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| 00:32.34 | Squirrel1eanut | how might you background the whole bash shell [/bin/bash]? |
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| 00:33.55 | un214 | bash & |
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| 00:34.42 | un214 | there doesn't seem to be a way to start it in the foreground and shove it into the background later |
| 00:35.50 | un214 | oh wait yes there is. kill -TSTP $$ |
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| 01:25.05 | RonWhoCares | How do I re-start logrotate |
| 01:25.55 | sponix | RonWhoCares: systemd ? |
| 01:26.18 | dos1 | I guess I'm missing something in the kernel config... any idea what is it? |
| 01:26.19 | dos1 | ~$ sudo iptables -t nat -L |
| 01:26.20 | sponix | sudo service logrotate restart |
| 01:26.20 | dos1 | iptables v1.8.2 (nf_tables): CHAIN_ADD failed (No such file or directory): chain PREROUTING |
| 01:26.32 | sponix | might work |
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| 01:28.13 | sponix | RonWhoCares: hmm, that doesn't seem to be a separate service, maybe its a cron job instead... there is "rsyslog" as a service though |
| 01:28.38 | un214 | you mean you don't log to /run |
| 01:29.03 | RonWhoCares | i added 2 files with logrotate jobs to /etc/logrotate.d but they aren't running |
| 01:29.16 | RonWhoCares | I don't know how to get debian to realize they exist |
| 01:29.50 | sponix | RonWhoCares: it is a daily cron job so you can run it from /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 04:14.54 | nickgaw | Hi, With testing I was trying to build a default normal kernel source tarball from kernel.org and had to install libelf-dev but now it wants openssl header files and when I do as root apt-get install kernel-package it does not exist what should I install besides build-essential and libncurses-dev |
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| 04:19.33 | glick | hi |
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| 04:21.07 | glick | how does debian play with nvidia on laptops? |
| 04:21.20 | glick | i tried manjaro but it was an ABSOLUTE pain getting nvidia to work with it |
| 04:21.25 | glick | in a sane manner |
| 04:21.45 | nickgaw | What happens does anything come on the screen? |
| 04:22.02 | ficklepickle | With nvidia you probably want the proprietary driver, not nouveau |
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| 04:22.37 | glick | yeah ficklepickle. i understand but getting this working in a simple manner in manjaro is a nightmare |
| 04:22.47 | glick | other than that i loved the distro cause the software was very recent |
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| 04:22.55 | glick | and the package manager was sweet |
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| 04:25.04 | nickgaw | For my kernel compilation packages missing issue what meta package should I install? |
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| 04:25.53 | OneM_Industries | So, question. |
| 04:26.38 | nickgaw | I thought kernel-package would be in testing but this is not so? |
| 04:26.54 | joepublic | nickgaw, you can use apt build-dep linux-image-whatever-version-is-latest |
| 04:27.06 | nickgaw | ok did not know that. |
| 04:27.07 | OneM_Industries | Say I have a 32 bit install of debian on one machine, which I would like to upgrade. How possible will it be for me to transfer as many settings/configs as possible to a new, 64 bit implementation? |
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| 04:28.04 | OneM_Industries | The reason I ask is that this machine currently hosts a small webserver, and I'm not looking forward to going back through and setting everything back up from stock if I do not have to. |
| 04:28.06 | joepublic | use the following kernel as appropriate... |
| 04:28.24 | joepublic | judd: kernels |
| 04:28.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 04:28.26 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
| 04:28.42 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
| 04:28.59 | joepublic | hmm not sure why those are all 686 kernels |
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| 04:33.39 | OneM_Industries | joepublic: Yeah, I'm actually doing a major hardware upgrade on this machine. The old hardware doesn't support 64 bit, the new does. |
| 04:33.41 | dvs | joepublic, that is weird nowadays |
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| 04:34.41 | joepublic | OneM_Industries, you know your system best. What needs to be kept? I usually back up /home as-is, and back up /etc so I know what my old configuration info looked like, and start fresh |
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| 04:35.13 | OneM_Industries | Honestly, this machine has been used for so much over the years that it's easier to say what it's *not*. |
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| 04:35.46 | joepublic | settings/configs for programs you use are in your ~/.config and ~/.* (in /home), and generally for programs the system uses are in /etc |
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| 04:35.52 | OneM_Industries | Ok. |
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| 04:36.01 | glick | anyone running debian with cinnamon? |
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| 04:36.10 | joepublic | almost certainly |
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| 04:36.17 | glick | i mean in here? now |
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| 04:36.22 | joepublic | oh. xfce here |
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| 04:36.47 | glick | how does debian handle nvidia on laptops? |
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| 04:38.13 | nickgaw | ok just lots of linux-image-5.4.2-unsigned were going to be installed but I manually installed kernel-wedge but not the others as I want libraries and tools not older unsigned kernel images so what do I do? |
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| 04:39.39 | joepublic | nickgaw, for example: apt-get build-dep linux-image-5.4.0-2-amd64 |
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| 04:40.04 | glick | will the debian installer automatically setup my nvidia card? |
| 04:40.08 | joepublic | after that you should have what you need to build from sources |
| 04:40.34 | joepublic | glick, you have just nvidia or intel+nvidia graphics? |
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| 04:43.52 | glick | joepublic: i have nvidia + intel |
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| 04:45.01 | joepublic | okay, never tried it |
| 04:45.10 | nickgaw | openssl/bio.h no such file or directory. |
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| 04:46.58 | joepublic | I have told you what I did to successfully configure kernels from linux-libre and kernel.org - unfortuantely I dunno exactly what steps to use to finesse any given problem of that nature. |
| 04:47.37 | nickgaw | what is a RT kernel as now one is installed as well as a cloud kernel? |
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| 04:48.32 | BazookaTooth | nickgaw: real time kernel. mostly used for audio processing. you don't need it |
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| 04:49.48 | nickgaw | I downloaded linux-5.4-10.tar.xz from the main kernel.org site exttracted it and ran make defconfig then make and that is when I got the error message? |
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| 04:50.18 | glick | do you run testing on your desktops? |
| 04:50.22 | joepublic | how did the build-dep go? |
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| 04:50.45 | joepublic | runs stable or oldstable on servers, testing on my workstation & laptop |
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| 04:51.11 | joepublic | running testing means you volunteer to be a tester, but testing is a rolling (lurching?) release |
| 04:51.52 | nickgaw | it installed lots of linux-image-5.4.0-amd64-unsigned and the rt and cloud kernels no libraries or other tools. |
| 04:52.41 | glick | does stable get released once a year or so |
| 04:52.43 | glick | > |
| 04:54.57 | joepublic | well, stable/jessie came out in Apr 2015, stable/stretch in June 2017, stable/buster in July 2019. |
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| 04:55.17 | nickgaw | and installing all of those extra packages did not fix the fact the headers from openssl are not installed but if they are required for kernel compilation should they have not also been installed? |
| 04:55.28 | joepublic | There's no schedule; it releases "when ready" |
| 04:57.59 | joepublic | it might be apt-get build-dep linux to be honest; i am admittedly a little fuzzy on it |
| 04:58.11 | nickgaw | what is the cloud kernel for and what does it do different then the rt kernel? |
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| 04:58.38 | joepublic | rt=realtime; cloud kernel assumes it's running on a vm maybe? |
| 04:59.44 | nickgaw | What about the normal RT kernel if it is for audio production I might need it or is it mainly for recording directly on a linux system? |
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| 05:00.16 | Emilio_ | hi |
| 05:00.34 | BazookaTooth | those are easy to google. tldr; real time uses different polling for latency reduction. you don't need it |
| 05:00.50 | joepublic | apt show says cloud kernels are "for use on Amazon EC2, Google Compute Engine and Microsoft Azure cloud platforms." |
| 05:00.50 | apt | okay, joepublic |
| 05:01.00 | nickgaw | ok I will remove both and just keep the normal kernel. |
| 05:01.07 | BazookaTooth | :) |
| 05:04.12 | nickgaw | ok now just one kernel image like before but by default what is the openssl in the defconfig make target doing as if I am not a developer the kernel won't be signed correct? |
| 05:06.07 | joepublic | you won't be building a dd-signed kernel, no |
| 05:06.57 | nickgaw | ok so defconfig probably set options I don't need right and if so what should I remove in menuconfig? |
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| 05:10.38 | nickgaw | and no kernel-package package in testing yet the handbooks still talk about it why is this? |
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| 05:11.29 | joepublic | because you can just make deb-pkg from the kernel.org sources and it makes deb files for you |
| 05:11.48 | joepublic | I forget what to change in the .config to remove to debian developer key references |
| 05:12.12 | joepublic | but if you just copied your .config from your running kernel, I do recall there's something to change, just don't recall what |
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| 05:12.36 | nickgaw | ok so far it is running with no problems. |
