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| 01:50.20 | ryouma | nyov: did you really have an idea for getting soudn to work? :) i rebooted with the blacklisted oss modules and it is still not working |
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| 01:51.50 | nyov | ryouma: well, I can't predict anything. what soundcard do you use? lspci -nn id? or maybe we should start with what you already tried? |
| 01:52.11 | dgriffi | Has anyone heard from Daniel Schepler lately? |
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| 01:55.37 | nyov | ryouma: lspci -nn | grep Audio - does have a card, right? is it something weird, like an usb-soundcard? |
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| 02:06.08 | adikt | is there a way to increase the size of the menus of GTK applications (hexchat, libreoffice) within debian using kde? |
| 02:06.40 | adikt | the global settings misses those applications for some reason.. #kde told me to ask here |
| 02:07.24 | adikt | like everything else works except the menu... FILE EDIT VIEW |
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| 02:09.01 | dgriffi | could I get some insight on changing a license from Artistic (pre-2.0) to GPL2? |
| 02:09.30 | ryouma | nyov: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06) |
| 02:09.55 | ryouma | that is grepped output of lspci -nn |
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| 02:11.21 | LtL | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 02:11.22 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:11.35 | dgriffi | I head a project that started off as "No commercial profit", then changed to GPL before it was given to me. someone did a UI port of this and made his code Artistic. |
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| 02:11.47 | ryouma | nyov: i tried an external soundcard also and it did not work. however, speakers work. they click loudly 8 times when rebooting. alsamixer looks ok but i don't understand teh scales but they are not muted and are at or near max. i tried with and without pulseaudio. i tried various online instructions. |
| 02:11.50 | nyov | ryouma: ok, should be possible. do you see "lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel" returning anything? |
| 02:12.00 | dgriffi | do I absolutely need to get this author's approval to change the code from Artistic to GPL? |
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| 02:12.55 | nyov | dgriffi: you mean they forked it and changed your license? |
| 02:13.48 | nyov | if it was GPL, how did they make their port Artistic in the first place |
| 02:14.06 | dgriffi | nyov: no. new code was added. that new code was made Artistic. |
| 02:14.31 | nyov | I'd check if that is even valid, under the terms of the GPL |
| 02:14.33 | dgriffi | and it was "no commercial profit" at the time the changes were made |
| 02:14.40 | nyov | ok |
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| 02:15.10 | dgriffi | I'm pulling that user-interface code back into the now-GPL main codebase |
| 02:15.13 | ryouma | nyov: yes, it returns a bunch of lines as follows: http://sprunge.us/XEMYmU |
| 02:15.23 | LtL | ryouma: have you read up on alsa? https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 02:15.43 | ryouma | (stretch does not have snd-hda-intel package or ata-generic package if they are supposed to be packages) |
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| 02:17.18 | ryouma | LtL: it says "alsa-base packages are designed to "just" work". i do not know if i have tried alsactl init and rebooting but probably did. i can't reboot at night, so if i need to try that again it would have to be tomorrow. |
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| 02:19.22 | ryouma | LtL: i have done the checklist on that page |
| 02:19.29 | dgriffi | nyov: any ideas? |
| 02:19.44 | nyov | ryouma: looks like the soundcard drivers are there and loaded. can you find it in dmesg/journalctl, if you look for "hda"? |
| 02:21.11 | ryouma | dmesg|grep hda returns nothing. i don't understand journalctl. |
| 02:21.18 | ryouma | nyov: |
| 02:21.37 | nyov | dgriffi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_License AL1 is not compatible, AL2 seems GPL compatible "due to a relicensing clause" - check out the legal stuff |
| 02:22.45 | nyov | dgriffi: so I guess it depends on what version of the license the work is under |
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| 02:24.17 | nyov | ryouma: ok, I don't understand journalctl either. but if you have systemd, "journalctl -k | grep -i hda" should return something |
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| 02:25.34 | ryouma | yes it returns lots |
| 02:25.45 | nyov | uh ok |
| 02:26.09 | nyov | I guess that grep was a bit loose |
| 02:26.11 | ryouma | http://sprunge.us/Hr9t1j |
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| 02:27.27 | nyov | hm nope - that's empty. but you said alsamixer works? |
| 02:27.38 | dgriffi | nyov: just plain "Artistic" from before "Artistic 2.0" or the clarified licenses. |
| 02:28.21 | ryouma | oops http://sprunge.us/s4Hsm5 |
| 02:28.47 | nyov | dgriffi, well best case scenario you work with the author of that stuff and ask for a relicense - artistic 2 or maybe dual-license as gpl |
| 02:29.02 | nyov | if it's artistic in the first place, they shouldn't have much issue with GPL |
| 02:29.10 | ryouma | nyov: yes, i just reviewed it again, and it is mystifying to me, but it looks ok. i tried more things like loopback also |
| 02:29.51 | ryouma | the only things taht are mm (muted i presume) are things that look like inputs and headphones |
| 02:30.56 | dgriffi | nyov: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_License, Artistic 1.0 clarified and 2.0 are compatible with GPL, but not straight 1.0. Can you point me to something that states a straight 1.0 project can be shifted to GPL? |
| 02:31.25 | ryouma | i also tried disabling auto mute whatever that is |
| 02:31.39 | nyov | ryouma: find a wav file and try "aplay my.wav" - if alsa works, that should have some output |
| 02:32.13 | nyov | dgriffi: everything can be license-shifted by the copyright owner(s) |
