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| 00:08.42 | Kobaz | having an issue with pulseaudio, analog outputs are not being detected |
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| 00:23.27 | Kobaz | pactl load-module module-detect |
| 00:23.29 | Kobaz | that fixed it |
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| 00:43.25 | Bushmaster | hello, I am having problem with apache installation, help will be appreciated |
| 00:44.24 | Kobaz | apt-get install apache2 ? |
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| 00:55.46 | _Ev | Can I run any command via a networking post-up rule? for example ... eth0 post-up iptables --flush ? |
| 00:56.14 | _Ev | # /etc/network/interface |
| 00:56.35 | tds | sure |
| 00:56.44 | Kobaz | sure you can, but, shouldn't you fix your bootup firewall rules? |
| 00:56.52 | Kobaz | why do you need to flush them |
| 00:56.53 | tds | but yeah, that ^^ |
| 00:57.13 | Kobaz | that's like all those "linux tutorials" where step 1 is disable selinux |
| 00:57.26 | Kobaz | just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean you need to turn it off |
| 00:58.12 | _Ev | Mostly curious. libvirt is auto generating iptables rules and well, I don't use iptables. I have the proper rules in nftables. Someone had mentioned to use qemu-img or something as opposed to libvirt to mitigate this, but I have yet to investigate that. |
| 00:58.14 | whislock | *coughipv6cough* |
| 00:58.47 | _Ev | Wouldn't be a viable solution anyway, merely curious. |
| 01:01.10 | tds | do you use libvirt's default NAT network? |
| 01:01.19 | tds | if not you can just disable it, and it'll stop injecting iptables rules |
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| 01:01.28 | tds | (assuming you don't use its other network filter functionality) |
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| 01:07.05 | _Ev | tds: I destroyed it and setup another interface test/virbr1 and used NAT. I think (idk) that the NAT policy is creating the rule. When starting any interface it creates the iptables rules for me. |
| 01:07.34 | tds | if you set libvirt to do nat it'll add nat rules for you |
| 01:07.45 | tds | if you want to DIY it, just run a plain bridge and handle the routing + nat yourself |
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| 01:14.33 | _Ev | tds: To do this I I need to bridge my primary interface, correct? eno2 manual br0 yada-yada? No problem. |
| 01:14.40 | _Ev | I'll give that a shot, thank you. |
| 01:14.55 | tds | _Ev: no |
| 01:15.33 | tds | _Ev: if you want to create what's effectively a libvirt nat network but managing the rules yourself, bring up a bridge with no slaves, put an IP on it on the host, enable forwarding, and add nat rules as needed |
| 01:15.37 | tds | then just set libvirt to attach VMs to that bridge |
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| 01:57.24 | kremator | folks, which is the comand to raise the whiskermmenu-plugin? |
| 01:58.08 | kremator | nvm, i found it xfce4-popup-whiskermenu |
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| 02:01.18 | _Ev | tds: My apologies for this delay, To clarify, should I be creating a bridge under /etc/networking/interfaces or via libvirt xml? |
| 02:04.08 | jonesmonster13 | the / root directory is full on my system. What is an effective way to partiiton some space onto the root from another directory? |
| 02:05.20 | sponix | jonesmonster13: boot from live media, use gparted -- after backing up anything important |
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| 02:06.23 | NeoIT | if /var is not in a seperate partition you could free some space by moving /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to another space |
| 02:07.23 | themill | running apt-get clean and checking you don't have old linux-image-* packages installed tends to be the best start |
| 02:07.54 | NeoIT | yeah |
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| 02:11.54 | nvz | has anyone noticed chromium asking to open xdg-open lately? seems like since 10.2 release its always making me click "open xdg-open" now rather than just doing it and there is not any sort of checkbox or anything to tell it to just always do it |
| 02:13.19 | jonesmonster13 | @sponiz |
| 02:13.32 | nvz | @.@ |
| 02:13.33 | jonesmonster13 | @sponix so I can just boot from the debian iso on a usb? |
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| 02:13.55 | sponix | jonesmonster13: to resize partitions - Yes |
| 02:14.48 | jonesmonster13 | sponix so i am basically reformatting the entire harddrive |
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| 02:16.20 | sponix | jonesmonster13: nope, you are resizing partitions. If it goes well, all your data will be fine. You just backup in case it goes sideways |
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| 02:16.51 | jonesmonster13 | ok thanks |
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| 02:24.26 | tds | _Ev: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 03:03.39 | _Ev | tds: I'm trying to do just what you said. Create an interface which doesn't automatically create iptables rules. I don't use iptables. I cannot purge iptables because libvirt relies on it. I would like to prevent the interface (when booting up) from setting up iptables rules. |
| 03:04.28 | _Ev | I wish to create a debian 10 VM, pass in a dedicated IPv4 address. I want to create an interface (guess not the default) and have it work without auto-creating iptables rules. |
| 03:05.09 | tds | what do you mean by "pass in a dedicated IPv4 address"? |
| 03:06.49 | _Ev | tds: login to vm and set a static address. a dedicated ipv4 for my subnet. |
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| 03:07.25 | _Ev | I just need to avoid having to type iptables --flush everytime I start an interface |
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| 03:09.19 | _Ev | If iptables and nftables can coexist in this way I am, somewhat, comfortable ignoring it and allowing them to coexist. I just feel uneasy about it. |
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| 03:11.36 | tds | i'm not particularly familiar with libvirt's network management, but you should be fine to bring up a bridge with the right address etc on boot with ifupdown, just put it in /etc/network/interfaces and set bridge ports to none |
| 03:14.26 | _Ev | tds: I've never set a bridge to none before. Just create a new interface, like so?: https://bpaste.net/show/XFEO4 |
| 03:14.37 | _Ev | Seems wrong to me, but I really am unsure. |
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| 03:15.10 | tds | that's how you'd make a bridge with no member interfaces |
| 03:15.16 | tds | but that addressing config doesn't look right |
| 03:15.37 | tds | is the host meant to have a default route via the guest or something? |
| 03:16.14 | tds | you're also missing any subnet entirely, so that'll get you a /32 on-link |
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| 03:21.04 | Kremator | folks, how can i check if i have all the drivers available for my machine under debian 10? |
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| 03:26.05 | _Ev | tds: Yeah, I am certainly confused on the matter. I'll see if nftables and iptables collide and I die of shame. |
| 03:26.26 | tds | _Ev: what are you _actually_ trying to do? |
| 03:28.55 | _Ev | 100% the following. I have a dedicated server, it comes with 123.123.123.130/29. "5 usable ip address". I want to create 5 VMs, each with a dedicated IP address from the /29 subnet. It would also be nice to not have to issue "iptables --flush" every time I bring the (libvirt's) bridge interface up; because I take are of the masquerading and forwarding via nftables. |
| 03:29.00 | _Ev | tds: ^ |
| 03:29.25 | tds | how is that /29 presented to you? |
| 03:29.38 | tds | routed directly to the host, or on-link on its uplink? |
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| 03:36.02 | _Ev | tds: I haven't linked it yet. Was advised that I won't need to, just pass it right into the VM. It must be linked all ready. $ ip r 123.123.123.128/29 dev eno2 proto kernel scope link src 123.123.123.130 |
| 03:36.39 | _Ev | post-up ip rule add from 123.123.123.130/29 table 128 post-up ip rule add table 128 to 2123.123.123.130/29 dev eno2 .. |
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| 03:38.37 | _Ev | On the host, I can do ip add 123.123.123.131 dev eno2 label eno2:1 and then I can ping 123.123.123.131 from the outside |
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| 03:39.34 | tds | this seems like a lot of complicated config for what should be quite simple |
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| 03:39.58 | _Ev | Those are defaults, from the datacenter |
| 03:40.04 | tds | if the /29 is just on-link, you can just add your ethernet interface as a bridge member, move the host's IP to that interface, and give the VM an interface attached to the bridge as well |
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| 03:47.32 | _Ev | tds: Shoot, those actually aren't the defaults. ahh, I am too tired and really want to achieve this before considering sleep. |
| 03:47.40 | _Ev | tds: Must I configure a bridge likeso: https://bpaste.net/show/K4WIW |
| 03:48.19 | _Ev | "you can just add your ethernet interface as a bridge member". I don't follow this statement, I'm not understanding. I'll google it. |
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| 03:49.44 | tds | that config looks far more sensible, and is approximately what I was describing |
| 03:50.04 | tds | though you'd want to make eno2 inet manual, and move the IP etc to vmbr0 |
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| 03:59.23 | _Ev | tds: Something like this perhaps?: https://bpaste.net/show/KFLFA |
| 04:00.24 | tds | you can drop the netmask line, but looks sensible enough to me |
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| 04:00.45 | _Ev | What exactly is this doing? Allowing the entire /29 subnet to be accessible from the gateway? This part I don't get. I have looked at this for a few days not and am not fully understanding why many KVM guide talk about bridging. the bridge lets all the ips share the hardware port and gateway? |
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| 04:08.10 | Kremator | folks, im trying to upgrade to debian testing |
| 04:08.44 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 04:08.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:08.48 | Kremator | but the update repositories doesnt exist (error 404) what should i do? comment the responsible lines in sources.list |
| 04:09.06 | Kremator | *sighs* |
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| 04:19.43 | Kremator | hello folks, i have problem none of the GTK themes i download form internet seems to wrok completelly right, and i ahve downloade a few very popularones |
| 04:20.01 | Kremator | i already installed murrine and nodoka, but i still dont get whats happening |
| 04:20.18 | Kremator | in fact, the only theme that seems to work are a few basic ones that came with deb10 and adwait |
| 04:20.25 | Kremator | adwaita-dark* |
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| 04:30.58 | ryouma | does adwaita-dark come with debian? is it a dark bg? |
| 04:32.57 | nvz | ryouma: I may have something that would be of interest to you |
| 04:34.31 | ryouma | nvz yes? |
| 04:34.50 | nvz | ryouma: http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/themes.tar.bz2 and if you want a crapload of pointers is mostly whats in this one http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/icons.tar.bz2 |
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| 04:35.12 | nvz | ryouma: I'd made tarballs of my themes and icons from my homedir a while back for someone.. I have a lot of various dark themes |
| 04:35.33 | nvz | I use MATE but I imagine they'd work with most any GTK based system |
| 04:36.02 | nvz | thats just ~/.themes and ~/.icons |
| 04:38.02 | ryouma | i just use fluxbox. but i want the mouse pointer to not bleed through white and for firefox and qbittorrent and so on to have a dark bg, and high contrast, and not have illegible combinations like blue on black. |
| 04:38.22 | ryouma | no clue if .themes and .icons are relevant to that |
| 04:38.22 | nvz | ryouma: https://imgur.com/a/miexFOf |
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| 04:38.57 | nvz | yeah I haven't used fluxbox in a long time and not sure how its themes work exactly |
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| 04:39.47 | ryouma | well i don't need a fluxbox theme. i just need the mouse pointer and apps to behave. i have already set the taskbar to be black on ergonomic dull yellow. |
| 04:41.32 | nvz | ryouma: I have no idea what you mean by "mouse pointer to not bleed through white" or "i just need the mouse pointer and apps to behave" |
| 04:41.47 | nvz | but the dark apps are done by a theme.. |
| 04:41.59 | nvz | https://www.box-look.org/browse/cat/139/ |
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| 04:43.36 | nvz | though firefox and qbittorrent use two different kinds of UI toolkits |
| 04:43.44 | nvz | and apparently fluxbox has its own thing |
| 04:43.56 | nvz | ,depends firefox-esr |
| 04:43.57 | judd | Package firefox-esr in buster/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.28), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libevent-2.1-6 (>= 2.1.8-stable), libffi6 (>= 3.0.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), |
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| 04:44.05 | nvz | ,depends qbittorrent |
| 04:44.06 | judd | Package qbittorrent in buster/amd64 -- depends: libboost-system1.67.0, libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.2.0), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.8.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.9.0~beta), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.11.0~rc1), libqt5xml5 (>= 5.2.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtorrent-rasterbar9 (>= 1.1.11), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), python (>= 2.5), geoip-database. |
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| 04:45.09 | coruja | for modifying look of gtk apps and theme settings, you may want to take a look at lxappearance |
| 04:45.51 | nvz | yeah will probably need to install some helpers unless you wanna get down and dirty with modifying configs for various GUI toolkits |
| 04:46.30 | nvz | this is why a DE is nice for people who want that sort of stuff.. they not only have GUIs for setting these things but typically have a suite of apps all using the same toolkit |
| 04:47.02 | nvz | you mentioned a QT app and idk wth firefox is but seems to have a custom semi-gtk interface |
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| 04:47.17 | nvz | built a little more baremetal on top of X |
| 04:48.18 | nvz | from what I've heard it is possible now to get consistant theming across them.. but I never fooled with it and I think it requires a matching theme for both or use of some kinda wrapper |
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| 04:50.24 | ryouma | i guess i will try lxappearance again. it changes my symlinks but i can fix that back again. i am tempted by the theme thing in de's but fluxbox is the only thing that does the tings i need and de's are too heavyweight for me atm. |
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| 07:58.09 | Haohmaru | is there some easy-ish way to see what's the difference between my currently installed version of a package, and a new version that is available in teh synaptic? |
