| 00:00.02 | nyov | debian-announce@pixar.com - would sound crazy today, right? https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1994/msg00005.html |
| 00:03.27 | at0m | =) |
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| 00:11.39 | at0m | 1994: 8 messages on debian mailing list. first of 1995, Perens signs with "mailing list maintainer". a couple later, Ian posts a list of mirrors, quite extensive already i think: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1995/msg00005.html |
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| 00:16.59 | dka | how can I have one fingerprint per user on linux using fprintd ? (instead on one per system) |
| 00:19.42 | RonWhoCares | Would someone be able to tell me how to address the locale error @ https://pastebin.com/KdJxidGN |
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| 00:20.58 | Habbie | RonWhoCares, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and install the two mentioned in the error |
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| 00:21.16 | Habbie | RonWhoCares, or change your locales to something already installed (i have no hints for how to do that, sorry) |
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| 00:22.37 | RonWhoCares | My mind is about mush right now. I've just migrated to a new production error after 2 hard drives wore out from old age and a new hard drive had a manufacturing defect. I have now gone to (2) SSD's . They should last me a while |
| 00:23.29 | littledot | hello |
| 00:24.01 | RonWhoCares | Thank you |
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| 00:25.10 | dvs | RonWhoCares, it depends how busy the server is. |
| 00:25.27 | littledot | can please anyone tell me why i can't install debian on a sony vaio but ubuntu works fine |
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| 00:28.01 | dvs | littledot, because you didn't use the unofficial firmware iso? |
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| 00:29.21 | littledot | i think i already tried the firmware onoficial iso too |
| 00:29.28 | littledot | but i'm not sure |
| 00:29.34 | littledot | i have the iso |
| 00:30.15 | littledot | is it worth to try right ? |
| 00:30.33 | dvs | Of course. I only use the firmware iso |
| 00:30.47 | littledot | ok. tnks dvs |
| 00:30.53 | dvs | np |
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| 01:21.13 | agris | When Debian created iceweasel, were you able to re-license firefox under the GPL as long as you removed all the nonfree branding and didn't call it firefox? |
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| 01:23.47 | exavator | merry christmas everyone |
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| 01:33.21 | ziprasidone | jelly: grub worked with bios part before |
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| 01:46.39 | zerosniffer317 | ls |
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| 01:52.13 | warsoul | what bot you guys suggest easy to use, stable and lot of protections (flood,spam, etc.? |
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| 01:59.31 | annadane | warsoul, for an irc bot i guess check out supybot/limnoria |
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| 01:59.41 | annadane | i don't know of any others but that personally |
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| 02:12.49 | nyov | +1 for limnoria. seems solid advice |
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| 02:37.14 | warsoul | how do i uninstall memorytest86+ |
| 02:38.01 | rgwu | Why would you want to? |
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| 02:39.16 | warsoul | rgwu dont want to see it on the grub lol |
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| 02:39.40 | rgwu | Oh. You don't have to uninstall it for that. Just set your menu timeout to 0 seconds. Boom, out of sight. |
| 02:39.50 | warsoul | lol |
| 02:39.54 | rgwu | :) |
| 02:40.01 | warsoul | for some reason it didnt work for me |
| 02:40.32 | warsoul | when i selected memorytest all disappeared just the grub wallpaper thats it |
| 02:40.34 | rgwu | I'm no grub expert so I'll defer at this point. I get it working by trial and error, get the menu delay set to 0, and then forget it exists. |
| 02:41.18 | nyov | you could remove it from /etc/grub.d/ and run update-grub. Or uninstall it via apt |
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| 04:36.01 | annadane | how to see which man page a package has? |
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| 04:38.21 | annadane | actually never mind i don't think this one has one |
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| 04:55.45 | ksk | annadane: dirty method: "dpkg -L pkg | grep man" |
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| 04:59.33 | ksk | "apropos topic/package" could of course also help |
| 04:59.59 | annadane | so limnoria's man pages are all called supybot-* and if you try installing supybot, it removes limnoria |
| 05:00.17 | annadane | i haven't actually found info as to why supybot was forked in the first place |
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| 05:01.26 | annadane | though as per usual i'm stupidly not checking the upstream documentation |
| 05:01.48 | annadane | "Limnoria is the project which continues development of Supybot since 2010." there you go |
| 05:01.55 | annadane | i am the smartest person alive. =/ |
| 05:02.10 | ksk | should have a "replaces" tag then or so |
| 05:02.27 | annadane | Conflicts: supybot |
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| 05:17.27 | nyov | does anyone remember those ICQ and AIM chatbots, which would start talking to you and try to fool you as long as possible into thinking they were persons? |
| 05:18.17 | nyov | oops, ot again. |
| 05:19.15 | annadane | yes! |
| 05:19.21 | annadane | i loved those |
| 05:20.36 | Telerophon | Yeah. They still exist but they are advertisements now |
| 05:20.37 | Telerophon | lol |
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| 05:28.57 | nvz | its called a free parking :P |
| 05:29.18 | nvz | ads pay for the parked domain |
| 05:29.59 | ksk | there was a practice in the game Diablo2, where you needed new chars to have some amount of play-time on them to be not deleted for inactivity. parking games where a thing ;) |
| 05:30.44 | ksk | imho off-topic is okay-ish at this time, as far as no one is actually looking for support (and ops are not around..) |
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| 06:30.26 | johndoe85 | cat file.txt |grep :exclude_all_output_on_all_lines_after_this_sign how do i do this? |
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| 06:32.14 | jm_ | sed -ne '1,/foo/p' |
