| 00:00.10 | nvz | sponix: I can't imagine why people use that |
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| 00:00.41 | Miles8of9 | how did you install linux on that? i have read that fans run at full speed if they don't detect osx installed |
| 00:01.01 | WoC | Miles8of9: modprobe windfarm-core |
| 00:01.24 | WoC | Live Long and Prosper ;) |
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| 00:01.59 | WoC | Miles8of9: installing from CD is the best way |
| 00:02.24 | Miles8of9 | that was another question... it can't boot from usb |
| 00:02.30 | sponix | nvz: yeah, you didn't need to hit me with that. But if you want to know some of the advantages, I can link you to a well written review, if you will give it a read :) |
| 00:02.57 | WoC | unless the force is with you... if so, it may be possible to install from usb stick. Never figured out the openfirmware device name so i could not |
| 00:03.23 | nvz | sponix: I'm not going to right now, but yeah, I wouldnt mind knowing wth someone would use a distro based on the universal OS, that has virtually no support community.. |
| 00:03.27 | WoC | it CAN boot from usb, but it takes some voodoo to figure out the device name |
| 00:03.47 | nvz | sponix: cause we sure as shit aren't going to pickup the slack for them or anyone else who uses debian to spinoff a distro |
| 00:04.24 | nyov | nvz, plot twist: you already did |
| 00:04.27 | Miles8of9 | i could bring back to life my g5... :D |
| 00:04.33 | nvz | sponix: cause I know why I use debian, its all in the Why Debian and Social Contract documents on debian.org and right here in front of your eyes :P |
| 00:04.56 | nvz | nyov: heh |
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| 00:05.26 | WoC | Miles8of9: just dont expect GUI to be fast and snappy |
| 00:05.29 | nyov | still, I disagree. let the clone wars come. diversity is good for the ecosystem |
| 00:05.33 | Miles8of9 | does it have any recent software? browsers? libreoffice? |
| 00:05.35 | sponix | nyov: don't salt the wound |
| 00:05.36 | WoC | unless you have nVidia |
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| 00:05.58 | Miles8of9 | if i remember correctly it's a radeon card |
| 00:06.05 | nvz | nyov: only non-debian thing I really see valid for most support is armbian.. cause they actually do use our packages unmodified.. their repos have like a dozen packages total.. kernel, drivers, thats about it.. as long as the questions arent about hardware or the installer, its applicable |
| 00:06.26 | WoC | ok, Miles8of9 factory default then. It's super slow, fyi |
| 00:06.50 | WoC | i dont use gui |
| 00:06.51 | Miles8of9 | and you can't change it because card's firmware is flashed |
| 00:07.33 | WoC | Miles8of9: you can change it, but if you do, you may lose the console in openfirmware |
| 00:07.41 | Miles8of9 | no gui? what browser do you use? lynx ?? |
| 00:07.51 | nvz | sponix: the questions you asked were vague general questions and you were satisfied with answers in kind.. you didnt draw me out into supporting something I couldnt reproduce |
| 00:07.51 | WoC | not to mention, hard to get a compat card |
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| 00:08.06 | WoC | lynx/links/w3m |
| 00:08.18 | Miles8of9 | no images at all.. -_- |
| 00:08.59 | WoC | there is arctic-fox, based on firefox, but it's an old firefox |
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| 00:09.48 | Miles8of9 | what is the console in openfirmware? |
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| 00:10.45 | sponix | nvz: well, when time permits please give this a read https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20191104#mx and MX uses Debian Buster repo, its backports, and just adds an mxrepo to it with additional app support. It still reports as Debian when asked also. Only internal deviation I know of from Debian off the top of my head, is it defaults to SysV init .. But from what I've read even that can be switched in favor of systemd if needed |
| 00:10.58 | WoC | Miles8of9: a nightmare |
| 00:11.16 | WoC | or heaven, if you know fortran |
| 00:11.35 | sponix | nvz: I'm not hear to deceive though. And more often find myself helping Debian users, than needing help myself :) |
| 00:12.31 | nyov | that's the spirit. let's keep helping each other. |
| 00:12.42 | sponix | reminds me though, I do need to update all my virtual machines |
| 00:13.21 | sponix | nyov: I run a dozen or so VM's and often now record instructions for new users when they can't grasp the wording |
| 00:13.54 | sponix | Most of that is done with Linux Mint at the moment, but I don't mind firing up whatever the user has to fit the bill |
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| 00:16.34 | Miles8of9 | omg lol fortran |
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| 00:18.42 | Miles8of9 | i remember nvidia video card was VERY expensive... that's why i didn't chose it |
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| 00:20.58 | Miles8of9 | i loved that g5 so much... until apple abandoned it... 6 months before it was on the apple store high priced.. 6 months later it was litterally garbage.. |
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| 00:25.47 | Miles8of9 | i read that debian can be installed in uefi or bios mode... what's the difference? how do i choose what kind of install? |
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| 00:35.46 | sponix | Miles8of9: outside of uefi mode being required for some obscure vm pcie passthrough stuff -- there isn't a whole ton of difference IMHO :) |
| 00:36.10 | sponix | Miles8of9: If you have UEFI, might as well boot the installer that way, and do UEFI |
| 00:36.32 | Miles8of9 | how do i know if i have uefi? |
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| 00:37.08 | sponix | Miles8of9: most plaster UEFI at the top of the BIOS screen for starters. And there there are boot modes to enable different levels of it in there also :) |
| 00:37.33 | sponix | Miles8of9: might as well set OS type "other" and Secure Boot off while you are in there |
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| 00:39.43 | Miles8of9 | so... i hit f2 at boot and set uefi options there? |
| 00:40.19 | sponix | Miles8of9: if that is the key to enter your boards UEFI/BIOS system -- yes |
| 00:40.51 | sponix | for some reason they can't come together and make a "standard" for what that key is. My Asus X99 board will accept like 3 or 4 different keys lol |
| 00:40.51 | Miles8of9 | hmm maybe i don't have uefi... it's a normal blue screen with black text... :D |
| 00:41.14 | sponix | Miles8of9: if you have no mouse support -- Yeah, not likely UEFI |
| 00:41.30 | Miles8of9 | noo no no no... no mouse there! |
| 00:41.55 | nyov | on a ppc? you don't :D |
| 00:42.58 | Miles8of9 | my ppc is sleeping in a box in the basement... -_- |
| 00:43.57 | Miles8of9 | when i switched it off for the last time there was no more software for it... osx leopard if i remember |
| 00:44.47 | sponix | nyov: hmm, I wasn't tracking what type of rig/arch we are working with. Keep forgetting Debian does a load of them |
| 00:44.54 | Miles8of9 | it also produced a nice amount of heat that really helped warming the room on winter :D |
| 00:45.03 | sponix | Miles8of9: So, you are wanting to install Debian on a PPC Mac ? |
| 00:45.28 | Miles8of9 | sponix, no, plain amd-radeon pc.. :D |
| 00:46.10 | nyov | ah, I mistook you for the other person |
| 00:46.31 | nyov | dang nick coloring |
| 00:46.34 | sponix | nyov: all those guys setting behind keyboards look alike at some point ;) |
| 00:47.00 | Miles8of9 | i also have a ppc... but i won't put it on use again without decent gui |
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| 01:09.57 | somiaj | hmm, I have two files that appear to be linked (maybe hard links) but how would I check this, I don't see anything in ls -l that seems to state they are linked |
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| 01:10.50 | sponix | somiaj: I haven't used a hard link in forever. it should have some attribute in ls -l though I would think.. similar to the soft links |
| 01:12.22 | somiaj | I haven't ever used hard links, but if I edit one file, the other changes, but I don't see anything noticiable in ls -l |
| 01:13.23 | somiaj | http://paste.debian.net/1120014 |
| 01:14.09 | sponix | somiaj: let me guess the none.html with the very small file size ? |
| 01:14.51 | somiaj | no that file is fine |
| 01:15.00 | somiaj | the top and bottom are linked (see they have the exact same info) |
| 01:15.17 | somiaj | and if I edit one, the other is edited. |
| 01:15.38 | sponix | somiaj: do "ls -i" it should list them both as the same "inode" if linked |
| 01:15.39 | somiaj | I could copy/delete to recover this, but I'm intersted to know how they are linked (since I can't seem to see it) |
| 01:15.58 | sponix | and yes, I just had to google that :P |
| 01:16.08 | somiaj | ahh yea, they do have the same inode, this a hard linke? |
| 01:16.09 | somiaj | link? |
| 01:16.30 | themill | yes |
| 01:16.43 | sponix | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-find-all-hard-links-in-a-directory-on-linux/ |
| 01:16.56 | themill | the numeric column at the start of "ls -l" also shows the number of hard links fwiw |
| 01:17.09 | sponix | see, we all do learn something new every day -- or hell, learn it over again for that matter :) |
| 01:17.29 | somiaj | so total 12 says there are hard links? |
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| 01:18.13 | themill | (that number isn't the number of hard links when it comes to directories) |
| 01:18.39 | somiaj | ahh, well anyways, thanks for the info. |
| 01:18.53 | themill | somiaj: no, the number on the line -- it's 1 or 2 in your paste |
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| 01:19.22 | somiaj | oh I see, guess I never really payed attention to that number, so totally over looked it |
| 01:19.41 | themill | the 2 next to default.html and notes.html being that there are hardlinks to them |
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| 01:24.22 | kernel | hello all |
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| 01:34.03 | sponix | Guest77377: rocking a guest nick -- for SHAME |
| 01:35.17 | abff | sponix: ? |
| 01:35.34 | WhispersInAkarra | Can someone help me install a .deb package? I feel like an idiot |
| 01:36.01 | whislock | WhispersInAkarra: dpkg -i <file.deb> ? |
| 01:36.02 | themill | WhispersInAkarra: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 01:36.11 | whislock | WhispersInAkarra: But that's a better question. |
| 01:36.26 | Guest77377 | lol tried to change it to what im known by but it failed lol sponix |
| 01:37.04 | kernelLTS | there sponix lol |
| 01:37.09 | sponix | kernelLTS: Yeah, freenode is "big" likely already another "kernel" on here |
| 01:37.27 | LaurentDumont | You can also `apt-get install ./file.deb` |
| 01:37.33 | kernelLTS | well kernellts worked lol sponix |
| 01:37.40 | WhispersInAkarra | Aaaah |
| 01:37.44 | WhispersInAkarra | I needed the ./ |
| 01:37.55 | WhispersInAkarra | I guess it's the same as basically executing a file for safety |
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| 01:38.46 | whislock | I think it's more to syntactically differentiate between a file name and a package name. |
| 01:39.23 | WhispersInAkarra | Isn't a package a file? |
| 01:40.01 | LaurentDumont | You can install the deb with dpkg but you might be missing dependencies so you might end up needing `apt-get install -f` still. |
| 01:40.02 | whislock | apt install vim tells apt to retrieve the vim deb from the package mirror specified for your system. |
| 01:40.15 | whislock | apt install ./vim.deb tells apt to directly install the deb in the current working directory. |
| 01:40.44 | LaurentDumont | I was using dpkg before for single deb installs but switched to the apt method. No issues so far ;) |
| 01:41.18 | whislock | It all goes to dpkg in the end, but apt resolves dependencies for you. |
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| 01:41.26 | whislock | LaurentDumont: So yeah, you're going the easy way. :) |
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| 01:41.52 | LaurentDumont | Heh - I mean, it's there for a reason. D: |
| 01:41.53 | WhispersInAkarra | Ah that makes sense whislock, thanks |
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| 01:47.10 | WoC | Miles8of9: in case you have any issues installing, feel free to pm me any time |
| 01:48.10 | Miles8of9 | i won't try to install on the G5... gui is too much important for me :| |
| 01:49.00 | Miles8of9 | it's really a pity to let a good machine go waste... but i don't see other ways |
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| 01:51.35 | WhispersInAkarra | Anybody here is Uquibiti Unifi for their home network? |
| 01:52.52 | nyov | english? |
| 01:52.58 | nyov | I am Master of Desaster for my home network - does that count? |
| 01:53.07 | nvz | its a mesh networking device |
| 01:53.11 | nvz | !poll |
| 01:53.11 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 01:53.26 | nvz | beware of militant badgers! |
| 01:53.43 | irked | hey lovely people |
| 01:53.58 | nvz | what about me? :P |
| 01:54.02 | irked | hehehe |
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| 01:54.30 | irked | nvz your poll reminds me of the non completeness theorem |
| 01:55.33 | nvz | !factinfo poll |
| 01:55.33 | dpkg | poll -- last modified at Sat May 15 07:58:49 2004 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 401 times, last by nvz, 2m 22s ago; it has been locked by . |
| 01:56.23 | nvz | hmm.. that one is so old its unclear who created it.. but Don last modified it.. |
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| 01:56.35 | rander2 | hello all |
| 01:56.42 | irked | its pretty vague i wouldnt know what to vote |
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| 01:57.05 | rander2 | another problem with my netbook buster |
| 01:57.13 | nvz | doesn't matter, win or lose Trump wins :P |
| 01:57.19 | irked | haha nvz true |
| 01:57.25 | irked | and then there will be a twitter bash :/ |
| 01:57.33 | rander2 | It don't start up again, I'm in restore mode |
| 01:57.53 | rander2 | without X and with only one tty |
| 01:58.17 | nvz | rander2: so type systemctl default and see what happens :P |
| 01:58.24 | irked | render2 usually it helps to paste the specs into a code share thingy so someone who knows can tell u what to do, or your problems, then to paste the link here |
| 01:58.39 | nvz | not comming up to your graphical display manager login doesn't mean it doesnt start up |
| 01:58.46 | nvz | thats two totally different things |
| 01:58.47 | rander2 | I must go out |
| 01:58.52 | rander2 | I'm from irssi |
| 01:58.57 | irked | yeh you probably dont have gdm or whatnot set up properly |
| 01:59.08 | rander2 | have irssi a shell ? |
| 01:59.22 | irked | did you install your x stuff post-install? |
| 01:59.23 | nvz | uses irssi in screen via mosh |
| 01:59.29 | nyov | ctrl+z ;) |
| 02:00.35 | irked | which reminds me, i need to brush up on my openstack knowledge |
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| 02:01.14 | nyov | you could ask #debian to quiz you |
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| 02:01.42 | irked | i need to find a book, i've got some servers here |
| 02:01.55 | irked | im thinking i'll look for some video lectures on udemy or something |
| 02:02.02 | rkeene | irked, Why OpenStack ? |
| 02:02.09 | irked | the last time i got it running was about three-four years ago |
| 02:02.25 | rkeene | When I was developing a cloud solution, I looked into it but it was not great, I went with something else |
| 02:02.27 | irked | things change. |
| 02:02.46 | irked | rkeene i like to know about things |
