| 00:00.04 | somiaj | by default in debian I think other users can read your data just not write to it |
| 00:00.24 | Miles8of9 | lol i need to check that :| |
| 00:00.36 | ratrace | yup. meanwhile, unix user permissions is something I'd never trust enough. I'd always go a with a proper MAC policy instead |
| 00:00.47 | somiaj | yea, ls -l /home, looks like 755 is default $HOME permission, 750 will isolate users data more. |
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| 00:01.00 | ratrace | there be suids or dbus exploits and DAC is pretty much very weak in 2019 computing patterns. |
| 00:01.13 | somiaj | yea, it really depends on how devious you think said program could be, the more barriers/isolation, the bettter |
| 00:01.41 | Miles8of9 | what is MAC policy? |
| 00:02.01 | ratrace | Mandatory Access Policy. AppArmor, SELinux, Grsec/RBAC, and I'm sure there are others |
| 00:02.38 | ximpr | Hi, I am trying to connect my PC and an Android phone via USB and have trouble with that, I can't access the phone's storage. First unusual thing I notice is that the output from mtp-detect varies. |
| 00:03.04 | ximpr | First time I plug the USB cable in mtp-detect lists the phone with a lot of data with no errors. |
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| 00:03.21 | somiaj | ximpr: there are various ways to do this, and the default I think is terrible. But if you want to use mtp you need some program that knows how to communicate to the phone |
| 00:03.39 | Miles8of9 | if i'm not wrong apparmor should bee installed by default on debian... |
| 00:03.52 | somiaj | I personally find using the andriod devlopment tools adb the better way to access the phone (though you do have to turn debugging mode on for your phone) |
| 00:03.57 | ratrace | ximpr: I'm using jmtpfs for that. A bit glitchy (have to give perms on the phone twice) but otherwise okay. |
| 00:04.01 | ximpr | somiaj: I tried to use jmtpfs as well, in vain. Do you have any recommendations? |
| 00:04.03 | somiaj | Miles8of9: in buster, yes, but it is still a fairly minimial policy. |
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| 00:04.14 | ratrace | Miles8of9: yes it is, but very little default policies. Probably none for your dangerous programs. |
| 00:04.27 | somiaj | ximpr: jmtpfs worked for me, but it was always slow, adb was much faster (I use it for copying gigs of photos off my phone) |
| 00:04.47 | somiaj | ximpr: though with adb it does help to have some familarity with a cli shell |
| 00:05.14 | ximpr | somiaj: I have that. Did you just use adb push or what? |
| 00:05.15 | ratrace | there's that (free?) mobile app that you can use to establish http(s) based connection to the phone and transfer files. forgot its name... |
| 00:05.46 | somiaj | Miles8of9: A chroot can be quick and easy method, as long as the program doesn't try to do a root exploit and escape the chroot, this can work for many things. A vm just offers a large layer of protection, because you can just destory the VM if things go wrong. |
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| 00:06.09 | somiaj | ximpr: yup, I just use adb pull and push. Though I had to do some trick (like tap a certain button on my phone 11 times) to turn the debug mode on to use it. |
| 00:06.23 | ratrace | though nothing prevents you to run the VM process under a SELinux or maybe even apparmor policy :) |
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| 00:06.52 | somiaj | I still think a sepearte machine with no internet connection is one of the safer methods. |
| 00:06.58 | ratrace | true. |
| 00:07.06 | Miles8of9 | i'm trying to understand apparmor.. |
| 00:07.07 | somiaj | also no data or anything except a basic install you will reimage after you are done. |
| 00:07.41 | ximpr | somiaj: I already did this and adb works for me, didn't think to use it for that, thought it would work with MTP. But I guess adb is probably okay for now, I don't need to use it often. |
| 00:07.46 | ratrace | somiaj: but even that isn't 100% safe :) in theory, the IME thingy could be infected so any OS installed afterwards easily pwn'd. after all, there's a whole minix inside that IME :) |
| 00:08.00 | ratrace | far fetched, but proof enough that even that ain't 100% safe |
| 00:08.25 | somiaj | ratrace: ahh yea, hide something in the cmos |
| 00:08.39 | ratrace | efi even |
| 00:08.43 | somiaj | so after you are done, completely reflash all of the firmware on the machine |
| 00:10.40 | Miles8of9 | i see files if /etc/apparmor.d |
| 00:11.12 | Miles8of9 | do i need to put a file there with custom options for that program? |
| 00:11.35 | ratrace | Miles8of9: yes and you can use aa-genprof or aa-logprof to construct initial policies |
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| 00:11.53 | ratrace | there's an official apparmor wiki with examples and guides |
| 00:12.08 | Miles8of9 | that's interesting |
| 00:12.29 | zylop | yeah |
| 00:12.43 | zylop | but now im faster |
| 00:12.45 | zylop | sorry ! |
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| 00:13.00 | ratrace | I got my own policies on firefox, steam, other programs I frequently use with untrusted data |
| 00:14.21 | Miles8of9 | what options did you put? |
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| 00:14.46 | ratrace | Miles8of9: all the paths and modes required for legitimate operation of those programs |
| 00:15.12 | ratrace | the point of a MAC policy is to say what the program is allowed and expected to do, so everything else is denied. |
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| 00:15.30 | ratrace | read the wiki. bbl, lunch |
| 00:15.38 | Miles8of9 | ok thanks a lot |
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| 00:20.44 | ximpr | Oh cool, just saw that Raphael Hertzog and some others are updating the Debian Administrator Handbook for Buster :) Would love to see a new version of it. |
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| 00:22.36 | mason | Hey all. I'm wondering if there are known issues netbooting libvirt-hosted VMs. I'm following https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall and I can boot hardware this way fine, but I'm getting "no bootable device" from ipxe. Not sure if/how to configure root-path, or what's missing. I don't seem to need root-path to load pxelinux.0 on hardware. |
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| 00:38.43 | mason | Woot, figured it out. |
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| 00:38.59 | ksk | mason: what was the issue? |
