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| 00:11.58 | myuser | I upgraded my pc with a new chip, memory, and MB. Now I get random freezing. Memtest86 gives no errors. Do I need to do anything so that any new drivers are loaded? |
| 00:13.24 | OerHeks | myuser, step 1: congrats, you have new hardware, check for a bios update. |
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| 00:16.49 | myuser | OerHeks: I have already updated to the latest firmware |
| 00:17.00 | myuser | and thanks@! |
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| 00:19.19 | petn-randall | myuser: kernel modules are automatically loaded for devices, there's no handwork needed. |
| 00:19.26 | davidak | How do i request a package update in debian? Issues are not enabled in GitLab :( |
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| 00:20.34 | dvs | davidak, file a bug report? |
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| 00:21.58 | davidak | dvs, is there a special workflow for this kind of report? |
| 00:22.22 | davidak | i only found this for new packages https://wiki.debian.org/RFP |
| 00:22.43 | dvs | davidak, oh? it's an entirely new package? |
| 00:22.45 | joepublic | a bug in an existing package is not an rfp |
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| 00:26.09 | davidak | dvs, no, it's not a new package. there is a new release upstream and the debian package should get updated |
| 00:26.46 | dvs | davidak, then filing a bug for that package would be the best action. |
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| 00:28.31 | joepublic | "there is a new release upstream and the debian package should get updated" is generally not the case. |
| 00:28.59 | nyov | joepublic: ? |
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| 00:29.15 | nyov | are you saying debian packages are generally up-to-date with upstream? :D |
| 00:29.28 | joepublic | I am saying the opposite of that... |
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| 00:30.41 | davidak | joepublic, i'm actually not using debian but want to package a debian source package where debian is upstream ;) |
| 00:31.11 | davidak | https://salsa.debian.org/debian/anarchism is version 15.1 |
| 00:31.34 | davidak | upstream is a website that gets crawled which has version 15.3 |
| 00:31.39 | davidak | http://www.anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html |
| 00:31.46 | joepublic | ,v anarchism |
| 00:31.47 | judd | Package: anarchism on amd64 -- jessie: 14.0-3; stretch: 15.0-2; buster: 15.1-9; bullseye: 15.1-11; sid: 15.1-11 |
| 00:32.15 | davidak | so the debian source package needs an update :) |
| 00:32.37 | joepublic | that's a decision the maintainer would make, but conceivably that could be the case. |
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| 00:34.23 | nyov | davidak: you can report a bug against the package: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=anarchism;dist=unstable |
| 00:34.53 | nyov | since it seems there is no watchfile to inform maintainers of the update, it seems the best way of notification |
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| 01:15.26 | nyov | how do you change the locale for a MATE desktop user? |
| 01:16.42 | ksk | nyov: you mean $LANG? |
| 01:16.56 | ksk | locales are system-wide. |
| 01:17.49 | nyov | ksk: hm, no I guess not. already changed locales, $LANG, installed task-$lang-desktop |
| 01:18.02 | ksk | then, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | did you logout/login? |
| 01:18.27 | nyov | changing the MATE localisation |
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| 01:18.44 | ksk | nyov: look in mate settings? (just guessing..) |
| 01:18.58 | nyov | yes, rebooted. Oh let me check that LC actually took |
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| 01:19.43 | nyov | hm, yes LC_ vars are all set. but desktop after login still is english |
| 01:20.05 | ksk | how do you set the variables? |
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| 01:20.31 | ksk | ~./xsessionrc or similiar? changes in .bashrc for example will not effect the desktop |
| 01:20.43 | nyov | ksk: AH! that is probably the issue |
| 01:21.08 | nyov | so ~/.profile then? |
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| 01:23.26 | nyov | hm, nope. let's try .xinitrc |
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| 01:25.00 | nyov | but it's weird that the MATE control center has no setting for that, right? |
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| 01:25.51 | nyov | maybe I'm missing some package |
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| 01:36.06 | nyov | ksk: ~/.xsessionrc it is! thanks - I actually never used that one before :p |
| 01:36.43 | ksk | .profile is also only for shells and stuff (and actually ~/.bashrc gets loaded via /etc/profile if I remember correctly) |
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| 01:38.06 | nyov | .profile sources .bashrc, if on bash |
| 01:38.17 | myuser | is debian 9 still available for download? |
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| 01:38.48 | ksk | myuser: I would think so. Why would you not go for Buster though? |
| 01:39.40 | myuser | I updated my hardware and wanted to just get my existing system stable. |
| 01:40.38 | dvs | that's really backwards. New hardware usually implies a newer release |
| 01:42.21 | myuser | dvs: True, but I need to get some data off prior to doing so. |
| 01:43.02 | nyov | myuser: does the issue happen with a livecd? |
| 01:44.18 | myuser | nyov: Let me see if I can find my original install CD. It's just a lot of random freezing. BUT no problems reported by memtest86 |
| 01:44.55 | myuser | My guess it is drivers. I went from a quad core intel to a Ryzen 3800x |
| 01:45.31 | nyov | question is what's freezing. and maybe you need to purge some old firmware or drivers? |
| 01:45.37 | ksk | that sounds unlikely. You either have drivers for something, or you dont. It does not make stuff freeze. |
| 01:45.54 | dvs | myuser, Rysen 3000 will definitely need a newer kernel. |
| 01:46.00 | sponix | myuser: what GPU, and what kernel are you on ? |
| 01:46.12 | sponix | dvs: read my mind ;) |
| 01:46.33 | dvs | maybe even newer than buster |
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| 01:50.18 | myuser | don't know the kernel (I'm on another PC) but the GPU is very old. |
| 01:50.23 | sponix | Linux sponix 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:50.45 | sponix | myuser: you likely wanna pull 5.3 kernel from the backports to support your Ryzen 3000 CPU best |
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| 01:51.37 | myuser | If I d/l the buster 10 live CD that should be stable, correct? |
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| 01:52.00 | dvs | correct |
| 01:52.28 | myuser | The crashing is getting worse. I doubt I'd be able to get the kernel installed. |
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| 01:55.08 | sponix | myuser: this feels more like a hardware issue - honestly |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | you don't need a GUI to install a kernel from backports ... |
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| 01:55.44 | myuser | sponix: I agree, but no errors with numerous passes of memtest86. Could be MB or CPU though |
| 01:55.47 | sponix | myuser: you checked the temps on the CPU ? Maybe you got a bad TIM application, improper mounting pressure, or hell -- bent pins ? |
| 01:56.26 | myuser | TIM? |
| 01:57.04 | sponix | myuser: tim = thermal interface material = thermal paste |
| 01:57.42 | myuser | The highest I've seen is 50C |
| 01:57.59 | sponix | what is the idle temp ? |
| 01:58.09 | myuser | 40C is |
| 01:58.10 | myuser | ish |
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| 02:00.33 | sponix | so on "crash" does it freeze solid, kernel panic, slow down dramatically then lock up ? |
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| 02:01.26 | myuser | the gui blurs. The system is otherwise unresponsive to keyboard mouse. Then, sometimes, it will beep and reboot. |
| 02:01.44 | myuser | but I just swapped hardware... no reinstall. |
| 02:01.52 | sponix | "blurs" ? |
| 02:01.56 | myuser | I was hoping it would autodetect and update. |
| 02:03.01 | myuser | sponix: Sorry I don't know if there's a more precise way to describe it. There are lines and the windows get blurred. Think of drinking too much and seeing double. |
| 02:03.36 | sponix | myuser: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 02:06.15 | sponix | myuser: should give you a link like this: https://termbin.com/9l7c |
| 02:08.51 | myuser | inxi not found |
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| 02:09.15 | myuser | sponix: ^ |
| 02:09.22 | JackFrost | One might have to install it. |
| 02:10.12 | sponix | doh |
| 02:10.27 | sponix | myuser: yeah.. do "sudo apt install inxi" then after run that magic command |
| 02:10.50 | myuser | That is part of my problem. Network is flaking out. I.e. causes crashes |
| 02:11.01 | myuser | well crashes more often with network activity |
| 02:11.10 | sponix | JackFrost: I forget how stripped down the Debian base is |
| 02:11.17 | JackFrost | USB flash and copy the deb over? |
| 02:11.32 | JackFrost | sponix: Nice tip on -c0 for the pastebin. :) |
| 02:11.33 | myuser | I'm burning a USB now |
| 02:12.15 | sponix | JackFrost: that is our "Go To" command for Linux Mint troubleshooting lol |
| 02:12.16 | myuser | actually, I got it with apt-get |
| 02:12.22 | myuser | just really slot |
| 02:12.24 | myuser | slow |
| 02:12.24 | sponix | myuser: sweet |
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| 02:12.53 | myuser | what is this supposed to do? I didn't read the man page. |
| 02:13.12 | sponix | myuser: look at my link output for an example of what info it rounds up -> https://termbin.com/9l7c |
| 02:13.20 | JackFrost | inxi is a system information script, from graphics, to apt repositories. Also weather if you want. |
| 02:13.38 | myuser | https://termbin.com/dz3o6 |
| 02:13.43 | sponix | Tells about your hardware and software .. a decent snapshot of what you are running, great for troubleshooting |
| 02:13.55 | myuser | and it posts it automatically? |
| 02:14.55 | myuser | oh piped into netcat |
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| 02:15.59 | dvs | myuser, you still running stretch (Debian 9) ? |
| 02:16.11 | sponix | myuser: lol .... You should be burning a USB Installer Stick of Debian 10 |
| 02:16.31 | sponix | backing up your important data to an external, and doing a fresh install |
| 02:17.15 | sponix | that Debian 9 kernel 4.9.x is just NOT capable of supporting x570 |
| 02:17.54 | sponix | Do you have another GPU laying around ? that 8400 GS isn't doing you any favors |
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| 02:18.59 | sponix | JackFrost: gotta love how that inxi takes the guess work out of most everything ;) |
| 02:19.18 | myuser | sponix: I got that going on now |
| 02:20.01 | JackFrost | sponix: apt-cache showsrc inxi | grep Maint :3 |
| 02:20.08 | sponix | myuser: sweet... Debian 10 with the 5.3 kernel from backports should do well for the Board/CPU -- then it is just the GPU that is in question |
| 02:20.19 | myuser | sponix: I just use it to display the GUI. I don't play games or anything. |
| 02:21.27 | sponix | well you might dig around in your couch and see if you can find $100 for a 570, or a 750Ti or something |
| 02:22.06 | myuser | backports are still needed with Debian 10? |
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| 02:23.15 | dvs | myuser, you need it for the 5.3 kernel |
| 02:24.30 | sponix | myuser: yeah, it isn't that hard to do though. In fact I think the bot has a guide link |
| 02:24.39 | sponix | dpkg backports |
| 02:24.39 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:24.50 | myuser | sponix, dvs: Ok, I'll give that a shot for tonight. Thank you all for your help! |
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| 02:26.01 | sponix | myuser: your networking and cpu should work MUCH better on kernel 5.3 branch... The GPU ... well no promises on that ;) |
| 02:26.22 | exocet | Jajajaj. |
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| 02:31.40 | HeXiLeD | dpkg: sqlite3 header |
| 02:31.40 | dpkg | HeXiLeD: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:31.49 | HeXiLeD | ah ffs! |
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| 02:32.40 | pingfloyd | !sqlite3 |
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| 02:37.27 | sponix | dpkg sqlite3 header |
| 02:37.27 | dpkg | sponix: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:37.38 | sponix | kicks dpkg right in the nuts |
| 02:37.52 | dvs | !shut up |
| 02:37.52 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 02:58.59 | debbbbbbian | hello |
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| 02:59.23 | ta0gh1 | hi debbbbbbian |
| 02:59.25 | dvs | yo |
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| 02:59.51 | ta0gh1 | snuggles debbbbbbian |
| 03:00.21 | debbbbbbian | Why does gparted require password, but gnome-disks does not? |
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| 03:01.19 | sponix | debbbbbbian: to make you ask questions |
| 03:01.33 | debbbbbbian | I thought so |