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| 06:33.43 | johndoe85 | where foo is : ? |
| 06:33.59 | ksk | what you call sign |
| 06:34.21 | johndoe85 | colon |
| 06:34.27 | jm_ | foo is a regex that should match the last line you want printed |
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| 06:39.31 | johndoe85 | sed "s/[.].*//" data.txt > cleaned.txt |
| 06:39.43 | johndoe85 | this did the trick, but thx for pointing me in the right direction! :) |
| 06:41.15 | jm_ | ahh I totally misunderstood the question, you wanted to remove text from all lines, yeah that's s/// command |
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| 06:43.05 | johndoe85 | =) |
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| 06:57.47 | johndoe85 | i have however, some trouble finding some example regarding generating all gears between 1900-2000 and sort them in numberical order |
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| 07:03.20 | jm_ | years? |
| 07:03.45 | jm_ | seq 1900 2000 |
| 07:04.25 | johndoe85 | hah damn nice |
| 07:04.28 | johndoe85 | f perfect :D |
| 07:07.27 | han-solo | echo {1900..2000} |
| 07:08.00 | johndoe85 | the echo didnt work |
| 07:08.30 | han-solo | er, that was bah |
| 07:08.32 | han-solo | bash* |
| 07:08.40 | han-solo | which shell are you using ? |
| 07:08.43 | johndoe85 | bash |
| 07:08.49 | johndoe85 | but its sorted, i got the years listed ;P |
| 07:09.33 | jm_ | yeah some shells can also do this (i.e. bash and zsh) |
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| 07:16.31 | han-solo | although, i wonder which version of `bash` was that |
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| 07:17.09 | annadane | 9999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 07:17.38 | annadane | *greycat still answering asinine questions about it in 2065* |
| 07:18.00 | johndoe85 | 5.0.11(1)-release |
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| 07:20.57 | han-solo | maybe you need to enable the brace expansion, `set -B` |
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| 07:22.00 | johndoe85 | in .bashrc? |
| 07:24.11 | han-solo | it's enabled by default :|. I don't know |
| 07:24.21 | han-solo | perhaps greycat may answer later |
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| 07:25.31 | ayekat | johndoe85: are you doing that in a shell script or on the command line? |
| 07:27.03 | han-solo | -Bbrace expansionEnable brace expansion (default setting = on) |
| 07:27.25 | han-solo | so maybe in some of your rc file, maybe somebody has disabled it :) |
| 07:29.12 | ayekat | johndoe85: (as in, the `echo {1900..2000}` part) |
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| 07:31.41 | johndoe85 | commandline |
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| 07:48.30 | ws2k3 | i have a machine with like 100 public ip's connected to it on like 3 different interfaces. now i need to do a curl request with one spesific ip. how would i do that? |
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| 07:51.39 | jm_ | man curl lists --interface - tried that? |
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| 07:54.07 | ws2k3 | jm_ looks interesting. but it only allow to specify the interface. what if i have multiple ip's on that interface? |
| 07:54.54 | han-solo | eth0:1 |
| 07:55.02 | han-solo | or :2, or :3 |
| 07:55.06 | han-solo | or whatever |
| 07:55.24 | jm_ | ws2k3: it says it allows interface or IP |
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| 07:55.56 | han-solo | er, nice. Directly you can do too |
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| 07:57.06 | ws2k3 | jm_ thanks that worked with --interface ip |
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| 07:59.35 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 08:12.19 | z8z | Where can i find some documentation on how to make some theme for Debian Mate? |
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| 08:15.51 | Telerophon | check the documentation on mate itself |
| 08:16.26 | Telerophon | start here. z8z : https://mate-desktop.org/development/ |
| 08:18.17 | z8z | Ok thanks |
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| 08:42.50 | r3m1 | hello |
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| 08:43.15 | ksk | r3m1: morning |
| 08:43.15 | r3m1 | just added an IPV6 in my /etc/hosts with <ipv6> servername |
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| 08:43.37 | r3m1 | now if i ping servername it says "unknown host servername" |
| 08:43.45 | r3m1 | is there a special syntax for ipv6 ? |
| 08:44.03 | ksk | r3m1: you are talking ping6? no, kind of the same syntax. care to paste? |
| 08:44.04 | ksk | !paste |
| 08:44.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:44.41 | ksk | syntax is "ip hostname" - not too hard :P |
| 08:45.13 | r3m1 | ok so ping is wrong and I should be using ping6 |
| 08:45.42 | ksk | yes. |
| 08:46.01 | jm_ | or ping -6 |
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| 08:54.56 | r3m1 | when I try to ping or connect to the ipv6 machine, it would say network unreachable |
| 08:55.20 | r3m1 | google shows how to check/verify ipv6 support in kernel using lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 08:55.58 | r3m1 | grpe ipv6 returns no result and modprobe ipv6 does not change anything. But all those resources are so old |
| 08:56.11 | r3m1 | isn't ipv6 supported by default ? |
| 08:56.16 | ksk | r3m1: |
| 08:56.24 | ksk | do you have ipv6 networking configured, to start with? |
| 08:56.40 | r3m1 | i guess not :P |
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| 08:56.47 | r3m1 | i'm not sure, though |
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| 08:56.57 | ksk | is that a home environment? Does your connection support v6? |
| 08:57.38 | ksk | nowadays, with a modern router and modern internet connection (in europe) you would automagicly get a v6 address on your computers |
| 08:58.20 | r3m1 | when i ifconfig I see ipv6 addresses attached to my hardware |
| 08:58.34 | ksk | anything that does _not_ start with fe80? |
| 08:58.50 | ksk | these would be "localhost" equivalents (simplified) |
| 08:59.01 | ksk | so called link-local addresses |
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| 10:30.21 | diogenes_ | so Debian is debating the init system again? |
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| 10:30.53 | B|ack0p | hi |
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| 11:08.39 | nyov | as long as people have differing views on the matter, there will always be debate. thats just life |
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| 11:30.43 | MidnightRanger | In all this debate about systemd, I have a questions though...This discomfort let's say, is it based on functional and operational defficiencies or is it merely philosophical? I honestly say, this is pretty unclear to me! |
