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| 05:17.17 | jerry | i have a winblows box connected to my linux server and the ip has changed. is there a command i can use to scan a particular port i know is open on the box to determine the ip? |
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| 05:19.00 | nyov | jerry: no, but you can scan the subnet your computer (and thus the windows box) is on |
| 05:19.22 | jerry | yea i know, was hoping for a sshortcut |
| 05:19.29 | jerry | thanks |
| 05:20.15 | nyov | hm. arp cache maybe, if the box announced itself |
| 05:21.40 | nyov | jerry: if you just do a ping scan, it should be relatively fast. or is it an ipv6 subnet? |
| 05:21.58 | jerry | ipv4 |
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| 05:46.06 | jerry | found it |
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| 06:27.31 | dob1 | I use taskwarrior, it uses reports and for sure it uses ansi escape sequence to decorate the output. I would like see which colors it is using but no way. I tried redirecting to a file, less the output... |
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| 06:32.49 | jm__ | it uses standard ansi codes |
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| 06:33.45 | dob1 | jm__, I would like to see them |
| 06:33.54 | jm__ | dob1: see what exactly? |
| 06:34.00 | dob1 | the codes it is using |
| 06:34.25 | dob1 | I want to see the \033[etc etc \033[0m in the output |
| 06:34.31 | jm__ | dob1: you can use script to log whatever it outputs to a tty or strace ... |
| 06:34.32 | dob1 | for example |
| 06:35.21 | dob1 | jm__, ok I didn't think about script but as I said using |less (no -r) or > output gives me no output |
| 06:35.29 | dob1 | no codes, the output is there |
| 06:36.17 | dob1 | I can see them with script! |
| 06:36.17 | dob1 | nice |
| 06:36.23 | toruvinn | i havent read everything, but if you can just pipe it through something, then | cat -t should show you the codes |
| 06:36.56 | jm__ | it detects if it's a tty, that's why it doesn't use colours when redirecting |
| 06:37.13 | dob1 | jm__, got it |
| 06:37.17 | dob1 | thanks |
| 06:37.25 | jm__ | no problem |
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| 07:45.33 | d3lphi | when I temporarily (for a few days) want to disable a script without deleting it, will it work when I just execute "chmod -x /etc/cron.daily/foo" or do I really need to move it away from that directory ? |
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| 07:47.00 | movl | should work with chmod -x |
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| 07:47.17 | jm__ | and if it doesn't, edit it and use "exit 0" as 2nd line |
| 07:48.29 | d3lphi | jm__: yeah, of course there are tons of other possibilities. But the "chmod -x" would be my preferred one, because I see it at once when navigating in that directory. I see that this single particular file has another color because it misses the -x attr. In case I fiddle around within the script itself, I cannot see from "outside" what I did some days or weeks ago ;) |
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| 07:48.44 | d3lphi | I'll try with -x and see what happens tomorrow. Thank you |
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| 07:52.08 | d3lphi | mov1: jm__: I just did read something about anacron. It should be good when just renaming the script to a filename containing a dot . because anacron only recognizes file names from this pattern ^[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+$ so in my case it would be enough to "cd /etc/cron.daily && mv foo foo.disabled" |
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| 07:58.18 | jm__ | yeah cause it uses run-parts |
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| 08:23.15 | pirla | Hello everyone. How can I tell if all my hardware is correctly detected and configured? Something like Windows' device manager |
| 08:24.05 | Haohmaru | that gives you a false sense of "it works" ;P~ |
| 08:24.30 | Haohmaru | does your stuff work? |
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| 08:24.57 | Haohmaru | i mean, do you see any clues that something might not be working properly? |
| 08:25.08 | pirla | Mostly yes, but in eg I can't tell about bluetooth and 56k modem |
| 08:25.16 | Haohmaru | bruh |
| 08:25.27 | Haohmaru | checks the calendar |
| 08:25.49 | Haohmaru | well then just check those two |
| 08:26.12 | pirla | But doesn't something like Device Manager exist in Linux? |
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| 08:26.30 | jm__ | for bluetooth https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser shall help, for mode - it's typically a serial device, so check if any of those show up |
| 08:26.53 | Haohmaru | i don't know.. there might be some GUI thing that runs commands underneat and spits out the info together with fancy iconz |
| 08:27.08 | jm__ | a lot of stuff is exposed in /sys so you can poke in there, no idea if tools like lshw will show everything you want to see |
| 08:27.19 | pirla | lshw? |
| 08:27.26 | jm__ | !info lshw |
| 08:27.32 | dpkg | lshw: (information about hardware configuration), section utils, is optional. Version: 02.18.85-0.3 (sid), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 918 kB |
| 08:28.23 | Haohmaru | you could search synaptic for that sort of thing, GUI programs typically have screenshots available thru there even |
| 08:28.28 | Haohmaru | at least the fancier ones |
| 08:28.44 | jm__ | yeah check https://packages.debian.org/buster/lshw-gtk |
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| 08:31.58 | pirla | Did it. Installed lshw and saw, It's like everything is fine. By the way, my modem is not in the available hardware list |
| 08:32.02 | pirla | Bluetooth is |
| 08:32.16 | Haohmaru | how is it connected? |
| 08:32.23 | Haohmaru | RS-232? |
| 08:32.31 | jm__ | these days modes are indeed completely different beasts, so not surprised |
| 08:32.57 | pirla | Trying again right now (I closed the terminal) |
| 08:33.00 | Haohmaru | i've no idea wut you'd use the modem for |
| 08:33.19 | jm__ | your phone has a modem too :) |
| 08:33.20 | Haohmaru | i had one.. 19 years ago.. in fact i still have it |
| 08:33.38 | Haohmaru | ..but i haven't used it since then |
| 08:33.48 | Haohmaru | akchually 20 years ago o_O |
| 08:34.35 | Haohmaru | i miss teh sound of teh internetz |
| 08:34.39 | pirla | usb@1:2 |
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| 08:37.05 | nyov | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckc6XSSh52w |
| 08:37.17 | Haohmaru | context? |
| 08:37.24 | jm__ | modems |
| 08:37.41 | nyov | nostalgic value |
| 08:37.46 | Haohmaru | i ain't got sound here |
| 08:39.44 | SwedeMike | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abapFJN6glo is a lot more interesting as it explains what each part of the handshake does |
| 08:40.13 | nyov | nice |
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| 08:40.41 | Haohmaru | i already know what it does.. |
| 08:40.45 | Haohmaru | <magic.gif> |
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| 08:42.04 | Haohmaru | somewhere in 2009 i wrote a program to transmit binary files over 44.1kHz analog audio cuz i didn't have any data connection between my two comput0rz |
| 08:42.36 | Haohmaru | altho it sounded different than modemz |
| 08:43.09 | jm__ | no usb either in 2009? :) |
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| 08:43.30 | Haohmaru | wut ya gon do with USB? |
| 08:43.37 | jm__ | transfer files |
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| 08:43.46 | Haohmaru | uh.. |
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| 08:45.03 | nyov | actually I agree. uh. now that usb won vs firewire, when will they finally make it synchronous? :D |
| 08:45.28 | nyov | at least the connectors |
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| 08:46.15 | pirla | where is slmodem driver gone? |
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| 08:47.50 | pirla | and is it there any frontend to hwnfo? |
| 08:48.51 | jm__ | what do you mean? sl-modem-* packages still exist |
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| 08:49.52 | pirla | I can't find it with apt search |
| 08:50.07 | pirla | by the way, for hardware, I'm getting hardinfo |
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| 08:50.24 | jm__ | it's in non-free |
| 08:50.45 | pirla | I see, but I have stable main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 08:51.30 | jm__ | !bat |
| 08:51.31 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:51.32 | pirla | Here is what I get from apt: sl-modem-dkms - SmartLink software modem driver - module building source |
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| 08:51.41 | jm__ | yes so you see it |
