| 00:00.11 | adikt | perfect |
| 00:03.04 | joepublic | when you boot from super grub 2 rescue disk (for example) your mdraid should be assembled on boot |
| 00:04.58 | Kadigan | I'll give it a shot, see what I can see. |
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| 00:23.31 | J0P3YE | I notice that Debian-Xfce comes packaged with UXTerm, XTerm, XfceTerminal, and Thai X Terminal tucked away in Applications > Settings. Do I need all of these terminal choices? |
| 00:24.06 | J0P3YE | Can I get rid of all but xfceterminal per say? |
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| 00:26.03 | Kadigan | joepublic: couldn't see anything ("Missing operating system"). |
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| 00:26.45 | Kadigan | However, I was inaccurate in my original reporting. What I thought as "grub" is actually fine -- it's mdadm that's not working right. I assume that by changing/updating it, I scrambled the UUIDs it uses to start. So a better question would probably be: how do I fix those? |
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| 00:54.56 | joepublic | my mdadm-fu is admittedly super weak but I remember from when i used it that it was very well documented. |
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| 01:02.34 | Kadigan | Yeah, I'm doing my best to find info on repairing the config file. I'm currently booted into a live CD and chrooted into md0 |
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| 01:04.37 | Kadigan | Fun fact, output of `mdadm --detail --scan` matches what I have in mdadm.conf, so I'm not sure where the problem is... Probably somewhere in initramfs, since that's what (I think) broke it. |
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| 01:12.31 | fuxxy | 1GB at 72MB/sec takes.... |
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| 01:13.57 | panda_friend | How do I stop my audio balance from automatically rebalancing to perfect 50-50? It keeps undoing my changes. |
| 01:14.02 | fuxxy | erp, already screwed up. 1TB=1048576MB |
| 01:14.40 | fuxxy | roughly 4 hours |
| 01:16.54 | fuxxy | panda_friend, alsa or pulseaudio? |
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| 01:19.47 | panda_friend | fuxxy: Control Center -> Sound Preferences -> Output... whatever that is... |
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| 01:21.07 | somiaj | most likely pulse these days with any desktop enviorment. |
| 01:22.13 | Kadigan | nvz, joepublic -- okay, I'm officially pinning a "total noob" badge to myself, but it now works. |
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| 01:22.37 | Kadigan | I went back to what the params were before the changes, update-initramfs -u and it now boots in AHCI. |
| 01:22.38 | joepublic | that's about my level (total noob) of raid mastery. |
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| 01:22.56 | joepublic | just glad it's working. |
| 01:23.07 | Kadigan | The weird thing is, when I first made the changes and booted into AHCI, it did start grub, but it had mdadm errors. Previously, AHCI got me a "Please insert boot device" message |
| 01:23.22 | pureos | what level raid? |
| 01:23.26 | Kadigan | Raid1 |
| 01:23.45 | Kadigan | (2x 1TB magnetic) |
| 01:24.19 | soft_cement | Hi, I'm getting a weird issue... when trying to install a package file that exists in the current directory, I get the following error: Unsupported file ./elasticsearch-6.5.0.rpm given on commandline |
| 01:24.29 | soft_cement | The command I'm using is: apt-get -y install ./elasticsearch-6.5.0.rpm |
| 01:24.31 | Kadigan | So it seems that whatever changes I made, apart from breaking mdadm, also fixed grub in AHCI. Changing it back fixed the boot after that. I don't understand it at all, really. |
| 01:25.02 | somiaj | soft_cement: why are you trying to install an .rpm (red hat package) on debian (which uses .deb) |
| 01:25.24 | somiaj | soft_cement: in general you can't just install packages like this (even installing random .deb's you download is not suggested and can break things) |
| 01:25.51 | soft_cement | somiaj: honestly I'm not sure. I'm working on this with someone else, who said it can be converted... we're following a guide that is *supposedly* written for Debian/Ubuntu |
| 01:26.04 | soft_cement | somiaj: so then the problem is as I suspected, that debian can't work with .rpm packages? |
| 01:26.27 | joepublic | the phrase "apt-get ... rpm" indicates that someone, somewhere, is being trolled. |
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| 01:26.43 | somiaj | soft_cement: there is alien, but even then, unless the package was built using libaries that are also present in debian (with similar versions) it still won't work. |
| 01:26.50 | soft_cement | okay, thanks guys :) |
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| 01:27.15 | somiaj | !don't break debian |
| 01:27.15 | dpkg | i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 01:27.28 | BazookaTooth | doesn't alien do rpm to deb conversions? |
| 01:27.40 | somiaj | soft_cement: ^^ you should even be careful installing .deb's you find in random places, just because you have a .deb doesn't mean it is compadable and can install on your debian without breaking things. |
| 01:27.57 | BazookaTooth | eh somiaj got it |
| 01:27.59 | soft_cement | somiaj: of course |
| 01:28.03 | somiaj | BazookaTooth: at some level, but still doesn't mean some random rpm is compadable with the version of debian being used. |
| 01:28.14 | BazookaTooth | yup. aware |
| 01:28.30 | BazookaTooth | would rather just yank it from github or build from source than use weird conversions |
| 01:28.49 | pureos | is the rpm equivalent for deb? |
| 01:29.01 | pureos | there no* |
| 01:29.04 | somiaj | pureos: basically. |
| 01:29.33 | somiaj | rpm is what redhat (so rhel, centos, fedora) use along with suse and a few other linux distros. |
| 01:30.33 | pureos | my bad, i was typing to fast for my thoughts. |
| 01:31.09 | pureos | does deb not have an equivalent for the rpm that is trying to be used? |
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| 01:31.34 | somiaj | oh I see the question, unsure, no clue what elasticsearch is |
| 01:31.45 | pureos | same |
| 01:32.14 | somiaj | there are various packages that work with elasticsearch in debian, unsure what one is needed in this case. |
| 01:33.04 | somiaj | I see some cli, python, ruby, clients, for elasticsearch, but unsure what else would be needed |
| 01:33.11 | soft_cement | "new elasticsearch package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1" |
| 01:33.22 | soft_cement | is exit status 1 a generic error that it didn't work? |
| 01:33.32 | somiaj | soft_cement: we aren't gonna support some random .rpm you downloaded. |
| 01:33.38 | soft_cement | somiaj: fair enough |
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| 01:33.49 | somiaj | soft_cement: any exit code other than 0 means something failed. |
| 01:33.54 | soft_cement | right |
| 01:34.09 | soft_cement | so I guess it's up to the author of said script what 1 means |
| 01:34.09 | somiaj | debian already contains various elasticsearch clients, I would start there. |
| 01:34.19 | soft_cement | okay I will look at those, thanks |
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| 01:35.12 | somiaj | but don't follow some random guide on the internet that suggests starting with an rpm, unless you know what it is doing and why, you can easily break your debian doing stuff like that (and unfourntally the internet is full of bad advise that can do this) |
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| 01:42.35 | soft_cement | Well this guide is by the authors of the software we are trying to install... nevertheless it has a few errors |
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| 02:34.37 | godane | so i noticed that aufs-dkms package has not been updated |
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| 02:35.20 | godane | it can be upload using this repo : https://github.com/sfjro/aufs5-standalone |
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| 07:38.49 | fuxxy | I dumped my database to an sql file to change the saved hostname in multiple tables. Would the standard 'mysql -u username -p database_name < file.sql' UPDATE the records that have been modified? |
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| 07:47.03 | petn-randall | fuxxy: Your dump likely contains plain SQL commands. So if there's an insert statement, it'll likely just insert it, or fail on a unique constraint. |
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| 07:47.29 | petn-randall | fuxxy: If you drop your table first you can restore the backup. |
| 07:47.40 | petn-randall | table = database |
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| 07:49.47 | fuxxy | I'm worried if I drop the table, if there are any relationships, they'll be broken |
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| 07:50.40 | petn-randall | fuxxy: That's why I said dump the complete database. |
| 07:51.03 | petn-randall | fuxxy: But why not just go the easier route and run those update statements? |
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| 08:06.49 | ajazdzewski | hi, i like to know if there was a reason to disable http in qemu-img |
| 08:06.50 | ajazdzewski | qemu-img? Could not open 'http://...qcow2': Unknown protocol 'http' |
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| 08:07.43 | Cyb0ti | Sorry not sure...Maybe in preference for secure protocol |
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| 08:09.55 | ajazdzewski | i will check if it is also the case in bullseye ... |
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| 08:11.04 | petn-randall | ajazdzewski: Is http even supported as a protocol? |
| 08:11.28 | petn-randall | I can't find any mentioning in the man page. |
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| 08:13.24 | ajazdzewski | petn-randall: yes it worked before |
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| 08:15.08 | petn-randall | ajazdzewski: before what? |
| 08:17.39 | nevivurn | ajazdzewski: not sure if it's the same issue, but I remember seeing something similar after copying stuff around, check if there are any invisible characters in there. |
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| 08:18.54 | ajazdzewski | petn-randall: it also fail in bullsey but it work in ubuntu 18.04 ... we are in the progess to migrate from ubuntu to debian and we deploy our VM that way |
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| 08:22.52 | petn-randall | ajazdzewski: Oh, so it worked on Ubuntu, but never in Debian. Maybe you need to install some extra packages. |
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| 08:23.10 | jm_ | that's odd, ubuntu's man page is exactly the same as debian's |
| 08:24.09 | petn-randall | ajazdzewski: Can you show the command + output of the working example in Ubuntu? |
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| 08:25.22 | ajazdzewski | petn-randall: yes i just had the same idea ;-) |
| 08:26.15 | ajazdzewski | petn-randall: jepp '# apt install qemu-block-extra ' sole the issue |
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| 08:28.02 | ajazdzewski | and now it works 'qemu-img convert -f qcow2 -O raw http://.../...qcow2 /dev/vg0/a3ab0b2b-0f9e-4ad9-a200-214fa4a6b4b4.disk0' |
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| 08:28.50 | petn-randall | ajazdzewski: Glad you got it fixed! Yay \o/ |
| 08:29.13 | ZAJDAN | hi...could anybody explain me command 'find' what means option -printf %P |
| 08:29.52 | ZAJDAN | in manpage is: %P File's name with the name of the starting-point under which it was found removed. |
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| 08:30.15 | ZAJDAN | but what means the starting point? |
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| 08:34.25 | nevivurn | ZAJDAN: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-D debugopts] [-Olevel] [starting-point...] [expression] |
| 08:34.38 | nevivurn | so the path you input |
| 08:34.44 | jm_ | ZAJDAN: it means the part that you supply to find on command line is removed |
| 08:34.55 | jm_ | basically you get relative filenames |
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| 08:36.21 | ZAJDAN | jm_ aha..simply say it cutout the path from where I launch the find? |
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| 08:36.45 | jelly | ,v patroni |
| 08:36.46 | judd | Package: patroni on amd64 -- buster: 1.5.5-2; bullseye: 1.6.3-2; sid: 1.6.4-1 |
| 08:37.05 | jm_ | ZAJDAN: not where you launch it from, the starting-point... command line argument |
| 08:37.40 | ZAJDAN | jm_ aha now I understand(Iam not native english) |
| 08:37.59 | GNU\colossus | jelly, pgdg also packages patroni, iirc |
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| 08:44.12 | ZAJDAN | on one next thing..how to pass the list from find into rsync option: find /tady/ -type f -mtime -1 -printf %P\\0\\n | rsync --files-from= ? |
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| 08:45.59 | jm_ | it will read from stdin if you say --files-from=- |
| 08:47.08 | ZAJDAN | jm_ ok and the stdin is expressed as symbol - ? |
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| 08:49.13 | jm_ | ZAJDAN: it's a common pattern shared by many unix commands, but it does not work in all cases (in this case man page explains too) |
| 08:49.40 | ZAJDAN | jm_ thank You |
| 08:49.52 | jm_ | no problem |
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| 08:52.30 | ZAJDAN | jm_ in what manpage I can readout about the stdin ? |
| 08:53.30 | ZAJDAN | man rsync speaks just about stdout |
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| 08:54.18 | nevivurn | ZAJDAN: `Using this option allows you to specify the exact list of files to transfer (as read from the specified FILE or - for standard input).` |
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| 08:55.08 | ZAJDAN | nevivurn: thank You |
