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| 01:22.55 | Kitsune64 | Hi, I have a trouble with Debian Linux 10. It's about a trouble of colors on the desktop. Sometimes the desktop have like "16 colors" and the colors seem inverted.Someone can help to resolve it? |
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| 01:30.57 | JordiGH | Can't start mariadb, on journalctl -xe I see: |
| 01:31.04 | JordiGH | Jan 26 20:26:11 chloe audit[2219]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/etc/mysql/mariadb.conf.d/" pid=2219 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=126 ouid=0 |
| 01:31.18 | JordiGH | apparmor? |
| 01:31.23 | JordiGH | How do I fix this? |
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| 01:40.54 | JordiGH | maaaan, what's going on? |
| 01:41.21 | JordiGH | Did I mess up my install by trying to install mysql-server from a different source? |
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| 01:52.45 | toruvinn | JordiGH, well not much of an apparmor user myself, but since you apparently have it enabled, a) why did you enable it and b) why dont you configure it? |
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| 01:52.59 | JordiGH | I thought it was on by default. |
| 01:53.11 | JordiGH | It might have been snapd that enabled it. |
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| 01:54.44 | JordiGH | Let me just try rebooting, who knows. |
| 01:54.46 | JordiGH | brb |
| 01:55.09 | toruvinn | oh, buster enables aa by default? neat. |
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| 02:01.47 | JordiGH | Well, that changed nothing. |
| 02:02.08 | toruvinn | JordiGH, just cd /etc/apparmor |
| 02:02.18 | JordiGH | And then? |
| 02:02.37 | toruvinn | and then cd /etc/apparmor.d |
| 02:02.42 | toruvinn | ;-) |
| 02:02.43 | toruvinn | and ls |
| 02:02.52 | toruvinn | you probably have a file for mysqld binary |
| 02:02.56 | toruvinn | check what's inside |
| 02:03.21 | toruvinn | you could probably disable apparmor for mysql but yeah, it's probably better to actually fix it i guess |
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| 02:04.32 | toruvinn | i should learn apparmor more someday, i used to play with grsec a lot. was fun. |
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| 02:05.01 | toruvinn | JordiGH, worst case you can switch apparmor to complain mode, start maria up and watch your syslog - that'll tell you what you need to fix in your profiles |
| 02:05.21 | toruvinn | but i think it's possible to just load maria profile in complain mode, without touching everything else |
| 02:06.47 | JordiGH | This file is in there: https://salsa.debian.org/mariadb-team/mariadb-10.3/blob/master/debian/apparmor-profile |
| 02:07.01 | JordiGH | Soooooo, why is apparmor still complaining about mysqld? |
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| 02:10.10 | toruvinn | JordiGH, "in there"? run aa-status |
| 02:11.22 | JordiGH | Renaming `sudo mv usr.sbin.mysqld lol` seems to have gotten rid of the apparmor problem. |
| 02:11.34 | JordiGH | I guess my apparmor is in default disallow mode? |
| 02:11.41 | JordiGH | aa-status shows nothing about mysqld/mariadb |
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| 02:13.44 | scaredysquirrel | toruvinn: what is maria? a mysql server? |
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| 02:15.17 | toruvinn | scaredysquirrel, mariadb? |
| 02:15.56 | scaredysquirrel | toruvinn: i suppose |
| 02:16.14 | scaredysquirrel | you were telling JordiGH he said mariadb in some mariadb-team url |
| 02:16.26 | toruvinn | scaredysquirrel, mysql fork from when oracle bought mysql. mariadb has different license i believe and is ... more opensource |
| 02:17.03 | scaredysquirrel | how do I use dpkg to get the version of libsqlite that already installed |
| 02:17.20 | toruvinn | dpkg -l | grep sqlite |
| 02:17.20 | dpkg | ii | grep sqlite 2.7-12 toruvinn's private warez collection |
| 02:17.22 | toruvinn | ;-) |
| 02:17.34 | toruvinn | dpkg, lol |
| 02:17.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:17.53 | scaredysquirrel | ii libsqlite3-0:amd64 3.31.0+really3.30.1+fossil191229-1 amd64 SQLite 3 shared library |
| 02:17.56 | toruvinn | rude. |
| 02:18.07 | scaredysquirrel | I need to tell it to keep it version |
| 02:18.23 | scaredysquirrel | and I do need to record that line |
| 02:19.16 | toruvinn | eh you could put it on hold i guess? |
| 02:19.22 | toruvinn | im not sure if this is the best way |
| 02:19.35 | scaredysquirrel | i'm using debian bullseye and sid |
| 02:19.43 | scaredysquirrel | which are the current testing and unstable |
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| 02:20.11 | JordiGH | !lol |
| 02:20.11 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:20.14 | JordiGH | lol |
| 02:20.54 | scaredysquirrel | hmm does debian have sysvinit and runit? |
| 02:20.59 | scaredysquirrel | how about openrc? |
| 02:21.24 | JordiGH | This is weird, I wonder why having an empty apparmor file for mariadb made apparmor refuse to run it. |
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| 02:23.50 | scaredysquirrel | ok there was a tool to supervise init as pid 1 and restart it if it crashed |
| 02:24.52 | scaredysquirrel | not sure how you change init systems or if this is safe |
| 02:25.15 | scaredysquirrel | i want just linux-image-5.4.9 init=/bin/init for sysvinit |
| 02:28.09 | scaredysquirrel | so hrm it appears debian only want you to install one init system |
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| 02:29.29 | scaredysquirrel | so sysvinit-core then runit-sysv the package will install |
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| 02:31.54 | scaredysquirrel | instl |
| 02:32.24 | adikt | i just switched from windows/linux mint.. debian install is the most stable gaming os i've ever had |
| 02:32.25 | scaredysquirrel | %1 |
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| 02:32.41 | adikt | it's amazingggggg didn't expect it to work so great :D |
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| 02:33.00 | joepublic | gaming os? |
| 02:33.39 | adikt | it's not a gaming os but it just works :D |
| 02:33.53 | joepublic | I play games on it. Like, supertuxkart. |
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| 02:34.24 | joepublic | I know someone who plays "The Sims 4" on debian. |
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| 02:34.30 | adikt | i was having a problem with the updated kernal and nvidia drivers in mint.. someone told me i needed to update my hardware so i changed to debian for the older more stable |
| 02:34.43 | scaredysquirrel | know if sonic generations will work? |
| 02:34.44 | joepublic | nouoveau driver, or nvidia? |
| 02:34.51 | adikt | i've gotten my entire steam library to work basically |
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| 02:35.02 | adikt | only like 4 or 5 titles works on my mint |
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| 02:35.32 | adikt | and i couldn't ever play civ6 on windows because it would artifact |
| 02:35.34 | scaredysquirrel | how about grand theft auto? sonic mania plus? other games that i don't know about |
| 02:35.35 | jsync2 | Hello. I cloned a file system using partclone, though the system won't startup, not actually. I'm curious if I might just need to install GRUB in that fs. |
| 02:35.45 | scaredysquirrel | i want a 32 core processor |
| 02:35.54 | adikt | me too |
| 02:35.54 | scaredysquirrel | just don't have the money to buy it |
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| 02:36.13 | joepublic | wait until the 256 cores are common, and the 32 core ones will be cheap. |
| 02:36.30 | scaredysquirrel | so the 32 core processor costs about $1,500 dollars |
| 02:36.32 | adikt | i just got a 3rd job today... gonna pay rent next week then take over the world |
| 02:36.44 | adikt | you know how it goes |
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| 02:38.38 | scaredysquirrel | ok so toshiba mad a quantum algorithm |
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| 02:39.18 | scaredysquirrel | let me look it up again |
| 02:39.27 | scaredysquirrel | swapping grr |
| 02:40.16 | scaredysquirrel | ok so put linux itself on its own processor i would want that unless they used the quantum power of the processor |
| 02:40.37 | scaredysquirrel | it is true that they are thinking so basic they aren't using the quantum |
| 02:41.09 | scaredysquirrel | quantum is out of order i think |
