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| 00:04.47 | CoT2PorC | anyway, this client is nice. I've also managed to join a channel with ESP2666 - would be considered as a bouncer here |
| 00:06.10 | CoT2PorC | but I could get in touch with the admin through serial port, asking me if I was a bouncer |
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| 00:08.49 | CoT2PorC | so he was amused by the trick but you only have to change the nick and channel through the code of ESP to be flashed |
| 00:11.19 | CoT2PorC | salut Brawcks |
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| 00:19.27 | Scrimfx | im using anticaptcha API, to break recaptcha v2 , anyone know how can i "submit" after get token ? |
| 00:20.02 | Scrimfx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.09 | Scrimfx | have error here |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | Scrimfx: this is a support channel for Debian |
| 00:21.01 | Scrimfx | omg |
| 00:21.03 | Scrimfx | sorry |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | Cheers! |
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| 00:23.50 | ratrace | see this is why we can't have nice things. |
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| 00:37.24 | marbar | hello all. i just got buster running after an upgrade from stretch. seems cool so far. does anyone know how to create a new workspace? |
| 00:37.40 | marbar | also, does anyone know how to get both monitors on the same workspace? |
| 00:37.55 | marbar | (thanks for your help :) |
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| 00:43.39 | marbar | ah, i see how the workspace adding seems to work. is there a way to have both monitors in the same workspace? thanks :) |
| 00:44.52 | nyov | unhelpful idea: clean up ypur workspace so there is enough space for both monitors to fit |
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| 00:47.47 | nsa_ | can i experiment with any sensibilty by replacing X with wayland and use gnome as the desktop ? |
| 00:48.40 | nsa_ | in ooder werds, do it werk ? |
| 00:50.43 | nyov | in theory, it should |
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| 00:52.19 | ratrace | not if you nvidia tho |
| 00:52.31 | nyov | nvidia who? |
| 00:52.34 | nyov | :D |
| 00:53.03 | marbar | oops got it working, thanks! |
| 00:57.35 | nsa_ | hmm it's a chromebook looks like the i915 module is for the video |
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| 01:09.29 | TriDefaults | usher syndromatic brought up something interesting...has pigeon signing been brought up? |
| 01:09.50 | TriDefaults | (a variation of ASL) |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | I think you're in the wrong channel |
| 01:10.55 | TriDefaults | fml, my bad. |
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| 01:59.05 | marbar | hello all. happily running buster (after some issues upgrading from stretch). wondering if anyone has recommendations on the best/easiest way to adjust my terminal opacity? |
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| 02:02.57 | ryouma | what issues? |
| 02:03.35 | marbar | oh, well, it wouldn't boot initially. i managed to get into recovery mode and there was no internet. all fixed now. |
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| 02:04.01 | ryouma | ugh. i really fear that the most. |
| 02:04.21 | ryouma | especially because that level is usually not acessible with dark screen and large fonts |
| 02:04.24 | marbar | yeah, it's certainly a risk, but not upgrading gets you in a worse spot eventually |
| 02:04.33 | Sark | I'm still running Jessie on my main workstation... I do kinda want to upgrade but at the same time I'm afraid of breaking all my X configuration that took so long to get right. |
| 02:04.44 | Sark | Sure, I can back up my xorg.conf, but I know *something* will require adjusting. |
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| 02:06.19 | marbar | regarding terminal opacity, i've been reading up and it seems that it's supposed to be handled by gnome/wayland, but i don't see any settings for it. |
| 02:06.26 | ryouma | i'm not sure what to do to deal with forks. like, you start with jessie, upgrade, make changes, then realize you want tos tart with jessie again and upgrade and want the same changes |
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| 02:06.31 | marbar | i used to use compton, but i don't think i can anymore |
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| 02:07.33 | marbar | also tried devilspie, but it seems to only work w/ X11 |
| 02:07.56 | marbar | (compton tells me there's already a compositor running) |
| 02:08.08 | Sark | Is there a benefit to wayland? I've heard a lot of people using it, but it seems unfinished. |
| 02:08.27 | nyov | Sark: define "a lot" |
| 02:08.50 | Sark | Heh, true, not very many... but some people. |
| 02:08.54 | Sark | At least two. |
| 02:09.46 | Sark | I played with it a little, but found it totally unusable because, at the time, it lacked network support. |
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| 02:09.58 | Sark | When they finish it and it's feature complete, then it's probably worth changing over. |
| 02:10.38 | nyov | no idea, I haven't looked at it in a while |
| 02:10.57 | Sark | Me either. They might have updated it since last I saw it. |
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| 02:11.18 | nyov | I hoped it would allow me to use graphics cards over the network or something. but alas, nope |
| 02:11.39 | Sark | It wouldn't let you use anything over the network. Like, that just didn't exist at all when I played with it. |
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| 02:28.07 | marbar | wayland is the default for buster, right? does anyone know the recommended way to make terminals transparent in wayland? the Transparent Window extension doesn't seem to work :/ |
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| 02:29.01 | ratrace | it's default if you choose gnome desktop |
| 02:29.37 | marbar | i see. well gnome desktop appears to be the default now. i previously used openbox and compton, but the buster upgrade seems to have obliterated that. |
| 02:31.14 | ratrace | pretty sure you can still use that. my workstation, for example, is i3wm. I never selected desktop during installation, and I set it up after reboot. |
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| 02:32.24 | Sark | That's how I have always installed Debian. I just install X after the fact, only install what I want. |
| 02:32.35 | Sark | The installer is just to partition the disk and load the base system. |
| 02:32.51 | ratrace | right. |
| 02:33.12 | Sark | I don't like bloated desktop environments so I never install one. |
| 02:33.16 | Sark | pets twm |
| 02:33.23 | Sark | Good window manager. |
| 02:34.32 | marbar | right. well i just upgraded from stretch to buster, and that's what happened, i guess. |
| 02:34.57 | ratrace | what exactly happened? both compoton and openbox are alive and well in buster |
| 02:35.00 | ratrace | ,v openbox |
| 02:35.02 | judd | Package: openbox on amd64 -- jessie: 3.5.2-8+deb8u1; stretch: 3.6.1-4; bullseye: 3.6.1-8; buster: 3.6.1-8; sid: 3.6.1-8 |
| 02:35.06 | ratrace | ,v compton |
| 02:35.07 | judd | Package: compton on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1~beta2-1; buster: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1; stretch: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1; bullseye: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1+b1; sid: 0.1~beta2+20150922-1+b1 |
| 02:35.29 | yibotg | hello everyone,my laptop can't play audios |
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| 02:36.11 | marbar | i'm honestly not sure what happened. i updated my /etc/apt/sources, ran apt full-upgrade, restarted (wouldn't boot -- fixed in recovery mode), and now it's running gnome. |
| 02:36.48 | ratrace | sounds unlikely |
| 02:36.50 | yibotg | alsamixer give me a defaut cart is pulsecard and I press F6 there is a HDA Intel on channel 0 |
| 02:37.06 | marbar | tell me about it |
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| 02:37.20 | yibotg | so, How Can I choose the default card to HDA Intel |
| 02:37.25 | marbar | anyway, ratrace you recommend not running gnome? |
| 02:39.20 | ratrace | marbar: it's an opinonated behemoth that breaks stuff and loses functionality on each new version. so yeah, no. though I understand that some people don't care and just want a semi-modern desktop. |
| 02:40.15 | marbar | hahaha, ok. i'll see if i can log in w/ a different wm |
| 02:40.50 | ratrace | I mean if you're happy with WMs and alternatives, then don't install it just because it's default. |
| 02:41.35 | marbar | well that makes sense. to be clear, i didn't install it. this for whatever reason was part of the buster upgrade |
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| 02:47.05 | marbar | ratrace, i'm back in openbox, thanx dude! such a relief :) |
| 02:48.12 | ratrace | marbar: was thinking, maybe you had gnome installed even before, just used openbox? you can choose any supported DE or WM from the GDM login screen |
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| 02:48.34 | marbar | ratrace: oooo maybe that was it i guess! |
| 02:49.30 | marbar | anyway, thanx for the help! |
| 02:49.32 | ratrace | must be it. I'm pretty confident upgrade wouldn't replace your openbox with gnome if you didn't already have it installed |
| 02:49.43 | marbar | yeah that makes sense. |
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| 02:52.29 | Guest56064 | is there a debian alternative to goog-calendar that will sync to a cloud server & email reminders ? |
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| 02:56.19 | ratrace | maybe gnome evolution or kde pim |
| 02:56.29 | ratrace | but those are whole suites |
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| 02:57.13 | Guest56064 | or is sea monkey something? saw that while importing into tbird-lightning |
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| 02:57.25 | Guest56064 | want to avoid kde stuff |
| 02:57.45 | ratrace | also, google found this: https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-linux-calendar-app-top-20-reviewed-for-linux-users/ |
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| 03:00.29 | Guest56064 | can believe popup reminders is much a solution to most people , |
| 03:01.29 | Guest56064 | am trying to move out from the proprietary eco system |
| 03:01.34 | swift110 | hey all |
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| 03:02.47 | swift110 | how are you Guest56064 |
| 03:03.03 | Guest56064 | will have to see why OX isn't actually emailing calendar reminders, anyway off topic |
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| 03:04.44 | swift110 | oh ok |
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| 03:51.08 | hesco | I have a machine built primarily to serve as a video edit suite. I maintain my video and audio source material on a RAID1 built from ssd drives. Its nearly full and its time for me to exapnd. I love not having to listen to the drives spinning. and its helpful when I need to record audio here. But I get sticker shock looking at the costs of these larger SSDs. Wondering if I might install an old fashioned |
| 03:51.09 | hesco | spinner drive, use them to archive old projects and turn them off somehow when I am not actively archiving or retrieving material from the archive. I am looking for a strategy I can do from the cli, without power-cycling and opening the machine to unplug the archival drives. Any ideas how to do this? |
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| 03:58.48 | BazookaTooth | hesco: hdparm or hd-idle |
| 04:00.00 | hesco | BazookaTooth: so it will turn the drives completely off, no wear and tear, no noise? |
| 04:00.33 | BazookaTooth | just spins them down |
| 04:01.09 | BazookaTooth | you can't turn them off unless you are using hotswap cages or soomething |
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| 04:05.16 | hesco | so they are still powered, but the moving parts are no longer moving? that sounds like I would still get the no wear, no noise I am seeking here. |
| 04:05.42 | BazookaTooth | yup |
| 04:06.53 | hesco | Had imagined that I would buy two, use mdadm to build RAID1 array. How would that impact my use of hd-idle or hdparm for this purpose. Would I have to assemble and disassemble the RAID array each time? And if so, does that pose any threat of corrupted data? |
| 04:08.02 | BazookaTooth | not sure there |
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| 04:15.15 | jim | does debian have an "lts" branch now? |
| 04:16.27 | hesco | jim: pretty sure its called stable still |
| 04:16.38 | JackFrost | Well, there's oldstable. |
| 04:16.40 | JackFrost | !lts |
| 04:16.41 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:17.29 | svd | before Buster it was different? |
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| 04:18.37 | jim | !factinfo lts |
| 04:18.37 | dpkg | lts -- last modified at Tue Jun 19 02:23:45 2018 by annadane!~annadane@mtrlpq5302w-lp140-01-69-156-33-63.dsl.bell.ca; it has been requested 204 times, last by JackFrost, 1m 57s ago. |
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| 04:19.18 | jim | hmm, that doesn't say when it was first created |
| 04:20.02 | jim | ok, thanks :) |
| 04:20.17 | annadane | WHOPINGEDME |
| 04:20.25 | annadane | i have awoken from my slumber of 2000 years |
| 04:20.45 | JackFrost | jim: Well it *does* provide a link with more info.. |
| 04:22.19 | jim | JackFrost, true enough... I'll take a look :) |
| 04:22.49 | jim | annadane, you became pink?! |
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| 04:58.13 | marbar | hello all. i upgraded to buster today, and now there's no sound. "gnome-control-center sound" doesn't run unless i set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP to GNOME (i'm running openbox), and after that, it shows no output devices. is this a known issue with buster? |
| 05:00.00 | marbar | also, when i run "gnome-control-center sound", i get a "dbind-WARNING" about not being about to "register with accessibility bus" |
| 05:00.12 | marbar | does this sound familiar to anyone? thanks :) |
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| 05:16.04 | cactus | anyone here? |
| 05:17.43 | annadane | cactus, probably, just ask your question |
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| 05:19.17 | tomreyn | thinks cactus is not here |
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| 05:27.05 | cactus | whoops. just attending to a netinstall. can't seem to bring up the network (either wifi or eth) when there's no gui installed. |
| 05:27.48 | cactus | anyone know the trick? |
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| 05:30.32 | tomreyn | cactus: is this during or after completion of netinstall? was networking available and configured during netinstall? |
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| 05:30.48 | tomreyn | is dhcp in use and functional? |
| 05:31.01 | cactus | "ip a" shows all interfaces are down. despite the installer getting network access to upgrade packages, it doesn't seem to have left a working config. |
| 05:31.50 | cactus | cat /etc/network/interfaces shows me eno1 config is there. |
| 05:32.29 | cactus | good question on dhcp but not sure how to check that |
| 05:33.39 | tomreyn | dhclient eno1 or rather check your logs. |
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| 05:35.38 | jm_ | journalctl -u networking.service |
| 05:36.25 | jm_ | (obviously systemctl status on that will also show valuable details) |
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| 05:38.52 | cactus | thanks jm. that raised the network service and I'm connected now. I'll dig through the logs -- maybe network.service doesn't start automatically? if so, strange.anyway, time to dig. muchas gracias. |