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| 08:58.29 | ZAJDAN | I am not native speaker, but I would write: (as read from the specified FILE or symbol '-' for standard input) |
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| 08:59.55 | nevivurn | ZAJDAN: depends on your man browser / terminal, mine shows it bolded a bit, may help readability |
| 09:00.08 | jm_ | ZAJDAN: for your question, man rsync |
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| 09:00.37 | jm_ | ZAJDAN: (as read from the specified FILE or - for standard input). |
| 09:00.43 | jm_ | that's from the man page |
| 09:00.55 | ZAJDAN | thank You mans |
| 09:00.56 | jm_ | ahh already mentioned above, sorry |
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| 10:31.03 | anonymip | is it possible to add anew line to /etc/crontab if you want a cron job to run at a speciffic time that don't fall under either of /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.weekly or /etc/cron.monthly ? |
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| 10:38.39 | at0m | anonymip: "crontab -e" |
| 10:38.51 | mllie | I did run "rsync -avzP /Volumes/Extern/* /Volumes/home/". How can I now verify that no files differs? Just running it again outputs all files, not only the diffing files? |
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| 10:39.37 | tarzeau | mllie: i use file size+file count, du -sh and find .|wc -l then you could compare cat recursively all files through md5sum :) |
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| 10:41.55 | mllie | tarzeau How would that look like with md5sum? :) |
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| 10:42.11 | tarzeau | mllie: slow :) |
| 10:42.32 | tarzeau | mllie: even file count is slow with 18million files, and du is even slower |
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| 10:42.47 | tarzeau | mllie: i usually skip that part, and trust rsync |
| 10:43.52 | mllie | Doesn't rsync do md5 as well? |
| 10:44.19 | mllie | I only have 850k files, then maybe I could stick with the md5 as well? ;) |
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| 10:47.51 | nlpqda | connecting ethernet cable to the laptop's network port will automatically disable wifi connection, how to keep both acitive and automate the find the best connection among them to do tasks. |
| 10:47.57 | nlpqda | ? |
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| 10:49.31 | jm_ | mllie: I use rhash or cfv to generate and compare checksums for directory trees |
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| 10:51.51 | Bodiro | Big thank you, to all, who work on Debian. I love it and it made my life easier for years! |
| 10:53.25 | Haohmaru | i think they would be more likely on another network.. the dev guys |
| 10:53.38 | Haohmaru | this is moar for user support |
| 10:53.49 | Haohmaru | oftc probably |
| 10:54.21 | Bodiro | Haohmaru: I see your point, but this is, where I am ;-) |
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| 11:00.38 | ws2k3 | im getting ImportError: No module named lsb_release what can i do to resolve this issue? it seems to be a python3 script |
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| 11:02.51 | jm_ | try installing the lsb-release package |
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| 11:20.24 | anonymip | at0m, what about "crontab -e" |
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| 11:22.13 | CombatVet | does anybody know a simple pastebin-like but for files? with like a 'browse' button and lets users choose files they want to upload? similar to megaupload |
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| 11:25.17 | Wulf | CombatVet: dropbox? |
| 11:25.43 | Wulf | CombatVet: or a graphical sftp client which you use to upload files to your own webserver? |
| 11:27.04 | jm_ | you mean to host your own? something like https://github.com/bepasty/bepasty-server/ ? |
| 11:27.23 | CombatVet | ooh perfect |
| 11:27.31 | anonymip | I just added a new folder "cron.myjobname" under /etc, and and put the cron job there, then speciified that in a new line in /etc/crontab |
| 11:28.25 | CombatVet | jm_, do you use that yourself? |
| 11:28.42 | jm_ | CombatVet: no, we use just some simple pastebin for text |
| 11:28.45 | anonymip | thet seems to work, at least I can run it manually with sudo run-parts /etc/cron.backup |
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| 11:29.30 | CombatVet | just hope it's not a resource hog, hope to run n a container |
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| 11:34.00 | nlpqda | was my question unclear or not doable? |
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| 11:38.44 | jm_ | nlpqda: I don't use wifi, but perhaps start by finding out what disables it in the first place |
| 11:38.44 | ratrace | nlpqda: probably a bit of both. you can technically have both eth and wlan NICs up and running. routing decides which NIC to transfer packets through. Look into network interface bonding to see how to utilize failover or other features of it: https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
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| 11:43.55 | Wulf | nlpqda: on my laptops I usually set ethernet to manual mode. (Add in /etc/network/interfaces.d/). Then plugging in a cable won't affect wifi. But that won't solve your b) |
| 11:44.15 | Wulf | nlpqda: "nmcli d" should say sth like "eth0 ethernet unmanaged --" |
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| 11:45.27 | Wulf | And my wifi is still a bit faster than my internet connection (100 mbit/s downstream), so no need to use ethernet here. |
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| 11:55.25 | ws2k3 | im getting ImportError: No module named lsb_release what can i do to resolve this issue? it seems to be a python3 script |
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| 11:56.08 | ratrace | ws2k3: you were told to install the lsb-release package, as it contains the python module |
| 11:56.26 | ws2k3 | ratrace: i scrooled back but didnt see a respondse |
| 11:56.46 | ratrace | ws2k3: jm_ told you two minutes after you posted |
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| 11:57.06 | ws2k3 | ratrace: then i proberly missed that. thx for ur respondse that resolved the issue i was having |
| 11:57.06 | ratrace | didn't hilight you, but still... the channel was quiet, no other convo going |
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| 12:01.27 | cHi-ses- | hi all :) someone using "direct replication" in maxscale for columnstore? |
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| 12:29.15 | Fox | cHi-ses-: maybe you should join #maria ? |
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| 13:22.57 | muhaha | guys? I disabled secure boot and now I am getting black screen after reboot ( startup/shutdown is working ok ). any idea? |
| 13:23.10 | muhaha | os was installed with enabled secure boot |
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| 13:27.52 | petn-randall | muhaha: Which OS release are you running? |
| 13:28.59 | muhaha | debian based |
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| 13:29.18 | petn-randall | muhaha: What does that mean? |
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| 13:35.45 | Guest81334 | muhaha, try switching console |
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| 13:35.54 | muhaha | Nothings works.. |
| 13:36.13 | towo^work | try switching to debian |
| 13:36.17 | muhaha | :D |
| 13:36.21 | towo^work | debian based is not supported here |
| 13:36.30 | muhaha | I waited for this.. |
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| 13:38.16 | ayekat | wait until Toy Story 5 has a character named 'based', and then we get all confused in here |
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| 13:40.56 | ratrace | ayekat: bwahahahaha |
| 13:41.07 | muhaha | for all debian based guys with same problem -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853075 |
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| 13:43.26 | joepublic | we are mostly not debian based. we run the real thing :) |
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| 13:49.05 | muhaha | would you trial me even if I would use ponyOS ? |
| 13:49.54 | muhaha | or all this negative energy is directed to debian based os ? :D |
| 13:50.43 | drewolson | hi folks -- i'm experiencing an issue when trying to upgrade to the newest containerd.io on my digital ocean server https://pastebin.com/Lh1FzBWV |
| 13:50.47 | joepublic | it's positive energy! you are encouraged to use a debian-based os (being a base for other OSs is a goal of the debian project), and to go gripe in their channel. |
| 13:50.49 | drewolson | however all just worked fine on my laptop |
| 13:50.52 | ratrace | muhaha: there's no negative energy. we simply have no idea what various downstream forks and "base on" things have changed, and we cannot possibly know. |
| 13:50.54 | drewolson | any suggestions? |
| 13:50.55 | ratrace | !based on |
| 13:50.56 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:52.04 | ratrace | !tell drewolson about debian-next |
| 13:53.45 | drewolson | ratrace i'm on stable. but are you saying that because the package isn't canonical i should ask in this other channel? if so, got it! thanks. |
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| 13:54.30 | drewolson | regardless, based on curling the URL, it seems the server may be having issues right now. thanks! |
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| 13:54.48 | ratrace | drewolson: there's no containerd in debian stable |
| 13:54.55 | ratrace | ,v containerd |
| 13:54.56 | judd | Package: containerd on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.3.3~ds1-1; sid: 1.3.3~ds1-2 |
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| 13:55.44 | ratrace | drewolson: and if you're on "a downstream based on debian distro" then the same factoid applies to you, the one for muhaha. we cannot support all the gazillion of variations every fool with a fork habit thinks of. |
| 13:56.14 | joepublic | *every group who honors the debian goal of being a base for other distros |
| 13:56.48 | drewolson | i'm just on debian buster. i added the apt source for containerd myself. but fair point, understood. |
| 13:57.24 | ratrace | the gazillion of third party packages that aren't officially in debian pose the same problem. |
| 13:57.26 | joepublic | what is your source for containerd? |
| 13:57.53 | drewolson | joepublic: `deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian buster stable` |
| 13:58.05 | joepublic | okay, that looks reasonable |
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| 14:00.10 | dob1 | I would like something like watch but that doesn't clear the screen on every update |
| 14:00.19 | dob1 | that It continues to append |
| 14:00.37 | colo-work | while :; do yourprogramgoeshere; sleep 2; done |
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| 14:00.56 | colo-work | (in any bourne-compatible shell) |
| 14:00.56 | joepublic | ^^^ |
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| 14:03.09 | dob1 | I try thanks |
| 14:03.15 | Fox | drewolson: was ok yesterday when I upgraded mine, but looks like it disappeared from there repo now https://download.docker.com/linux/debian/dists/buster/pool/stable/amd64/ |
| 14:03.38 | drewolson | it's strange, i just upgraded my laptop (same repo) like 15 minutes ago and all worked. |
| 14:03.45 | drewolson | but when i moved to my sever, this problem arose |
| 14:04.11 | drewolson | (i'm taking it to #docker, thanks folks) |
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| 14:04.45 | joepublic | 'luck. |
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| 14:17.43 | FullForce | Does anyone know how to change the color of your name? |
| 14:17.56 | FullForce | unable to find the right command |
| 14:18.14 | Wulf | FullForce: names got a colour? where? |
| 14:18.48 | FullForce | @Wulf on the right hand panel |
| 14:18.57 | ayekat | right hand panel of what? |
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| 14:19.39 | Wulf | FullForce: in your "Purple IRC" client? No idea. |
| 14:19.45 | ratrace | probably of their irc client, and they think everyone are using and seeing the same thing |
| 14:20.01 | FullForce | yes |
| 14:20.10 | ratrace | we have no clue, obviously. |
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| 14:20.13 | FullForce | it's penguin messanger |
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| 14:20.26 | Wulf | FullForce: even if you do: Nobody else would be able to see your colour. IRC has no colours. |
| 14:20.35 | Wulf | (good, +c is set) |
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| 14:21.05 | FullForce | +c |
| 14:21.10 | ayekat | was about to try colours in here to go o'rlly? but d'oh |
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| 14:23.35 | davis | hello debian people! |
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| 14:24.55 | davis | If I wanted to talk to someone regarding setting up a second wifi as an access point with debian, what channel would be the best to talk? |
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| 14:27.16 | Wulf | FullForce: I have no idea what your client is doing. Please ask in #pidgin |
| 14:27.21 | ratrace | davis: this channel is for debian support, so you can describe your problem here. |
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| 14:28.24 | Wulf | davis: you've got debian running on your access point? |
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| 14:29.21 | davis | ratrace: cool. I found a guide, it uses network manager. What's odd is that it seems to require one a dedicated ethernet connection since it can not bridge (is that the term?) one wifi point with a second. When you click setup access point for the second wifi connection, it says, this will disconnect you from the existing wifi connection on the first wifi adapter. |