| 02:03.21 | rkeene | So why OpenStack instead of one of the many other options ? |
| 02:03.41 | irked | please tell me what the other options are, you see my knowledge of this is useless |
| 02:03.58 | rkeene | I went with OpenNebula |
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| 02:05.13 | irked | i can see why. |
| 02:05.23 | irked | ty very much |
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| 02:06.39 | rander2 | I start up in restore mode, after log in as root I ran systemctl default and started X |
| 02:07.02 | rander2 | but I did't understand nothing |
| 02:07.12 | nvz | systemctl default just boots the system normally |
| 02:07.35 | nvz | its like doing init 2 or init 5 in the old days on most systems |
| 02:08.04 | irked | rander2, again, did u install x post-install? or during install? |
| 02:08.36 | rander2 | post-install |
| 02:08.42 | irked | aaaaaah |
| 02:08.49 | irked | i also experience this problem when i do it post-install |
| 02:09.05 | irked | what happens when you type xddm in the terminal? |
| 02:09.13 | rander2 | I install buster from minimal .iso |
| 02:09.19 | nvz | you kind of assume they even have/user xddm |
| 02:09.26 | nvz | ,i xddm |
| 02:09.27 | judd | No package named 'xddm' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 02:09.30 | irked | nvz im hoping for the best |
| 02:09.32 | rander2 | I have gdm |
| 02:09.38 | irked | oh sorry i meant gdm |
| 02:09.42 | irked | my apologies |
| 02:09.57 | irked | ok so you've got gnome installed but the system boots to terminal instead of gdm? |
| 02:09.57 | nvz | doesn't have gdm either uses lightdm |
| 02:10.24 | LaurentDumont | There is nothing wrong with Openstack itself. It's just a massive beast that is a bit too big for most use-cases. |
| 02:10.28 | nvz | and you'd do systemctl start gdm |
| 02:10.35 | LaurentDumont | And it requires a lot of planning/admin stuff after. |
| 02:10.40 | nvz | but you can't do that from single user |
| 02:10.46 | LaurentDumont | Coupled with a user-experience that is subpar at best. |
| 02:10.49 | nvz | hence why I said systemctl default :P |
| 02:11.12 | irked | LaurentDumont, yeh the ubuntu guys over the phone told me that; they said i need about 8 servers etc. and i realised back then years ago i might in fact need to do some courses first. |
| 02:11.39 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1120020/ |
| 02:11.46 | irked | *clix* |
| 02:12.07 | rander2 | irked, from terminal after installation |
| 02:12.09 | irked | oh you've got xfce installed |
| 02:12.27 | irked | and its running? |
| 02:12.36 | irked | that's weird |
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| 02:12.38 | rander2 | sure, xfce is light, I'm from xfce now |
| 02:12.40 | irked | lol beats meeeeeee |
| 02:12.48 | rander2 | using xchat |
| 02:12.53 | irked | oh so its working |
| 02:12.53 | rander2 | hexchat |
| 02:13.38 | irked | LaurentDumont, my biggest interest is in not taking the easy way out |
| 02:13.49 | irked | but it often bite's me on my shoes |
| 02:14.12 | nvz | good thing you're wearing shoes :P |
| 02:14.31 | LaurentDumont | Well, it depends on your needs/budget. Openstack can fit a niche. |
| 02:14.41 | LaurentDumont | But so can Proxmox, ESXI and others. |
| 02:18.35 | irked | i normally use proxmox or esxi |
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| 02:23.36 | irked | jeez the proxmox torrent is fast |
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| 02:29.38 | rander2 | start up restore mode as root, systemctl default and start X |
| 02:31.01 | nyov | ,versions netsurf |
| 02:31.02 | judd | Package: netsurf on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2+dfsg-2; stretch: 3.6-3.1; sid: 3.6-3.2 |
| 02:31.24 | rander2 | netsurf is slow, have a bad page rendering |
| 02:31.32 | nyov | have i already ranted today about the amazing lack of a usable browser in this day and age? |
| 02:31.44 | gry | there is one,it is called weboob |
| 02:31.57 | gry | web outside of web browser |
| 02:31.58 | nyov | weboob api *brrr* |
| 02:31.58 | rander2 | it's epiphany |
| 02:32.03 | gry | yes api |
| 02:32.16 | nyov | it could be better :) |
| 02:32.32 | nvz | whats better than boobs? :P |
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| 02:32.55 | nyov | thumbs up for the mention though |
| 02:33.48 | nvz | I'd installed it awhile back cause I'm interested in moving away from the web.. but most the stuff was unusable |
| 02:34.27 | nyov | I don't understand why it's so hard. What would it take to build a nice and modular browser!? |
| 02:35.05 | nyov | netsurf at least comes in nice libs. libdom, libcss, libsvg, ... that looks reasonable. :) |
| 02:35.40 | nyov | nvz: i second that. weboob is rotting somewhere on my disc |
| 02:35.42 | nvz | yeah well, now all you gotta do is sacrifice a virgin goat, on the eve of .... |
| 02:35.43 | annadane | "use brave browser" |
| 02:36.21 | rander2 | what enable systemctl default ? |
| 02:37.58 | nvz | rander2: are you a native spanish speaker? |
| 02:38.08 | rander2 | no italian |
| 02:38.33 | nvz | ah.. well you're speaking in incomplete incomprehensible sentences in english |
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| 02:40.42 | nvz | rander2: if you don't see whats wrong with that question you asked, then ask in italian this one time :P |
| 02:41.15 | nvz | italian wasnt offered at my school but I got a better chance understanding good italian than bad english :D |
| 02:42.05 | rander2 | what is the purpose of "systemctl default", to restore the runlevel? |
| 02:42.24 | nvz | as I said earlier that command just causes the system to boot normally |
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| 02:43.05 | whislock | rander2: There are no runlevels under systemd. |
| 02:43.08 | rander2 | it would be better if I set it in text mode so as to have 6 tty |
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| 02:43.32 | nvz | rander2: if that command got your system working, then it should boot normally |
| 02:44.14 | nvz | whislock: they came in saying their system wasnt booting and they were on irssi from rescue console.. I said do systemctl default and see what happens, they said it cause the machine to boot to their desktop |
| 02:44.27 | whislock | nvz: Okay. |
| 02:44.36 | rander2 | nvz, no, my system boot normaly only in restore mode |
| 02:44.51 | nvz | so it was likely just a quirk that it didnt boot. there is no reason the system shouldnt boot normally if it works doing systemctl default from recovery mode |
| 02:45.20 | nvz | rander2: have you tried booting since the last time it didnt work? |
| 02:46.11 | nvz | rander2: and did the systemctl default cause your machine to go to the gdm login or did you have to do something else after that? |
| 02:46.22 | rander2 | it's the same, I boot in restore mode as root, after systemctl restore, and start X . Before I was from tty1 with irssi |
| 02:46.26 | somiaj | So I'm running a server on a vm (hidden from the outside world) with an ngnix passthrough, for the most part this works, but the server needs to be able to talk to itself, is there a way I can forward 433 to 80 for traffic comming from the server? |
| 02:46.31 | nvz | for all I know you have the gdm service disabled or broken |
| 02:47.03 | nvz | rander2: you mean you're typing the command startx ? |
| 02:47.17 | nvz | rander2: or that X is starting when you type systemctl default? |
| 02:47.26 | irked | somiaj, probably using iptables |
| 02:47.28 | rander2 | but if I boot normally , the screen is black and the virtual consoles don't go, so the system is unusable |
| 02:47.58 | nvz | rander2: sounds like a graphics issue.. what graphics card? lspci -nn | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:47.59 | somiaj | irked: that is what I was thinking, but i know sometimes local trafic is dealt with differently. |
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| 02:48.32 | nvz | its odd that rescue mode would allow X to start if there is an issue.. sounds like nvidia |
| 02:48.34 | irked | somiaj, you're going to have to wait for someone to help you i'm just guessint |
| 02:48.38 | irked | guessing* |
| 02:48.53 | rander2 | no, systemctl default cause start up of X and login screen |
| 02:49.12 | nvz | cause one thing systemctl default doesnt do is reload the kernel |
| 02:49.17 | irked | what happens when you don't boot into rescue mode- in other words; normally @ rander2 |
| 02:49.22 | rander2 | nothing startx X , X start automatically |
| 02:49.28 | nvz | and the rescue mode probably disables some things in the kernel.. |
| 02:49.53 | nvz | rander2: type this command and give me the url it outputs |
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| 02:50.41 | rander2 | irked, the screen remain black, and ctrl+alt+Fx don't go, the system is unusable |
| 02:50.45 | nvz | rander2: (uname -r; cat /etc/debian_version; apt policy; lsmod; lspci -nn)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:51.13 | irked | does it have little - at the top right? hyphen? |
| 02:51.19 | irked | i mean top left |
| 02:51.34 | irked | sorry i'm a bit slow, its 4:51am here :-/ |
| 02:51.41 | annadane | you fool, that's the code to launch the missiles |
| 02:51.51 | irked | hahaha annadane |
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| 02:52.08 | rander2 | https://termbin.com/pwz4 |
| 02:52.48 | nvz | ah, intel graphics.. hmm.. |
| 02:53.18 | nvz | we delt with this machine recently.. forget what the issues were |
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| 02:53.45 | nvz | that answers part of my question |
| 02:55.55 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1120026/ # this is the complete paste |
| 02:55.59 | irked | horyshit that's a cool little laptop |
| 02:56.15 | irked | i set up debian on one of those small laptops before |
| 02:56.50 | rander2 | irked, yep, I bought it in 2014, it was branded "linux" but have a bad supported video card |
| 02:57.20 | nvz | idk, nothing is coming to mind why a machine that was working suddenly isnt booting normally yet will systemctl default and load normally from rescue mode |
| 02:57.23 | irked | rander2, as a matter of fact i got debian 6 to run on a very similar system back in those days |
| 02:57.44 | rander2 | asus did a pretty crap |
| 02:58.08 | nvz | if I werent preoccupied I'd compare the kernel commandline for recovery and normal boot |
| 02:58.22 | irked | this is out of character for me but i suggest you just re-install debian 10 and you choose the xfce package DURING install not POST-INSTALL |
| 02:58.30 | irked | and if that doesnt work, i dont know |
| 02:58.33 | irked | but that worked for me. |
| 02:58.58 | nvz | that should no more make a difference than booting normal or recovery and systemctl default |
| 02:59.14 | irked | strangely enough , it worked for me |
| 02:59.26 | irked | and that's why i agree and disagree with you nvz |
| 02:59.28 | nvz | either the kernel or systemd is messed up.. possibly due to modifying of the grub commandline |
| 02:59.45 | rander2 | irked, It had a pre-installed ubuntu 12.04 LTS 32bit with a strange fat32 partition, after I discover the fat32 had a bloob proprietary video driver |
| 02:59.52 | nvz | question is, what did you mess with and whats the difference between the two commandlines |
| 03:00.04 | irked | oh its an old ubuntu lts |
| 03:00.10 | irked | that explains it |
| 03:01.02 | irked | rander2 honestly i got debian 6 to work fine on that gen of computer, and type |
| 03:01.28 | rander2 | I have deb10 amd64 now, the video card is supported with another driver. This netbook have a integrated gma3600 gpu, but the driver is gma500. |
| 03:01.31 | irked | anyway i know the correct approach is to fix what's broken but i think its a new install nvz |
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| 03:02.08 | rander2 | how may I change runlevel to text mode ? |
| 03:02.11 | nvz | yeah well I'm checking out for awhile so.. w/e |
| 03:02.17 | whislock | The driver for gma3600 hasn't been included in the kernel since 4.15. |
| 03:02.20 | nvz | rander2: systemctl single |
| 03:02.30 | irked | booyahkasha whislock :-) |
| 03:02.46 | nvz | rander2: there are no runlevels anymore with systemd |
| 03:02.55 | rander2 | whislock, gma3600 have license problem, I wrote in netbook mailing list too |
| 03:03.20 | whislock | rander2: Not relevant. It's not included in the kernel anymore because it's old as hell. |
| 03:03.35 | irked | nvz im supposed to be programming stuff for a client right now but for some reason it aches just to look at the code today |
| 03:03.57 | irked | whislock rander2 nvz the guy needs to install a 32 bit debian 6 |
| 03:03.57 | rander2 | whislock, this is not true, gma500 is more old, and is included |
| 03:04.00 | irked | am i wrong? |
| 03:04.31 | rander2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.14 | irked | you're impossible rander2 but i like u |
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| 03:06.25 | nvz | you'd like anyone giving you an excuse to procrastinate |
| 03:06.25 | nyov | irked is irked |
| 03:06.44 | irked | tell me about it.. |
| 03:06.49 | rander2 | irked, gma500 was integrated in N450 , gma3600 and gma3650 are mode modern, they were integrated in N2600 and N2800 cpu |
| 03:06.51 | whislock | rander2: The only reason the gma500 module is there is because the standard open source intel drivers don't work for PowerVR SGX 535 stuff. |
| 03:06.59 | nvz | irked: so let me give you some wisdom of the contemporary philosopher Ellen DeGeneres... Procrastinate now, or you'll never get around to it |
| 03:07.13 | whislock | rander2: GMA3600 uses the intel drivers; GMA500 doesn't. |
| 03:07.17 | irked | :) |
| 03:07.21 | irked | i like this chatroom bigtime |
| 03:08.32 | irked | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:08.42 | irked | rule of thumb: year of the software must = year of the hardware |
| 03:08.47 | irked | this is across all spectrums |
| 03:09.36 | whislock | rander2: What xserver-xorg-video-* packages do you have installed? |
| 03:09.45 | rander2 | # the right command was ; systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 03:10.13 | irked | im going to bite my tongue off |
| 03:10.29 | nvz | dpkg, room? |
| 03:10.29 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:11.03 | rander2 | Xirg |
| 03:11.07 | rander2 | xorg |
| 03:11.50 | whislock | xirg rus |
| 03:11.51 | whislock | h |
| 03:11.59 | rander2 | http://paste.debian.net/1120029/ |
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| 03:15.07 | rander2 | however if this netbook had the right driver ( with graphic acceleration) , would be well usable |
| 03:15.24 | irked | i've ran into tragedies like that before |
| 03:15.46 | irked | but far less on linux than any other platform. |
| 03:16.23 | irked | just not back in the day day |
| 03:17.04 | irked | rander2 install debian 6 |
| 03:17.18 | irked | have a nice day everybody |
| 03:17.37 | irked | i'll bbl i've got some overload of code to write today. |
| 03:17.42 | rander2 | deb6 is outdated |
| 03:17.47 | whislock | Please don't install a long end-of-life distro that will never receive security updates. |
| 03:17.57 | rander2 | irked, you lose your mind, sorry |
| 03:18.15 | irked | rander2, its ok i'm just trying to help |
| 03:18.21 | irked | i think whislock will do the job |
| 03:18.34 | rander2 | irked, before I had deb9 here |
| 03:19.19 | rander2 | what help? installing an outdated distribution? |
| 03:19.33 | whislock | irked: That's not helping. That's the opposite of helping. |
| 03:19.38 | irked | im sorry |
| 03:20.10 | irked | well the idea is to see whether the driver is in that one etc. |
| 03:20.14 | irked | anyways im outta here |
| 03:20.42 | rander2 | he quit |
| 03:23.20 | rander2 | if I change desktop manager ? |
