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| 00:01.38 | cybrNaut | i'm using "ebook-viewer" and the pages are screwed up.. the text runs off the window |
| 00:01.46 | cybrNaut | is there an epub viewer that works well? |
| 00:02.09 | cybrNaut | i see a heck of a lot of epub converters.. not many viewers |
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| 00:13.33 | cybrNaut | muPDF is a disaster too |
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| 00:16.43 | steven_saus | Foliate works pretty well as a standalone IME (I use Calibre for organizing): https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-foliate-ebook-reader-linux/ |
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| 00:29.41 | cybrNaut | steven_saus: thanks, i'll have a look. indeed I've started using calibre, which i think "ebook-viewer" is part of |
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| 00:30.32 | cybrNaut | ugh.. a dreaded flatpak |
| 00:30.42 | steven_saus | @cybrNaut Also there's epr which claims to be a CLI epub reader (python3) |
| 00:30.43 | steven_saus | https://github.com/wustho/epr |
| 00:31.12 | steven_saus | Haven't tested that one yet; it's in my "to try" pile. |
| 00:33.07 | cybrNaut | i'm tempted but looks like another bizarre installer |
| 00:33.28 | cybrNaut | i'm quite spoiled on apt |
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| 00:36.08 | steven_saus | Okay, just tested it with pip install git+https://github.com/wustho/epr.git |
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| 00:36.44 | steven_saus | (Which calls python3's pip), and it's quite nice for epub. Still haven't tried it with mobi/kf8/etc. |
| 00:37.56 | cybrNaut | i don't have the pip3 command. so perhaps i'll dig into that |
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| 00:41.44 | cybrNaut | both ePub viewers (calibre and muPDF) have the same problem.. they center on the binding of the book and both sides run off |
| 00:42.03 | cybrNaut | i wonder if this is just a fucked up artifact of the epub format |
| 00:43.05 | cybrNaut | ah, fixed it. |
| 00:43.12 | cybrNaut | I had to switch to "flow mode" |
| 00:43.15 | steven_saus | Huh. Is it all epub, or just that one? (I used to convert and publish ebooks, so I'm curious). Pip, BTW, is available at `sudo apt-get install python3-pip` |
| 00:43.25 | steven_saus | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Yeah. |
| 00:44.02 | steven_saus | Calibre has a decent viewer, though extremely heavy (comparatively). But there's nothing to beat it for organizing your library, IMHO. |
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| 00:44.41 | cybrNaut | well, regarding organization, I don't like that filenames have spaces, mixed case, and parenthesis |
| 00:45.06 | cybrNaut | it's taking the metadata literally, and not converting it to something suitable for filenames |
| 00:45.49 | cybrNaut | maybe that can be configured somewhere. Spaces should really be replaced with underscores in filenames |
| 00:47.45 | cybrNaut | so "Asterisk: The Definitive Guide" was named "Asterisk_ The Definitive Guide.pdf", for example |
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| 00:51.28 | steven_saus | Calibre -> Preferences -> Saving Books to disk. Has spaces to underscores, path to lowercase. Doesn't fix everything, but definitely helps. |
| 00:51.45 | steven_saus | (Not pushing you that way, just addressing your concern) |
| 00:52.07 | swift110 | oh wow |
| 00:52.16 | swift110 | calibre is nice |
| 00:52.44 | steven_saus | That said, I kind of put up with the spaces and mixed case for the most part anymore; I'm just used to it. |
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| 00:59.10 | cybrNaut | thanks for the tip! |
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| 21:02.59 | b1ack0p | it detects ipw2200 |
| 21:03.28 | b1ack0p | firmware: direct-loading firmware ipw2200-bss.fw |
| 21:04.02 | b1ack0p | detected geography zzr 14 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels |
| 21:04.54 | b1ack0p | intel_rng: FWH not detected |
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| 21:14.37 | b1ack0p | interestingly it is installing base system |
| 21:14.53 | b1ack0p | i configured the network manually and it didnt ask me any ssid password |
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| 21:24.53 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: Yeah, it can install a minimal system that you should be able to improve on once you get your wifi working. |
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| 21:25.39 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: Not sure what you mean by "manually", obviously the lack of password would cause auth to fail. |
| 21:26.39 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: Do you know what the chipset is? Preferably the eight-character pciid from lspci -nn |
| 21:27.28 | b1ack0p | it failed |
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| 21:27.53 | b1ack0p | it came to package mirror selection |
| 21:28.02 | b1ack0p | but it doesnt accept any mirror i choose |