| 14:29.43 | davis | Wulf: i am using a debian 10 laptop which has a builtin wifi and a usb wifi adapter. |
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| 14:30.57 | Wulf | davis: do you really want a bridge, or would routing work too? |
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| 14:32.23 | davis | Wulf: to be honest, I want to simply get a ntp server setup for the wifi access point. |
| 14:33.01 | davis | i am trying to mock a server for an embedded device to connect to and test the embedded device wifi driver stack. |
| 14:33.09 | ratrace | davis: if NM can't do it (and I wouldn't know if it can) you can always set it up the good old fashioned way with hostapd, wpa_supplicant and some routing magick |
| 14:33.18 | davis | so I don't really need a bridge of traffice but it would be nice. |
| 14:33.41 | ratrace | usually people are bridging eth with wlan, hardly wlan to wlan, though it's of course technically possible. |
| 14:33.43 | davis | ok hostapd sounds like something to read. i saw that listed when i was googling. |
| 14:33.46 | Wulf | davis: I believe I once saw that bridging wifi+ethernet isn't possible. But I never checked why not. |
| 14:34.11 | davis | i thought wlan to wlan would be simpler. sounds like its not. |
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| 14:34.39 | ratrace | it's the same thing as wlan to eth. entirely different question is whether NM supports it. |
| 14:34.53 | davis | the goal is to manipulate the access point to test how the embedded device handles a weak wifi access point. |
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| 14:35.50 | davis | vary the laptops wifi signal, delay network responses etc. While the entire time the laptop has a reliable network wifi connection so we can access the laptop remotely |
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| 14:36.19 | davis | i'll read on hostapd. that is a good start. many thanks. |
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| 14:39.27 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 14:39.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:39.31 | petn-randall | muhaha: ^^^ |
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| 14:40.22 | ratrace | petn-randall: which is usually the reason people seek "based on" support here :) |
| 14:40.40 | petn-randall | muhaha: It's because it's easy to create a Debian based distribution, never fix any bugs, and then just point your users into the #debian channel. In which case we'd scratch our heads over bugs that have been long fixed in Debian proper itself. |
| 14:40.48 | petn-randall | Which is then a waste of time for us, and for you. |
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| 14:41.19 | ratrace | petn-randall: (oh lol I thought you were "muhaha" laughing at that last sentence) |
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| 14:46.40 | davis | greycat: thanks for helping me with my wifi adapter setup and upgrade to debian 10 yesterday. My upgrade went smoothly yesterday. I tried three different github repos for the correct driver but once I had the driver and the kernel from debian 10, the adapter worked flawlessly. |
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| 14:55.50 | Iridos | dpkg, apparmor |
| 14:55.50 | dpkg | AppArmor (Application Armor, formerly SubDomain) provides pathname-based mandatory access control, a file-system neutral alternative to <SELinux>. Previously maintained by Novell and part of the Linux kernel since version 2.6.36. http://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor http://apparmor.wiki.kernel.org/ #apparmor on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:56.33 | Iridos | Nothing about that it's on by default in buster? |
| 14:56.55 | ratrace | Iridos: that'd be in buster releaes notes |
| 14:57.25 | joepublic | and probably also in your dmesg somewhere |
| 14:57.52 | joepublic | or /var/log/kern/log if you want timestamps in local time. |
| 14:58.00 | joepublic | kern.log* |
| 14:59.53 | Iridos | hmm. it does. minimally |
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| 15:00.13 | joepublic | sometimes less is more? |
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| 15:01.30 | Iridos | not sure I want that |
| 15:02.22 | ratrace | Iridos: what info are you looking for exactly? |
| 15:02.32 | Iridos | just saw it in dmesg and that thunderbird can't read a lot of files⦠like .mime.types and some cache and some font stuff and mailcap |
| 15:02.53 | ratrace | Iridos: afaik thunderbird AA profile isn't loaded by default? |
| 15:02.59 | Iridos | and logging in has been hideously slow and now I wonder if that's also caused by stuff not being able to open some files |
| 15:03.05 | ratrace | by default it comes with a very limited set of policies |
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| 15:06.45 | ratrace | Iridos: no, I'm wrong. the thunderbird package itself installs it. Now that's unfortunate. |
| 15:07.43 | ws2k3 | how can i search which version are available for one package? |
| 15:07.52 | greycat | apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 15:08.06 | greycat | didn't I tell you this yesterday, or the day before? |
| 15:10.56 | joepublic | making you now the storage location of this information. |
| 15:10.59 | joepublic | sigh. |
| 15:11.49 | ratrace | Iridos: you can run aa-disable /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.thunderbird as root to disable the profile (restart thunderbird) |
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| 15:12.12 | ratrace | (I'd suggest you to fix it rather than disable it, though) |
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| 15:13.09 | greycat | wonders what the apparmor.d/ file will be for a program with literal dots in its name, like /usr/bin/vim.basic or /usr/bin/python3.7 |
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| 15:14.13 | ratrace | greycat: the naming there is just a convention, but it'd be eg. /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.vim.basic |
| 15:14.42 | ratrace | like eg. usr.lib.GConf.2.gconfd-2 already exists in extra profiles |
| 15:15.13 | greycat | and I guess they just pray there's never a name collision between / and . |
| 15:16.24 | ratrace | greycat: the filename is jsut convention, there'd be no collision. the profile inside itself names the paths it's responsible for |
| 15:16.37 | greycat | ohhh |
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| 15:28.34 | Iridos | ratrace, thanks⦠dunno if I have the patience to figure out how apparmor works, though |
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| 15:30.58 | Iridos | hm, seems that's not hard |
| 15:31.23 | Iridos | but not sure this makes much sense for thunderbird⦠|
| 15:31.28 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.31 | greycat | simply disabling it the way ratrace said seems simple |
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| 15:32.02 | Iridos | I checked if I want to "fix it", as he suggested⦠|
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| 15:32.34 | Iridos | and guess it's not because I probably have read accesses for attachments all over the place |
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| 15:33.00 | neilthereildeil | hi. how can i disable dhcpd from serving on an interface? |
| 15:33.23 | ratrace | Iridos: blanket access to entire ~/ would be against the purpose of a MAC, and indeed at least firefox (the other, similar, mozilla product) profile does block access to ~/.ssh for instance. it's not as clear cut, and there are abstractions etc..... point is, thunderbird is a vast suite that should NOT install its AA profile automagically. |
| 15:33.28 | ratrace | not even FF does. |
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| 15:33.56 | Iridos | yeah, I disabled it, thanks |
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| 15:34.27 | Iridos | I think that the pain of figuring out why I can't attach a file or save a file is probably not worth it |
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| 15:34.59 | ratrace | sounds like somethign that should've been caught by QA and at least disabled in later point releases. |
| 15:35.13 | greycat | neilthereildeil: I thought you had to explicitly *tell* it which interface to operate on |
| 15:35.59 | ratrace | Iridos: the bugs seem to have been filed though: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=thunderbird |
| 15:36.05 | neilthereildeil | greycat: ya, but i want it on all interfaces other than like 2 interfaces. and there will be new bridge interfaces created during the lifetime of dhcpd |
| 15:36.24 | neilthereildeil | greycat: i wont know all the interfaces at the time that i start dhcps |
| 15:36.29 | neilthereildeil | dhcpd* |
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| 15:38.08 | joshuaBPMan | Hey #debian...my wordpress install is being weird...editing a page shows nothing. |
| 15:38.14 | joshuaBPMan | This seems to be a very recent development... |
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| 15:39.23 | ws2k3 | how can i search which version are available for one package? |
| 15:39.33 | greycat | *PLONK*( |
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| 15:39.56 | neilthereildeil | greycat: heh its an interesting usecase |
| 15:40.04 | horseshoecrab | i think greycat is right |
| 15:40.23 | horseshoecrab | you have to explicitly set what interfaces you want in /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server |
| 15:40.42 | horseshoecrab | which i assume means you cant pre-configure interfaces that won't exist when the daemon starts |
| 15:41.10 | neilthereildeil | horseshoecrab: what if i create new bridge interfaces after i start dhcpd, and i then want dhcpd to serve on those new interfaces? |
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| 15:41.37 | horseshoecrab | i assume you need to configure it in /etc/defaults/isc-dhcp-server and then restart the daemon so it re-reads its config |
| 15:42.05 | neilthereildeil | is there a way to run multiple instances of dhcpd and have them sync around the lease DB? |
| 15:42.30 | horseshoecrab | not that i am aware of |
| 15:43.03 | nlpqda | jm ratrace Wulf .. thanks for your answer, I'll try to apply what said and see if it works. brb |
| 15:43.12 | neilthereildeil | horseshoecrab: what i COULD do is run dhcpd every time i create an interface, but it would need to know what is already in the DB. if they use some sore of interprocess communication betwen the instances, they could sync |
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| 15:43.42 | horseshoecrab | i don't think i know enough about what you are trying to do to comment on that. |
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| 15:44.44 | horseshoecrab | i saw what greycat posted about having to explicitly set the listening interface, remembered i run isc-dhcp-server and had a look |
| 15:44.47 | neilthereildeil | horseshoecrab: imagine i create a new bridge interface every minute and want to serve dhcpd on it |
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| 15:45.21 | horseshoecrab | couldnt find anything in the config file but when i looked in /etc/default i saw that there was a setting to set the interface to listen on, and i had indeed done so for ipv4 but not ipv6 (as i use slaac for that) |
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| 15:45.36 | ratrace | ws2k3: you really have trouble paying attention to responses to you whole day now, huh? :) |
| 15:45.49 | ws2k3 | ratrace: is that so? |
| 15:45.53 | ratrace | lsb-releaes, package version, all been told and you keep re-asking |
| 15:46.02 | horseshoecrab | 15:44:48 neilthereildeil | horseshoecrab: imagine i create a new bridge interface every minute and want to serve dhcpd on it |
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| 15:46.24 | ws2k3 | ratrace: haha no this is a New question :D |
| 15:46.28 | horseshoecrab | without wanting to poke fun at what is probably a real world problem causing you some stress, do i have to? |
| 15:46.41 | horseshoecrab | id rather imagine something nice like some kittens playing! :P |
| 15:46.48 | ratrace | ws2k3: and greycat responded to you, apt-cache policy |
| 15:46.56 | ws2k3 | what time? |
| 15:47.21 | ws2k3 | cause i scrolled back. and even searched the history. didnt found a respondse. :( this is so weird. second time i had this today wtf |
| 15:47.24 | ratrace | ws2k3: the very same minute you asked, there was no posting inbetween |
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| 15:49.58 | gvth | Hi; can I install a testing system with the stable installer without first having to install a stable system and then upgrading to testing? |
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| 15:50.23 | nkuttler | gvth: no |
| 15:50.39 | nkuttler | just install the base system and upgrade that |
| 15:50.57 | ratrace | or use the testing's ISO to begin with. |
| 15:51.13 | nkuttler | testing isos are for testing the installer, not installing testing |
| 15:51.21 | greycat | *if* the testing d-i is in a working state, which you'd have to ask the testing support channel about |
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| 15:52.09 | joshuaBPMan | hmmm, I think I am noticing that trying to edit a "page" in wordpress, is trying to let me edit a "post"...Is a page a post? |
| 15:52.11 | joshuaBPMan | idk |
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| 15:54.26 | ratrace | joshuaBPMan: something ##wordpress folks or related chans might know better |
| 15:54.48 | joshuaBPMan | thanks. |
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| 16:12.50 | joepublic | a page is not a post. |
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| 16:28.29 | neilthereildeil | also, when i configure dhcpd to have multiple subnets, how do i associate those subnets with an interface? |
