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| 00:18.17 | annadane | just out of curiosity i can't unmount a drive from within the drive/partition right? |
| 00:18.22 | annadane | i can't just umount /dev/sd |
| 00:18.23 | annadane | a |
| 00:18.53 | somiaj | You can't unmount any file system that is being used. |
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| 00:21.43 | nyov | annadane: you unmount mounted filesystems, not partitions per se. if you don't have any partitions on /dev/sda, but a filesystem on the raw disk, then technically you could unmount /dev/sda |
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| 01:37.13 | dacencora | hey guys |
| 01:38.49 | dacencora | does anyone know which package provides MDNS to satisfy CMAKE dependencies? |
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| 01:40.19 | nyov | dacencora: what's MDNS there? |
| 01:40.57 | dacencora | CMake fails and says -- Could NOT find MDNS (missing: MDNS_LIBRARY MDNS_INCLUDE_DIR) |
| 01:41.09 | nyov | trying to build what? |
| 01:41.15 | dacencora | Kodi |
| 01:41.20 | nyov | libnss-mdns - NSS module for Multicast DNS name resolution |
| 01:41.35 | nyov | that mdns? |
| 01:41.41 | dacencora | I'm trying to build kodi because the one in the defualt repos is too outdated |
| 01:41.55 | dacencora | Not sure. I have that installed but it didn't satisfy the dep |
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| 01:44.51 | nyov | well i'm not sure what mdns library that would be |
| 01:45.02 | nyov | ask your source tree documentatino |
| 01:45.39 | dacencora | Ok. Other question I have is that the 'lirc' package provides a LIRCd service but it fails to start |
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| 01:47.11 | burrows | dacencora: deb-multimedia.org has the latest kodi |
| 01:48.46 | nyov | dacencora: lircd requires a config file at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf to start |
| 01:48.56 | nyov | if it doesn't have any, it won't start |
| 01:48.58 | dacencora | Ahh I see |
| 01:49.01 | dacencora | Thank you |
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| 01:54.49 | tekcap | Anyone here use pywal? |
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| 02:03.57 | cinesc | hi |
| 02:04.46 | cinesc | is the GL (Fake KMS) OpenGL recommended to use if you´re on a pi 4b? |
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| 02:24.02 | warsoul | what ftp client i can use? |
| 02:24.06 | warsoul | an easy one please |
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| 02:24.12 | ksk | !ftpmustdie |
| 02:24.12 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . For authenticated file transfer, ask me about <sftp>. For unauthenticated download, HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . Debian ceased offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
| 02:24.55 | ksk | warsoul: If I remember correctly I used "ncftp" in the past.. |
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| 02:25.46 | warsoul | ksk ok i want to upload a file to my server |
| 02:25.59 | ksk | warsoul: use ssh / sftp |
| 02:26.18 | ksk | like "scp file user@host:/directory" |
| 02:26.28 | ksk | you just need to be able to ssh to the host to do that. |
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| 02:26.44 | warsoul | ok |
| 02:26.52 | warsoul | ksk where can i get a manual for that? |
| 02:27.03 | ksk | warsoul: take a look at the manpage? |
| 02:27.58 | nyov | commandline of gui client? |
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| 02:39.34 | karlpinc | !tell warsoul about ssh |
| 02:40.18 | karlpinc | warsoul: If you try something and it does not work feel free to come back with the details, what you typed, all of what it said, what you're trying to do. |
| 02:40.19 | warsoul | karlpinc i use ssh |
| 02:40.53 | warsoul | i just wanted to upload a file to my server |
| 02:41.02 | karlpinc | warsoul: You did ask where you can get a manual for ssh. |
| 02:41.14 | ksk | nah, he asked for a manuel for ncftp.. |
| 02:41.22 | karlpinc | warsoul: scp filename server: |
| 02:41.23 | BazookaTooth | sshfs would also be handy |
| 02:41.25 | ksk | anyways, I kind of told you already how to transfer a file using ssh |
| 02:41.29 | ksk | what is your problem with that? |
| 02:41.46 | karlpinc | warsoul: That's the essentials. |
| 02:42.17 | warsoul | ncftp is like old ftps? |
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| 02:42.39 | ksk | warsoul: wat? its an ftp client. ftps is ftp over ssl. |
| 02:42.49 | karlpinc | scp fullyqualifiedfilename user@domainqualifedhostname:/path/to/file |
| 02:42.55 | karlpinc | warsoul: That's the long form. |
| 02:43.06 | whislock | Wow, that's some mangled terminology. |
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| 03:27.01 | whislock | warsoul: You're already using SSH. You need literally nothing else to use SCP. It's a single command to copy a file. |
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| 03:33.34 | warsoul | whislock i open terminal |
| 03:33.37 | warsoul | and typed ftp |
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| 03:33.44 | warsoul | then open IP |
| 03:33.46 | whislock | Stop trying to use FTP. |
| 03:33.51 | warsoul | is showing that error |
| 03:33.52 | whislock | I don't get why this keeps coming up. |
| 03:34.02 | warsoul | ok then |
| 03:34.13 | warsoul | how can i upload/download files to the server? |
| 03:34.19 | ksk | warsoul: why dont you even remotly consider doing what like 20 people told you!? |
| 03:35.05 | whislock | warsoul: 21:26 <ksk> like "scp file user@host:/directory" |
| 03:35.15 | whislock | warsoul: 21:39 <karlpinc> !tell warsoul about ssh |
| 03:35.26 | whislock | warsoul: 21:41 <karlpinc> warsoul: scp filename server: |
| 03:35.31 | annadane | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 03:35.44 | whislock | warsoul: 21:42 <karlpinc> scp fullyqualifiedfilename user@domainqualifedhostname:/path/to/file |
| 03:35.57 | whislock | warsoul: Et cetera. You have been told this NUMEROUS times. |
| 03:36.04 | warsoul | ok |
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| 04:03.27 | nvz | warsoul: which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 04:16.21 | warsoul | nvz xfce |
| 04:16.26 | warsoul | i installed filezilla |
| 04:18.30 | nvz | yeah thunar doesnt support sftp and such |
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| 04:28.59 | nvz | warsoul: http://nvz.farted.net/sftp-mate.mp4 |
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| 04:30.27 | nvz | yet another thing mate does better :P |
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| 04:48.02 | BazookaTooth | nvz: nemo/caja work fine with that. i actually use nemo with xfce on some installs but caja would do it too |
| 04:48.38 | BazookaTooth | mate and cinnamon are just forks anyway |
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| 04:49.25 | BazookaTooth | spacemanfm tho.. usually covers more with less libs and stuff |
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| 04:51.15 | BazookaTooth | or like i usually mention.. use sshfs and then whatever method you want |
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| 04:53.41 | BazookaTooth | spacemanfm is better for like fluxbox/openbox/i3/etc |
| 04:54.34 | BazookaTooth | also better for shortcuts in ranger or nnn |
| 04:54.59 | BazookaTooth | sshfs in general is helpful |
| 04:58.31 | BazookaTooth | spacefm, blurring sftpman again.. derp |
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| 05:54.35 | Jmabsd | what's the name of address for "LibVirt" actually, i think it is indeed LibVirt rather than VirtD or Virt |
| 05:54.36 | Jmabsd | is it |
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| 06:02.29 | jm_ | Jmabsd: what address? |
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| 06:07.35 | jm_ | Jmabsd: Debian packages usually provide that info in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/copyright |
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| 06:07.55 | jm_ | you can also find it online on https://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 06:57.13 | ravensrook | dpkg was interrupted..... 'dpkg --configure -a' hangs the system...suggestions? |
| 06:57.14 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ravensrook |
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| 06:59.37 | SerajewelKS | ravensrook: hangs the whole system or just the one terminal? |
| 06:59.48 | jm_ | you can't even ping it after that? |
| 07:01.34 | ravensrook | SerajewelKS: nothing... system is frozen... hard reboot only choice |
| 07:05.18 | ravensrook | as dpkg was interrupted.... no longer does apt-get or any other pkg installer work... they all return the same error and solution which when applied ... hangs the entire system. |
| 07:11.05 | Katana_Steel | ravensrook: check if either /var/cache/archives/lock or /var/lib/apt/lists/lock are still present |
| 07:11.18 | themill | they should always be present |
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| 07:13.03 | jm_ | can you ping it from another system? can you login remotely when it "hangs"? tried running dpkg command in screen and checking if screen still works to create another tty to work on? |
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| 07:16.23 | Katana_Steel | themill: and they should be 0(zero) bytes too |
| 07:17.00 | ravensrook | jm_: after invoking --configure -a .... the entire system freezes.... screen, keyboard, mouse... nothing works except the power button. |
| 07:17.23 | Katana_Steel | afaict, at least |
| 07:17.31 | themill | they always will be, yes |
| 07:18.24 | jm_ | ravensrook: even ping does not work? |
| 07:19.44 | ravensrook | jm_: every thing works just fine, until, i invoke the dpkg configure command....ping does not work.... bluetooth, inet, remote login.... nothing, |
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| 07:21.19 | jm_ | ravensrook: are you running dpkg from GUI? |
| 07:21.23 | ravensrook | jm_: the entire system completely freezes.... the solution is surely simple, but it eludes me. |
| 07:21.59 | ravensrook | jm_: running from cli |
