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| 00:12.54 | H2Q | hello, VM manager is asking me admin password when I want to start it. it never happened on other systems. do I have a wrong config? |
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| 00:19.32 | nlyy | hi |
| 00:19.57 | dvs | yo |
| 00:20.22 | nlyy | HNY dvs |
| 00:20.47 | nlyy | is it possible to get help for using dpkg on a foreign distro, GuixSD, in my case |
| 00:20.58 | dvs | not here |
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| 00:22.12 | nlyy | would you like to take a guess, where i can try to ask? |
| 00:24.28 | nlyy | oh, dpkg is also a username, but I am talking about the Debian package manager. |
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| 00:29.02 | jim | nlyy, there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help |
| 00:29.43 | jim | it's /list without the server I/O problems |
| 00:30.32 | nlyy | good to know. |
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| 00:32.20 | jim | an example, to find channels that have guixsd in their names, /msg alis list guixsd |
| 00:33.34 | nlyy | oh you mean #guix, well I am aware of that channel. |
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| 00:36.58 | karlpinc | !tell anonymous8 about ask |
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| 01:48.23 | karlpinc | jim: Use locate to find the full path, then I use "dpkg -S path" to find the path, but there's a faster way. I think with apt-cache. |
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| 02:04.41 | ealfonso | what happend to ekiga in buster? |
| 02:08.29 | JackFrost | https://bugs.debian.org/911593 |
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| 02:08.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/911593 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: ekiga -- ROM; RoQA; unmaintained, depends on ptlib which depends on openssl1.0»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-10-22; last modified: 2018-12-20. |
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| 02:46.11 | un214 | ok how do I really disable fsck on boot (systemd) |
| 02:46.35 | un214 | it's trying to check mounted filesystems |
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| 02:49.50 | ealfonso | trying to build ekiga from source. I installed "gstreamer1.0-plugins-base", but why do I still get "No package 'gstreamer-plugins-base-1.0' found" ? |
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| 02:53.28 | abrotman | ealfonso: what is giving you that error? |
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| 02:56.09 | ealfonso | ./configure. I solved it by setting GSTREAMER_PLUGINS_BASE_LIBS and GSTREAMER_PLUGINS_BASE_CFLAGS to values (https://pastebin.com/4cY3qhYZ) from something random on the internet (https://clang.debian.net/logs/2013-01-28/thoggen_0.7.1-1_unstable_clang.log), which worked |
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| 03:00.08 | abrotman | Okay then |
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| 03:08.28 | ealfonso | now I get "configure: error: You need the libresolv library to compile Ekiga". I could only find libresolv-wrapper, which is already installed. am I supposed to install something like libresolv-dev? |
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| 03:23.05 | un214 | gah, systemctl mask systemd-fsck doesn't acutally work |
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| 03:29.00 | ealfonso | the libresolv issue appeared to be a bug in ekiga: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1426109 |
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| 03:42.38 | un214 | wow debian bug server is lagged |
| 03:43.15 | un214 | in any case it's time to roll back systemd |
| 03:45.15 | CreadPag | hphola |
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| 03:47.03 | un214 | bug 947811 doesn't seem to have any workaround |
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| 03:47.50 | un214 | dpkg bug 947811 |
| 03:47.50 | dpkg | un214: are you using Windows? |
| 03:48.23 | JackFrost | #947811 |
| 03:48.24 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/947811 in systemd (open, moreinfo): «systemd: don't check *mounted* filesystems by default»; severity: important; opened: 2019-12-31; last modified: 2019-12-31. |
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| 04:20.08 | hatter_ | I am stuck in a loop with a stretch to buster install : Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:20.28 | hatter_ | ' /var/cache/apt/archives/gnuplot-data_5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1_all.deb |
| 04:21.00 | hatter_ | if I try : apt-get remove gnuplot |
| 04:21.06 | hatter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.46 | hatter_ | When I do : apt --fix-broken install |
| 04:21.56 | hatter_ | The following additional packages will be installed: |
| 04:21.56 | hatter_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.56 | hatter_ | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 04:21.56 | hatter_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:22.19 | hatter_ | I am in a loop |
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| 04:27.24 | nyov | hatter_: fix your priorities so that packages aren't kept ot downgraded |
| 04:27.26 | nyov | *or |
| 04:27.42 | nyov | or remove gnuplot-qt and gnuplot-data |
| 04:28.04 | hatter_ | nyov, hmm, interesting, do you have a link to fix priorities ? |
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| 04:28.24 | hatter_ | I was successful by doing : dpkg --purge --force-all gnuplot |
| 04:28.33 | hatter_ | there were a few more packages related to this |
| 04:28.51 | hatter_ | gnuplot-data, gnuplot-nox, and a library |
| 04:29.14 | hatter_ | I am not even sure what installs gnuplot... part of gnome I guess ? |
| 04:29.37 | nyov | I tend to forget how apt pinning works |
| 04:29.53 | nyov | https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration |
| 04:29.59 | hatter_ | nyov, np, thx, I will check it out |
| 04:30.37 | hatter_ | should something like this be registered as a bug ? |
| 04:31.05 | petn-randall | hatter_: gnuplot-qt : Depends: gnuplot-data (= 5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1) but 4.6.6-2+deb8u1 is to be installed |
| 04:31.26 | petn-randall | ^^^ this sounds like you still have sources for Debian 8 included, with > 1000 priority. |
| 04:32.00 | nyov | no it's not a bug, hatter_ |
| 04:32.17 | nyov | it's your apt config |
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| 04:33.41 | hatter_ | petn-randall, hmm, I will check, I don't think so, I haven't had any need for that, but I will check |
| 04:33.59 | hatter_ | nyov, ok, I will check petn-randalls suggestion |
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| 04:35.41 | petn-randall | hatter_: Can you share the output of `apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gnuplot-data` with us? â https://paste.debian.net |
| 04:35.43 | nyov | So I see the init vote has passed. And only 42% of DDs voted? That is kinda sad |
| 04:36.18 | hatter_ | petn-randall, did you see above where I deleted gnuplot ? Is is still helpful to do what you ask with the package removed ? |
| 04:36.50 | petn-randall | hatter_: yes |
| 04:37.31 | hatter_ | http://dpaste.com/238GWAZ |
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| 07:05.47 | Halian | https://paste2.org/2entyesF I get this error (preceded by a list of modelines) when I try to switch to a custom resolution on my laptop; this error has only been occurring since I switched from the modesetting display driver to the intel one, which was done with the intent to get my computer to sleep when its lid is closed. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:10.41 | OS-63926 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:13.17 | OS-63926 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.32 | OS-63926 | hi |
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| 07:19.48 | cef | @Halian: sure that the name shouldn't be 1920x1080_60.00 ? 0x274 isn't a name for the mode afaik, but an ID. |
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| 07:20.29 | Halian | cef: oh, sorry. I get the same error when I pass the mode's name. |
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| 07:21.07 | cef | which chipset and which intel driver are you using (there's a few) |
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| 07:23.00 | Halian | It's simply called "intel" in the file that I made for it in xorg.conf.d |
| 07:23.16 | Halian | The chipset is an Intel UHD Graphics 620 |
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| 07:25.03 | ealfonso | is there an easy way to obtain ptlib (libpt-dev) in buster? I need it to build ekiga, which was also removed. |
| 07:25.22 | cef | Ahh so prob the i915 or i965 driver. Most likely i915. I've got a HD Graphics 630, tho I'm on a desktop. |
| 07:25.54 | Halian | Ahh |
| 07:27.20 | jelly-home | ,bug rm libpt-dev |
| 07:27.24 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 07:27.42 | cef | @ealfonso: it was removed cos it depends on libssl1.0 |
| 07:27.51 | cef | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ptlib |
| 07:28.58 | cef | Also cos it's unmaintained. You could try building it from the last known source and figuring out how to make it work with a later version of libssl (or similar lib) |
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| 07:35.33 | ealfonso5 | that sounds painful |
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| 08:32.35 | iz1glg | I guys, I've some bad behavior with audio in gnome after upgrade buster to pulseaudio 12.2-4+deb10u1. the symptom is that after suspend/resume I've no audio from pulseaudio (alsa and jack are ok) if I log out/in from gnome audio come back. to me smell like some dependency issue, like some packages need to be recompiled against new pulseaudio |
| 08:32.35 | iz1glg | updated. any tip from some more expert? |
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| 08:34.24 | ZaZaGX | everyone is sleeping |
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| 08:34.52 | nvz | ZaZaGX: you're not sleeping |
| 08:35.05 | ZaZaGX | i'm up |
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| 08:35.33 | iz1glg | O_o |
| 08:36.04 | nvz | ,v pulseaudio |
| 08:36.05 | judd | Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0-13; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 12.2-4+deb10u1; buster-backports: 13.0-3~bpo10+1; bullseye: 13.0-3; sid: 13.0-3 |
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| 08:36.58 | nvz | ,iz1glg doesn't work like that, cause debian stable packages barring exceptions not applicable here, don't change version.. and thus don't break abi |
| 08:37.49 | nvz | pulseaudio, like all the sound daemons that came before it isn't perfect.. but its way better than esd and such |
| 08:39.00 | iz1glg | it's not first time this is happening to me, I mean probably with next update this issue will disappear but it would be good to don't brake audio and know what is missing |
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| 08:42.13 | nvz | idk, I don't experience this issue |
| 08:42.23 | iz1glg | my issue occured with this update.. |
| 08:42.44 | iz1glg | Start-Date: 2019-12-04 02:44:07Commandline: apt upgradeRequested-By: iz1glg (1000)Install: linux-headers-4.19.0-6-amd64:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2, automatic), linux-headers-4.19.0-6-common:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2, automatic), xdg-dbus-proxy:amd64 (0.1.1-1, automatic), linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64:amd64 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2, automatic)Upgrade: |
| 08:42.44 | iz1glg | gir1.2-lokdocview-0.1:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), libreoffice-wiki-publisher:amd64 (1.2.0+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1.2.0+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u5), cryptsetup-bin:amd64 (2:2.1.0-5, 2:2.1.0-5+deb10u2), php7.3-xml:amd64 (7.3.4-2, 7.3.11-1~deb10u1), libreoffice-math:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), exim4-base:amd64 |
| 08:42.45 | iz1glg | (4.92-8+deb10u1, 4.92-8+deb10u3), gnome-control-center-data:amd64 (1:3.30.3-1, 1:3.30.3-2~deb10u1), libreoffice-script-provider-js:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), qtbase5-dev-tools:amd64 (5.11.3+dfsg1-1, 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1), libcomerr2:amd64 (1.44.5-1, 1.44.5-1+deb10u2), libreoffice-report-builder-bin:amd64 (1:6.1.5-3+deb10u3, |
| 08:42.45 | iz1glg | 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5), python2.7-dbg:amd64 (2.7.16-2, 2.7.16-2+deb10u1), python2.7-dev:amd64 (2.7.16-2, 2.7.16-2+deb10u1), php7.3-zip:amd64 (7.3.4-2, 7.3.11-1~deb10u1), firmware-iwlwifi:amd64 (20190114-1, 20190114-2), libnghttp2-14:amd64 (1.36.0-2, 1.36.0-2+deb10u1), e2fsprogs-l10n:amd64 (1.44.5-1, 1.44.5-1+deb10u2), firmware-realtek:amd64 |
| 08:42.46 | iz1glg | (20190114-1, 20190114-2), gnuplot:amd64 (5.2.6+dfsg1-1, 5.2.6+dfsg1-1+deb10u1), gir1.2-nm-1.0:amd64 (1.14.6-2, 1.14.6-2+deb10u1), libldap2-dev:amd64 (2.4.47+dfsg-3, 2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1), libcom-err2:amd64 (1.44.5-1, 1.44.5-1+deb10u2), libcom-err2:i386 (1.44.5-1, 1.44.5-1+deb10u2), libcups2:amd64 (2.2.10-6, 2.2.10-6+deb10u1), libcups2:i386 |