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| 16:47.09 | CaptainShell | Is there a way to install the debian documentation on debian.org/doc locally? |
| 16:47.50 | PaddyF | yup |
| 16:48.10 | PaddyF | most of it if not all is available as *-doc package |
| 16:48.45 | PaddyF | !doc |
| 16:48.46 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>. |
| 16:48.54 | PaddyF | !finding docs |
| 16:48.54 | dpkg | Documentation is available in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ (esp. the README.Debian files!), man command, apropos command, info command, apt-cache search -- "-doc$". Some packages have a -doc package (perhaps in non-free, ask me about <gcc-doc>, <gdb-doc>). Also ask me about <list docs>, <debian system>, <debwiki>, <search>. http://debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDocumentation http://tldp.org/ http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ |
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| 16:49.00 | PaddyF | uh |
| 16:49.20 | PaddyF | ah! apt-cache search -- "-doc$" :) |
| 16:49.54 | qorg11 | Why don't GCC have man pages? |
| 16:50.06 | CaptainShell | Is the debian-handbook in there? |
| 16:50.10 | greycat | !gcc-doc |
| 16:50.10 | dpkg | The man pages for <gcc> are in non-free, as they are released under the <GFDL> with invariant sections, so they do not meet the <DFSG>. To install, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the gcc-doc package. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then install the manpages-dev package. |
| 16:51.05 | greycat | ,info debian-handbook |
| 16:51.06 | judd | Package debian-handbook (doc, optional) in buster/amd64: reference book for Debian users and system administrators. Version: 8.20180830; Size: 31245.6k; Installed: 169333k; Homepage: https://debian-handbook.info; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debian-handbook |
| 16:53.25 | davis | i used to be able to do some networking commands on a debian box, way back when ip addr, ip set link, route add,etc. I am using a debian 10 box now. i have ip commands but not route. Is there a new tool for the route command? |
| 16:54.18 | jhutchins_wk | davis: ip has a route function. |
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| 16:55.13 | PaddyF | is it save for desktop use to let network manager handle the route stuff? |
| 16:55.27 | davis | ahh, was route one of the tools used when you did ifconfig and now that ifconfig is replaced with ip it does route? |
| 16:55.54 | greycat | that sounds right |
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| 16:55.59 | CaptainShell | how do you make apt search or dpkg-cache search only show installed packages? |
| 16:56.05 | davis | ahh, cool. yes the man page has route. many thanks |
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| 16:56.38 | PaddyF | or better wording than "network manager" is maybe "the installer" |
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| 16:56.58 | davis | i'm guessing its not as simple as simply adding ip before "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1" |
| 16:57.05 | PaddyF | i selected manual configuration but never poked the route configuration |
| 16:59.13 | jhutchins_wk | PaddyF: If you change networks it's easiest to manage connections with network manager. If you don't, either the interfaces file or dhcp would be the way to go. |
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| 16:59.33 | jhutchins_wk | !interfaces |
| 16:59.33 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 17:00.16 | PaddyF | !static route |
| 17:00.16 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
| 17:00.21 | davis | hmm. it looks like it might be something like this: ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
| 17:01.23 | davis | not sure if I use for the device, the interface which is the gateway or the interface for the new network? trial and error test. |
| 17:01.54 | enyc | davis: uerm that loosk like a route that would be implied anyway by you setting a 192.168.1.* /24 ip address on that interfage eth0 in first place |
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| 17:02.34 | CaptainShell | You have a separate 192.168.1.1/24 network with a router on .1.1? |
| 17:02.35 | davis | i was using eth0 from my old notes. |
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| 17:03.11 | davis | in this case, I am trying to route from a access point I am trying to create on a second wifi adapter to one on my existing wifi. |
| 17:03.17 | CaptainShell | davis: you can't have a route with a gateway that's on the same network that you're adding! |
| 17:03.30 | jelly | CaptainShell: you don't, but aptitude has a more complex search syntax you can express that in |
| 17:03.39 | CaptainShell | ok thanks |
| 17:03.54 | davis | im thinking this is the syntax. ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev wlp4s0 |
| 17:04.14 | davis | wlp4s0 is my laptops built in adapter which is connected to an existing wifi. |
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| 17:04.32 | ratrace | davis: is wlp4s0 in that subnet? |
| 17:04.37 | gh00p | So .. I see that static route response up there, but adding lines to /etc/network/interfaces seems inelegant to me. Is that really the right way? |
| 17:04.54 | davis | ratrace: i don't think so. it is in the subnet provided by the router. |
| 17:04.57 | CaptainShell | The router doesn't need to be configured, only the clients do (except for dhcp server config). |
| 17:05.11 | CaptainShell | davis: packet forwarding must be enabled |
| 17:05.12 | ratrace | davis: then you shouldn't be adding that route |
| 17:05.25 | davis | they use a 10.x.x.x subnet on the existing wifi |
| 17:05.36 | ratrace | davis: you probably don't even have to add any routes. as each NIC receives an IP (statically or dhcp), so is the route automatically created for the subnet |
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| 17:05.58 | davis | i am setting up an access point on my second wifi card |
| 17:06.00 | ratrace | davis: now the only question is whether you use dhcp or static addressing, and wheter you want to NAT or not between wlan and eth |
| 17:06.11 | davis | im not connecting it to the existing wifi router. |
| 17:06.20 | CaptainShell | davis: your access point/router must allow you to add routes for this to work. Netgear and Linksys do. Dlink may not. it varies. |
| 17:06.58 | ghoti | gh00p: I've always set static routes in /etc/rc.local. Also inelegant, but it means I can do things that aren't tied to a particular interfaces. |
| 17:07.11 | davis | CaptainShell: i am trying to setup two wifi adapters. one is a client to a router. the second will be my own access point with a bridge to the first. |
| 17:07.20 | CaptainShell | It seems like you're going at this backward. The router actually doesn't need to be configured with custom routes, it usually already knows about them. The other devices do! |
| 17:07.40 | CaptainShell | davis: you can't bridge wifi without 4way-mac AKA WDS support. |
| 17:08.13 | davis | on second shot it sounds like this is the right syntax |
| 17:08.15 | davis | ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.1 dev wlxe84e066cc0ee |
| 17:08.15 | gh00p | ghoti: thanks, that's what I do also, I've been too lazy to research a better way. At least I know what a shell script is doing. |
| 17:08.30 | davis | wlxe...ee is the interface which is the access point |
| 17:08.37 | ratrace | can we at least ridicule you for abusing rc.local like that? :) |
| 17:08.50 | CaptainShell | and if you're bridging you would be using something like br0 for ifname |
| 17:08.51 | ghoti | ratrace: yes! |
| 17:08.58 | ratrace | oh, goody! :) |
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| 17:09.40 | CaptainShell | davis: you want wireless hosts to connect to your computer, and your computer then connects to the AP/router right? |
| 17:09.43 | ghoti | I've got openvpn connections to a few different places. What I SHOULD be doing us using OSPF to manage my routes, but I'm not there yet. |
| 17:10.04 | davis | hmm. neiter way worked |
| 17:10.14 | CaptainShell | davis: do you want this to work? |
| 17:10.40 | gh00p | ghoti: FRR is beautiful, if you're familiar with Cisco IOS. |
| 17:10.40 | davis | CaptainShell: I am have a laptop, with a builtin wifi adapter which is connected to a wifi router. i'm using it to talk to you. |
| 17:10.50 | CaptainShell | If you want to experiment and do trial and error that's fine too |
| 17:10.56 | CaptainShell | IT's a great way to learn |
| 17:11.27 | ghoti | beautiful? hah, haven't heard that before. Yes, I've used FRR and will again. Just need to rationalize allocating time to "fix" something that already works. |
| 17:11.52 | davis | CaptainShell: on this same laptop, i have a usb wifi adapter. I have followed a guide to setup hostap. the guide uses older route commands. I'm trying to adjust for use with ip based commands and not ifconfig style. |
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| 17:12.15 | davis | err ip only and not ifconfig/route |
| 17:12.20 | CaptainShell | davis: most likely that guide contains incomplete information |
| 17:12.34 | davis | CaptainShell: agreed |
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| 17:13.34 | CaptainShell | davis: you have to 1) be able to modify the routing table on the AP/router device, 2) Don't do that and set up NAT/Masquerade, or 3) Use wireless bridging (or even repeater mode) which not all hardware supports. |
| 17:13.51 | CaptainShell | there is no other way to do this that I know of |
| 17:14.24 | CaptainShell | I don't know which of these 3 methods the guide is having you do it |
| 17:15.20 | davis | CaptainShell: this is the notes I have so far. http://paste.debian.net/1130620/ |
| 17:15.58 | CaptainShell | davis: can you just run it in ad-hoc mode for the time being and not do hostapd? |
| 17:16.11 | CaptainShell | (most android devices won't do ad-hoc though) |
| 17:17.25 | CaptainShell | davis: the guide you're following is using NAT (masquerade) |
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| 17:17.52 | CaptainShell | so you'll have double layer nat which many people frown at, since uPNP and that sort of stuff will be completely broken |
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| 17:19.16 | davis | CaptainShell: yes, perhaps. |
| 17:20.26 | CaptainShell | davis: if you're able to go on your router/AP management interface and set up a route there it is much better to do it that way than using NAT |
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| 17:22.21 | ratrace | isn't it better to just get a wifi repeater? those things are rather cheap |
| 17:23.20 | davis | hmm. its a pity, ip route del xxxx syntax man page does not have an explicit example |
| 17:23.31 | davis | all my attempts are failing. |
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| 17:26.00 | CaptainShell | ratrace: they cut the speed down to half since they store and forward on the same channel |
| 17:26.29 | CaptainShell | Some Linux wireless drivers support repeater mode too |
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| 17:26.52 | CaptainShell | AT least I assume they use the same channel |
| 17:27.14 | ratrace | CaptainShell: can get a cheap wifi router thingy then, those things are at least configurable in a way where channels can be separated |
| 17:27.40 | CaptainShell | They typically have to be wired to the other AP |
| 17:28.16 | CaptainShell | With 2 wifi cards, you can have two non interfering networks where the computer is a router |
| 17:28.37 | CaptainShell | You can set this up in like 5 commands (without dhcpd) |
| 17:28.43 | ratrace | CaptainShell: not necessarily. I've set up a few like that |
| 17:29.00 | CaptainShell | ratrace: does it have dual radios and WDS mode? |
| 17:29.16 | CaptainShell | That is essentially a wireless bridge then |
| 17:29.51 | davis | ip route del 192.168.1.0/24 dev wlxe84e066cc0ee |
| 17:30.20 | ratrace | CaptainShell: I don't know. I do know that I could set up different channel from the "upstream" AP, and completely separate credentials and security mode even |
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| 17:33.07 | CaptainShell | davis: Here is the guide that davis is following: https://www.shellvoide.com/wifi/setup-wireless-access-point-hostapd-dnsmasq-linux/ It seems that the route command that they have there just under ifconfig wlan0 is completely wrong and pointless. ANyone else agree? |
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| 17:33.57 | CaptainShell | They're adding a network route with the gw on the same network |
| 17:34.09 | CaptainShell | which overlapps the one created with ifconfig |
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| 17:34.34 | CaptainShell | davis: that guide has at least one huge mistake in it |
| 17:34.58 | CaptainShell | It's not worth your time |
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| 17:35.48 | ratrace | yeah that route with gw is wrong |
| 17:36.02 | davis | ahh, what should it be? |
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| 17:36.26 | CaptainShell | davis: it shouldn't be anything. THere is no need to change the routing table on the router computer. |
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| 17:36.52 | davis | so no need for the route statement? |
| 17:37.11 | CaptainShell | there is no reason to follow a guide so full of mistakes and uselless steps |
| 17:37.29 | ratrace | well you do need a default route unless that's already set up via dhcp |
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| 17:37.41 | stellardens | Hello people |
| 17:37.47 | CaptainShell | right in that guide they're not using a dhcp client |
| 17:37.47 | stellardens | Anyone here using Debian & xfce ? |
| 17:37.52 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 17:37.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:37.56 | davis | hmm. well omitting the route entry and doing the next step with dnsmasq fails. |
| 17:37.57 | stellardens | Oh sorry |