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| 00:42.55 | mason | ksk: So, hardware seems not to require an explicit next-server, but ipxe does. With that in place, it works. I got thrown off by debugging stuff I was reading that was talking about root-path, which ends up being irrelevant if I'm loading pxelinux.0. |
| 00:43.12 | mason | At least, the hardware sitting with me that I'm using for testing. |
| 00:43.33 | mason | Alright, now to build the equivalent for Devuan. |
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| 08:21.31 | crivrc | hi, I created a gnu screen session from an X desktop. Later on I sshd into that machine, detached and reatached the screen session. Then If remotely I restart the X server (systemctl restart lightdm) the screen session dies. That was kind of unexpected and I suppose it is because of systemd. How can I get the old behaviour back? |
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| 08:22.34 | nkuttler | that doesn't sound right, works for me |
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| 08:32.47 | r3m1 | where is lsof in debian 9 ? |
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| 08:34.20 | r3m1 | alright apt-get install |
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| 08:39.31 | jm_ | crivrc: apparently using systemd-run should help |
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| 08:47.59 | crivrc | thanks jm_ I will take a look |
| 08:48.11 | jm_ | crivrc: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User at the bottom |
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| 08:50.08 | crivrc | yes, that makes sense, thanks jm_ |
| 08:50.46 | jm_ | crivrc: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8486 also mentions loginctl enable-linger |
| 08:50.51 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 09:04.20 | pirla | Hello everyone |
| 09:04.34 | pirla | Please, can anyone recommend a passsword generator with gui? |
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| 09:05.40 | JackFrost | keepassxc is a password manager that can also generate passwords. |
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| 09:06.08 | ratrace | I use keepassxc too. nice tool. |
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| 09:07.28 | nlpqda | I've tried to change the current jerky touchpad driver of latitude e6230 using "dpkg -i oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics-dkms_0.1_all.deb", now I eneded up receiving apt issues whenever Itry to install anyone like error code 1 oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics-dkms |
| 09:08.05 | pirla | Just installed, exactly what I need |
| 09:08.13 | jm_ | !bat |
| 09:08.13 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:08.19 | pirla | thanks so much |
| 09:08.58 | pirla | Now, any image to ASCII art converter, still with GUI? |
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| 09:09.20 | nlpqda | anyone? |
| 09:09.32 | jm_ | nlpqda: see what dpkg said above |
| 09:09.40 | pirla | did you try "apt-get -f install"? |
| 09:11.28 | pirla | Anyone? |
| 09:11.57 | jm_ | pirla: cacaview, catimg are CLI tools for that |
| 09:12.07 | pirla | no GUI? |
| 09:12.11 | pirla | anything? |
| 09:12.42 | nlpqda | pirla: yes I've tried and that is how I keep getting this annoying error 1 |
| 09:12.46 | jm_ | why would you want to render an image in a terminal and then create a GUI arround it? doesn't sound like a very needed feature |
| 09:12.50 | nlpqda | I'll pastebin it |
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| 09:13.07 | pirla | No, I'd like to convert an image to a text content in eg mousepad |
| 09:13.14 | pirla | he xfce text editorù |
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| 09:13.31 | pirla | The XFCE text editor |
| 09:13.54 | nlpqda | https://pastebin.com/T2WdVaHb |
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| 09:14.09 | pirla | Mainly because I don't remember CLI commands, so a GUI based one would run from menu |
| 09:14.11 | jm_ | again, I only heard about CLI tools for that, no idea if anything with gui exists |
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| 09:14.29 | pirla | Ok, thanks anyhow |
| 09:14.42 | jm_ | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 (amd64) |
| 09:14.42 | jm_ | Consult /var/lib/dkms/oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics/0.1/build/make.log for more information. |
| 09:14.45 | pirla | Last: any folder sync/diff, still with GUI? |
| 09:15.02 | jm_ | look in that file for clues, probably missing kernel headers? |
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| 09:15.40 | pirla | Maybe Kdiff3? |
| 09:16.11 | jm_ | that's a diff tool |
| 09:16.27 | pirla | Can it sync folders? |
| 09:16.45 | pirla | Like Diff, but on folders instead of files |
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| 09:16.59 | jm_ | grsync is a GUI front-end for rsync |
| 09:17.04 | pirla | thanks |
| 09:18.05 | pirla | You're a very outstanding community, great! |
| 09:18.19 | jm_ | unison-all-gtk might also do that |
| 09:19.29 | pirla | Now, I'd like to install DeadDeer (http://deaddeer.free.fr/), but it's thought for Ubuntu, while I'm using Debian stable |
| 09:19.35 | pirla | Any help? |
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| 09:21.24 | ratrace | pirla: it's a tarball. maybe you can extract it somewhere in your home and run directly. maybe it'll just work. do not, however, run any installation scripts as root |
| 09:21.49 | malestorm | Hey, any GRUB people around? |
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| 09:22.33 | ratrace | malestorm: state your issue and someone might know the solution |
| 09:22.45 | malestorm | There's a deb package "grub-efi-amd64-signed" for grub install target "x86_64-amd64-signed". I assume this is for secure boot. |
| 09:22.58 | malestorm | Upon calling grub-install it will create two files in /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ grub.cfg and grubx64.efi. |
| 09:23.32 | malestorm | I'm using ubuntu, but debian has equivalent stuff |
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| 09:23.40 | jelly-home | malestorm: it is rather unusual that grub from Debian would touch /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/ |
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| 09:23.51 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 09:23.51 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 09:24.02 | pirla | Ratrace: Yes, but I can't made it to run, in the tarball there's an install.txt (I'll pastebin it) |
