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| 01:18.46 | ixz | the my debian install, 10.2+firmware didnt boot [no kernel loading just hanging after choosing to boot menu entry], bullseye worked and installed but without inet drivers |
| 01:19.00 | ixz | the firmware.tar.gz i installed stuffs but still no wifi card |
| 01:19.29 | ksk | did you read the freakin wiki article? |
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| 01:19.52 | ixz | no what the long debian install faq ? |
| 01:20.15 | ksk | https://wiki.debian.org/de/WiFi |
| 01:20.24 | ksk | eh, cut the "de" in the url ;) |
| 01:20.25 | ixz | thx, minute |
| 01:21.32 | ixz | what it says two supported models, what |
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| 01:21.40 | ixz | ah ok might work.. |
| 01:22.14 | GetHz | hey owl |
| 01:22.40 | GetHz | tell gnu-linux-libre vannilla: kernel 1000hz | modles preemptive context |
| 01:23.04 | ixz | you can tune it to 4k hz |
| 01:23.04 | GetHz | hyde concurrent |
| 01:23.14 | ixz | at least earlier |
| 01:23.20 | ixz | anyway what does the wifi faq help me now |
| 01:23.29 | GetHz | ixz really? |
| 01:23.31 | ixz | http://ix.io/24YJ is my lspci and dmesg |
| 01:23.44 | ixz | yes in the configs file you write 4000, with or without one mod it works |
| 01:23.49 | ixz | compiles and does, did at least |
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| 01:26.34 | GetHz | ixz very good |
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| 01:37.33 | GetHz | ixz kernel 1000hz singular | modules preemptivecontext assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone |
| 01:41.29 | GetHz | middleware aproadigma cooperation |
| 01:41.39 | GetHz | mix |
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| 02:03.00 | GetHz | kernel nhz singular | modules preemptive coop-context assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone |
| 02:03.34 | GetHz | singular fw bootlader int |
| 02:03.46 | GetHz | bootloader acpi |
| 02:06.52 | GetHz | kernel nhz iteractive lines | modules preemptive coop-context assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone |
| 02:07.03 | ksk | GetHz: can you stop that please? |
| 02:07.20 | ksk | irc is not your notepad |
| 02:07.21 | GetHz | w_hat |
| 02:07.23 | GetHz | ? |
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| 02:43.59 | xmastree | so what trouble you all getting up to today? |
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| 02:48.11 | ixz | success report, amd laptop via bullseye-alpha1 and newer 5.4 kernel and firmware from rpi |
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| 03:03.36 | ok | yeet |
| 03:04.41 | ixz | the mousepad wont work with tap clicks yet, window manager related, but touchscreen works even |
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| 04:10.18 | un214 | Missing leafpad in buster is starting to really annoy me |
| 04:11.11 | ixz | just add the repo sources |
| 04:11.23 | ixz | i use experimental unstable testing stable =p |
| 04:11.58 | un214 | sid only has an arm64 package for leafpad |
| 04:12.31 | ixz | no package for me too |
| 04:12.47 | ixz | maybe in archive.debian.org |
| 04:12.50 | un214 | I've been downloading the jesse package and installing it with dpkg |
| 04:13.12 | ixz | maybe self compile of newest version is better |
| 04:13.20 | un214 | what newer version? |
| 04:13.33 | ixz | i dunno i was guessing only |
| 04:14.04 | un214 | it simply hasn't changed since 2009 |
| 04:14.44 | ixz | kk, i wonder if i can add all repos of debian, like potatoe and all, and have it working |
| 04:15.19 | un214 | I'm willing to bet being a package maintainer for leafpad is an empty job |
| 04:15.35 | ixz | what is leafpad anyway |
| 04:15.50 | un214 | pretty much notepad in gtk2 |
| 04:16.00 | ixz | kk i use vim |
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| 04:16.21 | un214 | I use leafpad as extra clipboard buffers to copy/paste from/to in the GUI |
| 04:17.21 | ixz | i bet i can code a terminal cli alternative to your copypaste needs |
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| 04:18.04 | un214 | ? |
| 04:18.12 | un214 | Copy from firefox to leafpad |
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| 04:18.47 | ixz | copy from firefox to buffer, and separate script runs that checks the buffer for changes and writes it up + no duplicates + selection of to-copy-into-buffer |
| 04:19.41 | un214 | among other uses: did you see the exploit where when you copy a command line from a web page, it copies a different command line |
| 04:19.54 | un214 | well I paste to leafpad, inspect, and re-copy |
| 04:20.01 | un214 | the exploit doesn't work anymore |
| 04:20.09 | ixz | havent seen |
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| 04:20.36 | ixz | can simply include \r and then the last displaying command |
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| 04:23.15 | un214 | in other news, I had to build a replacement for gtksu; one weird binary is enough |
| 04:24.15 | ixz | __load_endless_bloat; <short main function>; __bloat_ware |
| 04:24.29 | un214 | lol |
| 04:24.55 | un214 | I got it down to 100 lines but it has to be recompiled for every binary and user it needs to run |
| 04:25.12 | un214 | because I used -D instead of a config file parser |
| 04:25.24 | ixz | okk 'secure' |
| 04:25.58 | un214 | actually that's a good point; code that doesn't exist can't have security bugs |
| 04:26.16 | ixz | :) |
| 04:26.42 | un214 | Is there a way to interrupt a systemd wait from the console? |
| 04:27.00 | ixz | i at least completly dunno that |
| 04:27.25 | un214 | I filed a degenerate wait bug a few days ago; it got moved to ifupdown |
| 04:27.50 | ixz | dunno the details |
| 04:28.01 | un214 | the bug may really be in ifupdown but I feel that systemd should have done a better job of not blocking for 6 mintues |
| 04:28.25 | ixz | crapware |
| 04:28.39 | ixz | unreadable.d |
| 04:28.45 | un214 | It's the same kind of issue that caused me to immediately have to revert systemd on my home pc |
| 04:29.05 | un214 | it started blocking on the very next boot; and when it finally timed out /home wasn't mounted |
| 04:29.30 | un214 | some kind of degenerate vapor lock where it thinks its waiting for something to come up that's already up |