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| 21:28.42 | jhutchins_wk | Which would be expected without a successful wifi password. |
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| 21:36.13 | b1ack0p | it is asking network ip address |
| 21:36.23 | b1ack0p | is it routers admin access ip? |
| 21:36.28 | b1ack0p | 192.168.. ? |
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| 21:37.00 | jhutchins_wk | I don't know what "it" is, or what tool you're using. I would expect most wifi to use dhcp. |
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| 21:47.14 | H2Q | hello, I cannot fix broken packages that occured after trying to install mariadb-server; https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e3729563/ |
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| 21:47.36 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: Did you by any chance read the install guide? |
| 21:47.38 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 21:47.38 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
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| 21:50.02 | b1ack0p | not much |
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| 21:52.34 | H2Q | can someone help please? |
| 21:53.15 | H2Q | I tried all sorts of fixing commands. what else can I do? |
| 21:53.20 | ksk | ,v mariadb-client-core-10.3 |
| 21:53.21 | judd | Package: mariadb-client-core-10.3 on amd64 -- buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2 |
| 21:53.34 | H2Q | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/83c4eb12/ |
| 21:53.47 | ksk | H2Q: you need to uninstall mysql first, it seems?! |
| 21:54.18 | H2Q | ksk, I tried that, too, among others, but possibly couldnt do it the right way |
| 21:54.20 | ksk | the eff is that second paste? |
| 21:54.29 | b1ack0p | nvm i will install tomorrow wired |
| 21:54.41 | H2Q | ksk, the second paste contains the commands I tried |
| 21:54.57 | H2Q | I tried to purge mysql, too but it didnt work |
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| 21:55.12 | ksk | "did not work" is not a technical statement. |
| 21:55.16 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: Meanwhile the guide would be good reading. |
| 21:55.17 | H2Q | I could only remove only /etc/mysql |
| 21:55.20 | ksk | !doesntwork |
| 21:55.31 | H2Q | it gave the same error |
| 21:55.37 | ksk | you should focus on one problem at the time, too.. |
| 21:55.40 | H2Q | that appeared at the end of the first paste |
| 21:55.42 | jhutchins_wk | b1ack0p: I don't do that many installs these days; what I do at work tends to be VM clones. |
| 21:55.56 | H2Q | ksk, I tried to purge mysql to solve the one problem I have |
| 21:56.28 | H2Q | so? |
| 21:56.55 | ksk | and what is the error for that? |
| 21:57.44 | jhutchins_wk | H2Q: Without the output the command history is pretty useless. |
| 21:57.52 | ksk | ++ |
| 21:58.13 | b1ack0p | jhutchins_wk: i see |
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| 21:58.22 | jhutchins_wk | H2Q: If you manually removed parts of it you can break apt. |
| 21:58.32 | b1ack0p | cable installation will be better |
| 21:58.33 | H2Q | is this an applicable solution that the guy here writes he's solved the same problem; https://paste.debian.net/1127042/ |
| 21:58.35 | H2Q | ? |
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| 21:59.06 | jhutchins_wk | H2Q: We don't know, because we don't know what the output of those commands was. |
| 22:00.22 | H2Q | from experience what happens here is that I make pastes of all outputs as asked for, and after I paste them, I dont hear from anyone |
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| 22:00.30 | H2Q | I will paste them |
| 22:00.36 | ksk | H2Q: how about removing myqsl* - and pasting the commands and the output |
| 22:00.57 | ksk | I dont want to go through 30 commands you entered, sorry. |
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| 22:01.32 | greycat | A reduction in vagueness would *always* be welcome. "I tried to remove mysql to solve a problem" -- what problem? How did you try to "remove mysql"? Etc. |
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| 22:02.10 | H2Q | above two pastes contain all answers if you look |
| 22:02.18 | greycat | One of your earlier vague statements made it sound like you manually removed the /etc/mysql/ directory before attempting to purge the packages. I could easily imagine this breaking the prerm scripts and so on. |
| 22:02.35 | H2Q | no, first I attempted the purge |
| 22:02.55 | H2Q | I tried to follow the solution in the stackexchange link that I posted |
| 22:03.08 | H2Q | but no 'purge' command worked |
| 22:03.35 | H2Q | https://paste.debian.net/1127043/ |
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| 22:04.54 | H2Q | these are the commands that the said post contains; https://paste.debian.net/1127045/ I tried them from the first one, and none worked |
| 22:05.18 | greycat | I am *not* going to try to debug some random stackoverflow post in addition to trying to debug your actual problem. |