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| 09:24.36 | jelly-home | malestorm: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server if it's a server install |
| 09:24.42 | pirla | http://paste.debian.net/1126370/ |
| 09:25.41 | pirla | And this is the error I get: http://paste.debian.net/1126371/ |
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| 09:27.10 | ratrace | pirla: I'm afraid that program is built against very specific libraries, and wouldn't even work on all ubuntu versions. |
| 09:27.19 | pirla | Oh, I see |
| 09:27.26 | ratrace | debian stable has libpng16 |
| 09:27.57 | ratrace | pirla: what you can do is run an ubuntu chroot, or resort to containers/LXC, on your stable debian, just for that program |
| 09:27.59 | jm_ | that's an old library, no longer available in buster but it was available in jessie |
| 09:28.03 | pirla | Now, one last thing: I have a Python App, which I'd like to make available system-wide and add to the menu. How can I do? |
| 09:28.09 | pirla | I'm using XFCE |
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| 09:31.09 | Miles8of9 | suspects pirla may not be so smart...! |
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| 09:32.40 | Haohmaru | unfortunately, not everybody is "so smart" |
| 09:32.48 | jm_ | pirla: see if this helps - man menufile |
| 09:33.20 | jm_ | hmm does menufile really not look anywhere in /usr/local? that's a shame |
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| 09:34.44 | jm_ | I suppose /etc will do for your case |
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| 09:36.04 | diogenes_ | pirla, make a appname.desktop in .local/share/applications and fill in all the needed info, if you can't figure out, ask me. |
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| 09:36.40 | jm_ | or that |
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| 09:39.33 | pirla | diogenes, brb |
| 09:40.21 | pirla | Here I am |
| 09:40.38 | pirla | diogenes, may I msg you? |
| 09:40.56 | diogenes_ | pirla, yes |
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| 11:42.52 | Regor | what are good choices for foss-supported usb wifi adapters ? |
| 11:43.40 | jm_ | the list on https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi has a "free" column, check if that helps |
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| 11:45.10 | colo-work | Regor, try to get something with an Atheros ath9k radio |
| 11:45.57 | Regor | yeah..cool |
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| 11:46.32 | colo-work | Regor, https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc for more info |
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| 11:49.43 | Regor | thanks âï¸ |
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| 11:51.33 | centrix | I have freshly installed Deb10 + Gnome, but my screen is, oh Gosh, upside down! |
| 11:51.51 | centrix | There is no option to set my orientation in Setting. |
| 11:52.19 | centrix | When I physically flip my laptop, the screen flips. |
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| 11:52.48 | centrix | It is, boy, so funny.... I have NEVER encountered this done BY ITSELF. |
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| 11:53.45 | centrix | I have not seen this behavios on Win7 that was previously installed :) |
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| 11:55.00 | jm_ | maybe try switching gnome to use xorg |
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| 11:57.08 | centrix | jm_, I thought D10 uses it as a default. |
| 11:58.05 | centrix | xorg packages are installed though. |
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| 11:58.45 | centrix | Like xorg-xserver-core etc. |
| 11:59.20 | centrix | I mean, the screen flips as I flip my laptop, but is initially upside-down :) |
| 11:59.28 | ratrace | default in buster with gnome is wayland. xorg is always installed |
| 11:59.50 | centrix | OK. |
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| 12:05.28 | ws2k3 | centrix: intel vga? |
| 12:05.40 | centrix | Good. I'll see :) |
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| 12:05.49 | centrix | correctly or upside down ... |
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| 12:12.20 | centrix | jm_, good. worked for the login screen. Not for my session. xrandr -o normal resets though, but its is a hack. |
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| 12:13.40 | centrix | Settings->Devices->Display dos not offer Orientation ... maybe a package missing? |
| 12:15.36 | Haohmaru | i've rotated my screen via blah/xorg.conf.d/ permanently |
| 12:15.37 | diogenes_ | centrix, look for iio-sensor-proxy |
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| 12:19.44 | diogenes_ | catz, to blacklist the module? |
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| 12:21.09 | diogenes_ | or a quicker way: sudo rfkill block phy0 (if it's identified as phy0) |
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| 13:28.55 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
| 13:29.03 | OS-62116 | hi |
| 13:30.27 | jomofcw | Is there a way to be sure that, when MyUser create a file in a directory (in his home) which is owned by "MyUser:TheGroup", this new file will be owned too by "MyUser:TheGroup", please ? Curently this new file is owned by "MyUser:MyUser". |
| 13:31.42 | dvs | jomofcw, chmod g+s <dir> |
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| 13:36.54 | ratrace | aka group sticky aka setgid |
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| 13:39.22 | jomofcw | OK, thanks both of you, trying. |
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| 13:41.09 | jomofcw | Work well, thanks ^^ ! |
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| 13:47.39 | NetTerminalGene | i downloaded ttf font. which directory shoul i put it? |
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| 13:51.27 | colo-work | NetTerminalGene, with that .ttf in ~/.fonts, fontconfig should be able to pick it up |
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| 15:09.47 | wwilliam | hello i have done the following umask 0013 that should give me perms echo $(( 777 - 13 )) 764 why after doing this i create a test dir and the dir has: |
| 15:11.02 | wwilliam | nm sorry I thought i was creating a dir i was creating a file. |
| 15:11.54 | greycat | 013 is a really *weird* umask |
