| 00:00.53 | humbot | you mean apt-cache rdepends ... ? |
| 00:02.30 | humbot | those pastes are just warnings, not errors, what are you actually executing? |
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| 00:04.34 | ryouma | humbot: talking to me? |
| 00:04.50 | humbot | yup |
| 00:05.43 | ryouma | i am executing the commands that iw as told to execute. i do that, look at output, then send to sprunge. |
| 00:06.13 | ryouma | then i retrieve from sprunge to make sure same -- it is |
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| 00:07.18 | ryouma | where can i look on my system to see the logs of what changes were made in oldstable recently? |
| 00:07.34 | ryouma | i.e. what my upgrades chnged recently |
| 00:09.24 | humbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.56 | humbot | but have you installed some other firefox apart from esr sometime? |
| 00:10.17 | ryouma | i did my own apt-rdepends and got this, all gtk 3 http://sprunge.us/82PFNy |
| 00:10.30 | ryouma | no, i keep debian pure debian |
| 00:11.27 | humbot | apt-cache rdepends ... ? |
| 00:11.46 | ryouma | the last 2 upgrades that sent me anything were these a few d ago: http://sprunge.us/bdihrc |
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| 00:15.45 | humbot | oh somehow i don't have apt-rdepends but it is similar to apt-cache depends |
| 00:16.40 | humbot | this is the only depend with gtk on my stretch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o3Crvs19FY |
| 00:16.45 | humbot | oops :þ |
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| 00:16.58 | pfred1 | apt install apt-rdepends |
| 00:18.21 | humbot | seems like ryouma has it already |
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| 00:19.29 | ryouma | yeah seems to work, but idk the differences from apt-cache |
| 00:20.22 | ryouma | i can't watch youtube without firefox. or, i suppose i goulc try to dl it. |
| 00:20.23 | pfred1 | thre's a few ways to get dependencies |
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| 00:21.03 | humbot | so do you have any gtk errors or only warnings? |
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| 00:22.51 | pfred1 | $ apt-rdepends firefox-esr | grep Depends | wc -l = 521 ouch! |
| 00:23.22 | pfred1 | that's a lot of depends |
| 00:25.24 | ryouma | when i move my .gtk-3.0 dir out of the way it shows no warnings or error but still crashes. the output is these 3 lines: ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 13746 ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal..." |
| 00:26.20 | ryouma | when i do it with my normal gtk-3.0 dir, i get a few warnings or errors that look like this but it still crashes. "(crashreporter:13437): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:34:35: The style property GtkWidget:visited-link-color is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version" |
| 00:27.39 | ryouma | yeah 521 here too |
| 00:28.19 | pfred1 | sometimes when things get real weird I'll make myself a new user account |
| 00:28.29 | pfred1 | just to see what happens then |
| 00:28.47 | humbot | good idea |
| 00:29.36 | pfred1 | troubleshooting is the process of elimination |
| 00:30.06 | pfred1 | I had this weird problem that I couldn't figure out |
| 00:30.18 | pfred1 | turned out to be a corrupt font file in cache |
| 00:30.37 | pfred1 | I'd load pages and the font would be invisible it drove me nuts |
| 00:31.29 | pfred1 | I finally tracked it down with lsof I think? |
| 00:32.03 | ryouma | what do i do to do that quickly -- firefox requires x. can i make an account and use my existing x? |
| 00:32.09 | pfred1 | but the way the bug manifested itself I thought it was a problem with the program |
| 00:32.22 | pfred1 | you make a new user ald log in |
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| 00:33.03 | pfred1 | a new user gets new defaults doesn't inherit all your old config files etc |
| 00:33.24 | pfred1 | gets a whole new home dir |
| 00:33.55 | ryouma | ok, but i do not use any dm or anything. so i do.... xinit? |
| 00:34.14 | pfred1 | at the console startx |
| 00:34.24 | pfred1 | logged in as your new user |
| 00:35.06 | pfred1 | I don't use a DM either |
| 00:35.15 | pfred1 | old school |
| 00:35.40 | ryouma | it got x up but unreadably small font |
| 00:35.55 | pfred1 | yeah some things never change |
| 00:36.06 | ryouma | i stopped using a dm because the fonts were too small |
| 00:36.09 | pfred1 | X Window and illegible fonts |
| 00:36.20 | pfred1 | you can fix that |
| 00:36.35 | pfred1 | your DPI might just be wrong |
| 00:37.16 | ryouma | if i can get an xterm i can set dpi, but i can;'t get that |
| 00:37.25 | oiaohm | I have had some cheaper moditors be returning totally wrong DPI in information from monitor., |
| 00:37.46 | ryouma | i use dpi=240 or so in my regular setup |
| 00:37.48 | pfred1 | edid |
| 00:37.55 | oiaohm | 27 inch 4k monitor saying it was 60 dpi. |
| 00:38.02 | ryouma | i set it using xrandr and in .xresources for xft |
| 00:38.11 | oiaohm | kind of resulted in insanely small. |
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| 00:38.47 | pfred1 | fonts can be weird |
| 00:38.51 | oiaohm | That was one that screwed up Linux and windows. |
| 00:39.13 | humbot | hmm |
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| 00:39.40 | pfred1 | today I think you can get by with TTF fonts for the most part |
| 00:40.06 | pfred1 | I like xcalc still though |
| 00:40.32 | pfred1 | the sqrt sign on xcalc is a weird deal too |
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| 00:48.26 | humbot | wonder if they are trying to log in without logging out |
| 00:50.05 | Abdullah | How do I uninstall all those packages installed with apt install gnome? |
| 00:52.45 | Abdullah | ryancp: try Fontasque Sans fonts. |
| 00:53.13 | Abdullah | You can get fonts from debian repos. and then move/copy to ~/.local/share/fonts |
| 00:53.28 | Abdullah | Have a look at https://gitlab.com/Abdullah/cfg.git |
| 00:53.57 | Abdullah | or my site has an article about fonts too. https://abdullah.today |
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| 00:54.40 | ryouma | ok for some reason i knocked my normal user out of x also and rebooted just to be sure eerything was clearn. |
| 00:55.29 | ryouma | in any case, my new user account, running firefox, produces teh crash in firefox |
