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| 01:54.01 | myuser | hello |
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| 01:55.15 | myuser | I just bought a new PC that has UEFI and I am coming from BIOS. I would like to keep my existing install with the new hardware. Is there a way to convert my boot partition to ESP? |
| 01:55.41 | myuser | The boot partition is ext2 |
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| 02:01.20 | joepublic | a quick/dirty method may be to see whether your new pc's cmos setup allows switching boot between uefi and "legacy" or "bios mode" |
| 02:01.34 | joepublic | doesn't answer your question, I know, but... |
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| 02:12.13 | tomreyn | you /boot file system should not be converted into an ESP normally, but be kept separately (you could do it, but then you'd have to store the kernel + initrd on a FAT32 file system, which lacks modern file system features) |
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| 02:18.14 | joepublic | Congrats on the new pc |
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| 02:19.50 | myuser | So create another partition (say EFI) that will hold the efi info? |
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| 02:24.34 | tomreyn | myuser: it's a couple more steps really: https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/ |
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| 02:44.44 | myuser | tomreyn: thanks! |
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| 04:00.14 | odp | what's a good alternative to duplicity for simple backups? |
| 04:00.46 | josspyker | rsync |
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| 04:09.34 | sponix | warsoul: why would you bother, it is tiny |
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| 04:09.47 | warsoul | lol |
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| 04:11.33 | jusss | does debian provide an ISO version for virtualbox? |
| 04:11.53 | jusss | so we don't need to install it, just import it will be ok |
| 04:13.56 | Rodon | no login/notification sounds in xfce , how to enable it ? i have checked all notification/system sounds.. |
| 04:14.25 | joepublic | might try https://www.osboxes.org/debian/ |
| 04:14.42 | jusss | joepublic: downloading from it :) |
| 04:15.16 | jusss | Rodon: other sounds work? |
| 04:15.30 | joepublic | I use qemu, and just installed from the netinstall image |
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| 04:16.04 | jusss | joepublic: qemu, too many parameters... |
| 04:16.14 | Rodon | yes.. everything works smooth except notification sounds.. jusss |
| 04:16.34 | joepublic | Clarification, I use qemu through aqemu frontend |
| 04:17.17 | jusss | I heard that debian will contain a version without systemd? true? |
| 04:17.32 | joepublic | I have not heard that. |
| 04:17.32 | ksk | jusss: you can install sys-v-init if you so wish. |
| 04:17.34 | jusss | can we go back to system v init? |
| 04:17.56 | joepublic | noise aside, most people actually like systemd or are neutral. |
| 04:18.08 | jusss | ksk: and that will work on current version? |
| 04:18.08 | ksk | systemd is the default though, and there is no option to change that during install |
| 04:18.31 | jusss | systemd is already taking a lots of things I think |
| 04:18.36 | jusss | not just the init |
| 04:18.54 | joepublic | kind of a debian-offtopic subject |
| 04:18.54 | jusss | the sound, udev, even home... |
| 04:19.13 | ksk | ,i sysvinit-core |
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| 04:19.15 | judd | Package sysvinit-core (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: System-V-like init utilities. Version: 2.93-8; Size: 144.0k; Installed: 263k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit |
| 04:19.37 | ksk | its totally ontopic. and yes, it will work on buster |
| 04:19.55 | ksk | be aware that _some_ things might stop working though, as they depend on systemd and its features |
| 04:20.03 | ksk | and best wishes to the year 1990! |
| 04:20.13 | Rodon | gnome already adopted systemD in 3.34 ! |
| 04:20.17 | jusss | ksk: aha, then it's meaningless |
| 04:20.41 | jusss | Rodon: so we will have systemd-homed? |
| 04:20.57 | ksk | jusss: that has less to do with debian, but rather with upstream software. |
| 04:21.13 | Rodon | https://blogs.gnome.org/benzea/2019/10/01/gnome-3-34-is-now-managed-using-systemd/ |
| 04:21.34 | ksk | because the way things were before systemd were so great indeed.. |
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| 04:22.59 | jusss | there were upstart, sys-v-init, systemd three ways exist in that time when I was using ubuntu |
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| 04:23.43 | jusss | now only systemd... |
| 04:23.51 | ksk | !why systemd |
| 04:23.52 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) is still present in Debian 8-9. systemd-shim allows userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. See <jessie sysvinit> if you have to delay or wish to avoid using it. |
| 04:24.04 | jusss | I haven't tried openrc, it's a good choice? |
| 04:24.14 | ksk | I dont think we need to discuss wether systemd is nice or bad in there any further ;) |
| 04:24.21 | jusss | ok |
| 04:24.49 | ksk | the link from the debian mailing list has really good arguments, the guy seems to know his stuff if you asked me, so take a look if you are really interested |
| 04:24.54 | sony__ | hi all, does anyone know how can I get tails 32bits.iso? |
| 04:25.05 | ksk | he compared it to openrc and upstart if I remember correctly |
| 04:25.09 | ksk | !tails |
| 04:25.09 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:28.34 | sony__ | any clue guys? |
| 04:28.44 | joepublic | I suspect there is a clue around here somewhere |
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| 04:29.00 | ksk | sony__: eh? did you read what the bot says? |
| 04:29.10 | ksk | we support debian in here, not Tails. |
| 04:29.55 | sony__ | joepublic: hi |
| 04:29.57 | joepublic | I personally don't know where to find 32 bit tails |
| 04:30.52 | oiaohm | The idea of changing how gnome user session management was first done with upstart. |
| 04:31.04 | sony__ | ksk: who is that bot? |
| 04:31.34 | sony__ | ksk: is also from debian |
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| 04:31.45 | sony__ | ksk: tails is also from debian |
| 04:31.53 | ksk | sony__: but can you read? |
| 04:31.54 | sony__ | ksk: are you racist? |
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| 04:32.17 | joepublic | but I know where to go ask |
| 04:32.20 | sony__ | ksk: be cool man |
| 04:33.27 | joepublic | I would type !debian-based, but... |
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| 04:34.57 | oiaohm | Rodon: its not systemD. Its systemd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D There is a term you overlap with by capitalizing the D. |
| 04:36.24 | sony__ | ksk: in fact I already asked my question on #tails but it seems nobody there |
| 04:37.18 | joepublic | honestly, tails is not debian, and "#tails on irc.oftc.net" is the extent of our knowledge on the matter. |
| 04:37.54 | oiaohm | jusss: openrc has the possibility of being good in time. Where items like sysvinit, upstart... most of the historic init/service management are basically broken. Lot were not design to deal with the fact Linux kernel recycles PID or allows processors to change what they are associated with,. |
| 04:38.39 | oiaohm | Its really impressive that Linux got as far as it did with totally busted service and process management. |
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| 04:56.22 | roue__ | hola |
| 04:57.41 | roue__ | I'm running debian 9 and am trying to use a Google 2 factor auth token ( usb c, "title" ). I've added a udev rule for it as I've seen in various placed online, but it still gets detected as a HID device rather than the FIDO two factor it's supposed to ( and two factor login doesn't work with firefox ). |
| 04:57.52 | roue__ | Has anyone here gotten one of these to work on Debian? |
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| 04:59.02 | BazookaTooth | jusss: you know about devuan right? no reason not to play around with openrc on that if you are just curious. most people that don't have a genuine reason to avoid systemd have grown to ignore the noise |
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| 05:04.24 | nyov | roue__: did you just add some udev rule from the internet, or have you checked that they match your device? |
| 05:05.22 | sony__ | gn |
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| 05:07.46 | roue__ | nyov I did. |
| 05:08.14 | roue__ | and they match the idVendor=1050, idProduct=0121 that dmesg shows me. |
| 05:08.43 | roue__ | I also installed libu2f-host0 which effectively did the same thing. |
| 05:08.55 | roue__ | (though it was missing my product id) |
| 05:09.16 | roue__ | I've run udevadm config --reload as well |
| 05:09.22 | roue__ | but I haven't rebooted. |
| 05:09.33 | nyov | shouldn't be needed |
