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| 00:52.16 | metbsd | someone should update openvpn wiki. it's outdated |
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| 00:54.38 | whislock | In what way(s)? |
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| 00:58.45 | annadane | metbsd, anyone can make an account for the wiki |
| 00:58.48 | annadane | feel free |
| 00:59.14 | TimBandTech | is it really totally free? |
| 01:00.01 | annadane | debian? yes |
| 01:00.07 | annadane | free as in freedom and free as in beer |
| 01:00.13 | annadane | !dfsg |
| 01:00.13 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 01:00.34 | annadane | with non-free software optional to add |
| 01:00.48 | TimBandTech | no the openVPN. It's amazing as well the wonderful free world of Debian. Capitalism must be scratching it's balls |
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| 01:04.54 | whislock | ಠ_ಠ|
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| 01:08.40 | tom_work | How can systemd be free software if it's so complex nobody can realistically maintain it without being IBM |
| 01:09.03 | whislock | You mean other than the people currently developing it and maintaining it, you mean. |
| 01:09.16 | TimBandTech | I recently did a fresh install of 10.2 with the LXDE window manager, which uses wicd for its network manager, which fails to recognize wifi. Getting gnome network manager is the only fix I found. |
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| 01:13.02 | whislock | tom_work: Everyone working on the systemd project is doing a fine job maintaining said free software project, and most of them aren't from IBM/RH., |
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| 01:14.52 | tom_work | sends malformed mdns query to systemd machine |
| 01:15.22 | tom_work | puts /usr and /var on separate partitions |
| 01:15.49 | whislock | Malformed how? And you can split /usr and /var. o.O |
| 01:16.02 | tom_work | (multicast domain name service) |
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| 01:16.13 | whislock | I know what mdns is. I said malformed HOW, not malformed WHAT. |
| 01:18.32 | tom_work | CVE-2017-9445 |
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| 01:20.12 | whislock | ... okay? |
| 01:21.10 | whislock | And? |
| 01:22.21 | tom_work | https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg |
| 01:22.42 | whislock | Okay, and? |
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| 01:24.26 | tom_work | It's just going to get going up |
| 01:24.45 | tom_work | getting bigger and bigger with more and more bugs |
| 01:25.01 | whislock | Tom, meet the Linux kernel. |
| 01:25.10 | whislock | Or, for that matter, literally ANY ongoing software project. |
| 01:25.13 | whislock | Any project. Ever. |
| 01:25.25 | themill | except the dead projects that noone uses |
| 01:25.35 | tom_work | The linux kernel doesn't break userspace, and you can disable most of what you don't need in .config |
| 01:26.07 | whislock | Pretty sure the kernel breaking breaks userspace. |
| 01:26.11 | tom_work | the same can not be said for systemd |
| 01:26.31 | themill | Can I just point out that there is not a single new thing that you have said here and that you're not going to magically convince people otherwise? |
| 01:27.05 | whislock | tom_work: The same can, actually, be said for systemd. I'm sorry that isn't very convenient for you, but alas. |
| 01:27.07 | tom_work | not only is it a slap in the face for POSIX portability but more and more unneeded functions become mandatory and you can't just turn them off or not use them in systemd |
| 01:27.14 | whislock | Sure you can. |
| 01:27.30 | tom_work | then do it |
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| 01:27.59 | whislock | Uh, okay? Imagine you hear the short sounds of typing while I disable some systemd facilities that I'm not using. |
| 01:28.02 | whislock | What do you want? |
| 01:28.08 | whislock | A postcard? |
| 01:28.28 | annadane | systemd-postcard.service |
| 01:28.34 | tom_work | how about a fair GR with an option 'to hell with systemd' not just options more or less all for systemd |
| 01:28.37 | whislock | Look, tom, I get it. You don't like systemd. And I get that facts are getting in the way of your religious ranting. Trust me, I understand, and I feel badly for you. Kind of. |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | This is a support channel, we can't fix the design of systemd |
| 01:28.54 | whislock | Well, not really. I tried to be nice, it just wore thin like... instantly. |
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| 01:29.25 | whislock | tom_work: systemd is here, it's better than what came before, and a lot of people - myself included - like what it does, how it does it, and the new things that it enables. |
| 01:29.47 | tom_work | then try using OpenRC |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | tom_work: do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:29.59 | whislock | tom_work: I'm an objective person. You had a REAL opportunity to show me on a technical level that something was seriously amiss. Instead, you threw a two-year-old CVE at me that was fixed in under a month, and a bar graph. |
| 01:29.59 | themill | tom_work: no-one is stopping you from doing so. |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | whislock: feel free to step away if you're irritated |
| 01:30.23 | whislock | tom_work: I used to be one of the powerPC maintainers for Gentoo. You're chasing the wrong guy about openRC. ;) |
| 01:30.27 | tom_work | It provides many of the facilities that are actually useful from systemd without breaking everything else on the system and having a clean concise source code |
| 01:31.09 | whislock | tom_work: My systems use systemd. None of them are broken, and as a programmer, I have little issue with systemd's code. At least it's not the kernel... |
| 01:31.13 | whislock | Don't tell Linus I said that. |
| 01:31.31 | tom_work | whislock, yes as a programmer |
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| 01:31.49 | whislock | And who else is going to go digging through systemd's code? A botanist? |
| 01:31.51 | tom_work | you don't have any system or netadmin perspective |
| 01:31.51 | themill | tom_work: let's move on, thanks. |
| 01:32.30 | whislock | tom_work: You're assuming a lot. I'm a hobbyist programmer. I spent years as a systems, network, and security engineer, and now work in the architecture space. |
| 01:32.53 | whislock | tom_work: So please... Stop. You're doing yourself no favors. |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | whislock: please let it go, you're not helping |
| 01:34.28 | mason | tom_work: By the gods, I was on the fence, but you've convinced me. Thank you. =grin= |
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| 01:48.28 | Muflone | somiaj: the maintainer just confirmed he has got the latest available commit in the git repository. end of the story |
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| 02:04.01 | ratrace | whislock: "And who else is going to go digging through systemd's code? A botanist?" how 'bout..... an anestestician ;) |
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| 02:38.07 | New_User | Hi I just installed Debian 10.2.0 and i'm trying to install the intel wifi 8260 driver Can anyone help please? |
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| 02:51.27 | Tom-_ | dpkg, intel |
| 02:51.27 | dpkg | Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <iwlwifi>, <ipw2200>, <ipw2100>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>. |
| 02:51.37 | Tom-_ | maybe check wiki.debian.org too |
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| 02:54.07 | New_User | Hi Tom thanks for your answer I pasted the output in #flood the error is: cp: cannot stat 'iwlwifi-8000-ucode*': No such file or directory |
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| 03:00.36 | Tom-_ | !firmware |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 03:00.58 | Tom-_ | try installing one of the firmware packages, possibly a non-free one |
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| 04:59.56 | rajivmars | hi guys. why debian is not boot after installation |
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| 05:00.17 | rajivmars | i m using a laptop which has amd processor |
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| 05:01.36 | gry | what does it do? |
| 05:01.57 | rajivmars | its not boot after installation |
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| 05:02.10 | gry | how? |
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| 05:02.18 | gry | does it show a blank screen or an error? |
| 05:02.59 | rajivmars | yeah. its like an error something like radeon |
| 05:03.24 | gry | can you type that error here in the chat please |
| 05:06.01 | rajivmars | wait. i will give you |
| 05:06.08 | rajivmars | just a minute or two |
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| 05:07.15 | gry | ok |
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| 05:10.41 | rajivmars | gry, i m sorry actually i have to install debian again to see that error. but i remember that it says 'failed to load radeon driver |
| 05:11.04 | gry | yes you need to start that install if you want to finish it |
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| 05:11.39 | rajivmars | exactly not that but it definitely syas failed to load radeon driver |
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| 05:12.39 | rajivmars | but its not boot after install. that's why |
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| 05:15.38 | rajivmars | gry. then i will come here when i complete the installation. about an hour. |
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| 05:17.25 | gry | come here when it is not booting |
| 05:17.50 | rajivmars | but its not boot |
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| 05:18.09 | rajivmars | it failed to boot after installation |
| 05:19.48 | rajivmars | gry, ok i will |
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| 05:21.03 | karlpinc | rajivmars: FYI. It is helpful to install from the unoffical debian installer which includes non-free firmware. Don't know if this helps your current problem. |
| 05:21.11 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 05:21.11 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 05:22.23 | rajivmars | karlpink, is it safe to download and use unofficial images of debian? |
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| 05:29.11 | rajivmars | karlpink? |
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| 05:32.13 | Lula_D | lets see how do i remove this xfce launcher plank |
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| 05:32.30 | gry | right click it, or alt+right click |
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| 05:46.10 | Lula_D | what about the firefox window bar |
| 05:47.40 | Lula_D | ok nm got wm tweaks hide |
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| 05:57.50 | nyov | Are there alternatives to openstack, proxmox, opennebula, openqrm, that integrate well with debian? |
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| 06:16.11 | nyov | Hmm, debian was using Ganeti, right? |