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| 03:26.33 | annadane | well. my week is made. "install debian 6" |
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| 03:27.34 | rander2 | irked was from new zeland ? |
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| 03:31.13 | nyov | haha. Lenny. worth every penny. |
| 03:31.32 | nyov | oh wait, deb 6 was squeeze. Squeeze it some more |
| 03:38.12 | nvz | nyov: do you believe the hand is quicker than the eye? |
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| 03:39.10 | nyov | I believe there is no hand. there is only zuul |
| 03:39.30 | nyov | that was bad |
| 03:40.02 | nvz | not as bad as what I was gonna say |
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| 03:57.24 | OS-40455 | msg/ NickServ IDENTIFY |
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| 03:58.05 | nyov | you forgot the password |
| 03:58.11 | nyov | D: |
| 03:58.17 | nvz | no, they are just a special kind of stupid |
| 03:58.23 | nvz | those are offsec people |
| 03:58.25 | nyov | psst |
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| 03:58.48 | nvz | they are failing to copy VERBATIM commands from the website |
| 03:59.05 | nvz | when they're not meant to be copied, they're meant to be interpreted |
| 03:59.43 | nvz | they wind up here cause they're using kali linux and a chat client the other special kind of idiots who make kali, are too dumb to modify our packages |
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| 04:00.46 | nvz | these are the kinds of people who pay ridiculous amounts of money to try be "hackers" |
| 04:01.00 | nvz | and can't even figure out how to use irc with a guide |
| 04:02.46 | nvz | they could just pay me, and I'll slap some sense into em |
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| 04:08.30 | nyov | Sign me up for some slaps. I could use more sense. D: |
| 04:08.37 | nyov | ,versions postfix-policyd-spf-python |
| 04:08.39 | judd | Package: postfix-policyd-spf-python on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.1-1; stretch: 2.0.1-1; buster: 2.9.1-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 2.9.2-1; sid: 2.9.2-1 |
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| 04:11.56 | nyov | policyd-spf[20780]: 550 5.7.24 Message rejected due to: SPF Permanent Error: Unknown mechanism found: 2a01:4f3:20a:2edc::/64. |
| 04:12.12 | nyov | that doesn't look legit, right? I mean aside from the anonymized ip |
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| 04:14.27 | whislock | Not sure why you'd anonymize an IP of a mail server. It's all over the internet already. |
| 04:15.02 | nyov | protecting the not so innocent luser |
| 04:15.16 | whislock | It's all over the internet. It's a mail server. They're unprotected already. |
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| 04:17.39 | nyov | whislock: why so grumpy. did you per chance try to look up the source ip? |
| 04:17.52 | whislock | No. |
| 04:17.57 | whislock | It's just silly to anonymize that stuff. |
| 04:18.04 | nyov | anyway, why do those bugs always crawl out of the woodworks with the worst timing? |
| 04:19.44 | nyov | now putting the buster in the stretch, yay another frankendebian spawned |
| 04:20.16 | whislock | The power of Christ compels you, the power of Christ compels you... |
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| 04:30.18 | wikan | hi. I am here because https://wiki.debian.org/LXC is problematic |
| 04:31.01 | wikan | i think it should be reedited - i dunno, probably remove unprivileged containers details, because it doesn't work at all :| |
| 04:31.18 | ksk | it does wikan. |
| 04:31.22 | wikan | i am trying to get it to work for a month |
| 04:31.22 | ksk | what problems are you facing? |
| 04:31.29 | ksk | but yes, it could need some editing.. |
| 04:32.19 | wikan | well today I strased lxc-start and I get know that at some moment of running unprivileged container... "command" file (unix socket in a container directory) should be created |
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| 04:32.33 | wikan | but it doesn't - so there is probably something about privileges |
| 04:32.49 | ksk | I cannot follow. |
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| 04:33.11 | ksk | which steps did you perform, and what errors do you get? |
| 04:33.18 | wikan | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path=@"/home/wikan/.local/share/lxc/ff/command"}, 44) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
| 04:33.43 | ksk | !problem |
| 04:33.43 | dpkg | somebody said problem was something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem. |
| 04:33.51 | wikan | lxc-start and I get standard waiting for demonize error and after I strace it then I can see error below |
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| 04:34.18 | wikan | i can upload logs to pastebin |
| 04:34.50 | wikan | and i am almost sure it is about cgroups :| |
| 04:35.34 | ksk | you dont have to mangle with cgroups on buster to get lxc working.. |
| 04:36.03 | ksk | did you use lxc-start "--logpriority" (with --logfile) yet? |
| 04:36.46 | ksk | also, I dont really get your strace - what is that "/home/wikan/.local/share/lxc/ff/command" supposed to be in the first place? |
| 04:37.22 | wikan | /home/wikan/.local/share/lxc/ff/command it seems to be a unix socket to communicate with a container |
| 04:37.32 | ksk | cuz, for me (like the default) you place containers at "~/.local/share/lxc/$CONTAINER/" - and this path normally has things like "config" or a folder "rootfs" |
| 04:37.36 | wikan | uploading logs... |
| 04:37.52 | wikan | ksk exactly |
| 04:38.19 | wikan | and "partials" and "userfs" or something like it |
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| 04:39.18 | ritalinona | I'm on debian 10 (host), and I have a debian 10 vm that I've been trying to use a vpn on. I can connect successfully on the vpn (btw I'm doing this via the terminal) but after connecting to the vpn I can no longer resolve domains, but I can still resolve ips. I made sure to install resolvconf, and I added my main ethernet connection to /etc/network/interfaces, but thats the extent of my networking troubleshooting and I don't know what else |
| 04:39.19 | ritalinona | to do from here |
| 04:39.28 | ksk | okay, straced a successfull attach command, it does indeed connect to that "command" file |
| 04:39.33 | wikan | strace ending: https://pastebin.com/VQpQHKRJ |
| 04:40.06 | wikan | now making logs |
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| 04:40.24 | ksk | wikan: I can then only encourage you to maybe start fresh, and then post all relevant files. /etc/lxc/* ~/.local/share/lxc/foo/config, /etc/subuid and subgid |
| 04:40.31 | whislock | ritalinona: When you're not connected to the VPN, what nameserver is the system using? |
| 04:41.15 | wikan | ksk - working on it |
| 04:42.30 | ritalinona | whislock: the ip of my router |
| 04:42.45 | whislock | ritalinona: And that is? |
| 04:42.58 | ritalinona | 192.168.4.2 |
| 04:43.07 | whislock | And what IP space is the VPN using inside? |
| 04:43.29 | ksk | wikan: anything in dmesg by chance (looking at you, apparmor!) |
| 04:44.10 | ritalinona | 10.66.61.24/24 |
| 04:44.37 | whislock | Alright, and what routes are being pushed by the VPN? Does it also push a nameserver? |
| 04:45.05 | wikan | ksk, logs: https://pastebin.com/MLc0VgjG |
| 04:45.19 | ksk | ps: everybody hates pastebin.com |
| 04:45.31 | nyov | acked |
| 04:45.32 | ritalinona | it doesn't puts a nameserver (at least while looking at /etc/resolv.conf) and idk about the first question |
| 04:45.38 | ritalinona | oh wait sec |
| 04:45.58 | wikan | ksk, why pastebin.com is hated? |
| 04:46.09 | nvz | dpkg, pastebin.com? |
| 04:46.09 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo) |
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| 04:46.30 | whislock | It's also been found to deliver malware via ads. |
| 04:46.31 | ritalinona | mi1ir-ZpnJD-9iMvV-VLXhA |
| 04:47.03 | wikan | ohhh, i see |
| 04:47.12 | nvz | there is almost no chance of me accessing a pastebin.com url |
| 04:47.28 | ksk | wikan: mhhm, you kind of provided nothing I asked for |
| 04:47.31 | nvz | apparently they do have raw urls but you can't figure out what that url is from the normal url |
| 04:47.38 | whislock | ritalinona: ? |
| 04:47.44 | wikan | i am working on it :) |
| 04:47.56 | themill | the raw URLs can still require you to answer a captcha sometimes |
| 04:47.57 | nyov | ritalinona: what whislock is saying is, once the VPN is up, your /etc/resolv.conf needs to have a nameserver entry in the VPN address space, that it can connect to |
| 04:48.09 | nvz | themill: ew |
| 04:48.15 | wikan | ksk, now you need dmesg, and config files - right? |
| 04:48.23 | whislock | nyov: Not necessarily. |
| 04:48.32 | whislock | It depends on the routes that are being pushed. |
| 04:48.38 | ksk | wikan: thats what I could think of at the late hour, yes. |
| 04:48.42 | nyov | whislock: ok |
| 04:49.08 | ritalinona | I'm having a hard time determining what routes are being added by the vpn |
| 04:49.33 | nyov | 'ip route' |
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| 04:50.42 | ritalinona | ok |
| 04:50.47 | ritalinona | 3 routes are added |
| 04:50.53 | wikan | ksk, i am sorry for stupid question but where can I find dmesg logs? |
| 04:51.06 | ritalinona | 1 is from 0.0.0.0 to the 10.66 |
| 04:51.08 | wikan | ksk, it is messages, syslog? |
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| 04:52.05 | ritalinona | 2 is from 10.66 to 10.66 (a diff 10.66.x.x) |
| 04:52.27 | ritalinona | and 3 is from localhost to 10.66 |
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| 04:54.43 | wikan | ksk, no apparmor/cgroups logs - ipv6, realtime policy, networking and thumbnails |
| 04:54.48 | ksk | wikan: you can type "dmesg" as root, for example. I suppose nowadays it would also be in systemd it journal |
| 04:55.01 | wikan | ohhh |
| 04:55.07 | ksk | *its journal |
| 04:56.15 | nvz | journalctl -k |
| 04:57.47 | wikan | dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/012457a2/ |
| 04:58.04 | wikan | everything else is not related |
| 04:58.19 | ksk | kk, thats not too related either Id say :) |
| 04:58.59 | wikan | well, apparmor - trash but exists ;) |
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| 04:59.16 | wikan | ok, now config... |
| 04:59.27 | ksk | ..you would not be able to use lxc safely without that trash :P |
| 04:59.47 | wikan | without totem i would ;) |
| 04:59.57 | nvz | @.@ |
| 04:59.58 | wikan | i even don't have totem installed :) |
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| 05:02.34 | wikan | i think i found something - let me check this first |
| 05:02.46 | wikan | i have allow_nesting but nesting config not included |
| 05:02.56 | wikan | step one - try without nesting |
| 05:02.58 | ksk | wikan: do so :) In general, I am really trying to help you solve your problem, instead of me finding the error ;) |
| 05:03.18 | wikan | step two - with nesting +config |
| 05:03.22 | wikan | :) |
| 05:05.12 | wikan | config http://paste.debian.net/hidden/06a9496a/ |
| 05:05.48 | wikan | i think thats all |
| 05:05.52 | wikan | what I have |
| 05:06.16 | wikan | i have even tried to add my local directory to the apparmor list |
| 05:06.50 | wikan | btw: with nesting, and without nesting it doesnt work |
| 05:06.55 | wikan | the same error |
| 05:07.24 | ksk | is there a reason you have three entries for "lxc.mount.auto"? |
| 05:07.46 | ksk | apart from "are your id mappings correct?" I think thats the only difference to my config |
| 05:08.52 | wikan | lxc.mout.auto - I copied it because i have tried everything (simple idea - if it will work I will try to figure out what this line means) |
| 05:09.16 | wikan | id mappings is correct but i check it again - why not :) |
| 05:10.18 | wikan | the same |
| 05:10.29 | ritalinona | whislock, I tried added several ips different ips from the routes the were added when the vpn is started to /etc/resolv.conf but still nothing has changed. also those ips keep changing |
| 05:10.47 | wikan | i count digits to be sure it is 100000 for sure |
| 05:11.25 | wikan | ksk, maybe i should delete global config file? |
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| 05:12.09 | wikan | ksk, but as I read global file is used only once after container being downloaded |
| 05:13.13 | wikan | ksk, the second difference between your and mine config may be machine architecture |
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| 05:14.22 | wikan | btw - privileged containers works when ran from root |
| 05:14.52 | wikan | i am very close to give up |
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| 05:15.37 | wikan | dpkg, kiss me :) |
| 05:15.37 | dpkg | smooches me :) on the lips |
| 05:15.54 | wikan | damn it is good :D |
| 05:15.57 | SE7EN` | lmao |
| 05:16.16 | SE7EN` | dpkg -i a_better_life.deb |
| 05:16.16 | dpkg | installs a_better_life.deb into se7en`'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 05:16.40 | SE7EN` | I am healed. |
| 05:16.54 | nvz | !yinzersmite wikan and SE7EN` |
| 05:16.54 | dpkg | runsover wikan and SE7EN`, wit an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanahr dahn da bulvard. |
| 05:17.11 | SE7EN` | whoa wtf just hapen lmao |
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| 05:21.17 | wikan | lxc developer said "i know that configuring lcx is a nightmare" - i agree :D |
| 05:23.05 | wikan | i think... my case is the case he mentioned by words "you cant just run unprivileged container as a unprivileged user because first you have to prepare your environment as a root" |
| 05:23.20 | wikan | but I don't know how to prepare my environment :| |
| 05:25.05 | wikan | so i am very close to offer d*k sucking for any help :DD |
| 05:25.59 | wikan | dpkg, please fix my lxc |
| 05:25.59 | dpkg | wikan: i haven't a clue |
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| 05:26.10 | wikan | me too :| |
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| 05:34.14 | nyov | ritalinona: is your tunnel endpoint a private/company server, or a vpn provider? and is it an ipsec or openvpn tunnel? |
| 05:34.46 | ritalinona | its a vpn provider and it's openvpn |
| 05:36.05 | nyov | ritalinona: then your provider should have given you a config? check that /etc/openvpn/client..something (forgot the path) has a 'client' directive - essentially it *should* pull and update your local nameserver |
| 05:36.44 | ritalinona | client is there |
| 05:37.07 | nyov | perhaps you need to install 'resolvconf' to have the /etc/resolv.conf updated automatically (it's been a while) |
| 05:37.34 | ritalinona | I have it installed |
| 05:39.24 | nyov | ritalinona: well that sucks. I guess easy is out :( does your vpn provider have a tailored openvpn config file you can use? |
| 05:40.39 | ritalinona | no, idk but I had this same kind of problem with my host (which is debian 10) |
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| 05:40.48 | ritalinona | could it be a debian 10 issue? |
| 05:41.09 | ritalinona | the host I wasn't able to resolve domains without a vpn |
| 05:41.20 | wikan | ok, any way, thanks for trying to help ;) |
| 05:41.54 | wikan | it is time to logout, bye |
| 05:42.01 | nyov | ritalinona: one second |
| 05:44.11 | nyov | ritalinona: can you add these lines to your client config file:? https://paste.debian.net/1120042/ |
| 05:45.06 | ritalinona | holly shit, duh |
| 05:45.38 | nyov | ritalinona: assuming you have a file /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf, I believe this is the glue that should make resolvconf update the dns |
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| 05:46.36 | ritalinona | it worked :D |