| 05:12.42 | BazookaTooth | redhat is probably the only linux project that makes sure to stay on top of documentation. just something to be aware of |
| 05:12.59 | joepublic | BazookaTooth, the arch documentation is pretty good |
| 05:13.08 | pandakekok9 | ^ |
| 05:13.18 | nickgaw | ok it blew up with loads of dpkg-buildpackage errors. |
| 05:13.26 | BazookaTooth | i am an arch user and i fnd things wrong on wiki every week |
| 05:16.24 | BazookaTooth | was just a comment. there is a difference between a linux project with lots of funding and another with volunteers and such |
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| 05:19.17 | BazookaTooth | neither one of you seems to be in #archlinux so i will have a chuckle and carry on |
| 05:20.09 | nickgaw | ok so why is this issue about the certificates not documented in the kernel building information on either debian's web site or anywhere in the readme files? |
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| 05:27.01 | nickgaw | Is there a better place then this channel to ask about kernel development on debian? |
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| 05:30.11 | nkuttler | nickgaw: do you want to learn about kernel development, or how debian maintains kernels? |
| 05:30.46 | nkuttler | !kp |
| 05:30.47 | dpkg | [kernel-package] Obsolete. Use <kernel handbook> instead. Used to be The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 05:31.33 | nickgaw | I wish to build the latest kernel for testing out accessibility issues as I am totally blind and use speakup the kernel screen reader but when no documentation exists on how to remove the certificate information it makes it hard to compile and test out things. |
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| 05:35.07 | nkuttler | nickgaw: there is a #debian-kernel irc channel on the oftc irc network, and there is the debian-kernel mailing list. on oftc you will also find #debian-a11y for accessibility topics, and there is a debian-accessibility mailing list |
| 05:35.54 | nickgaw | I am on the debian-accessibility lists would posting the kernel development question there help? |
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| 05:47.32 | joepublic | i would think that the #debian-kernel irc channel on the oftc network would be a better place to ask. it's probably a faq |
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| 10:05.42 | Ede|Popede | are there no short handy names for locales? |
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| 10:09.14 | nyov | Ede|Popede: en or gb are not short enough already? or de_CH? |
| 10:09.40 | Ede|Popede | nyov: i tried de with no effect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 10:09.57 | nyov | for what? where? |
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| 10:11.16 | Ede|Popede | germany. i know i added de_DE.utf8 (setup was untranslated, and i actually want the base system to stay original) but i don't think there's need to do all the building process for de as well |
| 10:11.53 | Ede|Popede | nyov: as in `LANG=de date` (also LC_ALL with no success) |
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| 10:12.42 | nyov | well, locales are usually region specific. so it's de_DE or de_AT or de_CH and so on. but I think you could alias that somehow to a shorthand |
| 10:13.09 | Ede|Popede | at least it doesn't care about case and - or no - in the UTF-8. |
| 10:13.39 | Ede|Popede | ah, is this a simple symlink or is there a debian method? |
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| 10:14.54 | vanessalee | Guys, good morning. |
| 10:15.27 | vanessalee | If I started a server on discord could I name it something-something Debian? |
| 10:16.19 | Ede|Popede | /etc/locale.alias seems to be a historic relict, while /etc/locale.def only assigns the charset |
| 10:16.47 | nyov | Ede|Popede: echo "de de_DE.UTF-8" >> /etc/locale.alias |
| 10:16.58 | nyov | Ede|Popede: why a historic relict? |
| 10:17.19 | Ede|Popede | # Note: This file is obsolete and is kept around for the time being for |
| 10:17.19 | Ede|Popede | # backward compatibility. Nobody should rely on the names defined here. |
| 10:17.20 | Ede|Popede | # Locales should always be specified by their full name. |
| 10:17.24 | Ede|Popede | GNARF |
| 10:17.37 | Ede|Popede | didn't even see the last line before |
| 10:17.39 | Ede|Popede | that's insane |
| 10:18.06 | Ede|Popede | i really don't need 50 shades of german |
| 10:18.35 | nyov | hm |
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| 10:18.59 | nyov | well that's interesting |
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| 10:19.21 | vanessalee | Ede|Popede: could you please repost your initial question? its because im interested now to see what youre tryin to do. |
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| 10:20.02 | Ede|Popede | vanessalee: getting gcal working properly in an else un_US (read: unchanged) environment |
| 10:20.17 | vanessalee | thank you. |
| 10:20.19 | Ede|Popede | and for calendars that's not only translating some strings |
| 10:21.21 | Ede|Popede | no idea why GNU decided to only have --iso-week-number=yes to change the default behaviour and even more why they chose an insane default value |
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| 10:22.54 | Ede|Popede | basically nothing is correct with the default settings: we have week 1, it starts on sunday (so half of the weekend is at the beginning of the week) and dates use mid-endian |
| 10:23.39 | nyov | Ede|Popede: https://termbin.com/dzst |
| 10:24.00 | nyov | this would be my hack for the problem |
| 10:25.28 | nyov | though it probably has some pipe redirect issues. hmm |
| 10:25.37 | Ede|Popede | nyov: the interesting thing is, just adding that line to locale.alias just works, so the file seems to be checked every time |
| 10:26.06 | Ede|Popede | i think they want to get away from that system and keeping it in the env around somehow |
| 10:26.48 | nyov | I don't follow. you mean my earlier echo statement worked? |
| 10:27.12 | nyov | that'd be handy. I didn't try |
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| 10:27.51 | Ede|Popede | nyov: it is a bit... tricky. atm that's only a temporary install - stretch was just meant until buster would be released, but as things work out... hell knows where the last year disappeared. at least i have a minimal version of it on the other machine. at least² i can break a bit on this one if it doesn't affect daily work. |
| 10:29.19 | Ede|Popede | but i'm not satisfied anyway with the setup procedure regarding that aspect. i've seen too many half translated help screens and manpages (or they were simüply buggy). so i want to keep the system (and the root account) in C. localized user account is fine. |
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| 10:31.16 | Ede|Popede | and after using live vor some time on the other PC i know what i definitely want: correct keyboard. language as mentioned should stay C for root (though i don't care about install time). and yes, timezone. adding grub parameters on the live during boot is fine. on the installed system it should be handled by the system. |
| 10:32.00 | Ede|Popede | nyov: yes, worked. instantly. unlike adding users to groups (which means, logout to make it work) |
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| 10:33.44 | Ede|Popede | atm i just was wondering why LANG=de didn't have any effect. may be i had the alias set up on wheezy (yes, i missed jessie. shame on me.) went with it until the seventh seal was broken. really nice LTS. |
| 10:35.38 | Ede|Popede | the thing was during setup the moment you tell the installer where you are the option for a C base system is gone :/ |
| 10:35.57 | nyov | interesting. I thought since `validlocale de` didn't work that it was indeed an obsolete file. |
| 10:36.09 | nyov | Ede|Popede: I don't think so |
| 10:36.23 | Ede|Popede | i think that i tried to get around the issue here by not localizing at all (LC_* are all en_US) |
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| 10:37.07 | nyov | I think I recently installed a C locale system. and how can it remove C when in a region? then it couldn't appear at all? |
| 10:38.47 | nyov | but I don't know the installer that well. maybe expert mode is different, or it changed. more often I just debootstrap anyway |
| 10:39.07 | Ede|Popede | my dream solution i think would be english as language for root, but usable locale settings, that means keyboard and date stuff and the like. and full localization for the user. couldn't find out how to do all of this in the installer without fiddling around on the running system later. |
| 10:40.03 | Ede|Popede | i should have screenshots of the whole process for both of them, may be i even restarted with different choices. |
| 10:40.34 | Ede|Popede | nice thing that PrnScr simply works in the installer |
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| 10:44.13 | nyov | your "dream solution" is pretty standard and quite possible :p Probably a bit complex for the installer, but why should d-i do all that work anyway. |
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| 10:45.05 | nyov | Ede|Popede: you could even mod your locale, just check yours - /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_DE ? Then define a custom one with your preferences |
| 10:46.12 | nyov | if you need a klingonian calendar or whatever |
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| 10:48.27 | Ede|Popede | heh, maybe i could assemble my own and simply name it 'de'. any idea if it would work putting it into /usr/local? |
| 10:50.06 | Ede|Popede | i think i created no user account in the past, only root and all en_US. then on the system even the initial user was created manually. may be a bit tricky with a sudo based selection nowadays xD |
| 10:50.35 | Ede|Popede | klingonian calendar? they only have one single day every week and every year |
| 10:50.46 | Ede|Popede | the one which is good to die! |
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| 10:51.54 | Ede|Popede | i tried already to do a bit in that direction btw. keyboard layouts. but ouch. i always got stuck at some point while going through the files. |
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| 10:53.27 | Peyam | hi, does anyone know how I can get the distro name and its version in Conky? |
| 10:53.28 | Ede|Popede | used T2 (partially as it seems) for some time, now T3 seems to have arrived. only i have IBus running with the panel applet and sometimes AltGr+. becomes ` instead of · |
| 10:54.16 | ratrace | Peyam: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/440812/how-to-display-lsb-release-info-in-conky |
