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| 07:56.47 | ixz | try su - instead of su |
| 08:05.07 | Theonebobo | Never mind I was wanting to remove the partition and It would let me do that even though e2fsck -f came up with back blocks it would let me remove it then resize the other partition |
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| 09:46.38 | nazmi | Hi, is it me or several rooms on freenode are missing? |
| 09:47.10 | nazmi | (not a debian question indeed but you're the only room that's online from the ones I was in xd) |
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| 09:52.29 | nazmi | nevermind, I was just being autistic with the commands I used to join the channels, ahppy holidays everyone |
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| 10:22.27 | ultrableacheddol | Currently installing Debian 10 over PXE. Debian 10 rocks! |
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| 10:24.16 | lupulo | hi |
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| 10:30.00 | hatter__ | I have a stretch box that was recently upgraded from Jessie, it is getting stuck on cgmager : |
| 10:30.01 | hatter__ | http://dpaste.com/3F59EV9 |
| 10:30.08 | hatter__ | I can't seem to remove it or reinstall it |
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| 11:02.11 | generic | Can I redirect /dev/kmsg to a different location somehow? |
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| 11:08.11 | outtabwz | how can i install icewm on buster? nothing mentioned here: https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment |
| 11:08.42 | Habbie | ,v icewm |
| 11:08.43 | judd | Package: icewm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.8-2; stretch: 1.3.8+mod+20161220-1; buster: 1.4.3.0~pre-20181030-2; bullseye: 1.6.3+git20191202-1; sid: 1.6.3+git20191202-1 |
| 11:08.47 | Habbie | you can apt install it |
| 11:10.10 | outtabwz | nice. is it well loved here? |
| 11:10.26 | Habbie | i don't know :) |
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| 11:11.49 | outtabwz | i recently tried icewm and have been pleased. it feels light and is easy to configure. |
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| 11:50.37 | |{|{|{|}|}|}| | Bushmaster: yes, but that doesn't really concern Debian OS |
| 11:50.56 | |{|{|{|}|}|}| | If you want to register a domain, I recommend namesilo.com |
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| 11:51.27 | Bushmaster | okay thanks |{|{|{|}|}|}| |
| 11:51.53 | |{|{|{|}|}|}| | or do you just want a domain that is resolvable in your internal IP network? not really sure what you are asking |
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| 11:58.08 | Bushmaster | |{|{|{|}|}|}|: i run a media server at home, basically Apache runs all my movies stored in a SATA External HD docked and powered. |
| 11:58.46 | Bushmaster | |{|{|{|}|}|}|: obviiusly external public IP I can access it all but I want that public IP to be replaced by web address |
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| 12:05.14 | SS | assalamualaikum |
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| 12:05.20 | SS | haii apa kabar |
| 12:06.08 | SS | kok pada diem siihh |
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| 12:46.16 | bipul | Hi |
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| 12:56.51 | B|ack0p | hi |
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| 13:02.21 | bipul | Just tell me when we add any new package "tree" inside ./pool/main/t/ i.e ./pool/main/t/tree/tree-1.7.0.deb Then updated the hash at ./dist/<codeName>/Release and md5sum.txt But still while installing it says Base system Package.gz has corrupt. |
| 13:02.29 | bipul | Any help :( ? |
| 13:02.40 | abrotman | we add? |
| 13:03.05 | bipul | sorry, i have added :( |
| 13:05.44 | bipul | Warning: file:///cdrom/dists/<codeName>/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz was corrupt |
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| 15:08.53 | B|ack0p | i installed pastebinit but it stucks like this : $ pastebinit |
| 15:08.54 | B|ack0p | /usr/bin/pastebinit:42: DeprecationWarning: dist() and linux_distribution() functions are deprecated in Python 3.5 release = platform.linux_distribution()[0].lower() |
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| 15:09.21 | B|ack0p | stucks at sudo dmesg | pastebinit command too |
| 15:09.23 | B|ack0p | like this |
| 15:10.55 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: Which OS? |
| 15:11.32 | B|ack0p | petn-randall: deb10 |
| 15:11.32 | petn-randall | B|ack0p: can you share the output of `apt-cache policy pastebinit; apt-cache policy` run as root? |
| 15:11.39 | B|ack0p | ok |
| 15:12.03 | Habbie | pastebinit also does that here, and then outputs http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 15:12.07 | Habbie | with nothing after the last / |
| 15:12.19 | Habbie | now, those warnings do not expect the failure |
| 15:12.21 | Habbie | but fail it does |
| 15:12.45 | B|ack0p | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1122950 |
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| 15:13.00 | Habbie | here's my output http://paste.debian.net/1122951/ |
| 15:13.16 | Habbie | so i think we can safey conclude that pastebinit in buster is broken for the debian pastebin |