| 07:58.15 | Haohmaru | i mean, in backports |
| 07:59.15 | Haohmaru | the package is a sort of data package with files (3D models and such) for a program, so the new version is expected to perhaps contain moar filez, so a mere list of the files would be useful |
| 07:59.35 | Regor | wifi not connecting it shows connecting i just installed buster xfce ... |
| 07:59.37 | jm_ | you can get that with apt-file or on p.d.o |
| 07:59.46 | jm_ | Haohmaru: ^^^^^ |
| 07:59.57 | Haohmaru | pdo? |
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| 08:00.12 | jm_ | https://packages.debiab.org/ |
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| 08:00.19 | jm_ | without typos ... |
| 08:00.34 | Regor | please help |
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| 08:02.20 | jm_ | for wifi start by checking you have necessary firmware files installed, start with https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 08:03.43 | Haohmaru | jm_ but is there a way like.. to get a list of the new files in the package? |
| 08:03.49 | Haohmaru | between the versions |
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| 08:04.51 | jm_ | Haohmaru: no, my best advice would be to use apt-file to get file list for both and pass that to diff |
| 08:05.05 | Haohmaru | hm |
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| 08:08.57 | Regor | jm_ all perfectly installed and visible ...it connected while installation... but after fresh boot it doesn't connect... |
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| 08:10.15 | jm_ | Regor: in that case wait for someone who is familiar with wifi fo help you, I am not |
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| 08:11.22 | Regor | ok |
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| 08:16.12 | tmiland | Howdy, made some deb packages for IceCat: https://github.com/tmiland/GNU-IceCat if anyone is interested. ð |
| 08:17.01 | Haohmaru | jm_ how do i tell apt-file which source to list? like stable/backports.. |
| 08:18.18 | Haohmaru | i'm trying to with apt-file --filter-origins <backports/stable/buster-backports> show <package> but nope |
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| 08:21.03 | jm_ | Haohmaru: --filter-suites buster-backports |
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| 08:21.40 | Haohmaru | o_O |
| 08:21.43 | jm_ | origin would be "Debian Backports" or "Debian" |
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| 08:22.02 | Haohmaru | okay |
| 08:22.14 | Haohmaru | now to figure out how to toss two of these to "diff" |
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| 08:22.48 | jm_ | <(cmd1) <(cmd2) or so |
| 08:23.59 | Haohmaru | i want to be certain with commands i enter as root ;] |
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| 08:27.24 | jm_ | you don't need to use apt-file as root |
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| 08:34.00 | Haohmaru | i tried but it didn't want to work |
| 08:35.49 | jm_ | apt-file update needs to be run as root, show/search can be then run as non-root |
| 08:36.10 | Haohmaru | ah, crap |
| 08:36.40 | Haohmaru | --filter-suites won't work, because my current version is from backports too, just there is a newer version available now |
| 08:36.52 | Haohmaru | bluh |
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| 08:37.15 | RoyK | ,v Package virt-manager |
| 08:37.16 | judd | No package named 'Package' was found in amd64. |
| 08:37.21 | RoyK | ,v virt-manager |
| 08:37.22 | judd | Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; stretch: 1:1.4.0-5; bullseye: 1:2.0.0-3; buster: 1:2.0.0-3; sid: 1:2.2.1-3 |
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| 08:38.30 | jm_ | apt-file does not care what you have installed, not sure why you think so |
| 08:38.53 | jm_ | ahh I see what you're trying to do |
| 08:39.00 | Haohmaru | i want to see the difference between two versions of the package, both of them are from backports |
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| 08:39.18 | Haohmaru | while the version in stable is muchos older |
| 08:39.25 | Haohmaru | and i have already forgotten about it |
| 08:39.54 | jm_ | yeah got it |
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| 08:41.51 | Haohmaru | i do get a list of the currently installed files of a package in synaptic tho |
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| 08:42.06 | jm_ | that's just dpkg -L |
| 08:42.07 | Haohmaru | not sure if i can just ctrl+a copy it from there |
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| 08:44.05 | Haohmaru | yeah, but the output from apt-file contains the package name in the beginning of every line.. meh |
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| 08:46.35 | jm_ | | cut -d' ' -f 2- |
| 08:47.25 | Haohmaru | this gets too crazy i don't know how to glue it together |
| 08:47.40 | jm_ | stick that to your apt-file command in () |
| 08:47.51 | jelly | you're allowed use temporary files for partial outputs |
| 08:47.55 | Haohmaru | apt-file blahblah > 1.txt is what i did |
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| 08:48.05 | jm_ | or yeah, just use temp files |
| 08:48.14 | Haohmaru | i did, i made a whole temp folder |
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| 08:49.11 | jelly | then use sed or cut or awk or whatever to only get the file paths |
| 08:49.24 | jelly | the sort and uniq each output |
| 08:49.31 | jelly | then compare them |
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| 08:50.27 | jelly | at your disposal are dozens of tools for text manipulation, each doing a tiny part |
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| 08:52.01 | Haohmaru | jelly i know fairly well about teh hidden powah of linux commandline dark magic |
| 08:52.20 | Haohmaru | but i don't know even a fraction of the sh*t you know ;P~ |
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| 08:53.02 | Haohmaru | but i think imma cheat |
| 08:53.16 | Haohmaru | dpkg -L is simple enough |
| 08:53.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching is simple enough |
| 08:53.28 | Haohmaru | pets dpkg |
| 08:53.30 | Haohmaru | down boi |
| 08:54.05 | ratrace | dpkg is really annoying, triggering without ! |
| 08:54.05 | dpkg | ratrace: are you using Windows? |
| 08:54.10 | ratrace | dpkg: NO U |
| 08:54.10 | dpkg | ratrace: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 08:54.16 | Haohmaru | imma just list teh current files, save em, then upgrade (since i will anywayz) the package, and then list them again |
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| 09:07.43 | ozfalcon | will installing memtest86 or memtest86+ add the memtest to the bootloader? |
| 09:08.00 | Habbie | ozfalcon, i believe so! |
| 09:08.05 | Habbie | ozfalcon, try it and see? |
| 09:08.29 | ozfalcon | Which is preferable the original or the + fork? |
| 09:08.31 | Haohmaru | ozfalcon yes |
| 09:08.41 | Haohmaru | it regenerates the grub stuff |
| 09:09.00 | Haohmaru | i have only used the memtest86+ one |
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| 09:12.54 | ozfalcon | thanks |
| 09:13.40 | Haohmaru | because something with a plus must be better |
| 09:14.00 | Haohmaru | C++ is twice moar bett0r than C |
| 09:14.02 | Haohmaru | runs |
| 09:14.43 | Habbie | it's way more than twice :D |
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| 09:18.03 | Haohmaru | we need dpkgplus |
| 09:19.26 | Haohmaru | hm why do i have -pae .. wasn't that for 32bit stuff? |
| 09:20.09 | jelly | Haohmaru: what does "i have -pae" mean, specifically |
| 09:20.48 | Haohmaru | something something that looks like the kernel ending with -pae |
| 09:21.46 | jelly | ah yes. something something. |
| 09:21.51 | Haohmaru | >:) |
| 09:21.55 | jelly | goes to do something else |
| 09:22.04 | Haohmaru | imma see it when synaptic finishes installing |
| 09:22.35 | Haohmaru | i see ..686-pae |
| 09:23.00 | Haohmaru | this looks 32bit-ish to me.. why did i have the impression that this debian here woz 64bit |
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| 09:26.14 | RoyK | Haohmaru: what sort of machine? |
| 09:26.34 | RoyK | lscpu should show some stuff |
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| 09:31.50 | Haohmaru | old one |
| 09:32.22 | Haohmaru | intel core2 |
| 09:32.28 | jelly | those are all 64bit |
| 09:32.35 | Haohmaru | it says i686 |
| 09:32.41 | jelly | what does? |
| 09:32.53 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:32.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:33.52 | Haohmaru | lscpu says i686.. doesn't matter.. my memories must've entangled.. i thought it's a 64bit installation here too |
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| 09:48.21 | at0m | Haohmaru: just because the core2duo is a 64bit CPU, doesn't mean the installation can't be 32bit |
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| 09:48.48 | Regor | jm_ i solved wifi issue after reading debian official docs |
| 09:48.52 | Haohmaru | i know, i just had the impression that the installation was 64bit |
| 09:49.06 | jm_ | Regor: cool |
| 09:49.52 | at0m | Haohmaru: doesn't matter much afaik, long as RAM doesn't exceed 4GB (or does PAE extend that? i forgot) |
| 09:50.28 | Haohmaru | i got 2GB RAM on that thing |
| 09:50.42 | Haohmaru | and afaik, the pae thing allows for moar than 4GB |
| 09:50.52 | ratrace | total RAM can be above 4GB with PAE, but not for individual processes which are bound to 32-bit address space |
| 09:50.57 | Haohmaru | each process can't have more than 4GB, but the whole system can |
| 09:51.04 | at0m | !686-pae |
| 09:51.04 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-<bigmem> flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 09:51.30 | Haohmaru | basically pae is gud, if you're stuck with 32bit |
| 09:51.44 | qman__ | there's a performance hit for PAE, though |
| 09:51.48 | at0m | ^ |
| 09:51.50 | Haohmaru | oh? |
| 09:52.04 | jm_ | i remember the pain to use browser java plugin with bigmem enabled kernel ... |
| 09:52.19 | Haohmaru | so then it's not so gud? |
| 09:52.23 | at0m | !nopae |
| 09:52.23 | dpkg | The following x86-32 processors do not support <PAE>: all 400 MHz-bus versions of the Intel Pentium M and Celeron M (i.e. all "Banias" and pre-Sonoma "Dothan"), VIA C3 "Nehemiah" and AMD Geode LX. egrep -q -e '^flags.*pae' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'You have PAE!' |
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| 09:52.39 | at0m | sorry, meant to /msg dpkg nopae |
| 09:52.41 | qman__ | if you can run 64-bit, you should |
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| 09:52.47 | Haohmaru | i know |
| 09:52.57 | Haohmaru | that's why i'm surprised that it's 32bit here |
| 09:53.01 | at0m | but does switching warrant a reinstall eh |
| 09:53.03 | ratrace | btw, nobody should be using 32-bit linux though. migrate to 64-bit ASAP. https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2019/q4/98 |
| 09:53.13 | ratrace | (the kernel I mean) |
| 09:53.26 | at0m | ratrace: then there's ARM like raspbian which is 32bit |
| 09:53.49 | ratrace | alright, lemme correct myself. x86_32 |
| 09:54.27 | Haohmaru | but maybe i remember what happened.. i think when the hard disk recently went dying, i was trying to save it, and then i think i just managed to move the /home/ stuff as well as some other things like packages and configuration to a new hdd, and installed debian on top of it or something |
| 09:54.40 | Haohmaru | maybe i've flashed the wrong netinst on the usb stick? |
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| 09:56.08 | at0m | Haohmaru: it's a new install with not much config changes and db's? then ok, maybe get 64bit and distupgrade forever =) |
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| 09:56.34 | Haohmaru | no, it's an old install, i use it for CADing and EDAing and such |
| 09:56.59 | Haohmaru | librecad, kicad, freecad |
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| 09:57.58 | Haohmaru | it has much customizations like fonts, theme, LXDE with some xfce modules, etc.. |
| 09:58.23 | Haohmaru | and some fancy file "associations", which i don't want to redo |
| 09:58.45 | at0m | those GUI things would be in home, and migratd with it |
| 09:59.43 | Haohmaru | i'm sure stuff like my mouse settings and some stuff about the monitor aren't in /home/ |
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| 09:59.55 | Haohmaru | and fonts |
| 10:00.06 | Haohmaru | i want muh bitmap fonts |
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| 10:00.31 | at0m | anything that's user, (not root-)configured is in home. ok and some /var/lib maybe |
| 10:01.20 | Haohmaru | uhm, well, i configure mouse/fonts/display as root |
| 10:01.36 | Haohmaru | <le_shrug.jpg> |
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| 10:24.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi guys |
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| 10:24.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i wanted to blacklist some packges from a repo.. |
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| 10:24.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did the package blacklist for my unattened upgrades, but when i do a apt upgrade. it still tries to pull them |
| 10:24.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i have to put on hold as well?? |
| 10:25.07 | RoyK | what sort of repo is this? |
| 10:25.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | apt repo |
| 10:25.14 | apt | The webos-internals source code repositories are hosted at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals and http://gitorious.org/webos-applications |
| 10:25.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | for elasticsearch |
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| 10:27.06 | RoyK | interesting - I just cloned up a vm to start testing elasticsearch myself⦠|
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| 10:27.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | they upgrade fast and since i had it on unattended upgrades, it mismatched the versions for kibana and elasticsearch and logstash |
| 10:27.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | if you like being a data scientist its fine.. |
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| 10:30.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | so yeah i guess i got to hold on the apt and aptitude |
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| 10:32.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | did i mention how much i hate we now have three tools two of which don't honor each others settings? |
| 10:32.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | apt-get /= apt aptitude |
| 10:32.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | can we get rid of apt-get? |
| 10:32.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | or should i just alias it away in my bash shell |
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| 11:00.05 | bhasker | all: How can I force linux kernel to use MBR table on a hybrid partition table. I dont want the kernel to probe for GPT but just use only the dos hybrid table |
| 11:00.11 | bhasker | is there a way ? |
| 11:01.09 | oxek | How can I report a bug in debian if I don't have debian installed (and hence no reportbug package)? |
| 11:02.41 | oxek | bhasker: you might have more luck in ##linux |
| 11:04.39 | jm_ | bhasker: not sure, maybe efi=off or noefi as kernel parameter |