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| 08:52.03 | pirla | but it's a source to be compiled, isn't it? |
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| 08:52.56 | jm__ | yes, using dkms infrastructure, so it's handled automatically on install |
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| 08:54.24 | pirla | Oh, thanks. Installing now and indeed it's doing stuff |
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| 08:55.56 | pirla | http://paste.debian.net/1128442/ |
| 08:55.58 | jim | debian... the distribution for stuff doing! |
| 08:56.07 | pirla | jim lol |
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| 08:56.37 | pirla | Using kppp and querying the modem shows what I pasted above, in the GUI it doesn't find the modem |
| 08:57.26 | pirla | "unable to open modem" |
| 08:57.43 | pirla | I'm interested because I could send faxes from my PC |
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| 08:58.43 | pirla | Should I reboot? |
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| 08:59.12 | jim | umm what was it you just did? |
| 08:59.24 | jim | installed a package? |
| 08:59.36 | pirla | I installed sl-modem-dkms |
| 09:00.01 | jim | oh, I don't think you need to reboot because of that |
| 09:00.32 | pirla | lsmod | grep modem doesn't show anything |
| 09:01.12 | Haohmaru | pirla btw, on debian by default the normal users don't have access to serial ports, and usb-to-serial kind of ports |
| 09:01.17 | Haohmaru | maybe that's related |
| 09:01.18 | pirla | Also receiving errors when ls ing /dev/modem |
| 09:01.27 | jim | you installed that package because you want to do things that a specific device you have might allow you to do? |
| 09:01.33 | pirla | But even with sudo I have troubles |
| 09:01.45 | pirla | yes |
| 09:01.53 | Haohmaru | to add access to your user, one way is to add yourself to a group.. i don't remember how it was called.. "dialout" maybe? |
| 09:02.21 | jim | ok, and so you do have a hardware device, a modem that is also capable of faxes? |
| 09:02.28 | pirla | yes |
| 09:02.38 | Haohmaru | there was some way to ask "ls" to show which groups have access to /dev/ttyX for example |
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| 09:03.40 | jim | ok, and now you've installed this package to build a driver that supports this modem? |
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| 09:04.12 | pirla | yes |
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| 09:04.46 | pirla | my "groups" output: cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner |
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| 09:05.08 | jim | ok, I think you should figure out what the module/driver filename is, and see if you have it |
| 09:05.19 | pirla | By the way, the problem is in another level, because I don't have /dev/modem |
| 09:05.31 | Haohmaru | ah, okay then |
| 09:05.44 | Haohmaru | but what i said could come up later on |
| 09:06.07 | Haohmaru | don't run yer programs as root just because of that ^ |
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| 09:06.14 | xok | hello guys... |
| 09:06.16 | jim | it's vaguely possible that installing that package triggered a build... I'm not so sure about that, I think you have to use the dkms system to do the build (and find out how that's done) |
| 09:06.25 | jim | hi |
| 09:06.32 | xok | I am trying create custom ISO file for installation... |
| 09:06.40 | xok | I am using simple-cdd program for this... |
| 09:06.55 | pirla | thanks everyoe for help. gotta leave now, cheers |
| 09:07.00 | jm__ | see if it added something in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) - I forgot which dir dkms creates, possibly updates? |
| 09:07.02 | jm__ | bleh |
| 09:07.20 | xok | I think I am OK with it, I like it and think it does what I am looking for... |
| 09:07.46 | xok | can anyone help me figure out how to make this installable ISO file not be dependant on the network?.. |
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| 09:08.53 | xok | in other words - I want it to incude every package that is going to be installed in this single ISO file... |
| 09:09.42 | jm__ | xok: have you tried this approach https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD ? |
| 09:09.53 | jm__ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 09:11.09 | jim | there's that live-build thing |
| 09:12.42 | xok | jm__: thanks I will take a look at it... |
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| 09:13.03 | jm__ | yeah if this is debian-live there are other pages for it |
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| 10:14.17 | currybullen | if i've removed all profile files from my home directory, what could possibly be sourcing my ~/.bashrc on non-interactive logins? |
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| 10:15.02 | Lope | if I want to run something closed source, like TeamViewer, is there a way to jail it, like running it in a container? or should I just use a VM? |
| 10:15.18 | colo-work | maybe look at firejail |
| 10:15.37 | Lope | colo-work, cool, thanks |
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| 10:33.37 | Haohmaru | TeamViewer x_x |
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| 10:37.52 | currybullen | i wonder if an application like teamviewer can even be properly sandboxed using firejail, if what you want to achieve is for teamviewer to be unable to view the contents of some windows |
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| 10:40.33 | interrobangd | hello |
| 10:41.05 | interrobangd | after apt-get dist-upgrade my "on hold" packag list is empty |
| 10:41.17 | interrobangd | (apt-get showhold) |
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| 10:54.11 | jim | interrobangd, did you have something on hold? |
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| 10:55.42 | interrobangd | yes |
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| 10:56.11 | interrobangd | after upgrading packages i have so set every time grub on hold again |
| 10:56.16 | jim | could it be the package that were on hold have been removed? |
| 10:56.44 | interrobangd | apt-mark hold "grub*" |
| 10:57.11 | interrobangd | this pakackes are on hold antil upgrade |
| 10:57.14 | interrobangd | *until |
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| 10:57.50 | jim | ok, could you say more about the reason you had grub and grub* packages on hold? |
| 10:58.19 | interrobangd | using refind instead of grub |
| 10:58.55 | interrobangd | and if grub will installed i have to answer every time on which drive to install and so on |
| 10:58.58 | jim | oh ok... did it (mistakenly I guess) install grub again during the upgrade? |
| 10:59.38 | interrobangd | after the second update yes |
| 11:00.05 | jim | and did it kick refind out at the same time? |
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| 11:00.33 | interrobangd | never tested |
| 11:00.45 | nullroutedtospac | Installing Debian 10 on a USB for my NAS (Athlon 64 X2). Hopefully it'll work without any issues. |
| 11:00.57 | jim | ok, had you rebooted since the upgrade? |
| 11:04.05 | jim | nullroutedtospac, is there enough room in your nas (wait, you want your nas to run debian?) to put an additional spinning hd? |
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| 11:05.56 | jim | interrobangd, does dpkg --get-selections | grep refind output anything? |
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| 11:10.24 | nullroutedtospac | I'm installing it onto a 32GB SanDisk USB (my Shuttle XPC refuses other USBs). I'll have enough space since it'll just be running SSH, Apache2, Samba, etc. |
| 11:10.36 | nullroutedtospac | Okay, all done with installation. SSHing into it now. |
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| 11:15.39 | wondiws | how can I force my ethernet adapter to rerun dhcp? |
| 11:17.04 | nullroutedtospac | dhclient [ethernet name] |
| 11:17.13 | nullroutedtospac | Make sure to add sudo before it. |
| 11:20.08 | nullroutedtospac | Going to use RAID 0 on my NAS with two WD drives (one of them is 2TB, while the other is a 1TB drive) |
| 11:20.28 | nullroutedtospac | One of the drives showed a caution in CrystalDiskInfo when I last used it two years ago. |
| 11:20.57 | nullroutedtospac | RAID array all done. Using luks now. |
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| 11:34.47 | currybullen | does scp start an interactive shell by default? |
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| 11:45.05 | currybullen | jm__: nope, i was curious about scp. |
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| 12:39.00 | interrobangd | jim, no |
| 12:43.30 | jim | interrobangd, hmm. so yeah, looks strongly like it was kicked out |
| 12:44.14 | jim | maybe you didn't install it from a package? |