| 15:13.36 | annadane | great. :| |
| 15:13.36 | Habbie | *safely |
| 15:13.57 | Habbie | s/expect/explain/ sorry |
| 15:13.57 | annadane | remind me to run testing more often so i can catch stuff like that, lol |
| 15:14.02 | Habbie | hehe |
| 15:14.22 | annadane | fixed in 10.3, i assume |
| 15:14.25 | B|ack0p | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1122952 |
| 15:14.36 | Habbie | $ echo hi | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com/ |
| 15:14.38 | Habbie | this works |
| 15:14.44 | Habbie | annadane, why do you assume that? |
| 15:15.02 | annadane | if it's fundamentally broken then i assume it gets fixed next point release |
| 15:15.03 | B|ack0p | when will 10.3 be released? |
| 15:15.06 | Habbie | right |
| 15:15.12 | Habbie | i assume update/upgrade would get me that fix before 10.3 though? |
| 15:15.16 | annadane | like next month |
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| 15:15.32 | B|ack0p | kkk |
| 15:15.33 | spacebug^ | if they know it's broken that is |
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| 15:15.35 | annadane | it's what, a point release roughly every 2 months, 2 1/2 months... it's been a while since 10.2 |
| 15:15.50 | annadane | well not quite that often |
| 15:16.27 | annadane | i've only seen x.11 and 2 months between releases = 24 months |
| 15:16.40 | annadane | s/months/years |
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| 15:17.24 | annadane | so maybe 2ish months yeah though there tends to be an oldstable point release as a final one |
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| 15:18.57 | Habbie | i don't see an open bug for pastebinit about this |
| 15:19.06 | annadane | november 16, 10.2 released, 10.1 was september 7 so i guess 10.3 is endish of january |
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| 15:19.37 | Habbie | well, there's https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931489 |
| 15:19.38 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/931489 in pastebinit (open): «pastebinit»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-07-06; last modified: 2019-07-06. |
| 15:19.41 | Habbie | which does not exactly cover it |
| 15:19.44 | annadane | but yeah no reason the fix has to coincide with the point release release, it can be before |
| 15:19.55 | Habbie | so somebody should report it |
| 15:19.58 | Habbie | i might do it later |
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| 15:34.49 | H2Q | hello, can I change the names of my user-root-host? |
| 15:36.10 | nvz | your what? |
| 15:37.38 | H2Q | https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-change-hostname-permanently/ |
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| 15:41.34 | nvz | changing your hostname is rather trivial I just didnt know what user-root-host meant |
| 15:42.12 | nvz | change the name it /etc/hostname and update it in /etc/hosts too for 127.0.1.1 or w/e and then do hostname -F /etc/hostname |
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| 15:57.30 | H2Q | this command gives 'no such file or directory' for hostname.sh; '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh start' |
| 15:57.58 | H2Q | as for your suggestion, does the command start with 'do' ? |
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| 15:59.05 | Habbie | nvz did not suggest you do that command |
| 16:02.02 | H2Q | as for your suggestion, does the command start with 'do' or 'hostname'? |
| 16:02.10 | H2Q | as it was not quoted |
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| 16:02.21 | H2Q | hope more clear now |
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| 16:05.37 | H2Q | I am in '/etc/init.d' and I run 'hostname.sh start'. then I get 'bash hostname.sh: command not found' |
| 16:07.51 | Habbie | it starts with 'hostname' |
| 16:08.09 | Habbie | modern debian does not have /etc/init.d/hostname.sh at all unless you switched away from systemd, which i would not recommend |
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| 16:08.17 | Habbie | personally i prefer rebooting for such changes anyway |
| 16:09.04 | H2Q | does logout-login suffice? |
| 16:09.29 | nvz | hostname is the command, it sets it immediately |
| 16:09.41 | nvz | just editing those two files would make it persistant and happen on reboot |
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| 16:16.56 | nvz | hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 16:17.06 | nvz | just sets the hostname to whatever you put in /etc/hostname |
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| 16:17.45 | nvz | you dont stricktly /need/ to edit /etc/hosts but you will see some warnings and such when using certain things if localhost doesnt point to the hostname you specified |
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| 16:18.28 | nvz | some things expect 127.0.1.1 to point to the hostname |
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| 16:18.44 | nvz | or the hostname to point to 127.0.1.1 rather :D |
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| 16:22.49 | jhutchins | Um, that's 127.0.0.1 - 127.0.1.1 is the address for the local clock in ntp's config. |
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| 16:24.19 | jhutchins | Ok, me being old again. I see debian sets the hostname at 1.1 and localhost at 0.1 |