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| 06:45.58 | pragomer | hi. I am looking for a solution to bind keyboard shortcuts to programs that will work on all desktop environments, like super+e is filemanager, super+f is firefox, etc... would something like "sxhkd" be the best tool for something like this? |
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| 06:51.15 | jm_ | looks like a generic tool that can be used everywhere, of course it's bound to happen that it will interfere with some DE-a |
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| 06:56.34 | vlt | Good morning! |
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| 06:58.13 | vlt | jm_: live-build seems to work great (after setting a different deb source and distro than default). Now I have to find out how to include things like LUKS encryption for certain config files. |
| 06:58.19 | vlt | jm_: Thanks for your help! |
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| 07:01.58 | rajivmars | gry? |
| 07:02.36 | rajivmars | karlpinc |
| 07:02.53 | jm_ | vlt: does this not work https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#581 ? |
| 07:03.24 | rajivmars | i m unable to boot debian 10 after installing it. anybody help please |
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| 07:04.01 | jm_ | rajivmars: perhaps start by providing more details, i.e. where did you choose to install GRUB to, what happens etc. |
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| 07:04.14 | rajivmars | jm_, ok |
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| 07:05.56 | rajivmars | is there a way to upload photo. because i had click a pic of those error messages that is shown during booting. |
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| 07:06.07 | rajivmars | like ubuntu paste. |
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| 07:06.41 | rajivmars | jm_? |
| 07:07.14 | jm_ | !picpaste |
| 07:07.17 | jm_ | !paste |
| 07:07.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:07.44 | jm_ | rajivmars: see above |
| 07:08.10 | rajivmars | jm_, https://file.io/hcLdJL |
| 07:09.34 | jm_ | rajivmars: I get 404 for that URL |
| 07:09.46 | rajivmars | what. wait |
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| 07:11.08 | rajivmars | jm_ https://imgur.com/a/8DzqnZS |
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| 07:12.49 | rajivmars | jm_ have you got it? |
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| 07:14.33 | jm_ | rajivmars: looks like you need to install firmware packages |
| 07:14.58 | rajivmars | but how can i do that if debian is not boot? |
| 07:14.59 | vlt | jm_: I'll have to try. I don't want persistence. Just a read-only mounted section (or even /) for config files. |
| 07:15.33 | jm_ | do you still have debian installer medium? |
| 07:15.42 | rajivmars | yeah |
| 07:16.18 | jm_ | wait, have you tried just switching tty when debian boots? ctrl-alt-f1 f2 etc.? |
| 07:16.33 | rajivmars | nope. not yet |
| 07:17.03 | rajivmars | do you want me try this now? |
| 07:17.18 | jm_ | you'll want to install firmware-amd-graphics and possibly firmware-realtek for your wifi |
| 07:17.23 | jm_ | that's up to you |
| 07:17.30 | rajivmars | but how |
| 07:17.56 | jm_ | like I said, first try to boot, press ctrl-alt-f1/f2 and see if that gets you a prompt |
| 07:18.02 | jm_ | (login prompt) |
| 07:18.12 | rajivmars | ok |
| 07:18.29 | rajivmars | i will be back after doing this |
| 07:19.50 | jm_ | vlt: #debian-live on irc.debian.org is probably best option if you need some details |
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| 07:30.30 | rajivmars | jm_ yes it prompt. how how do i connect to the internet and download the required firmware. |
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| 07:34.27 | vlt | jm_: Thank you! |
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| 07:56.26 | jm_ | vlt: np |
| 07:56.41 | jm_ | rajivmars: so you have no working network connection? |
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| 08:01.45 | borsin | ,v column |
| 08:01.46 | judd | No package named 'column' was found in amd64. |
| 08:01.53 | borsin | dpkg column |
| 08:01.53 | dpkg | borsin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 08:02.30 | borsin | anyone know what package the program 'column' is found in? |
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| 08:05.59 | borsin | ,v libsmartcols1 |
| 08:06.00 | judd | Package: libsmartcols1 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.29.2-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.33.1-0.1; bullseye: 2.34-0.1; sid: 2.34-0.1 |
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| 08:09.33 | fiet | bsdmainutils: /usr/bin/column |
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| 08:12.14 | borsin | fiet: that's correct. I |
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| 09:17.41 | Lope | Anyone here familiar with running vncserver in an unprivleged LXC container? When I login to the VNC server I get a dbus error and then it terminates. |
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| 09:20.24 | Nozzzle | hello, is this the correct command to uninstall software that I installed via docker; 'docker app uninstall INSTALLATION_NAME [--target-context TARGET_CONTEXT] [OPTIONS]' ? |
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| 09:22.32 | Nozzzle | found it |
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| 09:37.32 | Lope | ah, I switched to LXDE, just worked. |
| 09:37.43 | Lope | I was trying to use KDE. |
| 09:38.07 | Lope | It's just a remote box to do random stuff on so I don't need anything fancy. |
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| 09:50.29 | luv | hi what is the recommended workaround for cdrom not found installer bug? |
| 09:50.51 | jm_ | people still use cd-roms? :) |
| 09:51.05 | horseshoecrab | yeah how did you trigger the bug?! |
| 09:51.18 | luv | jm_: no |
| 09:51.25 | horseshoecrab | ive installed a lot of debian over the years and never had a cdrom not found error. |
| 09:51.30 | horseshoecrab | (that i can remember...) |
| 09:51.33 | horseshoecrab | scratches head |
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| 09:51.49 | luv | i mean the famous bug where it wont boot from usb stick because it tries to find cdrom and fails |
| 09:52.03 | horseshoecrab | o.k. never heard of that im afraid. |
| 09:52.25 | jm_ | if ([$0]) {eval echo $scrollz_string Country [$0] = $country($0)} {secho Usage: /COUNTRY domain} |
| 09:52.28 | luv | sorry, it does boot, but installer gets stuck when trying to find cdrom |
| 09:52.35 | horseshoecrab | (but ive seen lots of usb sticks fail to boot because i screwed up my bios settings in some way) |
| 09:52.35 | jm_ | ups sorry |
| 09:52.56 | jm_ | have you checked if there's more info on tty3/4? |
| 09:53.24 | luv | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/170069/debian-install-failing-due-to-cdrom-not-being-detected |
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| 09:54.22 | luv | problem is I can't use this workaround because my sda1 is iso9660 (this is what i need to mount to /cdrom I suppose) and sda2 is efi partition .... this is the result of getting latest netinst iso and doing "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb" as per instructions in debian manual |
| 09:55.00 | luv | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F5E-qs93zQ |
| 09:55.01 | jm_ | latest stable iso? |
| 09:55.07 | luv | 10.2.0 yes |
| 09:55.34 | luv | nothing interesting in syslog or dmesg |
| 09:55.52 | jm_ | check tty3/4 |
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| 09:56.16 | luv | https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/issues/501 |
| 09:56.59 | horseshoecrab | looks like a unetbootin / windows problem based on that stackoverflow. *shrug* |
| 09:57.04 | luv | lol |
| 09:57.18 | luv | that's the super annoying excuse, yes |
| 09:57.27 | horseshoecrab | if so it would explain why ive never seen it: ive never uses ubnetbootin to make any of the usb sticks ive booted from |
| 09:57.42 | horseshoecrab | maybe try dd on a different os to make the usb stick? |
| 09:57.47 | luv | I follow the official manual and do cp foo.iso /dev/sdb; sync, yes |
| 09:58.12 | horseshoecrab | i always use dd for that |
| 09:58.15 | luv | I tried dd as well :D |
| 09:58.21 | horseshoecrab | on what os? |
| 09:59.00 | luv | why does it matter? is my dd broken - that's why debian installer gets stuck on trying to find cdrom :-o |
| 09:59.47 | horseshoecrab | well im just curious because the error looks very windows specific and yet you say you used dd... |
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| 09:59.55 | horseshoecrab | (which implies you didnt use windows) |
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| 10:00.13 | horseshoecrab | and in that case im amazed you got an error that seems to require use of either windows or unetbootin |
| 10:00.15 | horseshoecrab | *shrug* |
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| 10:01.30 | luv | right, some random person says this is caused by unetbootin/whatever on that stackexchange question yes .... why do you think that's true? |
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| 10:02.26 | horseshoecrab | luv: if you look at the second post it references stuff on the debian and ubuntu official sites that seem to point to issues with windows and unetbootin |
| 10:02.32 | horseshoecrab | and that is what the op is talking about too. |
| 10:03.15 | horseshoecrab | im not betting my testicles / mortgage on anything but there is certainly beginning to look like a theme developing |
| 10:03.29 | luv | i guess that's why it has never been fixed |
| 10:03.39 | luv | it's a cheap excuse not to look into that right :) |
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| 10:04.23 | luv | for what is worth, I also tried the second method of creating installation usb described in official debian docs ... using hd-image/boot.img/gz but unfortunately it does not work with uefi |
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| 10:07.01 | jelly | luv: if you used dd to overwrite the whole device surely any issues with unetbootin would be out the window |
| 10:07.15 | luv | that's what im trying to say |
| 10:07.48 | luv | unetbootin wont work at all with my laptop because it does not work with uefi (at least the older unetbootin version I tried as another workaround) |
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| 10:08.50 | luv | why would i used unetbootin or anything like that if I can run just one command (whether it's 'cp' as recommended in official debian docs or 'dd') |
| 10:08.59 | jelly | indeed |
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| 10:09.52 | jelly | this is a laptop? There should be no difference, but can you try with |
| 10:09.55 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 10:09.55 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:10.51 | luv | I'm thinking I will try that remove and reinsert usb thing and then installing with 2 usb sticks - I will copy the content of first partition of the usb stick to another one (to ext3 or vfat partition) and mount that as /cdrom :) |
| 10:11.03 | luv | thanks |
| 10:11.50 | luv | i will try the firmware image too :) |
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| 10:38.14 | Lope | nvz, `apt -b source nut-server` failed: W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'nut_2.7.4-10.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 10:38.24 | Lope | any ideas? |
