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| 00:46.30 | skye0 | i have a question which might not have an obvious answer - what do you think made MX Linux so popular recently? |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | ask them? |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | or ##linux perhaps |
| 00:47.40 | skye0 | ok, thanks |
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| 01:40.13 | ClickTek | Any ParrotOS users here? |
| 01:40.23 | ksk | !based on debian |
| 01:40.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:40.48 | ksk | !parrot |
| 01:40.48 | dpkg | Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org. |
| 01:41.13 | ClickTek | I wasn't looking for support. But thanks for your being such a good lil soldier. |
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| 01:41.50 | ksk | !next |
| 01:41.50 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:42.39 | ksk | ClickTek: If it was more about talking, try #debian-offtopic |
| 01:43.18 | ClickTek | @ksk gotcha, thanks |
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| 01:53.24 | meichthys | Would someone lend a helping hand? My proxmox server is halting on boot. |
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| 01:54.52 | meichthys | *failed: 1 |
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| 01:55.51 | meichthys | In the past I think I was able to get things going again by editing the grub boot file but I canât seem to get to a console |
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| 02:02.54 | meichthys | âcanât process LV pie/data: thin-pool target support missing from kernelâ |
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| 02:37.30 | meichthys | Bump |
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| 02:49.36 | sponix | rtorrent is crashing one me, taking a big dump. recently went from the 5.3 backports kernel to the 5.4 one -- not sure this is the issue though |
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| 02:54.01 | sponix | this is what rtorrent dumped to my terminal -- please assist if possible https://pastebin.com/W6rn2xPm |
| 02:54.07 | sponix | !ssb |
| 02:54.07 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:39.32 | sarthe | so urm... NetManager loads on boot, but does not actually connect properly until I login to X11. I need it to setup the 802.11 networking regardless if I login or not |
| 03:40.05 | sarthe | I have 'auto eth1' in /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 03:42.47 | sarthe | ..and yes, eth1 is not some wierd alias, it does mean the actual 802.11 device |
| 03:43.43 | sarthe | as proven by /sbin/route -n when i log in |
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| 03:44.18 | dvs | Network Manager? |
| 03:44.42 | sarthe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.21 | dvs | Yeah, I'd comment out any reference to eth1 in the interfaces file. I think that stops NetworkManager from using it. |
| 03:46.14 | sarthe | it definately doesnt... as explained above, NetworkManager is the only thing that figures out how to connect the 802.11 device to the internet |
| 03:47.10 | sarthe | I have not ever liked that thing, but if Debian cant figure it out itself, it's all I'm left with. I would rather fix this |
| 03:47.39 | dvs | I'd rather configure everything manually in the interfaces file myself. |
| 03:47.56 | sarthe | manual is NOT AN OPTION. this is a laptop |
| 03:48.24 | sarthe | ...that moves and has to reconnect to different networks |
| 03:48.42 | dvs | That's what wpa-roam is for. |
| 03:49.31 | sarthe | sounds like another discusting version of NetworkManager... |
| 03:49.32 | sarthe | surge@animal:/opt/b/sam-backup$ apt-cache search wpa-roam |
| 03:49.32 | sarthe | surge@animal:/opt/b/sam-backup$ |
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| 03:49.52 | sarthe | oh, oops wrong system... hang on... |
| 03:50.20 | dvs | it's a mode in wpasupplicant |
| 03:50.37 | sarthe | (actually that was from a very recent version anyway) |
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| 03:51.51 | sarthe | for what reason can the default Debian /etc/init.d/networking not figure out how to enable the interfaces properly? I'm pretty sure I've done it in the past, but it was a long time ago |
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| 04:04.56 | sarthe | surge@sam:~$ sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant |
| 04:04.56 | sarthe | Reading package lists... Done |
| 04:04.56 | sarthe | Building dependency tree |
| 04:04.56 | sarthe | Reading state information... Done |
| 04:04.56 | sarthe | wpasupplicant is already the newest version. |