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| 04:30.02 | ixz | wrong code i guess |
| 04:30.41 | un214 | basically I wanna use systemd's unit files but not its early boot or late shutdown process |
| 04:30.47 | un214 | I've had it with these degenerate locks |
| 04:31.17 | ixz | i'd rather code complete exact wanted system in bash and gawk |
| 04:31.54 | un214 | that's actually easier |
| 04:32.03 | un214 | dpkg-divert /sbin/init |
| 04:32.06 | un214 | and knock yourself out |
| 04:32.19 | ixz | i wrote a couple bashinit's that ran well |
| 04:32.35 | un214 | so have I, but KDE doesn't like them one bit |
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| 04:32.52 | ixz | i dont like kde either, it ran so slow and wasteful |
| 04:33.07 | un214 | haven't got a good replacement for kpaint :( |
| 04:33.34 | ixz | i dunno paint, i only know console-text |
| 04:33.40 | ixz | or 3d ware on windoz |
| 04:33.41 | un214 | ah |
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| 04:34.17 | un214 | I'm not going to talk too much about simple because well I use kpaint for a couple of really good features |
| 04:34.51 | ixz | kool, can it be coded to like, shuffle pixels together via script |
| 04:34.52 | un214 | color-pickup, really well working smooth scale, working image rotate, and working binary transparency |
| 04:35.15 | un214 | don't think it can be automated unless you like XSend |
| 04:35.32 | ixz | i dunno that either |
| 04:35.38 | ixz | i think i go sleep time :)) |
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| 04:42.24 | un214 | on an unrelated note, lilo is unmaintained right? |
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| 04:47.54 | annadane | well, lilo is packaged for buster... |
| 04:48.15 | annadane | i guess i could check WNPP |
| 04:48.27 | un214 | !WNPP |
| 04:48.27 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 04:49.42 | un214 | not listed there; debian probably thinks it has a maintainer |
| 04:49.59 | un214 | anyway I have to use a hand-hacked lilo because grub doesn't understand my hardware |
| 04:50.39 | un214 | (all I had to do was take a sanity check /out/ for lilo to work for me) |
| 04:51.05 | annadane | lilo has a new version in sid where the latest changelog entry is december 10, and it's not a NMU update, so i think it's safe to say lilo is maintained |
| 04:51.14 | un214 | oh nice |
| 04:52.00 | annadane | however, the changelog entry also says this https://paste.debian.net/1121964/ |
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| 04:52.13 | annadane | keep in mind that's for sid, it probably won't go away in buser |
| 04:52.15 | annadane | buster |
| 04:52.32 | un214 | I should probably step up to maintain it in sid then |
| 04:52.52 | un214 | because I'm going to need apt-get -> lilo integration for a long time to come |
| 04:55.47 | ixz | nice reason to do it |
| 04:57.21 | ixz | 'what does buster bust' |
| 04:57.43 | un214 | I don't get it |
| 04:58.06 | ixz | buster, the bust-er, bust a couple of ppl for a few pennies |
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| 04:59.21 | annadane | it's good you're offering to maintain it, lilo probably is something people will need |
| 04:59.30 | ixz | it may bust hackers, but why is its time come =p |
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| 05:51.12 | Gerowen | Obviously I can just block port 80 on the firewall, but I'm wondering why it's working in the first place when the config file is gone and apache restarted. |
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| 06:14.58 | wikan | hi. I need to telnet my services from the shell-less user |
| 06:15.31 | wikan | can I do it by command or maybe I have to set shell to login? |
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| 06:18.23 | wikan | found it |
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| 07:58.33 | veek | i'm getting /etc/magic, 3: Warning: using regular magic file `/usr/share/misc/magic' and it's not apparmor |
| 07:58.50 | veek | file -m /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc:/usr/share/file/magic.mgc a.out works |
| 07:59.15 | veek | what should I do to avoid the typing? |
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| 08:39.04 | nyov | veek: that's a strange message. "Warning: using regular magic file `/usr/share/misc/magic' and it's not apparmor" :P doesn't look legit |
| 08:39.34 | nyov | veek: joke aside, what do you have in /etc/magic? /usr/share/misc/magic should be a symlink to /usr/share/file/magic, which should be a directory |
| 08:39.49 | nyov | not a regular file |
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| 08:51.37 | veek | nyov, my /etc/magic is empty |
| 08:52.06 | veek | well got a comment that's all |
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| 08:53.08 | nyov | does the warning happen for every file call, or just a specific file? |
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| 08:53.27 | veek | all files |
| 08:55.16 | nyov | hm. perhaps strace it to the warning |
| 08:55.46 | nyov | strace file /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc 2> /tmp/debug; less /tmp/debug |
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| 08:57.08 | veek | openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/share/misc/magic.mgc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 08:57.13 | veek | a lot of that |
| 08:57.16 | nyov | ah. |
| 08:57.26 | veek | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Oct 23 01:27 /usr/share/misc/magic.mgc -> ../../lib/file/magic.mgc |
| 08:57.30 | nyov | so you're missing /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc ? |
| 08:58.10 | nyov | that's in libmagic-mgc, which should be installed |
| 08:58.15 | nyov | I guess |
| 08:58.39 | veek | it's installed |
| 08:58.49 | nyov | but does the file exist? |
| 08:58.56 | veek | it's a symlink |
| 08:59.23 | nyov | /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc should be a regular file. symlink to where? |
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| 09:00.48 | veek | yes /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc is a regular file |
| 09:00.51 | veek | that exists |
| 09:01.20 | veek | 5.2MB |
| 09:01.42 | nyov | ok weird. is it readable? |
| 09:01.47 | veek | the issue is he isn't finding the other .mgc files |
