| 00:00.51 | somiaj | AndChat|204276: this is not the place to advertise such things. |
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| 00:59.45 | realies | can you add virtual packages with apt? |
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| 01:00.10 | realies | with apk you can do something like apk add --virtual build-dependencies |
| 01:00.22 | realies | not seeing an alternative |
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| 01:02.50 | themill | you might need to describe what it's supposed to do |
| 01:03.08 | themill | (avoiding using words like "virtual package" would be good too; that term already has a specific meaning to apt) |
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| 01:03.32 | realies | apk docs say "Instead of adding all the packages to 'world', create a new virtual package with the listed dependencies and add that to 'world'; the actions of the command are easily reverted by deleting the virtual package" |
| 01:04.31 | warsoul | how do i check how manny users my server has? |
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| 01:06.19 | creepy | hi all |
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| 01:07.18 | creepy | does anyone know how to install tor browser on debian32bits version 8.11( i think jessie)? |
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| 01:07.44 | gry | what happens when you try to install? |
| 01:08.22 | warsoul | how do i check how manny users my server has? |
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| 01:09.54 | gry | warsoul, they are listed in /etc/passwd |
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| 01:10.38 | warsoul | gry do i login as root right? |
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| 01:10.59 | gry | yes |
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| 01:11.54 | warsoul | thanks |
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| 01:12.13 | warsoul | how can i check the process that are running with the users |
| 01:12.21 | themill | !equivs |
| 01:12.21 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 01:12.28 | themill | realies: ^^ sounds like equivs |
| 01:13.05 | themill | realies: although are you doing this specifically for some build dependencies? |
| 01:16.01 | themill | !mk-build-deps |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | mk-build-deps is a script in the <devscripts> package that creates a package called "yourpackage-build-deps" that depends on the <build-dep> packages; combining this with apt's <autoremove> feature allows you to remove build-deps after you have installed them. mk-build-deps requires the <equivs> package to be installed too. |
| 01:16.04 | themill | realies: ^^ |
| 01:17.42 | creepy | https://paste.debian.net/1119558/ |
| 01:18.15 | creepy | gry: i am here too |
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| 01:21.00 | cinesc | hi, can you recommend me something I can spend time at when it comes to writing a type of files for etc making mods for a doom deriviate game? |
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| 01:23.57 | realies | themill, sounds like more dependencies :/ |
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| 01:30.50 | themill | sounds like doing exactly what you want? |
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| 01:57.06 | realies | with extra steps, yeah |
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| 02:08.22 | themill | realies: you didn't answer the question about what you were trying to achieve btw |
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| 02:08.36 | ryouma | i'd like to play a dvd using vlc. what do i need to do? |
| 02:08.54 | ryouma | i am running stretch |
| 02:09.21 | ryouma | i notice there is libdvd-pkg. i feel a bit uncomfortable installing a package that downloads software that isn't signed by a debian developer. or is it safe? |
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| 02:12.49 | realies | themill, add build deps before installing a package and remove them easily when that's done |
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| 02:13.38 | themill | If you're working with debian packages you probably want devscripts installed anyway and that's precisely the functionality that mk-build-deps gives you |
| 02:13.57 | themill | Or you can do it yourself with equivs. |
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| 02:14.04 | themill | Or you can do it yourself by hand without equivs. |
| 02:14.51 | themill | I mean you could do your programming with a steady hand, a magnet and a sewing needle, but most people these days have decided just to install the tools that make it a bit simpler. |
| 02:17.21 | sponix | ryouma: yes you can install it, and its just fine.. have fun |
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| 02:18.35 | themill | ryouma: my recollection is that libdvd-pkg does check the signatures on the code it downloads against versions approved by the developers who maintain the package |
| 02:18.45 | ryouma | fantastic! |
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| 02:19.02 | ryouma | debian is awesome! |
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| 02:19.43 | themill | (look in /usr/share/libdvd-pkg/) |
| 02:20.18 | ryouma | i see sha256 something or other there |
| 02:20.40 | ryouma | looks promising: 2089375984800df29a4817b37f3123c1706723342d6dab4d0a8b75c25c2c845a /usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss_1.4.0.orig.tar.bz2 |
| 02:20.45 | themill | yeah, that's hashes of what the relevant download is supposed to be; if it matches, it's good. |
| 02:21.05 | ryouma | i will trust them to actually do the check then |
| 02:21.21 | ryouma | it'd be dumb not to. this is great. |
| 02:24.41 | ryouma | i assume this applies to the automatic upgrades also? wodnering why it is asking me aobut that. i guess ome don't want to automatically upgrade? |
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| 02:42.09 | martian67 | "-- is the marriage operator, it's the end of options, and the beginning of arguments." |
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| 02:42.41 | whislock | That is amazing. |
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| 02:56.41 | zq | martian67: fantastic |
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| 03:19.59 | ryouma | i thought up a couple of linux jokes earlier today. idk if it was your fault, but i ahve now forgotten them. :) |
| 03:21.05 | sponix | ryouma: your DVD's playing now ? |
| 03:21.10 | ryouma | yes! |
| 03:21.12 | ryouma | thank you! |
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| 03:21.17 | sponix | sweet |
| 03:21.35 | ryouma | after reading something something that idea about making filenames sane something something |
| 03:21.51 | ryouma | it's amazing that it just works :) |
| 03:23.08 | ryouma | https://lwn.net/Articles/325304/ |
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| 03:26.48 | ob-sed | hi what command do you type in on a Debian Box to view the correct SSH ed25519 256 key fingerprint for remote SSH connections ? |
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| 03:33.46 | whislock | ob-sed: man ssh-keygen has that information. |
| 03:34.09 | ob-sed | thanks whislock |
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| 03:37.05 | nvz | ob-sed: when logged in as a user on a server this should show fingerprints of keys that will have access to that user ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 03:37.21 | ob-sed | thanks nvz |
| 03:37.50 | ob-sed | the command i was looking for was ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key_ed25519_key.pub |
| 03:38.04 | ob-sed | to check when connecting remotely that i got the correct key fingerprit |
| 03:38.18 | nvz | yeah then you weren't asking the right question |
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| 03:38.39 | nvz | cause the key should be in authorized_keys or it isnt the key that would let you login |
| 03:39.13 | ob-sed | no you where answering the wrong question ;-P but thanks anyway ;-) |
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| 03:39.33 | nvz | heh |
| 03:39.56 | nvz | saying that makes me think you're eoither a smartass or going away with misinformation about how ssh logins work |
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| 06:10.10 | ssleRrerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.11 | ssleRrerr | UPMC: https://pc.cd/eEd7 /// SSA audio: https://pc.cd/A7motalK /// /// Apt7 album: https://ibb.co/album/cORCYv /// IDz album: https://ibb.co/album/jCnpDv /// vet: https://pc.cd/Ric /// /// SSA album: https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvask /// UPMC: https://pc.cd/eEd7 /// SSA audio: https://pc.cd/A7motalK /// /// Apt7 album: https://ibb.co/album/cORCYv /// IDz album: https://ibb.co/album/jCnpDv /// vet: |