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| 03:04.05 | coruja | maybe gnome-disks only needs a password when applying changes |
| 03:05.14 | debbbbbbian | coruja I don't remember it asking me |
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| 03:07.03 | sponix | debbbbbbian: then you should drink less |
| 03:07.54 | debbbbbbian | X) |
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| 03:29.02 | maxrazer | Strange that some links open the wrong browser. I set gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser to the browser I want. |
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| 03:29.56 | nyov | does debian ship nvnet nonfree firmware/driver for nForce? |
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| 03:31.16 | nyov | ,pciid 10de:0760 |
| 03:31.18 | judd | [10de:0760] is 'MCP77 Ethernet' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0760 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 03:31.41 | nyov | oh well |
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| 03:59.59 | nyov | could someone remind me how to disable the friggin vim visual mode on mouse-select? |
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| 04:14.00 | nyov | this is ridiculous. "set mouse-=a" in vimrc.local doesn't work so you have to remove it from /usr/share/vim/vim81/defaults.vim. holy cow |
| 04:14.20 | nyov | still gets me every time |
| 04:14.44 | sponix | mouse ? in vim ? |
| 04:17.46 | ic56 | nyov: I'm curious: when you say "vimrc.local", which pathanme, specifically, do you mean? |
| 04:20.30 | nyov | ic56: I'm using /etc/vim/vimrc.local because it gets sourced from /etc/vim/vimrc by default |
| 04:21.01 | nyov | and so I don't have to patch vimrc again on every vim upgrade |
| 04:21.59 | nyov | sponix: https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/runtime/defaults.vim#L80-L86 |
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| 04:23.46 | nyov | and this should work but seemingly doesn't in vimrc.local: https://gist.github.com/u0d7i/01f78999feff1e2a8361 |
| 04:24.01 | sponix | nyov: wow that is pretty damn fancy.. I use to do a vimrc of like 3-5 lines and thought that was too much ;) |
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| 04:25.34 | ic56 | nyov: thank you. Modifying /etc/vim/vimrc.local should have worked. Perhaps you created it with restrictive permissions? |
| 04:26.33 | nyov | ic56: how restrictive? permissions are -rw-r--r- |
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| 04:27.42 | ic56 | nyov: ah, that should be fine. I had wondered whether you might have created it -rw------. |
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| 04:30.33 | nyov | well it doesn't for me :/ installed package is "vim", btw. not vim-tiny or vim-nox or so. |
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| 04:42.24 | ic56 | nyov: just tested it myself, and was able to replicate your problem. The behaviour is this: the files in /etc/vim get read when vim starts but are ignored if you have a ~/.vimrc . Digging further... |
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| 04:46.55 | nyov | oh okay. so ~/.vimrc overrides /etc/vim completely? |
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| 04:48.03 | nyov | (but I didn't even have a ~/.vimrc this newly installed machine) |
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| 04:48.36 | ic56 | nyov: yes. This is the behaviour I *observed*. I don't remember whether this is traditional behaviour. Researching... |
| 04:48.50 | nyov | okay, thanks |
| 04:49.18 | ic56 | nyov: about not having a ~/.vimrc . Your /etc/skel directory may have provided one when you created your user account. |
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| 04:58.06 | nyov | I'm pretty certain there isn't one - checked the user and root accounts |
| 04:58.32 | nyov | ic56: oh wait. of course there is. i'm sshing after all |
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| 04:59.21 | nyov | but no, that doesn't make sense. oh well |
| 04:59.30 | Thedarkb-X40 | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (590.5 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (286.9 MiB Free) ⢠Storage: 24.0 GB / 31.8 GB (7.8 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller ⢠Uptime |
| 04:59.30 | Thedarkb-X40 | : 3w 1d 1h 47m 34s |
| 04:59.42 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm thinking of putting Debian on this. |
| 04:59.56 | nyov | xD good save |
| 05:00.04 | Thedarkb-X40 | Last time I tried, the WiFi drivers refused to work, do you think the issue will have been rectified in Buster? |
| 05:02.08 | Thedarkb-X40 | It's a Calexico2 card, with the firmware and driver packages installed, it just spat out "Link is not ready" |
| 05:02.14 | Thedarkb-X40 | Which is not particularly informative. |
| 05:02.19 | Thedarkb-X40 | It works under Ubuntu, inexplicably. |
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| 05:03.09 | nyov | try it on a live-cd? |
| 05:03.17 | Thedarkb-X40 | That's the plan. |
| 05:03.39 | Thedarkb-X40 | I'm on a very slow DSL connection, so I kind of want to know beforehand. |
| 05:04.13 | Thedarkb-X40 | I use this machine to make 32 bit builds of my apps. |
| 05:04.31 | Thedarkb-X40 | It's also good at exposing areas for optimisation. |
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| 05:12.30 | ic56 | nyov: my test results are erroneous. Forget what I told ou about ~/.vimrc taking priority. It doesn't. Mine merely contained settings that misled me during testing. |
| 05:15.01 | ic56 | nyov: perhaps something else runs after /etc/vim/vimrc.local, and resets your change. Try this: vim --startuptime outputfile # it will show you the sequence of events. May help you debug. I'll dig a little further. |
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| 05:15.33 | nyov | ic56: okay, so setting "set mouse-=a" in your /etc/vim/vimrc or vimrc.local does disable the horrible visual mode? |
| 05:15.58 | nyov | on vim 8.1 / buster? |
| 05:16.47 | ic56 | nyov: don't know what "mouse" does. I have just been chasing you assertion that your setting was being ignored. |
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| 05:18.16 | nyov | it switches vim to visual mode when you try to mouse-select text from the terminal window |
| 05:18.45 | nyov | instead of highlighting the selected text and putting it in the copy/paste buffer-whatsitsname |
| 05:20.44 | nyov | vim --startuptime /tmp/test just opens an empty file |
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| 05:21.17 | ic56 | nyov: that's right. Now, exit from vim, and view the file it created -- /tmp/test |
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| 05:26.27 | nyov | yeah, WTF? https://termbin.com/l3rx |
| 05:26.49 | nyov | why is it sourcing vimrc.local and THEN overriding it with $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim |
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| 05:36.57 | ic56 | nyov: maybe vim --startuptime shows sourced files in the *completion* order. So, if a file 1 sources file 2, we will see "sourcing file 2... sourcing file 1". |
| 05:39.06 | nyov | well, no idea. shrug. that's just too weird for me, hehehe. I only know the vimrc.local setting doesn't work for the mouse. rest is okay. |
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| 05:40.43 | nyov | ic56: thanks for the help. I'll move on to other work now |
| 05:41.30 | ic56 | nyov: confirmed on --startuptime's output order. |
| 05:41.47 | ic56 | nyov: you're welcome. Bye. |
| 05:42.24 | nyov | okay, maybe I'll get around on filing a bug report for that |
| 05:43.14 | ic56 | nyov: probably not a bug. |
| 05:43.56 | ic56 | nyov: oh, if you meant --startuptime's order, that is definitely not a bug. It's a reasonable (and helpful) behaviour. |
| 05:44.46 | ic56 | nyov: because it is meant to show you how long each task took. That info is only available after a task is completed. |
| 05:44.47 | nyov | well, if the setting doesn't allow overriding, that's a bug in my view |
| 05:45.25 | nyov | whatever the cause for that |
| 05:52.11 | ic56 | nyov: now I can reason about this correctly. Your sequence of init files differs from mine: yours sources more files. Specifically: /defaults.vim (and its dependencies, which precede it in --startuptime's output). |
| 05:52.34 | ic56 | nyov: now I can reason about this correctly. Your sequence of init files differs from mine: yours sources more files. Specifically: $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim (and its dependencies, which precede it in --startuptime's output). |
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| 05:53.06 | ic56 | nyov: (sorry about the repeat; had to fix a typo) |
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| 05:57.34 | nyov | ic56: okay, but does that change anything? |
| 05:57.50 | bbt | what packages do i need to apt remove to switch a desktop version to server minimal? |
| 05:58.31 | nyov | bbt: probably task-desktop and maybe other task- meta-packages |
| 05:59.25 | bbt | task-desktop? |
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| 06:00.21 | bbt | i just did apt remove *desktop seems to have got some of it |
| 06:01.07 | bbt | task must have been in that list too as it wasnt install when i tried just then |
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| 06:20.10 | ic56 | nyov: I found the answer to your problem. The behaviour is intentional and documented in /etc/vim/vimrc (starting at line 12, in my version). To prevent this behaviour, uncomment this line: " let g:skip_defaults_vim = 1 |
| 06:21.32 | nyov | ic56: oh boy. how cruel is that. -.- |
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| 06:25.33 | nyov | ic56: yeah I can confirm it works now, if I put that line into vimrc.local |
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| 06:32.24 | ic56 | nyov: yes. Actually, I would call that bad design. You might consider opening a trouble ticket, to request that Bram eliminate the hardcoding inside vim which seeks out $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim . If they really want to, they could source the extra files from /etc/vim/vimrc . I understand why they did it this way: to implement this specific behaviour via configuration commands, they would have to repeat lots of logic that already exists inside the vim executable |
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| 06:40.43 | ross` | Can anyone here help me get dhcp for ipv4 working on my libvirt vm? dhcp6 works fine. Both host and vm are debian. |
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| 06:54.19 | nyov | ic56 left? dang |
| 06:55.17 | nyov | ross`: what do you mean by that? dhclient or dhcpd? |
| 06:55.55 | nyov | or: who is client, who is server? |
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| 07:00.00 | ross` | nyov: client, but I'm using dhcpcd |
| 07:00.19 | ross` | the dhcp server is actually my router. |
| 07:00.27 | ross` | I want both host and vm to get dhcp from router. |
| 07:00.41 | ross` | bridge networking |
| 07:00.55 | ross` | I have my bridge device setup and it works perfectly fine for ipv6 |
| 07:01.01 | ross` | but ipv4 something is blocking |
| 07:02.19 | nyov | ross`: how is the network setup? bridge/nat/user-networking or other? |
| 07:02.37 | nyov | you'll need UDP traffic for port 67/68 |
| 07:02.50 | nyov | natted, or bridged |
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| 07:03.49 | nyov | ross`: sorry I skipped those lines :p. can you use tcpdump/wireshark on the host, to check on the traffic? |
| 07:04.04 | Peyam | Hi. any of you has exerience in redshift? |
| 07:04.16 | nyov | lots of redshifts |
| 07:04.41 | nyov | i'm practically redshifting all the time ;) |
| 07:05.07 | Peyam | do you know how to configure it? |
| 07:05.15 | Peyam | with altitude and longitude? |
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| 07:05.50 | nyov | uhm. you didn't mean amazon redshift? or the colormanager redshift? what redshift do you mean? |
| 07:06.01 | ross` | nyov: now I'm even more confused. I restarted the machine and had networking on the host. Then this time I was able to get dhcp4 on the vm, but when it did the host lost networking and only the vm had it. |
| 07:06.07 | ross` | This doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 07:06.14 | Peyam | http://jonls.dk/redshift/ |
| 07:06.18 | ross` | I'm not sure what could be wrong with the bridge |
| 07:06.22 | OerHeks | redshift -l LAT:LON |
| 07:07.06 | nyov | ross`: looks like the dhcp server is giving you IP for the host's MAC address? |
| 07:07.23 | OerHeks | so; Amsterdam would be redshift -l 52:4 |
| 07:07.34 | ross` | nyov: no! It's not it's giving it a different ont |
| 07:07.42 | ross` | That's what's even more confusing about it. |
| 07:07.46 | nyov | hm |
| 07:07.47 | ross` | the host has 10.0.0.2 dhcp from router |
| 07:07.50 | ross` | and the vm gets 10.0.0.24 |
| 07:08.25 | ross` | Yeah, as soon as the vm connects and does dhcp the host loses networking |
| 07:09.26 | ross` | Also, this vnet0 device is created on the host when the vm comes up that has a 169 ip |
| 07:09.41 | nyov | ross`: does the host lose the IP? and what does the network log, does the dhcp server revoke the host's IP maybe? |