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| 05:39.44 | jm_ | cactus: systemctl status will tell you that |
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| 05:41.29 | cactus | yep networking.service wasn't enabled. |
| 05:41.31 | cactus | thanks all! |
| 05:41.42 | jm_ | huh, weird, and no problem |
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| 06:54.14 | hhhudo | I just saw in /etc/passwd a line like |
| 06:54.45 | hhhudo | nobody:!:65534:65534:nobody:/:/bin/false |
| 06:54.52 | hhhudo | what does the ! mean ?? |
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| 06:56.01 | raden | Apt keeps aying Depends: mongodb but it is not installable , I have mongodb-org installer in there a way to fix this ? |
| 06:56.02 | apt | raden: what are you talking about? |
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| 06:58.07 | annadane | i don't think mongodb is even in stable |
| 06:58.10 | annadane | ,v mongodb |
| 06:58.11 | judd | Package: mongodb on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2+deb9u1; sid: 1:3.4.18-2+b1 |
| 06:58.21 | annadane | unless you're still on stretch |
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| 06:58.41 | annadane | and also that isn't very detailed output |
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| 07:00.39 | jm_ | I think they added mongodb.org repository |
| 07:02.32 | jm_ | hudo: ! means it's an invalid password so you can't login as that user |
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| 07:04.25 | marbar | hello all. just installed buster. i noticed that pulseaudio (set in openbox autostart) doesn't start properly, resulting in no available output devices. killing the process and restarting it makes it work, however. this seems to be a new development since the stretch->buster upgrade. does anyone know why / what's the deal? thanks :) |
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| 08:21.08 | kristijonas | hello, how to I run jar files on stretch? |
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| 08:23.37 | inch | java -jar file.jar |
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| 08:28.11 | sebboh | hey folks. I'm introducing my irl buddy to IRC. He's primarily an ubuntu user, but our shared 1U in the basement is debian. sid, actually, but not really relevant. Earlier, he did some sysadmin tasks successfully: upgraded the minecraft server. Took backups first. Say hi to stgareb. |
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| 08:29.21 | sebboh | he just said 'pancake is running sid? thought it was jessie?' |
| 08:30.13 | kristijonas | what i'm trying to accomplish is get this working: https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/DSS/webapp-demo/sign-a-document I need Nexu running which as I understand works with java |
| 08:31.09 | kristijonas | in the download archive file, there is NexU-Startup.bat file: https://paste.debian.net/1129230/ |
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| 08:35.39 | sebboh | create nexu-startup.sh. make it executable (chmod +x). First line: #/bin/sh ... (line ends after the sh) Next line: java -Djavafx.preloader=lu.nowina.nexu.NexUPreLoader -Dglass.accessible.force=false -jar nexu.jar |
| 08:35.48 | sebboh | and that's the last line. |
| 08:36.35 | hudo | jm_ , thx , so this is the same as option --lock from man passwd , http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/passwd.1.html |
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| 08:36.56 | jm_ | hudo: pretty much yes |
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| 08:43.32 | kristijonas | sebboh, https://paste.debian.net/1129232/ |
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| 08:45.10 | raden | exit |
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| 09:24.57 | ShutUpAndTakeMon | Hola amigo! |
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| 09:48.43 | dTal | Funny how many people want to avoid KDE these days. |
| 09:48.57 | dTal | Or even anything that pulls in KDE libs. |
| 09:49.04 | dTal | Plasma is really fantastic. |
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| 09:51.09 | mijndert | kde has a reputation for being a bloated mess last time i looked |
| 09:52.16 | RoyK | dTal: I've been avoiding KDE for 20 years and I won't stop avoiding it any soon ;) |
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| 09:53.38 | dTal | Your loss :) It may have been a bloated mess even 5 years ago, but now it is a highly clean and ergonomic DE. |
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| 09:54.18 | dTal | These days I even turn to KWin when I want a standalone window manager. |
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| 09:56.57 | lavaflow_ | KDE broke my heart with 4.0 |
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| 09:57.29 | lavaflow_ | I understand KDE is in a better place these days, but I've met other window managers since leaving KDE |
| 09:57.45 | mijndert | kde plasma 5.x sure does *look* nice, but performance-wise... not sure, I'll give it a shot some day |
| 09:57.46 | tarzeau | like which ones? |
| 09:57.55 | lavaflow_ | I use awesomewm |
| 09:57.57 | tarzeau | is back to wmaker/gnustep and amiwm |
| 09:58.05 | mijndert | is on i3 |
| 09:58.14 | lavaflow_ | nice, wmaker/gnustep is interesting stuff, I used that for a short while |
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| 10:54.06 | terr__ | I would like to ask some really stupid questions. I am booting grub and I'm not familiar. I need to go into edit mode where I can tell it to load /bin/bash I forgot how |
| 10:55.52 | tomreyn | "linux" line, add "init=/bin/bash" (no quotation marks) before "---" or "--", if any, or at the end otherwise. |
| 10:56.17 | tomreyn | terr__: what'S the problem you're trying to solve, though, since there can be a better approach? |
| 10:56.31 | terr__ | I think I have it - advanced options? |
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| 10:57.08 | tomreyn | i'll answer your question after you'll answer mine |
| 10:57.35 | terr__ | I need to edit /etc/passwd because I forgot my password. And I just ried advanced options and it took me to the standard login |
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| 10:58.06 | tomreyn | okay, then indeed that's maybe a good approach |
| 10:58.31 | tomreyn | the default boot option on the grub menu is fine, you just need to press E |
| 10:58.45 | terr__ | ya - I just asked for advanced options. I'll try E |
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| 10:59.28 | tomreyn | i'm meaning to say advanced should not be needed, but if you prefer that you'll enter advanced menu and then press E, works as well. |
| 10:59.31 | gert | test gki |
| 10:59.49 | tomreyn | gert: /join #tests next time, please |
| 11:00.02 | tomreyn | terr__: ctrl-x or or F10 to boot it after editing |
| 11:00.03 | gert_ | jo det er fint |
| 11:00.18 | terr__ | Its not letting me do anything |
| 11:00.36 | gert | test test |
| 11:00.37 | tomreyn | so pressing "E" has no effect? |
| 11:00.43 | tomreyn | gert: please stop |
| 11:01.03 | gert_ | retur |
| 11:01.13 | terr__ | nothing. Its asking for my password as a normal used login |
| 11:01.24 | jm_ | !i forgot root's password |
| 11:01.25 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 11:02.08 | tomreyn | terr__: the grub menu wouldn't ask for your password unless you added a password to it by editing grub.cfg and adding this option |
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| 11:02.30 | terr__ | jm_, hang on please. I have to reboot and get back into the main grub boot sequence. Is there a way to do this when its asking for a user/passwd? |
| 11:02.49 | jm_ | terr__: no, if grub is asking for a password, you need to enter that first |
| 11:03.12 | jm_ | well of course you could boot from a rescue medium (even debian installer will work) |
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| 11:03.56 | terr__ | ok. Let me try again. and No - I did not install any passwords that I know of. THis is my rescure/usb stick and maintenance. The machine is still a windows machine. But it won't be for long! |
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| 11:04.43 | jm_ | I don't understand, so it's not debian you are having problems with? |
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| 11:07.51 | gert | t |
| 11:09.09 | terr__ | jm_, let me explain. THere is an HDD in this machine. I also have a USB with Debian loaded on it. Once I get the machine booted into Debian I am away to the races. And I had it running a few months ago. I am now in setup. I am checking the boot sequence |
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| 11:11.37 | terr__ | It shows the following boot sequence. removable is 1st. atapi cd-rom is 2nd. 3rd is disabled. It is going to the IDE. THere is no cd-rom |
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| 11:13.01 | jm_ | might also mean it's booting from USB due to "removcable" being 1st? |
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| 11:14.09 | terr__ | it should be booting from USB. The HDD was not even shown. |
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| 11:14.56 | jm_ | and usb has debian on it? well grub in debian does not have any passwords by default, you need to manually configure it to do so |
| 11:15.03 | terr__ | now I ham seeing: removable / ATAPI CD-ROM / HDD |
| 11:15.20 | terr__ | well it was asking |
| 11:15.42 | jm_ | yeah I am not doubting that part, just the part that it hasn't been configured to do it :) |
| 11:15.54 | gert | nogen danske her |
| 11:15.54 | terr__ | this boot sequence has be confused. the HDD was not even in the boot sequence. Yet that is what it was booting from |
| 11:16.29 | jm_ | try checking if it has a boot menu thingie where you can explicitely select a device for booting |
| 11:16.50 | terr__ | it does. It was missing the USB |
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| 11:17.18 | jm_ | joys of bios implementations |
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| 11:17.37 | terr__ | I do NOT want this thing booting from the HDD Why is it doing so? |
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| 11:21.47 | terr__ | it missed the USB devices. and went to boot into microsoft. This time. I am ready to select the USB again. |
| 11:22.03 | terr__ | jm_, to get into the edit mode? how? |
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| 11:23.32 | jm_ | terr__: as dpkg said before, you press the 'e' key |
| 11:23.53 | jm_ | sorry 'e' |
| 11:23.57 | terr__ | when? I just re read that |
| 11:24.12 | jm_ | when it shows boot entries, sellect debian entry and press e |
| 11:24.35 | terr__ | like the way windows wants? Pounce? |
| 11:24.49 | terr__ | there should be a timer |
| 11:24.59 | jm_ | I have no idea what you just asked, there is a timer by default |
| 11:25.11 | terr__ | ah! |
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| 11:25.37 | terr__ | I think I missed that. I saw default and advanced and selected advanced I did not press e |
| 11:25.58 | terr__ | what is the difference between default and advanced? |
| 11:26.11 | jm_ | right, if you go into advanced you see a list of entries, first one is probably OK, press e on it |
| 11:26.27 | terr__ | I pressed enter! |
| 11:26.29 | jm_ | advanced gives you other entries, like single user mode |
| 11:26.41 | terr__ | It did |
| 11:26.48 | terr__ | and it wants my password |
| 11:27.08 | terr__ | presto |
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| 11:27.15 | jm_ | so grub must be configured with a password then |
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| 11:30.19 | terr__ | jm_, computers are sometimes like women. Hard to figure out. |
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| 11:31.51 | terr__ | I don't even has a proper keyboard on that computer! I can switch this one real quick. But damn I have a lot connected. |
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| 11:34.46 | terr__ | jm_, still here? |
| 11:35.10 | jm_ | terr__: yes |
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| 11:35.51 | terr__ | perfect. I am looking at the boot script. SOme things are puzzing like its setting root to an msdos partition. |
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| 11:36.12 | jm_ | you mean because it says hd(x,msdosY)? |
| 11:36.28 | terr__ | but I think what I need to do is just add init = /bin/bash |
| 11:36.34 | terr__ | ya |
| 11:36.40 | jm_ | that's normal |
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| 11:37.06 | jm_ | what exactly are you looking at? boot.cfg file? |
| 11:37.10 | jm_ | grub.cfg |
| 11:37.32 | terr__ | I see a menuentry 'Debian.... blah ' { blah blah blah } |
| 11:37.52 | terr__ | do I put the init = blah after this? |
| 11:38.16 | jm_ | you add it to the linux line, and no extra spaces |
| 11:38.40 | jm_ | linux /boot/vmlinuz-... ro init=/bin/bash |
| 11:38.46 | terr__ | that was my next question. What of the preceeding tab? Is it still required? |
| 11:38.57 | terr__ | hang on. |
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| 11:41.11 | terr__ | I see two (2) menuentries and the last line in each is initrd. And those sure look like they much be tabs for white space |
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| 11:41.47 | terr__ | !i forgot root password |
| 11:41.47 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 11:44.41 | terr__ | jm_, you wrote - add it to the linux line... |
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| 11:44.59 | jm_ | terr__: which is a few lines above the initrd line |
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| 11:46.02 | terr__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.13 | jm_ | yes, that's the line you add it to |
| 11:46.34 | terr__ | then echo 'loading ...' then initrd |
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| 11:46.47 | terr__ | just tack it on the end? |
| 11:46.53 | jm_ | yes |
| 11:47.09 | terr__ | after quiet do I use a space or tab? |
| 11:47.27 | jm_ | I only ever used spaces |
| 11:48.45 | terr__ | they had spaces nears the ro quiet. I think it has to start with a tab. or did |
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| 11:49.18 | jomofcw | Hello jm_ ! Dunno if you remember me : the guy with massive file encoding change, doing some test with grep/find but didn't understanding why it fails with regexp (that enable me to ignore binary). If you're available, i've got the "cmdline" details you asked me yesterday. |
| 11:49.18 | terr__ | Been years |
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| 11:49.55 | jm_ | jomofcw: yes, I was going to say "oh no they're back" but said to myself better stay quiet and hidden |
| 11:50.16 | gert_ | test |
| 11:50.31 | terr__ | jm_, dpkg says /bin/sh is /bin/bash available? I prefer bash |
| 11:50.49 | jm_ | terr__: either shall work for you |
| 11:51.00 | terr__ | let me try a boot. |
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| 11:51.23 | gert__ | test |
| 11:51.36 | jomofcw | jm_ xD... I get it, no worries :p. |
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| 11:51.55 | jm_ | jomofcw: so have you figured it out? |
| 11:52.09 | jomofcw | jm_ if you still be brave enough (:p) here are the elements : https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/25c58b2070529073b0820e8ae3a6d5cb and https://gist.github.com/jomofcw/6be395ad1a17795bafb1e0cc71d666d4 |
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| 11:52.44 | jomofcw | jm_ nop. And we were trying to get it achieved using some others stuff with nyov (I'm working on few tests before coming back to him too). |
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| 11:53.35 | jomofcw | to remember, the fact is that using the command with find do the job, but change encoding of binary file too (that make image and others PDF wrong), and using grep instead of find seems to process well but doesn't change anything in fact. |