| 22:05.46 | ksk | ack. |
| 22:05.47 | H2Q | so basically I followed mariadb guide to install mariadb-server as can be seen in the first commands that I pasted in my first link |
| 22:05.51 | ksk | H2Q: did you perform "apt --fix-broken install"? |
| 22:06.03 | greycat | from https://paste.debian.net/plain/1127043/ it looks like you've already got some mariadb packages installed, and this confused "apt --purge remove 'mysql*'" to the point of uselessness. It suggests that you try apt-get -f install. Have you tried that? |
| 22:06.10 | ksk | you dont need to follow any guide to do that. you run "apt install maria-package-name" |
| 22:06.35 | H2Q | ksk, you wanted the outputs but your question relates to the commands, which I posted above |
| 22:06.40 | H2Q | yes I did |
| 22:06.57 | ksk | so, do that again, and paste that output.. ( of -f install) |
| 22:07.08 | H2Q | greycat, yes, several times |
| 22:07.10 | H2Q | none worked |
| 22:07.21 | H2Q | every time with the same output as in the first paste |
| 22:07.27 | H2Q | I mean the same error |
| 22:07.41 | Miles8of9 | why there is no backports in my sources.list? i only have debian and debian-security |
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| 22:07.55 | greycat | buster-backports is an optional repository, not a default thing |
| 22:08.13 | greycat | the packages there are provided "as is", no security updates |
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| 22:09.13 | H2Q | ksk https://paste.debian.net/1127046/ |
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| 22:09.48 | greycat | ,v mysql-client-core-5.5 |
| 22:09.49 | judd | No package named 'mysql-client-core-5.5' was found in amd64. |
| 22:09.59 | greycat | were you using mysql packages from outside of Debian? |
| 22:10.08 | H2Q | no |
| 22:10.30 | H2Q | I even didnt have anything to do with mysql |
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| 22:11.05 | greycat | ,v mariadb-client-10.3 |
| 22:11.06 | judd | Package: mariadb-client-10.3 on amd64 -- buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2 |
| 22:11.32 | greycat | I'm very confused by the pathname /var/cache/apt/archives/mariadb-client-10.3_1%3a10.3.21+maria~buster_amd64.deb in your paste |
| 22:12.37 | greycat | If I do apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install mariadb-client-core-10.3 the resulting uris do not have the string ~buster in them. |
| 22:13.52 | ksk | a forum post (from 2019) suggests a package containing "~stretch" is a third party package :( |
| 22:14.01 | greycat | That's my thought as well. |
| 22:14.04 | H2Q | as I said, I followed the debian 10 mariadb-server install guide of mariadb. you can see the apt-add-repository command in my above paste with commands. I presume 10.3 comes from there? |
| 22:14.14 | greycat | You should not be following a "guide". |
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| 22:14.41 | greycat | And apt-add-repository ?!? |
| 22:15.01 | greycat | You *definitely* have third-party packages. It's like you went out of your way to do it with third-party crapware. |
| 22:15.21 | H2Q | dont overdo it |
| 22:15.40 | H2Q | it is a reliable package and how could I know that? |
| 22:15.54 | greycat | I would suggest that you get a list of the installed maria and mysql packages, purge them all one by one, using whatever --force options or editing whatever prerm scripts are needed, UNDOING all the damage you did, and then starting over. |
| 22:15.55 | H2Q | anyway, I am precisely here for that; to reverse it |
| 22:16.12 | greycat | Good luck. |
| 22:16.55 | ksk | H2Q: but we can only support debian stuff - no third party packages. tbh, I would reinstall the box, if I were you.. |
| 22:17.12 | H2Q | like here as I posted; https://paste.debian.net/1127045/ |
| 22:17.13 | H2Q | ? |
| 22:17.32 | H2Q | ksk, yeah. I was wondering when I'd hear that |
| 22:17.41 | ksk | are you using ubuntu? :o |
| 22:17.44 | H2Q | no |
| 22:18.02 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 22:18.02 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 22:18.45 | ksk | there might be a way to repair the package system, but its totally non-trivial. I can only repeat myself: reinstall. |
| 22:18.58 | H2Q | I said I am not using ubuntu? |
| 22:19.10 | H2Q | perhaps you can try to help instead of making own assertions? |
| 22:19.36 | mtn | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 22:20.20 | H2Q | yeah |
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| 22:21.12 | H2Q | it is not as if I installed some random joe's github repo. it is mariadb and I certainly think there must be a way to remove this |
| 22:21.36 | H2Q | it is easy to post bot messages and known links. this is not help |
| 22:21.53 | mtn | snort |
| 22:21.56 | H2Q | yeah |
| 22:21.57 | H2Q | snort |
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| 22:23.52 | H2Q | calling mariadb crapware and framing it like a wildly faraway package that interferes with debian in horrible ways |
| 22:24.03 | H2Q | hwo about some real help? |