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| 08:42.56 | han-solo | :| |
| 08:43.04 | nvz | @.@ |
| 08:43.27 | ZaZaGX | whoa |
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| 08:43.48 | nvz | amatures.. :D |
| 08:43.54 | han-solo | well, the channel did ask, "Are you sure you want to paste more that n lines ?" :p |
| 08:44.24 | nvz | the channel asks no such thing |
| 08:44.29 | nyov | no, that would be the IRC client asking |
| 08:44.36 | nvz | han-solo: you using irssi I take it? |
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| 08:45.16 | iz1glg | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/ca834e6cc8660f06786c743d0038a742/pasted.txt |
| 08:45.17 | nyov | but the topic did ask |
| 08:45.40 | han-solo | nvz: er, yeah, the client |
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| 08:46.03 | ZaZaGX | I donated 5 bucks to debian SPI |
| 08:46.08 | nvz | han-solo: kudos, so am I.. has built in paste protection |
| 08:46.17 | han-solo | nvz: Yep :+1 |
| 08:46.38 | han-solo | accidental paste protection ;) |
| 08:47.09 | nvz | it protects whether its accidental or not.. you gotta press Ctrl+C or Ctrl+K |
| 08:47.57 | nvz | doesn't protect against flooding with /exec -o though :P |
| 08:47.58 | han-solo | i only did it once, iirc |
| 08:49.38 | nvz | iz1glg: /me goes to sleep |
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| 08:52.52 | iz1glg | nvz: what you mean? I mean that before upgrade, after resume audio was still ok both from speaker as headphone |
| 08:53.34 | iz1glg | now my headphone work only at first book before suspend and then no more |
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| 08:55.18 | OS-64082 | hi |
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| 08:55.40 | OS-64082 | someone say hi to me |
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| 08:57.33 | iz1glg | OS-64082: hi, here only gentlemen sorry :) |
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| 09:23.40 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 09:23.56 | ZaZaGX | hi |
| 09:24.03 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 09:24.20 | ratrace | iz1glg: you're an idiot |
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| 10:12.44 | iz1glg | ratrace: sorry, didn't want to offend those in. and thank you be here |
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| 10:29.07 | Bushmaster | hey, seeking some direction, I can SSH into raspberry pi 4, yet I cant see its configuration file, its one of the files where I can comment and uncomment HDMI hot-plug 4 etc etc, nevertheless if I can take the micro SD card off from the pi and plug it up with my USB port adaptor then I can see that micro SD in which Libreleec is installed pose several mounting partition viz-a-viz configuration files may be in one of these other mount point. |
| 10:29.07 | Bushmaster | Since I do not want to take the micro SD card right, I am proposing whether someone can solicit my problem with mitigation measure... |
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| 10:35.54 | boeg | Is there a way to configure my system so that my keyboard layout is set up properly in all window managers instead of having to do it for gnome, for xmonad, and so on and so on? Like a system wide way that maybe also works for DM? |
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| 11:00.58 | ratrace | boeg: ~/.xinitrc maybe? a setxkb call from it |
| 11:01.16 | boeg | ratrace: I've tried that but it's not getting called |
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| 11:51.02 | T61Shark | Does Debian 10 work 100% on a stock Thinkpad T61? |
| 11:51.22 | T61Shark | I'm installing it, but I have no wifi support unless I use the non-free drivers or I change out the internal wifi card. |
| 11:51.43 | T61Shark | I already botched the thing up when opening it up (got it from eBay). |
| 11:51.58 | T61Shark | Some internal screws are missing. The palm rest is bulged on the right side. |
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| 12:48.50 | DoctorD90 | hi! i wish an happy new year to all of you :) |
| 12:49.04 | abrotman | No |
| 12:49.27 | DoctorD90 | using luks with a new ssd, it would decrease its life? |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | Not really |
| 12:53.17 | abrotman | You're not truly writing more than you would unencrypted .. there's something in the middle encrypting/decrypting as yo ugo |
| 12:53.20 | abrotman | you go |
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| 13:01.56 | sappel | Good Morning, anyone here can help me how to reconfigure a ZFS pool externally? I need to remove the cache drive which doesn't exist anymore. Can't do it from the original system since it won't boot because of the missing cache. I can boot a live system and reconfigure it, if that is possible |
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| 13:06.36 | abrotman | Not that I'm trying to drive you away, but there is also a #zfs |
| 13:07.09 | sappel | uh, good idea, thanks :) |
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| 13:33.50 | DoctorD90 | abrotman thanks. So it will not waste the ssd life :) thanks! |
| 13:34.29 | abrotman | Also, I don't work in the hardware reliability department |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:37.33 | DoctorD90 | yea yea, but a confirmation is always welcome :) thanks |
| 13:38.09 | DoctorD90 | now i have to succeed to install debian with uefi.... |
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| 14:10.59 | rrttyy | Hi, I'm using debian stable with backports. I'm trying to write a simple GTK3 program. |
| 14:11.22 | rrttyy | $ pkg-config --cflags gtk+-3.0 |
| 14:11.26 | rrttyy | Package 'gl' requires 'libdrm >= 2.4.75' but version of libdrm is 2.4.68 |
| 14:11.58 | rrttyy | libdrm-common/stable,stable,now 2.4.97-1 all [installed] |
| 14:12.05 | rrttyy | WHat could be the issue here? |
| 14:12.17 | dvs | ,v libdrm-dev |
| 14:12.18 | judd | Package: libdrm-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.58-2; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.97-1; bullseye: 2.4.100-4; sid: 2.4.100-4 |
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| 14:12.43 | rrttyy | libdrm-dev/stable,now 2.4.97-1 amd64 [installed] |
| 14:13.14 | rrttyy | Will reinstalling libdrm fix this? |
| 14:13.44 | rrttyy | I'm using intel integrated graphics. DO I have the reinstall the common package or just the intel one? |
| 14:14.18 | openbsdtai123 | Note that grub-install does not work on stable i386. How to put the bootcode grub2 from debian installer? --root-directory sda didnt work out. Is there a dd possibility, like /usr/...bootcode.bin to be used in the installer? |
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| 14:24.59 | boser | Ich wünsche allen ein gutes und erfolgreiches neues Jahrzehnt! |
| 14:25.12 | greycat | !de |
| 14:25.12 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 14:43.02 | openbsdtai123 | I installed debian stable on i386. I see "# bash: fdisk: command not found" (as root). I see that you did forget to add /usr/sbin/ ... please add link to /usr/sbin/. thank you very much. |
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| 14:43.41 | greycat | !buster su |
| 14:43.42 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 14:44.45 | openbsdtai123 | This is probably to increase security, due to risks created by overuse of "sudo". |
| 14:45.31 | openbsdtai123 | you could also do the same with "mount"? |
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| 14:47.57 | greycat | It was not changed to "increase security". It was changed because some ... lovely and talented person ... decided that it would be better to switch to a different upstream source for su. |
| 14:48.21 | greycat | And instead of putting in a few minutes of effort to make sure nothing would break for end users, they decided to retain upstream's default behaviors. |
| 14:48.29 | greycat | So we have... this. |
| 14:48.51 | ksk | interesting. I was assuming it was done on purpose ;) |
| 14:48.51 | openbsdtai123 | aahh...ok. this remember me "sux" in the past, later removed, for X11. |
| 14:49.05 | greycat | The wiki page linked by the bot gives workarounds. |
| 14:49.33 | openbsdtai123 | there is always a specific need and requirement. debian have numerous demands and companies. |
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| 14:53.22 | openbsdtai123 | It is a long process to see those decisions in Debian. For decision making, Debian has a long procedure. It must be on a strong, funded purpose. |
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| 14:55.09 | Ede|Popede | it was friday and they all wanted to get out for the weekend. |
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| 14:58.19 | seaoftea | Is there a way to make change through the "ip" command permanent without just editing the interfaces file and duplicating it? |
| 14:58.28 | greycat | no |
| 14:58.38 | seaoftea | k, wow that was fast |
| 14:58.40 | seaoftea | thanks |
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| 15:05.17 | openbsdtai123 | ifconfig can still be installed, but highly deprecated |
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| 15:05.42 | greycat | ifconfig also does not permanently alter your configuration files |
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| 15:06.24 | openbsdtai123 | You can edit the /etc/network/interface by hand, and create /etc/wifi-wpa.conf ... |
| 15:06.26 | greycat | ip (in older releases, ifconfig) is the tool that gets used to set up the interface during boot |
| 15:06.35 | seaoftea | So I've never figured out what the proper way to edit the interfaces file and apply the changes without reboot. I try to restart the networking service but interfaces don't come back up. I try to manually bring them back up through ip link set dev up and they don't come up. The only way is to reboot :( |
| 15:06.50 | greycat | the programs that read your config files call upon ip (or ifconfig) to make the temporary setting for this lifetime, and then it goes away when you shutdown |
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| 15:07.24 | openbsdtai123 | I can give you an example... it is very easy... 2secs |
| 15:07.29 | greycat | seaoftea: if you're using the regular Debian tools, the proper way is to run "ifdown yourif", then edit the file, then run "ifup yourif", where yourif is the interface's name |
| 15:07.45 | openbsdtai123 | ifdown --force wlan0 ;) (--force is needed) |
| 15:07.51 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.20 | seaoftea | ok good to know. Going to try that right now. Thanks! |
| 15:08.46 | greycat | of course *everyone* screws up and edits the file first, even if they know better, so then you're forced to scramble around wondering what broke and how to fix it, and then you're better off just rebooting anyway... |
| 15:08.48 | GenTooMan | !cross-toolchains |
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| 15:10.56 | openbsdtai123 | For your wifi, it is simple, you just need /etc/network/interface to have this : https://termbin.com/xfkh |
| 15:11.14 | Razva | how can I search for a package that provides a command/service? in CentOS is `yum provides command` |
| 15:11.39 | Razva | I'm interested in the command, not a specific file with `apt-file` |
| 15:11.46 | greycat | !pdo |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 15:11.48 | greycat | or apt-file |
| 15:11.55 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.01 | seaoftea | Holy cow it works! There is so much disinformation on the internet about how to do this. |
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| 15:12.53 | Razva | for example I'm trying to see what provides `smbd`, but without installing the slew of necessary stuff for the samba-client |
| 15:13.11 | greycat | ,file bin/smbd |
| 15:13.16 | judd | Search for bin/smbd in buster/amd64: samba: usr/sbin/smbd |
| 15:13.26 | greycat | That's the third option. |
| 15:13.35 | lord_rob | There's much disinformation for everything on the internet seaoftea |
| 15:13.51 | openbsdtai123 | you can see info easily with : apt-cache showpkg ctwm ; all infos in there. |
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| 15:14.33 | Razva | did that |
| 15:14.36 | Razva | # apt-cache showpkg smbd |
| 15:14.36 | Razva | N: Unable to locate package smbd |
| 15:14.49 | greycat | You read the output wrong. The package name is "samba". |
| 15:15.12 | greycat | Search for <searchkey> in <release>/<arch>: <pkgname>: <pathname> |
| 15:15.13 | Razva | the initial question was this: how can I search for a package that provides a command/service? in CentOS is `yum provides command` |
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| 15:15.26 | greycat | And I told you three ways to do it. |
| 15:15.32 | Razva | ok, let me re-read |
| 15:15.34 | boeg | I'm trying to use brightnessctl to control my display backlight, but it requires sudo - can I add my user to some group or something so my user gets permission? |
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| 15:16.14 | openbsdtai123 | alternative is to look for package (files) into the web, simply with simple command line: links "https://packages.debian.org/buster/i386/vim-tiny/filelist#inner" |
| 15:16.15 | greycat | If you add yourself to the sudo group, you can run ANY command as any user with sudo. If you want finer control, you have to visudo. |