| 06:10.11 | ssleRrerr | https://pc.cd/Ric /// /// SSA album: https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvask /// UPMC: https://pc.cd/eEd7 /// SSA audio: https://pc.cd/A7motalK /// /// SSA album: https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvask /// UPMC: https://pc.cd/eEd7 /// SSA audio: https://pc.cd/A7motalK /// /// SSA album: https://ibb.co/album/ma6mtvask /// UPMC: https://pc.cd/eEd7 /// SSA audio: https://pc.cd/A7motalK /// /// SSA album: |
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| 06:10.33 | findlayr | it seems that many people are bored. |
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| 06:13.29 | diogenes_ | even debhelper is lazy to stop that. |
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| 06:16.05 | spacewook | what is that spam |
| 06:16.30 | findlayr | spacewook: I have no idea, but I think someone is VERY bored right now... |
| 06:17.33 | gry | findlayr, did you use #debian-offtopic before? i'm not sure if you discovered it yet. seeing that you're not there. |
| 06:18.11 | gry | i'd perhaps ask diogenes_ the same, and was going to ask spacewook, but spacewook was quicker than me :) |
| 06:18.35 | findlayr | What? |
| 06:18.57 | gry | findlayr, click here >>> #debian-offtopic <<< |
| 06:19.05 | findlayr | ok I clicked it |
| 06:19.07 | gry | it is a new channel |
| 06:19.15 | gry | it should join you |
| 06:19.16 | findlayr | it doesn't do anything |
| 06:19.20 | jm_ | :) |
| 06:19.30 | findlayr | because irssi is a terminal-based client, lol |
| 06:19.38 | gry | findlayr, type "/join #debian-offtopic", then |
| 06:19.48 | findlayr | I just did |
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| 06:20.15 | gry | nice, thanks |
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| 06:26.04 | luis_ | I'm trying to install kernel 5.4.1 in debian 10 but when I get to put the public key it doesn't help me someone helps me |
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| 06:27.32 | jm_ | is kernel 5.3.9 from bpo not good enough? |
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| 06:29.55 | cubano | I'm trying to install kernel 5.4.1 in debian 10 but when I get to put the public key it doesn't help me someone helps me |
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| 06:30.43 | jm_ | cubano: is kernel 5.3.9 from bpo not good enough? |
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| 06:47.20 | fraktor | I'm trying to install Freecad with apt, but it says that there may be packages that have not yet been moved out of incoming (I'm using sid). How can I fix this issue or know when it is resolved? It's been occuring over the past week. I have been updating the index regularly. |
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| 06:52.55 | jm_ | fraktor: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/freecad â > 5 binary packages have unsatisfiable dependencies (click on > to get the details) |
| 06:53.56 | fraktor | Ooh, fun. I'll keep an eye on that; thanks! |
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| 08:00.41 | dob1 | I would like to skip n characters in every line of a file |
| 08:01.02 | dob1 | something like cat file | skip_n_characters |
| 08:01.23 | jm_ | skip which n characters? |
| 08:01.41 | dob1 | 160 |
| 08:01.57 | jm_ | well, first 160? last 160? middle (again which) 160? |
| 08:02.07 | dob1 | skip first 160 characters |
| 08:02.18 | dob1 | maybe tr? |
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| 08:04.55 | jm_ | | cut -c 160- |
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| 08:06.10 | jm_ | probably 161 |
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| 08:06.56 | dob1 | jm_, it works, the - at the end what is? |
| 08:07.03 | dob1 | it's like a range? |
| 08:07.20 | jm_ | dob1: man cut explains it: N- from N'th byte, character or field, to end of line |
| 08:07.42 | dob1 | thanks |
| 08:07.56 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 10:06.15 | mllie | Hi guys! Not really a debian question, but more of a network question. I have a ubiquiti edgerouter and have set up both eth0 and eth0.845 which both should request an IP-address from DHCP, but somehow it is only one of the interfaces that gets one. Any idea how to debug it? |
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| 10:07.22 | ratrace | mllie: yeah, not really a debian question. |
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| 10:08.41 | Kyros | mllie: try ##networking it is usually active |
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| 10:09.38 | mllie | Kyros: Thanks! |
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| 11:23.51 | soulstealerVayne | hello :) |
| 11:23.56 | soulstealerVayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.12 | soulstealerVayne | wanted to format that drive for a friend |
| 11:25.39 | jm_ | maybe it' not happy with the way you created GPT, try comparing it to how windows creates it |
| 11:25.53 | soulstealerVayne | how do I compare that? |
| 11:26.17 | soulstealerVayne | it is a 3TB HDD so I think MBR can't be use if I want to access the whole drive, right? |
| 11:26.37 | jm_ | yes, a tool like gdisk should be able to show all the details |
| 11:26.50 | soulstealerVayne | Oh an in Windows device manager it sees the partition I created and formatted but it just doesn't assign a drive letter |
| 11:27.11 | soulstealerVayne | let me check the man page for gdisk then :) |
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| 11:27.46 | jm_ | it's an interactive tool like fdisk, commands like 'l' or 'i' should help |
| 11:27.57 | jm_ | not l but p |
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| 12:14.18 | _xendron | i can't connect to a (debian) sftp server with public key from my mac, but i can connect to the same sftp server from another debian server. |
| 12:14.23 | _xendron | what could be the issue? |
| 12:14.59 | jm_ | are both present in authorized_keys file? |
| 12:15.11 | _xendron | yes, tested this several times |
| 12:15.16 | ratrace | _xendron: server side logs, or running client side openssh with -v will tell you more; probably public key format |
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| 12:15.32 | jm_ | same key type for both? |
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| 12:16.52 | _xendron | the version on both debian servers of openssh are the same (OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u6, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016) the version on the mac = OpenSSH_7.9p1, LibreSSL 2.7.3 |
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| 12:19.07 | _xendron | "same key type for both?" => i did not specify the key type (just used the command 'ssh-keygen'). given these are different versions of openssh, i assume different defaults were used |
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| 12:20.15 | jm_ | look in authorized_keys and check what it says there |
| 12:20.24 | ratrace | _xendron: server side logs, or running client side openssh with -v will tell you more; probably public key format |
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| 12:23.02 | _xendron | @jm_ actually, both use rsa type keys |
| 12:23.55 | jm_ | _xendron: as in ssh-rsa? those should be supported, I would proceed with what ratrace said (sometimes you need to run sshd with -v... to get the details) |
| 12:24.18 | ratrace | ssh not sshd |
| 12:24.30 | jm_ | no, in some cases it has to be sshd |
| 12:24.44 | ratrace | on the server side, but no need, the logs are there, could be made more verbose even |
| 12:24.54 | _xendron | i posted above the output of sshd -v => OpenSSH_6.0p1 on both debian servers, OpenSSH_7.9p1 on the mac |
| 12:25.06 | ratrace | ... |
| 12:25.27 | jm_ | sorry, it's -d... on server side |
| 12:25.40 | ratrace | and no, don't run sshd with already running sshd... use the logs, luke. |
| 12:25.44 | jm_ | but start with the easy option first, like mentioned above |
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| 12:26.20 | _xendron | check i check the logs for ssh or sftp to identify the issue? |
| 12:26.44 | jm_ | <ratrace> _xendron: server side logs, or running client side openssh with -v will tell you more; probably public key format |
| 12:26.50 | ratrace | sftp is done over ssh, so same logs apply. journalctl -u ssh.service or check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 12:28.21 | _xendron | can i post 2 lines of log here? or pastebin? |
| 12:28.43 | jm_ | go ahead |
| 12:28.49 | _xendron | Dec 5 14:27:42 SFTPSRV-HEL sshd[3041]: Invalid user JA_Advisors_usr from 10.10.10.140 |
| 12:28.49 | _xendron | Dec 5 14:27:42 SFTPSRV-HEL sshd[3041]: input_userauth_request: invalid user JA_Advisors_usr [preauth] |
| 12:29.00 | jm_ | ahh you're the person from yesterday |
| 12:29.06 | _xendron | yes :) |
| 12:29.16 | ratrace | well, invalid user :) |
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| 12:30.15 | _xendron | JA_Advisors_usr should be JAM_Advisors_usr ... my bad |
| 12:30.35 | jm_ | it doesn't matter what it is if system says it's invalid username |
| 12:31.05 | _xendron | i mean, that was the reason why it couldnt connect.. i misspelled JAM*usr.. |