| 22:24.47 | mtn | reinstalling is a great bit of advice |
| 22:24.50 | H2Q | yeah |
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| 22:27.48 | H2Q | I am waiting for someone who is willing to tell me how I can remove / repair / sort out things |
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| 22:38.35 | H2Q | I cant remember how many times I heard these template replies and then was able to fix the problem on my wown |
| 22:38.37 | H2Q | own |
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| 22:41.06 | grady | how i can put the "xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --scale 1.5x1.5" to the xorg.conf? |
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| 22:46.40 | ksk | grady: you dont as far as I know, you put it in your desktops "autostart" file - differs from DE to DE |
| 22:47.10 | grady | i mean just these scaling options |
| 22:47.25 | ksk | ~/.fluxbox/startup for example for fluxbox ;) |
| 22:47.44 | ksk | I dont think you ever touch xorg.conf nowadayas (though I am new do linux desktops..) |
| 22:48.00 | ksk | s/do/to/ |
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| 22:50.21 | somiaj | many modern DE's all support f.d.o standards, so a .desktop file in the autostart file will be sufficent for most modern desktops (window manages are another story) |
| 22:50.33 | edlou | whatwhat was debian using before systemd? |
| 22:50.46 | edlou | im trying to find history on wiki |
| 22:51.32 | somiaj | but yea, for xrandr, I would add the info to the xorg.conf file, you just need to create a monintor section, the identifier is the RandR name, so "DVI-I-1" in this case. After that you should be able to do things like Option "Scale" "1.5x1.5" |
| 22:51.54 | somiaj | edlou: sysvinit -- and old standard |
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| 22:51.58 | somiaj | and = a |
| 22:51.59 | somiaj | an |
| 22:52.32 | edlou | thank you very much |
| 22:52.34 | somiaj | ksk: often times xorg.conf is only needed if the default xorg detects don't work, I put RandR info in my xorg.conf for my multiple monintors |
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| 22:55.01 | H2Q | besides, I followed mariadb "guide" (the "crapware", that is) multiple times for the same version for debian 10. nothing went wrong. clear evidence. |
| 22:55.17 | H2Q | you are not willing to investigate into a problem. that's your problem. |
| 22:55.49 | H2Q | you are here to show how better you know everything |
| 22:56.01 | somiaj | There is nothing wrong with using thrid party software, provided the third party makes packages for the debian version you are using |
| 22:56.07 | grady | i have that monitor on there already, so i dont want to make new section for this |
| 22:56.09 | H2Q | yes they do |
| 22:56.10 | somiaj | (looks like they are, since they have a buster packages). |
| 22:56.25 | somiaj | grady: then just add some more Options to the monintor section for your monintor |
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| 22:56.45 | somiaj | H2Q: the issue is we don't and cannot support what third party packages do, so if you have issues with them, contact the package matainers. |
| 22:56.46 | grady | but i try with adding these options |
| 22:57.18 | H2Q | and you come here bashing my following of mariadb guide, mariadb itself without showing any sign -forget about friendliness- of helpfulness |
| 22:57.19 | somiaj | H2Q: in general we just don't recommend using third party software when the software is already in debian, and mariadb is already in buster, and that package will probably work better with buster than third-party. |
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| 22:58.00 | H2Q | somiaj, I am here to know how I can fix the system, remove the packages |
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| 22:58.08 | H2Q | I am not asking for doing anything with mariadb |
| 22:58.22 | somiaj | we don't support them, if 'apt remove packagename' doesn't work due to errors, you have to manually get involved, and fix the errors. |
| 22:58.30 | ksk | somiaj: okay, good to know, thanks. |
| 22:58.51 | somiaj | there is no easy way to do this, read the error, then figure out what needs to be done. |
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| 22:59.08 | grady | well, that dosnt work |
| 22:59.22 | H2Q | I read it, whatever fix command I enter I get the same errors 'unmet dependencies'..I cant remove. I cant repair |
| 22:59.27 | somiaj | ksk: I like how you only need snippets to, yo udon't need a whole config file, but only the part you want to change. Makes life easier, so running the old tools like xorg-config or whatever is what I try to avoid having people do. Only change what the defaults don't get right. |
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| 23:00.25 | somiaj | H2Q: this unmet dependencies is hard if you can't meet the dependency, You can try to --force things, but this can only make a bigger mess, hence if this is a fresh install/vm, a reinstall is sometimes the cleanest/fastest. |