| 09:03.08 | veek | basically all he's using is /usr/share/file/magic.mgc -> ../../lib/file/magic.mgc |
| 09:04.21 | veek | ahh hmm just a sec |
| 09:08.12 | veek | how do you specify a : separated search path for .mgc files |
| 09:08.24 | veek | barring MAGIC and using -m |
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| 09:13.24 | nyov | point it to a directory? |
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| 09:20.39 | veek | nyov, nope my guess is it has something to do with /fsprotect/system/usr/lib/file/magic.mgc and /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc |
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| 09:26.46 | nyov | well, I only have one local file, in ~/.magic.mgc. which I compile from my magic incantations in ~/.magic-dir/ |
| 09:27.04 | nyov | is enough, so I don't know how to add more :p |
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| 09:40.49 | wikan | where I can submit my idea for debian? |
| 09:41.21 | wikan | it would be great if we could use dpkg and apt for lxc from host |
| 09:41.37 | wikan | like FreeBSD does |
| 09:42.27 | wikan | all what is required is setting up directories (export) and then host package manager use different root directory |
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| 09:43.57 | dreamer | I wouldn't assume that will be part of apt, but you could script something around it perhaps? |
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| 10:07.28 | nyov | FreeBSD now has apt and lxc? |
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| 10:09.14 | nyov | wikan: well, depending on how you connect to your lxc containers, you can definitly script that. e.g. using ssh, or lxc-console, or virsh using libvirt |
| 10:09.38 | nyov | you'll just have to do some legwork |
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| 10:15.26 | Habbie | nyov, i bet it's about the --jail flag in https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pkg&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+12.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html |
| 10:16.24 | wikan | nyov no |
| 10:16.42 | nyov | ah okay then :D |
| 10:16.52 | wikan | Habbie is right |
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| 10:23.58 | [sr] | howdy, having this configuration on the same interface, the comunication hangs every X seconds, if i have this on with a 2nd interface in the machine, works OK, what could i be doing wrong? |
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| 10:53.05 | wikan | sr, "this configuration"? |
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| 11:09.48 | wikan | guys, it is possible to create two the same files, but one visible for entire system and second only for user? |
| 11:10.30 | wikan | i can create temporary files hidden from other users eyes but i wanna hide config |
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| 11:11.50 | cinesc | Hi |
| 11:11.55 | wikan | hi |
| 11:12.23 | jelly | wikan: hide from whom? |
| 11:12.35 | jelly | use unix permissions? |
| 11:13.35 | cinesc | An Odd question to ask here but is the Windows 10 ISO compatible with SD cards in an usb adapter or DO I need a real usb stick for it to work? |
| 11:13.39 | wikan | i have nftables rule |
| 11:14.05 | wikan | this rule lets some privileges for some processes |
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| 11:14.39 | wikan | and I wanna to make a "copy" of this file for this process |
| 11:14.55 | wikan | so process even if change this file it will not affect a firewall |
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| 11:16.24 | wikan | cinesc - really? |
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| 11:17.22 | cinesc | Is there a better thread to ask this question at? |
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| 11:20.36 | wikan | dunno, maybe general or windows related |
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| 11:23.15 | wikan | i think i know how to do it ;) |
| 11:25.35 | wikan | yea i know :D |
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| 12:28.17 | rozie | hi. I have rtl8812AU USB card. I want to run it under Debian (unstable). is there something build in right now? |
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| 12:28.43 | rozie | I found https://askubuntu.com/questions/1076771/realtek-0bdaa811-wifi-driver-rtl8812au-on-ubuntu-18-04 but it is year old |
| 12:29.06 | ixz | i got yestreday my laptop working with 8822b |
| 12:29.16 | ixz | what kernel do u run, u have already debian installed ? |
| 12:29.19 | rozie | so I wonder if something appeared in distro |
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| 12:30.10 | ixz | i got it working by bullseye-alpha1 installer without network card, then from 5.3 to 5.4 kernel ( experimental tree ) and then downloading rpi firmware's and placing em in /lib/firmware and voila it worked |
| 12:30.40 | ixz | the included 5.3 kernel didnt show any wireless dmesg activity, 5.4 did and pointed me at missing firmware file |
| 12:31.04 | rozie | 5.3.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-3 (2019-11-19) |
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| 12:31.28 | ixz | yea u need 5.4 er kernel at least |
| 12:31.31 | rozie | [210184.555264] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=c811, bcdDevice= 2.00 |
| 12:31.34 | rozie | [210184.555270] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 |
| 12:31.44 | ixz | there is rtw_usb or similiar module |
| 12:31.47 | rozie | OK, thx will check for 5.4 |
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| 12:32.37 | ixz | actually i dont see such a module |
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| 12:32.46 | ixz | but updating from 5.3 to .4 made the driver appear |
| 12:33.09 | ixz | see rtw88, maybe usb works there too |
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| 12:34.34 | ixz | what does modprobe rtw88 say |
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| 13:37.27 | rapha | hi |
| 13:37.45 | rapha | i'm trying to upgrade a Debian 6 system to Debian 7 and am running into this problem: https://i.imgur.com/9KbLVFg.png |
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| 13:38.31 | rapha | would it be best to "apt-get remove mysql.*" plus anything else that is a problem first, then "aptitude full-upgrade", then install those packages afresh? |