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| 11:05.11 | jm_ | oxek: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 11:05.40 | oxek | jm_: you can have GPT on a BIOS system, so I'd think efi=off will not do anything here |
| 11:06.37 | jm_ | oxek: hence why I said not sure, kernel-parameters.txt only says EFI EFI Partitioning (GPT) is enabled |
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| 11:08.49 | oxek | jm_: I think we're looking at different kernel-parameters.txt, https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt says something else about efi= |
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| 11:11.50 | jm_ | oxek: yes, https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html |
| 11:12.09 | jm_ | but as I now see, efi=off will probably not fly |
| 11:13.52 | oxek | jm_: even on https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html I cannot see the existence of efi=off, do you perhaps mean edd=off (which is one line above efi=)? |
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| 11:14.20 | oxek | I don't think the efi= takes the value of 'off' |
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| 11:14.31 | jm_ | oxek: no, just ignore it, I said above I realized my mistake |
| 11:14.41 | oxek | ah ok, no problem |
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| 11:15.09 | jm_ | I naively thought after seeing ACPI there and knowing acpi=off thing it would work for EFI ... |
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| 11:21.10 | hatter_ | I am trying to install Virtualbox on Debian 9, however when I run this : /sbin/vboxconfig : I get this : This system is currently not set up to build kernel modules. |
| 11:21.10 | hatter_ | Please install the Linux kernel "header" files matching the current kernel |
| 11:21.10 | hatter_ | for adding new hardware support to the system. |
| 11:21.22 | hatter_ | however I have the headers installed |
| 11:21.43 | jm_ | why /sbin/vboxconfig though? |
| 11:21.58 | colo-work | sounds like a frankendebian in the making |
| 11:22.02 | hatter_ | jm_ ...oohh, I was just following the instruction |
| 11:22.07 | colo-work | whose? |
| 11:22.27 | jm_ | hatter_: you shouldn't need to run that to use vbox in debian |
| 11:22.27 | hatter_ | I don't want a frankendebian |
| 11:23.07 | jm_ | install virtualbox virtualbox-dkms from backports |
| 11:23.29 | hatter_ | I followed this instruction : echo "deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list |
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| 11:23.53 | hatter_ | perhaps I should remove this and try it from backports |
| 11:24.02 | jm_ | unless you really really want their debs I'd advise to try with debian packages first |
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| 11:24.12 | hatter_ | jm_, yes indeedy |
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| 11:24.18 | hatter_ | jm_ thx I will do that |
| 11:24.25 | oxek | hatter_: virtualbox is not really supported on debian, can you use qemu instead perhaps? |
| 11:24.30 | jm_ | hatter_: dkms will pull in kernel headers |
| 11:24.57 | hatter_ | is virtualbox not supported anymore ? It was for the last 3 versions |
| 11:24.58 | jm_ | yeah in long run better move to qemu/kvm/whatever |
| 11:25.11 | jm_ | hatter_: there are complications with it |
| 11:25.14 | hatter_ | ah, I could switch to KVM |
| 11:25.25 | hatter_ | sounds good to me, is KVM part of debian now ? |
| 11:25.54 | jm_ | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 11:25.59 | colo-work | qemu/kvm has been available in Debian for ages :) |
| 11:26.05 | oxek | hatter_: https://bugs.debian.org/794466 has all the reasoning for why virtualbox is no longer supported on debian |
| 11:26.06 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-09-28. |
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| 11:26.31 | hatter_ | ok great, I am happy to switch to kvm, for some reason I thought it wasn't part of debian |
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| 11:26.49 | hatter_ | jm_, colo-work, judd thx |
| 11:26.54 | jm_ | I converted my vbox VM to KVM for buster |
| 11:26.57 | hatter_ | oxek also |
| 11:28.15 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 12:54.39 | Jmabsd | hi, my 4K monitor will show the console with a just incredibly small font - the answer should be that i need to force the console display resolution in Grub, isn't it? |
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| 13:02.33 | unborn | kvm is great, not even need it to convert.. just use it and abuse it :) |
| 13:02.53 | unborn | oh hes offline already.. sorry. |
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| 13:10.16 | dgp | I know *has anyone* questions aren't great. But has anyone ran debian on a machine with 64MB of memory recently? I'm trying to work out if it's worth even trying |
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| 13:12.55 | tarzeau | dgp: what computer is that? cpu? |
| 13:13.17 | dgp | tarzeau: it's a dashcam. ARM Cortex A7 with 64MB of DDR2 |
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| 13:14.29 | tarzeau | dgp: just try it? but i doubt it'll be fun |
| 13:14.43 | tarzeau | where would you install it to? got some storage space? sd card? |
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| 13:16.26 | dgp | Well I have just a buildroot system running at the moment and that consumes 14MB of ram so I thought I'd ask before I go through all the debootstrap stuff. I have SD and USB storage but this thing is hot glued to a piece of cardboard so they aren't easy to keep changing out |
| 13:17.06 | tarzeau | forget it, it's not fun. but if you can't resist see if the installation works without swap |
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| 13:18.31 | dgp | first debian on a dashcam will wait until I find the 128MB version of this thing then ;) |
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| 13:19.40 | tarzeau | even then it'll not be fun since sd and usb are slow. i guess it's not usb-3? |
| 13:19.59 | tarzeau | similar to a raspberry pi? |
| 13:20.15 | dvs | dgp, no dice: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm64/ch02s05.en.html |
| 13:20.30 | dgp | tarzeau: it's some very funky usb2 |
| 13:20.45 | dgp | dvs: mm surely ARM64 is bigger than ARMHF |
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| 13:21.33 | tarzeau | dvs: he could be lucky with zram and some swap for installing it, but what would you run on that thing? |
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| 13:22.21 | dvs | dgp, is that similar to armel? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armel/ch02s05.en.html |
| 13:22.55 | dgp | tarzeau: once I get the framebuffer going it'll be running some doom |
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| 13:58.36 | jezebel | hello |
| 13:58.56 | jezebel | anybody ever added a HP printer queue to debian before using hplip? |
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| 13:59.06 | jezebel | do i need to do this as root? |
| 13:59.12 | jezebel | (this is a network printer) |
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| 14:12.05 | mmlj4 | I need (for testing, don't have a hernia) telnet, but can't get it to listen on IPv4. I have: |
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| 14:12.14 | mmlj4 | root@debian10:~# cat /etc/inetd.conf |
| 14:12.14 | mmlj4 | telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd |
| 14:12.49 | mmlj4 | but the -4 flag I saw on a forum didn't help, it' still on ::23 |
| 14:13.10 | sponix | telnet is still a thing ? |
| 14:13.26 | mmlj4 | not a good thing, but still a thing |
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| 14:45.31 | whislock | mmlj4: Sockets listening on :: are listening on ipv4 and ipv6. |
| 14:45.50 | mmlj4 | are they? didn't know |
| 14:46.01 | whislock | Yup. Most things are dual-stack these days. |
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| 14:46.29 | whislock | mmlj4: How are you looking at listening ports, btw? |
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| 14:47.47 | abrotman | uses an otoscope |
| 14:47.56 | whislock | That's dedication. |
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| 14:49.08 | mmlj4 | whislock: with nmap |
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| 14:49.22 | whislock | mmlj4: On the actual server. |
| 14:49.47 | mmlj4 | I didn't look, that's the problem, I assumed ::x meant IPv6 |
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| 14:50.00 | mmlj4 | whislock: netstat, of course |
| 14:50.11 | whislock | mmlj4: netstat was deprecated over 10 years ago. Stop using it. |
| 14:50.17 | whislock | mmlj4: 'ss -lt' |
| 14:50.35 | mmlj4 | netstat works fine on slackware and *bsd |
| 14:50.39 | mmlj4 | but I didn't know about ss |
| 14:50.53 | whislock | Don't care. Again: netstat was deprecated over a decade ago. *stop using it* |
| 14:51.03 | whislock | And BSD netstat is not the same as GNU netstat. That doesn't apply to BSD. |
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| 14:51.22 | whislock | iproute2 commands are what should be used. ip, ss, etc. |
| 14:52.05 | whislock | mmlj4: And that's not "deprecated on Debian." That's "deprecated on Linux systems, period." |
| 14:52.15 | mmlj4 | I knew there was a reason I didn't like GNU/Debian |
| 14:52.24 | mmlj4 | but thanks for the beat-down |
| 14:52.56 | whislock | It's not meant to be a beatdown. netstat and the other net-tools commands handle ipv6 poorly. |
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| 14:53.20 | whislock | Given that ipv6 is a central question in this case, it's sound advice. |
| 14:54.23 | mmlj4 | I don't care about IPv6, read the scroll, I asked about IPv4 |
| 14:55.02 | colo-work | iproute2 is not part of GNU afaik ;) |
| 14:55.11 | whislock | Read your own question. The central concern was that you thought it was listening on ipv6 only. |
| 14:55.11 | mmlj4 | it ain't |
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| 14:55.27 | colo-work | but yeah, using `ss` over `netstat` is sound advice. |
| 14:55.44 | whislock | mmlj4: So before you tell someone to read the scroll, understand your own issue and don't act like a sensitive child. |
| 14:56.31 | mmlj4 | colo-work: not bad advice. I don't think I'd heard of ss before, actually |
| 14:57.58 | mmlj4 | my own issue is I don't give a rat's read end about IPv6, I need to test for the existence of plaintext listeners (telnet, ftp, etc.) on a LAN that doesn't have IPv6 |
| 14:58.29 | mmlj4 | but of course you know my test scenario better than I do, whislock |
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| 15:03.43 | mmlj4 | so now I'm being harassed in pm |
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| 15:04.16 | jelly | mmlj4: who is harassing you? |
| 15:04.28 | mmlj4 | whislock is |
| 15:05.27 | mmlj4 | I just wanted to know how to make in.telnet listed on IPv4, I didn't ask to be harassed in the channel nor in pm |
| 15:05.49 | mmlj4 | I didn't need a lecture |
| 15:14.11 | greycat | First you sign away your firstborn child in a blood contract, then you install telnetd, then you modify the inetd.conf file using whatever sample is provided by the package. |
| 15:14.35 | greycat | Then we hunt you down and destroy you when it turns out you put this on an internet-connected machine, got pwned, and became part of a botnet. |
| 15:15.15 | whislock | greycat as "The Telminator." |
| 15:15.19 | greycat | I doubt very much that anyone here is going to hand-hold you beyond the instructions I just gave. If you can't figure out what to put in inetd.conf, then GOOD. We do not want your insecure system on the internet attacking us. |
| 15:15.25 | mmlj4 | greycat: I'm doing PCI/HIPAA testing |
| 15:15.35 | greycat | Then you FAILED. |
| 15:15.54 | mmlj4 | I don't think this channel is for me |
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| 15:16.04 | greycat | Whee! |
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| 15:16.36 | colo-work | now they want their money back |
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| 15:16.46 | colo-work | and greycat and whislock are in trouble! |
| 15:17.24 | galvanoport | greycat is problem child |
| 15:17.27 | whislock | The First Rule of Acquisition: Once you have their money, you never give it back. |
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| 15:18.58 | galvanoport | I don't like bug report system "reportbug" |
| 15:19.24 | jelly | whislock: best avoid PMing people unless you get a permission |
| 15:19.25 | Haohmaru | when my cat claws up something, she don't let it go |
| 15:19.48 | galvanoport | therefore I will not give any information fucking bugs on debian 10 |
| 15:19.54 | whislock | jelly: Spare me the lecture. I'll do what I please. |
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| 15:20.14 | Haohmaru | can i haz a lecture? |
| 15:20.25 | whislock | And in this instance, it was a simple comment about how I preferred BSD. Hardly something harmful. |
| 15:20.39 | whislock | If that's offensive, well... Can't please everyone. |
| 15:21.24 | whislock | galvanoport: I recall that you were in here complaining about this same thing yesterday. What is so trying about reportbug? It does most of the data collection for you. |
| 15:21.52 | Haohmaru | if you say something that's absolutely not offensive to anyone - someone might just get offended ;P~ |
| 15:22.07 | whislock | Haohmaru: No doubt. |
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| 15:26.23 | mason | "Stop shipping netstat if you don't want folks to use it. Until then, it works fine." |
| 15:26.41 | whislock | If only it were that simple. So many things still rely on net-tools. |
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| 15:26.57 | whislock | For interactive use, netstat/ifconfig/etc. should be discouraged as strenuously as possible. |
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| 15:27.51 | greycat | They broke all the things that depend on ifconfig/netstat by changing its output format, anyway. |
| 15:27.59 | mason | That's a religious objection, though, not technical. |
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| 15:28.16 | greycat | Well, at least ifconfig's output format. |
| 15:28.45 | whislock | mason: I'm not sure how you define "religious," but it doesn't apply to this reality. netstat was deprecated in 2008, and that statement was given back then. Use iproute2 commands. |
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| 15:29.00 | whislock | mason: The net-tools maintainers said as much. |
| 15:29.05 | mason | whislock: It's still shipped, and I'm guessing that's not accidental. |
| 15:29.16 | whislock | mason: It's not shipped by default. It only gets pulled in as a dependency. |
| 15:30.05 | jelly | whislock: net-tools have been maintained again since 2017-ish and are not going away however. |
| 15:30.33 | tekcap | Does anyone here offer remote services? I've been trying to get my Dell XPS laptop and Debian to work with Optimus technology for a week now. I just can't figure out how to connect an external hdmi monitor. I've tried every guide and forum post under the sun without luck. At this point I'm willing to pay someone to help me out and teach me what I'm doing wrong. |
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| 15:31.27 | mason | tekcap: optimus is a bit of a tarpit. Have you read https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus ? |
| 15:32.13 | greycat | whislock: I'd say it's more often pulled in by direct user request, but that's harder to measure |
| 15:32.16 | tekcap | mason: Don't remember that guide, maybe I missed it! I'll have a look, thank you |