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| 23:00.52 | edlou | any of you fellows have a cluster of "cheat sheets" that you might be able to message me directly? im just trying to gather more information from what people think is important to learn more/study |
| 23:01.04 | somiaj | !debian handbook |
| 23:01.05 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 23:01.05 | edlou | i am a novice linux user, just been reading wikis and searching engines for help when i break things |
| 23:01.23 | H2Q | somiaj, the problem is, it isn't. and I dont see why this should be a 'no-solution' case |
| 23:01.26 | somiaj | edlou: something like the handbook is useful, even though it hasn't been updated since jessie (maybe stretch), it is still mostly correct. |
| 23:01.29 | H2Q | other than reinstall |
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| 23:02.06 | somiaj | H2Q: It might be fixable, #debian just dosn't support it because it is due to third party packages. |
| 23:02.20 | H2Q | somiaj irc is for asking for/getting practical help. outside of irc I know what resources for debian are available. but I need to solve this now |
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| 23:02.24 | somiaj | H2Q: one will have to go down the rabbit hole, figure out what dependencies are unmet, and try to fix that. |
| 23:03.31 | H2Q | the output already shows what dependencies are unmet. and I am asking how I can 'try to fix that' |
| 23:03.45 | H2Q | the methods I know, the commands I know give the same error |
| 23:04.56 | somiaj | You have mixed packages built for ubuntu on debian, sometimes this just breaks things in ways that it is best to reinstall. |
| 23:05.16 | H2Q | where did you see it? I never installed something that was meant for ubuntu |
| 23:05.53 | somiaj | We can really only give you blanket advise. 1) Reinstall, 2) Track down each and every package that has unmet dependencies and manually deal with it (either force remove it, or figure out what the dependency is and try to install it, and rense/repeate) |
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| 23:06.08 | ksk | he did installed third party mysql packages though, and now everything is borken. dont bother ;) |
| 23:06.15 | somiaj | I see you have packages like mysql-client-5.7_5.7.27-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_amd64.deb and libmysqlclient18_1%3a10.1.41+maria-1~bionic_amd64.deb, those are made for ubuntu. |
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| 23:06.48 | H2Q | ksk you may not bother. actually I wish you dont |
| 23:07.03 | somiaj | again someone really verse in debian might be able to fix it (we won't and don't support third party for this reason -- among many). But often times a clean install is the best fix to ensure no artifacts are floating around. |
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| 23:07.50 | somiaj | though most people who are really good at debian, know not to end up in a mess like this in the first place. |
| 23:08.09 | H2Q | blaming the asker is not help |
| 23:08.58 | H2Q | template replies |
| 23:09.00 | H2Q | still |
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| 23:09.55 | H2Q | someone 'versed in debian', well-said |
| 23:10.07 | H2Q | the rest is waste of time |
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| 23:10.45 | somiaj | we are not blaming you, but trying to help educate you on how to properly manage a debian machine. You got yourself in a bind, it sucks, a reinstall is by far the quickest and easiest fix. |
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| 23:11.38 | somiaj | the other fix you don't really have much support from #debian, but it as said requires you manually going through and fixing all the umet depends errors with dpkg and apt, and in either case could still leave artifacts on your system even if you did fix it. |
| 23:11.47 | somiaj | so our advise is reinstall |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | somiaj: already gone .. |
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| 23:19.46 | somiaj | ahh they snuck out, probably best |
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| 23:33.55 | H2Q | I solved it |
| 23:34.18 | H2Q | all by steps that every single one I talked to above knows |
| 23:34.27 | H2Q | all using comands that I posted |
| 23:34.33 | H2Q | 'reinstall it' |
| 23:34.34 | H2Q | yeah |
| 23:34.37 | H2Q | and you help |
| 23:34.37 | H2Q | sure |
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| 23:35.22 | abrotman | Well, guess they showed us ... |
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| 23:40.09 | mirko | why, when upgrading packages via apt/dpkg, some packages show me ncurses and some just console dialogs. those dialogs, e.g. when upstream config files changed, i have made changes to those locally and i'm being asked about what to do? |
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| 23:58.04 | ksk | mirko: interesting question - no Idea ;) |
| 23:58.31 | ksk | maybe ncurses is like "by package" and the other thing is coming from apt? just guessing here.. |