| 17:38.03 | CaptainShell | but then they have the static IP config totally wrong |
| 17:38.05 | stellardens | My light-locker isn't playing nice with xfce4 on Debian |
| 17:38.17 | stellardens | Whenever I'm resuming from suspend, the screen is blank |
| 17:38.27 | stellardens | and I have to open tty1, then tty8 to actually see the login prompt |
| 17:38.36 | CaptainShell | stellardens: are you able to ctrl+alt+F1 to console? |
| 17:38.41 | stellardens | Are there any alternatives? |
| 17:38.47 | stellardens | Yes I am CaptainShell |
| 17:38.50 | CaptainShell | oh so you are |
| 17:38.55 | stellardens | I can ctrl+alt+f8 to login prompt too |
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| 17:39.08 | CaptainShell | usually it's F7 |
| 17:39.11 | stellardens | But I don't want to be doing that every time |
| 17:39.13 | stellardens | Yes it's F7 |
| 17:39.16 | stellardens | or F8 |
| 17:39.23 | stellardens | Can't remember exactly, sorry. |
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| 17:39.37 | stellardens | But is there a way to not be doing that? It's not really a nice user experience |
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| 17:39.53 | CaptainShell | davis: how about seeing if you can add a route on your wifi router's admin page and start from there |
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| 17:40.00 | joepublic | uninstalling light-locker is a workaround |
| 17:40.14 | CaptainShell | davis: I could go on stackexchange and write an actually useful guide |
| 17:41.16 | CaptainShell | It's frustrating that this kind of erroneous click bait stuff is out there with instructions that can't possibly work |
| 17:41.35 | davis | CaptainShell: my friend. i'm trying to setup this laptop as a router so I can remote into using existing network. this adapter acesspoint i am setting up will be for testing an embedded device. |
| 17:42.06 | davis | i intend to stress this acess point, toggle it off and on, change tx power levels, etc. |
| 17:42.47 | CaptainShell | fine but that AP will never have Internet access or any layer 3 communications if you follow that error filled guide |
| 17:43.12 | davis | i don't care if it has internet accesss. i just want it to connect to this laptop. |
| 17:43.35 | davis | i will at most setup ntp on this laptop to give the embedded device ntp access. |
| 17:43.40 | CaptainShell | In that case, just iwconfig <wlan0hateve> mode master |
| 17:43.52 | CaptainShell | or follow hostapd instructions |
| 17:44.24 | CaptainShell | you can set up a dhcp server on the laptop or statically configure you embedded device |
| 17:44.54 | CaptainShell | not all wireless devices support master (AP) mode |
| 17:44.54 | fred`` | did somthing change in recent kernels, that its not possible anymore to hide PIDs by setting the known hidepid-Parameters in fstab ? |
| 17:45.01 | CaptainShell | the only option may be ad-hoc |
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| 17:45.42 | ratrace | fred``: not that I know of. what kernel version, and what's your fstab line? |
| 17:46.00 | CaptainShell | Does anyone know how add or remove a service from automatic start up on Debian? rc-update doesn't exist ... I tried reading some documentation. |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | CaptainShell: systemctl disable service |
| 17:46.28 | greycat | and you were thinking of update-rc.d which was pre-systemd |
| 17:46.44 | CaptainShell | thanks |
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| 17:48.04 | fred`` | ratrace: the line is 'proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0' and i'm sure it worked on the very same systems for ages. kernel is a 5.5. the same entry works on machines with 4.19 |
| 17:48.35 | davis | how do i tell if i have a dns server running on this laptop? |
| 17:48.43 | davis | ps auxw | grep bind? |
| 17:49.26 | fred`` | davis: netstat -an | grep 53 |
| 17:49.30 | greycat | davis: it can have other names. perhaps something like "dig @127.0.0.1 A foo" and see if it times out, or comes back with a response. |
| 17:49.50 | ratrace | fred``: and what does mount | grep "on /proc" say? |
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| 17:50.19 | fred`` | davis: or use 'netstat -tulpen | grep 53' - then you can also see the provess-name which runs on the port |
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| 17:51.23 | fred`` | ratrace: proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,hidepid=2) |
| 17:51.46 | ratrace | and despite that, you can still see other UID's /proc entries? |
| 17:52.08 | fred`` | oh fuck |
| 17:52.11 | fred`` | sry :/ |
| 17:52.14 | fred`` | i messed smth up |
| 17:52.23 | fred`` | thats for asking these questions |
| 17:52.27 | fred`` | *thanks |
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| 17:52.51 | fred`` | i messed up dmesg with ps :/ |
| 17:53.05 | Strife89 | I'm doing an apt full-upgrade, and some packages are giving this message: |
| 17:53.05 | Strife89 | Err:228 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 libreoffice-math amd64 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5 |
| 17:53.05 | Strife89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.15 | davis | i added a port=0 to my dnsmasq and it dnsmasq works. |
| 17:53.16 | fred`` | thx ratrace :/ |
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| 17:54.39 | joepublic | shouldn't it be fred$() nowadays? |
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| 17:55.14 | ratrace | fred``: :) |
| 17:55.21 | joepublic | shellcheck always complains at me when it finds `` |
| 17:55.22 | fred`` | (hmpf) |
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| 17:55.58 | greycat | `backticks` in shell are considered legacy syntax, not recommended for any new scripts |
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| 17:56.49 | joepublic | is there a particular syntactical or semantic reason? just curious |
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| 17:58.16 | greycat | https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
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| 17:58.27 | joepublic | thanks |
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| 17:59.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 17:59.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | so... |
| 17:59.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | im trying to install debian 10 on my netbook, fresh install, i followed this how to to make the usb disk and it is not letting me boot it |
| 17:59.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://linuxize.com/post/create-bootable-debian-10-usb-stick-on-linux/ |
| 17:59.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | it sees it usb sandisk but it won't boot |
| 18:00.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is efi i think |
| 18:00.28 | petn-randall | Eryn_1983_FL: What did you use as "sdx"? |
| 18:00.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | sdd |
| 18:00.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | my usb disk |
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| 18:02.05 | Mathisen | Eryn_1983_FL, what debian image did you use ? |
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| 18:02.29 | Mathisen | of my memory serves me right i think the minimal one dont have efi suport |
| 18:02.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:02.32 | Mathisen | if* |
| 18:02.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh shit.. |
| 18:02.39 | Mathisen | yeah change image |
| 18:02.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | wait thats amd64 |
| 18:02.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need i386 |
| 18:02.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | bonks head |
| 18:02.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok which one do i need? |
| 18:03.18 | greycat | depends on the machine, obviously |
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| 18:03.50 | joepublic | what processor does it have? |
| 18:04.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | pbbt i dont know |
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| 18:04.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | let me look.. |
| 18:04.19 | Strife89 | What model netbook? |
| 18:04.29 | joepublic | modern intel chips are "amd64" architecture because amd invented 64-bit x86 extensions which intel later implemented as itanium imploded. |
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| 18:05.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | x20st asus |
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| 18:06.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | intel atom cpu z3745f 1.33 ghz |
| 18:06.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | 686 pae kernel |
| 18:08.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i think these are the right ones https://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/debian-cd/10.3.0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 18:10.51 | joepublic | The atom z3745 is 64-bit |
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| 18:11.21 | GNU\colossus | it may be one of those infamous devices with 32bit-only UEFI, I think... |
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| 18:11.39 | petn-randall | yuck |
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| 18:15.01 | Plasmoduck | Hello, I want to build a Linux dialog terminal tool to select package mirror for Debian based systems. Goals are; Instead of hand editing /etc/apt/sources.list I can type 'sudo mirror-select' or something similar and have an interactive menu popup where I select my country, then state/territory then the mirror I would like to use then hit save and boom it automagically updates my /etc/apt/sources.list file. How would I go about creating |
| 18:15.01 | Plasmoduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.34 | greycat | you don't write tools that edit sources.list. you write tools that drop files in sources.list.d/ and remove them. |
| 18:15.48 | greycat | that's what the entire *.d/ paradigm is *for* |
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| 18:16.07 | greycat | also, |
| 18:16.09 | greycat | !deb.debian.org |
| 18:16.09 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
| 18:16.11 | Plasmoduck | Okay well how could I get started? |
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| 18:17.04 | GNU\colossus | if that's a training exercise, I think it's a neat project :) I'd start looking into established programming languages (Python, for instance) and their bindings for the ncurses library (the de-facto standard for interacting with terminal (emulators) to create TUIs) |
| 18:17.35 | Plasmoduck | Yes I was thinking python and C |
| 18:17.50 | ratrace | with python, use a higher level module like dialog. ncurses is rather low level |
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| 18:18.12 | GNU\colossus | that's fair, but it depends on the scope of the training exercise |
| 18:18.15 | ratrace | or simply steal the code that the installer is doing already :) |
| 18:18.44 | GNU\colossus | (the result will not really be a useful program; greycat already detailed the reasons why) |
| 18:18.54 | GNU\colossus | yeah, I was thinking of d-i, too :) |
| 18:19.16 | greycat | d-i probably uses bash + whiptail, but I haven't actually checked |
| 18:19.31 | greycat | or... more likely dash + whiptail |
| 18:19.41 | ratrace | also, don't use C unless you really have to (assignment?). if for whatever reason you want performance, there be much safer languages that execute on the baremetal. Rust ferinstance. |
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| 18:21.16 | CaptainShell | Does rust protect against use after free errors? |
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| 18:22.13 | ratrace | not dealing with pointers manually is among primary reasons rust exists |
| 18:22.29 | ratrace | (where use after free is consequence of fiddling with pointers manually) |
| 18:23.24 | greycat | the proposed project isn't one where I would choose a lower-level or compiled language. it's well-suited to any scripting language. |
| 18:23.34 | ratrace | indeed. |
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| 18:27.07 | CaptainShell | Did they name it "rust" because of code rot, where they plan to continuously change the rust languages as they've done with python 3 and PHP so that projects that are no longer maintained will rust away? |
| 18:28.21 | joepublic | bash + dialog could do a custom sources.list-obliterator |
| 18:28.47 | greycat | yeah, bash + dialog would have been my first choice if I had to do this |
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| 18:29.02 | greycat | Tcl + Tk maybe second choice, but I think they specified terminal |
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| 18:30.53 | CaptainShell | ratrace: couldn't all use after free security problems be avoided by having free() NULL the pointer after freeing it? |
| 18:31.06 | greycat | that's not how pointers work |
| 18:31.31 | greycat | your code has a variable named ptr with the value 0x12345678 in it, and passing that value to free() doesn't change this |
| 18:31.41 | CaptainShell | safe_free(void **) |
| 18:31.50 | jelly | also, this isn't ##programming |
| 18:33.15 | ratrace | CaptainShell: what greycat said. so maybe with a macro or something but, that'd be pointless anyway. |
| 18:33.18 | jhutchins_wk | One could also look at other distros that have a mirror-select program that determines the fastest mirror. |
| 18:33.45 | jelly | ,i netselect-apt |
| 18:33.47 | judd | Package netselect-apt (net, optional) in buster/amd64: speed tester for choosing a fast Debian mirror. Version: 0.3.ds1-28; Size: 18.3k; Installed: 41k; Homepage: http://github.com/apenwarr/netselect |
| 18:33.48 | greycat | or you could just use deb.debian.org |
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| 18:34.02 | jelly | ,i netselect |