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| 10:40.55 | jm_ | Lope: did it work? beause it says W: as in warning |
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| 10:41.29 | ayekat | the '13: Permission denied' doesn't look like a warning, though |
| 10:41.35 | Lope | ah I think I know what's wrong |
| 10:42.05 | Lope | I was at / when I did it. it was complaining that _apt user could not write or whatever. So I created /tmp/nut-server with 777 perms, now running the command there. |
| 10:42.40 | jm_ | right it downloads to current dir |
| 10:43.08 | jm_ | shouldn't need 777 as long as it can write to . |
| 10:43.23 | Lope | Cool, it didn't end with a warning this time, and now I've got a ton of .deb files in /tmp/nut-server |
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| 10:46.47 | Lope | should I just run dpkg -i *.deb? |
| 10:47.11 | jm_ | dpkg -l|grep nut and install the newer versions of those packages |
| 10:47.12 | dpkg | jm_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 10:48.03 | Lope | jm_, yeah, figured, thanks. |
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| 10:51.53 | karlpinc | Lope: Maybe there's a readme.debian that might help. |
| 10:51.57 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 10:51.58 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 10:52.15 | Lope | Thanks, there's a bunch of inter dependencies. |
| 10:52.37 | Lope | It seems nut-server needs nut-client. and nut server needs libnutscanner1 |
| 10:53.14 | karlpinc | Lope: Your problem is that you shouldn't be running as root. |
| 10:53.39 | Lope | this seemed to work: dpkg -i nut_2.7.4-10_all.deb nut-server_2.7.4-10_amd64.deb nut-client_2.7.4-10_amd64.deb libnutscan1_2.7.4-10_amd64.deb libupsclient4_2.7.4-10_amd64.deb |
| 10:53.58 | Lope | karlpinc, last I checked, apt must run as root |
| 10:54.10 | karlpinc | Lope: Recommended is to use debootstrap to build a chroot, install *-dev packages in there, and build the package as a regular user. |
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| 10:54.31 | Lope | ohh |
| 10:54.32 | karlpinc | Lope: Then you can install the package you build as root. |
| 10:54.37 | Lope | fair enough |
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| 10:54.49 | Lope | but hey it's debian source, should be trustworthy? |
| 10:55.08 | karlpinc | Lope: The debootstrap keeps you from cluttering up your OS with *-dev packages. |
| 10:55.10 | Lope | jm_, I've got nut-scanner!!! |
| 10:55.34 | Lope | karlpinc, yeah, I wasn't so pleased about installing a ton of *-dev packages. |
| 10:55.59 | Lope | karlpinc, so if I did a debootstrap, would I need to bind mount proc dev sys etc when working in it? |
| 10:56.12 | jm_ | Lope: indeed |
| 10:56.34 | Lope | jm_, going to try nut-scanner -h now :))) |
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| 10:57.09 | Lope | karlpinc, apt is pretty good at removing packages though, right? |
| 10:57.10 | karlpinc | Lope: The debootstrap man page says how to chroot, what needs binding, etc. (I don't know, maybe there's even a helper somewhere.) |
| 10:57.31 | karlpinc | Lope: Yup. But you need to remember what you installed, or search, etc. It's a bother. |
| 10:57.32 | jm_ | you can always remove it later, you will find history in /var/log/{dpkg*,apt} |
| 10:57.52 | Lope | I've debootstrapped many many times, with bidn mounts etc. But not everything needs a bind mount, for example simple stuff like `passwd` |
| 10:57.53 | karlpinc | Lope: aptitude search '~i-dev' |
| 10:58.07 | Lope | I was just wondering if building stuff would require it. |
| 10:58.23 | Lope | I was just curious. |
| 10:58.35 | Lope | I've actually got an alias for bind mounting everything. |
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| 10:59.10 | Lope | I work with containers and embedded arm systems quite a bit. And debian chroots on android. |
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| 11:01.26 | Lope | jm_, `nut-scanner -h` doesn't work: https://hastebin.com/mekuxajevo.sql |
| 11:01.51 | Lope | jm_, running nut-scanner 2.7.4-10 |
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| 11:02.30 | Lope | jm_, looks like I need `nut-scanner -U` since I've got a kstar UPS with USB. |
| 11:02.45 | Lope | Cool, it instantly found something. |
| 11:03.18 | Lope | I'm gonna plonk it in the config!!! this is exciting. I've never had UPS software monitoring *-* |
| 11:03.35 | Lope | And to top it off this UPS was crazy cheap hahaha |
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| 11:07.09 | jm_ | I bought some cheap APC UPS, those are easier to manage using apcupsd |
| 11:07.15 | Lope | jm_, `service nut-server status` says: upsd[7825]: Can't connect to UPS [kstar] (nutdrv_atcl_usb-kstar): No such file or directory |
| 11:07.47 | Lope | jm_, I believe so yes, they cost more than double where I am though. |
| 11:08.04 | Lope | Also since this kstar advertised "Linux support" I thought it's worth a try. |
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| 11:08.25 | jm_ | Lope: is this the right driver? |
| 11:08.29 | Lope | maybe I'm missing this driver it's complaining about |
| 11:08.36 | Lope | jm_, it's the driver detected by nut-scanner. |
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| 11:09.01 | Lope | nut-scanner detected my UPS (the correct device according to lsusb) |
| 11:09.24 | jm_ | Lope: have you read «man nutdrv_atcl_usb»? it mentions USB ID-s and supported vendor names and option to adjust that |
| 11:09.25 | Lope | do I need to maybe install a nut-driver? |
| 11:09.47 | horseshoecrab | Lope: if you do, please do so very gently. |
| 11:10.09 | Lope | https://hastebin.com/bakuvegoro.css this is all the stuff I have from the sid nut build |
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| 11:11.35 | Lope | jm_, nut-scanner gave me the correct USB device and vendor and bus ID instantly when I ran it: https://hastebin.com/nogojugovi.rb |
| 11:12.01 | Lope | so I pasted that into /etc/nut/ups.conf |
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| 11:12.06 | antonioitaliano | hi fellows |
| 11:12.07 | antonioitaliano | my wify QCA9377 is not working with firmware-atheros (20190717-2) |
| 11:12.07 | antonioitaliano | how can i use prev versions of firmware ? |
| 11:12.20 | Lope | I just changed the name from [nutdev1] to [kstar] |
| 11:13.10 | Lope | antonioitaliano, you can install the old version with apt, and then you can do an apt hold on it so it won't update. |
| 11:13.45 | Lope | antonioitaliano, good to report or search for a bug about it. There might be a fix. |
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| 11:14.01 | antonioitaliano | Lope: want to say that old version is in another release |
| 11:14.22 | Lope | you mean previous release of debian? |
| 11:14.28 | antonioitaliano | YES |
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| 11:17.17 | Lope | antonioitaliano, there's a hacky method you can do. 1. purge the firmware. 2. temporarily comment out all your /etc/apt/sources.list. 3. change /etc/apt/sources.list to the previous release of debian. 4. apt update. 5. apt install my-firmware-name. 6. apt-mark hold my-firmware-name. 7. change sources.list to current debian release; 8. apt update. |
| 11:17.47 | Lope | it won't break your system if you do it like that and don't change anything else. |
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| 11:18.37 | Lope | there's no guarantee that old firmware will work with dramatically newer kernel. So it's good for a quick fix. but long term you need to report or follow a bug report. |
| 11:19.08 | Lope | I've done the above hack a few times. Sometimes debian drops a package. For example pinta. |
| 11:19.49 | jm_ | Lope: hmm it does look like it set the vendor option already, perhaps try to enable extra logging/debugging |
| 11:20.57 | antonioitaliano | ok i see i will figure out if it will work only after test :) |
| 11:20.57 | antonioitaliano | i just check and figure out that i need 2016 year driver ohh |
| 11:21.04 | Lope | jm_, how please? :) |
| 11:21.22 | jm_ | Lope: man nutupsdrv |
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| 11:24.07 | Lope | jm_, thanks. I'm not sure how to actually use nutupsdrv though? |
| 11:24.17 | Lope | where would you put the -D |
| 11:24.23 | Lope | it's not a command I can run. |
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| 11:24.39 | Lope | ah, is it upsd? |
| 11:25.32 | Lope | okay cool, I stopped the nut-server and nut-monitor services. and ran `upsd -D` |
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| 11:25.38 | jm_ | Lope: yeah I think setting it there shall do it |
| 11:25.46 | Lope | I get this warning again: Can't connect to UPS [kstar] (nutdrv_atcl_usb-kstar): No such file or directory |
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| 11:26.10 | Lope | what file is it looking for? |
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| 11:26.28 | Lope | jm_, a device file? |
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| 11:29.36 | jm_ | Lope: to be honest, no idea - have you tried using the conf file as nut-scanner creates it? |
| 11:30.02 | jm_ | Lope: strace -f -s 256 -o /tmp/str.txt upsd -DDDD |
| 11:30.04 | Lope | I found a similar issue but no resolution: https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/breugb/ups_nut_in_raspberrypi_cant_connect_to_ups_no/ |
| 11:30.06 | jm_ | that shall show more |
| 11:31.07 | Lope | okay I added more D's it keeps looking for file descriptors. will try with strace to see what it's actually looking for, good idea! |
| 11:31.54 | Lope | connect(6, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="nutdrv_atcl_usb-kstar"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:32.13 | Lope | huh? sun_path? |
| 11:32.43 | Lope | it just loops on that in the strace. |
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| 11:34.16 | jm_ | that's the socket path it wants to connect to, that's why I asked if you tried using conf file as it generates it |
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| 11:35.10 | Lope | jm_, here's the later part of the strace: https://hastebin.com/eyohinocan.pl |
| 11:36.34 | Lope | jm_, oh, okay thanks. I'll try naming it exactly as per the scanner, just a sec :) |
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| 11:37.29 | Lope | I get the same error when running `upsd -D` |
| 11:37.48 | Lope | Can't connect to UPS [nutdev1] (nutdrv_atcl_usb-nutdev1): No such file or directory |
| 11:38.27 | Lope | connect(6, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="nutdrv_atcl_usb-nutdev1"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 11:39.59 | jm_ | Lope: do you know which software it comes with for windows? |
| 11:40.06 | Lope | Why is it messing around with network connections, it's supposed to be local? |
| 11:40.21 | Lope | I set one of the configs to standalone |
| 11:40.45 | jm_ | this is a client/server tool |
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| 11:42.00 | Stx | It is local, since its using AF_UNIX-socket family (instead of AF_INET), which basically makes it able to communicate between proceses on the local machine |
| 11:42.02 | Lope | jm_, There was no CD in the box. their website is pretty horrific: http://www.kstarnewenergy.com/download_center.html http://www.kstar.com/download5/index.jhtml |
| 11:42.14 | Lope | Stx, ah, okay. |