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| 15:12.17 | greycat | Why do you want your files to be group-writable but not group-readable? |
| 15:13.19 | greycat | err... wait, 1 is x not r. |
| 15:14.03 | greycat | So, the "1" in the group umask means no change for regular files, but take away the group execute bit if the file is created with the intent of being executable. As I said, weird. |
| 15:14.17 | greycat | Still waiting for an answer to "why". |
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| 15:15.06 | wwilliam | with that the perms for files is: -rw-rw-r-- 1 afernandez afernandez 0 Jan 17 10:11 file |
| 15:15.19 | wwilliam | for dirs drwxrw-r-- 2 afernandez afernandez 4096 Jan 17 10:10 umaskdir |
| 15:15.39 | greycat | As I said in my correction, you get no change for regular files, but it's still the WRONG way to get that. If you actually want no changes in the group perms at all, just use 0 in that triplet. |
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| 15:16.15 | greycat | And yes, you just demonstrated the missing x group bit on the directory. I cannot imagine any scenario where a sane person looks at drwxrw-r-- and thinks "yes, that's what I wanted". |
| 15:16.34 | ratrace | you can ls but you can't cd :) |
| 15:16.39 | wwilliam | ok |
| 15:16.49 | wwilliam | I will add x; thanks |
| 15:16.59 | greycat | What are you trying to DO? |
| 15:17.43 | wwilliam | set up umask so any new dir are 774 |
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| 15:18.08 | ratrace | not 775? |
| 15:18.09 | wwilliam | for a user |
| 15:18.38 | wwilliam | hmm may b 775 is better yes. |
| 15:18.41 | wwilliam | Thank you. |
| 15:18.45 | greycat | 002 is a reasonable umask, then |
| 15:18.52 | wwilliam | Thank you |
| 15:19.05 | greycat | Basically, there are no sane umasks that contain digits other than 0, 2 and 7. |
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| 15:20.03 | wwilliam | ok 775 and 664 will do thank you all |
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| 15:20.30 | wwilliam | for that to be permanent put in the users .bashrc? or .profile? |
| 15:20.39 | greycat | Now *that* is much harder to answer. |
| 15:20.49 | wwilliam | Debian 10 |
| 15:21.30 | greycat | Is the user logging in with a full desktop environment session, or are they sshing in, or are they only sftping in to create files, or are they mounting the file system using Windows builtin client over CIFS/SMB, or ... |
| 15:21.57 | wwilliam | is a vm with kde |
| 15:22.26 | greycat | If the question involves the understanding or configuration of virtual machinery, then I'm out. |
| 15:22.32 | wwilliam | no |
| 15:23.11 | wwilliam | The user logging in with a full desktop environment session |
| 15:23.24 | wwilliam | and sometimes ssh from another server |
| 15:23.27 | greycat | Does the user walk up to the machine, see an SDDM login, and type their password and thereby launch a KDE session? |
| 15:23.41 | wwilliam | ^^^^^^^^ yes at times |
| 15:23.53 | wwilliam | other times ssh into it. |
| 15:24.11 | greycat | .profile would handle the ssh case, but it will absolutely NOT handle the kde case |
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| 15:25.06 | wwilliam | kde is not much use greycat actually not at all should i change debian to runlevel 3? |
| 15:25.10 | greycat | Now, you either perform experiments, or we wait for someone who actually knows how to set up account-level umask in KDE in debian 10. |
| 15:25.20 | joepublic | runlevel? |
| 15:25.25 | wwilliam | I dont care about kde. |
| 15:25.33 | greycat | But your user does...? |
| 15:26.06 | wwilliam | the user is me |
| 15:26.12 | greycat | So, what do you want? |
| 15:26.33 | wwilliam | set up umask so any new dir are 774 |
| 15:26.40 | wwilliam | 775 |
| 15:26.42 | wwilliam | sorry |
| 15:26.50 | greycat | No, what do you want from your interactive session when you walk up to the machine? |
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| 15:27.49 | wwilliam | set up umask so any new dir are 774 when created from the terminal. |
| 15:27.54 | greycat | No, what do you want from your interactive session when you walk up to the machine? |
| 15:28.09 | greycat | Do you want a graphical login? Do you want a text console login? |
| 15:28.15 | wwilliam | txt |
| 15:28.16 | ratrace | wwilliam: problem here is that configuring shell rcs only applies to console and terminals (which launch shells). creating dirs from a non-terminal program in KDE would not be affected by that |
| 15:28.24 | greycat | Do you want a specific desktop environment? Do you want a traditional X window manageR? |
| 15:28.32 | wwilliam | I dont want X |
| 15:28.53 | greycat | OK, then get rid of sddm. |
| 15:29.00 | greycat | Login on the text console and your .profile will work. |
| 15:29.22 | wwilliam | OK Thank you. |
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| 15:49.07 | jhutchins_wk | !synaptic |
| 15:49.07 | dpkg | Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (also behaves well with aptitude too). http://wiki.debian.org/Synaptic http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSynaptic . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver. |
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| 15:49.19 | jhutchins_wk | !synaptics |
| 15:49.19 | dpkg | As of stretch, the synaptics driver isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/07/msg00266.html and https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 16:09.59 | maxtim | I'm always up for a different, better solution if anyone has suggestions. I've also been thinking about writing a ptyhon based script and making a cron job for it, but I would like something a little less clunky... |
| 16:11.13 | greycat | log ... in ... credentials?! |
| 16:11.27 | greycat | procmail runs locally, as you, whenever mail is delivered, locally, to you |
| 16:11.35 | greycat | if you are not receiving mail locally, then procmail isn't for you |
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| 16:15.39 | maxtim | yeah, i'm starting to understand that as i continue reading |
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| 16:16.55 | maxtim | So I need a mailserver in order to get email. Yeah, procmail isn't for me in this case |
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| 16:18.54 | maxtim | I suppose I could use postfix for the service, but I'm thinking a python script my do the trick |
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| 17:05.34 | uxf_ | test |
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| 17:06.50 | section1 | test successfully failed ! |