| 07:23.06 | jm_ | ravensrook: from linux console or from a GUI terminal? |
| 07:23.08 | nyov | that should definitely not happen |
| 07:23.23 | ravensrook | linux console |
| 07:23.32 | jm_ | wow that's very bad indeed |
| 07:24.41 | jm_ | what I would try is try to use some other kind of console (serial or network) and run «dpkg --configure -a -D2» to at least get some idea what triggers it |
| 07:25.07 | themill | ravensrook: btw what originally interrupted dpkg? |
| 07:25.10 | nyov | perhaps it left a clue in dmesg |
| 07:25.41 | ravensrook | jm_: yepper.... bad..... thanks for your suggestions and help... as i am off-grid here... it is time to shut down the battery for the night.... |
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| 07:25.51 | Voldenet | sounds like a disk issue |
| 07:26.02 | Voldenet | or ram |
| 07:26.54 | ravensrook | themill: was doing a small collection of install...the weird thing is, even tho power was interrupted. they all installed just fine. |
| 07:27.20 | jm_ | yeah also check logs after reboot to see if it leaves any clue somewhere |
| 07:27.26 | nyov | so it was a power loss? |
| 07:27.58 | jm_ | verify file checksum too, i.e. debsums |
| 07:28.33 | themill | The output of "dpkg --audit" and "dpkg --verify" would be interesting |
| 07:28.37 | ravensrook | nyov: yes power loss.... was running on notebook battery... no warning about the state.... just quit |
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| 07:29.06 | jm_ | plenty of stuff to try then when sun/wind fills the batteries :) |
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| 07:29.29 | Voldenet | maybe you could run strace on dpkg to see what does it hang on |
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| 07:30.16 | jm_ | at least strace -f then, but -D2 shall point out which script it is, then one can run that via sh -x or whatever |
| 07:30.51 | ravensrook | THANK YOU ALL for chipping in with knowledge and options... will try them all and check in back here tomorrow and let you know how it went. Thanks Again! over and out, |
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| 07:32.42 | jm_ | no worries |
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| 07:38.07 | SerajewelKS | i'd be very interested to have screen running with dmesg -w running alongside dpkg |
| 07:38.56 | SerajewelKS | if the whole system freezes that points at the kernel... would be interesting to see what the kernel is saying at the time. my guess is bad memory or bad disk. |
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| 10:31.00 | cupcake90 | Hi, I have an Openldap system to authenticate users to some servers, Currently the root user is shared to only few admins only but some guy need access in latop for some critical thing, he does not have access to root in laptop but how can we secure su - from a device like that any solution ? |
| 10:32.04 | cupcake90 | Pl ignore if it is a dump question |
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| 10:34.11 | jm_ | can't you configure sudo for them instead? |
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| 10:34.33 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to make a Debian 10 install on a USB drive EFI bootable? |
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| 10:35.48 | zamuro | !unetbootin |
| 10:35.48 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 10:38.29 | cupcake90 | jm_: Still a local root account can login any user account right? |
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| 10:44.01 | cupcake90 | jm_: I know it is by standard Unix design but checking for alternatives |
| 10:45.42 | jm_ | cupcake90: yes |
| 10:46.17 | jm_ | vlt: if you install it to USB on an EFI system it should be, or why not use debian-live? |
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| 10:52.57 | vlt | jm_: What does "debian-live" mean? |
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| 10:59.22 | crivrc | vlt: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 11:00.38 | jm_ | vlt: a live image, no installation needed, you just write it to a medium and boot with it |
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| 11:43.29 | simplicius | hello |
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| 11:43.54 | simplicius | I don't understand if firmwares are loaded into a device from a computer or not |
| 11:45.24 | simplicius | whe I plugged my wireless card I get this: [ 8156.290850] usb 1-1.4: firmware: direct-loading firmware ath9k_htc/htc_9271-1.4.0.fw |
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| 11:49.10 | jm_ | does it work or not? |
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| 11:56.00 | vlt | jm_: Ah, ok! No, I need a customizable installation. |
| 11:56.19 | jm_ | vlt: live can be customized too :) |
| 11:56.23 | vlt | jm_: Although ... it doesn't need to change afterward. |
| 11:56.36 | vlt | Yes, then I should try debian-live. |
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| 12:47.08 | MaxFrames | hi |
| 12:47.51 | MaxFrames | I've configured debian 10 for x11 forwarding, but it still is trying to send to [debian machine hostname]:10.0 |
| 12:48.01 | MaxFrames | I've followed this: https://linuxhint.com/configure_ssh_x11_forwarding_debian_10/ |
| 12:48.34 | MaxFrames | namely, X11 Forwarding is set to yes and X11UseLocalHost is set to no |
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| 12:48.50 | MaxFrames | strange |
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| 12:50.11 | jm_ | does ssh process listen on say localhost:6010? |
| 12:50.18 | MaxFrames | sshd has been restarted of course; then I connect from windows via putty on which I've set the option to enable x11 forwarding over ssh |
| 12:50.52 | MaxFrames | jm_: where, on the "server" (debian) or on the client (windows)? |
| 12:50.55 | jm_ | (ssh process = sshd handling user's session) |
| 12:50.57 | jm_ | MaxFrames: ^^^^^^ |
| 12:51.03 | jm_ | so server |
| 12:51.20 | MaxFrames | isn't it port 22? |
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| 12:51.55 | jm_ | no, that's the main sshd, then it forks and starts one you will see as sshd: username@... or so - check this one - I'll have to run now, sorry |
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| 12:57.49 | MaxFrames | "echo $DISPLAY" => nothing |
| 12:59.07 | themill | MaxFrames: do you have the xauth package installed on both client and server? |
| 12:59.19 | MaxFrames | client is windows with xming and putty |
| 12:59.42 | MaxFrames | xauth is installed on server (debian) |
| 12:59.59 | MaxFrames | $DISPLAY is not set on debian, echo returns nil |
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| 13:00.30 | MaxFrames | it's like it defaults to localhost:10.0 despite me disabling X11UseLocalhost |
| 13:00.32 | themill | I think you've got to tell putty what the local display is |
| 13:01.08 | themill | that's incorrect, you do want DISPLAY pointing to localhost on the server |
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| 13:03.16 | MaxFrames | on putty, I have set the "X display location" parameter to "localhost:0" (also tried "localhost:0.0") |
| 13:03.38 | MaxFrames | which seems correct, giving that xming is listening on 0.0 |
| 13:03.46 | themill | is that what you've configured xming to use? |
| 13:03.58 | MaxFrames | yes |
| 13:04.02 | MaxFrames | (default) |
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| 13:04.49 | themill | and xming is definitely running before you make any ssh connection? |
| 13:04.52 | MaxFrames | as for the debian side, you say that I should actually _enable_ X11UseLocalhost? |
| 13:05.01 | MaxFrames | yes xming is running |
| 13:05.14 | MaxFrames | (in process list and in system tray) |
| 13:05.43 | themill | Yes. X11UseLocalhost=yes is the default and it is what you want |
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| 13:06.02 | MaxFrames | by default it is set to yes but commented |
| 13:06.36 | themill | You want the X11 connection to land in localhost:10.0 (on the ssh server) and then that to get tunnelled over the ssh connection and then given by the ssh client to your xming localhost:0 |
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| 13:07.03 | Barralastic | bash: a2ensite: command not found |
| 13:07.23 | themill | Barralastic: /usr/sbin/a2ensite |
| 13:07.25 | MaxFrames | nice! it's working! |
| 13:07.42 | MaxFrames | so basically the instructions I'd found (on multiple websites) are incorrect |
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| 13:08.16 | themill | I've never seen anyone talk about that option before |
| 13:09.00 | MaxFrames | it's mentioned in many forums; me, knowing nothing, I just googled for "debian 10 x11 forwarding" |
| 13:09.09 | MaxFrames | thanks |
| 13:09.44 | themill | np. X11Forwarding=yes was the only one you actually needed to change there fwiw |
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| 13:11.07 | MaxFrames | that line was already enabled, I am 99% sure I didn't do it, so perhaps it's the default |
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| 13:13.00 | themill | yeah, the default in the config file is different to the default in sshd and the default listed in the documentation, for added amusement. |
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| 13:16.33 | tlatelolco | Hello. I need to export my Kmail data which was in Debian 8. But I didn't do it then and in the meantime I migrated to Debian 9. How can I recover it? Do I have to make a new Debian 8 box, paste the .kde files and export the file through the assistant? If so, how can I install a Debian 8 box? |
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| 13:18.26 | Guest9432 | high brew |
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| 13:19.09 | Guest9432 | tell debian's team to implement a default ROUTE filtered, please help iptables |
| 13:19.22 | Guest9432 | moda foca |
| 13:19.28 | Guest9432 | tell debian's team to implement a default ROUTE filtered, please help iptables |
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| 13:19.57 | MaxFrames | lol |
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| 13:20.21 | themill | Filtering as requested. |