| 18:34.03 | judd | Package netselect (net, optional) in buster/amd64: speed tester for choosing a fast network server. Version: 0.3.ds1-28+b1; Size: 31.2k; Installed: 69k; Homepage: http://github.com/apenwarr/netselect |
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| 18:34.49 | CaptainShell | ratrace: greycat I'm over in ##programming if you would like to respond you can. using safe_free(void **) would allow it to NULL the pointer when it's done freeing. |
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| 18:35.32 | joepublic | "I am in the channel where this is on-topic, but am deliberately cross-posting that stuff here" ?? |
| 18:35.48 | ratrace | CaptainShell: and that's a macro :) |
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| 18:36.25 | jelly | joepublic: no, "we started this convo here and an annoyed op was annoyed, so let's try moving it to a better place" |
| 18:36.47 | joepublic | much better description |
| 18:36.50 | greycat | int dostuff(char *s) { char *tmp = s; ...; safe_free(s); c = *t; } |
| 18:36.55 | greycat | oops, *tmp |
| 18:37.18 | ratrace | boom, you just used after free :) |
| 18:37.43 | ratrace | (ignoring undeclared c :) ) |
| 18:37.57 | greycat | just assume it's somewhere in the ... part ;) |
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| 18:39.30 | jelly | now fast forward to reference counting, smart pointers, and ... well ##programming . (I don't even know what smart pointers are, but I like to sound smart) |
| 18:39.50 | greycat | pointers that graduated from high school |
| 18:40.00 | ratrace | and got fat :) |
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| 18:40.28 | ratrace | (if you didn't catch the reference..... they're also known as fat pointers becaues of metadata they contain) |
| 18:40.28 | jelly | some are collecting garbage. |
| 18:40.47 | ratrace | some ARE garbage |
| 18:40.53 | jelly | now now |
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| 18:41.27 | ratrace | (well they become garbage after the memory they point at is freed) |
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| 18:41.46 | CaptainShell | jelly: they don't seem to want to move to ##programming |
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| 18:44.55 | krumelmonster | I can't upgrade my kernel: "E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 141 gzip 1". boot has 236M and there's 41M left. Is my boot partition too small? |
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| 18:45.43 | CaptainShell | krumelmonster: you probably need to copy your existing initramfs to a different place to make room for the new one |
| 18:45.52 | greycat | It does sound really small. Can you delete an older kernel image that you're no longer using? |
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| 18:47.01 | CaptainShell | greycat: you want to do safe_free(&s) instead of free(s). Now s is set to a NULL pointer that will segfault if it is reused. |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | No, I'm done. I gave my counter-example. If you didn't understand it, I have nothing more to say on this subject. |
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| 18:49.22 | krumelmonster | greycat: There's only the currently running and the one I'm trying to install |
| 18:49.58 | ratrace | CaptainShell: but safe_free() has no idea about tmp, which copied the value of s. that's C, that's direct value copy, not a reference. |
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| 18:50.45 | greycat | (plus whoever called dostuff() also has a copy of the pointer) |
| 18:52.11 | ratrace | C is not unlike human-friendly ASM. there's on magic going on behind its basic semantics, like there's magic going on behind, say, python statements. |
| 18:52.25 | CaptainShell | ok you're right, I guess fat pointers that can record that the pointer has been freed is the answer. |
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| 18:53.17 | jelly | krumelmonster: 190MB sounds too much use for just one kernel; care to show "ls -la /boot" and "du -x /boot" ? |
| 18:53.35 | jelly | too much for just two kernels, too |
| 18:53.47 | greycat | it's in the right ballpark for two kernels, though |
| 18:54.17 | jelly | I have 30MB initrds and 5MB kernels |
| 18:54.30 | jelly | (peak values) |
| 18:54.35 | ratrace | dunno, my /boot is 116M, two kernels -6 and -8 |
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| 18:54.58 | greycat | oh... yeah, right, I have two here, not one |
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| 18:55.10 | jelly | however, all our VMs at work do have their /boot disk sized at 500MB up from previously 200MB |
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| 18:55.43 | jelly | other distros change ABIs every week |
| 18:55.56 | dob1 | ,v asciidoc-pdf |
| 18:55.57 | judd | No package named 'asciidoc-pdf' was found in amd64. |
| 18:56.03 | dob1 | ,v ruby-asciidoc-pdf |
| 18:56.04 | judd | No package named 'ruby-asciidoc-pdf' was found in amd64. |
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| 18:57.55 | jelly | /dev/md3 194177 125184 58757 69% /boot # with 3 kernels inside, two stretch, one stretch-backports |
| 18:58.34 | greycat | mine is 90M used with two buster kernels |
| 19:00.29 | krumelmonster | jelly: http://ix.io/2bIC I believe the nbi extra files may have something to do with the machine being a ltsp server but I don't see what purpose could be |
| 19:01.02 | krumelmonster | jelly: This is du -xs /boot/* |
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| 19:01.42 | jelly | krumelmonster: that's not what I asked for, but if you have tools that basically generate 3 different initrd images for each kernel, then yeah your /boot is too small |
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| 19:02.32 | Strife89 | Trying to fix a broken package, this is what apt reports https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BHQLdXkH/broken-debian-state |
| 19:03.28 | jelly | Strife89: apt reported more than that, but you [snip]d it? |
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| 19:03.34 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 19:03.34 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:03.49 | stellardens | If anyone happens to be using XFCE too, is it possible to not have greyed out icons on alt tabbing? (minimized windows are greyed out) |
| 19:03.55 | stellardens | Have it act more like windows |
| 19:03.59 | Strife89 | jelly: It was a blob about "the following packages were automatically installed, but can be removed" |
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| 19:05.47 | Strife89 | Full paste: https://termbin.com/apol |
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| 19:06.25 | Strife89 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/09n16wPA/ |
| 19:06.26 | ratrace | sounds like a frankendebian went on there |
| 19:06.41 | krumelmonster | jelly: ls -la /boot http://ix.io/2bIJ du -x /boot http://ix.io/2bIM And about the '3 different initrd images' I believe I don't need them (ob /boot at least) |
| 19:07.04 | Strife89 | It used to be on testing, I've been trying to get it on buster |
| 19:07.39 | greycat | ... what |
| 19:08.38 | Strife89 | I think a while before buster's release, I edited sources.list to track buster instead of testing |
| 19:08.56 | Strife89 | annnnnd I've put off upgrading packages until today. |
| 19:08.56 | jelly | krumelmonster: note that the *nbi.img* are older than initrd.img*; it's possibly safe to move them away to boot _this_ system, but I don't know how LTSP works and whether eg. they're used for other systems and stored here? |
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| 19:09.05 | greycat | are you *certain* you never installing anything on it from 'testing' after buster's release last summer? |
| 19:09.19 | Strife89 | Not certain, unfortunately |
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| 19:09.50 | jhutchins_wk | Strife89: fsck might be in order. |
| 19:10.07 | jelly | Strife89: at the very least, show apt-cache policy for all the packages shipping /usr/share/doc/libpangocairo-1.0-0/changelog.gz |
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| 19:10.30 | jelly | Strife89: but best provide all the comprehensive info that dpkg-bot asked for |
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| 19:11.05 | jelly | Strife89: "apt-cache policy pkgname1 pkgname2 ..." |
| 19:11.35 | jelly | I'll give you that first E: is weird, but let's not jump ahead with fsck |
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| 19:13.55 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 19:13.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 19:13.57 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1) |
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| 19:14.19 | Strife89 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Rwqg66wK/ |
| 19:15.19 | stellardens | Anyone using xfce & accessing SMB shares? |
| 19:15.28 | stellardens | I have no luck with thunar so farÄ |
| 19:15.30 | stellardens | so far* |
| 19:15.34 | jelly | Strife89: if the amd64 build really the only package listed in "dpkg -S /usr/share/doc/libpangocairo-1.0-0/changelog.gz" ? |
| 19:15.40 | krumelmonster | jelly: I'll remove them. But maybe I'd be on the safe side to like rebuild the boot partition afterwards (and see if they come back)? Would there be anything else to do besides update-grub? |
| 19:15.54 | Strife89 | Output of "apt-cache policy" https://termbin.com/rm5g |
| 19:16.37 | greycat | do those https://termbin URLs actually work for anyone? they don't work for me... |
| 19:16.46 | greycat | curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 19:16.55 | Akuw | GREYCAT: HI |
| 19:16.57 | jelly | Strife89: show "apt-cache policy libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64 libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386" (and if there are more packages listed in dpkg -S, put them all there) |
| 19:17.03 | Akuw | greycat: hi |
| 19:17.06 | Akuw | sorry for caps |
| 19:17.08 | krumelmonster | Or maybe I could just delete all the contents of /boot and rebuild altogether? |
| 19:17.27 | ratrace | greycat: yeah, works fine here |
| 19:17.38 | Akuw | i have a binary file and i need to find all lines with this pattern "IF / IF" |
| 19:17.40 | jelly | krumelmonster: I didn't say remove, but "move away"; no idea whether something might need them |
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| 19:17.47 | greycat | I get SSL errors from curl, lynx, and w3m. |
| 19:18.01 | Akuw | i test with "grep -ali -- string file" |
| 19:18.03 | ratrace | greycat: ca-certificates installed? |
| 19:18.10 | Akuw | but i need to count all lines |
| 19:18.11 | greycat | ii ca-certificates 20190110 all Common CA certificates |
| 19:18.25 | Strife89 | jelly: https://termbin.com/dqr1 |
| 19:18.25 | jhutchins_wk | Does kerbos require working RDNS? |
| 19:18.30 | jelly | greycat: wget from stretch wfm |
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| 19:18.56 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I suspect kerberos probably does |
| 19:19.24 | greycat | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1130642/ |
| 19:19.26 | jelly | if you meant an OS for Kerbal people, I want to see it |
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| 19:20.02 | jelly | greycat: resolved to 5.39.93.71 here |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | O_o |
| 19:20.45 | greycat | Yup, 5.x from home. 146.x from work. |
| 19:20.55 | jelly | and get a NXDOMAIN for "dig termbin.com AAAA" |
| 19:21.01 | dbristow | How can I tell what minor revision I have? lsb_release -a used to say (for example) 10.3, but it no longer does. |
| 19:21.08 | jelly | greycat: does your work do MITM |
| 19:21.16 | ratrace | 5.39.93.71 here too |
| 19:21.44 | greycat | Yes, they told me I am supposed to forward DNS through their servers. |
| 19:21.59 | greycat | let's see what http://termbin.com/ gives me in chrome... |
| 19:22.10 | greycat | "Website blocked by Cisco Umbrella" |
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| 19:22.16 | Strife89 | Sorry about the inconvenience :( |
| 19:22.26 | jelly | whois "146.112.61.107" says "OpenDNS", not Cloudflare |
| 19:22.46 | jelly | !pal greycat |
| 19:22.46 | dpkg | points at greycat and laughs |
| 19:22.51 | ratrace | they broke the intertubes. |
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| 19:23.35 | Strife89 | I need a better terminal emulator on my laptop, it won't let me scroll up for plain copy-pasting |
| 19:23.54 | Strife89 | (My desktop is the machine I'm trying to troubleshoot, so I'm ssh'd into it) |
| 19:24.12 | Strife89 | So that's why I'm spitting it to termbin instead |
| 19:24.28 | jelly | Strife89: weird. I'd "dpkg --purge --force-depends *:i386 libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64" "rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libpangocairo-1.0-0*deb" and let a second "apt-get -f install" reinstall them |
| 19:24.44 | jelly | Strife89: wait |
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| 19:25.10 | jelly | Strife89: "dpkg --purge --force-depends libpangocairo-1.0-0:i386 libpangocairo-1.0-0:amd64" would be the first command |
| 19:25.28 | krumelmonster | All the files will be re-created by update-initramfs but I don't want or need them (they're obviously not needed for PXE/ltsp because all netboot clients are i386 anyways). |
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| 19:26.40 | jelly | krumelmonster: update-initramfs will not normally create those other two images, some additional software did that |
| 19:26.55 | jelly | it's possible the additional software has a hook in update-initramfs. |
| 19:27.13 | Strife89 | jelly: This is all I managed to copy-paste: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HZweFq1e/ |
| 19:27.17 | ratrace | FFF #334 new poison cloud. yummy. |