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| 11:34.23 | nyov | MidnightRanger, I can only speak for myself. But I'm very interested in this vote outcome, as it will determine whether I try for DM or more some time, or if I'll rather go invest my time in devuan. |
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| 11:40.08 | nyov | without wanting to spark a discussion again, for me it's definitely philosophical. systemd isn't an init system, it's an ecosystem. systemd, journald, networkd, logind, firewalld... should be systemdOS/Linux. this is what Windows95 was to DOS :p |
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| 11:50.13 | n4dir | yeah, it pretty much depends whom you ask. (though i'd say that the philosophical part nyov mentioned is kinda functional too) |
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| 11:52.15 | Rodon | its difficult to drop systemd as all major distros based on it ..now gnome also has started using systemd ..so its going to be harder for any distro to experiment on a thing which is purely a philosophical(anti-unix) . |
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| 11:53.27 | n4dir | last thing i heard there still would be the option to use one of the BSD's |
| 11:53.56 | n4dir | besides the small(er) linux distros. |
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| 11:55.24 | nyov | that is like saying we should be doing this because everyone else is doing it. I'd rather say, if debian becomes systemd-only, there's no big distribution left fighting for the alternatives, and THEN with no alternative, it will be quite hard not to go down the road of vendor lock in together. |
| 11:56.05 | Deknos | are there any rules/recommendation/guidelines for packaging ansible roles? |
| 11:57.01 | nyov | Deknos: I really don't know. in what capacity? as part of an existing package, or as a package of rules? |
| 11:57.11 | nyov | *roles |
| 11:57.43 | Deknos | as a package of roles |
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| 11:59.35 | nyov | I'll have to pass on that. But you could ask in #debian-mentors (on OFTC !) for help with packaging, so this should fit the topic |
| 12:00.12 | nyov | or in #packaging on oftc |
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| 13:51.42 | Delta706 | can I get info on connected device from the kernel somehow? |
| 13:51.52 | Delta706 | *devices |
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| 13:55.41 | dvs | Delta706, it depends on how it's connected. |
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| 14:00.18 | jelly | Delta706, commands like lspci, lsusb and others all gain the info from the kernel |
| 14:00.25 | jelly | !what's my hardware |
| 14:00.25 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 14:00.28 | denken | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.34 | denken | sigh. |
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| 14:01.34 | Delta706 | thanks jelly. I will give that a try |
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| 14:12.40 | TheM4rco | Hello, I have a security problem, I got root access to my ISP FTTH router, and I saw that there are 6 Ip addresses that have rights to my router right? https://paste.debian.net/1122543/ |
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| 14:14.08 | eww1 | lol |
| 14:14.43 | eww1 | those ips are in the same isp network? |
| 14:14.55 | eww1 | how you have root access on it? |
| 14:15.05 | eww1 | they gave you or you made your own way in |
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| 14:15.29 | jelly | TheM4rco, 1) being able to talk icmp isn't the same as "having access" 2) how is this a Debian issue |
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| 14:16.01 | nyov | TheM4rco: why would they have rights to your router? it looks like those are source addresses, which likely come from your network |
| 14:16.09 | TheM4rco | eww1 I found my own way to get root |
| 14:16.25 | eww1 | well if you got your way in then anyone else can |
| 14:16.26 | eww1 | so trash it |
| 14:16.36 | eww1 | ask for a more secure box |
| 14:16.44 | nyov | eww1: that's quite the assumption |
| 14:16.46 | jelly | what. no |
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| 14:17.17 | nyov | eww1: you didn't even ask if they opened the box physically for that or how root access was gained |
| 14:17.20 | jelly | in any case, unless the router is running Debian, this does not sound like a question for this channel |
| 14:17.23 | TheM4rco | How can I block access? |
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| 14:18.07 | eww1 | ask your isp to set it up as bridge mode |
| 14:18.10 | TheM4rco | and tr069 is also active :( |
| 14:18.10 | eww1 | and put your own router |
| 14:18.13 | jelly | TheM4rco, who says there's any kind of access |
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| 14:19.15 | TheM4rco | eww1 bridge mode I can do it myself now with root rights |
| 14:19.32 | eww1 | yeah but if they do firmware upgrade |
| 14:19.38 | eww1 | and patch it? |
| 14:20.19 | TheM4rco | eww1: Yes, I'm closing Tr69 too |
| 14:20.23 | eww1 | what router is this |
| 14:20.28 | eww1 | huawei /zte? |
| 14:20.35 | jelly | TheM4rco, eww1: unless the router is running Debian, move this conversation to some more appropriate place, like ##networking or ##security or ##i-need-to-learn-what-icmp-is |
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| 14:21.12 | TheM4rco | eww1 yes a mixture of that |
| 14:22.31 | nyov | /join ##i-need-to-learn-what-icmp-is |
| 14:22.58 | nyov | lol |
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| 14:23.46 | wodim | TheM4rco, if those addresses are in your isp's network, it's perfeclty normal for them to have a backdoor to your rooter (I said normal, not acceptable, which depends on you) |
| 14:23.58 | TheM4rco | no |
| 14:24.01 | eww1 | lol |
| 14:24.03 | TheM4rco | ip China |
| 14:24.05 | TheM4rco | germany |
| 14:24.08 | TheM4rco | ... |
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| 14:25.01 | jelly | TheM4rco, move this to PM or another channel. You're quieted for 10 minutes. |
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| 14:50.44 | a|3x | hi |
| 14:50.46 | a|3x | i am having problems mounting glusterfs volume (no data available), im running glustefs server in a docker container trying to mount from outside docker, what am i doing wrong? |
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| 15:03.13 | Peyam | hi. do you guys know a good application that decrease the blue light of the screen depending on the sun's position? using long and latitude? |