| 05:46.42 | nyov | nice |
| 05:46.51 | ritalinona | god I'm actually retarded |
| 05:47.03 | ritalinona | thanks nyov |
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| 05:47.56 | nyov | you're welcome, np |
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| 05:50.52 | nvz | np? they're actually retarded! |
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| 06:05.09 | nyov | Well, as a proud retard myself, I can commiserate. so no problem, retard to retard. |
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| 06:51.58 | Paddy^ | virtualization for home users was virtualbox for me so far. but the debian way strongly suggests the use of kvm via qemu, is that correct so far? |
| 06:54.02 | diogenes_ | Paddy^, libvirt. |
| 06:54.21 | Paddy^ | and for that to work i would need to turn my host operating system into a router because the guests only work via nat? |
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| 07:02.47 | SerajewelKS | Paddy^: user networking requires no changes |
| 07:03.16 | karlpinc | Paddy^: The host does have to route, as far as I know, because the only network path is through the host. I wouldn't think the host has to nat. You could assign a subnet to all the hosts's VMs and route the subnet. |
| 07:03.28 | nyov | Paddy^: nothing wrong with using virtualbox on debian - unless you want to run KVM in parallel, that won't work |
| 07:04.21 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: user mode and bridging IIRC don't require ip_forward but others do |
| 07:04.57 | Paddy^ | i tried a few things with bridged networking until i saw mentions that there are unfixed problems in buster |
| 07:05.27 | Paddy^ | i wanted to avoid nat because it could influence my "networking tests" in a negative way |
| 07:05.29 | SerajewelKS | Paddy^: what problems are those? i bridge KVM and VPN tap interfaces to physical interfaces on buster without problems. |
| 07:06.06 | Paddy^ | pity. i re-installed the host in the meantime without keeping the logs |
| 07:07.07 | Paddy^ | but the advice is kvm and qemu |
| 07:07.23 | SerajewelKS | i've had to work around some specific ethernet driver issues that bridging exposed, but the problem was in the driver and unrelated to bridging |
| 07:07.45 | SerajewelKS | bridging just created outbound packets that caused the issue to present |
| 07:07.59 | SerajewelKS | Paddy^: virt-manager is probably where you want to start if you want a nice GUI |
| 07:08.05 | annadane | ,v virtualbox |
| 07:08.06 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.14-dfsg-4 |
| 07:08.08 | SerajewelKS | note that buster doesn't even package virtualbox |
| 07:08.12 | annadane | yeah not in buster |
| 07:08.32 | Paddy^ | yes, the wiki said "there is no virtualbox support and there wont be any" |
| 07:08.32 | annadane | virt-manager is fine i just wish they wouldn't insist on putting in the name of the OS |
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| 07:08.53 | SerajewelKS | annadane: what do you mean? |
| 07:09.08 | annadane | you have to put what the OS is, or 'generic default' |
| 07:09.15 | annadane | it doesn't let you continue with vm creation otherwise |
| 07:09.26 | SerajewelKS | vbox does the same, i think it's to set some sensible defaults |
| 07:09.45 | SerajewelKS | "generic default" means "i don't want any sensible defaults" |
| 07:10.10 | annadane | fair i guess but it's a bit weird in debian stable to like, say you're installing openbsd 6.6, the newest available is openbsd 6.3 |
| 07:10.13 | annadane | or whatever it is |
| 07:10.41 | SerajewelKS | i mean unless the hardware profile changed that much between 6.3 and 6.6 then i'd think choosing 6.3 would be fine |
| 07:11.44 | SerajewelKS | an example of how it changed on vbox: if you chose debian linux you'd get virtio network hardware, but if you chose windows you'd get e1000-compatible virtualized hardware instead. |
| 07:11.59 | annadane | okay, fair, i guess i'm just a pigheaded moron |
| 07:12.11 | epony | It's NEVER fine, old software = failure in the single most useful goal of having an updated software and relative confidence in software correctness (up to the moment of the latest release) |
| 07:12.24 | SerajewelKS | that might be going a bit too far... more likely they should explain what the option is for :) |
| 07:12.33 | epony | With OpenBSD you MUST use latest release. Installing and outdated release is BAD advice. |
| 07:13.09 | SerajewelKS | rolls his eyes |
| 07:13.11 | whislock | epony: The advice wasn't to install an old release. It was to select the closest VBox profile to the version you're installing. |
| 07:13.47 | SerajewelKS | in this case virt-manager not vbox, but yeah |
| 07:13.59 | whislock | Or that, yeah. |
| 07:14.09 | epony | virt-manager (for libvirt) is a much better alternative than VBox |
| 07:14.23 | whislock | epony: According to your opinion. |
| 07:14.29 | whislock | epony: Read before reacting. |
| 07:14.34 | epony | did not realise you were speaking about VM software profiles, they all suck |
| 07:14.53 | epony | whislock, according to many other opinions, vbox is sucky |
| 07:15.00 | whislock | epony: The plural of anecdote is not data. |
| 07:15.19 | epony | whislock, I've heard this line from you another time, and it was not correctly applied then too. |
| 07:15.34 | whislock | epony: You'll hear it from me many more times if you keep it up. :) |
| 07:15.59 | epony | whislock, I'll not hear from you again, because I don't read your lines. |
| 07:16.00 | whislock | epony: anecdote, n., an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay. |
| 07:16.10 | epony | whislock, buz off |
| 07:16.19 | whislock | epony: You relaying "many opinions" is the definition of hearsay. |
| 07:16.57 | epony | no, and don't care about your objection |
| 07:17.23 | whislock | Take it up with the dictionary, let me know how that goes. |
| 07:17.47 | epony | you take it up to vbox people and tell them their software is not very useful |
| 07:17.59 | whislock | epony: Another opinion. |
| 07:18.09 | epony | whislock, and a dicktionary to go with it |
| 07:22.37 | whislock | epony: Hey, if it helps you with basic communications skills, then at least your presence in this channel won't be ENTIRELY pointless. |
| 07:23.48 | pie3 | anyone familiary with python? |
| 07:23.55 | whislock | pie3: Quite a bit. |
| 07:24.59 | epony | whislock, neither is your in #freebsd (mr-knows-fallacies-and-all) |
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| 07:27.06 | SerajewelKS | ffs just ignore each other or stop denying the sexual tension and kiss already |
| 07:27.27 | SerajewelKS | i don't care which |
| 07:27.36 | annadane | pie3, yeah ask here or #python |
| 07:27.46 | whislock | SerajewelKS: Already done. |
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| 07:31.52 | epony | kids.. always trying to iceskate up the hill with faulty vm setups |
| 07:33.12 | pie3 | i am sure anyone would really stuck at this point |
| 07:33.13 | pie3 | https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | # Strategy: Iterate over a copy |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | for user, status in users.copy().items(): |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | # Strategy: Create a new collection |
| 07:33.20 | pie3 | active_users = {} |
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| 07:33.35 | whislock | Oops. |
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| 07:33.44 | SerajewelKS | !pastebin |
| 07:33.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:33.46 | SerajewelKS | pie3: ^ |
| 07:33.59 | pie3 | can you explain me that?, i am sure some content is not previously introduced |
| 07:34.11 | pie3 | Whiskey |
| 07:34.34 | pie3 | SerajewelKS: |
| 07:34.46 | SerajewelKS | pie3: yes? |
| 07:34.55 | pie3 | paragraph starting from:# Strategy: Iterate over a copy |
| 07:35.02 | SerajewelKS | pie3: read what dpkg said |
| 07:35.13 | SerajewelKS | you were kicked from the channel for flooding, we did not see the whole paste |
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| 07:41.37 | Katana_Steel | pie3, what's your issue with looping through a dictionary in python? |
| 07:42.07 | pie3 | i think dictionary is not introduced to me so far on that link. I am aware about string & list Katana_Steel |
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| 07:45.46 | Paddy^ | .... |
| 07:46.38 | Katana_Steel | pie3, It's more of an introduction to the for loop than the dict type, and as such just think of items() as a special function that returns a list of pairs |
| 07:47.06 | Katana_Steel | (If you just want to get through the example) |
| 07:47.59 | pie3 | "for user, status in users.copy().items():" |
| 07:48.04 | pie3 | what is meaning of this? |
| 07:48.17 | pie3 | normally syntax is like this , right? for X in Y: |
| 07:48.40 | pie3 | here is bit strange: for X,Y in X.Copy().items(): |
| 07:48.42 | pie3 | so confused |
| 07:48.47 | whislock | pie3: It's easier to think of lists and dicts are two kinds of a 'collection.' |
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| 07:49.02 | whislock | A list is a simple collection. |
| 07:49.13 | Katana_Steel | Imagine items() returns [[a,b],[c,d]] |
| 07:49.21 | pie3 | list is single column(normally), while collection as double column? |
| 07:49.23 | whislock | A dictionary is more complex. Instead of a collection of one item, its a collection of pairs. Each pair has a key, and a value. |
| 07:49.25 | pie3 | sorry dict |
| 07:49.49 | whislock | .items() returns each pair at a time. The key goes into the first variable, and the value goes in the second. |
| 07:50.08 | whislock | So 'for key, value in myDict.items():' is a good conceptual example. |
| 07:50.26 | Katana_Steel | And .copy() is like list[:] |
| 07:51.05 | pie3 | can you explain me thru the same example shown earlier:... words = ['cat', 'window', 'defenestrate'] |
| 07:51.19 | pie3 | >>> for w in words: |
| 07:51.26 | pie3 | i am still confused |
| 07:51.33 | Katana_Steel | I'm sure dict is explained later though |
| 07:51.37 | pie3 | yes |
| 07:51.57 | creepy | hi all |
| 07:53.26 | Katana_Steel | Book = {"author": "Terry Pratchett", "title": "discworld"} |
| 07:53.48 | pie3 | is it { or [ in dictionary? |
| 07:54.13 | creepy | I come back with same problem, some issues to install tor. this is error message: https://paste.debian.net/1120047/ , does anyone know how to fix it ? thanks |
| 07:54.21 | Katana_Steel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.33 | Katana_Steel | In dictionaries you can use strings as keys, so it needs to be in { } |
| 07:55.37 | pie3 | i am typing at REPL whatever you are |
| 07:55.40 | pie3 | to see the results |
| 07:56.14 | Katana_Steel | {Key: value, key, value, ...} |
| 07:56.18 | pie3 | ok |
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| 07:56.39 | creepy | any clue guys? |
| 07:57.00 | Kyros | creepy: is that buster |
| 07:57.58 | creepy | I think so |
| 07:58.24 | pie3 | attr=key? |
| 07:59.33 | Kyros | creepy: did you try this? https://wiki.debian.org/TorBrowser#Debian_10_.22Buster.22 |
| 07:59.56 | creepy | kyros: i tried to remove it (buster-backports.) but I think it doesn't work |
| 08:00.52 | diogenes_ | creepy, why installing? just download from official, extract and there you go. |
| 08:00.56 | Kyros | im not exactly sure what is going on but i suspect something is out of wack with your apt sources |
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| 08:02.52 | creepy | kyros: that's what I did, I followed all steps but...finally it doesn't work due to this problem. just reminder Iam using 8.11v(I guess jessie) |
| 08:03.08 | Kyros | ooh |
| 08:03.18 | Kyros | id try diogenes_'s advice and just download it directly |
| 08:03.45 | creepy | Idon' get you sorry |
| 08:04.22 | Kyros | go download it from here https://www.torproject.org/download/ |
| 08:04.59 | creepy | oops I missed comment of our friend diogenes_ |
| 08:05.11 | diogenes_ | creepy, https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/9.0.2/tor-browser-linux64-9.0.2_en-US.tar.xz |
| 08:05.59 | diogenes_ | download, extract, double click on tor. |
| 08:06.11 | diogenes_ | that's it. |
| 08:07.48 | creepy | diogenes_:could you remind me how to extract file.exe? doyou mean to install by gui way? |
| 08:08.27 | creepy | I mean gui methode |
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| 08:09.31 | diogenes_ | creepy, it's not exe, it's tar.xz, just right click and extract here. |
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| 08:10.07 | diogenes_ | or open with - archive manager. |
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| 08:10.44 | diogenes_ | it will create a folder with extracted files. |
| 08:14.05 | creepy | ok after that? |
| 08:15.13 | diogenes_ | go to the extracted folder and double click on tor icon. |
| 08:20.28 | creepy | unfortunetely it doesn't work due to 32bits v instead of 64. I forgot toprecise that point. any clue tofix that issue? |
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| 08:22.05 | creepy | diognese_any clue? |
| 08:22.21 | diogenes_ | oh right 32bit is almost a history already, not much to be done there. |
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| 08:26.27 | creepy | unfortunetely, no choice with this laptop |
| 08:29.31 | diogenes_ | creepy, https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/8.0.4/ |
| 08:30.02 | diogenes_ | get one linux32 from there. |
| 08:31.07 | diogenes_ | make sure it ends in .tar.xz |
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| 08:34.56 | creepy | i'd choose tar file right? |
| 08:34.58 | hussar | I can't find tilix |
| 08:35.46 | diogenes_ | creepy, what language you prefer? |
| 08:35.57 | creepy | sorry I missed your last message |
| 08:36.59 | diogenes_ | creepy, here is a direct link: https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/9.0.2/tor-browser-linux32-9.0.2_en-US.tar.xz |
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| 08:43.26 | creepy | diognese_: I'd prefer to a dd bridge but I wonder why it doesn't offer this option!? |
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| 08:44.37 | diogenes_ | creepy, that's a question for devs. |
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| 08:55.42 | creepy | diogenes_bad choice, I got one in arabic language however our friends didn't precise it! |
| 08:56.49 | creepy | (:, m gonna another one |
| 08:56.55 | creepy | try |
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| 08:57.15 | diogenes_ | creepy, did you get the one i gave you in my last link? |
| 08:57.37 | diogenes_ | it says tor-browser-linux32-9.0.2_en-US.tar.xz |
| 08:57.38 | creepy | sure |
| 08:58.39 | diogenes_ | ok here is the index: https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/9.0.2/ |
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| 09:00.49 | creepy | diogenes_I think this is not for 8.11v(jessie) don't you? |
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| 09:02.03 | creepy | the first one you gave me seems to be the right one but I can't see languages on it |
| 09:02.12 | diogenes_ | this is the version of the browser not the distro so i can run everywhere. |
| 09:02.34 | diogenes_ | the newest the better. |
| 09:03.15 | creepy | oops stupide I am, sorry I am confused |
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| 09:11.00 | k3rn3lroot | hi |
| 09:11.20 | k3rn3lroot | what is the name of program that controls and manages the logs in deb |
| 09:11.35 | k3rn3lroot | like archiving of them etc |
| 09:11.54 | k3rn3lroot | i did made changes back in days now i forgot the name i want to revert the changes |
| 09:12.05 | diogenes_ | isn't it logrotate? |
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| 09:19.15 | k3rn3lroot | diogenes_, yaaaa ... thanks mate |