| 15:16.27 | greycat | openbsdtai123: pdo was the first choice I gave |
| 15:16.45 | greycat | second was apt-file, third was judd ,file |
| 15:16.55 | Razva | I guess that this is the most simple `Search the contents of packages` via https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, but still I think there are better alternatives than a website. let me read the rest |
| 15:17.58 | Razva | `apt-file` it is I guess |
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| 15:19.51 | openbsdtai123 | Overuse of sudo (wihout a password) might be a security breach. For instance, you download a non-checked binary or source code, it can run system( " sudo anything " ); and bring a backdoor easily in your system. |
| 15:19.54 | jhutchins_wk | There's also apt-cache |
| 15:20.07 | greycat | It's not a security breach. It's your choice how you admin your own computer. |
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| 15:20.53 | greycat | Running ANY compromised program will screw you up. |
| 15:21.19 | boeg | greycat: if I add myself to the sudo group, would that just mean that I still have the safety of sudo but just doesn't have to type my password after i've logged in as my user? |
| 15:21.38 | greycat | Being in the sudo group allows you to use sudo. |
| 15:21.50 | boeg | ah, but still with password right? |
| 15:21.57 | greycat | NOT being in the sudo group means you cannot use sudo, unless individual line-item entries are given unto you in the sudoers file. |
| 15:22.13 | boeg | right, I guess I am in the sudo group then because I can use sudo |
| 15:22.21 | greycat | You will still be prompted for your password in each terminal, and that password will remain valid within that temrinal for ~15 minutes. |
| 15:22.28 | dob1 | if I have to add a new hdd just for data it's important which label type I choose? gpt/dos ? |
| 15:22.30 | boeg | greycat: problem is I don't want to have to type my password when i use brightnessctl |
| 15:22.38 | greycat | !sudo |
| 15:22.38 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 15:23.31 | boeg | right so that is weird because I haven't myself enabled sudo. I'm on debian buster with gnome. But it is enabled as far as I can tell |
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| 15:24.22 | greycat | you can run "id" to see what groups you're in |
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| 15:24.56 | openbsdtai123 | "sudo" is installed on most installations of debian, with exception of minimum install. "visudo" is recommended and is alvailable on most linux to edit. "vi" origin. |
| 15:25.05 | ksk | dob1: above a certain size (2T?) you want to use GPT. |
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| 15:25.37 | dob1 | ksk, it's 2T |
| 15:25.40 | greycat | openbsdtai123: *sigh* you're just full of half-right answers today, and I am getting SO TIRED of having to correct everything you say |
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| 15:26.05 | DoctorD90 | easly question. when i format a dis with gparted in ext, it format it as sudo. To get ownershi I use chown....my question is: is correct to get ownership of: lost+found ? |
| 15:26.05 | ksk | dob1: I suppose if you have no reason *against* using GTP, go for it - new and shiny! ;) |
| 15:26.20 | greycat | ONE LAST ONE, and then I'm /ignoring you. sudo is installed, and your initial Debian user account is added to the sudo group, IF AND ONLY IF, you elect not to enter a root password during installation. |
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| 15:26.32 | dob1 | ksk, I would like to know what it implies from user point of view |
| 15:26.39 | ksk | dob1: nothing. |
| 15:26.45 | dob1 | ksk, ah ok then |
| 15:26.51 | greycat | Because apparently some people see "enter a root password" and leave it blank. |
| 15:27.13 | ksk | there are technical difference of course, but nothing a user storing files on that disk would experience (imho..) |
| 15:27.30 | krabador | beware of DoctorD90 |
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| 15:27.59 | dob1 | ksk, I just find the UUID the same way with blkid and the same in fstab too, right? |
| 15:28.18 | ksk | DoctorD90: normal unix file permissions/ownership foo applies - look at it seperately from formating the disk. |
| 15:29.08 | ksk | dob1: I have problems parsing that question, but sure, maybe.. As its not your primary drive (Where you boot from) Id say give it a try. |
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| 15:29.08 | DoctorD90 | ciù krabador |
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| 15:29.14 | DoctorD90 | cià * |
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| 15:29.40 | DoctorD90 | ksk where could I go to check? :) |
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| 15:30.11 | ksk | DoctorD90: check what exactly? I suppose you should read up on how permissions work in linux. |
| 15:30.24 | greycat | DoctorD90: you normally check by running "ls -l" |
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| 15:31.28 | DoctorD90 | uhm...i think i know the linux permission...I just do know about lost+found folder :P (thanks greycat ! i thougth about some document) |
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| 15:31.30 | openbsdtai123 | greycat: it is an exageration from your side. "sudo" with or without a password is fine. Admin has to decide to do so or not. |
| 15:31.52 | greycat | the lost+found directory is owned by root |
| 15:32.05 | greycat | it's where fsck puts little orphan files that it discovers |
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| 15:35.18 | DoctorD90 | so it is better to give the ownership of lost+found back to root :) thanks greycat ! great-cat as always ^^ |
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| 15:40.10 | jhutchins_wk | DoctorD90: It's usually best to leave things at their default until you know why it's the default, and know specifically why it should be changed. |
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| 15:42.05 | reepanol | Hello every one. I am looking for a way to connect directly to a caontainer docker (without sshd in container). First I have to connect in SSH to the Swarm server, then connect to container in local from swram. I tried something like --> ssh root@server "docker exec -it myContainer bash" but i get : "the input device is not a TTY". Is there a method to do this 2 connections in one command ? Thanks a lot |
| 15:42.11 | DoctorD90 | jhutchins_wk i agree and I would like to, but gparted configure ext partition with root as owner. The only possibility I know is using chown -R user:user /media/user/folder but this would give it to lost+found too |
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| 15:45.41 | spacebug^ | DoctorD90: don't use -R there since that means recursive |
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| 15:46.28 | DoctorD90 | spacebug^ yea but than I dont have access to write...or maybe it is just a my old bad memory :/ ....ok I will try next time :D Thanks! :D |
| 15:46.54 | greycat | Having write access to lost+found won't matter if you don't actually WRITE to it. |
| 15:47.00 | spacebug^ | chown changes owner, chmod changes permissions |
| 15:47.12 | greycat | Changing it back to root is fine. Leaving it chowned to you is fine, as long as you don't start playing around in it. |
| 15:49.10 | DoctorD90 | spacebug^ yea yea...i dont play at all with permission of it. greycat ah ok. Yeah i dont play with it at all :P |
| 15:49.41 | DoctorD90 | maybe i have to learn how to empy it to retrieve possible space....but this is another topic and google could help me :) |
| 15:50.23 | greycat | fsck puts files there if it finds some that are disconnected from their directories |
| 15:50.58 | greycat | if you find any files there, they will be nameless (some random string or number will be given to them, because fsck cannot know what their names WERE), and you will have to figure out what they are and where they belong by reading their contents and metadata |
| 15:53.08 | DoctorD90 | yea, but I never trash anything from it, so I dont know if I could do it manually, or there are any kind of command :P and fortunatly never played with fsck on this disk...even because it is with LUKS and i remeber that I have to perfomr some action otherwise I could wipe the partition :P (probably i have to fsck the mounted luks and not the luks partition itself...I dont remember cause as said, I never used it :P) |
| 15:53.17 | DoctorD90 | (manually) |
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| 15:53.38 | greycat | There is no "command". It is 100% manual at that point. |
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| 15:56.18 | spacebug^ | I'm running a few VMs (QEMU/KVM). When I want to backup them I have to use sudo in one place of my script (http://paste.debian.net/1124343/) because the images are located in /var/lib/libvirt/images and they are owned by libvirt-qemu when running, and root when turned off. Is this they way it should be= |
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| 16:00.11 | goofball64 | when i run "vi" on terminal it starts Vim, however I don't have the package "vim" installed |
| 16:00.19 | goofball64 | what is the difference between both? |
| 16:00.22 | greycat | "dpkg -l vim\*" |
| 16:01.16 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache show vim-tiny | grep Priority |
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| 16:01.16 | greycat | Priority: important |
| 16:02.32 | goofball64 | thanks greycat |
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| 16:10.24 | jhutchins_wk | goofball64: There are several versions of vim available with various feature sets. |
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| 16:15.21 | goofball64 | jhutchins_wk which one is the standard one? |
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| 16:20.09 | jhutchins_wk | goofball64: I'm not really sure - probably whatever's installed on your system. I tend to install vim-nox (no X integration, everything else), and I believe vim-tiny is always installed. |
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| 16:21.10 | seaoftea | +1 for vim-nox |
| 16:22.11 | boeg | How can I disable bluetooth so it doesn't start automatically on boot? I'm just running buster, haven't done any configuration to bluetooth myself |
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| 16:26.27 | boeg | I've tried systemctl disable bluetooth.service but get the error update-rc.d error permission denied |
| 16:26.46 | boeg | ah, I have to use sudo even though it asks me for password without |
| 16:26.47 | boeg | works now |
| 16:27.48 | jhutchins_wk | boeg: You'll need either sudo or root to make changes that affect the whole system like that. |
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| 16:28.34 | boeg | right, I just thought because it asks for password when I do it without sudo but that's not enough it seems |
| 16:28.38 | boeg | have to also do sudo |
| 16:28.39 | boeg | works now |
| 16:29.44 | greycat | That is... interesting. I have no idea why it has this big song-and-dance authentication dialog. |
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| 16:31.37 | boeg | greycat: yeah, bit confusing at least |
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| 17:01.39 | nugax | anyone know anything about telnetd |
| 17:02.05 | greycat | I know that I usually end up /ignoring people who ask questions about it. |
| 17:02.31 | nugax | lol |
| 17:03.05 | nugax | im just trying to get in.telnetd to stay running after a user disconnects. I am running it from command line. (i need to run from command line, not inetd, xinetd) |
| 17:03.37 | nugax | by default, it seems to stop the program |
| 17:03.55 | greycat | It doesn't run directly. It runs under inetd, or xinetd, or tcpserver, or systemd socket-activation. |
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| 17:04.08 | nugax | lol, yes it does. |
| 17:04.14 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:04.15 | nugax | with -degug <port> |
| 17:04.22 | nugax | -debug |
| 17:04.27 | greycat | Pattern is holding strong. |
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| 17:04.55 | nugax | well, what you said isnt true. |
| 17:05.01 | nugax | im running it from command line right now |
| 17:05.11 | nugax | dont help folks if you dont know the answer. |
| 17:06.10 | nugax | The -debug option may |
| 17:06.10 | nugax | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.11 | nugax | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.11 | nugax | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.28 | nugax | maybe your problems with users, are you. |
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| 17:13.12 | Labu | Hello* |
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| 17:13.18 | greycat | I probably need to cut out the waiting period and just go STRAIGHT to the /ignore when they bring up in.telnetd. Every single time, it's someone doing something WRONG, and every single time, they are ARROGANT in their wrongness. Docker users, or black hats, makes no difference. |
| 17:14.01 | Labu | I have debian 10 installed on a lenovo x270. It works fine excepted the audio. I don't have the internal speaker and if I plug a normal stereo jack on the combo jack I hear only one channel if I plug a combo jack in, the two channel are mixed together on the right end on the left. Is there some drivers for this hardware ? |