| 04:04.57 | sarthe | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 04:05.29 | sarthe | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:05.34 | sarthe | ... I guess |
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| 04:09.56 | sarthe | hmm. thinking properly about it.. the local 802.11 network needs a password/"key". Where do I put that for non-X11 boots? |
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| 04:10.55 | sarthe | Perhaps that is the problem, because I'm pretty sure I typed the password in when I logged in to X11 once |
| 04:11.28 | dvs | That's the user (linux) password, not the WiFi password. |
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| 04:13.37 | sarthe | nope, im not saying what they were (obviously), but they were different - NetworkManager asked we for a password once i actively selected the radio network & tried to logged in |
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| 04:14.31 | sarthe | for this LOCAL network ONLY, i want it to have the wpa key/password and do it automatically |
| 04:15.18 | sarthe | ...without logging in |
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| 04:16.33 | sarthe | (mainly because laptop keyboard suck, and i'd rather use my workstation one :P) |
| 04:17.47 | sarthe | ...ugh alot of spelling mistakes, sorry |
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| 05:21.12 | celphi | Hi room. Someone help with my problem? |
| 05:21.34 | surge | the problem being...? |
| 05:21.51 | surge | we cant read minds |
| 05:22.07 | toruvinn | the problem is nobody can read my mind ;-( |
| 05:22.20 | JackFrost | Sounds like a solution. |
| 05:22.42 | surge | now there are 2 problems... |
| 05:22.59 | celphi | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XQAUNTGw/IMG_0717.JPG |
| 05:23.14 | celphi | Sorry had to get image |
| 05:23.30 | annadane | which debian release? |
| 05:23.39 | celphi | Kali Linux |
| 05:23.42 | annadane | !kali |
| 05:23.42 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 05:23.48 | annadane | kali is NOT debian, don't use it as a desktop |
| 05:24.03 | annadane | https://unix.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5360/why-is-kali-linux-so-hard-to-set-up-why-wont-people-help-me |
| 05:24.25 | celphi | Geez ok can someone actually look at problem |
| 05:24.27 | surge | celphi, you ran out of disk space :P |
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| 05:24.39 | toruvinn | celphi, that said, "no space left on device" should give you a hint |
| 05:24.46 | surge | "No space left on device" |
| 05:24.49 | annadane | oh yeah, also that |
| 05:24.54 | celphi | Yes I see that in error |
| 05:24.54 | annadane | still... please don't run kali |
| 05:25.02 | celphi | But I canât just copy it over |
| 05:25.14 | celphi | My job requires me to use |
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| 05:25.48 | surge | there is no alternative. stop whining and get a bigger disk, or move it to a different partition |
| 05:25.52 | z8z | gnome alternative to vinagre which is super horrible? |
| 05:26.02 | toruvinn | celphi, if you need so much software perhaps it's time to either a) have a larger / or b) have a separate /usr |
| 05:26.07 | surge | you cant fabricate disk space out of thin air |
| 05:26.19 | celphi | Sdb6 has the space |
| 05:26.39 | celphi | So how do I move it over and not break stuff |
| 05:26.47 | celphi | Or not possible |
| 05:26.51 | surge | did you use dpkg or apt-get? |
| 05:26.56 | celphi | Apt get |
| 05:26.57 | apt | methinks get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
| 05:27.00 | surge | that photo misses it |
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| 05:27.32 | celphi | Apt get uninstall? |
| 05:27.32 | apt | ACTION fetches uninstall |
| 05:27.41 | toruvinn | celphi, potentially possible; that's a lot of work. A LOT. including, like, moving your data somewhere else first because you're likely to lose it. |
| 05:28.08 | celphi | So redo installation and do one partion |
| 05:28.09 | surge | hmm... for one thing its probably /usr that is overloaded, so even if you have 300trillion megablasts on another partition, standard apt will still put it in /usr |
| 05:28.15 | toruvinn | for instance, gparted iirc allows you to resize partitions "in place", without losing data ("no guarantees" or something). |
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| 05:28.27 | toruvinn | that's the easy way. the harder way would be to do it on your own... |
| 05:28.32 | celphi | K |
| 05:28.40 | celphi | Thanks for the advice!!! |
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| 05:29.13 | toruvinn | the good thing is you have your / as an early-ish partition, so if you move other partitions after it further (by shrinking some of them or something), then you can just resize / and use resize2fs (if that's even ext2/3/4) |