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| 15:16.21 | nevivurn | Peyam: I use redshift. Not ure how smart it is about chaning day lengths, though. |
| 15:16.42 | Peyam | nevivurn, Im trying to get a hand of it |
| 15:17.06 | nevivurn | ? |
| 15:17.13 | nevivurn | It's packaged in debian. |
| 15:17.17 | nevivurn | ,v redshift |
| 15:17.18 | judd | Package: redshift on amd64 -- jessie: 1.9.1-4; stretch: 1.11-1; buster: 1.12-2; bullseye: 1.12-2+b1; sid: 1.12-2+b1 |
| 15:17.41 | Peyam | Yeah I m working on it but it makes the screen to redish |
| 15:17.57 | nevivurn | uh, I thought that's what you wanted to do. |
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| 15:18.20 | Peyam | yeah I found it just before your comment |
| 15:18.37 | nevivurn | Ah, good good. |
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| 15:29.34 | Peyam | anybody knows how I add a ppa in debian? |
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| 15:33.05 | mtn | Peyam: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:33.27 | Peyam | mtn, well I don't really have the energy to do the hard way |
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| 15:55.19 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to install debian testing on a Auchan computer, , but the auchan boot loader says the usb is not bootable , I used a debian iso I recorded to usb with dd , any ideas? |
| 15:56.12 | greycat | what CPU architecture does the Auchan have, and what image did you download? |
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| 15:58.17 | netcrash | atom cpu with 1GB RAM greycat |
| 15:58.34 | netcrash | I'm tring to use debian testing amd64 |
| 15:58.35 | greycat | some atoms (maybe all?) are i386 only, I think |
| 15:58.42 | nyov | Peyam, just add the PPA like a regular rpository to apt sources |
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| 15:59.20 | nyov | but if it breaks, leave the pieces elsewhere :0 |
| 15:59.26 | netcrash | greycat: going to try with i386 then |
| 15:59.28 | netcrash | thank you |
| 15:59.39 | damex | greycat: i am pretty sure there is lots of x86_64 intel atoms ;) |
| 15:59.49 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom#Architecture says there are some, yeah |
| 15:59.56 | damex | we need a name of cpu |
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| 16:06.50 | netcrash | CPU Z3735G |
| 16:07.08 | joepublic | ZipChip 9000 (from apple marketing materials ca. 1983) |
| 16:08.42 | greycat | https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/80275/intel-atom-processor-z3735g-2m-cache-up-to-1-83-ghz.html says that's a 64 bit one |
| 16:09.19 | joepublic | even has VT-x |
| 16:09.27 | greycat | the other thing to double-check is that you actually downloaded the amd64 image and NOT the arm64 image |
| 16:09.36 | greycat | it's really easy to mix those up at a glance |
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| 16:10.20 | netcrash | greycat: cool , but not the case, it's the amd64 |
| 16:10.51 | netcrash | to write the image to usb I did dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1G |
| 16:11.15 | netcrash | I have to use a windows recovery tool for the system to install and boot from a efi usb |
| 16:11.42 | greycat | well, you said you used a "testing" image... have you tried stable? |
| 16:12.35 | joepublic | usu. easier to install stable and then upgrade to testing, than to test installing testing |
| 16:13.34 | greycat | Upgrading from stable *is* the recommended way to run testing. Using an installer that's labelled "testing" is only done to test the installer. I guess you can report that it didn't work. |
| 16:13.39 | greycat | also, |
| 16:13.41 | greycat | !debian-next |
| 16:13.41 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:16.23 | netcrash | Have to go out , will test this later. Thank you |
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| 16:51.17 | jkh | I've just swtiched to debian from slackware, and I like the easy package system. I need to install a nvidia driver so I can use the gpu. I'm running on bullseye. |
| 16:52.02 | diogenes_ | jkh, why not nouveau? |
| 16:52.18 | jkh | Does nouveau now support the GPU? |
| 16:52.28 | diogenes_ | btw is slackware still kicking? |
| 16:53.03 | greycat | "I've just switched to Debian so obviously the first thing I'm going to do is throw away the package marked stable and open the one marked testing, what could possibly go wrong" |
| 16:53.04 | jkh | I guess it's still kicking, but it has not updated in maybe three years, and it's quite stale now. |
| 16:53.22 | jkh | I've been doing computers since 1970. |
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| 16:54.30 | jkh | Anyway, some help would be appreciated with getting Nvidia to run. |
| 16:54.52 | diogenes_ | !nvidia |
| 16:54.52 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:55.01 | greycat | step one, identify the chipset, by running lspci -nn |
| 16:55.34 | greycat | step two, figure out whether the nvidia dkms stuff in bullseye supports that hardware AT ALL |
| 16:56.22 | jkh | The card is an old GTX-1060 with 3 GB. This is only my first rodeo with Debian. |
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| 16:58.17 | diogenes_ | jkh, you need to install nvidia-installer, for that you neer contrib repos. |
| 16:58.33 | jim | hi... I'm curious, does ubuntu and other folks involved with other debian derivatives, submit bug reports with fixes to the original debian bug trackers? If so, does debian accept them? |
| 16:58.42 | greycat | GTX 1060 3GB is on the list of supported devices at http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.48/README/supportedchips.html which is the first link from the wiki's nvidia page under stretch |
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| 16:59.13 | greycat | so the regular nvidia dkms approach should work, probably maybe |
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| 17:03.15 | uenuenONN | high brew and dev, let's try these by df: root:root 000 bootloader|vmlinuz|initrd -> *-signed-packed-compressed-crypted ( onthefly[&dependantmanaged] ) ofuscated&noballast |
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| 17:03.38 | uenuenONN | anymore dread? |
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| 17:15.13 | horribleprogram | A system admin question |
| 17:15.43 | horribleprogram | systemd uses these targets, and my systemctl get-default is graphical.target |
| 17:16.04 | horribleprogram | but in all honesty, I don't need a GUI, in fact, I solely ssh into it |
| 17:16.33 | greycat | graphical.target only differs from multi-user.target if a display manager package is installed |
