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| 05:51.24 | diogenes_ | GnomeTouchpadStu, wayland? |
| 05:51.32 | GnomeTouchpadStu | yes |
| 05:51.45 | GnomeTouchpadStu | is that it? it's a wayland issue? hadn't thought of that. |
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| 05:51.55 | diogenes_ | tried on X? |
| 05:52.01 | GnomeTouchpadStu | brb. going to try with an x11 session. |
| 05:57.51 | tamberoo | speaking of wayland, does anyone know of a good video explaining what exactly it is? |
| 05:58.12 | tamberoo | im not a supertechhead or anything so im not totally sure what the difference between it and X is |
| 05:58.27 | nevivurn | Not sure about a video, but the arch wiki article is pretty good iirc. |
| 05:59.14 | nevivurn | Hm, never mind, it doesn't actually explain what it is. |
| 05:59.50 | diogenes_ | tamberoo, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_MBJcD3SFI |
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| 06:01.30 | GnomeTouchpadStu | the issue without being able to hold the left-click on the touchpad and highlight text does not appear to be a wayland issue. i tried it with every other x11 option, including classic. even rebooted. same issue. |
| 06:02.47 | GnomeTouchpadStu | it's odd because, if i plug a mouse in, everything works as expected. this feels like a gnome3 "why don't you think it's more convenient to double-click and drag" issue. yet, the fixes i've found online for that haven't worked. |
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| 06:05.28 | diogenes_ | GnomeTouchpadStu, maybe a driver thing? maybe xserver-xorg-input-synaptics works better but on X only. |
| 06:06.03 | Jmabsd | Guys so on Debian Stretch I think it was, my Vega 64 card *DID* provide a 4K framebuffer. And then now booting off the upgraded-to "buster", as reported yesterday, the amdgpu framebuffer driver suffers an exception and prints a stack trace in dmesg. |
| 06:06.06 | Jmabsd | Any thoughts how fix? |
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| 06:07.28 | GnomeTouchpadStu | diogenes_: perhaps. though, i've fired up a couple other debian based distros over the past month that worked fine. just tried kali earlier and there are no issues. though, i'm fairly certain kali and all the others i tried include a number of proprietary drivers. but, here's the thing. the system i'm using now is the "non-free" unofficial version from debian, which includes a ton of proprietary drivers. |
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| 06:09.44 | Jmabsd | umm, do I need to run update-initramfs for any reason?? |
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| 06:11.53 | diogenes_ | GnomeTouchpadStu, over the past years, all what gnome does, was reducing the features so, it wouldn't surprise me if one day, you won't have left click at all in gnome. |
| 06:13.03 | Jmabsd | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting mentions adding stuff to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf which Debian does not have, e.g. an "amdgpu" line. |
| 06:13.03 | diogenes_ | Jmabsd, when you add/remove modules. |
| 06:13.10 | GnomeTouchpadStu | diogenes_: right-click won't work either. have to use their dumb "tap" method. yet, with other debian distros, this isn't the issue. so i figure it must be a setting i'm missing somewhere. |
| 06:13.17 | Jmabsd | shall I add "amdgpu" to /etc/initramfs-conf/modules ? |
| 06:13.36 | Jmabsd | diogenes_: does "update-grub" imply update-initramfs? |
| 06:14.04 | diogenes_ | Jmabsd, no. |
| 06:14.16 | BazookaTooth | GnomeTouchpadStu: have you compared which module is being used for the pad? |
| 06:14.17 | Jmabsd | wow oh |
| 06:14.29 | Jmabsd | so modifications to /etc/initramfs-conf/modules don't affect.. oh. |
| 06:14.43 | GnomeTouchpadStu | BazookaTooth: no. i should probably try that. |
| 06:15.03 | Jmabsd | diogenes_,*: to ensure that my AMDGPU framebuffer code is loaded as early as possible in kernel, and that any other competing framebuffer logic would not interfere, what should I add to my initramfs modules or elsewhere?? |
| 06:15.05 | GnomeTouchpadStu | BazookaTooth: tahnks. |
| 06:15.17 | BazookaTooth | GnomeTouchpadStu: may explain why plugging in a mouse changes behavior |
| 06:17.47 | diogenes_ | Jmabsd, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting |
| 06:18.10 | diogenes_ | focus on early KMS. |
| 06:21.03 | GnomeTouchpadStu | bbl |
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| 06:35.58 | openbsdtai123 | Is there still a support of debian for older hardware, ancient like old amd generation, 386/DX, intel pentium 2 and 3 (mx),...? |
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| 06:37.22 | t123 | hi all - anyone able to help with ip routing? |
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| 06:43.31 | nvz | nope, we set the arc ship containing all the networking gurus off in the wrong direction when we colonized this planet |
| 06:43.43 | BazookaTooth | t123: ##networking and #netfilter if no one responds here |
| 06:43.59 | nvz | people usually won't respond to a question not asked |
| 06:44.04 | nvz | dpkg, ask? |
| 06:44.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:45.14 | openbsdtai123 | dpkg is indeed a good starting point. Version or info may help for success. |
| 06:45.14 | dpkg | openbsdtai123: You are person #5 to send an unparseable request |
| 06:45.35 | BazookaTooth | t123: and yes you should start by stating at least some of your problem |
| 06:46.21 | inerkick | Hi team my debian fonts are so thin and i don't know why I can't install ubuntu fonts or any better clean fonts. Kindly help. |
| 06:46.22 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.22 | dpkg | You are person #6 to send an unparseable request, openbsdtai123 |
| 06:47.00 | openbsdtai123 | inerkick: did you try mkdir ~/.fonts and populate it with many TTFs... I do this way. |
| 06:47.05 | nvz | inerkick: what resolution is your screen? |
| 06:47.25 | inerkick | i installed budgie DE |
| 06:47.38 | inerkick | but i can't find configuration which i can check |
| 06:47.40 | nvz | eh.. what? |
| 06:47.44 | openbsdtai123 | is it a ttf ? |
| 06:47.50 | openbsdtai123 | xrandr -l |
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| 06:49.04 | inerkick | https://ibb.co/pPjW3B1 that's how it looks |
| 06:49.07 | nvz | hmm.. budgie is in debian |
| 06:49.53 | inerkick | https://ibb.co/SccmTc5 |
| 06:50.05 | inerkick | I installed it |
| 06:51.41 | nvz | that doesn't seem to be a problem with the font itself, but with the rendering of it |
| 06:51.59 | openbsdtai123 | ok |
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| 06:53.13 | openbsdtai123 | looks to me like an hotline, first find out with questions what is the problem and a good description. |
| 06:55.26 | nvz | just finished installing budgie into the GNOME VM |
| 06:57.39 | BazookaTooth | nvz: that might also be different than a minimal install and adding budgie later. had a similar thing but it wasn't related to fonts |
| 06:58.22 | inerkick | yeah even i think it's the issue with rendering nvz |
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| 07:00.18 | openbsdtai123 | driver and resolution are usually making a lot there. "Xorg -configure" (not necessary here) gives sometimes good info. |
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| 07:02.34 | BazookaTooth | inerkick: also kinda bad manners to post irc screenshots |
| 07:02.53 | inerkick | i'm sorry, BazookaTooth |
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| 07:03.29 | openbsdtai123 | BazookaTooth: I tried last time "cat file.png | nc termbin.com 9999" it worked, but this is not right method. |
| 07:03.35 | BazookaTooth | it's a thing. just sayin'. couldn't care less |
| 07:04.13 | nvz | BazookaTooth: yeah that can't be related to fonts alone cause for the most part we're all using the same fonts.. we're not however all using budgie or their hardware..etc.. |
| 07:04.30 | BazookaTooth | yeah budgie is a little odd |
| 07:04.32 | nvz | but anyhow, ETOOTIRED.. must sleep |
| 07:05.00 | openbsdtai123 | what's the time there? |
| 07:05.11 | nvz | 2am |
| 07:05.45 | openbsdtai123 | very late, good rest - tomorrow little sport to keep healthy balance maybe ;) have good night! thank you very much for all.! |
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| 07:06.32 | nvz | I'm not canadian and its very cold lately.. so no sports :P we have #debian-offtopic btw for social type stuff and such |
| 07:07.03 | openbsdtai123 | I got new fitness weights. ... good for back training |
| 07:07.04 | BazookaTooth | tried using it for a replacement of elementary setups on some osx media guys machines. worked fine from minimal install but had compositing issues when xfce or gnome were installed first. anectdotal anyway |
| 07:07.17 | openbsdtai123 | "back of programmers hurts" |
| 07:08.09 | BazookaTooth | ack. think he ran off cuz of the irc screenshot comment. sigh |
| 07:08.22 | openbsdtai123 | BazookaTooth: do you have maybe a cat ... | pipe for png/jpg over net/browsers like pastebin, termbin...? |
| 07:08.59 | BazookaTooth | nope |
| 07:09.27 | BazookaTooth | text usually works fine so.. rarely need img |
| 07:09.29 | openbsdtai123 | I had one for postimage, so far, somewhere in antiquity. |
| 07:10.30 | openbsdtai123 | With "curl", there might be some scripts, but users newbies haven't curl installed. |
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| 07:16.14 | BazookaTooth | openbsdtai123: do you just highlight random people that are talking at the time you message the channel? |
| 07:16.21 | BazookaTooth | wtf |
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| 07:21.47 | Jmabsd | diogenes_: yeah but Debian doesn't have any mkinitcpio.conf file !! is /etc/mkinitfs.confthingie/modules the debian correspondent? |
| 07:22.00 | Jmabsd | i'll reinstall this system from scratch now, to add some kind of certainty about what's going on |
| 07:22.02 | Jmabsd | sec brb |
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| 07:22.59 | Jmabsd | diogenes_: back |
| 07:23.15 | openbsdtai123 | is there a channel debian for dev? |
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| 07:24.02 | nevivurn | Do you mean just the maintainers/DDs? |
| 07:24.08 | openbsdtai123 | BazookaTooth: hi I saw your msg. It is better because there are many posts in here. |
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| 07:24.34 | openbsdtai123 | maybe you are young.... I see better when colors (older gen, me). |
| 07:25.08 | diogenes_ | Jmabsd, try one of these live: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 07:25.21 | openbsdtai123 | general dev, yeah maintainer too |
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| 07:53.36 | unborn | hello, can someone point me how to run my.sh script after gnome log on? somehow I cannot figure this out. |
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| 07:55.27 | han-solo | a systemd service with `After=multi-user.target display-manager.service` ? |