| 05:29.30 | surge | you dont know that |
| 05:29.40 | toruvinn | surge, i dont, but im assuming his ordering is sane |
| 05:29.47 | toruvinn | surge, likely created by the installer... |
| 05:29.52 | toruvinn | so it should be sane ;-) |
| 05:29.53 | celphi | Yup |
| 05:29.53 | surge | oh wait... you do.. i didnt notice the df -h after. sorry |
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| 05:30.15 | toruvinn | surge, well the sdxN doesnt mean crap, you can have partition 2 start before partition 1 anyway. |
| 05:30.18 | surge | 'df'... whatever |
| 05:30.21 | celphi | Anyhow going to simply redo install |
| 05:30.28 | celphi | Thnx ppl |
| 05:30.30 | toruvinn | surge, yeah, first thing i spotted was lack of -h ;-D |
| 05:30.40 | toruvinn | i think it even stands for "Human readable". use -h! |
| 05:30.45 | surge | celphi, give more space to / or /usr this time |
| 05:30.49 | toruvinn | celphi, that'll make it faster if you dont have any data there yet |
| 05:31.00 | toruvinn | i kinda like having /usr and / on one partition. makes some boot scripts easier. |
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| 05:31.11 | toruvinn | the whole "don't assume /usr is mounted yet" is meh. |
| 05:32.01 | surge | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:32.02 | surge | /dev/hda1 8.7G 5.4G 2.9G 66% / |
| 05:32.02 | surge | tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 05:32.02 | surge | udev 10M 704K 9.4M 7% /dev |
| 05:32.02 | surge | tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm |
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| 05:32.49 | toruvinn | welp |
| 05:32.50 | toruvinn | that went well |
| 05:32.58 | surge | ah well. dunno how much you got of that, but its from a reaaaaly old version. recent ones need at least 2x as much |
| 05:33.08 | toruvinn | i like your "/dev/hda1" |
| 05:33.13 | toruvinn | it is REALLY Old version ;-) |
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| 05:33.18 | surge | :) yup |
| 05:33.25 | surge | "lenny" |
| 05:33.32 | toruvinn | and a pata drive ;-) |
| 05:33.44 | toruvinn | some of those were immortal |
| 05:34.15 | toruvinn | is a huge fan of re-using old hardware |
| 05:34.17 | toruvinn | i hate waste. |
| 05:34.29 | toruvinn | the only problem is that it often consumes a lot of electricity for the same amount of work :-( |
| 05:34.39 | toruvinn | otherwise who'd need RPi anyway |
| 05:35.12 | surge | IBM disks both shitty ata and scsi ones are pretty much immortal |
| 05:35.29 | toruvinn | they are. |
| 05:35.32 | surge | sadly, they are made by fujutsu now... and quality is debatable |
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| 05:35.43 | jm_ | except if they were from the "right" series :) |
| 05:35.44 | toruvinn | they can also hurt people if they fall from more than 10cm height |
| 05:35.56 | toruvinn | particularly the scsis |
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| 05:36.14 | surge | ? |
| 05:36.50 | surge | my fujitsu scsi drives in a SUNpack couldnt hurt more than a rat... maybe... |
| 05:37.04 | toruvinn | the old drives i used to play with weighted... a lot. |
| 05:37.16 | surge | i do have some older 1/2 height ones you could kill people with, but ... |
| 05:37.54 | surge | theyre only about 30Gb |
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| 05:45.03 | surge | oh shit! i just looked at a disk, its hitachi, not fujitsu.... |
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| 05:45.03 | surge | IIRC IBM sold the disk manufacturing to fujitsu, who then offloaded it to hitachi |
| 05:45.03 | surge | during which all that IBM -> lenovo crap happened :/ |
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| 05:47.21 | epsilon | actually IBM -> Hitachi (HGST) -> WD (still producing as HGST) |
| 05:47.39 | surge | Western Digital? NO WAY? |
| 05:48.07 | surge | they make the even crappier disks than Seagate |
| 05:49.10 | toruvinn | yeah WD sucks |
| 05:49.19 | toruvinn | luckily HGST is still separate brand, kinda |
| 05:49.28 | toruvinn | i actually do buy hgsts |
| 05:49.43 | toruvinn | they tend to be slightly more expensive, but they dont die randomly like WDs |
| 05:49.47 | epsilon | eh? I use WD black and red since years, I'm happy |
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| 05:50.10 | toruvinn | epsilon, i had unreadable sectors appear and disappear (current pending sector) on wds all the time. |
| 05:50.18 | toruvinn | when they disappeared, no reallocations happened |
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| 05:50.26 | toruvinn | it just "started working" again |
| 05:50.32 | toruvinn | i stay away from WDs |