| 17:14.11 | Labu | here the audio device from lspci: 00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio |
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| 17:17.35 | jhutchins_wk | Labu: What do you mean by combo jack? |
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| 17:19.31 | Labu | it's a jack with headphones and mic |
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| 17:20.26 | Labu | jhutchins_wk: like headphones for mobile phone |
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| 17:21.10 | JordiGH | Do we have something that can run this? I think it's Apple IIe BASIC: https://pastebin.com/u8QaBdTn |
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| 17:25.00 | Labu | like this jhutchins_wk https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht103046 |
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| 17:28.54 | cholby | hello |
| 17:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | Labu: With a mic then. |
| 17:29.19 | jhutchins_wk | Labu: It sounds like a mechanical problem, like the contacts in the jack are not lining up with the right band on the plug. |
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| 17:34.24 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 17:36.44 | boeg | Is there an application in the repositories for controlling keyboard backlight? Like brightnessctl but for keyboard backlight |
| 17:37.10 | Labu | I've never had this problem already jhutchins_wk . With the previous x250 everything worked fine. I understand that jack for apple and for other device have differences in the band emplacement. But a stereo jack should work with. If I plug a stereo jack on my android phone it works. I dont understand |
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| 17:43.53 | H2Q | hello, is enigmail going to be available anytime soon? |
| 17:44.11 | greycat | ,v enigmail |
| 17:44.12 | judd | Package: enigmail on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb9u1; stretch: 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1; buster: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1; buster-proposed-updates: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; buster-security: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; sid: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4 |
| 17:44.21 | greycat | looks pretty available |
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| 17:44.43 | H2Q | not for current thunderbird version ,as it seems |
| 17:45.07 | jhutchins_wk | Not listed for bullseye for some reason. |
| 17:45.16 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 17:45.21 | annadane | well, testing packages can get removed |
| 17:45.23 | greycat | yes it is. |
| 17:45.28 | greycat | bullseye: 2:2.0.12+ds1-1; |
| 17:45.54 | H2Q | do I need to add something to sources file? |
| 17:46.17 | H2Q | because currently it gives not compatible message |
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| 17:47.59 | H2Q | I am using stretch |
| 17:48.51 | greycat | That would have been nice to know earlier. I already closed my google search tab because most of the bugs results were talking about older versions. Like stretch. |
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| 17:49.00 | greycat | #909000 |
| 17:49.01 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/909000 in enigmail (closed): «Enigmail 2.0 needed in Stretch after Thunderbird 60 upload»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-09-17; last modified: 2019-06-02. |
| 17:49.25 | greycat | of course, judd says there's already a 2.0.x in stretch, so *shrug* |
| 17:49.36 | jhutchins_wk | D'Oh! |
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| 17:50.52 | greycat | Running an older-than-stable release of Debian on a desktop system, and then expecting fancy big-GUI applications to work properly, is really stretching things. No pun intended. |
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| 17:51.20 | H2Q | is stretch already 'old'? |
| 17:51.26 | greycat | !buster |
| 17:51.26 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 17:51.36 | greycat | About 6 months. |
| 17:51.37 | b1ack0p | !bastard :p |
| 17:51.48 | H2Q | yeah |
| 17:52.01 | H2Q | ok what can I do for fixing this on stretch? it is definitely not old. |
| 17:52.11 | b1ack0p | oh i didnt know this > "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story |
| 17:52.19 | greycat | I'd start by reading that bug report. And then maybe reading other bug reports about these two packages. |
| 17:52.56 | H2Q | maybe there is a one-liner to fix this for people like me |
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| 17:53.19 | greycat | the one-liner would be "dpkg, stretch->buster" |
| 17:53.44 | H2Q | ok, maybe someone else can suggest another option |
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| 17:56.37 | greycat | !crickets |
| 17:56.37 | dpkg | chirps |
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| 17:58.38 | H2Q | so enigmail being disabled is a known unsolved issue with stretch, then |
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| 17:59.02 | greycat | Do not take silence for agreement. |
| 17:59.11 | greycat | Nobody knows, or nobody cares. Or both. |
| 17:59.37 | H2Q | nobody cares but nobody cares enough to be here. interesting |
| 17:59.55 | greycat | Any sane person would just upgrade to the current stable release. |
| 18:00.31 | H2Q | since when is it called insanity not to use the only 6 month-old current version? |
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| 18:00.38 | H2Q | as far as debian is concerned |
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| 18:00.58 | greycat | It is not "6 months old". It BECAME OBSOLETE 6 MONTHS AGO. |
| 18:01.01 | H2Q | a while ago, if I said that myself here, I'd be bashed |
| 18:01.03 | greycat | !stretch |
| 18:01.04 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 18:01.07 | greycat | !stretch freeze |
| 18:01.07 | ksk | talking about that does not solve your problem, does it? whats so insane about updating anyways? :> |
| 18:01.07 | dpkg | Stretch is frozen as of 2017-02-05; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg00001.html or <freeze>, <slushy>. |
| 18:01.21 | greycat | It is almost THREE YEARS old, by freeze date. Minus a month. |
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| 18:01.52 | H2Q | when did buster come out, or whatever that is called? |
| 18:01.55 | greycat | !buster |
| 18:01.55 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 18:02.00 | greycat | 6 months ago. |
| 18:02.58 | H2Q | and since when is the previous release becoming obsolete the moment the next one comes out? |
| 18:03.21 | drGspot | any news on ppc64eb...? ppc64el is in release, ppc32 droped from release few years ago, just heard that in april ppc64eb could also drop... this evening we just have an discussion on #powerPcGnuLinuxNotebook on the issue |
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| 18:04.57 | H2Q | does "obsolete" mean no more updates/maintenance for stretch? |
| 18:05.33 | ksk | H2Q: first of all, debian stable means not changing. meaning that with the freeze (of stretch) no software will get updated besides security updates |
| 18:06.04 | greycat | (and one can see from judd's output that a new version of enigmail DID go into stretch post-release) |
| 18:06.25 | greycat | stretch-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb9u1; stretch: 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1; |
| 18:06.59 | greycat | (so this was clearly one of the exceptional cases where a rule was bent) |
| 18:06.59 | H2Q | ksk, then buster is frozen since 6.7.2019, too, right? |
| 18:07.07 | ksk | you came here for help with enigmal in stretch - but it seems nobody is using that software on that debian release. We suggest you update to buster. |
| 18:07.32 | ksk | !buster freeze |
| 18:07.32 | dpkg | Buster will start the freeze process on 2019-01-12 see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/04/msg00006.html or ask me about <freeze>, <slushy>. |
| 18:08.17 | H2Q | so currently both stretch and buster are "frozen", hence getting the same limited level of updates, right? |
| 18:08.22 | ksk | a freeze is always before the relase, halve a year maybe? In that time the release team tries to remove any known bugs and testing can be done with a non-changing environment |
| 18:08.52 | greycat | dpkg, buster freeze =~ s/will start/started/ |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:09.05 | ksk | what makes you say that? I dont think anything said in here indicates that. |
| 18:09.58 | ksk | Buster is stable, so it has full support. Stretch is oldstable, and will be supported by the debian core team until mid 2020 - and by the LTS team after that |
| 18:10.07 | H2Q | ok |
| 18:10.13 | H2Q | that was what I was after to hear |
| 18:10.23 | H2Q | so it is still supported. that was my question above |
| 18:10.28 | jhutchins_wk | That does not mean it will get new packages, or packages with updated features. |
| 18:10.34 | ksk | H2Q: see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 18:10.58 | jhutchins_wk | ,v thunderbird |
| 18:10.59 | judd | Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:60.8.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:60.9.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:60.9.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:60.9.0-1; jessie-security: 1:68.3.0-2~deb8u1; stretch-security: 1:68.3.0-2~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 1:68.3.0-2~deb10u1; buster-security: 1:68.3.0-2~deb10u1; sid: 1:68.3.1-1 |
| 18:11.18 | H2Q | the way it was projected earlier above was as if it was insane -as it was literally expressed- to use stretch by now |
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| 18:12.47 | H2Q | anyway. the summary; if I want to use enigmail, go to buster. else it is good to go to buster, too. |
| 18:13.02 | jhutchins_wk | Perhaps instead of arguing in circles about debian update policies, we should look at the actual problem. What causes a "not compatible" message to be displayed? Which program displays it? What is the actual text that's displayed? What does enigmail and/or thunderbird support say is required? |
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| 18:13.27 | H2Q | jhutchins_wk, i can post the output |
| 18:13.32 | greycat | jhutchins_wk: you might also ask them to report what versions of enigmail and thunderbird are installed |
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| 18:13.51 | greycat | I'm not convinced they're even using the correct sources.list at this point. There were NO details given. |
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| 18:15.59 | H2Q | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/ba215be6/ |
| 18:15.59 | jhutchins_wk | H2Q: Yes, include the versions and where you got them. Possibly pastebin your sources.list. |
| 18:16.07 | H2Q | jhutchins_wk ^ |
| 18:17.26 | H2Q | jhutchins_wk, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/400228f7/ |
| 18:18.25 | jhutchins_wk | H2Q: And what's the installed version of thunderbird? |
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| 18:19.05 | H2Q | jhutchins_wk Thunderbird 68.3.0 |
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| 18:19.28 | H2Q | jhutchins_wk the system has the enigmail package v. 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1 |
| 18:20.36 | ksk | mhhm, that would imply a version suitable for enigmail. what does "dpkg -l thunderbird" say? |
| 18:21.51 | H2Q | ksk, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a909cc01/ |
| 18:22.31 | gfggfgg | Lol |
| 18:22.31 | ksk | mhhm, that does not add up at all, if you asked me :( |
| 18:22.37 | gfggfgg | Hi all |
| 18:23.18 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i hi |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | installs hi into gfggfgg's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 18:23.54 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i thunderbird |
| 18:23.54 | dpkg | package thunderbird is already installed |
| 18:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | It _looks_ like a packaging/dependency error. |
| 18:24.18 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i irssi |
| 18:24.18 | dpkg | package irssi is already installed |
| 18:24.42 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i nc; whois |
| 18:24.42 | dpkg | removes a lung from gfggfgg and replaces it with nc; whois |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | please stop |
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| 18:24.52 | jhutchins_wk | gfggfgg: Please stop abusing the bot. |
| 18:25.13 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i virtualbox |
| 18:25.14 | dpkg | package virtualbox is already installed |
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| 18:25.27 | greycat | Please stop. |
| 18:25.44 | gfggfgg | dpkg -i android-sdk |
| 18:25.44 | dpkg | removes a lung from gfggfgg and replaces it with android-sdk |
| 18:25.49 | gfggfgg | Ok |
| 18:25.54 | gfggfgg | Ssup |
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| 18:26.02 | seere | H2Q: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy enigmail" |