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| 07:55.37 | maxrazer | unborn, You mean change to the directory and type "./my.sh". You set it to execute permissions and you wrote a script that began with #! /usr/bin/bash ? |
| 07:55.49 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.55 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.27 | han-solo | i think, the user is asking about a start up script on login # :) |
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| 07:57.15 | unborn | maxrazer: yes.. script is working etc.. I created file.desktop and placed into .config/autostart and I can see it then in gnome tweak tool under start up apps but it seems to me that it simply does not start |
| 07:58.26 | maxrazer | are you expecting it to open a terminal? How do you know it ran or did not run? |
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| 07:59.04 | unborn | maxrazer: because if i run it via cron or manually in terminal it does send me the email |
| 08:00.02 | unborn | - that script suppose to send me system info regards hdd of my mums laptop once she is boot it up.. she uses it sporadically. |
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| 08:00.19 | maxrazer | something to do with the file.desktop and .config/autostart. Maybe not meant for scripts too. |
| 08:01.17 | maxrazer | https://linuxtechlab.com/executing-commands-scripts-at-reboot/ |
| 08:01.42 | maxrazer | You want a script to run when you login? Reboot? |
| 08:02.56 | unborn | maxrazer: just every login (but not login into terminal session) to gnome desktop |
| 08:04.31 | unborn | maxrazer: this is how I wrote file.desktop https://paste.topfreelancer.co.uk/ff0084 |
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| 08:11.32 | unborn | maxrazer: I will go with cron this time.. |
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| 08:11.46 | maxrazer | unborn, maybe use .bash_profle only. |
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| 08:17.46 | Fudge | hi, ive just swapped my debian drive to an ssd by copying partitions in gparted, maybe i should have dd'd the entire drive. anyway now having trouble with grub. i have created an ext2 partition and marked it bootable and asked grub-install /dev/sda2 but i get errors |
| 08:17.52 | Fudge | grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible. |
| 08:18.05 | Fudge | what should I do good folks |
| 08:18.38 | unborn | maxrazer: I found the problem eh :) it was working in first place problem was inside of the script variable duh! |
| 08:19.00 | maxrazer | I don't understand. |
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| 08:22.19 | Fudge | oh and my fstab for /boot UUID="8856579a-ec53-4d3b-9e27-307cc561afc6" /boot ext2 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 08:25.28 | unborn | maxrazer: I moved passwords.txt file to / but forgot to change location in variable: logon=$(sed -n 3p ~/.scripts/password.txt) |
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| 08:29.08 | slimefoot | Fudge: on MSDOS disks, GRUB installs itself into a section on the disk that is called the "post-MBR gap", i.e. a section that is not used for anything else (not part of any partition), and GRUB exploits that |
| 08:29.33 | slimefoot | Fudge: on GPT disks, that "post-MBR gap" does not exist, therefore it requires a separate "BIOS boot partition" |
| 08:30.17 | slimefoot | so if you've got a GPT disk there, and you haven't created any BIOS boot partition, GRUB can't install itself anywhere, and will bail out |
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| 08:30.59 | slimefoot | (although, I'm not very familiar with GRUB - maybe it has alternative mechanisms... I'm merely explaining the warning message there) |
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| 09:04.01 | BazookaTooth | slimefoot: are you referrinf to esp? |
| 09:04.14 | slimefoot | no, the ESP is a separate partition |
| 09:04.20 | BazookaTooth | cuz this is a weird to explain it |
| 09:04.25 | BazookaTooth | k, just checking |
| 09:04.37 | slimefoot | the ESP is required for booting from EFI |
| 09:04.53 | slimefoot | ah wait - I believe the BIOS boot partition is not required if you are booting from EFI |
| 09:04.59 | Fudge | slimefoot: maybe i should have made it msdos partion table |
| 09:05.01 | BazookaTooth | if this is intended to be a hybrid table then been there and done that |
| 09:05.31 | BazookaTooth | osx86.org and search hybrid table gpt sync |
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| 09:06.44 | slimefoot | Fudge: is that a BIOS/legacy system or an EFI system? |
| 09:07.10 | BazookaTooth | or possibly efi with csm as usual |
| 09:08.22 | BazookaTooth | don't do hybrid tables btw |
| 09:09.03 | slimefoot | I'd just stick to GPT anyway - you don't get that weird 4 partitions limitation |
| 09:09.12 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
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| 09:11.19 | Haohmaru | how do i check what's locking my screen after like 10 minutes? it's not the obvious one (xscreensaver) |
| 09:11.36 | BazookaTooth | light-locker? |
| 09:11.39 | JustASlacker | checked power settings? |
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| 09:12.04 | JustASlacker | depends a lot on the desktop |
| 09:12.23 | Haohmaru | LXDE |
| 09:13.29 | Haohmaru | previously, in debian 9 and such, it was always the obvious settings that were taking effect (xscreensaver from the preferences menu) |
| 09:13.50 | Haohmaru | but it's disabled and suddenly something locks my screen after 10 minutes |
| 09:13.55 | JustASlacker | its under power settings for me in xfce... |
| 09:14.58 | Haohmaru | okay, i have mixed some components from xfce4 |
| 09:15.20 | Haohmaru | seems like i got xfsettingsd and xfce4-power-manager running |
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| 09:15.47 | BazookaTooth | use xfce-power-manager and nuke the other one |
| 09:16.18 | Fudge | slimefoot: hp z600 bios/legacy |
| 09:16.31 | Fudge | im going to dd the drive and work from there mate |
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| 09:18.46 | slimefoot | then you might need that additional BIOS boot partition (or use MSDOS, but that's a bit backwards) |
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| 09:23.58 | crivrc | Hi, I am trying to get a swap partition activated on boot up using systemd, I have createda file /etc/systemd/dev-sda2.swap with the contents https://pastebin.com/q8q763KW but it does not work automatically, only If I type systemctl start dev-sda2.swap any ideas? |
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| 09:31.52 | Haohmaru | i think i fixed it now, and suspend works fine again |
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| 09:34.40 | vlt | Hello. I'm using mpv and libavfilter(?) via "--vf perspective=..." to playback videos and specify (and manipulate in realtime) the coordinates of the four corners. This takes a lot of CPU power. Is there a way to do this later in the chain by somehow using 3D video hardware stuff? Where can I find out more? |
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| 09:38.49 | Fudge | slimefoot: true |
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| 09:45.06 | BazookaTooth | Haohmaru: so.. what worked? |
| 09:46.01 | Haohmaru | i had many components from xfce4 added to the lxde/openbox |
| 09:46.05 | Haohmaru | removed them |
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| 09:54.26 | f-a | How do I list non-free/contrib software installed in this machine? |
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| 09:55.00 | Haohmaru | you can see it from synaptic for one |
| 09:55.16 | Haohmaru | hm, i think |
| 09:55.38 | f-a | mhhh I don't have installed (I use apt-get and friends), but I will if it is needed |
| 09:56.00 | Haohmaru | no, actually, i'm not sure |
| 09:56.12 | Haohmaru | there's definately some command for that but i don't know |
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| 09:57.30 | Haohmaru | ah, you can in synaptic: click on origin, click whichever you wanna see, then in the list sort by "installed version" and you'll see em there |
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| 10:03.24 | crivrc | f-a install rms package |
| 10:03.37 | crivrc | vrms i meant |
| 10:03.44 | crivrc | virtual Richard Stallman |
| 10:03.56 | Haohmaru | o_O |
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| 10:05.16 | f-a | thanks crivrc |
| 10:05.24 | f-a | that was really what I wanted |
| 10:06.40 | Haohmaru | it even exists O_o |
| 10:06.49 | Haohmaru | bind -> mlown |
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| 10:07.17 | crivrc | you're welcome f-a |
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| 10:11.55 | zq | anyone recall how /etc/hostname is created? it's not part of any particular package. |
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| 10:19.26 | ratrace | zq: with a text editor |
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| 10:25.27 | JustASlacker | its probably managed by systemd these days |
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| 10:35.30 | rom1v | hi |
| 10:35.39 | rom1v | currently on sid, there is a problem with uno-libs-private |
| 10:35.44 | rom1v | "ure : Depends: uno-libs-private (= 6.4.0~rc1-2) but 6.4.0~rc1-5 is to be installed" |
| 10:36.14 | openbsdtai123 | Devuan and Debian stable amd64 do not update well the Grub during install (regular installer) :( |
| 10:36.30 | rom1v | it breaks a lot of things transitively (including libc6-dev) |
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| 10:39.17 | rom1v | (not sure it breaks libc6-dev, maybe it's just apt requesting to fix the problem first) |
| 10:39.38 | SynrG | i've broken a soft raid mirror into separate drives to resize the filesystem on one drive & rebooted but am now on the wrong drive (the one i didn't resize). can i safely fix the resized drive so i can boot back to it? |
| 10:41.48 | SynrG | afaik, the filesystem there should be intact. after the resize operation i had booted back to it and df showed the correct size (50G) but i had forgotten to rewrite the partition table. after a couple of mis-steps this morning, i believe the partition table is correct, but rebooting just lands me back on the 2nd (not resized) drive. :( |
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| 10:45.38 | ratrace | SynrG: yes, you can install the bootloader on it, providing you have the correct partitions already set up |
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| 10:46.57 | ratrace | SynrG: ideally you should've set it up already, mirrored /boot (or part of mirrored rootfs) so in case one drive fails, you can boot from the md, thus from the other drive |
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| 10:48.21 | openbsdtai123 | Is there a method to install the grub of stable debian, during installation process, in order to get bootable MBR/GPT? |
| 10:48.33 | SynrG | ratrace: /boot is included in the mirrored fs |
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| 10:49.31 | SynrG | ratrace: the bootloader should've already been there. did that need to be rewritten after the partition table change? is that what's confusing it? |