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| 15:32.41 | whislock | greycat: That's entirely possible, likely because people still go "wait, where the hell is ifconfig?" |
| 15:32.50 | jelly | whislock: and I don't appreciate your tone. I'd rather keep you, a knowledgeable person, in #debian, than have to mute you because you can't be polite. You can keep helping people without quips like "Don't care." |
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| 15:36.55 | MikeDebian | Hey all. I've just tried to ask this on the kernel channels but got no replies for the past hour so I'll give it a try here. If multiple apps/forks/threads are listening on the same port, how does the kernel distribute the incoming tcp connections among the listeners? Is it on a random fashion, a sequence one, a mix? Anyone knows what's the criteria? |
| 15:37.22 | greycat | Only one process can be bound to an address/port combination at a time. |
| 15:37.37 | greycat | If you want multiple processes listening on, say, port 80... then each one has to be bound to a different address. |
| 15:38.30 | jelly | that's at least the "normal" way of tcp sockets on unix |
| 15:38.43 | jelly | linux has some subnormal extensions |
| 15:39.29 | jelly | https://lwn.net/Articles/542629/ |
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| 15:40.56 | MikeDebian | greycat, you can have multiple processes listening on the same address and port. Since kernel 3.9 SO_REUSEPORT was introduced allowing this. |
| 15:40.58 | jelly | MikeDebian: and the answer is "it depends" both on method and on kernel version because things like SO_REUSEPORT have also been buggy |
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| 15:41.48 | galvanoport | fucking "reportbug" |
| 15:42.13 | galvanoport | piece of shit bug system |
| 15:42.36 | MikeDebian | jelly, I suppose (honestly haven't been searching for such bugs) on current stable kernels such bugs have been overcome. Kernel 3.9 was way back in 2013... |
| 15:42.59 | jelly | MikeDebian: yeah I remember issues around 2017-18 or so |
| 15:43.33 | whislock | galvanoport: I asked previously what your issues with reportbug are, exactly. As I said, it gathers most of the necessary information for you. |
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| 15:44.58 | greycat | MikeDebian: if you need more info than what jelly's LWN article contains, you'd probably have to ask a kernel-hackers channel, or just read the source code yourself |
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| 15:46.32 | whislock | MikeDebian: What are you trying to achieve, exactly? |
| 15:46.35 | jelly | MikeDebian: eg. https://lwn.net/Articles/659199/ blah blah multi queue blah specific nic and driver |
| 15:46.44 | galvanoport | whislock, this program doesn't let me to send a bug via my gmail account. |
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| 15:47.00 | whislock | galvanoport: Sure you can. Copy and paste, or set up the correct email delivery mechanism on the host. |
| 15:47.32 | galvanoport | is this joke? |
| 15:47.39 | whislock | No, why would it be? |
| 15:47.49 | jelly | galvanoport: no, this is a supported method |
| 15:48.02 | jhutchins_wk | galvanoport: Write a better one. Things will only change if someone who cares does something. |
| 15:48.13 | whislock | Take the reportbug output, paste it into an email, hit send. Or set up an MTA on the host that relays via your gmail account. |
| 15:48.13 | jelly | reportbug can save a copy of the report in a file, then send that from gmail and paste in the body |
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| 15:50.24 | jelly | MikeDebian: that's not the one I remember, but can't find it right now |
| 15:51.13 | jelly | MikeDebian: basically there were issues that one thread got many or most the connections instead of them being spread better |
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| 15:58.34 | CrystalMath | hi, i have a question about the general resolution on init systems |
| 15:58.43 | CrystalMath | are those proposals in any particular order? |
| 16:01.32 | trek00 | CrystalMath: I think proposal F was put first because it's the most supported by now |
| 16:01.47 | jelly | CrystalMath: you mean why something is proposal A and something else is B? No |
| 16:01.48 | CrystalMath | that's bad news |
| 16:02.05 | trek00 | yes i'm sad |
| 16:02.06 | CrystalMath | jelly: no i mean why is proposal F first |
| 16:02.31 | CrystalMath | i will have to leave debian if working without systemd becomes impossible |
| 16:03.28 | jelly | CrystalMath: also no, probably time based |
| 16:03.47 | trek00 | CrystalMath: I really hope debian will continue to run without systemd |
| 16:04.23 | whislock | I can't believe this is still being whined about. |
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| 16:04.51 | greycat | I can. I've seen the depth of the paranoia, in many places. It's intense. |
| 16:05.15 | whislock | It's an init system, folks, not a skynet proposal. |
| 16:05.26 | CrystalMath | whislock: i am not afraid of it, i simply don't want to use it |
| 16:05.27 | trek00 | jelly: time based is the order A B C D E F :) |
| 16:05.31 | CrystalMath | i prefer my system to work more like BSD |
| 16:05.39 | whislock | Then go to BSD. |
| 16:05.42 | jelly | I prefer my system to work. |
| 16:05.43 | CrystalMath | but without the lack of drivers |
| 16:05.55 | CrystalMath | so i want a linux, and packages, but still BSD-like |
| 16:06.07 | CrystalMath | the best place for that is slackware |
| 16:06.12 | whislock | Then go to slackware. |
| 16:06.13 | CrystalMath | but debian has more packages |
| 16:06.24 | CrystalMath | so i'm using debian, until it becomes unsuitable |
| 16:06.25 | greycat | "because I adore having to type /usr/sbin/httpd -x -y -z by hand to restart the web server" |
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| 16:06.40 | whislock | CrystalMath: and somehow systemd magically makes it unsuitable. |
| 16:07.00 | CrystalMath | whislock: actually, even dbus does |
| 16:07.10 | CrystalMath | whislock: i don't want software to be able to get access without setuid |
| 16:07.14 | trek00 | CrystalMath: probably debian will lose its universal OS status, losing hurd, kfreebsd and other init systems |
| 16:07.16 | CrystalMath | i want a pure UNIX securitymodel |
| 16:07.25 | whislock | CrystalMath: Then don't use Linux. |
| 16:07.37 | CrystalMath | linux still supports the unix security model |
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| 16:07.51 | CrystalMath | a distro can make that work |
| 16:08.17 | mason | FWIW, there's discussion of vote timing here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2019/12/msg00051.html |
| 16:08.34 | whislock | CrystalMath: Then start your own distro. Stop trying to screw up a good thing for the rest of us because you have religious objections. |
| 16:08.34 | trek00 | CrystalMath: actually it works, but may be developers like more braking this support |
| 16:08.51 | trek00 | breaking |
| 16:08.57 | jelly | CrystalMath: people DOING the work can make it work. If you want a distro to support things you like, the best (and probably only) sane thing to do is volunteer to do the work and make it happen. |
| 16:09.00 | CrystalMath | whislock: it's not a religious objection, i prefer it |
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| 16:09.10 | CrystalMath | whislock: it's that simple |
| 16:09.16 | whislock | CrystalMath: It's a religious objection. systemd vs. else is the new emacs vs. vi. |
| 16:09.35 | jelly | CrystalMath: if by "a distro" you, or anyone else means "someone else", then tough luck |
| 16:09.37 | CrystalMath | whislock: i don't know about the others, but i prefer old stuff in general |
| 16:09.41 | whislock | It's a stupid waste of time that could be spent learning new tools and contributing to make them better. |
| 16:09.54 | trek00 | whislock: please be polite |
| 16:09.57 | CrystalMath | whislock: i prefer CVS and RCS |
| 16:10.03 | greycat | I prefer *plonk* |
| 16:10.08 | whislock | trek00: Believe me, this IS polite. |
| 16:10.10 | CrystalMath | whislock: etc... this spills over into all areas of life |
| 16:10.18 | greycat | whislock: don't engage them. |
| 16:10.21 | trek00 | whislock: avoid using words like stupid please |
| 16:10.28 | whislock | trek00: No. |
| 16:10.31 | mason | whislock: Consider that free software is an invitation to dive in and innovate. This is harmed by a tight-knit group controlling a codebase with ever-growing scope. |
| 16:10.40 | jelly | trek00: let ops moderate the tone please |
| 16:10.41 | greycat | Engaging them is not healthy for you. Some people are not fixable. |
| 16:11.03 | CrystalMath | jelly: well i'm just hoping that there's enough support within debian to support other init systems |
| 16:11.05 | whislock | It IS fucking stupid. If people like CrystalMath want to shove their head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that technology changes, go for it. Stop trying to ruin things for the rest of us. |
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| 16:11.27 | jelly | CrystalMath: again does "support" mean "you" or "someone else", it's that simple |
| 16:11.35 | whislock | greycat: Eh. Much as I hate that that's true, it's true. |
| 16:11.48 | CrystalMath | jelly: "enough support within debian" would have to be way more than just me |
| 16:11.55 | trek00 | CrystalMath: the support is here, but they like more breaking stuff |
| 16:12.00 | CrystalMath | jelly: it can't be that i'm alone in this |
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| 16:12.09 | mason | CrystalMath: I assume you've looked at Devuan...? If you want to dive in and support traditional, proven, working tools that don't see weekly CVEs, start there. |
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| 16:12.24 | jelly | CrystalMath: are you a DM or DD? |
| 16:12.42 | jelly | I'm not, and I won't be telling and DM or DD what to do. |
| 16:12.46 | jelly | any* |
| 16:12.48 | mason | CrystalMath: And remember that the whole point of Devuan is to hopefully become redundant because its changes are fed back upstream. :) |
| 16:13.19 | CrystalMath | jelly: no, i've refrained from becoming one because i'm worried that debian and i will go far in separate paths |
| 16:13.30 | CrystalMath | i maintain packages but for myself only |
| 16:13.35 | CrystalMath | i offered to maintain them for devuan |
| 16:13.41 | CrystalMath | but devuan only uses debian packages |
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| 16:14.04 | jelly | CrystalMath: in my head that sounds "I don't want to contribute to a project" |
| 16:14.23 | trek00 | CrystalMath: probably they are too young and they need to do some errors before to learn how to be more inclusive |
| 16:14.28 | mason | CrystalMath: They fork some as needed. If you have things that aren't packaged in Debian, by all means contribute them to Debian and Devuan will benefit. |
| 16:14.38 | CrystalMath | jelly: yeah, because i'm worried that most of you are hostile to my direction of progress, except i really don't know, there are no statistics on this |
| 16:14.44 | jelly | ALL the distros in general are becoming less relevant by day |
| 16:14.49 | CrystalMath | jelly: i'm glad that this general resolution is out |
| 16:15.05 | CrystalMath | jelly: because now i will know for sure, whether debian wants to drop people like me or not |
| 16:15.17 | whislock | Devuan's a joke. An entire fork based on religious wars. The next time I hear someone whinge about "the UNIX way," I'm going to point them to BSD, where the entire userland AND kernel are a single project. |
| 16:15.17 | CrystalMath | i'm really not accusing anyone i just want to know |
| 16:15.23 | trek00 | CrystalMath: we need to wait for that vote |
| 16:16.04 | CrystalMath | if debian drops systemd devuan will have to fork further |
| 16:16.06 | whislock | Anyway. Lunch calls. |
| 16:16.10 | whislock | & |
| 16:16.21 | CrystalMath | so i will immediately apply for the position of devuan maintainer |
| 16:16.32 | CrystalMath | and upload my packages |
| 16:16.39 | mason | CrystalMath: Don't wait. Get involved today. |
| 16:16.43 | CrystalMath | mason: i can't |
| 16:16.49 | CrystalMath | mason: devuan uses debian packages |
| 16:17.04 | CrystalMath | my packages are not in debian |
| 16:17.08 | trek00 | CrystalMath: I think I will continue to use debian with my own init scripts :) |
| 16:17.11 | jelly | CrystalMath: they use both their own and debian's |
| 16:17.14 | mason | CrystalMath: Contribute your packages to Debian then, as noted. |
| 16:17.46 | CrystalMath | mason: yeah and i'm worried that i'll be helping people who will not only not thank me but work to make sure i can't configure my computer the way i want |
| 16:17.59 | CrystalMath | note, i'm just worried, i don't know this |
| 16:18.11 | jelly | CrystalMath: go join one or the other right away, it's a better use of resources than lamenting in a support channel |
| 16:18.17 | mason | CrystalMath: So, 1) contribute your packages and earn a vote, or 2) let other people decide. 1) seems better. |
| 16:18.40 | CrystalMath | mason: not if everyone else is against me |
| 16:18.41 | trek00 | anyone knows when the vote will come in place? |
| 16:19.13 | jelly | CrystalMath: noone's against _you_ |
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| 16:19.52 | mason | trek00: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2019/12/msg00051.html notes vote timing. |
| 16:20.02 | jelly | CrystalMath: note that there is a non-zero number people in Debian behind each of the options |
| 16:20.27 | trek00 | mason: there is no date? |
| 16:21.18 | CrystalMath | mason: i mean okay i guess i can join debian, only to ragequit as soon as proposal F is selected |
| 16:21.59 | mason | trek00: The suggestion that it'll be extended a week because of holidays suggests that it'll be done a week or two into January. |
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| 16:22.20 | trek00 | mason: thank you :) |
| 16:22.36 | mason | CrystalMath: Yeah. Honestly, joining Debian would be the most useful step you could take. Getting involved with Devuan would be a reasonable second choice. |
| 16:23.00 | jelly | anything but redhat! |
| 16:23.08 | mason | CrystalMath: And - imagine this - you can actually do both at once, which might be the best option. |
| 16:23.12 | CrystalMath | mason: i would rather wait for debian to make a decision, then once devuan is forced to fully fork, i will maintain only devuan packages, thus giving devuan an advantage |
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| 16:23.23 | mason | jelly: Here now. Let's not get personal. :P |
| 16:23.46 | jelly | !start a distro war |
| 16:23.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 16:24.01 | trek00 | CrystalMath: I never used devuan because I can run debian without systemd, but may be I'll join too |
| 16:24.25 | CrystalMath | trek00: same here |
| 16:25.14 | SE7EN` | runs dpkg -i windows3.1.dmg |
| 16:26.11 | mason | trek00: A nice bit is an installer that doesn't leave you having to migrate, and libelogind0 in -stable, etc. |
| 16:26.55 | Haohmaru | jelly is it okay if i call it "crapbuntu" ? |
| 16:26.57 | trek00 | mason: i don't need elogind and i always debootstrap systems |
| 16:27.12 | CrystalMath | mason: if debian selects a proposal that is neither B nor F, i will join debian |
| 16:27.56 | mason | trek00: libelogind0 - remember that apt is growing a dependence on libsystemd0, for instance. |
| 16:28.01 | mason | trek00: Different from the elogind service. |