| 10:54.22 | Ede|Popede | so i have to switch to another setting and back again. and without IBus i'm still on some other layout. and then there's terminals of course. where i prefer to have the same layout. everything else is irritating. |
| 10:54.48 | Peyam | ratrace, thanks |
| 10:56.02 | nyov | Ede|Popede: just export your LC_$stuff in your users ~/.profile ...fixed? |
| 10:56.09 | ratrace | Thank you for using ratrace googlemaid services. That'll be $2.99 |
| 10:57.25 | Ede|Popede | nyov: i think that's what i'll do once buster will finally arrive on this machine. |
| 10:59.50 | Ede|Popede | implementing inxi into conky in the form of a C module (as they suggest for performance reasons which i only don't understand on desktops which usually include running web browsers) would be a great task |
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| 11:07.45 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 11:10.04 | nyov | I don't understand why people want to splatter their viewscreen real-estate with something like conky. do you need to check what distribution you run daily, or your inxi system info? |
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| 11:11.13 | nyov | unless you use it for top-like info and network usage or the like |
| 11:12.01 | Ede|Popede | that's what i had vor some time. panel on the left and trying hard to find a compromise between waste and readability (calendar with week numbers) |
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| 11:13.41 | Ede|Popede | only some things don't really fit well into vertical panels. i have 2 rows of buttons and had 3 for the clock. |
| 11:14.51 | Ede|Popede | the menu button only works fullsize and the window list can have either a small arrow (full-height) or the icon of the active window (half-size), wich both isn't really nice. |
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| 11:17.35 | Ede|Popede | i even could imagine having some process indicator mid-screen for something running over longer periods of time. hiding all windows is just a keypress away and such things don't have to be visible all the time. |
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| 11:47.03 | Lope | ratrace, has debian buster still got the bug where if you install zfsutils-linux before installing spk-dkms that the whole install gets totally hosed and you have to erase and do a fresh install? |
| 11:47.09 | Lope | I forgot to install spk-dkms |
| 11:47.13 | Lope | spl* |
| 11:47.50 | Lope | I tried to purge zfs* but it seems to still be fucked up. installing zfsutils-linux just stuck on 59% |
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| 11:54.26 | Lope | oh, it seems to have completed without error now. odd |
| 11:55.23 | Lope | before I experienced an install being unworkable after that mistake. |
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| 12:03.36 | Peyam | I have a big problem with my computer. If I leave my computer for 15 mins it goes to suspend and when I try to wake it up I only see a blank screen so I manually need to restart light.dm |
| 12:03.45 | Peyam | and all my windows get closed |
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| 12:08.12 | Miles8of9 | it's a problem with acpi.... check logs for errors and/or disable that 15 min suspend |
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| 12:08.56 | Miles8of9 | the suspend thing is good for laptops etc... not for desktops |
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| 12:13.49 | Peyam | It is a laptop connected to external screen |
| 12:15.36 | Peyam | where are the logs. |
| 12:15.43 | Peyam | there isnt any /var/log/acpid |
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| 12:18.11 | Peyam | here is the log of lightdm |
| 12:18.12 | Peyam | https://pastebin.com/7Z2kV7iQ |
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| 12:24.19 | nevivurn | I'm running my traffic over openvpn. It feels like I'm getting better speeds when I run `mtr $VPN_HOST`, for some reason. Am I losing my mind? |
| 12:26.03 | nevivurn | Specifically, I'm using sshfs to access $ANOTHER_HOST (traffic goes throughh VPN). When I'm not running mtr, speeds are around ~300KiB, with mtr they shoot up to ~800KiB... or at least I think it does this. Assuming this is indeed happenning, are there any sane explanations for what I'm seeing? |
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| 12:29.39 | Guifle | hello, after upgrading to buster my machine hangs at boot, at the line 'started Gnome Display Manager'...I found some solutions for the same problem, but mostly for ubuntu, so I wanted to ask you here what to do before doing anything wrong |
| 12:30.06 | Guifle | uncommenting 'WaylandEnable=False' didnt help |
| 12:30.15 | Anarki | Hi there what does this error mean: rtorrent: Error in option file: ~/.rtorrent.rc:1: Could not find '=' in command 'nano'. |
| 12:30.19 | Anarki | how can I fix it? |
| 12:30.58 | nevivurn | Anarki: you probably have a syntax error in the config file. Check line 1? |
| 12:31.20 | joepublic | Guifle, there is frequently some overlap between ubuntu and debian solutions. |
| 12:31.43 | Guifle | is it a good idea to purge the latest kernel and revert to the existing old one? |
| 12:31.52 | joepublic | Today in this channel someone legit asked "Am I losing my mind?" -- answer, dunno. |
| 12:31.56 | Guifle | with uninstall-reinstall gdm3 |
| 12:32.19 | joepublic | guifle, uninstalling gdm3 is not going to uninstall a kernel |
| 12:32.25 | Guifle | no I dont mean that |
| 12:32.40 | Guifle | doing all of them, first purge the kernel, than reinstall gdm3 |
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| 12:33.04 | Anarki | nevivurn thanks a lot, my mouse pastes everything 2-3 times :( |
| 12:33.07 | joepublic | those do not sound like unreasonable measures. |
| 12:34.28 | nevivurn | Anarki: np! usually the error message has all the info you need, don't be afraid to read the message and investigate next time. |
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| 12:35.36 | Anarki | Thanks Im not used to linux a lot and I thought first line was displaying the file name not the content! |
| 12:36.13 | joepublic | that ".rtorrent.rc:1" probably means "so and so file, line 1" |
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| 12:37.12 | Guifle | but why did this happen? is the machine too old for the display manager? |
| 12:37.59 | joepublic | what cpu/gpu/ram if I may ask |
| 12:38.30 | Guifle | i5 third generation or something |
| 12:38.49 | Guifle | integrated gpu, 8gb |
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| 12:39.32 | Guifle | now rebooting, therefore cant check it via terminal |
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| 12:40.04 | joepublic | you recently upgraded the kernel? I ask because i have seen reports of intel integrated GPUs not working after upgrade to a new kernel |
| 12:40.13 | tomreyn | you can still review xorg*.log after reboot |
| 12:40.33 | Guifle | joepublic, this happened after upgrading to buster |
| 12:40.37 | tomreyn | or systemd's journal, if you have it persist. |
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| 12:41.01 | joepublic | ok, so that's not the problem, sorry. buster kernel intel video no known problem. |
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| 12:41.42 | joepublic | for that matter you could install lightdm and try that; pick whether you are using lightdm or gdm by using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" |
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| 12:43.59 | Guifle | yes, I saw that solution online, but when I am in the root shell in the recovery mode I cant install. I have no internet even with ethernet cable |
| 12:44.16 | Guifle | and I cant get to tty |
| 12:44.56 | joepublic | recovery mode? why? |
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| 12:45.39 | Guifle | because it is the only place I've found available as something of a terminal |
| 12:45.45 | joepublic | at the display manager hang you should be able to control-alt-f1 (or f2 f3 etc.) and switch to a terminal |
| 12:45.49 | Guifle | ah |
| 12:45.50 | Guifle | ok |
| 12:45.52 | Guifle | I will try |
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| 12:46.31 | joepublic | note the important keyword "should" but definitely worth a try |
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| 12:47.57 | Guifle | yeah tty shows up |
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| 12:48.50 | joepublic | you are in business then :) |
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| 12:50.23 | pandakekok9 | Try using a cli irc client (like irssi and weechat) in another tty, it looks cool :) |
| 12:53.11 | Guifle | jeopublic, there is another problem, I need to change the keyboard layout before I get to tty. is grub the only place to do that? |
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| 12:53.41 | Guifle | or else is there no way to get internet in the root shell? |
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| 12:53.56 | joepublic | grub isn't the only place, but I don't remember how to change it from a terminal |
| 12:54.22 | joepublic | I have a US keyboard and use US-international layouts for most languages |
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| 13:04.35 | tomreyn | Guifle: try, on the tty, "loadkeys XX", where XX is the two character language abbreviation / code for the layout you need. |
| 13:05.42 | tomreyn | for a persistent configuration, i think it's dpkff-reconfigure keyboard-config |
| 13:06.05 | tomreyn | or keyboard-configuration rather |
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| 13:06.56 | Guifle | tomreyn, I tried accessing internet from recovery root shell, and that worked, and I can install packages. should I install xdm or lightdm? |
| 13:07.11 | tomreyn | Guifle: about networking: the recovery shell has an option to enable networking, i think |
| 13:07.49 | tomreyn | oh you found it. i can't recommend which login manager to use because i don't know your preferences or needs. |
| 13:08.22 | tomreyn | normally i'd say gdm3. you say it does not work. my approach would then be to understand why that is, not to change the display manager. |
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| 13:09.54 | Guifle | tomreyn, yeah, the post titled 'step by step with ip' enabled internet; https://serverfault.com/questions/21475/starting-network-connection-from-ubuntu-recovery |
| 13:10.44 | grewtin | sudo ifconfig eth0 up ; sudo dhcpd eth0 up |
| 13:10.46 | Guifle | hmm well is it bad to do that? |
| 13:10.56 | grewtin | in case you looking for ethernet |