| 02:32.31 | ryouma | nyov: been doing that and it is silent |
| 02:32.37 | ryouma | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 02:33.32 | dgriffi | nyov: right... which is why I'm trying to get in touch with Daniel Schepler |
| 02:35.13 | nyov | ryouma: if you run 'id' is your user in group 'audio'? |
| 02:35.27 | nyov | (and group 'pulse'?) |
| 02:36.34 | ryouma | audio yes, pulse no. but i have no pulse becaue i tried purging it to get sound to work. should i install it (and newgrp or addgrp or grpadd or whatever)? |
| 02:37.04 | ryouma | (also, shouldn't aplay work without pulse?) |
| 02:37.31 | ryouma | (i guess purging pulse purges the pulse group also?) |
| 02:37.49 | nyov | aplay should work without pulse |
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| 02:46.50 | nyov | ryouma: does aplay -l have more than one card? |
| 02:47.27 | LtL | ryouma: give `modprobe snd_hda_intel and snd_hda_codec_realtek a try |
| 02:48.11 | nyov | ryouma: also, does "grep hda /etc/modprobe.d/*" have any snd-hda-intel module configurations? |
| 02:48.20 | LtL | ryouma: or see is lsmod shows them. i have intel, same judd results as you |
| 02:49.06 | nyov | LtL: we already have lsmod output: http://sprunge.us/XEMYmU |
| 02:49.09 | LtL | i have a different pci id though. |
| 02:49.28 | nyov | dgriffi: I don't know that name |
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| 02:50.11 | LtL | ryouma: get rid of snd_pcm_oss oss doesn't play nice w/alsa |
| 02:50.49 | nyov | oh what? I didn't even see that in there |
| 02:51.32 | LtL | ryouma: i assume you checked dmesg for missing firmware? |
| 02:51.50 | ryouma | the page i was linked to said to modprobe it i think? i think that was just today recently |
| 02:52.00 | ryouma | what do i do to get rid of it? |
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| 02:52.16 | LtL | rmmod or modprobe -r |
| 02:52.24 | nyov | you said you blacklisted the oss stuff already. but just rmmod it for now |
| 02:52.36 | ryouma | not sure what to do to check for missing firmware. dmesg|grep -i missing shows nothing. |
| 02:52.58 | LtL | dmesg |grep -i firmware |
| 02:53.16 | ryouma | ok did rmmod, still no sound let me check scrollback |
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| 02:53.34 | LtL | try alsactl init |
| 02:53.36 | ryouma | grep for firmware also sohws nothing |
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| 02:54.12 | ryouma | ok i will do scrollback from beginning for nyov first then ltl |
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| 02:55.13 | ryouma | 19:48 <nyov> ryouma: also, does "grep hda /etc/modprobe.d/*" have any snd-hda-intel module configurations? -- it says /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel:options snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch |
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| 02:55.50 | nyov | ryouma: ah!. remove the "model=" stuff. change it to "options snd-hda-intel model=auto" |
| 02:56.01 | nyov | and retry |
| 02:56.27 | ryouma | ok, will do right now, but note this: nyov: yes, it shows 3 intel devices (all called card 0) 2 are hdmi. it also shows the external card i tried to fix the problem. that is called card 1. (but i unplugged it long ago. why is it showing it?) |
| 02:57.25 | nyov | maybe it tries to play on the wrong card, then |
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| 02:59.43 | ryouma | ok, so change 3stack-6ch to auto? |
| 03:00.02 | LtL | I would install pulseaudio and pavucontrol, see what pavucontrol says for output, if you're using hdmi sound unplug/plugin too. |
| 03:00.51 | ryouma | (note: the 3stack-6ch stuff was suggested on this channel a while back. i did not have that file before.) |
| 03:01.07 | ryouma | i haven't gotten to LtL's earlier suggestions yet |
| 03:01.11 | LtL | i've never heard of that file |
| 03:01.30 | ryouma | i mean i did not have /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel |
| 03:01.47 | ryouma | before, but it was suggested to put that line in and create the file, on this irc channel |
| 03:02.01 | nyov | I don't think the 3stack matches your device. I'd try auto |
| 03:02.04 | ryouma | i have changed it to auto |
| 03:02.29 | ryouma | still no sound, will try the earlier ltl suggestions |
| 03:02.43 | nyov | but that would require reloading the module(s) |
| 03:02.47 | nyov | to test |
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| 03:04.00 | ryouma | still no sound |
| 03:04.04 | ryouma | not sure what you mean by reloading |
| 03:04.13 | ryouma | i did the modproble suggestion |
| 03:04.18 | ryouma | modprobe snd_hda_intel and snd_hda_codec_realtek |
| 03:04.26 | ryouma | (maybe they were already there, dunno |
| 03:05.19 | CaptainShell | How do you stop a laptop from going to suspend when the panel is closed in console mode? |
| 03:05.33 | CaptainShell | Never had to deal with different power rules in X versus console |
| 03:05.38 | ryouma | except for reloading i think i am caught up with both nyov and ltl suggestions |
| 03:06.07 | LtL | ryouma: sorry about interrupting |
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| 03:07.31 | LtL | you to nyov, sorry. last tip.. systemctl status alsa-state.service |
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| 03:07.52 | ryouma | i appreciate the suggestions. i am thoroughly confused but i would have been confused anyway and i am cuaght up on the scrollback :) |
| 03:08.24 | ryouma | (assuming nyov approves of the suggestions so that they do not conflict) |
| 03:09.08 | ryouma | LtL: it says http://sprunge.us/NyzSYc |
| 03:09.27 | ryouma | ConditionPathExists=/etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf was not met |
| 03:09.57 | ryouma | also Active: inactive (dead) |
| 03:11.52 | LtL | ryouma: systemctl start alsa-state.service # and check that file and those multiple instances of intel cards, wherever those were. |
| 03:12.19 | LtL | /me has to go, good luck |
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| 03:12.58 | ryouma | which file? |
| 03:13.14 | ryouma | it returned nothing, soudn not work |
