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| 01:09.51 | wondiws | Help, I've got a brand new HP Zbook, and I just installed Debian, but the CPU locks all the time |
| 01:11.56 | moistmoskito | hey any python programmers? |
| 01:12.10 | moistmoskito | i had this idea to turn an old MUD project into a social hangout mud |
| 01:12.27 | moistmoskito | did not know if anyone was interested in the toy project |
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| 01:13.23 | annadane | moistmoskito, maybe #python |
| 01:14.02 | moistmoskito | yea i just was askin in debian i know its a help channel but i sorta know you guys n wanted to offer some fun |
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| 01:20.44 | nvz | moistmoskito: I'm a dabbler.. |
| 01:23.26 | dka | Hi |
| 01:23.38 | dka | I have in cinnamon an icon for unified remote desktop after installing the dpkg |
| 01:23.48 | dka | If i go in startup applications I can see an entry |
| 01:23.51 | moistmoskito | nvz may i send a message direct? with info as not to flood channel? |
| 01:23.54 | dka | where can I find the startup file with the conf? |
| 01:24.09 | nvz | moistmoskito: if you want, I suppose |
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| 01:44.40 | dka | I have this file : `root@dka:/opt# sudo cat /etc/systemd/system/urserver.service`, I have removed the service with dpkg -r, can I rm this file?> i also did `systemctl disable urserver.service` |
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| 01:56.17 | alphazulu | dka: that file should have been removed unless you changed it |
| 01:57.13 | alphazulu | dka: you can do 'dpkg -S /etc/systemd/system/urserver.service' to make sure that no other installed package uses that file |
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| 02:09.50 | tds | packages shouldn't normally put services there in the first place |
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| 02:53.38 | notconnected | quick question, does dd automatically convert the filesystem of the destination? lets say im copying the root partition of my system and my brand new usb drive is ntfs formatted |
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| 02:54.37 | notconnected | or from a .img (ext4 formatted) to brand new usb stick (ntfs formatted)? |
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| 02:54.54 | dvs | notconnected, dd overwrites everything. It's going to be an "exact" copy. |
| 02:55.40 | notconnected | dvs, so dd is bit level? |
| 02:55.46 | dvs | yes |
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| 02:58.45 | notconnected | also, it will ignore the destination's size no matter what, correct? so if my root partition is 120gb and my usb stick is 256gb, that new stick becomes 120gb unless i grow/expand it? |
| 02:58.48 | notconnected | dva |
| 02:58.50 | notconnected | dvs |
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| 02:59.11 | dvs | correct |
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| 02:59.27 | raden | anyone know why postconf is not available when installing postfix via apt in buster ? |
| 02:59.34 | notconnected | makes sense |
| 03:00.02 | notconnected | thanks dvs |
| 03:00.07 | dvs | np |
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| 03:02.53 | xparanoik | this may be an odd request, but could somebody try to extract the moodle install file? https://download.moodle.org/download.php/stable38/moodle-latest-38.tgz |
| 03:03.09 | xparanoik | i get an error, and when i download the zip fille on a windows box, also have a problem |
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| 03:10.12 | PretendMatter | xparanoik: Works fine here |
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| 03:10.36 | xparanoik | that is weird, i tried it on a debian buster box and also on my debian WSL (win10) |
| 03:10.41 | xparanoik | what command did you use? |
| 03:10.49 | PretendMatter | tar -xaf |
| 03:11.06 | PretendMatter | what error do you get? |
| 03:11.39 | xparanoik | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format / tar: Child returned status 1 / tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 03:11.50 | xparanoik | i guess i used the -z flag ? |
| 03:12.01 | xparanoik | i guess because* |
| 03:12.20 | dvs | xparanoik, or drop it all together? |
| 03:12.27 | xparanoik | i get the same error with -xaf |
| 03:12.56 | dvs | with -xf ? |
| 03:13.01 | xparanoik | # tar moodle-latest-38.tgz |
| 03:13.01 | xparanoik | tar: Old option 'g' requires an argument. |
| 03:13.25 | xparanoik | same error with -xf: gzip: stdin: not in gzip format / tar: Child returned status 1 / tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 03:13.26 | whislock | That's not a valid command. |
| 03:13.35 | whislock | tar xf moodle-latest-38.tgz |
| 03:13.48 | xparanoik | whislock, same error |
| 03:14.12 | dvs | xparanoik, your version of the file is corrupt. |
| 03:14.39 | xparanoik | i downloaded it from the same URL on multiple boxes, including .zip also |
| 03:14.43 | whislock | Guys, stop. |
| 03:15.03 | whislock | moodle-latest-38.tgz: HTML document, UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines, with CRLF, LF line terminators |
| 03:15.13 | whislock | It's not an archive. That link is pulling down an HTML doc. |
| 03:16.01 | xparanoik | https://download.moodle.org/download.php/direct/stable38/moodle-latest-38.tgz is the correct URL |
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| 03:16.09 | xparanoik | thanks whislock, that was a stupid mistake |
| 03:16.37 | xparanoik | ls |
| 03:16.52 | xparanoik | welp. maybe i should go to sleep instead |
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| 03:17.54 | aaro | installing moodle? we got that at our university |
| 03:18.47 | xparanoik | yeah |
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| 03:19.01 | xparanoik | i used to run it a long time ago.. 10 years or so |
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| 03:20.39 | aaro | nice |
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| 04:01.00 | magic_ninja | can I resize active LVM? |
| 04:01.27 | magic_ninja | I'm thinking I need some free space between stuff |
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| 04:05.04 | magic_ninja | https://i.imgur.com/zbcYY3E.png |
| 04:05.13 | magic_ninja | I need to expand my root file system size |
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| 04:43.46 | nvz | magic_ninja: thats kind of the point of LVM but I never really done it before, you root partition seems plenty big enough for a desktop system |
| 04:45.06 | rander2 | anyone know a fast and unbugged light browser ? I tried falkon, and others, but all have some problems in pages rendering |
| 04:45.33 | nvz | rander2: yeah its kinda rough in that areana.. they all have their issues. .the web has just gotten out of hand |
| 04:45.54 | dgp | rander2: if it's not based on webkit you'll have rendering issues. I can't think of any webkit browsers that aren't (relatively) massive |
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| 04:47.59 | rander2 | yes, falkon take up little mamory, but is slow in the rendering |
| 04:48.33 | rander2 | I use a little netbook and the problem is visible |
| 04:49.53 | dgp | ARM based thingy? |
| 04:51.00 | rander2 | I don't know what web engine use falkon, but in the falkon banner in written : KHTML, like Gecko) Falkon/3.0.0 Chrome/65.0.3325.230 Safari/537.36 |
| 04:51.20 | rander2 | falkon 3.0 from deb10 repository |
| 04:51.40 | nvz | ,depends falcon |
| 04:51.41 | judd | No package named 'falcon' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 04:51.46 | nvz | ,depends falkon |
| 04:51.47 | judd | Package falkon in buster/amd64 -- depends: libqt5sql5-sqlite, libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libkf5wallet-bin, libkf5wallet5 (>= 4.96.0), libqt5core5a (>= 5.9.0~beta), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5network5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5positioning5 (>= 5.6.0), libqt5printsupport5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5qml5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5quick5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5quickwidgets5 (>= 5.4.0), libqt5sql5 (>= |
| 04:51.48 | judd | 5.0.2), libqt5webchannel5 (>= 5.6.1), libqt5webenginecore5 (>= 5.9.0), libqt5webenginewidgets5 (>= 5.9.0), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.7.0), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.6.0), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5), libxcb1. |
| 04:52.12 | nvz | ,ilibqtwebenginecore5 |
| 04:52.16 | nvz | ,i libqtwebenginecore5 |
| 04:52.17 | judd | No package named 'libqtwebenginecore5' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 04:52.18 | dgp | rander2: it's basically chrome |
| 04:52.27 | nvz | ,i libqt5webenginecore5 |
| 04:52.29 | rander2 | how did u found the dependence of falkon? |
| 04:52.30 | judd | Package libqt5webenginecore5 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: Web content engine library for Qt - Core. Version: 5.11.3+dfsg-2+b1; Size: 28974.7k; Installed: 102563k; Homepage: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-index.html |
| 04:52.51 | nvz | rander2: judd is a bot that operates on the Ultimate Debian Database |
| 04:53.21 | rander2 | dpg, yes but it is much more slow than chrome |
| 04:53.47 | dgp | rander2: any reason to not just use chrome or chromium? |
| 04:54.02 | rander2 | judd is a bot ? how ask to it , I knew only dpgk here |
| 04:54.38 | rander2 | dgp, 'cause I use a netbook with only 2G of ram |
| 04:54.41 | nvz | rander2: you can /msg judd depends <package> |
| 04:55.03 | nvz | judd list judd |
| 04:55.04 | judd | alternative, archs, binaries, breaks, bug, bug autobug, bug rc, bug rfs, bug rm, bug wnpp, builddep, checkbackport, checkbuilddeps, checkdeps, checkinstall, conflicts, danke, depends, enhances, file, info, maint, names, popcon, provides, recent, recommends, replaces, rprovides, src, suggests, versions, whouploads, and why |
| 04:55.22 | nvz | judd depends |
| 04:55.24 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and amd64 are used. |
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| 04:55.44 | nvz | rander2: you can do that all in a private message, see the commands, their syntax, etc |
| 04:56.08 | rander2 | and unfortunatly this netbook have a low supported video card, it use a N2600 integrated gpu |
| 04:56.12 | nvz | rander2: you can also get such information from https://packages.debian.org/ |
| 04:56.53 | rander2 | ok, thx nvz |
| 04:57.47 | rander2 | however I don't understand why falkon have rendering problems if it is based on chromium |
| 04:58.10 | nvz | ,depends chromium |
| 04:58.11 | judd | Package chromium in buster/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk-bridge2.0-0 (>= 2.5.3), libatk1.0-0 (>= 2.2.0), libatomic1 (>= 4.8), libatspi2.0-0 (>= 2.9.90), libavcodec58 (>= 7:4.0), libavformat58 (>= 7:4.1), libavutil56 (>= 7:4.0), libc6 (>= 2.28), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.9.14), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libevent-2.1-6 (>= |
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| 04:58.12 | judd | 2.1.8-stable), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libflac8 (>= 1.3.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.31.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.9.10), libharfbuzz0b (>= 2.2.0), libicu63 (>= 63.1-1~), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.5.0), libjsoncpp1 (>= 1.7.4), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.2+git20110628), libminizip1 (>= 1.1), libnspr4 (>= 2:4.9-2~), libnss3 (>= (2 more messages) |
| 04:58.34 | nvz | ,more |
| 04:58.35 | judd | 2:3.22), libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.2.0), libopus0 (>= 1.1), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpci3 (>= 1:3.5.2-1), libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libpulse0 (>= 0.99.1), libre2-5 (>= 20160901), libsnappy1v5, libstdc++6 (>= 6), libvpx5 (>= 1.6.0), libwebp6 (>= 0.5.1), libwebpdemux2 (>= 0.5.1), libwebpmux3 (>= 0.6.1-2), libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1), libx11-xcb1, libxcb1 (>= 1.6), (1 more message) |
| 04:58.45 | nvz | ,more |
| 04:58.46 | judd | libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:5.0), libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.99.3), libxrender1, libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.25), libxss1, libxtst6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.2), chromium-common (= 78.0.3904.97-1~deb10u1). |
| 04:59.03 | nvz | not even remotely the same |
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| 04:59.26 | nvz | falkon is all QT5 and uses web engine for rendering |
| 04:59.31 | annadane | spamming the channel again? tsk |
| 05:00.35 | nvz | chromium is gtk and a custom web engine called blink which is a fork of webkit |
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| 05:03.46 | nvz | other than libc6 they have absolutly nothing in common code-wise so idk who said it was based on chromium, but it doesn't appear to be the case |
| 05:03.53 | nvz | ,i falkon |
| 05:03.54 | judd | Package falkon (web, optional) in buster/amd64: lightweight web browser based on Qt WebEngine. Version: 3.0.0-3; Size: 2030.5k; Installed: 9642k; Homepage: https://userbase.kde.org/Falkon; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/falkon |
| 05:04.22 | nvz | as you can see the description of the package says its based on QT WebEngine, not Chromium or blink, or webkit |
| 05:04.47 | rander2 | now I'm going to install opera, I want try the speed of this browser |
| 05:05.55 | nvz | rander2: I wish you luck, but I lived for awhile with an orangepi lite as my only computer, and it only had 512MB ram so.. I learned the hard way you either have to try make due with what crappy browsers you can run, use other apps to access web based content, or get a better machine |
| 05:07.40 | nvz | rander2: I haven't tested this, but I noticed that a lot of older phones are still able to access the web reasonably well with less specs than works well on a computer.. so perhaps you could try a plugin that fakes your user agent and tells sites you're on mobile and view the mobile version of pages |
| 05:08.17 | nvz | cause the real problem is that the web has gotten ridiculous and apparently for the most part sites will dial it back a little if they think they're talking to a mobile device |
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| 05:09.22 | rander2 | nvz, 512ram is very low, I have 2G here, but a bad supported video card. I love the netbook 'cause they are little, the battery lasts 8-10 hours, and takes up little space. |
| 05:10.07 | nvz | rander2: yes well idk what kind of web stuff you're trying to do, but the web usually doesnt have anything to do with a video card |
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| 05:11.06 | nvz | I avoid the web as much as is possible.. make use of things like pianobar for pandora, mps-youtube for youtube, I wrote a parser for news sites that renders the articles to text without all the cookies, javascript, videos, ads, etc.. |