| 13:21.34 | Barralastic | themill: thank you! works well! |
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| 13:22.08 | themill | :) |
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| 13:28.27 | CrystalMath | hi all |
| 13:28.36 | CrystalMath | is there a way to track the votes regarding the GR online? |
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| 13:29.58 | Akuw | what Disassemblers and Decompilers are in debian main repository |
| 13:30.11 | CrystalMath | hmm, radare2, ndisasm |
| 13:30.23 | CrystalMath | and the somewhat obscure ht (it's great) |
| 13:30.26 | themill | CrystalMath: no because votes are not publich |
| 13:30.28 | themill | -h |
| 13:30.53 | CrystalMath | is it like anonymous, or we can't even see the count? |
| 13:31.29 | CrystalMath | i assumed it's anonymous |
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| 13:33.34 | Barralastic | ERROR: Site /etc/apache2/sites-available/exmpl.com does not exist! |
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| 13:34.39 | Barralastic | after use /usr/sbin/a2ensite /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/exmpl.com.conf |
| 13:35.26 | themill | you don't give it the full path to the file |
| 13:36.04 | themill | also, tab completion works with a2ensite |
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| 13:53.52 | horribleprogram | yo kids |
| 13:54.00 | horribleprogram | sudo apt-get source libstdc++6 |
| 13:54.03 | EdePopede | config pathes are relative to the config file iirc. and it is always a good idea to look into the default config, especially for such as complex as apache's, just to see how stuff works |
| 13:54.07 | horribleprogram | now where is this package |
| 13:55.17 | EdePopede | apt-cache show libstdc++6 > Package: libstdc++6 > Source: gcc-6 |
| 13:55.45 | EdePopede | i have no plans for fetching it atm, does it maybe need the name of the source? |
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| 13:57.02 | themill | horribleprogram: in the current directory, and you probably didn't want to do that as root |
| 13:57.36 | horribleprogram | themill: believe it or not |
| 13:57.47 | horribleprogram | themill: it's in my home directory :O ty |
| 13:57.52 | horribleprogram | even with sudo |
| 13:58.08 | themill | sure, but root owns it now |
| 13:58.25 | horribleprogram | ahh |
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| 14:17.32 | D3b14n | hey, if anyone cares enough to fix it, it appears the english wikipedia article on debian has been vandalised |
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| 14:17.56 | D3b14n | someone added a command that deletes your entire hard drive and said it unlocks a secret game |
| 14:18.22 | colo-work | lol |
| 14:18.35 | D3b14n | end of intro right before the table of contents |
| 14:18.43 | D3b14n | and the idiots username is Rmroot |
| 14:18.49 | D3b14n | lol |
| 14:19.10 | ksk | D3b14n: not really a debian issue, contact wikipedia ;) |
| 14:19.16 | D3b14n | okay ksk |
| 14:19.23 | D3b14n | in all fairness im the one who did it |
| 14:19.27 | D3b14n | and its very funny |
| 14:19.41 | Haohmaru | u vandalist u |
| 14:19.52 | Haohmaru | go to the corner! |
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| 14:22.46 | karlpinc | What is with the release notes being so hard to find these days? They used to be at debian.org, now I always have to dig for them. |
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| 14:23.25 | Haohmaru | security by obscurity? |
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| 14:24.02 | Haohmaru | or a marketing strategy to make you spend moar time on teh website and fall in love with it |
| 14:24.21 | Haohmaru | or sub-optimal feng-shui |
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| 14:35.02 | eggbean | Is exim4 no longer installed by default? |
| 14:36.23 | tlatelolco | How can I install a new box with the last 8.x Debian version? |
| 14:36.54 | ksk | !archive |
| 14:36.54 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 14:36.59 | wsky | ///2 |
| 14:37.10 | ksk | tlatelolco: the last link. |
| 14:37.38 | ksk | you might consider installing the latest version of debian though ;) |
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| 14:38.24 | tlatelolco | no, I need that |
| 14:38.30 | themill | eggbean: it's still part of the Standard task |
| 14:38.53 | eggbean | themill: But not installed by default apparently |
| 14:39.01 | tlatelolco | Which last link? Won't the installer install the latest version? |
| 14:39.06 | eggbean | Standard task? What is that? |
| 14:39.11 | themill | eggbean: it has only ever been part of the standard task |
| 14:39.16 | themill | !standard task |
| 14:39.16 | dpkg | standard task is probably a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 14:39.41 | eggbean | I thought it was installed by default before |
| 14:39.41 | ksk | tlatelolco: the last link of the more then one link a bot named "dpkg" pated |
| 14:39.58 | eggbean | tlatelolco: Thanks |
| 14:40.17 | themill | eggbean: there isn't really a default, there is what you select |
| 14:40.35 | eggbean | Are there other options for mail? |
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| 14:40.52 | themill | many |
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| 14:41.51 | eggbean | Okay. For some reason I have always thought that Debian default mail system was exim4 and that it was installed by default |
| 14:41.55 | themill | ,rprovides mail-transport-agent |
| 14:41.57 | judd | Package mail-transport-agent in buster/amd64 is provided by: citadel-server, courier-mta, dma, esmtp-run, exim4-daemon-heavy, exim4-daemon-light, msmtp-mta, nullmailer, opensmtpd, postfix, qmail-run, sendmail-bin. |
| 14:42.11 | eggbean | cheers |
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| 14:42.33 | eggbean | oops, I meant thanks themill |
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| 14:50.47 | eggbean | `sudo apt install ~pstandard` doesn't seem to do anything for me. And I don't even seem to have aptitude installed? |
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| 15:00.44 | jelly | eggbean: install it. apt does not know about "~pstandard" syntac. |
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| 15:08.19 | tlatelolco | dpkg, thanks |
| 15:08.19 | dpkg | tlatelolco: sure thing |
| 15:08.22 | tlatelolco | ksk, thanks |
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| 15:09.33 | jelly | huh, only three null mailers remaining (4 if you count dma) |
| 15:09.41 | tlatelolco | dpkg, in images archive, what's for a usb stick: bt-dvd? |
| 15:09.42 | dpkg | tlatelolco: no idea |
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| 15:12.51 | annadane | tlatelolco, you're talking to a bot |
| 15:13.15 | annadane | and i think a usb is iso-cd, i'd have to check |
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| 15:13.21 | annadane | i've never been too clear on that |
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| 15:15.53 | tlatelolco | annadane, |
| 15:15.58 | annadane | images now can be 'hybrid images' meaning they can equally be burned to a cd or a usb, as far as i understand |
| 15:16.04 | tlatelolco | lol. I didn't know |
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| 15:16.15 | annadane | judd and dpkg are both bots :P |
| 15:16.34 | tlatelolco | bt-dvd is for DVD by bittorrent |
| 15:16.50 | tlatelolco | you can burn the #1 to a 4GB usb stick |
| 15:17.05 | tlatelolco | according to what's written. I am downloading this one |
| 15:17.26 | annadane | i'm sure there's a README explaining what the files are? |
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| 15:20.56 | eggbean | jelly: thanks |
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| 15:32.20 | eggbean | Installing dma installs exim4-base as well? Confusing |
| 15:32.33 | greycat | ,depends dma |
| 15:32.34 | judd | Package dma in buster/amd64 -- depends: ucf (>= 0.28), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.14), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0). |
| 15:33.17 | greycat | oh, it says it provides mail-transport-agent... ok, that is indeed weird |
| 15:33.28 | eggbean | greycat: That doesn't how exim4 as a dependency, so why is apt doing this? |
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| 15:33.56 | greycat | Don't know what your starting state was, exactly what you typed, or exactly what set of packages was brought in. |
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| 15:34.14 | greycat | what does "aptitude why exim4-base" say? |
| 15:34.54 | oijoij | Hi I've a problem for mount a RAID at Startup, I juste wrote a question on askubuntu with details : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1195193/cant-mount-raid-device-at-startup |
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| 15:37.08 | eggbean | greycat: Well exim4 was already installed and this is what happens when I try and install dma http://sprunge.us/BgBzqd |
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| 15:39.02 | greycat | replacing one MTA with another can be... ugly |
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| 15:39.30 | greycat | it also said exim4-base is no longer required, so you should be able to delete it |
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| 15:39.32 | eggbean | This is just a temp server. |
| 15:39.57 | eggbean | But then it says it will be installed and also upgraded |
| 15:40.08 | greycat | it's installing a newer version because you've fallen behind on that one, and there's nothing forcing its removal at this time |
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| 15:40.52 | eggbean | So this wouldn't happen on a fresh installation I guess |
| 15:41.16 | greycat | If it were "fresh" exim4-base would be up to date, and it wouldn't be upgrading it. It would just be leaving it in place. |
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| 15:41.36 | greycat | same way it's currently leaving exim4-config in place |
| 15:42.21 | eggbean | A fresh installation would not have exim4 installed, I was told earlier |
| 15:43.06 | greycat | maybe. |