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| 02:42.20 | guilherme | Hi |
| 02:43.18 | scaredysquirrel | quantum is a kind of way to make speculative code |
| 02:44.29 | scaredysquirrel | yes you guy are supposed to use Intel's Spectre to make speculative code |
| 02:45.10 | toruvinn | is that a bot? |
| 02:45.18 | scaredysquirrel | they tell you they are security vulnerabilities but they are there for your speculative code |
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| 02:45.45 | scaredysquirrel | just ask intel how to make speculative code using Spectre |
| 02:45.53 | scaredysquirrel | nobody asked |
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| 02:46.40 | scaredysquirrel | i'd like if you call them and now i don't know what to talk about save this new stuff |
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| 02:47.46 | scaredysquirrel | the quantum code method and math you could ask for |
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| 02:48.30 | toruvinn | jsync2, to boot grub, you actually need more than just the / (or /boot) filesystem. so yeah you'll have to install grub. the way i'd do it would be to boot from a pendrive or some livecd, mount your cloned rootfs and try to install grub there. |
| 02:49.20 | toruvinn | jsync2, by "there" i likely mean MBR of your disk. or gpt or whatever you have. |
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| 02:55.38 | scaredysquirrel | lol how do I disable kernel page-table isolation? |
| 02:55.44 | scaredysquirrel | it allows you use Meltdown |
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| 02:56.07 | toruvinn | there's a kernel parameter introduced iirc to disable those mitigations. |
| 02:56.16 | toruvinn | but only in relatively new kernels |
| 02:57.05 | scaredysquirrel | yes those have um kernel page-tale isolate i need disable it |
| 02:57.05 | toruvinn | you can just disable that in arch/x86/kernel/cpu/common.c |
| 02:57.15 | scaredysquirrel | lol ok |
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| 02:58.49 | scaredysquirrel | wow this seems simple |
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| 02:59.25 | scaredysquirrel | but then what other security patches are about out of order quantum etc.? is this really what computer software has? |
| 02:59.52 | scaredysquirrel | i see they said tls had um if it couldn't verify the correct certificate you could execute what you want |
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| 03:01.31 | scaredysquirrel | and well you have to get mr linux out for this stuff |
| 03:01.55 | scaredysquirrel | i'll ask for firefox and gnome terminal |
| 03:03.00 | petn-randall | scaredysquirrel: This isn't really on-topic in this channel, and better suited for ##chat or other channels. Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 03:03.35 | scaredysquirrel | well i wanted newest KDE |
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| 03:03.52 | petn-randall | jsync2: You'll need to chroot into the new filesystem and run `grub-install /dev/sdX` |
| 03:03.56 | petn-randall | !fixmbr |
| 03:03.56 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 03:04.13 | petn-randall | jsync2: Roughly like this ^^^ |
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| 03:05.32 | petn-randall | scaredysquirrel: Debian stable usually ships with a certain version of KDE, and will then provide bug- and security fixes for it during the lifecycle of the release. You won't get a newer version unless there's a newer release of Debian. |
| 03:06.22 | scaredysquirrel | ok but until that release i don't think unstable has a, um newer by slight KDE |
| 03:07.28 | petn-randall | scaredysquirrel: unstable isn't a release in the clasisic sense; it's just brand new software that developers upload to. As such pretty much all of it only gets minimal testing. |
| 03:08.04 | scaredysquirrel | aha so err how do I test the next release of debian until its here? |
| 03:08.21 | petn-randall | !sid |
| 03:08.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 03:08.22 | scaredysquirrel | that i have another 80GB does mean i can do it |
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| 03:08.30 | scaredysquirrel | alright i want sid |
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| 03:34.36 | jsync2 | Right. Got it. Thanks. For some reason, the cloned disk would mount & run upon restart, though needed the old drive in boot priority. I thought that was weird. Upon restart, I ran grub-update & then grub-install. Now the system boots. |
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| 03:39.58 | toruvinn | jsync2, it booted from old cause you had grub properly installed there. ;-) |
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| 03:42.01 | dvs | oh, so if the old drive is removed, it may not boot. |
| 03:44.01 | toruvinn | dvs, unless you install grub in the new drive. |
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| 03:44.54 | dvs | that's the question. There's one way to find out. |
| 03:47.16 | jsync2 | dvs, Yeah. That was my first system clone. I thought that the grub would be cloned as well. *Shrugs* |
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| 04:07.00 | jsync2 | I'm installing 64 bit Buster on my server. It's got dual Xeon processors. Of what I have gathered, I should use the amd64 netinstall image. I want a basic CLI install, without graphic interfaces. I'm curious what options I am supposed to choose for that. |
| 04:08.10 | jsync2 | Ofcourse, I want SSH Server, though I'm curious if I need Gnome for a CLI usage. |
| 04:08.15 | dvs | *NOT* "Desktop Environment" |
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| 04:10.10 | amirman | hi there, anyone have any experience with streamlining xorg on buster? |
| 04:10.41 | teksimian | no you dont need gnome for cli |
| 04:11.14 | annadane | amirman, your question sounds a bit vague |
| 04:13.17 | amirman | i guess it is. i've noticed xorg takes a long time starting up once i log in and i feel it's taking too much time autodetecting things that maybe i could speed up by setting them in a config? i'm not sure. i'm curious to see if anyone would want to take a look at my xorg.0.log and see if they notice why xorg is taking so much time just to start up openbox |
| 04:14.00 | annadane | sure, you can always paste it, paste.debian.org |
| 04:14.19 | annadane | sigh |
| 04:14.23 | jsync2 | dvs, still Gnome then. Alright, thanks. |
| 04:14.24 | annadane | paste.debian.net *** |
| 04:14.44 | annadane | !lart annadane |
| 04:14.44 | dpkg | blames annadane for all the evil in the world |
| 04:14.49 | annadane | does too |
| 04:15.17 | amirman | i already have pastebin open. is that okay? |
| 04:15.27 | annadane | !pastebin.com |
| 04:15.27 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo) |
| 04:15.30 | annadane | but sure, if you really want |
| 04:15.57 | amirman | no, that's a good reason not to use it. i'll use the one you posted |
| 04:17.05 | dvs | jsync2, "still Gnome then"? Deselecting "Desktop Environment" won't install any GUI, which is what you want. |
| 04:17.33 | amirman | annadane. it's having dns issues |
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| 04:18.58 | annadane | then use pastebin.com/raw |
| 04:19.40 | amirman | https://pastebin.com/RY8JANpk |
| 04:19.46 | jsync2 | Thanks again. |
| 04:19.49 | annadane | :| |
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| 04:19.55 | scaredysquirrel | how can I mount an iso file with udisksctl? |
| 04:20.12 | amirman | annadane, it said that page was removed |
| 04:20.23 | annadane | https://pastebin.com/raw/RY8JANpk |
| 04:20.40 | scaredysquirrel | udisksctl mount -p file:///home/olivar/BiglyBT\ Downloads/debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 04:20.43 | annadane | so other people can look at it; i'm not very good at this, so hopefully the other experts can chime in :P |
| 04:20.48 | amirman | oh cool, neat trick! |
| 04:20.49 | scaredysquirrel | if i omt file or keep it |
| 04:21.01 | annadane | amirman, reread the dpkg factoid for pastebin.com |
| 04:21.05 | scaredysquirrel | (udisksctl mount:155932): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 23:19:33.351: g_dbus_object_manager_get_object: assertion 'g_variant_is_object_path (object_path)' failed |
| 04:21.08 | scaredysquirrel | Error looking up object with path file:///home/olivar/BiglyBT Downloads/debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 04:23.08 | amirman | everything boots fine and fast until i login and it starts loading my desktop environment. then i notice xorg is the busiest process and it takes forever for openbox to start |