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| 18:26.50 | diogenes_ | heh i'd have already been kicked for that. |
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| 18:28.18 | H2Q | seere, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/eed32e58/ |
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| 18:32.48 | seere | H2Q: and the same for "apt-cache policy thunderbird" |
| 18:33.39 | H2Q | seere, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6412f526/ |
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| 18:38.23 | seere | H2Q: looks a little bit weird, should work according to what I see. Wait a minute - just installing a fresh stretch system. |
| 18:39.00 | H2Q | seere, sure, thank you |
| 18:40.16 | Brohamulous | W00t ! W00t Debian voted option B for init not as good as option A but better than option F. Maybe I don't have to move to MacOSX or OpenBSD aftterall. |
| 18:40.44 | Brohamulous | Systemd is a windows-like plague on the earth. Linux is becoming windows corrupted by corporations |
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| 18:45.37 | JordiGH | Hm, is there really nothing in Debian that can interpret Applesoft Basic? |
| 18:47.45 | JordiGH | ,v bwbasic |
| 18:47.46 | judd | Package: bwbasic on amd64 -- jessie: 2.20pl2-11; bullseye: 2.20pl2-11+b2; buster: 2.20pl2-11+b2; sid: 2.20pl2-11+b2; stretch: 2.20pl2-11+b2 |
| 18:48.35 | joepublic | I'd love to see freebasic in debian, but am not holding my breath. |
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| 18:50.21 | seere | H2Q: can confirm that on a fresh stretch install. |
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| 18:52.43 | H2Q | seere, have the same error? |
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| 18:52.56 | seere | H2Q: yes. |
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| 18:55.58 | seere | H2Q: file a bug report. |
| 18:56.34 | H2Q | seere, right, I can do it |
| 18:56.53 | H2Q | seere, everyone, thank you for your time and help |
| 18:57.22 | Dibejzer | Hey guys, a quick queestion, if someone has time. Been installing everything with SUDO, and thing ain't going great... About to do the clean installation of debian. Should desktop manger, window manager and x11 be installed with sudo? |
| 18:57.43 | gry | why not? |
| 18:57.52 | seere | H2Q: looks a little bit strange - according to the direct deps it SHOULD install |
| 18:57.57 | Dibejzer | I have no idea |
| 18:57.58 | greycat | Installing packages requires root. Whether you do that with su, with sudo, or by logging in directly as root, makes no difference. |
| 18:58.05 | gry | Dibejzer: are you installing from debian packages? |
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| 18:58.16 | Dibejzer | gry i'm going with a minimal install of Debian |
| 18:58.19 | gry | Dibejzer: it is normal to install debian packages using sudo |
| 18:58.30 | Dibejzer | Not gonna lie, I'm still pretty low on the learning curve with this linux thingie |
| 18:58.38 | Dibejzer | gry: really? |
| 18:58.47 | greycat | Installing packages requires root. Whether you do that with su, with sudo, or by logging in directly as root, makes no difference. |
| 18:58.47 | Dibejzer | i've been told that it should be avoided as often as possible |
| 18:59.09 | gry | Dibejzer: i write 'sudo apt install <package name>' all the time; who says it should be avoided? maybe i do not know something |
| 18:59.25 | Dibejzer | gry: Some other nerd on the #Linux channel |
| 18:59.30 | Dibejzer | I don't know :D |
| 18:59.35 | gry | Dibejzer: do you remember their nickname? |
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| 18:59.54 | greycat | It's also quite possible you misunderstood. |
| 18:59.55 | Dibejzer | gry: Nope, was a few weeks ago |
| 19:00.09 | greycat | They might have been saying something like "don't stay logged in as root all the time". |
| 19:00.12 | Dibejzer | well i pretty much ended up having to type my password whatever I do |
| 19:00.16 | Dibejzer | even if i'm accessing my home |
| 19:00.25 | greycat | what |
| 19:00.26 | Dibejzer | also, wine won't work because of the permissions for the .wine folder |
| 19:00.30 | Dibejzer | and i can't chown it |
| 19:00.45 | Dibejzer | so... sudo is not bad after all? |
| 19:00.49 | gry | no |
| 19:00.52 | greycat | this sounds like you tried to run wine AS ROOT in the past, and it created a .wine as root inside your non-root home. |
| 19:01.00 | Dibejzer | like, it's okay to install stuff as root instead of locally? |
| 19:01.02 | greycat | Do not run graphical things as root. |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | Meanwhile, sudo rm -rf ~/.wine might not be a bad move. |
| 19:01.22 | gry | installing debian packages as root is ok |
| 19:01.28 | Dibejzer | i tried rm -rf several times |
| 19:01.30 | Dibejzer | no luck |
| 19:01.47 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 19:01.47 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 19:01.50 | gry | show what you are trying to run |
| 19:01.56 | gry | and what error message does it tell you |
| 19:02.00 | Dibejzer | just a sec :) |
| 19:02.05 | gry | thanks :-) |
| 19:03.47 | Dibejzer | well basically wine path/to/program.exe ain't working |
| 19:03.54 | Dibejzer | The installation stops |
| 19:04.02 | Dibejzer | because the app has no permissions for the drive Z |
| 19:05.37 | Dibejzer | also, i need to type SU password whenever I'm accessing my user's home |
| 19:05.57 | Dibejzer | dunno where those trust issues stem from |
| 19:05.58 | gry | show the command you are running |
| 19:06.00 | gry | and the error message |
| 19:06.15 | gry | put it to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:07.18 | Dibejzer | it's not pasteable |
| 19:07.19 | Dibejzer | but |
| 19:07.27 | Dibejzer | I do get a pop up window |
| 19:07.28 | Dibejzer | saying |
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| 19:07.44 | Dibejzer | Setup wasa unable to create the directory "Z:\Games". Error 5: Access denied |
| 19:08.15 | Dibejzer | command is nothing but wine /home/milos/Documents/setup.exe |
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| 19:09.53 | diogenes_ | Dibejzer, ls -l $HOME |
| 19:09.56 | seere | H2Q: Got it, as info for your bug report. The stretch thunderbird has "breaks: enigmail (<< 2:2.1.2~)" in it's dependencies, so enigmail from the repos could not be installed along with it. |
| 19:10.18 | gry | Dibejzer: you're not running that wine command as root, are you? |
| 19:10.19 | Kohlrabi | <Dibejzer> also, i need to type SU password whenever I'm accessing my user's home | that sounds pretty broken, you have probably inadvertently changed the permissions/owner of your homedirectory |
| 19:10.25 | mutante | that's a lot of k-lines at once |
| 19:10.28 | gry | Dibejzer: or as sudo |
| 19:10.32 | Dibejzer | diogenes_: you want me to coppy everything? |
| 19:10.39 | diogenes_ | Dibejzer, pastebin. |
| 19:10.48 | Dibejzer | gry: i tried it both ways, tbh i've been throwing that sudo like crazy, first linux run |
| 19:11.18 | gry | Dibejzer: move your ~/.wine to ~/.wine.1, and run it again, this time without sudo |
| 19:11.19 | Dibejzer | diogenes_: http://paste.debian.net/1124380 |
| 19:11.28 | ksk | as the grey cat pointed out, this will be the reason of your problems. first delete .wine (with sudo) then start again by calling wine as user |
| 19:11.29 | Kohlrabi | for starters, try to only use sudo when installing or removing something with apt. If something else doesn't work, try to find out *why* first, and do not resort to using sudo immediately. And avoid looking at the Ubuntu wiki, most answers there make pointless use of sudo. |
| 19:11.48 | gry | Dibejzer: i haven't seen wine being run as root before |
| 19:11.51 | gry | Dibejzer: it has all C:/ drive in your home directory |
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| 19:12.05 | gry | Dibejzer: so if you want another user to use the same application, they install it separately |
| 19:12.06 | Kohlrabi | sorry, not Ubuntu wiki, but Ubuntu stackexchange |
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| 19:12.45 | Dibejzer | phew |
| 19:13.03 | Dibejzer | lemme process that for a sec |
| 19:13.10 | seere | wishes packages.debian.org would display Breaks: together with the other deps |
| 19:13.28 | Dibejzer | ksk: tried that, ain't working |
| 19:13.33 | Dibejzer | sudo, no sudo, same thing happnes |
| 19:13.45 | ksk | Dibejzer: and what did not work, and how? |
| 19:13.55 | Dibejzer | ksk: same error happnes |
| 19:13.59 | ksk | did you, first of all, delete ~/.wine, and after that made sure it does not exist anymore? |
| 19:14.00 | Dibejzer | gonna try the gry's solution now |
| 19:14.31 | Kohlrabi | again, if you cannot access your home without being su you have "bigger" problems than wine not working |
| 19:14.43 | ksk | thats not at all what he said. |
| 19:15.03 | greycat | 14:00 Dibejzer> well i pretty much ended up having to type my password whatever I do 14:00 Dibejzer> even if i'm accessing my home |
| 19:15.10 | greycat | I'm still not sure what that MEANS. |
| 19:15.11 | Dibejzer | ksk: multiple times, yes |
| 19:15.15 | gry | ksk: i suggested to move ~/.wine to ~/.wine.1 and start again |
| 19:15.22 | gry | ksk: without sudo |
| 19:15.27 | ksk | eeeh. will not help if he cannot access $HOME |
| 19:15.33 | Dibejzer | Kohlrabi: yeah, i've been told that before, that's why i want a fresh start |
| 19:15.34 | gry | ksk: true |
| 19:15.44 | gry | Dibejzer: you can fix it without reinstall, i think |
| 19:15.50 | Dibejzer | that's why i'm asking about doing things with "su" |
| 19:15.54 | Dibejzer | without* |
| 19:15.59 | greycat | If you could tell us what the actual problem IS, we could probably help you solve it. |
| 19:16.01 | ksk | Dibejzer: sooo, please paste "ls -la $HOME" (you missed the a the first pasted, not sure if you were told to use it..) |
| 19:16.19 | gry | greycat: he said the actual problem above |
| 19:16.20 | Dibejzer | just a sec :) |
| 19:16.27 | greycat | gry: not clearly enough for me to understand |
| 19:16.48 | ksk | Dibejzer: also add in the output of "id" please |
| 19:16.51 | greycat | I need "here's the output of ls -la" or "when I do ___ the computer says ___" |
| 19:16.53 | jhutchins_wk | It's probably not a bad idea to read the sudo manpage. |
| 19:17.00 | gry | greycat: "I run `wine /home/milos/Documents/setup.exe` and it says error `Setup wasa unable to create the directory "Z:\Games". Error 5: Access denied` in a popup dialog" |
| 19:17.06 | jhutchins_wk | ... lost in the scrollbuffer again. |
| 19:17.15 | gry | jhutchins_wk: hi! |
| 19:17.23 | Dibejzer | manpage? |
| 19:17.32 | greycat | I don't know wine well enough to help with that. I'm more worried about the OTHER vague stuff like "I need to type my password to access my home". |
| 19:17.41 | greycat | Does that simply mean they are logging in? Or whaT? |
| 19:17.44 | Dibejzer | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/1124385/ |
| 19:17.48 | jhutchins_wk | just type man sudo in a console window. |
| 19:17.59 | gry | Dibejzer: could you please clarify this for greycat |
| 19:18.05 | Akuw__ | in this line deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./ what means ./ ? |
| 19:18.09 | greycat | drwx------ 3 root root 4096 Ñеп 18 20:41 .dbus |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Ñеп 18 20:41 .gvfs |
| 19:18.17 | Akuw__ | i mean, point and slash |
| 19:18.17 | greycat | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Ð¾ÐºÑ 20 12:49 .jajaja |
| 19:18.53 | greycat | sudo chown -R milos:milos ~/.dbus ~/.gvfs ~/.jajaja |
| 19:18.56 | Dibejzer | greycat: I'm sorry, I'm a linux newbie. Basically, i pretty much have to do everything with sudo |
| 19:18.59 | jhutchins_wk | Dibejzer: does Z: exist? |
| 19:19.00 | Dibejzer | adding, removing folders |
| 19:19.01 | Dibejzer | in my home |
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| 19:19.11 | gry | Dibejzer: this is not normal |
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| 19:19.29 | Dibejzer | yeah, i suspect that i effed up something along the way |
| 19:19.35 | ksk | Dibejzer: you should slow down, really. You dont ever have to do anything with sudo, apart from managing the system ( installing, updating packages) |
| 19:19.54 | gry | Dibejzer: what about 'ls -la /home' ? |
| 19:20.07 | Dibejzer | ksk: Yeah, thought so |
| 19:20.27 | greycat | gry: I don't think that'll be necessary. We have "." from the ls -la $HOME already. |
| 19:20.29 | Dibejzer | Someone here advised me some time ago that I shouldn't even install programs as sudo, but do the "make" thingy locally |
| 19:20.33 | Dibejzer | is that correct or not? |
| 19:20.43 | ksk | gry: he pasted that already (kind of..) - since he can "ls -la $HOME" there seems to be +x on the way ;) |
| 19:20.53 | greycat | sudo chown -R milos:milos ~/.dbus ~/.gvfs ~/.jajaja |
| 19:21.07 | ksk | Dibejzer: one problem/question after another please. |
| 19:21.09 | gry | greycat: i see, thanks for showing that |
| 19:21.12 | greycat | and he can probably just remove that rc.local file |
| 19:21.15 | Dibejzer | greycat: I sudoed that |
| 19:21.32 | gry | Dibejzer: does that wine command still fail now? |
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| 19:21.45 | Dibejzer | rc.local |