| 07:09.55 | ross` | The host doesn't seem to lose the ip |
| 07:09.57 | ross` | it just can't route |
| 07:10.13 | ross` | I don't know why it would revoke the host IP. |
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| 07:10.24 | ross` | the mac address of the host and vm are different |
| 07:10.25 | nyov | well, if the address is replaced by an 169 APIPA then it looks like the dhcp server said, nope |
| 07:10.43 | nyov | curious |
| 07:10.50 | ross` | the mac and ip of the host and server are both different |
| 07:10.59 | Peyam | OerHeks, lon 4 for amesterdam? no decimals? |
| 07:11.36 | jm_ | Peyam: it's man page has an example how to start it |
| 07:11.37 | ross` | I have never seen anything like this before |
| 07:11.41 | jm_ | its too |
| 07:12.14 | ross` | My router is a google fiber router. I think it does do some stuff via forced dhcp for routing, but it still shouldn't drop the host when the vm makes a request. |
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| 07:13.50 | OerHeks | Peyam, not really needed |
| 07:13.50 | nyov | could be MAC address spoofing protection, so only one device can be on the link? shrug |
| 07:14.02 | Peyam | I'm getting Failed to set manual option. |
| 07:15.06 | ross` | nyov: Maybe how would I check for that. |
| 07:15.07 | nyov | ross`: I'd really look at the traffic. best way to diagnose |
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| 07:19.03 | ross` | what's even more weird is that right now after doing an ifdown on the vm and an ifdown then ifup on the host the host has access to google.com but can't ping any other ip |
| 07:19.09 | ross` | I'm so completely confused right now |
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| 07:22.41 | ross` | And then sometimes, anytime I ping something it hangs for a few seconds, and then starts working |
| 07:22.49 | ross` | when I reboot the machine and networking on the host works |
| 07:22.55 | nyov | magic google box? |
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| 07:23.49 | ross` | Yeah, when networking works on the host, and then I start the vm networking completely breaks on the host. Then if I stop the vm and bring the network devices down and up on the host I don't have any networking except google. I can't even ping the router. |
| 07:23.56 | ross` | I don't know what could be causing this behavior. |
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| 07:24.23 | nyov | ross`: make sure you've taken the other IP stack out of the equation when testing, so IPv6 doesn't lead you astray |
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| 07:24.49 | ross` | nyov: Yes, I've done that. |
| 07:24.57 | nyov | ok |
| 07:25.20 | Nashir | hello |
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| 07:29.25 | ross` | nyov: I think either the docker or pia iptables rules that I had in place were messing things up. |
| 07:29.40 | ross` | Not sure how, but completely flushing iptables seems to fix stuff. |
| 07:29.44 | ross` | Shoulda done that before bugging irc. |
| 07:29.46 | ross` | Thanks for your time |
| 07:29.49 | nyov | nice |
| 07:30.32 | nyov | didn't think of iptables when you said bridge |
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| 07:31.07 | ross` | I know right :shrug: |
| 07:31.09 | ross` | I didn't either. |
| 07:31.21 | ross` | pia had like 40 rules in there though for the vpn. |
| 07:31.30 | ross` | So idk what it was doing, but my guess was that was it. |
| 07:31.48 | ross` | And it was operating on the 10/8 |
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| 07:39.00 | ross` | nyov: Actually I sorta got lucky. |
| 07:39.06 | ross` | It only works if I dhcp on eth0 |
| 07:39.10 | ross` | and then initialize the bridge. |
| 07:39.15 | ross` | If the bridge does the dhcp |
| 07:39.19 | ross` | then it gets confused. |
| 07:39.25 | ross` | I still don't know what that is. |
| 07:39.26 | ross` | why* |
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| 07:42.24 | nyov | ross`: not sure if that helps, but you could try adding a dummy0 interface to the bridge and give that the IP |
| 07:42.31 | nyov | for the host |
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| 07:49.32 | ross` | Okay, now I have to deal with something else that is super broken. |
| 07:49.57 | ross` | The vm can ping router and the other devices on the local network. |
| 07:50.02 | ross` | The host can't ping anything on the local network |
| 07:50.07 | ross` | the vm can't ping the host |
| 07:50.11 | ross` | but they both have internet |
| 07:50.42 | ross` | Also, other computers on my local network can't ping the host either. |
| 07:51.05 | ross` | Does that make even a shred of sense to anyone? |
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| 07:55.11 | nyov | ross`: the iptables stuff is empty now? |
| 07:55.41 | nyov | if in doubt, you can try this https://termbin.com/j60h |
| 07:57.27 | ross` | nyov: ya |
| 07:57.47 | ross` | nyov: yep, I ran those bottom 4 rules |
| 07:58.08 | nyov | ebtables -L is empty? |
| 07:58.18 | nyov | looks weird indeed |
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| 07:59.13 | ross` | ya |
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| 08:02.32 | ross` | OK, I'm pretty sure mac address spoofing is disabled. |
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| 08:02.47 | ross` | Because I changed the mac address of the bridge device and it got the dhcp static designated for another one |
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| 08:02.58 | ross` | How do I fix that. |
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| 08:04.37 | nyov | don't think you can easily fix that. that's what the MAC is for |
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| 08:30.46 | jim | I'm trying to get the build deps for building a linux kernel, and when trying to do that, I got this: https://termbin.com/zke6 |
| 08:31.11 | jim | !tell me about bat |
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| 08:35.21 | jim | as far as item (2) of bat, I dunno what packages you want apt-cache policy of... but here's apt-cache policy: https://termbin.com/r8fp |
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| 08:37.37 | OerHeks | [2019-12-13] Accepted kernel-wedge 2.102~bpo10+1 (all source) into buster-backports, buster-backports , backports have it? |
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| 08:41.47 | jm_ | check what policy shows for linux |
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| 08:44.03 | jim | oh good idea... I also dug thru output of the first command, couple packages in there too |
| 08:44.44 | jim | , v kernel-wedge |
| 08:44.45 | judd | Package: kernel-wedge on amd64 -- jessie: 2.90; stretch: 2.96; stretch-backports: 2.99~bpo9+1; buster: 2.99; buster-backports: 2.102~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.102; sid: 2.102 |
| 08:45.04 | jim | OerHeks, looks that way :) |
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| 08:49.03 | jim | here's the package policies: https://termbin.com/gm6d |
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| 08:56.22 | ross` | I think my dhcpcd is misbehaving |
| 08:56.28 | ross` | it's doing dhcp even when I have inet manual |
| 08:56.37 | ross` | and it always restarts when i kill it |
| 08:57.25 | ross` | how do I get dhcpcd to stop running on a device. |
| 08:57.41 | ross` | There are no dhcp directives for any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:57.48 | ross` | but dhcpcd still somehow wants to do work on the device |
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| 08:59.05 | horseshoecrab | ross`: do you have some sort of network tool thing running? something that ignores the network/interfaces file? (connman or something like that maybe) |
| 08:59.28 | ross` | No. |
| 08:59.34 | ross` | Not that I know of. |
| 09:00.03 | horseshoecrab | if it gets really annoying maybe just uninstall dhcpcd if you wanna go static. it should be reasonably safe to do so (but obviously don't just take my word for it!) |
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| 09:00.50 | nyov | ross`: I'd try the other dhcp client package |
| 09:01.01 | nyov | for testing |
| 09:01.04 | ross` | I just want to know why dhcpcd is so agressive |
| 09:01.16 | nyov | who spawns it? |
| 09:01.17 | ross` | why does it keep running |
| 09:01.19 | ross` | I have no idea |
| 09:01.27 | ross` | I don't have network manager or anything like that |
| 09:02.41 | ross` | how would I create a dummy device like you suggested for the host |
| 09:02.48 | ross` | So that the host doesn't use eth0 or br0 directly |
| 09:03.04 | ross` | but just has its own dummy that has its own mac address |
| 09:03.10 | ross` | and gateways through that for default traffic |
| 09:03.23 | ross` | Or would that only be possible with NAT routing |
| 09:05.15 | nyov | modprobe dummy; brctl addif br0 dummy0; ip addr add ...something... dev dummy0 |
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| 09:05.19 | nyov | something like that |
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| 09:06.09 | ross` | This is infuriating me |
| 09:06.14 | nyov | I dont think it can have it's own mac though |
| 09:06.17 | ross` | I literally have the interface config for eth0 to static |
| 09:06.20 | ross` | and it's forcing dhcp |
| 09:06.26 | jm_ | jim: so try to install the version from bpo |
| 09:07.16 | nyov | ross`: systemd? |
| 09:07.59 | nyov | or rather; is systemd-networkd running, or something like that? |
| 09:10.00 | ross` | No and it's seemed to have stopped. |
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| 09:10.20 | ross` | And I can set an IP address statically on just the eth0 interface but not the br0 interface when I only have an eth0 interface. |
| 09:10.36 | ross` | google router accepts it |
| 09:10.42 | ross` | and lan devices can ping it. |
| 09:10.54 | ross` | Why is bridge mode giving me so many problems! This doesn't make any sense at all. |
| 09:11.14 | ross` | dhcpcd isn't running and it's not giving me ipv6 |
| 09:11.35 | ross` | Another thing that was weird was that it was giving me ipv6 on dhcp even when I had no inet6 in the interfaces file, |
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| 09:11.45 | ross` | It's like before now it was completely ignoring certain things in the interfaces file. |
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| 09:15.24 | ross` | Something before and I don't know what I did to fix it was inviting dhcpcd to the party when it wasn't invited. |
| 09:15.29 | ross` | It seems to have magically stopped now. |
| 09:16.21 | jim | ,v linux |
| 09:16.22 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
| 09:16.29 | ross` | Also, before I had conflicting default gateway for 0.0.0.0 in route -n |
| 09:16.32 | ross` | now it just shows br0 |
| 09:16.35 | ross` | eth0 has no ip information |
| 09:16.41 | ross` | and br0 has ip information statically |
| 09:16.55 | jim | ross`, do you have VMs? |
| 09:16.59 | ross` | The issue (idk how it happened) was eth0 was getting configured simultaneously because dhcpcd was not invited. |
| 09:17.08 | ross` | I think it's all working now though as intended. |
| 09:17.55 | ross` | jim: yes |
| 09:18.00 | ross` | Okay, absolutely everything works now. |
| 09:18.04 | ross` | host and vm can ping internet |
| 09:18.11 | ross` | host and vm can ping eachother |
| 09:18.14 | ross` | dhcpcd isn't running |
| 09:18.27 | ross` | dhcpcd isn't working on eth0 all the time even when it was told manual. |
| 09:18.31 | ross` | I have no idea what fixed it either |
| 09:18.43 | ross` | I have the exact same configuration I had when I started. |
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| 09:19.07 | jim | ross`, that's usually how you configure the bridge, and you configure the ethernet as iface eth0 inet manual |
| 09:19.41 | ross` | yes, I had that and dhcpcd just ignored it |
| 09:19.43 | ross` | I have no idea how |
| 09:19.51 | ross` | or how dhcpcd was resurrecting itself when I killed it. |
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| 09:22.45 | ross` | I don't think the underlying problem is solved, but I did notice this now: |
| 09:22.54 | ross` | Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Start request repeated too quickly. |
| 09:22.57 | ross` | Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'. |
| 09:23.00 | ross` | Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: Failed to start DHCP Client Daemon. |
| 09:23.03 | ross` | Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Start request repeated too quickly. |
| 09:23.06 | ross` | Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'. |
| 09:23.13 | jm_ | hehe |
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| 09:31.01 | jim | jm_, added deb-src lines for backports, apparantly linux is in there |
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| 09:31.46 | jim | bad ross... |
| 09:31.53 | jim | bad BAD ross... |
| 09:32.04 | ross` | I still don't know what was causing dhcpcd to tag eth0, but I did figure out what was auto starting it. I've disabled it in systemctl |
| 09:32.05 | jim | bad bad spammyu ross... |
| 09:32.28 | ross` | jim: I'm a bad dirty sysadmin. I better to take a cold shower and reflect on my bad behaviors |
| 09:32.31 | ross` | showers |