| 16:28.18 | mason | CrystalMath: Join now, and just depart if it goes the wrong way. It's the better path. |
| 16:28.28 | trek00 | mason: I'm fine with libsystemd0 as I don't use it :) |
| 16:28.38 | CrystalMath | i never found libsystemd0 to be any sort of threat to the BSD model |
| 16:28.50 | mason | kk, just saying |
| 16:29.30 | mason | FWIW, debootstrap installs let you do lovely things like Linux EFI stub-based installs on native-encrypted, mirrored ZFS root. |
| 16:29.30 | trek00 | mason: sorry, I would only to say that debian buster is ok for me, now |
| 16:30.44 | CrystalMath | buster will be supported for a long time |
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| 16:30.58 | trek00 | this is another good thing :) |
| 16:31.01 | CrystalMath | enough time to switch to slackware |
| 16:31.03 | CrystalMath | :P |
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| 16:33.32 | trek00 | CrystalMath: I really hope there will be more choices than slackware (I was using it until 1995) |
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| 16:34.14 | CrystalMath | i'm installing a VM of it now |
| 16:34.35 | mason | CrystalMath: don't forget that ##slackware and #slackbuilds are on Freenode. |
| 16:34.50 | trek00 | good to know |
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| 16:34.52 | trek00 | :) |
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| 16:35.16 | nifker | Id like to disable the GPU on a PC using acpi-call |
| 16:35.24 | mason | trek00: There's also Alpine, Void, some Arch-based one... |
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| 16:35.44 | CrystalMath | mason: also hyperbola, they removed not only systemd but also java |
| 16:35.51 | nifker | when I execute turn_off_gpu.sh - it fails for all devices and it says "Trying \_SB.PCI0.P0P2.VGA.PX02: ./usr/share/doc/acpi-call-dkms/examples/turn_off_gpu.sh: line 39: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input |
| 16:35.51 | nifker | failed" |
| 16:35.52 | CrystalMath | mason: the explanation was, "it's java" |
| 16:36.01 | CrystalMath | mason: i love it |
| 16:36.07 | trek00 | mason: I really like apt, thus the most obvious choice is devuan, but I hope I will not forced to leave debian :) |
| 16:36.35 | greycat | You're using bash 4.4 or higher, and you're performing a command substitution with a command whose output includes NUL bytes. Bash is warning you that they will be discarded. |
| 16:36.35 | CrystalMath | mason: the downside is that it's mostly maintained by teenagers |
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| 16:37.10 | greycat | If this warning causes grief for some outer layer that sees the warning and assumes it's a fatal error, well, then, change the outer layer, or change the command substitution. |
| 16:37.37 | greycat | e.g. instead of "$(foo)" do "$(foo | tr -d \\0)" |
| 16:38.07 | greycat | or replace "foo" with something whose output doesn't include NUL bytes |
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| 16:40.47 | trek00 | nifker: you could try calling this script with sh |
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| 16:41.00 | greycat | That's risky. |
| 16:41.20 | trek00 | greycat: why |
| 16:41.23 | greycat | The script is obviously flawed, so assuming that it conforms to sh's reduced feature set is a wild gamble. |
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| 16:41.35 | nifker | oh right - but it still fails for all :/ |
| 16:41.37 | trek00 | greycat: do you see any bashinm? |
| 16:41.51 | greycat | The .sh extension plus the obvious use of bash is another clue that this script isn't operating with a full deck. |
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| 16:42.17 | greycat | do I "see" one? where? where would I "see" it? |
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| 16:43.00 | greycat | ,v acpi-call |
| 16:43.01 | judd | No package named 'acpi-call' was found in amd64. |
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| 16:44.14 | trek00 | nifker: if it fails, printing each method and "failed", it means the script run fine but acpi-call can't power off your gpu |
| 16:44.28 | trek00 | nifker: what gpu model do you have? |
| 16:44.41 | nifker | AMD RX 460 |
| 16:44.47 | greycat | Good point. The warning from bash may be totally fine. |
| 16:44.50 | mason | trek00: Artix is the Arch fork. Couldn't remember. |
| 16:45.13 | trek00 | nifker: well if you have a newer kernel (5.2+) it will power of automatically |
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| 16:45.34 | trek00 | mason: arch use dpkg? |
| 16:45.48 | nifker | 4.19 :/ |
| 16:46.08 | greycat | no, arch does not use Debian's tools |
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| 16:47.13 | mason | trek00: https://gitea.artixlinux.org/artixlinux/packages |
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| 16:51.37 | trek00 | nifker: if you want to stick with acpi-call may be you need to discover the acpi name of your gpu |
| 16:51.52 | trek00 | nifker: apci-call was not updated since 2013 |
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| 16:52.57 | nifker | Can I find it out using lspci? |
| 16:53.00 | nifker | Or where do I find it |
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| 17:00.59 | jelly | that has to be GeekNerd |
| 17:02.54 | jelly | greycat: I'll remove the channel-local bans, applied them in the shared banlist |
| 17:03.09 | trek00 | nifker: sorry, I don't know if acpi-call can run fine with a recent system |
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| 17:04.12 | nifker | Can I disable the GPU in another way with the OS? |
| 17:05.04 | trek00 | nifker: try with a newer kernel |
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| 17:05.41 | trek00 | nifker: with linux 5.2+ amd cards implemented gfxoff, to poweroff the device when not used |
| 17:06.21 | nvz | nifker: you can get 5.3 in backports |
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| 17:07.33 | nvz | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 17:07.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-backports: 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.3.9-3; sid: 5.3.9-3; experimental: 5.4-1~exp1 |
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| 17:10.54 | nifker | oh nvm I just upgraded |
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| 17:11.58 | nvz | nifker: running the backports kernel now? |
| 17:12.10 | nifker | not yet |
| 17:12.15 | nifker | upgraded to bullseye :P |
| 17:12.23 | nvz | @.@ |
| 17:13.03 | nvz | looks to greycat to borrow one of those *plonks* :P |
| 17:13.07 | greycat | you could've tried the buster-backports kernel first, but eh, if this is what you want... |
| 17:13.20 | jelly | less work for #debian |
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| 17:13.34 | dvs | more for #debian-next |
| 17:13.47 | jelly | yes, but more !pal |
| 17:13.53 | dvs | heh |
| 17:14.09 | greycat | another guinea pig-- I mean, wonderful volunteer, to find and report the bugs |
| 17:15.05 | trek00 | that's really polite |
| 17:15.56 | nvz | thinks . o O ( sounds good... ) |
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| 17:48.45 | Bushmaster | hello, having some problem with MySQl and PhP installation in Debian 9 |
| 17:48.53 | Bushmaster | any help will be great |
| 17:49.05 | trek00 | Bushmaster: what's problem? |
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| 17:50.07 | deadrom | hi |
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| 17:50.52 | Bushmaster | trek00, thanks for asking, its complicated, i have installed MySQL (well Maria DB) and when I installed it, it did not ask for setting root password etc, hence couple of things I am not sure, |
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| 17:51.07 | deadrom | how do I monitor bit rot? I recently has to rebuild a raid5 and I *think* some image files have glitches that weren't there before |
| 17:51.13 | whislock | Bushmaster: Did you try running mysql_secure_installation? |
| 17:51.26 | trek00 | Bushmaster: it don't ask for root password because it allows root only from localhost root user |
| 17:51.27 | Bushmaster | firstly, I cant get in there without going into root with SU of course |
| 17:52.08 | whislock | deadrom: RAID5 is no longer considered a robust storage solution in most instances. Those sorts of things have become increasingly more common as disks have grown in size. |
| 17:52.46 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 so how could I sure its linked with my PHP and Apache server |
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| 17:53.13 | Bushmaster | trek00, i installed phpadmin and it wont show up in my apache locakhost |
| 17:53.14 | jimmy31 | Hi all, i'm trying debian live to see if it works fine on my pc. I can't get the wifi to work. I have an Alfa AWUS036NHA. Can someone help me please? Thanks |
| 17:53.49 | trek00 | Bushmaster: i don't know phpmyadmin, but may be you need to setup a new user inside mariadb |
| 17:55.04 | Wulf | jimmy31: never heard of that chip |
| 17:55.33 | jimmy31 | it's an USB wifi |
| 17:55.35 | Bushmaster | trek00, i am very new to these, all I wanted is a successful installation of apache, mySQL and PHP and I would say roughly 70% has been successful but I am stuck with few issues, for example phpadmin, mySQL workbench and apache to link with mySQL and PHP |
| 17:55.50 | Wulf | jimmy31: it's atheros |
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| 17:56.21 | jimmy31 | Wulf, yes. Atheros AR9271 |
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| 17:57.08 | Wulf | jimmy31: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 17:57.26 | Wulf | "It does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and no firmware is required to be loaded from userspace. " |
| 17:57.58 | trek00 | Bushmaster: I never used phpmyadmin/workbench, is there a configuration file where to put dbname, username and password? |
| 17:58.10 | Wulf | jimmy31: got more details? E.g. output of "ip link show" or "dmesg"? |
| 17:58.14 | Wulf | jimmy31: and lsusb |
| 17:58.20 | jimmy31 | Wulf Is that guide valid even if it's not PCI? |
| 17:58.29 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: Look in /usr/share/doc/mariadb/ for a README.debian file that explains the procedures for creating users and such. |
| 17:58.51 | Wulf | jimmy31: oh. There are links to the usb drivers |
| 17:59.02 | Wulf | ah. "Firmware is required" :) |
| 17:59.10 | Wulf | https://packages.debian.org/firmware-atheros |
| 17:59.13 | Bushmaster | trek00, and jhutchins_wk may I pastebin you the installation that I have done, may be you can then point me to the right direction |
| 17:59.21 | Wulf | or maybe https://packages.debian.org/firmware-ath9k-htc |
| 17:59.59 | jimmy31 | Wulf yes, but give me some minutes, I'm writing from another PC because I don't have a network cable to connect the debian live. I'm going to look for a USB flash drive and copy the command report to a text file that I will then paste into this PC. |
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| 18:00.13 | Wulf | jimmy31: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc follow those instructions |
| 18:00.25 | Wulf | jimmy31: if not working, then you can provide the debug info |
| 18:01.01 | Bushmaster | trek00, and jhutchins_wk here is all the work I did today, sorry its long but please kindly shed some light, what is going wrong https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d5SPGqDCTq/ |
| 18:01.53 | trek00 | Bushmaster: it seems it created an user for phpmyadmin, what is the error message you get? |
| 18:01.59 | darsie | Can toys move while they are watched by humans? |
| 18:02.37 | greycat | if they're battery-powered, or falling (with or without style) |
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| 18:02.46 | trek00 | :D |
| 18:02.46 | darsie | thx |
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| 18:03.05 | darsie | figured this is the toy story channel ;). |
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| 18:03.44 | trek00 | Bushmaster: try read this https://sources.debian.org/src/phpmyadmin/4:4.9.2+dfsg1-1/debian/README.Debian/ |
| 18:03.46 | Bushmaster | trek when I type localhost/phpadmin in my browser i get this Not Found |
| 18:03.46 | Bushmaster | The requested URL was not found on this server. |
| 18:03.46 | Bushmaster | Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80 |
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| 18:05.48 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: Did you look for/at the README file? |
| 18:06.06 | Bushmaster | trek00, this link certainly put perspective |
| 18:06.29 | Bushmaster | jhutchins_wk, not yet, i was catching up with what trek00 is saying |
| 18:07.01 | Bushmaster | trek00, so shall I utilize that command dpkg-reconfigure -plow phpmyadmin in command prompt as root user? |
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| 18:07.42 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: There are different ways of setting up initial access to MySQL. Percona generates a random password for root on first run and puts it in the log. |
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| 18:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: I'm not currently working with Maria on Debian so I'm not 100% sure what it's method is. |
| 18:08.30 | Bushmaster | jhutchins_wk, so can you guide me through the proceucudres |
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| 18:08.50 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: No, like I said, I'm not current with how Maria works on Debian. |
| 18:09.22 | jhutchins_wk | Bushmaster: However, I do know that Debian has traditionally documented the process in the /usr/share/doc files. |
| 18:09.52 | trek00 | Bushmaster: as root try dpkg-reconfigure or a2enconf phpmyadmin |
| 18:11.31 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
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| 18:13.16 | Bushmaster | trek00, it brings up GUI interphase for recpnfigure and asking me to choose either Inix Socket or TCP for MySQL |
| 18:13.40 | Bushmaster | which one I should choose? its recommended Unix Socket |
| 18:14.10 | Bushmaster | but I know in MySQL workbench it shows TCP for connecting to local host, that wont conflict with this ? |
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| 18:14.39 | greycat | You can always change it later if you need to. |
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| 18:15.13 | Bushmaster | trek00, this is what is asking me https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c7QnqQpGhg/ |
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| 18:15.29 | greycat | gets a crate of spoons for trek00 |
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| 18:20.00 | trek00 | Bushmaster: unix socket, as it is local |
| 18:20.26 | Bushmaster | trek00, after doing all these, here is the final out put https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7N97VY9kTn/ |
| 18:20.53 | trek00 | Bushmaster: can you connect? |
| 18:20.57 | Bushmaster | now trek00 shall I type localhost/phpmyadmin again in webbrowser or shall I restart the apache |
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| 18:21.29 | Bushmaster | trek00, I do not know, I have not tried yet, just waiting your advice for next move |
| 18:21.33 | bloodnaousky53 | hey guys |
| 18:21.44 | trek00 | Bushmaster: well try also a2enconf phpmyadmin |
| 18:21.55 | bloodnaousky53 | my system is beeping after login to the system and is frozen |
| 18:21.57 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