| 11:42.44 | jm_ | I think you said you get hidraw device for it, so maybe another driver can be used, such as usbhid-ups or nutdrv_qx |
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| 11:43.26 | Lope | jm_, looks like they want you to use upsilon 2000 V5.4, they offer a 35MB windows download of it. |
| 11:43.48 | Lope | I saw a blog somewhere where someone said kstar's idea of linux support was using UPSilon in wine or whatever. |
| 11:44.03 | Lope | Which obviously I won't do. |
| 11:44.26 | Lope | jm_, this is what is detected: https://hastebin.com/nogojugovi.rb |
| 11:44.50 | jm_ | Lope: yeah I found those other drivers after reading the man page I mentioned before |
| 11:45.24 | jm_ | nutdrv_atcl_usb(8) to be specific |
| 11:45.37 | jm_ | so maybe try those drivers too |
| 11:45.43 | Lope | jm_, i'm confused, are you saying I should try usbhid-ups or nutdrv_qx ? |
| 11:45.50 | jm_ | Lope: both :) |
| 11:46.26 | Lope | Can't connect to UPS [nutdev1] (usbhid-ups-nutdev1): No such file or directory |
| 11:46.32 | Lope | could it be that I'm missing ALL drivers? |
| 11:46.36 | jm_ | no |
| 11:46.45 | Lope | Since I installed with some sid compile method? |
| 11:47.32 | Lope | Can't connect to UPS [nutdev1] (nutdrv_qx-nutdev1): No such file or directory |
| 11:48.21 | jm_ | their support page says one can get driver debug with /path/to/driver -DD -a <upsname> |
| 11:48.45 | Lope | Can't connect to UPS [nutdev1] (nutupsdrv-nutdev1): No such file or directory |
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| 11:50.34 | jm_ | so that would be /lib/nut/nutdrv_atcl_usb -DD -a .... and so on |
| 11:50.46 | Lope | found it yeah |
| 11:50.47 | jm_ | I would try those and post to their mailing list |
| 11:50.47 | Lope | Fatal error: 'vendorid' is not a valid variable name for this driver. |
| 11:51.00 | jm_ | yeah you will need to adjust config file for some drivers |
| 11:51.30 | Lope | funny how you need a PhD in nut to make it work |
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| 11:52.06 | ratrace | wonders how soon before innuendos start coming in |
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| 11:52.27 | jm_ | I'd say you don't if you buy one that's mentioned on their compatibility list as working |
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| 11:53.53 | Lope | jm_, https://hastebin.com/wapihosene.rb |
| 11:54.05 | Lope | fun times! :P |
| 11:55.01 | jm_ | Lope: yeah do try all generic drivers |
| 11:55.06 | Lope | I had to remove product_id vendor_id and bus from the config. So now it basically says vendor="MEC" port="auto" and the driver. |
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| 11:56.23 | Lope | ooh, something is happening!!! |
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| 11:56.28 | Lope | using the qx thingy |
| 11:56.45 | Lope | it's communicamerating |
| 11:57.05 | Lope | weird how that happens when I run the driver directly??? |
| 11:57.05 | jm_ | so the man page was correct, so try with the upsd |
| 11:57.15 | Regor | jm_: i added a partition ..it works fine.. but it doesnt show trash option... https://paste.debian.net/1120647 |
| 11:57.43 | Lope | jm_, upsd can't seem to find the driver: Can't connect to UPS [nutdev1] (nutdrv_qx-nutdev1): Connection refused |
| 11:57.56 | jm_ | Regor: trash options sounds like you are using some DE - sorry, but I have no idea about that, I use a simple WM |
| 11:58.15 | Regor | ok |
| 11:59.01 | jm_ | Lope: how did you start it? |
| 11:59.28 | Lope | jm_, this works when I use the driver directly, but `upsd -D` has issues. https://hastebin.com/vuvumoyuci.m |
| 11:59.45 | jm_ | Lope: please answer my above question |
| 12:00.13 | Lope | jm_, so this works: `/usr/lib/nut/nutdrv_atcl_usb -DD -a nutdev1` and this does not `upsd -D` |
| 12:00.39 | jm_ | Lope: correct, stop all processes you started manually and try use «systemctl start nut-server» |
| 12:00.45 | Lope | okay |
| 12:01.46 | jm_ | you can check status with upsc ... |
| 12:02.16 | jm_ | «upsc -l» lists UPS names |
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| 12:03.02 | jm_ | Regor: but in any case, maybe if you look at it in file manager it will create it? |
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| 12:03.45 | Lope2 | jm_, I'm back, my connection dropped. Last thing I saw from you was Lope: correct, stop all processes you started manually and try use «systemctl start nut-server» |
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| 12:04.24 | jm_ | Lope2: «upsc -l» lists UPS names, you can check status with «upsc name» |
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| 12:05.30 | Regor | ok .. i check that.. |
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| 12:06.52 | Lope2 | jm_, thanks. `upsc -l` is taking incredibly long to return. |
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| 12:07.22 | jm_ | Lope2: doesn't sound good, it should default to connect to localhost |
| 12:07.38 | Lope2 | I renamed the ups to [kstar] in ups.conf BTW. seems fine. `upsc -l` and `upsc kstar` takes very long to return. |
| 12:08.09 | Lope2 | strace it gets stuck on connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET6, sin6_port=htons(3493), inet_pton(AF_INET6, "::1", &sin6_addr), sin6_flowinfo=htonl(0), sin6_scope_id=0}, 28^C) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted if SA_RESTART is set) |
| 12:08.48 | Lope2 | in upsmon.conf I have: MONITOR kstar@localhost 1 upsmon myups master |
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| 12:09.06 | Lope2 | what's the myups thing? |
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| 12:10.20 | Lope2 | I changed myups to kstar, going to see if that helps. Waiting to stop the monitor. Seems frozen. |
| 12:10.49 | jm_ | does it have any log files? |
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| 12:11.06 | Lope2 | I gave it a nice SIGKILL |
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| 12:11.40 | Lope2 | jm_, is upsmon supposed to go past: upsmon[22932]: Init SSL without certificate database |
| 12:12.15 | Lope2 | jm_, nothing I can see in /var/log/ |
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| 12:13.09 | Lope2 | no u |
| 12:14.18 | jm_ | Lope2: upsmon also honours debug setting |
| 12:15.37 | jm_ | and both upsmon and upsd call open_syslog so maybe grep ups /var/log/* |
| 12:16.26 | jm_ | maybe grep -i |
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| 12:17.39 | starbuck | Hi guys, somebody here who has experience with tacacs+ and AAA cisco? |
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| 12:18.21 | jm_ | Lope: also as it's supposed to use systemd, journalctl -u nut-driver and nut-server, or systemctl status for those two |
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| 12:19.47 | jm_ | gone again |
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| 12:23.34 | jelly | starbuck: maybe, just ask the real question and see what happens |
| 12:23.37 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:23.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:24.44 | jelly | ,v tacacs+ |
| 12:24.45 | judd | Package: tacacs+ on amd64 -- jessie: 4.0.4.27a-1; buster: 4.0.4.27a-3; stretch: 4.0.4.27a-3 |
| 12:24.56 | jelly | huh |
| 12:25.03 | jelly | judd: bug rm tacacs+ |
| 12:25.06 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
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| 12:26.11 | starbuck | I have a problem with prohibiting the "enable" command for a user via tacacs+ - I can login in via authenticate via tacacs and log into the cisco device, user has privilege lvl 1 as supposed, but is still able to use the "enable" command. here the configs: https://paste.debian.net/1120775/ |
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| 12:33.36 | jelly | hmm, lemme see if we have ANY non priv-lvl = 15 suers |
| 12:34.25 | ratrace | big lawsuit |
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| 12:38.06 | themill | ,bug rm tacacs\+ |
| 12:38.09 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/838701 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: tacacs+ -- RoQA; python2-only; orphaned; dead upstream; low popcon»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-23; last modified: 2019-10-06. |
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| 12:38.35 | themill | packages and regexes.... |
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| 12:39.27 | themill | yeah, I wasn't expecting that either tbh |
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| 12:41.16 | jelly | sigh, python2-only |
| 12:42.48 | themill | that is already on the todo list |
| 12:42.50 | jelly | the py support could have been just disabled instead of dropping the package maybe |
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| 12:45.25 | whislock | starbuck: You're never going to be able to disable the enable command for any user. Even priv 0 has that. |
| 12:45.47 | whislock | starbuck: It's like one of the five commands that priv 0 has. |
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| 12:46.41 | whislock | starbuck: So if your priv 1 user can just 'enable' and full priv exec mode, your issue isn't with disabling 'enable'. It's with insufficient authentication for 'enable'. |
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| 12:49.28 | starbuck | whislock, yes, it's two problems, but I wanted to resolve them step by step... and the first step is beeing able to even use the "enable" command. I found several tutorials online that imply and also show by configuration files that it should be possible to prevent the use of that command... |
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| 12:52.57 | starbuck | whislock, here is an example, but maybe the user in the cisco forum is wrong... https://community.cisco.com/t5/policy-and-access/tacacs-restrict-enable-mode/td-p/2910253 |
| 12:53.35 | whislock | Wouldnt be the first time. |
| 12:53.45 | starbuck | i know... |
| 12:54.07 | whislock | Youre chasing the wrong solution. Fix whatever is letting your users bypass enable auth. |
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| 12:54.27 | whislock | Trying to disable the command itself is masking the issue. |
| 12:54.35 | starbuck | ok |
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| 13:47.18 | QuanRan | Hi, im using Debian Buster Stable 10.2 as my desktop env. Is there a way to have latest packages versions instead of stable one ? |
| 13:47.49 | whislock | QuanRan: That's the opposite to the purpose of a stable release. What is your specific concern? |
| 13:48.07 | QuanRan | For instance, i have firefox-esr, which is 60.9.0, and seriously outdated. I want apt update to have the latests version of firefox and other stuff |
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| 13:48.27 | Gaaab | apache2 on debian stretch with two name based SSL virtualhosts |
| 13:48.27 | QuanRan | Should I be changing my apt lists to unstable ? |
| 13:48.38 | whislock | QuanRan: If you want a basically broken system, then go for it. |
| 13:48.40 | towo^work | if you have to ask that, no |
| 13:48.59 | QuanRan | That's why i come to ask, what would be the implications of doing that ? |
| 13:49.03 | ratrace | QuanRan: it's possible to pull in individual packages from Unstable/Sid, but it's not recommended unless you know what you're doing. For firefox, you could also try using snapd and the firefox snap. Don't know if there's a flatpak of it. |