| 17:06.58 | Haohmaru | BOOOOOOM |
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| 17:07.05 | Haohmaru | wut did u do /o\ |
| 17:07.17 | section1 | :) |
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| 17:34.51 | pirla | Hello everyone |
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| 17:35.18 | pirla | I deleted a .desktop file by mistake, is it there any template I can use to create it again? |
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| 17:37.49 | greycat | Was it from a Debian package, or something you compiled and installed from source, or was it a *.desktop file that you downloaded from somewhere, or was it one that you wrote by hand? |
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| 17:41.56 | pirla | No, it was a .desktop file I made with help of a user here |
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| 17:42.09 | pirla | wrote by hand |
| 17:42.23 | greycat | Well, your best bet would be to restore it from your most recent backup.... |
| 17:42.45 | greycat | Other than that, you'll have to rewrite it. There are a bazillion other *.desktop files in the world you can copy from. |
| 17:43.21 | greycat | "locate .desktop" gives me a whole bunch, and I don't even run a Desktop Environment |
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| 17:44.44 | pirla | done, found a template on google |
| 17:44.47 | pirla | thanks anyhow |
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| 17:45.20 | pirla | Just one thing: If I want the App to be displayed in the Graphics menu, what should I type in category? |
| 17:46.03 | greycat | If I were a DE user, I would find the menu in question, see what's *in* it right now, and find one of those and dissect it. |
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| 17:46.43 | pirla | What do you mean? |
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| 17:47.16 | greycat | See what's in the "Graphics menu" right now. Find one of those .desktop files. Study it. |
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| 17:50.02 | pirla | at least, can you give a folder to look into? |
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| 17:50.41 | greycat | No. I cannot. YOU might be able to, because YOU might actually have a "Graphics menu" and YOU might actually be able to read the names of the things that are in it, and then search for them with "locate" or similar commands. |
| 17:50.58 | pirla | I don't have locate |
| 17:51.09 | pirla | what should I install to have it? |
| 17:52.01 | greycat | mlocate is the package name. I don't know whether it builds the locate database immediately upon installation, or later during an (ana)cron job. |
| 17:52.25 | ndorf | it doesn't build immediately IIRC, but you can run it manually with the updatedb command |
| 17:52.51 | greycat | Or, you could state the name of one of the things in the "Graphics menu" and maybe someone here will recognize it and be able to tell you something. |
| 17:53.44 | pirla | No, thanks, I'm doing as you told me |
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| 17:55.36 | pirla | Fantastic, it worked |
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| 17:59.43 | pirla | I also assigned custom icons with logos from the official website of the apps |
| 18:00.14 | greycat | Cool. Now back things up... or, vanish before we can tell you to make a backup. *sigh* |
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| 18:05.11 | annadane | i'm so sorry for everything you have to deal with :P |
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| 18:10.50 | Akuw_ | i am trying to do this "rsync -zrv ssh -oStrictHostKeyChecking=no root@192.168.22.3:/home/deploy/DEPLOY/Installation-Files/ /srv/" |
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| 18:11.57 | greycat | it sounds like you intended to say -zrv -e 'ssh -oStrictHostKeyChecking=no' |
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| 18:12.09 | Akuw_ | Unexpected remote arg: root@192.168.22.3:/home/deploy/DEPLOY/Installation-Files/ |
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| 18:12.51 | Akuw_ | same |
| 18:12.59 | Chilla599 | Hey guys! Anybody can help me with x2go? |
| 18:13.02 | Akuw_ | using -e |
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| 18:14.41 | Akuw_ | working now |
| 18:14.43 | Akuw_ | thanks |
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| 18:20.55 | Chilla599_ | Anybody can help me with x2go Problem? |
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| 18:22.10 | spacebug^ | !ask |
| 18:22.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:25.57 | Chilla599_ | I have the Problem when i try to connect on My Debian Server that x2go ask me about My passphrase for the authkey... I type it in and it's Dont Work |
| 18:26.12 | solido | hello! |
| 18:26.58 | Chilla599_ | When i create a New authkey without passphrase x2go still ask me for the password but it's Dont exist. |
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| 18:29.10 | solido | is there a recommended way of doing filesystem (not block device) encryption in debian stable? ecryptfs isn't packaged, and encfs seems to be mostly abandoned upstream. are there any alternatives? |
| 18:30.28 | greycat | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1012612/ecryptfs-utils-removed-from-testing/ |
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| 18:31.11 | mms_ | hi |
| 18:32.06 | solido | greycat: yes. |
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| 18:33.00 | greycat | #928956 |
| 18:33.02 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/928956 in release-notes (open, moreinfo, buster, patch): «Document removal of ecryptfs-utils from Buster»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-05-13; last modified: 2019-07-01. |
| 18:33.16 | mms_ | i have sdcard + reader put inside my netbook. it is mounted defaults,rw. using root terminal i can create files, folders. i attached my android phone, transfter files selection, but cannot copy files using file cabinet from phone to sdcard. says permission denied. sdcard is vfat/fat32. |
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| 18:37.13 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: Use the console as root. Most removables are mounted writable by root only. |
| 18:37.15 | solido | so i should use luks on a device-mapped file instead? |