| 05:50.42 | toruvinn | that's not the case with one drive, either, i had this on multiple. |
| 05:51.35 | epsilon | don't care about pending sectore unless no grown defects / reallocation event |
| 05:52.03 | epsilon | If I start care about 1-2 pending on disks, I can't sleep anymore |
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| 05:53.56 | surge | unreadable sectors dissapearing means the firmware on the disk is backing up the sector and pretending it didnt happen. |
| 05:54.30 | surge | this is not a linux channel, but linux has software to read that information |
| 05:54.45 | surge | i suppose there are windos tools to do it too |
| 05:55.30 | oiaohm | toruvinn: there is quite a difference between WD different models in their controller boards. |
| 05:55.48 | surge | https://www.smartmontools.org/ |
| 05:56.38 | jm_ | smartmontools works on windows too |
| 05:56.45 | surge | ...disks have a reserved area for this that is normally hidden. |
| 05:58.06 | surge | so... if you buy a random disk from china and look at the errata'd sectors, you can see how fucked up the disk is |
| 05:58.08 | surge | :{ |
| 05:58.09 | toruvinn | surge, yes, that's why i mentioned reallocations. |
| 05:58.29 | toruvinn | surge, if pending sector disappears, however no reallocation happens according to smart data, i scratch my head. |
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| 05:59.03 | surge | odd...but the firmware... it doesnt HAVE to present what its doing to the O/S |
| 05:59.41 | toruvinn | well, it's kinda like saying "the meat vendor can hide the fact this meat is rotten from you" |
| 05:59.42 | epsilon | beside that, there are not many companies left producing... WD/HGST, Seagate, Toshiba, that's all |
| 05:59.53 | toruvinn | also it doesnt exactly go to the o/s, but that's what smart attribs are for. ;-) |
| 06:00.05 | toruvinn | epsilon, maxtor doesnt have their own? |
| 06:00.30 | epsilon | maxtor... wasnt that -> Seagate decates ago? |
| 06:00.46 | surge | heh. yeah, maybe |
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| 06:01.09 | toruvinn | i have no idea tbh, i know that i still see some maxtor drives around here... and i would've sworn some of them were above at least 1tb |
| 06:01.16 | surge | blimey, you bring back memories of equally crappy disks on i486s |
| 06:01.16 | epsilon | samsung produced some 2.5", but they are all SSD now |
| 06:01.18 | toruvinn | which suggests "relatively recent" uhm |
| 06:01.39 | toruvinn | which reminds me, flash prices are going down so much ssds are getting pretty darn cheap nowadays |
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| 06:02.14 | oiaohm | toruvinn: just out of question the WD you had trouble with what class where they. https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-hdd I normally stick to red or better. |
| 06:02.39 | oiaohm | The lower end models of WD don't have good vibration protections leading to some quite nasty issues. |
| 06:03.13 | toruvinn | oiaohm, hm they may have been greens. at least some of those. |
| 06:03.18 | toruvinn | so yeah, sounds reasonable. |
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| 06:08.26 | oiaohm | toruvinn: The WD HDD greens are no longer made. Because they turned out to be a lemon line. The varable speed shaft combind with no vibration control in board equals 100 percent screwed. |
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| 06:09.39 | toruvinn | oiaohm, pity, back in the day i kinda enjoyed that lower power consumption. in particular i had a ~30W server running on atom with those drives. |
| 06:10.23 | oiaohm | toruvinn: also note zero vibration control as in you were only meant to have 1 WD green drive per housing. |
| 06:10.48 | oiaohm | toruvinn: so you would have been running the drives well outside spec. |
| 06:10.57 | jm_ | both red and purple are 5400rpm so power consumption should be about the same |
| 06:11.56 | toruvinn | i think purples would be the ones i should've bought back then, except i think that was the time those didnt exist yet ;-) |
| 06:12.18 | oiaohm | jm_: red normally don't power down as agressively as greens but that also means reds don't generate their own vibration. |
| 06:12.41 | jm_ | oiaohm: ahh I always disabled head offload on greens, helped a lot with durability |
| 06:13.01 | oiaohm | red slightly higher power usage more frinedly when you have more drives in a enclosure because of that. |
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| 06:14.48 | toruvinn | yeah i disabled that too, the default timer of what, 8s was ridiculous |
| 06:14.55 | jm_ | indeed |
| 06:15.29 | oiaohm | toruvinn: the purple was around in the time of wd green HDD. At the start they were white label with black text words "survellance hard drive" on them from WD. |