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| 18:22.05 | trek00 | Bushmaster: then service apache2 reload |
| 18:22.17 | trek00 | Bushmaster: and then try again to connect |
| 18:22.44 | Bushmaster | trek00, root@bushcat:/home/bushcat# a2enconf phpmyadmin |
| 18:22.44 | Bushmaster | ERROR: Conf phpmyadmin does not exist! |
| 18:22.49 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: graphical login? |
| 18:23.03 | bloodnaousky53 | logged in successfully |
| 18:23.39 | bloodnaousky53 | but as i move the cursor it hangs up, totally or partially freezes sometime, and keeps making this beep sound at regular intervals. |
| 18:24.14 | bloodnaousky53 | i guess its something with nouvea! |
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| 18:25.03 | Bushmaster | trek00, does not work, same thing, Not Found |
| 18:25.03 | Bushmaster | The requested URL was not found on this server. |
| 18:25.03 | Bushmaster | Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at localhost Port 80 |
| 18:25.33 | trek00 | Bushmaster: was dpkg-reconfigure asking for your webserver? |
| 18:26.05 | Bushmaster | yes it did list apache and i press enter trek00 |
| 18:27.16 | trek00 | Bushmaster: you should have a phpmyadmin file in /etc/apache2/conf-available/ (may be with upper lower case letters) |
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| 18:27.48 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: nouveau is experimental, try with the non-free nvidia drivers |
| 18:29.31 | Bushmaster | trek00, let me check |
| 18:30.10 | bloodnaousky53 | i have installed the non free os iso |
| 18:30.36 | greycat | that gives you firmware, but usually not the more invasive things like nvidia dkms drivers |
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| 18:31.00 | Bushmaster | trek00, nope, no phpfile at all in that directory |
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| 18:34.15 | aias | I want to use the latest cmake but it's not in the Debian repositories (9, stretch). Can I just copy the binaries and other share files to /usr/bin and /usr/share etc? |
| 18:34.18 | trek00 | Bushmaster: i don't know why dpkg-reconfigure don't put the configuration file here, but you can copy /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/conf-available/phpmyadmin.conf |
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| 18:34.41 | greycat | ,v cmake |
| 18:34.42 | trek00 | Bushmaster: then run again a2enconf and service reload |
| 18:34.43 | judd | Package: cmake on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.7.2-1; stretch-backports: 3.13.2-1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 3.13.4-1; buster: 3.13.4-1; sid: 3.15.4-1 |
| 18:34.53 | greycat | is 3.13.2 new enough for you? |
| 18:35.05 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: you need to install nvidia-driver package from non-free repository |
| 18:35.41 | aias | so I need bullseye, buster or sid? |
| 18:35.51 | bloodnaousky53 | how m i supposed to that when i cant move anything, system has hanged up, total freeze @trek00 |
| 18:35.55 | greycat | No, you need to answer the question. Is 3.13.2 sufficient? |
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| 18:36.15 | aias | 3.8 is sufficient but my Stretch installation only finds 3.7 |
| 18:36.19 | jelly | aias: in general, no, you can't mix and match and use binary packages from a newer branch on Debian. |
| 18:36.22 | greycat | !stretch-backports |
| 18:36.22 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 18:36.27 | Bushmaster | trek00, not sure how to do that, you mean copy that apache.conf file and then put it in conf-available with renaming it to phpmyadmin.conf? |
| 18:36.29 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: try to boot in single user mode/rescue mode at the grub menu |
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| 18:36.44 | greycat | stretch-backports: 3.13.2-1~bpo9+1 |
| 18:36.47 | bloodnaousky53 | m in it @trek00 |
| 18:37.18 | trek00 | Bushmaster: ln -s /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/conf-available/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 18:37.25 | bloodnaousky53 | @trek00 i see only 3 lines in grub |
| 18:37.30 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
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| 18:38.18 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: you should get your kernel version (recovery mode) |
| 18:38.28 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 i got the pompt back now do you want me to run a2enconf |
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| 18:39.00 | bloodnaousky53 | @trek00 mean grub right? |
| 18:39.02 | trek00 | Bushmaster: yes, a2enconf phpmyadmin && service apache2 reload |
| 18:39.07 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: yes |
| 18:39.20 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
| 18:39.40 | bloodnaousky53 | @trek00 m in it, what now? |
| 18:40.24 | Bushmaster | trek00, i think we are in right direction now, this is what i get now https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BzB7Gv6RnT/ |
| 18:40.52 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: you should become root and then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to add non-free and then apt update && apt install nvidia-driver |
| 18:41.08 | Bushmaster | trek00, shall I run this one then systemctl reload apache2 |
| 18:41.25 | trek00 | Bushmaster: service apache2 reload |
| 18:41.42 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 but did you see my pastebin? |
| 18:41.58 | trek00 | Bushmaster: oh yes, it was only an informative message it should be ok now |
| 18:42.03 | trek00 | Bushmaster: try with browser |
| 18:42.05 | bloodnaousky53 | @trek00 i havent configured wifi as i couldn't use it, it hanged way early |
| 18:42.13 | Bushmaster | okay done trek00 |
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| 18:42.27 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: so you don't have a network connection? |
| 18:42.29 | _DeLa_ | Hi there! I have just installed Debian 10 on this machine, which was running Lubuntu 18.04 before. In the BIOS there still exists a boot entry called "Ubuntu" for my HDD, although gparted that there is no ubuntu partition left ...how come? |
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| 18:42.38 | Bushmaster | so what I type in browser http://localhost/phpmyadmin ? trek00 |
| 18:42.45 | trek00 | Bushmaster: yes |
| 18:42.49 | _DeLa_ | "gparted confirms" |
| 18:42.53 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 let me see |
| 18:43.56 | Bushmaster | trek00, OHHHHHHH YESSSSSS, big success |
| 18:44.04 | bloodnaousky53 | @trek00 no |
| 18:44.25 | trek00 | Bushmaster: good :) |
| 18:44.27 | Bushmaster | its showing nicely, asking me to put username and password |
| 18:44.57 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: well, we need to bring up the network first |
| 18:45.17 | Bushmaster | shall I put that username that was created when I was performing that command dpkg reconfigure command? |
| 18:45.29 | bloodnaousky53 | ok |
| 18:45.56 | trek00 | _DeLa_: with efibootmgr you should be able to remove this old entry, but be careful as you could make unbootable your system |
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| 18:47.10 | Bushmaster | trek00, oh no, it wont let me in |
| 18:47.20 | trek00 | Bushmaster: sorry I really don't know phpmyadmin, may be you need to create a normal user? |
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| 18:47.41 | Bushmaster | trek00, it comes with this message #1698 - Access denied for user 'phpmyadmin@localhost'@'localhost' |
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| 18:48.09 | _DeLa_ | trek00: thanks for pointing this out. To be honest, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering. Is there any need to remove it? |
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| 18:48.26 | trek00 | _DeLa_: no |
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| 18:48.54 | _DeLa_ | trek00: thanks a lot! |
| 18:49.03 | trek00 | Bushmaster: may be it created an user/password pair in /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup? |
| 18:49.27 | Bushmaster | trek00, let me type root and then password |
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| 18:51.00 | trek00 | bloodnaousky53: what is your wifi card? is there any error message? |
| 18:51.12 | Bushmaster | trek00, I am in, the username is phpmyadmin and not phpmyadmin@localhost |
| 18:51.31 | trek00 | Bushmaster: good! :) |
| 18:51.37 | Bushmaster | trek00, I want to express million thanks, you truly are brilliant |
| 18:52.09 | trek00 | Bushmaster: remember the jhutchins tip, if you have a problem search a README.Debian file in your /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 18:52.17 | trek00 | :) |
| 18:52.39 | Bushmaster | okay let me save this |
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| 18:54.39 | Bushmaster | trek00, if you could now only help me with my MariaDB, and workbench that would be great |
| 18:54.40 | hydroponx | will a new Debian 9 install work on Ryzen 3k processors or is it 10.x required for it to work these days? |
| 18:55.32 | greycat | "a new Debian 9 install" is quite the oxymoron |
| 18:56.05 | trek00 | Bushmaster: I have no idea what workbench is |
| 18:56.43 | trek00 | Bushmaster: well if it is mysql-workbench we can try |
| 18:56.50 | Bushmaster | trek00, it just a GUI interphase to work on MYSQL Server |
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| 18:57.13 | Bushmaster | yes mySQL workbench, sorry about confusion |
| 18:57.18 | gravitos | hi guys |
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| 18:57.50 | trek00 | Bushmaster: try to use it and post an error message if you encounter one |
| 18:58.05 | Bushmaster | well trek if I type MYSQl without logging as root I get this (base) bushcat@bushcat:~$ mysql |
| 18:58.05 | Bushmaster | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'bushcat'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 18:58.05 | Bushmaster | (base) bushcat@bushcat:~$ |
| 18:58.09 | hydroponx | greycat, the latest 9.x iso is available for download, correct? |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | !stretch |
| 18:58.27 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 18:58.35 | trek00 | hydroponx: if you need to use the iGPU of your ryzen, you need debian 10 |
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| 18:58.42 | gravitos | so, i installed debian 10 on a proot environment of my android phone, and my firefox looks like this after sudo apt upgrade https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fQkg4uL5/IMG_20191203_212614.jpg |
| 18:58.43 | greycat | It's still got the same features that it had in June 2017, and earlier, when it froze. |
| 18:59.24 | hydroponx | trek00, no igpu here, just looking to play with the stable Powershell Core release |
| 18:59.47 | gravitos | that's what it says while launching using terminal. lots of this thing. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bb5dMrVR/IMG_20191203_214617.jpg |
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| 19:00.23 | gravitos | and that's what it says while launching by root https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uaTQQFsv/IMG_20191203_215041.jpg |
| 19:00.25 | trek00 | Bushmaster: you need to create an user inside mariadb, check docs with: zless /usr/share/doc/mariadb-server-10.1/README.Debian.gz |
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| 19:03.04 | gravitos | sits down here and begins to wait |
| 19:03.13 | Bushmaster | trek00, but if i get root I get this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DBGtXGz9Yt/ Notice, it never ask me to enter any username and password, so at sql-workbench, to add localhost, it has keychain where I think I need to add SQL username and password, and since I do not have any, I am not sure whether workbench can be configured |
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| 19:03.45 | trek00 | gravitos: you should never run firefox as root! |
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| 19:04.18 | gravitos | trek00: and if I don't, that's what i get. lots of these. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bb5dMrVR/IMG_20191203_214617.jpg |
| 19:05.33 | Guest13123 | Wulf, I followed the guide, now it detects the networks (before it didn't even recognize the USB wifi) but it doesn't connect me. |
| 19:05.51 | g0zzy | I've just put certs from letsencrypt into my stretch Apache2. Does anyone know if you request certs for www.foo.com and just foo.com whether it actually generates for *.foo.com? |
| 19:06.03 | whislock | g0zzy: It does not. |
| 19:06.04 | Bushmaster | trek00, i just read the text you shared in command |
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| 19:06.35 | g0zzy | Well Chrome is telling me the cert is for *.chinahousemells.co.uk |
| 19:06.48 | trek00 | Bushmaster: at the mysql prompt type: GRANT ALL ON *.* TO 'bushcat'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED VIA unix_socket WITH GRANT OPTION |
| 19:06.55 | g0zzy | (unless it's using an old cert, which i DID get wrong) |
| 19:07.18 | gravitos | pulls his yo-yo out of bag and starts hanging around waitin' |
| 19:07.31 | Bushmaster | trek00, all of it you want me to paste ? |
| 19:07.52 | trek00 | Bushmaster: it's the command to add a bushcat user |
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| 19:08.04 | whislock | g0zzy: If you request www.foo.com and foo.com, that's all you get. |
| 19:08.05 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
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| 19:09.04 | jelly | gravitos: don't expect too much from proot. I suppose emulation of /dev/shm is out of its possibilities. |
| 19:09.12 | g0zzy | whislock: Do you think it could be a caching thing? Could you please hit https://www.chinahousemells.co.uk and tell me what you see? |
| 19:09.13 | trek00 | gravitos: may be i don't understand, you installed debian on an android phone? is there X11 installed? |
| 19:09.24 | Bushmaster | trek00, it just staying in like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BnZchpw4v4/ |
| 19:09.36 | trek00 | Bushmaster: add a ; |
| 19:09.36 | gravitos | jelly: before sudo apt upgrade it did work as expected. |
| 19:09.53 | Bushmaster | trek00, now shall I open sql-workbench and try configure it with you help in local host |
| 19:09.57 | gravitos | trek00: i am using vnc viewer to view localhost:5901 |
| 19:10.01 | jelly | gravitos: and now it doesn't. |
| 19:10.07 | gravitos | jelly: yup. |
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| 19:10.21 | jelly | gravitos: it's not a reliable environment is what I'm saying. |
| 19:10.24 | trek00 | Bushmaster: it should run fine if you run from the bushcat prompt (not root) |
| 19:10.42 | Bushmaster | where do want me to add a; trek00 ? |
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| 19:11.09 | trek00 | Bushmaster: at the mariadb prompt, i missed to past the final ; |
| 19:11.20 | gravitos | definitely should reinstall that vm. once again. |
| 19:11.32 | jelly | gravitos: don't blame debian for breaking inside it; if you want to fix things, see if you can find a more simple example that breaks other than firefox |
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| 19:11.49 | Bushmaster | trek00, you want me to type this GRANT ALL ON *.* TO 'bushcat'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED VIA unix_socket WITH GRANT OPTION a; ? |