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| 16:41.31 | NetTerminalGene | how can i disable gnome-software? |
| 16:41.40 | NetTerminalGene | from launching at boot |
| 16:42.01 | ixz | you can deinstall it maybe |
| 16:42.10 | ixz | or choose another type of xdm and such |
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| 16:43.28 | annadane | um... no? |
| 16:43.37 | annadane | there ought to be an option somewhere |
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| 16:44.05 | NetTerminalGene | i also want to disable evolution services |
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| 16:44.40 | NetTerminalGene | maybe i should switch to xfce |
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| 16:45.16 | nvz | its far better than gnome IMHO |
| 16:45.40 | c0rnelius | indeed it is |
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| 16:46.38 | diogenes_ | NetTerminalGene, gnome is even more monolithic than the kernel and if you want to remove one small thing, it takes down the entire gnome-shell, which is crazy. |
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| 16:47.28 | NetTerminalGene | i used to use xfce |
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| 16:47.42 | NetTerminalGene | then switchet to kde |
| 16:47.49 | NetTerminalGene | and to gnome |
| 16:48.04 | NetTerminalGene | using gnome for 2 years |
| 16:48.11 | nvz | so another words you backslid into GUI hell |
| 16:48.19 | ixz | ..using wmaker for 15+ years |
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| 17:04.44 | H2Q | which of the two methods here do you recommend in order to change the username; https://askubuntu.com/questions/34074/how-do-i-change-my-username ? the first answer (with 340 votes), or the second one (with 109 votes) ? |
| 17:05.33 | ixz | i change it manually/scripted at /etc/passwd and group or such |
| 17:06.08 | petn-randall | I wouldn't edit /etc/passwd by hand, it's trivial to brick your system that way. |
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| 17:06.23 | OerHeks | H2Q, do not look at votes, just at the green icon that says good answer |
| 17:06.28 | petn-randall | H2Q: They're equivalent, the one is just more verbose. |
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| 17:06.33 | ixz | its trivialer to be bricken not to do so |
| 17:06.40 | H2Q | I already created a second user but then saw the second way |
| 17:06.52 | H2Q | the first answer also says it may not work |
| 17:06.57 | petn-randall | ixz: I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 17:07.09 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 17:07.09 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 17:07.13 | ixz | sorry im out of bisness currently |
| 17:10.14 | H2Q | I will try, then, thank you |
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| 17:48.17 | H2Q | how can I check whether (or fix if) my files point to the old home folder name? |
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| 17:51.12 | H2Q | does simply creating a symlink with 'ln -s /home/newname /home/oldname' fix it? |
| 17:55.17 | humbot | why not just mv |
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| 18:01.39 | petn-randall | H2Q: You want to change your homedir, and just rename the old one to the new one vi amv. |
| 18:01.42 | petn-randall | *via mv |
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| 18:03.33 | H2Q | petn-randall, in the link above where I compared the two answers, the first answering user wrote that it might be the case that some files pointed at the old homedir still |
| 18:05.23 | humbot | some scripts with your $HOME hardcoded? |
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| 18:07.15 | H2Q | I dont know how to do that. I was just asking if 'ln -s /home/newname /home/oldname' could be used just in case if files with the old homedir name in their path existed |
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| 18:11.27 | warsoul | how can i see every hard drive i have in my pc with the OS that has each one? |
| 18:12.10 | Habbie | warsoul, i like (g)parted for that |
| 18:12.36 | warsoul | i need to add a entry on the grub to boot freebsd |
| 18:12.41 | warsoul | but dont know the harddrive |
| 18:12.57 | c0rnelius | sudo ls blkid |
| 18:13.05 | c0rnelius | -ls |
| 18:13.20 | c0rnelius | just sudo blkid |
| 18:14.11 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1122965/ |
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| 18:15.25 | c0rnelius | haven't used bsd in awhiles but pretty sure its the ufs partition |
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| 18:15.42 | Habbie | yes, bsd tends to be, or look like, ufs |
| 18:15.57 | humbot | lsblk shows sizes |
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| 18:16.05 | c0rnelius | yep |
| 18:16.52 | warsoul | what partition is? |
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| 18:17.35 | H2Q | I have another question concerning the back-up of a system. are there further folders that could be excluded in this command, in order to save space; 'sudo tar czf /backup.tar.gz --exclude=/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/dev --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/lost+found /' ? |
| 18:17.54 | c0rnelius | --> /dev/sdd2 |