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| 18:38.48 | twobitsprite | this might be an oddly specific question, but I have an IoT device which causes SSL protocol errors on Debian but not on Ubuntu. I'm comparing the openssl versions, and I see that Ubuntu has a few compile options that Debian doesn't. Not sure if this is the cause, but does anyone know why this is the case? The difference is Debian has "-DAESNI_ASM" but Ubuntu has "-DAES_ASM" in addition to |
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| 18:38.54 | twobitsprite | "-DBSAES_ASM -DPADLOCK_ASM |
| 18:39.09 | twobitsprite | (or should I just take my question to #openssl?) |
| 18:39.55 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: These are compiled options, not config options? |
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| 18:40.09 | greycat | yes, those would be compile-time options |
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| 18:40.16 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: these are on the "compiler:" line of "openssl version -a" |
| 18:40.25 | greycat | -D defines a symbol for the C compiler |
| 18:40.37 | twobitsprite | Debian: https://termbin.com/0bhx |
| 18:40.46 | twobitsprite | Ubuntu: https://termbin.com/8pwt |
| 18:41.36 | twobitsprite | (Debian is Buster, Ubuntu is Bionic) |
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| 18:42.51 | jhutchins_wk | I guess it's up to the developer to put that option in the version command. Very useful, could be useful elsewhere. |
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| 18:48.05 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: hasn't been very useful so far; no one seems to know what the difference is or if it's even relevant :P |
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| 18:48.50 | greycat | Just going by the name alone, I would think AES_ASM is an assembly language implementation of the AES cipher, as opposed to a C implementation. |
| 18:49.04 | greycat | Hard to imagine how that would cause "protocol errors". |
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| 18:49.30 | greycat | I don't know what BSAES is. |
| 18:50.00 | mms_ | I have now made its file system ext4 and mounted it. still cannot write to it. also unable to unmount it. |
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| 18:50.12 | mms_ | I used defaults option in fstab |
| 18:51.00 | mms_ | what options shold I use in fstab so it will enable rw |
| 18:51.06 | jhutchins_wk | My guess is that your device uses a protocol that's not available in the Debian version. It could be a matter of how your ssl is configured (on either end). |
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| 18:51.49 | greycat | Mounted file systems are read-write by default. If a mount attempt ends up with read-only, read the error messages (either directly on the terminal following mount, or in dmesg) to see why. |
| 18:52.18 | mms_ | greycat: target is busy |
| 18:52.27 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: My guess is that's mounted writable by root only. |
| 18:52.38 | greycat | Oh, that's possible too. User error. |
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| 19:14.31 | jhutchins_wk | Somewhere along the way I seem to have lost the fstab entry I had for my USB drive. |
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| 19:19.26 | mms_ | I have mounted the sdcard has ext4 and am able to copy now |
| 19:19.48 | mms_ | I want to setup tftp on the card so the windows iso I need to extract there ? |
| 19:20.35 | mms_ | the article I had read was for linux and it was tar.gz file which was extracted in tftp area |
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| 19:21.28 | mms_ | iso when I extract on the sdcard (ext4) it will be extracted as ext4 only right ? |
| 19:25.00 | mms_ | I will end up with tftp/windows/ and file in it |
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| 19:28.36 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: Try it and see. |
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| 19:39.42 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: What is your actual goal? |
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| 19:51.52 | mdx0 | hi, i have installed debian on a raspberry 3b+. but it is only in textmode..now i have to get the pi into the net. iw tools are missing but networkctl is available. I like to install a GUI window manager and the package vice. but how I can connect the pi per wifi into net? |
| 19:52.13 | alex-pbj | I'm wanting to load Debian with Xkfc and have found the live boot downloads, but there are free and non-free options. How do I decide which one to download? |
| 19:52.40 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 19:52.40 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:54.36 | alex-pbj | !firmware images |
| 19:54.36 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:54.48 | alex-pbj | woops |
| 19:54.50 | diogenes_ | alex-pbj, go for non-free if you intend to use it as your workstation. |
| 19:55.32 | greycat | If it's a laptop, and/or if you intend to use wifi, you usually want non-free firmware. |
| 19:55.49 | diogenes_ | ^^^ |
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| 19:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | diogenes_: He said it's a pi. |
| 19:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | !networking |
| 19:57.52 | dpkg | For basic networking, «man interfaces» and see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . For further information, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05 . See also <interfaces>, <wifi>, <wireless connection managers>. |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | no, the *other* person said pi |
| 19:58.18 | diogenes_ | jhutchins_wk, ops, missed that. |
| 19:58.41 | alex-pbj | thanks greycat and diogenes_ |
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| 19:59.39 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: You probably want the wireless-tools package. |
| 20:00.00 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: Are you logged in as root? |
| 20:00.24 | mdx0 | yes, I only have here a wifi connection. |
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| 20:01.02 | mdx0 | yes, im logged in as root |
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| 20:03.42 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: What media did you install from? It might have the wireless tools package. |
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| 20:04.02 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: If not you can download it and sneakernet it. |