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| 09:28.58 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 09:28.59 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1+b1; sid: 68.3.0esr-1 |
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| 09:47.25 | creepy | diogenes_: It doesn't work don't know why! |
| 09:47.31 | creepy | I give up |
| 09:49.12 | creepy | kyros, diogenes_: thank you. thanks all |
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| 09:53.13 | feia53 | Hello |
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| 10:17.57 | NetTerminalGene | still no firefox update |
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| 10:18.21 | dataCobra | Hello everyone, I've got a question. libvirt is starting the virbrigdes after my nftables.service so my service is stopping because he can't find my virbr0 interface that I setup in the nftables.conf. Is there a way to fix this issue? |
| 10:18.41 | dataCobra | *it can't infd |
| 10:18.46 | dataCobra | *it can't find... |
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| 10:27.21 | Lope | how can I check if someone is spoofing deauth frames? |
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| 10:29.14 | Lope | I've just booted live debian non-free and can't connect to any of my wireless networks, I just get deauthed. I've tried using the internal wireless adapter as well as a USB one. |
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| 10:30.54 | rany | How serious is https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2019/q4/122 ? |
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| 10:31.27 | rany | I still didn't read it .. |
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| 10:36.28 | soul-d | Lope, not sure if the names are still up todate since this was begining wifi but you need a sniffer on a wireless card in monitor mode air-snort aircrack airodump |
| 10:36.41 | soul-d | something along those lines |
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| 10:38.25 | soul-d | https://www.kismetwireless.net/ is also one |
| 10:38.50 | Lope | soul-d, ah, I figured out it wasn't hacking going on. |
| 10:39.16 | Lope | I booted a live ubuntu USB and connect to the same wireless network with the same device just fine. |
| 10:39.48 | Lope | So some wireless thing is broken in debian 10 buster / kde-plasma |
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| 10:54.55 | dataCobra | Hello, |
| 10:54.58 | dataCobra | I use nftables as my firewall and setup the nftables.conf today. My |
| 10:55.00 | dataCobra | firewall rules are based on whitelisting. Everything is dropped from |
| 10:55.02 | dataCobra | INPUT and FORWARD as long as there is no specific rule for it. For |
| 10:55.04 | dataCobra | my libvirt network interface virbr1 there are also some rules. I |
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| 10:55.34 | dataCobra | Sorry for the flood :/ |
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| 10:55.48 | dataCobra | I thought my multiline sending is enabled :/ |
| 10:57.02 | dataCobra | I've explained my problem in a text found here https://paste.debian.net/1120058/ |
| 10:57.57 | dataCobra | Here also as plaintext https://paste.debian.net/plain/1120058 |
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| 11:11.33 | ratrace | dataCobra: doesn't libvirt set up required packet filtering? or does it do only with iptables? |
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| 11:14.47 | dataCobra | ratrace: libvirt uses iptables |
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| 11:15.11 | FightingFalcon | So |
| 11:15.56 | dataCobra | ratrace: Wait I show you my current firewall rules in a pastebin |
| 11:17.15 | dataCobra | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1120062 that is the link to my firewall rules |
| 11:19.13 | abff | Can I please get some assistance with setting up my nvidia driver? I just finished installing Debian Buster, and I am getting errors when instructing apt to install the driver for my GPU. I tried to use aptitude to resolve the dependancies more forceuflly but those dependencies are listed as (UNAVAILABLE) |
| 11:21.03 | dataCobra | abff: can you paste the command that you execute with apt? |
| 11:21.10 | abff | yes |
| 11:22.09 | abff | sudo apt-get install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver; this is what I used initially, I tried adding -f after install as well as using aptitude instead |
| 11:22.49 | dataCobra | abff: did you install nvidia-detect and use it beforehand? |
| 11:22.58 | abff | If I browse throught aptitude and look at the packages the driver is dependent on they are listed unavailable |
| 11:23.08 | abff | yes, I did |
| 11:23.20 | ratrace | dataCobra: sorry I don't use nftables. |
| 11:24.01 | ratrace | dataCobra: perhaps consider not using nftables, and let libvirt deal with iptables itself. OR... configure nftables to start after virbr nics are set up. |
| 11:24.18 | dataCobra | ratrace: no problem. Nftables is not the problem. :) It's just I dont know how to make the service wait for libvirt to be started |
| 11:24.27 | ratrace | nftabels aren't the future btw, there's talk of going full ebpf for packet filtering, instead of nftables. I wouldn't bother with that. |
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| 11:25.02 | dataCobra | abff: and it told you to install nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver |
| 11:25.07 | abff | dataCobra: if you'd like I can get a paste of my sources list |
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| 11:25.17 | abff | yes it did |
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| 11:25.46 | ratrace | dataCobra: probably via After=your-virbr-device-name-here.device config for nftables service |
| 11:27.09 | dataCobra | abff: I assume you have main contrib non-free in your source.list? |
| 11:27.26 | ratrace | dataCobra: After=sys-devices-virtual-net-virbr0.device or whever exact virbrX it is . |
| 11:27.31 | abff | just main non-free |
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| 11:28.00 | abff | I'll add contrib and try again |
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| 11:28.55 | abff | okay! you were right they are part of the contrib tree |
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| 11:29.52 | dataCobra | abff: if you use non-free contrib should be there always |
| 11:30.12 | dataCobra | abff: if you use non-free, contrib should be there always |
| 11:30.12 | srged | I tested my ssd read speed in two different ways and got very different results, can anyone explain? https://paste.debian.net/1120064/ |
| 11:30.23 | dataCobra | ratrace: thank you. :) I will try that |
| 11:30.36 | abff | dataCobra: I have one last question but it's much further out of scope, it's trying to install all of the packages for amd64 and i386, do I need both versions? I don't want to install 55 packages if I can do 27 instead |
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| 11:31.14 | abff | regardless thank you for the help, I'll keep that in mind next time I install |
| 11:31.32 | dataCobra | abff: it depends on what exactly you want to do |
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| 11:32.15 | abff | I just want to be able to play a few games and run x11 |
| 11:32.41 | dataCobra | abff: so you want to use steam? |
| 11:32.47 | abff | and I don't want to bloat my system with redundant binaries |
| 11:32.51 | abff | I have steam installed yes |
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| 11:33.40 | dataCobra | abff: steam has some of the i386 packages as a dependencie |
| 11:34.02 | dataCobra | abff: maybe for this open up the debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 11:34.19 | abff | Thanks for the pointers |
| 11:34.23 | abff | dataCobra++ |
| 11:34.58 | dataCobra | abff: also for some information about prop. nvidia driver on debian https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 11:35.41 | abff | :) I already have this open |
| 11:36.06 | ratrace | dataCobra: btw, just a bit of warning, if you reschedule nftables to run later, you'll have that period in which your NICs are not packet-filtered, and it's also possible nftables won't start at all, if the virbr device never appears... |
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| 11:37.22 | dataCobra | ratrace: yeah that is something I was also worried about. But it seems that is currently the only solution I can try. |
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| 11:38.16 | dataCobra | abff: I would consider also to install the drivers directly from nvidia, but this is a bit to much for a debian beginner. But keep this in mind if you discover some problems while playing. |
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| 11:39.57 | dataCobra | abff: I need to restart my pc now for a test. I will be back in about 2 minutes if you have some more questions |
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| 11:41.29 | jim | for evaluating a wireless, can you do iwlist scan? or is there a newer executable for that? |
| 11:41.51 | dataCobra | iw dev *INTERFACE* scan |
| 11:42.57 | dataCobra | ratrace: it was a try. But it isn't working :/ |
| 11:43.11 | ratrace | dataCobra: define "isn't working" |
| 11:43.37 | dataCobra | It errors out with "virbr1" interface couldn't be found |
| 11:43.57 | dataCobra | retrace: /etc/nftables.conf:11:15-20: Error: Interface does not exist |
| 11:44.09 | dataCobra | ratrace: iif virbr1 accept comment "accept virbr1" |
| 11:44.11 | jim | dataCobra, thanks |
| 11:44.18 | ratrace | dataCobra: did it start after the device appeared? |
| 11:44.19 | dataCobra | jim: no problem |
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| 11:45.29 | dataCobra | ratrace: no it did start on the same spot. Even with the after option in the service :/ |
| 11:45.59 | ratrace | dataCobra: ah, perhaps in conflict with that Before= you had in your paste |
| 11:46.40 | dataCobra | ratrace: I was thinking about fake a interface in my /e/n/i |
| 11:46.48 | dataCobra | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:47.02 | dataCobra | maybe this gets overwritten by libvirt?! |
| 11:47.05 | ratrace | dataCobra: one more thing, perhaps you also need BindsTo=sys-devices-virtual-net-virbr1.device as well, so it doesn't even attempt to schedule it before the device is available |
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| 11:47.25 | ratrace | dataCobra: can you add nftables rules programmatical like with iptables? |
| 11:47.31 | ratrace | programmatically* |
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| 11:47.50 | Lope2 | Debian's ability to connect to wireless networks seems to be broken. |
| 11:48.14 | ratrace | WorksForMe(tm) with explicit wpa_supplicant config, supplied via e/n/i |
| 11:48.15 | dataCobra | Lope2: what do you mean with this? |
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| 11:49.05 | Lope2 | With a debian 10 buster kde-plasma live non-free USB I can't connect to any WPA2 networks. I tried the internal wireless adapter and 3 USB adapters. |
| 11:49.16 | Lope2 | If I try a live Ubuntu USB, no problems. |
| 11:49.26 | Lope2 | On the same hardware and same networks |
| 11:49.31 | ratrace | Lope2: sounds like KDE issue, not Debian. I can use WPA2 just fine with wpa_supplicant |
| 11:50.10 | dataCobra | ratrace: Ubuntu is not Debian |
| 11:50.13 | NetTerminalGene | Lope2, official debian doesn't install non-free firmware by default |
| 11:50.17 | dataCobra | ratrace: sorry wrong link |
| 11:50.30 | NetTerminalGene | you may need to install non free firmware |
| 11:50.42 | Lope2 | NetTerminalGene, there are debian live USB's that are non-free (comes with firmware) |
| 11:50.47 | dataCobra | Lope2: Ubuntu is not Debian. Like NetTerminalGene says Debian is using only free firmware by default |
| 11:50.51 | Lope2 | I've definitely got all the non-free firmware installed. |
| 11:51.04 | Lope2 | I'm well aware that ubuntu is not debian, thanks :) |
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| 11:51.27 | ratrace | Lope2: can you try with wpa_supplicant directly? |
| 11:51.32 | jim | ratrace, but that copy of kde is likely maintained by debian, so in that sense, it -is- a debian issue |
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| 11:51.58 | ratrace | jim: Debian's "responsibility"? perhaps. But far from "Debian's ability to connecto wifi... broken". |
| 11:52.07 | ratrace | *connect to |
| 11:52.36 | jim | ok, then howbout evaluate the issue using command line only? |
| 11:52.56 | ratrace | that said, some wifi NICs are just too stubborn, even if you give it all the firmware it wants, sometimes the hardware and firmware is just buggy like that |
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| 11:53.23 | ratrace | jim: yeah, the "can you try with spa_wupplicant directly?" suggestion :) |
| 11:54.15 | Lope2 | ratrace, well I kind of eliminated the need to do that with a shortcut. |
| 11:54.39 | Lope2 | I just disabled all encryption on the network and then only the internal wireless adapter was able to connect, none of the USB adapters were. |
| 11:54.46 | NetTerminalGene | Lope2, when you select a wifi connection, does it allow you to enter password |
| 11:55.01 | Lope2 | It shows that they're authenticated, then they just get deauthed. |
| 11:55.02 | ratrace | Lope2: need to do what? |
| 11:55.21 | Lope2 | ratrace, try wpa-supplicant directly |
| 11:55.44 | Lope2 | problem is long term I can't rely on manual wpa-supplicant configs for my laptop, so it's only useful as a test. |
| 11:56.02 | Lope2 | By just disabling wpa from the network, I removed wpa-supplicant from the equation. |
| 11:56.07 | jim | ratrace, it's not a hardware issue though, the hardware works |
| 11:56.12 | ratrace | Lope2: uhhh no you didn't :) |
| 11:56.13 | NetTerminalGene | Lope2, set up password in network manager |
| 11:56.14 | Lope2 | NetTerminalGene, yes it asks for a password |
| 11:56.26 | Lope2 | NetTerminalGene, I've tried that |
| 11:56.41 | ratrace | Lope2: wpa_supplicant is the defacto tool for wifi, even the NM and other fancy GUI tools are using it via dbus in the background |
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| 11:57.32 | Lope2 | ratrace, yeah, I know. But I'm saying it's not practical to use it manually when going to coffee shops etc. |
| 11:57.50 | NetTerminalGene | Lope2, i mean set up it in network manager settings |
| 11:58.32 | ratrace | Lope2: I never said it was, this was just to troubleshoot... I've seen with GNOME and NM using wpa_supplicant via dbus failing, while manually configurig and using it directly, working. |
| 11:58.33 | Lope2 | NetTerminalGene, yes, I've done that, when you open the network-manager GUI and change wireless network settings |
| 11:58.52 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 11:58.52 | Lope2 | ratrace, ah, I see. |
| 11:59.27 | jim | Lope2, so what's different between debian and (the working) ubuntu? are the firmware files different? the driver? I guess you could at least compare versions... also, howbout wpa-supplicant? in all these, do the binaries match according to cmp? |
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| 12:00.12 | Lope2 | brb |
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| 12:05.40 | srged | Why am I getting two (very different) values when I test my SSD speed with two different tools (hdparm and dd) ? |
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| 12:12.27 | dataCobra | ratrace: I have a solution for my problem |
| 12:13.00 | dataCobra | ratrace: I used iif for the interface. But if the interface is not active on bootup you should use iifname or oifname |