| 00:55.47 | ryouma | in any case, my new user account, running X, produces teh crash in firefox |
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| 00:56.54 | ryouma | i logged in from console and did startx |
| 00:57.10 | Abdullah | ryouma: netinstall? |
| 00:57.23 | Abdullah | How do I uninstall all those packages installed with apt install gnome? |
| 00:57.53 | ryouma | netinstall long ago... not sure why you are asking? |
| 00:58.16 | Abdullah | because I like netinstall ;-) |
| 00:58.31 | ryouma | not sure why you asking me? |
| 00:58.35 | Abdullah | what's your actuall problem |
| 00:58.46 | ryouma | firefox crashes |
| 00:58.50 | Abdullah | I don't use firefox. |
| 00:58.58 | Abdullah | some WM or DE? |
| 00:59.29 | Abdullah | just installing it for your help ;-) |
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| 01:01.45 | Abdullah | it didn't crash for me yet |
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| 01:02.45 | Abdullah | How do I uninstall all those packages installed with apt install gnome? |
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| 01:03.43 | ryouma | did you try uninstalling gnome? |
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| 01:05.01 | Abdullah | ryouma: yeah tried but its uninstalling what I had before without gnome |
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| 01:05.19 | ryouma | ah, yeah |
| 01:05.52 | ryouma | idjk if it's possible to tell it to install only stuff newly installed. would be interested if it were. |
| 01:06.07 | ryouma | i wonder if there is an etckeeper for apt |
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| 01:52.23 | ryouma | and now firefox is working. why? i do not know. it failed from a different account, in -safe-mode, with no .mozilla, and iwth no gtk3 dir. but it's working now. that makes me nervous but it is working. |
| 01:53.14 | ryouma | back in the dos days, you knew everything the computer was doing at all times down to the machine code level, with the possible exception of tsr. nowadays ... the computer is some kind of unpredictable beast. |
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| 02:32.45 | mandeep | when installing debian 10 from the graphical installer. everything seems to work okay but when i try to boot after installation i run into grub rescue> |
| 02:33.13 | mandeep | have yet to figure out how to solve this |
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| 02:39.23 | mandeep | ive tried repeating installation and installing grub to different bootable drives,to no avail |
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| 02:47.07 | joepublic | so. what kind of drive(s), controller(s) are involved? |
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| 02:54.35 | mandeep | joepublic: when i do ls i can find all the mod files on (hd1,gpt6)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 02:54.47 | mandeep | but when i set it to prefix i cant get anything to boot |
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| 03:00.51 | mandeep | but basically just 1 drive with a windows partition |
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| 03:21.05 | tomreyn | mandeep: i386? is it a 32-bit system? with uefi? |
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| 03:35.24 | mandeep | tomreyn: no its 64bit |
| 03:35.34 | mandeep | not sure why grub is under i386 |
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| 03:39.58 | mandeep | alright this is really annoying |
| 03:40.18 | mandeep | is there any way i can remedy this in a live instance? |
| 03:40.45 | tomreyn | mandeep: which hardware is this? |
| 03:41.25 | tomreyn | https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/grub-efi-amd64-bin/filelist |
| 03:41.47 | mandeep | hmm |
| 03:42.30 | mandeep | that seems to be the correct package |
| 03:43.24 | mandeep | not sure why the installer is not installing it |
| 03:43.43 | tomreyn | so which hardware? |
| 03:44.12 | tomreyn | and which installer image? |
| 03:45.44 | mandeep | tomreyn: what do you mean by which hardware specifically? it's amd64 |
| 03:45.57 | mandeep | installer image is debian 10.0.0 nonfree live |
| 03:46.43 | tomreyn | this? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/ |
| 03:46.50 | tomreyn | or this? https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0-live+nonfree/i386/ |
| 03:47.16 | tomreyn | i.e. what's the name of the iso file you wrote to the installer media? |
| 03:48.00 | tomreyn | by "which hardware" i'm asking about the brand and model of your computer to check (if possible) whether it has a 32-bit uefi firmware. |
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| 03:48.51 | annadane | hey, is the cdrecord package in debian? i'm following instructions to install gentoo and they recommend it, i'm searching with apt and i can't find it |
| 03:48.57 | annadane | it doesn't go by 'cdrecord' or anything |
| 03:49.41 | tomreyn | wodim is a fork of cdrecord |
| 03:50.00 | tomreyn | but consider installing from a usb attached storage instead, it's often faster and more reliable. |
| 03:54.36 | mandeep | tomreyn: yeah that's the one |
| 03:54.50 | mandeep | tomreyn: my hardware is a custom build |
| 03:55.27 | mandeep | it's run debian fine before, in fact it was just running debian 9 |
| 03:55.42 | mandeep | from the amd64 live installer |
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| 04:09.22 | tomreyn | mandeep: hmm, i don't know then. the uefi booting debian 10 installation i have here only has /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ but not /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 04:09.45 | mandeep | interesting |
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| 04:11.54 | tomreyn | to me, this suggests that your installer chose to install the 32-bit efi grub, probably because it detected a 32-bit uefi firmware. |
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| 04:17.08 | tomreyn | actually the files in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc are part of package grub-pc-bin which states "This package contains GRUB modules that have been built for use with the traditional PC/BIOS architecture. It can be installed in parallel with other flavours, but will not automatically install GRUB as the active boot loader nor automatically update grub.cfg on upgrade unless grub-pc is also installed." |