| 05:11.30 | rander2 | web have too many business, all have a browser inside, so web is too much heavy , with a lot of not util script, video etc.. |
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| 05:12.08 | nvz | yes thats what I'm saying :D |
| 05:12.23 | rander2 | I use the netbook expecially with ssh or to read or write code and mail, but I hate lose time |
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| 05:13.15 | nvz | speaking of the web my damn netflix profile in firefox is acting up and its a pita cause the profile is setup to display netflix totally chromeless.. so I can't very easily figure out why its just showing me a white screen cause there are no toolbars, scrollbars, etc :D |
| 05:13.16 | rander2 | and it not easy found a netbook full supported for debian, all laptop and netbook came for win |
| 05:13.28 | nvz | and of course it works fine in my normal firefox profile so.. |
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| 05:14.38 | nvz | rander2: do you really /need/ a netbook? cause in my experience with em, they suck and these days those kinda specs are not enough for the 'net' so they should just stop making those things |
| 05:15.58 | nvz | something in the ultrabook class with like a 12.5in screen or such, like the Lenovo Thinkpad X series, even as far back as 2013 like the X240 I just sold recently would handle the web and more with ease.. and is small and portable like a netbook |
| 05:16.16 | nvz | and you can get an X240 for around $100 which is what I sold mine for |
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| 05:16.48 | rander2 | nvz, th old netbook as mine yes, but the new netbook are more powerful , someone of they have the new generation on atom cpu with tdp 4-5W , but fast |
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| 05:17.14 | ZaZaGX | netbooks? |
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| 05:18.14 | rander2 | x240 cpu i5... |
| 05:18.17 | nvz | I'm sure the newer ones are better but they're still not like a x240 which is from 2013 and has a core i5 cpu and 4-12GB ram.. sells for around US$100 and with half brightness or less and wifi the WHOLE MACHINE uses about 4-5W |
| 05:18.34 | nvz | you want real performance, get a real computer :P |
| 05:19.32 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 05:21.38 | ZaZaGX | !ping |
| 05:21.38 | dpkg | Sorry zazagx, you're not online. |
| 05:22.31 | rander2 | nvz, x240 have a i5 cpu with a tdp of 15W |
| 05:22.37 | phil_azing | dpkg has a sense of humour? |
| 05:22.38 | dpkg | phil_azing: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:23.27 | ZaZaGX | dpkg, has Artificial intelligence? |
| 05:23.28 | dpkg | ZaZaGX: i don't know |
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| 05:23.43 | ZaZaGX | kind of scary |
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| 05:24.31 | phil_azing | yes, someone went to some effort to keep us amused. |
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| 05:24.47 | nvz | rander2: yes, I know.. I owned one, and I am on the T440 which is the same machine only slightly larger.. has exact same hardware under the hood |
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| 05:25.53 | nvz | if you folk would like to see more of dpkg's "sense of humor" you can /j #debian-bots or /msg the bot |
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| 05:26.50 | ZaZaGX | he doesn't talk |
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| 05:28.12 | linuxguy2020 | I cant seem to find any info on this. I installed plymouth and had spinfinity theme working and then I installed nvidia non-free drivers from the repository and then plymouth quits working. Is there a fix for this? |
| 05:28.38 | rander2 | nvz, yes I must study better the thinkpad series, but I don't want a brick |
| 05:28.52 | nvz | linuxguy2020: many desktop systems I noticed pulled in plymouth but you have to have the splash on the commandline to show it |
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| 05:29.02 | CarlFK | buster - xrandr --output DP-1 --mode 1920x1080 - how do I set that in ... xorg.conf or whatever? |
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| 05:29.31 | phil_azing | I was distracted by the bot. I thought I had a question about firewalld but I am now unsure what it is. I thought ipset source was not working but it just started to function "out of the blue" (tm) |
| 05:29.52 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: You mean in the grub.cfg? I did that and had it working prior to installing nvidia driver. |
| 05:30.40 | nvz | linuxguy2020: I mean on the kernel commandline, grub configs are auto generated if anything you'd put such things in /etc/default/grub |
| 05:31.23 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: Do you know of any web page that might explain what you are speaking of? |
| 05:32.05 | nvz | linuxguy2020: I can explain it until the cows come home.. |
| 05:32.26 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: Oh I see. I didnt realize there were two grub folders |
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| 05:35.14 | nvz | linuxguy2020: you apparently don't realize quite a bit.. thats not a grub folder.. /etc/default is kind of like a directory where administrators can set site-specific settings for things |
| 05:35.23 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" is this what you mean to add the splash after quiet there instead of /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 05:35.35 | nvz | linuxguy2020: yes, that is exactly what I mean |
| 05:35.55 | nvz | linuxguy2020: nothing in /boot/grub/ is meant to be touched.. its all auto generated |
| 05:36.13 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: Ok Im gonna go try that and come back. If it works I'll buy you a beer. |
| 05:36.28 | nvz | no thanks :P |
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| 05:38.14 | rander2 | opera is very fast |
| 05:38.33 | rander2 | slim and fast in rendering pages |
| 05:38.35 | jm_ | CarlFK: is that your panel's native resolution? |
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| 05:39.09 | CarlFK | jm_: no - native is 3840x2160 |
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| 05:39.47 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: nope no go |
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| 05:40.31 | nvz | linuxguy2020: are you sure its still enabled? |
| 05:40.33 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: Pretty sure that just made the system automatically add the splash to the grub.cfg entries. Same thing I did already. |
| 05:40.47 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: What is enabled? Plymouth? |
| 05:40.51 | nvz | that you did wrong probably |
| 05:40.58 | rander2 | what is linuxguy2020 ? |
| 05:40.59 | nvz | adding stuff to autogenerated files that get erased |
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| 05:41.20 | nvz | there are several things required for plymouth to work |
| 05:42.07 | nvz | one is the plymouth must be installed, another is the theme must be loaded into the initrd, another is that it needs to be enabled on the kernel commandline, and finally it needs a framebuffer to draw it on |
| 05:42.15 | nvz | if any one of those things isnt right, it doesnt work |
| 05:42.21 | jm_ | CarlFK: OK, this shall help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution (Setting resolution changes in xorg.conf) |
| 05:42.35 | linuxguy2020 | framebuffer is probably missing then cause I did the others |
| 05:43.16 | jm_ | CarlFK: similar info https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multihead |
| 05:43.17 | nvz | linuxguy2020: framebuffer is provided by the video card drivers |
| 05:43.39 | phil_azing | My problem with firewalld and ipset is that was not directing packets to my drop zone. Something caused it to start working but removing the ip from the ipset and then adding it back lets traffic in again. How do I find what is wrong? |
| 05:43.39 | jm_ | CarlFK: if you only have one monitor then it's simpler |
| 05:44.01 | CarlFK | jm_: yeah - only 1. I think I can get away with just 3 or 4 lines |
| 05:44.20 | CarlFK | google gave me 100's of pages.. all of them for complicated problems |
| 05:44.22 | jm_ | CarlFK: yeah then this is enough https://askubuntu.com/questions/74808/how-do-i-force-a-resolution-of-1024x768 |
| 05:44.39 | CarlFK | jm_: that's better - thanks |
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| 05:44.50 | jm_ | np |
| 05:45.18 | linuxguy2020 | nvz: Ill retry setting the default theme and regenerating initrd again |
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| 05:47.05 | jm_ | phil_azing: you can look at counters to see which rules are being hit, iptables -L -v -n will show them |
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| 05:50.07 | rander2 | I'm trying opera browser, the pages's rendering is fastest, incredible |
| 05:50.39 | nvz | yeah it worked pretty good when I'd tried it years ago.. |
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| 05:50.55 | nvz | I think I've only really tried it on a J2ME phone though |
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| 05:52.10 | jm_ | opera is not what it used to be, it's based on chrome these days |
| 05:52.40 | CarlFK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4Ms62bC7wF/ this works - anyone know if I need that many lines? makes me ... um.. edgy :p |
| 05:53.16 | CarlFK | I could start # them out and restarting until it breaks |
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| 05:55.03 | jm_ | not sure if that's the minimal set, but compared to full blown xorg.conf it's still very short |
| 05:57.01 | CarlFK | I'm doing some ansible that others will look at, so the fewer lines anyone has to digest, the better. |
| 05:58.12 | phil_azing | Ahhh. Chain INPUT starts with "ACCEPT ... ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED" and the "IN_drop ... match-set ban src" so someone hacking in is establshed. Useless. |
| 05:59.55 | phil_azing | I want to make it break existing connections, not just block new. Can firewalld do that? |
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| 06:01.02 | CarlFK | phil_azing: "it" is the problem with your request. |
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| 06:01.56 | CarlFK | firewalls don't do that. other things do |
| 06:02.49 | CarlFK | i guess that depends on the definition of firewall, which isn't well defeined. |
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| 06:05.52 | phil_azing | I am setting up fail2ban and firewalld. It seems something is missing then. fail2ban updates the rules but does not break connections. firewalld generating rules that start with accept established is not what I want. |
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| 06:10.49 | phil_azing | Can I force a fixed prefix to the INPUT chain with firewalld? |
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| 06:11.42 | phil_azing | Start with a "DROP match-set ban src" |
| 06:11.55 | jm_ | you mean for logging purposes? |
| 06:12.31 | phil_azing | No, to cause packets to drop on existing connections. |
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| 06:35.41 | SZO | Having an interesting problem on debian testing right now |
| 06:36.19 | phil_azing | So a "conntrack -D -s <ip>" in the fail2ban jail should do what I want if I can avoid a race condition. Is there a better way to ban existing connections using firewalld? |
| 06:37.42 | SZO | I have 3 monitors and the monitor connected by display port resets randomly and at random times, causing plasma task bar to close and re open on the monitor that crashed. |
| 06:37.51 | SZO | I tried multiple cards and it seems to be a software issue |
| 06:38.03 | SZO | This is my dmesg when it happens |
| 06:38.05 | SZO | https://pastebin.com/B2YEPthV |
| 06:38.22 | SZO | This is my Xorg.0.log |
| 06:38.23 | SZO | https://pastebin.com/B2YEPthV |
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| 06:39.12 | jm_ | you pasted the same URL twice |
| 06:39.25 | SZO | https://pastebin.com/HNRF1gss |
| 06:39.51 | nvz | !pastebin.com |
| 06:39.52 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo) |
| 06:40.05 | towo^work | SZO i would ask in #radeon |
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| 06:44.34 | SZO | Ok thankyou |
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| 07:03.35 | rander2 | nvz, you were right , thinkpad X series have low prices , and all mount intel cpu I5 |
| 07:04.27 | rander2 | many are reconditioned , not to compare with a netbook |
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| 07:05.46 | nvz | yes, they do not compare with a netbook.. a netbook is a tiny little toy.. those are ultrabooks.. they have real computer hardware |
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| 07:07.10 | rander2 | yes, but sometimes I use the netbook for lowest consume, I use it as a little server like a raspberry |
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| 07:08.02 | nvz | they consume less power because they perform less |
| 07:08.02 | rander2 | before the end of the year I will buy one |
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| 07:08.40 | nvz | I'm on wifi, streaming netflix keyboard fully lit up and I'm drawing like 10w power |
| 07:09.20 | rander2 | right, they aren't laptop they are netbook, but sometimes they are userful to run little programs, like web server, bot, etc... |
| 07:10.35 | rander2 | obviously with the ObC in the last time the situation is different |
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| 07:11.53 | airstorm | hey, suppose I want to backup my pgp secret keys, how would I go about doing so? |
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| 07:12.08 | rander2 | is linux well supported by thinkpad X series |
| 07:13.28 | jm_ | airstorm: is the question related to where they are stored on disk or something else? |
| 07:13.49 | shibboleth | "cmp: eof on /tmp/tmp.***** which is empty" doing dhclient from shell |
| 07:13.55 | rander2 | airstorm, copy it in a secure place |
| 07:14.09 | shibboleth | i was like... wtf first time i saw this |
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| 07:15.10 | airstorm | erm no, I was hoping for some details. Suppose the key is located inside the gpg keyring on the HDD. |
| 07:15.48 | airstorm | should I like export the secret keys with gpg or just backup the whole keyring? |
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| 07:17.16 | airstorm | and what happens, if a 3-rd person gets access to either ^^ |
| 07:17.53 | jm_ | either way should work |
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| 08:30.50 | mikjaer | Anybody know why phpmyadmin has been taken out of the repositories? |
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| 08:33.49 | annadane | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1021625/phpmyadmin-removed-from-testing/ |
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| 08:34.53 | ozzloy | ctrl+alt+s resizes the current window. how do i fix that? running gnome, don't see "ctl+alt+s" in settings > devices > keyboard > kb shortcuts. |