| 13:49.14 | whislock | ,v firefox |
| 13:49.15 | judd | Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 71.0-2 |
| 13:49.23 | whislock | ,checkbackport firefox |
| 13:49.24 | judd | Backporting package firefox in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.23~), libnss3-dev (>= 2:3.47.1~), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.29.0), rustc (>= 1.37), cargo (>= 0.38), cbindgen (>= 0.9.1). |
| 13:49.30 | towo^work | and for firefox, it's easy, doenload the tarball, extract it to your home, run it from there |
| 13:49.30 | ratrace | boom! |
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| 13:50.01 | ratrace | eh no, I'd never recommend running the browser with its files owned by the same user that runs it. |
| 13:50.15 | ratrace | if you _have_ to use the tarball, make the files owned by root. |
| 13:50.20 | whislock | QuanRan: Either work with the versions you have, or maybe a distro that provides more up to date packages is for you. You will sacrifice in stability if you do. |
| 13:50.38 | QuanRan | Im a bit of a security paranoid. Doesn't using ESR versions expose me to say, that kind of cve https://github.com/0vercl0k/CVE-2019-11708 ? |
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| 13:51.12 | whislock | QuanRan: Paranoia involves, by definition, delusion. |
| 13:51.15 | ratrace | QuanRan: ESR does not mean "old and unmaintained". Mozilla releases updated ESR versions for each security release |
| 13:51.27 | whislock | "extended support release" |
| 13:51.56 | whislock | QuanRan: Rather than blindly looking at CVEs, you should be looking at what has been done about them. https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 |
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| 13:53.32 | mason | whislock: Stop attacking people. It's tedious and unnecessary. |
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| 13:53.58 | muhaha | is there any daemon/ctl that can control led devices? I am aware of kernel modules, but if I need something more flex |
| 13:54.13 | whislock | mason: I don't recall saying or asking anything of you. |
| 13:54.22 | whislock | mason: So, please, waste someone else's time and buffer space. |
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| 13:54.54 | QuanRan | mason: this. I can't bear smug people on IRC feeling superior. I came here asking questions looking for help, not condescending people. Limit your answers and keep your smugness to yourself. |
| 13:55.29 | QuanRan | whislock: Your condescending comments are a waste of my buffer space. |
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| 13:55.49 | whislock | QuanRan: If you want a limited answer, here it is: You get stability or newness. Pick one. You could have easily found an answer by Googling "CVE-2019-11708 debian," but instead, you came in here whining. |
| 13:56.00 | ratrace | Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! -- president Merkin Muffley |
| 13:56.09 | whislock | QuanRan: You have unlimited resources at your disposal. Go forth and flourish. |
| 13:56.25 | mason | !ops whislock degrades the experience here - see above |
| 13:56.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: mason complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 13:56.44 | QuanRan | see whislock that's exactly my point. You could've limited buffer space to "[..] Pick one." instead you felt obligated to add a smug comment about me whining. |
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| 13:58.22 | whislock | ratrace: Mine shaft gap. ;) |
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| 13:58.50 | ratrace | heh heh |
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| 14:05.47 | zodd | QuanRan, my experience is that you start with a single package. It has some dependencies. Fine. You need another one etc. Before you know it you are in limbo between two releases. Fine if you have the skills but also be prepared to suffer: chances are dist-upgrading imposes new troubles in the future. So is it worth your trouble or is it a good idea to start using something else than stable? |
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| 14:06.22 | zodd | usually it is not worth the trouble |
| 14:07.13 | whislock | If what you're after is present in <release>-backports, or can be backported manually via a simple sid backport (I think dpkg has a factoid on that), then go that route. If not, things get dicey from there. Mixing releases often results in wailing and gnashing of teeth. |
| 14:07.56 | whislock | If security fixes are what you're worried about, Debian backports security updates from newer upstream releases so that high-severity issues are resolved while keeping the package in a stable state, according to the Debian definition of stable. |
| 14:08.17 | whislock | It's always worth checking a CVE of concern against Debian's security tracker. |
| 14:08.34 | QuanRan | zodd: something i don't get is: I have two binaries for firefox, /usr/bin/firefox & /usr/bin/firefox-esr. Why are they both the same version, 60.9.0 ? |
| 14:08.56 | zodd | dunno |
| 14:09.12 | QuanRan | Can't i have /usr/bin/firefox to the latest, 71.0 ... ? |
| 14:09.21 | zodd | symlink? check with what package they came? |
| 14:09.23 | QuanRan | and have -esr to the ESR version, 60.9 ? |
| 14:09.32 | whislock | QuanRan: You're on buster, right? |
| 14:09.42 | whislock | ,v firefox-esr |
| 14:09.43 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1+b1; jessie-security: 68.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.3.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 68.3.0esr-1~deb10u1; sid: 68.3.0esr-1 |
| 14:10.15 | whislock | If that's true, then your firefox-esr package is a full release behind. |
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| 14:14.50 | QuanRan | I think i got it working. Weird, i thought `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` would install updates |
| 14:15.06 | QuanRan | I had to `apt-get install firefox-esr` and now it runs 68.3.0esr |
| 14:15.16 | jelly | QuanRan: some patches require an apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:29.09 | themill | QuanRan: you might like to subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list; the messages there list the CVEs that are fixed and will often highlight that you need to use a dist-upgrade to install the packages (apt will also tell you that it can't install the updated package) |
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| 14:35.25 | EdePopede | anyone remembering if the apache MPMs were in separate packages in the past? looking around in DVD 1-3 on a standalone machine for a httpd, can see the 3 of them in apache2-bin, but i think i can remember a dependency on either of the MPMsm including the need of an extra install if switching to another MPM. |
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| 14:37.45 | ratrace | EdePopede: yes, in jessie they were |
| 14:38.18 | EdePopede | and a bonus question, there seem to be 3 httpd's on those 3 DVDs: apache, nginx, lighttpd. but no debtag combination isolating all 3 of them and nothing else. especially nginx doesn't have web::server |
| 14:38.39 | EdePopede | ratrace: ha! thanks. so i remembered correctly. |
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| 14:39.27 | EdePopede | never understood why. found out after digging for them that that's not much more than one of the debian typicle symlinks in /etc being modified. |
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| 14:40.10 | EdePopede | maybe i should join #packaging occasionally or what the correct channel name is |
| 14:40.21 | ratrace | that's just include-based convenience method, completely ignorable |
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| 14:41.30 | marsje | I'm using Debian 10 and I'm trying to disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1 in Apache SSL config, but it does not seem to work. In my ssl.conf I have: SSLProtocol TLSv1.2 |
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| 14:43.58 | ratrace | marsje: try SSLProtocol -all +TLSv1.2 |
| 14:44.44 | marsje | rebrec: I think I already did, but let me try again |
| 14:45.56 | marsje | rebrec: no luck... |
| 14:46.14 | marsje | is using internet.nl to test |
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| 14:48.54 | ratrace | marsje: grep the whole config dir, do you have it overriden somewhere perhaps? |
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| 14:49.21 | marsje | ratrace: I already tried that too.... it's only in ssl.conf now |
| 14:49.30 | jelly | marsje: is https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/ not helpful? SSLProtocol all -SSLv3 -TLSv1 -TLSv1.1 |
| 14:50.09 | jelly | https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/#server=apache&server-version=2.4.25&config=intermediate&openssl-version=1.1.0l&hsts=false&ocsp=false |
| 14:50.55 | jelly | you can set it per VirtualHost rather than changing existing config files provided by the package |
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| 14:54.20 | zodd | marsje, for SSL testing only internet.nl seems a bit overkill. You could also use: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ |
| 14:55.16 | whislock | I think there's a script you can run locally. |
| 14:55.24 | whislock | https://testssl.sh/ |
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| 14:56.39 | whislock | You can use the -p option for that script to only test TLS protocols enabled. |
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| 16:04.12 | marsje | zodd: I 'm using both, to double check... both come to the same conclusion, only internet.nl is faster because it's less extensive |
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| 17:07.26 | dka | How I can unplug / replug my USB wwan card from command line ? |
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| 17:11.09 | nvz | you can't |
| 17:11.26 | nvz | you can unload and reload the driver, there is no command to unplug something physically |
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| 17:13.25 | dka | Well. I have modem-manager-gui telling me that modem must be registered to a mobile network to receive and send SMS, this because I changed the sim card after boot. I want to restart it so I can keep working without rebooting. |
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| 17:19.22 | diogenes_ | dka, maybe systemctl restart ModemManager |
| 17:19.29 | nvz | well as far as I know lsusb won't show the kernel driver like lspci will.. so you gotta figure out what driver it is and unload it |
| 17:19.40 | nvz | journalctl -k or lsmod might give you a clue |
| 17:20.07 | nvz | rmmod/modprobe are to unload/load a driver |
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| 17:42.42 | EdePopede | just installed wdm on the minimalistic standalone system. what would be the method of the day to make it open a login screen on tty as usual? |
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| 17:44.06 | EdePopede | i remember `init 6` but given the runlevel design this must have been on suse during the pre-squeeze days. |
| 17:44.51 | EdePopede | oh wait. not 6. definitely not. 3 maybe. multiuser + network + X. so maybe 4. |
| 17:45.09 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: What does it do instead of opening a console? |