| 04:24.23 | scaredysquirrel | tails@tails-pc:/media/tails/D-LIVE NF 1$ udisksctl loop-setup -f /home/olivar/BiglyBT\ Downloads/debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 04:24.26 | scaredysquirrel | Mapped file /home/olivar/BiglyBT Downloads/debian-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso as /dev/loop0. |
| 04:24.45 | scaredysquirrel | and that will allow you to open it up with Gnome Files |
| 04:25.06 | amirman | fbpanel, nitrogen, and conky all load up really fast. then after a long wait openbox and plank start up |
| 04:26.08 | scaredysquirrel | um guys can I put Debian Live on an ext4 usb flash disk filesystem? |
| 04:32.24 | dvs | sure |
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| 04:35.40 | McErroneous | how do i debug my firefox bookmark files ? they increased in size and stopped beeing able to be imported.. |
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| 04:37.35 | McErroneous | instead of using 100KB it suddenly requieres 1MB, within a couple of hours.. |
| 04:40.19 | McErroneous | i did a "grep -v < bookmarks.html" and got a wired message , saying "it will be read and overwritten. \ DO NOT EDIT! -->" |
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| 04:43.03 | scaredysquirrel | ok hey how might i tell debian live that the live system package pool is on /dev/sdb2? |
| 04:43.38 | scaredysquirrel | I might have to give you guys a partial fs tree |
| 04:45.25 | scaredysquirrel | i put the pool and the debian symlink on ext4 all other things on the EFI ESP which as normal is fat32 |
| 04:45.54 | scaredysquirrel | ah debian -> . |
| 04:46.43 | McErroneous | is there a webbrowser that handles html-bookmarks of other browsers easily ? |
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| 05:09.42 | fling | Which package for memtest floppy? |
| 05:11.14 | sponix2ipfw | fling: we are using floppy disk? |
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| 05:15.07 | sponix2ipfw | fling: odd, my grub menu already has that option to run memtest |
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| 05:19.26 | fling | sponix2ipfw: and from which package you got this floppy? |
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| 06:41.10 | clasico | exit slingscold or slingshot for debian ? |
| 06:41.33 | clasico | launchpad style macOS |
| 06:41.40 | annadane | if exit = misspelling of exist, yes, slingshot is packaged in debian |
| 06:41.51 | clasico | how i install it ? |
| 06:41.54 | annadane | though it's a video game apparently |
| 06:42.03 | annadane | so not sure if it's what you're looking for |
| 06:42.08 | annadane | apt install slingshot |
| 06:42.25 | clasico | i am not looking for a videogame |
| 06:42.40 | clasico | i am looking for a lauchpad like macOS |
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| 06:59.03 | HeXiLeD | i would like to install mysql only and dont have to pull mariadb stuff. are they now tied to each other? |
| 07:00.29 | jm_ | HeXiLeD: debian only packages mariadb |
| 07:00.49 | thenobeba | Hi guys I have a problem installing notepad++ on Kali linux... |
| 07:01.00 | jm_ | !kali |
| 07:01.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 07:01.09 | thenobeba | I am trying to use snapp is anyone could help me ? |
| 07:01.11 | thenobeba | snap |
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| 07:03.26 | jaggz | why's gcc --version say it's 6.3, but the package version from debian is 4:8.3.0-1 |
| 07:03.48 | jaggz | I have some software (blender source) which detects the version and thinks it's gcc v8.3 |
| 07:03.56 | annadane | thenobeba, really, don't use kali as a desktop if you're unfamiliar with linux, at least parrot is somewhat set up to be used for a desktop as well, i wouldn't use either, but especially not kali |
| 07:05.49 | jm_ | jaggz: it says 'gcc (Debian 8.3.0-6) 8.3.0' for me in buster |
| 07:06.23 | jaggz | jm_, I'm in debian 10.2 |
| 07:06.30 | jaggz | jm_ what does gcc --version say? |
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| 07:06.40 | jm_ | jaggz: that is buster yes; I just told you what it says |
| 07:07.29 | jaggz | oh |
| 07:07.33 | jaggz | oh right.. sorry. :) |
| 07:07.59 | jm_ | no need to apologize for that |
| 07:08.01 | thenobeba | annadane used to install it and now, I got this error, but it says it is installed: |
| 07:08.02 | thenobeba | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.03 | thenobeba | installed |
| 07:08.24 | jaggz | yikes.. why did I need to apt install --reinstall? |
| 07:08.54 | annadane | so... restart your sesssion? |
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| 07:09.28 | annadane | again, please don't use kali linux and if you're going to, don't ask #debian about it |
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| 07:16.00 | jaggz | had to reinstall gcc and g++ .. I wonder what else is screwed up |
| 07:16.10 | jaggz | and what put an old version of gcc there |
| 07:19.56 | jm_ | maybe check apt and dpkg logs |
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| 07:46.04 | jsync2 | Hello. My network cable was loose upon initial install. How do I get the other install feature options? |
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| 07:52.24 | jm_ | jsync2: run tasksel command in a terminal |
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| 07:57.21 | jsync2 | The machine is not connecting to the internet still for some reason. |
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| 07:59.18 | jm_ | try pinging your router |
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| 08:06.22 | spectral`` | hello |
| 08:06.38 | spectral`` | is there a way to get rid of man-db without uninstalling half the system? |
| 08:06.40 | spectral`` | on Debian Buster |
| 08:07.10 | spectral`` | "apt remove man-db" wants to remove both gnome and xorg |
| 08:08.01 | ayekat | spectral``: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 08:08.53 | spectral`` | I want to get rid of the triggers for man-db, at least |
| 08:09.00 | spectral`` | during package installation |
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| 08:10.30 | ayekat | uninstalling man-db is not the right approach, then :-) |
| 08:10.43 | spectral`` | sorry xD |
| 08:10.44 | ayekat | (OTOH I don't know the answer to the "prevent package manager trigger" question) |
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| 08:11.01 | deadrom | greetings |
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| 08:12.44 | deadrom | what's today's status of ZFS? openZFS is not in the stock deb10 distro but in contrib? |
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| 08:19.12 | deadrom | or let's ask A before B: I need a file system that keeps checksums to prevent bit rot. will any other linux fs do that? |
| 08:19.12 | spectral`` | does anyone know how can I disable a dpkg trigger? man-db in particular |
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| 08:21.57 | jm_ | deadrom: both ext4 and xfs have some sort of checksums |
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| 08:23.09 | jm_ | https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Metadata_Checksums |
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| 08:24.54 | deadrom | jm_, thanks |
| 08:25.05 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 08:32.08 | deadrom | ratrace, btrfs ok for production use these days? |
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| 08:32.51 | ratrace | deadrom: more or less. there's a lot of gotchas though. https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs#Warnings |
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| 08:33.43 | jm_ | redhat removed it from rhel 8 :) |
| 08:34.19 | ratrace | deadrom: there's also an alternative implementation, that I'm testing out these days, that's LUKS support for dm-integrity under mdadm raid. bitrot or other corruption causes an error and triggers mdadm to "heal" itself from redundant copies. |
| 08:34.53 | ratrace | without such a mechanism, md raid would not know which copy is trustworthy. |
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| 08:36.20 | jaggz | thanks again jm_ :) |
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| 08:38.35 | nlpqda | help is needed to fix this real pain touchpad jerking around the screen |