| 19:27.23 | ratrace | oops wrong chan, sorry. |
| 19:27.35 | ghydra | iâm trying to install QT5 on debian, can I just get gt5-default from apt-get? if I do that where is then the path for QT? |
| 19:27.41 | krumelmonster | Well ok, dpkg did when I again tried the kernel update |
| 19:29.54 | dbristow | Ahh, /etc/debian_version |
| 19:30.17 | Strife89 | I really don't want to reinstall - it will take ages to grab all the packages I want on my DSL service - but I'm starting to think that would be easier in the long run. |
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| 19:31.09 | Strife89 | I managed to f*** up my graphics driver somehow; I just looked at my desktop's monitor and see that Cinnamon is running in software mode at 640x480 |
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| 19:32.54 | davis | hmm. i am still trying ot setup a second interface as a wifi access point. |
| 19:33.00 | davis | here is a more complete pastebin |
| 19:33.02 | davis | http://paste.debian.net/1130643/ |
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| 19:43.40 | Strife89 | Oh boy. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/h4IRJfgq/ |
| 19:44.07 | Strife89 | Of course I managed to break the package that seemingly everything with a GUI depends on |
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| 19:46.23 | Strife89 | (Turns out that libpangocairo is for text rendering/layout) |
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| 19:55.28 | Strife89 | Fixed that part! The solution that worked for me was to remove the downloaded libpango* archives (in /var/cache/apt/archives) and rerun apt --fix-broken install. |
| 19:56.02 | Strife89 | *Almost* everything seems fixed now, except for libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 and :i386 |
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| 19:57.11 | Organizm | how do i trim a log file |
| 19:57.17 | Strife89 | And for those, I get a different message: https://termbin.com/am6d |
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| 19:57.56 | Strife89 | Er, https://termbin.com/beyl |
| 19:59.01 | Organizm | can i use truncate |
| 19:59.04 | Organizm | ? |
| 19:59.10 | Organizm | i want to remove the old shit |
| 19:59.20 | greycat | Organizm: what *exactly* do you want to do to this file? |
| 19:59.26 | Organizm | just save the last few lines |
| 19:59.46 | greycat | tail -n 100 yourfile > newfile |
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| 20:00.01 | Organizm | no the orig |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | but I suspect you aren't saying everyything you want |
| 20:00.13 | Organizm | dont watn to make new file |
| 20:00.17 | Organizm | dont suspect |
| 20:00.22 | Organizm | just help lol |
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| 20:00.56 | dbristow | Organizm: Do you want to blow away the current contents of the log file without having to stop/start the process that's doing the log? You can use >log_file_name, that will truncate the file to 0 length |
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| 20:01.00 | greycat | Do you want me to GUESS what you want, and put words in your mouth, and wait for you to say "yes, that's what I mean", then when I answer that strawman problem, you change your mind and say "no, that's not it"? |
| 20:01.21 | greycat | Apparently he's not content to nuke the entire file. |
| 20:01.42 | Organizm | just get rid of the stuff in the begining |
| 20:01.45 | Organizm | since its a log file |
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| 20:01.52 | Organizm | its 20 gigs |
| 20:01.53 | Organizm | lol |
| 20:01.59 | Organizm | some idiot did not rotate it |
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| 20:02.26 | jhutchins_wk | Organizm: There is a program called logrotate that can handle that automatically on a scheduled basis. |
| 20:02.34 | greycat | For the strawman problem that goes "I want to keep only the last 100 lines of the current log file, nuking the rest of the content, and then let the daemon resume writing to it", the first step is the one I already gave, and the second is to stop the daemon, and the third is to replace the old file with the new file, and the last step is to restart the daemon. |
| 20:02.35 | Organizm | omg i know that |
| 20:02.56 | greycat | Or, reverse the "stop" and "tail -n 100" steps. |
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| 20:03.43 | jhutchins_wk | Copy the portion you want to a temporary file, truncate it with >, copy the temp data back. |
| 20:03.44 | tdn | I have added a USB wifi adapter to my server. Now, how do I actually make it available as a iw device on the server (e.g. wlan0) ? Note, this is a machine that is connected to network via ethernet and it should stay like that. I just want the iw card to periodically scan for wifis. |
| 20:04.09 | greycat | "copy the temp data back" won't work in most cases; you have to signal the daemon to reopen the file, or restart the daemon entirely |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | if the daemon is running while you make the copy, and happens to write during your copy operation, there's no telling what happens |
| 20:04.39 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: The file's never closed, and couldn't you just cat the temp file back to > logfile? |
| 20:04.58 | greycat | stop the daemon, tail -n 100, mv, restart the daemon |
| 20:05.03 | Organizm | this file is not in use btw |
| 20:05.28 | greycat | OK, then tail -n 100 oldfile > newfile && mv newfile oldfile |
| 20:05.53 | jhutchins_wk | Or vi. |
| 20:05.59 | greycat | and when you realize later "oh crap, it was actually in use and opened and being written to", well, you were warned. repeatedly. |
| 20:07.31 | Organizm | but i dont want to make another file |
| 20:07.36 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:07.40 | greycat | NEXT! |
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| 20:07.49 | Organizm | no u suk |
| 20:07.53 | Organizm | :O |
| 20:08.20 | Organizm | dont mess w Organizm |
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| 20:10.45 | Strife89 | fml https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/15m00Rrb/ |
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| 20:18.34 | Strife89 | It turns out that apt doesn't complain about removing the 64-bit version |
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| 20:29.13 | somiaj | Strife89: intersting, unsure why apt won't just remove the broken packages. |
| 20:29.46 | somiaj | ,v libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 20:29.47 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-glx on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.3.2-1+deb8u2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 19.3.3-1; sid: 19.3.3-1; experimental: 20.0.0~rc3-1 |
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| 20:31.49 | somiaj | Strife89: it appears the problem is due to having an older version of libgl1-mesa-glx on your system (18.3.2 instead of 18.3.4) from when you were running testing before buster stabalized. You may want to go make sure you don't have any other issues with your system due to things not being fully upgraded to buster's vesion. |
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| 20:33.19 | Strife89 | somiaj: Well, after I removed the 64-bit libgl1-mesa-glx, I was able to do a dist-upgrade to get caught up. As best as I can tell, I'm fully on buster now. |
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| 20:34.58 | somiaj | Oh good, yea some packages are very strict depends (= exact version), so having a mix of packages from various stages of the testing cycle can cause strange issues with apt's logic |
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| 20:38.56 | jelly | aptitude can sometimes be coerced to return the package set to a sane state when apt or apt-get fails |
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| 20:43.38 | dbristow | jelly: So does using apt-get dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade, IIRC |
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| 20:48.36 | de-facto | what is the exact format for dpkg-reconfigure input? |
| 20:48.44 | de-facto | ...from scripts |
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| 20:50.11 | de-facto | i meand debconf-set-selections of course |
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| 20:52.10 | SnoopJeDi | My company is considering hosting our own apt repository, and we want to know if we can do so in a way that gives us granular control over access to packages, i.e. Customer X can see packages A,B, Customer Y can see B,C, and Developer Z can see everything. Information on hosting a repository seems hard to come by, and I can't find information about this specific feature, anybody have a pointer about where to |
| 20:52.12 | SnoopJeDi | look? |
| 20:52.48 | greycat | I... rather doubt you will find much support for keeping parts of a repository secret. |
| 20:53.03 | greycat | !dfsg |
| 20:53.03 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 20:53.20 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: You could use aptly to manage the repo and a regular web server to serve it and implement access control. |
| 20:53.23 | SnoopJeDi | I want to know if it's possible at all, I'm not looking for support in particular. It seems like maybe apt is more agnostic about how things are being served than I'd thought. |
| 20:53.26 | jhutchins_wk | SnoopJeDi: Perhaps split them out into separate repositories with ACL. |
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| 20:53.38 | SnoopJeDi | jhutchins_wk, pretty clumsy solution for any nontrivial number of customers |
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| 20:53.53 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, how does that work, the ACLs are just associated with each file? |
| 20:54.03 | jelly | SnoopJeDi: it is much easier to create separate repos for each customer |
| 20:54.11 | SnoopJeDi | jelly, I didn't say it was hard, I said it was clumsy |
| 20:54.31 | SnoopJeDi | Unless there's a good way to do this that doesn't involve it eating up part of someone's job. |
| 20:54.33 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: better to create separate repos. But same thing here, your web server controls who can access what. |
| 20:54.40 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: an apt repo ist just a bunch of files. |
| 20:55.14 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, gotcha, that's about all I needed to know then, I think. It might be that we just shove the appropriate repo into a bucket, if we go the separate-repositories route. |
| 20:55.33 | SnoopJeDi | Currently just gathering what options are out there, apt isn't the only solution we're considering |
| 20:55.52 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: consider not restricting access to the packages. |
| 20:55.54 | jelly | SnoopJeDi: and you probably do not want other customers to see repo indexes with packages their apt can't actually download |
| 20:56.16 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: I need to work with one such apt repo where I have to specify a "secret" http user agent. That creates lots of problems. |
| 20:56.23 | jelly | SnoopJeDi: sharing the same repo would mean sharing the same Packages file. |
| 20:56.33 | SnoopJeDi | jelly, fair |
| 20:56.35 | jelly | thus: separate repos. |
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| 20:57.09 | jelly | those very separate repos could use a single pool structure if you wanted to |
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| 20:58.02 | SnoopJeDi | That might be useful to us |
| 20:58.32 | SnoopJeDi | Because then we could have an internal-use repo with unrestricted access to the entire pool, but give every deliverable a suitable scope |
| 20:59.15 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, thanks for the personal perspective. I'm not crazy about doing this with an auth header, but it's not optional to make it unrestricted I'm afraid. |
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| 20:59.53 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: If you really need to do it, restrict this by ip address or with a secret part in the URL path |
| 20:59.55 | SnoopJeDi | We really do have the exact problem I described. So maybe separate repos isn't as clumsy as my first impression, if there's a reliable way to do this semi-automated |
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| 21:00.18 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: aptly can be automated. |
| 21:00.20 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, IP is a nonstarter too probably. Not sure about embedding a token in the URL, that seems like a really bad idea |
| 21:00.25 | SnoopJeDi | Yea, I'm going to go have a look at aptly, thanks. |
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| 21:01.06 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: auth header is another bad idea. Consider that your customers might use software like apt-cacher-ng, aptly, debmirror, etc. |
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| 21:01.42 | SnoopJeDi | It's not likely, but it's good to know, and aptly does look quite fully-featured. |
| 21:01.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | whelp i got it all working now peeps thanks |
| 21:02.00 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, a token in the URL would basically be leaking their license information, which wouldn't fit the requirement |
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| 21:02.24 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: how so?! |
| 21:02.38 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: and how would an auth header not leak it? |
| 21:03.11 | SnoopJeDi | hmm wait, am I right about that |
| 21:03.36 | SnoopJeDi | Is the destination URL encrypted in an SSL exchange? |