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| 10:51.52 | ratrace | SynrG: I don't know what you did to change it. What exactly are you trying to do? Unless you zero the superblock, drives will continue to be part of the mirror and the bootloader is most likely set to look up the md device, not individual drives. |
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| 10:52.34 | jaggz | is there a way I can see how popular a package is? |
| 10:52.46 | SynrG | ratrace: right. raid is intact on both drives. so can i zero the superblock of /dev/sda1 and then just reboot back to it? |
| 10:53.01 | SynrG | i mean, i'd have to mount it and fix up fstab i guess |
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| 10:53.16 | SynrG | but once that's done, i'm ok to reboot? |
| 10:53.28 | ratrace | SynrG: without nuking the data/partitions/other-metadata on the drive? I don't know. |
| 10:53.34 | SynrG | hmm |
| 10:53.40 | ratrace | but _what_ are you trying to do? |
| 10:53.44 | ratrace | what's the end goal? |
| 10:54.04 | jaggz | ( like how many downloads the package has from official repositories) |
| 10:54.07 | SynrG | to end up booted from the resized partition on drive 1 instead of the not-resized partition on drive 2 |
| 10:54.15 | SynrG | the latter is my current situation. |
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| 10:54.50 | ratrace | SynrG: so you want to completely break up the RAID, or you just wanna resize partitions on both and are doing one by one drive? |
| 10:54.54 | SynrG | each partition (sda1 is drive 1, and sdb1 is on drive 2) has the same raid signature but the 2 are now disconnected from each other because i kicked the 2nd one out. |
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| 10:55.13 | jaggz | first link is broken https://wiki.debian.org/Statistics (to metrics) |
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| 10:56.05 | SynrG | ratrace: i wanted to keep the 2nd un-resized one intact as a backup in case things went sideways. the idea was to resize only one of them in preparation for a drive image backup to migrate to a VM |
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| 10:56.48 | SynrG | ratrace: so i have one resized but can't boot back to it. until i do, the datto backup from that drive won't be taken and my network support can't use that to bring up the VM. |
| 10:57.06 | SynrG | ratrace: they are saying "the image is still the old size" and asked me to fix it. |
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| 10:59.13 | ratrace | SynrG: so you don't have any other backups? |
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| 10:59.43 | SynrG | ratrace: i have the datto image from before i started messing around. but i don't want to redo a four-hour shrink of the partition. |
| 11:00.28 | SynrG | that was a huge offline operation that put the server offline for the whole time. i got away with it because i had the advantage of people being on vacation. i no longer have that advantage going forward. |
| 11:00.35 | ratrace | well if you ahve backups, then you can just zero the superblock, repartition without raid, create filesystems, and copy data off of the old raid |
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| 11:01.20 | SynrG | worst case scenario, yes. but ideally i'd want to keep the resized FS intact. |
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| 11:02.09 | ratrace | SynrG: well then your only option is to manually modify grub.cfg and have it boot off the individual, resized drive, not from the MD |
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| 11:02.47 | ratrace | you _might_ be able to do that without manual intervention to grub.cfg, but it will require chroots and mounting partitions directly without the md layer |
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| 11:05.36 | SynrG | ratrace: is there a simpler solution, perhaps? i don't understand why the bios selects the current drive on reboot, or how to influence that. currently i'm remote to the location & don't know when people will be in. it's ideal that i continue to recover remotely because people haven't started their workdays yet ... |
| 11:06.07 | SynrG | so far as i *know* there is a functioning raid on drive 1 with the correct partition table & the correct filesystem size on it ... |
| 11:06.29 | SynrG | the only anomaly that i can see is that mdadm --detail for that partition shows the old size. :/ |
| 11:07.45 | ratrace | SynrG: bios selects what you tell it to use as bootable device. then, the bootloader is run from it (at this point, doesn' tmatter from which disk). then the grub bootloader finds /boot (again doesn't matter from which), BUT: that /boot must contain grub.cfg that points the CORRECT rootfs you want to pivot to. |
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| 11:08.51 | ratrace | since it seems you CAN boot, and the bootloader is look up the MD to pivot to, you just need to edit grub.cfg and set the other disks rootfs UUID to pivot to |
| 11:09.05 | ratrace | in theory, I'm not 100% sure I understand what exactly you did to the other drive |
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| 11:10.10 | SynrG | 1) kicked out partition on drive 2 2) resized partition on drive 1 offline 3) rebooted (without altering partition table!) to drive 1 and seemed successful. |
| 11:10.19 | SynrG | i.e. df showed a 50G filesystem size. |
| 11:10.47 | SynrG | today i resumed operations at "fix the partition table". after that, i rebooted remotely but that landed me on the 2nd drive not the 1st. |
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| 11:11.19 | SynrG | is the BIOS just checking each device in order for a valid boot signature and finding the 1st drive is no longer valid, then choosing the 2nd? |
| 11:11.29 | SynrG | the rootfs is by UUID so that will be identical on each copy |
| 11:12.35 | ratrace | SynrG: yes. BIOS only needs the executable loader in the bios_grub type partition for GPT partition scheme, or loads up sector zero for MBR partition scheme |
| 11:12.56 | SynrG | k |
| 11:13.02 | ratrace | when you say "landed", you mean grub pivoted to the rootfs, which is depending on what is written in the grub.cfg |
| 11:13.14 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.27 | ratrace | that root=UUID=... is it, yes. |
| 11:14.31 | SynrG | each copy would have the mdadm stuff in it, so each one would be able to assemble a RAID (each having the same RAID signature). so now i'm on drive 2, degraded, and with only that drive in the RAID. |
| 11:15.04 | SynrG | afaik drive 1 is in the same state, except with the correctly resized partition on it. mdadm --detail shows the old size, though. |
| 11:15.04 | ratrace | but also look up the "search" line -- as that tells the bootloader where to search for /boot . It is entirely possible you used the correct disk's bootloader, but it went and used /boot from the wrong device, since you didn't zero the superblock, I'm guessing the search line is looking up the MD |
| 11:16.02 | ratrace | you said that you had /boot part of the rootfs, and you kicked one member of the raid out, so that member's /boot is unmodified, still thinks it should load up the md |
| 11:16.30 | SynrG | which side of the if statement for search? |
| 11:16.33 | ratrace | see this is already very convoluted and a waste of time. you'd probably be done by now if you nuked the disk, zeroed superblock, partitioned, created the filesystems, and just copied data over :) |
| 11:16.43 | SynrG | i know, i know. :) |
| 11:17.02 | ratrace | SynrG: both, to be sure. |
| 11:17.03 | SynrG | just hard to decide on a minimal waste of other people's time action that i could do ... |
| 11:17.14 | ratrace | that UUID in it is the key, that's the UUID of /boot |
| 11:17.22 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.26 | ratrace | sorry, of the filesystem that contains /boot |
| 11:17.39 | SynrG | yeah. it's the same as root |
| 11:17.55 | SynrG | and the other side of the if is: |
| 11:17.58 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.12 | ratrace | and b7d0 is the rootfs you WANT to boot into? |
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| 11:18.47 | SynrG | yeah. that's the UUID of the filesystem on the RAID ... i guess? sec ... |
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| 11:20.27 | crivrc | anyone activates swap using systemd? |
| 11:20.38 | crivrc | I mean a systemd swap unit |
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| 11:21.41 | SynrG | ratrace: argh. i'm confused. i did blkid but was expecting that signature in there somewhere: http://paste.debian.net/1123995/ |
| 11:23.04 | SynrG | ratrace: dmesg has: |
| 11:23.19 | SynrG | [ 0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 root=UUID=684abcf6-24f4-49a8-9308-83e073ce018d ro quiet |
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| 11:24.06 | ratrace | crivrc: I use it via crypttab, which is used by systemd, if that's what you mean |
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| 11:25.02 | ratrace | SynrG: right, 684a is the md. means it used the _other_ disks /boot which contains the grub.cfg with wrong rootfs UUID |
| 11:25.19 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 11:25.37 | SynrG | so this may have been wrong for years so far as i can see ... the raid was created back in 2011 |
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| 11:26.04 | crivrc | ratrace: what I mean is if anyone just creates by hand a .swap unit file to activate swap? I do that following systemd.swap(5) but swap never gets activated automatically on boot, it does If I do it manually with systemctl start |
| 11:26.38 | ratrace | crivrc: did you `systemctl enable ...` it? |
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| 11:27.10 | SynrG | ratrace: if i knew how, i'd assemble the other drive as a 2nd raid (md1) and mount it, then fix up the pointer on that. or alternatively, just destroy its superblock and fix up the pointer. |
| 11:27.34 | SynrG | ratrace: keeping the raid intact seems safer? |
| 11:28.18 | crivrc | ratrace: when I do I get https://pastebin.com/28sVfgHr however systemctl status shows: vendor preset: enabled. |
| 11:28.22 | ratrace | I'm afraid we maybe having an XY problem here. From what I understood, you wanted to break up the RAID and boot into one of the disks which has resized rootfs partition? |
| 11:28.55 | ratrace | crivrc: can you use some other pastebin please? |
| 11:29.27 | crivrc | ratrace any recommendation please? |
| 11:29.40 | ratrace | crivrc: paste.debian.net |
| 11:29.45 | crivrc | of course, thanks |
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| 11:30.14 | crivrc | https://paste.debian.net/1123997/ |
| 11:30.45 | SynrG | ratrace: the raid is broken up. that's a done deal. by 'assemble a raid' i only mean a raid of one drive. maybe that's a stupid idea tho ... |
| 11:31.23 | SynrG | ratrace: the goal is still the same: boot from a *single* drive. i may have just misunderstood what i can and cannot do with the broken-up raid that now exists on each of the 2 drives. |