| 17:46.11 | EdePopede | jhutchins: just installed it. the original install on that pc was with everything unselected. i even had to install xterm + xorg first. and now finally a dm. so far i used startx. |
| 17:46.23 | EdePopede | bringing back the old days :) |
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| 17:47.36 | EdePopede | since i do such things only if a have a spare working system and this didn't happen for quite a long time, it's rather new to me. things have changed over the years. |
| 17:47.59 | EdePopede | i would expect some systemd module to take the job |
| 17:49.02 | jhutchins_wk | I don't understand what you're tryning to do. telinit 6 would have triggered a reboot. |
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| 17:50.20 | EdePopede | i was thinking of the wrong level. my pre-squeeze days. only they had a pretty logical approach: 1 for single user, 2 multi, 3 network, 4 x. iirc. |
| 17:50.46 | jhutchins_wk | What do you want to happen, and what's happening instead? |
| 17:52.28 | EdePopede | nothing happens since i don't do anything. i only would like to have the login to X at tt7 as usual. i could reboot, but that's the way to redmond. there should be a command firing up the DM on tty7 without blocking the one where i start it or even misusing it as STDERR after it had started. |
| 17:52.45 | EdePopede | not even an idea where to look at for it |
| 17:52.51 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, you need to point systemd at the graphical target. |
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| 17:53.50 | othman | Hello |
| 17:53.56 | EdePopede | /etc/X11/default-display-manager has '/usr/bin/wdm', which looks good |
| 17:54.16 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 17:54.19 | othman | I'm trying to make samba work with a SQL Server 2012 but All I get is the following error: Reason: 1326(The user name or password is incorrect.). |
| 17:54.28 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: What does systemctl get-default say |
| 17:54.37 | othman | I would like to provide access to the share without authentication |
| 17:55.22 | EdePopede | jhutchins_wk: graphical.target -- i guess that changed during postinst, didn't check it before |
| 17:58.17 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, so it should start the GUI on boot. |
| 17:59.25 | jhutchins_wk | Need to figure out why that's not happening. |
| 17:59.35 | EdePopede | i guess so. and //etc/systemd/system/display-manager-service pointing to /lib/systemd/system/wdm.service - can i trigger it somehow *without* rebooting? |
| 17:59.53 | EdePopede | jhutchins_wk: it didn't happen at boot because i didn't rebbot |
| 17:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: Try launching wdm as root? |
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| 18:00.32 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: You should have both "reboot" and "shutdown" available as root, shutdown -r now should reboot it. (That's what I learned to use.) |
| 18:00.32 | EdePopede | should i maybe try the ExecStart= line from the unit? |
| 18:00.56 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: I would try wdm & |
| 18:01.10 | EdePopede | i was hoping for a more elegant solutian available, at the end that's not windows xD |
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| 18:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: Well, like I said, it _should_ start the gui at boot. |
| 18:01.35 | EdePopede | it has a -nodaemon option |
| 18:01.56 | EdePopede | guess it would also redirect file descriptors and what not |
| 18:02.02 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: I don't think you want that, that implies it backgrounds by default so you don't need the & |
| 18:02.50 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: I think the first thing I'd try would be a reboot to see if it boots into the gui. |
| 18:02.58 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: If not, start troubleshooting from there. |
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| 18:05.54 | EdePopede | jhutchins: you were right with the -no-daemon. i was looking it from the wrong side. it was a simple "wdm", it detaches from the terminal, forks, then starts xorg and wdmLogin on tty7 |
| 18:06.08 | EdePopede | seems to work out of the box as it should |
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| 18:06.39 | othman | any one for my question? |
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| 18:11.59 | ratrace | othman: what are you even trying to do? use smb for your sql server storage? why on earth? |
| 18:12.30 | othman | ratrace, it need to access a dll wich is stored on smb share |
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| 18:13.28 | ratrace | othman: and you can't copy that dll locally? |
| 18:14.17 | othman | ratrace, no, not for now |
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| 18:14.30 | whislock | This sounds like a very bad solution. |
| 18:14.36 | hathadar | I'm running a new install of Debian 10. I want to add myself to sudoers by doing a usermod -aG sudo myself. This is not working. Help? |
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| 18:15.45 | ratrace | hathadar: define "not working" please |
| 18:16.00 | EdePopede | hathadar: you run it as root? |
| 18:16.10 | othman | From a windows 7 box, I'm able to access the share but not from windows server 2012 |
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| 18:16.23 | hathadar | The command executes without complaint, however when I attempt to sudo any command I am told I am not in the sudoers file. I have run the usermod command as root |
| 18:17.08 | EdePopede | hathadar: you need to login again, it doesn't affect open shells |
| 18:18.16 | hathadar | I killed my open terminal and tried again with the same result. Do I actually need to re-login to my desktop environment? |
| 18:18.27 | greycat | Yes, you do. |
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| 18:18.34 | hathadar | Ok, I'll give that a go. Thanks. |
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| 18:35.45 | Lope | does anyone know how to disable SSL with nut-monitor? |
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| 18:36.10 | Lope | it takes ages to connect, then says "Can not connect to localhost in SSL, continue uncrypted" |
| 18:36.18 | Lope | SSL is unnecessary for localhost access. |
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| 18:39.25 | otyugh | Hey |
| 18:39.32 | mq | is userns-clone enabled by default in debian 10? |
| 18:40.08 | mq | unprivileged_userns_clone* |
| 18:41.02 | otyugh | I want to install the kernel 4.15 into my debian 10. This specific version because It's the only I know that work for the sleep mode in Ubuntu. While I tried both the stretch version (4.9 and the buster 4.19) ; they didn't had sleep mode working, sadly |
| 18:41.49 | otyugh | Could I use a kernel packaged for ubuntu for instance ? |
| 18:43.04 | Lope | ah it was an ipv6 problem, I swapped localhost for 127.0.0.1 and it connected instantly. |
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| 18:49.33 | mq | The line 'kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone = 1' showed up during the last update and i wonder why. |
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| 18:51.26 | Akuw | i want to use my cd debian install but creating a local repository |
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| 18:51.36 | Akuw | i am not clear how to do it |
| 18:51.49 | Akuw | suppose i have debian 9 install iso cd |
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| 18:52.04 | Akuw | and i want to create local repo so i dont need internet |
| 18:52.16 | Akuw | just to create local repo |
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| 18:56.23 | Lope | ratrace, I got a Bachelors in NUT now :p jm_ got it all working, thanks so much for your help man!!!!! |
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| 18:57.47 | Lope | upsc kstar@127.0.0.1:3493 gives the status. I had to add matching auths in upsmon and upsd.users as per the examples in both files. I ran into a ipv6 issue so I just used 127.0.0.1 in place of localhost. Probably my ipv6 tables needs attention but I can't be bothered right now. |
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| 19:01.24 | Lope | gtg |
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| 19:10.28 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: Why not just use the iso? |
| 19:10.39 | jhutchins_wk | !own repo |
| 19:10.40 | dpkg | To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 19:16.45 | luv | to fix the usb install i had to do mkdir /cdrom modprobe iso9660 and mount /dev/sda1 /cdrom |
| 19:17.03 | luv | the firmware image is nice too, wifi works already in the installer on t495 |
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| 19:31.53 | Akuw | jhutchins_wk: if i have all files stracted from iso |
| 19:32.07 | Akuw | first step is create one directory and put files |
| 19:32.23 | Akuw | the second is include in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:32.35 | Akuw | right_ |
| 19:32.45 | Akuw | ? |
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| 19:40.26 | somiaj | the cd's are a bit different than a local repo, are you wanting to use this on just one machine or your network? |
| 19:40.45 | somiaj | A repo requires a bit more than just all the .deb files, you need some additional information files too |
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| 19:45.26 | jhutchins_wk | metadata |
| 19:45.44 | somiaj | Akuw: maybe describe yoursetup a little bit better, what do you want this local repo to do, do you want it to just be for a single machine, or for your network? Do you have a single machine on your network that is connected to the internet? |
| 19:45.50 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw: You're better off reading that, I have not done a debian repo (I've done rpms). |
| 19:46.24 | somiaj | depending on use case, apt-cacher-ng is actually a good tool for a local repo. |
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| 19:50.04 | pitch | Hey there, i am not a debian user. usually i prefer slicker OS. i tried to install firefox, but apt gives: |
| 19:50.13 | pitch | Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:50.16 | pitch | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 19:50.18 | pitch | is only available from another source |
| 19:50.20 | pitch | E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate |
| 19:50.30 | somiaj | pitch: debian uses firefox-esr |
| 19:50.51 | somiaj | debian stable prefers longer support and not to upgrade versions so quickly, firefox-esr is close to that design, so we use that. |
| 19:51.19 | somiaj | (actually debian stable won't upgrade versions but only backport security patches to the version in debian stable -- browsers are an execption to this rule) |
| 19:51.28 | pitch | somiaj: so there is no way of getting upstream firefox via apt? |
| 19:51.52 | somiaj | no, but you can install the upstream static linked bin in /opt or $HOME easily. |
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| 19:52.52 | greycat | "upstream" means "from outside of Debian", by the way |
| 19:54.23 | Lope | can anyone see the log of what I wrote earlier |
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| 19:54.34 | Lope | something about deb-src |