| 03:13.36 | ryouma | oh /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf will do |
| 03:14.12 | ryouma | um, duh, not there dunno which file you mean |
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| 03:16.15 | LtL | //etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf |
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| 03:17.08 | LtL | i wouldn't change it, but look for clues for now, did the service restart by chance ryouma ? |
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| 03:19.08 | nyov | ryouma: could you pastebin 'aplay -l' and 'aplay -L' and 'amixer' output? |
| 03:19.28 | ryouma | start condition failed http://sprunge.us/wxko4m |
| 03:19.48 | ryouma | nyov: do they have to be as root? |
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| 03:19.52 | ryouma | or as user? |
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| 03:20.56 | ryouma | as user: http://sprunge.us/ZmPAkg |
| 03:21.53 | nyov | uh, root I guess |
| 03:22.04 | nyov | or maybe not. |
| 03:22.33 | nyov | actually not. user should be fine |
| 03:23.12 | ryouma | :) |
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| 03:23.31 | ryouma | rsi is getting to me |
| 03:25.01 | nyov | well. this all looks good, too. your speakers are plugged in? :D |
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| 03:27.00 | nyov | aplay -D plughw:DEV=0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav - should play on device 0, you HDA card. but it should be default anyway |
| 03:27.33 | nyov | so I have no more ideas, except reloading those snd modules |
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| 03:28.13 | ryouma | nyov: i get loud speaker clicks when rebooting |
| 03:28.22 | nyov | is that new? |
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| 03:28.47 | ryouma | what do you mean by reloading? |
| 03:29.12 | ryouma | i don't receall if it is new as i tried so many things, but i only noticed it recently (past few weeks) |
| 03:29.18 | ryouma | i don't reboot often |
| 03:29.31 | nyov | modprobe -r snd_hda_intel and all the rest, then modprobe snd_hda_intel again. or rebooting |
| 03:29.33 | ryouma | that aplay command did not work |
| 03:30.22 | nyov | but I don't really know if that helps. It just might, because of the 3stack module option before |
| 03:30.49 | ryouma | dunno what you mean by all the rest but: modprobe -r snd_hda_intel -> modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use. |
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| 03:31.19 | ryouma | will try rebooting tomorrow |
| 03:32.06 | nyov | okay. but did you blacklist the oss modules now? they were still loaded there in your last lsmod output |
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| 03:32.48 | nyov | that might also help |
| 03:34.14 | ryouma | cat /etc/modprobe.d/*|g oss|i sprunge -> http://sprunge.us/Mqn5oP |
| 03:34.37 | ryouma | dunno what that means |
| 03:37.19 | nyov | ryouma: the module names are wrong. dashes instead of underscores: snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-seq-oss |
| 03:37.44 | nyov | AFAIK |
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| 03:39.19 | ryouma | ok i changed /etc/modprobe,d/my-oss-blacklist to - from _ and no sound |
| 03:39.31 | ryouma | (but did not reboot) |
| 03:39.45 | ryouma | so the softdep are not issues? |
| 03:41.49 | nyov | no, but now the blacklisting should take on your next reboot, so you don't have to manually rmmod the oss stuff again |
| 03:43.10 | ryouma | ok |
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| 03:44.14 | ryouma | ok, well i will reboot tomorrow. thank you very much. i hope it works. thank you nyov LtL |
| 03:44.16 | nyov | that should be one less potential issue on your next try. though I think you should be close |
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| 03:44.45 | nyov | oh wait |
| 03:44.45 | randompleb | When will radare2 be available again? |
| 03:44.54 | ryouma | nyov: what about the systemd errors? |
| 03:44.56 | nyov | ryouma: one last try: sudo alsa force-reload |
| 03:45.24 | nyov | ryouma: I don't have systemd or /etc/alsa/state-daemon.conf, so no idea |
| 03:45.40 | ryouma | also no command |
| 03:45.52 | ryouma | also command not found |
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| 03:46.06 | ryouma | also, i seem to have skipped the alsactl init. sohuld i do that now? |
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| 06:34.27 | white_magic | hey guys, does anyone know of a window manager that can handle shortcuts/action like this: alt+e => move windows to the top right corner of the screen. alt + 4 => move windows to the right half of the screen. Alt + 3 => center windows & resize to 75% |
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| 06:52.30 | somiaj | white_magic: those things can be programed with fvwm, unsure about other wms |
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| 06:52.59 | white_magic | hmm never heard of that wm |
| 06:53.18 | white_magic | will look into it, thanks |
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| 07:20.40 | raver | Hi, I've got a really weird issue I've never had before. |
| 07:20.40 | raver | When l use `apt search package` it takes about 5 minutes to finish and I've got no clue why. I did an strace see the output here: https://bashupload.com/O88Ya/apt.log |
| 07:20.40 | raver | The command with the same sources list finishes in seconds on a machine with slower hardware by the way. |
| 07:20.40 | raver | The problem system is an debian buster on arm64 (rockpro64) |
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| 07:21.09 | raver | Thanks in advance ðâï¸ |
| 07:21.16 | themill | somiaj: fvwm... I think I last used that in 1996 on Solaris... |
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| 07:42.38 | raver | Hah, it seems only `apt search package` has a problem. `apt-cache search package` runs fine. |
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| 07:43.29 | cheapie | kinda wishes the 16GB USB stick image thing was just about 1GB smaller... so close to being HD DVD-sized :P |