| 13:10.58 | Guifle | to change the display manager, I mean |
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| 13:11.06 | grewtin | `ip address`~ |
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| 13:11.08 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 13:11.12 | Guifle | grewtin, thank you, this is way shorter, I will note it |
| 13:11.40 | cousin_luigi | Can I upgrade directly to buster from oldoldstable or should I pass through oldstable? |
| 13:12.00 | dvs | cousin_luigi, pass throught oldstable |
| 13:12.10 | cousin_luigi | As I suspected. |
| 13:12.24 | cousin_luigi | Is there some script to convert iptables rules to nftables? |
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| 13:12.32 | tomreyn | Guifle: no it's not bad to change the display manager, i'm just saying i'd use a different approach for solving problems - trying to understand and fix or workaround the root cause. however, the "try variations" approahc can also help, and can easily lead to a useful workaround. |
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| 13:13.23 | ratrace | Lope: it never had such bug. You just have to (re)install spl-dkms first, then apt install -f to fix held installation of zfs-dkms |
| 13:13.42 | grewtin | Guifle: yes |
| 13:13.54 | ratrace | and for that latter part (install spl first) I don't know if it's fixed, haven't installed debian in the past few months |
| 13:14.15 | Lope | ratrace, ah, ok. |
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| 14:10.37 | Guifle | tomreyn, sure, I understand. while I am curious to know more about why this happened (as I posed it as a question above), now I just chose a workaround. yet it didn't "work". where the monitor hanged before now it goes black |
| 14:10.47 | Guifle | I will reboot and be back in a min |
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| 14:13.39 | HEX0 | does debian split systemd into multiple packages somehow? |
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| 14:17.24 | vanessalee | i think most distros do. but it depends on what exactly you mean. |
| 14:17.28 | vanessalee | HEX0: |
| 14:19.06 | HEX0 | haven't used debian for a long time. I remember it was known for splitting packages more so than other distros. so was just curious if it splits up certain things or if that is even possible. like say resolved networkd etc being their own packages |
| 14:20.30 | denken | HEX0: not sure. probably easiest to just apt-cache search and check it out that way. packages.debian.org would be a more manual way to do the same thing. you'd be able to see there what the source tarball is and how many resulting debian packages are made from it. |
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| 14:25.21 | HEX0 | thanks. yeah I untarred the .deb and it seems like most of the stuff is there. I guess that answered the question :) |
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| 14:27.44 | Anarki | I typed dd accidently and now cant go back to command line... |
| 14:27.58 | Anarki | how can I end this dd? |
| 14:28.12 | crvi | Anarki, Ctrl + C |
| 14:29.11 | Anarki | I think I pressed all the keys except C that worked thanks... is there a file created? If yes where? or Copied? How can I delete it? as it was not on purpose |
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| 14:32.00 | crvi | don't think so . no file is created with just dd command with no arguments. so you can safely ignore it |
| 14:32.04 | Anarki | "sudo apt-get install apache2 apache2-utils libapache2-mod-php5" how can I see if these are already installed? and I would prefer mod-php7 |
| 14:32.53 | crvi | Anarki, dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
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| 14:33.02 | ximpr | "apt policy packagename" shows if it is installed |
| 14:33.03 | Anarki | thanks |
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| 14:36.02 | crvi | $ apt-cache search apache2 | grep php |
| 14:36.17 | crvi | what php mod version does the command show .. |
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| 15:23.19 | Guifle | hello, back again...cant solve this. when I install xdm or lightdm the screen goes black (with backlight) right after the line 'light display manager' appears. |
| 15:23.47 | Guifle | and the boot hangs. when I have gdm3, the boot hangs, too |
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| 16:13.51 | ratrace | Guifle: what if you add "nomodeset" (without quotes) to the kernel command line in grub, you know how to do that? |
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| 16:15.30 | Guifle | ratrace, I havent done it before, can I do it just by selecting 'e' in grub and typing it in there? |
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| 16:16.12 | ratrace | Guifle: yes, hit 'e' then arrow down to the kernel line (one starting with 'linux'), then at the end just add 'nomodeset', hit F10 to continue booting |
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| 16:17.06 | ratrace | Guifle: also remove 'quiet' if it's there, so you have more systemd output for debugging |
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| 16:21.41 | Guifle | ratrace, for the first time I got a window 'oh no! something gone wrong. a problem has occured and the system cant recover. please log out and try again.' followed by logout button |
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| 16:22.07 | Guifle | a graphical window |
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| 16:23.16 | Guifle | and I logged out, now at "Gnome Display Manager" it hangs again, with repeated lines ending with 'failed to disable graphics turbo' |
| 16:24.07 | Guifle | I thought this was a minor thing to solve at start. but I installed xdm,lightdm, slim and I reinstalled gdm3..nothing changed it |
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| 16:25.33 | ratrace | Guifle: which gpu you have there? |
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| 16:26.30 | vinicius | hello |
| 16:27.32 | diogenes_ | Guifle, try alongside with nomodeset add: acpi=off |
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| 16:30.07 | Guifle | ratrace, an integrated one, but dont remember the exact name |
| 16:30.19 | root2 | i |
| 16:30.24 | root2 | hi |
| 16:30.27 | Guifle | diogenes_, so insert it in the linux line, right? |
| 16:30.45 | diogenes_ | Guifle, yes |
| 16:30.45 | ratrace | Guifle: yes, just like nomodeset |
| 16:30.55 | root2 | can anybody tell me how to change username |
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| 16:31.15 | Guifle | btw, nomodeset disappears after reboot, I am sure there is a way to make it permanent, in some grub.conf file or similar? |
| 16:31.39 | root2 | msa |
| 16:31.49 | diogenes_ | Guifle, that's normal. |
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| 16:33.04 | ratrace | Guifle: yes, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub to make it into the grub configs |
| 16:33.18 | Aebian | does anyone know the location of the kde cnfig file for the global menu by any chance? |
| 16:33.27 | Aebian | google wasn't helpful sadly |
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| 16:37.23 | Guifle | I added nomodeset and acpi=off, and after 'gnome display manager' line (with 'failed graphics turbo' message and more..) first came a blue buster background, then a black screen and then the 'oh no!..' message again |
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| 16:37.47 | Guifle | gosh. this turns to wrestling |
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| 16:38.21 | mtn | Guifle: that is a video card or driver problem |
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| 16:38.39 | diogenes_ | Guifle, try a Debian iso with non-free firmware. |
| 16:38.52 | Guifle | diogenes, do you mean reinstalling? |
| 16:38.54 | ratrace | why, no. just install firmware, no need to reinstall whole debian |
| 16:39.08 | diogenes_ | ^^^ |
| 16:39.17 | Guifle | a clean install would be a disaster. I have a continent built on the syste, |
| 16:39.18 | Guifle | system |
| 16:39.21 | ratrace | but... which firmware. Guifle: would be nice to pastebin the output of dmidecode |
| 16:40.02 | mtn | Guifle: was this working before? |
| 16:40.25 | Guifle | mtn, before upgrading from stretch to buster, yes it used to work |
| 16:40.44 | mtn | Guifle: did you ever mention what your video card and driver is? |
| 16:41.07 | Guifle | I will check it but waitin for booting into root shell |
| 16:41.21 | ratrace | Guifle: `lspci` and `dmidecode` -- can you pastebin those? |
| 16:41.25 | Guifle | aure |
| 16:41.27 | Guifle | sure* |
| 16:41.29 | Guifle | :) |
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| 16:45.12 | diogenes_ | Guifle, btw if this occurs after the upgrade then it would also make sense to create a new test user and login as the new user. |
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| 16:46.56 | Guifle | diogenes, sure, I will try that |
| 16:49.35 | diogenes_ | Guifle, but this time without nomodeset and acpi=off. |
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| 16:59.02 | Guifle | ratrace, everyone, sorry, it took a while, this is the lspci output: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1125718 |
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| 16:59.59 | Guifle | and the dmidecode one; https://paste.debian.net/plain/1125719 |
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| 17:02.56 | ratrace | Guifle: that's old. Could be the newer kernel will have issues with integrated Intel GPU that old... |
| 17:04.21 | ratrace | Guifle: but just in case it's a ~/ config issue, try what diogenes_ suggest, with a clean new unprivileged user (and thus clean ~/ ). |
| 17:04.43 | ratrace | While that might be a likely solution for gdm3, I find it unlikely to affect all the DMs you tried. |
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| 17:08.11 | Guifle | ratrace, but the problem didnt occur on a machine that is older than that |
| 17:09.17 | ratrace | Guifle: yes, newer kerenels (and drivers) sometimes cull old code |
| 17:09.27 | Guifle | I created the new user, but what am I going to do with it when I cant get to the login window? |
| 17:09.29 | ratrace | the problem is not so much age (10 yrs) but generations |
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| 17:09.44 | ratrace | oh I thought oyu _could_ get to the login window |
| 17:10.14 | diogenes_ | Guifle, login with VT and startx |
| 17:10.18 | Guifle | my problem is that the boot stops at "Gnome Display Manager" line |
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| 17:10.37 | diogenes_ | alt+ctrl+f2 |
| 17:10.45 | BazookaTooth | ctrl+ alt + f* |