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| 11:54.09 | jm_ | jomofcw: looks the same to me, except for the way filenames are passed to vim as you already noted yesterday |
| 11:54.29 | terr__ | damn. I have a SHELL |
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| 11:56.40 | kristijonas | hello, any change someone could help me get this: https://ec.europa.eu/cefdigital/DSS/webapp-demo/sign-multiple-documents on my Chrome browser? It requires smth called NexU, as I understand it needs java, but i get various errors when I try to launch it |
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| 11:57.38 | jm_ | you mean run java applet in chrome? I think java browser plugin is only available using NPAPI which does not work in chrome |
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| 11:58.05 | terr__ | I used passwd and it says Enter new UNIX password: I pressed enter it says Retype. I pressed enter. It says No password. Like can I set it to no password? |
| 11:58.21 | user217_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.25 | jm_ | terr__: yes, but don't do that for root |
| 11:58.52 | terr__ | Its my recovery media. |
| 11:59.04 | terr__ | rescue disk |
| 11:59.19 | terr__ | user217_, are you getting hex codes? |
| 11:59.20 | jm_ | better to use something like grml as recovery option |
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| 11:59.54 | terr__ | jm_, I don't know how to use that yet. I gotta get this installed first |
| 12:00.11 | jm_ | terr__: it's a live bootable ISO, much like debian-live etc. |
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| 12:00.21 | jm_ | it's based on debian |
| 12:00.26 | terr__ | I'll check into it later |
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| 12:00.44 | eypo | user217_, if the keyboard is new, then probably is defective. Go a get a replacement under warranty |
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| 12:01.08 | jm_ | user217_: you can also check what evtest shows for it |
| 12:01.21 | jomofcw | jm_ I agree. But so, is there a way to fit the exact format of arges gived by find in grep ? i.e. adding "./" at starts. |
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| 12:02.32 | jm_ | jomofcw: probably, but I would tackle this from a different side - i.e. try it with just 5 or 10 files and see if that works (or maybe with just 1) |
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| 12:08.46 | terr__ | is the syntax of the passwd command as follows? passwd username |
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| 12:09.32 | jm_ | yes, or just passwd to change it for root |
| 12:10.16 | terr__ | okI thought login must be username |
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| 12:11.10 | terr__ | and t reboot - ie - head back into grub? |
| 12:11.46 | jm_ | you'd never guess, reboot is a command |
| 12:12.00 | terr__ | HA HA |
| 12:12.09 | terr__ | I thought so - its been that long! |
| 12:12.46 | terr__ | I know why I forgot ythr password. I set it jan 30 2019 |
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| 12:15.01 | terr__ | failed to connect to bus. No such file or directory - can't find init. |
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| 12:15.10 | terr__ | I use to use init 0 |
| 12:15.22 | terr__ | I remember that is how I use to reboot |
| 12:15.38 | terr__ | which init |
| 12:15.52 | user217_ | terr__: I'm not shure that this is hex codes (for 'g' it's '103 67 40' but I get just 'g4' instead of 'g' |
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| 12:18.08 | terr__ | user217_, I have never seen this. Also I am on really crappy operating systems right now. |
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| 12:18.57 | terr__ | I gotta find another keyboard. |
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| 12:22.47 | Ede|Popede | user217_: `showkey` may lighten up what happens. i prefer it over the noisy xev. |
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| 12:24.30 | user217_ | jm_QnQ266zy@@@ |
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| 12:27.22 | jm_ | user217_: huh? |
| 12:28.14 | user217_ | jm_: I post my root pass) |
| 12:28.24 | user217_ | (already change it) |
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| 12:28.32 | jm_ | :) |
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| 12:29.55 | mz` | adds it to the dict |
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| 12:51.12 | domovoy | hi |
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| 12:53.51 | domovoy | is there a liveusb with an install option somewhere? can't seem to find anything... maybe my eyes are not working right ^^ |
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| 12:56.50 | nyov | domovoy: I've heard that the live-cd/usb can be used to install to disk; but not tried it myself |
| 12:57.24 | bogdan_ | Hi, so I am trying to install debian for the first time. It says that I need non free software for the installation. It needs the wifi drivers (iwlwifi etc) on a removable media. |
| 12:57.24 | domovoy | found it |
| 12:57.49 | bogdan_ | I download the deb package for buster, put it on a flash stick and insert. But when I press continue it ask for them again |
| 12:57.52 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 12:57.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:58.08 | bogdan_ | it does not "see" the package |
| 12:58.09 | bogdan_ | oh ok |
| 12:58.31 | nyov | I guess you'd have to unpack it? |
| 12:58.34 | bogdan_ | I did |
| 12:58.44 | bogdan_ | still does not work |
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| 12:58.51 | bogdan_ | I will try the non free... way less headaches |
| 12:58.51 | nyov | so the stick contains a /firmware folder? |
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| 12:59.10 | bogdan_ | ah no, I anpack the *code directly on the main folder |
| 12:59.23 | bogdan_ | I should create a firmware folder? |
| 12:59.40 | dvs | you're going the hard route |
| 12:59.50 | nyov | no, the debian package you downloaded should contain a firmware folder. you'd have to unpack the deb |
| 12:59.52 | bogdan_ | yeap, going to get the non free install |
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| 13:00.15 | bogdan_ | thank you |
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| 13:01.08 | dvs | np |
| 13:01.09 | za1b1tsu | !firmware iso |
| 13:01.09 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:01.22 | dvs | za1b1tsu, that was just done |
| 13:01.53 | za1b1tsu | dvs, it's me bogdan, I switched PCs to download the package and I needed the url |
| 13:02.01 | za1b1tsu | did not want to read and type it in |
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| 13:29.07 | terr__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.32 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:29.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:29.36 | terr__ | I can't reboot right now. Failed to connect to bus |
| 13:32.25 | ratrace | terr__: reboot -f -f |
| 13:33.34 | terr__ | ralet me check those parms. |
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| 13:34.11 | ratrace | you mean ratablet :) |
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| 13:35.12 | terr__ | -f is force. |
| 13:35.31 | ratrace | yes, and twice to avoid init and go straight for reboot |
| 13:36.08 | terr__ | This machine is running on a USB stick right now. And it often misses it when I was trying to boot from it. I am wondering why there may be a problem and how to check some things |
| 13:36.59 | terr__ | wait a second. -f means skip init and -f -f means skip init and force reboot? |
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| 13:37.35 | ratrace | terr__: no. -f imeans "immediate but clean shutdown by the system manager" -f -f means "immediate shutdown without contacting the system manager" |
| 13:37.40 | ratrace | it's in teh manpage |
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| 13:39.31 | ratrace | :wqall |
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| 13:39.35 | ratrace | oops sorry |
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| 13:41.39 | terr__ | okay - I have no issue with that. I just got this machine booted less than an hour ago. why would it not see the bus? |
| 13:41.52 | ratrace | terr__: eh you need to give more context |
| 13:42.13 | terr__ | reboot says "Failed to connect to bus" |
| 13:42.27 | ratrace | terr__: tried with sudo? |
| 13:42.35 | ratrace | maybe you're missing polkit |
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| 13:42.47 | terr__ | haven't got that far. I'm logged in as root |
| 13:42.55 | ratrace | oh it fails as root? |
| 13:42.59 | terr__ | ya |
| 13:43.03 | ratrace | which debian |
| 13:43.30 | terr__ | I just managed to bypass the boot process and bring in a shell so I could reset passwords |
| 13:44.05 | terr__ | 4.9. something. I created that USB stick Jan 30 2019 |
| 13:44.24 | ratrace | you used init=/bin/bash (for example) |
| 13:44.28 | dl_1o | jelly, you look like you've been squished and then vomited. |
| 13:44.31 | terr__ | yup |
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| 13:44.39 | dl_1o | I'll init your skull. |
| 13:44.42 | ratrace | terr__: well, figures. there's no init, bus or aynthing else running |
| 13:44.47 | dl_1o | init=rottenskull |
| 13:44.51 | terr__ | LOL |
| 13:45.01 | terr__ | well I normally do not boot this way. |
| 13:45.01 | dl_1o | "/bin/isademon" |
| 13:45.22 | ratrace | terr__: right, so reboot -f -f because there's no system manager for it to contact |
| 13:45.43 | dl_1o | petn-randall, do you like WinBlows? |
| 13:45.53 | dl_1o | MetaNova loves WinBlows and glass. |
| 13:46.20 | dl_1o | I hope ratrace overdoses on his shrink pills. |
| 13:46.35 | dl_1o | Society is a scam, hanging and death is a good thing. |
| 13:46.42 | dl_1o | It's a scam ran by the Jews. |
| 13:46.43 | ratrace | that reminds me to pad my ignore list. |
| 13:46.54 | dl_1o | Hitler did nothing wrong; look it up on /pol/.. |
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| 13:46.58 | dl_1o | based |
| 13:47.00 | dl_1o | redpill |
| 13:47.06 | dl_1o | right up your ass |
| 13:47.14 | niko | ok, fine |
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| 13:48.44 | jelly | niko: thanks |
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| 13:52.13 | terr__ | well there is a mouse. Not that I like mice. Boot is taking FOREVER |
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| 13:56.28 | no_gravity | Hello! When I start Chromium it always starts with a giant window. It seems not to remember the window size when I closed it. Can I change that? |
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| 13:59.46 | terr__ | no there should be a conf file |
| 14:00.35 | no_gravity | Interesting. Where would that be? |
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| 14:01.34 | mtn | no_gravity: it is in the .config folder |
| 14:02.02 | no_gravity | mtn: Which file? |
| 14:02.09 | mtn | chromium |
| 14:02.21 | no_gravity | mtn: Thats a dir. |
| 14:02.27 | mtn | no_gravity: rename the chromium folder |
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| 14:02.47 | mtn | no_gravity: that will give you a clean config |
| 14:02.57 | no_gravity | mtn: I delete it after each run anyhow. So *giant* seems to be the result of a clean config. |
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| 14:03.16 | no_gravity | I wonder which file to keep or generate so it remembers the size. |
| 14:03.24 | mtn | no_gravity: you delete your chromium folder every time you run chromium? |
| 14:03.28 | no_gravity | mtn: Yup |
| 14:03.49 | no_gravity | mtn: Except a few files I identified as useful. |
| 14:03.51 | terr__ | who is this "advanced text editor Kate?" |
| 14:03.53 | mtn | no_gravity: how do you expect it to remember your settings when you delete all the settings? |
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| 14:04.25 | no_gravity | mtn: First of all, I was not sure if the WM or the application is responsible for windows size/position on startup. |
| 14:04.45 | mtn | no_gravity: chromium is |
| 14:05.03 | no_gravity | mtn: There is a file "Preferences" that seems to have window positioning ... |
| 14:05.15 | terr__ | How do I get a shell up? I want gome |
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| 14:07.00 | mtn | terr__: are you running plasma? |
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| 14:07.41 | terr__ | I think I might be. I did see a reference to plasma and thought someone was referring to the ITER |
| 14:08.02 | mtn | terr__: why don't you know what de you are running? |
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| 14:08.58 | mtn | terr__: the terminal in plasma is called konsole |
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| 14:09.11 | terr__ | because I installed it 2019 01 30 and just managed to reset the root password about an hour ago and finally got it to boot. |
| 14:10.11 | Ede|Popede | terr__: ps or htop. just for the overview. |
| 14:10.11 | terr__ | took it 1 minutes to boot |
| 14:10.20 | terr__ | 15 minutes! |
| 14:10.44 | terr__ | need a terminal. Not obvious how to get one. |
| 14:11.08 | Ede|Popede | menu, open terminal? |
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| 14:11.59 | Lyberta | hi, I have an Intel Bay Trail (Atom) tablet which has 32-bit UEFI, how can I install 64-bit Debian on it? |
| 14:12.04 | terr__ | where is menu? |
| 14:13.06 | terr__ | Lyberta, is that a 64 bit processor? I have 2 atoms here. well 3. all 32 but I know there are 64s |
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| 14:13.30 | Lyberta | terr__, ark.intel.com claims it is 64 bit |
| 14:14.24 | terr__ | the boot sequence should not matter |
| 14:15.14 | bogdan_ | so I just installed Debian, and my user is not in the sudoers group. So I logged in as root, and wanted to add my user to sudoers with usermod. But usermod is not available and there is no usermod package on apt. Is something wrong with my repos? |
| 14:15.48 | joepublic | personally I usually add users to sudo with visudo |
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| 14:16.18 | bogdan_ | joepublic, I see, I will do that |
| 14:16.33 | bogdan_ | but usermod isn't in the latest Debian stable? |
| 14:17.34 | joepublic | i am running sid on this workstation which has it, am sure stable has it, not sure what package provides it. |
| 14:19.18 | Ede|Popede | terr__: depends on your desktop. but usually at one end of the panel. |
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| 14:19.26 | joepublic | hmm, apparantly it's provided by the passed package |
| 14:19.40 | joepublic | so you should have it as /usr/sbin/usermod |
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| 14:19.49 | joepublic | no. passwd. can't type today |
| 14:20.09 | terr__ | I am running kde (I hope) and I clicked on where the fun should begin. I see 5 stupid icons. Nothing to read. Oh - looks like its running stretch ... rectangle with a concave bottom. 4 boxes funny rectangle and a clock and cricle with less than inside |
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| 14:21.05 | joepublic | it's hard to imagine that you don't have the 'passwd' package installed |
| 14:22.19 | bogdan_ | I do, wonder what is wrong. It is a fresh install |
| 14:22.20 | Ede|Popede | terr__: right click on it, there should be a menu, there should be something like settings or properties, there should be "show (icons only|text only|icons and text)" somewhere |
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| 14:22.58 | jelly | Lyberta: "not easily" is probably the answer. Old Macs have something similar, but if you have 32bit UEFI you'll need 32bit grub-efi to pass control to 64bit Linux kernel for Debian |