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| 12:24.15 | _DeLa_ | I am suffering from the following bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908760 As far as I understand, it is "solved" but it has not officially been fixed (Quote from bug report: "There have however not been any upstream release since the fix which is a shame, I think this need to be locally addressed for the next stable release.")?! Is it safe to just install the .deb file which the last user on the bug report has posted? |
| 12:24.16 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908760 in xdg-utils (open, upstream, fixed-upstream, patch): «xdg-utils: xdg-open doesn't work in LXDE on URLs»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-13; last modified: 2019-09-13. |
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| 12:30.33 | dataCobra | _DeLa_ is there a backports .deb? |
| 12:32.30 | _DeLa_ | dataCobra: Nope, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xdg-utils&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=buster-backports |
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| 12:35.16 | ratrace | srged: depends how exactly you're using each |
| 12:37.36 | dataCobra | DeLa_ I'm sorry but I'm not able to give you a good info on that. :/ |
| 12:37.55 | _DeLa_ | dataCobra: Thanks for trying ;-( |
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| 12:38.37 | _DeLa_ | Will try again in this channel later / tonight |
| 12:38.46 | FightingFalcon | whats your favorite cloud storage service? |
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| 12:42.00 | _DeLa_ | FightingFalcon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafile (although that is not strictly a cloud storage service) |
| 12:42.40 | FightingFalcon | thanks |
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| 12:46.50 | EdePopede | with multiple systems on a gpt disk, wouldn't it be better to have an extra boot partition somewhere between efi, swap, and the system partitions? |
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| 12:48.45 | sponix | EdePopede: I just do one 256MB /EFI as fat32, and let my /boot be on the / (root) partition (I don't split that off)... BUT, I do a separate /home so when I need to reinstall the OS 98% of my stuff is still already configured when I return |
| 12:51.51 | EdePopede | sponix: EFI is 511MB (i just like clean alignments) followed by swap and / - i even have an extra /boot on this single boot system, and wanted to play with some more stuff on the other machine. including parallel installs of busters which may break as long as they don't affect the other ones or the system in general |
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| 12:53.36 | EdePopede | as for swap i found this article recently > https://opensource.com/article/18/9/swap-space-linux-systems < was not for me, but i'm not sure anymore about the old formula of swap:=2Ãram from the days when this was measured in megabytes |
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| 12:56.27 | srged | ratrace: here, have a look. https://paste.debian.net/1120064/ |
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| 13:00.36 | EdePopede | i have here 2 kernels, 26MB each. 1GB is more than enough for some more of them. but i also may install memtest on the other one, and what not. and iirc at least this one also goes into /boot? so according to that article 12GB Swap would be ok for my 8GB RAM even with the hibernation option. i don't think i'll add more of it in the near future. |
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| 13:06.24 | ratrace | srged: how did you create the tempfile? |
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| 13:07.39 | ratrace | EdePopede: swap > total RAM is needlessly big. if you'll ever need swap bigger than RAM that means you're in a serious overcommit mode and risking swapstorms that will grind you to a halt |
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| 13:13.33 | EdePopede | ratrace: that's my point. i ran a live stick on that machine even with only 4GB and no swap. i didn't recode HD videos or did any 3D rendering, but for the usual desktop usage it really was enough. may be the fact that there's no network connection was helpful, no bloated JS frameworks and other evildoers, but it was really a pleasure to use it. (remember: even with 4GB only, where now i have 8) |
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| 13:14.09 | EdePopede | anyway, how much should i use to allow hibernation? |
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| 13:15.11 | EdePopede | and (just for the theory so far): should i have multiple systems and plan to hibernate and boot another one, then i guess i should have different swap partitions for these? |
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| 13:16.32 | srged | ratrace: i created the file using this command to test the write speed. sync; dd if=/dev/zero of=tempfile bs=1M count=1024; sync |
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| 13:16.59 | ratrace | srged: which filesystem? any compression involved? |
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| 13:18.25 | srged | ratrace: no |
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| 13:43.11 | maccraft123 | how hard it is to install debian on hard drive to put into another machine? |
| 13:43.33 | towo` | what? |
| 13:43.55 | maccraft123 | i have a hard drive connected to my arch linux pc |
| 13:44.19 | maccraft123 | and i have pentium m laptop which i want to put debian on |
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| 13:44.43 | maccraft123 | so how hard would it be to not-use installation medium and just use debootstrap? |
| 13:45.09 | towo` | harder than using the installer |
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| 13:53.31 | uniqdom | Hello!, is there any way to let apt warn me if a package is from a non-free repo? |
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| 13:54.05 | jim | you could probably write a wrapper |
| 13:54.48 | jim | that said, you don't have to enable non-free in sources.list |
| 13:55.01 | uniqdom | that seems better |
| 13:55.24 | uniqdom | I just need to install firmware-realtek from non-free |
| 13:56.18 | jim | you could enable it just while you install it... or else just download the .deb and install it with dpkg |
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| 13:57.54 | uniqdom | if I just do your second option, I will miss updates. In your first option, you mean to enable the repo in sources.list, install the package, and then remove the repo? then, I will also miss updated |
| 13:57.54 | uniqdom | updates* |
| 13:59.23 | uniqdom | but i think that I will just do that. |
| 13:59.27 | uniqdom | thanks |
| 13:59.39 | jim | but consider this... if you install the firmware and your wireless works, what reason is there to upgrade? |
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| 14:01.06 | jim | I mean, I think I understand what you want in general (other than that one specific package) |
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| 14:01.14 | dvs | jim, sometimes the firmware needs to match the kernel |
| 14:01.42 | jim | oh good point... so he should enable non-free when he upgrades the kernel? |
| 14:01.54 | dvs | it would be a good idea |
| 14:02.34 | uniqdom | :) |
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| 14:04.30 | n_1-c_k | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.45 | uniqdom | I will take a look |
| 14:05.15 | uniqdom | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.31 | sponix | EdePopede: you only need more swap than ram if you are on a laptop or whatever and want to do hibernate/suspend features. For playing around and breaking Debian 10 (learning) I suggest Virtual Machines with like virtualbox if your rig has the power to support more than one OS running at the same time |
| 14:06.06 | jim | is having a virtual RMS illegal now? |
| 14:06.12 | sponix | EdePopede: I didn't mention a swap partition because I decided to do a "swap file" like Linux Mint defaults to -- and set that up later myself (Googled in on the interwebs) |
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| 14:08.28 | uniqdom | vrms --> 13 non-free packages, 0.3% of 4541 installed packages. 7 contrib packages, 0.2% of 4541 installed packages. |
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| 14:08.42 | uniqdom | :o I'm going to hell |
| 14:09.21 | EdePopede | sponix: with those 8GB i will for sure test out what i can give it. i still have to go for Xen (given that it's still alive and well), had the kernel installed here before, but then the problems started, so i never used it. |
| 14:09.29 | sponix | vrms: 67 non-free packages, 2.5% of 2685 installed packages. 27 contrib packages, 1.0% of 2685 installed packages. |
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| 14:10.19 | sponix | EdePopede: well "virtualbox" is n00b simple to install/use. It does skim a bit more resources though ;) |
| 14:11.07 | jim | uniqdom, one question you could ask, is by what criteria is a package judged non-free |
| 14:11.24 | sponix | EdePopede: most do kvm with lib-virt for serious vm play these days (virt-manager frontend) it is very little overhead, and powerful/flexible |
| 14:11.31 | EdePopede | sponix: i'll also have to decide at some point what i want to do with the windows 10 home i have on that other disk. at least it means i have an official license, the first since my XP PC :) |
| 14:12.10 | EdePopede | is it also still a question of cpu flags, depending on the guest system? |
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| 14:12.46 | sponix | EdePopede: well, chances are if you install Windows 10 even on a different drive, if you don't actually "unplug" your Linux one it will eat grub, and you will have to boot live media to go back in, chroot, and re-install it -- loads of FUN |
| 14:13.36 | EdePopede | it came preinstalled, didn't touch anything there, for the installation now i even removed it |
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| 14:14.49 | EdePopede | and booting live media is what i actually had to do, couldn't get that damn lenovo to cooperate. w/o secure boot it was blind, with it it gave me a secure boot error. but that's why the grub menu is editable :) |
| 14:15.17 | EdePopede | a new entry with 2 lines is enough to get through to the installed system |
| 14:15.55 | EdePopede | and the windows disc is 240GB only, so even a dumb dd backup isn't really an issue |
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| 15:34.12 | subcool | ok. idk what happen. I put my laptop to sleep, opened the lid. ANd it kinda spazzed. didnt properly pull up login box, but i put my apssword in an logged in. WHen the desktop showed up, it froze. ctrl alt f1-f7 didn work. SO i held down the power button. Now, i have emergency maintence mode. the last error to show on the screen , ---" nouveau ####### DRM: pointer to TMDS table invalid. |
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| 15:35.11 | snooky | hi all |
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| 15:51.27 | subcool | k- thanks. |
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| 15:55.37 | mtn | subcool: did you try booting with nomodeset? |
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| 15:59.59 | subcool | mtn: i reboot- followed it said to journalctl - so i did. |
| 16:00.10 | subcool | alot more listen than in dmesg |
| 16:00.19 | mtn | subcool: you did try nomodeset? |
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| 16:14.43 | subcool | mtn: no- i honestly dont know what that is other than for tails |
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| 16:15.30 | mtn | subcool: if nomodeset works, you may be able to fix your video setup. |
| 16:15.33 | mtn | subcool: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu |
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| 16:21.45 | subcool | mtn: THanks dude!!! |
| 16:22.33 | mtn | subcool: welcome, hope it helps |
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| 16:39.53 | shtrb | Where does charge_start_threshold is stored ? I swapped the battery with a replacement and it had a different value but when I plugged it back it should the previously stored value (tlp is uninstalled , thinkpad , thinkpad_acpi is loaded) |
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| 16:43.31 | The_Loko | shtrb: to change thresholds on thinkpad may need "tp_smapi" (not sure if this is what you call thinkpad acpi) |
| 16:44.02 | shtrb | I know I can change them I was surprised to get the value back when I plugged the old battery back |
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| 16:44.20 | shtrb | thinkpad_acpi is a kernel module that provide that facility |
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| 17:00.29 | nvz | shtrb: look in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/ |
| 17:01.53 | shtrb | That is how I found about it, someone at #kernel hinted me that the Embedded Controller may store on the battery itself (or as I guess on the EC memory itself) |
| 17:02.19 | shtrb | very nice and strange feature |
| 17:02.40 | nvz | I threw up on my keyboard on this T440 and couldnt get the smell out, so I bought a new one, and had similar issues with my new keyboard's trackpoint.. the settings were all different |
| 17:03.17 | nvz | I've wrote a little tool for the trackpoint settings.. if I ever get around to it I'd like to just make a user-friendly sysfs tool for all things |
| 17:03.19 | shtrb | your new laptop smelled too ? |
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| 17:04.09 | nvz | na, just got a lil involuntary protien spill on the arrow keys |
| 17:04.39 | nvz | I'd gotten the smell out of the old keyboard but it didnt work right anymore :P |
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| 17:05.13 | nvz | for all I know it may work now.. I'd let it dry 2 days before trying it.. but its now been sitting there for a week or more.. it may be working now for all I know |
| 17:05.33 | nvz | there is a lot more electronics in these newer keyboards |
| 17:05.58 | hiya | Is there live ISO for debian with non-free enabled? |
| 17:06.10 | hiya | Kindly link me the stable, I wish to install |
| 17:06.22 | nvz | hiya: don't use the live to install.. its a bad idea |
| 17:06.33 | hiya | but I want to test first as well |
| 17:06.44 | nvz | then test, and use the regular images to install |
| 17:07.02 | hiya | PureOS.net, which is debian testing with free repo only and it didn't boot |
| 17:07.18 | hiya | It is because of non-free wifi and a lot of non-free stuff in the laptop |
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| 17:07.46 | nvz | yeah if wifi wouldnt cause a machine to not boot.. and if it did, you throw the machine away |
| 17:08.04 | hiya | nvz: :P Sorry for silly and stupid conclusions |
| 17:08.52 | shtrb | ! unoffical |
| 17:08.54 | nvz | hiya: you may want to use the testing non-free images to install, and use expert mode which will allow you to install stable but will boot with a newer kernel |
| 17:09.17 | nvz | hiya: the same kernel thats in testing/unstable is in buster-backports |
| 17:10.10 | hiya | nvz: yes. |
| 17:10.13 | hiya | Thanks |
| 17:10.16 | nvz | you'd have to chroot in and enable backports and install the newer kernel before rebooting |
| 17:10.16 | hiya | I will do that only |
| 17:10.25 | hiya | I follow it |
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| 17:10.52 | nvz | but using the expert mode it will prompt you when you select a mirror for which release you want.. so you can stay on stable |
| 17:10.52 | hiya | nvz: https://www.avita-india.com/product/liber/spec_new |
| 17:10.55 | hiya | This is the machine ^ |
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| 17:11.09 | hiya | I think it is intel wifi |