| 05:10.43 | roue__ | regardless of what I've but in the /etc/udev/rules.d/titan.rules , it always detects it as a HID device. |
| 05:10.46 | nyov | what does dmesg say about it when it's plugged in? |
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| 05:12.18 | roue__ | https://pastebin.com/xDJM6EKL |
| 05:13.00 | roue__ | my udev rule is |
| 05:13.01 | roue__ | KERNEL=="hidraw*", SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1050", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0113|0114|0115|0116|0120|0121|0402|0403|0406|0407|0410", GROUP="plugdev", MODE="0660" |
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| 05:15.22 | nyov | uh, you're matching on subsystem hidraw. how would it not be a hid device then? what is it supposed to be detected as? |
| 05:17.32 | roue__ | I was expecting something like UTF to be in the dmesg. |
| 05:17.35 | nyov | roue__: where did you grab that udev rule from, can I see that? |
| 05:17.42 | roue__ | maybe it's detected fine and the browser is broken. |
| 05:18.01 | roue__ | https://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/YubiKey4 |
| 05:19.12 | nyov | roue__: I'd try using it with commandline tools, to check |
| 05:19.31 | nyov | python-yubico-tools seems to do that |
| 05:20.03 | roue__ | thanks. I'll take a look. |
| 05:20.57 | nyov | it would make sense to me to be detected as a hid class device. But I don't know it, so I can't say if it works as intended there or not |
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| 05:22.34 | roue__ | i started firefox in safe mode and after one failure it seems like it's working. |
| 05:22.44 | roue__ | Maybe a browser extension is interfering. Thanks for your help. |
| 05:22.55 | nyov | no problem |
| 05:24.50 | nyov | roue__: the udev rules on that page btw don't have anything about SUBSYSTEM=="hidraw" |
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| 05:25.45 | roue__ | Okay, it seems to be working reliably now. |
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| 06:15.33 | wikan | hi. is anyone use nftables? As I see skuid doesn't work and it would be great if somebody could check it? |
| 06:16.07 | wikan | even "skuid 0 counter"; does nothing :| |
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| 06:34.17 | wikan | why modprobe gives me a list of modules but modprobe results with "not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-686-pae" and I don't have /lib/modules directory at all ? |
| 06:35.18 | somiaj | You must have done something to not have a /lib/modules directory |
| 06:35.45 | somiaj | did it get deleted, do you have any kernel packages actually isntalled, 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' |
| 06:36.22 | wikan | somiaj - no results |
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| 06:36.35 | somiaj | you have uninstalled all your kernels for some reason, install one |
| 06:36.39 | wikan | i am working on lxc |
| 06:36.54 | wikan | maybe it is why |
| 06:37.00 | somiaj | your host should have the kernels, but you should be modprobing there, not in the container |
| 06:37.13 | jm_ | I somehow doubt you can use modprobe in container |
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| 06:37.22 | jm_ | right, too slow :) |
| 06:37.24 | somiaj | but yea, the container isn't going to have access to the hosts kernel afiak (I'm not that familar with lxc, but using modprobe in a container seems wrong) |
| 06:37.58 | wikan | ok, so to use nftables under lxc I have to install it on host? |
| 06:38.08 | wikan | because I need meta module |
| 06:38.22 | somiaj | why you doing firewalling inside the container, shouldn't this be the hosts job? |
| 06:38.31 | wikan | because I am learning |
| 06:38.39 | wikan | i do not want break my host :D |
| 06:38.50 | wikan | i need websites ;) |
| 06:38.53 | somiaj | I'm not that familar with this, but I think you want a full vm vs a container for this type of thing |
| 06:39.07 | somiaj | probably have better luck testing thigns that way |
| 06:39.13 | wikan | i cant |
| 06:39.23 | wikan | i can't install any vm here |
| 06:39.40 | wikan | not supported :( |
| 06:40.02 | wikan | maybe qemu but qemu sucks |
| 06:40.06 | somiaj | I'm unsure how nftables is going to work inside an lxc container, maybe do some more research |
| 06:40.09 | BazookaTooth | extreme firejail profiles don't work? |
| 06:40.18 | somiaj | I like qemu, though I use it with kvm |
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| 06:40.30 | wikan | qemu is soooo slow on my host |
| 06:40.42 | somiaj | probably don't have the kvm extensions enabled/loaded |
| 06:41.04 | jm_ | yeah, without that it's going to be slow |
| 06:41.09 | wikan | qemu would tell me about that |
| 06:41.19 | wikan | so I have |
| 06:41.23 | wikan | never mind |
| 06:41.29 | somiaj | no, qemu will just use software emulation if they aren't loaded |
| 06:41.46 | jm_ | try loading kvm-intel or kvm-amd, depending on hardware |
| 06:42.07 | pingfloyd | enable vt-x/vt-d in your bios |
| 06:42.26 | wikan | i don't have hardware virtualization |
| 06:42.32 | pingfloyd | that's why it's slow |
| 06:42.43 | somiaj | usually it is disabled in the firmware, so you can turn it on then have it |
| 06:42.47 | wikan | virtualbox was fast |
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| 06:42.58 | pingfloyd | best you'll get with without virt extentions, is using vbox |
| 06:43.23 | pingfloyd | vmware will perform even better than vbox in these cases |
| 06:43.28 | somiaj | even then you'll have to compile a third party module which are similar things. |
| 06:43.53 | wikan | so you telling me I should not use lxc for learning nftables? |
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| 06:43.59 | wikan | nftables works almost fine |
| 06:44.06 | pingfloyd | no |
| 06:44.08 | wikan | but I can't use meta module |
| 06:44.16 | pingfloyd | what's lxc got to do with anything? |
| 06:44.28 | wikan | kernel modules |
| 06:44.37 | somiaj | I'm unsure how nftables is goign to work inside a container, I was just thinking a full vm will be better testing |
| 06:44.48 | wikan | maybe |
| 06:44.55 | pingfloyd | why do you need any of that for nftables to begin with? |
| 06:45.10 | wikan | i need skuid |
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| 06:46.34 | wikan | and what is funny - nftables doesn't tell me "error: skuid not supported!". nftables loads rules but rules doesn't work |
| 06:47.07 | wikan | so i THINK it is because meta module is not loaded |
| 06:47.16 | wikan | but I even don't know the name of this module LOL |
| 06:47.36 | wikan | maybe it is loaded but will not work under lxc |
| 06:47.42 | wikan | who knows |
| 06:47.53 | somiaj | nftables is kernel level, the container shares a kernel with the host, so I don't see nftables restricting itself to just the container, hence a full vm |
| 06:48.24 | wikan | well I don't have nftables on host |
| 06:48.30 | wikan | so it is restricted |
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| 06:49.10 | pingfloyd | why not install it? |
| 06:49.15 | wikan | i used iptables for example with namespaces and every namespace has it's own iptables |
| 06:49.34 | wikan | iptables rules of course |
| 06:49.59 | wikan | so there is separation for namespaces, so why not for lxc |
| 06:50.01 | somiaj | hmm, found a post of someone using this inside an lxc container, maybe you need to load the modules on the kernel level to let host use them. |
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| 06:50.33 | wikan | ok, so i will switch to nftables on host |
| 06:50.48 | wikan | it is hell :| |
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| 06:51.07 | wikan | thanks for suggestion |
| 06:51.16 | somiaj | so I guess it is possible, but not finding any 'this is how to set it up', the post I found said the defaults work |
| 06:52.00 | wikan | true |
| 06:52.04 | wikan | defaults work |
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| 06:52.37 | somiaj | The post I found they were using debian 10, but nftables on the host, then they could them in the container too |
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| 06:53.27 | wikan | so defaults works on lxc without installing on host |
| 06:53.29 | wikan | :) |
| 06:53.53 | wikan | now I will try to install on host and we will se if modules will work on lcx |
| 06:54.17 | wikan | but first - break |
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| 07:39.00 | wikan | yep |
| 07:39.31 | wikan | nftables works under lxc but is not fully supported |
| 07:39.54 | wikan | on my host skuid works fine, and the same on lxc is not |
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| 07:51.06 | wikan | i know what is going on ;) |
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| 07:51.31 | wikan | nftable must use HOST ids not mapped to lxc |
| 07:52.02 | wikan | so not 0, 100, etc, but 10000, 10100, 10009, etc |
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| 08:03.46 | Guest79822 | hi |
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| 08:04.48 | wikan | hi |