| 17:16.34 | horribleprogram | now there's different init levels, but I'm not sure which one to use as my default to prevent GUI from loading |
| 17:17.04 | greycat | to stop a DM from running, you can either change the systemd target, or you can remove the display manager package(s) |
| 17:17.18 | horribleprogram | I'd rather go with the first |
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| 17:17.36 | horribleprogram | as I might need the GUI in the future, like if I ever take the laptop to a cafe or some shit |
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| 17:17.52 | horribleprogram | so systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 17:17.54 | horribleprogram | ? |
| 17:18.12 | horribleprogram | Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/default.target → /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target. |
| 17:18.17 | horribleprogram | ahh I see |
| 17:18.32 | greycat | by the way, you CAN HAVE a gui without a display manager. that's how I do it, and how lots of other people do it. just run 'startx'. |
| 17:18.32 | horribleprogram | okay lemme reboot, see what haappens |
| 17:19.44 | horribleprogram | you mean you can start a GUI explicitly with startx? |
| 17:19.54 | greycat | Yes. |
| 17:20.01 | horribleprogram | yeah so boot into multi-user.target, then if you need the GUI to load just starx |
| 17:20.07 | horribleprogram | yeah it worked |
| 17:20.59 | horribleprogram | /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg.wrap: Only console users are allowed to run the X server |
| 17:21.20 | horribleprogram | iight that makes sense |
| 17:21.30 | horribleprogram | why would I want to startx when I'm ssh'd into it |
| 17:21.31 | netcrash | Hello again |
| 17:21.37 | horribleprogram | tyvm greycat |
| 17:21.41 | netcrash | greycat: even with stable it does not boot |
| 17:21.43 | horribleprogram | happy holidays |
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| 17:47.30 | johnfg | just back in the office. |
| 17:47.50 | johnfg | Any solutions thought of for my problem of openvpn client not starting with systemd? |
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| 17:48.09 | netcrash | greycat: changed the bios of laptop to support uefi and still does not work |
| 17:48.15 | ksk | johnfg: you have errors and configs handy? link please |
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| 17:52.54 | johnfg | I do, but you didn't see them yesterday or Friday? |
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| 18:01.54 | netcrash | How can I remount a iso rw ? |
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| 18:02.32 | greycat | You can't. ISO 9660 is not a modifiable file system format. |
| 18:02.51 | johnfg | ksk: http://paste.debian.net/1122562/ this is the .service script. |
| 18:03.16 | johnfg | I'll paste the relevant parts of journalctl for the errors. |
| 18:03.17 | greycat | What you *can* do is mount it, copy out all of the files, modify the copy, and create a new ISO 9660 image. BUT, HOWEVER, *** NOTA BENE *** the Debian installer images are NOT just simple ISO 9660 images. |
| 18:04.53 | johnfg | http://paste.debian.net/1122563/ contains the errors (without /usr/bin/strace -f in the ExecStart= line. |
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| 18:06.08 | ksk | johnfg: how about the openvpn config? |
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| 18:06.41 | ksk | johnfg: tun/tap kernel module is loaded? |
| 18:07.31 | ksk | I remember what others said about that error and I agree it sounds not unlikely, but lets go another road now.. |
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| 18:10.12 | ksk | johnfg: to rule out the "is systemd meh" you could remove all security related things in the service file (maybe dont, BAD) |
| 18:10.58 | ksk | johnfg: I am on the other hand not inclined to believe, that openvpn in its default debian configuration would fail to start in stable |
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| 18:12.22 | johnfg | ksk, ok I forgot about my client.conf, but I'll paste that. BTW...it all works fine from the cli. so, yes, tun/tap kernel module is loaded. |
| 18:12.36 | johnfg | I never had this problem before upgrading last week to buster. |
| 18:13.31 | johnfg | http://paste.debian.net/1122565/ is my client.conf. |
| 18:13.32 | ksk | ah okay, mhhm. |
| 18:13.36 | spacebug^ | is using openvpn with buster and it works |
| 18:13.38 | johnfg | Anything else you want to see? |
| 18:14.13 | jhutchins | johnfg: It's pretty much obvious by now that the Debian supporters don't know how you got to where you are. For other people it works. I would suggest getting in touch with openvpn's support channels, which are probably a forum or mailing list. |
| 18:14.16 | ksk | mhhm, a "dpkg -i" maybe? |
| 18:14.17 | jhutchins | !openvpn |
| 18:14.18 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
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| 18:14.53 | jhutchins | johnfg: See, there's even a dedicated irc channel. |
| 18:15.25 | ksk | but jhutchins is right, at this point I am like looking to prove you have lied to use (about for example running inside a container, having installed and configured SElinux, or whatnot..) |
| 18:15.35 | ksk | s/use/us/ |
| 18:15.46 | johnfg | jhutchins: I want to inform, once again, that I've been using openvpn on debian for every version, seems like forever. |
| 18:16.01 | johnfg | Never had any problems until upgrading to buster. |
| 18:16.05 | ksk | we ware not saying you are wrong, but we dont know! |
| 18:16.13 | ksk | dont know in regards how to go on debugging that. |
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| 18:16.51 | johnfg | I still don't get how it starts from the cli, but not with systemd. |
| 18:17.07 | jak2000 | exist a way for know if logrotate is installed? |
| 18:17.19 | greycat | jak2000: dpkg -l logrotate |
| 18:17.26 | ksk | also, there is a channel #systemd - dedicated people in there! |
| 18:18.06 | greycat | johnfg: the obvious answer is "systemd is launching it in an environment with tightened security, reduced privileges, etc." and the strace -f would help us pinpoint exactly WHAT is going on |
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| 18:18.21 | greycat | but we've only been asking for that for 5 days, so, y'know, you do you |
| 18:18.35 | jak2000 | greycat thanks |
| 18:20.10 | johnfg | greycat: did you not see my paste yesterday of the errors from journalctl with strace -f enabled? |
| 18:20.24 | greycat | What's the URL? |
| 18:20.45 | johnfg | Here's another matter that I think I just fixed, after the upgrade to buster. |