| 11:32.57 | ratrace | SynrG: well I explained the boot process. So by "boot from a single drive" you actually mean boot into the rootfs of that single drive, which requires grub.cfg to point at it, and bios using the bootloader that finds grub.cfg with that info. |
| 11:33.16 | ratrace | Meaning... if you have multiple grub.cfg files, BOTH need to point at the same, so whichever one is used, they are the same. |
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| 11:33.59 | ratrace | now, how to know which one is used? I'm not sure how grub selects which /boot to use from the stage1 bootloader, so to be 100%, just have both /boot directories with the same grub.cfg, which points to root=UUID=<correct one> |
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| 11:35.10 | SynrG | ratrace: that is the current situation, so far as I know, because /boot exists on the rootfs of each partition in the RAID mirror (now broken apart) |
| 11:35.29 | SynrG | but it clearly has the wrong rootfs pointer in it (an unknown UUID) |
| 11:36.05 | SynrG | and i don't know how to mount the filesystem on drive 1. i wonder if that's just a matter of skipping the 4K superblock |
| 11:36.18 | ratrace | SynrG: before the breakup, it's assumed it had the rootfs MD device pointed at, which is not what you want |
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| 11:36.47 | ratrace | I think it's 64k? But, did you try to mount it directly? |
| 11:37.00 | SynrG | i tried just mounting it directly |
| 11:37.45 | SynrG | it told me the filesystem type was unknown: |
| 11:38.02 | SynrG | mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' |
| 11:39.19 | ratrace | SynrG: you can temporarily mdadm --assemble --scan and it should create an md out of it, which you can then mount |
| 11:39.20 | SynrG | telling the type makes it unhappy: |
| 11:39.23 | SynrG | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 11:39.39 | SynrG | which makes sense because the md superblock is in the way |
| 11:40.40 | SynrG | ratrace: so i can do that even though i currently have another raid running on the other drive with the same signature? |
| 11:40.59 | openbsdtai123 | Grub install tells: grub-install: error: fails to get canonical path of overlay... |
| 11:41.02 | SynrG | i'm afraid that would reassemble a raid from both drives which would be disastrous |
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| 11:42.32 | SynrG | so what i *think* i need to do is 1) zero the superblock on sda1, 2) move forward the start of the partition in the partition table for sda to skip the superblock 3) mount that partition 4) fix up grub.cfg & install 5) reboot (and pray) |
| 11:43.15 | ratrace | SynrG: or..... zero superblock, new parition, new fs, copy data :) |
| 11:43.32 | SynrG | oh. |
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| 11:43.38 | SynrG | new partition on the same drive? |
| 11:43.38 | ratrace | how much data for resync are we talking about there anyway? |
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| 11:43.51 | SynrG | well, 32G |
| 11:44.03 | ratrace | SynrG: the drive you wanted to take out of the RAID and resize, and boot into? That the onE? |
| 11:44.41 | ratrace | That physical disc, zero the superblock, craete a new partition scheme on it (with correct size), create filesystems, and copy data off of the old RAID member |
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| 11:45.36 | ratrace | chroot into the new fs, modify configs (fstab, UUIDs, /etc/default/grub if necessary) and run update-initramfs -u and update-grub, oh yeah, and install-grub to set up the bootloader itself, on that drive. so don't forget a bios_grub type partition if you use GPT |
| 11:45.38 | SynrG | k. the old RAID member is the one i'm currently booted to. it's the Dec. 30 version of the system. |
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| 11:46.26 | SynrG | yeah, i guess you're right. so consider drive 1 a loss & just go forward from here. but my one niggling worry is that i may have done a git push since that date ... |
| 11:46.38 | SynrG | i can always fix that up afterwards from the clone if that was the case. |
| 11:46.40 | ratrace | and then bios must be told to use that disk to load up the bootloder, OR ELSE you'll just load the old one which, as far as I understand, thinks it needs to pivot into the raid rootfs |
| 11:46.54 | SynrG | (the RAID hosts our git repos, among other things) |
| 11:47.22 | ratrace | SynrG: so? the beauty of git is that's distributed, you just re-push again :) |
| 11:47.26 | SynrG | yah |
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| 11:47.41 | SynrG | plus if anyone made wiki edits, those will be rolled back. ugh |
| 11:47.58 | ratrace | SynrG: and you can't mount that rootfs now, to make a backup copy? |
| 11:48.28 | SynrG | what if i created a new partition on drive 1 in its now unused space, try to zero its superblock, then try moving forward the start and recover that? |
| 11:48.40 | SynrG | that's a non-destructive operation on the original partition. |
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| 11:49.10 | SynrG | but that's maybe more effort than is warranted to save losing a wiki edit or two |
| 11:49.17 | ratrace | you can only zero the existing mdadm superblocks |
| 11:49.31 | SynrG | oh, not a clone of the partition? |
| 11:49.32 | ratrace | that's the whole point, as mdadm does a scan to auto-assemble. |
| 11:49.50 | ratrace | oh yes, yes, a clone too. it must be a proper mdadm superblock, regardless if it's a copy or original |
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| 11:50.34 | SynrG | so i could create this identically sized partition (50G), clone it, do my experiments on it, and if all else fails, wipe it all and restore from the remaining drive with Dec 30's data |
| 11:51.25 | SynrG | or, meh ... just tell our users "i'm sorry, if you made wiki edits since Dec. 30 you'll have to do them again" |
| 11:51.30 | SynrG | hmm |
| 11:51.39 | SynrG | i'm leaning in this direction :) |
| 11:52.08 | SynrG | (during holidays, this is likely exactly *one* user, if any) |
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| 11:52.48 | SynrG | ratrace: so back to your proposed steps of 8 minutes ago: |
| 11:52.57 | SynrG | 07:44 < ratrace> That physical disc, zero the superblock, |
| 11:53.06 | SynrG | ^ why this step? |
| 11:53.25 | ratrace | so you get rid of mdadm metadata completely |
| 11:53.34 | ratrace | you're preparing the drive for some migration into VM? |
| 11:53.39 | SynrG | the RAID is made of two partitions, sda1 and sdb1 ... |
| 11:53.45 | SynrG | yeah |
| 11:54.10 | SynrG | the goal is a 50G partition with the whole system in it, then boot to it, then let datto do it's thing ... |
| 11:54.19 | ratrace | so wait, what was the actual point of this, just to resize rootfs so it could be made into a block copy for the VM? |
| 11:54.24 | SynrG | then ask our net admins to use the backup to bring it into a VM |
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| 11:54.39 | SynrG | pretty much. but i am very limited in what i can ask our net admins to do. |
| 11:55.01 | ratrace | ideally, you would've done this without breaking up the raid, but now that you did... and there's different data on the disks..... things are tricker. |
| 11:55.05 | ratrace | *trickier |
| 11:55.08 | SynrG | hence all this extra work which, if i had someone of comparable skills in that dept, i'd have done in an easier way |
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| 11:56.11 | SynrG | yeah, the "not breaking up the raid" part was because i didn't want to require a net admin on site to restore from datto backup if things went sideways with the resize |
| 11:56.29 | ratrace | SynrG: since you can't put different sized members into a mirror, at this point, if I were you I'd just do that: wipe, zero, repartition, copy data from backups or from the old drive, boot into this new drive and do the VM migration |
| 11:57.13 | ratrace | ideally you want mdadm metadata out of the way so mdadm doesn't screw something up and corrupts things, which it tends to do when fiddled like this. |
| 11:57.23 | SynrG | ya. |
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| 11:57.49 | openbsdtai123 | I boot my new installation disk, and grub tells: "error file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod" not found, but /boot is there. What to do ? |
| 11:58.15 | SynrG | so my one kick at the can that would possibly shorten the process is wiping the superblock and moving the partition table pointer forward ... it's worth trying? because if that fails i'm falling back and punting with a clean drive & copy all the old data anyway |
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| 11:58.30 | SynrG | i just need to know the superblock length |
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| 12:00.59 | crivrc | I figured how to automatically activate swap partition by adding an [Install] WantedBy=local-fs.target entry to the swap unit file, it works, but it is strange that I need to do something like that as for example mount points do not need it. |
| 12:01.24 | SynrG | ratrace: just /proc/partitions for that? http://paste.debian.net/1124000/ |
| 12:02.02 | SynrG | ah, no ... that's size only, not offset |
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| 12:02.57 | SynrG | ratrace: sorry to tie up your time. yeah, time to stop dicking around and just wipe and move forward. |
| 12:03.02 | SynrG | thanks |
| 12:04.20 | ratrace | crivrc: there's also swap.target which I think is more appropriate |
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| 12:04.44 | ratrace | SynrG: i'm not sure, sorry, never had to skip mdadm superblocks before, so I don't have that experience (of what could go wrong) |
| 12:05.11 | ratrace | SynrG: maybe this helps: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_superblock_formats |
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| 12:06.05 | crivrc | thanks ratrace, that's true I will change it |
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| 12:06.17 | ratrace | SynrG: oh also.... mdadm -E /dev/sda1 will tell you offsets |
| 12:06.28 | ratrace | or whichever /dev/.... you wanted to skip |
| 12:07.34 | ratrace | SynrG: and now thinking about it.... maybe you can use losetup to mount by skipping offsets, which doesn't require repartitioning or potential data loss |
| 12:08.18 | ratrace | SynrG: oh yeah, that's it, losetup has --offset. I'd try that. |
| 12:09.05 | SynrG | hmm |
| 12:09.42 | SynrG | nah. still going forward with the wipe, i think |
| 12:09.56 | SynrG | but thanks again. |
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| 12:12.04 | SynrG | ratrace: in 2011 the default fstype was ext3. this gives me an opportunity to at least bring that up to ext4 before the migration. |
| 12:13.02 | ratrace | good idea |
| 12:13.54 | ratrace | in the future, all you needed was resize the ext itself, the partitions (and thus md members) can remain bigger, no problem. |