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| 09:32.47 | jim | I'm not sure why you[re getting those old names for the interfaces |
| 09:33.06 | ross` | because I've intentionally disabled dev names. |
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| 09:34.17 | jim | ross`, oh ok |
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| 10:20.10 | ross` | it's not qwerty |
| 10:20.14 | ross` | not sure why |
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| 10:20.54 | ross` | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/108928/ |
| 10:20.55 | ross` | this behavior |
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| 12:27.29 | Akuw | every time i try to install a package i got "dpkg: error prcessing package customfile (--remove)" |
| 12:27.50 | Akuw | subprocess installed post-removel script returned error exit status 127 |
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| 12:29.27 | jm_ | customfile is actual package name? |
| 12:31.18 | ksk | !bat |
| 12:31.19 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 12:38.14 | Akuw | yes |
| 12:39.10 | jm_ | is /var/lib/dpkg/info/customfile.postinst a shell script? |
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| 12:41.49 | nyov | What can I do when this notebook I have here is so broken that it won't even wake up from standby mode again, nevermind from suspend? |
| 12:42.59 | nyov | anything besides ACPI table patching? |
| 12:43.17 | ksk | nyov: https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation#Debugging_hibernation |
| 12:44.36 | Akuw | jm_: yes |
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| 12:45.43 | jm_ | Akuw: then I would add 'set -x' as second line (make a backup first, just in case) and then run «dpkg --pending --configure» and you should see what is going on |
| 12:46.31 | Akuw | jm_: ok, let me test |
| 12:47.36 | Akuw | jm_: dpkg --pending --configure show no output |
| 12:48.21 | jm_ | Akuw: ahh sorry, you said post remove :), edit .postrm file instead |
| 12:49.15 | Akuw | first line is set -e have i to change by set -x ? |
| 12:50.01 | jm_ | no, just add another line, can be 3rd too |
| 12:50.22 | Akuw | ok, no output |
| 12:51.04 | jm_ | yeah dpkg --configure won't work for this, try removing the package (I assume that's happening since postrm is involved) |
| 12:51.19 | Akuw | ok |
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| 12:52.12 | jm_ | will have to go now, hopefully someone else can help |
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| 12:54.16 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 13:09.11 | nyov | just check what the postrm script does, kill it, remove package, then do what the script wanted manually |
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| 13:28.01 | nyov | ksk: thanks, /sys/power/pm_test interface was exactly what I needed to test this- it's definitely the ACPI system at fault |
| 13:29.02 | nyov | as soon as I go deep enough to execute ACPI platform control methods, system won't wake up anymore. |
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| 13:42.27 | nyov | dang it, again with the DSDT hacking :( are there any DSDT editors for linux? |
| 13:43.00 | nyov | all the good ressources there seem to be in the hackintosh community, but lacking for linux? |
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| 14:05.41 | qanf320 | Hi. Is there any ansible playbook for installing Debian inside virtualbox? |
| 14:06.12 | joepublic | debian people usu. just install from the netinstall image |
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| 14:10.53 | ksk | qanf320: you use ansible AFTER you have an OS, btw.. |
| 14:11.11 | ksk | might be you are looking for something like Vagrant? ;) |
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| 14:11.42 | qanf320 | ksk, I guess I was hoping for a way to run ansible from my host OS to install Debian inside a virtualbox running on this host OS |
| 14:12.15 | ksk | you cant, just like you cant run ansible on a computer without any OS. |
| 14:12.25 | qanf320 | but then, after the virtualbox install works, I'd want to install it on bare metal |
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| 14:12.54 | qanf320 | so then ansible can't talk to virtualbox? or rather, can't talk to the guest OS via ssh? |
| 14:13.25 | nyov | hahaha, too sophisticated, qanf320. sure it would work though |
| 14:13.36 | nyov | vboxmanage dat thing ;) |
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| 14:14.48 | ksk | sure it can talk to the gues OS via ssh (like it can talk to anything via ssh) - but you still need an OS then.. |
| 14:15.05 | nyov | qanf320: if you really want to script the vbox creation, look at he docs here https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html |
| 14:15.17 | qanf320 | I guess in retrospect, I'm hoping to find something like NixOS's configuration.nix file, which I could just lug along if I wanted a reinstall, or just modify if I wanted changes in the current OS |
| 14:15.39 | ksk | and if not, you one-time build a small/"minbase" debian with the right ssh pubkeys added, and use that from there on to bootstrap your guests. |
| 14:15.51 | qanf320 | ksk, yeah I guess I was already assuming I'd be manually running sshd from the install cd/iso inside virtualbox |
| 14:16.39 | qanf320 | alright, thanks for the info |
| 14:17.43 | nyov | qanf320: debian installs tend to use the d-i preseed method. or to build from scratch, a debootstrap script |
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| 14:19.23 | qanf320 | I'm just so overwhelmed having to keep track of and rsync a ton of changed configuration files, it reminded me of NixOS's configuration.nix file being all declarative and having all changed config options in one place. Would be nice to have this on Debian somehow |
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| 14:20.14 | nyov | +1 - somehow |
| 14:20.36 | ksk | you use config managment (ansible) for that nowadays.. |
| 14:20.53 | ksk | imho no need for debian to invent another one |
| 14:20.59 | qanf320 | I don't know how that ansible works, yet |
| 14:21.30 | ksk | It uses a declerative language, sets up roles and defines what they contain (installed packages, files from $backend, and so on) |
| 14:21.35 | qanf320 | so you're saying that ansible can for example apply only the one tiny change I did in its scripts to the entire system, without re-installing or what, everything |
| 14:21.54 | ksk | take a look at the docs ;) |
| 14:22.19 | qanf320 | so for example, suppose I've the /etc/sshd_config somehow in ansible script, then I want to change one option from no to yes, does it know how to modify it in /etc/sshd_config ? |
| 14:22.35 | qanf320 | yeah the docs are not easy ... :) but I will of course |
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| 14:22.51 | qanf320 | just wanted to know some preliminaries first, to see if it's worth it |
| 14:22.55 | ksk | if you tell ansible to manage sshd_config, and you change it in "config store backend", and tell a host to "ansible do your thing" it will update the config, yes.. |
| 14:22.57 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 14:23.14 | b1ack0p | is there official iso with nonfree drivers? |
| 14:23.23 | b1ack0p | nonfree shows unofficial |
| 14:23.24 | ksk | unly the unofficial one. |
| 14:23.29 | ksk | only* |
| 14:23.32 | b1ack0p | does it mean not supported? |
| 14:23.37 | b1ack0p | or not secure? |
| 14:23.54 | nyov | both |
| 14:23.56 | ksk | both, to some degree. But many users in here, including me, have used it. |
| 14:23.57 | qanf320 | ksk, but by update the config, does it mean simply changing the one word from "no" to "yes" in /etc/sshd_config ? or does it simply overwrite it with its own copy of it |
| 14:24.05 | b1ack0p | i am using too |
| 14:24.09 | b1ack0p | grrr |
| 14:24.12 | b1ack0p | whatever |
| 14:24.24 | ksk | qanf320: where is the difference, on filesystem level? :> |
| 14:24.33 | joepublic | I am using only debian main, nothing nonfree, for what it's worth. |
| 14:24.51 | qanf320 | ksk, I guess I mean, if I manually add a new option that ansible doesn't know about, in /etc/sshd_config, will it be gone after I run ansible ? |
| 14:24.53 | b1ack0p | joepublic: but i need intel wifi drivers |
| 14:25.23 | ksk | qanf320: yes. I suppose there is also an ansible channel available on this network, maybe take your questions there (but I am sure they will guide you to the docs..) |
| 14:25.23 | joepublic | instead of saying that, I bought an atheros wifi unit. |
| 14:25.51 | qanf320 | ksk, or, should I say it like this: if I update sshd and new config options are added by the update, which obviously ansible scripts/yml files wouldn't know about, would the new options remain? |
| 14:25.52 | b1ack0p | joepublic: do you use old laptop? |
| 14:26.03 | qanf320 | ksk, can't join without registering on freenode |
| 14:26.10 | joepublic | I have a couple old laptops, yeah |
| 14:26.15 | b1ack0p | ok |
| 14:26.21 | b1ack0p | what about laptops using intel wifi? |
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| 14:26.36 | qanf320 | ksk, thing is, if I read the docs and after 3 days I find out the options are overwritten, I'll be very disappoint :) |
| 14:26.36 | ksk | qanf320: maybe think for yourself? how is that scenario different to the one you described on sentence earlier? |
| 14:26.50 | ksk | s/on/one |
| 14:27.07 | joepublic | if no blacklist, you can install a tiny pcie atheros card; if blacklist, D-link is one brand that has available USB units with atheros chipset |
| 14:27.16 | qanf320 | ksk, same scenario, just a different way of sayin it |
| 14:27.33 | ksk | of course they are overwritten. you DO NOT do changes locally, if you use configmangment. its a style of "infrastructure as code" - and if you are sane, you have a testing pool.. |
| 14:27.55 | qanf320 | ok I'll pretend I undestood that haha |
| 14:27.58 | nyov | you'll want to manage all your configs with the config management system. overwriting files is likely |
| 14:28.10 | ksk | then you see on "test01" that package X got updated - you check the changes, and feed new config files to $ansible-backend |
| 14:28.30 | qanf320 | hmm |
| 14:28.41 | joepublic | Atheros card: https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Atheros-AR5B91-802-11n-draft-2-Wireless-LAN-PCIe-Half-Minicard-T77H047-OEM/312622566055?epid=1721805126&hash=item48c9c1caa7:g:y9kAAOSwZ8ZXApCw |
| 14:28.42 | qanf320 | guess I need to read the docs to get that |
| 14:28.43 | ksk | then you say "ansible do package upgrade && ansible do config-foo" and be done |
| 14:29.38 | b1ack0p | joepublic: on most of ThinkPads wifi cards are in whitelist |
| 14:29.46 | qanf320 | ok must read docs, thanks ksk |
| 14:29.47 | nyov | that's the downside with ALL the current config management systems, they all don't really integrate well |
| 14:29.48 | b1ack0p | i mean you cannot use any other wifi card |
| 14:29.57 | qanf320 | and nyov, thansk:) |
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| 14:30.10 | b1ack0p | unles you crack the bios |
| 14:30.18 | joepublic | on my old thinkpad I haven't tried yet, I just use the d-link usb dongle. that atheros card is sitting on my desk as a testament to my laziness |
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| 14:30.30 | b1ack0p | ok |
| 14:30.35 | nyov | qanf320: but there is one solution for more control. but I forget the name regularly |
| 14:30.55 | qanf320 | what do you mean more control? |
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| 14:31.54 | joepublic | in fact i think i will try it right now |
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| 14:33.03 | nyov | qanf320: augeas. that was that name :p |
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| 14:33.19 | Akuw | when use deb-src [trusted=yes] file:///var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ./ in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local-apt-repository.list |
| 14:33.23 | Akuw | ./ means ? |
| 14:33.27 | qanf320 | nyov, sounds greek |
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| 14:33.38 | nyov | qanf320: http://augeas.net/ you can use that with a config management system though |
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| 14:34.07 | qanf320 | whoah!!!!! "It parses configuration files in their native formats and transforms them into a tree. Configuration changes are made by manipulating this tree and saving it back into native config files." |
| 14:34.10 | firespeaker | anyone else having random crashes of chromium on unstable? |
| 14:34.12 | qanf320 | I like that, I like it a lot |
| 14:34.16 | nyov | :) |
| 14:34.23 | nyov | like a config hive |
| 14:34.26 | qanf320 | nyov, much appreciated, will look into it |
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| 14:35.41 | firespeaker | Akuw: ./ normally means the directory you're in, but I'm not sure what it's being used for in that context |
| 14:36.12 | ksk | He is been asking that question daily :x |
| 14:36.42 | firespeaker | ksk: then an answer would help everyone, no? |
| 14:37.14 | noahmg123 | DHCP requests are timing out for me, but only when trying to connect to specific networks. |
| 14:37.52 | ksk | I do believe you acted in good faith, but it will in fact, not help him ;) |