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| 08:39.04 | nlpqda | PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)" |
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| 08:40.34 | deadrom | nlpqda, disable + mouse? :) j/k. notebook make/model? |
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| 08:42.25 | deadrom | ratrace, setup will be more complex. idea: media center with one fat disk of 16TB, backup server on raid6. why not other way round? don't want 8 disks spinning all the time in my home. so idea is: media center wakes up raid server once a week or so and rsyncs to it. now to prevent bit rot occuring and getting stored <- FS |
| 08:42.37 | deadrom | nlpqda, no the notebook make/model |
| 08:42.52 | deadrom | jm_ RH pulled btrfs you mean? |
| 08:43.16 | jm_ | deadrom: yes |
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| 08:43.42 | deadrom | jm_ that tells a lot |
| 08:44.20 | ratrace | deadrom: ZFS is superior for storage systems, and I'd always recommend it. If you want to run something else there and that something else needs lots of RAM too, I would not recommend ZFS. |
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| 08:47.03 | jm_ | deadrom: I don't think it's related to quality or bugs, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 |
| 08:47.11 | deadrom | ratrace, the bitrot critical system is the source, so the single disk system. it might be that it needs to run a VM, so I'll target 16GB RAM of which 8 go to the VM, so that's maybe a little scarce for ZFS. I shy away more from "not in the main distro as it is". it still feels like some pet project that's cool but might explode occasionally. the |
| 08:47.12 | deadrom | LVM thing then in the warnings astonishes me, afaik ZFS is a volume manage itself, so why would one. |
| 08:49.11 | ratrace | deadrom: it exploded a few times so far yea :) usage with VMs is in particular one case where I've had issues with RAM, where ARC doesn't act as page cache and does not release memory for VMs to take. |
| 08:49.51 | ratrace | so one way around it is to lock down memory you assign to VMs and memory you assign to ARC. |
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| 08:51.13 | deadrom | ratrace, would be VBox so I'd assign the VM 4gb fixed |
| 08:51.17 | deadrom | uh 8 |
| 08:51.22 | jsync2 | If I elect to install the Debian Desktop Environment, can I later configure my server to startup to tty mode? |
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| 08:51.42 | ratrace | deadrom: that's fine if you reserve RAM in advance. |
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| 08:51.57 | deadrom | ratrace, like how? |
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| 08:52.32 | ratrace | deadrom: by assigning fixed amount to them, and knowing in advance how many VMs will be run so their cumulative RAM + memory given to ARC does not exceed total RAM. |
| 08:52.57 | ratrace | ie. not relying that you can dynamically start VMs and expect ARC to cull back as pagecache would. |
| 08:53.10 | deadrom | jsync2, absolutely. debian wiki should cover how. but if you want a server to have a desktop you can still go headless and spawn a desktop session from another machine with X2go |
| 08:53.16 | jm_ | jsync2: yes |
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| 08:53.50 | nlpqda | deadrom: dell latitude e6230 |
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| 08:54.33 | deadrom | jsync2, you then need to have the desktop environment to be installed, but the server does not have to start the session. the x2go session can be detached and sit quietly in the background until needed again or be closed, and the machine is still headless |
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| 08:54.50 | jsync2 | deadrom, the X2go thing sounds sort of interesting. jm_, thanks. I wanted to make sure. |
| 08:55.45 | nlpqda | deadrom: I've tried to download/install oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics-dkms and ended up breaking the package manager, every time I install something new apt is screaming Errors were encountered while processing: oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics-dkms |
| 08:55.46 | deadrom | nlpqda, does it have a touchscreen? |
| 08:56.03 | nlpqda | deadrom: nope ... TS |
| 08:56.35 | jm_ | jsync2: you can change default target using systemctl set-default foo.target |
| 08:57.10 | jsync2 | What are the system requirements for systems to run X2go? |
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| 08:57.16 | jm_ | probably oem-touchpad-alps-synaptics-dkms doesn't build against your kernel or it's something even more basic, i.e. no kernel headers |
| 08:58.44 | deadrom | nlpqda, lots of people have issues with the dell touchpads.. I bet some big distro forums have helpful ideas. I switched from Thinkpad to Dell and it came with regrets. power is fine, but fan speed control is wonky, suspend/resume has issues.. I'd get rid of it and get a Thinkpad ;) |
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| 08:59.49 | nlpqda | deadrom: I'm facing the same exact issue on thinkpad t440p |
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| 09:00.23 | deadrom | nlpqda, which distro version and desktop environment? |
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| 09:00.45 | nlpqda | deadrom: suspend/resume are ok here on dell, while problematic on t440p thinkpad |
| 09:00.52 | nlpqda | buster gnome |
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| 09:04.25 | jm_ | nlpqda: and standard 4.19 kernel? |
| 09:07.11 | deadrom | jsync2, that's fairly easy, you need openssh-server and x2go installed. check out the project page, it explains a lot without too much techbabble |
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| 09:08.03 | jsync2 | deadrom, thanks. |
| 09:08.27 | jsync2 | ð |
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| 09:09.32 | jsync2 | Anybody aware of what language the non-graphic netinstall was written in? |
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| 09:11.14 | tinyhippo | jsync2: have a look at the repositories here: https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team?utf8=%E2%9C%93&filter= |
| 09:11.24 | tinyhippo | I have no idea which repository it is in |
| 09:11.28 | tinyhippo | but good luck! |
| 09:11.32 | jm_ | or maybe start with https://d-i.debian.org/doc/internals/ |
| 09:11.39 | deadrom | jsync2, easiest probably is to download the src deb and check out the src code. I'd expect bash/perl/python but that's sheer guessing |
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| 09:13.56 | HaMsTeRs | Hello everyone. I need to analyze *.evtx logs in linux environment, would there any good GUI app recommend? Thanks in advance. |
| 09:15.51 | nlpqda | deadrom jm_ , standard buster and gnome shipped with it |
| 09:16.02 | nlpqda | I didn't make any kernel changes too |
| 09:16.43 | deadrom | nlpqda, not many ideas here. that driver you mentioned, where did you get ahtat and how did you get in into dkms? |
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| 09:17.26 | deadrom | jm_, good read on RH+btrfs |
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| 09:31.59 | jsync2 | Uh, I used the amd64 netinstall image, & details suggests my install is 32 bit. I wanted to install a 64 bit system for my server. |
| 09:32.29 | jm_ | what does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
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| 09:34.04 | jsync2 | Error: conflicting actions |
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| 09:34.43 | jm_ | what? you must have types something wrong |
| 09:37.35 | jsync2 | I've tried it various different ways: without a space between "dpkg" & "print-architecture", etc. |
| 09:38.10 | jm_ | the command is "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 09:38.18 | jsync2 | 2 dashes. Ok. It says "i386". |
| 09:38.26 | jsync2 | ð |
| 09:38.38 | jm_ | so it's correct, I wonder how you managed that with amd64 image then |
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| 09:39.12 | jsync2 | I got it from the debian buster image download page. |
| 09:39.25 | jm_ | do you still have the image? |
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| 09:39.40 | jsync2 | Yeah. It says amd64. |
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| 09:40.31 | nlpqda | deadrom: I got the driver from dell's website as far as I recall, and someone here in the past mentioned I've something wrong with linux headers but I didn't know how to fix it |