| 08:35.22 | ozzloy | normally i use ctl+alt+s for regex search in emacs |
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| 08:37.15 | mikjaer | annadane: So an automatic test failed, and nowbody resolved it? |
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| 09:03.33 | Tekmans_ | Hi everyone |
| 09:03.33 | Tekmans_ | I have a new Inspiron 7591, and trying to install a testing |
| 09:03.40 | Tekmans_ | But when i boot it freezes with this |
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| 09:03.48 | Tekmans_ | wmi_bus wmi_bus-PNP0C14:00: WQ data block query control method not found |
| 09:03.48 | Tekmans_ | acpi PNP0C14:03 duplicate WMI GUID .................... (first instance was on PNP0C14:02) |
| 09:03.54 | elwisp | wierdest thing. in some recent upgrade konsole started to open links in gimp and other programs. Is there a way to force it to go straight to browser systemwide for links? |
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| 09:03.58 | Tekmans_ | I had tried, pci=noapic, pci=nopaci only this last on let's it boots but freeze on login screen |
| 09:04.05 | Tekmans_ | Do someone had experience the same ? |
| 09:04.07 | Tekmans_ | thx |
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| 09:05.42 | ratrace | Tekmans_: did you typo pci=nopaci here or in the command line too? |
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| 09:06.25 | ratrace | Tekmans_: also which GPU does that thing have? |
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| 09:08.10 | jm_ | maybe also try booting without quiet |
| 09:08.55 | Tekmans_ | ratrace, no i'll try it |
| 09:09.15 | ratrace | Tekmans_: you'll try what? |
| 09:09.18 | Tekmans_ | jm_, allways without quiet until it works |
| 09:09.51 | jm_ | Tekmans_: how about acpi=off ? |
| 09:10.46 | Tekmans_ | pci=nopaci => freezed also |
| 09:11.44 | ratrace | Tekmans_: "nopaci" is not a valid entry. I asked if you typo'd that (typo = error) |
| 09:12.53 | Tekmans_ | ratrace, sorry yes it was pci=noacpi |
| 09:13.13 | Tekmans_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.23 | ratrace | Tekmans_: which GPU? |
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| 09:14.00 | Tekmans_ | i found an bios update on date of 3rd december with severity urgent |
| 09:14.11 | Tekmans_ | i wil upgrade the bios |
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| 09:15.23 | Tekmans_ | gpu is a nvidia, i had also tried nomodeset with pci=noacpi |
| 09:15.43 | Tekmans_ | it had freezed also on login screen |
| 09:16.00 | jm_ | so this is with nouveau driver? |
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| 09:24.49 | ratrace | Tekmans_: try with proprietary driver. I had experience with nouveau hanging the boot process with some errors. |
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| 09:25.48 | ratrace | Tekmans_: you can boot into console mode (no xorg) by adding "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" (without quotes) to the kernel command line. |
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| 09:39.12 | ZaZaGX | i'm using debian 10.2 right now. when ubuntu 20.04 comes out. should i switch to ubuntu? |
| 09:39.37 | Fox | why would you ? |
| 09:40.46 | ZaZaGX | it seems good |
| 09:43.59 | hjarvard | one does not simply stop distrohopping |
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| 09:47.49 | at0m | ZaZaGX: what improvement do you expect, and will it be worth your time? |
| 09:48.02 | ZaZaGX | i used to use ubuntu |
| 09:48.17 | ZaZaGX | when i switched to Debian 10, I lost like 1-2 hours of battery life |
| 09:48.39 | ZaZaGX | but debian 10 was snappy and faster, and more stable |
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| 09:49.31 | at0m | same desktop environment and all? |
| 09:50.08 | ZaZaGX | no, Ubuntu was using X |
| 09:50.15 | ZaZaGX | debian 10 uses wayland |
| 09:50.16 | at0m | apples and pears then, right |
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| 09:50.41 | ZaZaGX | ubuntu has the newer kenel thou |
| 09:50.57 | at0m | ,v linux-image |
| 09:50.58 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 09:51.17 | at0m | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:51.18 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-backports: 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.3.9-3; sid: 5.3.9-3; experimental: 5.4-1~exp1 |
| 09:51.43 | at0m | newer should be better right. anyway, whatever makes you happy. |
| 09:51.55 | ZaZaGX | i'm not sure |
| 09:52.36 | ZaZaGX | I used to get like 8 hours of battery life with Ubuntu, ever since using Debian 10, i gives me about 6 hours |
| 09:52.49 | ZaZaGX | it* |
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| 09:53.21 | colo-work | use powertop to find out why, and fix it |
| 09:53.35 | colo-work | you can get "fresh" kernel images for Debian from backports |
| 09:53.43 | colo-work | (or build them yourself and produce a compatible .deb) |
| 09:53.44 | at0m | could be something silly like powersavings settings, cpufreq scaling,.. |
| 09:53.50 | at0m | yea, powertop |
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| 09:54.33 | at0m | or maybe your battery is just wearing =) |
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| 09:54.44 | ZaZaGX | i believe kernel 5.0 gives me better battery life |
| 09:55.03 | at0m | then get it from backports |
| 09:55.06 | at0m | !bpo |
| 09:55.06 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 09:55.35 | ZaZaGX | isn't that against the debian code of conducts? |
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| 09:56.58 | at0m | hmm no. if you want/need it, it's there to try. and installing 5.x next to 4.19 still allows you to switch between them between reboots. so, easier to find out if 5.x will help you than to reinstall all the machine |
| 09:57.01 | horseshoecrab | i really need to grok backports properly at some stage |
| 09:57.09 | horseshoecrab | still got an old g3 mac (32-bit) |
| 09:57.15 | at0m | =) |
| 09:57.20 | horseshoecrab | wonder if backports can keep that old beast going for a bit longer... |
| 09:57.51 | ZaZaGX | isn't it called a frankendebian? |
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| 09:58.07 | dka | Hi |
| 09:58.09 | dka | I have issue with Debian |
| 09:58.20 | at0m | dpkg: tell ZaZaGX about frankendebian |
| 09:59.01 | dka | When I launch application, such as org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system, I keep getting prompt to authenticate with a password. The problem is (1) I'd like to remove the password for me, (2) the password requested is not mine, it is the one from the user created on debian 1st installation. How can I do please ? |
| 09:59.43 | Fox | ZaZaGX: using backports isn't frankendebianing, mixing stable and testing is, for example |
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| 09:59.49 | at0m | ZaZaGX: sure you're not suffering SNS syndrome? |
| 10:00.06 | ZaZaGX | whats SNS? |
| 10:00.14 | at0m | Shiny New Sh!t |
| 10:00.19 | ZaZaGX | ohh |
| 10:00.32 | ZaZaGX | i do like shiny things and new things |
| 10:00.34 | at0m | "it's newer it's gonna solve all my problems" |
| 10:00.44 | ZaZaGX | but i want stablity |
| 10:00.45 | at0m | while really it brings just other new probles |
| 10:01.22 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 10:01.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-3); bullseye: 5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-3); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 10:01.24 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
| 10:01.36 | at0m | ZaZaGX: anyways, the bpo kernel is easy to try and doesnt reuire you to spend days installing and reconfiguring a fresh installation |
| 10:01.36 | ZaZaGX | well i think ubuntu 20.04 in april 23, 2020, might be the best of both worlds |
| 10:01.45 | jelly-home | ZaZaGX: there's 5.3 kernel for debian 10 in buster-backports repo |
| 10:01.55 | jelly-home | !buster-backports |
| 10:01.56 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
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| 10:02.21 | ZaZaGX | isn't it easier just to upgrade to debian 11 (testing)? |
| 10:02.35 | jelly | no |
| 10:02.36 | at0m | definately SNS^^ |
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| 10:03.56 | at0m | ZaZaGX: ok to get back on your original issue. 25% less battery life. run powertop, and see what that can help you to improve that. |
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| 10:04.33 | ZaZaGX | well, i don't want to switch distros. i keep formatting many times and reinstalling os's |
| 10:04.44 | at0m | it's a sport. |
| 10:05.02 | ZaZaGX | not a fun sport |
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| 10:05.29 | at0m | like roulette, trying to regain what's lost |
| 10:05.50 | at0m | while could have kept the money in your pocket the first time. |
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| 10:06.04 | at0m | anyways, powertop |
| 10:06.34 | ZaZaGX | oh i logged into su |
| 10:06.35 | at0m | let it run, see what you can improve with that, and re-asses in a week |
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| 10:07.19 | ZaZaGX | how am i supposed to read it? |
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| 10:08.44 | centrix | Is Debian's supporting non passthrough TPM type in QEMU-KVM? |
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| 10:11.03 | at0m | ZaZaGX: a tl;dr for 'man powertop': first, "powertop --calibrate". after some time, run powertop plainly and let it suggest stuff. if you're really lazy, "powertop --auto-tune" |
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| 10:15.48 | dka | When I launch application, such as org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system, I keep getting prompt to authenticate with a password. The problem is (1) I'd like to remove the password for me, (2) the password requested is not mine, it is the one from the user created on debian 1st installation. How can I do please ? |
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| 10:24.23 | xendron | i have issues connecting via sftp with public key. the sftp server is debian. is this the correct place to ask about this? |
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| 10:31.51 | at0m | xendron: sure |
| 10:32.52 | xendron | a user which has sftp only access to the server, can authenticate with passw, but public key is not working. |
| 10:33.25 | at0m | xendron: and his pubkey is in authorized_keys for that user? |
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| 10:34.02 | xendron | that is correct |
| 10:34.28 | xendron | shall i send you the -verbose output of the connection attempt? |
| 10:34.36 | at0m | usually, put the id_rsa.pub there, then cat id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:34.43 | at0m | !paste |
| 10:34.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:36.34 | at0m | xendron: and /etc/ssh/sshd_config has "PubkeyAuthentication yes" ? |
| 10:36.44 | at0m | by default, it should |
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| 10:37.53 | xendron | it has the PubKeyAuthentication enabled |
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| 10:38.41 | xendron | http://paste.debian.net/1119409/ |
| 10:39.54 | xendron | i have temporarily put my pubkey in authorized_keys on the sftp server and tried to pub key authenticate, and in the paste is the output |
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| 10:42.01 | at0m | xendron: line 10 and 91 there indicate you try to login as root but "no such identity: /root/.ssh/id_dsa" |
| 10:42.34 | at0m | so, either specify the key you want to use instead, or make sure that exists |
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| 10:43.09 | at0m | or, make sure you log in as the correct user |
| 10:44.22 | xendron | the sftp login command for that output is: sftp -vvv JAM_Advisors_usr@IP |
| 10:44.52 | at0m | and you issue that as root on the client machine |
| 10:45.02 | at0m | ? |
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| 10:45.17 | xendron | i am logged in as root where i try to make the sftp connection, and here is the .ssh data: |
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| 10:45.40 | at0m | i'm only wondering why it's looking for /root/.ssh/id_dsa (you probably shouldn't, unless you have good reason) |
| 10:45.55 | xendron | http://paste.debian.net/1119410/ |
| 10:46.30 | xendron | it is looking for a pirvate key in root, bbecause i am logged in on the client with root |
| 10:47.10 | at0m | and that last paste is on client machine, i assume? |
| 10:47.14 | xendron | yes |
| 10:48.06 | at0m | so client's id_rsa.pub should go in the server's machine authorized_keys, right |
| 10:48.23 | xendron | correct |
| 10:49.03 | at0m | on server, in /home/JAM_Advisors_usr/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 10:49.20 | at0m | since that's where you want to log in to |
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| 10:50.15 | xendron | i have a chroot for JAM-Advisors_usr in sshd_config, (/sftp_data/JAM) and the pub key is in /sftp_data/JAM/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:50.26 | jm_ | you can use ssh-copy-id to setup pubkey stuff |
| 10:50.44 | xendron | no jm_, it is sftp only connection |
| 10:51.43 | at0m | xendron: and does the sshd look for the key in the chroot? |
| 10:52.10 | xendron | at0m.. how can i make sure of this? |
| 10:52.10 | at0m | cos it would default to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 10:53.07 | at0m | xendron: in sshd_config on the server, "AuthorizedKeysFile /sftp_data/JAM/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
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| 10:53.36 | at0m | i think you can add that to the default "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 10:53.50 | at0m | like, one line after the other |
| 10:55.02 | xendron | sorry, i forgot, i already have that line "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 10:55.20 | at0m | xendron: for failsafe, always keep a connection to the sshd open when changing sshd_config. in case you break stuff, you can undo |
| 10:56.00 | at0m | xendron: right. below that line, add the sftp_data path |
| 10:56.30 | xendron | you mean like this: "AuthorizedKeysFile /sftp_data/JAM/.ssh/authorized_keys" ? |
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| 10:56.45 | at0m | i think so. |
| 10:56.52 | at0m | not familiar with chroots like that |
| 10:57.06 | xendron | wont that override the previous AuthorizedKeysFile declaration? |
| 10:57.44 | at0m | no, sshd_config allows for such multiple declarations (say, different port lines) |
| 10:58.14 | at0m | i only hope skipping the %h doesn't allow traversal of users |
| 10:58.42 | at0m | one user logging in as another etc |
| 10:58.50 | xendron | it worked!!! explicitly mentioning the full path did the trick (no idea why %h/... wasn't sufficient) |
| 10:59.12 | xendron | authentication with pubkey was successfull. ty very much at0m |
| 10:59.17 | at0m | xendron: since the JAM user lives in the chroot, not in %h "home" |