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| 08:06.02 | Guest79822 | why sddm show blank screen? when I try a test output is : sddm-greeter: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb-xkb.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 08:06.30 | Guest79822 | by whereis this file exist! |
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| 08:07.16 | jm_ | which version of debian is that? |
| 08:07.33 | Guest79822 | I'm not a deb user |
| 08:07.58 | jm_ | so what exactly are you using? |
| 08:08.13 | Guest79822 | Slackware 14.2 x86-64 |
| 08:08.27 | jm_ | then try asking in a slackware channel |
| 08:08.45 | jm_ | ##slackware apparently |
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| 08:15.04 | rander2 | hello |
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| 08:21.27 | rander2 | I don't understand why this command dont perform udp scan: hping3 -2 -8 53 8.8.8.8 |
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| 08:39.51 | jelly | rander2: how do you know it does not do anything, maybe it does things but no traffic is returned? |
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| 08:40.33 | jelly | rander2: set up your own dns server, scan that, and inspect traffic on the server end. Maybe don't scan other people's services without permission. |
| 08:41.18 | rander2 | no traffic is returned, and the port is opened |
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| 08:42.27 | jelly | if the traffic goes out, then the tool is doing its thing. Whether any traffic will be returned depends on the other end. |
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| 08:44.11 | jelly | rander2: well written udp services don't return any traffic they don't recognize, that's fine |
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| 08:46.04 | rander2 | jelly, if the port is opened could be return icmp destination unreachable |
| 08:46.30 | rander2 | nmap -Pn -p 53 -sU 8.8.8.8 go |
| 08:47.04 | jelly | why? what does "port is open" mean with an udp service (not a firewall)? |
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| 08:49.36 | rander2 | basically the scan go with nmap, but not with hping3 |
| 08:49.55 | jelly | rander2: are you sure? if a network element (a server) accepts a udp packet and decides not to do anything with it, you will see exactly the same behaviour as if the packet was dropped. |
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| 08:51.29 | jelly | rander2: if nmap says state is "open|filtered" it means it could not figure out whether it was "open" (I'll assume that means "accepted), or "filtered" (dropped and ignored) |
| 08:51.31 | rander2 | jelly, I do the same thing with nmap and hping3, but with nmap responde, hping3 no |
| 08:51.57 | jelly | rander2: what does nmap REALLY say? Which debian release and nmap release is this? |
| 08:53.10 | rander2 | nPORT STATE SERVICE |
| 08:53.10 | rander2 | 53/udp open domain |
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| 08:54.18 | rander2 | deb buster amd64 |
| 08:54.25 | jelly | rander2: and do you see any traffic actually returning? |
| 08:54.51 | rander2 | yes, i sniff with wireshark |
| 08:55.11 | jelly | inspect outgoing traffic to see if what nmap and hping3 do is really the same. |
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| 08:56.30 | rander2 | nmap send udp server status request |
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| 09:00.36 | jelly | my own dns recursors return nothing in both cases, and I don't own 8.8.8.8 so I'm not going to scan that |
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| 09:23.13 | Elirips | since when has debian started to release a new distro so often? It feels like I have to do a dist-upgrade every week ;) |
| 09:23.53 | jm_ | what? no |
| 09:25.10 | sillyslux__ | do you have to dist-upgrade to get from 10.1 to 10.2 or is that covered by apt-get update/install? |
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| 09:26.35 | Elirips | my strecht is oldstable now, and it feels i just upgraded to it from etch |
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| 09:28.11 | Elirips | or was it jessie, i dont remember exactly |
| 09:28.12 | sillyslux__ | oh yes, 10 years go by in an blink of an eye |
| 09:28.20 | Elirips | I have become old |
| 09:28.27 | sillyslux__ | there was also woody |
| 09:28.32 | Elirips | feels sad now |
| 09:28.32 | sillyslux__ | after etch, i think |
| 09:28.45 | Elirips | wasnt woody before sarge? |
| 09:29.06 | Elirips | or what was the one with kde 2 |
| 09:29.19 | Elirips | that even run on a 486dx2 :D |
| 09:29.31 | sillyslux__ | oh shht yes |
| 09:29.34 | Fox | woody -> sarge -> etch |
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| 09:32.03 | nvz | bo rex buzz slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch buster bullseye bookworm sid rcbuggy |
| 09:32.59 | nvz | started with potato |
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| 09:33.35 | nvz | forgot hamm |
| 09:33.47 | nvz | hamm comes before slink |
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| 09:34.36 | nvz | bo rex buzz hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny squeeze wheezy jessie stretch buster bullseye bookworm sid rcbuggy, are the codenames used so far in order |
| 09:35.13 | jm_ | i still have bo CD-s |
| 09:36.23 | BazookaTooth | k, shit is fuckind weird then |
| 09:37.01 | BazookaTooth | ss gotcha joke somewhere |
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| 09:39.58 | jelly | dpkg: release history |
| 09:39.58 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 09:40.24 | Paddy^ | shows off his Potato CDs |
| 09:40.55 | BazookaTooth | yeah.. anyone that even like sneezes near debian knows the name referecne. thank you tho :) |
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| 09:44.59 | mrjpaxton | Oh yeah, I almost forgot about rcbuggy/experimental. Thankfully the packages I've installed from there on to unstable haven't nuked my system yet. :) |
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| 09:45.23 | BazookaTooth | please get me away from this |
| 09:46.28 | mrjpaxton | Can you make a CD from a potato anyway? |
| 09:46.36 | BazookaTooth | the old ones yes |
| 09:47.00 | BazookaTooth | can still make like redhat 2.0 crap |
| 09:47.14 | BazookaTooth | why? |
| 09:47.23 | mrjpaxton | I mean a real potato, not "potato PC" |
| 09:47.39 | BazookaTooth | there are some really old images still up so.. |
| 09:47.52 | mrjpaxton | Lol. |
| 09:47.58 | Paddy^ | maybe you need a floppy disk to boot the potato cd |
| 09:48.10 | BazookaTooth | ^ that shit |
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| 11:05.36 | ratrace | Been trying to google this, but all I get is a ton of useless tutorials :: what is handling the crypttab option "swap"? I don't see it managed by initramfs scripts, so I'm guessing perhaps systemd is? |
| 11:10.19 | ws2k3 | so i have a debian 8 machine and a debian 9 machine. both have php-pear installed but on debian 8 isee php-pear/now 5.6.38+dfsg-0+deb8u1 all [installed,local] and on debian 9 i see php-pear/unknown,now 1:1.10.9+submodules+notgz-1+0~20191010.12+debian9~1.gbp296d25 all [installed,automatic] also on debian 9 the folder /usr/share/pear doesnt exsist. and i expected some folders to be in there |
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| 11:47.23 | ws2k3 | so i have a debian 8 machine and a debian 9 machine. both have php-pear installed but on debian 8 isee php-pear/now 5.6.38+dfsg-0+deb8u1 all [installed,local] and on debian 9 i see php-pear/unknown,now 1:1.10.9+submodules+notgz-1+0~20191010.12+debian9~1.gbp296d25 all [installed,automatic] also on debian 9 the folder /usr/share/pear doesnt exsist. and i expected some folders to be in there |
| 11:47.34 | ws2k3 | anyone an idea what this could be? |
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| 11:50.08 | jm_ | ws2k3: what exactly are you asking about? I still have no clue even after reading this the second time |
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| 11:53.34 | ws2k3 | jm_ the folder /usr/share/pear is missing on debian 9 |
| 11:53.43 | ws2k3 | and i need some extension that should be in that folder |
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| 11:54.19 | jm_ | ws2k3: that directory does not appear to be in any debian 9 package (at least in section main) |
| 11:54.48 | jm_ | sorry I meant debian 8 |
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| 11:55.57 | DrOwl | try a "dpkg -S /usr/share/pear" |
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| 11:58.28 | ws2k3 | DrOwl both machine return nothing found |
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| 12:00.32 | DrOwl | you migth need to select one of the files in that path, this is just trying to find out where that path came from as jm_ said its not in a standard package |
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| 12:02.12 | DrOwl | but nothing found could imply the path was not created by any package |