| 17:11.20 | raidghost | Hauppauge TV cards and Drivers? A NONE existing thing? |
| 17:11.24 | nvz | hiya: that just gives a server error |
| 17:11.43 | nvz | raidghost: those things have been in linux over a decade |
| 17:12.53 | raidghost | nvz: so the hauppauge cards works out of the box? |
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| 17:13.30 | nvz | raidghost: I can't comment on that specifically cause I never had a tv card of any kind but I been building kernels a long time and I know there are mainlined drivers with that name, have been for a long time |
| 17:13.50 | nvz | raidghost: as with any hardware, we'd need pciids or such to lookup support, the name means nothing |
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| 17:14.11 | nvz | drivers claim hardware based on their IDs not their names |
| 17:14.39 | raidghost | 05:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 04) |
| 17:14.42 | raidghost | 06:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 04) |
| 17:14.52 | nvz | raidghost: you need to use lspci -nn |
| 17:15.22 | raidghost | 05:00.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [14f1:8852] (rev 04) |
| 17:15.25 | raidghost | 06:00.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [14f1:8852] (rev 04) |
| 17:15.39 | nvz | ,pciid 14f1:8852 |
| 17:15.40 | judd | [14f1:8852] is 'CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder' from 'Conexant Systems, Inc.' with kernel module 'cx23885' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14f1:8852 |
| 17:15.51 | nvz | checks against that driver in buster |
| 17:16.47 | nvz | alias: pci:v000014F1d00008852sv*sd*bc*sc*i* is showing in modinfo cx23885 in buster's 4.19 kernel |
| 17:17.15 | nvz | so it looks like that device is supported |
| 17:17.32 | hiya | nvz: https://www.avita.com/hk/product/liber/spec#spec-140 14" 8250u |
| 17:18.15 | nvz | hiya: you got one of the core i cpus in there ? |
| 17:18.29 | hiya | nvz: 8250u |
| 17:18.51 | raidghost | nvz: " if you are using a Hauppauge DVB TV tuner in Europe or Australia/New Zealand, you also need to install the TV firmware" |
| 17:18.53 | hiya | Yes Intel CPU with integrated GPU |
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| 17:19.05 | raidghost | only ubuntu that i have seen that have that package |
| 17:19.10 | raidghost | apt-get install linux-firmware-hauppauge |
| 17:19.14 | nvz | hiya: nothing on that page suggests to me any issues |
| 17:19.28 | hiya | nvz: with free repo? |
| 17:20.25 | nvz | hiya: that page doesnt get into the specifics of the hardware.. but a core i machine, if thats what you have.. (there are 5 possible processors for that and only 3 are core i) most the hardware is on the CPU itself and is supported |
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| 17:21.00 | nvz | hiya: the wifi, you can lookup while in windows and get the pciid for it |
| 17:21.39 | hiya | nvz: yes. I will do it. |
| 17:21.45 | shtrb | hiya, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 17:22.05 | shtrb | sorry https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 17:23.04 | nvz | raidghost: we have a firmware-ivtv that has firmware for conexant cards.. but it doesnt mention that model specifically.. either way firmware if required is trivial |
| 17:23.35 | nvz | raidghost: they are binary blob files you drop in /lib/firmware you can get them from anywhere. another distro, upstream, whatever.. its not a big deal |
| 17:24.11 | hiya | shtrb: but nvz just suggested not to use this way and I think I have free repo ISO downloaded |
| 17:24.26 | nvz | no.. I said do not install from a LIVE |
| 17:24.38 | nvz | you can use the non-free ones to make sure your wifi will work.. |
| 17:25.14 | shtrb | and to do so , you can use the link that I just gave (that's for testing just in case ) |
| 17:25.19 | nvz | just dont use the live version, use the regular installer, for testing, use expert mode, choose stable for the mirror, and chroot from the installer post-install before rebooting, and enable backports and install the backport kernel and firmware |
| 17:26.15 | nvz | the idea here is, you'll use the testing installer so the INSTALLER will boot with the NEWER kernel and firmware, but you'll use it to install STABLE, then will manually install the newer kernel/firmware prior to rebooting |
| 17:26.57 | nvz | you said this made sense to you so I didnt go into any further detail on it |
| 17:27.25 | nvz | if you need help figuring out how to do what I said, I'm sure someone here can explain the process in more detail |
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| 17:28.05 | nvz | when in expert mode, when chooosing an apt mirror, after you select a mirror it will ask you which branch you want |
| 17:29.57 | nvz | I am not 100% certain if installing stable from a testing installer will copy the kernel from the cd or use the stable one.. I been meaning to test that but havent gotten around to it.. but its not hard to chroot in and just enable backports and grab linux-image-amd64 and firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-iwlwifi and such from backports |
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| 17:30.57 | nvz | well, I'm not at all certain what it'll do.. I just know its definitely doable to get stable installed this way on machines with hw possibly too new for stable |
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| 17:31.41 | nvz | they should think about making images with both non-free AND backports for the firmware/kernel |
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| 17:32.28 | nvz | so we can easily recommend installing stable for everyone without the extra steps of using a testing installer in expert mode and doing a chroot |
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| 17:36.00 | annadane | oh so that's where the branch selection is |
| 17:36.33 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 17:36.33 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1+b1; sid: 68.3.0esr-1 |
| 17:36.50 | humbot | :v |
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| 17:36.58 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
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| 17:42.28 | gvth | Hi; I am running tails inside a qemu-kvm virtual machine but it's reacting very slowly. How do I find out whether hardware virtualization extensions are enabled and being used? |
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| 17:43.31 | gvth | (hint: cpu virtualization is enabled in BIOS) |
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| 17:51.02 | Bushmaster | whislock, we communicated yesterday, you suggested me to install OpenSUSE, |
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| 17:54.24 | whislock | Bushmaster: More specifically, I said that branching out would be less daunting than you think, and encouraged you to try something non-Debian-based to gain experience. |
| 17:54.26 | whislock | Bushmaster: But yes. |
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| 17:56.28 | Bushmaster | i am in OpenSUSE site whislock there are rolling realise (tumblweed) and something stable, called Leap, I think Leap would cater y needs |
| 17:56.58 | whislock | Bushmaster: You should be aware that this is significantly offtopic for #debian. |
| 17:57.06 | Bushmaster | apparently, I tried to install phpmyadmin in mint and it failed, hence I need to get rid of mint too |
| 17:57.37 | Bushmaster | oh yeah, okay, no problem, sorry for bothering you |
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| 17:57.54 | humbot | isn't there a good reason why phpmyadmin is not in debian |
| 17:57.58 | maccraft123 | has anyone tried debian on ps3? |
| 17:58.22 | Bushmaster | humbot, i installed with help of TReK phpmyadmin in debian yes |
| 17:58.55 | Bushmaster | Debian is best but I have two more partition in hard drive where I need to install couple more distros and put phpmyadmin |
| 17:59.42 | whislock | Bushmaster: Still not entirely sure why you need so many distros. |
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| 18:00.48 | Bushmaster | neither am I whislock but I need to video record screen cast Apache-MariaDB-PHP-phpmyadmin installation |
| 18:01.56 | Bushmaster | hence I need couple more distros, beside, if I cant eliminate Mint and Elementary and replace with other distros, I am wasting my disk space, but I need Debian based Distros |
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| 18:06.00 | nvz | annadane: yes, it comes up right after you select a mirror if you are in expert mode |
| 18:06.05 | whislock | Bushmaster: This... doesn't explain why you need more than one. |
| 18:06.18 | MI9 | hi |
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| 18:07.20 | nvz | I need to fix my VMs so I can document this proceedure for people with newer hardware.. the VM modules are failing to build on my custom kernel so I either gotta fix that or go back to stock kernel :P |
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| 18:10.08 | Bushmaster | whislock, I need to utilize hard disk capacity and these two distros sitting duck, I need to replace with good distros so maximize my disk capacity usage |
| 18:11.15 | whislock | Why do you need more than ONE distro? |
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| 18:12.03 | whislock | Why not blow the whole thing away and just install one? Why do you need multiple distros on one system? |
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| 18:15.01 | Bushmaster | whislock, I cant blow it now, its too late, I have too much data in Debian partition, I dont wanna re-install it okay |
| 18:15.46 | Bushmaster | I think I will go with OpenSUSE |
| 18:16.10 | Bushmaster | but I now realize I need to replace Mint too cos it does not installed phpmyadmin |
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| 18:22.22 | whislock | Bushmaster: Make a backup of your data, and rebuild your system with a single distro. What you're doing now is kind of insane. |
| 18:23.45 | Bushmaster | whislock, i have not done anything yet, I am consulting and gathering information, |
| 18:24.24 | whislock | You have multiple distros on your system, and you're having trouble working with it all. You haven't established a good reason for putting yourself through this much hassle. |
| 18:24.37 | Bushmaster | it is true that one distros will save more space in my hard drive, I have 7 distros and I am planning to eliminate two of them okay |
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| 18:24.53 | whislock | You need to eliminate all of them, and rebuild your system. |
| 18:25.09 | whislock | Back up your data, and reinstall a single distro that you want to use. |
| 18:25.11 | Bushmaster | i do not think i can do that, |
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| 18:29.13 | whislock | You installed one to begin with. |
| 18:29.20 | whislock | Sounds like you can install one. |
| 18:29.26 | whislock | But that is what you need to do. |
| 18:30.03 | hiya | !live |
| 18:30.03 | dpkg | it has been said that live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images. |
| 18:30.11 | hiya | !USB |
| 18:30.11 | dpkg | Universal Serial Bus (USB) is a technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial/communications and more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since version 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/ See also <usb install>, <usbreset>. |
| 18:31.08 | hiya | How to create live USB from ISO? DD command isn't working over a Live USB with Ubuntu on it. |
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| 18:32.11 | whislock | You should be able to just cp deb.iso /dev/sdx |
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| 18:32.59 | EriC^^ | hiya: what's the dd command you're using and what's the output you're getting? |
| 18:33.28 | hiya | EriC^^: dd if=debian-live-10.2.0-amd64-gnome.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 18:33.40 | hiya | out of space, whereas we have 16GB USB |
| 18:33.45 | hiya | whislock: I will try cp now |
| 18:34.02 | EriC^^ | hiya: are you sure you're using /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 etc? |
| 18:34.09 | hiya | sdb |
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| 18:34.28 | EriC^^ | can you pastebin "sudo parted -ls" ? |
| 18:35.19 | hiya | cp: error writing '/dev/sdb': No space left on device |
| 18:35.23 | marduk | dd if=debian.iso bs=4M of=/dev/sdx conv=fdatasync status=progress this always works for me |
| 18:36.16 | marduk | sdx not sdx1 for shure |
| 18:36.33 | hiya | EriC^^: Disk /dev/sdb: 1992MB |
| 18:36.40 | hiya | So Ubuntu USB messed up with it |
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| 18:37.31 | EriC^^ | hiya: maybe that's the live usb and sda is actually the 16gb one? |
| 18:38.19 | hiya | nope |
| 18:38.38 | hiya | I will format the USB once |
| 18:39.59 | EriC^^ | hiya: are you sure that's the USB? same name and everything? |
| 18:42.10 | hiya | EriC^^: yes |
| 18:42.29 | nyov | maybe it's one of those counterfeit chips that don't actually have the full capacity |
| 18:42.45 | EriC^^ | hiya: is it an old usb? |
| 18:43.12 | hiya | EriC^^: Brand new, HP one, I just flashed PureOS/Ubuntu on it and it worked fine |
| 18:43.47 | EriC^^ | maybe try a different port, who knows |
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| 18:45.45 | EriC^^ | hiya: does "dmesg | grep sdb" give anything useful? |
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| 18:52.38 | rany | Is it possible? |
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| 18:53.25 | marduk | hiya type lsblk to determine your usb drive and make sure it is not mounted, then dd your iso on whole device not on partition, use conv=fdatasync an bs=4M options for dd. It is no difference how you formated your usb before, dd will make everything as it should be |
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| 18:54.48 | rany | Also, how could I make it rerun the dispatcher script on network change? |
| 18:55.25 | rany | the manpage is confusing : ( |
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| 18:57.25 | hiya | marduk: EriC^^Ubuntu USB divide the USB into 3 parts, 2.5M, 2G, 13G, I see in Windows PC |
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| 18:58.55 | marduk | hiya: dd will also divide it as it should be. usualy 2 partitions |
| 18:59.25 | whislock | So will 'cp'. |
| 18:59.28 | hiya | marduk: How can I format the whole disk by removing all the partitions? |
| 18:59.39 | whislock | None of this is necessary. Just cp the iso to the block device. |
| 18:59.42 | EriC^^ | hiya: that's right, are you using a separate usb for the live ubuntu usb you're booting, and a separate disk for the debian iso you want dd'd ? |
| 18:59.55 | EriC^^ | whislock: x-y problem |
| 18:59.58 | marduk | just use /dev/sdb (not sdb1) |
| 19:00.07 | hiya | I want to kaput all the /dev/sdb partitions and reformat it |
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| 19:00.20 | hiya | I am using sdb only :( |
| 19:00.39 | hiya | EriC^^: nope, I am using debian laptop to create live USB vis ISO |
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| 19:01.17 | whislock | EriC^^: Doesn't sound like one to me. |
| 19:01.23 | marduk | dd if=deb.iso of=/dev/sdb and all partitions will be kaput |
| 19:01.27 | whislock | hiya: Serioualy. Just cp/cat the iso to the block device. |
| 19:01.43 | whislock | You don't need to futz with dd or its parameters or options. |
| 19:01.43 | EriC^^ | whislock: scroll up to the disk size reported by parted -ls |
| 19:01.49 | hiya | whislock: I tried but it is focusing on all the 2GB |
| 19:01.50 | whislock | Then the USB device is bad. |
| 19:02.00 | hiya | Whereas the USB is 16GB |
| 19:02.02 | whislock | It's that simple. |