| 10:59.21 | at0m | xendron: hold on |
| 11:00.01 | at0m | now try loggin in as root using that same key. i hope that doesn't work. "sftp -vvv root@IP" |
| 11:00.25 | at0m | or you would have totally given remote jam user root rights |
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| 11:00.59 | at0m | see, this line you added could overshoot quite a bit |
| 11:02.10 | at0m | since authkeys is now hardpath, not in %h, user's home |
| 11:02.13 | xendron | at0m, i have removed the line "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" already from the default, and movid it in the 'Match' block for the group to which JAM_Advisors_usr belongs, and it still works. |
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| 11:03.01 | at0m | xendron: oh. that's one line i would leave, "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" makes sure you can log in as any other user which has such file |
| 11:03.05 | at0m | .. in its home |
| 11:03.29 | at0m | and move the /sftp_data/JAM/.ssh/authorized_keys to Match block |
| 11:03.30 | at0m | hmm |
| 11:03.39 | xendron | (i double checked by logging in with root, and it didn't work). i also removed JAM_Advisors_usr's pubkey from authorized_keys file to make sure they can't login at the moment. |
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| 11:04.01 | at0m | right, good you check |
| 11:04.23 | xendron | that's one line i would leave, "AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys" yes, did that already to replace the hard path |
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| 11:04.50 | at0m | right, that's a sensible default |
| 11:04.59 | xendron | at0m, thanks again so much.. if you would live closeby, i'd buy a beer! |
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| 11:05.45 | at0m | i was only worried the hard path would allow the ssh client to log in as any user |
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| 11:05.54 | at0m | ok Match block sorts that |
| 11:05.58 | at0m | i don't drink, so we're both lucky o/ |
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| 11:06.08 | xendron | neither do i :) |
| 11:06.17 | at0m | =) |
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| 13:43.32 | Ingvix | hey, I'd like to have some general opinion on whether support for dual-gpu is mature enough, in debian or linux in general, to actually buy a laptop with intel and nvidia gpus with the intention of installing linux on it. I'm considering Thinkpad P50 |
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| 13:44.38 | Ingvix | *opinions |
| 13:45.11 | mguy | I have one of those |
| 13:45.12 | Ingvix | *to get |
| 13:45.50 | Ingvix | mguy, how's it working? Can you change graphic card on the fly yet? |
| 13:46.54 | mguy | I don't really do anything that 'needs' the GPU, but multiple monitors and stuff works just fine |
| 13:47.24 | mguy | I mainly bought it because I could add 64GB RAM, 2 NVME drives and 1 SATA drive |
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| 13:48.26 | n-st | hi, i've discovered a vulnerability in gnome dia, and my proposed fix has been merged upstream. what can i do to get that update into the package repositories? (i assume that would be the debian-security repo?) |
| 13:50.07 | Ingvix | I sometimes play some games so I'd really like to know how's the graphic card switching doing |
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| 14:02.16 | Ingvix | well it seems that at least P50's nvidia gpu has the support for PRIME Render Offload so in theory I should be good to go |
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| 14:06.41 | gravitos | is back |
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| 14:08.18 | gravitos | so. I am using a vnc connection to operate with my Debian, and when I do, there are a bug in Chromium so I can't write in Chromium in languages other than English, but I need to. |
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| 14:16.40 | karlpinc | gravitos: If you point us to the bug number perhaps someone has a work-around. |
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| 14:17.11 | karlpinc | gravitos: Otherwise no one can help without specifics. |
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| 14:17.37 | karlpinc | n-st: File a bug marked "security". |
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| 14:17.46 | karlpinc | n-st: For dia. |
| 14:18.16 | karlpinc | n-st: With debian. |
| 14:18.19 | karlpinc | !reportbug |
| 14:18.19 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
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| 14:18.59 | gravitos | karlpinc: which bug number do you need? |
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| 14:20.03 | karlpinc | I'm curious if debian ever supports more than one major python3 version at a time. Searching packages debian.org for python3 is not helpful. My guess is no, but what's the right way to find out? |
| 14:20.14 | karlpinc | gravitos: The bug number of the bug in chromium. |
| 14:20.37 | greycat | ,v python3 |
| 14:20.38 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; bullseye: 3.7.5-1; sid: 3.7.5-3; experimental: 3.8.0-2 |
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| 14:22.17 | karlpinc | greycat: Yeah. But I figure (maybe) that gives me only the latest version available for each release. Should there be 2 python3 versions available for a single release would that show both? I'm not thinking point/bugfix releases, but feature releases. E.g. 3.5 and 3.7. |
| 14:22.26 | gravitos | karlpinc: and where do I need to look for that number? |
| 14:22.35 | karlpinc | gravitos: bugs.debian.org |
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| 14:23.08 | greycat | karlpinc: are you asking "what happens if I am on buster which has python3.7 and I try to install stretch's python3.5 package"? I don't know. You could TIAS. |
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| 14:23.34 | themill | karlpinc: it does -- python 3.7 and 3.8 are both supported interpreters in bullseye/sid right now |
| 14:23.44 | gravitos | nevermind, midori is working better. |
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| 14:24.15 | themill | Stable releases normally don't go out with more than one interpreter though |
| 14:24.29 | greycat | Ah, I actually do have python3.5 and python3.7 because of the dist-upgrade. |
| 14:24.42 | karlpinc | themill: That's what I was curious about. But how can you tell? (Preferably without installing.) |
| 14:25.10 | karlpinc | greycat: My suspicion is that 3.5 won't get updates because it's left over from stretch. |
| 14:25.22 | greycat | quite right, unless you add a stretch source |
| 14:25.34 | karlpinc | greycat: That sounds like trouble. |
| 14:25.54 | greycat | It should be safe. |
| 14:26.52 | themill | karlpinc: the presence of the pythonX.Y package in the release; the output of py3versions -s |
| 14:27.38 | onbes | Hi there. I configured auditd to log when syscall memfd_create is executed. "auditctl -a always,exit -F arch=b32 -S memfd_create -k memFill" and tested with a simple c progam. used strace so verify the execution memfd_create. So when I check /var/log/audit/audit.log I cannot see log. Any ideas?:( |
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| 14:52.35 | ChrisH | Using Network Manager I want to avoid Wifi to connect when LAN is active. I tried with changing prio in common stanza while editing the connection. Did not succeed. google research was not successfull. Is that possible? If yes, how? |
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| 14:57.58 | badagent | Is there any reason / advantage why in sources.list "http://security.debian.org/debian-security" is used in a fresh install instead of "http://security.debian.org/" ? |
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| 15:00.31 | themill | yes, it plays better with the cdn, mirroring and archiving |
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| 15:01.11 | badagent | ah ok, thanks. But no difference in content, right? |
| 15:02.56 | themill | correct |
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| 15:04.30 | badagent | thanks! |
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| 15:24.25 | MaxFrames | hi |
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| 15:25.06 | MaxFrames | I'm almost finished setting up a new debian 10 server from the grounds up; I need now to install an mta to send mail from the system (and just for that); eg. arpwatch needs to send mail |
| 15:25.20 | MaxFrames | do you suggest I install sendmail, or is there something better nowadays? |
| 15:25.36 | greycat | exim4 is the default choice in Debian, but postfix is also quite popular |
| 15:25.55 | MaxFrames | oh ok, so exim4 is already installed normally? |
| 15:26.05 | greycat | The most important thing is to choose the one *you* prefer, or that *you* decide is right. |
| 15:26.14 | jelly | MaxFrames: are you going to need delivery to local users? |
| 15:26.19 | greycat | exim4 is brought in if some package depends on an MTA and there isn't already one installed |
| 15:26.34 | MaxFrames | I have no previous experience, or better said I don't remember what I did years ago, so I really have no personal opinion |
| 15:27.08 | MaxFrames | jelly: local users as in "users logged on to the server"? not really; I need smtp |
| 15:27.14 | jelly | MaxFrames: second, do you already have a dedicated outgoing smtp server close to this one to send mail over, or do you plan to send mail directly to some remote address over the internet? |
| 15:27.50 | MaxFrames | I can use our corporate smtp server |
| 15:27.59 | MaxFrames | no need to set up a local smtp server on the box |
| 15:28.27 | MaxFrames | now that you mentioned it, I *think* I was using exim4 on the old box |
| 15:28.52 | jelly | MaxFrames: if you have no preference, and the company does not already have best practices about choosing a MTA, you can use a tiny null mailer MTA, like msmtp-mta or dma |
| 15:29.53 | MaxFrames | do all the mtas symlink to /usr/lib/sendmail? 'cause that is where arpwatch is trying to locate an mta |
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| 15:30.58 | jelly | MaxFrames: yes they do. |
| 15:31.15 | jelly | MaxFrames: it's /usr/sbin/sendmail on debian actually, but yes |
| 15:31.54 | jelly | I'm pretty sure debian's packaging of arpwatch will also try the right path. |
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| 15:32.16 | jelly | (/usr/lib/sendmail is a 20+ years old legacy path) |
| 15:33.01 | greycat | /usr/lib/sendmail should simply be a symlink to /usr/sbin/sendmail for backward compat |
| 15:34.03 | jelly | I honestly do not remember whether Debian got rid of that particular bit of history |
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| 15:34.39 | jelly | dma: /usr/lib/sendmail # seems not |
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| 15:34.44 | greycat | huh, one of mine actually has /usr/lib/sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
| 15:34.54 | greycat | not what I would've chosen |
| 15:35.00 | nvz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Sep 27 12:09 /usr/lib/sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
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| 15:38.48 | jelly | postfix package links to ../sbin/sendmail, but dma does ../sbin/dma just like exim |
| 15:38.58 | greycat | yay consistency |
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| 15:44.48 | MaxFrames | I've decided to go for exim4 because I've determined that was what I was using before |
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| 15:57.04 | dvs | a password! |
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| 16:10.56 | MaxFrames | jeez... arpwatch won't cooperate. I've set up everything; arpwatch works; exim4 works; but whenever arpwatch is supposed to send mail to foo@outlook.it, it instead sends it to root@myserver (as shown by exim4's mainlog) |
| 16:11.57 | MaxFrames | I've configured /etc/arpwatch.conf with a single line: "eth0 -m foo@outlook.it" so that is the address it should be sending mail to |
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| 16:12.53 | MaxFrames | I've started arpwatch on eth0 ("systemctl start arpwatch@eth0) and checked it is running ("ps -ef | grep arpwatch") |
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| 16:13.58 | MaxFrames | I've checked that it is actually detecting hosts on the network ("systemctl status arpwatch@eth0") and trying to send mail accordingly ("nano /var/log/exim4/mainlog") |
| 16:14.01 | greycat | I don't see "conf" anywhere in https://manpages.debian.org/buster/arpwatch/arpwatch.8.en.html and the only FILES it talks about are elsewhere |
| 16:14.20 | NetTerminalGene | guys, mozilla knows firefox mainstream is in bad shape. firefox 68 mainstream and ather newer versions tracking protection doesn't work. but magically debian's 68 esr is fine |
| 16:14.34 | NetTerminalGene | mozilla fucked it up |
| 16:14.41 | NetTerminalGene | they dropped quality |
| 16:14.46 | MaxFrames | greycat: yeah, I think that it's not looking where I thought it was looking |
| 16:14.47 | greycat | A problem? In a web browser? No way! |
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| 16:15.27 | NetTerminalGene | the point is mozilla know this and doesn't fix their mainstream |
| 16:15.50 | greycat | what do you want us to do about it? |
| 16:15.57 | NetTerminalGene | cry |
| 16:16.12 | MaxFrames | for sure, with debian 7 arpwatch is looking in /etc/arpwatch.conf; maybe it no longer does it in debian 10, but then how do I configure its options? |
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| 16:16.55 | MaxFrames | perhaps it no longer has any option and all the parameters must be included when starting the service? :X |
| 16:17.06 | greycat | https://manpages.debian.org/wheezy/arpwatch/arpwatch.8.en.html doesn't show it either... wonder if it's just undocumented |
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| 16:17.59 | greycat | It says -m addr is an option to the actual daemon itself. What options is your daemon running with? |
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| 16:19.00 | greycat | also, https://sources.debian.org/src/arpwatch/2.1a15-7/debian/etc/README/ |
| 16:19.03 | MaxFrames | "systemctl start arpwatch@eth0" won't accept a "-m" option |
| 16:19.28 | MaxFrames | uh, this could be the key |
| 16:21.16 | greycat | since wheezy was pre-systemd, it's quite possible that the init.d script used in wheezy's arpwatch was reading options from /etc/arpwatch.conf (although /etc/default/arpwatch would have been a more traditional place for them) |
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| 16:21.34 | Me3kAndroid | Kluf4atR!@% |
| 16:21.47 | greycat | another password? |
| 16:22.23 | Me3kAndroid | damn ... window popped up when i was in the middle of identofying |
| 16:22.36 | Me3kAndroid | was th wrong password |
| 16:22.44 | MaxFrames | another password that can never be used anywhere anymore :P |
| 16:23.05 | Me3kAndroid | yeo |
| 16:23.09 | Me3kAndroid | yep |
| 16:23.45 | MaxFrames | greycat: you're the man! solved! =) |