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| 12:49.21 | interrobangd | jim, refind is installed, grub not - it is ok. and grub should be on hold. but sometimes grub is suddenly not on hold |
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| 12:50.43 | interrobangd | i realy want to block grub! |
| 12:50.50 | jm__ | does it also not work if you use dpkg to put it on hold? |
| 12:51.11 | interrobangd | not tested |
| 12:51.26 | interrobangd | apt-mark is not the same? |
| 12:51.35 | jm__ | I think not |
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| 13:06.04 | interrobangd | jim, is the same |
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| 13:07.41 | interrobangd | echo "grub2 hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections; apt-mark showhold -> grub2 |
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| 13:20.01 | apatheticsheep | howdy all |
| 13:21.49 | apatheticsheep | so ... I was trying to upgrade from stretch to buster. I updated, did a dist-upgrade, changed my sources.list s/stretch/buster/, updated again, then distupgrade, and now I am in dependancy hell. https://paste.debian.net/1128482/ |
| 13:21.56 | apatheticsheep | anyone able to help with this? |
| 13:22.10 | dvs | !release notes |
| 13:22.10 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <stretch->buster>, <buster install guide> |
| 13:22.38 | tarzeau | apatheticsheep: do you need uim? |
| 13:22.49 | tarzeau | apatheticsheep: i'd just dpkg --force-all -P all uim.* and be done with it |
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| 13:23.02 | apatheticsheep | tarzeau: *shrug* |
| 13:23.13 | tarzeau | apatheticsheep: you don't know if you need uim? then you don't need it |
| 13:23.23 | apatheticsheep | pretty likely |
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| 13:24.18 | tarzeau | apatheticsheep: it's for japanese input: https://github.com/uim/uim/wiki |
| 13:24.25 | nyov | looks like a reportable bug though |
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| 13:24.37 | nyov | ,file /usr/share/uim/lib/sigscheme-init.scm |
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| 13:24.41 | tarzeau | nyov: not worth the time, and waste of 6-digit bug number |
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| 13:24.42 | judd | Search for /usr/share/uim/lib/sigscheme-init.scm in buster/amd64: uim-data: usr/share/uim/lib/sigscheme-init.scm |
| 13:25.21 | nyov | tarzeau: does the error keep on retry? |
| 13:25.37 | tarzeau | nyov: i don't know, i don't have any stable systems :) |
| 13:25.39 | nyov | just "touch /usr/share/uim/lib/sigscheme-init.scm" |
| 13:25.47 | nyov | so it has something to remove? |
| 13:26.06 | apatheticsheep | nyov: hmm |
| 13:26.25 | nyov | tarzeau: sorry, I got confused there |
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| 13:29.17 | apatheticsheep | nyov: that could lead down a path of creating a load of empty files just so that they can be removed. /usr/share/uim/lib/ doesn't exist |
| 13:30.52 | ratrace | Anyone familiar with initramfs shenanigans. That's busybox, methinks? So anyway, I'm developing some custom crypto scripts for initramfs, and for debugging I use the (busybox?) shell's input command to prompt for passphrase. |
| 13:31.12 | ratrace | for some reason, it is losing keystrokes. If I type too fast, it'll skip many of them |
| 13:31.32 | ratrace | so I have to type very, unnaturally slowly, for it to catch every keystroke.... WTH is that? |
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| 13:32.45 | nyov | apatheticsheep: I don't think so. it's just a broken uninstall routine from what I can tell. just create the dir and touch the file, so it can uninstall it |
| 13:33.13 | nyov | then you can remove the whole bunch of useless packages normally after that ;) |
| 13:33.15 | nullroutedtospac | Not exactly familiar with initramfs, but it wasn't easy when I was playing around with PXE booting. |
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| 13:34.05 | nyov | ratrace: never heard of that happening, I think. luckily. |
| 13:34.08 | ratrace | nullroutedtospac: yea default initramfs.... tools... for crypto are abysmal. in this case, it lacks support for dm-integrity with LUKS, so I have to build my own. |
| 13:34.48 | nyov | you could try to base it around a token instead of a passphrase? |
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| 13:35.30 | nyov | I did that with a usb stick before. if the special stick isn't plugged in, it won't boot. because I hate passwords on boot |
| 13:35.59 | ratrace | nyov: that's beside the point. I need a fallback which I'm using the `input` command for. I'm not using crypttab or cryptsetup-initramfs at all (because they lack the said support for dm-integrity) |
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| 13:36.34 | nyov | input command? sorry, I don't follow |
| 13:36.58 | ratrace | eh sorry, i'm confusioning with python :) the shell's `read -p` |
| 13:38.58 | ratrace | I'll look through cryptsetup's own unlocking binaries and see if I can reuse those. But funny about that `read` thing skipping keystrokes. |
| 13:42.18 | nyov | maybe some weirdness in busybox' ash, or your terminal there. no idea |
| 13:42.52 | ratrace | the console is fine, cryptsetup's own unlocking tools (via cryptsetup-initramfs and crypttab) work as expected in this caes. |
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| 13:43.09 | ratrace | so yeah, something in that busybox shell is wrong... |
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| 13:46.02 | nifker | I am missing a local cert of "Thawte TLS RSA CA G1" Digicert - does debian provide these certs? |
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| 13:51.29 | ratrace | nifker: should be supported by ca-certificates package |
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| 13:53.20 | apatheticsheep | looks like purging the package worked. |
| 13:53.24 | apatheticsheep | thanks!! |
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| 14:12.34 | nifker | ratrace: I have it but python script reports me this: ssl.SSLCertVerificationError: [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: unable to get local issuer certificate (_ssl.c:1076) |
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| 14:20.43 | ratrace | nifker: maybe the remote side is missing intermediaries? have you tried checking _them_ with ssllabs.com or similar? |
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| 14:23.40 | nifker | ratrace: or can I make an exception for that cert globally somehow? |
| 14:23.58 | nifker | it seems to have a chain issue |
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| 14:25.32 | f8e3 | nedbat: good stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnSu9hHGq5o |
| 14:25.51 | nyov | you should probly rather fix the chain issue |
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| 14:27.05 | nifker | nyov: how should I? |
| 14:27.08 | nifker | its not my site |
| 14:27.22 | nyov | wo it's a website? |
| 14:27.29 | nifker | ye |
| 14:27.36 | nifker | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=streams.ilovemusic.de |
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| 14:30.37 | nyov | huhm. you can download the intermediary. let me check that |
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| 14:37.51 | Akuw | i have a installation USB Stick but want to use it to install a new vm, actually if i insert in my usb in a physical computer this start fine, but when i want to start to install a vm this show me efi folder |
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| 14:39.32 | ratrace | Akuw: which hypervisor? |
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| 14:40.09 | Akuw | virt-manager |
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| 14:41.26 | Akuw | better, how can i convert that USB Stick to an ISO |
| 14:41.58 | nyov | nifker: sorry I got called away. you can grab the intermediary from that ssllabs page, or from your browser maybe. |
| 14:42.29 | ratrace | Akuw: you can download the ISO from debian.org |
| 14:42.52 | Akuw | i have custom one |
| 14:43.03 | Akuw | so i need to create the ISO from that |
| 14:43.14 | Akuw | it has a pressed config too |
| 14:43.18 | nyov | nifker: if you go to the " [Hide Certification Paths] Certification Paths" topic, there is a download button on the right. ("Path #1: Trusted") cert 2 would be the intermediary |
| 14:44.32 | nifker | you mean the chain? |
| 14:45.01 | nyov | if you save that to a ThawteTLSRSACAG1.pem file into /etc/ssl/certs, and run "sudo c_rehash /etc/ssl/certs" it should then get recognized |
| 14:45.23 | nyov | nifker: yeah, but you only need the one in the middle. not the root and not the server's cert |
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| 14:50.11 | nyov | if you want to check it first, you can run this on the cert: cat my.pem | openssl x509 -noout -text -issuer -subject -dates -hash -fingerprint |