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| 14:41.32 | DeepSpaceObserve | @y@ |
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| 14:44.32 | spacebug^ | I have found out that is I set 'UserStopDelaySec=10s' in logind.conf, then a logout/login reloads the user group membership. However backgroud processes are killed when doing so. (for example screen). Could this be fixed by setting the 'enable-linger' option to the use using loginctl? |
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| 14:47.19 | spacebug^ | Wow, it seems so. Just tried in a VM. Why does not Debian choose this approach? |
| 14:48.38 | ksk | eh? I expect all users processes (that were started in that graphical session) to terminate, if I logout. |
| 14:48.40 | raspi | i think it's systemd and not debian related |
| 14:49.09 | joepublic | i detest working on laptops |
| 14:49.23 | spacebug^ | ksk: even a screen session? |
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| 14:50.03 | spacebug^ | ksk: the way debian hjandles it now is that no processes are not killed (which also makes is so that one has to reboot to reload group memberships) |
| 14:50.29 | ksk | I doubt both, but cannot logout right now :P |
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| 14:51.32 | ksk | how do you check which groups your "desktop" runs with in the first place? :o |
| 14:51.42 | spacebug^ | id |
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| 14:53.26 | spacebug^ | But setting 'UserStopDelaySec=10s' in logind.conf and also run 'loginctl enable-linger' once makes the system behave as I would expect it to |
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| 14:54.23 | qanf320 | nyov, you are a god! Augeas is exacty what I wanted! /quit laters |
| 14:54.39 | nyov | lol |
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| 14:59.04 | ksk | spacebug^: mhhm seems you are right. I dont tinker around with desktops too much, and -iirc- if you are conneted to a remote machine via ssh starting an new shell is enough to get into the new group, so I naivly assumed it would be the same. |
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| 14:59.33 | Akuw | i am trying to install one package, all deb files are locally and configure in sources.list |
| 14:59.36 | Akuw | i got https://paste.debian.net/1124851/ |
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| 15:00.56 | karlpinc | Akuw: You don't install .deb files with apt. You use dpkg. But see also: |
| 15:00.57 | spacebug^ | ksk: yes login to a new tty or ssh session makes it reload the user groups |
| 15:01.00 | karlpinc | !don't break debian |
| 15:01.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:01.09 | ksk | Akuw: what are you *really* trying to do? If you want to install a deb file, you do "apt install some_package.deb" and be done with it.. |
| 15:01.31 | Akuw | ksk: that is what i am doing |
| 15:01.38 | ksk | karlpinc: in fact, you do, nowadays ;) |
| 15:01.41 | Akuw | but that package is giving me that error |
| 15:01.48 | Akuw | specifically that |
| 15:01.52 | karlpinc | ksk: Whodathought. :) |
| 15:02.05 | karlpinc | Akuw: No. You're not putting .deb on the end. |
| 15:02.34 | karlpinc | Akuw: And for that matter, you used apt-get, not apt. |
| 15:02.40 | ksk | Akuw: you dont "configure deb files in sources.list" if you want to install a local deb.. |
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| 15:02.52 | Akuw | is configured |
| 15:03.05 | ksk | but its not the right thing to do. |
| 15:03.38 | ksk | furthermore, you dont just "pull some random .deb" see that it does not install, and then pull even more random dependency debs that would in theory match that package, but not your system. |
| 15:03.58 | ksk | how about sharing what you are installing, like providing real in and output? |
| 15:03.59 | ksk | !bat |
| 15:03.59 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:05.01 | ksk | ah, you are trying to install "javacardst4sign" - you forgot to mask that in line 12 :> |
| 15:05.14 | ksk | ,v javacardst4sign |
| 15:05.15 | judd | No package named 'javacardst4sign' was found in amd64. |
| 15:05.52 | ksk | is that package, that you are installing, in fact even built for the debian release you are running? |
| 15:06.28 | ksk | if not, you can forget about it, its not gonna work (And if it does with many workarounds, it will totally mess up your system) |
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| 15:07.19 | Akuw | ksk: yes was built for that version |
| 15:07.40 | ksk | the fact that it does not install indicated otherwise. |
| 15:08.03 | Akuw | jessie_amd64 |
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| 15:08.24 | joepublic | jessie is not very recent |
| 15:08.28 | ksk | if you want anymore support (from me, at least), answer my questions. |
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| 15:12.19 | joepublic | By experimentation I learned today that my Thinkpad 0199-A53 does in fact blacklist wifi cards. |
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| 15:44.58 | f-a | can I send this link to my mum if she wants to install adblock plus? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/ or is there a different way to do it on Debian? |
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| 15:45.11 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 15:45.33 | b1ack0p | i just installed debian 10 32bit to my old thinkpad |
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| 15:45.56 | b1ack0p | installed firmware-iwlwifi but wifi doesnt work |
| 15:46.03 | b1ack0p | what can i do? |
| 15:46.43 | dreamer | f-a: you should send her https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ instead |
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| 15:47.13 | f-a | dreamer: ok |
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| 15:49.00 | b1ack0p | intel pro/wireless lan 2100 3B mini pci adapter |
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| 15:51.38 | b1ack0p | i also installed firmware-ipw2x00 package but still no wifi |
| 15:51.52 | b1ack0p | should i restart or logout? |
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| 15:53.00 | Aelu | Hi |
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| 15:53.25 | Aelu | Does anyone know of any tools on Debian Buster that I can use to compile IOS apps? |
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| 15:54.29 | b1ack0p | i added "contrib non-free" at /etc/apt/sources.list at the end of deb .... main |
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| 15:54.35 | b1ack0p | all lines |
| 15:55.13 | Aelu | What are you needing to get @b1ack0p? |
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| 15:56.02 | b1ack0p | Aelu: installed debian on my old thinkpad but wifi doesnt work |
| 15:56.07 | b1ack0p | i dont know what s the problem |
| 15:56.21 | b1ack0p | it shows in lspci list intel pro wireless 2100 3b adapter |
| 15:56.25 | Aelu | Oof I had this problem too. Whats your output of "sudo iwconfig"? |
| 15:56.26 | b1ack0p | i installed non free |
| 15:56.36 | b1ack0p | installed iwlwifi |
| 15:56.39 | b1ack0p | but not working |
| 15:56.44 | b1ack0p | just a min |
| 15:57.03 | b1ack0p | no wireless extension it sazs |
| 15:57.06 | b1ack0p | says |
| 15:57.19 | Aelu | have you tried the "ipw2100" package? |
| 15:57.40 | b1ack0p | i installed firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 15:57.56 | b1ack0p | is it correct or should i also install ipw2100 |
| 15:58.02 | Aelu | try doing "sudo modprobe -r ipw2100 ; modprobe ipw2100" |
| 15:58.20 | b1ack0p | ok |
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| 15:59.12 | b1ack0p | Aelu: something happened |
| 15:59.19 | b1ack0p | and wifi indicator led light turned on :) |
| 15:59.23 | Aelu | :D |
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| 15:59.49 | Aelu | Yeah Linux doesn't like wifi as much as lan lol... It's a hassle on Arch too |
| 16:00.02 | b1ack0p | oh |
| 16:00.11 | Akuw | ksk: how can i see what version a debian a package was build for ? |
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| 16:00.41 | Aelu | Akuw: The version of the package? |
| 16:01.09 | Akuw | yes, a .deb |
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| 16:01.26 | Akuw | i have many and i want to know if were built for debian 8 or 9 |
| 16:01.35 | Aelu | try "apt-cache policy <package name>" |
| 16:01.35 | Akuw | before i install |
| 16:01.51 | ksk | Akuw: where the .. did you get that packages in the first place? |
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| 16:02.17 | Aelu | Yeah if it's from deb sources, then it's for your version of debian, unless you added other sources in your sources.list |
| 16:02.18 | ksk | Aelu: that only works if you dont download random .debs from the web and try to install them.. |
| 16:02.59 | Aelu | dpkg -s <package name> | grep '^Version:' |
| 16:02.59 | dpkg | Package: <package name> | grep '^Version:': Status: install ok installed |
| 16:03.34 | Aelu | "dpkg -s <package name> | grep '^Version:'" |
| 16:04.01 | Aelu | would show that for the deb packages that weren't installed via apt-get |
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| 16:05.48 | Akuw | dpkg-deb --info tree_1.7.0-3_amd64.deb |
| 16:06.10 | Akuw | but it does not show what was built for |
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| 16:07.11 | Akuw | i mean, if it was built for debian 8 or 9 |
| 16:07.16 | ksk | How can you have a debian package file and not know which release it was built for? where did you get that? what software are we talking about? |
| 16:07.24 | b1ack0p | Aelu: thank you :) i am connected to wifi now |
| 16:07.59 | joepublic | b1ack0p, guess what I found? ERROR 1802: Unauthorized network card is plugged in - Power off and remove the miniPCI network card |
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| 16:08.20 | joepublic | That's a love letter from my Thinkpad 0199-A53 |
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| 16:08.33 | b1ack0p | joepublic: which model i that |
| 16:08.44 | b1ack0p | i am on T42 at the moment :p |
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| 16:09.43 | joepublic | That's just a pure evil feature to be deliberately broken like that |
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| 16:11.07 | joepublic | as a double bonus, it also has radeon graphics which also don't work properly without proprietary firmware. It's like I have the world's worst thinkpad. |
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| 16:12.28 | greycat | almost all current video hardware needs non-free firmware, even Intel on-board stuff |
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| 16:13.10 | joepublic | my desktop PC uses nouveau; my other laptop has intel graphics that work fine with just debian main |
| 16:13.27 | greycat | if it's an older laptop, that's possible |
| 16:13.34 | b1ack0p | joepublic: my T42 also has radeon |
| 16:13.39 | joepublic | ~ 4 years old HP |
| 16:13.54 | b1ack0p | this is probably 15 yrs old |
| 16:14.06 | joepublic | heh a sturdy workhorse |
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| 16:35.22 | graphicsv | How can I install minimal version of MATE? |
| 16:35.34 | greycat | !install mate |
| 16:35.35 | dpkg | To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue". |
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| 17:04.22 | pitchplease | Hey there. I am trying to get a NFS share up and i dont se what package is the needed for the nfs server... |
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| 17:04.39 | greycat | ,i nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:04.41 | judd | Package nfs-kernel-server (net, optional) in buster/amd64: support for NFS kernel server. Version: 1:1.3.4-2.5; Size: 121.2k; Installed: 345k; Homepage: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:05.00 | pitchplease | judd: greycat thanks |
| 17:05.15 | pitchplease | is there a way to do RE/string search in repo?> |
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| 17:05.50 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:05.51 | greycat | apt-cache search, apt search, aptitude search, ... |
| 17:06.11 | greycat | I believe aptitude has full regular expression capability, but I'm not very familiar with it |
| 17:08.13 | Aelu | pitchplease: Are you using Debian 9 or 10? |
| 17:08.21 | Aelu | I recently set up an NFS server on 10. |
| 17:08.31 | greycat | It's been nfs-kernel-server for many releases now. |
| 17:09.18 | pitchplease | Aelu: i am on buster atm. |
| 17:09.19 | greycat | The other thing I'll point out is that you want your ethernet interface to be configured as "auto" NOT as "allow-hotplug" in /e/n/i, or else systemd may try to start nfs-kernel-server before it's up. |
| 17:09.33 | pitchplease | greycat: excuse me what? |
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| 17:09.47 | greycat | Yeah, no, I'm going to lunch and NOT getting embroiled in THIS again. |
| 17:09.56 | greycat | !/e/n/i |
| 17:09.56 | dpkg | /etc/network/interfaces -- the configuration file for network interfaces in Debian |
| 17:09.59 | greycat | Figure it out. |
| 17:10.26 | pitchplease | yeah i know greycat its just sysd beeing sysd again |