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| 13:41.37 | diogenes_ | rapha, you got any 3rd party repos or apps? |
| 13:41.38 | abrotman | it won't reinstall those packages, but might allow the upgrade to continue |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | but yeah, looks like a third party or backports are enabled |
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| 13:46.32 | rapha | diogenes_: not anymore; i removed them as they were not accessible anymore anyways. but some packages from 3rd party repos are still installed, such as the froxlor thing. any others possibly, too, those i wouldn't know about. is there a way to find out? |
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| 13:50.26 | diogenes_ | rapha, the general recommendation before upgrade is to remove any 3rd party repos, apps, nvidia drivers and stuff like that. |
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| 13:54.11 | jelly | rapha: which command, precisely, is generating that screenshot? |
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| 14:00.26 | riezaizu | What reason is there for upower to randomly stop working, forcing me to --reinstall it ? |
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| 14:03.56 | jelly | rapha: because if it's aptitude something, that's not what the documentation tells you to use for the release upgrade process. https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade |
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| 14:05.38 | diogenes_ | riezaizu, how it stops working? |
| 14:08.19 | riezaizu | Suspend/Hibernate don't show up on the KDE menu, screen blacks out after a while even though I have it set to not do that. The only way to fix is to apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 14:08.49 | riezaizu | Also the kde settings don't allow modification of power settings |
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| 15:12.51 | rapha | jelly: no, "apt-get dist-upgrade" gave an error message and then i googled that and then there was something that suggested to try with "aptitude full-upgrade". the original error message was E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mysql-server-5.5'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 15:12.56 | liveuser | hi I am on a VPS and use the mail comand I want to know whats the shortcut to display the next list of mails. |
| 15:13.25 | blueninja | anyone know whats the shortcut |
| 15:13.36 | rapha | i'll try to somehow get rid of everything that came from (perhaps former) 3rd party repos |
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| 15:15.27 | blueninja | I think the z is for the previous screen |
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| 15:37.35 | outoftime | Do you have any idea how to get rid of this errors in journalctl for buster: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/8723b570 |
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| 15:50.22 | cinesc | Hi |
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| 15:51.59 | cinesc | Is windows media creation tool able to rum in Wine or is there an equivalent tool to make an installer onto an usb stick? |
| 15:53.09 | mtn | cinesc: do you mean a windows boot/install disk? |
| 15:54.04 | cinesc | Urs that is what I want to create in Linux Debian |
| 15:54.13 | mtn | cinesc: https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/ |
| 15:56.10 | jelly | rapha: did you do an "apt-get upgrade" step before dist-upgrade? |
| 15:57.47 | jelly | rapha: read: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures |
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| 16:05.29 | jelly | rapha: theoretically you could just accept aptitude's first proposed solution, but apt-get tended to cause less trouble for 5->6, 6->7 release upgrades iirc |
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| 16:33.25 | filpAM | when I try to run optirun glxinfo. |
| 16:33.28 | filpAM | it shows: |
| 16:33.30 | filpAM | [ 464.186086] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version. |
| 16:33.33 | filpAM | [ 464.186169] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled. |
| 16:33.51 | filpAM | this notebook is a samsung with nvidia 710m |
| 16:33.58 | filpAM | (nvidia optimus) |
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| 16:34.48 | filpAM | How I solve this |
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| 16:35.49 | diogenes_ | flimpie-, it's bit of a headache when it comes to bumblebee. |
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| 16:36.17 | diogenes_ | do you have virtualgl? |
| 16:36.51 | diogenes_ | filpAM, ^^^ |
| 16:37.01 | filpAM | Uhh |
| 16:37.04 | hugo__ | Hello all, i usualy use this command to store my SSH key : "ssh-agent && ssh-add /Path/To/Key". I am wondering wish test could tell if my ssh key is added or not. Could you help me please ? |
| 16:37.04 | filpAM | I used primus |
| 16:37.29 | filpAM | diogenes_ no |
| 16:37.50 | ksk | hugo__: man ssh-add, you are looking for the -l switch. |
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| 16:38.36 | diogenes_ | filpAM, last time i set it up i needed virtualgl to make it work. |
| 16:39.07 | filpAM | diogenes_ oh, I will try then |
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| 16:44.29 | c0nker | I've been having a lot of trouble with an USB, I tried making a boot USB and it didnt work, and after all the steps I must have broken something, and it says its read-only (actually right now it doesnt even find it) |
| 16:44.40 | c0nker | https://pastebin.com/rM2WHBr2 |
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| 16:49.57 | diogenes_ | c0nker, look in gnome-disk-utility |
| 16:51.39 | filpAM | diogenes_ installed |
| 16:51.43 | c0nker | diogenes_ I dont have that tool if im honest, im not using gnome (or debian, but I was hoping I could use some advice anyway) |
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| 16:53.57 | diogenes_ | filpAM, did it make any difference? |
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| 16:56.20 | filpAM | diogenes_ uhmm how do I use it |
| 16:56.58 | diogenes_ | filpAM, optirun status |
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| 16:58.44 | B|ack0p | hi |