| 04:17.53 | tomreyn | this is actually the old non uefi variant of grub |
| 04:18.36 | tomreyn | mandeep: ^ which would be find if you're doing legacy bios booting. |
| 04:19.13 | tomreyn | i think the active grub is actually installed to /boot/grub |
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| 05:13.20 | alpha | what can you do when your Debian laptop doesn't recognize any keyboard input after logging in? |
| 05:13.31 | mandeep | tomreyn: i checked /boot/grub as well but it didnt contain any *.mod files |
| 05:16.52 | tomreyn | mandeep: here there are plenty in /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ |
| 05:17.03 | tomreyn | i guess this means grub-install faield on yours |
| 05:17.34 | mandeep | which is weird. ive run it so many times with different options |
| 05:17.44 | mandeep | im going to try a different live cd |
| 05:18.00 | tomreyn | or just the netinstaller? |
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| 05:19.41 | xmastree | I just extracted an archive and it dumped a bunch of files into some other files...can I delete from that directory all the files listed inside that archive? |
| 05:20.28 | tomreyn | yes, but keep in mind that others of the same name may have been overwritten when you unpacked them. |
| 05:20.45 | xmastree | oh I'm sure they weren't its just a lot of files to go through |
| 05:20.53 | tomreyn | always inspect the directory structure inside an archive before unpacking it |
| 05:21.24 | xmastree | I'm using xarchiver now not sure what I was using before but it seems ok |
| 05:22.34 | tomreyn | latest upstream release: 5 years ago. |
| 05:23.14 | xmastree | I'm probably going to switch to dtrx |
| 05:26.40 | xmastree | tomreyn thanks for the help brb |
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| 05:41.34 | mandeep | same problem |
| 05:41.41 | mandeep | i wonder if this has to do with window boot manager |
| 05:43.50 | mandeep | windows* |
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| 06:04.49 | Kats99 | I changed the locales through dpkg-reconfigure locale but it says LC_ALL cannot be set |
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| 06:09.44 | Kats99 | even if i edit the /etc/default/locales and set LANG to US and perform locale-gen it still generates my local language |
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| 06:11.28 | Kats99 | ill reboot and try again |
| 06:11.30 | Kats99 | quit |
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| 06:19.03 | martian67 | merry christmas |
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| 06:21.38 | ZaZaGX | Bah Hunmbug! |
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| 06:22.41 | tomreyn | happy coca cola day! |
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| 06:27.05 | ZaZaGX | i like coca cola |
| 06:27.18 | ZaZaGX | i spilled coca cola on my debian machine |
| 06:28.56 | diogenes_ | so it's Debian coca-cola flavor now. |
| 06:31.47 | ZaZaGX | well, it smells better now |
| 06:31.57 | ZaZaGX | i think the keyboard is water proof |
| 06:32.58 | tomreyn | is it acid proof though? |
| 06:33.22 | ZaZaGX | no its not |
| 06:33.44 | diogenes_ | it might be water proof but cola is known to dicompose plastic. |
| 06:33.57 | ZaZaGX | i believe so |
| 06:34.02 | ZaZaGX | i wiped it |
| 06:34.09 | ZaZaGX | not harddrive wipe thou |
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| 07:22.36 | nvz | it'll eat rust.. so.. why not plastic.. |
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| 07:29.33 | tomreyn | finally something relevant that works with rust, mozilla will be delighted. |
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| 07:34.08 | nvz | heh |
| 07:34.20 | nvz | seems my journal is 3.5G |
| 07:34.22 | nvz | and I'm out of disk space :P |
| 07:34.33 | nvz | bitmask seems to be spamming my logs |
| 07:34.39 | nvz | meh |
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| 07:40.38 | nvz | what a crock of shit.. I've deleted probably half a gig of stuff and still says I have no free space |
| 07:40.51 | nvz | that can't be log spam.. the log is not growing that fast |
| 07:42.03 | ZaZaGX | journal? |
| 07:42.19 | ZaZaGX | a private one? |
| 07:42.32 | tomreyn | systemd journal, i'd guess |
| 07:42.39 | nvz | I'm not really sure what to do here.. |
| 07:42.53 | tomreyn | maybe your inodes ran full? df -hi |
| 07:42.54 | nvz | espcially since I have nfc where my external hdd is right now |
| 07:42.57 | ZaZaGX | oh i thought it was a offline blog journal |
| 07:43.13 | nvz | tomreyn: thats only showing 14% |
| 07:43.18 | tomreyn | or maybe it's a deleted open file handle |
| 07:43.41 | nvz | I was dangerously low on space to begin with.. under 1TB.. |
| 07:43.42 | tomreyn | what about df -h |
| 07:43.44 | nvz | erm 1GB |
| 07:43.56 | nvz | cause I can't find my external to clean house |
| 07:44.10 | nvz | but now I'm dead out of space |
| 07:44.52 | nvz | hmm.. rm -rf ~/.cache/thumbnails got me over 700MB |
| 07:45.21 | nvz | I need to manage those logs too.. but idk much about journald |
| 07:45.31 | ZaZaGX | oh ic |
| 07:45.39 | nvz | 3.5gb of journals is too much to have sitting around on my 128G ssd |
| 07:45.45 | ZaZaGX | what are you using for all those spaces for? |
| 07:46.12 | ZaZaGX | I am only using 35GB |
| 07:47.30 | tomreyn | the journal remains under 4 GB always, and also under a certain percentage of available disk space. |
| 07:47.43 | tomreyn | it will clean itself up on boot if needed |
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| 07:49.34 | ZaZaGX | i turned off the bluetooth via GUI. but it keeps turning on every boot. how do i turn it off completely? |
| 07:50.38 | tomreyn | blacklist the module, update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u |
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| 07:52.01 | diogenes_ | or install tlp and add startup command: bluetooth off |
| 07:53.30 | nvz | if you can't find ways to use disk space these days, you're not trying very hard |
| 07:54.00 | nvz | I got half of my 1TB external filled, probably half of the 6TB on my server, and my whole 128G ssd |
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| 07:54.23 | nvz | there is always things you can eat up space with, compiling a kernel, etc.. |