| 17:11.31 | johnfg | so, my tunnel is coming up, 10.8.0.6, which I can ping, but cannot ping any of the other clients on the network in the 10.8.0 class(?). |
| 17:11.48 | johnfg | I can ping them within the 192.168.0 class(?). |
| 17:12.27 | pitchplease | Aelu: any insights about what you did and how? |
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| 17:15.09 | ksk | johnfg: not that you shared any useful details, but in openvpn for example there is an option in the server which enabled clients to speak to each other. |
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| 17:16.02 | johnfg | ksk: I did so much last week here, and with help got openvpn starting! Just didn't put it all up again. |
| 17:16.07 | ksk | also, forget about "class", call it a subnet - though you then also need to supply a mask, like /24 |
| 17:16.23 | johnfg | ksk: All these problems came about after my upgrading to buster. |
| 17:16.23 | ksk | oh, its you :D |
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| 17:16.55 | johnfg | the openvpn server is still running stretch (an older machine). |
| 17:17.20 | johnfg | And a windows machine is running an openvpn client. |
| 17:17.44 | johnfg | The others talk, and this machine used to, but something's not configured right, I guess. |
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| 17:21.12 | Akuw | where can i download openjdk 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1 |
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| 17:21.18 | Akuw | that version exactly |
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| 17:22.20 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 17:22.20 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 17:23.27 | towo` | Akuw, how often you want to ask that question again and again and again? |
| 17:25.06 | Akuw | that question never was answered |
| 17:25.17 | Akuw | i found this https://distros-repository.usharesoft.com/debian/jessie-backports/mirror/ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openjdk-8/ |
| 17:25.26 | towo` | sure, everytime |
| 17:25.44 | greycat | I just answered it, so you can no longer make that claim. |
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| 17:28.15 | Akuw | greycat is back |
| 17:28.17 | Akuw | heheh |
| 17:28.22 | cassius36 | Bonjour, Je souhaiterais savoir si l'OCR qui fonctionne (très bien) avec XSANE fonctionnerait aussi avec un Scanner à main IRISCAN BOOK5 Merci par avance et Bonne Année § |
| 17:28.27 | johnfg | Any ideas on why I can't ping the 10.8.0 subnet? |
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| 17:29.01 | johnfg | I can only ping this machine, 10.8.0.6. |
| 17:29.12 | joepublic | on ne parle français en #debian |
| 17:29.15 | johnfg | ssh -vvv doesn't give any info. |
| 17:29.20 | Thedarkb1 | Je suis anglais? |
| 17:29.25 | joepublic | c'est dommage, mais c'est vrai. |
| 17:29.30 | Thedarkb1 | That was wrong |
| 17:29.31 | greycat | !fr |
| 17:29.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
| 17:29.48 | annadane | i would answer but i don't know anything about xsane |
| 17:29.56 | joepublic | there should be a "pas" in there somewhere |
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| 17:36.22 | tatsumaru | hey guys, noob debian here quick question |
| 17:36.41 | tatsumaru | what is the main point of upgrading a debian distro from one version to another for example 8 to 9 |
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| 17:36.53 | tatsumaru | what stops me from just using 8 and upgrading just the apps? |
| 17:37.03 | greycat | you get newer versions of stuff, and you get continued security support |
| 17:37.16 | greycat | Support for older versions only continues for a limited time. |
| 17:37.20 | tatsumaru | so you don't have access to these versions if you use an older debian distro |
| 17:38.56 | johnfg | Is there anything i can show to solve the problem with openvpn (which at least is running!)? |
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| 18:42.26 | misterred | hi |
| 18:43.25 | misterred | now i have to be registered to join one channel, i registered yesterday, now i have message: "you have to be registered ..." Can someone help me? |
| 18:43.40 | greycat | "/msg nickserv help" |
| 18:44.02 | greycat | if you've registered already, the next step is "/msg nickserv identify yourpassword" |
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| 18:45.20 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:46.12 | johnfg | I rebooted a couple of times, and on this client, all seems to be good, as far as the openvpn-client is concerned. But I still can't ping any other addresses on the 10.8.0 subnet. |
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| 18:54.13 | johnfg | What else could be stopping this subnet from being reached? |
| 18:54.53 | johnfg | No messages in syslog I can see that are relevant. |
| 18:54.59 | sweb | iv try to recompile php how to use option https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Sqsh9vFCfG/ embed_config during dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b |
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| 18:56.03 | sweb | i need to recompile php with modification using debian source package / buster but i can find any documentation to how to compile embed_config as comilpe package config |
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| 19:10.40 | johnfg | and nmap shows that port 22 is open |
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| 19:31.08 | pitchplease | greycat: maybe i want free moneyz?! |
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| 19:32.38 | greycat | I'm somewhat surprised there was no K-line. |
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| 19:41.13 | starbux | I use Debian and PulseAudio. I have a problem with audio, primarily in VLC, being really low. It seems dialogue is low, whereas background audio can be really high.I've tracked the problem down to, I think, channel downmixing. Now, I have two questions: how do I figure out how many channels my sound card actually have (does that matter?), and how |
| 19:41.13 | starbux | do I set up a PulseAudio profile (?) to enforce downmixing? If that is what I want to do. |
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| 19:44.16 | diogenes_ | starbux, try asking in #pulseaudio. |
| 19:44.37 | starbux | diogenes_, thanks, I did. |
| 19:45.45 | Organism | is debian 10 out? |
| 19:45.56 | greycat | Yes, since last summer. |
| 19:45.57 | annadane | for a while now, yes |
| 19:46.09 | greycat | !buster |
| 19:46.09 | annadane | july 6 2019 i think |
| 19:46.09 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 19:46.09 | Organism | oh what |
| 19:46.12 | Organism | lol |
| 19:46.32 | annadane | the future is now |
| 19:46.40 | Organism | where was i |
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| 19:47.19 | karlpinc | Organism: Not subscribed to the debian-announce mailing list. :) |
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| 20:06.10 | Akuw | sorry, i am not clear with Package file |
| 20:06.24 | Akuw | every time i run apt-get update that file is updated? |
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| 20:06.50 | greycat | apt-get update may (or may not, if there's no change) update the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 20:06.52 | Akuw | for example, i have a folder with some .deb files and i download a file from main repo and copy there |
| 20:07.11 | greycat | That has nothing to do with apt-get. |
| 20:07.18 | greycat | Now you just have a directory with n+1 files in it. |
| 20:07.47 | Akuw | how can i update Package file then? |
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| 20:07.58 | Akuw | after copy that new .deb package |
| 20:08.05 | greycat | Are you trying to turn a directory with n+1 .deb files into a REPOSITORY of your OWN? |
| 20:09.00 | Akuw | actually i installed all packages using local repo, own packages and debian packages |
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| 20:09.31 | Akuw | but i am not clear how Packages file has all packages i installed but not the new packages i downloaded |
| 20:09.44 | greycat | There is no Packages file in this directory. There are just some .deb files. |
| 20:10.19 | Akuw | there is one Package file that have all info about packages |
| 20:10.38 | Akuw | i thought that file was updated everytime i run apt-get update |
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| 20:11.12 | greycat | apt-get update DOES NOT KNOW OR CARE about your directory with .deb files |
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| 20:11.14 | Akuw | i have |
| 20:11.15 | Akuw | deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
| 20:11.19 | greycat | ,,c,vjsnsfhjksldhfkjl |
| 20:11.23 | Akuw | and |
| 20:11.23 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 20:11.24 | Akuw | deb-src [trusted=yes] file:///var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
| 20:11.40 | greycat | 15:08 greycat> Are you trying to turn a directory with n+1 .deb files into a REPOSITORY of your OWN? |
| 20:11.47 | towo` | the same procedure as every day |
| 20:11.51 | greycat | The correct answer to that would have been YES. |
| 20:12.02 | Akuw | yes |
| 20:12.09 | ksk | Akuw: I can only repeat myself: How can you have a debian package file and not know which release it was built for? where did you get that? what software are we talking about? |
| 20:12.22 | ksk | you can of course continue wasting other peoples time |
| 20:12.29 | towo` | apt update does not update any packages file in $somerepo |
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| 20:13.34 | Akuw | then the question is, how can i install new .deb files and make apt resolve dependencies |
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| 20:13.44 | towo` | and for a local repo you has to update that file yourself |
| 20:13.46 | Akuw | of course updating Packages |
| 20:14.05 | Akuw | towo: manually or is there any command |
| 20:14.08 | seere | Akuw: you will need dpkg-scanpackage and update the packages file for the repo yourself |
| 20:14.09 | towo` | use debian as it is or learn how to manage a local repo |
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| 20:14.36 | Akuw | dpkg-scanpackage is the only way? |
| 20:14.37 | towo` | every day the same shit |
| 20:15.43 | greycat | I get 10 days of respite before that /ignore wears off. I might just have to perma-/ignore this one. He's especially resistant to education. |
| 20:16.41 | Akuw | greycat: you are wrong again |
| 20:16.46 | Akuw | i read |
| 20:16.52 | Akuw | i just have doubts |
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| 20:17.16 | Akuw | you said dpkg-scanpackges but that command is not there |
| 20:17.30 | Akuw | and i search using apt-cache but not there |
| 20:17.36 | towo` | learn how to manage local repos |
| 20:17.48 | towo` | or do not things without any clue |
| 20:18.29 | greycat | More directly, if someone ASKS you "are you trying to ___" and you are in fact trying to do that exact thing, you say "yes". |
| 20:19.14 | towo` | if the command is not there, how you have created the packages file before you have copied ne packages to your repo? |
| 20:19.25 | towo` | s/ne/the |
| 20:19.28 | Akuw | another person did |
| 20:19.39 | Akuw | in another place |
| 20:19.44 | towo` | har har |
| 20:19.46 | Akuw | they just give it to me |
| 20:19.59 | seere | Akuw: install dpkg-dev for dpkg-scanpackages |
| 20:20.00 | towo` | i would say, go, play elsewhere, learn some basics |
| 20:20.16 | Akuw | no, i found, any way thanks |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | Near as I can tell, he thought apt-get update would CREATE his local repository for him, never mind the fact that apt-get is a CLIENT-SIDE command and not a REPOSITORY (server) side command... |
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| 20:21.34 | seere | Akuw: for starter read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup, especially "Quick instructions to create a trivial local archive with dpkg-scanpackages" |
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| 20:21.45 | Akuw | ok, thanks |
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| 20:23.49 | karlpinc | Akuw: I suspect that what you really need to tell us is what your end-goal is. Like "I want debian to control my soccer robot." Because you're probably spending a lot of effort to build a frankendebian that, if it's not broken the moment you finish, will either quickly break or quickly get out-of-date and have security problems and so forth. |
| 20:23.55 | Akuw | if enybody need to know: dpkg-scanpackges is in dpkg-dev package |
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| 20:24.34 | seere | Akuw: yes, I said that some lines above... |
| 20:24.36 | spacebug^ | :) |
| 20:25.08 | Akuw | ohh sorry, now i realize |
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| 20:26.41 | wwilliam | hello i have change the user name with this command usermod -l newusername oldusername , I have renamed the /home i have edited /etc/password with the /home |
| 20:27.06 | wwilliam | but i have to so startx to ge kde what else do i need to do? |
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| 20:27.33 | Akuw | done |
| 20:27.35 | Akuw | :) |