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| 14:58.37 | nyov | I see ssllabs is now marking CBC and GCM-with-RSA as weak. Anyone else thinks our cryptographic cipher list is shrinking quite a bit in recent years? |
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| 15:00.07 | nyov | i'm not a crypto expert, but I'd guess with less diversity the big actors will enjoy having more crunching power on the fewer cipher combinations |
| 15:00.46 | tomreyn | thrashing what's known to be weak does make a lot of sense |
| 15:01.25 | nyov | I'm not saying it doesn't. but where does overzealous start? |
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| 15:01.50 | tomreyn | the problem is that there have been way too many too slow movers in the past. crypto agility was also difficult for compatibility reasons but this situation is actually a lot better from TLS 1.3 onwards |
| 15:02.23 | nyov | that's good to hear |
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| 15:02.38 | Akuw | how can i convert a .img to .iso ? |
| 15:02.42 | ratrace | it never was about diversity per se. if anything, it makes the security audits harder. things that are no longer supported are simply found too flawed, vulnerable or outright broken. |
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| 15:04.17 | tomreyn | i find deprecation of TLS <= 1.1 to make a lot things easier actually. |
| 15:04.41 | nyov | Akuw: what's the img? if it's bin/cue style, you can try bchunk |
| 15:04.52 | Akuw | finished |
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| 15:05.08 | Akuw | iat image.img image.iso |
| 15:05.44 | nyov | tomreyn: in which way? |
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| 15:06.38 | nyov | for the crypto software? |
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| 15:09.07 | tomreyn | nyov: in terms of software and deployment testing complexity, in terms of what software needs to support. |
| 15:09.17 | nyov | ok |
| 15:09.54 | nyov | nifker: did that work, btw? |
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| 15:13.39 | SwedeMike | &win 207 |
| 15:13.42 | SwedeMike | oh |
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| 15:14.22 | nyov | you have 200 windows? :o |
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| 15:20.39 | nifker | nyov: yes it did, thanks |
| 15:21.01 | nyov | cool |
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| 15:44.29 | joshuaBPMan | Hey debian! I've got a question for you. Which is "better": 1) |
| 15:44.29 | joshuaBPMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.29 | joshuaBPMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.29 | joshuaBPMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.51 | joshuaBPMan | Hey debian! I've got a question for you. Which is "better": 1) Install Wordpress on debian via the Wordpress package ya'll provide....OR downloading the wordpress source code directly and using that? |
| 15:45.21 | joshuaBPMan | I feel like downloading the wordpress source code directly may let me install other wordpress packages more easily... |
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| 15:46.35 | mtn | joshuaBPMan: using the package manager is usually "best" |
| 15:46.43 | mtn | joshuaBPMan: what is best is your choice |
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| 15:47.49 | c0rnelius_ | would be more up to update i'm sure if you got it from the source. like drupal and such. |
| 15:48.12 | joshuaBPMan | mtn: may I ask why the package manager is usually best? I tend to agree with you, but I guess I've always just downloaded the sources directly... |
| 15:48.36 | joshuaBPMan | I am just a bit nervous about learning something new. I suppose I'll try the debian wordpress package today. |
| 15:48.37 | joshuaBPMan | thanks! |
| 15:49.11 | mtn | joshuaBPMan: because the package from the package manager will work and is supported |
| 15:50.15 | adikt | is there a downside to downloading the updated .deb files from sources and using the sudo apt install /path/.deb instead of the default package? |
| 15:50.26 | adikt | sorry if that's a dumb question |
| 15:51.10 | petn-randall | adikt: from which sources? |
| 15:51.23 | petn-randall | Those aren't source packages, those are binary packages. |
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| 15:52.42 | joshuaBPMan | mtn: thanks! |
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| 15:52.50 | mtn | joshuaBPMan: welcome |
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| 15:56.25 | adikt | petn-randall, i think i understand how dumb my question was now.. thanks for the assistance! |
| 15:57.19 | petn-randall | adikt: It's not a dumb question, it's rather imprecise, which is why I asked. |
| 15:57.43 | adikt | i kind of assumed kde, for example, could be installed via .deb packages.. some programs can.. i play openttd for example, and can download the updated version .deb and install the way i said |
| 15:57.50 | adikt | but the default command installs a past version |
| 15:58.00 | petn-randall | adikt: Yeah, but where are you downloading it from? |
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| 15:58.06 | adikt | so my question is if i wanted to uninstall gimp or whatever and install the updated version |
| 15:58.14 | adikt | is there a downside? |
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| 15:59.01 | petn-randall | adikt: As a rule of thumb, you should install only packages from the Debian repos, as they provide cryptographic verification that the packages weren't tampered with. If you download those packages by hand, there is no verification. |
| 15:59.35 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 15:59.45 | petn-randall | adikt: Also, it really depends *where* you're downloading them from. There aren't many repos that are compatible with Debian stable. For example mixing testing and stable sources.list entries will cause breakage on your system. |
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| 16:00.55 | adikt | i migrated from linux mint basically... it is my belief that the new linux kernel conflicts with legacy nvidia drivers... and they told me as a fix to buy a new card... my debian system is more stable than the mint one but it took a bit more to setup |
| 16:01.03 | adikt | don't want to break something doing something dumb |
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| 16:02.10 | petn-randall | Ok, so you're running Debian ... stable? And which packages are you downloading from where? |
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| 16:05.15 | ghormoon | hi, I've stumbled upon that in lxc, if i upgrade a debian container to buster, some services fial to start and need lxc.apparmor.allow_nesting = 1 added, though this option is already in /etc/lxc/default.conf -> do i need to do anything in the config file to get the defaults applied? whould i include it explicitly? |
| 16:06.27 | ghormoon | took it from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=916644 |
| 16:06.28 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916644 in src:debci (closed): «Adjust LXC containers' AppArmor configuration once ci.debian.net runs Buster»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2018-12-16; last modified: 2019-03-25. |
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| 16:14.24 | ventura | debian |
| 16:15.28 | debianJay | buster |
| 16:16.03 | ventura | Really dummy question related to distributing packages with apt: i need to share code with ruby and python packages, thus i will code it in C/C++ |
| 16:16.23 | ventura | should i create a common package blabla or blabla-dev package? |
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| 16:18.08 | debianJay | What do you mean by "share code"? |
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| 16:18.57 | ventura | it will be available at PPA |
| 16:19.12 | ventura | and will be a dynamic dependency of the other projects |
| 16:19.13 | dob1 | how can I search in a file for \xFFFD ? |
| 16:19.42 | ventura | @debianJay maybe I am using the wrong approach, it is the first time I do this |
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| 16:22.57 | debianJay | @ventura If you mean that you're going to distribute it as a PPA... you can probably do both |
| 16:23.21 | debianJay | @ventura on a PPA* |
| 16:24.04 | debianJay | @ventura you can have -dev if you want to distribute c headers with it |
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| 16:24.30 | nyov | dob1: are you sure the file has literal replacement characters inside? or are you just opening files with the wrong charset? |
| 16:25.44 | nyov | dob1: if it has, just use grep for it: grep -oP '�' myfile |
| 16:26.04 | dob1 | nyov, I think the first |