| 19:12.06 | whislock | g0zzy: It's presenting your wildcard. |
| 19:12.23 | greycat | trek00: you need more spoons already, don't you |
| 19:12.25 | trek00 | Bushmaster: simply add ; to the prompt you pasted |
| 19:12.29 | jelly | !proot |
| 19:12.35 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
| 19:12.36 | jelly | hmph. |
| 19:12.36 | trek00 | greycat: what is a spoon? |
| 19:12.42 | greycat | For all the spoon-feeding. |
| 19:12.48 | gravitos | jelly: k, chromium says to set chmod 4755 and chown root to a file, but it is already owned by root and has 4755. |
| 19:13.07 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 it says Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) |
| 19:13.26 | trek00 | Bushmaster: well, try run workbench from bushcat prompt |
| 19:13.31 | jelly | gravitos: chromium wants seccomp functionality. You probably don't have that either inside proot. |
| 19:13.49 | Bushmaster | now let me get into workbench set up, please help me to set this up trek00 and I am all done for now I think |
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| 19:13.52 | trek00 | greycat: got the translation :) |
| 19:13.52 | g0zzy | Thanks. Yes. so that's wrong. Either it's using an old cert somehow or www IS done using a wildcard |
| 19:13.55 | Wulf | Guest13123: now anything in dmesg? |
| 19:14.03 | gravitos | that's why i never use chromium. |
| 19:14.26 | Bushmaster | how do I run that from command promt cos workbench is actually GUI icon sitting in my Programming Start bar trek00 ? |
| 19:14.30 | jelly | gravitos: perhaps there's a way to convince chromium to run insecure w/o seccomp, command line arguments or whatnot. |
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| 19:14.38 | trek00 | Bushmaster: try with the icon |
| 19:14.42 | whislock | g0zzy: The former. LE does not generate wildcards unless you specifically request one. |
| 19:14.54 | whislock | g0zzy: If you're requesting a cert for www, that's what you get. |
| 19:15.03 | gravitos | jelly: it wants for its chromium-sandbox to work, but it does not. |
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| 19:15.27 | jelly | gravitos: so maybe there's a command line to disable the sandbox and work without it |
| 19:15.42 | g0zzy | Any idea to read the ID of the cert in a pem file? |
| 19:16.05 | jelly | g0zzy: what do you mean by "ID"? |
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| 19:16.24 | Bushmaster | trek00, okay I am there, please help me with setting up the connection what exactly i need to do now, I can delete the existing connection, click + sign and add new connection right? |
| 19:16.40 | jelly | g0zzy: "openssl x509 -in foo.pem -noout -text" shows lots of info about an ssl certificate. |
| 19:16.40 | greycat | jelly: from context, I believe they're asking "how do I see which domains the certificate is for" |
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| 19:17.03 | whislock | g0zzy: openssl x509 -in server.pem -noout -text |
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| 19:17.25 | g0zzy | Subject: CN = *.chinahousemells.co.uk |
| 19:17.26 | whislock | g0zzy: You're looking for subjectAlternativeNames. |
| 19:17.42 | trek00 | Bushmaster: sorry i never used mysql-workbench, it should connect localhost without a password |
| 19:17.55 | Bushmaster | trek00 i clicked + and I put Local Instance as connection name, by default connection methiod is set to TCP, shall I leave the way it is? |
| 19:18.11 | trek00 | Bushmaster: is there unix_socket? |
| 19:18.17 | Bushmaster | now that localhost, shall I add my local IP then? trek00 |
| 19:18.37 | whislock | g0zzy: If you have a wildcard, then you asked for a wildcard. |
| 19:19.07 | Bushmaster | trek00, no, |
| 19:19.09 | g0zzy | Hmm. Seems that there are two fullchain1.pem files www and not www |
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| 19:19.26 | trek00 | Bushmaster: may be there is something like this https://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/images/wb-manage-db-connections-socket-parameters.png |
| 19:19.42 | Bushmaster | let me check the link trek00 |
| 19:20.07 | whislock | g0zzy: Did you request two different certs? |
| 19:20.15 | Bushmaster | trek00, yo got it this is exactly the screen I have, please help me to fill this screen you got it |
| 19:20.44 | g0zzy | Yes. That was how i was told by the Net to get a cert for www.foo.com and foo.com |
| 19:20.49 | Bushmaster | so I changed the connection method local socket/pipe right? |
| 19:20.51 | trek00 | Bushmaster: local socket is ok |
| 19:20.54 | whislock | g0zzy: Then the net was wrong. Shocking. |
| 19:21.13 | jelly | WARNING: this channel... is also part of the net |
| 19:21.26 | jelly | exercise caution |
| 19:21.31 | whislock | g0zzy: Look at certbot's -d option. |
| 19:21.33 | Bushmaster | trek00, what about the username, its set as root and what about that key chain |
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| 19:21.48 | trek00 | Bushmaster: the path should be /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, the user should be bushcat |
| 19:21.57 | trek00 | Bushmaster: no password |
| 19:22.11 | Bushmaster | okay let me copy these |
| 19:22.31 | g0zzy | -d www.chinahousemells.co.uk -d chinahousemells.co.uk was what i did |
| 19:22.47 | whislock | That doesn't generate two entirely different certificates. |
| 19:23.06 | whislock | That would generate one with two domains. |
| 19:23.08 | g0zzy | I think i'll have to try again |
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| 19:23.43 | g0zzy | The www one is new. And it says it's ONLY for that domain |
| 19:23.45 | Bushmaster | trek00, anything else, i put that /var/run .... path in socket/pipe path section and changed username to bushcat, shall I click test connection now then? |
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| 19:24.13 | g0zzy | (Subject: CN = www.chinahousemells.co.uk) |
| 19:24.23 | trek00 | Bushmaster: yes, try it! |
| 19:24.33 | Bushmaster | okay trek00 |
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| 19:25.46 | Bushmaster | trek00, it says this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vdjfVxTTSn/ and then give me tab 'Connect Anyway' or Cancel |
| 19:25.52 | gravitos | jelly thanks man https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WK957AOa/IMG_20191203_222257.jpg |
| 19:26.19 | trek00 | Bushmaster: well try, but now i need to go to dinner! :) |
| 19:26.26 | Bushmaster | trek00, is this cos I am using Maria DB? |
| 19:26.38 | trek00 | Bushmaster: i bet you can ignore this message |
| 19:26.55 | g0zzy | whislock: Thanks for the help. I'll try again later |
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| 19:27.15 | Bushmaster | trek00, Information related to this connection: |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmaster | Host: 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmaster | Port: 0 |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmaster | User: bushcat |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmaster | SSL: not enabled |
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| 19:28.24 | Bushmaster | sorry folks |
| 19:29.57 | gravitos | Bushmaster: always goddamn use pastebin for things more than 5 lines long. |
| 19:30.24 | greycat | For this channel, the desired threshold is actually 2 lines. |
| 19:30.48 | Bushmaster | trek00, thanks a million looks all done, so for example, if i open port 80 in my ISP, and create a page, will SQL and PHP will act behind the scene for dynamic database driven page? |
| 19:31.11 | Bushmaster | i meant opening port 80 for Apace |
| 19:31.20 | Bushmaster | yes gravitos my mistake |
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| 19:32.55 | Bushmaster | will talk later folks, thanks again for setting up my AMP, really pleased |
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| 19:34.58 | debnoob | Can anyone tell me why udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ do not work anymore on Debian 10? |
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| 19:36.01 | debnoob | For the record, I'm trying to make a rule that runs a script once a bluetooth device connects |
| 19:36.50 | debnoob | This is what the rule looks like: SYBSYSTEM="bluetooth", ATTRS{address}=="<mac>", RUN+="/path/to/script" |
| 19:38.10 | greycat | debnoob: it *should* work, if the rules are written correctly, and if the filename ends with ".rules" |
| 19:39.12 | debnoob | filename and premissions are set correctly, yet it does not run |
| 19:40.09 | debnoob | Is there somethinng else I have to enable in debian 10 due to systemd-udev or something? |
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| 19:42.52 | debnoob | The thing is: It used to work on a fresh Debian 9, it doesn't work on a fresh Debian 10. So what is different? |
| 19:43.33 | greycat | did you really spell it SYBSYSTEM instead of SUBSYSTEM? |
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| 19:44.29 | debnoob | greycat yes I did, but it was spelled properly on previous versions |
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| 19:46.47 | debnoob | Now it's spelled correctly, and I've ran: udevadm control --reload-rules && udevadm trigger |
| 19:47.15 | debnoob | And it's still not working |
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| 19:50.54 | debnoob | Any other ideas? |
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| 20:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | debnoob: First try running the commands themselves, one at a time. |
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| 20:05.52 | gravitos | 22:42:52 <debnoob> The thing is: It used to work on a fresh Debian 9, it doesn't work on a fresh Debian 10. So what is different? ⨠maybe different kernels? i've got X errors and bugs when used to update my old laptop to newer kernel. |
| 20:06.08 | gravitos | sry for my bad english btw |
| 20:06.29 | greycat | They aren't commands. They are udev configuration lines. |
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| 20:09.03 | debnoob | greycat lines that do not fire for some weird reason |
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| 20:11.36 | Skandalist | I have iso image. I burn it to DVD, then I make iso using Brasero or k3b. SHA1 matches, but SHA256 doesn't and if I open it with Engrampa Archive Manager I see some Readme.txt and [boot] filder with small img file, while in original I see real files. Why is it so? |
| 20:12.08 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Ah. Thanks. |
| 20:12.10 | whislock | You're burning an iso to a dvd then making an iso of the dvd you just burned from an iso? |
| 20:12.18 | Skandalist | yes |
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| 20:12.47 | Akuw | i need to create a KVM virtual machine using my pendrive, but cant boot |
| 20:12.56 | Skandalist | and it seems not 100% the same |
| 20:13.10 | whislock | Skandalist: What are you ACTUALLY trying to do? |
| 20:13.16 | whislock | Because that sequence of steps sounds... odd. |
| 20:13.36 | debnoob | Oh well, I fold. I'll turn the script into something that checks on a polling basis because it's no use spending any more time on this. Thanks anyway! |
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| 20:17.31 | gravitos | а ÑкандалиÑÑ-Ñо ÑпоÑоÑÑй! |
| 20:17.41 | jimmy31 | Wulf: I followed the guide, now it detects the networks (before it didn't even recognize the USB wifi) but it doesn't connect me. |
| 20:17.49 | Skandalist | I was trying to compare original iso and iso, which I made from DVD. And now I am trying to understand why they are not 100% the same. Verification in burning time was successfull |
| 20:18.06 | whislock | Skandalist: But why? |
| 20:18.13 | whislock | Why not just... use the ISO you downloaded? |
| 20:19.27 | jhutchins_wk | !ru |
| 20:19.27 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 20:19.35 | gravitos | Skandalist: iso burner burned that readme and self-ad, probably. btw do you speak Russian? your nick is kinda... too russian. |
| 20:19.47 | Skandalist | yes |
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| 20:20.16 | gravitos | +1 в ÑпиÑок опÑавдавÑиÑ
ÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð¾Ð·Ñений |
| 20:20.28 | gravitos | Skandalist: Ñак на кой Ñебе ÑÑи маÑ
инаÑии? |
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| 20:24.01 | Skandalist | <gravitos> For additional integrity check. And to just understand why and is it normal |
| 20:25.29 | gravitos | pulls a cigar out of his pocket and starts smoking saying "ÐоÑÑÑÑаÑÑий Ñ
од. ÐÑÑÑÐ°Ñ ÑÑаÑа диÑков" |
| 20:25.54 | Skandalist | I needed that disk anyway |
| 20:26.09 | trek00 | Skandalist: may be the cdburner program updates timestamps? |
| 20:26.38 | Skandalist | I haven't burned it for experiment |
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| 20:27.02 | whislock | Skandalist: You're wasting your time. All packages are signed anyway, you'll definitely know if something's corrupt. |
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| 20:37.35 | jimmy31 | Sorry the line had fallen |
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| 20:48.13 | Skandalist | Ok, thanks. |
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| 20:56.00 | srged | is this temp reading ok? https://paste.debian.net/1119290/ |
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| 21:01.05 | trek00 | srged: it seems correct readings, but it depends by your cpu/gpu models |
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| 21:04.05 | srged | trek00: i mean, isn't it too hot? |
| 21:04.20 | srged | for an average use? i means its like this the whole time |
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| 21:06.06 | trek00 | srged: it depends, what is the maximum temp for this devices? what is the environmental temp? |
| 21:07.00 | srged | trek00: im using a laptop. how do i know its max temp ? as about my room is like 23 celcius i'd say |
| 21:07.49 | greycat | you identify its model number, then you look up the specs for that model |
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| 21:08.23 | trek00 | srged: if you search your cpu/gpu model you should find the specifications and maximum temperature, but laptops have always heating problems, try putting some pencil under your laptop to make a little space and let air flow |
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| 21:09.25 | greycat | also, despite the name, don't actually set it on your lap |
| 21:09.39 | srged | trek00: ok thx |
| 21:09.48 | greycat | even worse would be a bed, or other soft surface that would conform to the underside of the machine. a firm table top is best. |
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| 21:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | srged: Most CPUs have thermal protection, they'll shut down before damage is done. Inconvenient if you're in the middle of something, but safe. |
| 21:11.22 | srged | a firm table is what i use. but the machine is 10 yrs old and started to get noisy and i was thinking its maybe heating too much... but then again, i haven't oiled the coooler in ages... |
| 21:12.05 | jhutchins_wk | srged: If you can disassemble it enough to get at the fan, blowing the dust out (with canned air or something) can help a lot. |
| 21:12.22 | trek00 | srged: 10 years old means old model, thus higher temperature and may be dirty heatsink |
| 21:12.38 | jhutchins_wk | seems to me like the last time I checked mine was running around 50C. |
| 21:12.53 | rany | srged, you can find tutorials online on how to replace thermal paste |