| 20:04.59 | mdx0 | the debian3+ for pi to sdcard. |
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| 20:05.20 | jhutchins_wk | !pi |
| 20:05.20 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:05.50 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: A pre-built image? |
| 20:05.55 | mdx0 | yes |
| 20:06.21 | greycat | wonders at what point we can just call it, decide they're doing Raspbian, and point 'em to the right channel |
| 20:06.35 | jhutchins_wk | It's surprising that it wouldn't have wifi support with the firmware, how else do you connect the darned thing? Where did you get the image? |
| 20:07.30 | mdx0 | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPiImages |
| 20:07.36 | greycat | And.... now. |
| 20:07.57 | greycat | oh, maybe not. |
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| 20:09.01 | tarzeau | is there a great qt stocks.app for linux? |
| 20:11.11 | sponix2ipfw | tarzeau: not likely, people running Linux are too poor for stocks ;) |
| 20:11.36 | tarzeau | sponix2ipfw: come on, all top500 clusters run Linux |
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| 20:13.07 | tarzeau | sponix2ipfw: ok i'm looking for a poor man's stocks, just to watch it, not for buying ;) |
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| 20:13.18 | mdx0 | jhutchins_wk, I could try to configure /etc/network/interfaces or with networkctl? |
| 20:13.49 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: I have no idea. |
| 20:13.59 | mdx0 | no problem |
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| 20:14.07 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: I use network-manager. |
| 20:14.31 | mdx0 | =D |
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| 20:18.37 | CombatVet | is there a reason why libfreerdp-dev is not being recognized when I ./configure? |
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| 20:18.52 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: "3B+ image reliably supports the wlan interface; 0W's not yet" |
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| 20:20.19 | mdx0 | oh, thought I have read that the wlan is supported but the bluetooth not yet? |
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| 20:21.34 | jhutchins_wk | mdx0: Debian pi docs are pretty light. |
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| 20:23.03 | graphicsv | jhutchins_wk: Thanks, it works so much better. Now that problem is just that even the slightest touch on the soft area when my cursor it's still over the touchpad area triggers a scroll. Tried synclient options but couldn't fix it so far |
| 20:24.04 | jhutchins_wk | graphicsv: Sometimes I'ts just the hardware. I had a notbook trackpad go nuts and the cursor wouldn't stay still. Ended up ditching the laptop. |
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| 20:33.31 | mms_ | I am windows iso created with windows tool on microsoft site. it is meant to be for dvd or usb. I do not have usb that large so am attempting pxe boot with that iso. |
| 20:34.04 | mms_ | is it possible ? my dhcp and tfptd are setup. now need to configure tftpd pxe config file. |
| 20:34.29 | mms_ | any help on config for windows 10 iso |
| 20:35.11 | mms_ | or is it I need to use usb with this kind of iso ? |
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| 20:36.44 | Jiaming | mms_: what language is your 1st language? just try that |
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| 20:38.47 | mms_ | Jiaming: ? |
| 20:39.00 | somiaj | mms_: you may want to ask in #windows, we won't know weither the image you have is pxe bootable for windows or not. |
| 20:39.03 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: In most cases, an iso image is something you write to a device and it creates a filesystem with some content. It does not sound like you're going down a successful path but what you're asking about is far more ##windows than #debian. |
| 20:39.28 | somiaj | oh yea, it is ##windows |
| 20:39.51 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: Netbooting over tftp is a pretty advanced project, and it doesn't sound like something you have set up. |
| 20:40.08 | mms_ | ok I was under impression I can just let autorun file get pulled and executed by pxe and rest should flow |
| 20:40.26 | alive | Just out of curiosity. Last time I did netbooting was back in 2005-2010. Has the situation improved at all? |
| 20:40.37 | mms_ | jhutchins_wk: as I said I have setup tftp and dhcp as per https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 20:41.16 | mms_ | but example uses the install os to be linux and its pxe files come with the install binary |
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| 20:41.45 | mms_ | ok then I think I will need to purchase usb |
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| 20:41.48 | mms_ | bye |
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| 20:44.06 | JerryS | Hi, all. Having a problem with a NAS device. I used to be able to mount it but after upgrades to Debian it fails (it has been a while since I tried), using cifs. I tried adding vers=1.0 to the options but it didn't help. Return code is -112. |
| 20:44.35 | JerryS | Device is an older iomega NAS. |
| 20:45.03 | JerryS | I've googled but found nothing that helps. Does anyone have an idea? |
| 20:47.12 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: I tried iomega nas cifs and got some interesting stuff, including how to upgrade the SMB interface on it. Probably wouldn't hurt to include the model. |
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| 20:51.35 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Good point, and thanks. It's an Iomega ix2-200. Haven't found any upgrades for the software for years. As I said - it's old :) |
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| 21:09.16 | twobitsprite | figured out the weird openssl issue I was having... the IoT device in question is running a really old version of nginx that only supports TLSv1, and Debian has "MinProtocol = TLSv1.2" in /etc/ssl/openssl/cnf ... |
| 21:09.50 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: Got it working now? |
| 21:10.01 | greycat | Took it out back and burned it? |
| 21:10.21 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: well, yeah, I can remove the MinProtocol line, but yeah, definitely need to figure out how to upgrade to newer stuff |
| 21:10.34 | greycat | https://www.globalsign.com/en/blog/disable-tls-10-and-all-ssl-versions/ |