| 09:40.40 | jsync2 | Will I need to reinstall, or can I upgrade the install? |
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| 09:41.05 | openbsdtai123 | hello |
| 09:41.08 | jm_ | fwhat's its md5sum? |
| 09:41.12 | openbsdtai123 | Or please how to compile it without nameserv compat h on lib ???? |
| 09:41.33 | openbsdtai123 | I need to compile gobby server, but I have not the lib nameserv compat h at all. |
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| 09:42.04 | jm_ | jsync2: base install should cross grade easily I guess, see https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading if you want to go that way |
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| 09:44.32 | nlpqda | deadrom: linux-headers-4.19.0-6-/all | all-adm64 | amd64 | cloud-amd64 | common | common-rt | rt-amd64 are installed as well as linux-headers-amd64 |
| 09:44.43 | jsync2 | jm_, thanks. |
| 09:45.01 | nlpqda | but I'm not sure what dkms is or why it keeps popping up whenever I'm reinstalling the driver |
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| 09:45.23 | jm_ | nlpqda: it tells you where to look for error |
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| 09:50.11 | jelly | jsync2: "crossgrade" is really a huge hack and it's really better to just reinstall amd64 instead of doing that |
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| 10:08.41 | jsync2 | jm_, these instructions don't suggest to change /etc/apt/sources.list, not actually. |
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| 10:09.16 | Haohmaru | ah, going from 32bit to 64bit debian? |
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| 10:09.36 | Haohmaru | i recently did that, and iirc it failed so much.. |
| 10:10.04 | Haohmaru | at the end i wasted so much time that i installed debian 3 times over it |
| 10:10.23 | ratrace | aye |
| 10:10.40 | Haohmaru | maybe it's doable if ur a h4x0r, but i'm not |
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| 10:12.41 | jsync2 | Haohmaru, you suggest clean reinstall? |
| 10:13.39 | Haohmaru | well i suggest that if ur not a h4x0r, don't waste your time |
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| 10:21.05 | deadrom | nlpqda, um, I think you installed all the header packages you could find, that possible? remove them and keep only th eone that fits your kernel name package |
| 10:22.21 | deadrom | sounds a bit as if you compile against the wring headers. I'd say to the installation again and copy the console output on pastebin.com |
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| 10:24.05 | deadrom | jsync2, clean install. it's simply not worth the trouble. backup /etc so you can look up any custom settings you may have done there, print out a list of installed packages with dpkg -l |
| 10:24.25 | deadrom | do you have /home on a seperate partition? then keep that and check the installer keeps it, too |
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| 10:29.54 | jm_ | jsync2: that's the idea :) |
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| 10:36.31 | nlpqda | deadrom: how to decide which header fits the kernel? |
| 10:36.43 | nlpqda | any commands? |
| 10:42.56 | deadrom | nlpqda, the one closest matches the uname -a output |
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| 10:53.55 | jsync2 | I'm doing a reinstall. This time it's suggesting it's installing amd64. I wish 32bit could use my RAM. OH |
| 10:54.05 | jsync2 | ð |
| 10:55.51 | bzed | jsync2: always use amd64 if you can. |
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| 10:58.04 | glick | hi, does anyone have any favorite news readers? |
| 10:58.18 | tarzeau | Safari.app on iPhone |
| 10:58.37 | Haohmaru | readers? |
| 10:58.39 | jm_ | news as in usenet or something else? |
| 10:58.41 | tarzeau | news as in NNTP? does it still exist? |
| 10:59.06 | jm_ | it does |
| 10:59.23 | bzed | tarzeau: these days its used to distribute parts of binary files ;) |
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| 10:59.29 | tarzeau | bzed: it was so, 20 years ago already |
| 11:00.08 | bzed | tarzeau: true, but now its movies, not random pr0n from alt.binaries.* |
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| 11:00.33 | tarzeau | bzed: 4k? which group? movies also with polish/german content and subtitles? |
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| 11:31.49 | jsync2 | Alright. I have a 64bit install on that big bad server of mine. ð Thanks for the helps. |
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| 11:52.05 | jelly | jsync2: you can use 32bit userspace and a 64bit kernel, each 32bit process is limited to 4GiB address space but since you typically run more than a single process on Linux, a 32bit installation can still use more RAM. |
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| 11:53.03 | Jmabsd | Hi everone, a question, I'll install Debian on an AMD64 machine now. |
| 11:53.13 | Jmabsd | Especially I want its AMDGPU kernel framebuffer to not be a disaster. |
| 11:53.26 | Jmabsd | Other than this, rebooting it every 3 months due to program upgrades is I guess, fine. |
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| 11:53.33 | Jmabsd | Which edition should I use?? |
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| 11:54.05 | Jmabsd | Is Buster the bleeding edge today and Bullseye(11) doesn't even exist??? |
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| 11:54.15 | tinyhippo | buster is stable |
| 11:54.20 | jm_ | depends on your definition of bleeding edge |
| 11:54.35 | tinyhippo | sid is unstable/bleeding edge |
| 11:54.40 | pandakekok9 | Jmabsd: If you're looking for unstable, it's sid. If testing, bullseye |
| 11:54.47 | Jmabsd | Wikipedia says Bullseye exists?? |
| 11:54.56 | jm_ | of course it exists |
| 11:55.03 | Jmabsd | I see Bullseye has much newer kernel. |
| 11:55.06 | Jmabsd | How stable should it be ?? |
| 11:55.17 | tinyhippo | it's not, so ymmv |
| 11:55.19 | jm_ | you can get newer kernel for stable releases from backports |
| 11:55.28 | pandakekok9 | Jmabsd: It's more stable than buster/stable, and can be more sane than sid |
| 11:55.30 | Jmabsd | aha, i see.. hmmm.. okay |
| 11:55.41 | tinyhippo | if you want stable, use stable |
| 11:55.46 | jm_ | Jmabsd: in any case, start with stable |
| 11:55.46 | Jmabsd | for AMDGPU kernel framebuffer support specifically, which kernel do you recommend - i just use a backport? |
| 11:55.59 | Jmabsd | hmmm okay. ok good point. will do. thanks! :DD |
| 11:56.09 | jelly | Jmabsd: if that works for you, keep using the backport kernel on buster. |
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| 12:00.57 | Jmabsd | jelly: will try, thanks for suggesting!! :DD |
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| 13:26.41 | chompchompchomp | petn-randall: no. i am an alligator. |
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| 13:46.17 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 13:57.01 | hackedhead | I have a sda4 entirely encrypted with LUKS, inside I have a single VG with three LVs (slackware-root, home and debian-root). sda6 holds /boot (ext3 unencrypted) and sda1 holds /boot/efi (my EFI partition). I was able to use ash to access my LUKS partition, mount my LVs and install debian. I installed grub, which added an EFI entry, but does not function. I know that this is because I need to configure the |
| 13:57.03 | hackedhead | initrd with LUKS support, but I'm not clear on exactly how to do this. Do any resources for this exist? |
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| 14:20.45 | clasico | hello |
| 14:21.15 | clasico | can i install a menu like slax i mean osx style launchpad |
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| 14:23.42 | clasico | how can i do this in debian ? -> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/apps |
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| 14:24.32 | CrystalMath | that's for ubuntu isn't it? |
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| 14:24.55 | Ede|Popede | !ppa |
| 14:24.55 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 14:24.59 | CrystalMath | https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 14:33.14 | grzesiek11 | tl;dr: you can, but better don't |
| 14:34.30 | user1_ | help |
| 14:35.05 | grzesiek11 | !ask |
| 14:35.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:38.23 | Enissay | I want to change my locale to UTF8, so I used some commands from internet, but the outcome is still not good |