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| 16:26.19 | nyov | or "grep -oP $(printf %b \\Ufffd) myfile" |
| 16:26.25 | dob1 | I am reading this data from a database, I have no clue for the encoding |
| 16:26.29 | f8e3 | on deb10.2 i was surprised to find lots of google features turned off by default (good!), who did that, eg the autologin feature to website connected to the chromium profile? |
| 16:26.34 | greycat | nyov: that's missing quotes. |
| 16:26.39 | debianJay | if it has literal unicode you need to use a term emulator that supports it |
| 16:26.42 | nyov | dob1: okay, then can you figure out the likely encoding? |
| 16:26.42 | greycat | if you're in bash, you can just use $'\ufffd' |
| 16:26.46 | nyov | greycat: ah ok |
| 16:26.53 | debianJay | ^^ |
| 16:27.28 | dob1 | it seems it doesn't contains this character |
| 16:27.34 | greycat | as in, grep $'\ufffd' file |
| 16:27.50 | greycat | But it might be more useful to hex-dump the file, and then look at the hex bytes instead. |
| 16:27.51 | dob1 | found it! |
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| 16:29.26 | jelly | f8e3: either chromium upstream (compared to google chrome build), or more likely debian maintainer(s) for chromium package |
| 16:30.30 | jelly | f8e3: check the package changelog and other *.Debian* files in /usr/share/doc/chromium/ |
| 16:30.31 | dob1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.50 | dob1 | never seen Non-ISO |
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| 16:31.41 | jelly | dob1: something that "file" tool could not detect easily, but that contains bytes that are illegal in ISO-8859-* 8bit encondings |
| 16:32.01 | nyov | the most often seen encoding at all is windows-1252, so I would try that first |
| 16:32.04 | jelly | encodings |
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| 16:32.24 | jelly | nyov: "most often seen" windows-* will depend on locale |
| 16:32.45 | greycat | most often seen in the US, probably |
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| 16:32.57 | jelly | US is not "all" |
| 16:32.59 | nyov | which by extension means the internet ;) |
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| 16:33.05 | dob1 | it's written in Italian for sure |
| 16:33.24 | dob1 | the character I found to be '\ufffd' it was an accent |
| 16:33.31 | jelly | that might in fact be windows-1252 then, Western European |
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| 16:33.52 | bane500 | Was wondering if anyone here kinda new how display managers work (xorg, x11, sddm, etc), if they serve the same function and how they interact with your graphics driver |
| 16:34.04 | dob1 | jelly, the accents on windows-1252 and iso8859 are differents? |
| 16:34.24 | greycat | There are some differences between WIN1252 and Latin-1, yes. |
| 16:34.32 | dob1 | every time there is encoding involved is a mess! |
| 16:34.35 | jelly | many code points are exactly the same but not all |
| 16:35.02 | greycat | There's just enough overlap that it's easy to mistake one for the other, to the point that HTML actually caved in and codified the *wrong one*. |
| 16:35.08 | nyov | that's why it's so baffeling mos often |
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| 16:35.23 | jelly | because the vendor absolutely had to put ® and © in each encoding |
| 16:35.57 | dob1 | but file doesn't detect windows1252? |
| 16:36.11 | nyov | dob1: I think you could try this: "iconv -f windows-1252 -t utf-8 myfile > utf8file" |
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| 16:36.30 | debianJay | @bane500 xorg/x11 are not display managers per se, you're probably thinking of xdm |
| 16:36.32 | dob1 | nyov, I am thinking how to, at least, guess the start encoding |
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| 16:37.17 | nyov | guessing doesn't really work. beautifulsoup has code that tries, though. don't know about others |
| 16:37.46 | jelly | ,i uchardet |
| 16:37.48 | judd | Package uchardet (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: universal charset detection library - cli utility. Version: 0.0.6-3; Size: 13.6k; Installed: 50k; Homepage: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/uchardet/ |
| 16:37.59 | jelly | (untested) |
| 16:38.11 | jelly | (I just did apt-cache search encoding |grep -i detect) |
| 16:38.17 | dob1 | I now it's always a guess, even file it's guessing, am I right? |
| 16:38.18 | nyov | nice find |
| 16:38.20 | dob1 | *know |
| 16:38.24 | greycat | Worth a try. It can't be any worse than the utilities that overwrite your input file by default. |
| 16:38.28 | jelly | dob1: correct |
| 16:38.51 | dob1 | I will take a look, thanks |
| 16:38.57 | jelly | I used to use some perl module |
| 16:39.01 | jelly | ,i libencode-detect-perl |
| 16:39.02 | judd | Package libencode-detect-perl (perl, optional) in buster/amd64: Encode::Encoding subclass that detects the encoding of data. Version: 1.01-5+b1; Size: 65.7k; Installed: 189k; Homepage: https://metacpan.org/release/Encode-Detect |
| 16:39.04 | jelly | maybe |
| 16:39.15 | dob1 | I hope all the ppl will use utf8 :) I have these enconding issue... |
| 16:39.22 | dob1 | *hate |
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| 16:40.15 | nyov | this is another beef of mine... why do we in 2020, still friggin depend on file endings and magic mime type detection for files? |
| 16:40.24 | jelly | oh, merely guessing input that's valid is _easy_. Getting correct text out of doubly encoded articles in some old mysql 4.x, that's great fun |
| 16:41.06 | jelly | nyov: because noone but MacOS uses metadata file streams in a decent way |
| 16:41.50 | dob1 | jelly, and where it puts metadata macos? |
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| 16:44.19 | jelly | dob1: each file has a separate hidden file next to it, describing what kind of information is in the file |
| 16:44.41 | jelly | (MacOS has done that before OSX) |
| 16:45.47 | jelly | "resources forks" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_File_System |
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| 16:46.59 | jelly | I don't know what they do today, probably put metadata in extended attributes |
| 16:47.22 | dob1 | so it's stored in the filesystem, it's not something like BOM |
| 16:47.30 | nyov | no |
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| 16:47.39 | nyov | it's outside the actual file |
| 16:47.54 | dob1 | it seems a good solution |
| 16:48.08 | jelly | it's certainly better than, say, mp3id |
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| 16:49.55 | nyov | on the downside, you need to read an _extra_ file every time you read a file. or an xattr store, however the FS implements that |
| 16:50.30 | dob1 | and no attemps to do something similar for linux / gnu ? |
| 16:50.43 | nyov | linux has xattrs |
| 16:51.10 | nyov | but it's not used as uniformly. or much at all, i guess |
| 16:52.24 | nyov | and you have to take care not to lose them. on copy, on move, on file-edits... (because vim likes to re-create files instead of rewriting them) quite horrible |
| 16:53.06 | greycat | not just vim. basically every unix tool. |
| 16:53.13 | nyov | does tar finally come with "--xattrs" by default? |
| 16:53.38 | greycat | buster yes, wheezy no, ... |
| 16:53.43 | nyov | nice |
| 16:53.49 | greycat | stretch yes... |
| 16:54.09 | greycat | jessie yes. so, added in jessie. |
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| 16:54.21 | jelly | you had schily's star in wheezy if you wanted something that actually cared about storing everything |
| 16:54.23 | nyov | ah, another wrapper script I can trash |
| 16:56.02 | jelly | it also did ACLs. |
| 16:58.05 | jelly | ,bug rm star |
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| 16:58.08 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/564806 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: star -- RoM; unmaintained, low popcon, alternatives exist»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-01-12; last modified: 2010-04-07. |
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| 16:58.42 | jelly | okay, maybe it did not exist in wheezy |
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| 17:01.04 | adeel | how does the debian configuration scripts determine which NIC will be the default gateway? i've got 3 NICs, 2 set to DHCP, 1 static...it seems to default to the 'static ip' to be the default gateway |
| 17:01.32 | greycat | Change it by editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand. |
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| 17:01.51 | adeel | greycat: i did that, but it still doesn't behave as i want...the DHCP NIC should be the "default gw" path, not the static |
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| 17:02.04 | adeel | and the documentation is woefully lacking on this detail |