| 15:43.49 | eggbean | I plan to start using dma instead of exim4 from now, as it is apparently more lightweight. I only need an MTA to send out server error emails |
| 15:44.21 | greycat | They're all "light" on 2019 hardware. Just use whichever one you are most comfortable configuring and administering. |
| 15:44.33 | eggbean | Ah okay |
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| 15:55.35 | tabaqui1 | hey all |
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| 15:56.41 | tabaqui1 | I'm trying to set up a systemd service (non-user), but it requires DBUS_SESSION_BUS_NAME variable to work with |
| 15:57.24 | tabaqui1 | it's a headless remote server, the service works with root permissions |
| 15:57.37 | tabaqui1 | how can I acquire dbus bus here? |
| 15:58.03 | greycat | are you actually wanting to run it as part of a user's interactive (ssh?) session? |
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| 15:58.18 | tabaqui1 | definetly not |
| 15:58.44 | greycat | If it's actually a daemon that you want to run as user X, then simply user User=X in the unit file, and run it normally. |
| 15:58.45 | tabaqui1 | I just manage the server via ssh |
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| 16:00.47 | tabaqui1 | "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is missing or invalid" |
| 16:00.57 | greycat | so this is not a regular daemon |
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| 16:01.09 | tabaqui1 | what do you mean? |
| 16:01.18 | greycat | is it ... *intended* to be run as part of a user's interactive session, and you are trying to cheat the system and not do that? |
| 16:01.39 | tabaqui1 | not sure |
| 16:02.10 | tabaqui1 | actually, I've written the microservices, using dbus as message broker |
| 16:02.30 | tabaqui1 | do you mean, that I use dbus in wrong way? |
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| 16:04.42 | ksk | tabaqui1: reading "dbus" on wikipedia, it kind of says "inter process commnication (for desktop-foo)" |
| 16:04.51 | greycat | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS shows up in dbus-launch(1) and in dbus-run-session(1). Um. Good luck. |
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| 16:05.19 | tabaqui1 | ksk: that's how I use it |
| 16:05.31 | ksk | but "desktop foo" is not "daemon" |
| 16:05.47 | greycat | 10:57 tabaqui1> it's a headless remote server |
| 16:06.51 | tabaqui1 | ah, I get it |
| 16:07.42 | tabaqui1 | well, luckly, it doesn't require actual X server running, but I need to bind it with user login somehow |
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| 16:10.35 | jim__ | me from a new machine... seems to work :) bye :) |
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| 16:16.43 | friendofafriend | I've got this system on stretch, I'd like to install a package from buster. I need to add... buster-backports? Stretch-backports? I've read the wiki, and it's clear as mud. |
| 16:17.04 | greycat | stretch-backports, *if* the package exists there. What package is it? |
| 16:17.46 | friendofafriend | It's ffmpeg. |
| 16:17.51 | greycat | ,v ffmpeg |
| 16:17.53 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- stretch: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 7:3.2.14-1~deb9u1; buster: 7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7:4.1.4-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 7:4.2.1-2; sid: 7:4.2.1-2; stretch-multimedia: 10:3.3.9-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 10:4.1.4-dmo1+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 10:4.2.1-dmo7; sid-multimedia: 10:4.2.1-dmo7 |
| 16:18.13 | greycat | Bleh, no *-backports there, just those *-multimedia things. |
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| 16:18.42 | greycat | Be very careful with those. And be prepared to purge all the *-multimedia packages before your next full-upgrade. |
| 16:18.58 | friendofafriend | I don't understand, so if I'm on "A", and I want packages from "B", I'm using "A-backports" or "B-backports"? |
| 16:19.06 | greycat | !stretch-backports |
| 16:19.06 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 16:19.29 | jelly | eggbean: I suspect the answer is roughly "apt can be dumb," wrt that exim4-base upgrade |
| 16:19.50 | eggbean | jelly: I see |
| 16:19.58 | jelly | eggbean: if you have not applied that command already, you can see if aptitude does anything different |
| 16:19.59 | friendofafriend | OK, so I'm still not understanding. I'm on stretch. I want buster packages, this is "stretch-backports" or "buster-backports"? |
| 16:20.11 | jelly | friendofafriend: stretch-backports |
| 16:20.32 | friendofafriend | jelly: Awesome, thank you. Wish it was made that plain in the wiki. |
| 16:20.34 | greycat | (as I said twice now) |
| 16:20.39 | friendofafriend | (No.) |
| 16:20.45 | greycat | I guess it's better when jelly says it. |
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| 16:20.55 | friendofafriend | Maybe you wrote the wiki? |
| 16:20.59 | jelly | (you're grey, my text is probably a different color) |
| 16:21.05 | greycat | 11:17 greycat> stretch-backports |
| 16:21.09 | greycat | 11:19 greycat> !stretch-backports |
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| 16:21.28 | friendofafriend | Invoking a function isn't an answer. |
| 16:21.32 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:21.39 | annadane | *popcorn* |
| 16:21.54 | greycat | Tell /dev/null how my answer at x:17 was not an answer. |
| 16:21.54 | jelly | friendofafriend: it very often is, in here, when a frequently asked question is asked |
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| 16:22.46 | friendofafriend | greycat: And you can save your parenthesis for /dev/null, likewise. |
| 16:22.52 | greycat | The bot invocation was the REPEAT of the previous plaintext answer. |
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| 16:23.57 | friendofafriend | The "some" at the beginning of the bot statement is a weasel word. |
| 16:24.27 | whislock | friendofafriend: I'm sure that being a total ass is going to net you better results. Please, continue. |
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| 16:25.37 | friendofafriend | whislock: It *clearly* did, don't you agree? |
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| 16:27.00 | drspastic | hi, im looking for a samba guru to help me. just cant seem to get server running |
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| 16:27.23 | Haohmaru | i know a samba teacher |
| 16:27.30 | Haohmaru | also rumba and tango |
| 16:27.35 | drspastic | google? |
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| 16:27.49 | drspastic | lol |
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| 16:28.07 | greycat | if you're looking for tutorials, the #samba channel might be able to recommend some |
| 16:28.10 | eggbean | #samba |
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| 16:28.37 | pie3 | anyone has tried to make any search engine/crawler kind of things, can you share experience/flow chart? |
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| 16:28.48 | LynxGeekNYC | Hello people |
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| 16:40.36 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 16:40.37 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1+b1; stretch-security: 68.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 68.3.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid: 68.3.0esr-1 |
| 16:40.59 | NetTerminalGene | yay! |
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| 16:41.15 | NetTerminalGene | they released at last |
| 16:42.02 | dvs | cancels the release |
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| 16:42.53 | NetTerminalGene | guys, update doesn't have any rust related package |
| 16:42.57 | NetTerminalGene | ? |
| 16:43.13 | NetTerminalGene | isn't it because rust package stuff? |
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| 16:45.12 | imMute | so libi2c.so.0.1.1 from the libi2c0 package contains no symbols according to objdump. that doesn't seem correct to me... |
| 16:45.43 | greycat | nm -D |
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| 16:45.56 | LynxGeekNYC | so my boss finally gave me permission to get rid of windows and install debian |
| 16:46.08 | LynxGeekNYC | lol |
| 16:46.44 | imMute | greycat: shows the symbols I'm looking for with a "T" tag... |
| 16:47.33 | imMute | greycat: maybe our linker problems are something else then... |
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| 16:47.39 | imMute | but still, why doesn't objdump show them? |
| 16:48.39 | greycat | I don't really know what objdump does. Other than yell at me that I have to specify one of the options. |
| 16:49.24 | imMute | ah, well. I'll look at something else then. |
| 16:49.25 | greycat | objdump -T seems to print at least some of the symbols that appear in nm -D output |
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| 16:50.17 | imMute | I was looking at objdump -x and the SYMBOL TABLE section. |
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| 17:03.25 | NetTerminalGene | was debian stripped the related rust package for latest esr? |
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| 17:06.50 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: I don't understand what you're asking, can you rephrase? |
| 17:07.34 | Delta706 | I am having problems using a dvd drive. Is there a channel or list where there are serious experts on dvd drives? I have found nothing on alis |
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| 17:08.19 | jelly | Delta706: dunno, ##hardware ? |
| 17:08.26 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, latest firefox-esr was requiring rust-something package. but debian don't have that package. so, did they remove the related code from firefox? |
| 17:08.50 | NetTerminalGene | and it doesn't require rust-whatever package anymore? |
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| 17:08.53 | Delta706 | I tried ##hardware and they do not have any experts |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: I have no idea, does the package changelog show any changes in build process? |
| 17:09.18 | NetTerminalGene | dunno |
| 17:09.25 | jelly | !changelog.Debian |