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| 14:23.40 | jelly | who knows if that's detected properly in debian-installer for your particular hardware |
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| 14:24.10 | bogdan_ | E: Unable to locate package visudo |
| 14:24.17 | bogdan_ | so then could be the repos |
| 14:24.33 | Lyberta | jelly, oh? :( I usually use rEFInd which just executes kernel as UEFI executable, what magic does grub do? |
| 14:24.43 | joepublic | visudo is provided by package "sudo", /usr/sbin/visudo |
| 14:25.02 | terr__ | okay. how do I get this. Removable storage. 17.3 GiB in /home and 9.6 GiB in / That USB has 100 GB available. |
| 14:25.02 | joepublic | how specifically are you logging in as root, may i ask? |
| 14:25.07 | jelly | Lyberta: oh, if refind works good |
| 14:25.19 | terr__ | I need a gnome terminal. All I see is xterm and uxterm |
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| 14:25.45 | Lyberta | jelly, no, I have live USB and I have put 32-bit version of refind but it can't load 64-bit kernel :( |
| 14:25.47 | jelly | I don't know what grub does, but I know 64bit debian is installable on such systems |
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| 14:25.54 | bogdan_ | this are the repos in sources https://pastebin.com/n4amqaw3 |
| 14:26.02 | bogdan_ | is anything missing? |
| 14:26.18 | joepublic | first i would love to know how specifically are you logging in as root? |
| 14:26.35 | joepublic | on a console login prompt, with su -, etc. |
| 14:26.36 | bogdan_ | su |
| 14:26.41 | bogdan_ | console |
| 14:26.46 | bogdan_ | sudo package is installed |
| 14:26.51 | joepublic | ah! you need to use su - or su -l not plain su |
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| 14:27.02 | terr__ | Lyberta, on windows booting a live USB? |
| 14:27.05 | bogdan_ | hmmm, why? |
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| 14:27.21 | no_gravity | I want to make a video of a part of my screen - is that easily possible under Linux? |
| 14:27.32 | joepublic | so that you get root's environment. in past versions *part* of root's environment was copied over with just "su" but in buster that's no longer the case |
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| 14:28.08 | dvs | !buster su |
| 14:28.09 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 14:28.28 | bogdan_ | ah it keeps the path of the current user |
| 14:28.38 | Lyberta | terr__, I have external USB SSD with Debian and rEFInd which I use as recovery OS, I have copied 32 bit version of rEFInd there and it runs but it only detects 32-bit Windows and not my 64-bit kernel |
| 14:28.41 | terr__ | no_gravity, yes - there are ways. Quite a few probably. |
| 14:28.42 | joepublic | no_gravity, simplescreenrecorder |
| 14:28.49 | bogdan_ | ok, I get it, but why usermod works now |
| 14:28.57 | bogdan_ | isn't it a global package? |
| 14:29.06 | joepublic | it's only in sbin which is only in root' |
| 14:29.09 | joepublic | root's path |
| 14:29.39 | bogdan_ | hmmm, thank you so much |
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| 14:29.47 | terr__ | Lyberta, you should be able to use a Unix util to do this. |
| 14:29.52 | joepublic | sorry you had problems but glad the issue is resolved. |
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| 14:30.07 | joepublic | someday I am going to design a keyboard with empty space between ' and Enter |
| 14:30.22 | bogdan_ | eh, this is the linux life, it has to hurt at least once a week |
| 14:30.40 | dvs | not once everything is set up |
| 14:30.51 | joepublic | I wish I could argue and say that's not the case, but setting stuff up I have to agree |
| 14:31.06 | terr__ | I know I read on this and its still an issue because I need to do it as well. I'll use non EFI for now because of 1) old BIOSs and 2) drives smaller than 2TB |
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| 14:31.30 | bogdan_ | dvs, an update could cause problems |
| 14:31.38 | adikt | joepublic, why would you need a empty space between ' and enter? |
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| 14:31.49 | karlpinc | You say that because you have to set stuff up. If you bought pre-installed then things would "just work". |
| 14:31.50 | joepublic | adikt, so I won' |
| 14:31.58 | adikt | carry on |
| 14:32.01 | joepublic | won't accidently hit enter when trying to type ' |
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| 14:32.22 | adikt | you must have the hands of a God |
| 14:32.23 | RobinR00t | hi |
| 14:32.45 | joepublic | I had the steady hands of a 20-year old , 30 years ago |
| 14:32.52 | adikt | God damn arthritis in my hands.. i gotta really reach for the enter |
| 14:32.53 | adikt | it |
| 14:32.59 | adikt | 's not that bad |
| 14:33.01 | adikt | rofl |
| 14:33.17 | adikt | i guess i do it too :/ |
| 14:33.20 | terr__ | joepublic, just change the KB mapping and put something stupid there and move the ' elsewhere. |
| 14:33.25 | Lyberta | terr__, "Unix util"? I actually migrated to UEFI in 2013 or so and managed to set it pretty good, I have rEFInd, kernels and initramfs on ESP and the rest is LUKS encrypted, that way I don't need /boot partition or to enter LUKS password twice, of course, all of this works only on 64-bit UEFI :/ |
| 14:33.35 | adikt | terr__, that's the worst idea ever |
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| 14:34.01 | joepublic | so, move the enter key? or disable ' and move it to say, keypad 5? |
| 14:34.26 | joepublic | (and relearn touch typing in both cases?) |
| 14:34.26 | adikt | keypad 5 is what i use for my guake terminal console dropdown |
| 14:34.35 | adikt | just kidding |
| 14:35.03 | terr__ | adikt, I am good at bad ideas. But when I am good I am very very good |
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| 14:40.08 | no_gravity | So I tried SimpleScreenRecorder and saved it as mpg. But then I canno open it. What is a good video format these days? |
| 14:40.10 | terr__ | gnome is not found :( |
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| 14:41.58 | seoneal97 | ++++ |
| 14:42.01 | Lyberta | adikt, I have keyboard with 18 macro keys but apparently I need Wayland to properly use them because X11 thought that 256 keys is good enough for everyone |
| 14:42.17 | seoneal97 | +30 |
| 14:42.30 | seoneal97 | CWDDDDDDDD |
| 14:43.08 | terr__ | Lyberta, you should be able to set up extended keys. |
| 14:43.27 | Lyberta | terr__, how? |
| 14:43.29 | adikt | i have no idea what Wayland is |
| 14:43.45 | Lyberta | adikt, replacement for X |
| 14:43.45 | terr__ | I think I saw that years ago when I was looking at unicode (?) |
| 14:44.25 | terr__ | charsets are not restricted. You can have more than 8 bits. |
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| 14:44.43 | Lyberta | terr__, unicode and USB scan codes are different things, I spoke directly to the guy who wrote the kernel driver for my keyboard and he said that X just sucks and not gonna work |
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| 14:47.16 | Lyberta | btw keyboard is Logitech G510s and driver was added in Linux 5.5, so right now I run 5.5-rc5 from Debian experimental |
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| 14:50.13 | terr__ | Lyberta, I would not attempt it that way. I'm chatting in offtopic on some of this. It is close to where I'm going. |
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| 14:50.37 | Lyberta | terr__, UEFI? |
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| 15:02.05 | terr__ | Lyberta, to get those extra keycodes in.... what if international keyboards - chineese, Japanese, they have to have more than the kb's we use. Somebody has to. How are they interfaced? |
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| 15:04.48 | Lyberta | terr__, unicode is not USB... "characters" are not "scan codes". In my game engine I need to check if the user presses "ctrl" key for crouch (for example) "ctrl" is not a character - strictly speaking, Unicode Scalar Value - it is a scan code. USB defines 16 bits for scan codes and has several thousands scan codes standardized, they have nothing in common with Unicode stuff |
| 15:05.40 | terr__ | well - good enough. 16385 codes are enough. How can you get at them? |
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| 15:06.39 | Lyberta | terr__, I'm pretty sure Wayland passes them to whatever, then in case of text it would use current uhhh keyboard layout to produce Unicode scalar value |
| 15:06.49 | terr__ | 65536. I'm pretty tired |
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| 15:07.27 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: what about the extended keycodes? e0, e2 prefixes at least |
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| 15:07.38 | terr__ | however - if its going to support multi-language keybaords it has to pass it through. |
| 15:07.51 | Ede|Popede | or scancodes? i always mix them up |
| 15:07.55 | terr__ | Ede|Popede, that is what I was thinking. |
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| 15:08.27 | Lyberta | terr__, I'm pretty sure USB doesn't care about text, at least the bits of the spec that I've read |
| 15:08.42 | Ede|Popede | still tends to `showkey` |
| 15:09.29 | Lyberta | terr__, and in my case I have 2 languages and just use ctrl+shift to switch between them, so the same scan code produces completely different characters |
| 15:09.50 | terr__ | It can't. Its data. a KB does not have to be rs232. That could never work. Rs232 will support 256 chars but these are not scan codes. |
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| 15:10.11 | terr__ | yes. You need the scan codes. |
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| 15:13.44 | Lyberta | terr__, so X only supports 8 bit scan codes, so only 256 scan codes of 65536 that USB spec has |
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| 15:15.44 | terr__ | Lyberta, okay. You know the state. state chooses a translation table and maps 256 chars into the much larger space. Your problem. shift is gone before you see the code. |
| 15:16.28 | Lyberta | oops, ok, USB standardizes only 231 scan codes while the rest are reserved, source: Universal Serial Bus HID Usage Tables, Version 1.12 |
| 15:17.05 | Lyberta | terr__, scan codes are not chars |
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| 15:17.16 | terr__ | no they are not. |
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| 15:18.58 | terr__ | Lyberta, can you somehow use 2 chars to represent a code? But you already do have enough codes. 256 is lots. so is 231 |
| 15:19.06 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, uh??? USB spec: E0 is "Keyboard LeftControl", E2 is "Keyboard LeftAlt", so, I'm not sure what "keycode" is |
| 15:19.39 | Lyberta | terr__, are you talking about C "char"? |
| 15:19.55 | terr__ | 8 bits. |
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| 15:20.40 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: i mean the raw codes sent out by a keyboard. Esc is 1, 1 is 2, and so on. still representing the layout from the goold old PC days. having press AND releascodes leaves the system with max. 127 possible keys. which brought in extended codes for the keys being introduced later. |
| 15:20.45 | terr__ | I have not looked at this since 1998. and I just finally got a system booted. |
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| 15:21.00 | Lyberta | terr__, if we go into C, I'd prefer uint8_t for... uh.. unsigned octet, oh well POSIX requires byte to be 8 bit, we can cal them bytes |
| 15:21.23 | Ede|Popede | like right alt and iirc F11 and F12. some even only omit a press code, but no release (sysrq iirc). |
| 15:21.32 | terr__ | Ede|Popede, ya - that is right. |
| 15:22.11 | Ede|Popede | always wanted to have one of those old IBM keyboards with 24 F-keys, never got one :) |
| 15:22.12 | Ede|Popede | :( |
| 15:22.21 | terr__ | Lyberta, its just a byte. on most computers and I doubt that will change |
| 15:22.33 | terr__ | Ede|Popede, I might have one. |
| 15:22.44 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, not sure you are right, USB spec goes: 1 is Keyboard ErrorRollOver, 2 is Keyboard POSTFail, 3 is Keyboard ErrorUndefined, 4 is Keyboard a and A |
| 15:23.08 | Ede|Popede | humm.. i could check it on the other pc. there's a wireless usb kbd attached to it, only it runs from live atm, not sure if the tool is included |
| 15:23.12 | terr__ | Ede|Popede, look up let me remember. the old IBM keyboards are still available |
| 15:23.32 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, I assume you'd need something like libinput to get raw codes |
| 15:23.53 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: even console vs. X always was a thing. the R in REISUB stands for the Raw mode the keyboard has to get back to eventually before anything else ;) |
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| 15:24.12 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, that's waaaaaaaay down there after raw codes |
| 15:24.14 | Ede|Popede | and iirc there was also a semi-cooked mode |
| 15:24.31 | Peyam | can someone tell me what https://gist.github.com/PeyamMaroufi/a7d44d03b2b87afea66f870bdc3f0368 at lines 6-7 means? |
| 15:24.33 | Lyberta | I'm talking about values sent over USB wire |
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| 15:24.46 | no_gravity | So I used SimpleScreenRecorder to record my screen with audio. The sound is pretty shitty though. (I used Backend: ALSA, Source: Default Source). |
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| 15:26.16 | nyov | what's an alternative to `uchardet`, that I remember but have forgotten the name of? |
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| 15:26.37 | nyov | for file encoding detection |
| 15:28.01 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, terr__, anyway, linux doesn't care about USB either, it uses completely made up codes, here's the patch: https://paste.debian.net/1129287/ those key values are totally non-standard |
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| 15:33.07 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: all i have is one of these multimedia keyboards with an extra row on top. mail, www, sound and such. iirc all of them simply produce some extended codes as it is suggested in the paste. may be there are events like "volume up" "start browser" and such, but i didn't look into it yet. |
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| 15:35.09 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, I'm pretty sure those are initially part of Windows USB extensions because I remember those codes standardized in Windows API |
| 15:35.27 | terr__ | I found it. |
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| 15:36.25 | terr__ | www.pckeyboard.com Unicomp bought out the IBM KB division. Keyboards are still made. AND the PC122 is available. Can be purchased from Amazon. |
| 15:36.28 | Lyberta | terr__, pre USB keyboards use different codes |
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| 15:37.16 | terr__ | these can be USB as well. |
| 15:37.35 | terr__ | I'll bet the company can help you with the codes and interface. |
| 15:37.50 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: sure? my wireless sends the same scancodes (Esc=1, right alt is extended, etc) as the ps/2 kbd i'm using here right now |
| 15:38.15 | Lyberta | so I assume X takes numbers from Linux kernel but.... ok I'm not sure what the interface between X and Linux is |
| 15:39.11 | Ede|Popede | i'd rather think usb keyboards do some internal translation end embed the values in the datastream and some usb related driver extracts the codes |
| 15:39.21 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, what do you use to check? there are many manglings, I used libusb and detached kernel driver and then hooked the keyboard into my app and only then I could see actual codes |