| 18:21.42 | johnfg | My apache2 and php7.3 both needed (and had in stretch) a fully functioning mysql(i). However, it did *not* get installed, or somehow got removed during the upgrade. |
| 18:22.08 | johnfg | I just installed php7.3-mysql, and I have a working website again. |
| 18:22.51 | johnfg | http://dpaste.com/3KMCAE6 here's strace -f |
| 18:23.12 | johnfg | greycat: That line was from yesterday, before leaving for 2nd job. |
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| 18:23.34 | greycat | Christ. Now I have to figure out how to get raw for this site... |
| 18:23.54 | johnfg | greycat: I don't *expect* you guys to always be here at my beck and call, so I'm not chiding anyone, but I did paste it. |
| 18:24.14 | greycat | Fuck it. I'll try it in lynx instead of curl.... |
| 18:24.17 | johnfg | And, I do appreciate anyone that's offering to help. |
| 18:24.41 | greycat | Ah, lynx says you add .txt to the end of the URL to get the actual content. |
| 18:25.13 | greycat | OK, now where is the strace output? |
| 18:26.10 | greycat | There isn't some crazy "this page has multiple virtual tabs and you have to use javascript to navigate them" crap going on, is there? |
| 18:26.55 | jim | johnfg, in a lot of ways, postgres is of higher quality than mysql... you might consider it for future projects |
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| 18:27.48 | johnfg | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/1122566/ try and see if this one is any better. It's fresh! |
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| 18:28.19 | johnfg | jim: I'm actually using mariadb. you feel the same about postgres vs. mariadb? |
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| 18:29.06 | jim | it's pretty much the same, just a rebranded mysql that oracle doesn't own |
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| 18:29.19 | greycat | Dec 24 11:26:04 churchdebian strace[8394]: [pid 8398] execve("/sbin/ip", ["/sbin/ip", "link", "set", "dev", "tun0", "up", "mtu", "1500"], 0x56056ef67d28 /* 47 vars */) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 18:29.31 | jim | (of course, maybe oracle -thinks- it owns mariadb) |
| 18:30.55 | greycat | So, it *still* points toward "there is some security configuration that's disallowing execution of this program". Did you follow the dpkg factoid that was triggered earlier that said you have to use "security-something 2" in the config to run external programs? |
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| 18:32.21 | greycat | Also, for the chat logs, the working URL for strace -f output for johnfg's problem is http://paste.debian.net/plain/1122566/ |
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| 18:33.17 | johnfg | greycat: I didn't see the dpkg factoid that was triggered earlier that said you have to use "security-something 2" in the config to run external programs |
| 18:33.26 | greycat | !openvpn |
| 18:33.26 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 18:33.29 | greycat | How did you miss it? |
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| 18:33.34 | johnfg | Is there a way I can get that back? |
| 18:33.46 | greycat | look up a few lines |
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| 18:34.44 | johnfg | Yeah, we hit Enter at the same time. Is the "ask me about <spu> something for /msg? |
| 18:35.24 | jim | you could do it in /msg, in which case the bot would respond back in /msg |
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| 18:36.46 | johnfg | I got it, thanks. |
| 18:38.58 | johnfg | the url for "Jessie" users doesn't contain anything about where to put script-security 2. Where would that go? |
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| 18:42.40 | jim | johnfg, you're a jessie user? |
| 18:43.03 | jim | ever want to upgrade to the newer stable? |
| 18:43.54 | greycat | ,v openvpn |
| 18:43.56 | judd | Package: openvpn on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.3.4-5+deb8u2; stretch-security: 2.4.0-6+deb9u1; stretch: 2.4.0-6+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2.4.7-1~bpo9+1; bullseye: 2.4.7-1; buster: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.4.7-1 |
| 18:44.28 | greycat | they're running " OpenVPN 2.4.7" according to their own URL, so buster or newer. |
| 18:46.19 | johnfg | I should be running the latest on everything. |
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| 18:46.49 | johnfg | I did add the OPTARGS=" --script-security 2 |
| 18:46.50 | johnfg | " |
| 18:47.05 | johnfg | to /etc/default/openvpn, but still getting errors. |
| 18:48.16 | johnfg | Should I reboot and see if it comes up? |
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| 18:48.44 | spacebug^ | I have 'script-security 2' on my config which is fed to openvpn |
| 18:49.13 | johnfg | spacebug^: in the file I mentioned? /etc/default/openvpn? |
| 18:49.35 | spacebug^ | no, this is in the config I got from ny vpn provider |
| 18:49.40 | spacebug^ | my* |
| 18:49.52 | johnfg | spacebug^: Can you paste it? |
| 18:51.14 | spacebug^ | http://paste.debian.net/1122569 |
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| 18:54.13 | gry | I don't get why installing wine requires adding i386 arch. Can it not do everything with 64bit? |
| 18:55.18 | nevivurn | gry: You **can** install wine without adding i386 and stick to just wine64, if that works for you. |
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| 18:57.00 | nevivurn | It's just that a lot of applications won't work with just wine64, due to bugs mostly. |
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| 18:57.29 | nevivurn | And it can't run 32-bit binaries. |
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| 20:33.31 | qdb | hello. i installed nvidia driver on debian 10, it worked, but after some restarts and installs noveau is loaded. i tried to add a file with blacklist nouveau in modprobe.d , but then black screen , i had to comment that out. |
| 20:34.17 | qdb | after nvidia, i installed: steam, nvidia driver libs i386 , amd microcode . one of these might affect it. |
| 20:35.45 | qdb | nvidia gt 240, amd athlon ii x2 |
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| 21:15.43 | Elon_Sat0shi | Hello! |
| 21:15.53 | Elon_Sat0shi | Is it possible to install a .deb file using aptitude? |
| 21:16.23 | greycat | I don't know. Did you try? Why are you imposing this requirement upon yourself? Why not just use apt-get or apt? |
| 21:16.31 | greycat | !apt install |
| 21:16.31 | dpkg | You can specify a pathname to a manually downloaded .deb file in apt install, but it must begin with / or ./ or ../ or else apt thinks it's a package name. E.g. "apt install ./foo-1.2.deb". This supersedes <gdebi>. |
| 21:16.47 | Elon_Sat0shi | Because I like aptitude I guess |