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| 07:54.54 | ZaZaGX | i only have a 256GB SSD. i only use 35 GBs |
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| 07:55.07 | ZaZaGX | I don't even download movies or mp3s |
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| 07:55.16 | ZaZaGX | i just stream |
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| 07:55.47 | diogenes_ | nvz, you filled it up with anime? |
| 07:56.12 | nvz | thats one thing I certainly have none of |
| 07:56.29 | nvz | one of the many things about japanese culture that make no sense to me |
| 07:56.50 | ZaZaGX | nvz is japanese? |
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| 07:57.08 | diogenes_ | arch users like those. |
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| 07:57.57 | ZaZaGX | i thought nvz is a white male |
| 07:59.47 | ZaZaGX | i'm lost now |
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| 08:00.39 | tomreyn | kernel parameter pci-stub.ids=VID:DID should also work for disabling a pci device on a system with an active IOMMU |
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| 08:06.13 | ZaZaGX | I think you are a Naruto |
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| 08:09.17 | nvz | ZaZaGX: are you trying to whitemale me? :P |
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| 08:12.30 | ZaZaGX | i am not sure |
| 08:12.55 | u1f320 | Hi. I'm looking for a new OS. In order to figure out if it's Debian, I'll need to look at how 'file' (command/package) gets build. Any pointers on how to see that via webbrowser? |
| 08:14.44 | u1f320 | I think I'm on to something: https://packages.debian.org/buster/file |
| 08:14.48 | tomreyn | https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=file |
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| 08:17.45 | diogenes_ | i always visually confuse amd64 and arm64, at a quick glance they look alike. |
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| 08:17.56 | nvz | yeah its annoying |
| 08:18.32 | nvz | kinda like losing your external hdd and running out of disk space |
| 08:18.39 | nvz | and not being able to open a .dwg file |
| 08:19.06 | u1f320 | tomreyn, thanks! Impressive, it does make the cut: applying cherry-pick.FILE5_37-67-g46a8443f.limit-the-number-of-elements-in-a-vector-found-by-oss-fuzz.patch |
| 08:19.23 | u1f320 | very cool: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 21:57:17 +0200 |
| 08:20.05 | tomreyn | good cherry picking there |
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| 08:23.52 | nvz | u1f320: https://sources.debian.org/patches/file/1:5.35-4+deb10u1/ |
| 08:24.37 | u1f320 | uuu, much better! cheers |
| 08:25.24 | u1f320 | I'm gonna be reading this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html |
| 08:26.12 | u1f320 | say, it's easily possible to have multiple in-grub-menu kernels, manually built, yes? |
| 08:26.59 | u1f320 | by "easily" I guess I mean, unlike on NixOS |
| 08:27.24 | tomreyn | you mean you want to have your custom built kernels available on the grub menu to boot? |
| 08:27.32 | nvz | uh, yeah.. its rather straightforward |
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| 08:27.48 | nvz | u1f320: I just use the debian package targets when I build.. |
| 08:28.14 | u1f320 | tomreyn, that's exactly it:) |
| 08:28.27 | u1f320 | good to hear |
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| 08:29.06 | u1f320 | what does this mean "Debian is also the only distribution which is "micro packaged" using detailed dependency information regarding inter-package relationships to ensure system consistency across upgrades. " |
| 08:29.20 | u1f320 | is it like gentoo dependencies? |
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| 08:29.37 | tomreyn | you can place them in /boot/grub/custom.cfg verbatim or have the menu entries generated (with parameter expansion) by placing them in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
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| 08:31.08 | u1f320 | I'm gonna be transitioning from ArchLinux |
| 08:31.20 | nvz | u1f320: that context is 26 years old |
| 08:31.20 | u1f320 | but I'll first try it inside a virtualbox |
| 08:31.53 | nvz | u1f320: gentoo didn't even exist at the time |
| 08:32.17 | nvz | neither did redhat |
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| 08:32.18 | u1f320 | ok, I was only trying to use something else to understand what that said |
| 08:32.47 | nvz | u1f320: what I just said should make you understand it.. its outdated, and none of these other systems existed at the time |
| 08:32.53 | u1f320 | in other words, say if glibc package changes, then, stuff depending on it might get rebuilt? or binary-downloaded |
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| 08:33.23 | nvz | in other words.. slackware was the closest thing to package management there was |
| 08:33.27 | nvz | at that time |
| 08:34.15 | u1f320 | iirc, slackware required manual ./configure, make and make install at the time? |
| 08:34.26 | u1f320 | so like, no dependencies |
| 08:34.34 | u1f320 | debian must've been god then |
| 08:34.58 | nvz | idk.. I only been using it since like 10 years later.. Debian 2.2r6 "Potato" |
| 08:35.14 | u1f320 | lol potato, that's funny |
| 08:35.16 | nvz | and I'd probably only heard of and used linux less than a year when I found Debian |
| 08:35.48 | nvz | u1f320: Bruce Parens, the 2nd leader of the project had worked at Pixar.. the debian releases are all Toy Story characters |
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| 08:35.49 | u1f320 | you've tried other linuxes since? curious why they're not as good, from your pov |
| 08:35.55 | ZaZaGX | I used Red Hat linux 7.1 back in 2001 |
| 08:36.58 | nvz | u1f320: bo, rex, buzz, hamm, slink, potato, woody, etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, bullseye, bookworm, sid, rcbuggy.. |
| 08:37.00 | ZaZaGX | and Ubuntu in 2008 |
| 08:37.01 | u1f320 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:37.19 | u1f320 | hey I remember that "wheezy" one |
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| 08:37.51 | u1f320 | ZaZaGX, you're still using Debian now though? |
| 08:38.15 | ZaZaGX | I used Chrome OS from 2011-2017 |
| 08:38.27 | ZaZaGX | yeah, i just started using Debian on 10.0 |