| 17:09.32 | jelly | umm. |
| 17:09.43 | jelly | !changelog |
| 17:09.43 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. See also <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 17:10.16 | annadane | packages.debian.org firefox-esr changelog... not found. lovely |
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| 17:10.33 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: read that, so we don't have to read it instead of you, it usually contains significant changes from one package version to another |
| 17:11.15 | jelly | annadane: the web ui typically fails for changelogs of security builds. So does aptitude changelog foo |
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| 17:11.33 | jelly | apt-listchanges ftw |
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| 17:11.46 | greycat | so, for web sites like http://changelogs.debian.net/bar, how *does* one learn the correct source package name, from the binary package? |
| 17:12.02 | greycat | it's not in apt-cache show... |
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| 17:12.29 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: If you describe your problem here someone might have an answer or suggestion. |
| 17:12.54 | jelly | greycat: it's there only sometimes, eg. apt-cache show libc6 |
| 17:13.24 | jelly | *perhaps* the output only contains Source: when it's different from binary package name |
| 17:14.03 | greycat | well, http://changelogs.debian.net/glibc is also giving me the "No such package" error, so maybe that web page is just broken |
| 17:14.07 | Delta706 | the problem is that the dvd drive gets confused by the data on the dvd and refuses to reformat it. I am using the dvd+rw-format command |
| 17:14.09 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: from the little context they gave, I don't think they actually run Debian at all |
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| 17:15.04 | Delta706 | In addition, if I switch to a different dvd drive on another computer, I can format it and then proceed to use it on debian again |
| 17:15.04 | jelly | Delta706: are you using Debian? What kind of media is that? dvd+rw, dvd-rw, something else? |
| 17:15.36 | Delta706 | yes, I am using current debian and it is a dvd-rw |
| 17:15.54 | jelly | and which OS is running on the other machine? |
| 17:16.01 | Delta706 | debian 10.1 |
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| 17:16.25 | jelly | yeah no idea. |
| 17:16.41 | Delta706 | I have no idea jelly. It runs a program and I can select "format dvd" |
| 17:17.25 | Delta706 | So I know that the dvd is blankable but my dvd drive on my debian machine refuses to do it |
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| 17:20.44 | jelly | I honestly do not know if dvd+rw-format is support to be able to deal with dvd-rw media; I also do not know how broken ATA command filtering on Linux is right now, and whether you need to be root, and whether things work even when you are root. |
| 17:20.54 | jelly | s/support/supposed/ |
| 17:21.25 | diogenes_ | jelly, T9? |
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| 17:21.37 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: It is possible that the drive is not 100% dvd-rw compatible. |
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| 17:22.24 | Delta706 | jhutchins, I was thinking it might be a bug or limitation, but I am still left wondering how to confirm this |
| 17:22.25 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: Most recent models are compatible with all formats, but there have been many that were not cross-compatible. |
| 17:22.48 | jelly | Delta706: see if running the tool as root makes any difference |
| 17:23.03 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: If the feature works on one instance of debian, but not on another, it's a hardware issue. |
| 17:23.10 | Delta706 | I can write data to the drive, without problems, once the dvd-rw is formatted |
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| 17:24.07 | Delta706 | yeah, I do not know if it is a hardware problem or a software problem. I would want to speak to an expert, to get confirmation |
| 17:24.46 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: Might be something here: http://www.cdrfaq.org/ |
| 17:24.49 | Delta706 | it could be a bug in dvd+rw-format |
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| 17:25.13 | jelly | Delta706: did you try running dvd+rw-format as root? |
| 17:25.14 | Delta706 | I will check out that site |
| 17:25.22 | jhutchins_wk | Delta706: Have you searched for bugreports? |
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| 17:25.54 | Delta706 | I have done a google with the error message and found no solution. so I am here as a last resort |
| 17:26.18 | NetTerminalGene | firefox-esr urgency is medium o.0 |
| 17:26.21 | Delta706 | I will try running the command as root. I have not tried that yet |
| 17:27.21 | jelly | there were linux kernel bugs in the past silently limiting some ATA commands from normal users even when users would have full permission for the device |
| 17:27.50 | Delta706 | jelly, does that apply to the kernel on debian 10.1? |
| 17:28.00 | jelly | I do not know. |
| 17:28.22 | jelly | I've stopped using rewriteable media about a decade ago. Stuff was completely unreliable on linux. |
| 17:29.06 | Delta706 | jelly, do you use dvd-r? |
| 17:29.42 | jelly | probably dvd+r when I have to, whatever $work has at hand |
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| 17:30.15 | Delta706 | I could consider switching to dvd+rw for now |
| 17:30.22 | jelly | usb sticks over any cd or dvd media |
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| 17:31.29 | jelly | thankfully servers at work are bootable from .iso image remotely. No $#@% burning |
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| 17:32.59 | jelly | and if there's no other recourse, apparently there are mode switching usb sticks that you can write an .iso to as a file, make it switch, and then it pretends it's a usb-dvd with that .iso mounted inside |
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| 17:38.20 | Akuw | i am using a local repository |
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| 17:38.30 | Akuw | but when apt update i got E: Release file for http://192.168.66.2/debian-security/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1019d 5h 56min 31s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 17:43.14 | tabaqui1 | greycat, ksk: huh, that was easy. I just replace "ExecStart=service args" with "ExecStart=dbus-launch service args" and add dbus-x11 as a dependency to the deb package. Thanks, guys! |
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| 17:52.59 | jelly | Akuw: if that's a local debian-security mirror as it looks, is it up to date? Is the date on the machine correct? |
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| 17:53.16 | Akuw | wait |
| 17:53.50 | Akuw | ti. 10. des. 14:53:37 -0300 2019 |
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| 17:54.30 | tabaqui1 | well, not exactly, but like so |
| 17:55.10 | jelly | and the answer to the other question |
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| 17:56.14 | jhutchins_wk | ,v zoneminder |
| 17:56.15 | judd | Package: zoneminder on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.30.4+dfsg-2~bpo9+1; sid: 1.32.3-2; stretch-multimedia: 2:1.30.4-dmo1+deb9u2; buster-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo4+deb10u2; bullseye-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo8; sid-multimedia: 2:1.32.3-dmo8 |
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| 18:02.48 | Akuw | jelly: time is ok |
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| 18:04.04 | jelly | <jelly> Akuw: if that's a local debian-security mirror as it looks, is it up to date? |
| 18:04.25 | jelly | Akuw: ^ the answer to that question, you did not provide |
| 18:04.28 | Akuw | what do you mean with up to date |
| 18:04.56 | Akuw | jelly: what do you mean with up to date |
| 18:05.01 | jelly | jessie security repo has updates every now and then. |
| 18:05.22 | jelly | does your copy have the most recent updates. |
| 18:05.42 | jelly | !jessie-lts |
| 18:05.42 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 18:05.54 | jelly | !jessie/updates |
| 18:05.54 | dpkg | On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, the other repository that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirroris an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>). See also <sources.list> <jessie-lts>. |
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| 18:08.11 | jelly | Akuw: so, 1) is http://192.168.66.2/debian-security/dists/jessie/updates/ a copy of debian-security jessie/updates repo? 2) if it is, when was the last time you synced it up with security.debian.org? |
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| 18:08.38 | jelly | Akuw: if it's 3+ years old, then the behaviour you're seeing is probably normal |
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| 18:14.12 | Akuw | jelly: yes is very old |
| 18:14.46 | Akuw | is there a way to ignore, because this hosts are not connected to internet |
| 18:14.59 | jelly | not really, set the clock back. |
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| 18:15.31 | jelly | then run apt-get update, then set it back to correct value |
| 18:15.54 | jelly | you do not have to keep the clock wrong for apt-get install or whatever, just update |
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| 18:16.09 | greycat | why do people create problems for themselves, trying to do the most complicated things they can imagine? |
| 18:16.09 | jelly | (ask me how I know! :'() |
| 18:16.13 | Akuw | the other option is to make a copy of repo to that host_ |
| 18:16.31 | Akuw | ? |
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| 18:16.42 | jelly | Akuw: what are you REALLY trying to do with such an old repo? |
| 18:16.57 | jelly | Akuw: let's assume you get it working. What are you planning next? |
| 18:17.27 | jelly | !goal |
| 18:17.27 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 18:18.42 | Akuw | just install the package in that node |