| 19:54.56 | greycat | How long ago? |
| 19:55.48 | annadane | no, only about ssl |
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| 19:56.20 | jhutchins_wk | pitch: If you're not using actual debian repos all bets are off. |
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| 19:56.44 | Lope | greycat, today |
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| 19:57.07 | greycat | if it was more than 90 minutes ago, then: no. |
| 19:57.08 | Lope | unless I started typing it but didn't send it. |
| 19:57.09 | annadane | Lope, just restate your question |
| 19:57.19 | M6HZ | Hello, has someone else recently tried to follow this step by step way to install Gnome https://mike632t.wordpress.com/2016/05/25/installing-gnome-3-jessie/ ? I'm unable to start it here. |
| 19:57.28 | M6HZ | What I got in the logs: "Error registering session with GDM: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .services files" |
| 19:57.31 | Lope | annadane, ah, it's not a question, it's to reproduce what I did that worked. |
| 19:57.39 | M6HZ | And obviously I don't want to install GDM. |
| 19:57.42 | Lope | for my notes. it's ok, I'll re-figure it out |
| 19:57.49 | M6HZ | (note: If it matters, I've tried it on Debian unstable) |
| 19:57.51 | Akuw | i was reading but it is not clear how to do it |
| 19:58.06 | greycat | !install gnome |
| 19:58.06 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 19:58.16 | M6HZ | greycat, no |
| 19:58.18 | Akuw | what i need is just to have local repo so i dont have to go to internet |
| 19:58.47 | Akuw | i just want to download ISO to my computer, extract and configure local repo |
| 19:58.58 | greycat | "Has anyone else followed this random wordpress tutorial for an old version of Debian?" No. |
| 19:59.06 | somiaj | M6HZ: are you still using jessie? Also I don't agree with a lot of what that install is doing (espically the --no-install-recommends) |
| 19:59.09 | somiaj | !install gnome |
| 19:59.09 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install â¦Â» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 19:59.19 | somiaj | M6HZ: ^^ that s the way we recommend you install gnome. |
| 19:59.27 | M6HZ | somiaj, no, I'm on Debian unstable on this VM. |
| 20:00.01 | somiaj | M6HZ: yea following random instructions for jessie for sid is probably not the best idea. You should be asking questions in #debian-next. If you want a fairly minimial gnome, I would do the 'gnome-core' metapackage. |
| 20:00.11 | somiaj | also make sure you install recommended packages, those are often useful. |
| 20:00.18 | greycat | "I'm on unstable, so I know what I'm doing and I'm really smart!! So I'll follow random advice from the internet for three releases ago, and then ask about it in the wrong channel on the wrong network!" |
| 20:00.57 | somiaj | Akuw: apt-cacher-ng is a nice tool, it creates a cache of all the packages you use, lets multiple computers use it as a local repo, and does all the setup for you. |
| 20:01.20 | M6HZ | greycat, Hey sorry if I don't spend my life on IRC, I often have something else to do. :) |
| 20:01.47 | greycat | Then run stable like the rest of us do. |
| 20:01.47 | Akuw | somiaj: is there a way to do it manually? |
| 20:01.48 | Lope | I gotta run peeps, thanks |
| 20:01.52 | somiaj | M6HZ: if you aren't familar with debian, you should be running stable. |
| 20:01.54 | Lope | night night |
| 20:02.09 | M6HZ | greycat, somiaj I have good reasons to be on unstable on this vm. |
| 20:02.13 | M6HZ | Thanks. |
| 20:02.30 | somiaj | Akuw: probably, but it could take a lot of work. You should really consider what your usecase is. Like what is wrong with using apt-cacher-ng. Maybe just using apt-cdrom and scanning the .iso files will be more what you want. |
| 20:03.08 | Akuw | graycat: hi |
| 20:03.15 | Akuw | greycat: hi |
| 20:03.56 | somiaj | M6HZ: anyways, there are much easier ways to install gnome. |
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| 20:05.23 | M6HZ | somiaj, Sure |
| 20:05.37 | M6HZ | somiaj, but it always come with this awful GDM |
| 20:05.42 | M6HZ | I don't want that. |
| 20:06.17 | greycat | Remove it afterward. |
| 20:07.00 | M6HZ | That's what I usualy do, but it would be better not to have to install it in the first place. |
| 20:07.01 | somiaj | or just disable the display manager or instsall another one |
| 20:07.07 | pitch | What about the widevine package for firefox. is it included as a standard? |
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| 20:07.42 | M6HZ | somiaj, If you disable it via systemctl, it is just reenabled automaticaly. |
| 20:07.51 | somiaj | you don't disable it via systemctl |
| 20:08.08 | somiaj | you change the target from graphical.target to multiuser.target |
| 20:08.09 | greycat | systemctl set-default *is* one way... |
| 20:08.32 | M6HZ | somiaj, what do you mean ? |
| 20:08.41 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 20:08.41 | dpkg | In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (https://github.com/spanezz/nodm). |
| 20:08.43 | greycat | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
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| 20:09.07 | somiaj | hmm, guess that factoid dosen't contain the multi-user.target method (this will make it so no graphical enviroment is loaded at boot) |
| 20:09.12 | M6HZ | Sounds nice. I've tried this solution. |
| 20:09.18 | greycat | It does. It's at the top. |
| 20:09.23 | M6HZ | I've never tried * |
| 20:09.30 | somiaj | oh I can't read. |
| 20:09.42 | EdePopede | if there is another DM explicitely selected and there is only a dependency on x-display-manager wouldn't it then install only the selected one but not gdm? |
| 20:10.03 | greycat | I have the same issue. Decades of experience have led me to often skip over the first part of anything I read, because it's usually filler. |
| 20:10.36 | EdePopede | yep. want to change some crucial system settings? first they'll explain you how to start your editor... |
| 20:12.07 | somiaj | EdePopede: it might, unsure if the gnome package depends on x-display-manager or gdm3, my guess is it would depend on gdm3 |
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| 20:12.30 | somiaj | though maybe gdm3 | x-display-manager would be appropriate, to ensure that gdm3 is the one that gets pulled in if there is none. |
| 20:13.46 | greycat | gnome-core Depends: gdm3. No alternatives. |
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| 20:14.56 | greycat | (the Depends: comes close to filling my entire terminal) |
| 20:15.58 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: I believe that multiple DMs can be installed but only one can be active. |
| 20:16.04 | EdePopede | debtree creates an incredibly huge file for gnome. had to abort the creation of the png |
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| 20:16.42 | somiaj | desktops are beasts, why I avoid them. |
| 20:17.03 | EdePopede | wouldn't something like gmd|x-display-manager be an option? unless gdm is REALLY NEEDED of course |
| 20:17.10 | EdePopede | ah :) |
| 20:17.53 | somiaj | EdePopede: I don't think the gnome people would consider it. I think it would be a sane thing to do to allow for use cases like M6HZ to install a different display manager with gnome. |
| 20:18.07 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: gdm should satisfy the dependency for a DM, but gdm does have some additional features/functions. |
| 20:18.13 | somiaj | I guess someone could file a wishlist bug for this, but I don't think the gnome people would care to actually implement it. |
| 20:18.46 | jhutchins_wk | Er, wdm should satisfy it too. |
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| 20:19.21 | jhutchins_wk | EdePopede: You can have multiple different desktops without having to have their DM to log in/select desktop. |
| 20:21.04 | somiaj | yea, that is the point EdePopede is making, if the depends on gnome-core were something like gdm3 | x-display-manager, a user could have gnome installed with using a different display manager than gdm3 |
| 20:21.08 | greycat | KDE handles it rather differently: task-kde-desktop Depends: sddm. Rather than burrowing it all the way down to KDE's core. |
| 20:21.23 | EdePopede | jhutchins: it was just because of this appearant *need* for its own. and then i was just installing wdm on the other pc. sddm has some (i think) qt dependencies, so nope. not now. what also somiaj said, away from the integrated solutions. |
| 20:21.33 | somiaj | and yea, being at gnome-core is kinda annoying too, because it really forces one to install gdm3 even if they aren't using it. |
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| 20:22.06 | somiaj | otherwise you break gnome-core and installing a core gnome becomes harder |
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| 20:22.30 | EdePopede | greycat: but then suse's KDE had a weird dependency: a theme including their chameleon sitting on top of every window. i like that creature, but a dependency? |
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| 20:23.18 | EdePopede | somiaj: i'll check it in the not so distant future. there are still some 100GBs free on the disk :) |
| 20:24.09 | EdePopede | i have a system that doesn't have to run and which i can break. so why not... |
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| 21:01.05 | POLK | hey, why a package is found via package search on the page, but # apt-cache search <name> returns nothing ? For instance xfce4-goodies |
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| 21:02.20 | greycat | ,v xfce4-goodies |
| 21:02.22 | judd | Package: xfce4-goodies on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.6; buster: 4.12.6; sid: 4.12.6 |
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| 21:02.42 | greycat | maybe your sources.list isn't complete, or you haven't run apt update |
| 21:03.02 | greycat | or you're on something older than jessie |
| 21:03.12 | POLK | greycat, did apt update and upgrade |
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| 21:04.49 | somiaj | POLK: what is the output of of apt policy at paste.debian.net |
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| 21:10.45 | POLK | somiaj, https://imgur.com/sFLjuUA |
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| 21:10.54 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 21:12.40 | somiaj | !buster sources.list |
| 21:12.40 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:12.52 | somiaj | POLK: you don't have a complete sources.list, fix it to include more than just the security sources. |
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| 21:16.44 | POLK | dpkg, somiaj, # cat /etc/apt/source.list => https://imgur.com/RwVmtJe |
| 21:16.45 | dpkg | POLK: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 21:20.14 | subcool | how to i cli enable a network profile. |
| 21:20.28 | POLK | dpkg, nope, debian.org only |
| 21:20.28 | dpkg | POLK: are you using Windows? |
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| 21:20.40 | subcool | i created a couple network profiles, depending on if i was adhoc or dhcp |
| 21:20.44 | subcool | debian |
| 21:20.52 | POLK | dpkg, no ;) |
| 21:20.52 | dpkg | POLK: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:20.58 | subcool | its kinda headless |
| 21:21.04 | subcool | ops- lol.. |
| 21:21.27 | whislock | POLK: Your sources.list is woefully incomplete. |