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| 08:38.42 | u1f320 | cool |
| 08:38.58 | nvz | u1f320: I have not really experimented much.. I installed GuixSD in a VM recently to point and laugh at it before deleting it |
| 08:39.08 | u1f320 | lol |
| 08:39.22 | ZaZaGX | Ubuntu 18.04 LTS wasn't stable for me. also Ubuntu 18.10 and 19.04. so I switched to Debian 10. |
| 08:39.23 | u1f320 | yeah I saw it has 5.33 version of file and no patch for that cve |
| 08:40.02 | u1f320 | ZaZaGX, so, anything about Debian 10 bothering you currently? |
| 08:40.18 | ZaZaGX | battery life isn't as good as the lastest Ubuntu release |
| 08:40.26 | ZaZaGX | but Ubuntu isn't stable for my laptop |
| 08:40.40 | ZaZaGX | but the Debian 10 is more faster and snappier |
| 08:40.51 | u1f320 | have you compared lsmod and dmesg between the two? |
| 08:40.56 | ZaZaGX | no |
| 08:41.02 | u1f320 | I'd be kind curious why |
| 08:41.28 | ZaZaGX | i don't really use those command lines |
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| 08:41.43 | ZaZaGX | i was going to learn more bash and programming, but i'm not really into it |
| 08:41.44 | u1f320 | if you give me lsmod and dmesg from each, I'd be willing to compare them for ya :) and maybe also `zcat /proc/config.gz` for each |
| 08:41.57 | u1f320 | oh i see |
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| 08:42.15 | ZaZaGX | I found out my personality type says I'm not fit for programming and computer stuff |
| 08:42.18 | ZaZaGX | I am an ENFP |
| 08:42.30 | u1f320 | ENFP? |
| 08:42.32 | ZaZaGX | yeah |
| 08:42.36 | u1f320 | =? :) |
| 08:42.48 | ZaZaGX | i'm not intro introvert things |
| 08:42.53 | ZaZaGX | into |
| 08:43.07 | nvz | u1f320: the release names didnt start until June 1996 so.. |
| 08:43.08 | ZaZaGX | i like being with people. i don't like being by myself in a long period of time |
| 08:43.28 | humbot | programming is no harder than cooking |
| 08:43.41 | ZaZaGX | i can cook better than programming |
| 08:43.42 | u1f320 | nvz: I've no doubt that you were correct then |
| 08:44.29 | nvz | u1f320: yeah well I've been here and using debian for a little while, I should know a thing or two, I'd hope |
| 08:44.43 | u1f320 | awesome |
| 08:44.51 | nvz | apparently I dont know the release order by heart cause seems I got it wrong.. |
| 08:45.15 | ZaZaGX | lol |
| 08:45.38 | u1f320 | Hey, how easy would it be to have some way of applying system-wise config(s) (maybe not unlike nixos/guix) when installing Debian on virtualbox and bare-metal ? maybe something dependent on hostname? |
| 08:45.58 | nvz | I'd said bo, rex, buzz, hamm, slink, potato, woody, etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, bullseye, bookworm, sid, rcbuggy.. |
| 08:46.33 | u1f320 | ./msg dpkg release names |
| 08:46.48 | nvz | its buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, bullseye, bookworm, rcbuggy, sid |
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| 08:47.11 | nvz | erm.. dammit |
| 08:47.17 | ZaZaGX | lol |
| 08:47.22 | nvz | mixed up sid/rcbuggy that time :P |
| 08:47.29 | ZaZaGX | i don't even know all those names |
| 08:47.34 | nvz | but hard to really put those in order |
| 08:47.41 | nvz | they're not releases per-se |
| 08:47.55 | nvz | but the first time I mixed up bo/buzz and forgot sarge |
| 08:48.01 | u1f320 | dpkg is funny=) |
| 08:48.01 | dpkg | u1f320: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:48.14 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite u1f320 |
| 08:48.15 | dpkg | rilly wisht u1f320 conjagated sharn once in ahwile. |
| 08:48.59 | nvz | I've used potato, woody, etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, and sid |
| 08:49.00 | ZaZaGX | oh, i am almost out of battery life and this tea shop is closing soon. got to go |
| 08:49.19 | u1f320 | take care Z |
| 08:50.09 | nvz | its all a blur to me now |
| 08:51.06 | u1f320 | I'm looking at https://sources.debian.org/patches/file/ and see there are two others on top of 'buster' |
| 08:51.20 | nvz | yes, the next two release names have been chosen already |
| 08:51.21 | u1f320 | is it a good idea to run a Debian version that uses those? |
| 08:51.45 | u1f320 | I mean, would it break things badly? |
| 08:52.08 | nvz | bullseye is the current testing, sid is always unstable, rcbuggy is the experimental, and bookworm is the release that will follow bullseye |
| 08:52.13 | u1f320 | I assume the [experimental] one is like an unstable version of Debian (no idea how to choose one currently) |
| 08:52.36 | nvz | no |
| 08:52.43 | u1f320 | ok got it |
| 08:52.46 | nvz | unstable is the unstable branch.. where new incomming goes |
| 08:52.56 | nvz | experimental is not a complete branch at all |
| 08:53.16 | nvz | its just a place where crap goes that people want to move into sid, but is too messed up for even that :P |
| 08:53.19 | u1f320 | by branch you mean like a git branch? |
| 08:53.43 | nvz | I mean debian has a 3 tierd development.. stable/testing/unstable |
| 08:53.55 | u1f320 | oh wait I forgot to ask something: is it rolling release? |
| 08:53.55 | nvz | with oldstable and experimental branches on either sid of those.. |
| 08:54.01 | nvz | no, it is not |
| 08:54.08 | u1f320 | oww crp |
| 08:54.10 | u1f320 | xD |
| 08:54.16 | nvz | we do not base our release of stable branch on dates.. |
| 08:54.23 | nvz | we base it on things being ready for release |
| 08:54.32 | nvz | rolling release is kinda stupid |
| 08:54.41 | vvor | u1f320: Ansible for config management |
| 08:54.56 | nvz | we address the issues of our stable release taking on average about 2 years many ways |
| 08:55.02 | u1f320 | vvor, thanks, will look it up |
| 08:55.33 | u1f320 | so when new stable is release, so to speak, can I upgrade from the old stable to it? |
| 08:55.49 | u1f320 | without reinstalling everything |
| 08:55.50 | nvz | something new goes into sid, has a threshold of days without rc bugs before moving to testing, and testing once it has significant changes can be proposed for release and then all the rc bugs must be addressed before it can release as the next stable.. however long that may take |
| 08:55.59 | nvz | u1f320: absolutely |
| 08:56.22 | nvz | once a stable release is made (traditionally) version numbers don't change in that release ever again |