| 18:18.44 | Akuw | just that |
| 18:18.48 | Akuw | are custom packages |
| 18:19.47 | jelly | Akuw: custom packages in a repo that is called jessie/updates? |
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| 18:20.47 | jelly | Akuw: are you 100% sure the packages that are custom are in your debian-security jessie/updates repo? |
| 18:20.54 | dka | why is /etc/ssl/certs/fakelerootx1.pem not picked up automatically by curl ? I am on debian 10 . |
| 18:21.02 | Akuw | wait |
| 18:21.05 | Akuw | i am checking |
| 18:21.22 | jelly | Akuw: because that particular repo REALLY sounds like an (old) copy of security.debian.org |
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| 18:21.42 | jelly | dka: picked up for what? |
| 18:21.54 | jelly | client cert? CA? |
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| 18:24.59 | jelly | dka: if you want to provide a custom CA for tools on the system, put the .pem in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/, rename it to end with .crt (might not be needed on Debian 10 any more), run "update-ca-certificates" and see that it tells you it added a new cert to the CA bundle. |
| 18:25.31 | Akuw | jessie: yes is very old, the reason, that computer are used to control some hardware not to connect to internet |
| 18:26.00 | jelly | Akuw: pastebin the output of "apt-get install your-custom-package" |
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| 18:26.23 | jelly | Akuw: and "apt-cache policy your-custom-package", and also, "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:30.10 | ws2k3 | does anyone know how to install mariabackup on debian 9? the docs from mariadb say it should be apt-get install mariadb-backup but then i get E: Unable to locate package mariadb-backup and i have the official mariadb repo installed on my system |
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| 18:30.44 | greycat | ,v mariadb-backup |
| 18:30.45 | judd | Package: mariadb-backup on amd64 -- buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.20-1; sid: 1:10.3.20-1 |
| 18:30.54 | greycat | buster and newer, apparently |
| 18:31.54 | ws2k3 | greycat hmm strech-backports maby? |
| 18:32.03 | dka | thanks jelly |
| 18:32.03 | jelly | no, judd would list it |
| 18:32.06 | greycat | if it were in stretch-backports, judd would have said so |
| 18:32.21 | jelly | dka: you still did not say what you really needed, I'm just guessing |
| 18:32.30 | ws2k3 | i see hmm maby its available from the mariadb repo's? |
| 18:32.57 | ws2k3 | it seems to be included in mariadb-server 10.1 but not 10.2 |
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| 18:33.14 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I would expect so, but you'd have to ask a mariadb resource. |
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| 18:33.26 | dka | jelly, that was exactly what I wanted to know |
| 18:33.32 | dka | if any manual step was needed. |
| 18:33.54 | dka | I presume that for removing it, running rm and update-ca-certificates will do the trick |
| 18:33.59 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: I am guessing that it was part of the main package pripr to 10.2 |
| 18:34.01 | jelly | yes |
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| 18:35.23 | jelly | ,file bin/mariabackup --release stretch |
| 18:35.28 | judd | Search for bin/mariabackup in stretch/amd64: mariadb-client-10.1: usr/bin/mariabackup |
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| 18:35.41 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Older mysql prior to the fork did not have a backup program, it used mysqldump. |
| 18:36.28 | jelly | presumably installing mariadb-client-10.1 will do the trick for Debian 9, ws2k3 |
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| 18:55.03 | _DeLa_ | I am suffering from the following bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908760 As far as I understand, it is "solved" but it has not officially been fixed (Quote from bug report: "There have however not been any upstream release since the fix which is a shame, I think this need to be locally addressed for the next stable release.")?! Is it safe to just install the .deb file which the last user on the bug report |
| 18:55.04 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908760 in xdg-utils (open, upstream, fixed-upstream, patch): «xdg-utils: xdg-open doesn't work in LXDE on URLs»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-13; last modified: 2019-09-13. |
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| 19:04.16 | jelly | _DeLa_: it would be safe to rebuild the binary using their diff. |
| 19:04.24 | jelly | _DeLa_: after you've read the diff. |
| 19:04.35 | jelly | and made sure it wasn't maliciour |
| 19:04.44 | jelly | can't English today |
| 19:04.59 | whislock | It's okay, it's French. |
| 19:05.16 | _DeLa_ | jelly: Thanks for your feedback! How long until this bug will be officially fixed? Any guesses? |
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| 19:05.58 | jelly | _DeLa_: I have no idea how active maintainers for that package are, sorry. |
| 19:06.17 | jelly | you could edit /usr/bin/xdg-open on your system right now, as a workaround |
| 19:07.14 | _DeLa_ | jelly: will do that later, thanks! |
| 19:07.19 | jelly | it's a shell script. You can fix the bug in-place. But any package upgrades will overwrite your fix. |
| 19:08.03 | _DeLa_ | jelly: I assume the next upgrade will officially fix it anyway *fingers crossed* |
| 19:08.47 | jelly | noncritical bugs often don't get fixed in a stable release at all |
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| 19:09.53 | _DeLa_ | jelly: well....Severity: important... |
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| 19:11.59 | jelly | yep, important is not a release-critical severity |
| 19:12.18 | _DeLa_ | ok |
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| 19:27.08 | Akuw | can i update repository list not using dpkg-scanpackages? |
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| 19:28.32 | jhutchins_wk | I don't see the difference between the two lines. |
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| 19:31.40 | jelly | Akuw: if you're asking "how do I prepare a custom repo", there are many tools |
| 19:31.49 | jelly | !custom repo |
| 19:31.51 | maxzor | Hello, trying to compile a minimal kernel : is there a modeprobed-db deb package? |
| 19:31.57 | jelly | !own repo |
| 19:31.57 | dpkg | To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 19:32.34 | Akuw | jelly: i have a custom repo and i want to use locally |
| 19:32.41 | jelly | maxzor: modprobe what? |
| 19:32.48 | Akuw | #deb file:/usr/local-repo/ ./ |
| 19:32.53 | Akuw | like that |
| 19:33.12 | maxzor | jelly https://github.com/graysky2/modprobed-db , a tool to record the modules loaded over time. AUR package AFAIK |
| 19:33.14 | jelly | Akuw: and you don't want a simple, stupid dpkg-scanpackages because...? |
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| 19:33.38 | Akuw | because that computer is not connected to internet |
| 19:33.44 | maxzor | to feed into 'make localmodconfig' |
| 19:33.46 | jelly | Akuw: so what? |
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| 19:33.57 | jelly | dpkg-scanpackages works on local files. |
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| 19:34.16 | jelly | ,v modprobed-db |
| 19:34.17 | judd | No package named 'modprobed-db' was found in amd64. |
| 19:34.26 | jelly | ,wnpp modprobed-db |
| 19:34.27 | judd | Sorry, no wnpp bugs were found. |
| 19:34.27 | Akuw | yes but dpkg-scanpackages is not installed |
| 19:34.53 | jelly | Akuw: install it, it's in dpkg-dev package. |
| 19:35.18 | jelly | judd: file bin/dpkg-scanpackages --release jessie |
| 19:35.23 | judd | Search for bin/dpkg-scanpackages in jessie/amd64: dpkg-dev: usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages |
| 19:37.20 | Akuw | jelly: but is the only way? because it is not installed and i cant install any package |
| 19:37.54 | maxzor | jelly, nvm ty, not like it is hard to compile |
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| 19:39.20 | jelly | Akuw: I think I already gave you one workaround for "can't install packages". put the clock back, run apt-get update, put the clock right again |
| 19:39.55 | Akuw | jelly: i just copied all debs to my pc |
| 19:40.06 | Akuw | now i will get Packages.gz from the computer |
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| 19:46.59 | Cali | I know this may be a dumb question, but what version of Debian am I on; meaning: Jessie, Buster etc... Linux kali 5.2.0-kali2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.9-2kali1 (2019-08-22) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:47.08 | greycat | None. Kali is not Debian. |
| 19:47.27 | Cali | But I am on a Debian based distro, correct? |
| 19:47.30 | greycat | yes |
| 19:47.49 | annadane | consider not using kali as a daily desktop, it's not really meant for that |
| 19:47.59 | Cali | I am trying to install Virtualbox, but I don't see any options for a Kali Linux install |
| 19:48.07 | Cali | I use it for pentesting |
| 19:48.12 | greycat | !kali |
| 19:48.12 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:48.39 | annadane | fair enough, but i mean, if you don't know the difference between debian-based and debian, and think debian codenames apply to kali... |
| 19:48.48 | annadane | a certain degree of literacy is required for pentesting |
| 19:49.09 | Cali | Correct I am taking courses as we speack |
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| 19:49.48 | cowpacity | not sure on virtualbox, but on vmware, those options only determine the hardware profile for your virtual machine, so in effect, any option you choose there should work for you |
| 19:49.49 | jhutchins_wk | Cali: Virtualbox on Linux has some non-free components and may not be available from kali's repos. |
| 19:50.32 | somiaj | not exactly, Virtualbox requires non-free components to do a full build from source (naimly the bios cannot be built with free tools). |
| 19:50.37 | Cali | Thanks cowpacity and jhutchins |