| 18:18.11 | Habbie | H2Q, i like -x but that does the opposite - limit rsync to the partition you mentioned |
| 18:18.42 | Habbie | H2Q, furthermore, almost everything in /usr should be recreatable from the list of installed packages, but there can always be a few surprises in that |
| 18:19.14 | Habbie | H2Q, /usr/share/doc might be a nice compromise there - it is big and also useless |
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| 18:23.58 | H2Q | Habbie, /bin, /boot, /run, /sbin, /srv as well do not contain any custom element, right? |
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| 18:25.54 | H2Q | I am only concerned with keeping custom configurations / installations |
| 18:26.46 | H2Q | it'd be great not to have to re-enter them, i.e. in case of a fresh install |
| 18:27.22 | n4dir | the arch wiki has an example for backing up the complete installation, and i assume that one is ok. |
| 18:27.28 | n4dir | with rsync |
| 18:27.33 | H2Q | but dont know where to find them. not all such files are under ~/.config, for ex. |
| 18:27.47 | pikaro | hi! it looks like upgrading to debian 10, something changed the permissions of /etc/ssl to 0750 root:smmsp. is this a conscious choice or is there a known culprit? sendmail doesn't seem to have done so. /etc/ssl/certs still is 0755 root:root but this means that nobody but root and sendmail can validate certificates... |
| 18:28.24 | n4dir | H2Q: i guess i'd go for all hidden files in the user(s) home(s) and all of /etc. |
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| 18:30.34 | H2Q | n4dir, so /usr or /var is not relevant? |
| 18:31.47 | n4dir | i am not too sure, but as far as configurations are concerned i would say "not relevant". iirc some configurations (default) might be in /usr/share. |
| 18:31.55 | n4dir | as said: don't take my word for it. |
| 18:32.13 | tuv | what's the recommended way of installing npm packages? |
| 18:32.18 | n4dir | usually you are told to copy those default configs to /etc or your home and edit there. |
| 18:32.39 | tuv | instead of `npm install -g <package-name>` |
| 18:33.32 | n4dir | H2Q: my approach was to a) backup all of etc b) backup all of hidden home files and c) backup all of the system (with excludes). All with rsync. |
| 18:33.40 | n4dir | just to be sure. |
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| 18:34.31 | Habbie | pikaro, /etc/ssl is 0755 root:root on my (non-upgrade) buster (with no mail software installed), fwiw |
| 18:34.40 | skyler | exit |
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| 18:36.39 | pikaro | Habbie, weird - it was working yesterday, fetchmail fetched a mail successfully so it was definitely the upgrade |
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| 18:54.45 | Habbie | pikaro, does sound like it :( |
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| 19:07.13 | jetscreamer | default menu xfce regenerates items on first click. how to direct menu to regenerate on_boot or on_login so i don't have to wait that 3-5 seconds for the menu to pop up (the first time, is fine after that) |
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| 19:08.55 | diogenes_ | jetscreamer, default or whisker? |
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| 19:10.49 | jetscreamer | default |
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| 19:11.02 | jetscreamer | ... i think |
| 19:11.17 | jetscreamer | yes, default |
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| 19:12.48 | diogenes_ | default is called Application Menu. you could ask in #xfce too. |
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| 19:13.22 | jetscreamer | good thought |
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| 19:16.35 | diogenes_ | jetscreamer, btw you could get the same kinda menu if you right click ok desktop > applications. |
| 19:17.55 | jetscreamer | yeah. workaround is click, click again (elsewhere on desktop) then when i do want the menu, it's ready |
| 19:17.58 | jetscreamer | same menu |
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| 19:18.44 | humbot | mine is ridiculously slow to launch the first time too |
| 19:19.25 | jetscreamer | pretty sure i read it regenerates or reparses the menu items the first use. so i want to get it to do it when i log in. |
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| 19:20.09 | jetscreamer | coulda been some other menu though |
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| 19:20.22 | H2Q | n4dir, thank you, I was exploring the folder contents. looks like usr/share contains manual installations, too. do these contain config files, too? |
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| 19:21.16 | diogenes_ | jetscreamer, you could add this to startup: xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu |
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| 19:22.42 | diogenes_ | so it regenerates before you start it so all the following menu activations are fast. |
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| 19:41.50 | nulltrading | hello, I have a program that requires java 8. Which is only available on stretch(oldstable), would I just add a reference to that repo in my sources.list? |
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| 19:45.14 | petn-randall | !java-package |