| 19:21.45 | greycat | ~/.dbus is important enough you will at *least* want to log out and back in after fixing it. Maybe even reboot. |
| 19:21.45 | apt | okay, greycat |
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| 19:21.48 | Dibejzer | i remember that vaguely |
| 19:21.54 | Dibejzer | i think i did something with function keys there |
| 19:21.56 | Dibejzer | or start up |
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| 19:22.35 | Dibejzer | oh yeah, rc.local gives me the choice of languages |
| 19:22.36 | Dibejzer | #setxkbmap us,rs,rs -variant ,latin, -option grp: alt_shift_toggle |
| 19:22.40 | Dibejzer | this is the content |
| 19:22.45 | Dibejzer | wasn't able to do it more pretty lol |
| 19:23.14 | ksk | if you have a fully features desktop installed, I would think it has an option to set somewhere in its GUI |
| 19:23.34 | ksk | things like defining hotkeys, setting languages etc. |
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| 19:23.41 | Dibejzer | i'm running i3wm |
| 19:23.45 | Dibejzer | it's kinda empty |
| 19:23.56 | ksk | kk, that is not "fully featured", but nice ;) |
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| 19:24.18 | Dibejzer | love the simplicity, but was a hell to set up |
| 19:24.24 | Dibejzer | so, i should restart after the latest changes |
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| 19:25.01 | ksk | about the other question: you should always install stuff via "apt", and really never compile stuff yourself with "make" - for serveral reason. Everything you get via apt is coming from debian, so you can expect it to be stable and secure. |
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| 19:25.24 | Dibejzer | what's the difference between apt and-get ? |
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| 19:25.30 | Dibejzer | and apt-get* |
| 19:25.40 | greycat | !apt vs. apt-get |
| 19:25.40 | dpkg | apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting. |
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| 19:25.52 | ksk | In contrast, if you download "some sourcecode" from the internet and compile it, anything could happen (you just installed a virus, whatver) - not easy to tell if you dont understand C/linux/computers and putin a lot of time and effort |
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| 19:26.04 | Dibejzer | !who killed marrylin monroe |
| 19:26.10 | Dibejzer | ha, it doesn't listen to me |
| 19:26.32 | ksk | dpkg does not discriminate. seems it does not know an answer to that though :P |
| 19:26.32 | dpkg | ksk: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 19:26.46 | greycat | it's also terrible at counting |
| 19:27.09 | Dibejzer | !count |
| 19:27.09 | dpkg | [count] what apt doesn't. |
| 19:27.15 | Dibejzer | :O |
| 19:27.34 | Dibejzer | cool stuff |
| 19:28.05 | Dibejzer | think i'm gonna kill this ubuntu abomination anyway |
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| 19:28.26 | Dibejzer | so, sudo is okay |
| 19:28.27 | Dibejzer | okay |
| 19:28.35 | Dibejzer | Thanks a lot guys, wish me luck |
| 19:28.43 | gry | run that wine command without sudo |
| 19:28.50 | gry | after your reboot |
| 19:28.57 | Dibejzer | will try to :) |
| 19:29.00 | Dibejzer | brb |
| 19:29.16 | greycat | 14:28 Dibejzer> think i'm gonna kill this ubuntu abomination anyway |
| 19:29.17 | greycat | wut |
| 19:29.19 | ksk | he is running ubuntu, isnt he? ;) |
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| 19:35.37 | Dibejzer | nah, chowning did not work |
| 19:35.41 | Dibejzer | gonna murder it now |
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| 19:35.50 | Dibejzer | thanks guys <3 |
| 19:35.59 | greycat | This time install Debian instead of Ubuntu. Or go to #ubuntu for support. |
| 19:36.00 | ksk | Dibejzer: again, "did not work" does not help at all |
| 19:36.04 | greycat | too late. |
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| 19:36.40 | ratrace | rampant ADHD |
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| 20:06.09 | Mazhive | how do you correclty change a folder with drwsr-sr-x to drwxr-xr-x |
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| 20:06.47 | Guest11 | hello human being I am looking for a song which sounds like Nijibo Nijibo La La La La La or Nidschibo Nidschibo Na na Na Na Na Na Na. Someone know the name? |
| 20:06.48 | greycat | chmod g-s # because the setuid bit does nothing and you just ignore it |
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| 20:09.56 | Mazhive | super thanx.. |
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| 20:28.26 | karlpinc | The setgid bit does nothing only sometimes. (I like my pam_umask to turn on user private groups.) |
| 20:28.55 | greycat | I was speaking ONLY about directories. |
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| 20:29.18 | greycat | The setuid bit on a directory does nothing. The setgid bit causes new things created inside the directory to inherit the parent dir group. |
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| 20:30.00 | karlpinc | Ah. I didn't notice he had setuid on his directory as well. |
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| 20:43.30 | Slimmy | Xkeyboard extension not present on the xserver, why do I get this while opening wireshark? |
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| 20:44.06 | greycat | at a guess, you are trying to run wireshark as user A while logged in to X as user B |
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| 20:44.55 | Slimmy | huh??? How can I log in to x as A then? Cause I only got one user |
| 20:45.17 | Slimmy | I am through vnc though, so it could make sense |
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| 20:45.54 | greycat | very often in situations like that, one of the two users in question is root |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | the whole concept of "run a graphical application as root" is broken and will only get more broken before it gets better |
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| 20:46.52 | Slimmy | Yeah, running as root gets me the same result.. |
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| 21:22.25 | maccraft123 | is anyone good here at recovering data? |
| 21:22.48 | maccraft123 | i accidentaly overwritten a gparted live dvd on one of drives in my software raid0 array |
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| 21:23.16 | maccraft123 | i just need mbr, the data partition is fine. i have placed a 4gb swap partition at the beginning of disk |
| 21:23.27 | greycat | !fixmbr |
| 21:23.27 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 21:23.39 | maccraft123 | greycat: i need partition table |
| 21:24.22 | greycat | when you say "data partition is fine", does that mean you know where it begins and ends? |
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| 21:24.47 | maccraft123 | greycat: it is definetly not overlapping with gparted image |
| 21:25.02 | maccraft123 | system runs fine, no io errors |
| 21:25.09 | greycat | you will have to know the start and end of the partition to create its entry in the partition table |
| 21:25.16 | maccraft123 | how to know it? |
| 21:25.27 | maccraft123 | is it printed in kernel message buffer? |
| 21:25.44 | greycat | either you have a stored copy of the partition table from before, e.g. you dumped fdisk -l to a file and backed it up, or you find some kind of forensic tool that scans for file system signatures |
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| 21:26.14 | slimefoot | if it's GPT, there might be a copy of the partition table at the end, but I don't know much more |
| 21:26.16 | maccraft123 | greycat: https://superuser.com/questions/1044576/accidentally-overwrote-wrong-disk-with-dd-how-to-recover first answer, can it help? |
| 21:26.26 | maccraft123 | slimefoot: it is 500gb mbr disk |
| 21:26.35 | maccraft123 | i have done same partition tables on both drives |
| 21:26.55 | maccraft123 | large boot/swap at the beginning, then data partition reaching the end of drive |
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| 21:29.28 | slimefoot | maccraft123: the output I get in /sys/class/block/${disk}p$part/{start,size} at least matches with what fdisk -l gives me, so if you can get that information, I'd certainly note it down somewhere |
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| 21:29.57 | maccraft123 | slimefoot: then, the mbr is the same on both drives |
| 21:30.09 | maccraft123 | apart from some uuid or something |
| 21:30.55 | greycat | if you believe that to be the case, then create partitions on the damaged drive that match the ones on the intact drive, and pray |
| 21:31.35 | maccraft123 | /sys data is the same |
| 21:31.41 | b1ack0p | maccraft123: are u here? O.o |
| 21:31.44 | slimefoot | "the mbr is the same on both drives"? I thought this was raid0, i.e. a single disk as far as the partitions are concerned |
| 21:32.01 | greycat | they *could* have set matching partitions, and then done RAID 0 across them |
| 21:32.10 | maccraft123 | i have software raid0 |
| 21:32.14 | greycat | there are many, many ways to do it |
| 21:32.15 | slimefoot | ah, I see |
| 21:32.50 | maccraft123 | 4gb data/swap partition and raid partition reaching the end of drive |
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| 21:34.34 | maccraft123 | ok i have uuids in /etc/fstab |
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| 21:41.24 | maccraft123 | well guys |
| 21:41.32 | maccraft123 | fixed it :D |
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| 21:42.27 | maccraft123 | greycat: it works :D thanks |
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| 21:58.53 | pthreat | Hello I am having serious problems trying to install a debian 10 net install iso image on my computer https://pasteboard.co/IOjrtPr.png |
| 22:00.04 | pthreat | The computer has an integrated radeon vega 11 graphics card it is connected through HDMI |
| 22:00.55 | pthreat | The initial install screen shows fine, when I select the install option what is described on the image I pasted above happens |
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| 22:08.08 | pthreat | Solved by setting vga=771 |
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| 22:11.41 | Labu | pthreat you can load some firmware before install. otherwise you can perform install with vga option and install the drivers after |
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| 22:14.14 | pthreat | Labu: It's ok, it was just the vga mode I'll see what comes up after the install |
| 22:14.19 | pthreat | I couldn't even install anything |
| 22:14.33 | ALowther | I have written the Debian ISO to a USB. I plugged it into an old computer of mine and it saw the USB but did not offer any boot options. I plugged the same drive into my laptop and it booted right into the installer. I have been doing some reading and I am wondering if my computer is old and doesn't support UEFI, causing the issue. Would that make sense? |
| 22:14.44 | ALowther | If so, what are my options to install Debian on the older computer? |
| 22:14.57 | ksk | ALowther: you dont need UEFI to install debian |
| 22:15.11 | ksk | check the bios on how to enable booting from usb |
| 22:15.33 | ksk | if its not like a Pentium 2 it should be able to boot from usb. |
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| 22:16.04 | ALowther | ksk: Do I need to install a different ISO? I went through all of the BIOS options yesterday and saw nothing related that fixed the issue. In the GRUB shell I was able to detect the drive and the ISO partition. |
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| 22:16.34 | ksk | !usb install |
| 22:16.34 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 22:16.50 | ALowther | !plop |
| 22:16.50 | dpkg | Plop Boot Manager is a boot loader with built-in IDE CD-ROM and USB drivers. This allows booting from CD-ROM and USB on legacy PC systems without BIOS support. Plop Boot Manager is proprietary but free for personal and non-commercial use. http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ |
| 22:17.16 | dvs | ALowther, it depends on how you wrote the ISO to the USB drive. |
| 22:17.17 | ksk | again, I doubt your computer does not support that. How did you put the image onto the stick? |
| 22:17.24 | ALowther | dvs: With dd |
| 22:17.48 | dvs | What was the command? |
| 22:17.52 | ALowther | dd if=debian.iso out=/dev/sda2 bs=8m |
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| 22:18.01 | dvs | wrong |
| 22:18.07 | ksk | cut the 2 :P |
| 22:18.07 | dvs | /dev/sda |
| 22:18.25 | ksk | it will replace any partitions on the stick, so have a backup ;) |
| 22:18.35 | dvs | ALowther, whatever is on the USB drive will be erased. |
| 22:18.40 | ALowther | It's a USB dedicated for it so that's fine. |
| 22:19.22 | ALowther | Any idea why the installer properly loaded on my laptop if I incorrectly wrote it? |
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| 22:19.41 | ALowther | Oh |
| 22:19.45 | ALowther | Nvm, I wrote it correctly |
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| 22:19.55 | ALowther | dd if=debian.iso out=/dev/disk2 bs=8m |
| 22:20.18 | pedromrgoncalves | hi all! |
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| 22:20.44 | pedromrgoncalves | any1 knows how can i send image from debian (no gui) to usb display? |