| 21:16.56 | greycat | well, TIAS |
| 21:17.16 | Elon_Sat0shi | What does TIAS stand for? |
| 21:17.26 | greycat | !TIAS |
| 21:17.26 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 21:40.29 | Malivaso | Can I post raspbian problems here |
| 21:40.51 | serverman | Malivaso, theres a raspberrypi channel |
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| 21:41.42 | greycat | !raspbian |
| 21:41.42 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 21:46.12 | john_k_h | I need to install the nvidia driver on buster. Any ideas how this works? Debian seems to be ok for Deb 9, but not 10. |
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| 21:47.15 | towo` | john_k_h, and you exact problem is? |
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| 21:49.34 | Malivaso | Can I post raspbian problems here |
| 21:50.35 | annadane | !raspbian |
| 21:50.35 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 21:55.09 | john_k_h | towo: I'm trying to install nvidia-drivers, but I get this: PreDepends: nvidia-installer-cleanup but it is not installable |
| 21:55.32 | john_k_h | There are some other deps that are needed, but I cannot add. |
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| 21:59.42 | towo` | john_k_h, paste your sources |
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| 22:00.03 | Thr3ep0od | Hi |
| 22:00.20 | john_k_h | he following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:00.20 | john_k_h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.22 | towo` | john_that is not, what i'm asked |
| 22:01.27 | towo` | grr |
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| 22:02.13 | john_k_h | Sorry about the paste. |
| 22:02.28 | annadane | john_k_h, first, paste.debian.net; second, towo is asking for /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:04.43 | john_k_h | I added this: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free and of course deb-src with the same info |
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| 22:05.07 | annadane | can you post the whole thing please? |
| 22:05.16 | annadane | and deb-src is irrelevant |
| 22:05.34 | john_k_h | Yes, in a few minutes. |
| 22:05.50 | towo` | john_k_h, you need contrib as well too |
| 22:06.00 | annadane | oh, yeah. shit. |
| 22:06.24 | towo` | john_k_h, so it should look like deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 22:06.38 | john_k_h | got it. I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
| 22:08.50 | john_k_h | Thanks. It's downloading now :-) |
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| 22:14.02 | jhutchins | Shutting down for floppy cable installation. |
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| 22:14.24 | B|ack0p | huh |
| 22:14.29 | B|ack0p | floppy in this era? |
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| 22:16.19 | dvs | to install the floppy |
| 22:18.19 | ddelony | Been a long time since I've used one of those. :-) |
| 22:18.26 | B|ack0p | i need floppy drive too |
| 22:18.37 | Roxxor | Hi! I want to install Debian with full disk encryption. Can GRUB start from the EFI partition, ask for the passowrt and boot from a luks encrypted /boot? I tried this, but in standard config it did not boot and throw me into the grub command line, as it coulnt load /boot. I now have a EFI, partition, unencrypted /boot, which starts and then unlocks |
| 22:18.37 | Roxxor | the root directory. |
| 22:18.47 | B|ack0p | i have some diskette and i would like to see what is inside |
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| 22:19.09 | Roxxor | I want to have the /boot part encrypted too |
| 22:19.42 | dvs | I don't see how it can work with an encrypted /boot partition |
| 22:20.16 | spacebug^ | I'm thinking about bying a gaming mouse. To control it's DPI and other stuff it seems I should use the program piper. Piper needs libratbag/ratbagd. libratbag/ratbagd is included in Buster, but piper is not. Should I tru to build piper from source? Or should I boot from a bullseye-live-dvd which has all three programs in its repository? If I boot from the live-dvd, can I install some programs on the |
| 22:20.22 | spacebug^ | spare space on the USB or to ram or something? |
| 22:20.22 | ddelony | B|ack0p: Assuming you're using a desktop, I think you could just pop it into the drive and it would be read automatically. |
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| 22:21.49 | Roxxor | dvs: Well when using libreboot on another device I have GRUb on the BIOS chip, grub then perfoms "cryptomount -a", I unlock the boot drive and it boots the kernel. Shouldnt grub, which is located on the EFI partition perform the same? |
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| 22:23.38 | B|ack0p | ddelony: no i am using a laptop |
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| 22:25.25 | Thr3ep0od | Hi guys |
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| 22:25.37 | pfred1 | hello |
| 22:25.39 | Thr3ep0od | I'm a little new on debian and IRC Chat |
| 22:25.52 | pfred1 | you're doing good so far |
| 22:26.04 | Thr3ep0od | And I would like to know how I can list IRC channel |
| 22:26.27 | pfred1 | list is a bad idea |
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| 22:27.04 | Thr3ep0od | Oh why ? |
| 22:27.18 | dvs | Roxxor, I've never heard of GRUB being "on the BIOS" chip but I believe you. |
| 22:27.21 | pfred1 | it floods the server |
| 22:27.38 | pfred1 | there's something like 170,000 or so channels on the network |
| 22:27.58 | Roxxor | dvs: https://libreboot.org/ |
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| 22:28.57 | Thr3ep0od | Thanks pfred1 ? And is it possible to list only with a specific word ? |
| 22:28.57 | pfred1 | try to msg alis instead |
| 22:29.09 | ryouma | firefox seems broken in stretch, as even safe mode and older .mozilla copies seem to break. is this a reasonable conjecture? |
| 22:29.12 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:31.20 | Thr3ep0od | Thanks a lot pfred1. |
| 22:32.17 | pfred1 | Thr3ep0od sure no problem |
| 22:32.25 | pfred1 | yeah list is weird on IRC |
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| 22:40.17 | A|an | I'm considering reinstalling as opposed to updating...I have three partition, one for the system, swap, and home...what's the prospects for installing the new release to the system partition and leaving the 3rd one alone? |
| 22:41.26 | A|an | I don't recall...does the installation process give you the opportunity to specify one particular partition? |
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| 22:44.18 | dvs | A|an, yes, you can specify each partition |
| 22:44.22 | ddelony | B|ack0p: You can buy external floppy drives online. |