| 19:45.15 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 19:45.23 | petn-randall | nulltrading: You might get it installed like this. ^^^ |
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| 19:52.35 | nulltrading | petn-randall: thank you, that seems to be what i am looking for |
| 19:53.21 | petn-randall | nulltrading: You're welcome, and let me know if you could install java8 this way. |
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| 19:57.28 | hatter__ | I am trying to upgrade a kernel on a newly upgraded stretch box, from kernel 3.2 to 4.9. It is sitting at : update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-11-amd64 for a long time now. Two lines above it says this : Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.9.0-11-amd64 cannot be found. |
| 19:59.53 | bipul | Where i can get the source code for apt-utils |
| 19:59.55 | bipul | ? |
| 20:00.03 | Habbie | bipul, 'apt source apt-utils' |
| 20:00.04 | bipul | .help |
| 20:00.08 | bipul | !help |
| 20:00.27 | bipul | Habbie, It does not get me the real one |
| 20:00.33 | Habbie | bipul, hmm? |
| 20:01.23 | bipul | You shoud check and let me know |
| 20:01.52 | Habbie | i should nothing, sorry |
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| 20:02.58 | bipul | :9 |
| 20:03.01 | bipul | :( |
| 20:03.28 | OerHeks | if you need the source and know howtobuild, you would have found that apt-utils is part of apt |
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| 20:05.29 | bipul | OerHeks, How did you know ? just asking? I can see "Original-Maintainer: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>" |
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| 20:07.06 | bipul | oh pool/main/a/apt/apt-utils_1.6.6ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb |
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| 20:16.07 | bipul | OerHeks, Nops , it does not have .gz file which contains actual data. |
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| 20:17.19 | OerHeks | The following binary packages are built from this source package: ... https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/apt |
| 20:17.49 | petn-randall | bipul: What makes you think that `apt source apt-utils` not get you the "real" source code? |
| 20:18.44 | bipul | I can't see here :( |
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| 20:18.55 | petn-randall | hatter__: From which release did you upgrade to stretch? |
| 20:19.24 | bipul | yes stretch may be it's my fault |
| 20:19.59 | petn-randall | bipul: You can't see what exactly? |
| 20:20.08 | petn-randall | bipul: What do you expect, and what do you get instead? |
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| 20:21.10 | bipul | I'm expecting to get apt_1.6.12.tar.gz file. |
| 20:21.17 | hatter__ | petn-randall - jessie |
| 20:21.39 | bipul | Also i'm unable to extract this apt_1.6.12.tar.xz using tar -xfj |
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| 20:22.07 | hatter__ | it's hung on this : update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-11-amd64 - after changing the symlinks... :( scary |
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| 20:22.25 | hatter__ | I am still ssh'd in on another terminal |
| 20:22.32 | petn-randall | bipul: Please share the output of `apt source apt-utils` with us via https://paste.debian.net. |
| 20:22.55 | petn-randall | hatter__: Is there any I/O on the machine? |
| 20:24.13 | hatter__ | :petn-randall, no, pretty idle |
| 20:24.18 | bipul | petn-randall, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1122975 |
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| 20:24.43 | hatter__ | oh, it just continued |
| 20:24.45 | bipul | oh i'm on different distro |
| 20:25.13 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 20:25.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:25.20 | petn-randall | bipul: You may ask in there. ^^^ |
| 20:25.46 | bipul | ok :) :D |
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| 20:28.51 | hatter__ | petn-randall, I pressed ctrl-c while it appeared hung, then it continued for awhile, then it looked like it finished, then it said interrupted by user. |
| 20:29.04 | hatter__ | now if I try to install the new kernel again it says it is installed. |
| 20:29.16 | hatter__ | ...I am scared now :( |
| 20:30.18 | hatter__ | dpkg -l says it is installed. |
| 20:30.18 | dpkg | ii says it is installed. 3.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 20:31.23 | hatter__ | kernel 4.9 is in the grub.cfg... |
| 20:31.48 | hatter__ | can i do a apt-get install --reinstall on the kernel to be safe ? |
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| 20:35.39 | petn-randall | hatter__: Are you sure you went from jessie to stretch? linux kernel 3.2 was packaged in wheezy. |
| 20:36.35 | hatter__ | petn-randall, It was wheezy first, then stretch, then jessie, then stretch, so I must not have upgraded the kernel in between the stretch to jessie |
| 20:36.54 | hatter__ | I mean, wheezy, jessie, stretch |
| 20:37.02 | petn-randall | hatter__: You might want to finish the upgrade to jessie first before moving to stretch. |
| 20:37.18 | hatter__ | it all went fine, there weren't any errors |
| 20:37.26 | petn-randall | Well, the kernel isn't. |
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| 20:38.18 | hatter__ | ah. |