| 12:31.15 | ratrace | !next |
| 12:31.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:31.35 | _xendron | (correct spelling results in successful pubkey authentication) |
| 12:31.45 | jm_ | :) |
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| 13:12.18 | Antioch | Hello, Im a linux newbie and I have a question. I'm using a debian variant and I noticed that it mounts my HDDs under /srv/, I may be mistaken but a long time ago when I first tried linux I seem to recall them being mounted under /mnt/ -- was there a change? If so, why? |
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| 13:12.59 | ratrace | Antioch: you'll have to ask the debian variant's developers |
| 13:13.02 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 13:13.02 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 13:13.18 | Antioch | it's a generic linux question though |
| 13:13.24 | ratrace | nope |
| 13:13.26 | whislock | No, it isn't. |
| 13:13.38 | ratrace | nothing in debian mounts disks under /srv unless you explicitly configure it so |
| 13:13.39 | whislock | Your distro may be configured to do things in a certain way. |
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| 13:13.55 | soulstealerVayne | oh that's odd, I know some distos use /media but /srv is strange |
| 13:14.11 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.14 | whislock | soulstealerVayne: /media is usually used for automounting. /mnt is usually used for static mounts. |
| 13:14.18 | Antioch | Well, it is a linux question relating to FHS then, if you wish I will take it elsewhere. |
| 13:14.34 | Namarrgon | there is ##linux for generic linux questions |
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| 13:15.12 | whislock | Antioch: Your question is not a generic linux question. Your distro is doing something outside the norm. As your distro's support/devs/community. |
| 13:15.25 | whislock | s/As/Ask/ |
| 13:15.28 | Antioch | Well, no. Google doesn't give a straight answer on it. |
| 13:15.35 | Antioch | Regardless, I will take this question elsewhere. |
| 13:15.37 | Antioch | Thank you for your time. |
| 13:15.43 | ratrace | a linux question relating to FHS would be answered by FHS doesn't mandate any mounts under /srv. |
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| 13:15.59 | ratrace | nor hier(7) |
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| 13:18.19 | soulstealerVayne | @whislock do you know why it has to be :%d/foo/bar/ in vim? |
| 13:18.23 | soulstealerVayne | *%s |
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| 13:19.04 | whislock | soulstealerVayne: :s/ only operates on a single line. To execute the command across the entire file, % is used to indicate such. |
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| 13:19.14 | soulstealerVayne | thx |
| 13:19.54 | whislock | That applies to the substitution command. Not sure if there are others. |
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| 13:23.30 | dob1 | just to understand, what is the difference between 'text' and "text" ? |
| 13:23.47 | dob1 | in bash, for example echo "test" , echo 'text" |
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| 13:24.04 | dob1 | I mean "text" will evaluate variables? |
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| 13:25.19 | fredl | hi folks, I have PHP FPM 7.3 installed on a Debian 10 box |
| 13:25.32 | fredl | as well as the php-memcached module |
| 13:26.02 | fredl | but it seems somehow that module doesn't get loaded at startup even though I have enabled it with phpenmod 'n all |
| 13:26.33 | fredl | Is there some Debian specific way to enable PHP modules? |
| 13:27.04 | fredl | It loads the ini file for it, see https://tradegrey.3dn.nl/t.php |
| 13:27.23 | fredl | But I don't see any memcached section in the phpinfo() output |
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| 13:30.10 | ratrace | dob1: yea |
| 13:31.00 | dob1 | ratrace, ok, if I write multiline text on console using ' (or " can I go back after a newline? |
| 13:31.17 | ratrace | I don't know, TIAS :) |
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| 13:31.54 | ratrace | fredl: how do you know the module is not loaded then? |
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| 13:33.18 | ratrace | fredl: the presence of ini should suggest the module is configured to be loaded, as the ini itself has the extension=memcached.so directive. |
| 13:33.38 | ratrace | you can also check with php -m |
| 13:34.23 | ratrace | and note, there's memcache and memcached, for your maximum confusion pleasure. |
| 13:34.32 | fredl | ratrace - if it were loaded it would have its section in phpinfo() output wouldn't it? |
| 13:34.40 | ratrace | fredl: not necessarily |
| 13:34.43 | fredl | yeah I use memcached, I know |
| 13:35.15 | fredl | Also, I have nextcloud installed which has its CLI PHP cronscript.... |
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| 13:35.35 | fredl | And it started mailing me errors after I started futzing around with this |
| 13:36.04 | fredl | saying it can't find the symbol igbinary_serialize |
| 13:36.20 | fredl | So I reinstalled php-igbinary and that gives errors |
| 13:36.26 | fredl | WARNING: Module igbinary ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.3/mods-available |
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| 13:36.41 | fredl | so seems somethign is a little fubar |
| 13:37.21 | ratrace | fredl: dpkg -L php-igbniary | grep .ini |
| 13:37.22 | fredl | when I look with dpkg -L php-igbinary I do see /etc/php/7.3/mods-available/igbinary.ini |
| 13:37.31 | ratrace | fredl: and is the file there? |
| 13:37.43 | fredl | no! |
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| 13:37.48 | ratrace | try reinstalling the package |
| 13:38.01 | ratrace | could be some installation error occurred before that you missed? |
| 13:38.07 | fredl | Well that's what I just did :) apt-get --reinstall install php-igbinary |
| 13:38.15 | fredl | lemme just remove/reinstall |
| 13:38.46 | ratrace | fredl: can you pastebin `apt-cache policy php-igbinary` |
| 13:38.55 | fredl | ahhh now it's back |
| 13:38.58 | fredl | OMG :P |
| 13:39.18 | fredl | so purge/install does something else than apt --reinstall |
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| 13:39.22 | ratrace | that's not btrfs perchance you're running there? |
| 13:39.42 | fredl | oh I forgot the policy check |
| 13:40.01 | fredl | btrfs? I guess that's not to me ha? |
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| 13:40.29 | ratrace | fredl: yeah it was for you :) |
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| 13:41.32 | fredl | oh... joking? No, not using btrfs |
| 13:41.40 | fredl | why, is that fubar? |
| 13:41.50 | fredl | just ext4 |
| 13:42.12 | fredl | well I now see igbinary loaded in https://tradegrey.3dn.nl/t.php |
| 13:42.18 | fredl | see how it has its own section? |
| 13:42.26 | ratrace | well, it's weird that the file didn't install with no error |
| 13:42.27 | fredl | But still no memcached section! |
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| 13:43.18 | ratrace | fredl: php -m | grep memcache |
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| 13:43.48 | fredl | ergh |
| 13:43.51 | fredl | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library 'memcached.so' (tried: /usr/lib/php/20180731/memcached.so (/usr/lib/php/20180731/memcached.so: undefined symbol: php_msgpack_serialize), /usr/lib/php/20180731/memcached.so.so (/usr/lib/php/20180731/memcached.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 13:43.57 | fredl | damn wtf happened |
| 13:44.24 | ratrace | check your kernel logs for IO errors/problems, could also be corruption on the disk |
| 13:44.59 | ratrace | unless you're using some containerization/namespacing/overlayfs shenanigans |
| 13:45.02 | fredl | yeah looks like something may have botched on my filesystem indeed |
| 13:45.42 | fredl | I reinstalled php-msgpack as well, seemed to have same problem |
| 13:45.50 | fredl | now I see memcached in php -m |
| 13:45.57 | fredl | (without errors that is) |
| 13:46.26 | ratrace | could also run e2fsck with -c (though if that's rootfs, you'll need to unmount it I think) |
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| 13:46.59 | fredl | yeah I love unmounting my root filesystem :D |
| 13:47.08 | fredl | it's a bit disruptive |
| 13:47.10 | ratrace | inb4 someone says your HDD will reallocate/fix corruption way sooner than your fs is corrupt, I've got first hand evidence that's not the case, especially with SSDs |
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| 13:47.32 | fredl | bbl, thanks ratrace |
| 13:47.33 | ratrace | corrupt files on ext4, no badblocks or a peep from fsck or smart |
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| 13:49.42 | maxzor | Hello friends, this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506788 is still not solved on xml2 0.5-2. + the site is down, and searching the internet archive to find bad doc sucks. |