| 07:44.04 | cheapie | Oh well, I guess I can just make my own images in whatever size I want. |
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| 07:48.39 | themill | raver: which version of apt are do you have there? |
| 07:48.55 | raver | Wait |
| 07:49.24 | raver | root@virusrockpro:~# apt --version |
| 07:49.24 | raver | apt 1.8.2 (arm64) |
| 07:49.24 | raver | root@virusrockpro:~# |
| 07:49.42 | themill | also, what is the search term? |
| 07:49.59 | raver | apt search docker |
| 07:50.06 | raver | for example |
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| 07:51.29 | themill | #debian-apt on oftc might be interested in that although I think significant parts of 'search' have been rewritten for v 1.9.x |
| 07:52.23 | raver | Ah l should compare the version worth the other system |
| 07:53.48 | raver | Hmm it's the same version |
| 07:54.05 | raver | But I'll ask on the mentioned channel |
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| 07:57.08 | binaryhermit | ...HDDVD, that's something I haven't heard in about... 10 years |
| 07:58.00 | binaryhermit | ...is it even possible to get a blank HDDVD or a drive that reads HDDVDs these days? |
| 07:58.52 | raver | Maybe as a side feature with an blue ray writer |
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| 08:01.32 | terr__ | I just used ddrecover to copy a disk. No big deal. I did not expect bad sectors but it found one. I used defaults and I need to check how many re-reads. Is it one (1)? Anyways - that is not the question. The underlying HDD block size is 4k (4096). Why is linux using 512 sectors? Is there a whole bunch of magic I have not yet found documentation on? And the drive is LBA (last time I did this it was CHS) and my question - the MBR? it should be sector |
| 08:01.32 | terr__ | zero (0). It perhaps it is 12 bytes in LBA block zero (0)? how is this done on modern drives? Note: I asked this in #hardware also. |
| 08:02.35 | terr__ | 512 bytes. I have a sticky "5" key |
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| 08:19.31 | raver | themill: can't join debian-apt somehow |
| 08:19.47 | raver | https://xmpp.rimkus.it:46786/upload/rimkus.it/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/4GVUOQA2XN2dDrPVxRmnqDaXCw8Dz6QziRvfxWX3/20200216_091401425_97c0.jpg |
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| 08:28.44 | somiaj | raver: I think you need to be on irc.oftc.net for that |
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| 09:17.41 | terr__ | I just used ddrecover to copy a disk. No big deal. I did not expect bad sectors but it found one. I used defaults and I need to check how many re-reads. Is it one (1)? Anyways - that is not the question. The underlying HDD block size is 4k (4096). Why is linux using 512 sectors? Is there a whole bunch of magic I have not yet found documentation on? And the drive is LBA (last time I did this it was CHS) and my question - the MBR? it should be sector |
| 09:17.41 | terr__ | zero (0). Is it perhaps 512 bytes in LBA block zero (0)? how is this done on modern drives? Note: I asked this in #hardware also. |
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| 09:18.53 | ratrace | terr__: I'm totally failing to understand your question here |
| 09:20.09 | terr__ | Ther disk block size is 4096. It should be impossible for the hardware to read less than 4096 bytes. Why is Linux defaulting to 512? |
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| 10:01.50 | nyov | terr__: your filesystem defaults to 512 because that's a safe bet. depending on your FS, you should be able to set blocksize to 4K at creation time |
| 10:04.03 | nyov | and usually harddisks will also emulate a 512b 'logical sector size' |
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| 10:18.00 | GigaFlow | I can't configure wifi conenction |
| 10:18.05 | GigaFlow | I have usb wifi card |
| 10:18.27 | GigaFlow | official manual said that I have to use wpa_supplicant |
| 10:18.50 | GigaFlow | but it returns a lot of errors, like 'rfkill: Cannot get wiphy information' |
| 10:19.03 | GigaFlow | ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted |
| 10:19.04 | GigaFlow | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument |
| 10:19.10 | GigaFlow | So, what to do? |
| 10:19.24 | GigaFlow | Google give some arch shit and like "use wifi-menu" |
| 10:20.34 | GigaFlow | pretty dead here |
| 10:22.21 | at0m | GigaFlow: not your personal hotline either. |
| 10:22.32 | GigaFlow | yeah, I know |
| 10:22.50 | at0m | so you've posted your question, now sit back and chill =) |
| 10:23.07 | GigaFlow | sorry, it's 10pm |
| 10:23.29 | GigaFlow | And I already spent 3 hours on itr |
| 10:23.34 | GigaFlow | *it |
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| 10:35.48 | nyov | actually there is not too much useful info here, anyone would be hard-pressed to give useful help |
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| 10:40.05 | nyov | check the usual suspects, like missing firmware |
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| 10:50.04 | NetTerminalGene | does firefox's "tabs on title bar" feature work in xfce? |
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| 12:07.09 | temporaryrespite | Say, if I wanted to report this bug[1] in debianutils package but I'm not running Debian, how would I do it? [1] https://github.com/mgorny/installkernel-gentoo/issues/2 |
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| 12:09.38 | temporaryrespite | hmm maybe I can do it without reportbug program, as per "An Example Bug Report" from https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 12:15.30 | petn-randall | temporaryrespite: If you can reproduce the bug on Debian you can use the reportbug tool to file a bug report. |
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| 12:16.04 | temporaryrespite | petn-randall, I don't have Debian, but can you tell me if you have any symlinks in /boot such as /boot/kernel being a symlink |
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| 12:18.07 | petn-randall | temporaryrespite: No, those symlinks don't get set in Debian. |