| 20:27.42 | greycat | At the BARE minimum, log out and make sure no process is running as that user. Perhaps you need to reboot? I've never renamed a user before. |
| 20:28.00 | greycat | Crontabs also need to be renamed. And mail files in /var/mail/ if any. |
| 20:28.31 | wwilliam | greycat: to renamed I logged out login as root and do the changes. |
| 20:28.50 | wwilliam | but i dont get graphical now , i have to do startx |
| 20:29.07 | wwilliam | well the old user did not have any crontabs |
| 20:29.13 | greycat | Did you try rebooting? Who the hell knows what information is being cached in dbus and /run/ and so on. |
| 20:29.21 | wwilliam | ok |
| 20:29.26 | wwilliam | rebooting... |
| 20:29.40 | spacebug^ | systemctl restart kdm? |
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| 20:30.29 | karlpinc | I'm trying to ssh to a _really_ old system and getting the error: Unable to negotiate with UNKNOWN port 65535: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 What's the right way to connect? |
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| 20:31.11 | karlpinc | (Where do I RTFM about the new "minimum security requirements" in buster?) |
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| 20:31.36 | Akuw | seere: when you run dpkg-scanpackge, why i get dpkg-scanpackages: warning: package setcpconfig (filename local-apt-repository/sepconfig_1.1.0_all.deb) is repeat; ignored that one and using data from local-apt-repository/sepconfig-1.1.0-all.deb! |
| 20:31.48 | Akuw | but why only in some packages ? |
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| 20:32.25 | wwilliam | Excellent, thank you greycat that reboot did it. |
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| 20:32.45 | greycat | It was just a guess, really. As I said, I've never done this. |
| 20:33.18 | wwilliam | I see. Thank you. |
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| 20:33.58 | wwilliam | what is this wallet thing everytime i tried to open google chrome? |
| 20:34.03 | frikinz | karlpinc: that might help: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html |
| 20:34.04 | karlpinc | Humm. Let me frob my ~/.ssh/config file per https://www.openssh.com/legacy.html .... |
| 20:34.12 | wwilliam | I have to hit cancel never set that kwallet. |
| 20:34.17 | frikinz | :) |
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| 20:35.52 | karlpinc | wwilliam: You need to frob (minimally) /home/foo /var/mail/foo /var/spool/cron/*/foo |
| 20:36.57 | greycat | yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there are MANY hidden instances of the old username hiding in various dot files in $HOME |
| 20:37.24 | wwilliam | what frob means? |
| 20:37.31 | wwilliam | !frob |
| 20:38.00 | greycat | in this context, I would imagine it means "look for" |
| 20:38.11 | greycat | or "look in" |
| 20:38.29 | wwilliam | i renamed chown -R /home/foo |
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| 20:38.46 | wwilliam | will check the other 2 now thank you karlpinc |
| 20:38.49 | greycat | did you check every dot file INSIDE the home directory, though? |
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| 20:39.07 | frikinz | wwilliam: it uses kwallet to store a master password to decrypt all your stored password. I have just enabled the default wallet which probably unlocks at login, at least kwallet doesnt ask me anything and all just works. |
| 20:39.19 | greycat | 15:28 greycat> Crontabs also need to be renamed. And mail files in /var/mail/ if any. |
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| 20:40.38 | karlpinc | greycat: Yeah. Sorry for the repeat. My was brain busy percolating. (I did rename a user, years and years ago.) |
| 20:43.20 | wwilliam | ok let me see tha kwallet default |
| 20:43.37 | karlpinc | wwilliam: http://foldoc.org/frobnicate |
| 20:43.55 | Akuw | why the person who create that localrepo did 2 Package files? |
| 20:44.16 | Akuw | one deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
| 20:44.27 | Akuw | and other deb-src [trusted=yes] file:///var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ./ |
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| 20:44.53 | greycat | dpkg, frob is http://foldoc.org/frobnicate |
| 20:44.54 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:44.54 | Akuw | i check the files but only break when i rename the one in /srv/ |
| 20:44.57 | wwilliam | ok I unabled the kwallet now chrome opens without asking kwallet for permissions |
| 20:45.02 | greycat | who knows, someone else may use it some day |
| 20:45.09 | Akuw | hummmm |
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| 20:48.11 | karlpinc | frikinz: Yup, ~/.ssh/config worked. But I also had to frob my ciphers. |
| 20:48.58 | greycat | ~/.ssh/config on another host would be another place to look for your old username... |
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| 20:50.24 | frikinz | Akuw: deb and deb-src are two different things.. binary vs source packages. ? |
| 20:51.12 | Akuw | frikinz: yes, but i check Package file and path is the same |
| 20:51.37 | Akuw | so, i dont know why to use 2 diferent lines in .list file |
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| 20:53.43 | towo` | Akuw, because you know nothing, you have no clue about the debian basics |
| 20:54.26 | towo` | but you want to break your debian with local debs, so do it, but don't ask about help |
| 20:54.41 | Akuw | towo: no |
| 20:55.03 | Akuw | i told that PCs use old version of debian and use custom package |
| 20:55.12 | towo` | sure, you are absolut clueless what you do |
| 20:55.17 | Akuw | why they install old package because custom software use it |
| 20:55.30 | Akuw | got it? |
| 20:55.42 | Akuw | my jobs is just configure PC so all software run |
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| 20:55.54 | jelly-home | towo`, would you imagine, telling someone they're clueless is seldom constructive or useful |
| 20:55.54 | towo` | your job? you kidding |
| 20:56.01 | Akuw | requeriment is to install the version they said |
| 20:56.03 | karlpinc | towo`: Be nice. |
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| 20:56.31 | Akuw | towo: you are talking things with no sense |
| 20:56.44 | Akuw | you know nothing about scenario |
| 20:57.19 | seere | Akuw: a very short description about deb and deb-src entries can be found in sources.list(5) |
| 20:57.43 | jelly-home | Akuw is probably still dealing with offline machines with horribly old debian installed? |
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| 20:58.40 | seere | Akuw: in your case - both refer to the same directory, but evaluate different files (Packages.gz vs. Sources.gz) |
| 20:59.18 | greycat | sources.list, deb, deb-src, apt-get update are all CLIENT things. You run them on your Debian system, and they affect your Debian system ONLY. |
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| 20:59.43 | greycat | They do not create or manage a REPOSITORY, which is a server thing. Even if the repository happens to be on the same computer, it's still NOT managed by apt-get. |
| 21:00.02 | seere | Akuw: and as you just learned about dpkg-scanpackages, read on in dpkg-scansources(1) |
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| 21:02.05 | frikinz | Haven't read backlog but you might also check if you really need a deb-src line. |
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| 21:04.36 | seere | frikinz: nobody knows if he needs the sources to be downloaded with apt too.. |
| 21:05.05 | greycat | to the best of my knowledge there were never any source (as in deb-src) files at all |
| 21:05.35 | greycat | the original problem statement was 15:06 Akuw> for example, i have a folder with some .deb files and i download a file from main repo and copy there |
| 21:06.15 | jelly-home | greycat, was that December 2019, or earlier? I don't remember how long this has been going on |
| 21:06.23 | greycat | today |
| 21:06.52 | greycat | It's quite possible that this problem started before today, but I'm just using what's in my scrollback here. |
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| 21:08.15 | qanf320 | nyov, found a funny way to remember Augeas: a(h)ugeas(s) =) |
| 21:08.25 | frikinz | heh looks like he finished rebuilding his libc :D |
| 21:08.32 | jelly-home | greycat, I vaguely remember Akuw's asking about a way to install stuff via apt on some offline jessie machines last year, before I went away and came back from a two week vacation |
| 21:09.07 | greycat | It looks like he settled on "I will create a repository in /srv/" but of course he couldn't just SAY that. |
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| 21:14.11 | jelly-home | could have made a whole mirror on an external disk by now and sneakernetted it over there |
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| 21:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | It's funny how the more incorrect a person's understanding of how things work is, the more adamantly sure that they know they're right. |
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| 21:16.58 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect |
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| 21:17.26 | jelly-home | offers jhutchins a Dunning-Krugerrand for that th...ninjad! |
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| 21:30.23 | amunak | I've migrated from mariadb to percona. They use the same data directory. Is it still safe to do `apt purge mariadb-server` or will it fuck up the data directory? |
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| 21:34.39 | greycat | mariadb-server-10.3.postrm appears to contain some code that removes files in /var/lib/mysql/ at least under some conditions |
| 21:34.40 | karlpinc | amunak: I don't know but I suspect you will have problems. But you can "dpkg -L mariadb" and decide what to delete manually. |
| 21:35.26 | greycat | it also references #829491 and #608938 |
| 21:35.27 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/829491 in mariadb-server-10.0 (closed, patch): «mariadb-server-10.0: Removes lost+found directory if purged, /var/lib/mysql is a mountpoint with an ext4 filesystem, and user requests to remove all databases»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-07-03; last modified: 2016-11-12. |
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| 21:39.32 | amunak | thanks, I'll just check the files manually then |
| 21:40.25 | karlpinc | amunak: Wouldn't hurt to read mariadb-server-10.3.postrm. Probably found in /var/lib/apt/... (I think) |
| 21:40.35 | greycat | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 21:41.14 | greycat | the removal of files is enclosed in a block that checks a variable named RET but I have no idea what sets this variable's value |
| 21:41.38 | greycat | possibly one of those db_* commands, if those are shell functions and not utilities... |
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| 21:49.53 | amunak | greycat: actually the removal wouldn't run for me because I moved the data directory before uninstalling |
| 21:49.57 | amunak | so the flag file doesn't exist |
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| 21:50.16 | greycat | in any case, I suggest backing up the data before proceeding |
| 21:50.49 | amunak | yeah that's probably a good idea |
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| 21:52.32 | jelly | debconf is weird. If the postrm is a sh script, it reexecs it under itself. (inside . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule at the top). db_get is indeed a function. |
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| 21:55.15 | amunak | aaand it worked... kinda? Didn't even remove the old config files, but that's not a big deal |
| 21:55.24 | amunak | data is safe though |
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| 21:57.30 | ksk | can I do a whois lookup of a v6 IP on the console? (just whois $v6-ip does not seem to work ;) |
| 21:58.00 | annadane | does anyone else who uses MATE in debian 10 have a thing where the file manager won't reset themes properly? if you drop a background colour into caja then it'll tend to stay that way even after you change system-wide themes, even if you reset the caja theme |
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| 21:58.12 | annadane | i don't think it warrants being fixed in stable, it's not serious enough |
| 21:59.04 | ksk | oh nevermind, whois is telling me its a 6-to-4 address.. |
| 21:59.31 | jelly | ksk, wfm. whois 2001:470:1::2 |
| 22:00.07 | greycat | the man page says it should work for both, down in the midsection, but in the top section it says IPv4 only |
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| 22:14.27 | karlpinc | Yay! Another excuse to file a bug report. We're nearly within 50,000 of having reported a million bugs, according to the bug numbering. |
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| 22:22.16 | ksk | works for the address jelly has provided, not for mine - suppose its something special about it. Will figure that out tomorrow, thanks :) |
| 22:25.04 | jelly | switch to he.net for your tunneling needs? :-) |
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| 22:29.49 | annadane | must file trivial bugs |
| 22:31.26 | ksk | "mine" as in random IP I wanted to whois |