| 13:49.43 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/506788 in xml2 (closed): «man page basic fallacies »; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-11-24; last modified: 2017-12-18. |
| 13:50.24 | maxzor | Have to find the bug report to get the actual answer |
| 13:50.28 | ratrace | ,v xml2 |
| 13:50.29 | judd | Package: xml2 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4-3.1; stretch: 0.4-3.1+deb9u1; buster: 0.5-2; bullseye: 0.5-3; sid: 0.5-3 |
| 13:51.41 | maxzor | where can I submit an actual manpage? |
| 13:53.39 | ratrace | maxzor: changelog suggests the upstream is tarballs taken from Fedora, so maybe there, or ask the debian maintainer |
| 13:54.23 | maxzor | ratrace, ty |
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| 14:23.26 | AquaL1te | hi, i want to update debian 9 with a newer php version (can't update to debian 10 yet). what's the reputation of this repo? https://packages.sury.org/ any good experience? |
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| 14:24.06 | Chunkyz | Why not go to 10 AquaL1te |
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| 14:27.41 | AquaL1te | Chunkyz: i'm working on my new setup (with high availability and better hardware - it's a home lab system) - but it's not ready yet. meanwhile nextcloud and other stuff is running on a php version which already has no security maintenance for one year... it's of course still maintained by the debian security team (best-effort) and i'm still running a supported nextcloud version. but i don't want to put |
| 14:27.47 | AquaL1te | it on too much risk. i expect to be ready in only one month from now |
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| 14:28.19 | Chunkyz | Fair enough |
| 14:29.29 | ratrace | AquaL1te: be aware of some backwards incompatible changes between 7.0 and 7.3 |
| 14:31.07 | AquaL1te | ratrace: good advice, i'll check the release notes of the stuff i run on the system. (probably will just shutdown the stuff that can be shut off and put the rest behind my vpn). i'll give it some more thought. thanks anyway! |
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| 14:31.47 | VLMC | Hi, I have a Debian Buster server that I've set up with samba, I can't get true guest access to it, I still have to type in "nobody" as the username. Any pointers? |
| 14:32.38 | nvz | VLMC: you wanna show the config, the logs, or you expect us to hack in and get them ourselves? |
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| 14:33.23 | VLMC | nvz: yes pls |
| 14:33.40 | nvz | heh |
| 14:33.43 | VLMC | with a side of sass :P |
| 14:33.44 | cookie4700 | permission to hack VLMC's server for nvz granted xD |
| 14:34.01 | VLMC | hahaha |
| 14:34.31 | Chunkyz | Lmao |
| 14:35.38 | nvz | VLMC: http://paste.debian.net/1119626/ the head of my samba config |
| 14:35.43 | nvz | guest works fine for me |
| 14:35.56 | VLMC | >usershare allow guests |
| 14:36.00 | VLMC | let me check if I have that |
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| 14:37.14 | nvz | on my server I have all the shares in /srv/ set to guest only read-only and then have write with quotas for users homedirs |
| 14:37.46 | VLMC | I put mine under /var/www |
| 14:38.01 | VLMC | It's basically an internal-only HTTPS host that can serve whatever you put in the samba share |
| 14:38.14 | VLMC | Such as images or PDFs to be referenced in our old AF intranet |
| 14:38.51 | cookie4700 | from what client do you try to access your smb server, VLMC? |
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| 14:39.02 | VLMC | cookie4700: Windows Explorer |
| 14:39.09 | VLMC | I'm trying to get the config into a paste atm |
| 14:39.27 | cookie4700 | do you already have another connection to the smb server? |
| 14:39.31 | VLMC | no |
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| 14:41.17 | nvz | yeah I think servers putting things in /var/ especially buried deep in there like transmission does, is not a good thing |
| 14:42.06 | VLMC | https://gist.github.com/acerspyro/7f4433debaaa3addcd36a763e78a7f54 |
| 14:42.11 | nvz | I make use of the newer /srv and typically create a seperate filesystem for it |
| 14:42.37 | VLMC | nvz: I always found it weird that /var/ is the location of choice for this stuff |
| 14:42.55 | ratrace | it's tradition |
| 14:42.55 | VLMC | It's not where it belongs imo, but it's the default so applications expect things to be there by default |
| 14:43.12 | cookie4700 | could you comment out the line map to guest = bad user and restart samba? eventually comment also out on share guest only = ... |
| 14:45.21 | nvz | spoken like someone who doesn't know what that setting means |
| 14:45.58 | nvz | map to guest = bad user causes anyone who may try login with an invalid username to be treated as a guest |
| 14:48.01 | VLMC | yeah no didn't solve it, as per nvz's mention |
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| 14:49.36 | nvz | samba in user share mode has to also respect unix permissions |
| 14:49.57 | nvz | which means whoever the samba user maps to, must be able to access the location |
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| 14:51.11 | nvz | but without configs, logs, and specific question including what's actually happening, all I can do is offer general info and examples |
| 14:51.50 | VLMC | Right now the permission to it, is nobody:nogroup |
| 14:52.15 | VLMC | nvz: let me know exactly what you need |
| 14:52.38 | VLMC | Basically, as per my original message, I can login using "nobody" and no password, but that's not seamless and I don't want to explain to users how to do that |
| 14:53.12 | nvz | is guest account set to nobody? |
| 14:53.14 | VLMC | Ideally, I'd like to set up AD Auth. The server is already domain-joined and can poll AD for users and groups, but I can't login as a user or map AD groups to Unix permissions. |
| 14:53.40 | VLMC | nvz: I don't know where that's set |
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| 14:53.53 | nvz | well then you have a smbpass for nobody is the issue |
| 14:53.56 | Akuw | how can i search for a service and stop it at same time |
| 14:54.04 | nvz | and you don't have map to guest = bad password |
| 14:54.10 | greycat | You don't. That's just nonsense. |
| 14:54.23 | greycat | You identify the service's name by any means necessary, and then you stop it using its name once you know it. |
| 14:54.27 | Akuw | systemctl list-unit-files bluetooth.service |
| 14:54.42 | greycat | The identification of the service name is a ONE TIME operation. The knowledge is stored in your brain forever. |
| 14:54.43 | VLMC | nvz: yeah was part of the default config |
| 14:54.46 | Akuw | but i need to search systemctl list-unit-files service*.service |
| 14:54.55 | Akuw | and stop the services returned |
| 14:54.59 | Akuw | is there any option |
| 14:55.06 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 14:55.18 | ratrace | systemctl stop 'service*.service' ? |
| 14:55.39 | greycat | Please resign from your job and go do something you can't screw up. |
| 14:55.45 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:58.42 | nvz | somehow I think I know what their actual issue is.. cause I've had similar issues with bluetooth :P |
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| 15:01.32 | VLMC | nvz: figured it out |
| 15:01.59 | VLMC | map untrusted to domain = yes was set |
| 15:02.07 | VLMC | commented it out, works now |
| 15:02.09 | nvz | VLMC: kudos cause I was just about to tell you I can't help you cause youre using security = ads |
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| 15:02.22 | nvz | I only know security = user and security = share |
| 15:02.31 | VLMC | nvz: yeah I had tried AD auth with this since this is an AD environment |
| 15:02.31 | nvz | don't know crap about ads |
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| 15:03.47 | nvz | I'd run away screaming, personally |
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| 15:04.06 | VLMC | Windows environment |
| 15:04.13 | VLMC | I'm the one forcing Linux in there :P |
| 15:04.33 | VLMC | Cheaper costs, more reliable servers |
| 15:05.00 | nvz | yeah.. you'll burn out eventually |
| 15:05.04 | nvz | :D |
| 15:05.46 | nvz | kudos to those who try |
| 15:05.51 | VLMC | hahaha I'm looking to move more into software dev than IT rn |
| 15:06.31 | nvz | last time I tried to give idiots the benefit of linux servers they tried to sue/charge me with crimes |
| 15:07.00 | VLMC | how does that work |
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| 15:08.19 | nvz | was the local borough.. they had some state run borough association hosting their site.. they kept losing the site and restoring a 6mo or older backup.. I told them I can for very little get you your own server you can control and make your own backups.. next thing you know I'm being accused of reading their emails by some idiot who saw an MTA that wasnt being used by anyone in the building.. etc.. |