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| 12:19.04 | temporaryrespite | ah, makes sense then, apparently other distro(s) are using debianutils package and they do have symlinks in /boot in which case if those are broken symlinks, they won't get updated by installkernel , they are simply ignored and left as is |
| 12:19.15 | petn-randall | temporaryrespite: Whatever bug you might be seeing might already have been fixed in Debian, which is why it's important to triage it on Debian before reporting it. |
| 12:19.53 | temporaryrespite | indeed, I see what you mean, but unless someone sets symlinks in /boot and they are broken symlinks, this bug although still existing in even latest debianutils, won't be seen |
| 12:20.21 | 7GHAAWJFQ | Where can I find early postgres startup errors? "service postgresql status" claims it is active, but the process it names does not exist. |
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| 12:21.06 | ratrace | 7GHAAWJFQ: by default, postgresql on debian logs to /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-<version>-main.log |
| 12:21.49 | ratrace | (and that "main" part is of the service template, but that's default) |
| 12:21.49 | 7GHAAWJFQ | ratrace, This has size 0. |
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| 12:22.50 | ratrace | 7GHAAWJFQ: chances are it's not starting at all then. how did you modify the default installation? |
| 12:24.00 | petn-randall | 7GHAAWJFQ: Can you show us the output of `systemctl status postgresql`, and `journalctl -u postgresql`? |
| 12:24.24 | 7GHAAWJFQ | ratrace, Unfortunately this was quite a while ago, I can't remember. Not that much, I think. |
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| 12:24.52 | ratrace | so, like, there's no problem here to solve then? |
| 12:25.23 | ratrace | or it's happening now, but you modified it long time ago? can you pastebin what petn-randall suggested? |
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| 12:27.14 | petn-randall | Also the output of `pg_lsclusters` would be relevant. |
| 12:28.02 | 7GHAAWJFQ | This looks as if it is working, but it is not. |
| 12:28.07 | 7GHAAWJFQ | ps --pid 1328 |
| 12:28.14 | 7GHAAWJFQ | comes back empty. |
| 12:28.58 | petn-randall | Ok, no idea what PID 1328 would be in your case. Could you provide the things I asked for, though? |
| 12:29.12 | ratrace | 7GHAAWJFQ: please pastebin those things. and something tells me you're starting postgresql.service, but did you try the template directly? postgresql@11-main.service (on buster) |
| 12:29.26 | 7GHAAWJFQ | oops, sorry the pastebin is https://pastebin.com/TCvDHnNT |
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| 12:30.14 | ratrace | yeah please do the same for the actual service unit, postgresql@11-main.service (assuming buster) |
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| 12:30.48 | petn-randall | Yeah, postgres packages in Debian use the service generator functions in systemd to generate a service for every cluster. What does `pg_lscluster` output for you? |
| 12:32.04 | ratrace | generators or templates? |
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| 12:32.35 | 7GHAAWJFQ | petn-randall, That seems to know it is down: 11 main 5432 down postgres /var/lib/postgresql/11/main /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-11-main.log |
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| 12:37.14 | 7GHAAWJFQ | Sorry, I need to leave. Thx so far. |
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| 13:29.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | where do i find network manager configs and vpn files at in debian buster? |
| 13:29.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | /usr/share/networkmanager? |
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| 13:35.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | got it |
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| 13:36.56 | NetTerminalGene | Eryn_1983_FL, where did you find? |
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| 13:41.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
| 13:41.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | now they can go into salt |
| 13:41.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | and i never have to deal with no vpn setup on a laptop |
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| 14:09.31 | Babaorheum | Hello, do you know if llvm/clang are co-installable on Sid ? I would like to avoid to use chroot/pbuilder to build Mesa-Git. |
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| 14:39.12 | Cynodont | Hello all, quick inquiry, I am using HexChat IRC client, I know in Debian Linux, I can check the logs by finding the IRC directory, does anyone know how to locate that directory? |
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| 14:47.41 | greatgatsby | ~/.config/hexchat/logs ? |
| 14:49.01 | tomreyn | bad choice, but that's where they go |
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| 14:53.11 | Cynodont | greatgatsby, thanks a lot |
| 14:53.46 | Cynodont | why it is bad choice tomreyn |
| 14:54.23 | tomreyn | Cynodont: because logs aren't configurations |
| 14:55.25 | Cynodont | so who put it there? |
| 14:55.34 | ratrace | bad programmers |
| 14:55.47 | Cynodont | where you think it should be? |
| 14:56.19 | Cynodont | you mean HexChat Programmer or Debian Programmer? |
| 14:56.43 | tomreyn | that's a good question indeed, i'm looking at https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 14:56.51 | ratrace | ~/.local or ~/.cache its own ~/ dir, but that's not ideal either |
| 14:56.52 | Cynodont | in m y opinion, Debian is best OS I have ever utilized |
| 14:56.57 | ratrace | *or its own |
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| 14:57.39 | tomreyn | i know that xorg would put logs to ~/.local/share/xorg/ which is less bad IMO |
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| 15:10.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys do i still need the deb-multimedia-keyring? |
| 15:10.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | for like a desktop? |