| 14:38.25 | Enissay | # locale => LC_CTYPE="POSIX", LC_NUMERIC="POSIX", LC_TIME="POSIX", LC_COLLATE="POSIX", LC_MONETARY="POSIX", ... |
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| 14:38.27 | Enissay | # cat /etc/default/locale => LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 14:38.38 | Enissay | What am I doing wrong ? |
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| 14:39.58 | clasico | how can i do this in debian ? -> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:noobslab/apps ??????? |
| 14:40.22 | towo^work | clasico, again, don't do that |
| 14:40.30 | towo^work | ppa are for ubuntu, not debian |
| 14:40.31 | clasico | dont ? |
| 14:40.35 | clasico | ok |
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| 14:40.41 | grzesiek11 | do you really want to? that might create a broken system |
| 14:40.51 | clasico | so how can i install that sofware? |
| 14:41.02 | clasico | a menu like slax i mean osx style launchpad |
| 14:41.29 | giaco | hello! need help with pkg-config. I've manually compiled and installed gstreamer in custom prefix, I am not trying to ./autogen.sh another software that depends on the first one, but ./configure complains checking for GST... no |
| 14:42.03 | giaco | I know that in the custom prefix I have the .pc files |
| 14:42.18 | grzesiek11 | clasico: https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA |
| 14:42.25 | giaco | but $ PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/gstreamer/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig ./configure returns the same error |
| 14:43.02 | wrksx | Had an issue with my certs auto renewal LE/Certbot), it was failing but I never got notified by email. What setup would you recommend to get nofied on failed renewal? |
| 14:43.24 | jsync2 | Oh yeah: I figured out why the netinstall was the i386. I had downloaded the i386 as well as the amd64, & when I tried to make a startup disk on the usb, the startup disk creator software selected the i386 .iso & I only noticed after install. ð± |
| 14:46.18 | deadrom | clasico, probably it's easier to go through the pin of learning how to debianize a pckage yourself once and then deb-compile all you want from package source codes |
| 14:47.03 | deadrom | if ppas are bad, what are docker containers? |
| 14:49.40 | ksk | no objections ;) |
| 14:50.02 | Ede|Popede | things have becaome too complex to manage them so throw some more complexity on them in form of some extra management and go on and on forever like this |
| 14:50.13 | ksk | but bad in a different way. a PAA will mess up your debian system, a container (in theory) not. |
| 14:51.34 | Ede|Popede | you have ABSOLUTELY no guarantee that some ppa or some external repo (even if working without problems) won't add some .deb at some point in the future that clashes with some package you have installed from the official repo |
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| 14:52.46 | Ede|Popede | just imagine someone writing a GPL version of monster bash and ideally naming the binary simply bash. |
| 14:52.50 | ksk | one could say, docker is "okay" if you accept its not root-safe, and furthermore create your own images - but who does that.. |
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| 14:53.54 | clasico | Err:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/noobslab/apps/ubuntu focal Release |
| 14:53.54 | clasico | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.54 | clasico | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho |
| 14:53.54 | clasico | E: El repositorio «http://ppa.launchpad.net/noobslab/apps/ubuntu focal Release» no tiene un fichero de Publicación. |
| 14:53.54 | clasico | N: No se puede actualizar de un repositorio como este de forma segura y por tanto está deshabilitado por omisión. |
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| 14:56.02 | Ede|Popede | are there irc clients not telling you that you're not in a channel while writing into it? |
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| 14:59.05 | phhe | I have got an Dell D510 and installed Debian 10 and Mate. When I try to wake the system from hibernation (hybernation via the icon that does the same as "systemctl hibernate") it is readable "Resuming from hibernation" but all ends with a blackscreen an no key combination works. Has anyone an idea what could be wrong? |
| 14:59.15 | giaco | nevermind, solved |
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| 15:06.07 | wonderworld | phhe: check the log to have a chance to find out what might have gone wrong |
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| 15:09.09 | phhe | Thanks wonderworld! Could you tell me where the log should be saved? |
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| 15:18.00 | Jmabsd | Ah dear, my Debian installer EFI-booted. How do I make the Debian installation MBR-boot? |
| 15:18.42 | tomreyn | boot in legacy bios mode |
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| 15:19.55 | Jmabsd | correct.. |
| 15:20.10 | Jmabsd | so i should ask Grub or such to do MBR boot |
| 15:20.42 | Jmabsd | is this a grub setting, hm. |
| 15:20.59 | mtn | no, it is a bios setting |
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| 15:26.33 | phhe | Could you tell me please where I can find a resume from hibernation log when resuming fails? |
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| 15:26.54 | pie3 | anyone gone thru machine learning course? |
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| 15:27.20 | Jmabsd | (bbl) |
| 15:27.30 | Jmabsd | mtn: i know what mode a computer will boot, is a bios setting. |
| 15:27.48 | colo-work | phhe, if the kernel doesn't wake up, it won't be able to log at all |
| 15:28.01 | colo-work | phhe, you could try a serial console, and/or netconsole |
| 15:28.50 | tarzeau | phhe: /var/log/pm-*.log* |
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| 15:59.17 | wonderworld | phhe: you could check jornalctl at the time the machine crashed |
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| 16:36.20 | Jmabsd | ah dear so how do I enforce MBR as partitioning scheme during Debian installation |
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| 16:43.22 | rgr | any idea why a in a new install of stable I cant run xprop so that it works on my terminal windows? before hand it used to show a + sign immediately now it only does when the mouse is over say my web browser but NOT when I pass it over tilix or gnome-terminal. |
| 16:43.52 | greycat | If you're using gnome-terminal, you might be using GNOME, which means you might be using Wayland, not X. |
| 16:44.05 | rgr | I have a host of scripts that use xdotool and they're all failing too. Gnoe desktop is running fine. |
| 16:44.10 | rgr | oh yes. good point. |
| 16:44.23 | rgr | I dont use gnome-terminal per se but I fired it up to test it. |
| 16:44.23 | greycat | At the login screen you should be able to select "GNOME on X11" instead of "GNOME on Wayland". |
| 16:44.39 | rgr | yup I shall check that. should have thought of that. ta. |
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| 16:47.07 | rgr | and that was indeed the case. ok so if I use wayland I need to move to what tools inseatd o xdotool and xprop to identify existiing window instances? |
| 16:47.25 | rgr | I'll search that out. Thanks for the help. |
| 16:47.54 | gZen0n | Hi, I'm upgrading VM from stretch to buster, i have an error during the apt upgrade step : http://paste.debian.net/1127911 , and --fix-broken : http://paste.debian.net/1127912 |
| 16:48.10 | gZen0n | can someone take a look plz ? |
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| 16:48.21 | greycat | ,v uim-common |
| 16:48.23 | judd | Package: uim-common on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.8.6-8; stretch: 1:1.8.6+gh20161003.0.d63dadd-2 |
| 16:48.23 | Jmabsd | so - how force MBR install? |
| 16:48.31 | mason | gZen0n: dist-upgrade is usually the option you want, isn't it? |
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| 16:48.42 | mason | or full-upgrade with apt |
| 16:48.52 | gZen0n | yes, but i need to do upgrade before no ? |
| 16:48.55 | greycat | ,v libuim-plugins |
| 16:48.56 | judd | Package: libuim-plugins on amd64 -- stretch: 1:1.8.6+gh20161003.0.d63dadd-2 |
| 16:49.04 | mason | gZen0n: Do your upgrade without changing sources, yes. |
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| 16:49.16 | greycat | libuim-plugins and uim-common don't exist in buster. Maybe you can just delete them? I don't know what they do. |