| 16:59.18 | filpAM | diogenes_ the verysame error.. |
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| 17:06.37 | diogenes_ | filpAM, check this out: http://dpaste.com/02BZ0C4 |
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| 17:08.01 | diogenes_ | reboot afterwards |
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| 17:19.26 | H2Q | hello, I need the latest version of go language, and have to remove the default system version. can I just 'apt remove' it, without breaking anything? |
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| 17:20.08 | hugo__ | ksk, thank you so mush :) ssh-add -l is perfect ! |
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| 17:24.11 | karlpinc | H2Q: Yes, you can just apt remove it. You might want to "purge" instead to remove any config files. Also, see the "don't break debian" wiki page for how to install 3rd party software safely. |
| 17:24.16 | karlpinc | !don't break debian |
| 17:24.16 | dpkg | methinks dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:24.56 | WoC | when you build using sbuild, what happens with the packages you build ? |
| 17:24.58 | annadane | nothing critical in debian is built against go, it's pretty much just python and perl afaik |
| 17:25.52 | karlpinc | H2Q: Now, if you've installed other stuff with apt that depends on go to work apt might want to uninstall that too. The don't break debian page should have some hints on how to proceed. One way is probably to use the "equivs" package to build your own equalivent to the system go. |
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| 17:31.39 | tuppabox | hi |
| 17:32.00 | tuppabox | I would need some help |
| 17:32.33 | annadane | sure, ask away |
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| 17:34.46 | tuppabox | I've got an Medion Laptop with Intel and Nvidia graphics (it's configured nvidia only) it installed well with the nouveau driver then I tried the prop nvidia driver to install and it doesn't load after a restart |
| 17:35.04 | tuppabox | now I always access the command line when a start the laptop |
| 17:35.16 | WoC | Any suggestions as to where i can go to get help with sbuild ? |
| 17:35.44 | annadane | WoC, here or perhaps #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 17:36.09 | annadane | or #packaging on oftc if the package isn't for inclusion in the debian repo |
| 17:36.31 | WoC | annadane: I'm just at loss as to what happens to the packages you build with sbuild |
| 17:36.41 | annadane | yeah, i don't know |
| 17:36.55 | tuppabox | I also tried to get back to nouveau but that works neither |
| 17:37.24 | WoC | for my arch type, several of the packages are built wrong, so i figured sbuild would be a way to fix it |
| 17:38.17 | annadane | those channels may have a better idea |
| 17:38.49 | tuppabox | I used this tutorial https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-nvidia-driver-on-debian-10-buster-linux |
| 17:39.43 | annadane | optimus is its own special, annoying, thing |
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| 17:40.21 | annadane | i don't recall what the solution is, AFAIK people recommend to just use the intel portion, though there is https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus |
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| 17:40.27 | somiaj | The top one is okay, the bottom one (how to install nvidia driver using the offical nvidia.com package) is not suggested and debian will break that from tiem to time. |
| 17:40.48 | veikko | tuppabox: I have the same problem, screen just blank after installing nvidia drivers and rebooting |
| 17:41.13 | tuppabox | its not just blank |
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| 17:41.44 | tuppabox | it's asking for login so you give the user name and then the password and you end up in the cli |
| 17:42.27 | veikko | and with the noveau drivers the gnome shell eats up all cpu and lot of latency with graphics |
| 17:42.40 | veikko | noevau* |
| 17:42.41 | WoC | annadane: heh, i figured it out, the built packages seems to be placed in the directory where sbuild was invocted |
| 17:42.52 | somiaj | I think you can install firmware-misc-nonfree to get preformance increase on some nouveau cards |
| 17:43.00 | annadane | well there you go |
| 17:43.06 | annadane | a little poking around saves the day |
| 17:43.17 | WoC | sometimes ;) |
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| 17:43.38 | annadane | somiaj, can you? huh. i think i'll still stick with the blob simply because nouveau still has to reverse engineer everything |
| 17:44.09 | H2Q | karlpinc, before I noticed the native go, I'd already installed the latest go. now when I do 'go version' and it says 'bash: /usr/bin/go: No such file or directory' |
| 17:44.16 | tuppabox | I installed KDE it worked more or less can't adjust brightness, only laptop screen... but the package nvidia-driver didn't work |
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| 17:44.48 | tuppabox | and now im stuck here with the cli |
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| 17:45.19 | H2Q | the path in the installation guide was 'usr/local/go' |
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| 17:45.42 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.03 | annadane | so you don't even have to necessarily remove the go installed via apt |
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| 17:46.43 | H2Q | it wasn't overwritten |
| 17:46.50 | H2Q | I got error during installation |
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| 17:52.19 | somiaj | annadane: yea, look at apt show firmware-misc-nonfree you'll seee various firmwares for nouveau listed |
| 17:53.40 | somiaj | there is getting to be enough there, it almost warnts its own package |
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| 17:56.03 | Mazhive | guys i have a strang issue with debian buster ... when login in e specificly need to alt f1 and then alt f7 to show my tty screen. |
| 17:56.07 | Mazhive | strange |
| 17:56.30 | Mazhive | is it a profile thing |
| 17:57.29 | H2Q | so, I installed a go version, and I removed the native one. now I cant do anything because the native path doesnt exist anymore. how can I use the latest version? |