| 15:10.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | its not coming up on my repos, do i need a special one? |
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| 15:19.41 | yabobay | i just installed debian buster, and only now realised that NetworkManager isn't preinstalled, and I don't know how to set up the network any other way. what's the easiest way to get it on there if i download the files from a non-debian distro? |
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| 15:20.45 | dvs | yabobay, why are the files from the non-debian distro for? |
| 15:21.53 | yabobay | dvs: that's my other computer (the one i'm using right now), and the only one where i can currently use the internet |
| 15:22.30 | yabobay | is there an easier method than going on the debian website and maually downloading each dependency/ |
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| 15:24.59 | ratrace | yabobay: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 15:25.45 | ratrace | yabobay: the simplest thing you can do is set up dhcp, which is what the first code block example does, just use your actual network interface name |
| 15:26.11 | ratrace | that's set up in /etc/network/interfaces if it's not clear |
| 15:26.49 | ratrace | yabobay: question is, why do you not have NM installed. did you choose to install Desktop in the installer? |
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| 15:28.22 | dvs | ratrace, my guess is that the firmware files are not installed |
| 15:29.19 | ratrace | if they're needed at all; so far the problem presented was: No NM, how do I set up network |
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| 15:32.15 | dvs | !next |
| 15:32.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 15:33.04 | ratrace | hey, where's my money! get back here! |
| 15:33.12 | dvs | heh |
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| 15:38.34 | Ravan | h |
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| 15:39.31 | dvs | i |
| 15:39.33 | dvs | ? |
| 15:39.51 | Ravan | jj |
| 15:40.21 | Ravan | need help? |
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| 15:42.36 | mtn | why not ask a question? |
| 15:43.01 | dvs | can't find his crystal ball |
| 15:43.23 | joepublic | "ASK AGAIN LATER" |
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| 15:43.56 | joepublic | oh, wrong ball |
| 15:44.15 | dvs | why does mine have a snowman in it??? |
| 15:44.48 | teclo- | balls ? |
| 15:45.00 | teclo- | you're talking about balls ? |
| 15:45.11 | joepublic | heh pixar joke, therefore tangentially debian related |
| 15:45.16 | Ravan | what balls you guys are talking about? |
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| 15:46.20 | sponix | dvs: If you run Android -- try my Magic 8 Ball app --> http://sponix.tk/Downloads/Magic8Ball.apk |
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| 15:47.03 | mtn | very handy in help channels :P |
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| 15:48.12 | joepublic | this channel is very different on weekends |
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| 15:50.24 | dvs | !sing sunday |
| 15:50.25 | dpkg | well, sing sunday is #del# |
| 15:50.34 | dvs | oops |
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| 15:51.18 | joepublic | dpkg, thanks |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | no problem, joepublic |
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| 15:58.19 | nse | Hi, guys. Recently I've made a series of errors installing different packages from nothing. The only way now (since I am a newbie). Is to reinstall the whole system. It seems I need some type of Unebootin for it to work. But, I don't know. Could you guys please help. |
| 16:00.02 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 16:00.02 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 16:00.04 | joepublic | unetbootin tends to corrupt debian images; it's best to use something else. What os are you using to make the bootable media? |
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| 16:05.15 | nse | joepublic: Debian Stable, master. Thank you. |
| 16:05.38 | joepublic | I am thinking `cp imagename.iso /dev/sdx` |
| 16:06.34 | annadane | i'd be curious if you could ever get a 'clean' ie 100% reproducible, 100% functioning debian system if you did copy your original image using unetbootin/rufus and then realized it was a mistake and then used cp within your now-corrupt debian system to copy the image "properly", whether unetbootin/rufus might have corrupted cp |
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| 16:07.12 | joepublic | what's wrong with rufus? asking because I don't know (don't use windows) |
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| 16:07.59 | sponix | joepublic: what type of OS USB stick are we making ? |
| 16:08.03 | annadane | rufus actually does copy images properly if - i'm doing this from memory, don't quote me - you use the dd option, or something... but not the default option |
| 16:08.08 | annadane | unetbootin is just wrong entirely |
| 16:08.27 | joepublic | sponix, debian |
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| 16:09.06 | sponix | Tool from etcher.io website does well for writing all the Linux images I've encountered -- and covers Linux, Mac, and Windows |
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| 16:10.36 | tomreyn | and it's graphical and very simple to use - i tend to suggest etcher as well, even though it's huge and i dislike electron |
| 16:11.40 | tomreyn | + it offers to verify the write succeeded. |
| 16:11.42 | sponix | tomreyn: yeah, it is large for what it does - and new versions serve an ad banner to support them -- but whatever, it still works well, and is n00b friendly |
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| 16:12.20 | somiaj | sponix: in general don't use any tool to write debian images, they often try to make it bootable thus corrupting the debian image. |
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| 16:12.52 | tomreyn | hmm i wasnt aware of the ad, i guess it's open source so one could build it without, though. |