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| 12:13.27 | ws2k3 | DrOwl so... was it manualy copied to there or? |
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| 12:18.50 | Elirips | druing upgrading to buster, dbconfig-common failed for roundcube. Can I try to re-run this process, now that the rest of the upgrade is fine? |
| 12:19.46 | bzed | Elirips: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 12:19.58 | jm_ | dbconfig-common failed how? postinst? then the above will re-run it |
| 12:20.08 | bzed | Elirips: or - if that succeeds - dpkg-reconfigure -plow roundcube |
| 12:20.41 | Elirips | hm, all of that succeeds |
| 12:21.10 | Elirips | it said something that upgrading the db failed (failed to connecto to db, probably because mysql was no longer running at that time), and i chose to ignore |
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| 12:53.42 | Elirips | I'm still struggling with roundcube: Roundcube reading works, but sending fails with 'Smtp Auth failure'. Looking at a peer-log of postfix, I see that there is not AUTH PLAIN (or similar) request from roundcube, compared to working clients |
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| 13:04.13 | jelly | Elirips: either roundcube needs to be configured for SMTP AUTH (do this), or postfix configured to trust and allow mail from roundcube's IP address without authentication (don't do this) |
| 13:05.17 | Elirips | jelly: thanks. I just see in the roundcube logs that starttls fails, and looking at postfix it seems like roundcube terminates the connection, so i think it might be that roundcube thinks some cert is invalid |
| 13:05.25 | Elirips | what would make sense, as roundcube connectos to localhost |
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| 13:06.19 | Elirips | indeed, that was the problem |
| 13:06.41 | Elirips | not using localhost, but the domain-name (together with tls make things work) |
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| 13:12.12 | DrOwl | ws2k3: I would just be guessing could be manualy or some mechenisem employed by what ever manages packages for pear |
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| 13:39.02 | Emery | I seem to be having an issue with my touchpad, it responds when it wants to, and when it does it's very slow. I've checked my mouse preferences changed the speed and accel to full, still the same problem. |
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| 13:42.25 | diogenes_ | Emery, apt list --installed | grep xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 13:42.26 | nyov | Emery: that's an issue very hard to debug remotely. especially without any additional info |
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| 13:45.50 | Emery | diogenes_, I have it installed |
| 13:51.41 | diogenes_ | Emery, then try without it, sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 13:51.52 | diogenes_ | it's gonna be using libinput instead. |
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| 13:52.06 | Emery | I assume that needs a reboot? |
| 13:52.22 | Emery | I've just plugged in a mouse and don't face the same issue |
| 13:52.55 | diogenes_ | Emery, yes a reboot. |
| 13:55.23 | nyov | or change to runlevel 1 and back... oh wait. no more runlevels with systemd |
| 13:55.41 | nyov | 2 even |
| 13:55.45 | diogenes_ | :) |
| 13:57.14 | nyov | (but surely there's an equivalent, right? a group of daemons I want to have started together?) |
| 13:58.43 | diogenes_ | nyov, they are called targets now. |
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| 14:01.58 | nyov | thanks |
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| 14:16.26 | sony__ | hi all |
| 14:16.43 | sony__ | hi al, does anyone know alternative to anonymous bootable usb? |
| 14:17.55 | jelly | never even heard of "anonymous bootable usb" at all |
| 14:18.44 | sony__ | jelly: haven't you heard about tails? |
| 14:18.52 | jelly | tails yes. |
| 14:18.53 | nyov | hahaha |
| 14:19.07 | diogenes_ | lol that's not anonymously bootable usb :) |
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| 14:20.07 | sony__ | diogenes_: do you know anonymous one or alternative to tails? |
| 14:20.20 | nyov | anonymously bootable usb - how to boot from usb without the system noticing? |
| 14:20.25 | diogenes_ | sony__, there are such projects as cubes os, parrot, mofolinux and a few others. |
| 14:21.21 | diogenes_ | forgot to add whonix to the list. |
| 14:21.47 | sony__ | nyov: that's what that say here :https://tails.boum.org/ |
| 14:21.52 | nyov | I think it's not strictly qubes os, but whonix, right? |
| 14:22.09 | nyov | sony__: I'm aware of tails. why do look for an alternative? |
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| 14:23.40 | diogenes_ | nyov, qubes and whonix are different distros. |
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| 14:24.11 | nyov | oh, okay. I thought qubes brought the whonix as a VM for the tor stuff |
| 14:24.40 | nyov | didn't think it had the "anonymous bootable usb" itself |
| 14:25.23 | Haohmaru | i've told my computer not to talk to strangers |
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| 14:25.52 | sony__ | nyov: useful with persistence but it requires =+8GO and tor installed |
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| 14:29.19 | sony__ | diogenes_: do you think that qubes, parrot os mofolinux are reliable as it aims preserving privacy than tails? |
| 14:31.19 | sony__ | diogenes_:do you think that qubes, parrot os mofolinux are reliable as it aims preserving privacy anad anonymity than tails? |
| 14:31.47 | sony__ | sorry for repetition |
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| 14:34.27 | nyov | Is there a short command that prints me the absolute path of a file, like `abspath ../../somewhere/else`? |
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| 14:35.03 | apathor | nyov: realpath |
| 14:38.11 | abrotman | IIRC, readlink -f |
| 14:38.26 | nyov | awesome, thanks |
| 14:42.25 | nyov | interesting that they're both coreutils |
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| 14:46.48 | sony__ | diogenes_: are you still there? |
| 14:47.28 | sony__ | nobody home? |
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| 14:57.23 | Mocramis | Is there a way to get debootstrap to add a strech-backports to the sources.list ? |
| 14:59.43 | Paddy^ | echo "your repo magic" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:04.23 | Orion] | how can I add a failover ip in debian 10? |
| 15:04.37 | Orion] | unsure where to find the network config file that I need to edit |
| 15:04.38 | Mocramis | Paddy^: yeah, just wanted to know if there was another way, but i falled back on it. thanks ! |
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| 15:09.56 | gvth | Hi; is it possible to list the articles on wiki.debian.org sorted by popylarity? |
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| 15:14.28 | nkuttler | popularity? |
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| 16:35.20 | cccccccc | I'm using apticron - https://packages.debian.org/buster/apticron . I specified my e-mail address in /etc/apticron/apticron.conf but it's not a local email to the server. How is the email being sent? Hopefully it doesn't get spam filtered by my email provider |
| 16:35.56 | cccccccc | EMAIL="my@email.com" NOTIFY_NEW="1" CUSTOM_SUBJECT="System updates." CUSTOM_NO_UPDATES_SUBJECT="System updates - no updates." is my conf |
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| 16:38.20 | avu | cccccccc: typically, programs where you don't enter SMTP data will use (send)mail to send mail, which is provided by the MTA you have installed and which behaves according to that MTA's configuration |
| 16:38.57 | cccccccc | any idea what the e-mail address would appear as in my inbox? |
| 16:39.03 | cccccccc | if out of the box i didn't configure anything |
| 16:39.18 | avu | what MTA do you have installed? |
| 16:42.26 | cccccccc | exim4 3752 Debian-exim 3u IPv4 49728 0t0 TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN) exim4 3752 Debian-exim 4u IPv6 49729 0t0 TCP ip6-localhost:smtp (LISTEN) |
| 16:42.38 | cccccccc | sec sorry |
| 16:42.53 | cccccccc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:43.12 | cccccccc | exim4 |
| 16:44.47 | jelly | cccccccc: it'd be username@long.host.name by default |
| 16:45.09 | cccccccc | that works for me :) thanks hopefully my email provider doesn't block it hah |
| 16:45.52 | tomreyn | the FROM address will likely consist of system user name which runs apticron @ $(cat /etc/mailname || dnsdomainname -f) |
| 16:45.59 | jelly | dunno what exim4 does by default, if you're unlucky with postfix, it can also be just <username> not <username@long.host.name> which gets blocked in most places |
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| 16:46.42 | jelly | and if long.host.name does not have an A or AAAA or MX record, that can be a cause for blocking as well |