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| 18:00.44 | pugfantus | Update your PATH or symlink to the old path? |
| 18:00.52 | Mazhive | how can a .config file corrupt it seems the .config was corrupted |
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| 18:01.19 | Mazhive | solved by essentially remove the .config |
| 18:01.32 | ksk | if it was "corrupted" filesystem-wise it would have been placed in /lost+found after unsuccessfuly fs-repair |
| 18:01.40 | ksk | I suspsect you put something in there which was incorrect |
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| 18:03.09 | Mazhive | ah . that seems plausible yesterday i tried to install komoberi but i had a unsuccesfully install (well it told me it was succesfully installed but in the other hand it wasn't actually ) so that could be the issue probably |
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| 18:04.06 | Mazhive | and komoberi is screen related.... |
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| 18:28.15 | Mazhive | should i create a partiton first to make a new lvm or can would it be a problem if i use the pvcreate /dev/sdb |
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| 18:30.31 | tomreyn | Mazhive: you can use the raw device if you are certain you wont need any other partitions on this disk. |
| 18:31.22 | tomreyn | other partitions such as an efi system partition, bios-grub partition, /boot etc. |
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| 18:32.44 | camaruh | Hi all. New to Linux and I'd like to try Debian. I'm on this page. I picked amd64 earlier but installer complained that my hardware is 686. Should I downlod the i386 link? https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 18:33.25 | damex | camaruh: what hardware do you have? |
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| 18:36.31 | camaruh | I'll be running Linux on my HP laptop via VirtualBox. Unfortunately, this Vbox does not support 64-bit |
| 18:37.23 | tomreyn | it won't support 64-bit if either the hardware or the host OS or both do not support it. |
| 18:37.30 | camaruh | ah got it |
| 18:37.39 | camaruh | do I download the i386 link? |
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| 18:38.19 | tomreyn | have you ruled out that hardware and host OS cannot do amd64, yet? |
| 18:38.43 | tomreyn | because this is nowadays quite desirable |
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| 18:40.10 | tomreyn | if you don't want to spend time on this, though,a nd just want to test debian for now, you can just download the i386 iso, yes. |
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| 18:40.52 | camaruh | were you saying I can still run 64-bit? |
| 18:40.53 | tomreyn | (you won't be able to change this installation to amd64 later, though) |
| 18:41.45 | tomreyn | i'm saying you should spend a little bit of time to understand whether your computer can do 64-bit generally. and if so, take any steps needed to enable it. |
| 18:42.27 | damex | is there a list of supported (in debian 10) arm boards? (support for them tend to be very specific) i see that it supports my current raspberry pi3 but it is painfully slow with everything sharing same bandwidth. i was thinking about picking an extra device or few to run my homelab. |
| 18:42.29 | camaruh | let me see if my windows is currently on 64-bit |
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| 18:46.15 | tomreyn | camaruh: the "HP laptop" information is not sufficient tell whether or not it can. if you can tell whether you have a 64-bit windows (maybe ask in ##windows for help on this) it means you also have 64-bit capable hardware, and then you should be able to run 64-bit VMs (it may require enabling some options in your BIOS/UEFI). |
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| 18:47.02 | camaruh | I just read this. It looks like I must also be running 64-bit windows - https://superuser.com/questions/866962/why-does-virtualbox-only-have-32-bit-option-no-64-bit-option-on-windows-7 |
| 18:47.41 | tomreyn | yes. this is not really a topic for *this* channel, though ;) |
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| 18:48.21 | nyov | yeah, which might be a hassle. So *if* you have 64-bit hardware and you *do* want to try 64bit linux, use a dual-boot setup maybe. otherwise, just download that 386 link you had there |
| 18:49.06 | camaruh | yep |
| 18:49.20 | camaruh | This is actually my son's account. I'm teaching him Linux :) |
| 18:49.30 | camaruh | I'm on osx |
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| 18:49.40 | humbot | uh |
| 18:49.42 | camaruh | He is also learning irc, hehehe |
| 18:49.57 | nyov | shame on you. running expensive osx while dumping cheap linux on your son! |
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| 18:50.12 | camaruh | huh? |
| 18:50.46 | camaruh | osx is company provided. There's nothing I can do with that |
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| 19:25.41 | Mazhive | is there a x2go client only distro |
| 19:26.32 | Mazhive | like booting up in x2go and have only prevalige to this app |
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| 19:29.30 | nsudo | is parrrot os or kali better? |
| 19:30.18 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 19:30.18 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:30.29 | annadane | nsudo, first, not a debian question, second, "better" is subjective, third, you probably shouldn't use either as a daily desktop |
| 19:30.59 | annadane | parrot is less punishing than kali, it AFAIK (i'm rather ignorant) is more of a general-type thing than a purely pentesting tool |
| 19:31.14 | annadane | !whynotpentesting |
| 19:31.15 | dpkg | For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/399626/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
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| 19:31.43 | annadane | in fairness, here's a comment on stackexchange: |
| 19:31.50 | annadane | "If you're looking for a pentesting distribution, then I suggest checking out Parrot Security OS. It's made for pentesters/hackers AND those wanting a general-purpose, secure operating system without the hassle of many security-oriented flavours of GNU/Linux. There is a Lite and a Standard version, where lite comes with far less pentesting tools. Both can serve easily as general purpose computers. I've tested both the lite and standard |