| 16:49.21 | gZen0n | I did ithout and then ith changing sources |
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| 16:49.50 | greycat | ,info libuim-plugins --release stretch |
| 16:49.53 | judd | Package libuim-plugins (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Universal Input Method - plugin files. Version: 1:1.8.6+gh20161003.0.d63dadd-2; Size: 18.4k; Installed: 106k; Homepage: https://github.com/uim/uim/wiki |
| 16:50.30 | mason | gZen0n: greycat's suggestion is probably what you want to pursue. |
| 16:51.04 | gZen0n | apt doesn't respond for any install/remove/purge, it alays prompt this error |
| 16:51.25 | greycat | Go lower level. dpkg --purge libuim-plugins uim-common |
| 16:51.38 | greycat | assuming that you don't need these packages |
| 16:52.42 | gZen0n | http://paste.debian.net/1127914/ do i add uim-utils ? |
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| 16:53.05 | gZen0n | and anthy |
| 16:53.09 | greycat | ,v uim-utils |
| 16:53.10 | judd | Package: uim-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.8.6-8; stretch: 1:1.8.6+gh20161003.0.d63dadd-2 |
| 16:53.18 | greycat | ,v uim-anthy |
| 16:53.19 | gZen0n | ok i'll try |
| 16:53.20 | judd | Package: uim-anthy on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.8.6-8; stretch: 1:1.8.6+gh20161003.0.d63dadd-2; buster: 1:1.8.8-4+deb10u2; bullseye: 1:1.8.8-6; sid: 1:1.8.8-6 |
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| 16:53.24 | gZen0n | ah ! |
| 16:53.29 | greycat | Huh, *that* one is in buster but not the rest. |
| 16:53.29 | gZen0n | this one exists in buster |
| 16:53.30 | greycat | Weird. |
| 16:53.41 | greycat | ,depends uim-anthy |
| 16:53.42 | judd | Package uim-anthy in buster/amd64 -- depends: uim-data (= 1:1.8.8-4+deb10u2), uim (>= 1:1.8.8-4+deb10u2), anthy,uim-data (>= 1:1.8.8-4+deb10u2). |
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| 16:54.11 | greycat | OK... I think that what I'd try is purging all of the uim* packages you currently have, then doing the upgrade, then installing uim-anthy. |
| 16:54.28 | gZen0n | ok i try it |
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| 16:55.35 | jhutchins_wk1 | Is that a comma in a package name? |
| 16:55.59 | annadane | ,i anthy,uim-data |
| 16:56.00 | judd | No package named 'anthy,uim-data' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 16:56.15 | greycat | No. It's the bot mangling the Depends: and Pre-Depends: lines together. |
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| 16:56.31 | gZen0n | Error: in load: file "/usr/share/uim/lib/sigscheme-init.scm" not found |
| 16:56.57 | gZen0n | It's the first error i sa, and it happends also hen i dpkg purge all uim pkgs |
| 16:57.01 | gZen0n | saw* |
| 16:57.18 | greycat | you could try creating that as an empty file... |
| 16:57.35 | greycat | either that, or tear apart the prerm scripts and figure out what the hell they want |
| 16:58.08 | gZen0n | http://paste.debian.net/1127916/ |
| 16:59.03 | gZen0n | it's asking for another file... |
| 16:59.22 | rgr | jaysus, it seems there is no xdotool equiv for wayland for "security reasons". |
| 17:00.09 | gZen0n | After adding the second file new error, i think it excepts not empty file... "Error: in scm_symbol_value: unbound variable: %require-extension" |
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| 17:01.24 | gZen0n | some poeple on reddit fixed pretty same error by "removing all reference to uim in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:01.42 | gZen0n | Do you think it's safe to do this ? |
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| 17:03.29 | jelly | gZen0n: editing dpkg status file manually is never safe. |
| 17:03.55 | jelly | it's the last resort option |
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| 17:08.48 | gZen0n | here is uim-anthy.prerm http://paste.debian.net/1127918/ |
| 17:09.10 | gZen0n | it calls uim-module-manager |
| 17:09.22 | gZen0n | ,uim-module-manager |
| 17:09.33 | annadane | use ,i or ,v |
| 17:09.37 | gZen0n | ,v uim-module-manager |
| 17:09.38 | judd | No package named 'uim-module-manager' was found in amd64. |
| 17:09.49 | jelly | ,file bin/uim-module-manager |
| 17:09.52 | jelly | and it's optional |
| 17:09.55 | judd | Search for bin/uim-module-manager in buster/amd64: uim: usr/bin/uim-module-manager |
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| 17:10.38 | jelly | gZen0n: you could "dpkg --purge uim" first, then the others. |
| 17:11.17 | gZen0n | uim is not installed... |
| 17:11.35 | jelly | gZen0n: does /usr/bin/uim-module-manager or /bin/uim-module-manager exist? |
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| 17:11.48 | gZen0n | yes it exists |
| 17:11.56 | jelly | ha! |
| 17:12.10 | jelly | gZen0n: what does dpkg -S $(readlink -f /usr/bin/uim-module-manager) ... say? |
| 17:12.37 | gZen0n | uim-utils: /usr/bin/uim-module-manager |
| 17:12.53 | jelly | wich debian release is this? |
| 17:13.09 | gZen0n | i'm in transition beteen stretch and buster |
| 17:13.20 | gZen0n | source.list is buster |
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| 17:13.35 | gZen0n | but i didn't perform full-upgrade yet |
| 17:13.41 | jelly | gZen0n: ah. "dpkg --remove --force-depends uim-utils" |
| 17:14.27 | jelly | if that works the other package prerm ought to work. Some cruft might remain, but eh. |
| 17:14.54 | unborn | hi guys, sorry - but lately I had strange problem, Terminal said I held some packages etc.. install issues (my paint package) now when I do grep for those packages nothings come out if I do apt install -f or apt install -f package name nothings came out.. is that note from apt just to telling me that package it self was not installed as it would be - that and this... or should I would be worried about my system.. i wont have Frankenstein on my end.. , |
| 17:14.54 | unborn | please enlighten me. Thanks. |
| 17:15.08 | gZen0n | jelly, u got my acknowledgment |
| 17:15.20 | gZen0n | it worked ! |
| 17:15.41 | jelly | gZen0n: see if you can clean up apt state now with "apt-get -f install" |
| 17:15.59 | jelly | it might want to install half of buster. |
| 17:16.22 | gZen0n | uh, i did the dpkg purge command, and apt update apt upgrade |
| 17:16.30 | jelly | oh, alright then |
| 17:17.02 | jelly | in that case you can still do "apt-get -f install" just to confirm it does and changes nothing |
| 17:17.58 | unborn | the question here.. shall we all use apt command or apt-get command? |
| 17:17.59 | gZen0n | yes, i'll do it, in the head of the uprade, there are 4 pkg half installed |
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| 17:18.55 | greycat | !apt vs. apt-get |
| 17:18.55 | dpkg | apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting. |
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| 17:19.10 | jelly | unborn: "it depends" |
| 17:19.18 | unborn | noted |
| 17:19.31 | unborn | now understand it. thanks all |
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| 17:19.41 | jelly | during a release upgrade, you should probably use the tool specified in the release notes. |
| 17:20.00 | gZen0n | I have to go, i'll let it turn, thank you for your help ! |
| 17:20.31 | unborn | !held-packages |
| 17:21.02 | greycat | !listkeys held |
| 17:21.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'held' by key (6): #debian held back ;; held ;; held back ;; _default held back ;; list held ;; rupert sheldrake. |
| 17:21.19 | unborn | thanks gray :) |
| 17:21.29 | jelly | !rupert sheldrake |
| 17:21.29 | dpkg | somebody said rupert sheldrake was not Debian |
| 17:21.39 | jelly | well okay. |
| 17:21.47 | greycat | hard to argue with that |
| 17:21.56 | jelly | dpkg, forget rupert sheldrake |
| 17:21.57 | dpkg | jelly: i forgot rupert sheldrake |
| 17:22.03 | unborn | !held back |
| 17:22.03 | dpkg | Apt says packages are "kept back" when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 and ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 17:22.20 | unborn | oh I see it now! |
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| 17:25.26 | J0P3YE | I have a seperate HDD that I've installed, yet I don't have permissions. How do I set permissions to all users? |
| 17:25.47 | greycat | Create file system(s) on it, mount them, then use chown/chmod on the directories within the mounted file systems. |
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| 17:27.59 | GNU\colossus | are there any free hypervisors in Debian that run a virtualized Windows 10 desktop satisfactorily (as far as that's possible with that OS, of course :>)? |