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| 16:48.35 | tomreyn | if configuring / managing an outbound-only mail server seems like something you'd prefer not to do, maybe configuring a nullmailer type software would be more suitable. |
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| 16:50.53 | zodd | cccccccc, if using exim: exim -bt <emailaddress> gives tells you how it will be routed |
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| 16:51.59 | cccccccc | great idea maybe I should force a test email to see what happens |
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| 17:01.34 | Akuw | i have a debian distro in a pen drive and want to create a virtual machine with that |
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| 17:06.28 | Uter | YOUR CALCULATIONS ARE WRONG ASSHOLES ALL OF YOU |
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| 17:12.25 | Logg | Akuw, it'll depend on your virtual machine software, but you can sometimes use usb passthrough to accomplish that. It would be easier to just download a new iso from debian.org though. |
| 17:14.08 | NetTerminalGene | does xfce work with wayland on buster? |
| 17:14.43 | Akuw | Logg: i am using kvm |
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| 17:18.20 | Logg | Akuw, maybe try searching for "KVM usb redirector boot". I'm gonna say again though it'd just be easier to download a new iso if you're able to. |
| 17:19.21 | gvth | nkuttler: yes, by popylarity. I mean to list those pages first, which have the highest clickrate |
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| 17:25.54 | cccccc | zodd: is undeliverable: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 17:26.03 | cccccc | that didn't go well hah |
| 17:26.58 | zodd | cccccc, reconfig exim |
| 17:27.13 | zodd | it will ask you what kind of host you want it to be |
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| 17:27.58 | cccccc | smarthost? |
| 17:28.12 | cccccc | mail sent by smarthost; no local mail |
| 17:28.20 | cccccc | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail |
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| 17:29.23 | zodd | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:29.41 | zodd | depends on your needs/desires |
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| 17:32.05 | cccccc | echo "This is a test." | mail -s Testing mail@address.com to send a test email, correct? |
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| 17:37.01 | jelly | yes |
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| 17:56.03 | CaptainShell | Is the Mozilla Public License considered free software suitable for Debian distributions? |
| 17:57.41 | sponix | CaptainShell: well, Firefox-esr ships with it. So ? |
| 17:57.43 | nkuttler | CaptainShell: https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#Mozilla_Public_License_.28MPL.29 |
| 17:57.57 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#Mozilla_Public_License_.28MPL.29 |
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| 18:14.52 | hesco | trying to debug a postfix server, ps says that master and other expected processes are running. netstat shows master listening at port 25. but my attempt to use mailx to run a test through the system hangs indefinitely, until interrupted with kill. Does mailx simply drop its outbound on port 25? Or am I misunderstanding how this test should work? |
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| 18:26.20 | annadane | is WINE in stable frozen, but then wine-development continues to track upstream? |
| 18:27.53 | abrotman | z/win 1 |
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| 18:31.23 | GenTooMan | any suggestions on how to get tap to be a left mouse click on a lenovo touchpad. The pad works the dmesg was "input: Elan Touchpad as /devices/platform/AMDI0010:00/i2c-0/i2cELAN0628:00/input/input7". However I can generate a left click by taping which makes the pad useless. |
| 18:31.49 | GenTooMan | can == can't |
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| 18:38.36 | dysfigured | is there a better way to list installed packages than eg `dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2=="install"{print $1}'` |
| 18:39.09 | somiaj | depends on what you want to do with a list |
| 18:39.14 | somiaj | I personally like 'dpkg -l' |
| 18:39.26 | somiaj | you can also use aptitude search ~i |
| 18:39.51 | dysfigured | i want to make a script (using fzf) select packages installed on the system and then uninstall them |
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| 18:40.14 | somiaj | dysfigured: why? What is your actually goal |
| 18:40.23 | somiaj | yo udon't want to install all packages |
| 18:40.33 | dysfigured | no, hence using fzf to interactively pick them |
| 18:40.36 | somiaj | I mean uninstall all packages, but you can revert to a normal system (uninstall all optiaonl apckages) |
| 18:40.56 | somiaj | I think aptitude can do a lot of this for you, it gives a curses ui you can use to select stuff to remove |
| 18:42.25 | dysfigured | so, here's this script i've made for arch, and now i'm trying to expand it to work on debian as well https://asciinema.org/a/iA99rIkJmriV8xzoldxes39Ux |
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| 18:43.48 | tharkun | Good $DAY. When installing debian I used to have the problem of reverting the usb stick to its original state. Looking once again to the documentation and reading that cp debian.iso /dev/sdX will make a bootable image on the usb. I have the doubt on how to make an image of the existing information on the usb memory so I can achieve the same result after installing debian so I get the appropiate usability of the usb again. |
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| 18:45.39 | rander2 | hello |
| 18:45.47 | nvz | tharkun: do you actually want the data thats on the drive, or do you just want it usable again? |
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| 18:49.09 | tharkun | nvz: usable again. I have the data allready backedup but if I can make an image of it and then restore it I skip a lot of steps on the process. |
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| 18:50.44 | dysfigured | tharkun: so you want to, rsync/xz the usb, dd/cp the iso to the usb, and then rsync/xz the original data on the usb back again? |
| 18:51.24 | dysfigured | which part are you having problem with? restoring the backup? |
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| 18:52.53 | humbot | that way you'd lose the partition table though |
| 18:53.54 | dysfigured | so dd instead of rsync/xz |
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| 18:54.33 | dysfigured | tharkun: have you tried dd at all |
| 18:54.48 | tharkun | dysfigured: That is my goal. The first part is obtaining the dd from the usb. The rest is more or less beaten path. |
| 18:55.33 | tharkun | dysfigured: I expected to find a new tool. dd has been the way I've walked that path before. |
| 18:55.44 | dysfigured | dd if=/dev/sdX of=/your/backup/path.img status=progress |
| 18:56.10 | dysfigured | might need fine tuning with a `bs` option |
| 18:56.17 | dysfigured | eg bs=4m |
| 18:56.53 | dysfigured | swap around if and of as needed |
| 18:56.54 | tharkun | dysfigured: Ok, no new tools on this part for the moment. Guess my old scripts will have to suffice. |
| 18:57.17 | dysfigured | i personally don't know of anything better |
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| 18:59.32 | joepublic | would be great if there was a tool that looked at the size of the usb stick and wrote just those bytes necessary for it to look like an empty FAT32 usb stick |
| 19:00.13 | joepublic | I wonder if you could dd the first n bytes. |
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| 19:04.27 | nvz | I have a bash/zenity script I made for writing isos to usb that could be modified to suit |
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| 19:06.23 | nvz | http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/iso.txt |
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| 19:08.59 | nvz | tharkun: all you need to do to make it usable again is mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX |
| 19:09.26 | nvz | tharkun: though partitioning it wouldn't be a bad idea, but that is the simplest way to do it |
| 19:09.33 | joepublic | nvz: uh, really, just mkfs.fat /theusbstick ??? |
| 19:09.34 | humbot | all you need to dd out for a backup is the size of the iso you'll be writing in |
| 19:09.51 | joepublic | I am gonna try that right now |
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| 19:10.14 | nvz | joepublic: its always a good idea to use a partition.. cause tools that would attempt to modify the MBR or partition table would damage the filesystem that way |
| 19:10.29 | nvz | joepublic: but yes, you can just make a filesystem without a partition |
| 19:10.40 | tharkun | nvz: small usb stick so no need for that, besides windows and mac have had a rough time looking into partitions. |
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| 19:11.20 | somiaj | tharkun: I don't quite understand your question, the installer won't mess with the usb image during the install, so you can just use it again. |