| 08:56.44 | nvz | however there are security patches by the security team over the life of the release backported into the stable version |
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| 08:57.06 | u1f320 | can upgrade from stable to testing ? |
| 08:57.22 | nvz | and in recent times there are further provisions for stable like a "volitile" or "stable updates", "point release", and "backports" |
| 08:57.44 | nvz | u1f320: yes, though you are expected to be actually testing and not getting support for it in the normal stable support channels |
| 08:57.57 | u1f320 | makes sense |
| 08:58.06 | u1f320 | can I downgrade to stable from testing? |
| 08:58.09 | nvz | no |
| 08:58.19 | vvor | Yes but... |
| 08:58.20 | u1f320 | I didn't expect that :D |
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| 08:58.32 | nvz | there are very complicated unofficial means of attempting it |
| 08:58.34 | u1f320 | (to be "no" that is) |
| 08:58.53 | nvz | the system was designed to go forward not backwards |
| 08:59.11 | vvor | Never loo back.............. |
| 08:59.11 | nvz | most things you'd need newer than stable can be addressed, and the folk like myself that hang here can advise you on that |
| 08:59.23 | vvor | look |
| 08:59.37 | nvz | kernels.. a breeze.. you can install them from backports, or compile your own to a deb package using upstream build targets.. |
| 09:00.02 | u1f320 | sounds, good, I don't see why I'd need a rolling release then |
| 09:00.09 | u1f320 | s/,// |
| 09:00.36 | nvz | lets say you were still using stretch and MATE desktop, and for some reason wanted a feature of the new one.. |
| 09:00.45 | nvz | ,v task-mate-desktop |
| 09:00.46 | judd | Package: task-mate-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 3.31+deb8u1; stretch: 3.39; buster: 3.53; bullseye: 3.55; sid: 3.57 |
| 09:00.48 | u1f320 | vvor, you're using ansible ? |
| 09:00.53 | nvz | ,v mate-panel |
| 09:00.55 | judd | Package: mate-panel on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-3; stretch: 1.16.2-1; stretch-backports: 1.20.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.20.5-1; bullseye: 1.22.2-1; sid: 1.22.2-1 |
| 09:01.20 | nvz | stretch (oldstable has 1.16) however the 1.20.5 from buster is in stretch-backports.. |
| 09:01.34 | nvz | so you can just get things from there if they're backported already |
| 09:01.41 | vvor | u1f320: Yep |
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| 09:02.00 | ltl- | how do i sign packages in Debian 10 |
| 09:02.03 | nvz | if not you have options like debootstrapping a chroot of a newer branch, running things from in there with schroot, doing a simple sid backport yourself.. etc |
| 09:02.13 | u1f320 | hey, quick question: any Debian release currently still using xfce 4.12 instead of 4.14 ? 'cause I'm pretty sure they made it more sluggish, and I'd luv to be able to test that |
| 09:02.23 | nvz | ,v xfce4 |
| 09:02.24 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; buster: 4.12.5; bullseye: 4.14; sid: 4.14 |
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| 09:02.50 | nvz | u1f320: both oldstable and stable have a 4.12 as you can see above |
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| 09:03.05 | nvz | u1f320: oldstable has 4.12.3 and stbale has 4.12.5 |
| 09:03.07 | u1f320 | yes, thx |
| 09:03.24 | u1f320 | so I could get an iso for stretch and install it? |
| 09:03.35 | nvz | yes, stretch is still supported.. |
| 09:03.41 | u1f320 | and then somehow upgrade to buster? |
| 09:03.45 | nvz | yes |
| 09:03.48 | nvz | !stretch |
| 09:03.48 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 09:03.58 | u1f320 | but not downgrade afterwards (which is ok) |
| 09:04.02 | nvz | !stretch lts |
| 09:04.06 | nvz | !stretch-lts |
| 09:04.06 | dpkg | It is expected that extended security support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in July 2020. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 09:04.22 | nvz | !stretch->buster |
| 09:04.30 | u1f320 | vvor, do you have a github repo where I could see how ansible is used? presumably with debian |
| 09:04.48 | nvz | dpkg, stretch->buster? |
| 09:04.48 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove stable-specific lines like stretch-backports. apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 09:05.22 | nvz | u1f320: we also dont support skipping.. you gotta read the release notes and upgrade each release |
| 09:05.43 | nvz | u1f320: cant go from oldoldstable (jessie) to stable (buster) without first going to stretch |
| 09:06.19 | u1f320 | good to know |
| 09:06.21 | nvz | and you should always read ch4 of the release notes (for the next release you're upgrading to) on upgrading cause there may be known issues with that transition |
| 09:06.39 | ltl- | test |
| 09:06.46 | nvz | back in the day I went through rocky transitions as we moved to devfs, adopted hal, moved to udev..etc |
| 09:07.16 | nvz | release updates arent always 100% smooth unless you read the release notes and plan ahead :P |
| 09:07.32 | ltl- | vboxdrv, vboxnetflt, vboxnetadp, vboxpci, and vboxconfig in the bin folder all need a sign from Debian 10 Secure Boot? |
| 09:07.37 | ltl- | any help pls? |
| 09:07.39 | u1f320 | dayum, you debian ppl are doing a lot of work with Debian, I'm pleasantly impressed |
| 09:07.41 | ltl- | merry xmas |
| 09:08.25 | nvz | ltl-: your original question was about signing packages |
| 09:08.41 | ltl- | yeah , i need help with that |
| 09:09.00 | nvz | ltl-: sounds more like your question is, using Debian 10 _SECURE_ _BOOT_ with a _SIGNED_ _KERNEL_, how do you sign _KERNEL_ _MODULES_ |
| 09:09.10 | nvz | this has absolutely nothing to do with signed packages |
| 09:09.20 | nvz | two totally different things not at all related |
| 09:09.21 | ltl- | okay |
| 09:10.04 | nvz | and I have nfc, heh.. but I can maybe find a bone to toss ya.. I just turn off UEFI, secure boot, all that.. |
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| 09:10.21 | ltl- | nfc? |
| 09:10.32 | ltl- | Near-Field Communication? |
| 09:10.45 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Using_your_machine_key_to_sign_modules |
| 09:10.46 | ltl- | xP i'm sure that's not what u mean, lol |
| 09:10.49 | nvz | dpkg, nfc? |
| 09:10.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or No Fucken Comment .. or maybe National Football Conference, or Near Field Communication |