| 17:11.27 | Guifle | diogenes_, the problem with tty is that I use a non-US keyboard and cant type some characters in my login details |
| 17:11.35 | BazookaTooth | haha |
| 17:11.55 | Guifle | I tried loadkeys and setxkbmap but they didnt work |
| 17:12.02 | BazookaTooth | had that problem with jis (japanese) keyboards once |
| 17:12.41 | Guifle | I tried to access via tty earlier today |
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| 17:16.30 | Guifle | it is bizarre that no alternative worked. the machine cant be that incompatible. |
| 17:16.51 | Guifle | I run any latest thing on it |
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| 17:25.21 | Diogo | hi |
| 17:28.00 | ratrace | Guifle: are you running 64-bit or 32-bit OS? |
| 17:29.06 | Guifle | ratrace 64bit |
| 17:29.18 | Guifle | does buster have 32 bit, too? |
| 17:29.21 | Guifle | or debian |
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| 17:33.15 | ratrace | Guifle: yup |
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| 17:35.15 | joepublic | just to clarify, there are characters in your username and/or password that you cannot type on a US keyboard? |
| 17:35.33 | Guifle | joepublic, yes |
| 17:36.50 | Guifle | oh wait |
| 17:36.58 | joepublic | didn't you have to give the root password to get to the recovery console? |
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| 17:37.29 | Guifle | joepublic, yes but that has not US-keys |
| 17:38.08 | joepublic | well, you can often look at a picture of a US keyboard and know where the us keys are |
| 17:38.10 | Guifle | diogenes_ the test user can login to tty, would that help? |
| 17:38.23 | Guifle | joepublic, it is not that simple |
| 17:38.41 | joepublic | no, I understand that it's complex, just trying to think around the problem |
| 17:38.48 | BazookaTooth | ^ it's not. i had to use an app from my phone to figure out the damn keycodes |
| 17:39.15 | Guifle | diogenes_ I logged in to the tty with the test user |
| 17:39.32 | Guifle | and typed startx |
| 17:39.53 | diogenes_ | and? |
| 17:40.19 | diogenes_ | Guifle, anything loaded? |
| 17:40.19 | Guifle | it gave some errors and now I cant type anything in the console. |
| 17:40.29 | Guifle | yes, x.org was loaded |
| 17:40.40 | Guifle | x.org x server 1.20.4 |
| 17:41.19 | Guifle | the command prompts show up side by side when I press enter, instead of continuing to the next line |
| 17:41.37 | Guifle | and cant type anything |
| 17:41.39 | diogenes_ | then you should try the DE start script, for instance in xfce it.s startxfce4 |
| 17:42.15 | Guifle | so re-login to tty, and type 'startxfce4' ? |
| 17:42.31 | joepublic | if you use xfce |
| 17:42.43 | diogenes_ | ^^^ |
| 17:42.50 | Guifle | no I use gnome |
| 17:42.53 | joepublic | which, let's face it, most people should be; it's awesome and also simple |
| 17:43.05 | Guifle | (and ugly) :)) |
| 17:43.32 | BazookaTooth | xfce is not ugly o_O. but whatev |
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| 17:44.10 | Guifle | not as ugly as kde, though |
| 17:44.13 | BazookaTooth | gnome/unity makes me want to throw monitors down flights of stairs |
| 17:44.33 | joepublic | yeah I am not tolerant of that nonsense |
| 17:44.36 | BazookaTooth | :) agree to disagree |
| 17:44.52 | BazookaTooth | we have plenty of choices so.. yay |
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| 17:46.07 | Guifle | ok, ranting aside :)..should I type gnome-session as the equivalent of startxfce4 ? |
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| 17:47.21 | Guifle | I did, and got 'Terminated' |
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| 17:50.03 | jhutchins | Guifle: Sounds like something's not configured properly, gdm should run at start and manage logins to gnome. |
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| 17:50.21 | jhutchins | Guifle: Have you found your Xorg.0.log? |
| 17:50.50 | Guifle | jhutchins, I am about to restart debian, will check it now |
| 17:50.56 | jhutchins | Guifle: That and /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages and even dmesg | less may have clues. |
| 17:51.05 | mtcdood | on Debian 10 I'm finding that when I edit a text file with vim, pressing / while in insert mode causes the line to indent. I've turned off auto indent in my person config, but it's still doing it. is anyone familiar with why vim does this? |
| 17:51.06 | Guifle | sure |
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| 17:51.39 | mtcdood | Debian 9 didn't indent like this and I didn't have to disable auto indent in my personal config |
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| 17:52.41 | mtcdood | it sounds like C indenting |
| 17:53.26 | jhutchins | mtcdood: mtcdood vim has several different indent mechanisms, including indent style by filetype. |
| 17:53.38 | chac | allez ta gueule sale con |
| 17:53.43 | mtcdood | yeah I'll keep looking into it |
| 17:53.46 | chac | fils de pute de rozbif |
| 17:53.47 | jhutchins | mtcdood: I haven't found all of the switches for the latest versions. |
| 17:53.51 | mtcdood | oh |
| 17:53.53 | mtcdood | well I'm an idiot |
| 17:53.57 | chac | faut parler français ici |
| 17:54.02 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 17:54.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
| 17:54.03 | chac | si t'es un vrai idiot |
| 17:54.05 | mtcdood | if I'm running vim as sudo that user has to have the option too |
| 17:54.07 | mtcdood | my bad |
| 17:54.11 | mtcdood | fixed |
| 17:54.28 | jhutchins | mtcdood: I've just been using set: paste |
| 17:54.34 | chac | ta gueule |
| 17:54.45 | chac | enculé de ta race de celtes |
| 17:54.52 | chac | fils de pute |
| 17:54.55 | petn-randall | chac: You need to speak english, or join the french channel above. ^^^ |
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| 17:55.08 | joepublic | petn-randall, he's just cursing at us and insulting us |
| 17:55.19 | chac | fuck you do you inderstand mother fucker? |
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| 17:55.39 | jhutchins | !ops we have a troll |
| 17:55.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jhutchins complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 17:56.06 | petn-randall | jhutchins: I've taken care of it. |
| 17:56.07 | joepublic | jeez, ding! ding! ding! -- they already know :) |
| 17:56.15 | jhutchins | petn-randall: Thx. |
| 17:56.21 | petn-randall | no prob |
| 17:57.05 | jhutchins | joepublic: I hide joins/parts. There are often few ops paying attention on weekends. |
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| 17:58.13 | joepublic | I hide them too. with so many in the channel sometimes there more joins parts than signal |
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| 18:01.02 | petn-randall | I can recommend using recentdepart.pl in irssi. It'll show you only part/quit message from users who recently were active in the channel. |
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| 18:04.26 | Guifle | jhutchins, I have now all the logs in terminal, and I spotted the lines mentioning Gnome Display Manager. what should I extract / look for there? |
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| 18:05.32 | jamesc | i have installed dkms in 10.2 but there is no dkms command |
| 18:05.50 | towo` | proof it |
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| 18:07.34 | joepublic | jamesc, what is the module you need dkms for? |
| 18:08.45 | jamesc | @joepublic https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au |
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| 18:09.00 | jhutchins | Well, this is annoying: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vim9-Improved-Vim-Fork |
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| 18:09.45 | jhutchins | Vim does NOT need more features, bells, and whistles. That's what emacs is for. Vim should just be a simple, basic editor that does what you tell it to and doesn't try to do things for you. |
| 18:09.59 | Guifle | I have all the logs. what to do with them? |
| 18:10.16 | joepublic | jamesc, dkms is in sbin so only in your path if you are root. make sure you use sudo or su - (not just su) |
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| 18:10.40 | jhutchins | Guifle: Look for errors. Look for "firmware" in dmesg, see if there's something that's not loading. Look for lines beginning with EE in the Xorg log. |
| 18:10.40 | joepublic | at least it's just a shiny fork |
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| 18:11.50 | jhutchins | Guifle: Try to get a feel for what's happening toward the end of the boot process (all the entries labled kernel). |
| 18:12.17 | jamesc | oh man i installed it but i needed to restart my terminal to find the command in sbin I sware I have not had to do this with other packages |
| 18:12.31 | jamesc | @joepublic thanks! |
| 18:12.36 | joepublic | np peace |
| 18:13.03 | Guifle | jhutchins, searching for 'firmware' in dmesg gives only iwlwifi. searching for EE in xorg log returns this; https://paste.debian.net/plain/1125727 |
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| 18:13.53 | joepublic | "I can't find a video card" |
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| 18:15.41 | Guifle | but there is one |
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| 18:16.18 | Guifle | sorry was cut off, if you responded recently |
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| 18:16.52 | Guifle | but what was there before the upgrade is sure there after that, too |
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| 18:22.33 | Guifle | jhutchins, and this is the syslog, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1125729 |
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| 18:23.50 | Guifle | or rather, the lines relating to "kernel" |
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| 18:28.03 | cousin_luigi | Will I still have iptables support after updating from jessie to breeze? |
| 18:28.13 | cousin_luigi | I just need to know before rebooting:) |
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| 18:35.12 | joepublic | breeze? |
| 18:36.06 | jelly | cousin_luigi, "stretch" is debian 9 and comes after "jessie" that is debian 8 |
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| 18:36.39 | cousin_luigi | jelly: That shows my confusion! |
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| 18:36.47 | cousin_luigi | I haven't touched by shoebox servers in a while. |
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| 18:37.27 | jelly | and iptables still exists in debian 9 and also 10 |
| 18:37.38 | cousin_luigi | great |