| 17:02.30 | adeel | most stuff i'm finding is trivial manual setup with iproute2 tools, which doesn't answer my question |
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| 17:03.17 | adeel | also, i've noticed that the network service doesn't pick up anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ when doing a 'systemctl restart networking' |
| 17:03.18 | jelly | adeel: remove "gateway" lines from static configurations if you don't those to be default gateways |
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| 17:03.43 | adeel | jelly: so the 'gateway' line is for default gateway? |
| 17:03.46 | jelly | yes |
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| 17:04.15 | adeel | jelly: so how do the debian folk expect you to do any kind of basic routing where various networks are only accessible via specific NICs in their config files? |
| 17:04.16 | jelly | man 5 interfaces |
| 17:04.56 | greycat | Only one interface, the one you select, should have a "gateway" line. Unless you're doing that fancy priority-based multiple-defaults thing that I do not understand. |
| 17:05.02 | jelly | adeel: add routes, but non-default more specific ones |
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| 17:06.18 | adeel | what package do i need to install to get the manpages? tried installing the manpages package, but now the man command isn't found? |
| 17:06.30 | jelly | judd: file bin/man$ |
| 17:06.35 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:06.40 | jelly | judd: file bin/man |
| 17:06.45 | judd | Search for bin/man in buster/amd64: man-db: usr/bin/man |
| 17:07.06 | jelly | man-db it is |
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| 17:07.37 | adeel | thanks |
| 17:07.57 | adeel | not going to lie, and i don't mean to be rude, but all this seems a lot more complicated than it really needs to be |
| 17:08.29 | jelly | yes |
| 17:08.29 | somiaj | adeel: the fact that you are missing standard packages sounds like you are doing something special |
| 17:08.32 | somiaj | !standard |
| 17:08.32 | dpkg | it has been said that standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
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| 17:09.09 | jelly | RH has had config files for routes for more than a decade, maybe more than two |
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| 17:09.38 | adeel | somiaj: i dont' normally administer debian based systems. Gentoo is my distro of choice |
| 17:10.01 | jelly | on debian, the easiest thing to do if you're still using interfaces(5) is to use generic up and down lines that call commands |
| 17:10.08 | somiaj | anyways, I'm surprised manpages dosen't at least recommend or suggest man-db |
| 17:10.55 | somiaj | oh wait it does, but it only suggests man-browser not recommends it |
| 17:11.05 | somiaj | (man-db is one of the packages that provide a man-browser) |
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| 17:11.20 | adeel | jelly: what are the "recommended" solutions for network management in debian then? |
| 17:11.24 | greycat | It does "suggest" man-browser, which is provided by man-db |
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| 17:11.33 | adeel | somiaj: i'm amazed that man-db is not a requirement for manpages |
| 17:11.47 | greycat | It's suggested by it. |
| 17:11.47 | somiaj | adeel: there are multiple man-browsers one could use |
| 17:11.57 | somiaj | hence it is only a suggested package but not required |
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| 17:12.22 | greycat | If you chose not to install the standard packages, then you're operating in the place where presumably disk space is an issue, so you don't want a bunch of extra stuff. |
| 17:12.26 | somiaj | but in general in debian if you want to core *nix, the standard priority is what needs to be installed. |
| 17:12.44 | somiaj | s/to/the/ |
| 17:13.35 | adeel | somiaj: what other manpage browsers exist in debian? the only one i've ever used has always been the standard 'man' command |
| 17:14.09 | greycat | "apt-cache showpkg man-browser" gives reverse provides of man-db, konqueror, jed-extra, and gman |
| 17:15.36 | bluejaypop | is there a way to add post install scripts on a .deb package? |
| 17:15.38 | adeel | greycat: 3 of those are graphical based |
| 17:15.50 | bluejaypop | good morning everybody ! :) |
| 17:15.51 | jelly | bluejaypop: unpack it, edit scripts, pack it back |
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| 17:15.56 | greycat | then it's a good thing the default is man-db :) |
| 17:16.08 | jelly | ,i gman |
| 17:16.09 | judd | Package gman (doc, optional) in buster/amd64: small man(1) front-end for X. Version: 0.9.3-5.2+b2; Size: 34.4k; Installed: 103k |
| 17:16.16 | somiaj | bluejaypop: you could also unpack it, edit the script in /var/lib/dpkg/parts/ then configure the package |
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| 17:16.30 | bluejaypop | I see |
| 17:16.44 | bluejaypop | thanks somiaj and jelly, i will review it. |
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| 17:18.09 | jelly | bluejaypop: also, apt has hooks that can be run before or after dpkg invocation, if you're installing packages with apt* (as you should) |
| 17:19.06 | bluejaypop | jelly, yes i'm still on test phase with a apt repository (locally) I will add an apt repository to a private software we have. |
| 17:19.18 | bluejaypop | still on development. |
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| 17:19.39 | jelly | if you have you own software, then add the scripts during package creation |
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| 17:19.55 | jelly | not after |
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| 17:22.52 | bluejaypop | jelly, I'm trying to add some crontabs for monitoring and cache and run one script after installation. |
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| 17:24.52 | pirla | Hello everyone. For the records, sl-modem-daemon is available for 32 bit only, so I had to dpkg --add-architecture i386, now everything works fine |
| 17:25.12 | pirla | Bluetooth is another story, long story short, I made it by installing gnome-bluetooth |
| 17:25.25 | pirla | Thanks so much for your help btw |
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| 17:32.27 | jelly | bluejaypop: the accepted option for packaged cron job is to ship them with the package, and put them in /etc/cron.d/packagename -- mind the column syntax with username in 6th column |
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| 17:34.39 | jelly | bluejaypop: eg. from a custom package at $work http://paste.debian.net/1128520/ |
| 17:35.30 | jelly | (repacked vendor backup software, with added install and init scripts and cleanup cron jobs) |
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| 17:35.52 | bluejaypop | ah!! I see how it works. |
| 17:37.18 | jelly | the file is also listed as a conffile in the deb |
| 17:37.29 | bluejaypop | jelly, thank you very much. |
| 17:37.34 | bluejaypop | conffile |
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| 17:40.21 | jelly | !conffile |
| 17:40.21 | dpkg | A conffile is a configuration file that is given special handling by dpkg to help preserve local changes; conffiles are listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$pkg.conffiles or by "dpkg --status $package". See Debian <policy> §10.7 (http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-config-files) for more information. Some packages use <ucf> as alternative way of managing config files. See also <confmiss>, <confnew>, <conffile check>. |
| 17:43.08 | bluejaypop | ah, everyday I learn something new. |
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| 18:09.41 | pirla | I can't use sd reader |
| 18:09.44 | pirla | any help? |
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| 18:11.04 | bluejaypop | pirla, what sd reader you have? |
| 18:11.14 | pirla | uhm, unsure |
| 18:11.22 | pirla | it's integrated |
| 18:11.58 | bluejaypop | when you insert a sd, have you checked on dmesg ? |
| 18:12.07 | pirla | I own a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro V3505 |
| 18:12.13 | pirla | no, trying |
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| 18:12.38 | pirla | no |
| 18:13.02 | jelly | I think some of those combo sd/bt chips need firmware |
| 18:13.16 | jelly | pirla: can you recognize the sd card reader in lspci or lsusb output? |
| 18:13.22 | pirla | Maybe. Should I use firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 18:13.45 | greycat | if firmware is required, you will see a message about it in dmesg |
| 18:13.46 | pirla | Yes, it's in lspci |
| 18:13.49 | greycat | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 18:14.16 | pirla | No, only wifi |
| 18:14.19 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: Try lspci -nn and post the eight-character PCI ID. |