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| 15:39.40 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: good old showkey from kbd package |
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| 15:40.18 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, does it detach kernel driver? |
| 15:40.23 | Ede|Popede | warns about running it in X, and it really is a bit different, but as what i've seen it receives the correct values at the end |
| 15:41.50 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: i didn't even use it for years now, things mostly work out of the box today. but i think it tries to work as lowlevel as possible |
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| 15:42.20 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, In 2.6 kernels raw mode, or scancode mode, is not very raw at all. Scan codes are first translated to key codes, and when scancodes are desired, the key codes are translated back. Various transformations are involved, and there is no guarantee at all that the final result corresponds to what the keyboard hardware did send. So, if you want to know the scan codes sent by various keys it is better to boot a 2.4 kernel. Since 2.6.9 |
| 15:42.20 | Lyberta | there also is the boot option atkbd.softraw=0 that tells the 2.6 kernel to return the actual scan codes. |
| 15:42.32 | Lyberta | hah, booting to 2.4, lol |
| 15:42.52 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: sounds like ouch |
| 15:43.01 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, showkey LIES!!!! |
| 15:43.43 | snooky | hello |
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| 15:43.57 | snooky | can everyone help with regex on bash!? |
| 15:44.07 | Haohmaru | no |
| 15:44.11 | Haohmaru | can't |
| 15:44.41 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: tbh i'd prefer access to the ringbuffer or the kernel exposing an interface to them :) |
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| 15:45.40 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, libusb, in fact, my macro keys are sent are completely proprietary protocol, good thing there is libg15 so I could use efforts by other ppl |
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| 15:46.39 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, but if you use libusb, be careful, because you'll most likely need to unplug and replug keyboard because of kernel driver shenanigans |
| 15:47.00 | Ede|Popede | proprietary protocol, that sucks. i have a stoneage cam around (kodak ez200), completely unusable in linux, at least last time i checked. needs some windows blob from the cd to even transfer the images |
| 15:47.04 | Lyberta | there's also hidraw which is supposedly safer |
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| 15:47.34 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, that's why it took 10 years for my keyboard to get a Linux driver lol |
| 15:47.56 | Ede|Popede | heh, i know this from my speakers. using headphones sometimes confuses the sound system and all it finds later is some digital crap i never had :D |
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| 15:48.36 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, in my case I have different physical outputs so I just use GUI to change output |
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| 15:49.50 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: same here, speakers are on the back, headphone on the front. though sometimes i attach them to the volume changer thing in the middle of the cable. |
| 15:50.15 | bogdan_ | so when doing a graphical install of debian you get to the software selection seen, an you have a box called "Debian desktop environment" and then multiple boxes for various DEs |
| 15:50.27 | bogdan_ | what does "Debian Desktop Environment" contain? |
| 15:50.35 | Ede|Popede | the only thing so far with the usb kbd is that it resets the layout to US after replugging it. and having both kbds attached here even lets me use 2 different layouts |
| 15:50.44 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, is it different device? or just mobo sound? |
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| 15:51.20 | CrystalMath | bogdan_: probably it just opens the submenu, or does nothing |
| 15:51.21 | Ede|Popede | just the sound chip on the board. or even the cpu or built-in apu, who knows |
| 15:51.25 | karlpinc | bogdan_: Stuff for a desktop, like X (or whatever), plus whatever de you choose. |
| 15:51.46 | karlpinc | bogdan_: I always do a minimal install and then add stuff later, like X. YMMV. |
| 15:51.51 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 15:51.52 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:52.25 | CrystalMath | bogdan_: to choose no DE, you need to get to that other selection screen (or perhaps that's the one you were thinking of?) |
| 15:52.35 | karlpinc | bogdan_: If you don't know about the above installers with non-free firmware included you might find them handy. It's annoying to manually have to install the firmware you need to make your hardware work. |
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| 15:52.56 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, in my case both outputs are on the back and it is dedicated PCI-E card, so I never unplug |
| 15:53.43 | karlpinc | thinks a big reason people install Ubuntu is because of the hassles involved with non-free firmware. |
| 15:54.04 | Haohmaru | crapbuntu |
| 15:54.21 | bogdan_ | that's not nice |
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| 15:54.39 | bogdan_ | ubuntu was important for a more wide spread adoption of linux |
| 15:54.44 | CrystalMath | bogdan_: did you mean the boot screen or software group selection? |
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| 15:55.03 | bogdan_ | software group selection during install |
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| 15:55.13 | bogdan_ | I only choose lxqt curios what happens |
| 15:55.18 | CrystalMath | ah, okay, so that installs the DE |
| 15:55.34 | CrystalMath | lxqt is alright i guess |
| 15:55.47 | Haohmaru | i didn't like it.. lxde woz bett0r for me |
| 15:55.53 | CrystalMath | i use no DE |
| 15:56.04 | Haohmaru | maybe LXQT woz still kinda new |
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| 15:56.14 | CrystalMath | just running programs directly through X :) |
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| 15:56.25 | CrystalMath | no dbus, no systemd |
| 15:56.34 | Haohmaru | u must be a h4x0r |
| 15:56.51 | CrystalMath | Haohmaru: sadly those no longer exist |
| 15:57.39 | CrystalMath | nowadays only paid agents hack into computers |
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| 16:03.38 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, ok, "showkey --scancodes" doesn't recognize my macro keys |
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| 16:04.58 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: since it's usb i could imagine it doesn't even use the standard means to transport the info, at least for those keys. |
| 16:06.49 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, I mean, Linux kernel has a convention |
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| 16:08.30 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, ok, "showkey" actually works |
| 16:08.54 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta, what about the M-keys? |
| 16:09.53 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, yep, works |
| 16:10.03 | Ede|Popede | yay |
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| 16:10.33 | Lyberta | so... "key codes" exist, why can't X support them? I'm confused |
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| 16:12.19 | jomofcw | Thanks to nyov, he helped a lot to fix my encoding problem. |
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| 16:12.47 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, total silence in xev though |
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| 16:13.10 | Ede|Popede | stoneage, but... https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Intkeyb/index.html https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 16:13.13 | rxcake | hey all where is the 'rootfs.tar.xz' https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/tree/270512e0323bf9fd9fc896f457e4d1c7e3c1d198/buster/slim shown here generated, I cannot seem to find the Dockerfile or build script used to actually make it |
| 16:13.46 | ratrace | what |
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| 16:15.20 | rxcake | I presume its made from inside a normal debian system |
| 16:15.30 | rxcake | but if it is where would you find the tools to do that |
| 16:15.40 | rxcake | well gcc obviously ... rather what steps have to be takemn |
| 16:15.42 | rxcake | taken* |
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| 16:15.57 | ratrace | to do what.... having hard time parsing what you're talking about. |
| 16:16.22 | rxcake | ok dokey that directory is where the Dockerfile (that is on dockerhub) is presently sources |
| 16:16.23 | rxcake | sourced* |
| 16:16.41 | rxcake | https://hub.docker.com/_/debian -> https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/blob/270512e0323bf9fd9fc896f457e4d1c7e3c1d198/buster/slim/Dockerfile -> https://github.com/debuerreotype/docker-debian-artifacts/tree/270512e0323bf9fd9fc896f457e4d1c7e3c1d198/buster/slim |
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| 16:17.05 | rxcake | basically it consists of adding a precompiled tarball to a scratch image 'rootfs.tar.xz' |
| 16:17.12 | ratrace | I think you're confusing #debian with #random-someone-on-gh-who-made-a-docker-out-of-somethin |
| 16:17.12 | rxcake | that is present in the last link there ^ |
| 16:17.22 | rxcake | that is the official debian docker I beleive |
| 16:17.29 | Ede|Popede | !docker |
| 16:17.30 | dpkg | i guess docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net |
| 16:17.42 | Ede|Popede | uh? no "there ain't no docker"? |
| 16:17.50 | ratrace | anything "official debian" is on debian.org |
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| 16:18.18 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, huh, evdev code uses "int" for key code, that's 32-bits, or maybe there's a catch deep somewhere |
| 16:18.26 | Ede|Popede | rxcake. basically everyone could take anything from debian and do something with it. |
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| 16:18.55 | rxcake | Ede|Popede, I am aware but I thought the debian project literally maintained its namespace on dockerhub |
| 16:19.06 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: err... int is as unclear as it could be. look into some "defs.h" or "int.h" occasionally. iirc it is the size of the CPU's data bus, which may be whatever :D |
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| 16:19.56 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, "int" is at least 16 bits in ISO C and C++ and is 32 bits on i386 and amd64 ABI |
| 16:20.05 | ratrace | rxcake: and then there's this: https://hub.docker.com/_/debian |
| 16:20.19 | Ede|Popede | Lyberta: before ISO there was K&R ;) |
| 16:20.36 | Lyberta | Ede|Popede, I don't care about those :P |
| 16:20.54 | rxcake | ratrace, yeah that is where I started my search |
| 16:21.09 | Ede|Popede | i wouldn't put my hand into fire that there isn't any code around still using it |
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| 16:21.47 | rxcake | I found what I was looking for turns out this tool is used: https://github.com/debuerreotype/debuerreotype |
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| 16:46.34 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
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| 16:47.07 | cousin_luigi | Since updating to buster, named wants write access in the zone directory. What could it be? |
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| 16:55.39 | manipadme | cousin_luigi: zone dir? |
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| 17:01.11 | jelly | cousin_luigi: it ought to be happy with write access to /var/lib/bind (I might be remembering the path incorrectly) |
| 17:01.37 | jelly | cousin_luigi: did you update all the config files to latest from the package? |
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| 17:02.59 | ctcx | I was trying to set permissions g+w recursively to a directory with extended ACLs (with a '+' in its permissions). But it never accepted the changes; all files and directories still without write permission for group. |
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| 17:03.20 | ctcx | I had to remove extended ACLs, set the permissions, then add again the ACLs. |
| 17:03.26 | ctcx | Is this expected? |
| 17:03.39 | ctcx | Removed ACLs with setfacl -Rb |
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| 17:06.01 | ravioli | alright so i upgraded from debian jessie to the latest one or whatever and now when i ssh into the vps it takes probably 15 seconds to bring up the CLI after I punch in my password. how do i troubleshoot that? |
| 17:06.15 | ravioli | it's not hanging anywhere else that i've seen. just after login. |
| 17:08.25 | mattmoose | I am running debian on a thinkpad t440 and occasionally when i login my mouse stops working. I have a script to reset it, but is there a better way? |
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| 17:11.03 | jelly | ravioli: did you do it in two steps, release upgrade jessie -> stretch (debian 9), then stretch -> buster (debian 10)? |
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| 17:11.37 | ravioli | jelly: yes |
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| 17:12.58 | ctcx | jelly: any idea by chance? |
| 17:12.59 | jelly | ravioli: add set -x to your login shell rc script, see if you get any smarter. |
| 17:13.07 | jelly | !any idea |
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| 17:13.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 17:13.50 | jelly | ctcx: no, sorry, if I had an idea I'd probably have commented |
| 17:14.08 | ravioli | jelly: i'm afraid i'm a bit too much of an idiot with gnu+linux to know where to put that -x |
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| 17:14.21 | ravioli | jelly: i'm guessing somewhere in .bashrc |
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| 17:15.02 | jelly | ravioli: if your login shell is /bin/bash ("getent passwd yourusername" ... will tell you) then it's probably ~/.bash_profile |
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| 17:16.09 | jelly | see the INVOCATION section in bash(1) manual for order in which the files are searched, for a login shell |
| 17:16.16 | ravioli | i feel like an idiot but that command tells me i'm using /bin/bash and i don't have a ~/.bash_profile. i do have a .bashrc. |
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| 17:17.01 | cousin_luigi | jelly: Nope, I kept my old files. |
| 17:17.13 | jelly | cousin_luigi: that might be causing some strife |
| 17:17.44 | jelly | ravioli: I am not sure whether ~/.bashrc is read at login time. |
| 17:18.04 | jelly | ravioli: if you're the only user you can put it in /etc/profile temporarily. |
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| 17:18.32 | ravioli | jelly: just a single line that says -x |
| 17:18.33 | ravioli | ? |
| 17:18.42 | jelly | it won't hurt if you put it in ~/.bashrc for that user either, but it might be too late to catch the delay |
| 17:18.45 | jelly | yeah |
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| 17:18.54 | jelly | ravioli: "set -x" |
| 17:19.39 | ravioli | ok. what's that gonna do? |
| 17:20.15 | jelly | make the login shell be more noisy so you might figure out where it hangs (if it's a command run by the login shell that hangs) |