| 22:21.44 | pedromrgoncalves | i've got it connected but ony displays some post boot messages |
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| 22:26.40 | pthreat | ALowther: I just cp debian.iso to /dev/sdX and it worked :P |
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| 22:28.01 | dvs | no sync? naughty! |
| 22:29.03 | pthreat | dvs sync after of course |
| 22:30.24 | pthreat | :) |
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| 22:32.24 | ALowther | pthreat: I'm not sure. I will give that a shot. |
| 22:32.47 | pthreat | ALowther: I just read it from the manual I wasn't sure either I used to use dd |
| 22:33.39 | ALowther | pthreat: I imagine the power of dd has to do with block sizing, I'm not sure. I don't understand much at that level of a drive. |
| 22:33.42 | karlpinc | Too bad pderomrgoncalves is so impatient. |
| 22:34.14 | ksk | does not matter if you use dd or cp - cp just has better default values |
| 22:34.18 | karlpinc | ALowther: If you're installing debian the non-free isos that include non-free firmware are really handy. |
| 22:34.22 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 22:34.22 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:34.37 | pthreat | karlpinc: well, copying an iso image out of the blind depends on skill, or an ssh connection to that machine |
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| 22:37.16 | ALowther | karlpinc: Hmmm, thank you. |
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| 22:38.01 | andyjpb | Hi peeps! |
| 22:38.17 | andyjpb | I've had ls and an alias for ls -F for a couple of decades |
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| 22:38.38 | andyjpb | but now I've upgraded from Jessie to Buster it keeps appending the type characters to the file names even when I use it in a pipe |
| 22:38.56 | andyjpb | does anyone know why this behaviour has changed or if I should be invoking it a different way? |
| 22:39.28 | ALowther | "cp: debian-10.2.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso: could not copy extended attributes to /dev/disk2: Operation not permitted" Any insight? |
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| 22:39.43 | ALowther | This happened after it ran for about 5 minutes. |
| 22:40.20 | ksk | andyjpb: not a reasonable thing to pipe ls output in the first place.. |
| 22:40.38 | andyjpb | ksk: wot? --color has explicit support for it |
| 22:40.45 | ksk | !parsingls |
| 22:40.54 | ksk | okay, we are not in #bash, nevermind :D |
| 22:40.58 | andyjpb | in a pipe it just ouputs file names, one per line |
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| 22:42.26 | ksk | you would expect the indicator to disapper if you pipe the output (to less, for example)? |
| 22:42.45 | ksk | tbh, I had to lookup that switch ;) |
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| 22:43.23 | pthreat | what's wrong with alias ls="ls -1F --color=always" |
| 22:44.52 | ksk | ah, the famous -1 - also indicating you are parsing ls :P |
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| 22:44.57 | pthreat | also the default behavior does not appends the slash characters ? At least I don't get that and I am on debian 10 |
| 22:45.10 | ksk | no, -F is not default. |
| 22:45.12 | andyjpb | pthreat: is emits color escape sequences when you put it in a pipe |
| 22:45.28 | pthreat | andyjpb: what are you piping it against |
| 22:45.31 | pthreat | maybe I can try |
| 22:45.36 | andyjpb | pthreat: anything and everythig |
| 22:45.44 | ksk | on the topic: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 22:45.45 | pthreat | alright let's see, grep ? |
| 22:45.51 | andyjpb | I use it a lot to get a list of filenames into a file that I can then edit and pipe into something else |
| 22:46.09 | andyjpb | and things like for f in `ls *.JPG` ; do |
| 22:46.30 | pthreat | let's see |
| 22:46.56 | ksk | andyjpb: please do read the linked article |
| 22:46.57 | andyjpb | hmmm.. that works because it actually invokes the ls binary directly |
| 22:47.10 | andyjpb | ksk: yeah sure... but this has worked for 20 years? |
| 22:47.47 | ksk | only if your filenames are nice and tidy. |
| 22:47.57 | andyjpb | even simple stuff like ls *~ |xargs rm becomes impossible now |
| 22:48.00 | pthreat | for x in $(ls); do echo "$x">> test_ls; done #Nope, no problem on my side, I opened with vi after |
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| 22:48.14 | andyjpb | pthreat: yeah. see my comment above |
| 22:48.17 | pthreat | andyjpb: you sure you don't have anything custom in your .bashrc file ? |
| 22:48.18 | andyjpb | it's just when you put it in a pipe |
| 22:48.27 | pthreat | Alright I'll grep |
| 22:48.28 | andyjpb | pthreat: yeah. lots. that's the point |
| 22:48.43 | andyjpb | -F used to not take effect when ls was in a pipe. |
| 22:48.53 | andyjpb | that behaviour has changed in Stretch or Buster |
| 22:49.07 | ksk | andyjpb: maybe take a look at coreutils changelog - though I suppose it could be hard to spot in there. |
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| 22:49.50 | pthreat | for x in $(ls); do echo "$x"|grep Desktop >> file;done #No problems also |
| 22:50.14 | andyjpb | oh yeah... ls quoting is now on too |
| 22:50.17 | pthreat | ls |grep Desktop > file #Also no problems |
| 22:50.17 | andyjpb | which Iguess is good? |
| 22:50.31 | andyjpb | pthreat: you want ls -F | grep Desktop |
| 22:50.34 | pthreat | Alright |
| 22:51.16 | pthreat | Yep everything good, I get Desktop/ (carriage return) Desktop-1/ |
| 22:51.27 | andyjpb | right... you used to get Desktop |
| 22:51.28 | andyjpb | not Desktop/ |
| 22:52.00 | pthreat | The -F option is for appending those slash characters tho, it's in the manual |
| 22:52.06 | andyjpb | yes |
| 22:52.15 | andyjpb | and it used to only do it when it wasn't in a pipe |
| 22:52.42 | ksk | andyjpb: nobody in here know. as I said, check the release notes or the changelog of the corutils package. |
| 22:52.53 | andyjpb | I'm looking at them now |
| 22:53.02 | pthreat | If you don't want the additional characters just don't use -F :) |
| 22:53.03 | andyjpb | the only suspicious thing is the renabling of quoting |
| 22:53.13 | andyjpb | but that seems to be a slightly different (and good) feature |
| 22:53.26 | andyjpb | pthreat: I do want the additional characters when I use it interactively |
| 22:53.33 | pthreat | I see |
| 22:53.49 | andyjpb | I used to be able to type ls bin/*~, eyeball the list and then append |xargs rm |
| 22:53.57 | ksk | "If you just want to iterate over all the files in the current directory, use a for loop and a glob" |
| 22:54.01 | ksk | I will stay silent now :X |
| 22:54.19 | pthreat | you should be using find for that tho, find ./bin/ -name "*~" -type f |xargs rm |
| 22:54.26 | pthreat | :) |
| 22:54.35 | andyjpb | ksk: sure, but this is something that has changed which implies I need to revisit 20 years worth of scripts and stuff |
| 22:55.05 | pthreat | I switched to zsh with ohmyzsh scripts |
| 22:55.07 | andyjpb | pthreat: "should be" and "has been working this way for 20 years" are kind of different |
| 22:55.09 | pthreat | it made my life easier |
| 22:55.22 | ksk | I have barely used computers for 20 years, but I am sure even back then it was a bad pattern, to parse ls ;) |
| 22:55.45 | andyjpb | no doubt |
| 22:55.56 | pthreat | ksk: depends on how you look at it |
| 22:55.57 | andyjpb | anyway, reading the changelog makes me wonder how this ever worked |
| 22:56.01 | ksk | and you know kind of see why: ls is made for humans - not for computers |
| 22:56.03 | andyjpb | I guess I'll have to suck it up |
| 22:56.18 | pthreat | andyjpb: OR switc to zsh or fish |
| 22:56.19 | pthreat | wink wink |
| 22:56.26 | pthreat | switch* |
| 22:56.33 | andyjpb | ksk: most of the use cases are "human"... interactively building up pipelines at the prompt |
| 22:56.43 | andyjpb | pthreat: same ls binary |
| 22:56.52 | pthreat | better features tho |
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| 22:57.28 | pthreat | I specially like the reverse lookup and git features |
| 22:57.55 | pthreat | and themes, and other goodies |
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| 22:58.25 | pthreat | termite + tmux + zsh + ohmyzsh FTW! |
| 22:59.15 | andyjpb | well, who knows... maybe it never worked and I just never tried running it on executable files, or even things that weren't just plain files or directories |
| 22:59.35 | andyjpb | it's one of those bugs that now I look at it I can't see how it ever worked |
| 22:59.35 | pthreat | andyjpb: use find for those types of tasks |
| 22:59.44 | andyjpb | yet it's been working... and now it doesn't... |
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| 22:59.52 | pthreat | andyjpb: what do you use it most for, deleting backup files ? |
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| 23:00.08 | andyjpb | pthreat: that kind of thing. |
| 23:00.11 | andyjpb | and processing jpgs |
| 23:00.53 | pthreat | deinitely find ./ -name "*~" -type f | xargs rm -f" |
| 23:01.12 | pthreat | find ./ -name "*~" -type f | xargs rm -f (no quote at the end) |
| 23:01.37 | pthreat | I do the same for vim swap files |
| 23:01.46 | pthreat | andyjpb: which editor is it? Emacs? |
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| 23:01.59 | andyjpb | vim |
| 23:02.04 | pthreat | Oh |
| 23:02.06 | andyjpb | I know how to do all these constructs |
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| 23:02.19 | pthreat | Then do them :D |
| 23:02.22 | andyjpb | the problem is that stuff that I'm sure was working in Jessie is not working in Buster |
| 23:02.44 | andyjpb | pthreat: as I said, it's easier said than done when there's 20 years of little scripts and stuff to check and change |
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| 23:04.16 | andyjpb | for example, see this bug on the simlar (but different) quoting issue: |
| 23:04.18 | andyjpb | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813164 |
| 23:04.19 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/813164 in coreutils (closed, patch, wontfix): «coreutils: ls suddenly quotes output»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2016-01-30; last modified: 2018-08-10. |
| 23:04.29 | andyjpb | and read about the examples of how people actually work with these tools |
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| 23:06.55 | ksk | this change in behaviour was due to a upstream change as far as I can tell |
| 23:09.07 | ksk | (mentioned also in the dont parse ls doc ;) |
| 23:09.13 | andyjpb | carefully edits the ls alias in .bashrc to avoid the SunOS conditional bits |
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| 23:12.20 | andyjpb | if I sudo apt-get install apparmor is all hell going to break loose? |
| 23:12.31 | pthreat | andyjpb: are you a developer ? |
| 23:12.34 | pthreat | seems like you are |
| 23:12.36 | pthreat | don't |
| 23:12.39 | andyjpb | ...and then sudo apt-get install apparmor-profiles-extra apparmor-utils |
| 23:12.46 | andyjpb | I am |
| 23:12.54 | joepublic | tias |
| 23:12.56 | pthreat | then don't do that it's not worth the headache |
| 23:12.59 | ratrace | andyjpb: installing AA per se won't, but installing profiles might |
| 23:13.00 | ksk | andyjpb: apparmor is part of a default debian10 install already |
| 23:13.12 | ksk | ,i apparmor |
| 23:13.13 | judd | Package apparmor (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: user-space parser utility for AppArmor. Version: 2.13.2-10; Size: 524.7k; Installed: 1833k; Homepage: http://apparmor.net/ |
| 23:13.15 | pthreat | yeah took care of disabling it |
| 23:13.30 | ratrace | ksk: utilities too? I kno it's enabled in the kernel by default (wasn't in stretch) |
| 23:13.51 | andyjpb | ksk: yeah. but as an upgrader I need to install it manually |
| 23:13.56 | andyjpb | so I figured I'd give it a go |
| 23:14.04 | andyjpb | unless there were Reasons not ot |
| 23:14.05 | andyjpb | to* |
| 23:14.21 | ratrace | andyjpb: AA is a great tool if you know how to use it. It lacks profiles so you're on your own to develop them, or adjust existing ones for your use case. |
| 23:14.38 | andyjpb | will the existing profiles do sensible things? |
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| 23:14.54 | andyjpb | or will I really need to tune them for apps and services? |
| 23:15.06 | andyjpb | (I have a laptop for my use and a colo box for serving mail and stuff) |
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| 23:15.16 | ksk | I think the profiles coming with debian per default are rather conservative |
| 23:15.17 | ratrace | andyjpb: you'll probably need to tune them. I write my own policies and use only a handful from installable profiles, and those need tuning for my use case |
| 23:15.34 | andyjpb | I didn't install it on the colo box yet because I already had enough trouble with Buster's TLS1.2 default and all the Outlook users |
| 23:16.07 | ratrace | tls1.2 is not default in buster setups afaik |
| 23:16.27 | ratrace | it's _available_ but no preinstalled config enables it exclusively |
| 23:16.51 | ksk | of course you cannot use 0.9.8 anymore.. |
| 23:16.53 | ksk | hides |
| 23:17.24 | ksk | seems apparmor-utils is also installed by default btw, apparmor suggests that package |
| 23:17.36 | andyjpb | ratrace: it's the default in openssl.cnf and there's an apt list-changes note to go with it |