| 18:38.03 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 18:38.04 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 18:38.14 | joepublic | be sure to upgrade one release at the time, reading the release notes for each |
| 18:40.04 | cousin_luigi | well, that first step is done, |
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| 18:40.10 | cousin_luigi | now stretch-> buster |
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| 18:41.17 | dD_ | i'm connected to my network through ethernet and dhcp, i installed docker and the internet connection stopped working after a reboot. The ethernet leds won't light up, and there is nothing I can do to make sure the interface runs. What could be the problem? |
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| 18:46.53 | Vilman | dD_, what do you get by running "ip link"? |
| 18:47.16 | Vilman | Guys, someone knows why mongodb is part of the multi-user.target? |
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| 18:47.36 | dD_ | i don't have access to the server so I can tell you that the state of the interface is shown as down, but the interface is there |
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| 18:48.03 | dD_ | (online access I mean) |
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| 18:50.04 | jelly | Vilman, because every package that debian maintainer thinks has a sane default configuration, is enabled automatically |
| 18:50.30 | jelly | every package providing a service* ... has the service* enabled automatically |
| 18:50.44 | jogank | hello |
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| 18:56.50 | Vilman | dD_, interesting... The lack of leds in the NIC usually mean that there is no link, so it is not a problem with the routing. My guess is that the server is not booting, or there has been a cut in the network |
| 18:57.56 | Vilman | jelly, what I meant is what's the point of having mongodb running? is it needed for gnome maybe? |
| 18:58.11 | joepublic | saves people from having to install something, finding it not working, and having to come ask how the heck do you enable the darn thing |
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| 18:58.28 | Vilman | Luckily, is not listening to anything else than 127.0.0.1, but still |
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| 18:59.07 | Vilman | makes sense joepublic, but that reasoning might lead to having everything installed by default lol |
| 18:59.22 | joepublic | you have to install it first |
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| 19:00.05 | dD_ | Vilman, if I try to do an ifup there will be a dhcpreocver process but it won't work and no lights will turn on |
| 19:00.54 | Vilman | mongodb? that's the thing, I do not recall ever installing it, and is 'wanted.by' the multi-user systemd target |
| 19:01.52 | joepublic | mongodb is not installed by default. |
| 19:03.03 | ratrace | Vilman: wanted by multi-user systemd target means only that it's installed to run as part of the multi-user target, which is analogous to the old run level 3 |
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| 19:03.15 | ratrace | whoever, and whatever, installed it. |
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| 19:03.58 | Vilman | got you |
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| 19:06.16 | Guifle | i tried the proposed solution here; https://askubuntu.com/questions/998628/dev-dri-card0-no-such-file-or-directory |
| 19:06.18 | Guifle | to no avail |
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| 19:07.32 | boktan | hi all i have debian installed on virtualbox i cannot forward port because of im using mobile data but i want to host my localhost with a free domain taken from freenom.com how can i do that? |
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| 19:08.19 | petn-randall | boktan: If you can't forward ports to the VM, you can't host any services there. |
| 19:08.37 | sponix | boktan: without a static IP, and a 24/7 stable connection that you can port forward into the VM with -- you can't |
| 19:09.00 | petn-randall | boktan: You'll have to ask your telco for a contract that provides you with a real IP address which you can use for port forwarding. |
| 19:09.03 | joepublic | depends on what, I guess, if you can initiate connections to an intermediate server or vpn from the machine behind the mobile data nat |
| 19:09.04 | boktan | but i can do it with tunneling |
| 19:09.07 | sponix | boktan: not the the outside world anyway |
| 19:09.12 | boktan | please help me on that |
| 19:09.42 | joepublic | that's kind of a "read up on it" topic, probably way too many steps for an irc hand-holding |
| 19:09.45 | sponix | lol, well that is a more complicated setup that I'm willing to approach |
| 19:10.04 | boktan | i did some small settings that i can connect to my domain only on localhost but not on public now i just need to make it public |
| 19:10.24 | petn-randall | boktan: Then all questions you have are not related to Debian at all. |
| 19:10.33 | boktan | why than that? |
| 19:10.42 | boktan | im using debian on virtualbox |
| 19:10.48 | towo` | and? |
| 19:10.49 | boktan | and i need to do somethings on debian |
| 19:10.52 | petn-randall | I thought that part work? |
| 19:10.56 | petn-randall | works* |
| 19:10.59 | joepublic | see, that's a whole different question boktan |
| 19:11.01 | boktan | which part |
| 19:11.11 | joepublic | the how can i make virtualbox talk to the outside world |
| 19:11.12 | towo` | if debian is running well, all is done |
| 19:11.26 | petn-randall | You can connect to your localhost web service. |
| 19:11.34 | boktan | i can connect to my localhost |
| 19:11.35 | joepublic | there is a #virtualbox channel for expert help on that |
| 19:11.38 | boktan | and to my domain too |
| 19:11.39 | sponix | boktan: the using mobile data to host services to the outside world -- You should have that pulled up in Google it seems :) |
| 19:11.45 | boktan | but only i can open my domain |
| 19:11.45 | boktan | :D |
| 19:12.01 | joepublic | and a #networking channel for help with tunneling |
| 19:12.18 | joepublic | sounds like you have the "I installed debian and it works" part completed. |
| 19:12.23 | sponix | joepublic: and maybe a counseling channel for mental health :) |
| 19:12.27 | boktan | on that channel is noone :D |
| 19:12.34 | boktan | networking i mean |
| 19:12.37 | boktan | zerı users |
| 19:12.44 | boktan | zero |
| 19:12.44 | joepublic | there |
| 19:12.45 | boktan | * |
| 19:12.53 | petn-randall | boktan: What is running outside the virtualbox? |
| 19:12.57 | joepublic | there's over 1100 people in there, sorry should have said ##networking |
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| 19:13.12 | joepublic | sponix, if you know of such a channel, what's it called? :) |
| 19:13.16 | boktan | i did not understand your question petn-randall |
| 19:13.29 | joepublic | what operating system is hosting the debian virtual machine |
| 19:13.38 | boktan | kali linux |
| 19:13.48 | boktan | i have virtualbox on kali linux |
| 19:13.56 | sponix | hands boktan the shovel .. so he can just keep digging deeper |
| 19:13.56 | petn-randall | Ah, then even less related to #debian. |
| 19:14.00 | petn-randall | !kali |
| 19:14.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 19:14.04 | joepublic | [random expletive] - figures. |
| 19:14.08 | boktan | why kali room |
| 19:14.11 | boktan | please tell me |
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| 19:14.17 | boktan | do i need to set up somethings on kali? |
| 19:14.21 | towo` | because you have no debian problem |
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| 19:14.27 | petn-randall | boktan: Yes. |
| 19:14.30 | boktan | but site will be hosted on debian |
| 19:14.40 | petn-randall | boktan: You already said that part works. |
| 19:14.40 | sponix | lol |
| 19:14.45 | joepublic | "site will totally be on debian!!" -- what has that to do with anything? |
| 19:14.58 | bigterd | with 2 network interfaces, can i build the wifi network with one set of adapters, then use the 2nd set for clients for tcp/ip? |
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| 19:15.06 | bigterd | or is there a limit in the networking stack somewhere? |
| 19:15.27 | boktan | @joe |
| 19:15.34 | petn-randall | bigterd: I cannot parse that question. |
| 19:15.37 | boktan | the thing is what haves to do with kali |
| 19:15.43 | OneM_Industries | Hello all! |
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| 19:16.12 | OneM_Industries | I am attempting to boot up a debian instance, and am encountering some difficulty. |
| 19:16.13 | joepublic | boktan, configuration of the machine hosting the virtualbox to connect with the outside world will happen in kali, not inside the debian, so it's their help you need |
| 19:16.21 | bigterd | each machine is it's own node/bridge/repeater with one set of wifi adapters. the 2nd installed set is for to run wifi client |
| 19:16.27 | petn-randall | boktan: Because you said your site already runs in the VM. So that part is done. What you need is all that networking stuff on your host machine and beyond. |
| 19:16.34 | OneM_Industries | It gets to "Installing knfsd" and stalls. |
| 19:16.36 | bigterd | more machines, stronger the network signals from additional machines in the area |
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| 19:16.48 | boktan | site already runs on kali too what about that ? petn-randall |
| 19:16.50 | joepublic | there is a ##linux channel where people may be able to help with both kali and debian |
| 19:16.54 | boktan | but not over wan |
| 19:17.12 | boktan | i can type my domain on kali or virtualbox no problem it runs |
| 19:17.20 | boktan | everything i did on debian |
| 19:17.25 | OneM_Industries | Any ideas or suggestions? I am unable to even get to a terminal. |
| 19:17.26 | joepublic | boktan, friendly observation, you are perhaps not listening as well as volunteer helpers on the internet would like to see in order to give help, also |
| 19:17.27 | cousin_luigi | jelly: 19:37:02 < jelly> and iptables still exists in debian 9 and also 10 <- really? I'm shut out of my machine. |
| 19:17.34 | boktan | if you dont know say just you dont know |
| 19:17.44 | joepublic | iptables really exists, yes |
| 19:17.45 | petn-randall | boktan: Great. Now move on to setting up your network. In either #kali-linux or in ##networking. This is not related to Debian. |
| 19:18.01 | joepublic | I am running iptables on stretch and buster every day |
| 19:18.29 | qwazx | Hi. I've installed debian on bare-metal without DHCP(so manually set IP/gateway at install) but now I see that the interface altough is up, it has no IP(other than that 169.254.* one) but I noticed /etc/network/interfaces seems to be set up correct for the IP/gateway inherited from install. Any ideas how to make it take effect? this worked only once: # ifdown enp0s25 ; ifup enp0s25 ; but it doesn't anymore(after reboot) because it says enp0s25 |