| 12:14.10 | ratrace | (and since that's rootfs, you'd need to do it from a rescue env) |
| 12:14.33 | SynrG | i very likely will need help when it comes to the grub stuff because it has been 2 or 3 years since i've done anything like this and i no longer remember. but it should just be a matter of asking grub to figure out the UUID & fix it up (i think there's a tool that will do that separately) |
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| 12:15.19 | SynrG | well, the "remain bigger" was buggering up datto |
| 12:15.27 | SynrG | it still wanted to create a vhd with size 500G |
| 12:15.31 | ratrace | SynrG: oh I see |
| 12:15.51 | SynrG | since it's strictly a block-level thing |
| 12:15.54 | ratrace | ya |
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| 12:21.09 | SynrG | hmm, grub-mkdevicemap i think? |
| 12:22.30 | SynrG | oh, the physical devices remain the same, so that's ok. |
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| 12:32.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg says you can install ppc64 on a ps3, but i know nothing |
| 12:32.29 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:32.35 | jetscreamer | !ps3 |
| 12:32.36 | dpkg | The PlayStation 3 is a video game console, featuring a Blu-ray drive and storage capacities of up to 250GB. It utilizes the cell processor, based on ppc64 with eight vector processing units. You may easily try and/or install Debian with <debootstrap>, installing Linux is disabled on the PS3 slim (PS3 CECH-2000). http://wiki.debian.org/PS3 #debian-ps3 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:32.48 | Akuw | what means Depends: libzmq1 but it is not installable? |
| 12:33.14 | jetscreamer | something depends on libzmq1, but it cannot be installed for some reason |
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| 12:34.43 | Akuw | ok, that reason can be it can not be resolved right? |
| 12:37.21 | jetscreamer | if you mean cannot find it so it can be downloaded (and installed), by resolved, yeah. |
| 12:37.51 | jetscreamer | but to resolve the problem, install libzmq1 (somehow) |
| 12:38.07 | Habbie | ,v libzmq1 |
| 12:38.08 | judd | Package: libzmq1 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0+dfsg-6 |
| 12:38.30 | Habbie | nothing in debian buster depends on libzmq1 |
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| 12:39.41 | jetscreamer | i never got it straight if backport meant from like sid, or like from (previous_version). never needed to know. |
| 12:39.44 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:39.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 12:40.31 | jetscreamer | dirty hack: d/l the pkg from pdo and dpkg -i |
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| 12:40.58 | jetscreamer | see also dist-upgrade |
| 12:40.58 | Habbie | no |
| 12:41.00 | Habbie | we don't do that here |
| 12:41.05 | Habbie | !frankendebian |
| 12:41.05 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 12:41.13 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:41.25 | jetscreamer | i added dirty! |
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| 12:43.18 | jetscreamer | !comfort jetscreamer's frankendebian |
| 12:43.19 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer's frankendebian. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:43.37 | jetscreamer | but, i don't ask for help with it |
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| 13:31.53 | afx_ | Hello everyone! Any password manager you would recommend? |
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| 13:43.54 | MyAsd | hola |
| 13:44.03 | MyAsd | 12hola |
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| 13:44.47 | joepublic | ¿doce hola? |
| 13:45.16 | dvs | k? |
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| 13:45.35 | joepublic | just curious why the "12" with the "hola" |
| 13:48.25 | boeg | Hi, I'm running debian 10.2 and everything works, but the display is showing too big - it's hidpi, i think it's called. It's a macbook pro with retina.I'm running the gnome nonfree version of debian and in display settings it was already set to "scale 200%". I tried 100% but it's way too small. I think 150% would be good, but it's not a possibility to choose. Any ideas how to make the display show a bit smaller? |
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| 13:50.54 | Logg | xrandr will do it, but your desktop environment might have a nice gui abstraction over xrandr. |
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| 13:54.21 | boeg | Logg: any idea where to look? |
| 13:54.31 | boeg | i am not really familiar with xrandr |
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| 13:56.50 | afx_ | boeg: try kde ? |
| 13:57.32 | Logg | well, you said your gnome settings don't have 150%, so, you can either try to find some other gui to install (possibly even change entire desktop environment), but xrandr is a command line tool & you can say e.g. `xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --mode 3840x2160 --primary --dpi 96` |
| 13:57.36 | boeg | afx_: instead of gnome? |
| 13:57.58 | Logg | I think the dpi setting in that string affects the size of windows/text |
| 13:57.59 | afx_ | yeap |
| 13:58.10 | boeg | Logg: ok, thanks, ill try |
| 13:58.55 | Logg | boeg, run "xrandr" by itself to get a list of monitor names & their supported resolutions. There's a "scale" flag as well, maybe that will do it. Remember to read the man pages :-) `man xrandr` |
| 13:59.32 | boeg | Logg: I actually want to use xmonad but thought that how the display was rendered with regard to size wasn't something the desktop environment decided other than setting some settings for something deeper so thought I would get it to work in gnome and then try and set up xmonad |
| 13:59.43 | boeg | Logg: thanks |
| 13:59.59 | boeg | afx_: If nothing else works, I might try that |
| 14:00.00 | Logg | yup, it's just a gui. gl. |
| 14:00.26 | greycat | I'm not the only one getting "E: Release file for http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 5h 29min 33s)." right? |
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| 14:01.35 | Logg | my `apt update` seems normal greycat. maybe your clock drifted. |
| 14:01.36 | dvs | greycat, I'm always getting a checksum mismatch for buster-backports file |
| 14:02.02 | Habbie | Logg, or the mirror they're using drifted |
| 14:02.08 | Habbie | 'deb.debian.org' is fine for me |
| 14:02.19 | Logg | I'm using the same mirror in this case |
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| 14:04.33 | greycat | apt-get REALLY NEEDS to say what host it got the erroneous thing from... |
| 14:05.39 | greycat | I did a "wget -S http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-updates/InRelease" which is the only information I've got, and inside that InRelease file, it says "Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 08:25:05 UTC" and "Valid-Until: Thu, 09 Jan 2020 08:25:05 UTC" but I have no idea if I got it from the SAME ftp.us.debian.org that apt-get used |
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| 14:08.20 | Logg | right |
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| 14:08.30 | boeg | Logg: any idea what is wrong when nothing happens when I run a xrandr command? I'm trying xrandr --output XWAYLAND0 --scale 0.75x0.75 and nothing happens - not any output in the shell and nothing visually changes |
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| 14:09.08 | boeg | (i've tried other scale arguments too) |
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| 14:09.13 | Logg | boeg, I'm not sure that xrandr works on Wayland. |
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| 14:09.46 | Habbie | i am sure xrandr does not work on Wayland |
| 14:09.53 | boeg | hmm okay |
| 14:10.07 | boeg | I haven't chosen to run wayland so I guess debian chose it for me |
| 14:10.11 | Logg | well, maybe "XWAYLAND0" isn't the correct monitor name. |
| 14:10.18 | boeg | it's the only one |
| 14:10.24 | boeg | the output from "xrandr" is: |
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| 14:11.05 | boeg | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WZTErFom/ |
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| 14:14.03 | boeg | hmm seems i'm running wayland |
| 14:14.18 | Logg | I mean, it looks like xrandr doesn't work on wayland to me, like Habbie said. the equivalent of xrandr for wayland is "~/.config/monitors.xml" according to $SEARCH_ENGINE |
| 14:15.07 | Logg | xmonad probably also requires X. So, you should probably install X. |
| 14:15.56 | Habbie | correct |
| 14:15.58 | Habbie | although there is https://github.com/waymonad/waymonad |
| 14:16.07 | Habbie | which is not in debian |
| 14:16.10 | boeg | yeah, `loginctl show-session $(awk '/tty/ {print $1}' <(loginctl)) -p Type` outputs "type=wayland" so for some reason i'm on wayland |
| 14:16.27 | boeg | I didn't know I was on wayland |
| 14:16.29 | Habbie | my debian buster also came with wayland by default |
| 14:16.35 | boeg | so yeah, maybe I should switch to xorg |
| 14:16.53 | greycat | If you install buster with GNOME, it includes Wayland. |
| 14:17.04 | boeg | greycat: thats what I did |
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| 14:17.54 | boeg | but I think i'm gonna start with seeing if I can get wayland to scale my display |
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| 14:20.22 | not_a_thinclient | Hi! What's a good window manager and DE which will run on a thin client that has less than 128MB of RAM? |
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| 14:20.44 | not_a_thinclient | It's a Dell Wyse S10 (32MB flash-based storage). |
| 14:20.54 | Logg | lxde is the lightest desktop environment. |
| 14:21.14 | not_a_thinclient | I'm not sure Xorg would be able to run on it since its CPU is clocked at 366mhz. |
| 14:21.27 | Logg | probably not very well, no. |
| 14:21.36 | greycat | X used to run on machines that were a LOT slower than that. |
| 14:21.57 | not_a_thinclient | I'm going to try it out with LTSP (Linux Terminal Server). |
| 14:22.04 | greycat | the 32 MB of RAM (?) is a much more serious limitation, with today's applications |
| 14:22.08 | not_a_thinclient | I'll be PXE booting it. |
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| 14:22.20 | not_a_thinclient | I wonder if Quake 3 Arena would even run; hmm... testing time! |
| 14:22.46 | not_a_thinclient | I could probably upgrade the RAM if I desoldered the RAM chips. |
| 14:22.53 | Logg | maybe what you actually want to do is connect to the X server remotely |
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| 14:23.03 | Logg | like a true thin client |
| 14:23.09 | not_a_thinclient | I have a hot air station on the way from eBay (it's a Yihua). Interesting. How would I do that though? |
| 14:23.41 | Logg | I'm not sure, but there's probably a guide somewhere. |
| 14:23.53 | not_a_thinclient | I was going to use Windows Server 2016 (free for students), but my poor Core 2 Duo system doesn't have SLAT. I'll check. |
| 14:24.12 | not_a_thinclient | What about USB and audio though? Tunnel it over the LAN? |