| 20:38.48 | hatter__ | so perhap this box didn't have the meta-kernel ? |
| 20:39.01 | hatter__ | so it didn't upgrade the kernel during the upgrade process ? |
| 20:39.38 | petn-randall | Maybe, but also initramfs doesn't work with every kernel from every release. |
| 20:40.02 | hatter__ | it appears kernel 4.9 is installed , do you think it hasn't worked ? |
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| 20:42.46 | petn-randall | hatter__: You can generate the initramfs again with `update-initramfs -k <version number> -u`. I'd try that to be sure. |
| 20:43.16 | hatter__ | petn-randall, ok thx, I will try this. |
| 20:43.32 | hatter__ | what do I do in IRC to highlight who I am talking to ? |
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| 20:44.30 | slimefoot | hatter__: just write their nickname |
| 20:44.49 | hatter__ | slimefoot, is this highlighted for you now ? |
| 20:44.51 | slimefoot | yes |
| 20:44.57 | hatter__ | ah, just not for me. |
| 20:45.03 | hatter__ | slimefoot, thx |
| 20:45.10 | slimefoot | hatter__: <- so this message is not highlighted for you? |
| 20:45.17 | hatter__ | slimefoot, yes it is |
| 20:45.23 | hatter__ | slimefoot, but my msg to you isn't |
| 20:45.36 | slimefoot | well yes, because *my* nickname is used :-P |
| 20:45.45 | hatter__ | so I wasn't sure I was highlighting who I am talking to :) |
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| 20:46.43 | petn-randall | hatter__: Your IRC client will only highlight messages that contain your nick, not from others. |
| 20:47.05 | hatter__ | petn-randall, ok thx. |
| 20:47.06 | petn-randall | You could configure it to, but it wouldn't be useful, as most of your messages should be prefixed to the user you want to send it to. |
| 20:47.21 | petn-randall | (You'd end up with nearly all messages in a channel highlighted) |
| 20:47.37 | hatter__ | petn-randall, I just wasn't sure if I need a special character to highlight who I am replying to |
| 20:48.04 | petn-randall | Ah, ok. |
| 20:48.22 | hatter__ | the meta package is : linux-image-amd64 ? |
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| 20:48.43 | hatter__ | this should put the kernel related to the release during the upgrade ? |
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| 21:10.48 | HelloShitty | Hello everyone. I need help to change a new user account I just created system language |
| 21:10.53 | HelloShitty | and I can't make it work |
| 21:11.23 | HelloShitty | I created an account for my daughter and I need to change her account to our native language. I have already tried a few things but nothing seems to work |
| 21:11.36 | B|ack0p | HelloShitty: nice nick :p |
| 21:11.47 | HelloShitty | I tried the 2nd part of this site: |
| 21:11.50 | HelloShitty | https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage |
| 21:12.08 | HelloShitty | where it says - How to change the language of KDE applications |
| 21:12.17 | HelloShitty | But made no difference |
| 21:12.45 | HelloShitty | then I tried by hand with `localectl set-locale pt_PT.utf8" |
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| 21:13.08 | HelloShitty | and checked with `localectl status` |
| 21:13.14 | HelloShitty | but it onlu chnaged part of the settings |
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| 21:13.40 | HelloShitty | the setting LANGUAGE remianed en_GB.utf8:en |
| 21:14.25 | HelloShitty | I tried then with `localectl set-locale LANGUAGE=pt_PT.utf8` |
| 21:14.45 | HelloShitty | but when I checked with `localectl status` |
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| 21:14.58 | HelloShitty | that LANGUAGE setting vanished from the command output |
| 21:15.14 | HelloShitty | so I set it again with export LANGUAGE=pt_PT.utf8 |
| 21:15.25 | HelloShitty | and checked again with `localectl status` |
| 21:15.38 | HelloShitty | and that setting went back to en_GB.utf8:en |
| 21:15.41 | HelloShitty | :0 |
| 21:16.13 | HelloShitty | So, how am I supposed to change my daughter's account language without affecting my own account language? |
| 21:16.51 | gvth | test |
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| 21:20.57 | gvth | Hi; I have a text file in which I would like to replace any secluded newline character by a simple space character. Which means that when there are multiple successive newlines, I would like to keep them in tact. I would be very thankful for a command line to accomplish this. Thanks in advance :-) |
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| 21:28.23 | j0n5iver | whoami |
| 21:28.30 | j0n5iver | whoops, my bad |
| 21:29.06 | Habbie | gvth, i like: perl -pe 's/\n/ /g' |
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| 21:29.15 | Habbie | gvth, but you should test if before you believe that that is correct |
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| 21:35.50 | gvth | Habbie: doesn't it also exchange multiple successive newlines with space characters? |
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| 21:37.11 | HelloShitty | B|ack0p: ty... |
| 21:37.31 | HelloShitty | But I need help on changing system language for specific user account. Any help? |
| 21:37.32 | Habbie | gvth, oh, you said secluded, sorry - then leave out the g |