| 19:12.03 | somiaj | tharkun: oh wait, sorry, yea just put a new partition table on it, then use mkfs to put a file system on it, such as mkfs.ext4 for a ext4 file system, though most like vfat or exfat for usb drives |
| 19:12.46 | somiaj | in the future you could also 'cp /dev/sdX usbackup.img', then copy the usbbackup.img back to the drive once done |
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| 19:14.28 | tharkun | That is my goal :) |
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| 19:15.00 | joepublic | holy zark. in about 2 seconds, mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdi turned an installer usb stick into a big fat usb stick. |
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| 19:15.16 | joepublic | I wish i had known this years ago |
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| 19:17.33 | nyov | supersized! heh, is it still removeable from the usb port then? |
| 19:18.08 | somiaj | though it is often best to make a single partition and do /dev/sdi1 as mentioned above |
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| 19:20.18 | joepublic | it was a tight fit, but it came out. "big" meaning the whole disk as opposed to the size of the installer image. sorry, i got excited |
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| 19:20.59 | joepublic | i can throw away my collection of dd images of various empty usbsticks |
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| 19:22.22 | nvz | @.@ |
| 19:22.49 | nvz | I normally just use gparted to format them.. I sure wouldnt image an empty disk |
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| 19:24.46 | nvz | I was contemplating making a script to convert a virtualbox image to raw, mount it, then convert it back.. cause old OSes like Win3.11 would be difficult or impossible to use file sharing between the guest and host and it'd be a waste of space to leave a raw image |
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| 19:55.44 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: why are you asking? i'm only aware of setting the method when querying |
| 19:56.55 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: if you check the dig man page there are some protocol limitations e.g. per type |
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| 20:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: Security has blocked TCP on 53. For some reason, regular DNS works fine (over UDP), but something about the RDNS response causes it to switch to TCP. |
| 20:00.53 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: Presumably it's the size of the response, but why would forward fit and reverse fail? |
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| 20:03.48 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: you might want to ask in ##networking |
| 20:05.05 | jhutchins_wk | K, thx. |
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| 20:19.10 | giantmidget | hey lads |
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| 20:21.15 | kintarowonders | Uhm, I want to find out why I am getting RTNETLINK answers: File exists - want more verbose logging with networking.service |
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| 20:22.43 | giantmidget | had a question on permissions - i have a permissions error (13) opening a raw socket, even if i run the program as root. I know that there's some command I need to run, some permission to add to allow the root user to run raw sockets, as I had another debian install where this worked for me, but i forgot the command i ran |
| 20:23.36 | greycat | I... don't think you need to do anything if you're already root. errno 13 usually refers to file system permissions. |
| 20:24.14 | nyov | jhutchins_wk: https://serverfault.com/questions/404840/when-do-dns-queries-use-tcp-instead-of-udp |
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| 20:24.29 | greycat | Even as root, you will get "Permission denied" (13) if you try to execute a file that doesn't have execute perms, for instance. |
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| 20:25.07 | giantmidget | greycat yes, I realize it sounds stupid, but nevertheless this is the case. I had to modify some perrmission to get this to work on my other install, even as root |
| 20:25.55 | nyov | jhutchins_wk: also https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7766#section-5 |
| 20:26.16 | giantmidget | I just can't remember the damn permission |
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| 20:49.53 | POLK | hi, struggling a bit with oracle java(>=8) installation to stretch. all the manuals result in errors on apt-get install oracle-java<ver#>-installer. If anyone has the correct steps(manual) to get it install, please share |
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| 21:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | nyov: It's pretty obvious that the problem is that RDNS replies are exceeding the 512 byte limit, but when I do one from my desktop it's only 83 bytes. |
| 21:02.50 | rander2 | https://paste.debian.net/1121590/ |
| 21:03.36 | rander2 | this script give me error, I don't understand. It go correctly from prompt. The wish path is correct |
| 21:05.05 | rander2 | It go from the prompt, it go with wish 2_2.tcl, but not as ./2_2.tcl ; # where is the error ? |
| 21:05.06 | nyov | jhutchins_wk: maybe your local query does not ask for DNSSEC info? |
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| 21:06.27 | greycat | does the script begin with #!/path/to/wish ? |
| 21:06.46 | rander2 | yes |
| 21:06.53 | greycat | does it have execute permissions? |
| 21:07.03 | rander2 | as u can see in paste.debian |
| 21:07.07 | rander2 | yes |
| 21:07.17 | rander2 | rwxrwxrwx |
| 21:07.54 | greycat | !777 |
| 21:07.54 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 21:08.05 | jhutchins_wk | nyov: That's something to check. Very useful RFC link, thank you. I believe all RDNS queries are recursed. |
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| 21:09.24 | rander2 | https://paste.debian.net/1121592/ |
| 21:09.35 | rander2 | command not found |
| 21:09.38 | rander2 | strange |
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| 21:10.47 | RealIdiot | can u guys help me repipe gnome screen lock |
| 21:10.54 | greycat | It acts like it's executing your script with a shell, rather than respecting the shebang. Make sure the shebang line is correctly formed -- # as character 1, ! as character 2, no leading BOM or anything, and the line must end with a Unix linefeed, NOT a carriage return, NOT a cr + lf. |
| 21:10.55 | RealIdiot | to xscreensaver |
| 21:11.23 | RealIdiot | i have relinked gnome-screensaver-comand to xscreensaver-comand |
| 21:11.28 | RealIdiot | but its not doing it |
| 21:11.41 | greycat | Also make sure there's no funny business about the mount point -- this file system must NOT be mounted with "noexec" or "user" options. |
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| 21:12.08 | greycat | A good test would be to compile a C program and run it from here. If you can run a C program like ./a.out from here, then you should be able to run shebanged scripts as well. |
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| 21:12.55 | rander2 | ok, I try. |
| 21:13.11 | greycat | Oh,... your SECOND paste shows that the shebang is not the first line. |
| 21:13.20 | greycat | the FIRST paste must not have been the actual script |
| 21:13.39 | greycat | the shebang #!/usr/bin/wish must be the FIRST LINE |
| 21:14.09 | rander2 | the second is correct, I change the path. This is a example from a tcl book that I buy on amazon |
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| 21:14.50 | greycat | !shebang |
| 21:14.50 | dpkg | it has been said that shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 21:14.52 | rander2 | Brent B. Welch Pratical Programminng in Tcl and Tk |
| 21:15.50 | rander2 | the shellbang is correct, and the path of interpreter too |
| 21:16.10 | greycat | the shebang has to be the first line. there must not be ANYTHING before it. |
| 21:16.37 | greycat | in your second paste, the shebang is line 6 |
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| 21:18.20 | rander2 | greycat, C compiled go correctly with #include<stdio.h> |
| 21:18.32 | rander2 | greycat, C compiled go correctly with #include <stdio.h> |
| 21:18.48 | greycat | make sure the shebang is line 1 |
| 21:19.08 | rander2 | shellbang must be ever in line 1 ???? |
| 21:19.20 | greycat | How many more times must I repeat it? |
| 21:19.32 | rander2 | excuse me, sorry |
| 21:20.50 | greycat | the kernel does not search your entire file for a shebang. it only reads the first few bytes of the file. if those first bytes are not a valid shebang, and not a valid ELF header (or whatever other format the kernel understands), it throws a ENOEXC. |
| 21:21.00 | greycat | ENOEXEC is hard to type :( |
| 21:21.18 | rander2 | Ok, I was too much dumb, sorry |