| 14:24.18 | Stratmanuk | Any Tuxguitar users on here? I've just installed it on Debian Buster and it plays fine but the pointer that should follow the music doesn't move. |
| 14:24.25 | greycat | The basic idea is that a more capable machine runs a display manager with XDMCP, and then you somehow point the thin clients at that machine, and the thin clients just run the X server, nothing else. All the clients (applications) run on the XDMCP host. |
| 14:24.30 | greycat | I don't know the details though. |
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| 14:24.49 | not_a_thinclient | I'll check it out online first. |
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| 14:25.28 | not_a_thinclient | Oh, it's not encrypted, so I'll pass on that. I'll try openbox with Xorg. Window Maker might work. |
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| 14:25.40 | Logg | you could push it through an ssh tunnel, not_a_thinclient |
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| 14:28.54 | not_a_thinclient | If it fails, then I'll have to compile a system with buildroot. Wyse's ThinOS supports RDP, but it's very old. I guess spending $21 on a thin client from eBay is a terrible idea. Even windows 98 needs more than the built-in 32MB of flash storage. |
| 14:29.22 | not_a_thinclient | I could always buy another flash module (1GB) for $15? Just maybe.. |
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| 14:30.47 | Logg | personally i wouldn't put any money into this system unless you love it. You could get a more capable system for $15. |
| 14:31.27 | not_a_thinclient | True, but it's fun. I have plenty of capable systems, but it was my first thin client. |
| 14:33.29 | not_a_thinclient | I used to play around with a Windows NT 4 network, but it was a pain to manage, especially because it ran on Pentium 4 spaceheaters. I even setup an Exchange server. |
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| 14:35.43 | Logg | Typically I like to put era-appropriate operating systems on my vintage computers (although the current Debian Sid with no X runs acceptably on my Pentium II). I would try to find what your thin client was designed to work with & use that. |
| 14:36.08 | Logg | Or embrace the tty :D |
| 14:36.43 | not_a_thinclient | The software for it doesn't work with modern RDP. I even went through the hassle of MS-DOS networking with EtherLink III cards. It was hell, same with getting AT systems to work with my CD drives. |
| 14:38.30 | Logg | Sounds like you need antique rdp for your antique thin client. Maybe you could even do something silly like an RDP to Windows XP, which in turn is RDP'd to some modern system. Whatever you do though, it seems pretty off topic for #debian. |
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| 14:45.48 | crivrc | Stratmanuk: Use Function keys and also if I remember correctly shift or control |
| 14:46.06 | crivrc | Startmanuk you can see it in configuration options |
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| 14:53.23 | not_a_thinclient | LTSP is dead and ruined: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/eep1ar/ltsp_but_with_web_clients/ |
| 14:53.37 | not_a_thinclient | It's not for thin clients. It just downloads the OS images. |
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| 14:53.55 | not_a_thinclient | At least I'm using LTSP 5, so thank you Debian for not updating it. |
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| 15:25.54 | MOONMAN | Ready to kill some niggers and Jews! |
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| 15:26.11 | ksk | !ops |
| 15:26.11 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 15:26.14 | GoyIm | http://tinyurl.com/cuck1442 |
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| 15:26.18 | ksk | !ops GoyIm |
| 15:26.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above) |
| 15:26.19 | GoyIm | Bye! |
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| 15:32.05 | plssh2ekel | My Debian 10 install keeps crashing: https://anonfile.com/3f80C1K3nf/Us8m_webm |
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| 15:34.30 | crivrc | don't download that |
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| 15:36.20 | ksk | did look like a webm to me, but did not "watch" the video.. |
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| 15:37.03 | crivrc | my mistake to click it |
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| 16:04.51 | Akuw_ | i have a list of packages and want to include in my local repo |
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| 16:09.58 | towo` | Akuw_, then do it |
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| 16:12.40 | Akuw_ | yes, but the dir with all .deb doesnt has Package file |
| 16:13.02 | towo` | then create one |
| 16:13.32 | Habbie | ,v local-apt-repository |
| 16:13.33 | judd | Package: local-apt-repository on amd64 -- stretch: 0.4+deb9u1; bullseye: 0.6; buster: 0.6; sid: 0.6 |
| 16:13.35 | Habbie | Akuw_, ^ |
| 16:14.52 | Akuw_ | i created a directory /srv/local-apt-repository then a file local-apt-repository with deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ main non-free contrib qfree |
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| 16:15.55 | Habbie | Akuw_, please let the local-apt-repository package handle that for you |
| 16:16.12 | towo` | ur use dpkg-scanpackages |
| 16:16.18 | towo` | s/ur/or |
| 16:17.12 | Akuw_ | deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ main |
| 16:17.24 | Akuw_ | this line is ok? i am getting malformed error |
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| 16:22.22 | joepublic | must not be then, eh? |
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| 16:25.57 | Akuw_ | Habbie: i added line but apt cant see the package inside that folder |
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| 16:27.52 | Habbie | Akuw_, i told you to let local-apt-repository handle it |
| 16:28.02 | Akuw_ | how? |
| 16:28.09 | Habbie | by installing it and reading its docs |
| 16:28.26 | Akuw_ | ? |
| 16:28.30 | towo` | deb file:///var/local/repository ./ |
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| 16:30.38 | Akuw_ | deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
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| 16:50.36 | boeg | I'm just debian buster and firefox is not running in wayland mode when I'm launching other wms like sway, only when using gnome. How do I make it run in wayland mode? |
| 16:50.40 | boeg | i'm using* |
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| 16:53.43 | annadane | firefox-esr? |
| 16:53.53 | annadane | assume so, if not specificed |
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| 16:54.10 | boeg | let me check |
| 16:54.23 | nvz | my limited understanding is that wayland is not quite the same as XFree86/XOrg and stuff, it doesnt just run any X client.. it is a protocol for a compositor and thus requires some kind of intermediary that speaks its language |
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| 16:55.02 | boeg | annadane: yes, firefox-esr and firefox - i haven't installed anything, just whats preinstalled |
| 16:55.09 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland |
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| 16:56.00 | jhutchins_wk | boeg: What is the actual problem? |
| 16:56.03 | jhutchins_wk | boeg: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 16:56.05 | ratrace | nvz: precisely |
| 16:56.31 | boeg | nvz: yes, but thing is in gnome, both firefox and gnome is sharp as a knife but in sway at 200% scaling, firefox is blurry as hell |
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| 16:57.36 | boeg | jhutchins_wk: I can see that firefox is running in x-mode not wayland-mode and I am trying to get it to use wayland mode. I have tried adding MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 to ~/.pam_environment but no luck |
| 16:57.53 | nvz | idk, I'm not going anywhere near wayland any time soon.. I'm not very moved by it.. and I have no interest in it |
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| 16:58.06 | boeg | I think getting it to use wayland mode will make it sharp. For some reason it launches in x-mode in sway but in wayland mode in gnome |
| 16:58.24 | boeg | at least thats my current theory |
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| 17:03.40 | boeg | and if I try to launch it with "MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox" it does launch and crash but the "crashing dialog" it shows is sharp, so it looks like the problem is that it's not in wayland mode |
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| 17:06.39 | boeg | have to make dinner, bbl |
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| 17:22.53 | tomreyn | if you want to see something exciting on firefox rather try webrender (coming in 2020 by default) on FF >= 71 with gfx.webrender.enabled=true : https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/have-you-tested-webrender/16137 |
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| 17:59.34 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 18:00.00 | johnfg | Still hoping to get the issue resolved with openvpn-client not starting with systemd. |
| 18:00.44 | johnfg | Didn't get any responses on New Year's Eve day. Anyone like to see journalctl with strace -f? |
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| 18:04.12 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: Has anyone NOT suggested that you seek help from the openvpn team? |
| 18:04.48 | jhutchins_wk | !openvpn |
| 18:04.48 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 18:05.11 | johnfg | jhutchins_wk: Been there, so yes. Since it starts fine from the cli, they believe that the problem is with systemd. |
| 18:05.39 | johnfg | I'm there too, and nothing has helped anywhere so far. |
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| 18:07.24 | ksk | to my knowledge you have not shared any strace containg logs btw |
| 18:07.34 | ksk | containing |
| 18:07.48 | johnfg | ksk: I have, but I'll gladly do it again now... |
| 18:09.20 | johnfg | http://paste.debian.net/1124209/ here it is. Looking forward to a fix! |
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| 18:10.21 | greycat | Jan 02 11:08:42 churchdebian strace[3058]: [pid 3076] execve("/sbin/ip", ["/sbin/ip", "link", "set", "dev", "tun0", "up", "mtu", "1500"], 0x560060aafd68 /* 47 vars */) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 18:10.26 | greycat | Same as last time, I believe. |
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| 18:13.06 | johnfg | Anyone able to tell what the problem is? |
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| 18:13.42 | greycat | Obviously not, or we would have told you two weeks ago. |
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| 18:14.26 | greycat | For some reason, this process is getting EPERM'ed by the kernel when it tries to execute this program. The most likely causes of that happening ONLY when THIS PROCESS tries to do it, and nobody else, is that the process has some sort of security restrictions in place. |