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| 15:08.54 | VLMC | seems like a huge stretch on their part |
| 15:09.19 | nvz | yeah they have no right to privacy to begin with nevermind the fact that their email was being hosted elsewhere and I had no access to it |
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| 15:31.25 | srged | I tought i have my automatic updates ON,. yet when i tried to manually update i got this... https://paste.debian.net/1119636/ |
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| 15:32.14 | whislock | srged: Define automatic updates. |
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| 15:32.33 | Hydr0p0nX | good news everyone |
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| 15:32.41 | srged | whislock: UnattendedUpgrades |
| 15:32.59 | whislock | srged: That only applies security updates. |
| 15:33.04 | Hydr0p0nX | nvidia driver doesn't hang during hibernate/suspend with KDE, seems to be an issue with XFCE |
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| 15:33.09 | whislock | srged: Any update that isn't defined as a security update isn't applied. |
| 15:33.24 | nvz | idk where people are getting this idea to use dist-upgrade for normal upgrades but based on my knowledge thats a VERY BAD idea |
| 15:33.45 | srged | whislock: oh is that so?> but then browser updates are important security updates dont they ? |
| 15:33.50 | whislock | srged: Not always. |
| 15:33.53 | nvz | dist-upgrade was made to do actual upgrades from one branch to the next and allows for things its not ordinarily allowed to do |
| 15:34.00 | srged | hmm |
| 15:34.37 | nvz | that could cause unnecessary catastrophic breakage of your system |
| 15:34.48 | whislock | nvz: The only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is that dist-upgrade will remove packages if they're no longer needed due to dependency changes. |
| 15:36.26 | nvz | thats what autoremove is for |
| 15:36.49 | ratrace | I just use "apt upgrade", seems to cover all the cases. |
| 15:36.51 | whislock | nvz: Not quite the same function. |
| 15:36.59 | nvz | and if thats the case, doing dist-upgrade after upgrade is pointless and wouldnt even do what running a autoremove afterward would do |
| 15:37.02 | whislock | nvz: Either way, please stop with the end-of-days FUD spouting in the channel. |
| 15:37.18 | annadane | dist-upgrade for the kernel though, right? or is this just a matter of using apt vs apt-get |
| 15:37.20 | whislock | nvz: You don't fully understand the mechanics that you're warning about. It's annoying. |
| 15:37.22 | VLMC | nvz: so it actually didn't work, my Windows install had the creds cached, but removing the AD config allowed guest to work properly. |
| 15:37.36 | VLMC | Tested on a colleague's machine |
| 15:37.47 | ratrace | dist-upgrade brings in new kernels, doesn't it? which is not uncommon during a Stable lifecycle |
| 15:37.54 | greycat | annadane: "apt" would cover that, or you can use the option to tell "apt-get" to install additional packages if needed |
| 15:38.07 | whislock | apt-get dist-upgrade/apt full-upgrade will remove packages if necessary to resolve dependency changes. It's that simple. |
| 15:38.08 | annadane | apt upgrade = upgrade kernel? |
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| 15:38.23 | ratrace | annadane: from what I remember, dist-upgrade will do what whislock said, remove unneded packages, and bring in new ones, like the kernel ones. it's not just for point release upgrades. |
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| 15:38.31 | whislock | It may remove packages no longer needed, or remove a package in preference for a different package if the dependencies have changed for some reason. |
| 15:38.33 | ratrace | but yeah, using just "apt upgrade" covers all those cases. |
| 15:38.51 | whislock | ratrace: It does not. apt upgrade will not remove a package in order to resolve dependency changes. |
| 15:38.54 | annadane | for point releases yeah really not generally needed |
| 15:39.12 | whislock | ratrace: That is the fundamental difference between upgrade and dist-/full-upgrade. |
| 15:39.22 | greycat | annadane: you're talking about a case where metapackage "foo" depends on real package "foo-1.5" and then the next version of foo depends on real package "foo-1.6". So there's an additional package to install. "apt upgrade" does that automatically. "apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs" also does this. |
| 15:39.39 | whislock | It's still not generally needed, but my issue here is with nvz telling people that it will have catastrophic effects, which is total BS. |
| 15:39.42 | ratrace | whislock: I see |
| 15:39.47 | annadane | thanks greycat |
| 15:40.32 | nvz | I think you're missing the point that the case just seen has 3 or more unofficial repositories, and there is no telling what an upgrade that allows for removal or addition of packages may cause |
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| 15:41.02 | whislock | nvz: unofficial repos are fraught with dangers no matter what operations you run. You're still spouting FUD, and you should stop. |
| 15:41.08 | nvz | when I've used dist-upgrade to actually do a dist-upgrade I know I'm doing an upgrade from one branch to the next, I've read the release notes, removed any and all 3rd party repos |
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| 15:41.46 | nvz | using dist-upgrade for just routine upgrades is dangerous as it is putting far more reliance on the repos and package maintainers to not cause breakage |
| 15:41.48 | whislock | nvz: See the previous. And your attempt to walk back or clarify is transparently dishonest, as your initial claim was that using dist-upgrade was harmful in general. |
| 15:42.05 | nvz | it is.. if not used for its intended purpose |
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| 15:42.14 | whislock | nvz: No, it isn't. End of story. |
| 15:42.38 | nvz | I'm not walking back anything, I still stand by the fact it should not be generally used in place of upgrade you can disagree all you like. |
| 15:42.45 | whislock | nvz: The next thing you need to type is 'man apt-get' in a different shell and read instead of spouting your nonsense here. |
| 15:43.02 | whislock | nvz: I'm not necessarily disagreeing as pointing out that you're flatly incorrect. |
| 15:43.07 | whislock | *plonk* |
| 15:43.45 | whislock | Now then. Anyone need *actual* help? Just not an X question, I am helpless with those. |
| 15:45.16 | annadane | how can i use my kali linux to hack obama? |
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| 15:45.46 | whislock | annadane: Step 1: nmap nsa.gov |
| 15:45.52 | whislock | (I wouldn't do that. ;) |
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| 15:52.26 | VLMC | whislock: I would |
| 15:52.39 | VLMC | I'm not american though |
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| 15:52.58 | VLMC | In soviet canada, population watches nsa |
| 15:52.59 | whislock | Oh, then go for it. |
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| 16:15.44 | Boohbah | annadane: Take control of the campaign's email servers. They are usually a weak point. |
| 16:15.54 | annadane | hahahahaha |
| 16:16.49 | Chunkyz | Uhm |
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| 16:50.49 | SlowJimmy | how can i change the locale in debian/hurd? |
| 16:51.30 | greycat | setting LANG doesn't work? does it use GNU libc? |
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| 16:54.04 | SlowJimmy | i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it didnt work |
| 16:54.15 | SlowJimmy | i also tried directly editing the file |
| 16:55.05 | SlowJimmy | greycat yes! |
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| 16:55.49 | jelly | SlowJimmy: you also need to log out and log back in after setting system locale for those to have effect in your interactive session |
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| 16:56.35 | SlowJimmy | Jelly i see ty |
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| 17:04.17 | nvz | I've been for a long time now using a "app" profile in firefox where I put the following http://paste.debian.net/1119643/ in ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profiledir>/chrome/userChrome.css and since 10.2 firefox-esr is showing nothing but a blank window yet the content is obviously still there it shows the status of hovering over a link, navigates to links I can click on but not see.. I've determined its due to the |
| 17:04.23 | nvz | #nav-bar selector, omitting that causes the content to be visible |
| 17:04.30 | nvz | can anyone confirm this issue or offer suggestions on a resolution? |
| 17:04.43 | nvz | I'm going to file a bug more than likely on this |
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| 17:08.13 | nvz | I'd greatly appreciate at least a confirmation that it has same behavior for someone else before I file a bug. it does it on any profile I have if I create the chrome/ dir and put that file userChrome.css in there with that content |