| 23:17.43 | andyjpb | exim and apache override it somehow |
| 23:17.47 | andyjpb | cyrus takes it as is |
| 23:18.09 | ratrace | andyjpb: but that's irrelevant. individual daemons like apache or nginx, need to enable it AND make it exlusive (disabling tlsv1 and 1.1, for that to be a problem) |
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| 23:18.19 | andyjpb | ksk: yeah. weirdly it also suggests apparmor-profiles-extra but not apparmor-profiles |
| 23:18.29 | ratrace | afaik, no daemon in debian enables 1.2 exclusively |
| 23:18.37 | ratrace | (that'd be very breaky if it did) |
| 23:18.47 | andyjpb | ratrace: in cyrus you can't enable non tls1.2 stuff unless you change openssl.cnf |
| 23:18.54 | andyjpb | ratrace: cyrus does |
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| 23:20.08 | ksk | mhhm, thats strange, I dont have -extra on that machine over here.. |
| 23:20.10 | ksk | but yeah, its in suggests. |
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| 23:20.33 | andyjpb | so... is pigz a drop-in replacement for gzip or should I profile it with my workload first? The details in the man page about how it does the parallelism suggest it'll create slightly larger files |
| 23:20.43 | andyjpb | ...are they decompressible with zcat and gzip? |
| 23:20.55 | ksk | andyjpb: they are. |
| 23:21.34 | andyjpb | thanks |
| 23:21.45 | ksk | we once replaced gzip with pigz for packing huge numbers of mysql dumps, because of performance. we had no issues as far as I know |
| 23:22.00 | andyjpb | tops |
| 23:22.05 | andyjpb | edits his backup scripts |
| 23:22.25 | andyjpb | once I've installed the apparmour pakage and profile pacakges do I need to do anything else? |
| 23:22.30 | andyjpb | or just wait for errors? |
| 23:23.03 | ksk | no idea if you would need to reboot for it to become fully active - I dont really know how it works tbh. |
| 23:23.07 | ratrace | andyjpb: check which profiles are enforcing, and which daemons are affected, then restart them, then monitor the audit log. |
| 23:23.22 | andyjpb | ratrace: thanks! |
| 23:23.28 | ratrace | %s/daemons/executables/ as it covers more than just daemons |
| 23:23.44 | andyjpb | ok... next... |
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| 23:24.05 | ksk | !next |
| 23:24.05 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:24.31 | andyjpb | in both Stretch and Buster security repos I can't install the 4.19 kernel because my /boot is on a FAT partition and it fails creating the symlink backup (Operation not permitted) |
| 23:24.51 | andyjpb | I have sucessfully installed the backported 5.3 buster kernel to |
| 23:24.51 | ratrace | ksk: TooSoon, the customer wants moar! |
| 23:24.51 | andyjpb | tho |
| 23:25.18 | andyjpb | I saw a debian bug about it for another kernel version so will those packages get fixed in time or do I need to report something? |
| 23:25.52 | ksk | I did not know installing kernels on FAT32 was supported. |
| 23:25.57 | ratrace | andyjpb: what symlink backup? |
| 23:26.09 | andyjpb | ksk: /boot is FAT32 because UEFI |
| 23:26.29 | ksk | uh okay. one step forward, three steps back :o |
| 23:26.41 | andyjpb | ratrace: when the kernel package installs it makes a symlink or a hardlink from the /boot/... kernel file to /boot/...-bak or something |
| 23:26.51 | ratrace | having /boot on FAT32 ain't necessary tho, just a convenience to have single partition for both ESP and /booz |
| 23:26.54 | andyjpb | in the past the failure of this is ignored and the package installs anyway |
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| 23:26.57 | ratrace | booze yea |
| 23:27.11 | andyjpb | and, indeed, dist-upgrading between jessie, stretch and buster was fine |
| 23:27.35 | andyjpb | but installing the current 4.9 / 4.19 kernels in stretch-security and buster-security doesn't work |
| 23:27.37 | ratrace | andyjpb: I don't know about that, but it does create symlinks from root ( / ). Also, /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf has the configs for those .baks |
| 23:27.45 | ratrace | you can disable if you wish |
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| 23:28.18 | andyjpb | ratrace: yeah. /boot/EFI needs to be FAT but /boot could not be. ...but it can't be xfs so I went for FAT |
| 23:29.07 | andyjpb | ratrace: ah. thanks. I recall seeing a different file with backup_symlinks=yes and changing that didn't work |
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| 23:29.11 | andyjpb | so I guess I got the wrong file. |
| 23:29.12 | andyjpb | thanks |
| 23:29.57 | andyjpb | here we go: |
| 23:29.58 | andyjpb | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64_4.19.67-2+deb10u2_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 23:29.59 | andyjpb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.59 | dpkg | andyjpb: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:30.30 | andyjpb | ah... ratrace I have "no" in that file already |
| 23:31.20 | afx_ | Hello ! Following these instructions: https://github.com/VirusTotal/qt-virustotal-uploader , when I get to the final part: "sudo make install" , I get : make: Nothing to be done for 'install'. Does this mean that there is nothing to be copied to the final destination ? |
| 23:32.35 | ratrace | andyjpb: probably hard links then, as symlinks aren't specific to the fs |
| 23:33.00 | ksk | afx_: virustotal is not part of debian, thus not supported in here. |
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| 23:33.43 | afx_ | ksk: I know , still any thoughts on this procedure ? |
| 23:33.44 | ksk | and on a second note, I doubt the need/positive effect of installing such a software at all (be it on linux or windows even..) |
| 23:34.00 | afx_ | ksk: why is that ? |
| 23:34.05 | gordonfish | Having trouble with a simple syslog.d/iptables.conf; tried many variables, but no matter what, it doesn't create the log file (/var/log/iptables.log) and still logs to /var/log/rsyslog and /var/log/messages |
| 23:34.06 | gordonfish | :msg, regex, "(\[[0-9.]+\] )?iptables\[[^]]+\]\:" -/var/log/iptables.log |
| 23:34.06 | gordonfish | & stop |
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| 23:35.14 | ksk | afx_: let me start with the second one: lets assume we use windows - take a look at the world - how and when do people get "hacked"? they do so if they do not upgrade their systems to the latest version, and a known vulnerability gets exploited |
| 23:35.29 | gordonfish | I've even tried something as simple as :msg, contains, "iptables" -/var/log/iptables.log and restarted rsyslog and still it acts as if /etc/rsyslog.d/iptables.conf wasn't there |
| 23:35.41 | andyjpb | in https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#apt-sandboxing it specifies "APT::Sandbox::Seccomp is a boolean to turn it on/off". Do I just put APT::Sandbox::Seccomp "true"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf/ |
| 23:35.41 | gordonfish | Anyone have any idea what I could possibly be missing? |
| 23:36.15 | ksk | if your usecase rather is "I want to make my users feel safe, when they klick things" - then I suggest using M$ defender - every other security/antivir software has a baaad record of ADDING vulnerabilities to the system (because the hook deep into the windows kernel) |
| 23:36.18 | afx_ | ksk: I agree , but still don't get your point :) . I mean what has this to do with virustotal |
| 23:36.37 | ratrace | gordonfish: afaik there is no "iptables" string in stuff logged by iptables (the -j LOG directives) |
| 23:36.40 | ksk | ah, its not an antivir? :D |
| 23:36.54 | ratrace | gordonfish: unless of course you put it in theere |
| 23:37.21 | ksk | afx_: okay then.. yes, I suppose you are right with your assement about make install |
| 23:37.39 | afx_ | ksk: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/ I just use it for scanning files before I open them |
| 23:37.43 | ksk | afx_: the question then would be, did the previous make command run successfully? |
| 23:38.13 | gordonfish | ratrace: I have a handful of iptables -j LOG rules that all use a similar --log-prefix "iptables[FOO]: " |
| 23:38.15 | ksk | afx_: but why? there are like no viruses targeting linux. also, we tend to not share executables in the linux world |
| 23:38.48 | ksk | of course an opened pdf, jpeg or whatever could trigger a bug in the viewing softare - I doubt virustotal would protect you from that, then. |
| 23:38.51 | afx_ | ksk: still share files with windows users too , so I don't want to spread viruses there :) |
| 23:39.10 | gordonfish | ratrace: And I see them show up in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages |
| 23:39.26 | andyjpb | what's the difference between seccomp-bpf and apparmor? |
| 23:39.30 | gordonfish | And one of them occurs often |
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| 23:40.17 | afx_ | ksk: so you mean this command : autoreconf -fi && ./configure && make |
| 23:40.21 | afx_ | ? |
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| 23:40.50 | ratrace | gordonfish: ah so you put it there. I'd try to make that regex way simpler, just trigger on "iptables" and see if that works, then slowly expand it with detail. |
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| 23:41.16 | ksk | afx_: btw, its more then questionable that you would need a software written in C, to upload stuff to a website - red flags waving.. |
| 23:41.33 | ksk | (like, there is http, no? :P ) |
| 23:41.48 | ksk | afx_: is that is the command you execute before make install, then yes. |
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| 23:41.57 | ksk | s/is that/if that/ |
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| 23:42.13 | gordonfish | ratrace: OI' |
| 23:42.18 | ratrace | andyjpb: AA is a LSM/MAC framework, while bpf is a "packet" filtering laguage in the kernel, with which one can express MAC policies, yes. for seccomp in this case, which is syscall filtering |
| 23:42.20 | gordonfish | ratrace: I've also tried :msg, contains, "iptables" |
| 23:42.42 | afx_ | ksk: found the same issue here https://github.com/VirusTotal/qt-virustotal-uploader/issues/4 |
| 23:42.57 | ksk | afx_: contact virustotal support then. |
| 23:43.20 | afx_ | will do |
| 23:43.22 | afx_ | thank you ! |
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| 23:43.56 | andyjpb | ratrace: right... but don't both do syscall filtering / restriction and achieve the same thing? |
| 23:44.11 | andyjpb | in https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#apt-sandboxing it specifies "APT::Sandbox::Seccomp is a boolean to turn it on/off". Do I just put APT::Sandbox::Seccomp "true"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf/ |
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| 23:46.21 | ratrace | andyjpb: no. bpf is a language one can express a MAC policy in. AA is a framework with predefined rules and relationships and its own domain specific policy "language" |
| 23:46.49 | ratrace | they surely do overlap in functionality, yes |
| 23:46.56 | andyjpb | ratrace: thanks. so it's just the granularity of that language that differs? |
| 23:47.26 | ksk | definetly have to catch up on both, eh :/ |
| 23:47.42 | andyjpb | now I'm trying to add the debug symbols as per https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#debug-archive. I have a line for buster and a line for buster-backports-debug in sources.list |
| 23:47.53 | ratrace | andyjpb: AA only does a subset of what bpf would be capable of |
| 23:48.03 | andyjpb | ...but can't find dists for buster/updates (security) or buster-updates |
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| 23:48.29 | andyjpb | can anyone point me at the right paths for those two repos? |
| 23:50.41 | ksk | !buster sources list |
| 23:51.08 | ksk | !buster sources.list |
| 23:51.08 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 23:51.29 | andyjpb | ah... no debug repos |
| 23:52.02 | ksk | you are reading the strech release notes btw, we are on buster right now ;) |
| 23:52.17 | ksk | ..and I dont know about debug symbols. |
| 23:52.19 | andyjpb | yes. because that's the one that tells me about the debug symbols |
| 23:52.36 | andyjpb | but the repos don't seem to exist for updates and security |
| 23:52.46 | andyjpb | but they do exist for backports and proposed updates |
| 23:52.47 | andyjpb | ??? |
| 23:53.02 | ksk | which repos are you talking about now? |
| 23:53.37 | andyjpb | I have this in sources.list |
| 23:53.39 | andyjpb | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 23:53.39 | andyjpb | deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main contrib non-free |
| 23:53.40 | andyjpb | great |
| 23:53.46 | andyjpb | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free |
| 23:53.46 | andyjpb | deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-backports-debug main contrib non-free |
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| 23:54.26 | andyjpb | but how to find the debug repo for deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free and deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates main contrib non-free ??? |
| 23:54.28 | ksk | !paste |
| 23:54.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 23:55.18 | andyjpb | thanks |
| 23:55.18 | andyjpb | http://paste.debian.net/1124417/ |
| 23:55.30 | andyjpb | how do write the lines starting with # ? |