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| 18:15.36 | greycat | If you've verified that you have the "script-security 2" line correctly in the configuration file, and if you can't make the problem go away by taking away all of the restrictions put in place by the systemd unit file, then I have no idea. |
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| 18:16.00 | johnfg | greycat: Is there anything you know of, in the upgrade from stretch to buster, that would have changed in this regard? |
| 18:16.10 | greycat | I DO NOT USE OPENVPN AT ALL |
| 18:16.25 | greycat | Maybe you could compare the unit file between the two releases and see what changed. |
| 18:16.28 | johnfg | I do have that line in client.conf. |
| 18:16.45 | greycat | In fact, didn't I already DO that for you? I could swear I did. |
| 18:16.49 | apollo13 | which line do you have in client.conf? |
| 18:16.56 | greycat | I distinctly remember setting up a shell command involving diff and two process substitutions. |
| 18:16.58 | johnfg | ip runs fine anytime I need it from the cli, as does openvpn from the cli too. |
| 18:17.18 | greycat | !irc log |
| 18:17.23 | greycat | !chat log |
| 18:17.27 | greycat | ... |
| 18:17.33 | greycat | !irc logs |
| 18:17.33 | dpkg | methinks irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
| 18:17.56 | johnfg | script-security 2 is the last line in my client.conf |
| 18:18.17 | apollo13 | /sbin/ip is afaik whitelisted anyways |
| 18:18.33 | apollo13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.56 | greycat | "built-in executable" is an oxymoron... |
| 18:19.14 | apollo13 | hehe yes, but openvpn has a "whitelist" which includes ip afaiks |
| 18:19.31 | apollo13 | anyways, disable the systemd protections in the unit file till it works and then you will know what the problem is |
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| 18:20.10 | TheFlatCat | yo |
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| 18:21.18 | johnfg | Ok, guys, I diffed again (and yes, greycat, you suggested, and I did it when you suggested), and I'll see if I can figure out what to disable. |
| 18:23.41 | spacebug^ | johnfg: I have openvpn working. If you want to compare any file let me know |
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| 18:25.33 | Akuw__ | greycat: hi |
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| 18:27.50 | greycat | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20191220.html.gz <greycat> from stretch to buster, it added CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE and CAP_AUDIT_WRITE |
| 18:28.44 | greycat | That's based on the two different unit files posted by two different people, one allegedly stretch, the other allegedly buster, because I could NOT figure out where the unit file is hiding under sources.debian.org. |
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| 18:32.06 | Akuw__ | greycat: i configured a local repo but there is one package i got Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:32.11 | Akuw__ | but .deb is there |
| 18:32.14 | greycat | !ask |
| 18:32.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:32.22 | greycat | "Don't ... pick one person to ask." |
| 18:33.00 | johnfg | spacebug^: would you paste your client.conf (or its equivalent name)? |
| 18:33.37 | johnfg | spacebug^: Also, your openvpn-client@client.service |
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| 18:34.38 | johnfg | Fyi...openvpn is running great on my main debian server (running stretch), and on an archlinux machine as well. |
| 18:34.58 | johnfg | Definitely something got messed up by the upgrade to buster. |
| 18:35.13 | Akuw__ | "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/local-apt-repository.list has one line deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./" |
| 18:35.53 | Akuw__ | and apt update show no errors |
| 18:35.57 | apollo13 | johnfg: first hit on google: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908559 |
| 18:35.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908559 in openvpn (open): «openvpn: Openvpn cannot run /sbin/ip if started from systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-11; last modified: 2019-12-01. |
| 18:36.08 | greycat | "I'm running my own hand-crafted repository" would be an EXCELLENT reason not to ask greycat for help with your issue, because greycat doesn't know ANYTHING about that. |
| 18:36.15 | spacebug^ | johnfg: http://paste.debian.net/1124214 |
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| 18:36.57 | spacebug^ | johnfg: I have no openvpn-client@client.service |
| 18:37.39 | ksk | but the buster systemd-client@.service file does have cap_sys_admin in its bounding set - at least for the package I downloaded recently |
| 18:37.51 | johnfg | spacebug^: Are you running a client? If so, what did you name your client config? |
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| 18:38.51 | diogenes_ | Akuw__, if greycat doesn't know the answer then ask jelly :) |
| 18:39.02 | Akuw__ | ok |
| 18:39.18 | greycat | ... |
| 18:39.20 | Akuw__ | jelly: i configured a local repo but there is one package i got Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:39.29 | Akuw__ | "/etc/apt/sources.list.d/local-apt-repository.list has one line deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./" |
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| 18:39.31 | diogenes_ | that was a joke btw :) |
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| 18:39.36 | spacebug^ | johnfg: sorry I have to go now. Will be back later. (I just installed openvpn package. It seems to be started from /etc/rc2.d/S01openvpn) |
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| 18:39.44 | Akuw__ | hehehehe |
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| 18:39.57 | nvz | that was a joke too :D |
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| 18:41.13 | diogenes_ | did i deserve a kick for the innocent joke? |
| 18:41.24 | nvz | you didnt think that was funny? |
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| 18:41.43 | diogenes_ | eh |
| 18:41.45 | jaakkos | johnfg: have you posted the systemd unit to a pastebin somewhere? |
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| 18:42.44 | nvz | diogenes_: really it was just bad form.. people shouldn't home in on one particular supporter but ask and let people who feel they can contribute to chime in on their own terms |
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| 18:44.43 | diogenes_ | nvz, i know that but any attempt of me to explain myself would be misunderstood, that's my karma. |
| 18:45.17 | Akuw__ | i just check Packages file and there are all deps |
| 18:45.40 | Akuw__ | so, i dont understand why apt cant find it and it is not able to resolve |
| 18:46.27 | ksk | Akuw__: "apt-cache policy libboost-dev"? |
| 18:47.14 | Akuw__ | https://paste.debian.net/1124217/ |
| 18:47.44 | Akuw__ | https://paste.debian.net/1124220/ |
| 18:48.03 | jaakkos | johnfg: here's a working client unit file from a Buster host http://paste.debian.net/plainh/afce812c |
| 18:48.30 | johnfg | So, with help from systemd, the service starts, but only after I comment out the CapabilityBoundingSet= |
| 18:48.33 | ksk | Akuw__: I suppose you putin the wrong version of packages into your repo - or thats what apt is telling you - nothing #debian can do, really |
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| 18:49.40 | Akuw__ | versions are correct |
| 18:50.18 | ksk | apt-cache policy your way through the "unmet dependencies:" packages and see for yourself |
| 18:51.50 | Akuw__ | Candidate: 1.55.0.2 |
| 18:52.00 | Akuw__ | all packages have same version |
| 18:56.25 | johnfg | jaakkos: Thanks, I tried that, but it failed. |
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| 18:58.38 | jaakkos | johnfg: btw how do you edit unit files? You may need to do systemctl daemon-reload if you edit them directly |
| 18:59.02 | greycat | You should NOT be editing the files in /lib/systemd/system/ if that's what you're doing.... |
| 18:59.47 | greycat | I'm also curious about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908559#10 -- under what conditions does /bin/ip have cap_sys_admin set? Mine doesn't. |
| 18:59.48 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908559 in openvpn (open): «openvpn: Openvpn cannot run /sbin/ip if started from systemd»; severity: important; opened: 2018-09-11; last modified: 2019-12-01. |
| 19:00.39 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:00.43 | greycat | ,file cap_from_text.3 |
| 19:00.48 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 19:00.53 | greycat | are you KIDDING me |
| 19:01.14 | Habbie | ,file cap_from_text.3.gz |
| 19:01.18 | judd | Search for cap_from_text.3.gz in buster/amd64: libcap-dev: usr/share/man/man3/cap_from_text.3.gz |
| 19:01.32 | greycat | oh, it's not a partial string match? ugh. |
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| 19:03.19 | johnfg | I always do the daemon-reload, and I'm editing the .service file in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants |
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| 19:03.59 | greycat | /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants only has symbolic links in it |
| 19:04.00 | johnfg | Is commenting out that line a security problem? |
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| 19:04.18 | greycat | are you "editing" a symlink that points to a file in /lib/systemd/system/ ? |
| 19:04.24 | johnfg | greycat: Yes. |
| 19:04.28 | greycat | Don't do that! |
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| 19:05.09 | johnfg | That's how debian does it when I do, systemctl enable openvpn-client@client.conf. |
| 19:05.25 | annadane | oh you shouldn't? hmm |
| 19:05.30 | annadane | i need to check my /lib then |
| 19:06.13 | greycat | If you use "systemctl edit", it will copy the file from /lib to /etc for you, and then you will be editing the copy in /etc which will override the default in /lib. |
| 19:06.40 | greycat | Note, **NOT** in the multi-user.target.wants/ directory. Directly in /etc/systemd/system/. |
| 19:07.19 | johnfg | openvpn-client@client.service -> /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service |
| 19:07.35 | greycat | Don't edit that. |
| 19:07.46 | johnfg | greycat: But *do* systemctl edit <what?> |
| 19:07.49 | greycat | Your changes will be discarded the next time that pacakge gets updated. |
| 19:08.17 | greycat | Either do "systemctl edit openvpn-client@.service", or copy the /lib/systemd/system/openvpn-client@.service file to /etc/systemd/system/ and then edit that copy. |
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| 19:17.21 | johnfg | greycat: Ok, the file is edited and where it should be. I guess it's only starting because I've got the line commented out. |
| 19:17.41 | johnfg | Thanks for all the help, to everyone that tried. |
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| 19:18.03 | greycat | johnfg: did you look at bug 908559 which has been linked a few times now? Does your /bin/ip have any capabilities set on it? |