| 19:31.50 | annadane | versions, and both are phenomenal" |
| 19:32.14 | annadane | kali though really is, like, avoid as a desktop machine |
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| 19:33.30 | nsudo | Debian Fan Die Hard Fan Have been born in Debian and till Death Debian :) Thank You Folks !! Greetings of the Season !! |
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| 19:34.47 | nsudo | annadane dpkg i ill try as per your advice thanks |
| 19:35.02 | annadane | . dpkg is just a bot, i invoked it with ! |
| 19:35.11 | annadane | i however am not a bot, beep boop |
| 19:35.27 | nsudo | Wow annadane !!! Shine shine !!! |
| 19:36.24 | nsudo | ksk right@debian!! |
| 19:37.25 | annadane | nsudo, i do suggest debian, unless you have a reason not to |
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| 19:38.39 | annadane | oh, interesting https://medium.com/secjuice/10-reasons-to-prefer-parrot-sec-over-kali-linux-p5yph3r-c54a920e08c3 |
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| 19:44.46 | annadane | for a long time i really thought parrot and kali were on the same footing and would stringently advise against either, but apparently parrot can in fact be used as a desktop |
| 19:44.51 | annadane | not that i really recommend parrot, either |
| 19:45.31 | annadane | not to discourage people too strongly from using other debian derived distro at any cost, because ultimately it helps the ecosystem |
| 19:45.43 | annadane | but unfortunately 'i want to be a hacker' is too prevalent |
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| 19:47.03 | nyov | now someone just needs to write 20 reasons to prefer debian over parrot and kali. when I see that list there, 8/10 "reasons" are about the nice DE look :p |
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| 19:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1) why take a cheap copy when you can have the original |
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| 19:47.49 | nsudo | annadane i want to know about the security of both when it comes to defense or deb tweaks to make it hardcore |
| 19:48.25 | nsudo | so that we can come through google amazon and other spies these days |
| 19:48.37 | annadane | yeah, see, to me that isn't a great motivation |
| 19:48.45 | annadane | it's better to have a more general understanding first |
| 19:49.09 | nsudo | nyov right we all should! annadane right |
| 19:50.06 | annadane | i sound like a shill promoting debian but really, it has a million (not literal) packages and it's good to understand linux as a whole first, especially with again, this sort of hacker mentality where people only want to use linux for pentesting |
| 19:50.18 | nsudo | i am a US CPA and all i care about my servers and data protection, what better than deb |
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| 19:50.43 | nsudo | redhat is not too yum |
| 19:50.50 | annadane | but yes, in terms of 'better', i think if you have to ask that question parrot is 'better' than kali |
| 19:51.05 | annadane | parrot can apparently at least be used as a desktop somewhat, not kali |
| 19:51.27 | nsudo | right parrot is better as desktop kali breaks often |
| 19:52.18 | annadane | i haven't used either and i don't know how often kali breaks but i hear it uses a root shell by default and root is typically only something one uses in special circumstances so it's very easy for a newbie to get burned |
| 19:52.32 | annadane | i should install both on a vm and try it and then i'll really be able to tell users the pitfalls |
| 19:53.30 | nsudo | yes right my vintage macbook pro nvdia scam of apple works wow on deb 10 easily comes over display issues |
| 19:53.54 | nsudo | annadane parrot is better |
| 19:54.03 | annadane | yeah but really, just use debian |
| 19:54.33 | annadane | a lot of people who need to ask are probably new (otherwise they wouldn't be asking here, because debian is not parrot/kali) should just use debian |
| 19:55.39 | nsudo | annadane right am new to these 2 distroz otherwise debian 10 works cool |
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| 19:59.11 | annadane | supposedly parrot does sandbox a bunch of stuff by default |
| 19:59.18 | annadane | so if you're security minded then yeah fine i guess parrot may be ok |
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| 19:59.54 | annadane | anyway, enough of my rambling about it |
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| 20:07.46 | nsudo | annadane yo thanks |
| 20:08.06 | annadane | i just think debian itself also has plenty of security tools and stuff |
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| 20:11.25 | annadane | okay, i do actually have a support question, why in MATE can i not launch terminal based programs from either rofi or the applications menu? |
| 20:11.34 | annadane | in xfce it works fine |
| 20:11.46 | annadane | my preferred terminal application is even set to mate-terminal in the settings |
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| 20:19.46 | nyov | you mean it should automatically run the program in your favorite terminal? |
| 20:19.56 | annadane | well in theory |
| 20:20.47 | annadane | i feel like xfce... sets the... associations differently? i have to look into it |
| 20:21.05 | annadane | not that it's a lot of work to just open up a terminal and type the program name, it's a very trivial question |
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| 20:23.40 | nsudo | xterm works annadane |
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| 20:24.35 | annadane | maybe something in mate-desktop-environment-extras has it |
| 20:25.20 | annadane | or maybe mate just launches with the default terminal, so if i set x-terminal-emulator to mate-terminal it may work |
| 20:27.46 | nsudo | annadane yes it should work |
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| 20:35.54 | jhutchins | annadane: Because linux is text based, it was assumed only GUI applications would be run from the GUI. The default is that you have to either build a menu entry/icon with "run in terminal" enabled, or the console-only program won't launch. |
| 20:36.13 | jhutchins | annadane: Debian or xfce has apparently tweaked that default. |