| 18:14.29 | pirla | 0a:06.4 FLASH memory: ENE Technology Inc SD/MMC Card Reader Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:14.45 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: You need -nn to get the ID. |
| 18:14.51 | pirla | 1524:0551 |
| 18:15.03 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 1524:0551 |
| 18:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | judd pciid 1524:0551 |
| 18:15.25 | greycat | judd's tired |
| 18:15.34 | judd | [1524:0551] is 'SD/MMC Card Reader Controller' from 'ENE Technology Inc' with kernel module 'sdhci-pci' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1524:0551 |
| 18:15.38 | pirla | I don't have pciid |
| 18:15.46 | greycat | pirla: it was for the bot here, not for you |
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| 18:16.01 | pirla | Sorry |
| 18:16.16 | pirla | internal server error on the link |
| 18:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: so it should work with sdhci-pci, which should show up in lsmod. |
| 18:16.59 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: Often they only appear when a card is inserted. |
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| 18:18.05 | jelly | modinf sdhci-pci does not show any firmware |
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| 18:19.02 | pirla | I don't have such command. What should I install? |
| 18:19.36 | jelly | it's actually modinfo |
| 18:20.04 | greycat | or /sbin/modinfo if you're not currently in a shell with /sbin in PATH |
| 18:20.26 | jelly | that one could probably be in /bin |
| 18:20.37 | pirla | Did it |
| 18:20.45 | pirla | but displays strange numbers |
| 18:21.04 | greycat | It wasn't a thing you were being asked to run. It's a thing jelly ran locally on his machine, and he was reporting that it didn't indicate a need for firmware. |
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| 18:21.26 | pirla | Oh, I see |
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| 18:21.57 | jelly | alias: pci:v00001524d00000551sv*sd*bc*sc*i* |
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| 18:22.13 | jelly | this means the driver will try to bind the matching hardware |
| 18:22.36 | McErroneous | Hi, how do i prevent iptables logging of dumping loggin messages to my tty/screen session |
| 18:22.45 | McErroneous | ? |
| 18:22.49 | jelly | it's [1524:0551] just written slightly different |
| 18:23.24 | McErroneous | it is cluttering up my screen session |
| 18:23.53 | jelly | McErroneous: either use an X or wayland session instead of text console, or hide messages shown on console by kernel's printk function |
| 18:23.56 | jelly | !printk |
| 18:23.56 | dpkg | hmm... printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
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| 18:24.41 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: Perhaps adjust the offending rule(s) to not log. |
| 18:25.08 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: Or maybe change the log level in the syslog config. |
| 18:25.09 | McErroneous | jhutchins_wk: sound good... |
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| 18:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: iirc there is a line that specifies which priority messages are sent to the console. |
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| 18:27.15 | jhutchins_wk | Us old mainframe operators were used to having the syslog on a display that we could watch or switch to, for a while we set that up on one of the Alt-F consoles. |
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| 18:35.00 | pirla | Sorry, I had to reboot |
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| 18:37.42 | pirla | I'm being disconnected for unknown reasons |
| 18:37.56 | pirla | What can I do for the sd reader? |
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| 18:41.20 | b1ack0p | sup |
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| 18:48.56 | jelly | pirla: how odl or how new is this laptop model? Maybe try a newer kernel |
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| 18:49.54 | pirla | It's a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro V3505 |
| 18:50.21 | pirla | I don't think I need a new Kernel, hardware it's quite old |
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| 19:00.59 | McErroneous | jhutchins_wk: cant message you, need to login to services... |
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| 19:02.07 | pirla | Same as above, please, help |
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| 19:11.29 | silentz0r | hey, I have a server that keeps on shutting down. Is there any way I can detect hardware issues? I've tried watching lm-sensors for temperatures but they seem fine even up until the point the server shuts down. Any other ideas? |
| 19:12.13 | ayekat | silentz0r: check the journal for the previous boot |
| 19:12.24 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: WE usually try to keep the conversations here in public, that way other people can learn and can correct errors. |
| 19:12.34 | ayekat | (might need to make it persistent - by default it's not) |
| 19:12.52 | silentz0r | ayekat: was about to say so, default isn't on and mine isn't |
| 19:13.05 | jhutchins_wk | McErroneous: Some peopple are downright touchy about uninvited PMs, I figure it's just part of being on the internet. |
| 19:13.06 | silentz0r | and unfortunately the server's gonna crash within the hour or so |
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| 19:13.26 | silentz0r | so even if I enable it I won't have physical access to it until later |
| 19:13.32 | silentz0r | anything I can check while it's running? |
| 19:13.58 | jhutchins_wk | silentz0r: Look for oom messages. |
| 19:14.03 | ayekat | live-transmitting logs to another server...? rsyslog or similar (though I've never set up anything like that, so I won't be able to help there) |
| 19:14.26 | greycat | rsyslogd would be the obvious first choice |
| 19:14.28 | jhutchins_wk | silentz0r: How does it "crash"? Physical power-off? Application freeze? Network drop? |
| 19:15.22 | ayekat | silentz0r: I'd enable persistent journaling anyway, regardless of the issue |
| 19:15.26 | silentz0r | jhutchins_wk: it's a server so I don't have access to any of that info |
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| 19:15.41 | silentz0r | ayekat: yeah I'm about to do that for sure, just wondering if I can debug this without it |
| 19:15.43 | jhutchins_wk | ayekat: The problem with that is that the "crash" usually stops whatever might have written something useful. |
| 19:16.02 | ayekat | jhutchins_wk: there might still be useful indicators beforehand - but I guess you're right |
| 19:16.06 | ayekat | +1 for rsyslog |
| 19:16.08 | jhutchins_wk | silentz0r: How do you know it crashed? |
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| 19:18.17 | pirla | So, anyone for my SD card? |
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| 19:25.27 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: It should work with sdhci-pci, which should show up in lsmod. |
| 19:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | It might not load the module until a card is inserted. |
| 19:26.18 | greycat | I don't recall seeing a description of the actual *problem* yet. "I insert a card, and ___ happens" "I tried ___ and instead of saying ___ it said ___" |
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| 19:32.23 | silentz0r | jhutchins_wk: I ssh onto it a lot and once it's unavailable I have confirmed that it's also shut down (physically) though I don't have constant physical access to it |
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| 19:39.21 | pirla | Module is loaded |
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| 19:39.37 | pirla | Sorry, I've been busy with other stuff |
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| 19:40.22 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: That's irc. |
| 19:40.38 | pirla | What do you mean? |
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| 19:40.51 | annadane | what's the difference between cinnamon and cinnamon-core? apt showing doesn't give too many hints |
| 19:40.59 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: Wandering off into real life. |
| 19:41.12 | pirla | What is "wandering"? |
| 19:41.13 | jhutchins_wk | !cinnamon |
| 19:41.14 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 19:41.26 | annadane | from what i can tell cinnamon-desktop-environment is full, cinnamon is a common selection of debian stuff and cinnamon-core is minimal |
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| 19:41.47 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: To walk aimlessly, without a goal. To make spontaneous changes in direction/focus. |