| 19:18.29 | qwazx | wasn't defined(I can't remember exact message) |
| 19:18.38 | cousin_luigi | oh, it's up now |
| 19:18.46 | cousin_luigi | I wonder what took it so long. |
| 19:18.53 | jelly | cousin_luigi, did you read the release notes? |
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| 19:19.07 | cousin_luigi | jelly: No, I didn't even know where to look:) |
| 19:19.10 | qwazx | On another note, how do I find out which package owns specific file? eg. "connmand" executable |
| 19:19.12 | cousin_luigi | I'm for oral tradition! |
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| 19:19.38 | jelly | dpkg, jessie->stretch |
| 19:19.38 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 19:19.53 | jelly | cousin_luigi, ^ you did not notice that the first time? |
| 19:19.53 | cousin_luigi | jelly: No backports. |
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| 19:20.26 | jelly | cousin_luigi, what about backports |
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| 19:20.42 | cousin_luigi | jelly: I don't use backports and I disabled third-party repos. |
| 19:20.56 | joepublic | the first line, for the oral-traditioners among us, says "READ AT LEAST THE UPGRADING CHAPTER OF THE RELEASE NOTES" |
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| 19:21.05 | jelly | cousin_luigi, link to the upgrade docs is in the first sentence |
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| 19:21.15 | OneM_Industries | ..I'll come back later. |
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| 19:21.33 | jelly | cousin_luigi, also: /msg dpkg stretch->buster |
| 19:21.49 | jhutchins | qwazx: dpkg -S file |
| 19:21.58 | qwazx | jhutchins, thanks |
| 19:22.08 | jelly | OneM_Industries, "knfsd" sounds very, VERY old. Which debian release is this supposed to be? |
| 19:22.17 | cousin_luigi | jelly: Nice to know, even after the fact. At least I'll know what fscked me:) |
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| 19:22.46 | OneM_Industries | jelly: Jessie. |
| 19:23.08 | OneM_Industries | It *does* say copyright 1996 though. |
| 19:23.19 | jelly | OneM_Industries, what does? |
| 19:23.46 | cousin_luigi | I don't understand why deborphan would like to get rid of grub2. |
| 19:23.53 | OneM_Industries | "Installing knfsd (Copyright 1996 [email address]) |
| 19:24.57 | jelly | OneM_Industries, that does not sound like a normal boot or installation process for debian 8, maybe ask your provider what is going on |
| 19:25.14 | jelly | there should be no "installing" of anything during boot |
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| 19:25.29 | OneM_Industries | Provider? |
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| 19:26.08 | qwazx | jhutchins, that was really usefull, I've removed avahi-daemon(spelling?) and connmand/connman and rebooted and now the interface is up with the proper IP! Thanks for the help! |
| 19:26.25 | OneM_Industries | Sorry, this is my machine. There's no provider that I know of... |
| 19:26.40 | jhutchins | !next |
| 19:26.40 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 19:26.41 | qwazx | I'm guessing connmand was interfering with /etc/network/interfaces settings, somehow |
| 19:26.46 | qwazx | :)) |
| 19:26.53 | jhutchins | qwazx: Glad you got it working. |
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| 19:27.17 | erreur404 | qwazx: network-manager ;) |
| 19:27.36 | qwazx | erreur404, I don't think I have that, I put lxqt not xfce |
| 19:27.46 | jelly | OneM_Industries, in that case, you seem to have leftover cruft from some very old release(s), that did not get removed or neutralized during release upgrades |
| 19:28.01 | qwazx | Another thing, I've set root and user passwords at install, but I don't have sudo rights for the user(not in sudoers file), however 'systemctl start sshd' does prompt me for a password in a GUI and it works. |
| 19:28.30 | qwazx | maybe that's normal if root password is set? |
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| 19:28.34 | qwazx | at install time |
| 19:28.45 | OneM_Industries | jelly: This was a fresh install of jessie at the time onto a blank disk. |
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| 19:28.59 | OneM_Industries | No previous versions were ever present. |
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| 19:29.33 | jhutchins | qwazx: Exactly. If you set the root password it doesn't set up sudo. I think all you have to do is make sure it's installed, add yourself to the sudo group, log out and back in. |
| 19:29.48 | jhutchins | qwazx: Or you can just do su - |
| 19:30.05 | qwazx | jhutchins, is it sudo group or wheel maybe? |
| 19:30.05 | jelly | OneM_Industries, if you can't boot, boot a livecd/liveusb linux, mount your jessie system someplace, chroot into it, and show "cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 19:30.27 | jelly | qwazx, it's NOT wheel. |
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| 19:30.34 | OneM_Industries | Hang on, I'll stick the drive into my main machine. |
| 19:31.04 | OneM_Industries | "8.11" |
| 19:31.28 | jelly | OneM_Industries, that was quick. pastebin "lsblk" |
| 19:31.43 | qwazx | jelly, jhutchins : ah you're right, it is 'sudo': "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" |
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| 19:33.17 | qwazx | alright, I appreciate the help, cheers! |
| 19:33.41 | jelly | OneM_Industries, and "blkid" as well. On the "main" machine, while your jessie disk is plugged in. |
| 19:34.09 | OneM_Industries | Well, this could be a problem. "lsblk: failed to access sysfs directory: /sys/dev/block: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:38.22 | qwazx | I don't understand what's going on here, could someone explain this reasoning? https://paste.debian.net/1125748/ |
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| 19:41.11 | qwazx | here's one more step: https://paste.debian.net/1125749/ |
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| 19:41.49 | qwazx | hmm, I'm using lxqt, so I don't want it removed |
| 19:41.51 | towo` | and what's the problem? |
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| 19:42.01 | qwazx | why can't I just remove qlipper? |
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| 19:42.13 | towo` | you can |
| 19:42.20 | towo` | lxqt is only a metapackage |
| 19:42.41 | towo` | and since lxqt depends on clipper, it will gone |
| 19:43.09 | qwazx | so if I want to keep the stuff from autoremove... |
| 19:44.30 | qwazx | like libreoffice |
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| 19:46.37 | qwazx | I mean, if I want to still be able to call 'apt autoremove' in the future, without removing any of those that got added to autoremove list because I ran this command "# apt-get remove qlipper clipit xfce4-clipman" |
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| 19:48.55 | towo` | qwazx, set those packages as manualy installed |
| 19:49.07 | qwazx | by running some apt command? |
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| 19:49.59 | dD_ | My server has five network interfaces. It seems like four of my network interfaces won't light up, when an ethernet network is connected, only the fifth one will. Is there anyway to debug this? |
| 19:51.01 | qwazx | that explains why removing one clipper wanted to install another, lxqt depends on "qlipper | clipit | xfce4-clipman" |
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| 19:52.19 | jjakob | how could I check if a given URL is a valid debian mirror from a script? |
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| 19:53.34 | jjakob | I guess check for the presence and existence of a file |
| 19:53.44 | qwazx | towo`, ok this "# apt-get install libreoffice-calc" -> "libreoffice-calc set to manually installed." |
| 19:53.49 | qwazx | towo`, thanks |
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| 20:00.32 | chmykh | Hello dear Debian users! I am new to Debian, I want to have main Debian OS on my PC, which of the versions of Debian I want install? Thank you. |
| 20:01.07 | gry | hi, see https://www.debian.org/distrib/ "download an installation image" |
| 20:01.16 | jhutchins | chmykh: You want buster, stable release 10. |
| 20:01.28 | towo` | i would use the unofficial firmware image |
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| 20:01.39 | jhutchins | chmykh: You can install any desktop environment without a special installer. The default is Gnome. |
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| 20:04.21 | chmykh | gry, jhutchins, thank you! |
| 20:04.36 | gry | ok |
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| 20:22.08 | CarlFK | using a ubuntu box (what I am chatting on) how do I file a bug against https://packages.debian.org/buster/voctomix-outcasts |
| 20:22.59 | joepublic | CarlFK, https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 20:40.55 | galvanoport | Is intel-microcode necessary? |
| 20:41.23 | joepublic | intel-microcode is not necessary. (I don't have it installed here, running great) |
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| 20:43.05 | annadane | i would say you should install it |
| 20:43.19 | jelly | galvanoport, if you have a recent intel cpu, they're an important part of some security fixes |
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| 20:44.36 | jelly | BIOS/firmware upgrades usually also ship cpu microcode |
| 20:45.02 | jelly | so that can be an alternative |
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| 20:50.17 | galvanoport | when i type "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bugs" in terminal, I get these bugs about my old 2nd generation i3 cpu "cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit" |
| 20:50.31 | galvanoport | as if these bugs is getting every year. |
| 20:50.59 | galvanoport | as if these bugs is getting rise every year. |
| 20:51.26 | OerHeks | with "noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off mitigations=off" your cpu runs fast again /joke |
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| 20:56.48 | galvanoport | are there these bugs with new pentium or celeron cpus? |
| 21:01.46 | galvanoport | thanks for your replies |
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| 21:04.41 | cousin_luigi | gn |
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| 21:17.31 | spacebug^ | how would I use pinning https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration to disable all but one package from for example non-free? |