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| 17:10.27 | nvz | personally I fail to see how anything in chrome/userChrome.css is having any effect on the page content, and consider this a bug |
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| 17:14.26 | nvz | I fixed it with visibility: collapse *shrugs* |
| 17:14.36 | Chunkyz | ;0 |
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| 17:26.26 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/1119650/ revised userChrome.css fwiw |
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| 17:27.24 | nvz | still seems like a bug that its even possible to affect page content from this file.. but doesn't seem worth mentioning as before I was actually removing the elements which I suppose could trigger unexpected behavior |
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| 17:46.40 | jhutchins_wk | For some reason on of my chrome installs has no widgets on the toolbar. |
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| 17:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | I can resize by right-clicking and picking from the menu, but no widget. |
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| 17:54.48 | jhutchins_wk | No idea how it got that way, other apps are normal. |
| 17:56.31 | swift110 | hey all |
| 17:56.43 | findlayr | Hi |
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| 17:59.16 | nvz | jhutchins_wk: are you talking about chrome or chromium? |
| 18:00.56 | nvz | cause afaik one difference between chrome and chromium is customizable toolbar.. chromium afaik has no customizable toolbar |
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| 18:01.36 | annadane | stupid question, but when bullseye releases, what do i do about nvidia? i guess switch to nouveau for the upgrade, then check via nvidia-detect whether it's still supported by the same package i guess |
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| 18:01.57 | jhutchins_wk | nvz: To be honest, I'm not sure, I have both on different machines, but I think it's chromium. |
| 18:02.04 | jhutchins_wk | BRB, gotta reboot. |
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| 18:03.54 | nvz | ah no, seems chrome isnt customizable either.. extensions can add icons to the toolbar but thats about it |
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| 18:04.13 | nvz | you can show/hide bookmarks bar.. but other than that there is no customization of the toolbar |
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| 18:09.25 | swift110 | how r u findlayr |
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| 18:18.32 | Chunkyz | Uhm |
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| 18:19.01 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 18:19.40 | johnfg | I need to get an updated driver for my graphics card. It's running 2 monitors. |
| 18:20.09 | findlayr | I'm good |
| 18:20.21 | madre | Hola!! estoy comprobando si BitchX sigue rulando. |
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| 18:20.30 | greycat | !es |
| 18:20.30 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
| 18:20.31 | johnfg | When I do either an lspci, or run hardinfo, I see what I 'think', is the onboard graphics, but am not sure that I'm seeing the card. |
| 18:20.43 | johnfg | I'll paste the output... |
| 18:20.51 | emulated | Will Debian 11 use Wayland by default? How's its current support for Wayland? |
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| 18:21.22 | greycat | You mean "will debian 11 use Wayland for gnome sessions by default like Debian 10 does?" Probably. Unless something changes. |
| 18:21.59 | johnfg | https://paste.debian.net/1119665/ Do you see the card in this paste? |
| 18:22.17 | greycat | 01:00.1 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV515 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] (Secondary) |
| 18:22.36 | johnfg | greycat: very diplomatic answer :-) (your previous, i.e.) |
| 18:22.56 | emulated | greycat: I'm currently using KDE on Debian 10 and it's still using Xorg, that made me wonder |
| 18:23.13 | johnfg | greycat: So both my onboard and the Secondary are the same? |
| 18:23.26 | greycat | Deb 10 *only* uses Wayland with gnome. At least, out of the box. |
| 18:23.31 | johnfg | i.e., the same graphics chip? |
| 18:25.15 | emulated | greycat: I see |
| 18:25.22 | emulated | greycat: thank you |
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| 18:26.13 | johnfg | So, it just so happens that both use the same Radeon chipset? (If I'm saying that right) |
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| 18:28.47 | johnfg | greycat: Any thoughts on those last couple of questions? |
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| 19:02.50 | pablo_ | when I'm connect with ssh , and the line crash the xterm window lock. There is a way to restart the ssh without close xterm ? |
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| 19:03.22 | somiaj | pablo_: you can wait it out, or look for the process and kill it |
| 19:03.27 | greycat | You can kill the ssh client by pressing Enter ~ . |
| 19:03.40 | somiaj | ahh will have to remeber that shortcut. |
| 19:04.00 | greycat | (that . is a literal period, which you type, not the end of my sentence) |
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| 19:05.09 | epony | pablo_, see https://man.openbsd.org/ssh#ESCAPE_CHARACTERS |
| 19:05.10 | pablo_ | I do tilde with pagedown , but don't kill ssh |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | Enter Tilde Period |
| 19:05.29 | greycat | three characters |
| 19:05.40 | epony | (on a new line) |
| 19:05.41 | somiaj | my test worked for me, and killed my ssh client |
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| 19:06.01 | greycat | epony: that's what the Enter is for |
| 19:06.41 | epony | greycat, yeah, I'm a proponent of giving a minimum background info too |
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| 19:07.17 | pablo_ | nothing to so, sorry |
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| 19:11.48 | epony | pablo_, more details.. or try changing back your setup to defaults https://man.openbsd.org/ssh_config.5#TCPKeepAlive |
| 19:12.04 | almostdvs | I was disconnected during an upgrade from Jessie to Buster. What is the best way to resolve any issues caused by that? |
| 19:12.19 | gry | start the update again |
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| 19:12.35 | almostdvs | I ran another apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y but nothing changes |
| 19:12.44 | greycat | You can't upgrade straight from jessie to buster. |
| 19:12.58 | almostdvs | A few of my daemons now will not start |
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| 19:14.01 | somiaj | almostdvs: kinda depends on when the break occured, if during the download phase, easy, if during the install phase, you may have some artifacts laying around. |
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| 19:14.22 | almostdvs | I may be mistaken. I thought it was jessie |
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| 19:14.55 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone know if Apache Open Meetings is in the repository? And if so, what it is called? |
| 19:14.59 | almostdvs | yep, just checked my history it was stretch to Buster |
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| 19:16.02 | Chunkyz | Question, can I delete my bash/terminal previous commands? |
| 19:16.14 | almostdvs | When I run the command in one of the systemd unit files it runs no issue. When I try to start it with systemctl it hangs and doesn't do anything |
| 19:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | almostdvs: maybe aptitude -f install? |
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| 19:16.55 | jhutchins_wk | Chunkyz: Why? |
| 19:17.03 | greycat | Chunkyz: they're stored in ~/.bash_history after you end the bash session |
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| 19:17.23 | Chunkyz | greycat: thank you. |
| 19:17.29 | somiaj | almostdvs: systemctl status foo, check what is actually happening. |
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| 19:24.33 | almostdvs | it just says it is not active. doing a tail -f for that application log it shows no activity |
| 19:24.52 | greycat | So start it. |
| 19:24.59 | almostdvs | it just hangs |
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| 19:27.00 | almostdvs | there are several daemons; but this one in particular is corosync which logs to syslog |
| 19:27.32 | almostdvs | If I load the environment variables and use the same command that is in the systemd unit file; it starts and logs come across normally |
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| 19:27.51 | almostdvs | systemctl start corosync just sits there and nothing comes across syslog |
| 19:28.05 | somiaj | are you looking at the systemd logs, via systemctl status corosync or journald |
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| 19:28.24 | greycat | is rsyslogd running? |