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| 21:37.46 | Habbie | gvth, i misread it as 'i want 3 newlines to become 3 spaces' |
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| 21:38.00 | Habbie | gvth, but even without g it might do the wrong thing for you, i realise now |
| 21:38.08 | Habbie | gvth, you could try /m but i forgot the semantics |
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| 21:39.12 | jhutchins | hatter__: Are you still there? |
| 21:40.21 | gvth | Habbie: two successive newlines should remain two successive newlines and single newlines should be replaced by space characters |
| 21:40.54 | hatter__ | jhutchins, yes |
| 21:42.29 | jhutchins | Many irc programs will use different colors for different nics in the text, that might be a feature you could turn on. |
| 21:42.49 | jhutchins | hatter__: At any point did you do "dist-upgrade" or "full-upgrade"? |
| 21:44.22 | hatter__ | jhutchins, I think I followed the instructions and only did dist-upgrade for 8 - 9, but full-upgrade for 9-10, |
| 21:44.56 | jhutchins | hatter__: They are synonyms, so as long as you did that, you should have gotten a new kernel. |
| 21:45.27 | hatter__ | hmmm, it doesn't seem that I did on a few of these boxes |
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| 21:46.32 | hatter__ | I am looking at one now that is jessie, but it is on kernel 3.2 |
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| 21:46.54 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:46.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 21:46.56 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
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| 21:47.35 | hatter__ | I just did another one that was the same, I installed linux-image-amd64 , it installed 3.16 then I rebooted, however it hasn't come back up yet. hopefully it is just doing a fsck |
| 21:48.39 | jhutchins | hatter__: It's usually recommended that you do apt-get upgrade, then when it's finished do apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 21:48.50 | hatter__ | absolutely. |
| 21:48.52 | hatter__ | that is what I did. |
| 21:48.56 | jhutchins | hatter__: The second step installs the kernel and removes obsoleted packages. |
| 21:49.20 | hatter__ | it hasn't installed kernel all the time it seems, it has been successful on most of the boxes. |
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| 21:52.25 | jhutchins | hatter__: I think there are different meta-packages that might affect how the kernel is updated, I'm not entirely sure. |
| 21:53.07 | cyveris | In general, I know that mixing stable and unstable is a no-no. Wireguard's installation instructions for Debian stable seem to add an unstable repo, but then limit it to only the wireguard packages. Is this a sane method? https://www.wireguard.com/install/ |
| 21:53.32 | cyveris | Or, rather, they set the repo priority lower than stable. |
| 21:54.24 | jhutchins | ,v wireguard |
| 21:54.25 | judd | Package: wireguard on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.0.20191219-1; sid: 0.0.20191219-1 |
| 21:54.43 | joepublic | in my opinion, that is a non-sane method, with some risk of frankendebian. |
| 21:54.56 | jhutchins | cyveris: The above implies that wireguard is not currently in unstable. |
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| 21:55.06 | cyveris | I thought 'sid' was unstable? |
| 21:55.15 | joepublic | I do see how it could appear to be fine for a while. |
| 21:55.40 | jhutchins | cyveris: Ah, sorry, I'm thinking experimental. |
| 21:55.44 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:55.58 | jhutchins | cyveris: That's the sane way to install packages from sid. |
| 21:56.04 | cyveris | Ah, neat. |
| 21:56.16 | cyveris | Could that fail if some dependency was unavailable? |
| 21:56.25 | jhutchins | Yes. |
| 21:56.26 | cyveris | ... I realize that that was a stupid question. |
| 21:56.41 | joepublic | same instructions might apply to the dependency |
| 21:56.53 | jhutchins | I'm not sure how the pinning procedure would handle dependencies. |
| 21:56.55 | cyveris | Is it possible somehow to check if those dependencies are satisfied? |
| 21:57.01 | jhutchins | !checkbackport wireguard |
| 21:57.42 | cyveris | Should I type that? |
| 21:58.15 | jhutchins | cyveris: There's some way to query the bot here. |
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| 21:58.30 | jhutchins | ,checkbackport wireguard |
| 21:58.31 | judd | Backporting package wireguard in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 22:00.26 | cyveris | Guess I'm out of luck, huh. |
| 22:00.51 | hatter__ | some of my jessie boxes are on kernel 3.20, which is the kernel from wheezy, most of them are on kernel 3.16 |
| 22:01.08 | cyveris | jhutchins: Thanks for the help. :) |
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| 22:01.08 | hatter__ | I hadn't even checked until now |
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| 22:01.28 | hatter__ | I thought the kernel would have been updated with the dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.40 | hatter__ | maybe it wasn't the meta kernel ? |
| 22:02.00 | jhutchins | hatter__: Should have been, but we don't know what happened to those boxes prior to the update, so we don't know why it might not have. |
| 22:02.23 | jhutchins | hatter__: I don't know the upgrade process well enough to tell you. |