| 21:10.34 | twobitsprite | greycat: it's our IoT device, lol :P |
| 21:10.54 | greycat | Yeah, I'm assuming it cannot be fixed, and must be destroyed instead. |
| 21:11.08 | twobitsprite | I wish that was an option |
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| 21:12.34 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-Network-Storage/Iomega-StorCenter-ix2-200-SMB2-support/td-p/4062850 |
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| 21:14.23 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: "iomega ix2-200 cifs" turns up mostly reviews, but there are articles about enabling newer cifs versions and setting up nfs. |
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| 21:15.12 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Thanks. I saw that, and about all it says is that it's eol and no software updates are available for it. Didn't find any articles about enabling SMB2 support. May have to try NFS. |
| 21:15.19 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: I haven't had to mess with cifs in a while thankfully, but I seem to remember that it would talk with older versions than what it defaulted to. |
| 21:16.06 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Yes, if you add vers=1.0 to the options it's supposed to use SMB1. But it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 21:18.46 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: Well, you could install a VM with whatever version of debian was known to work, pull the data off, and look into either replacing the software with Linux or moving the drives to a more modern chassis. |
| 21:19.00 | JerryS | jutchins_wk I also tried NFS but am getting an access denied error. Need to check it out - I don't have security enabled on the NFS (only my wife and I have access to it). |
| 21:19.14 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk I also tried NFS but am getting an access denied error. Need to check it out - I don't have security enabled on the NFS (only my wife and I have access to it). |
| 21:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: Does it have the ability to connect physically via usb or esata? |
| 21:19.59 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk I'm using this as a backup device. It's been solid for years and I really hate to spend the money on something else when this is working fine :) |
| 21:20.26 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: Welcome to the wonderfull world of obsolescence. |
| 21:21.04 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk I know. Been fighting it for over 50 years... |
| 21:22.16 | jhutchins_wk | JerryS: I have a printer I can't get any of my newer systems to connect to. Uses a 32bit wrapper. I still have one system I can print from, |
| 21:23.40 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Fortunately I don't have that problem yet, probably because I wear out printers too quickly :) |
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| 21:26.53 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Well, I did get it to work with NFS so think I'll just forget cifs now. |
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| 21:35.09 | jhutchins_wk | Well, you probably ought to be making plans for it's successor. |
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| 21:40.14 | JerryS | jhutchins_wk Yes, if I really have to. But I hate to waste the money when this one is working fine. It's just for backups for my wife's and my machines. |
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| 22:02.43 | A|an | I need clarification regarding unclear english...I'm in the midst of installing Buster over a previously partitioned SSD...using a LiveUSB w/LXQt, you can select the partition for Debian, then there is a selection for "Reuse /dev/sdb4 as home partition for Debian" |
| 22:03.18 | A|an | Does "reuse" mean use it as it OR does it mean wipe it and use it as /home |
| 22:03.20 | A|an | ? |
| 22:03.46 | A|an | (...use it as it is...) |
| 22:04.48 | A|an | In orther words, does "reuse" mean label it as home and leave it alone otherwise |
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| 22:07.58 | theo` | A|an: yes reuse means label it as home and leave it untouched. Being a bit paranoid on this I always double check that it's not set to be formatted. |
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| 22:08.49 | A|an | thx...so if one leaves the selection unchecked, home get's wiped? |
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| 22:09.25 | A|an | I'm always a bit paranoid, too...I don't reinstall often |
| 22:10.16 | petn-randall | A|an: There should be a details page for it, which tells you if it gets formatted or not. |
| 22:10.39 | A|an | okay...thx |
| 22:10.47 | petn-randall | A|an: But even if it doesn't get formatted I recommend doing backups *before* installing Debian, as there are always chances that something goes wrong. |
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| 22:11.23 | A|an | oh, i've rsync'd everything of any consequence. |
| 22:11.31 | theo` | until the home partition is not formatted I think we are on the safe side. You can always re-install the system and keep your data safe in /home |
| 22:12.01 | A|an | yes, I don't want it to reformat, was my concern |
| 22:12.15 | A|an | reformat home |
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| 22:12.28 | A|an | okay, thanks a lot |
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| 22:17.50 | Jiaming | petn-randall: what is 'the debian way' to do backups or is there one? |
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| 22:20.49 | Miles8of9 | brave penguins die like heroes! no need to backup! |
| 22:21.22 | petn-randall | Jiaming: There are many options to pick from, depending on a variety of questions. |
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| 22:22.22 | Jiaming | petn-randall: guess I installed timeshift, not that I particularly know how to use it |
| 22:23.45 | Jiaming | i mean i can create the backup of something, but in case of failure in debian not sure how to then fix a system with it |
| 22:23.50 | petn-randall | Jiaming: I'm using borgbackup, which makes complete system snapshots in ~10 minutes, but it comes without a GUI and is fairly arcane to use, so I had to write some script around it. |
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| 22:37.58 | zeroboz | hi there |
| 22:38.27 | zeroboz | is irc.gnome.org still working? I have a difficult time to connect to it. |