| 19:51.12 | somiaj | virtualbox itself is completely open and free (meets DSFG) execpt for that build requriement. Reason virtualbox is not in debian is due to oracal's policy on supporting older releases for security patches. |
| 19:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, yes, I remember that detail now. |
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| 19:54.54 | arwn | Hey i'm on debian 8 and I want to serve nfs4 but only 3 and 2 are being served currently. how to fix? rpcinfo says vers2/3 and mounting v4 doesn't work. |
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| 19:55.51 | Cali | It supports Debian based distros |
| 19:55.54 | Cali | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5360/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
| 19:56.45 | Cali | (y) |
| 19:56.47 | somiaj | Cali: we don't really support kali here, you can try that, but kali probably isn't a good host enviorment for virtualbox. |
| 19:57.03 | somiaj | arwn: any reason you can't just upgrade to debian 9 or 10 for a newer nfs? |
| 19:57.28 | arwn | I don't want to break anything, is that the easiest way to go about this? |
| 19:58.03 | somiaj | hmm, guess nfs4 is older than I thought, have you checked the docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename to see if it mentions if/how to enable nfs4 |
| 19:58.12 | Cali | I'm only spinning up a VB for exploitation development, so anything would probably due |
| 19:58.43 | jelly | arwn: we don't know whether doing an in-place release upgrade will break anything in your enviroment. Make a clone and test it out in an isolated network. |
| 19:58.49 | arwn | I have, It says nothing about v3 vs v4 |
| 19:59.09 | somiaj | ,v nfs-utils |
| 19:59.10 | judd | No package named 'nfs-utils' was found in amd64. |
| 19:59.27 | greycat | ,v nfs-common |
| 19:59.28 | judd | Package: nfs-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.2.8-9; jessie-security: 1:1.2.8-9+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.3.4-2.1; buster: 1:1.3.4-2.5; bullseye: 1:1.3.4-2.5+b1; sid: 1:1.3.4-2.5+b1 |
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| 20:01.12 | jelly | arwn: maybe start with /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
| 20:01.16 | somiaj | hmm, I think that should support nfs4 (from what I'm seeing) but don't know nfs well enough. Do you have the nfsv4 module loaded in your kernel? |
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| 20:02.27 | arwn | somiaj, i have nfs modules loaded but no nfsv4 module I don't think. |
| 20:02.38 | jelly | somiaj: changelog for that package says > Add support for NFSv4. in January 2005. |
| 20:02.49 | somiaj | anyways, I would follow jelly's advice and start with the README about nfsv4 |
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| 20:04.20 | jelly | I, also, have no clue about how nfs v4 works except that's it's a tiny bit more involved than v3 |
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| 20:04.58 | arwn | the readme doesn't exist though. i have no idea what I need to install to get v4 |
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| 20:05.41 | greycat | root@meglin2:/usr/share/doc/nfs-common# ls |
| 20:05.41 | greycat | changelog.Debian.gz copyright README.Debian.nfsv4 |
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| 20:05.52 | greycat | ^^ Jessie. |
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| 20:06.11 | greycat | tell me again, how this readme doesn't exist |
| 20:06.31 | FunkyBob | does anyone happen to know if there's a way to tune the ... inertia? of the pstate governor? I'm finding on "powersave" it almost never raises t he CPU clock, and on "performance" it barely reduces it |
| 20:06.40 | arwn | greycat oh i'm dumb sorry. |
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| 20:07.33 | livebrain | FunkyBob: theres the "ondemand" |
| 20:07.58 | FunkyBob | livebrain: not with intel_pstate, it seems |
| 20:08.37 | jelly | judd: file README.Debian.nfsv4 --release jessie |
| 20:08.41 | judd | Search for README.Debian.nfsv4 in jessie/amd64: nfs-common: usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
| 20:08.48 | jelly | arwn: make sure that package is installed ^ |
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| 20:09.14 | FunkyBob | if I don't use the cpupower tool to toggle at times, the system will become unresponsive at high load, but stay at <700MHz instead of ramping up the clock |
| 20:09.29 | FunkyBob | if I set it to performance, it goes to 3.5GHz... and _sometimes_ reduces that to 3.2 |
| 20:09.32 | jelly | arwn: if it's installed, make sure you did not intentionally set up apt to delete documentation for some unfathomable reason |
| 20:10.51 | FunkyBob | livebrain: oh, I think I misunderstood... that's an alternative driver to pstate? |
| 20:10.53 | arwn | yeah I found it, I just mistyped the path |
| 20:11.09 | jelly | arwn: but in my experience it is not possible to have kernel nfs server serving nfs v3 without that package being installed, on Debian |
| 20:11.24 | FunkyBob | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt this suggests it's one of the governor state, but that's not supported by this drdiver :/ |
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| 20:15.43 | jelly | FunkyBob: how do you tell which driver is used? |
| 20:16.54 | FunkyBob | jelly: in my case, dmesg : https://dpaste.org/5Brn |
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| 20:19.23 | FunkyBob | jelly: also sysfs lists "intel_pstate" in the cpufreq/police#/scaling_driver |
| 20:20.56 | FunkyBob | reading sysfs, it seems to disacree wit hthe cpupower tools and docs... |
| 20:21.01 | FunkyBob | energy_performance_available_preferences: default performance balance_performance balance_power power |
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| 20:22.38 | FunkyBob | ah... the magic may be this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.12/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html#energy-vs-performance-hints |
| 20:22.41 | tom_work | FunkyBob, sometimes the on_demand governor saves more power in actual non-synthetic testing |
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| 20:23.37 | jelly | and sometimes "frequency" isn't the most important factor in saving watts |
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| 20:24.14 | tom_work | FunkyBob, I'd recommend leaving on_demand on, because in real-world testing it's often more power efficient to ramp up the cpu clock in order to process something intensive quickly and drop back down to an idle state than to keep the cpu clock constantly low and the usage pegged, keeping the cpu from reaching an idle state for longer |
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| 20:24.51 | FunkyBob | tom_work: yes, but that's not the behavior I'm seeing |
| 20:25.05 | tom_work | second thing I'd look at for saving power is powering off hardwire transceivers like ethernet as they seem to be one of the biggest power consumers |
| 20:25.17 | tom_work | especially older intel gbe chipsets |
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| 20:25.28 | FunkyBob | tom_work: firstly, ondemand is not an option with the pstate driver |
| 20:25.35 | FunkyBob | and I'm not looking for power saving |
| 20:25.40 | tom_work | I've seen idle gbes consume up to 7 watts |
| 20:25.47 | FunkyBob | I'm looking for the machine to actually clock _up_ when under load |
| 20:25.51 | FunkyBob | which it is NOT doing |
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| 20:27.22 | jelly | FunkyBob: it might be under thermal clamping, if your load is single thread one core might do the turbo thing, if it's more threads it might keep the lower freq but across all the cores |
| 20:27.28 | tom_work | my bad then, I was missing the context |
| 20:27.58 | jelly | there... were some intel-specific userspace tools to be able to look at what's happening |
| 20:28.03 | FunkyBob | tom_work: that's ok, I appreciate the effort to help |
| 20:28.07 | tom_work | are you talking about Intel Turbo 3.0? |
| 20:28.13 | FunkyBob | tom_work: no |
| 20:28.18 | FunkyBob | oh, was that to jelly ? |
| 20:28.53 | tom_work | There's kernel feature in linux 4.19 and newer to use turbo 3.0 better to put single-threaded processes on the fastest core |
| 20:28.56 | FunkyBob | jelly: yesterday I watched all CPU cores sitting over 96% utilisation, but the cores were still down at ~660MHz |
| 20:29.16 | FunkyBob | jelly: when I switch to performance, it is drastiically different.. but, yes, the fan spins up... |
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| 20:29.32 | jelly | perhaps it's meant to do that :-) |
| 20:29.38 | FunkyBob | tom_work: nice... something to handle Zoom then :P |
| 20:29.51 | FunkyBob | jelly: which ? not use the available CPU power no matter what? |
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| 20:29.57 | jelly | yes |
| 20:30.02 | tom_work | some cores are just slightly faster out of the factory |
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| 20:30.16 | FunkyBob | jelly: that's... absurd |
| 20:30.23 | tom_work | smelly jelly |
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| 20:31.59 | jelly | FunkyBob: is this a laptop or a workstation? |
| 20:32.01 | FunkyBob | looks like the knob I found is working |
| 20:32.04 | FunkyBob | jelly: laptop |
| 20:32.47 | jelly | there's "powertop" in debian but that wasn't the tool I was thinking of |
| 20:33.07 | jelly | there was something specifically for intel cpu+gpu |
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| 20:34.23 | jelly | FunkyBob: maybe it was powertop. What does "frequency stats" show in it when you put on the same load? |
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| 20:34.28 | FunkyBob | the pstate driver offers some extra knobs: |
| 20:34.29 | FunkyBob | energy_performance_available_preferences: default performance balance_performance balance_power power |
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| 20:34.38 | FunkyBob | I set it to balance_performance ... it now appears to be behaving as I want |