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| 16:25.15 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: yes, firefox is becoming more and more bloated/bugged, but sadly there are no alternatives with same features/security/privacy |
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| 16:26.01 | trek00 | MaxFrames: you should add -m address to ARGS inside /etc/default/arpwatch |
| 16:26.13 | greycat | that sounds like a wheezy thing |
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| 16:26.22 | NetTerminalGene | trek00, how do you explain firefox 68 and newer ones have that bug but 68 esr doesn't have? |
| 16:26.27 | MaxFrames | it actually is working without that now |
| 16:26.35 | greycat | NetTerminalGene: what bug are you even talking about? |
| 16:26.44 | MaxFrames | https://sources.debian.org/src/arpwatch/2.1a15-7/debian/etc/README/ => this was the solution |
| 16:27.00 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, sometimes tracking protection stops working randomly |
| 16:27.15 | NetTerminalGene | and if you are luck, it starts blocking again |
| 16:27.26 | NetTerminalGene | lucky* |
| 16:27.26 | MaxFrames | it's 95% done now. still to configure unattended upgrades, and check that all the services run automatically at boot |
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| 16:27.51 | trek00 | NetTerminalGene: ESR versions are more conservative, like don't requires pulseaudio or similar unfeatures :) |
| 16:27.53 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, but not debian version |
| 16:28.04 | karlpinc | MaxFrames: The other thing to check when you have problems is the readme.debian. FYI. |
| 16:28.08 | greycat | so, talk to #firefox |
| 16:28.14 | karlpinc | !tell MaxFrames about readme.debian |
| 16:28.56 | MaxFrames | thanks |
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| 16:31.43 | NetTerminalGene | mr robot uses iceweasel |
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| 16:34.25 | MaxFrames | any tutorial online on how to configure unattended-upgrades on buster? |
| 16:34.58 | greycat | is there a README file in /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/ ? |
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| 16:35.45 | MaxFrames | no |
| 16:35.55 | MaxFrames | but there is a NEWS.Debian.gz compressed file there |
| 16:35.58 | greycat | the stretch one has a README.md.gz |
| 16:36.12 | MaxFrames | right, sorry |
| 16:36.20 | MaxFrames | was looking for a readme.debian* |
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| 16:38.56 | karlpinc | MaxFrames: There isn't always a README.Debian. Only when there's something special about using the package on debian. |
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| 16:39.22 | dvs | waits for port1024 password again... |
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| 16:40.38 | trek00 | 1234 |
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| 16:41.14 | MaxFrames | based on what I read on that readme, and on ps -ef | grep unattended-upgrades, I shall say that unattended upgrades are enabled by default! i.e. out of the box buster auto installs security updates? |
| 16:41.44 | greycat | only if you install unattended-upgrades |
| 16:41.55 | MaxFrames | which is now installed by default, it appears |
| 16:41.57 | greycat | (which is brought in as a dependency by some of the desktop environments) |
| 16:42.16 | MaxFrames | I installed buster with the default settings, so gnome |
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| 16:45.01 | MaxFrames | well everything seems in working order and this baby is ready to replace granddad. thanks a bunch to anyone who helped! |
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| 17:08.51 | brieweb | what happened to openjdk 8 in Debian buster? |
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| 17:10.11 | trek00 | brieweb: it was superseded by openjdk 11 |
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| 17:11.21 | brieweb | yeah, but opendjk 11 changed a bunch of stuff |
| 17:12.09 | brieweb | well, I guess I have my answer. |
| 17:12.16 | trek00 | brieweb: I think Oracle ceased support for openjdk 8 |
| 17:12.27 | brieweb | oh |
| 17:14.15 | trek00 | brieweb: may be you can install directly from the oracle website |
| 17:14.36 | brieweb | ok |
| 17:14.48 | WoC` | WHICH PACKAGE PROVIDES DEBUILD ? |
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| 17:14.57 | WoC` | opps sorry, |
| 17:15.00 | greycat | ,file bin/debuild |
| 17:15.09 | judd | Search for bin/debuild in buster/amd64: devscripts: usr/bin/debuild |
| 17:15.38 | WoC` | is the source available, if there is no deb package for it ? |
| 17:15.53 | greycat | judd just told you which package it's in |
| 17:16.03 | greycat | and yes, the source is also available |
| 17:16.08 | WoC` | ah, devscripts |
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| 17:16.18 | WoC` | ty |
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| 17:16.47 | Beerus | They used to call it sandbagging... |
| 17:17.14 | brieweb | I went to the adopt openjdk |
| 17:17.25 | brieweb | is there a java package builder? |
| 17:17.50 | somiaj | ,i java-package |
| 17:17.51 | judd | Package java-package (contrib/misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Utility for creating Java Debian packages. Version: 0.62; Size: 22.2k; Installed: 72k |
| 17:18.13 | brieweb | ok, java-package? |
| 17:18.40 | somiaj | that should take an upstream orcale java .bin or .tar and make a debian package from it. You could also just install it in /opt and setup your JAVA_HOME correctly |
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| 17:37.13 | gregorio2020 | i didn;'t setup luke encryption when i installed debian. is it possible to activate encription now ? |
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| 17:37.53 | whislock | gregorio2020: No, as it would require repartitioning. |
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| 17:38.29 | cek | how do I import updated gpg key into apt? |
| 17:38.37 | cek | Err:1 http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian jessie InRelease |
| 17:38.37 | cek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.46 | cek | # gpg --list-keys 0x8C718D3B5072E1F5 |
| 17:38.46 | cek | pub dsa1024 2003-02-03 [SCA] [expires: 2022-02-16] |
| 17:39.01 | jelly | gregorio2020: nothing automatic. It's doable, but a bit involved, and in general requires basically doing a backup, reformat with luks and restore. |
| 17:39.29 | gregorio2020 | i see, fuk it then. thx anyways |
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| 17:40.42 | jelly | cek: which debian release is this, really Debian 8? |
| 17:41.17 | cek | i hate debian. |
| 17:41.26 | cek | it's 9 at least. |
| 17:42.17 | jelly | cek: then maybe, first set up the right repo for your debian release and check if that has better gpg signage |
| 17:42.42 | cek | it has the right sig! the key has been updated as I showed |
| 17:43.35 | cek | all these jessie wheezy are confusing as hell |
| 17:43.44 | jelly | yes they are |
| 17:43.48 | jelly | !release history |
| 17:43.48 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 17:44.42 | jelly | so you probably ought to point apt at a more appropriate branch on repo.mysql.com |
| 17:45.13 | cek | http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease is pretty much update. the sig is using an updated key. Why is apt complainig? |
| 17:45.17 | jelly | cek: as for getting the key to apt, gpg --export 8C718D3B5072E1F5 | apt-key add - |
| 17:45.25 | cek | gpg --list-keys 0x8C718D3B5072E1F5 |
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| 17:45.29 | cek | pub dsa1024 2003-02-03 [SCA] [expires: 2022-02-16] |
| 17:45.32 | cek | expires: 2022-02-16 |
| 17:45.34 | cek | expires: 2022 |
| 17:45.42 | jelly | cek: any repo mentioning "jessie" is not right for Debian 9, jessie is Debian 8 |
| 17:45.43 | cek | 22 |
| 17:45.46 | cek | it's now 18 |
| 17:45.47 | cek | 19 |
| 17:45.58 | cek | 19 < 22 |
| 17:46.15 | cek | Why the error: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG |
| 17:46.19 | cek | 19 < 22 |
| 17:46.27 | jelly | waits until cek reads the lines |
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| 17:46.35 | whislock | key != key signature |
| 17:46.38 | whislock | And stop spamming. |
| 17:46.44 | whislock | A key that signed that key has expired. |
| 17:46.56 | cek | what are you talking about whislock |
| 17:47.06 | whislock | I was very clear with what I just said. |
| 17:47.13 | whislock | A key that signed the key you're looking at has expired. |
| 17:47.18 | jelly | also, DSA keys of 1024 size are rather insecure |
| 17:47.20 | whislock | The key is not the same as a key signature. |
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| 17:47.33 | jelly | but that probably should return a different error |
| 17:47.36 | cek | I don't get it. Key that signed key has expired? |
| 17:47.45 | cek | How come a key can sign a key that extends into future? |
| 17:47.46 | whislock | Yes. |
| 17:47.52 | whislock | What? |
| 17:47.57 | cek | this is a fucked up security. |
| 17:48.00 | whislock | You have no idea how PGP/GPG works, do you. |
| 17:48.09 | cek | of course I do. DID you read above? |
| 17:48.13 | cek | expires: 2022-02-16] |
| 17:48.14 | jelly | cek: does the error change wen you add the key? |
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| 17:48.15 | greycat | I agree with whislock |
| 17:48.23 | cek | greycat: explain. |
| 17:48.26 | whislock | cek: That confirms that you have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 17:48.45 | cek | what is an expires in --list-keys? |
| 17:48.46 | whislock | The key's expiry date has no bearing on when other keys expire. If someone else's key that signed that key has expired, then you'll get a key signature expired error. |
| 17:49.14 | cek | I got that, that's why I asked the question > How come a key can sign a key that extends into future? |
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| 17:49.27 | greycat | ALL keys "extend into the future". |
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| 17:49.38 | whislock | You're conflating X.509 certificate practices into PGP-land. That's a mistake. |
| 17:49.42 | cek | no public CA in whole world will issue a cert that's past its expiration date |
| 17:49.47 | whislock | ^ |
| 17:49.47 | greycat | Why would anyone bother to sign a key that's already expired? |
| 17:49.50 | whislock | Ding ding ding, called it. |
| 17:50.02 | whislock | cek: PGP is not a tree-like CA structure like you're thinking. |
| 17:50.30 | whislock | Sometime in the past, the owner of that signing key applied a signature to the key you're looking at. That key has since expired. |
| 17:50.41 | cek | how do I see the key that signed the key? |
| 17:50.50 | whislock | It already told you which key. |
| 17:50.55 | whislock | The error includes the key ID. |
| 17:51.31 | cek | 8C718D3B5072E1F5 has not expired |
| 17:51.45 | cek | how do I see the key that signed the key 8C718D3B5072E1F5? |
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| 17:52.30 | cek | And again, I repeat, http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease file has 14oct 2019 date in it. It's impossible they used wrong key. |
| 17:52.46 | cek | I'd understand if that included a date from 2017 or 2018, but not 1 month ago. |
| 17:52.48 | jelly | cek: regardless of how pgp keys and signatures work, do you see the same 5072E1F5 key in "apt-key list"? |
| 17:53.26 | cek | no. |
| 17:53.49 | jelly | cek: so add it. |
| 17:53.56 | cek | thus, we're back to my first question: cek> how do I import updated gpg key into apt? |
| 17:54.07 | jelly | [18:45] <jelly> cek: as for getting the key to apt, gpg --export 8C718D3B5072E1F5 | apt-key add - |
| 17:54.19 | section1 | lol |
| 17:54.27 | cek | `apt update` completed successfully |
| 17:54.58 | cek | Which means only 1 thing: your entire blanket of conversation was wrong regarding sigs and expirations. |
| 17:55.06 | cek | jelly is da man. |
| 17:55.18 | jelly | cek: consider fixing the sources.list entry to point at the builds that are optimal for your distro release |
| 17:55.28 | cek | jelly: I will. |
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| 17:56.41 | B|ack0p | hi |
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| 17:57.06 | whislock | cek: Not really. But I have neither the time nor the inclination to teach you the basic concepts behind PGP. It's great that jelly helped you fix your immediate issue, but you're still clueless on the whole. |
| 17:57.25 | jelly | whislock: this channel isn't ##PGP |
| 17:57.47 | B|ack0p | what s PGP? |
| 17:57.52 | cek | whislock: just understand and admit that you were wrong entire time you were trying to "teach" me about pgp |
| 17:58.15 | cek | they key has been updated, gpg got the new key, it was just apt that had the old key. |
| 17:58.17 | whislock | It's a beer term. Pretty good pint. |
| 17:58.26 | jelly | !pgp |
| 17:58.27 | dpkg | Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) is a <non-free> public-key encryption program, previously packaged for Debian as pgp-i and pgp-us. Superseded by the GNU Privacy Guard (GPG), ask me about <gpg>. |
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| 17:58.47 | whislock | Also that. |
| 17:58.59 | B|ack0p | hmmm |
| 17:59.17 | cek | It also doesn't matter who signed the key , because it's been imported and set as trusted. |
| 17:59.19 | annadane | pgp is non-free, really? |
| 17:59.36 | cek | nothing is free in this world |
| 17:59.44 | B|ack0p | is it pretty cute? :p |
| 17:59.47 | whislock | PGP, the program, is. OpenPGP, the standard, is not. GnuPG, the OpenPGP implementation, is not. |
| 17:59.49 | B|ack0p | cek: agree.. |
| 18:00.04 | jelly | the standards for encryption that PGP and GnuPG both implement are called OpenPGP now I think. |
| 18:00.05 | B|ack0p | i remember created a key with openpgp once |
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| 18:00.28 | whislock | RFC 4880, iirc |
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| 18:00.52 | EdePopede | at least it's not export controlled anymore or is it again? |
| 18:01.02 | whislock | That hasn't been the case for almost 20 years. |
| 18:01.14 | jelly | gnupg (gpg) is free and included in Debian |
| 18:01.59 | jelly | using the DFSG definition for free of course |
| 18:04.19 | annadane | "to encrypt this file, please pay $5" |
| 18:05.06 | jelly | encryption is free. |
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| 18:17.09 | JyZyXEL | the encryption as a service -model |
| 18:17.33 | annadane | i mean that's literally ransomware |
| 18:22.57 | nkuttler | if you have no backups randomware is probably better than a failed disk \o/ |
| 18:23.03 | nkuttler | ransomware even |
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| 18:23.34 | whislock | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dontdothis (randomware) |
| 18:23.46 | cek | Next question. I'm getting endless red screen of lines of `E: Can't find a source to download version '5.7.24-1debian8' of 'mysql-community-server:amd64' ` |