| 17:28.10 | J0P3YE | The HDD is a second drive that is to stay with the computer.. and eventually be swapped out.. more of a dump for media really. |
| 17:28.40 | greycat | Then it should be simple. Just chown it to the user who's copying the "media" to it. |
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| 17:29.10 | damex | GNU\colossus: xen or qemu-kvm |
| 17:29.12 | J0P3YE | Okay. Thanks greycat. |
| 17:30.14 | tinyhippo | GNU\colossus:virtualbox? |
| 17:30.59 | GNU\colossus | ,v virtualbox |
| 17:31.01 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.1.2-dfsg-1 |
| 17:31.08 | GNU\colossus | not in buster, apparently |
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| 17:31.23 | GNU\colossus | damex, can xen actually host Windows? |
| 17:31.37 | GNU\colossus | speaking of qemu, is there a capable GUI frontend for that that is NOT libvirt-based? |
| 17:31.56 | damex | what is wrong with libvirt? |
| 17:32.12 | unborn | don't use virtualbox... |
| 17:32.26 | jelly | GNU\colossus: is there ANY capable kvm GUI, doesn't matter what it's based on? |
| 17:32.58 | GNU\colossus | jelly, I'd be interested to know that, too ;) |
| 17:33.14 | jelly | ping me if you find out |
| 17:33.20 | GNU\colossus | hehe, I will make sure to |
| 17:33.28 | damex | GNU\colossus: yes, xen can host windows. look for HVM capability. |
| 17:34.15 | GNU\colossus | damex, I wasn't aware of that. cool. but I'd like to host that windows VM on a Debian desktop, so no xen-dom0-shenanigans for me :) |
| 17:35.32 | damex | then kvm is a good way to go. virt-manager with libvirt and spice would/should be good enough for desktop |
| 17:37.54 | unborn | damex: its good for my gramma shes running multiple machines on it...68 years and she told me its more intuitive then virtualbox.. - I had problem with network adaptor but since I've seen her working with it, i did seen my issues. Since then, virtualbox is no go for me.. |
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| 17:43.29 | francois | bonjour |
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| 17:56.16 | francois | bonjour |
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| 17:58.35 | annadane | !ask |
| 17:58.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:58.38 | annadane | !fr |
| 17:58.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. |
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| 18:00.06 | jelly | offers annadane a croissant |
| 18:00.24 | francois | thank |
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| 18:05.27 | gZen0n | well i'm back, first upgrade worked well, but I have a great list of held pkgs. (191) Should i resolve it all before to perform a full-upgrade ? |
| 18:05.36 | greycat | no |
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| 18:06.40 | gZen0n | Ok thx |
| 18:06.58 | openbsdtai123 | hello |
| 18:06.58 | jelly | gZen0n: that is expected. |
| 18:07.11 | gZen0n | ok the full-upgrade up thgem to date |
| 18:07.17 | jelly | right |
| 18:07.23 | wwilliam | how do i configure my external monitor it only lights up at boot then it goes black. |
| 18:07.29 | openbsdtai123 | would it be possible to have GOBBY for the terminal using NCURSES, for xterm usage or under ssh, ... ? |
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| 18:08.34 | greycat | Neither dpkg nor google is giving me useful results for gobby... what is GOBBY? |
| 18:08.40 | jelly | ,i gobby |
| 18:08.41 | judd | Package gobby (net, optional) in buster/amd64: infinote-based collaborative text editor. Version: 0.6.0~20170204~e5c2d1-3; Size: 535.6k; Installed: 2326k; Homepage: https://gobby.github.io; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gobby |
| 18:08.46 | jelly | that thing? |
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| 18:08.56 | jelly | seems to be a GUI app |
| 18:10.46 | jelly | openbsdtai123: it does not seem such a piece of software exists, so it's possible in a theoretical way, but someone needs to write it first! |
| 18:10.51 | openbsdtai123 | yeah |
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| 18:11.19 | openbsdtai123 | We would need a terminal for the console (like mutt, irssi, links, elinks, w3m,... all the linux stuffs). |
| 18:11.29 | openbsdtai123 | So that gobby runs on console only. |
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| 18:12.41 | greycat | the "Suggests: avahi-daemon" part is pretty frightening |
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| 18:13.21 | jelly | still, there seems to be a protocol with an opensource implementation beneath, so it's "just" a matter of writing a new frontend |
| 18:13.37 | openbsdtai123 | It is complicated to write it? |
| 18:13.41 | wwilliam | Hello how do i configure my samsun cf392 external monitor? it lights up only on kdelogin then it goes dark. |
| 18:13.44 | greycat | Yes. I would imagine it is.\ |
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| 18:14.18 | openbsdtai123 | If there is already most of it, the backend of Gobby may be done by Linux users. |
| 18:14.26 | openbsdtai123 | However there is no GOBBY on freenode :( |
| 18:14.33 | openbsdtai123 | not found /join gobby |
| 18:14.41 | jelly | openbsdtai123: they would be linux devs, not linux users, then :-) |
| 18:14.47 | greycat | openbsdtai123: Homepage: https://gobby.github.io |
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| 18:15.01 | openbsdtai123 | ahhh you mean /join #linux-dev |
| 18:15.09 | greycat | ... |
| 18:15.16 | greycat | this one smells of troll |
| 18:15.20 | jelly | openbsdtai123: look for the protocol name, too. /msg alis list infinote |
| 18:15.55 | jelly | openbsdtai123: no, I mean people who write software are called developers. People using it are users. |
| 18:16.51 | openbsdtai123 | thank you |
| 18:17.05 | jelly | I suspect either your troll definition or detector thresholds are different than mine. |
| 18:17.10 | openbsdtai123 | I post a message on it #infininote but it seems very lonely channel |
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| 18:17.26 | wwilliam | ok fixed I had to enable the external monitor, thank you. |
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| 18:17.43 | jelly | openbsdtai123: be patient, tiny channels can take days-weeks for an answer |
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| 18:23.36 | Akuw | i am trying to install libxerces-c3.1, but it request for libicu52 (>= 52~m1-1~) |
| 18:23.42 | Akuw | but i cant find that |
| 18:24.00 | Akuw | where could be, i searched in snapshot ans debian jessie |
| 18:24.47 | gZen0n | ,v libicu52 |
| 18:24.49 | judd | Package: libicu52 on amd64 -- jessie: 52.1-8+deb8u7; jessie-security: 52.1-8+deb8u7 |
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| 18:25.08 | greycat | you can leave those old libraries in place, and just ignore them, or you can purge them. your choice. |
| 18:25.26 | gZen0n | So usefull this bot |
| 18:25.31 | gZen0n | :D |
| 18:26.32 | jelly | Akuw: (>= 52~m1-1~) means, basically, any version equal to or above 52 will satisfy the dependency |
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| 23:09.09 | openbsdtai123 | hello, where to find the old links 1.xx tar.gz ? (links, the terminal browser for web). I need older 1.x version. |
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| 23:22.43 | crestfallen | hi I don't know anything about midi keyboards. Can I run a midi (Alesis v61) using debian / ubuntu software? know nothing about it and my web searches make me believe its quite complicated |
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| 23:28.46 | crestfallen | well I ran across Jack. I think I can run this alesis keyboard using Jack |
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| 23:42.39 | Akuw_ | hi, back again |
| 23:43.07 | crestfallen | well I found software midi called yoshimi. is this all I need to play a midi controller? |
| 23:43.34 | crestfallen | just a cheap midi controller and my debian system? |
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| 23:56.47 | salkin | crestfallen: what software do you want to control with the midi device? what are you using? - as an example in SuperCollider this is pretty much working straight out of the box. you could try with Pure Data also. there is def some example online. but if you want to use midi keyboard directly via jack, i dont know really |
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