| 16:12.52 | somiaj | debian images are fully bootable and an actual image (not just an .iso), so they need to be written to the device using a rawwrite. On unix systems use cp, and windows use win32diskimager |
| 16:12.57 | sponix | somiaj: true, that is likely the majority -- but etcher doesn't :) |
| 16:13.12 | somiaj | it is random, I've seen people use etcher have problems |
| 16:13.14 | annadane | !rufus |
| 16:13.15 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 16:13.23 | annadane | hey there you go, my memory was right |
| 16:13.24 | somiaj | just like rufus/unetbootin work for some but not for others. |
| 16:13.39 | somiaj | In general best to always suggest a rawwrite tool. |
| 16:13.55 | joepublic | I suggested, for the record, cp |
| 16:13.56 | sponix | somiaj: odd, I've never used plain old "cp" .. if not using a stick writing tool, I've always done "dd" |
| 16:14.35 | sponix | I will do "cp" on my next one. it is probably faster than dd anyway |
| 16:14.37 | somiaj | sponix: cp has saner defaults than dd, so it is faster, has a better block size to read/write |
| 16:15.22 | joepublic | graphical tools are, however, admittedly more user friendly, especially that progress bar. |
| 16:15.28 | somiaj | dd works, but unless one adds options to better match the filesystem/disk it is wirting too, it can be slower (still works) and its syntax isn't as standard and known by many as cp |
| 16:15.43 | somiaj | so cp is just easir, but yea, many think dd is the diskimaging tool |
| 16:17.07 | nse | joepublic: The work is done. But, I'dont know how to boot it when the system is about to enter. Can you help me in this difficult question? |
| 16:17.39 | joepublic | nse, your bios/uefi at boot time probably has a key (sometimes it's F10 or F12) to "select boot device" or "boot menu" |
| 16:18.09 | joepublic | the key and/or procedure unfortunately varies from mfr. to mfr. and system to system./ |
| 16:18.24 | joepublic | s#/$## |
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| 16:19.19 | nse | Ok, joepublic. So now I'm going to my adventure. If I didn't come in some minutes. Please, call the Cops. Hasta la vista. |
| 16:19.33 | joepublic | will do & good luck |
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| 16:28.16 | nickgaw | Hi, Is there a way on testing to reconfigure login to do the last login first then the message of the day file like it use to do? |
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| 16:29.05 | nse | joepublic: Bad news. I've done what you told me to do. But it gave me an error. I don't remember which in specific. But I think the problem is in the file type of the Pen Drive. Do you know how to format it to ext3? |
| 16:29.34 | joepublic | you are not formatting the pen drive, you are copying the already-formatted image to the pen drive. |
| 16:29.42 | joepublic | cp imagename /dev/sdx |
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| 16:30.08 | joepublic | the formatted filesystem is part of the image that you copy as-is to the drive |
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| 16:39.09 | nickgaw | How using the console in a laptop can I tell if the system is running on battery or normal power and is there a way to tell how charged the battery is? |
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| 16:40.16 | joepublic | upower and acpi commands probably |
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| 16:41.30 | oerheks | dmidecode |
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| 16:43.25 | nickgaw | acpi told me that the battery is charging on most laptops if I get errors about core temprature above threshold and the laptop is plugd in could that halt charging? |
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| 16:44.29 | joepublic | you don't want to be charging a hot battery to prevent inconvenient explosions, but that's usually not a problem |
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| 16:53.12 | nickgaw | I agree I was not sure if the laptop stops charging if the system gets to hot do most stop charging as I am trying to find out why suddenly the system has been powering off for no reason I can find. |
| 16:54.14 | joepublic | naive question, but if it's on AC power shouldn't it still run whether charging or not? |
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| 17:00.48 | nickgaw | yes but I was trying to find out if the system is charging I am totally blind so can not tell if the light is on and did make sure all plugs were pushed in all of the way if I am using mate or gnome with orca the GUI screen reader is there an application that can tell me the battery status? |
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| 17:01.23 | nickgaw | With the console I use speakup and like the console better for accessibility for most things. |
| 17:01.54 | joepublic | oh, i forgot you use screen reader. i don't use mate or gnome so not sure what to suggest, maybe someone knows. |
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| 17:07.31 | nickgaw | Console is fine for now just wondering if it is time to buy a new laptop can I buy a system with Debian stable or testing preinstalled? |
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| 17:09.06 | joepublic | i don't know to be honest |
| 17:09.45 | sponix | nickgaw: System76 does them with some flavor of Linux. Think you might get to choose now |
| 17:10.23 | nickgaw | ok I will have a look at them as I see no point on buying a windows system and just wiping it to put linux on it. |
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| 17:11.56 | Mr_Me | nickgaw i'm not sure what your issue or concern but from the last message i read, i think you can tell them not to install any OS on your laptop before buying |
| 17:12.09 | Mr_Me | at least here in greece we can ask them that |
| 17:12.23 | Mr_Me | well... i don't know for laptops 100% but for towers absolutly |
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| 17:12.53 | Mr_Me | since the are usually building a tower from the beggining, the just put a fresh hdd/sdd on it and you are good to go |