| 19:42.00 | pirla | Oh, so I wander a lot! LOL |
| 19:42.03 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: "busy with other stuff". |
| 19:42.12 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/1128542/ |
| 19:42.13 | pirla | yep |
| 19:42.31 | annadane | blah, the left-right scrollbar of doom |
| 19:42.43 | annadane | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1128542/ |
| 19:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: I was suggesting tht the mint site/channel might have more info. |
| 19:43.43 | pirla | So, the kernel module is loaded. What's next? |
| 19:43.47 | annadane | i think it's just 3 different tiers of stuff |
| 19:43.54 | annadane | kde has similar |
| 19:44.02 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: Put in a known good card, look for evidence it was detected. |
| 19:44.15 | pirla | how? |
| 19:44.31 | greycat | usually by running dmesg. what the hell have you been DOING all this time? |
| 19:44.42 | greycat | just sitting there waiting for someone to tell you what to do? |
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| 19:44.48 | pirla | LOL messing with the phone |
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| 19:45.32 | pirla | No, no evidence |
| 19:46.18 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: That sounds like hardware failure. |
| 19:46.58 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: SD or MicroSD? |
| 19:47.06 | pirla | I guess you're right, because I have no USB Card Reader in HardInfo |
| 19:47.11 | pirla | SD |
| 19:47.39 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: How do you know the card is good? |
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| 19:47.54 | pirla | Because I also used it with my SmartPhone |
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| 19:50.18 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: Well, it could be in some odd filesystem format that Linux can't see, but it should at least report "unrecognized device" or something. |
| 19:51.36 | pirla | No, it's fat32 |
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| 19:53.18 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Device is pretty old. |
| 19:53.30 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Sry, SB. |
| 19:53.55 | jhutchins_wk | pirla: There are lots of reports of that and similar models not working, in spite of the pciid listing. |
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| 19:57.16 | pirla | maybe I can try this pciid? |
| 19:57.38 | greycat | the PCI ID is the 8-digit hex number that we asked judd about earlier |
| 19:57.57 | pirla | Oh, ok |
| 19:58.08 | greycat | judd reported that your device *should* be supported according to kmuto. unfortunately kmuto is down, and that database of devices and drivers is not well maintained these days. |
| 19:58.09 | pirla | I lost the command because of closing and reopening the chat window |
| 19:58.33 | greycat | It's not a "command". It was a request made to a bot. |
| 19:58.47 | pirla | I recall now, sorry |
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| 20:00.20 | pirla | I drop it |
| 20:00.51 | pirla | Sorry, I have to mess with my sp some more. Bye |
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| 20:02.06 | empresses | tempted to edit .unit files to alter how a service is executed. Do upgrades replace them sometimes? |
| 20:03.18 | greycat | If you want to make large changes, copy the unit to /etc/systemd/system/ (or wherever is correct) and change that copy. Or use "systemctl edit" which does that for you. To make small changes, create a drop-in foobar.d directory there. |
| 20:04.01 | greycat | /etc/systemd/system/FOO.service overrides /lib/systemd/system/FOO.service, and yes, the latter may be replaced upon a package upgrade; your local changes in /etc/ are kept |
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| 20:12.41 | empresses | thanks |
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| 20:44.10 | roflbot | hi guys, I got a box with 12 SSD's that I would like to raid up for storage for virtual kvm machines. Anyone can give me some good advice? biggest raid 10 ive done so far is 4 disks, so not sure what to do when I got this many |
| 20:44.35 | roflbot | maybe split them up in some raid10's, and lvm'them together? |
| 20:44.45 | roflbot | or a huge raid6? |
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| 20:45.13 | greycat | I'd either do one RAID6 with all disks, or two RAID5s. |
| 20:45.42 | f8e3 | (g)parted does not support exFat for PART-TYPE yet i ahve exfat-* installed? |
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| 20:46.30 | roflbot | greycat: thanks for advice |
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| 20:48.01 | roflbot | with this many disks the extra write penalty on the SSD's probably is not very big. The read speed will be huge I guess. |
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| 20:52.17 | GNU\colossus | my advice: don't use partiy RAID on SSDs. |
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| 20:52.45 | GNU\colossus | also, try to avoid RAID10, because that induces having to choose a stripe size, and that often ruins discard/TRIM performance |
| 20:53.50 | GNU\colossus | (we have pairs in RAID1, and those as PVs in a linear LVM2 VG) |
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| 21:21.42 | f8e3 | having mkfs.exfat'ed, the fdisk shows Type: W95 FAT32 still, yet its exFat sure, anything still need to be done after fdisk and mkfs.exfat on the partition? |
| 21:22.49 | roflbot | GNU\colossus: hm didnt know about the issue with striping and trim |
| 21:23.47 | roflbot | GNU\colossus: why would lots of SSD's in raid6 be a bad idea? will the extra writing of parity slow things down a lot? |
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| 21:26.28 | roflbot | I like the idea of one raid6, since I dont waste as much space. And in my understanding (I could be horribly wrong) the extra writes is not a big issue, since it is rotating on 12 disks |
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| 21:29.38 | jhutchins_wk | f8e3: The FS flag is set, not determined by the actual format. |
| 21:30.09 | jhutchins_wk | f8e3: fdisk uses the t to set type, l to list types. |
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| 22:55.48 | kreyren | What is the debian way to make sure that `dhclient ADAPTER` is executed so that i can SSH in without login? |
| 22:55.56 | kreyren | (it doesn't do it atm) |
| 22:57.00 | nkuttler | do you mean interface? |
| 22:57.16 | nkuttler | man 5 interfaces i guess |
| 22:57.35 | kreyren | nkuttler, eh? expecting to have working ethernet on boot without the need to execute `dhclient ADAPTER` |
| 22:57.45 | nkuttler | kreyren: man 5 interfaces |
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| 22:58.44 | kreyren | nkuttler, like this? https://linx.li/s/8bjd5hd2.png |
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| 23:00.12 | nkuttler | kreyren: no. please use paste.debian.net |
| 23:01.01 | kreyren | nkuttler, do you mind ix.io? - http://ix.io/28Q2 |
| 23:01.26 | nkuttler | kreyren: please read EXAMPLE, FILE FORMAT and INTERFACE SELECTION |
| 23:01.59 | kreyren | nkuttler, mension was already there for enp4s0 i changed it on enp7s0 which is expected adapter, reading though |
| 23:02.50 | nkuttler | kreyren: what's actually not working? |
| 23:03.02 | kreyren | nkuttler, network after boot |
| 23:03.10 | nkuttler | what does that mean? |
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| 23:03.23 | nkuttler | is the interface not up? does it not make dhcp requests? is your dhcpd down? |
| 23:03.29 | kreyren | ping 1.1.1.1 doesn't work unless `dhclient enp7s0` is invoked |
| 23:03.58 | kreyren | from what i understand the interface is down and using `dhclient enp7s0` takes it up and assigns IP to it |
| 23:04.09 | kreyren | sucks at networking and he sees it as black magic |
| 23:04.29 | nkuttler | kreyren: what happens if you run ifup enp7s0 instead of dhclient? |
| 23:05.09 | kreyren | nkuttler, can i kill dhclient somehow so that i woudn't have to reboot? |
| 23:05.17 | kreyren | is currently on affected system |
| 23:05.57 | kreyren | i reboot then |
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| 23:09.17 | kreyren[m] | ifup: interface enp7s0 already configured |
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| 23:13.50 | kreyren[m] | nwm it works now after the changes in etc network interface |
| 23:13.52 | kreyren[m] | thanks for help |
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| 23:14.32 | dvs | what changes |
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| 23:55.36 | Bushmaster | Hello, I am seeking solicitation. I cant get into network via ssh |
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