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| 19:29.04 | somiaj | like look at ournalctl -u corosync.service |
| 19:29.19 | somiaj | arg, journalctl -u corosync.service |
| 19:29.25 | almostdvs | systemctl status and journalctl -xe do not show anything related to this service |
| 19:29.55 | almostdvs | no logs somiaj |
| 19:32.34 | almostdvs | rsyslog is running greycat |
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| 19:34.19 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone know the file name for Apache Open Meetings? |
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| 19:43.19 | Gigglebyte | I don't know if Apache Open Meetings is in the repository. I did a search for Apache, and don't find it. Also did a search for meeting and also don't find it. I was trying to find a platform independent screen sharing program. |
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| 19:45.26 | nvz | Gigglebyte: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27838216/Installation%20OpenMeetings%204.0.9%20on%20Debian%2010.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1564154771000&api=v2 |
| 19:46.11 | Gigglebyte | nvz> Thanks |
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| 19:48.12 | nvz | they seem to have wandered off before getting better suggestions :P |
| 19:48.47 | nvz | thats a whole lot of work, using databases and crap.. there are I'm sure simpler options.. skype does screen sharing for example |
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| 21:23.30 | jim | does the resolvconf package still add syntax usable in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:24.21 | greycat | !override dns |
| 21:24.21 | dpkg | To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf for more details. Note that by ignoring the DHCP-provided DNS servers, you may find that you are unable to use captive portals or surf the web on some network. Beware creating technical debt by doing things like chattr +i |
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| 21:24.23 | greycat | Read that wiki page. |
| 21:24.55 | greycat | Or if you don't actually want to FREEZE resolv.conf in place, just read the resolvconf documentation. |
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| 21:25.42 | jim | yes |
| 21:25.52 | jim | thanks, it gave me what I needed |
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| 21:39.53 | jim | greycat, does my /etc/resolv.conf have to be a symlink? |
| 21:40.32 | greycat | Does it say "Network Manager did this" inside the file that the symlink points to? Does it say networkmanager somewhere in the symlink's path? |
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| 21:41.30 | jim | greycat, I have a plain file, not a symlink, and so does the person I'm helping |
| 21:41.49 | greycat | sighs, throws hands in the air... |
| 21:42.19 | jim | I don't think he's running network manager, I'm definitely not on this machine |
| 21:42.52 | jim | so I'm trying to find out, if resolv.conf should be a symlink |
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| 21:43.13 | greycat | you're trying to figure out whether resolvconf is WORKING OR NOT? |
| 21:43.38 | greycat | why do people go out of their way to confuse me... what did I do... |
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| 21:44.26 | dvs | because it's December the 51st? |
| 21:44.37 | CrtxReavr | Does Debian have an "EPEL-alike?" |
| 21:45.01 | CrtxReavr | Broader set of packages outside official support? |
| 21:45.14 | jim | greycat, I'm just explaining the situation as it exists... and yes, the (plain file, not symlink) -does- say # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 21:45.51 | twobitsprite | CrtxReavr: what are you looking for? there are the "contrib" and "non-free" repositories, might be in there |
| 21:45.54 | jim | let me find out if the same is true of the person I'm helping |
| 21:46.00 | greycat | then your choices are to configure network manager directly, to install resolvconf and let IT hack up network manager for you, or to chattr the file (the nuclear option) |
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| 21:48.06 | somiaj | helping through a middle person is also difficult |
| 21:48.33 | somiaj | kinda like the old game of telephone. |
| 21:49.34 | somiaj | CrtxReavr: not really, though various debian matainers do create independet repos, like https://deb.sury.org/ |
| 21:49.35 | DammitJim | not sure if this is a debian or a networking problem... for some reason, I'm having intermittent issues with resolving DNS |
| 21:49.44 | DammitJim | it kinda comes and goes |
| 21:49.56 | DammitJim | I am not having this problem with my Windows Systems :( |
| 21:49.58 | somiaj | DammitJim: have you tried different name servers in /etc/resolv.conf ? Could be something with the nameserver you are using. |
| 21:50.17 | DammitJim | somiaj, my setup for some reason uses 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:50.42 | greycat | then check the logs of your resolver |
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| 21:50.57 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: you're running a local resolver, probably dnsmasq |
| 21:50.58 | somiaj | so it could be some issue with the local DNS server you are running/using. |
| 21:51.13 | DammitJim | yes, I just saw I have dnsmasq installed |
| 21:51.29 | DammitJim | it's happening to me and to another guy who is running Ubuntu |
| 21:52.00 | greycat | the plot thickens |
| 21:52.14 | greycat | oh wait, that's the OTHER jim |
| 21:52.14 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: are you running Ubuntu too? |
| 21:52.27 | DammitJim | no, I'm on jessie |
| 21:52.41 | somiaj | DammitJim: is it the same case, their resolv.conf is using 127.0.0.1 with dnsmasq? |
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| 21:56.24 | DammitJim | I shouldn't have said anything about Ubuntu... I think that's a bad word... |
| 21:56.28 | DammitJim | brushes his teeth with soap |
| 21:56.59 | DammitJim | so, what's weird with my system is that this seems to be an intermittent problem |
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| 21:57.10 | greycat | read the dnsmasq logs |
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| 21:57.49 | DammitJim | greycat, I'm trying to figure out what those logs are |
| 21:57.58 | DammitJim | there isn't a /var/log/dnsmasq |
| 21:58.04 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: maybe in journalctl |
| 21:58.26 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: journalctl -xu dnsmasq (or whatever the dnsmasq service is called) |
| 21:58.48 | jim | ok, looking at his (plain-file) resolv.conf, it does not say it was generated by anything (in fact, no comments in the file at all) |
| 21:58.56 | DammitJim | thanks! that's a new trick I need to save in my bag... journalctl -xu |
| 21:59.11 | DammitJim | ugh, it says: no entries |
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| 21:59.38 | twobitsprite | DammitJim: that "-u" is for "unit", it filters the journal to a specific service (which systemd calls "units" just to be confusing) |
| 21:59.51 | DammitJim | I"m looking for the unit now |
| 22:00.01 | DammitJim | because dnsmasq is not the name (I don't think) |
| 22:00.13 | jim | so on one machine I have (that I can't upgrade), /etc/resolv.conf is symlinked to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 22:00.32 | greycat | that sounds typical on a system where resolvconf is installed. |
| 22:01.55 | CrtxReavr | ProTip: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:02.08 | DammitJim | that's a good question... what am I running? resolvconf or dnsmasq? |
| 22:02.38 | greycat | Perhaps both. |
| 22:02.55 | DammitJim | duh for me |
| 22:03.02 | greycat | Perhaps the first part of understanding your problem should be understanding what you've installed. |
| 22:03.03 | DammitJim | I don't have dnsmasq installed (if that's a package) |
| 22:03.25 | greycat | 16:51 DammitJim> yes, I just saw I have dnsmasq installed |
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| 22:03.42 | greycat | I'm not imagining this, right? |
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| 22:07.21 | DammitJim | I have to confess... I was ssh'd into another system |
| 22:07.42 | DammitJim | and I thought it was mine!!! so, my fault and I apologize for the confusion which probably led to you guys make some suggestions |
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| 22:09.32 | DammitJim | ugh, I guess I'll have to troubleshoot tonight |
| 22:09.36 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 22:15.48 | FleaFart | Dual boot Debian current buster I think grub2 fails to load, just get a black screen the says GRUB > , I assume it happened because I had to use win and it prob did some upgrade. Is there a way to fix this because I do not want to loose the text files that I had created on my desktop (they are my linux links to things I learned while configuring and setting up debain for the first time) Because it was like pulling teeth to find and research and write |