| 09:11.03 | ltl- | lol |
| 09:11.16 | u1f320 | What syntax is this: # script -t 2>~/upgrade-busterstep.time -a ~/upgrade-busterstep.script |
| 09:11.40 | nvz | ltl-: looks like I learned something and answered your question :P |
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| 09:12.07 | ZaZaGX | hello |
| 09:12.16 | u1f320 | that "-a" is for 'script' ? |
| 09:12.17 | ltl- | noice |
| 09:12.20 | nvz | ltl-: I built a 5.x kernel and waited for vbox 6.1 which supported 5.x and I had compiled my kernel unsigned cause I didnt really know how the machine keys worked or where they were.. but I see now |
| 09:12.52 | ltl- | great! |
| 09:13.24 | u1f320 | dayum, I didn't know you could do this: $ echo a >/tmp/a.log b c d |
| 09:13.27 | ltl- | i have to either follow those steps for signing or read the Secure Book wiki for Debian 10 |
| 09:13.28 | nvz | u1f320: yes, probably.. strange ordering of arguments |
| 09:13.29 | nevivurn | u1f320: yup, the position of the redirect does not matter. |
| 09:13.41 | u1f320 | nevivurn, wicked! |
| 09:14.07 | u1f320 | I knew it could be at the beginning, but didn't register to me |
| 09:14.19 | ltl- | i don't know if i'll read all about Secure Boot in Debian today |
| 09:14.20 | nevivurn | Considering the redirect is handled by the shell and not by the program itself, the program wouldn't even see the redirect at all, anyway. |
| 09:14.24 | ltl- | maybe another time |
| 09:14.36 | u1f320 | LIke, of this I knew: $ >/tmp/a.log echo aa b c d |
| 09:14.55 | nevivurn | The shell just parses it and does not pass on the "redirect part" to the program when executing it. |
| 09:14.57 | u1f320 | nevivurn, that's a good point |
| 09:15.24 | u1f320 | good info |
| 09:15.25 | nvz | ltl-: based on what the debian wiki said its all a matter of just running one command |
| 09:15.34 | nvz | to sign the modules |
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| 09:17.15 | ltl- | nvz what's the command xD |
| 09:17.27 | u1f320 | # /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.19/scripts/sign-file sha256 /root/MOK.priv /root/MOK.der vboxdrv.ko |
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| 09:17.35 | u1f320 | from https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Using_your_machine_key_to_sign_modules |
| 09:18.05 | nvz | ltl-: /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.19/scripts/sign-file sha256 /root/MOK.priv /root/MOK.der /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/updates/dkms/vboxdrv.ko |
| 09:18.40 | nvz | the commands are likely failing because the module is not loaded, because its not signed and the kernel is signed and booted in secure mode |
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| 09:20.32 | vvor | u1f320: Soory, no Ansible repo to recommend. In any case you probably should go with RTFM anyway so you better grasp the concepts :) |
| 09:20.58 | u1f320 | vvor, yup:) |
| 09:21.05 | ltl- | it says no such file or dir for more than one of those things |
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| 09:21.26 | nvz | which has absolutely nothing to do with package signing which is when a debian maintainer signs a debian package before uploading it to the repositories, so that you can verify that your package has not been tampered with by using the debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:21.28 | u1f320 | maybe `uname -r` in some path |
| 09:21.47 | nvz | ,file scripts/sign-file |
| 09:21.51 | judd | Search for scripts/sign-file in buster/amd64: linux-kbuild-4.19: usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.19/scripts/sign-file |
| 09:22.20 | nvz | ltl-: yes as u1f320 said, you may have a different kernel version, and you also may not have linux-kbuild-4.19 installed |
| 09:22.38 | nvz | ltl-: consult dpkg -l linux-kbuild* and uname -r |
| 09:23.26 | ltl- | i want the bleeding edge kernel xD |
| 09:23.33 | ltl- | with no sign xD |
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| 09:24.08 | nvz | then build it yourself, and don't sign it |
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| 09:24.17 | nvz | I build 5.4.1 and I'm running it now.. |
| 09:24.20 | nvz | its unsigned.. |
| 09:24.38 | ltl- | but i need VirtualBox first so I can setup this freakin' MiFi USB pen x_x |
| 09:24.45 | ltl- | ...in Win 10 |
| 09:24.57 | ltl- | cuz that's all the setup exe supports lol |
| 09:25.11 | ltl- | hope it works on linux of all kinds after that |
| 09:25.30 | ZaZaGX | nvz is running debian 11? |
| 09:25.34 | ltl- | but i'll use VirtualBox for more than that of course |
| 09:25.41 | nvz | ZaZaGX: 10.2 |
| 09:25.55 | nvz | yeah that may or may not work.. |
| 09:26.04 | ltl- | what's the bleeding edge Debian version right now? |
| 09:26.12 | nvz | ltl-: I assume the mifi is some kinda cell modem? |
| 09:26.25 | ltl- | USB modem type thing |
| 09:26.26 | nevivurn | ltl-: unstable, or sid, is *always* bleeding edge. |
| 09:26.28 | nvz | ltl-: the newest debian is always sid |
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| 09:27.15 | ZaZaGX | you mean testing? |
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| 09:27.44 | ltl- | which one is most recent but is not yet extensively tested? |
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| 09:27.56 | ltl- | prolly sid / unstable |
| 09:27.59 | nevivurn | Testing generally gets the packages with a delay from unstable, so unstable is more *bleeding edge* than testing. |
| 09:28.42 | ltl- | all Debian devs are volunteers or are there paid positions? |
| 09:28.50 | nevivurn | But as the name suggests, you probably don't want to run unstable in any production manner. |
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| 09:29.41 | nvz | ltl-: traditionally none are paid, but there has been chatter about it recently |
| 09:29.50 | ltl- | interesting |
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| 09:30.00 | nvz | ltl-: https://lwn.net/Articles/790954/ |
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| 09:31.20 | nvz | ltl-: there are people who profit in various ways from debian development.. for example companies using complex application stacks dont like to have to upgrade and break stuff, so they pay people to provide extended long-term support beyond the LTS debian provides |
| 09:31.28 | nvz | dpkg, elts? |