| 19:02.05 | EriC^^ | whislock: he said he just dd'd ubuntu iso to it successfully |
| 19:02.16 | hiya | EriC^^: Yes I did, not lying, |
| 19:02.21 | hiya | after that it stopped working |
| 19:02.29 | whislock | "after that it stopped working" |
| 19:02.52 | whislock | If the media is misreporting its size, that's not a partition table error. |
| 19:02.54 | EriC^^ | hiya: so you're booted into debian, which is installed on the hdd, and you're trying to dd a debian iso to the 16gb usb plugged in? |
| 19:02.55 | whislock | That's a hardware/controller error. |
| 19:03.22 | hiya | EriC^^: ye |
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| 19:04.09 | EriC^^ | hiya: can you paste "sudo parted -ls" from debian with the usb plugged in? the whole output |
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| 19:04.26 | EriC^^ | (in some pastebin site) |
| 19:04.54 | annadane | !paste |
| 19:04.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:05.24 | annadane | "some pastebin site" != pastebin.com |
| 19:05.28 | hiya | https://bpaste.net/show/PO27S |
| 19:06.15 | nvz | https://bpaste.net/raw/PO27S |
| 19:06.23 | EriC^^ | hiya: what about "dmesg | grep sdb" |
| 19:06.58 | nvz | thats not as bad as pastebin.com, but its slow and javascripty.. but the raw links are at least friendly enough |
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| 19:07.44 | whislock | hiya: Unplug the USB device and restart your system. Somehow, that device node is showing as a file, not a block device. |
| 19:07.46 | hiya | https://bpaste.net/show/GWMFC |
| 19:07.57 | hiya | EriC^^: ^ |
| 19:08.17 | annadane | EriC^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:08.24 | hiya | whislock: But I just checked in Windows, and it is same there, it is permanently divided into 3 parts lol |
| 19:08.29 | annadane | sorry, bored, i'll shut up |
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| 19:08.35 | hiya | 2G, 2.5M, 13G |
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| 19:08.41 | whislock | hiya: Please just do what I'm asking. |
| 19:08.43 | hiya | and it is focusing on 2G each time I try |
| 19:08.48 | hiya | Ok |
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| 19:11.13 | whislock | hiya: After it comes back up, reinsert the USB drive, run fdisk -l again, and tell me what the /dev name is for the device. |
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| 19:18.14 | hiya | whislock: :D |
| 19:18.18 | hiya | You fixed it |
| 19:18.45 | whislock | hiya: Now: cat file.iso > /dev/sd<whatever letter> |
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| 19:19.17 | nvz | if you're complaint with dd was economy of characters, cp doesn't require the redirect :P |
| 19:19.40 | whislock | I couldn't care less if it was measured in negative imaginary numbers. |
| 19:20.07 | whislock | It's simply that you don't NEED to screw with dd. |
| 19:20.20 | hiya | whislock: already done |
| 19:20.23 | hiya | it copied |
| 19:20.24 | whislock | hiya: Enjoy. |
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| 19:21.07 | hiya | Disk /dev/sdb: 15.2 GiB, 16131293184 bytes, 31506432 sectors |
| 19:21.10 | hiya | Disk model: v220w |
| 19:21.12 | hiya | whislock: ^ |
| 19:21.21 | hiya | It changed like chameleon |
| 19:21.39 | hiya | whislock: you a genius :D |
| 19:21.43 | whislock | The device node got mangled somehow. Rebooting it forced a redetection of the device itself. |
| 19:21.44 | hiya | I thought my disk went bad |
| 19:21.59 | whislock | So did I, until your fdisk output said "(file)". |
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| 19:23.31 | hiya | whislock: question is off-topic but why didn't Windows disk management, fix it? |
| 19:23.47 | whislock | Windows disk management is... um... brain-damaged. |
| 19:24.04 | whislock | It's not configured to expose that kind of information, and it doesn't gracefully handle strange errors like that. |
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| 19:24.20 | hiya | ok |
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| 20:04.07 | _DeLa_ | I am suffering from the following bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908760 As far as I understand, it is "solved" but it has not officially been fixed (Quote from bug report: "There have however not been any upstream release since the fix which is a shame, I think this need to be locally addressed for the next stable release.")?! Is it safe to just install the .deb file which the last user on the bug report has posted? |
| 20:04.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908760 in xdg-utils (open, upstream, fixed-upstream, patch): «xdg-utils: xdg-open doesn't work in LXDE on URLs»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-13; last modified: 2019-09-13. |
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| 20:26.52 | maccraft123 | towo`: installer can't boot on that laptop |
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| 20:27.18 | maccraft123 | i get debian boot menu, choose "install" and it completely freezes |
| 20:27.31 | maccraft123 | wait nvm cdrom is slow |
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| 20:27.39 | maccraft123 | it is doing something |
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| 20:28.18 | towo` | who is using optical drives nowdays? |
| 20:28.35 | maccraft123 | me. |
| 20:28.38 | towo` | is that thing not able to boot from usb? |
| 20:28.43 | maccraft123 | i don't have any pendrives |
| 20:28.52 | maccraft123 | i use sd cards to transfer data |
| 20:28.59 | maccraft123 | it can boot from usb |
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| 20:52.16 | tw | What are the chances I can get away with installing libglfw3+libglfw3-dev from sid w/o them breaking? Am I better off rebuilding it as a backport? |
| 20:53.16 | tw | I want it for GLFW_TRANSPARENT_FRAMEBUFFER, which should be in 3.3, but only 3.2 is in deb10. |
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| 21:36.33 | galvanoport | "reportbug" is a shit |
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| 21:37.07 | nkuttler | create something better |
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| 21:37.25 | whislock | galvanoport: Are you STILL bitching about this? |
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| 21:38.00 | galvanoport | I like debian but bug system is really really shit |
| 21:38.43 | galvanoport | because I'll change my distro today to openSUSE |
| 21:38.43 | Paddy^ | galvanoport: it works since decades |
| 21:38.54 | whislock | galvanoport: Don't let the door hit you on your way out. |
| 21:38.59 | nkuttler | !next |
| 21:38.59 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 21:40.07 | whislock | Wow, BTS is almost at seven digits. |
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| 21:40.26 | nkuttler | why would anybody use such a buggy distro!!1 |
| 21:40.51 | whislock | Screw this, I'm going back to gentoo /s |
| 21:42.47 | Paddy^ | haha |
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| 21:46.36 | nvz | so I'd compiled my own 5.4.1 kernel and been using it the last few days and I just booted back to the stock kernel and now my trackpoint isnt working... it worked a bit at the lightdm login screen.. it was sluggish but then just stopped working at all.. I have no thoughts on why this might be |
| 21:46.46 | galvanoport | Use bugzilla for debian's bugs, jesus |
| 21:46.46 | nvz | luckily I had a usb mouse sitting here |
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| 21:47.42 | nvz | i had just now gone into the mate mouse settings and re-enabled my touchpad and the touchpad works, but the trackpoint doesnt |
| 21:47.45 | galvanoport | I want to cry |
| 21:48.08 | nkuttler | galvanoport: do you have a technical question we can help you with? if not, #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:48.40 | galvanoport | ok |
| 21:48.45 | galvanoport | bye |
| 21:48.58 | nvz | hmm nm.. interesting.. I just tried to fire up the trackpoint utility I made and it says no trackpoints detected.. hmm.. |
| 21:49.15 | nvz | is too drunk for this shit :P |
| 21:49.16 | galvanoport | I'm not a technical guy sorry |
| 21:49.28 | nvz | galvanoport: no worries.. whats going on? |
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| 21:50.08 | nvz | galvanoport: debian uses a custom bts and I'm quite fond of it actually |
| 21:50.37 | nvz | its very nice.. |
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| 21:51.04 | whislock | nvz: He's been in here complaining about reportbug for... I think a week, now. Same thing, every time. |
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| 21:51.38 | nvz | oh well, reportbug is rather atrocious.. its like something I'd program.. barebones enough to make something functional then just give up on it :P |
| 21:51.50 | nvz | that has nothing at all to do with debian's bts |
| 21:52.14 | nvz | debian's bts is pure bliss.. its trivial to use with any email client |
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| 21:52.58 | nvz | galvanoport: you might be of good use to me.. heh.. I been putting together ideas for a unified support interface for debian |
| 21:52.58 | galvanoport | I just want more easy and clear bug tracking system for to report bugs. I don't want to use "reportbug" because it is so more pointless question about mail. It should be more easy man for end users. |
| 21:53.13 | nvz | amen |
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| 21:54.15 | nkuttler | honestly, if you can't be bothered to answer a few questions about email it's doubtful you can write a useful bug report |
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| 21:55.28 | nvz | galvanoport: https://git.fosscommunity.in/kathryntolsen/diss |
| 21:55.47 | nvz | is my ideas thus far |
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| 21:56.33 | galvanoport | for example; youtube-dl is not downloading any video because it must be updated. it is so easy problem. But I must fill pointless questions about my mail and bla bla bla. |
| 21:56.43 | annadane | it's cute how https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting has as example of filing a bug by email: "I am using Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, kernel 2.2.17-pre-patch-13 and libc6 2.1.3-10." |
| 21:56.56 | annadane | well, don't use debian's youtube-dl |
| 21:57.01 | annadane | that's never going to get updated |
| 21:57.04 | annadane | i use a virtualenv |
| 21:58.08 | Paddy^ | ,v youtube-dl |
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| 21:58.09 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1.1; bullseye: 2019.09.28-1; sid: 2019.09.28-1; bullseye-multimedia: 2019.11.28-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 2019.11.28-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.11.28-dmo1 |
| 21:58.30 | annadane | really? |
| 21:59.23 | galvanoport | what is the virtualenv? |
| 21:59.45 | Paddy^ | i download it to ~/bin and when it means about updates i fetch it from the website manually. easy peasy |
| 21:59.48 | galvanoport | is it like qemu? |
| 21:59.59 | Paddy^ | means/moans |
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| 22:00.28 | Paddy^ | its done in less than 2 minutes and not worth a bug report |
| 22:00.39 | nvz | galvanoport: I use git for youtube-dl and mps-youtube as needed.. as its simple not possible for debian to keep up with that |
| 22:01.23 | galvanoport | I don't understand "git". I don't know that. |
| 22:01.30 | nvz | anyone overly concerned by it could work to become a DM and maintain the package and possible offer updates using the volitile system |
| 22:01.58 | nvz | galvanoport: its not that difficult.. if I werent very drunk right now I'd show you how :P |
| 22:02.34 | galvanoport | ok, thanks I will try :P |
| 22:02.45 | nvz | I probably have video demo of it on my server somewhere |
| 22:02.50 | nvz | looks |
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| 22:07.46 | maccraft123 | hey |
| 22:07.59 | maccraft123 | can anyone check if current testing i386 install media is broken? |
| 22:08.17 | nvz | doesn't see it |
| 22:08.19 | galvanoport | <annadane> thanks but that I mean it is not this. |
| 22:08.22 | maccraft123 | i downloaded 2 different builds and ran it from 2 different mediums |
| 22:08.56 | maccraft123 | >adduser: `/bin/chfn -f systemd Time Synchronization systemd-timesync' returned error code 1. Exiting. |
| 22:09.22 | nvz | galvanoport: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl |
| 22:09.38 | nvz | galvanoport: I meant pip not git.. |
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| 22:10.04 | nvz | its rather trivial to instlal and update youtube-dl and mps-youtube with pip |
| 22:10.37 | galvanoport | ok |
| 22:10.42 | galvanoport | thanks |
| 22:10.43 | nvz | galvanoport: and if you haven't tried mps-youtube I highly recommend checking it out |
| 22:11.05 | nvz | its a complete curses based interface to youtube, searching, watching, listening, downloading, etc.. |
| 22:11.41 | galvanoport | wow it is good then |
| 22:11.57 | galvanoport | thank bro |
| 22:12.01 | nvz | galvanoport: https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube |
| 22:13.35 | nyov | +1 hahaha. let's take back the web, ... to the commandline |
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| 22:16.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.05 | nvz | will be back later when he sobers up |
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| 22:35.07 | galvanoport | <nvz> I installed that program with pip3 |
| 22:35.26 | galvanoport | now I'll try to download a video |
| 22:40.05 | annadane | can i fully zero out a disk with the installer before installing? |
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| 22:42.00 | tradar | annadane: yes, you can do it with dd |
| 22:42.36 | annadane | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda? |
| 22:42.50 | tradar | /dev/zero |
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| 22:50.18 | bit1 | hello, Any hint for a cups error [CGI] Saw EOF, expected \'}\'! ? |
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| 22:51.52 | galvanoport | <nvz> thanks bro, it is working after some adjusts |
| 22:52.24 | galvanoport | I learned pip3 now |
| 22:52.39 | nvz | galvanoport: yeah, you gotta adjust the settings.. I use mplayer for playing the videos |
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| 22:53.09 | nvz | goes in search of food |
| 22:58.36 | galvanoport | I want to keep persistent "$HOME/.local/bin" to my user $PATH with ".profile". But how? |
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| 23:04.20 | galvanoport | it is boring to type regularly PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin to terminal. Also when I was install Debian 10 on my computer, it has no "/usr/bin" in the $PATH. Then I added that to /etc/profile |
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| 23:04.46 | nvz | galvanoport: path is set in .bashrc |
| 23:04.58 | galvanoport | I want to report it too |
| 23:05.09 | galvanoport | with reportbug |
| 23:05.10 | galvanoport | :D |
| 23:05.37 | galvanoport | <nvz> thanks bro |
| 23:05.47 | galvanoport | I'll try now |
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| 23:12.17 | galvanoport | it's working again |
| 23:12.25 | galvanoport | I'm happy now |
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| 23:39.29 | bit1 | cups issue? I've sent a file.ps to a remote server without filter (raw queue), and it works fine, but when I configure that remote printer it fails: I get " [CGI] Saw EOF, expected \'}\'!" . Any hint? |
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| 23:45.05 | bit1 | solved! |
| 23:46.21 | annadane | what did you do? |
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