| 22:15.48 | FleaFart | my book of install instructions.) |
| 22:16.11 | greycat | !fix grub |
| 22:16.11 | dpkg | takes grub to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 22:16.14 | greycat | !fixgrub |
| 22:16.14 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 22:19.42 | FleaFart | I didn't notice a LIVE CD option when I tried the Debian CD , am I blind, or do I need to download the livecd version of Debian buster |
| 22:20.32 | greycat | Just boot the installer. I believe it has a "rescue mode". If not, you can simply get a shell. |
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| 22:21.14 | FleaFart | yes, I seen and tried rescue mode, but the prompts, implied an overWrite... so I backed out. |
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| 22:26.45 | FleaFart | wish there was a Grub2.ORG created when first installed, so the Black GRUB> failed screen would give me an option to overwrite and replace what windows overwritten. My guess, it just a simple file replacement. Thanks for the feedback, I'll use a different distro that I have with a livecd, I never toss out the cds and have a collection as old as back|track 3 |
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| 22:27.01 | FleaFart | have a wonderful day |
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| 22:29.34 | dvs | ??? The rescue mode on the installer will replace what Windows did in the MBR. |
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| 22:32.47 | FleaFart | dvs, understood |
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| 22:34.55 | FleaFart | I am only worried about the text files on the Desktop, and rescue option is not clear as to what it does, an option that just said Grub repair ... would remove the mystery. |
| 22:35.01 | FleaFart | thanks |
| 22:35.33 | dvs | or "Repair the MBR"? |
| 22:37.18 | FleaFart | windows update wiped the grub, so I would assume that all that is needed is for Debian to create TWO grubs, and when the first once gets wiped, it knows to replace it with the second when the first grub is wiped. but I'll wait until 2099 for that patch to be implemented. |
| 22:37.54 | FleaFart | If I wasn't dumb as a stick, I would do it. LOL |
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| 22:39.05 | FleaFart | afk |
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| 22:44.45 | humbot | seems petty |
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| 22:51.48 | dvs | jay! |
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| 22:54.49 | FleaFart | hum bot, why so rude? |
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| 22:59.32 | humbot | they remove your bootloader, you remove their bootloader, kind of tit-for-tat don't you think |
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| 23:13.43 | crestfallen | hi I'd like to install debian 10 as a kvm virtual machine. I don't want a headless server, but how do we install the os without a desktop and merely xterm ? |
| 23:14.23 | crestfallen | I'd like to experiment with some pentesting |
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| 23:20.55 | FleaFart | humbot, so sorry to snap at you, thought you were a bot, my bad. As for the confusion; I only suggested that Debian could someday create an auto-restore-grub feature. |
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| 23:22.03 | FleaFart | crestfallen, I used back|track back in the day, I would search that if no one chimes in. |
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| 23:25.20 | crestfallen | FleaFart, thanks I thought that merged with kali linux |
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| 23:26.07 | crestfallen | but generally, during setup can you select just a terminal/ssh environment with no desktop? |
| 23:28.49 | hummingbee | yup |
| 23:29.55 | hummingbee | by default you get 6 ttys, originally 80x24 characters but now with a framebuffer much nicer |
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| 23:34.14 | FleaFart | I don't know, haven't tried linux in years, well since MS started wiping and making duel boot issues. It still an issue, I guess, and after you all figure it out, it not an issue for you guys an more. But it is such a pain, so just mentioning that new users would appreciate a automated solution. |
| 23:36.59 | Hydr0p0nX | i rebooted to windows recently due to a bios update changing my boot order :( |
| 23:37.02 | FleaFart | crestfallen, I wouldn't know how to access the terminal or ssh ,,, during the setup. What would I search to find a web page that shows this simple solution. |
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| 23:41.47 | FleaFart | !fixgrub |
| 23:41.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 23:41.48 | somiaj | if you use uefi it really isn't an issue any more |
| 23:42.05 | FleaFart | that has the info, I am good. |
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| 23:42.45 | somiaj | this is only an issue with legacy mbr systems that use the limited mbr boot loader, but modern uefi systems can have multiple .efi files on the same efi partition, and you can just use the firmware to choose which os to boot. This is nice and in some cases you can get away without even using grub, there use to be gummiboot, but I think systemd ate this up |
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| 23:43.17 | somiaj | Though windows might change its 'uefi' to be default, on uefi systems, you may need to just configure the firmware (and not follow that factoid) |
| 23:43.17 | FleaFart | somia, I have uefi |
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| 23:43.42 | somiaj | FleaFart: have you checked your firmware settings, (like f2 at startup), you might be able to see both the windows uefi and debian uefi files, and just select which one you want as default. |
| 23:43.59 | sponix | FleaFart: Is this a Laptop, only capable of holding a single drive ? |
| 23:44.01 | somiaj | different firmwares handel this differently, but on my system it was easy to select betwen the two. |
| 23:44.12 | FleaFart | awesome, I am part blind, and half way dumb |
| 23:44.14 | FleaFart | thanks |
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| 23:44.33 | FleaFart | Lenovo IBD yes, only one drive, |
| 23:44.42 | sponix | That sucks |
| 23:45.14 | FleaFart | I it has legacy and uefi and each win updates, messy with my head. |
| 23:45.28 | somiaj | yea, most systems support both making this even more confusing |
| 23:45.38 | somiaj | (add secure boot on top of that) |
| 23:45.42 | FleaFart | all good, |
| 23:47.21 | FleaFart | I selected ,,, use both legacy and uefi ,,, that might be the issue, I think I'll have to let win change the bios and then reinstall, debian with the bios that win wants. |
| 23:47.31 | FleaFart | that said, new topic |
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| 23:48.15 | FleaFart | I want to use debian as a Media Center, is there a distro for that, or do I just search for debian media center? |
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| 23:49.09 | somiaj | debian provides a framework you can configure it to do what you want, but I dn |
| 23:49.48 | somiaj | I don't know of any setup that will make it a media center. Other distros might specialize in this, but from a debian base install, you can install what you need (including IR readers so a remote works) to make it a media center. |
| 23:49.52 | FleaFart | yes, my question should have been, who has a great debian media system, and how did they do it. |
| 23:51.01 | FleaFart | https://linuxconfig.org/amp-up-your-multimedia-experience-on-debian-9-stretch-linux |
| 23:51.26 | FleaFart | works very well on my devuan, but wanted to know what to do on the buster distro |
| 23:52.10 | dvs | I thought xbmc was a media center, or is it just a media server? |
| 23:52.29 | FleaFart | it is kodi now |
| 23:52.55 | FleaFart | and is included in the above link |
| 23:52.58 | somiaj | I would say what you need to do should be very similar. |
| 23:53.08 | somiaj | (assuming all of the software is still available in buster) |
| 23:53.28 | FleaFart | yes, but half of them don't work any more, the kodi does very well on both distros |
| 23:54.44 | dvs | uses Plex, but you didn't hear it from him... |
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| 23:57.07 | somiaj | I got lazy and just use a roku. |
| 23:57.12 | FleaFart | Off topic: (if you know someone with autism and or crohns/IBD/digestive or issues, search SCD reciepts) I have been pain free for over a year, and my brain is starting to function again. |
| 23:57.34 | FleaFart | dvs LOL |
| 23:59.06 | FleaFart | it not an ad, it just says find meals with less starch, and quit sugar. But you can not do it without receipts... it is off topic. but it a good think to know. |
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| 23:59.36 | FleaFart | pm me if wanting more info |