| 09:31.28 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
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| 09:32.10 | nvz | its not total security team or even LTS support, its just extended LTS for select packages people pay to have maintained for extended periods |
| 09:32.28 | nvz | and anyone can use ELTS, but it takes money to pay people to add things to ELTS |
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| 09:34.29 | ltl- | Debian 10 needs the latest free as in freedom version of VirtualBox |
| 09:35.03 | nvz | virtualbox has been experiencing the similar issues to that we had with mozilla over firefox in the past |
| 09:35.07 | ltl- | I have much to pick up in order to be able to help |
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| 09:35.26 | nvz | currently we don't support virtualbox at all right now iirc |
| 09:35.37 | nvz | ,v virtualbox |
| 09:35.38 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.1.0-dfsg-3 |
| 09:36.02 | nvz | yes, virtualbox was removed from buster due to issues with upstream developers |
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| 09:36.04 | ltl- | that's almost an entire version behind |
| 09:36.11 | ZaZaGX | reallt |
| 09:36.11 | nvz | just like for a time firefox was removed |
| 09:36.14 | ZaZaGX | really |
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| 09:36.39 | nvz | yes, we had renamed it iceweasel to address issues with upstream |
| 09:36.45 | ZaZaGX | i'm running virtualbox Version 6.0.14 r133895 |
| 09:36.56 | ZaZaGX | on debian 10 |
| 09:36.57 | ltl- | iceweasel is old i think |
| 09:37.02 | nvz | their beef was that they didnt want us heavily patching their code and calling it firefox.. and them getting blame/reports for it |
| 09:37.21 | nvz | ltl-: yes, the issue was resolved, mozilla released firefox-esr and told us we could do what we wanted with it |
| 09:37.40 | ltl- | exented support release |
| 09:38.01 | nvz | ltl-: similar issue is going on with oracle over virtualbox, but in this case it has to do with support for previous releases |
| 09:38.03 | ltl- | that was new to me when i came over from Ubuntu a day or two ago, lol |
| 09:38.15 | nevivurn | Oh yeah, the mozilla guys changed the esr homepage now, kinda hard to figure out what/when upcoming versions will be. |
| 09:38.28 | nevivurn | Is that info readily available somewhere? |
| 09:38.45 | nvz | I can't speak for upstream projects I have nothing to do with.. |
| 09:39.15 | nvz | nevivurn: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr is our status page on it |
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| 09:40.14 | nvz | nevivurn: also of interest may be the https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr |
| 09:40.46 | nevivurn | Ah, I'll keep an eye on those for now then, I guess. |
| 09:41.09 | ZaZaGX | crap |
| 09:41.12 | nvz | if you look at the security-tracker you can see why we dont like to recommend testing to people in these channels |
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| 09:42.50 | ltl- | I guess bullseye is testing x_x |
| 09:43.00 | nvz | buster-backports is allowed to bypass debian policy and pull directly from sid without time restrictions.. testing however... can remain vulnerable at times |
| 09:43.21 | nvz | so thats why we tell people use stable and do things like use backports or such |
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| 09:43.47 | nvz | going to testing just cause you're inexperienced and think you need a new version of something, is a very bad idea |
| 09:44.17 | ltl- | i'll watch videos and read articles on it first before deciding |
| 09:44.58 | nvz | you have cases like a guy we had here the other day.. needed a new firmware for his fingerprint reader.. which led him to some unofficial forum from the manufacturer.. that told him to use fwupd which had him trying to get a newer libgusb..etc.. when none of that was necessary |
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| 09:45.43 | nvz | you're best to just come here and discuss the issues with people who know what they're doing where their advice can be peer-reviewed.. etc.. |
| 09:45.44 | ltl- | when i moved from win10 to ubuntu 18.04.3 lts, I wiped everything accidentally but I had some files backed up on the cloud thank god |
| 09:46.23 | ltl- | but i made sure to back up everything from ubuntu to debian 10 xD |
| 09:46.35 | nvz | I keep my files on my disks.. I only like my clouds to store H2O |
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| 09:47.10 | ltl- | i think i'll stay here to keep myself free of concern with running my crypto daemon |
| 09:47.35 | ltl- | yeah, i prefer hardware storage over cloud any day |
| 09:48.03 | nvz | I wish I had my external drive right now.. my ssd is full and I dont want to move this shit to my server |
| 09:48.21 | nvz | I seem to have lost it.. looked everywhere |
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| 09:49.27 | ltl- | you'll figure it out xD |
| 09:53.06 | nvz | yeah. well I just hope I didnt drop it around some windows user who may have tried to see what it was, and formatted the damn thing :P |
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| 09:54.01 | nvz | last I used windows (long time ago) it got rather presumptious about formatting a drive that it couldnt understand |
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| 09:55.47 | ZaZaGX | so in my sources, in Software & Updates GUI, under Authenication... how do i remove a trusted software provider? |
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| 09:57.11 | nvz | just pkexec nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:57.14 | nvz | or whatever |
| 09:58.20 | ZaZaGX | yeah i already did that |
| 09:59.04 | ZaZaGX | i can't find the signing key to remove |
| 09:59.17 | ZaZaGX | not sure where it is |
| 10:00.22 | nevivurn | That would be apt-key, apt-key list and apt-key del |
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| 10:02.08 | ZaZaGX | ah thanks |
| 10:02.18 | ZaZaGX | is it the last 8 digits? |
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| 10:05.41 | ZaZaGX | geez i got an error |
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| 10:07.40 | ZaZaGX | nvm i added a space geez |
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