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| 22:37.19 | warsoul | hello |
| 22:37.26 | warsoul | im trying to install slack on my pc |
| 22:37.40 | dvs | why are you asking us? |
| 22:37.43 | Thedarkb | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian on a ThinkPad X40 via netinst, but I keep getting link is not ready. |
| 22:37.53 | warsoul | is givin mis this error when trying sudo apt install ./slack |
| 22:38.04 | warsoul | E: Unsupported file ./slack-dekstop-*.deb given on commandline |
| 22:38.13 | dvs | Thedarkb, are you tring to install over Wifi? |
| 22:38.14 | jelly | Thedarkb, wired ethernet connection? |
| 22:38.14 | CrystalMath | why is the tor service automatically installed with the tor package? |
| 22:38.18 | Organism | warsoul: no |
| 22:38.20 | Organism | download it |
| 22:38.20 | ksk | warsoul: contact slack support, thanks. |
| 22:38.21 | Thedarkb | WiFi. |
| 22:38.33 | Organism | open with gdebi |
| 22:38.36 | dvs | !tekk Thedarkb about firmware iso |
| 22:38.42 | Thedarkb | I have tried to install Debian on this machine six times without any luck getting the WiFi installed. |
| 22:38.45 | dvs | !tell Thedarkb about firmware iso |
| 22:38.46 | Thedarkb | I'm using the firmware iso. |
| 22:38.57 | ksk | CrystalMath: because it is needed to start tor? the config will not act as a node, if that is your question.. ;) |
| 22:39.00 | Organism | warsoul: apt-get install gdebi |
| 22:39.00 | warsoul | Organism ??? |
| 22:39.00 | jelly | warsoul, which debian release are you using? |
| 22:39.04 | warsoul | 10 |
| 22:39.32 | jelly | warsoul, alright, and where precisely did you get the .deb from, and what's the complete file name? |
| 22:39.41 | CrystalMath | ksk: but it's not need, i can just start tor as a regular user |
| 22:39.45 | warsoul | i got it from slack.com |
| 22:39.52 | Organism | warsoul: apt-get install gdebi |
| 22:39.58 | jelly | warsoul, that's not very precise |
| 22:40.09 | Organism | then open download with gdebi |
| 22:40.14 | CrystalMath | ksk: *not needed |
| 22:40.22 | Organism | right click open with |
| 22:40.26 | ksk | CrystalMath: that might be, but it is still a kind of daemon application ;) you can "systemctl disable tor" if you dont want it to start tor |
| 22:40.29 | jelly | Organism, also there's no reason for gdebi, a new enough apt can indeed install a deb package file and deps |
| 22:40.39 | warsoul | jelly slack-desktop-4.2.0-amd64.deb |
| 22:40.50 | Thedarkb | Aelu, Are you around, by any chance, b1ack0p from ##ibmthinkpad said you sorted it for him on a T42. |
| 22:40.54 | CrystalMath | ksk: not systemctl here :P |
| 22:41.27 | CrystalMath | ksk: but still it's weird that it's an enabled service by default |
| 22:42.21 | ksk | CrystalMath: soo, if you install for example apache2, is that any different? |
| 22:42.23 | jelly | warsoul, this thing? https://downloads.slack-edge.com/linux_releases/slack-desktop-4.2.0-amd64.deb |
| 22:43.06 | warsoul | jelly yes |
| 22:43.09 | warsoul | thats what i download |
| 22:43.33 | CrystalMath | ksk: idk, i just never imagined the use of tor as a daemon |
| 22:44.04 | jelly | warsoul, that ought to work on a 64bit debian. What does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your installation? |
| 22:44.19 | jelly | well, not "work", but at least "install" |
| 22:44.45 | warsoul | amd64 |
| 22:44.46 | jelly | warsoul, if it does not say "amd64" then you don't have a 64bit x86 installation |
| 22:45.14 | warsoul | then why im getting that error |
| 22:45.25 | ksk | CrystalMath: I never imagined any use but as a deamon :P - and if you install apache2, or mysql or whatever, it will always be started. |
| 22:45.32 | warsoul | o have the slack file on my download folder |
| 22:45.34 | jelly | warsoul, pastebin the whole output of "sudo apt install ./slack-desktop-4.2.0-amd64.deb" |
| 22:45.38 | warsoul | need to be changed? |
| 22:45.54 | jelly | after you cd into the directory where it's saved |
| 22:46.09 | jelly | !paste |
| 22:46.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:46.38 | shaggyz | q |
| 22:47.43 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: did you apply the command i mentioned earlier? |
| 22:48.12 | Thedarkb | modprobe -r ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200? |
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| 22:48.33 | warsoul | jelly http://paste.debian.net/1124906/ |
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| 22:49.08 | b1ack0p | sudo modprobe -r ipw2100 ; modprobe ipw2100 |
| 22:49.19 | b1ack0p | which intel card does x40 has? |
| 22:49.25 | jelly | warsoul, so the installation worked. |
| 22:49.33 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: ^^ |
| 22:49.35 | warsoul | yeah after cd Downloads |
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| 22:49.40 | warsoul | but at the end it says |
| 22:49.49 | warsoul | Run (13: Permission denied) |
| 22:49.58 | ksk | warsoul: read the whole line ;) |
| 22:50.05 | jelly | warsoul, it says more than that. |
| 22:50.08 | b1ack0p | T42 has ipw2100 card but maybe x40 has different |
| 22:50.24 | jelly | warsoul, and, more importantly, the installation WORKED |
| 22:50.37 | warsoul | yeah |
| 22:50.40 | warsoul | jelly thanks :) |
| 22:50.48 | warsoul | the file was on dowload folder on firefox |
| 22:50.48 | b1ack0p | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X40 |
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| 22:50.58 | Thedarkb | blackest_mamba, 2200 |
| 22:51.02 | Thedarkb | oops |
| 22:51.05 | warsoul | thats why it was giving me error and the beginning |
| 22:51.06 | Thedarkb | b1ack0p, ipw2200 |
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| 22:51.55 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 22:52.30 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: did you add "contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run update? |
| 22:52.34 | jelly | warsoul, the N: line is a notice, by default apt tries to grab packages as a non-admin user "_apt". It whined about not being able to read the file as user "_apt" but it still did it as "root" |
| 22:52.34 | b1ack0p | if so |
| 22:52.48 | b1ack0p | # apt-get update |
| 22:52.49 | Thedarkb | I'm still in the installer, b1ack0p |
| 22:52.49 | b1ack0p | # apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00 wireless-tools |
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| 22:52.59 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: install it without wifi |
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| 22:53.04 | b1ack0p | finalised it |
| 22:53.10 | b1ack0p | do you have ethernet_ |
| 22:53.11 | b1ack0p | ? |
| 22:53.14 | Thedarkb | I do. |
| 22:53.35 | b1ack0p | i suggest finish the installation first with ethernet connection |
| 22:53.43 | b1ack0p | then install firmwares later |
| 22:53.48 | b1ack0p | i did so |
| 22:54.47 | Thedarkb | b1ack0p, Firmware's already installed and loaded. |
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| 22:55.14 | b1ack0p | i dont know why "# modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" doesnt work |
| 22:55.47 | Thedarkb | I used the firmware installer. |
| 22:55.48 | b1ack0p | you are installing different than me it seems |
| 22:55.51 | b1ack0p | hmm |
| 22:55.56 | b1ack0p | never tried that with x40 |
| 22:56.03 | b1ack0p | but with x61s i tried |
| 22:56.03 | Thedarkb | I have, many many many times. |
| 22:56.10 | Thedarkb | None of them successful. |
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| 22:56.20 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: i suggest do my way |
| 22:56.30 | Thedarkb | I can see it there, loaded. |
| 22:56.31 | b1ack0p | install via official netinstaller with ethernet |
| 22:56.38 | Thedarkb | I can't really see a point. |
| 22:56.47 | b1ack0p | and then install firmware later |
| 22:56.54 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: maybe there is a point |
| 22:57.15 | Thedarkb | Well, I ned to re-install anyway, so I might as well I suppose. |
| 22:57.37 | b1ack0p | well i could connect wireless via my x40 |
| 22:58.14 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: are you installing Deb10? |
| 22:58.46 | jelly | Thedarkb, it's also possible the release you're trying to install is just too new and the drivers for your old hardware have been broken in the meantime |
| 22:59.04 | b1ack0p | ^^ :p |
| 22:59.29 | Thedarkb | I am. |
| 22:59.40 | b1ack0p | ok do it my way then |
| 22:59.43 | jelly | linux kernel devs do not care about breaking support for 12yr old hardware |
| 22:59.47 | Thedarkb | jelly, They do work under Ubuntu. |
| 22:59.53 | Thedarkb | Which would imply that they are still supported. |
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| 23:00.00 | b1ack0p | jelly: 16 yrs old treasury :p |
| 23:00.26 | jelly | Thedarkb, different distro, different kernel version and patches |
| 23:00.34 | b1ack0p | it is a real thinkpad Still working :p |
| 23:00.55 | Thedarkb | jelly, ndiswrapper time, I guess. |
| 23:00.56 | b1ack0p | did they upgrade kernel recently in 3-4 months maybe? |
| 23:01.28 | jelly | or a crazy idea: if ubuntu works, just use that |
| 23:01.54 | Thedarkb | Ubuntu is getting bloatd. |
| 23:02.23 | jelly | so use xubuntu or whatever |
| 23:02.49 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: did you try arch? |
| 23:02.56 | b1ack0p | or BSD? |
| 23:02.58 | jelly | it's not like ubuntu with gnome+thin unity config is going to be a lot more bloated than debian with gnome |
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| 23:03.22 | Thedarkb | Debian has some nice old-school Window managers. |
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| 23:05.05 | abrotman | old school? |
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| 23:05.33 | Thedarkb | IceWM |
| 23:05.48 | Thedarkb | It's also holding onto LXDE |
| 23:05.52 | abrotman | Why is that old school? |
| 23:05.56 | jelly | ,i fvwm1 |
| 23:05.58 | judd | Package fvwm1 (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Old version of the F(?) Virtual Window Manager. Version: 1.24r-56+b1; Size: 258.7k; Installed: 733k |
| 23:06.55 | Thedarkb | I used to use FVWM on my T41 |
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| 23:08.48 | abrotman | I used blackbox in 1998 ... I used it for a bit on my T460p :) |
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| 23:10.43 | annadane | saving memory is *slightly* less important now |
| 23:10.51 | annadane | now you can probably run GNOME on a toaster |
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| 23:11.16 | abrotman | it was more about the speed, less about memory |
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| 23:13.49 | dashs_ | Still use blackbox, since 1998 (or maybe earlier). Yes, you need to supply many addons. |
| 23:14.16 | Thedarkb | I still use LXDE on this X230. |
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| 23:19.00 | annadane | apt show blackbox "If none of this sounds familiar to you, or you want your computer to look like Microsoft Windows or Apple's OS X, you probably don't want this package." lol |
| 23:19.14 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: my x230 is collecting dust :p |
| 23:19.32 | Thedarkb | I use my X40 as a build tool for 32 bit apps. |
| 23:19.41 | b1ack0p | oh cool |
| 23:19.44 | Thedarkb | It's also got some heroic power consumption. |
| 23:19.51 | b1ack0p | like what? |
| 23:20.00 | b1ack0p | my x40 has dead battery :/ |
| 23:20.09 | Thedarkb | 5 hours on a chinese battery. |
| 23:20.15 | b1ack0p | oh |
| 23:20.16 | Thedarkb | But I mean plugged in. |
| 23:20.25 | Thedarkb | I never need worry about leaving it on. |
| 23:20.28 | b1ack0p | never got a replacement battery yet but for x40 i think i need one |
| 23:20.50 | jelly | it's probably more sane to use 32bit chroots and build on that X230 on a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace support |
| 23:20.51 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: is it possible to set battery threshold with chinese replacement batteries? |
| 23:21.16 | Thedarkb | Never tried. |
| 23:21.30 | b1ack0p | i wonder if TLP works |
| 23:21.34 | Thedarkb | I like keeping it around as an optimisation target too. |
| 23:21.56 | jelly | ivybridge from X230 will be a lot faster than uh, whatever centrino there was in X40 |
| 23:22.07 | Thedarkb | Intel Pentium M, 1.4ghz. |
| 23:22.30 | jelly | right, P3 based, 1MiB cache maybe |
| 23:23.15 | Thedarkb | Could be worse, could be NetBurst. |
| 23:23.47 | Thedarkb | I consider the slowness a plus |
| 23:24.04 | Thedarkb | I can identify performance issues right off the bat. |
| 23:24.44 | jelly | we were talking about build time, not run time performance |
| 23:24.58 | Thedarkb | Oh, yeah, build time is far faster on my X230. |
| 23:25.09 | Thedarkb | I might actually do a chroot when I can afford a larger drive. |
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| 23:57.35 | b1ack0p | Thedarkb: sup? |
| 23:57.43 | Thedarkb | Still installing. |
| 23:57.55 | b1ack0p | it should be installed in 1 hr |
| 23:58.05 | Thedarkb | It's a net installer. |
| 23:58.10 | Thedarkb | I have a very slow connection, |
| 23:58.53 | b1ack0p | right |
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