| 06:15.48 | oiaohm | Party way between the green time frame WD went colour coding mad |
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| 06:16.32 | oiaohm | Mostly because people were by mistake putting white survellance drives in places white data centre drives should have been going or the review. |
| 06:16.41 | oiaohm | review/reverse |
| 06:16.51 | oiaohm | What was very much bad thing happened. |
| 06:19.39 | oiaohm | toruvinn: jm_ that rapid power down of greens was because they were really designed to be in a external drive caddy for system backup. And that you backup software would just run a hell load of data at time. |
| 06:19.47 | oiaohm | Not to be used as general drives. Lot of people attempted to use greens are general drives and they kind of screwed up. |
| 06:20.14 | jm_ | heh worked OK for me :) |
| 06:20.21 | oiaohm | Its like people attempt to use SMR drives as general drives today and wondering why they have mega hell as well. |
| 06:20.52 | oiaohm | jm_: had you rubber grommeted all your drives to cancel out as much vibration as possible. |
| 06:21.41 | jm_ | oiaohm: no, only my current case has that, but it has had HGST desktop drive only in it |
| 06:21.42 | oiaohm | There were ways and means to push greens fairly safely outside specs |
| 06:21.57 | oiaohm | But a lot of people did not do those steps and they either got lucky or bit badly. |
| 06:22.16 | oiaohm | I guess jm_ lucky? |
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| 06:23.23 | oiaohm | Put it this way wd greens were not as bad as the maxtors when they decided to use glue instead of solder and 90 percent of the chips on the controller board fell off. |
| 06:23.52 | oiaohm | Because we had a 45 C day. |
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| 06:25.26 | oiaohm | jm_: also remember you were changing the drives from their default settings. |
| 06:25.44 | jm_ | I was aware they were not a replacement for desktop drives, but I accepted the risk |
| 06:26.32 | oiaohm | I still remember the demo that sound could slow down harddrive performance. |
| 06:26.49 | oiaohm | with NAS class drives. |
| 06:26.58 | oiaohm | But with lower grades you got bad reads. |
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| 06:27.53 | oiaohm | Some ways it was good excuse to play some metallica on max volume in office. |
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| 06:49.08 | vlt | Hello. I have a line in /etc/crypttab and while booting the user is asked to enter a passphrase. Fine. But this line gets buried below distracting boot messages (even with "quiet" in /proc/cmdline), some of them written *after* the passphrase request. How can I make this better? |
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| 06:52.46 | themill | vlt: using a multiplexer like plymouth is recommended; it can be text-only or gui |
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| 06:53.10 | dk5225 | heyy |
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| 06:53.30 | themill | no. |
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| 07:01.51 | vlt | themill: Thank you, I'll have a look at plymouth. |
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| 07:03.29 | themill | btw see /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian |
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| 07:34.51 | samba35 | i have setup basic bridge with ovs-vsctl add br and ovs-vsctl add-port to my nic |
| 07:35.08 | samba35 | and i have guest on kvm ,now how do i assing ip address to guest from host |
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| 07:42.39 | jm_ | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM covers some networking setups, you can find more about it on the kvm page |
| 07:43.04 | samba35 | ok |
| 07:43.30 | samba35 | Thanks let me check |
| 07:44.32 | jm_ | I simply created a bridge device (similar to how it's described on that page) and my guest has a static IP configured |
| 07:45.25 | samba35 | i am using openvswitch |
| 07:46.29 | jm_ | yeah sorry, I only looked at that in a different context, have no real experience with it |
| 07:46.39 | samba35 | but i think its should be same |
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| 07:47.25 | samba35 | let me try to connect guest with static ip |
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| 07:51.54 | ksk | samba35: I suppose you either have some kind of dhcpd running on the host, or configure the guest manually. |
| 07:52.44 | samba35 | ok |
| 07:52.51 | jm_ | yeah with my bridged setup our normal company wide DHCP server handles it just fine |
| 07:53.33 | samba35 | ok |
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