| 18:24.06 | cek | I've disabled mysql repo now, but still getting that |
| 18:24.13 | nkuttler | cek: run apt update |
| 18:24.25 | nkuttler | !bat |
| 18:24.25 | dpkg | In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 18:24.26 | greycat | and make sure you have VALID jessie sources |
| 18:24.27 | cek | already ran, it's still there |
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| 18:24.33 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:24.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:24.38 | cek | i'm running stretch now |
| 18:24.44 | cek | well, upgrading... |
| 18:25.07 | greycat | "debian8" in the version string says it's trying to download a jessie version |
| 18:25.18 | cek | why would it? |
| 18:25.23 | nkuttler | cek: the install/upgrade manual has a section on third party packages |
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| 18:26.09 | cek | iFR mysql-community-server 5.7.24-1debian8 |
| 18:26.25 | greycat | ,v mysql-community-server |
| 18:26.26 | judd | No package named 'mysql-community-server' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:26.32 | greycat | sounds like a third-party package to me |
| 18:26.40 | cek | How do I tell it to shut up and let me update system, and only after that get back to mysql? |
| 18:26.45 | greycat | purge it? |
| 18:27.02 | cek | so that I have havoc thereafter ? no thank you |
| 18:27.02 | greycat | never mind, I see why whislock lost all patience with you... *plonk* |
| 18:28.16 | cek | how do I upgrade only matching packages with apt? `yum update pkg*` |
| 18:28.49 | cek | apt upgrade pkg* is trying to pull every package starting with pkg, that's not what I want, I don't want `install`, but `update` |
| 18:28.49 | apt | cek: okay |
| 18:29.16 | nkuttler | cek: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#unofficial-sources |
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| 18:29.54 | nkuttler | cek: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#system-status too |
| 18:30.31 | greycat | the /stable/ URLs may or may not apply 100% to one's jessie->stretch upgrades |
| 18:31.52 | cek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.09 | cek | ` packages are in a mess due to serious problems` no shit captain |
| 18:33.12 | nkuttler | maybe you should just reinstall |
| 18:33.33 | cek | are you kidding, it's an enterprise system |
| 18:33.42 | nkuttler | i'm serious |
| 18:34.23 | nkuttler | if you need a specific version of some software you should probably use an os that supports it, or isolate it from your debian host, or something |
| 18:35.27 | cek | No worries, I'll pick `something`. |
| 18:35.47 | nkuttler | happy to help |
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| 18:40.44 | jelly | cek: apt can only install things when the current state of package manager is consistent; you first have to fix things that are broken to be able to upgrade or install anything else. If you want more concrete suggestions where to go from here, please provide all the !bat info |
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| 18:42.38 | cek | thanks for suggesting to purge the package, essentially erasing all config files and dirs |
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| 18:42.46 | cek | great help as always |
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| 18:45.07 | jelly | cek: mind you, we don't always know how third-party packages are made and what they might do on purge. Debian's mysql packages at least default to not wiping the database dirs, but in a general case purge _is_ supposed to wipe configs. |
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| 18:46.08 | greycat | (Back up your database before you do anything.) |
| 18:47.31 | velix | Here we go: https://packages.sury.org/apache2/ |
| 18:47.35 | jelly | at $work the workflow is to always take vm snapshots before patching up |
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| 18:53.35 | eandersson | Who do I contact about added services to OpenStack specs? |
| 18:53.49 | eandersson | for Debian |
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| 18:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | eandersson: Probably someone at openstack.org |
| 18:58.42 | eandersson | Thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 18:58.49 | jelly | did not understand the question at all |
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| 18:59.12 | greycat | dpkg, openstack |
| 18:59.12 | dpkg | greycat: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:59.17 | greycat | me either |
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| 18:59.40 | jhutchins_wk | https://wiki.debian.org/OpenStack |
| 19:00.47 | jelly | I know roughly what openstack is, that there are many components and many of them are services, but what are "added services" and what specs and for whom |
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| 19:11.18 | cek | why is mysql-apt-configurator selecting jessie instead of stretch on debian 9.11/ |
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| 19:12.18 | Habbie | cek, what's mysql-apt-configurator? |
| 19:12.19 | somiaj | what is this mysql-apt-configurator? This doesn't sound like a debian tool |
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| 19:12.29 | somiaj | why not just use the version of mariadb that comes with stretch? |
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| 19:15.26 | cek | http://repo.mysql.com/apt/debian/dists/stretch/mysql-apt-config/binary-amd64/ |
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| 19:16.38 | somiaj | cek: we don't support third party software here, you will have to ask the creaters of said script why it does what it does. |
| 19:16.48 | somiaj | cek: though why don't you just use the mariadb version that comes with stretch? |
| 19:16.50 | cek | np |
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| 19:17.49 | moistmoskito | whoa... so we had this old mud right? and my friend wrote a graphical client that connects via telnet... and interacts with the codebase... we wrote and are flushing out a weird, oldschool, game engine |
| 19:19.20 | cek | you lost your mind |
| 19:19.37 | moistmoskito | a long time ago... but thats beside the point |
| 19:19.47 | moistmoskito | i think this is a cool toy |
| 19:20.00 | somiaj | sounds intersting, but also doens't sound like debian support. |
| 19:20.21 | moistmoskito | fair |
| 19:20.51 | ws2k3 | when im logging in into pure-ftpd with a client i get 421 Home directory not available - aborting what could this be? home directory exsist just fine. with correct premissions i already enabled pure-ftpd verbose but that doesnt not provide any more information |
| 19:21.12 | greycat | try googling the error message along with the program name |
| 19:21.27 | ws2k3 | greycat already did. but nothing much came up |
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| 19:23.28 | ws2k3 | greycat got it fixed apparently i needed to run pure-pw mkdb again xD im an idiot |
| 19:24.11 | somiaj | well you are running ftp in the modern world...*hides* |
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| 19:24.50 | greycat | "but I'm using non-system accounts and passwords, so that makes it all right, right???" |
| 19:24.53 | ws2k3 | somiaj i know ftp should die. its inside a network. so not connect to the internet |
| 19:25.07 | greycat | "not on the internet" is good, yes |
| 19:25.19 | ws2k3 | its not publicly available. its behind a vpn |
| 19:25.51 | somiaj | But why not use sftp using openssl? Anyways, glad you got it to work out. |
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| 19:34.20 | YesMan | Hello |
| 19:34.44 | petn-randall | hi YesMan |
| 19:35.56 | YesMan | I'd like to understand how to properly setup openssh to get a sftp connection that limited to a specific folder |
| 19:36.13 | ws2k3 | YesMan googl on ssh chroot |
| 19:36.16 | YesMan | That is* |
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| 19:43.47 | somiaj | YesMan: https://passingcuriosity.com/2014/openssh-restrict-to-sftp-chroot/ -- seems like a resonable guide, not this limits a whole group, you could also configure this per user. |
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| 19:45.28 | jelly | there are some gotchas with sftp chooot, $HOME folder ownership and not being able to upload files directly there but having to use a subfolder, that I never solved |
| 19:45.54 | whislock | That's a basic constraint of sshd, not sure there's a proper solution there. |
| 19:46.23 | greycat | chrooting sftp is viable, if you use internal-sftp, because then the sshd process doesn't have to try to run a program in the chrooted environment, which would require all of the ld.so and similar stuff |
| 19:46.45 | greycat | !chroot ssh |
| 19:46.45 | dpkg | methinks ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425/30/0/ and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 19:46.46 | jelly | also: you want transfer logs? add dev/log socket to every chroot |
| 19:46.59 | greycat | that's for the general case (not internal-sftp) |
| 19:47.42 | jelly | we use ForceCommand internal-sftp -l INFO ... still had to sockets all over |
| 19:48.02 | greycat | #openssh may be able to offer advice |
| 19:48.17 | somiaj | jelly: ahh that explains why the guide has creates a directory inside the chroot location. |
| 19:48.20 | jelly | eh! wfm |
| 19:48.50 | jelly | somiaj: yes, that files/ subdir means they figured that out as well |
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| 19:50.02 | jelly | it's just slightly annoying having to maintain /etc/rsyslog.d/sftp.conf with dozens of lines and restart rsyslog for every new or deleted user |
| 19:50.42 | jelly | (rsyslog does not have a proper reload action to reread and reapply config) |
| 19:50.47 | jhutchins_wk | I think I've seen this before. Add a new disk, sync existing files to it, mount it over the old files and it doesn't work. Have to move the old files before mounting the new |
| 19:51.25 | jelly | why would you put a mountpoint over a nonempty directory, whyyyy |
| 19:52.01 | somiaj | I don't see why that would be a problem, unless you had the files open already? Though also seems like a bad method. |
| 19:52.25 | somiaj | doesn't udev do that with /dev nowdays, or is /dev empty on newer installs (haven't checked in a long time) |
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| 19:54.19 | jhutchins_wk | All I get at that link from dpkg is an index. |
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| 19:55.14 | greycat | stupid webs not staying still |
| 19:57.11 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Because you wanted the mount in the same place, and didn't want to loose the old files quite yet. In this case moving /var/lib/mysql to it's own volume. |
| 19:57.11 | jelly | or someone forgot to mount the new filesystem but remembered to move the files away |
| 19:57.30 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: stop the fucking mysql service first. |
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| 19:57.48 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Yes. Snapshotted the VM for good measure. |
| 19:58.13 | jelly | rsync once, stop service, mv /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/mysql.old && mkdir /var/lib/mysql && umount /mnt/newmysql && mount -a |
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| 19:58.39 | jelly | rsync second time after stopping service |
| 19:58.53 | jhutchins_wk | WE threw in a chown -R for good measure. mysql couldn't read or write with the old files still under the mounted volume. |
| 19:59.13 | jelly | why would you do that |
| 19:59.51 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: did you stop then start mysql, or just let mysql keep running? |
| 20:00.17 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I stopped it before I rsynced. |
| 20:00.20 | jelly | also, on debian: verify stopping the service actually stopped and killed all the mysqld processes |
| 20:00.28 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, did that. |
| 20:00.43 | somiaj | hmm, maybe some cache so the kernel gets confused on where the files actually are. |
| 20:00.57 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: Yeah, or internal to mysql. |
| 20:01.02 | jelly | also3: don't ever move contents, rename whole dirs instead |
| 20:01.07 | somiaj | since the files were accessed the kernel might have cached their physical location. |
| 20:01.13 | jhutchins_wk | root could write to the new mount. |
| 20:01.15 | somiaj | and moving them refrehsed that cache. |
| 20:01.39 | jhutchins_wk | Something like that, Moral: Don't mount over the old files. |
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| 20:01.49 | jelly | if mysql keeps track of (dev major, minor, inode number) then mysql deserves to die |
| 20:02.16 | B|ack0p | while installing debian-netinstaller on a vm can i get a network? |
| 20:02.18 | B|ack0p | i think no wifi |
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| 20:02.42 | jelly | because that's the only way it could access files behind the mountpoint |
| 20:03.12 | jelly | (that I can think of. barring bind shenanigans and namespaces) |
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| 20:03.54 | jelly | B|ack0p: yes you can, debian installer ought to support all the virtual ethernet interfaces |
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| 20:04.14 | Rubin | i'v got snmpd installed and running, but iv just noticed that /etc/default/snmpd is being ignored by systemd. the command line to start it appears to be hard coded in /lib/systemd/snmpd.service |
| 20:04.19 | Rubin | is that the way its supposed to be? |
| 20:04.31 | Rubin | i need to change something, how is it done now? |
| 20:04.43 | somiaj | systemd might not honor the old /etc/default/foos |
| 20:04.50 | B|ack0p | okk |
| 20:04.56 | greycat | ,file snmpd.service |
| 20:05.02 | judd | Search for snmpd.service in buster/amd64: snmpd: lib/systemd/system/snmpd.service |
| 20:05.05 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: It couldn't read or write files, it wasn't actually using the old ones. |
| 20:05.26 | somiaj | Rubin: you can put a copy of the file in /etc/systemd/system or systemctl edit snmpd.service and add the Exec line you need |
| 20:05.28 | tds | you can override the execstart line manually if you need to, `systemctl edit snmpd.service` |
| 20:05.34 | greycat | [ Source: net-snmp ] |
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| 20:05.43 | Rubin | somiaj, ok. thanks |
| 20:06.05 | jelly | Rubin: I'll spoonfeed you this one because it was such a pain for mutiple reasons, http://paste.debian.net/1119527/ |
| 20:06.14 | greycat | so... this guy: https://sources.debian.org/src/net-snmp/5.7.3+dfsg-5/debian/snmpd.service/ |
| 20:06.20 | jhutchins_wk | B|ack0p: The VM should see that as a wired connection, and it will either use an emulated card that has a driver or a VM specific card with a default driver. |
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| 20:06.27 | jelly | one reason is "override the execstart line" has SO DUMB syntax |