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| 20:35.34 | tom_work_ | FunkyBob, is the pstate driver something more than simply enabling the cpu governor subsystem to modify intel MSRs? |
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| 20:36.05 | FunkyBob | tom_work_: yes |
| 20:36.14 | tom_work_ | oh |
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| 20:36.25 | tom_work_ | learn something new every day |
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| 20:39.00 | FunkyBob | now to cobble some unit file so this gest set every boot |
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| 20:39.52 | jelly | debian has sysfsutils but it's really just a silly shell script |
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| 20:40.13 | FunkyBob | that's enough |
| 20:40.38 | jelly | lol, I look at my /etc/sysfs.conf and find |
| 20:40.41 | jelly | # 2019-06-21 ondemand gone in 5.0 or before? |
| 20:40.41 | jelly | #devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand |
| 20:42.30 | jelly | intel_pstate seems to be active but I do not have your energy_performance_available_preferences anywhere under /sys, this is a default buster 4.19 kernel |
| 20:42.43 | jelly | and a haswell desktop cpu |
| 20:43.14 | FunkyBob | 5.3.0-2-amd64 |
| 20:43.23 | FunkyBob | debian testing |
| 20:43.33 | greycat | because people keep coming here running testing :( |
| 20:44.04 | jelly | perhaps things are indeed better with a kernel from testing |
| 20:44.11 | greycat | "I'm running testing" "So you know what you're doing, then" "No!" |
| 20:44.19 | jelly | I'll wait for 5.4 to appear in buster-backports |
| 20:44.37 | FunkyBob | greycat: well, in the end I found my own solution... so, perhaps I do. |
| 20:44.52 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 20:44.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-3); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 20:44.54 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
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| 20:45.06 | jelly | ooh, there's a 5.4 |
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| 20:45.16 | FunkyBob | aye, ther eis |
| 20:45.19 | greycat | experimental doesn't count |
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| 20:48.19 | jelly | that's one piece of SNS I indulge in |
| 20:48.53 | FunkyBob | greycat: odd position you take... "you should know what you're doing... but research and investigation are not a valid way to get there." |
| 20:49.03 | FunkyBob | research and experimentaiton, I meant |
| 20:49.05 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 20:49.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:49.15 | jelly | FunkyBob: we're all for research and stuff, but we also have a separate channel |
| 20:49.25 | greycat | If you're asking questions HERE, in this channel, people are naturally going to assume you run stable. |
| 20:49.27 | FunkyBob | jelly: oh? |
| 20:49.32 | FunkyBob | greycat: that's fair |
| 20:49.46 | FunkyBob | this is, afaik, a problem that was not new... it just seems the solution is new |
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| 20:51.23 | jelly | blah! new amd64 kernels require amd64 apparmor packages. What is this world coming to, not being able to install experimental 64bit kernels on a stable 32bit installation |
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| 20:52.34 | jelly | ah, okay, it's merely Recommended |
| 20:53.32 | FunkyBob | so which is the channel for testing? |
| 20:53.44 | greycat | you could read what the bot said |
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| 20:54.28 | jelly | different irc network etc |
| 20:55.05 | FunkyBob | ah, missed that.. was on another screen |
| 20:55.34 | jelly | I think maybe every fifth user reads that |
| 20:55.47 | FunkyBob | ok, cheers all... I got a solution, learned some stuff, and [apparently] helped jelly learn something too :) |
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| 21:23.13 | GenTooMan | experimental 64bit kernel on a 32bit machine sounds potentially disastrous. |
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| 21:24.15 | greycat | !flw |
| 21:24.15 | dpkg | <pipeline> project2501a: upgrades nearly always go well |
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| 21:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | GenTooMan: Well, the AMD chips are supposed to be 32b compatible, so I would expect the kernel to do the same. |
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| 21:29.35 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: intel chips, too |
| 21:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | I was thinking the AMD instruction set they both use. |
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| 21:35.28 | jhutchins_wk | People used to run 32b userspace on 64b kernels before 64b userspace was fully built out. |
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| 21:58.58 | paolobenve | hi guys! why has pound been removed from debian buster? |
| 21:59.30 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pound |
| 21:59.55 | otyugh | hey. Got some problem on PCs where suspend is impossible to got out from other than using the power button. On debian buster - but works perfectly on Ubuntu 18.04. So my guess is it's a kernel version problem. Is there a "buster-backport" for older kernels ? :o |
| 22:01.39 | jelly | otyugh: no, but in general you can install and use a kernel from release-1 |
| 22:02.13 | otyugh | release-1 ? First time I hear of that. |
| 22:02.43 | greycat | hands jelly a beer and a punching bag |
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| 22:04.16 | jelly | otyugh: release previous from the one you're using. |
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| 22:05.30 | jelly | so, stretch |
| 22:05.32 | otyugh | You mean, from stretch ? I'm not sure I follow at all. I never meddled with theses things before. |
| 22:05.34 | otyugh | okay |
| 22:05.37 | otyugh | oookay |
| 22:07.08 | jelly | reenabling repos for an older release isn't as problematic as adding repos for a newer release. In most situations you won't be able to accidentally a package from stretch when you already have versions from buster installed. |
| 22:07.34 | greycat | You know how, after a dist-upgrade, you still have your previous release's kernel installed? Well, you can INSTALL a previous release's kernel to get to that same configuration from a different direction. Equally valid. |
| 22:07.48 | jelly | except for some packages like web browsers which have almost the same version in stable and oldstable and oldoldstable |
| 22:08.10 | jelly | and amusingly sometimes old*stable get security fixes faster than stable |
| 22:08.56 | metbsd | is there a way to convert ntfs to linux file system |
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| 22:09.06 | otyugh | I never was aware of the fact you could use an older kernel safely. Good to know x) |
| 22:09.21 | somiaj | metbsd: depends on what you mean by convert, why not just copy them? |
| 22:09.28 | metbsd | is there a way to convert ntfs to linux file system with files intact |
| 22:09.44 | jelly | metbsd: backup, reformat, restore |
| 22:10.05 | metbsd | 2t data is too much for me |
| 22:10.18 | jelly | there's no inplace migration from ntfs to any linux native fs that I know of, sorry |
| 22:10.26 | metbsd | ok |
| 22:10.32 | metbsd | thanks |
| 22:10.43 | jelly | and if you don't have a backup already maybe you don't think this data is important enough? |
| 22:10.47 | jelly | hides |
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| 22:12.08 | metbsd | quite important, movies and my fav porn |
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| 22:12.38 | otyugh | So you should get a backup. No storage device is failsafe. |
| 22:13.06 | jelly | torrent it all, and hope someone seeds it back later |
| 22:13.24 | FuzzyByte | Not a bad idea actually. |
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| 22:29.49 | jiggawattz | hola |
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| 22:46.17 | raidghost | to run a torrent in a vm vs running the torrent on the vm host. Why is there so big difference in download speed? |
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| 22:49.37 | nvz | that is a seriously complex question beyond the scope of this channel and without any meaningful information |
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| 22:52.03 | raidghost | nvz: some thoughts about my question? or just trying to be frank? |
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| 22:53.04 | nvz | my thoughts would be that depends not only on the host, its networking config, but what VM and which networking configuration that has.. etc |
| 22:55.23 | raidghost | libvirt on debian, running a vm as ubuntu, where the vm host has a bridge setup. |
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| 22:57.16 | nvz | idk, I use virtualbox for my limited use of VM and I get on a basic speed test 5x faster speeds on the host than in the VM |
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| 22:59.46 | nvz | and bridged seems to be worse than NAT |
| 23:00.43 | raidghost | Maybe i should try dedicate another network card for that vm |
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| 23:20.03 | Guestxao | high brew |
| 23:23.36 | Guestxao | lets do something like this, include/enable/exclude/disable a hash value service/program/binary to an access list/ipc systemd-resolved/defaultRoute or some network transmiting |
| 23:23.59 | Guestxao | lets do something like this, include/enable/exclude/disable a hash value service/program/binary to an access list/ipc systemd-resolved/defaultRoute or some network transmiting |
| 23:24.36 | Guestxao | netdev also important |
| 23:26.39 | themill | Guestxao: it would be great if you could refrain from repeating things, being quite so annoying and being moderately incoherent. |
| 23:27.12 | Guestxao | guestxao: ok |
| 23:27.26 | Guestxao | themil: ok |
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| 23:39.55 | Guestxao | bandwidth also good idea |
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| 23:43.21 | rander2 | ll |
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