| 21:21.34 | subcool | anyways- im reading this networkmanager wiki. it talks about enabling network.conf. but- not how to enable a specific profile |
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| 21:22.08 | somiaj | POLK: most of them are commented out, follow the factoid to get correct sources. |
| 21:22.11 | whislock | subcool: That doesn't sound like anything you'd need to do for networkmanager. |
| 21:22.18 | whislock | subcool: You want nmcli or nmtui., |
| 21:23.02 | subcool | that sucks, the box isnt on the internet |
| 21:23.07 | POLK | whislock, dpkg, it's a freely installed system. The only thing that it was installed from minimal image, one that doesn't contain all the packages |
| 21:23.31 | subcool | and i cant run x11vnc because its behind another computer |
| 21:23.33 | whislock | POLK: I install from netinst images, and that is not what the sources.list looks like when it's finished. |
| 21:23.41 | somiaj | POLK: dpkg is a bot, just follow the bots instructions and create a proper sources.list |
| 21:23.43 | whislock | subcool: If you have networkmanager installed, you have nmcli. |
| 21:23.49 | subcool | oh. ok. |
| 21:24.17 | somiaj | that is what one gets if a mirror was not selected during the isntall (as said in the comments) |
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| 21:25.05 | subcool | whislock: thanks. thats cool command. |
| 21:25.07 | subcool | im in. |
| 21:25.07 | greycat | I *hate* that. It's so incredibly stupid. |
| 21:25.22 | subcool | THANKS! |
| 21:25.35 | greycat | "You didn't use the non-free firmware installer that we refuse to tell you about, so now we punish you by not even giving you the proper config files!!" |
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| 21:26.07 | subcool | greycat: this entire environemnt is a gray area. |
| 21:26.24 | subcool | your supposed to know about something, that is in no way evident unless you were involed in the subject anyways. |
| 21:26.46 | greycat | The installer COULD give you a proper sources.list with the http lines commented out, and instructions saying "uncomment these after you get networking". |
| 21:28.43 | somiaj | yea, I think that would be better than the buster-updates that was given |
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| 22:02.45 | narutowaifu | I've always used hdd my entire life and soon I'll get my first ssd, where I'm planning to install debian on. Is there any particular action I need to take since I'm using an ssd instead of hdd? For example is ext4 good out of the box or do I need to change any settings? Also I've read of not using the ssd for swap? These sort of issues |
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| 22:03.13 | somiaj | not really |
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| 22:03.55 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization -- some suggest things like in there, but it really isn't needed |
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| 22:04.25 | greycat | I get the impression that most of the pages about SSDs are from the earliest days of SSDs and may no longer be true. |
| 22:04.43 | jhutchins_wk | narutowaifu: Current ssd's can be treated as hdd's. |
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| 22:04.58 | somiaj | narutowaifu: ssd life span is related to number of writes (so using it as swap can cause more writes), but most modern ssd's have a fairly good lifespan, so it is only slighty (maybe unoticalbe) advantages you can get by adding in some of the additional flags to /etc/fstab |
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| 22:05.33 | somiaj | so if you don't do anything you will be just fine, if you want to read on some optimizations, they won't hurt it. |
| 22:06.58 | narutowaifu | thanks for the comments |
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| 23:20.02 | warsoul | having some issue booting my pc |
| 23:20.06 | warsoul | have the pictures |
| 23:20.10 | warsoul | where can i post them? |
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| 23:20.37 | annadane | !paste |
| 23:20.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:20.46 | annadane | wares^ |
| 23:20.48 | annadane | errr |
| 23:20.51 | annadane | warsoul, ^ |
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| 23:22.31 | warsoul | annadane, https://file.io/Hckjc6 |
| 23:22.47 | warsoul | annadane, https://file.io/1q2AB2 |
| 23:23.42 | annadane | both 404 not found |
| 23:23.54 | kreyren | How do i install all dependencies requried to build debian package? |
| 23:24.10 | kreyren | there is a command for it and i don't know what is it.. (used it before) |
| 23:24.22 | kreyren | needs to compile wine |
| 23:24.42 | annadane | apt build-dep |
| 23:24.43 | apt | To install the packages needed to build some other package in the way the debian package of it was configured use "apt-get build-dep <pacakge-you-want-to-build>". If you'd like to add features or use a newer version of the libraries, you may need to manually get those specific -dev packages. |
| 23:24.49 | kreyren | annadane, ty |
| 23:25.01 | warsoul | annadane, https://imgur.com/a/d74RtUY |
| 23:26.35 | annadane | although honestly for compiling stuff i tend to check github or whatever for what you truly actually need |
| 23:26.41 | annadane | rather than 'install 81 packages' |
| 23:27.18 | warsoul | annadane, that link is working |
| 23:27.35 | annadane | warsoul, yeah, i saw. i can't diagnose though, wait a bit for someone else |
| 23:27.44 | warsoul | ok thanks |
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| 23:28.51 | annadane | i guess i shouldn't said that sooner, sorry |
| 23:28.54 | annadane | by way of acknowledgement |
| 23:28.59 | annadane | i'm bad at that |
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| 23:30.40 | somiaj | kreyren: why do you need to compile wine? Have you checked out the packages at winehq? |
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| 23:31.12 | somiaj | warsoul: I get 404 on both those links |
| 23:31.19 | annadane | somiaj, check the imgur |
| 23:31.24 | annadane | that he posted |
| 23:31.25 | kreyren | somiaj, testing the winehq patches where my unix-like OS partition is hugged up to oblivion because of insufficient QA and being too lazy to recompile gentoo/exherbo |
| 23:31.33 | annadane | https://imgur.com/a/d74RtUY |
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| 23:32.01 | kreyren | well my exherbo would take 12 mins, but effort |
| 23:32.06 | somiaj | warsoul: looks like issues with an encrypted system, I have little experience here too |
| 23:32.23 | somiaj | kreyren: ahh yea, apt-get build-dep wine (if you have a deb-src line in your sources.list) will do the trick |
| 23:32.42 | kreyren | somiaj, yep building it now ^^ |
| 23:33.11 | somiaj | kreyren: note you might want to consider using a 32bit chroot (if you need a 32bit version of wine). Compling a true wine that supports both 32bit and 64bit in debian is a pain (last I looked into it, which I never cared to figure out). I would always just make my own 32bit only versions. |
| 23:34.17 | kreyren | somiaj, i need multilib only now and i should be able to fix the issue on my main OS in case i need 32-bit afaik on debian there is a way to do it, but i also never cared about it xD |
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| 23:45.03 | warsoul | somiaj, how can i fix it? |
| 23:46.02 | somiaj | I don't know, did you recentally change kernels, can you boot from an older kernel? |
| 23:46.14 | warsoul | i reboot the pc |
| 23:46.17 | warsoul | and boots fine |
| 23:46.21 | warsoul | that happens sometimes |
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| 23:46.27 | warsoul | havent done nothing |
| 23:46.31 | warsoul | just regular updates |
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| 23:46.55 | somiaj | so this happens only sometimes and if you reboot it works? |
| 23:47.01 | warsoul | yeah |
| 23:47.14 | somiaj | this almost sounds like a subtle hardware issue that sometimes triggers |
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| 23:47.21 | somiaj | I would at least test your memeory |
| 23:47.46 | annadane | the capital of portugal is lisbon |
| 23:48.09 | warsoul | somiaj, how do i do that? |
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| 23:50.20 | somiaj | !memtest86 |
| 23:50.20 | dpkg | To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. http://www.memtest86.com/ http://www.memtest.org/ http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ See also <grub2 badram>. |
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| 23:50.39 | somiaj | ,v memtest86+ |
| 23:50.40 | judd | Package: memtest86+ on amd64 -- jessie: 5.01-2; buster: 5.01-3; stretch: 5.01-3; bullseye: 5.01-3.1; sid: 5.01-3.1 |
| 23:50.55 | somiaj | should be able to just install memtest86+ and then when you boot, yo ushould see an option to run it in grub |
| 23:51.08 | somiaj | it should do multpile passes (I would run it while you are sleeping, this can take 8+ hours) |
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| 23:53.29 | warsoul | ok |
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| 23:53.43 | warsoul | somiaj, so just apt-get install memtest86+ |
| 23:53.44 | warsoul | ? |
| 23:53.48 | somiaj | correct |
| 23:54.07 | somiaj | (note I'm assuming you have x86/x86_64 system, if you are using arm or some other arch this may not work) |
| 23:54.22 | warsoul | somiaj, and if something is wrong will get fixed? |
| 23:54.35 | somiaj | no |
| 23:54.35 | warsoul | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.2 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz (800MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 30.6 GiB Total (29.7 GiB Free) Swap: 31.2 GiB Total (31.2 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 53.6 GB / 983.5 GB (929.9 GB Free) ⢠VGA: NVIDIA Corporation Atom processor C2000 SoC Transaction Router @ 8086:3e30 ⢠Uptime: 1h 1m 35s |
| 23:54.47 | somiaj | if you have bad memory, you'll have to replace it |
| 23:54.56 | warsoul | memories are new |
| 23:54.57 | somiaj | this will only tell you weither this issue is due to bad memeory or not |
| 23:54.58 | warsoul | both |
| 23:55.01 | somiaj | they can still be bad. |
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| 23:55.08 | warsoul | ok |
| 23:55.26 | somiaj | it could be something else, but if this only happens sometimes during boot, it to me sounds like hardware, could be bad memeory (it might not be, but testing it is the only way to be sure) |
| 23:55.52 | warsoul | ok im going to test it late before going to bed |
| 23:55.56 | warsoul | will let you know tomorrow |
| 23:56.04 | somiaj | it could also be some issue with your firmware (do you have any firmware upgrades from your computer's manufacture), it could also be due to some setting in your firmware, but I don't know enough to have much clue |
| 23:57.56 | warsoul | somiaj, that started happening couple of days ago |
| 23:58.09 | warsoul | havent done no firmware updates, etc. |
| 23:59.15 | somiaj | if you have done a recent kernel update, you can check older kernels, maybe there is some regression, again I don't really know what it could be |
| 23:59.42 | somiaj | I'm just going off of the "it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't" part which is often times more hardware and less software |