| 20:06.54 | greycat | Looks like this particular service file is not using an EnvironmentFile. |
| 20:07.01 | somiaj | that is strange that you need to blank it out first...:/ |
| 20:07.28 | Rubin | jelly, in that you had to clear it first and then set it again? |
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| 20:07.46 | Rubin | also, am I meant to create the snmpd.service.d/ directory? |
| 20:07.59 | jelly | now that I remembered it, I can't comment on systemd docs and upstream in polite language |
| 20:08.07 | jelly | but people in #systemd are great |
| 20:08.16 | greycat | Rubin: since there's no configurable bits in the snmpd.service file, it appears that yes, you would need to extend it yourself |
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| 20:08.37 | Rubin | so the 'debian way' of /etc/default is going obsolete? |
| 20:08.48 | greycat | That's a "sysv-rc way". |
| 20:08.49 | jelly | Rubin: that was really Debian init script's way |
| 20:09.11 | greycat | It was a common decision by init.d script writers. |
| 20:09.14 | somiaj | in theory systemd unit files could use that, but it isn't considered the systemd way, so they don't |
| 20:09.25 | VLMC | Hi, I have a Debian Buster server that I've set up with samba, I can't get true guest access to it, I still have to type in "nobody" as the username. Any pointers? |
| 20:09.34 | Rubin | ok ill go learn how to do things in systemd's way |
| 20:09.37 | Rubin | thanks a bunch |
| 20:09.39 | greycat | Each individual service file decides how to do things. If they choose to honor an /etc/default/-style config file, they can. |
| 20:09.51 | jelly | somiaj: they really couldn't, if you figure out a way to sensibly use an env.var. file for the command line for a service let me know |
| 20:10.16 | Rubin | i wonder if i should create a bug to remove /etc/default/snmpd from the package since it isnt used. or put a warning or something |
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| 20:10.40 | greycat | jelly: EnvironmentFile= in systemd.exec(5) |
| 20:10.42 | jelly | Rubin: it still works for systems that actually use the init script |
| 20:11.03 | somiaj | Rubin: many packages support both systemd and sysvinit, so for the rare sysvinit users, that file may still be needed. |
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| 20:11.23 | jelly | greycat: I meant to generate or modify the command line for the service |
| 20:11.36 | jelly | somiaj: they might not be so rare |
| 20:12.55 | somiaj | jelly: hmm, thought there was some report like it was less than 5% of users or something like that, but maybe popcon is just a poor sample. |
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| 20:14.52 | jelly | somiaj: that report intentionally looked ONLY at new installs |
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| 20:15.37 | jelly | read your mailing list mails carefully and you start noticing things like that on all sides |
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| 20:16.13 | ZaZaGX | hello |
| 20:16.38 | jelly | Rubin: I think a variant of systemctl edit ... create the dir and the "drop-in" file automatically for you |
| 20:17.06 | jelly | Rubin: or you can create and populate manually, but don't forget to systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 20:20.43 | Rubin | jelly, is that maybe debian10 way? 9 seems to ignore that file in that location |
| 20:21.03 | Rubin | but i copied it into just /etc/systemd/system and changed it.. and that seems to have worked afdter a daemon-reload |
| 20:21.06 | greycat | There is no difference in systemd across debian 8-10. Not at that level. |
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| 20:21.14 | Rubin | hmm |
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| 20:22.44 | jorb | so, periodically i have a complete failure of the root file system on my server, such that nothing is readable, including executables i might need to troubleshoot |
| 20:23.11 | jorb | how the heck can i try to recover from this while its running? maybe can't.. i tried the sysreq stuff |
| 20:23.22 | jorb | or just enough to get some debug/traces |
| 20:23.46 | jorb | funny enough the qemu processes run while it is in this state, so i can continue chatting here from a vm on there :) |
| 20:24.03 | Rubin | oh. it does work. i must have forgot to daemon-reload the first time |
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| 20:26.42 | jelly | :-) |
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| 20:28.21 | somiaj | yea, that daemon-reload is important, and took me a long time to figure out my first time dealing with this after hours of wondering why my changes weren't working. |
| 20:28.32 | jelly | fwiw that identical file works on prod systems on debian 10 and 9 here |
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| 20:35.52 | ftg | Hello everyone, I tried to update certbot on my VPS under Debian 9.5, and here is the "unmet dependency" issue: http://screenshots.lutix.org/screenshot_04-12-19-21:30:15.png |
| 20:36.13 | ftg | I don't know how to recover from this |
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| 20:36.28 | ftg | I can't afford to have this system broken |
| 20:36.42 | ftg | do you have some hints? |
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| 20:38.45 | Hydr0p0nX | is there a debian 10 repo that has a newer Nvidia driver than 418 ? 418 appears to be breaking hibernate on my system, if I upgrade to current hibernate works as expected, with this one cap/num lock turn on and off but the machine won't actually display anything ... both have my monitors flipping the preferred ordering when i reboot |
| 20:39.03 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:39.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.64-1; sid/non-free: 430.64-1; experimental/non-free: 440.36-1 |
| 20:39.44 | jelly | Hydr0p0nX: best wait until maintainers decide to make a buster-backports build |
| 20:39.55 | somiaj | Hydr0p0nX: you will have to backport it yourself at this time. I expect eventually a backport will be made, but it could be a while until that happens. |
| 20:40.11 | somiaj | I personally haven't had much problem backporting the nvidia packages. |
| 20:40.19 | somiaj | (well in the past, hvaen't tried recentally) |
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| 20:41.14 | jelly | it USED to be thier packages were kind of made so that they could be reused even as binary deb from newer release to older but recent matching of specific kernels and compilers and linux-kbuild makes it "probably won't work even if you try" |
| 20:42.32 | Hydr0p0nX | I can run the binary from Nvidia and fix the "won't wake up" issue, any suggestion on it not saving my screen ordering ? |
| 20:43.03 | jelly | apt, checkbackport nvidia-driver |
| 20:43.11 | somiaj | Hydr0p0nX: upgrades on the debian end can and will break using the upstream installer though, so be prepared for issues. |
| 20:43.21 | jelly | apt: ping |
| 20:43.21 | apt | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss |
| 20:43.28 | jelly | er, silly me |
| 20:43.31 | somiaj | judd: check-backport nvidia-driver |
| 20:43.32 | judd | Backporting package nvidia-driver in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 20:43.32 | jelly | judd: checkbackport nvidia-driver |
| 20:43.34 | judd | Backporting package nvidia-driver in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 20:43.45 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 20:43.47 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.6.1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.7.1; sid: 12.7.1 |
| 20:44.09 | jelly | ,provides debhelper |
| 20:44.10 | judd | Package debhelper in buster/amd64 provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd. |
| 20:44.19 | jelly | ,provides debhelper --release buster-backports: |
| 20:44.20 | judd | Package debhelper in buster/amd64 provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd. |
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| 20:44.52 | jelly | judd ought to figure out that buster+buster-backports would satisfy that |
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| 20:45.53 | somiaj | I keep hoping for a backports of the nvidia driver soon since the current backport kernel won't work with the nvidia drivers. |
| 20:46.17 | jelly | did you poke the bpo mailing list |
| 20:46.50 | somiaj | I haven't since I don't use nvidia currently, but i've seen that issue from multiple people here |
| 20:47.10 | jelly | same here (about not using it :-D) |
| 20:48.11 | annadane | fire that company into the sun |
| 20:48.15 | Hydr0p0nX | i have an older Radeon card I can drop in but would rather use the nv i have, just because it's about 4 years newer |
| 20:49.34 | somiaj | well there is a thread about this in the mailing list already. |
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| 20:56.22 | horseshoecrab | everyone knows that nvidia cards are not for running x, they are for running tensorflow. :P |
| 20:57.51 | Joit | hm, i have bought an ati card because of "the better support in linux" but never got it running and its equal to the nvidia i have now, but nvidia have way better benchmark results |
| 20:58.42 | trek00 | better benchmarks but tainted kernel |
| 20:58.47 | horseshoecrab | Joit: i was being a bit of a dick. i don't use linux on the desktop but i do work with a few servers that have nvidia cards for gpu processing. |
| 20:58.57 | Hydr0p0nX | usually, i have nv card running X and pass through my radeon card to a windows VM since they don't do the dumb "oh you're running a VM, NO FEATURES FOR YOU!" |
| 20:59.01 | trek00 | you can't know what the closed blob is actually doing with your system |
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| 21:04.40 | trek00 | Joit: and you have many instability/compatibility issues with nvidia |
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| 21:05.15 | Joit | trek00: never had a message or can not comlain about it, onlylately with google earth |
| 21:05.19 | trek00 | the random freeze is a feature :) |
| 21:05.48 | Joit | never had something freeze. its more firefox what mess up the memory managment during a yt stream, what i watch |
| 21:06.24 | trek00 | Joit: i never had a good uptime with nvidia blob |
| 21:06.35 | Hydr0p0nX | am considering handing over the NV card to my nephew after christmas |
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| 21:07.52 | Joit | well it can only go more worse with an ati card |
| 21:08.22 | trek00 | Joit: may be in the past, but actually opensource drivers are stable and fully upstream |
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| 21:09.05 | trek00 | like the intel ones, but with decent hardware |
| 21:09.19 | Joit | sorry, but i have to laugh about that, i bought just lately an ati card, and it was only a nightmare to install, and had more tearing then anything with the standard driver |
| 21:09.44 | trek00 | Joit: what model? just curios |
| 21:09.47 | Joit | now its at the corner, and i never touch it again, if not come into this pain again |
| 21:09.58 | Joit | hd6450 |
| 21:10.06 | Joit | radeon |
| 21:10.46 | trek00 | Joit: well pretty old model and yes not well supported |
| 21:11.35 | Joit | sure sure, then its the "Not supported". Never the driver, but i tried it with 17x mint, and there was nothing what really worked |
| 21:12.08 | trek00 | Joit: with a GCN card you should get months of uptime |
| 21:12.10 | trek00 | :) |
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| 21:13.00 | Joit | well, then looking at he benchmarks, and seeing again only nv better with queal cards |
| 21:13.30 | Joit | but the same they promised for all other ati cards " they are so well supported" but never been, only chattering |
| 21:13.57 | Joit | i am pretty disappointed with this "Linux and Ati cards support" |
| 21:14.00 | trek00 | may be i was luky :) |
| 21:14.26 | trek00 | when i switched from nvidia to amd, never come back :) |
| 21:14.51 | trek00 | no more driver installation pain (hey this kernel is not yet supported) |
| 21:15.02 | trek00 | no more random freeze in the middle of the work |
| 21:16.23 | Joit | the freeze can come from overheating too, i buy video cards only with an fan, or else, i tinker one on it. they overheat easy and stop working. also i need to keep my case open all time |
| 21:17.06 | trek00 | well, freeze comes from drivers/devices not well interacting, like soundcard dma with nvidia dma |
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| 21:17.22 | Joit | not only |
| 21:17.45 | Joit | mine stoped freezing since i did cool it more |
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| 21:18.07 | trek00 | Joit: yes overheating is a common hardware problem |
| 21:18.34 | Joit | plus the dust, plus, when its windows |
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| 21:19.23 | trek00 | Joit: everyone has different goals, i pay for stability more than benchmarks, so i want opensource drivers |
| 21:20.18 | Joit | i feel like, i have both now |
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| 21:32.14 | tom_work_ | Where do I package INIT scripts for OpenRC and SysV in debian packages? |
| 21:32.57 | greycat | wherever they belong upon installation of the package |
| 21:33.21 | tom_work_ | greycat, you don't understand |
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| 21:33.31 | tom_work_ | greycat, /etc/init.d conflict |
| 21:33.45 | tom_work_ | I want to provide native openrc-run scripts not sysv compatibility |
| 21:33.50 | greycat | /etc/init.d/yourpackage conflicts with what? |
| 21:33.51 | tom_work_ | when running openrc |
| 21:34.08 | tom_work_ | greycat, with itself |
| 21:35.03 | tom_work_ | #!/sbin/openrc-run != #!/bin/sh |
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| 21:35.31 | tom_work_ | even though it's "compatible" it's not the same thing it's just a fallback |
| 21:35.52 | greycat | waits for someone who can translate this question into English |
| 21:36.12 | trek00 | tom_work_: may be there is a /etc/init directory? |
| 21:36.47 | tom_work_ | trek00, the problem is that both SysV and OpenRC use /etc/init.d/ for their scripts |
| 21:37.13 | trek00 | tom_work_: this should be a problem |
| 21:37.28 | greycat | what flaming idiot came up with that design? |
| 21:37.42 | tom_work_ | so, I don't know what to do when packaging to install a openrc-run script there when the system is running openrc and a SysV script there when the system is runnig SysV |
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| 21:38.20 | greycat | I'm just going to assume that this is confusion on your part and that the designers of this alternative init system did NOT do something so incredibly stupid. |
| 21:38.27 | tom_work_ | greycat, It was designed to help a user transition from SysV to OpenRC. OpenRC can run SysV scripts but SysV can't run OpenRC scripts |
| 21:38.40 | whislock | Isn't openrc a gentoo original? |
| 21:38.50 | greycat | that might change my opinions, if that's true |
| 21:38.57 | trek00 | tom_work_: may be openrc can can read init.d but also read its directory? |