| 22:02.28 | hatter__ | hmm, should it be safe to now change to the meta kernel ? |
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| 22:02.48 | hatter__ | ok thx |
| 22:03.06 | jhutchins | hatter__: The kernel isn't always installed as a metapackage, so it could be it was installed by installing a specific version directly, and would not jump a major version. |
| 22:03.42 | hatter__ | jhutchins, yes this is what I am guessing |
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| 22:04.07 | hatter__ | I didn't pay enough attention to the kernel versions. |
| 22:04.08 | jhutchins | hatter__: That's pure speculation. During the US workday/week there are some people on who know the process better. |
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| 22:05.41 | hatter__ | *phew* one of the boxes I changed to the meta version just came back up. |
| 22:05.48 | hatter__ | it was doing a fsck |
| 22:06.15 | jhutchins | hatter__: Yeah, and makeinitramfs or dracut or whatever can take a while too. |
| 22:06.35 | hatter__ | jhutchins, it doesn't do that on reboot though |
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| 22:06.47 | jhutchins | True. |
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| 22:08.18 | u1f320 | Any docs on how to get(or compile) a debug version of a package ? |
| 22:08.40 | nvz | apt install foo-dbg |
| 22:09.14 | nvz | that or compiling a debugging version both depend on the package in question |
| 22:09.15 | u1f320 | E: Unable to locate package pcmanfm-qt-dbg |
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| 22:10.34 | jhutchins | !debug |
| 22:10.35 | dpkg | DeBuggers $1 |
| 22:10.51 | Habbie | $1 :D |
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| 22:11.13 | jhutchins | u1f320: Pretty sure there's something on the wiki about it. |
| 22:12.24 | u1f320 | ah I may need to add -debug to sources.list |
| 22:12.29 | u1f320 | https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages |
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| 22:18.35 | u1f320 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage |
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| 22:22.10 | u1f320 | sudo apt install pcmanfm-qt-dbgsym |
| 22:23.10 | u1f320 | unless I'm missing something this line wasn't needed: deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug buster-debug main |
| 22:23.22 | u1f320 | to get that -dbgsym package |
| 22:24.01 | u1f320 | however, that's not what I wanted :) the -dbg one still doesn't exist hmm, guess I'll have to search for a recompile with -DDEBUG howto |
| 22:25.04 | u1f320 | oh it's pcmanfm-dbg |
| 22:25.41 | u1f320 | unless it's the non-qt version, ok nvm |
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| 22:43.00 | smalltalk | hey guys my postfix stops working and my server stops receiving any email if I try to enable spamassassin with basic settings shown on most tutorials |
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| 22:47.14 | sponix | smalltalk: there was an exim guy in here the other day with spamassassin issues also |
| 22:47.21 | karlpinc | smalltalk: Don't follow the tuitorials. Instead read the readme.debian. |
| 22:47.25 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 22:47.25 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 22:47.46 | digdilem | random internet tutorials are often misleading or out of date. |
| 22:48.06 | karlpinc | smalltalk: Otherwise, should work pretty much out of the box. (Dunno. I'm using spamassassin with postfix, although not auto-discarding.) |
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| 22:49.35 | karlpinc | smalltalk: In my master.cf I have: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd |
| 22:49.48 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:50.34 | karlpinc | smalltalk: And: spamfilter unix - n n - - pipe flags=Rq user=spamfilter argv=/usr/local/sbin/postfixfilter -f ${sender} -- ${recipient} |
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| 22:58.06 | brainacid0 | Has anyone tried the RAMboot hack? https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/isaackuo-112178/ramboot-with-continuous-rsync-synchronization-37498/ |
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| 22:59.41 | brainacid0 | Im currently running Star Kirk based on Devuan with this hack |
| 23:00.48 | smalltalk | thanks for the suggestion guys, I got the same content_filter line after smtp with proper whitespace |
| 23:01.00 | smalltalk | but seems like it wont work :( |
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| 23:02.51 | karlpinc | !doesn't work |
| 23:02.52 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 23:03.05 | Habbie | !sicco |
| 23:03.05 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 23:03.16 | karlpinc | smalltalk: The first step is always to look in the logs. |
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| 23:45.10 | Thr3ep0od | Hi guys |
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| 23:46.45 | Thr3ep0od | I would like to know which storage is better between ISCSI / Glusterfs |
| 23:47.10 | Thr3ep0od | I got into performance speed |
| 23:50.26 | petn-randall | !best |
| 23:50.27 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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