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| 22:45.45 | A|an | thx |
| 22:45.46 | ddelony | B|ack0p: And I meant the Debian desktop, not a desktop computer. |
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| 22:47.42 | john_k_h | I'm trying to get the nvidia driver to work. I downloaded/installed it, but it does not showup in lsmod. I search for vga and I get this entry: 0.040561] pci 0000:01:00.0: vgaarb: setting as boot VGA device |
| 22:48.04 | john_k_h | Something is not quite right. No nvidia driver. Any ideas? |
| 22:48.09 | ryouma | i guess i am the only one for whom firefox-esr on stretch is crashing immediately upon calling it? |
| 22:48.50 | Chunkyz | ryouma: open in terminal |
| 22:48.56 | Chunkyz | See what it saya |
| 22:48.58 | Chunkyz | Saya |
| 22:49.01 | Chunkyz | Says |
| 22:49.04 | Chunkyz | Ugh |
| 22:49.20 | dvs | Sez? |
| 22:49.31 | Chunkyz | That too |
| 22:49.59 | ryouma | Chunkyz: says gtk warnings. here: http://sprunge.us/uckIM8 |
| 22:50.59 | ryouma | that's with 2 different callings, but idr which. -safemode vs. not, or different profiles, or differen versions of .mozlla. can do more accurately if you prefer |
| 22:51.04 | Chunkyz | You have a theme installed? What happens if you delete .Mozilla from your home dir? |
| 22:52.17 | ryouma | Chunkyz: crashes and says this http://sprunge.us/rTOi3L |
| 22:52.39 | ryouma | i don't recall having a theme installed but maybe at one point a long time ago i tried to find a dark theme |
| 22:52.48 | Chunkyz | No idea, sorry. |
| 22:53.49 | ryouma | same results if firefox -safe-mode |
| 22:54.31 | ryouma | so it's complaining about a theme even though there is no .mozilla, and even though i am running -safe-mode |
| 22:55.24 | ryouma | which gtk versions does it use? maybe i can disable any gtk settings i have someplace (although i did ont change any) |
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| 23:05.21 | pfred1 | ldd it |
| 23:05.33 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.47 | pfred1 | it'll tell you which library it is linked to |
| 23:06.27 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.33 | pfred1 | needs backwards quotes to work |
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| 23:08.39 | pfred1 | I'd tell you but I don't have firefox installed here |
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| 23:15.56 | jim | Thr3ep0od, there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help |
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| 23:33.09 | Abdullah | installed fuse package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 |
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| 23:38.54 | ryouma | pfred1: ldd says http://sprunge.us/ggzIbQ |
| 23:38.59 | ryouma | for firefox-esr |
| 23:40.10 | ryouma | my system is fully up to date, but this is looking like either i have some setting somepace that breaks it (like in gtk settings) or the debian binary is broken |
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| 23:41.50 | cluelessperson | I have a question about managing packages on debian |
| 23:42.04 | cluelessperson | I love debian for its solid stability, but sometimes I want more recent versions of things. |
| 23:42.37 | cluelessperson | How do you suggest managing installing things in a maintainable way?, that may not be in the standard repos? |
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| 23:43.36 | pfred1 | ryouma yeah that ain't firefox |
| 23:44.04 | ryouma | not firefox? o.O |
| 23:44.10 | pfred1 | firefox is probably a shell script that runs the real binary |
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| 23:44.39 | pfred1 | firefox is a big app so it's linked to a lot of libraries |
| 23:44.55 | pfred1 | probably more than 100 |
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| 23:44.58 | ryouma | if i do with with firefox it says not a dynamic executable |
| 23:45.35 | pfred1 | do this file `which firefox` |
| 23:45.47 | pfred1 | let's see what we're dealing with |
| 23:46.00 | ryouma | /usr/bin/firefox: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable |
| 23:46.07 | ryouma | it's small |
| 23:46.09 | pfred1 | see told ya it's a script |
| 23:46.24 | pfred1 | OK give it a look and see what the script actually does |
| 23:46.24 | ryouma | as expected :) |
| 23:46.45 | pfred1 | find the real binary and ldd it |
| 23:46.58 | ryouma | pfred1: http://sprunge.us/KgTtjA |
| 23:47.40 | pfred1 | yeah ldd `which firefox-esr` |
| 23:48.12 | pfred1 | that should be the real binary |
| 23:48.12 | ryouma | i think i did that above? |
| 23:48.13 | ryouma | http://sprunge.us/IOX1Qm |
| 23:48.47 | pfred1 | you just catch the last screen? |
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| 23:49.03 | ryouma | that is ldd `which firefox-esr`| (sprunge stuff that ssned everything) |
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| 23:49.35 | pfred1 | well that's not firefox's linked binaries |
| 23:49.45 | pfred1 | I've seen it and that's not it |
| 23:49.53 | ryouma | on stretch |
| 23:49.58 | pfred1 | on anything |
| 23:50.11 | humbot | ls -l $(which firefox-esr) |
| 23:50.16 | pfred1 | let me install firefox and see what's going on |
| 23:50.36 | humbot | it's in /usr/lib/firefox-esr/ |
| 23:51.30 | ryouma | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 12-06 16:58 /usr/bin/firefox-esr -> ../lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
| 23:52.27 | ryouma | ldd /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr shows a siumilar result to the above |
| 23:53.00 | humbot | sorry i didn't read back to see what you're trying to do with ldd |
| 23:53.11 | pfred1 | see what GTK firefox uses |
| 23:53.24 | ryouma | what do i do? |
| 23:54.07 | humbot | is this after a recent update? |
| 23:55.11 | humbot | it's working for me on 9.11 |
| 23:55.13 | pfred1 | $ apt-rdepends firefox-esr | grep -i gtk Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0) |
| 23:55.23 | ryouma | i updated and upgraded as normal and i don't recall anything coming down in oldstable but maybe a couple of packages did |
| 23:55.59 | pfred1 | there's reasons why I don't have firefox installed |
| 23:58.17 | ryouma | so those reasons being gtk related? |
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| 23:59.20 | ryouma | well, i moved my gtk3 directory and ran firefox. the same dialog came up, in a different color. it had an email field this time. but as usual clicking restart did not initiate a restart. however, there were no gtk errors this time. |
| 23:59.24 | humbot | did you do that on stretch pfred1 ? |
| 23:59.57 | ryouma | so basically the same result: firefox crashes before it really starts |