| 21:03.47 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: sure |
| 21:03.53 | Wulf | the hostname is not (yet) |
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| 21:03.56 | SnoopJeDi | Ah okay, so no danger of sniffing it off the wire then. |
| 21:04.05 | SnoopJeDi | The hostname is fine, it's the secret token itself. |
| 21:04.14 | SnoopJeDi | And any information about the package blah blah. |
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| 21:04.33 | Thedarkb | I just installed xfce4 from an LXDE installation and it broke something. |
| 21:04.36 | somiaj | dbristow: this is different aptitude's logic is not the same as apt, and aptitude can sometimes resolve things that apt cannot (the other way also happens, but not nearly as often). |
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| 21:04.56 | dbristow | somiaj: Ahh. |
| 21:04.58 | Thedarkb | When I log into XFCE, it outputs an error saying that it can't create a failsafe session. |
| 21:05.04 | Thedarkb | When I log into LXDE, it doesn't start openbox. |
| 21:05.08 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, it still does give me the heeby-jeebies to put it in the URL, but I guess this is not substantially different than ?token=SECRET |
| 21:05.09 | Thedarkb | Any ideas? |
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| 21:05.23 | Thedarkb | I've also been having issues with xdg |
| 21:06.24 | jhutchins_wk | Thedarkb: What DM are you using? |
| 21:06.32 | Thedarkb | lightdm |
| 21:06.37 | Thedarkb | I tried XDM as well, same problems. |
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| 21:09.00 | SnoopJeDi | oh wow, aptly even serves for you, very nice :) |
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| 21:09.30 | Thedarkb | My problem with xdg is that it opens everything in pcmanfm, regardless of mime type or what I've set it to. |
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| 21:10.38 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: it can do that. But I still suggest to use a real web server. |
| 21:10.42 | Thedarkb | Buster has not treated me as well as Stretch did. |
| 21:10.45 | jelly | Wulf: authentication is not a problem with apt. I've used commercial repos with login and password. |
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| 21:10.56 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, in prod, of course. |
| 21:10.59 | Wulf | jelly: can aptly send auth headers? |
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| 21:11.11 | jelly | I have no idea about aptly. |
| 21:11.29 | jelly | ,i aptly |
| 21:11.30 | judd | Package aptly (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Swiss army knife for Debian repository management - main package. Version: 1.3.0+ds1-2.2~deb10u1; Size: 4593.4k; Installed: 19022k; Homepage: http://www.aptly.info |
| 21:11.32 | SnoopJeDi | Do either of them support key-based authentication, perchance? |
| 21:11.38 | Wulf | jelly: I don't like letting my machines access anything on the internet. |
| 21:12.12 | Thedarkb | Debian Stretch was flawless but Buster has just hit me with issue after issue. |
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| 21:12.27 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: "them"? |
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| 21:13.08 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, apt or aptly |
| 21:13.22 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: unlikely / only with horrible workarounds. |
| 21:13.29 | SnoopJeDi | mm |
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| 21:14.28 | somiaj | wonder if having the proxy do the work of redirecting the user to the correct repo (then just have multiple repos behind the proxy) |
| 21:14.32 | SnoopJeDi | I'm reasonably sure we want this secure at the server level, because even the existence of a package associated with such-and-such customer could leak proprietary information. Key-based seems like it'd be very ergonomic for them. |
| 21:14.39 | SnoopJeDi | somiaj, yea that's my thought as well |
| 21:14.50 | SnoopJeDi | But at that point, I kick the question to the web team :) |
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| 21:15.14 | Thedarkb | Starting xfce via dbus-launch does work, but if I start it from the DM, it gives me a message saying that it couldn't create a failsafe session. |
| 21:15.28 | joepublic | it would help prevent repetitive mental stress injury? |
| 21:15.29 | Wulf | SnoopJeDi: token inside URL will work best for all customers. |
| 21:15.35 | SnoopJeDi | their deploy-fu is much stronger than mine, as I said, I'm just gathering information for the next meeting, and trying to do a good job so we don't land on AppImage, Docker, or DIY |
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| 21:15.55 | SnoopJeDi | Wulf, I'll be sure to note it as one of the possibilities, yup |
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| 21:29.30 | Thedarkb | It's weird that this package issue wasn't caught in Sid. |
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| 21:34.14 | tdn | How do I get this specific package available in debian 9 without addding too many other non free sources? https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-misc-nonfree |
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| 21:35.24 | greycat | are you *running* stretch? if so, just add " contrib non-free" to your sources, and then don't install any other non-free things. |
| 21:35.38 | tdn | greycat, I am running debian 9 |
| 21:35.43 | greycat | (that's stretch) |
| 21:35.45 | tdn | That is stretch, right? |
| 21:35.47 | tdn | Yeah |
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| 21:36.04 | tdn | greycat, ok, so all non-free packages are suffixed with that name? |
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| 21:36.25 | greycat | you should keep the contrib and non-free sections active so you can get updates to the firmware, whenever any are made available (which on an old release like stretch might not happen, but...) |
| 21:36.30 | joepublic | spoiler: that's a no. |
| 21:37.01 | tdn | greycat, I should add contrib non-free to security sources as well, right? |
| 21:37.05 | greycat | yes |
| 21:38.29 | tdn | greycat, cool. Worked. Thanks |
| 21:38.53 | Thedarkb | Anyone have any ideas why installing XFCE broke everything? |
| 21:40.19 | joepublic | your conclusions - seriously defective package that should have been caught in sid, XFCE broke everything - are not conducive to troubleshooting. Just a friendly fyi. |
| 21:41.33 | Thedarkb | I mean, I can start it via dbus-launch. |
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| 21:42.38 | Thedarkb | I tried chown -R'ing my home directory back to my user and group, that didn't work. |
| 21:42.46 | greycat | ... |
| 21:42.57 | Thedarkb | I can still use LXDE by starting Openbox through the run prompt. |
| 21:42.58 | greycat | your $HOME had incorrect ownership!? |
| 21:43.10 | Thedarkb | I was just covering my bases. |
| 21:43.46 | Thedarkb | I think it might be xconfd not running,. |
| 21:43.49 | greycat | so instead of saying what the actual problem is, you're going to try a bunch of random pointless "solutions" to other people's problems that you happened to stumble across |
| 21:44.42 | Thedarkb | I don't know what the actual problem is. |
| 21:44.44 | joepublic | I suppose that the severely broken xfce hunted down your home directory and changed its ownership. |
| 21:44.55 | de-facto | how would i find out why dpkg-reconfigure slapd uses a full cpu core for minutes without returning? |
| 21:45.06 | greycat | "After I installed xfce, I got this error ______" |
| 21:45.08 | Thedarkb | I did have reason to believe that there were permission problems in my home, I FTP'd a few config files into it from my backup. |
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| 21:45.21 | Thedarkb | "Failed to create failsafe session" |
| 21:45.22 | greycat | "After I installed xfce, I logged out and back in, and I got this error ______ |
| 21:45.25 | Thedarkb | I said that further back. |
| 21:47.18 | Thedarkb | I thought it might be xconfd because it does work from dbus-launch, I just need to figure out how to have that running when I log in from lightdm. |
| 21:47.45 | Thedarkb | Yup, it's definitely not running |
| 21:48.37 | Thedarkb | Ooh, there's an entry on the bug mailing list for this |
| 21:49.37 | Thedarkb | I'll see you people in a minute, I'm going to logout and try XFCE again. |
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| 21:56.41 | Thedarkb | Okay, I'm in XFCE now. |
| 21:56.49 | Thedarkb | Problem: Still no openbox. |
| 21:56.56 | Thedarkb | I can start it from a terminal though. |
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| 21:57.14 | Thedarkb | I've got terminal bound to ctrl+shift+t, so I can still open then. |
| 21:57.18 | Thedarkb | them* |
| 21:57.31 | Thedarkb | I'm also not getting a panel. |
| 21:58.14 | Thedarkb | I also can't open .desktops on my desktop. |
| 21:58.23 | Thedarkb | I just get The name org.xfce.FileManager was not provided by any .service files |
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| 21:59.57 | greycat | what "bug mailing list" entry did you find, and what was the fix for the first problem? |
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| 22:00.04 | empresses | nftables.conf is loaded as expected at boot but the "flush ruleset" doesn't seem to have any effect.. ideas? |
| 22:00.17 | Thedarkb | Hang on a sec while I get back into chrome... |
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| 22:00.34 | joepublic | ,v chrome |
| 22:00.35 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in amd64. |
| 22:00.36 | joepublic | just checking |
| 22:00.59 | greycat | most likely they're using chromium, or upstream's google-chrome(-stable) |
| 22:01.11 | Thedarkb | I'm using google's own repo. |
| 22:01.20 | Thedarkb | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903851 |
| 22:01.21 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/903851 in dbus (open, moreinfo): «dbus-daemon does not start, perhaps related to having a separate /var»; severity: important; opened: 2018-07-15; last modified: 2018-08-09. |
| 22:01.26 | Thedarkb | dbus daemon wasn't running. |
| 22:01.29 | joepublic | I use iridium, same general idea |
| 22:01.35 | Thedarkb | I set it to run, and I can log in now. |
| 22:01.49 | Thedarkb | I just need to sort out the openbox and xdg problems now. |
| 22:09.00 | Thedarkb | Okay, installing Thunar has fixed my icons and xfce4 has fixed my XDG issues of its own accord. |
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| 22:22.02 | Thedarkb | All now working exqusitely. |
| 22:22.03 | Thedarkb | Yay |
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| 22:23.00 | Thedarkb | LXDE is dying now anyway, it was about time I switched. |
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| 22:24.48 | Mr_Me | hello guys.... i have an interesting question to make... |
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| 22:25.05 | Mr_Me | i use dietpi on my rapsberry 4 |
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| 22:25.14 | Mr_Me | which using debian |
| 22:25.25 | Mr_Me | so there is a file /boot/cmdline.txt |
| 22:25.38 | Mr_Me | where there is a line telling which partition will read to boot |
| 22:26.07 | Mr_Me | in my brothers odroid (or even on my linux-mint which is not debian but just saying) i cannot find that kind of a file |
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| 22:26.18 | Mr_Me | is there any place that you can point out for me to look? |
| 22:26.42 | Mr_Me | PS: Linux-mint has grub.... so i guess it's on reason i can't see any kind of the file i'm looking for |
| 22:29.25 | Mr_Me | the reason i'm asking is this. My raspberry needs a sd-card in order to boot, otherwise dont even blink. So what i did is to copy everything from sd card to a USB flash-drive. Changed the cmdline.txt to look to my USB-Flash drive |
| 22:29.49 | Mr_Me | so when i boot, start from sd-card and goes to usbflash drive. So whatever do to it, stays to usbdrive |
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| 22:30.25 | Mr_Me | with that option, i can back up my system to my sd card and boot from there in case my usb drive gets currupted or something |
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| 23:32.05 | somiaj | Mr_Me: debhelper does this automatically to try to prevent flood joins, so the limit is often a reasonable number more than the current population. |
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| 23:32.39 | Mr_Me | wait! |
| 23:32.54 | Mr_Me | that's probably a miss-left on a remote |
| 23:33.17 | Mr_Me | lol! Yes... i was using it as an example |
| 23:33.22 | Mr_Me | sorry for that :P |
| 23:33.30 | somiaj | ahh, I see |
| 23:33.36 | Mr_Me | it was an on mode event :P |
| 23:33.44 | somiaj | thought you were curious why debhelper was doing that |
| 23:34.42 | Mr_Me | haha no... i know why bots do that :p |
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| 23:48.56 | ryouma | i have been trying to get sound to work for a long time. i get 8 clicks on speakers when booting. i do not understand lsmod's output, but it contains snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm_oss. should i do modprobe -r? does that change survive across reboots or not? thanks. |
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| 23:51.27 | ryouma | it is really frustrating that sound does not work. it worked until i changed computers. i have tried with and without pulse. |
| 23:54.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | so guys is still the way i got to fix my dang wifi? https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA |
| 23:54.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | even in buster 10? |
| 23:54.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | can't we get this in non-free? |
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