| 19:19.52 | johnfg | I did. |
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| 19:22.50 | johnfg | greycat: Don't know how to check about the capabilities of /bin/ip, but I did the "add cap_sys_admin" to the CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_IPC_LOCK CAP_NET_ADMIN CAP_NET_RAW CAP_SETGID CAP_SETUID CAP_SYS_CHROOT CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE CAP_SYS_ADMIN |
| 19:22.57 | johnfg | It worked. |
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| 19:23.40 | johnfg | Took a while, but I guess we can call it good now (or good enough)? |
| 19:24.10 | jaakkos | johnfg: /sbin/getcap /usr/bin/ip |
| 19:24.27 | greycat | or more likely, /bin/ip since this is an upgraded system |
| 19:24.41 | jaakkos | Right. I almost wrote `which ip`... |
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| 19:24.57 | greycat | even that won't work, because there's a /sbin/ip symlink |
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| 19:26.21 | JordiGH | I've got a Playstation CD image ".bin" file. I believe it contains a single data track. How can I get at the files in it? |
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| 19:26.50 | johnfg | Here it is: /bin/ip = cap_dac_override,cap_net_admin,cap_sys_admin+ep |
| 19:26.58 | jaakkos | Oh. Didn't know getcap wouldn't work on symlink |
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| 19:27.14 | johnfg | But, what does it mean? |
| 19:27.57 | johnfg | greycat: Is there something in its capabilities that should be changed? |
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| 19:29.36 | Akuw__ | ksk: why you said wrong version |
| 19:29.43 | Akuw__ | i checked and all is correct |
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| 19:31.09 | johnfg | Any last thoughts before I head to 2nd job? |
| 19:31.39 | spacebug^ | johnfg: http://paste.debian.net/1124225 this is from my fresh install of Buster |
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| 19:33.11 | JordiGH | Oh, iat can convert .bin files to normal .iso images and then I can mount them. |
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| 19:36.01 | johnfg | spacebug^: Mine is identical except for its name, which is client.conf, and the CAP_SYS_ADMIN that I added. |
| 19:36.06 | johnfg | spacebug^: Thanks for helping! |
| 19:36.10 | at0m | abbie: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=write+debian+to+usb |
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| 19:39.29 | johnfg | ttyl, and thanks again! |
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| 19:39.45 | spacebug^ | yw |
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| 21:01.46 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 21:02.01 | b1ack0p | who is using BleachBit? |
| 21:02.08 | greycat | !using |
| 21:02.09 | ksk | !ask |
| 21:02.31 | greycat | !anyone |
| 21:02.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 21:02.38 | b1ack0p | is it useful app? |
| 21:02.48 | towo` | no |
| 21:02.59 | b1ack0p | why not |
| 21:03.06 | dvs | I'm not using it so no |
| 21:03.15 | ksk | because there is no reason for having such a programm in the first place |
| 21:03.21 | b1ack0p | is there any useful app to cleanup unnecessary things? |
| 21:03.37 | towo` | b1ack0p, brain 1.0 |
| 21:03.41 | ksk | b1ack0p: there are only your documents in your users home, and packages installed on the system that you installed |
| 21:03.48 | ksk | there is no such thing as "unnecessary things" |
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| 21:03.58 | b1ack0p | i see |
| 21:04.17 | b1ack0p | so unnecessary things exist only in m$ windows i think |
| 21:04.19 | ksk | (and believe it or not, that is even true for windows - but of course all the creators of such tools think they do know better than M$ :P) |
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| 21:05.44 | b1ack0p | btw i got muted then banned from ##windows by typing m$ :p |
| 21:05.49 | b1ack0p | $ |
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| 21:09.36 | annadane | most users will only care about home (including dot files) and /etc |
| 21:09.41 | annadane | though, |
| 21:09.44 | annadane | !what to backup |
| 21:09.44 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 21:10.06 | annadane | but yeah, i tend to just remember roughly what i have |
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| 21:37.33 | Guest10409 | Hi. |
| 21:37.35 | Guest10409 | what is the best way to find a girlfriend in 2020 ? |
| 21:37.59 | dvs | ???? |
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| 21:38.14 | ksk | ,i girlfriend |
| 21:38.15 | judd | No package named 'girlfriend' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 21:38.17 | ksk | mhhm |
| 21:38.25 | greycat | step one, log out of IRC |
| 21:40.45 | dvs | gives up |
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| 21:45.02 | b1ack0p | lol |
| 21:45.05 | b1ack0p | what a question |
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| 21:45.14 | b1ack0p | sudo apt install gf |
| 21:45.35 | b1ack0p | what was the command to lookup? grep | gf ? |
| 21:46.11 | greycat | wooledg:~$ csh |
| 21:46.11 | greycat | wooledg:~% find lover? |
| 21:46.11 | greycat | find: No match. |
| 21:46.19 | b1ack0p | lol |
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| 21:56.32 | nvz | find pub/ -nouser -type -gf && gawk && cd ~/ && touch && unzip && strip && finger && expand && head && mount && fsck && gasp && more && more && halt && unmount && make clean && sleep |
| 21:57.59 | Butt3rfly | and they said romance was dead |
| 21:58.06 | Butt3rfly | chuckles |
| 21:58.09 | nvz | ikr |
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| 21:58.45 | nvz | problem is people typically do unix sex with ; instead of && |
| 21:58.52 | nvz | which can lead to problems... |
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| 21:59.33 | nvz | try explaining a syntax error to the police/courts! :P |
| 22:00.56 | nvz | in which case you might want an age check on the find command :D |
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| 22:04.08 | annadane | phew |
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| 22:04.16 | annadane | i'm all debian'd out |
| 22:04.29 | annadane | romance in debian is a... stable... relationship? |
| 22:04.50 | nvz | I think its still in experimental.. :D |
| 22:04.54 | Butt3rfly | *laughs* |
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| 22:04.56 | f8e3 | any good graph software to have a gui for graph modelling, dot is err |
| 22:05.06 | dvs | won't even start with "buster" |
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| 22:05.26 | nvz | f8e3: you could probably do that with libreoffice calc |
| 22:05.33 | nvz | depending on your needs |
| 22:05.47 | tangarora | so how do I remove a write lock on a qcow2 file? |
| 22:05.54 | greycat | Oh hey, they fixed the ftp.us.debian.org mirror, or I got a non-broken one. So I can apt-get update now. |
| 22:06.22 | dvs | yay |
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| 22:06.55 | towo` | tangarora, this has what to do with debian? |
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| 22:07.57 | tangarora | towo I am running kvm om debian |
| 22:08.13 | towo` | aha |
| 22:08.49 | towo` | but it is not debian, which put a lock on your hd-image |
| 22:10.00 | tangarora | just qemu-kvm part of debian kernel... |
| 22:10.23 | towo` | there is no qemu-kvm part in kernel |
| 22:10.36 | towo` | there is only kvm, with the needed kernel modules |
| 22:10.45 | tangarora | Well the hypervisor functionality is part of the kernel and debian distributes the managment tools and the kernel so why not? |
| 22:10.55 | towo` | aha |
| 22:11.13 | towo` | and with management tools, you mean what? libvirt? virtmanager? |
| 22:12.23 | tangarora | well in this case qemu-img |
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| 22:14.22 | tangarora | qemu-img info -U library-music.qcow2 tells me that the disk is locked... and asks if another instance is using it... wich is no longer the case |
| 22:14.45 | tangarora | and i cant use the disk in another vm since its locked |
| 22:17.24 | towo` | may you should ask in #qemu on oftc network |
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| 22:22.35 | tangarora | no such channel i could find |
| 22:23.03 | greycat | 17:22 #qemu 393 QEMU Open Source Processor Emulator - 4.2.0 and 4.1.1 are out! - ask a question, or see https://qemu.org/support/ for other options! |
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| 22:23.14 | greycat | Sounds like you forgot to check on OFTC. |
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| 22:34.07 | tangarora | ok |
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| 23:11.00 | mutante | what might be wrong if "hostname -f" does not show a valid FQDN but the same as "hostname -s" .. BUT you totally DO have a "domain" in /etc/resolv.conf AND "hostname -A" shows the FQDN that you would expect from "-f" as well? What does it mean that "all" long host names contain it but "the" FQDN does not? |
| 23:12.01 | mutante | so if i list "all" FQDNs i get the expected thing, but --fqdn does not list an FQDN .. wtf |
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| 23:14.48 | goofball64 | is there any manual page for grub configuration? i'd like to set a different timeout when booting |
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| 23:17.09 | mutante | goofball64: maybe "info grub-mkconfig" |
| 23:17.18 | mutante | (had to install info itself) |
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| 23:41.06 | vitaerk | Hi, iam testing obs-studio on Debian 9 and if i open evince and try to record it, the window is only black. |
| 23:41.32 | vitaerk | no pdf file is shown and no window is shown |
| 23:42.00 | vitaerk | i tried to get another pdf viewer but dont found one |
| 23:42.12 | vitaerk | any suggestions? |
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| 23:42.51 | sponix | vitaerk: in your GUI/DE see if you can change your "compositor" setting to something different. I get similar with mine at the default, and have changed it for OBS to work properly |
| 23:44.01 | vitaerk | sponix, oh thank you! I remember that i change the compositor settings for a while. Maybe exactly this is the problem. Ill try it |
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| 23:45.55 | sponix | vitaerk: just don't ask me what that actually does - lol |
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| 23:47.18 | vitaerk | sponix, great! it is working now. I disabled compositor now! Thank you so much for the hint |
| 23:47.39 | vitaerk | on xfce |
| 23:48.17 | sponix | vitaerk: I do XFCE myself |
| 23:48.25 | sponix | Or at least parts of it |
| 23:48.35 | vitaerk | great! |
| 23:49.34 | vitaerk | i love debian and xfce, its so easy and fast |
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| 23:50.52 | vitaerk | thank you debian team |
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