| 20:36.20 | annadane | okay, so xfce is the exception |
| 20:36.22 | annadane | good to know |
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| 20:37.22 | jhutchins | How did you get text based programs in your start menu to begin with? |
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| 20:38.36 | annadane | *shrug* mate does it automatically |
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| 22:43.23 | kale | i am having some trouble with virt-clone, what i get is "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'need' referenced before assignment". It looks like this bug has been fixed in upstream. would you guys know if there is a fix in debian? |
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| 22:47.58 | kale | in stretch, the function "is_size_conflict" in /usr/share/virt-manager/virtinst/diskbackend.py just always returns false. in buster it actually does something |
| 22:51.28 | jhutchins | ,v virt-clone |
| 22:51.29 | judd | No package named 'virt-clone' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:51.56 | kale | oh, its a binary (or python i think) |
| 22:53.05 | kale | its from virtinst |
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| 23:01.19 | nyov | kale, why don't you just fix it in your script? if it's fixed upstream, look for a related debian bug |
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| 23:02.05 | jhutchins | Is there anything special that has to be done to get a floppy drive working in stretch/buster? |
| 23:02.12 | jhutchins | I mean, I have no idea if it's even connected, but it doesn't seem to show up, and I was wondering if maybe Debian doesn't bother to look for or enable floppies any more. |
| 23:02.20 | jhutchins | Looking to recover some archival material. |
| 23:02.22 | kale | jhutchins: group floppy i think |
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| 23:02.54 | nyov | modprobe floopy |
| 23:02.56 | nyov | maybe |
| 23:02.57 | kale | but i would suggest ddrescue to read them in as images |
| 23:03.20 | nyov | *floppy |
| 23:03.26 | nyov | not floopy. haha |
| 23:03.30 | LaScoumoune | Why lsblk and blkid cmds, show not the same results, no same uuid, and one found information like PTTYPE="gpt" and other. What is the most generic command, and safe command ? |
| 23:03.41 | kale | should be in /dev/fd0 |
| 23:04.05 | nyov | jhutchins: if the modprobe fails, you'd get a dmesg "floppy0: no floppy controllers found". then you know it's not connected |
| 23:04.48 | jhutchins | I get "no such device", but I don't see a controller in LSPCI. I wonder if ther's even a controller on the motherboard. |
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| 23:04.58 | kale | jhutchins: USB or CLASSIC floppy drive? |
| 23:05.28 | jhutchins | kale: Classic. |
| 23:05.34 | kale | you may have to enable the controller in BIOS if its a "classic" drive |
| 23:05.46 | jhutchins | That's a thought. |
| 23:05.49 | kale | it is usually disable to increase boot time |
| 23:06.11 | kale | heh decrease that is |
| 23:06.14 | nyov | :p |
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| 23:09.12 | jhutchins | Well, I guess I'm doing a teardown tomorrow. |
| 23:09.28 | jhutchins | Dig the box out of it's cable neest and open it up. |
| 23:09.38 | kale | hmm... bug is not reported |
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| 23:10.15 | nyov | jhutchins: only to notice all those floopies have so much bitrot by now as to be unrecoverable |
| 23:11.09 | nyov | I should try the same with my collection. maybe there is still something salvageable, though I doubt it :( |
| 23:12.09 | kale | my mom has the old sony mavica digital camera, that saves images directly on a floppy. she uses an USB floppy drive with little trouble. alone from the noise of an old drive, compared to the new one, i can recommend getting an USB drive |
| 23:13.33 | jhutchins | I'm pretty good at recovering data. |
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| 23:15.01 | jhutchins | Yeah. That's a probable outcome. |
| 23:18.09 | nyov | images on a floppy? a regular old 1.44mb *high-density* floppy? how many images does a camera save on that? |
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| 23:19.41 | jack | 3 dvds for installation...quite heavy! |
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| 23:34.11 | ksk | kale: haha, my dad had one of these, too. I suppose it was sub-megapixel, so it fit quite some imgaes.. |
| 23:34.50 | kale | nyov: it is quite many, and the image quality is really bad, there is no exif tag, but the camera had a blazing 12x optical zoom |
| 23:35.41 | kale | and dont mention the time waiting between images while it stored data on the floppy .-) |
| 23:36.00 | jhutchins | Those were mostly 720x480 |
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| 23:37.26 | otyugh | heya there ! |
| 23:37.48 | otyugh | I was wondering : why findutils is not a dependance to the apt's package ? |
| 23:37.48 | nyov | kale, still impressive :p |
| 23:37.59 | otyugh | seem it can't work properly without it |
| 23:38.03 | ksk | ,i findutils |
| 23:38.05 | judd | Package findutils (utils, required) in buster/amd64: utilities for finding files--find, xargs. Version: 4.6.0+git+20190209-2; Size: 667.5k; Installed: 1938k; Homepage: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/findutils/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/findutils |
| 23:38.22 | ksk | otyugh: does not look optional to me.. |
| 23:38.56 | otyugh | when they are tagged "essentiel" they don't get to go as dependency ? |
| 23:39.20 | otyugh | I can see that "locate" for instance have "findutils" as explicit dependency |
| 23:39.23 | kale | finally made his first debian bugreport |
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| 23:39.40 | nyov | no need to have dependencies on essential packages. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#dependencies |
| 23:39.43 | ksk | yeah, just saw that too. |
| 23:40.03 | otyugh | so the locate dependecy is the one out of the idea |
| 23:40.06 | ksk | kk, what nyov say, then :) |
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| 23:41.33 | otyugh | wow great answer. Thanks ! |
| 23:41.48 | nyov | nice job, kale |
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