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| 17:20.57 | jelly | if you put it in .bashrc then it's (also?) going to make non-login shells more noisy |
| 17:21.20 | ravioli | ah, you're right. |
| 17:21.29 | ravioli | it was definitely noisy but it was noisy after the delay. |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | maybe create a ~/.bash_profile and put it there. |
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| 17:22.04 | jelly | not a bash expert |
| 17:22.05 | ravioli | done. let's see... |
| 17:22.17 | ravioli | everything's relative jelly :p |
| 17:22.20 | ravioli | you're an expert to me |
| 17:22.33 | jelly | well there are crazy people in #bash. |
| 17:23.05 | jelly | but it's also quite possible the delay happens before control is passed to the login shell |
| 17:23.06 | ravioli | hmm it wasn't noisier. but now i don't have any pretty colors anymore lol. |
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| 17:23.28 | jelly | was the delay before the first + line?\ |
| 17:23.44 | cousin_luigi | jelly: Could it be apparmor, I wonder? |
| 17:23.58 | jelly | cousin_luigi: iunno |
| 17:24.34 | ravioli | i have it set up with a key. so i type in the password on my local machine for my local machine to send the key. after i hit enter, it takes about 10 seconds for the prompt to appear to enter a command (idk what to call that line) |
| 17:25.23 | ravioli | oh wow uhh |
| 17:25.34 | ravioli | somehow in upgrading debian versions i completely broke logging?? |
| 17:25.50 | ravioli | auth.log and syslog have nothing, oldest entries are before i upgraded like 5 days ago |
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| 17:27.40 | ravioli | that's probably a worse issue eh |
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| 17:28.17 | zodd | ravioli, check if files can be written and if disk is mounted rw |
| 17:29.18 | ravioli | zodd: i can write files |
| 17:29.31 | zodd | weird |
| 17:29.39 | jelly | ravioli: "df" is useful for a quick check on disk usage |
| 17:30.01 | zodd | also check i-nodes |
| 17:30.15 | jelly | ravioli: you can proactively restart rsyslog and see if stuff starts to appear in /var/log/auth.log after logging in attempts |
| 17:30.19 | ravioli | 1.6GB available on / |
| 17:30.20 | Akuw_ | hi |
| 17:30.32 | Akuw_ | i just buyed a ram memory module https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=op5jhp1jfpepu49j74l4gp0p.jpg |
| 17:30.49 | Akuw_ | but i need to know if the new one in the package is of to replace |
| 17:31.17 | jelly | Akuw_: "image does not exist", what does "the new one in the package is of to replace" mean? |
| 17:32.04 | ravioli | logs are still stored at /var/log/syslog right? or am i looking in somewhere that logs don't exist in anymore |
| 17:32.17 | Akuw_ | https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=kpm4w4n4qpljnjd47pv46j3o.jpg |
| 17:32.18 | jhutchins_wk | applauds ravioli for asking before implementing. |
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| 17:32.27 | jhutchins_wk | Grr. SB. |
| 17:32.37 | jelly | ravioli: that file is written by the same rsyslog service that also writes to auth.log |
| 17:33.06 | ravioli | ah. |
| 17:33.19 | Akuw_ | http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=bcb476646e524f5654c1ddb68aab4575 |
| 17:33.21 | Akuw_ | sorry |
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| 17:33.37 | wwilliam | hello how do i see man 3 printf in buster? |
| 17:33.55 | Akuw_ | i need to know if that ra is ok before open, else i cant change |
| 17:34.03 | jelly | judd: file man3/printf.3.gz |
| 17:34.09 | judd | Search for man3/printf.3.gz in buster/amd64: manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man3/printf.3.gz; manpages-de-dev: usr/share/man/de/man3/printf.3.gz; manpages-ja-dev: usr/share/man/ja/man3/printf.3.gz; manpages-es: usr/share/man/es/man3/printf.3.gz |
| 17:34.18 | jelly | wwilliam: apparently you install manpages-dev package |
| 17:34.41 | ravioli | hmm. restarting rsyslog doesn't seem to help. |
| 17:34.48 | wwilliam | what should I install? |
| 17:34.50 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw_: What do you mean by "ok"? We have no idea what you're putting it in. |
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| 17:35.20 | Akuw_ | in the left is original memory that is damage, right the new one |
| 17:35.32 | jelly | Akuw_: you will need to check hardward compatibility docs for your laptop model (and possibly motherboard firmware version) |
| 17:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | ravioli: rsyslog would have been a long shot since it restarts every time you boot. |
| 17:35.58 | jhutchins_wk | Akuw_: At the very least, compare it carefully to already installed ram. |
| 17:36.44 | jelly | Akuw_: google specs for CT8G4SFS824A and see if they match the specs for your laptop. |
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| 17:36.52 | wwilliam | root@debian:~#apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 17:36.54 | wwilliam | root@debian:~#apt-cache search manpages-dev |
| 17:36.55 | wwilliam | root@debian:~# |
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| 17:37.21 | jelly | !buster sources.list |
| 17:37.22 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:37.24 | jelly | wwilliam: ^ |
| 17:37.46 | wwilliam | ok will add thank you. |
| 17:37.55 | jelly | wwilliam: verify your sources.list entries are complete. Run "apt-get update" after changes. |
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| 17:38.09 | wwilliam | OK |
| 17:39.03 | wwilliam | Thank you jelly checking... |
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| 17:39.33 | ravioli | i think i may just need to scrap this droplet and make a new one lol |
| 17:39.33 | jelly | Akuw_: this isn't a Debian question, by the way. You'd best have asked in ##hardware |
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| 17:39.59 | jelly | ravioli: and when the same symptom happens again |
| 17:40.03 | Akuw_ | jellY: ok thanks for info |
| 17:40.11 | Akuw_ | it is installed and working fine |
| 17:40.12 | ravioli | jelly: cry |
| 17:40.15 | jelly | wfm |
| 17:40.16 | ravioli | jelly: come in here and cry |
| 17:40.44 | jelly | we have a factoid for that, it's !pal ravioli |
| 17:41.22 | wwilliam | oh shoot im on stretch |
| 17:41.39 | ravioli | so if i restart rsyslog with "service rsyslog restart", how do I run it with the -d debug argument? |
| 17:42.00 | ravioli | like it's just some normal program that outputs to the console i'm typing on |
| 17:42.28 | jelly | ravioli: if there's still nothing in auth.log, how about journal? journalctl -u ssh |
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| 17:42.47 | jelly | you don't need to run ssh service with debug, yet |
| 17:43.06 | ravioli | no journal files were found |
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| 17:43.26 | jelly | ravioli: huh. Did you forget to reboot after the release upgrade? |
| 17:43.31 | jelly | uname -a says what |
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| 17:43.50 | jelly | wwilliam: /msg dpkg stretch sources.list |
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| 17:44.09 | ravioli | jelly: unfortunately no :( i've rebooted a few times |
| 17:44.19 | ravioli | Linux ravioli 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:44.27 | wwilliam | Thank you. |
| 17:44.37 | jelly | ravioli: that there is a Debian 7 kernel |
| 17:44.53 | jelly | ravioli: is this a containerized VPS where you don't have control of your kernel? |
| 17:45.06 | ravioli | u fkn wot |
| 17:45.07 | ravioli | u.... u fkn wot m8 |
| 17:45.08 | ravioli | i don't know what that means but probably now that you mention it yes |
| 17:45.14 | ravioli | idk it's digitalocean |
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| 17:45.34 | ravioli | i tihnk i have total control over it |
| 17:45.34 | jelly | ravioli: install "imvirt" or "virt-what" and run it, see what it says about the kind of virtualization used |
| 17:45.53 | discovered_ | Today i have purchased a USB Stick 3.1. After plugin i just formatted it as fat32 filesystem, now it is not detected anymore! Even in windows error code is 43(malfunction). Did i destroy this new device? |
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| 17:46.55 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: plugging it in, does the syslog look ok? |
| 17:47.33 | ravioli | jelly: kvm |
| 17:47.36 | jelly | good |
| 17:48.10 | jelly | ravioli: now you merely have to figure out why you've managed to boot a horribly old kernel. What's in ls -la /boot/ |
| 17:48.11 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:48.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:48.19 | ravioli | yeah so in the digitalocean configuration there's an option to upgrade the kernel |
| 17:48.25 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, I don't see anything bad in dmesg |
| 17:48.52 | Sepultura | I put ln -s path/to/my/executable /usr/local/bin but still can't use it as global var |
| 17:48.54 | jelly | wonder what kind of breakage DO uses to manage the boot process |
| 17:48.54 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: and fdisk/gdisk? |
| 17:48.58 | Sepultura | anyone? |
| 17:49.09 | ravioli | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3ea45523/ |
| 17:49.24 | jelly | Sepultura: show the output of ls -ld /usr/local/bin/yourexecutablename |
| 17:50.02 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, fdisk -l not listing the USB device anymore |
| 17:50.14 | Sepultura | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 9 Feb 5 17:37 /usr/local/bin/tdevmon -> ./tdevmon |
| 17:50.15 | jelly | ravioli: if you can convince the host to boot 4.19 via some control panel magic, do so |
| 17:50.29 | jelly | Sepultura: delete that. |
| 17:50.56 | Sepultura | and? |
| 17:50.58 | jelly | Sepultura: ln -s /usr/local/bin/tdevmon /original/path/to/binary/tdevmon |
| 17:51.09 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: that means it doesn't even see the device itself anymore? what about `ls -l /dev/sdX?*`? |
| 17:51.09 | jelly | it's the other way round |
| 17:51.39 | cousin_luigi | Is /etc/apparmor.d used at all if the daemon is not running or even installed for all it matters? |
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| 17:51.46 | cousin_luigi | libapparmor1 is though. |
| 17:52.00 | Sepultura | jelly: the manual of the guy is wrong then :/ |
| 17:52.25 | jelly | Sepultura: your guy does not know how to use ln |
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| 17:52.54 | jelly | Sepultura: don't forget to fix the docs for the person that will come after you! :-) |
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| 17:54.05 | jelly | Sepultura: also, I might be wrong, too |
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| 17:54.16 | jelly | don't trust random people on irc |
| 17:54.19 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, No it does not see the device anymore. ls -l /dev/sd* show only SSD and HDD disk list |
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| 17:55.07 | ruffni | unattended upgrades complains about held packages -- i have i3 and friends held back, since i have installed it from source (i3-gaps). should i unhold the packages, or just purge them via apt? unattended upgrades just stalled for 4 hours straight (had to kill -9) because of the held packages. |
| 17:55.22 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: sry, just 'sdX*'. i use the other form for manual fsck (which ofc omits the raw device) |
| 17:55.59 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: ah, ok. or better, not ok. does it reappear if you plug it out and in again? |
| 17:56.00 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, ls -l /dev/sdX* ? |
| 17:56.07 | jelly | Sepultura: yeah, I'm wrong, sorry. What was the REAL command you ran? "ln -s ~/bin/vpn /usr/local/bin" worked for me. Use absolute path for the original. |
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| 17:56.48 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: yep, or if you use sd* it is also ok. only i usually have too many entries there to not omit everything i can |
| 17:58.37 | jelly | ravioli: is grub-pc package installed? What does "update-grub" say, when you run it as root? If you show your "df" and "lsblk" perhaps you can reinstall grub to the disk. But that might break the boot process completely. I don't know how DO VMs boot. |
| 17:59.21 | jelly | I do know KVM VM on a different provider acts normally like any x86 PC with a BIOS boot. |
| 17:59.27 | swift110 | hey all |
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| 17:59.58 | ravioli | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/91c99359/ |
| 18:00.10 | ravioli | tried running as --help just to make sure i knew what i was running but it just did it anyway |
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| 18:00.19 | jelly | ah. |
| 18:00.31 | jelly | ravioli: you seem to have old grub1 for some reason. |
| 18:00.38 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, plug in/out shows nothing anymore! But nautilus become slower after plug it in |
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| 18:01.05 | jelly | ravioli: dpkg -l grub\* | grep ^.i |
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| 18:01.55 | jelly | ,v grub-legacy |
| 18:01.56 | judd | Package: grub-legacy on amd64 -- jessie: 0.97-70; stretch: 0.97-72; bullseye: 0.97-75; buster: 0.97-75; sid: 0.97-75 |
| 18:02.06 | jelly | huh, still exists |
| 18:02.54 | GNU\colossus | I hope menu.lst never dies |
| 18:02.56 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, What error message should i look in dmesg ? |
| 18:03.03 | GNU\colossus | (and with it, support for it in pygrub) |
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| 18:03.30 | jelly | GNU\colossus: pygrub is the crap I've seen Xen installations use, very fragile |
| 18:03.59 | GNU\colossus | jelly, yeah, but it works for us⢠|
| 18:04.09 | jelly | until it doesn't |
| 18:04.22 | GNU\colossus | true. but until then, it does :D |
| 18:04.30 | jelly | and then your customer can't power up the machine for days |
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| 18:04.36 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: i mean the messages which appear while you plug it in (and possibly later). i tail the log in a screen window, so i have it in realtime. |
| 18:04.37 | GNU\colossus | we don't have customers |
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| 18:04.49 | GNU\colossus | well, we do, but they don't buy Xen domUs from us |
| 18:05.00 | jelly | internal users are also users. |
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| 18:05.33 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: there should definitely be some messages with infos regarding the device and its partitions while pluging it in |
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| 18:06.15 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, It is detecting the device |
| 18:06.21 | discovered_ | Let me paste |
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| 18:08.25 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, https://paste.debian.net/1129310/ |
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| 18:10.12 | ravioli | jelly: two things. grub-common (2.02+dfsg1-20) and grub-legacy (0.97-75) |
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| 18:10.55 | Rich_Morin | Reading the docs, I gather that `apt-get install foo` will, by default, bring in all of the packages in foo's "depends" and "recommends" list. I assume that this includes the transitive closure of all subsidiary "depends" lists. However, I'm not sure whether the "recommends" lists are treated in the same way. If foo depends on or recommends bar, will bar's recommendations be installed, etc? |