| 21:39.01 | tom_work_ | whislock, OpenRC comes from the Gentoo Project but it's not Gentoo or Linux specific |
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| 21:39.21 | whislock | tom_work_: My question was rhetorical in nature. I am absurdly familiar with openrc. |
| 21:39.58 | greycat | So you put the openrc script in a different directory, and it uses that one if it exists, and if it DOESN'T exist, it uses a sysv script in /etc/init.d. Right? RIGHT??? |
| 21:40.01 | whislock | And, more correctly, it comes from Gentoo/FreeBSD. I think it's original design was from a NetBSD developer. |
| 21:40.06 | trek00 | tom_work_: check /etc/openrc/init.d |
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| 21:40.45 | tom_work_ | trek00, oh is that Debian specific? |
| 21:41.01 | trek00 | tom_work_: not, i found it in archwiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenRC |
| 21:41.26 | tom_work_ | Arch? |
| 21:41.40 | trek00 | just the first result i found on the net |
| 21:42.30 | tom_work_ | I think that's an Arch-specific patch |
| 21:42.37 | tom_work_ | that directory doesn't exist in my system |
| 21:42.52 | tom_work_ | (not to be confused with /etc/conf.d/ |
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| 21:45.44 | greycat | tosses openrc on the "do not bother trying" pile |
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| 21:46.55 | tom_work_ | that's ok. That's why I want to package stuff. There's no native openrc scripts in Devuan and I want to upstream my patches |
| 21:47.29 | tom_work_ | I use OpenRC on all my servers. Especially good with the daemon supervisory and dependency resolution |
| 21:47.36 | tom_work_ | *Debian too |
| 21:47.59 | whislock | Yeah. So is systemd. And compared to openrc, systemd is intelligently designed. |
| 21:48.11 | whislock | So... Forge on, I suppose. |
| 21:48.12 | trek00 | designed with butt |
| 21:48.18 | tom_work_ | yeah but that's not a fits-all solution |
| 21:48.28 | tom_work_ | I'm glad that works for you though |
| 21:48.30 | whislock | tom_work_: Nothing is. But it definitely fits more than openrc. |
| 21:48.38 | greycat | near as I can tell, openrc is a fits-none solution at this point, but feel free to hack it into a working shape |
| 21:48.52 | whislock | There is not a single use case you can point to with openrc that systemd doesn't satisfy far more effectively, efficiently, and sanely. |
| 21:48.53 | greycat | I'm all for diversity and competition |
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| 21:49.13 | tom_work_ | whislock, yes there is |
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| 21:49.21 | ratrace | OpenRC is effectively dead. one dev that almost stopped committing this year |
| 21:49.43 | ratrace | significantly less work this year than previous ones. I gues he's fed up. |
| 21:49.49 | tom_work_ | I'm running a LXC container cluster with stateless IPv6 networking |
| 21:51.00 | trek00 | whislock: except like yesterday when a user got his system broken because battery was discharged and systemd leaved a broken initrd... |
| 21:51.20 | whislock | trek00: systemd doesn't make initramfs. But good try. |
| 21:51.34 | ratrace | indeed. |
| 21:51.36 | trek00 | whislock: it rebuild initramfs on shutdown.. |
| 21:51.42 | whislock | trek00: systemd doesn't do that. |
| 21:51.45 | tom_work_ | systemd will not work with encrypted roots and ZFS roots |
| 21:51.56 | trek00 | whislock: search for that unit file ;( |
| 21:51.57 | trek00 | ;) |
| 21:52.04 | mason | tom_work_: Eh? It can do both those things, not that I like to defend it. |
| 21:52.06 | whislock | tom_work_: I'm not sure what world you live in, but I am speaking to you on a systemd system with an encrypted root. |
| 21:52.14 | greycat | trek00: initramfses are not rebuilt on shutdown. Period. You're just spouting nonsense. |
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| 21:52.27 | tom_work_ | nor does systemd's networking manager contain enough flexibility for HA IPv6 clusters |
| 21:52.35 | trek00 | just a tip, mdadm units |
| 21:53.18 | ratrace | tom_work_: systemd works just fine with encrypted rootfs and zfs root |
| 21:53.19 | whislock | tom_work_: networkd can do anything any other network manager can do. At this point, I'm wondering if you've suffered a stroke or something. |
| 21:53.31 | trek00 | tom_work_: reading the source, may be /lib/rc/init.d? |
| 21:53.42 | mason | !ops |
| 21:53.42 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 21:53.54 | mason | eh, not worth it |
| 21:53.56 | tom_work_ | ratrace, ok, well then you go ahead and build that in a QEMU test rig and show me with that latest stable .8.X release |
| 21:53.59 | whislock | tom_work_: And I certainly don't have issues with lxc/IPv6 slaac with systemd. |
| 21:54.16 | tom_work_ | but that still is not going to convince me |
| 21:54.17 | whislock | So this is all bizarro world. |
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| 21:54.32 | tom_work_ | I'm not asking you to justify systemd to me |
| 21:54.43 | tom_work_ | I'm simply asking where to package OpenRC scripts |
| 21:54.43 | mason | tom_work_: FWIW, I've had both LUKS and native encrypted ZFS mirrors as root under systemd quite recently. It's grub that's unhappy with those things. |
| 21:54.53 | whislock | tom_work_: Okay, let's just summarize this and move on: You hate systemd on religious grounds, and no amount of reality will change your mind. Cheers. |
| 21:55.00 | whislock | *plonk* |
| 21:55.22 | trek00 | laugh |
| 21:55.31 | tom_work_ | If you don't stop I'm going to report you to the operators |
| 21:55.41 | trek00 | tom_work_: reading the source, may be /lib/rc/init.d? |
| 21:55.52 | ratrace | tom_work_: uhhh.... all our servers are root on ZFS on LUKS, it works fine with systemd. yes you need to mount some /var stuff legacy, but guess what, you ahve to do that with openrc too. Tried and tested. |
| 21:57.45 | Hydr0p0nX | whislock, did they ever fix the bug with systemd and usernames that start with a number? |
| 21:57.53 | trek00 | :D |
| 21:58.00 | trek00 | wontfix :D |
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| 21:58.47 | greycat | never mind the fact that a user name starting with a digit is going to break pretty much EVERYTHING else as well |
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| 21:58.58 | mason | ratrace: That's a problem with zfs-initramfs, not systemd, again... Mounting filesystems ends up not being atomic, and you'll end up having logging go to /var/log before that dataset is mounted. |
| 21:59.35 | trek00 | greycat: then no usernames with uppercase letters, then no numbers at all... :D |
| 21:59.44 | greycat | trek00: no, that's not true at all. |
| 21:59.48 | mason | ratrace: I sporadically think about rewriting zfs-initramfs to be better, but frankly it's just as easy to gut it and have site-specific code do what it does instead. |
| 21:59.54 | trek00 | greycat: wait for the next bug |
| 22:00.08 | somiaj | tom_work_: sometimes questions like that are better asked in a more specific channel, most of the help here is with systemd (nowdays) and sysvinit before, so most users here are only familar with those two init systems. |
| 22:00.22 | somiaj | tom_work_: choosing another inint system, might want to seek support of people who are use to using that system. |
| 22:00.30 | greycat | trek00: there are surely a HUGE number of programs in the world that accept an argument string that could be either a username or a UID, and they check the isdigit(arg[0]) to make that decision |
| 22:00.34 | tom_work_ | somiaj, what channel? It's a packaging question |
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| 22:00.57 | greycat | trek00: it's the same reason variable names can't start with a digit in most languages |
| 22:01.00 | trek00 | greycat: yes and POSIX solved this issue, adding a + before uid |
| 22:01.27 | greycat | in what program? |
| 22:01.37 | trek00 | chown? |
| 22:01.40 | somiaj | tom_work_: in this case more an rc-init question, since they should go where rc-init system wants them. |
| 22:01.55 | greycat | I certainly don't see a wandering + sign in chown(1) for example |
| 22:02.07 | somiaj | tom_work_: I don't know a good rc-init place, there is #packaging on irc.oftc.net, but again might not have many there who actually work with openRC |
| 22:02.42 | trek00 | greycat: well, chown may be smarter than systemd thus |
| 22:03.07 | greycat | I'm not seeing it in https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/chown.html either |
| 22:03.12 | greycat | I think you're imagining it |
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| 22:03.54 | tom_work_ | somiaj, just to be clear I'm talking about OpenRC not RC init |
| 22:04.03 | tom_work_ | They are different |
| 22:04.08 | tom_work_ | that's the BSD init |
| 22:04.15 | trek00 | greycat: well how chown is managing uids and usernames and systemd can't? |
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| 22:06.40 | greycat | I don't know what you're saying. You keep claiming things that are not true. I'm saying that a username that starts with a digit WILL BREAK SHIT LEFT AND RIGHT. One of the things it breaks is systemd, true. |
| 22:06.45 | greycat | But that is not the ONLY thing. |
| 22:06.49 | greycat | It is a horrible idea. |
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| 22:07.14 | trek00 | greycat: i was confusing, it's the gnu tar that may need a + for uids |
| 22:07.56 | trek00 | greycat: but the point is: chown accepts usernames starting with a number while systemd can't! |
| 22:08.28 | greycat | you tested this? it actually works? |
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| 22:09.19 | trek00 | greycat: it works, try yourself |
| 22:09.38 | ratrace | mason: the same problem affects openrc |
| 22:10.45 | mason | ratrace: Ah, does that use zfs-initramfs too? Would make sense, since it's largely init-agnostic. |
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| 22:12.07 | whislock | ... intagonistic... |
| 22:12.12 | whislock | I don't know why that just popped in my head. |
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| 22:13.12 | Hydr0p0nX | if i go the manual install route for nvidia drivers, is it "just" kernel updates that may break or more? |
| 22:13.45 | ratrace | mason: neither systemd nor openrc interact with zfs that way. problem is zfs mounts need the service which is started too late |
| 22:13.54 | trek00 | Hydr0p0nX: why to go with manual route when there is a package for nvidia-driver? |
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| 22:14.14 | Hydr0p0nX | it's an old version and using it causes my system to not wake up from hibernate |
| 22:14.25 | trek00 | :/ |
| 22:14.46 | mason | ratrace: Well. It's not so much a service as loaded modules. |
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| 22:17.16 | mason | ratrace: Just found my notes. Last time I had encrypted ZFS root under OpenRC, I did my usual thing and had kernel and initramfs in my ESP, sidestepping the bootloader knowing about any of it. |
| 22:17.44 | mason | But that was Gentoo, not Debian. I presume Debian with OpenRC would behave similarly. Dunno. |
| 22:17.51 | mason | bbiab |
| 22:18.57 | ratrace | mason: problem is not the module which is loaded in the initramfs. problem is /var/log for example, being populated before zfs moounts a DS tehre |
| 22:19.11 | ratrace | mason: thus for some such paths, they need to be mounted legacy |
| 22:19.27 | ratrace | OR... within initramfs, so zfs-initramfs would be needed even if you didn't have root on zfs |
| 22:20.05 | ratrace | mason: which can really be fixed be configuring zfs to ignore non-empty dirs and mount anyway, or using legacy mounts |
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| 22:37.22 | zumba_addict | I'll be installing a .deb package over an installed package. Previously, I ran `dpkg -iGREB ./jfrog-artifactory-pro-6.6.13.deb`. Then today, I found an internal wiki showing how to upgrade the package. The command in the wiki says `apt upgrade jfrog-artifactory-pro`. Which one is correct? |
| 22:38.59 | trek00 | zumba_addict: dpkg works if you downloaded .deb file, while apt works if you added jfrog repository to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:39.13 | zumba_addict | ah |
| 22:39.20 | zumba_addict | i'll use dpkg then |
| 22:39.27 | zumba_addict | thank you |
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| 22:40.30 | trek00 | :) |
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| 23:25.42 | twobitsprite | Just recently reinstalled my Debian Buster VM, and for some reason alt+left, alt+right aren't working in irssi like they did before. I'm asking here, because I have no idea how to tell if this is a problem with Terminator, irssi, virtualbox, etc? Any pointers on how to figure out where the problem might be? |
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| 23:26.05 | twobitsprite | I'm 90% positive I didn't have to do any special configuration to get the alt+arrow keys working before... |
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| 23:35.51 | sponix | twobitsprite: are you here ? |
| 23:36.13 | twobitsprite | sponix: yes, sorry, tried restarting irssi |
| 23:36.46 | sponix | twobitsprite: the vm software like virtualbox often has a "send key XYZ" to the VM function that _could_ help... BUT |
| 23:37.08 | sponix | twobitsprite: you are more likely to get results with the /window command to create new ones and swap between them etc |
| 23:37.28 | twobitsprite | sponix: I think I figured it out, it's Terminator's keybinding for switching tabs... which is odd, since I don't have any other tabs open, and even have the tab bar disabled |
| 23:38.19 | sponix | runs away |
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| 23:42.23 | twobitsprite | !ops Sportivo_50 is spamming anyone who joins with "Salve ,Bella e Monella?" |
| 23:42.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: twobitsprite complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 23:44.54 | somiaj | thanks |
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| 23:45.43 | somiaj | there the ban worked that time |
| 23:46.11 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 23:52.10 | ratrace | ogawdm the init diversity GR is turning into a circus... SEVEN options now.... |
| 23:52.59 | annadane | "systemd but with a runit core with openrc stapled on with dpkg hooks to pass options to sysvinit scripts" |
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| 23:54.21 | lupine | systemd uber alles |
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| 23:56.01 | ratrace | annadane: wrapped as a upstart function |
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| 23:56.53 | AndChat|204276 | Please take my Star Trek survey. The URL is in my "realname" since Sigyn got tired of me posting it in channels |
| 23:57.27 | annadane | no. |
| 23:57.37 | ghormoon | random though ... how much performance do you loose if you mirror displays (especially when doing something gpu heavy), is it half or just a little bit? i.e. is it wirh the added hassle to turn some off or just mirror all the time? |
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