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| 21:25.05 | nyov | jhutchins_wk: possibly helpful tool: https://dnssec-debugger.verisignlabs.com/15.4.20.149.in-addr.arpa |
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| 21:27.01 | jhutchins_wk | nyov: Thanks,but I think I have the key argument. The ability to go beyone 512bytes is specificly to accomodate recursive queries, all of our RDNS queries are recursive. |
| 21:28.28 | jhutchins_wk | We are rolling out new LDAP, new LDAP will fail without RDNS, zone transfers are already secure, security must yeild. |
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| 21:29.35 | nyov | ah, okay |
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| 21:42.05 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, and the recursive query thing. |
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| 21:42.30 | nyov | send them this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/dns-flag-day-2020-dns-servers-must-support-both-udp-and-tcp-queries/ |
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| 21:47.46 | annadane | is WINE in stable frozen, but then wine-development continues to track upstream? |
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| 21:53.01 | tga | greetings, does anyone happen to know whether it's possible to use a fido u2f key for ssh? |
| 21:54.20 | jhutchins_wk | !wine |
| 21:54.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, wine is ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
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| 21:55.12 | jhutchins_wk | nyov: This is all internal, so that doesn't really apply. |
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| 21:57.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,info wine-development |
| 21:57.18 | judd | Package wine-development (otherosfs, optional) in buster/amd64: Windows API implementation - standard suite. Version: 4.2-4; Size: 133.5k; Installed: 194k; Homepage: https://www.winehq.org |
| 21:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | !show wine-development |
| 21:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | ,show wine-development |
| 21:57.54 | greycat | not sure what "show" is supposed to mean |
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| 21:58.13 | nyov | jhutchins_wk: ah, but then they shouldn't really have a problem with allowing this traffic from internal clients? |
| 21:59.22 | nyov | tga: https://duo.com/labs/tech-notes/u2f-key-support-in-openssh |
| 22:00.19 | nyov | gah, I feel like a google bot. must stop doing this |
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| 22:01.38 | tga | nyov: thanks, I was afraid that was really the answer |
| 22:01.52 | tga | I found a bunch of yubikey stuff but I think they were talking about other fancier keys |
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| 22:03.25 | nerflad | i have two systemd services that i never want to have running at the same time. is there a way to configure systemd to do this? |
| 22:03.35 | nyov | tga: this looks possibly possible? https://www.rcdevs.com/docs/howtos/epass/epass/ |
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| 22:05.26 | nyov | tga: if the device works with pkcs15-tool, then `pkcs15-tool --read-ssh-key` would give you a pubkey to use on the server side, as far as I understand this |
| 22:06.40 | imMute | so I'm building a package using dpkg-buildpackage that has a version with an epoch, but the output .deb doesn't have the epoch in the filename. is that expected/normal? It seems the control file inside the package has the proper version, so maybe it's fine? |
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| 22:08.06 | somiaj | imMute: that appears normal, checked a few other packages. |
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| 22:09.48 | imMute | The ones I've seen downloaded from the apt mirrors had the epoch with a URL encoded ":", which is why it caught me off guard. |
| 22:09.56 | imMute | Thanks for the confirmation somiaj. |
| 22:10.20 | ws2k3 | is it true that with the dir command i can run a command from within a specific directory? like this? `dir('dirname'){ //do stuff here }` |
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| 22:11.02 | somiaj | imMute: which package did you check, I just went to https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/fvwm/download which doesn't have the epoch in the file name. |
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| 22:11.45 | nyov | that looks more like a function definition, ws2k3 |
| 22:11.46 | greycat | ws2k3: what language is that? |
| 22:11.58 | somiaj | imMute: I did find this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551323 |
| 22:11.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/551323 in dpkg (open): «dpkg-deb: Strips epoch from version in resulting filename»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-10-17; last modified: 2019-03-02. |
| 22:12.07 | imMute | somiaj: I think it was a git or libgit2 package. Maybe it's the backport from our internal Apt server where I got that package.. Lemme check. |
| 22:12.32 | somiaj | imMute: seems dpkg-deb is stripping it out, maybe other build systems bypass that |
| 22:13.07 | tga | is it common to grant admins passwordless sudo on production systems? |
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| 22:13.40 | tga | or how is sudo usually secured? |
| 22:13.56 | somiaj | tga: depends, and up to the security concerns you may have. |
| 22:14.10 | somiaj | I personally think granting full sudo rights is overkill and one should limit them to what the actual admins need |
| 22:14.22 | imMute | somiaj: I have a fonts-droid_1%3a4.4.4r2-6_all.deb that I know came from the Debian mirror (not repackaged or re-hosted by us), so it was definitely named that way at one point in Debian. |
| 22:14.57 | tga | take a simple vps then, you can log in with a ssh key but to run anything with sudo you still need to type in a password |
| 22:15.17 | somiaj | tga: if the account is only used to admin the computer (not say do other stuff in which scripts are running that could be exploited), in order to become the user the password is needed, so having sudo with a password won't add much (if any) real security |
| 22:15.39 | somiaj | tga: but if the account in question has scripts which can be triggered or use imput from the web, then no, you don't want that. |
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| 22:16.17 | tga | ok, assume a human account, how would you secure sudo after logging in? not at all, password or something else? |
| 22:16.40 | ws2k3 | greycat just bash |
| 22:16.47 | somiaj | I would personally use the password by default, but depending on what the admin really needs to do, limit sudo to only run those commands |
| 22:16.58 | greycat | if I had to guess, I would guess most people stay with the defaults (user's password must be provided if it hasn't been provided in the last ~15 minutes) |
| 22:16.59 | ws2k3 | nyov just bash/linux |
| 22:17.04 | greycat | ws2k3: that is not bash syntax. |
| 22:17.22 | ws2k3 | so : dir('dirname') { command } |
| 22:17.24 | tga | it's kind of a pain to sync passwords on random systems |
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| 22:17.26 | ws2k3 | that wont work? |
| 22:17.37 | nyov | no |
| 22:17.38 | greycat | ws2k3: if you wanted to CREATE a function that runs a command in a specific directory, you can create that function, but that is not the right syntax |
| 22:17.45 | shibboleth | say a shutdown/reboot borks at one stage/point |
| 22:17.55 | shibboleth | say, "could not unmount/service did not respond/etc"? |
| 22:18.03 | somiaj | imMute: an(+CLPcflnt)] [Act: 2,3,5,7,8,11] |
| 22:18.04 | shibboleth | what is the max timeout/wait-for interaction before the sys halts/reboots anyway? |
| 22:18.08 | ws2k3 | then what command should i use. if i want to run a command in a spesific dir without cd into it |
| 22:18.17 | somiaj | imMute: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/fonts-droid/download -- the epoch seems striped from there too |
| 22:18.33 | somiaj | imMute: unsure where you got that file, maybe a package rebuild that built it avoiding dpkg-deb |
| 22:19.10 | greycat | ws2k3: runat() ( cd "$1" && shift && "$@") |
| 22:19.12 | somiaj | tga: then set up something like LDAP |
| 22:19.29 | greycat | ws2k3: then, you can type something like: runat /usr/local ls -l |
| 22:19.41 | imMute | somiaj: I don't think so, that's the exact same version as I have locally... |
| 22:20.02 | imMute | somiaj: ooooh, I must have used apt-get download to download the file, maybe that adds the epoch back in to the filename? |
| 22:20.21 | nyov | somiaj: ldap for a vps? that's like targeting a fly with a sledgehammer |
| 22:20.41 | greycat | many, many variations are possible, depending on what you actually hope to achieve |
| 22:21.11 | somiaj | imMute: yea looking at packages.debian.org the epoch isn't included in the filename, check tha tbug I linked. |