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| 18:12.10 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, New error: https://paste.debian.net/1129311/ |
| 18:13.24 | jelly | ravioli: can you pastebin the whole /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 18:14.57 | jelly | ravioli: that file is weird: some of the comments are not actually comments, and affect behavior of the update-grub tool which reads them, makes changes on the uncommented bits in the file (boot entries and choice of default entry) |
| 18:15.08 | ravioli | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/acf0b766/ |
| 18:15.31 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: remembers me of the messages i got with a HDD connected with a problematic USB adapter. the least it did was to either to not work at full speed from the beginning or downgrade later. |
| 18:15.40 | jelly | ravioli: and there you go: you have a manual entry before the automagically created stuff |
| 18:16.18 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: any other usb ports available? just to find out if it is the stick or your board's usb system |
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| 18:16.24 | ravioli | so i think that's because i changed something on the digitalocean config page for my droplet |
| 18:16.40 | ravioli | or maybe not actually maybe it's from update-grub command |
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| 18:16.50 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, Let me try those ports too |
| 18:16.57 | jelly | ravioli: CAREFULLY edit line 26 to say exactly: # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 18:17.07 | ravioli | i have no idea anymore |
| 18:17.08 | jelly | with the # |
| 18:17.49 | ravioli | you better not brick me jelly :P |
| 18:17.57 | ravioli | i did it but i can't reboot until later |
| 18:18.23 | jelly | ravioli: also CAREFULLY edit line 22 to say: kopt=root=LABEL=root ro |
| 18:18.52 | jelly | you can make a backup of the file someplace else, not that it'll help :-D |
| 18:19.06 | ravioli | jelly: without that uuid thing? |
| 18:19.37 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, https://paste.debian.net/1129314/, https://paste.debian.net/1129315/ |
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| 18:19.55 | jelly | ravioli: we're trying to make those special fake comment use kernel parameters looking like the manual entry that actually works right now |
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| 18:20.36 | jelly | ravioli: maybe the root=UUID=... would work as well. Maybe not. I don't have a particular desire to try it, because root=LABEL=root seems to work right now |
| 18:21.07 | jelly | ravioli: you can confirm current parameters passed from the boot loader to the running kernel: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 18:22.11 | jelly | and honestly using LABEL= is nicer and possible to remember and type in manually, compared to UUID=hexadecimalcrap |
| 18:22.34 | jelly | ravioli: after you edit those two lines, run "update-grub" again |
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| 18:22.59 | jelly | DON'T UNCOMMENT ANYTHING |
| 18:24.17 | jelly | and then the autogenerated entries ought to look similar to the manual one on the top |
| 18:24.53 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: https://paste.debian.net/1129317/ is what i just got, seems you're missing the 2nd part |
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| 18:27.32 | jelly | ravioli: and then you can carefully try to boot from the first autogenerated entry, either by picking it in the console during the boot process, or by changing the first line of the file to default=1, or by commenting out or deleting the manual menu entry (lines 4-7 of the paste, 3-6 of the file) |
| 18:27.57 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, Second part? |
| 18:28.37 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: all the lines where my paste shows "7:0:0:0:" |
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| 18:30.13 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, Yes. Those are missing! Perhaps the device is faulty? |
| 18:30.41 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: war my thought already, but i didn't want to sound that negative ;) |
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| 18:31.03 | Ede|Popede | but as i said, your errors remind me of my old (s)ata/usb hd adapter. |
| 18:31.48 | Ede|Popede | iirc the hdd also disappeared one or two times completely during operations xD |
| 18:32.19 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, Then i should return this device asap. Got the device today, after simple format it does not work anymore! What a faulty USB! |
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| 18:33.30 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: i'd try it in another computer if possible, just to be sure it isn't your board. which i really don't hope. |
| 18:34.11 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: asides formatting, can you dd something to the raw device and then read it back? |
| 18:34.13 | discovered_ | I was excited that i got a fast reading/writing speed USB.... :( Ede|Popede, It is a OTG Device, tried it in my Phone but did not work |
| 18:35.09 | jhutchins_wk | Rich_Morin: I know that that installing recommends by default is configurable, and can be overridden on the command line, but I don't know the command or what the default behavior is. |
| 18:35.17 | jhutchins_wk | Rich_Morin: You could just try it and see, |
| 18:35.26 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: the one i was using right now is a 128GB intenso (actually a bit less, the bigger they get, the more they cut off it seems) i bought for just 10 euros :D |
| 18:36.39 | Ede|Popede | actually it is 50% bigger than my sysdisk (and no, that ain't a SDD) |
| 18:37.34 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, How could be that motherboard problem! Other USB storage device are working fine in these same ports. I have additional 2 USB Storage Device ;) |
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| 18:39.38 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, https://paste.debian.net/1129320/, output from a working device |
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| 18:40.48 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: i just don't want to exclude anything. even if logic is 100% against it. |
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| 18:44.05 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, I was pasting 10 lines of tail output :(. Anyway,Should i believe the device is faulty or test it in another computer? |
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| 18:46.26 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: i always do such crosstests. 2 PCs, 2 HDDs, 1 USB adapter. checked everything before i was convinced that i was right. lucky me, it was the cheapest part. |
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| 19:07.01 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, Shttps://paste.debian.net/1129327/ |
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| 19:12.34 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: it is from "090c Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)" according to http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids - was wondering why the message with the MTP device |
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| 19:18.07 | discovered_ | hmm |
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| 19:21.42 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
| 19:21.46 | ruffni | if i want to switch from an installed i3 to i3-gaps (from source), would i delete everything i3-related (e.g. apt remove i3*)? |
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| 19:22.25 | discovered_ | Ede|Popede, This is a sd card |
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| 19:24.35 | Ede|Popede | discovered_: i know, but what does the system think? your device isn't listed there, maybe it thinks it is some media device just because most of their devices (at least those listed) are cameras |
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| 19:24.59 | Ede|Popede | i don't think i ever had an USB device not being in the list |
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| 19:43.13 | NetTerminalGene | is it determined what kernel debian 11 will have? |
| 19:44.03 | jhutchins_wk | NetTerminalGene: It will probably depend on what's available just before the freeze. |
| 19:44.45 | annadane | that and whatever is LTS, i don't know if it always aligns? |
| 19:44.59 | annadane | it shouldn't be the newest kernel before freeze |
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| 19:45.23 | annadane | i think 5.4 is LTS (memory, could be wrong) but there'll probably be another one closer to release |
| 19:45.50 | annadane | ah no, 4.19 is still listed as longterm on kernel.org |
| 19:46.03 | jhutchins_wk | annadane: That sounds likely. |
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| 19:46.32 | annadane | 5.6 has builtin wireguard support so they may make a decision to LTS that, i have no idea |
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| 19:46.56 | annadane | and by they i mean the kernel maintainers, not the debian kernel maintainers |
| 19:47.08 | annadane | a lot of this is just my guess, i don't know it in great detail |
| 19:47.27 | annadane | there's #debian-kernel on oftc if you wanted to ask |
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| 19:48.57 | annadane | the freeze is still... 11 months or so away |
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| 19:49.02 | annadane | so lots of time |
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| 19:49.28 | ratrace | 5.4 is the next lts yea |
| 19:50.14 | annadane | maybe it's not listed as such now but will become it then |
| 19:50.29 | ratrace | https://people.kernel.org/gregkh/next-long-term-supported-kernel-release |
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| 19:51.13 | annadane | so "maybe 5.4" |
| 19:51.35 | annadane | which is very much a shorter jump than previously, jessie was 3.16, stretch was 4.9 and buster is 4.19 |
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| 19:52.41 | GNU\colossus | 5.4 is in buster-backports *right now* |
| 19:53.37 | ratrace | annadane: more than maybe. it's likely. |
| 19:54.51 | ratrace | stretch skipped 4.4 |
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| 19:56.16 | annadane | slackware still uses 4.4 :D |
| 19:57.08 | ratrace | slackware is dead in the water |
| 19:57.21 | annadane | yeah... |
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| 19:58.29 | bogdan_ | Hello, any of you fine folks uses chromium vaapi enabled on debian? |
| 20:02.30 | ryouma | ratrace: huh |
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| 20:10.38 | sebboh | kristijonas: regarding https://paste.debian.net/1129232/ .. Good news, your nexu.sh you created is working. It's starting the program. However.. the program requires JavaFX. I think there may be some Free Software replacement for JavaFX, or you may find that the only way to use that application is to install JavaFX from Oracle. (I think it is included with their JRE.) Since your script is working and |
| 20:10.39 | sebboh | you're getting an exception (error) from Java, you may find that a channel like #java would be helpful. |
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| 20:13.09 | sebboh | kristijonas: these three words, when used in your favorite web search engine, will put you on the right path: ClassNotFoundException javafx debian |
| 20:13.45 | sebboh | You'll see people trying to run other applications, not the same as yours.. but their problems and solutions will turn out to be the same as yours. |
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| 20:19.04 | Akuw_ | any tool to check hard disk activity ? |
| 20:19.30 | nyov | iostat |
| 20:19.45 | ratrace | iostat, iotop |
| 20:20.40 | nyov | ah right. iotop for live stats |
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| 20:24.55 | ryouma | those things are rather impenetrable but yeah |
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| 20:26.21 | ryouma | also gkrellm will just show you visually |
| 20:26.49 | somiaj | I like xosview |
| 20:29.29 | ryouma | looks nice. now i will have to figure out what to do to make the fonts 8x larger |
| 20:29.51 | ryouma | perhaps it doesn't respect dpi? |
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| 20:32.09 | ryouma | (that was not snarkiness) |
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| 20:34.40 | erts | Hi, I have Debian in a GPD Win (first version) and it runs great, but the battery doesn't report anything. I've tried upower, acpi, and lots of other things I can't really remember. Becoming a bit desperate. Any clues on what could be going on? The battery reports fine on Ubuntu, Fedora and openSUSE. It doesn't report anything on Debian |
| 20:34.46 | somiaj | xosview is an old piece of software, so it is probably using the old fonts, not the new xft fonts which base off of dpi |
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| 20:35.04 | somiaj | ryouma: I personally remove all the text from xosview, and only use the bars, and put them together in a pannel to give me a graph of activity. |
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| 20:35.48 | ryouma | the bars are too small too |
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| 20:36.07 | somiaj | ryouma: they grow to fit the window size you swallow them in |
| 20:36.17 | ryouma | didn't know you could put stuff together in a panel |
| 20:37.04 | somiaj | erts: so windows actually passes battery info to its linux installs in GPD? Maybe check out what kernel modules the ubuntu/fedora/openSUSE kernel are using for that and see why they are not loading/present in the debian kernel. |
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| 20:37.56 | erts | somiaj: what do you mean about windows passing stats to its linux install? |
| 20:38.09 | erts | good point about checking the kernel modules, didn't think about that... |
| 20:38.11 | somiaj | oh wait, GPD is actually physical hardware, for some reason I was thining this was the new windows 10 'chroot like' thing it has, anyways, yea look at what the ubuntu kernel is doing, also what firmware it needs, could be the debian kernel is either missing the module or firmware. |
| 20:38.29 | somiaj | erts: I missunderstood you, I assumed GPD was something else. |
| 20:38.33 | erts | Ahh, that makes more sense! Nope, no windows at all here :P |
| 20:39.04 | somiaj | I was thinking WSL (the win 10 linux subsystem), since I don't use either I forgot which anacoronom it was. |
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| 20:40.12 | erts | somiaj: No worries. Mmmm I'm thinking that I could skip the loading different distros in USB drives, I could diff the kernel config in Ubuntu against the one in Debian |
| 20:40.16 | erts | does that make sense? |
| 20:41.24 | ratrace | for what end goal? |
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| 20:41.57 | somiaj | erts: sure, debian provides its config at /boot/config-<version> |
| 20:42.01 | erts | to know which modules each kernel includes, and see if any might be related to this device's battery |
| 20:42.28 | erts | However now that I think about it, if both kernels have it compiled as a module, I won't find anything. I guess I have to check the loaded ones instead |
| 20:42.31 | ratrace | erts: keep in mind that ubuntu does so called "SAUCE" patches, which are specific to ubuntu. |
| 20:42.40 | somiaj | erts: It could also just be a firmware issue (most likely), you could try firmware-misc-nonfree see if that helps, but unless you can identify what module/firmware/etc actually works makes it harder to look into if debian has it or not and why. |