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| 21:18.22 | ksk | spacebug^: packages from nonfree wont get installed "automaticly". |
| 21:18.25 | jelly | spacebug^, what do you mean by disable, prevent installation? |
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| 21:19.32 | spacebug^ | yeah I want to prevent installation of packages from non-free (except that one I need) |
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| 21:21.40 | spacebug^ | If I understand that site correct I should be able to do somthing like pinning with origin c=non-free and set the pin-priority to 1? |
| 21:22.05 | dac894 | dpkg-deb error broken pipe, because I ran 'apt upgrade' as root?? I'm on buster/raspbian. -deb hence question in here |
| 21:22.53 | towo` | !raspbian |
| 21:22.54 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:23.00 | jelly | dac894, ask in #raspbian please, they have a better chance to know what went wrong with their packages |
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| 21:23.14 | towo` | and btw, without the whole error, no one could help, eben in raspbian channel |
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| 21:23.45 | jelly | dac894, give them the whole command line you ran and the whole output, in a pastebin |
| 21:23.52 | dac894 | I appreciate you time and shall take you advice. Thank You |
| 21:24.32 | dac894 | I'm in the busy box rescue shell, I see the reinstall but hope to learn something in the process |
| 21:24.47 | solrize | man, apt-get install cups --install-suggested downloaded 100s of packages (4gb total), installed a lot of seemingly irrelevant stuff like apache and mariadb and samba, and then completely messed up my system to the point where it can't start the x server on boot any more. it was a fairly new install so i'm gonna reinstall from scratch but this is messed up |
| 21:26.13 | dac894 | towo`, eben phatfingers? haha |
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| 21:27.06 | towo` | apt-get install cups --install-suggested is not a valid command |
| 21:27.16 | dac894 | funny how the date instead of 2019 and 2020 is now 1970 (scratching head) |
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| 21:27.59 | joepublic | I don't think the rpi has a real-time clock |
| 21:28.22 | jjakob | no it doesn't, it comes with fake-hwclock |
| 21:28.59 | jjakob | if you're missing fake-hwclock your date on boot will be 1970 until ntp can synchronixe it |
| 21:29.30 | jjakob | otherwise it will be set from a file that is written on previous shutdown to disk |
| 21:29.42 | dac894 | no rtc just nist.gov touch |
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| 21:30.20 | OneM_Industries | So, still trying to figure this out. Every single time I try to boot this machine, it stalls on "installing knfsd". |
| 21:30.35 | OneM_Industries | This includes while in recovery mode. |
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| 21:31.02 | jelly | OneM_Industries, did you pastebin the outputs of lsblk and blkid? |
| 21:31.40 | OneM_Industries | jelly: lsblk returned nothing, blkid returned this: https://pastebin.com/ciKXMH97 |
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| 21:33.36 | towo` | OneM_Industries, try booting your system with modprobe.blacklist=nfsd as bootparameter |
| 21:34.11 | OneM_Industries | Got it. |
| 21:35.35 | jelly | OneM_Industries, what kind of (live) linux OS and version do you have that lsblk returns nothing? It possibly needs to be run as root. |
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| 21:37.24 | OneM_Industries | My main lab machine is running ubuntu 14.04. (Yes, it's outdated, that's the next project.) The machine that will not boot is Debian Jessie 8.11. |
| 21:38.03 | jelly | oh, that might not have lsblk at all |
| 21:38.29 | jelly | should still have said something like "bash: lsblk: command not found" |
| 21:38.50 | jelly | OneM_Industries, why are you installing debian 8 at all, btw? |
| 21:39.12 | jelly | and do you happen to know which specific iso image you downloaded? |
| 21:39.32 | OneM_Industries | So, let's back up. |
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| 21:40.18 | OneM_Industries | This was an existing installation, which I am attempting to transfer from one machine to another. |
| 21:40.52 | OneM_Industries | I genuinely don't know what iso it was. |
| 21:41.20 | OneM_Industries | It at least partially boots on the new hardware. |
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| 21:44.57 | CarolinaSpiceBoi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.07 | OneM_Industries | jelly: Tried running lsblk again, got this: lsblk: failed to access sysfs directory: /sys/dev/block: No such file or directory |
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| 21:49.38 | Busybody43 | I need some help getting supertux on the raspbian computer.... (a cana computer) I tried both the .appimage and .flatpakref files... but I can't really get both of them to work! please help me! |
| 21:50.03 | towo` | !raspbian |
| 21:50.03 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 21:50.05 | joepublic | dpkg: raspbian |
| 21:50.26 | towo` | and btw, apt install supertux |
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| 21:53.02 | Busybody43 | it says debian reference on it.... so maybe it's a hybrid |
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| 21:54.00 | joepublic | debian is a distribution that many other distributions are based on. those distributions end up with many debian packages. |
| 21:54.03 | joepublic | dpkg: based on debian |
| 21:54.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:57.24 | Habbie | Busybody43, i suggest #raspbian or #raspberrypi |
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| 22:28.45 | qwazx | hey, any idea how to use x11vnc with sddm ? I can't seem to find sddm's .Xauthority file to tell x11vnc. This is when no one is logged in. |
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| 22:31.04 | qwazx | this didn't work: https://askubuntu.com/a/1114821 |
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| 22:32.16 | qwazx | this neither https://github.com/sddm/sddm/pull/180#issuecomment-45124185 |
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| 22:34.01 | qwazx | ok wait, that first link might work, it's just that it can't read it yet: -rw------- 1 sddm sddm |
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| 22:36.40 | hanasaki | gnome desktop icons on screen has been removed? any replacement? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28 |
| 22:38.09 | qwazx | ok it works if I prepend: sudo -u sddm -- |
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| 22:50.13 | qwazx | I don't suppose it's possible to upgrade only xfwm4 package from 4.12.5-1 to something like 4.14 ? |
| 22:50.47 | Miles8of9 | you need to update dependencies ofc |
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| 22:53.03 | qwazx | ok, how? |
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| 22:54.42 | at0m | hanasaki: i assume there's another package that would handle those now? fluxbox suggests, for example, idesk. see apt show idesk. or desklaunch. |
| 22:55.15 | qwazx | eh, I guess maybe 1 second delay for x11vnc isn't that bad |
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| 22:57.02 | at0m | ,v xfwm4 |
| 22:57.03 | judd | Package: xfwm4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1-3; stretch: 4.12.4-1; buster: 4.12.5-1; bullseye: 4.14.0-2; sid: 4.14.0-2 |
| 22:57.21 | at0m | qwazx: no backports it seems |
| 22:57.56 | qwazx | can't I use one of these? bullseye: 4.14.0-2; sid: 4.14.0-2 |
| 22:58.10 | qwazx | like tell apt to get one but only xfwm4 |
| 22:58.19 | at0m | qwazx: you'll get dependency mess |
| 22:58.26 | qwazx | ah i see |
| 22:58.35 | qwazx | oh well, 1 sec delay it is then |
| 22:58.50 | qwazx | unless, I could build it from source ? |
| 22:59.05 | at0m | qwazx: you could set different resolution, or lower bitdepth, stuff like that |
| 22:59.58 | qwazx | but what if I wanted to build xfwm4 from source, how would I do that? at0m |
| 23:00.22 | at0m | qwazx: i have no idea. |
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| 23:08.06 | qwazx | at0m, found the source package and see the deps you mentioned, at https://packages.debian.org/source/buster/xfwm4 |
| 23:08.36 | at0m | qwazx: and then the deps of the deps. and their deps. |
| 23:08.51 | qwazx | lol |
| 23:10.16 | qwazx | oh looks like this command got thoe 3 src files for me: $ apt-get source xfwm4 but it failed because I also needed package dpkg-dev |
| 23:11.39 | qwazx | ok ok, correction the updated package(aka 4.14 instead of 4.12) is here: https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/xfwm4 |
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| 23:17.02 | at0m | qwazx: that's why i searched for bpo. backport is more recent package, but with current depends. that avoids such dependency hell. if you need to ask, i suggest you stick to 4.12. |
| 23:17.23 | qwazx | ok, thank you |
| 23:18.07 | at0m | or if you have too much time at hand, backup your current system, and try it out. or install a VM and try compiling it there. |
| 23:18.43 | at0m | at least either of those will avoid your current system breaking |
| 23:18.49 | qwazx | I'll stick with 4.12, it seems too complicated, I looked at https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/SourcePackage and https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 23:19.23 | at0m | :) |
| 23:19.29 | qwazx | Any idea where to look to use a more up to date kernel? like 5.4.10 ? I'm on 4.19 something |
| 23:19.47 | qwazx | Linux laptop 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:20.04 | at0m | is that kernel going to solve any issues you're having now? |
| 23:20.43 | qwazx | no, it's for something different |
| 23:21.12 | qwazx | I mean, I doubt buster is stuck with just one kernel |
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| 23:21.35 | tds | qwazx: you can get 5.3.9.2 from buster-backports |
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| 23:25.22 | karlpinc | qwazx: There's a kernel handbook for compiling and making kernel packages. This is mostly for the debian packagers but there's info in there intended for the end-user doing their own backporting of newer kernels. FYI. |
| 23:25.50 | qwazx | thanks tds & karlpinc I'm looking into it |
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| 23:26.43 | qwazx | karlpinc, found it https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ |
| 23:27.28 | qwazx | tds, following from here https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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