| 21:13.15 | jhutchins_wk | srged: Oh, check the BIOS, sometimes there are settings there for thermal limits or alarms. |
| 21:13.30 | rany | jhutchins_wk, the bioses of laptops are extremely limited ;p |
| 21:13.46 | rany | the best you will get is disabling wireless NIC |
| 21:13.54 | rany | from the bios |
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| 21:14.58 | jhutchins_wk | rany: You have had different laptops than I have. |
| 21:16.15 | rany | Yes, my laptops' BIOSes are extremely limited indeed... |
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| 21:32.47 | nvz | they'll shut down before they melt down.. won't necessarily shut down before causing damage.. the weaker components of a pc can have their lifespans significantly shortened by high temps and cooling systems are cheap and easy to maintain |
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| 21:33.00 | rander2 | hello all |
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| 21:34.06 | rander2 | nobody here ? |
| 21:34.28 | rander2 | So we are all from Europe or nord africa I mean |
| 21:34.45 | greycat | !ask |
| 21:34.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:34.58 | rander2 | ok |
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| 21:38.01 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1119295/ |
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| 21:39.42 | trek00 | rander2: try see https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:40.38 | rander2 | that driver is about audio card I think |
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| 21:41.11 | trek00 | rander2: it's your network card, you need to install firmware-realtek |
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| 21:41.52 | rander2 | ethernet I think, the wifi is working |
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| 21:43.13 | greycat | Is there an actual problem you're trying to solve? |
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| 21:45.35 | rander2 | basically , I forgot the netbook opened, the battery discharged. After at a new start up it don't go on. All was black. So I started it in recovery mode, but I did't understand. After I tried to start up it with the more old kernel, and now it go. So I'm asking what stuff of problem it had |
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| 21:49.17 | g0zzy | Trying to use Letsencrypt certs for both chinahousemells.co.uk and www.chinahousemells.co.uk. It gave me a cert for the former a couple of days ago. It's now given me one for the latter but i was actually expecting one that worked for both. How is that meant to work? |
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| 21:51.47 | greycat | I use "dehydrated", and it works just fine, with multiple domains in a single cert. |
| 21:51.50 | greycat | greg@remote:/etc/dehydrated$ cat domains.txt |
| 21:51.52 | greycat | wooledge.org mywiki.wooledge.org paste.wooledge.org |
| 21:51.58 | nkuttler | g0zzy: well, pass all the domains you want |
| 21:52.19 | greycat | I even added the third domain, and when I ran the script again, it just worked. |
| 21:53.00 | Unit193 | greycat: I don't suppose that does wildcard certs? |
| 21:53.13 | greycat | I don't know how to do it with "certbot" or with the other choices, but I'd imagine there's some similar mechanism. |
| 21:53.27 | greycat | I have not tried wildcard. |
| 21:53.30 | nkuttler | certbot --domains foo,bar,baz |
| 21:53.39 | rander2 | ok the firmware id not free, but onestly I dont' use eth0 , my main problem was to solve the not start up with the last kernel ( I mean in the grub options) |
| 21:54.09 | greycat | missing firmware for an interface that you don't use is probably not relevant to your immediate issues |
| 21:54.33 | _DeLa_ | Hit the road, flabby has-been Lubuntu! Hello, lean and limber Debian with LXDE (Now also on my main machine) :-D |
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| 22:02.40 | rander2 | greycat is go out |
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| 22:02.47 | rander2 | sorry :( |
| 22:03.21 | rander2 | he's a very expert and available |
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| 22:04.07 | trek00 | rander2: why it is not booting right? there is an error message? |
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| 22:05.30 | rander2 | it's the same question I'm asking myself |
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| 22:05.55 | rander2 | I'm looking in dmesg messages, but I don't found the problem |
| 22:06.07 | trek00 | rander2: we need more info to help you, we are not sensitives :) |
| 22:06.58 | trek00 | rander2: can you boot in rescue mode? |
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| 22:07.20 | rander2 | I booted normaly now, but with the old kernel |
| 22:08.47 | trek00 | rander2: anyway it's strange you can't boot with the same kernel after a power outage, may be you made some updates? |
| 22:08.50 | rander2 | and don't found the problem, I left the netbook on, the battery deschanges, and at startup nothing. |
| 22:09.15 | ChmEarl | request bp of libssh-4 in buster to stretch |
| 22:09.21 | rander2 | no, it happened after a shut down from low battery |
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| 22:09.43 | rander2 | I installed debian amd64 10 yesterday |
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| 22:09.53 | trek00 | rander2: if you select recovery mode from grub, it starts? |
| 22:10.26 | rander2 | yes, as root. without xorg and with only one tty console |
| 22:11.07 | rander2 | it start in recovery mode , and with old kernel |
| 22:11.28 | trek00 | rander2: just an idea, may be systemd and initramfs: try update-initramfs -u kernel_version |
| 22:11.39 | trek00 | sorry |
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| 22:11.56 | trek00 | update-initramfs -u -k kernel-version |
| 22:12.18 | trek00 | where kernel-version is the output of uname -r of the kernel that is not booting right |
| 22:12.54 | rander2 | uname -a --> Linux deb10 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:13.42 | trek00 | it should be update-initramfs -u -k 4.19.0-6-amd64 |
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| 22:14.38 | rander2 | I don't know that command, but it give me error, I paste in debian paste |
| 22:15.29 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1119341/ |
| 22:16.06 | trek00 | rander2: you pasted the wrong command, to be sure try update-initramfs -u -k all |
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| 22:16.10 | rander2 | must I install the kernel source ? |
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| 22:18.35 | trek00 | rander2: try: update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 22:18.56 | rander2 | ok, it finish without errors, but I don't know nothing about that command, I hope your counsil was right |
| 22:19.34 | trek00 | rander2: try to reboot with the newer kernel and see if it run fine |
| 22:19.57 | rander2 | update-initramfs -u -k all --> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-6-amd64 # not error |
| 22:20.28 | rander2 | so that command modify grub to start uo with that kernel ? |
| 22:21.04 | trek00 | rander2: this command rebuilt the drivers pack for your kernel |
| 22:21.41 | rander2 | ok I reboot, I 'll read the manpages after. I hope it was right. |
| 22:22.27 | trek00 | rander2: I can't know if it will fix your issue, i'm blindly trying to guess |
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| 22:22.48 | rander2 | ok, thx . see u after |
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| 22:26.32 | trek00 | rander2: it's ok? |
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| 22:26.55 | rander2 | thx, start up was right now, however I not understood the problem, but I am not a deb hacker as you |
| 22:26.59 | rander2 | :) |
| 22:27.15 | rainfyre | that's a pretty nice compliment |
| 22:27.21 | trek00 | rander2: well, say thank you systemd to breaking my running system :) |
| 22:27.24 | rander2 | it's true |
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| 22:28.18 | rainfyre | yay |
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| 22:29.18 | trek00 | rander2: probably systemd (a debian component) tried to rebuild your initramfs on shutdown, but the batteries died before it finished.. and this made your system not fully bootable |
| 22:29.35 | funksion | I have a question. I was thinking about going non-systemd, but I know almost anything about how init |
| 22:29.45 | rander2 | ah...interest |
| 22:29.51 | funksion | shit |
| 22:30.05 | funksion | about how init systems and daemon managers work |
| 22:30.49 | funksion | the packages usually include a .service systemd file, right? |
| 22:31.02 | trek00 | funksion: I don't like systemd, but you need to fully understand how init systems works before tweaking your debian in unsupported ways |
| 22:31.15 | funksion | If I decide to quit systemd, how will I manage without the .service files? |
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| 22:31.39 | funksion | packages include configs for other managers? |
| 22:31.40 | trek00 | funksion: there are boot scripts under /etc/init.d |
| 22:31.59 | trek00 | funksion: most packages yes, others not |
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| 22:32.28 | funksion | Nice. Those boot scripts are independent of systemd? |
| 22:33.23 | trek00 | funksion: yes, it's the old way to startup, supported even by systemd |
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| 22:34.04 | trek00 | funksion: but be careful, switching from systemd to something else, it can make your debian unusable |
| 22:35.02 | funksion | I understand. I plan to play in a vm to learn... |
| 22:35.21 | trek00 | funksion: this is the best way |
| 22:35.37 | rander2 | systemd is the substitute of init ? |
| 22:35.52 | funksion | so systemd files are wrappers around boot scripts? |
| 22:36.09 | trek00 | rander2: yes |
| 22:36.28 | funksion | or not necessarily? |
| 22:36.56 | trek00 | funksion: no, they are complementary, but if there is no systemd unit file, then systemd try to execute the /etc/init.d script |
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| 22:40.05 | funksion | So there are packages that use only systemd? |
| 22:40.50 | trek00 | funksion: yes, but only a small fraction |
| 22:41.49 | trek00 | funksion: gnome is one of most notable |
| 22:44.25 | funksion | Ok. Thanks for the info. Last question: where can I learn about this? All I find is too basic or too advanced... I would like to read something that builds from basic concepts but gets into the details... |
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| 22:48.13 | trek00 | funksion: I don't know, the initialization system is really a technical aspect to understand |
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| 22:49.53 | trek00 | funksion: i think starting playing with a VM is the correct approach to better understand these type of concepts |
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| 23:02.59 | peterrooney | $LC_DEITY knows there's no canonical overview documentation outside of source code |
| 23:04.01 | jhutchins | funksion: Anything in linux that is completely documented is obsolete. |
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| 23:06.07 | g0zzy | Don't understand why i'm getting a listing of /var/www/html. I've got default sites disabled |
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| 23:07.14 | g0zzy | And i shouldn't be seeing it especially when the request in the address bar is for chinahousemells.co.uk |
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| 23:08.01 | jhutchins | g0zzy: You have a documentroot defined, and you have indexing enabled. |
| 23:08.55 | g0zzy | But that 'site' in which it is defined is disabled ... |
| 23:09.22 | jhutchins | g0zzy: Remember you don't actually have to have a hostname in a URL, you can connect by IP and it will default to the first site defined. |
| 23:09.53 | g0zzy | I request chinahousemells.co.uk and get a listing for a default 'site' that's disabled |
| 23:10.36 | jhutchins | Yup. |
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| 23:10.57 | g0zzy | To be clear, i'm talking about *literally* that address, with no protocol or path |
| 23:11.30 | jhutchins | g0zzy: You have a documentroot defined, and you have indexing enabled. |
| 23:11.40 | g0zzy | Surely that shouldn't be happening. Only one site is enabled |
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| 23:12.32 | g0zzy | I mean you're not really meant to have to edit apache2.conf in Debian are you? |
| 23:13.27 | jhutchins | g0zzy: You can. |
| 23:14.11 | jhutchins | g0zzy: It just has "include" statements that use the subdirectories, but you can do monolithic too. |
| 23:14.26 | g0zzy | So i'm going to have to remove <Directory /var/www/> as thhat's where it's coming from |
| 23:15.11 | jhutchins | g0zzy: A DocumentRoot, which probably defaults to /var/www/html |
| 23:16.03 | jhutchins | g0zzy: Your browser gets the IP address from DNS (or hosts), it sends a request to the IP, which defaults to the lowest level configuration it can find. |
| 23:16.40 | g0zzy | http://sprunge.us/WLa4Kd is the one node |
| 23:16.40 | jhutchins | goberle: If you turn off indexing, I think you'll get a 404. |
| 23:17.01 | jhutchins | g0zzy: |
| 23:18.20 | g0zzy | Yes. This is a little deeper anyway since, as i mentioned, i'm requesting chinahousemells.co.uk |
| 23:19.05 | jhutchins | g0zzy: Yes, and that doesn't matter. |
| 23:19.15 | g0zzy | SO i'm guessing now if i remove that node in the conf file, i'll probably get an error instead ;) |
| 23:19.22 | jhutchins | 16:37 < trek00> funksion: no, they are complementary, but if there is no systemd unit file, then systemd try to execute the |
| 23:19.25 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.38 | jhutchins | Thanks cat. |
| 23:19.54 | jhutchins | g0zzy: No, the node is disabled, that's why you're getting the default. |
| 23:21.44 | jhutchins | I get the same listing. |
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| 23:23.17 | jhutchins | g0zzy: That's either in the configuration, or it's a sane default if there's no definition. |
| 23:23.18 | g0zzy | Yes, i was right - i now get "You don't have permission to access this resource." |
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| 23:23.59 | g0zzy | so instead of the root of chinahousemells.co.uk it's trying to give me the root of the entire server(?) |
| 23:24.38 | nvz | do we have a metapackage for deps of building a modern kernel from upstream? |
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| 23:27.18 | nvz | last time I did this I would do something like apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package libncurses5-dev I've had to install bison, flex, ssl and elf dev packages so far.. just wondering if we had something to pull that crap in |
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| 23:28.52 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to replace a disk in an md-raid raid5, without a window of no redundancy? the only thing i can think is to assemble a raid1 with external metadata using the existing disk and then add in the new disk. then break the mirror when it's done. |
| 23:29.09 | SerajewelKS | i'd think that md-raid would have some way to replace a disk without loss of redundancy |
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| 23:30.04 | N9NU | anyone have any experience using Debian with a Yaesu FT-101dx - ARS Ops |
| 23:30.10 | SerajewelKS | nevermind, i'm dumb. mdadm --replace |
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