| 20:43.20 | somiaj | but since I don't know the hardware, my first point of attack would be look at the kernel that works and see what module/firmware/etc it uses, then go see if debian has that module/firmware/etc |
| 20:43.27 | erts | somiaj: I installed all the free and nonfree firmwares available in the repositories... so unless something is missing there... |
| 20:43.46 | erts | I guess another interesting check would be to compare the contents of the firmware packages between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 20:44.28 | somiaj | To me it would be easiest to identify what module/firmware ubuntu is actually using then look at the debian kernel to see if it is there or not |
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| 20:44.53 | somiaj | I think if you just look at the differences you'll get to many things to parse through to try to identify which one is the culprit for this issue. |
| 20:45.09 | erts | yep, definetly. Is there a way to see which firmware blobs are loaded? |
| 20:45.31 | ratrace | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
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| 20:46.04 | erts | ratrace: amazing, thanks!!!! |
| 20:46.23 | erts | didn't know they were logged to dmesg, at least I'm learning new stuff :P |
| 20:47.01 | ratrace | erts: they're logged both on success (direct-loading firmware <path>) and on missing firmware, so you can use that to find package you need, by feeding the path to apt-file |
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| 20:50.04 | erts | amazing stuff |
| 20:50.23 | erts | ok I have plenty of work to do now then...wish me luck! |
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| 20:55.44 | jhutchins_wk | !rsyslog |
| 20:55.44 | dpkg | rsyslog is an enhanced <syslog> daemon. With stock logging rules, it can be used as a drop-in sysklogd replacement. rsyslog is the default kernel/system log daemon as of Debian 5.0 "Lenny", but is not installed when upgrading from Debian 4.0 "Etch" (ref. §2.2 of the <lenny release notes>). http://wiki.debian.org/Rsyslog http://www.rsyslog.com/ #rsyslog on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:10.37 | Aebian | is there a log I can check why suddently my WiFi adapter is really slow andd I even had to make my wifi sssid visible in order to the debian network-manager find it. Wasn't a problem yesterday. Also it seems that I'm unable to add new connections in the ui as there is no button for it. KDE is used as DE |
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| 21:14.00 | jhutchins_wk | Aebian: There is an "applet" that you may need to add to the toolbar, which might be as simple as running nm-applet. |
| 21:14.34 | jhutchins_wk | Aebian: As for speed, that's usually a matter of signal quality. |
| 21:15.04 | jhutchins_wk | Aebian: Most messages related to wifi networking will show up in dmesg (dmesg -T | less) |
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| 21:26.39 | Aebian | well I just came back from work and my WiFi gone weird. About the applet, even in the ordinary system settings the button is missing |
| 21:27.00 | Aebian | it says connected but I'm not even able to write on irc stable |
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| 21:27.26 | Aebian | had to switch over to my pc for that. It is a laptop btw with Intel wifi |
| 21:27.37 | Aebian | I'll check dmesg |
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| 21:34.51 | jhutchins_wk | Aebian: Probably time for a reboot. |
| 21:35.31 | Aebian | did that already, no change. I just re-installed firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:43.02 | erts | ratrace, somiaj: thank you guys so much for your help. I booted into Ubuntu and found three modules I didn't have. Now acpi reports a discharging battery, but without the percentage. Will continue the troubleshooting tomorrow |
| 21:43.09 | erts | but thank you so much for putting me in the right track! |
| 21:43.18 | erts | cheers!! :D |
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| 21:43.40 | Aebian | did nothing, WiFi ui says 0b/0b |
| 21:44.21 | Aebian | I'm connected to the same AP and network over my phone and everything works. Just not with my Debian laptop |
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| 21:47.05 | somiaj | Aebian: what wifi card are you using in debian? Most wifi cards require non-free firmware which is not installed by default in debian (which is the most common issue) |
| 21:47.53 | somiaj | oh you have the firmware, maybe it is some issue with the tool you are using to manage your network, also check out 'rfkill' to see if you have any hard or soft locks on your wifi |
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| 21:50.57 | Aebian | it's not that the card itself is not working. It worked yesterday and the weeks before. Just today it stopped working. Intel Canon-Point CNVI. Now it even refuses to connect to the wireless network at all |
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| 21:51.59 | Aebian | yesterday I had connection issues were the card took 4-5 times until it finally accepted the connection but it worked. Today it is just completely broken |
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| 21:52.50 | Aebian | dmesg does not state any error except that the auth with my AP timed out |
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| 21:55.22 | somiaj | hence why I said check out rfkill, you may have a soft or hard block on the card you triggered. |
| 21:55.26 | jhutchins_wk | Aebian: Could be signal strength/quality on whatever band it's trying to use. |
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| 22:08.57 | Aebian | wow... restarting my AP worked. Sometimes the simplest solutions do work |
| 22:09.50 | Aebian | thanks for help still |
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| 22:33.27 | ZaZaGX | so in my tmerinal i accidentally typed in my password. its still in the query. how do i delete it? |
| 22:34.46 | jelly | backspace key? |
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| 22:36.32 | ZaZaGX | oh that works |
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| 22:43.09 | digmorepaka | Hello! I am working on an automated tool that needs a live linux enviroment and certain options configured. I have found live-boot after digging through the mostly useless google results, however the site that is linked to on the debian package page is dead, and changing options in the configuration files doesn't seem to do anything. Is there a better more up to date method to do this that you would recommend? I need grub in efi mode, a kernel |
| 22:43.09 | digmorepaka | parameter, a few local files, a few packages from the debian repos, and possibly packages from PIP. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 22:54.11 | ZaZaGX | i can't install my hp envy 5055 on my debian 10 |
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| 23:03.42 | de-facto | does the nginx package support http post uploads? |
| 23:05.15 | mladoux | https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/modules/upload/ |
| 23:05.22 | mladoux | it's a module |
| 23:05.58 | de-facto | yeah that was what i was hoping for, yet when i use that in debian i get nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "upload_pass" |
| 23:06.07 | de-facto | installed nginx-extra |
| 23:06.17 | de-facto | on buster |
| 23:06.38 | mladoux | yeah, not sure what the compile options were, let me look to see what I can find |
| 23:07.09 | de-facto | i am just curious how to do POST uploads since "Upload Progress" module is included |
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| 23:08.38 | de-facto | cant really believe debian would ship nginx without upload support |
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| 23:13.08 | Miles8of9 | it may be a security problem! |
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| 23:14.24 | de-facto | why would that be a sec prob? |
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| 23:14.58 | de-facto | if i configure it, i know its active and am responsible for its usage |
| 23:15.47 | Miles8of9 | someone could post dangerous contents to server hd! |
| 23:16.06 | de-facto | lol |
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| 23:16.14 | Miles8of9 | my server admin thinks like so... |
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| 23:16.34 | de-facto | yeah well then he just dont configure that module |
| 23:16.41 | ksk | de-facto: seems it was part of nginx-extras in wheezy - but not anymore. |
| 23:17.04 | de-facto | omg for real? so POST uploads are not supported? |
| 23:17.47 | de-facto | why is upload progress included then? |
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| 23:19.17 | ksk | de-facto: eh? you need a backend to handle file uploads. the nginx upload module would be such a backend, tightly knitted into(onto) nginx.. |
| 23:19.39 | ksk | the upload progress can be used in conjunction with any backend, as far as I know. |
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| 23:20.26 | ksk | de-facto: you could also alwys take nginx upstream debian packages, I suppose the module would be included over there - take a look |
| 23:20.36 | Miles8of9 | de-facto, why rely on configuration when you can compile software without that support??? :D |
| 23:20.45 | de-facto | well what i was hoping to be able to do is get rid of php for handling uploads since its so slow |
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| 23:21.45 | ksk | I doubt php will be a factor here in that scenario. |
| 23:22.27 | ksk | not that I like php, but it will not make your uploads slow imho ;) you can also use any other backend, ruby, python, nodejs.. |
| 23:22.47 | ksk | (maybe do not use nodejs) |
| 23:22.49 | de-facto | php is broken on 32 bit, it cant even handle fseek beyond 2GB... |
| 23:22.53 | Sierra | The only effect I can see PHP having on uploads is if your config has a cap of file size or transfer limits |
| 23:23.01 | Sierra | transfer speeds rather* |
| 23:23.23 | ksk | I am not aware of a php variable that would limit that :P |
| 23:23.53 | ksk | and yes, 32bit php has been borken a long time as far as I know, but who uses 32bit anyways? |
| 23:24.06 | Sierra | Not 100% sure myself if there's a transfer speed specific option, thinking about it. File size limits for upload/download I know exists though |
| 23:24.14 | ksk | + |
| 23:24.17 | de-facto | its implementation uses unsigned ints for pointer arithmetic hence it cant handle files beyond 2GB on 32 bit |
| 23:24.32 | de-facto | so php is off table, i need native support |
| 23:24.59 | Sierra | I joined late and missed the original thing - What are you looking for? |
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| 23:25.48 | de-facto | Sierra, I tried to use https://www.nginx.com/resources/wiki/modules/upload/ with the debian package |
| 23:26.17 | de-facto | seems nginx would not support handling POST requests himself on debian |
| 23:26.32 | de-facto | in regards to file uploads of course |
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| 23:27.03 | Sierra | Ah - Nginx isn't something I'm familiar with. |
| 23:27.29 | ksk | its not about wheter we are familiar - it is just not part of the nginx(-extras) package from debian. period. |
| 23:27.41 | de-facto | its an http server handling about one third of http requests nowerdays |
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| 23:28.21 | de-facto | yeah, its very sad, i wonder why its not included, would not compile or for security reasoning? |
| 23:30.17 | de-facto | hmm maybe i can include that in the source package, but then i would have to compile on every update which i was hoping to prevent |
| 23:30.55 | ksk | de-facto: http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html#Debian |
| 23:31.21 | ksk | make sure to remove any debian nginx packages before adding that one. |
| 23:31.33 | de-facto | does that include upload? |
| 23:31.43 | ksk | I dont know. |
| 23:32.24 | de-facto | it looks like its only x86 |
| 23:32.39 | de-facto | i am on armhf |
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| 23:41.29 | de-facto | also it looks like its not included in the nginx version aswell, i really wonder for reasoning since i want to understand |
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| 23:44.19 | de-facto | in the debian wiki they say "The Upload module (not to be confused with Upload Progress) has been removed since 1.4.0-2 (May 1th, 2013)." |
| 23:46.34 | de-facto | where can i find the old package sources? |
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| 23:51.24 | somiaj | ngnix is more meant to be a for static sites, could it be what you are trying to do just works better with apache. |
| 23:51.39 | somiaj | (I find I use ngnix on my host to proxy, but for non static sites I end up using a vm with apache) |
| 23:52.43 | ksk | just no. nginx can pass stuff to backends just fine. |
| 23:53.08 | nyov | which makes it a proxy ;) |
| 23:53.37 | somiaj | hmm, wonder why the nginx-upload module no longer works with 1.3.x and above (why it was removed). I don't see any bug report for this though. |
| 23:53.57 | somiaj | but I do see a new module, libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress |
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| 23:54.43 | somiaj | ,i libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress |
| 23:54.51 | judd | Package libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress (httpd, optional) in buster/amd64: Upload progress system for Nginx. Version: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; Size: 96.9k; Installed: 139k; Homepage: https://nginx.net |
| 23:54.55 | de-facto | its just for tracking the progress i think |
| 23:55.23 | somiaj | yea, I was hoping judd had the description, anyways, "It works by tracking the uploads proxied by Nginx to upstream servers without analysing the uploaded content and offers a web API to report upload progress in Javscript, Json or any other format." |
| 23:55.36 | de-facto | if nginx does POST uploads to backends, it looks like it cant handle them itself |
| 23:55.37 | somiaj | so yea that module is assuming ngnix is just being a proxy to upload to something else. |
| 23:56.18 | de-facto | i am trying to integrate the original upload module in the debian sources, yet i would like to know the reason for its removal |
| 23:56.27 | somiaj | de-facto: it is in the changelog |
| 23:56.47 | somiaj | "This module no longer works with 1.3.x and above. Removed as of now." |
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| 23:57.07 | somiaj | I don't see a debian bug report, so check upstream bug reports and see if it has been fixed |
| 23:57.09 | ksk | ehm, is upstream is no longer available at all - that might be the reason. |
| 23:57.20 | nyov | but why should it handle uploads? Isn't the purpose of using nginx speed and a lean webserver? if you add ALLTHEMODS, you just have another apache |
| 23:57.22 | ksk | *its |
| 23:58.05 | somiaj | de-facto: it was broken, so it was removed, and appears nothing has been put in its place. |
| 23:58.06 | ksk | ehm nevermind, just the tree that nginx.org linked is gone, the module itself is still there. |
| 23:58.20 | de-facto | hmm yet it seems it still releases https://github.com/vkholodkov/nginx-upload-module/releases "v2.3.0 on 2 Aug 2018" |
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| 23:58.57 | somiaj | yea, usually they give a bug report, maybe it was something specific in debian that broke it, maybe it was fixed upstream but hasn't been included back in debian. |
| 23:59.51 | de-facto | debian has a very old version here https://sources.debian.org/src/nginx/1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4/debian/modules/nginx-upload-module/ |