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| 22:21.38 | ws2k3 | greycat runat command not found |
| 22:21.50 | imMute | yup, it's definitely not in the filename on the apt mirror network. must be "apt-get download" adding it back for some reason. |
| 22:21.50 | ws2k3 | greycat i think i first need to run the first command you send right? |
| 22:21.52 | somiaj | nyov: I've seen it done in multiple places where multiple teams control multiple vpses, makes creating a new vps easy, they even add groups of admins to sudoers via ldap too. |
| 22:21.59 | imMute | oh well, as long as it's normal/expected I don't care really. |
| 22:22.14 | somiaj | nyov: for a few systems, maybe just sync passwords, but for multiple systems, ldap or similar methods give you central login credentials. |
| 22:22.35 | greycat | ws2k3: if you don't even understand the concepts of CREATING A FUNCTION and then CALLING THE FUNCTION YOU JUST CREATED, I have no more reason to speak to you on this subject |
| 22:23.09 | ws2k3 | greycat hehe i understand. there is no linux command i can use without creating the function first? |
| 22:23.15 | nyov | oky, I must admit I'm kinda hating ldap. So maybe that's just my bias |
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| 22:23.45 | somiaj | nyov: There are other systems that pam can use to centeralize login information |
| 22:24.17 | karlpinc | nyov: LDAP is easily hateable. But it can grow on you, a bit, once you get used to it. |
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| 22:25.01 | nyov | exactly. using something else with pam is easy :). Even though I once did a thesis on openldap SSO, and tried hard to setup a workable system, it never grew on me |
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| 22:25.33 | nyov | kinda the opposite |
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| 22:27.17 | jaakkos | You could use config management like Ansible to configure user credentials on a number of hosts. You can use it for group and user creation too and ofc. SSH keys, making a 'poor man's LDAP' of sorts. |
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| 22:32.48 | jaakkos | I've actually deployed such poor man's LDAP in a couple of companies before moving to deploy LDAP (but that really needs HA and lot of care so that's why I think there's a place for a lightweight solution) |
| 22:32.58 | joepublic | plus, with ansible, there is no delay due to the speed of light. |
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| 22:41.02 | metbsd | what's LDAP for |
| 22:41.03 | nyov | ? not sure how that was meant. but with flat files you wouldn't have the sad login fail when the auth server decided to take a break |
| 22:41.13 | nyov | and if it's only for auth, I have to admit I kinda like the hellhound |
| 22:42.12 | somiaj | metbsd: it is a cerntally located server for login credentials on networks. |
| 22:42.26 | metbsd | windows login or linux |
| 22:42.31 | somiaj | metbsd: this way you can log into multiple machines, web software, etc, using a single login |
| 22:42.36 | somiaj | metbsd: both |
| 22:42.55 | somiaj | many will use it with in an ad domain, but it can be indepenent of that too. |
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| 22:44.44 | metbsd | log into multiple machine with same desktop same applications? |
| 22:44.46 | somiaj | also isn't uncommon for web (or other software) to already have ldap compadability included |
| 22:45.11 | somiaj | no, same login credentials |
| 22:45.49 | nyov | rather, it's the "Lightweight" version of DAP, the Directory Access Protocol, an X.500 standards protocol :p |
| 22:46.08 | metbsd | so just user id and password? |
| 22:46.22 | nyov | it can pretty much contain anything you'd like to store in a directory tree |
| 22:46.30 | nyov | such as address books |
| 22:47.26 | jaakkos | metbsd: groups and group membership is a pretty important feature |
| 22:47.29 | metbsd | Login Credentials is one of three types of Identity Data. Login Credentials to a Managed System usually consist of a User ID and password. |
| 22:47.48 | metbsd | so LDAP is linux only |
| 22:48.07 | jaakkos | no, it's used by a wide variety computer systems |
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| 22:48.47 | nyov | Windows AD is LDAP |
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| 22:49.02 | jaakkos | there are something called schemas in LDAP that specify how exactly particular information is encoded in there so different systems know how to interoperate |
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| 22:57.37 | nyov | ws2k3: if you don't want to do it in a script, you can use the shell builtins pushd and popd. pushd /some/other/dir, run some command, popd |
| 22:57.48 | nyov | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushd_and_popd |
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| 23:01.08 | tharkun | I am trying to install debian 10 on a machine but at the first attempt it failed whn complaining about the boot EFI loader could not be installed and it failed to boot. I am attempting once again to install 10 but I see that partitions are not beeing recognized. My question is about the one calle EFI system partition a 272.6 MB partition with the Bootalbe flan. Shout it be used as a Reserved BIOS boot area or some other option? |
| 23:02.33 | karlpinc | tharkun: A reminder about non-free firmware: |
| 23:02.37 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 23:02.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 23:03.40 | tharkun | karlpinc: I know, and you also know because of the error. Can you lend me a hand to get out of this mess or I am stuck downloading the official iso image? |
| 23:04.01 | karlpinc | tharkun: I don't know. "reserved bios boot area" sounds right, but that's a real guess. |
| 23:05.06 | karlpinc | tharkun: Perhaps the UEFI wikipedia page says what the partition code should be, then you'll know. |
| 23:05.21 | tharkun | karlpinc: Your guess is even better than mine. So lets see what happens. Worst case scenario I loose the windows partition which I havent used in about 3 years. |
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| 23:06.16 | BazookaTooth | tharkun: efi should only have boot and esp as flags |
| 23:07.29 | BazookaTooth | 'reserved bios boot area' is for like the recovery partition on laptops etc |
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| 23:09.55 | somiaj | I don't think boot means much with efi either |
| 23:10.41 | tharkun | Creating partitions and moving on. lets see what happens. I will keep you informed. Worst case scenario my kids will kill me for not having a computer to do their homework today but they can allways use their mom's :) |
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| 23:35.22 | Delta706 | Does /proc provide info on the dvd drive? |
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| 23:42.55 | teknite | brand new usb3 hard drive enclosure will not stay connected, any advice troubleshooting? I've tried multiple hard drives and computers no luck. |
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| 23:43.38 | Delta706 | teknite, are you saying it is not physically connected? |
| 23:43.45 | nyov | use UHU |
| 23:44.11 | nyov | UHU glues anything (TM) |
| 23:46.10 | teknite | it's physically connected, and powered by it's own psu. I mean after a short time being mounted and some i/o I get i/o errors and it dismounts, and dissapears from /dev/ |
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| 23:47.00 | nyov | ouch, bad usb2sata chip |
| 23:47.35 | nyov | better return it pronto |
| 23:48.01 | teknite | nyov, you think? it was an expensive enclosure (oyen digital minipro 3.1) |
| 23:48.47 | nyov | I'd say get a replacement. if you did as you say and multiple HDDs _and_ computers didn't work, there's not much else that could be bad |
| 23:48.51 | karlpinc | teknite: It could (conceivably) be the cable. You could try another. |
| 23:49.20 | nyov | or that |
| 23:49.33 | Delta706 | it could be the power supply. I got a router and it would fail after 10 hours, due to dodgy power supply |
| 23:49.48 | karlpinc | Well, we all know it's not the cable. But hey, a little false hope can be nice now and then. |
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| 23:51.36 | teknite | I'm thinking the cable might be a false hope, although I've had bad cables before the cable is brand new. At first I thought the usb bus was not delivering enough power so I bought psu just to power the enclosure. |
| 23:52.41 | Delta706 | sounds like you have eliminated everything except the actual unit then |
| 23:52.50 | teknite | /var/log/messages is not very helpful all i get is: Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_OK |
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| 23:56.07 | giantmidget | Sorry, I know I asked this before, but would any of you know about the permissions issue I was having? |
| 23:56.26 | giantmidget | Even as root I cannot open a raw ICMP socket |
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