| 17:12.55 | netcrash | Hello, i've installed the debian i386 xfce in a old laptop , I tried to install firmware-realtekxxx . deb and it says the package is not a debian package, what can I be doing wrong? |
| 17:13.03 | Mr_Me | also the cost drops 200 ⬠(that's crazy) |
| 17:13.08 | sponix | Advantage of System76 - You know everything in them is Linux compatible easily. Disadvantage - there is a bit of a price premium |
| 17:13.24 | nickgaw | That is a good point as I would want to make sure accessibility software was setup properly so that is one company who sells empty laptops with no operating systems on them as personally I think they all should come that way. |
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| 17:14.16 | Mr_Me | i'm not familiar with system76 |
| 17:14.24 | Mr_Me | i'm watching a linus video for that :p |
| 17:14.28 | nickgaw | Would they support dual booting between linux and windows should I wish to do that? |
| 17:15.18 | AndroUser | xfce blender3D python must continue to help great users and humankind |
| 17:16.02 | somiaj | nickgaw: where did you get the .deb, also it is firmware-realtek |
| 17:16.38 | somiaj | nickgaw: you could also type out the exact command you are typing (though it would also be nice if you could copy/paste the error message too) |
| 17:16.40 | nickgaw | I am glad python version 2 is dead now as it should have been finished with a long time ago and have no clue why they continued development for so long after python 3 was released why was this? |
| 17:17.31 | nickgaw | what .deb are you talking about? |
| 17:17.33 | somiaj | nickgaw: python2 was a core tool that lots and lots of scripts dependend on, it took years to ensure that python2 had proper security support while giving everything that dependended on it time to update. |
| 17:17.43 | somiaj | nickgaw: bad tab completion |
| 17:17.55 | somiaj | netcrash: what command did you type, where did you get this .deb? |
| 17:18.42 | somiaj | nickgaw: the biggest issue was python3 was not backwards compadable with python2, almost every python2 script needed to be updated. |
| 17:18.50 | netcrash | somiaj from a non free cd iso ... i typed dpkg -i xxx.deb |
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| 17:20.19 | somiaj | netcrash: I'm unsure where on the non free iso the .deb would actually be, are you sure it is a .deb and not a .udeb? |
| 17:20.48 | somiaj | you can get the .deb here https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-realtek |
| 17:21.06 | somiaj | but for some reason I think it is .udeb's on the non-free iso (so the installer can load them and use them during the install) |
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| 17:21.55 | Mr_Me | meh i didn't get thrilled about it nickgaw :P |
| 17:22.09 | netcrash | i download the source ? |
| 17:22.20 | Mr_Me | i'm talking about system76 |
| 17:22.31 | Mr_Me | good specs and stuff... over priced though |
| 17:22.36 | somiaj | netcrash: no, you can get the actual binary .deb from there |
| 17:22.39 | Mr_Me | you can build your own system cheaper |
| 17:25.17 | trysten | Hello lovelies in #debian |
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| 17:26.13 | trysten | I'm trying to install with d-i and need a lil help. i did `cp netinst.iso /dev/sdg` first, then used fdisk to create a partition in the rest of the space |
| 17:26.49 | trysten | i formatted the partition with fat and copied many firmware.debs to it. but d-i doesn't seem to react |
| 17:26.50 | Mr_Me | i'm not sure what you are trying to do trysten |
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| 17:27.08 | Mr_Me | but if you want to flash (debian for example) you should use dd :P |
| 17:27.09 | trysten | sorry, i pressed enter too early. it's a bad habit |
| 17:27.10 | Mr_Me | not cp :P |
| 17:27.30 | trysten | ah well, cp was in the manual and did seem to work. do you think there would be a difference? |
| 17:27.46 | Mr_Me | really> |
| 17:27.56 | Mr_Me | oh hell... i don't know :P |
| 17:28.02 | ratrace | you can use cp just fine |
| 17:28.16 | Mr_Me | to intall debian, i use dd to flash it on USB and then debian installation does its thing |
| 17:28.31 | Mr_Me | good to know though |
| 17:28.32 | ratrace | and the only difference from dd is in default block sized used in transfer |
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| 17:29.39 | trysten | i always use `pv` because it's swell |
| 17:29.57 | trysten | but my swappiness was too high or something and it wasn't working hehe. i learned about sysctl from that |
| 17:30.26 | trysten | consider the usb media to be properly set up in that first stage. the installer starts and asks for firmware just fine |
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| 17:30.42 | trysten | it's the extra part, section 4.3.1 in the manual that i'm having trouble with |
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| 17:31.11 | trysten | i formatted the extra space and put the firmware files there but d-i isn't finding them automatically and i wanted to know where to start looking for why |
| 17:31.40 | trysten | (sorry for spamming enter) |
| 17:34.06 | kells664 | Myre enna parupady |
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| 17:35.40 | kells664 | Hola |
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| 17:40.20 | trysten | dpkg: debian-es |
| 17:40.20 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 17:43.33 | netcrash | somiaj it worked than you |
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| 17:51.42 | u0m3 | hi. I'm encountering a strange issue: htop/bmon behave strangely (seems like incorrect clearing/redrawing of text) when run in tmux |
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| 17:55.58 | u0m3 | anyone have the same issue? latest debian 10 |
| 17:57.02 | kells664 | Eda myranmare |
| 17:57.07 | DLange | does it work in screen? |
| 17:57.21 | kells664 | Nope |
| 17:57.33 | DLange | that was a question for u0m3 |
| 17:58.16 | kells664 | Hmm |
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| 17:58.24 | kells664 | 𥤠|
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| 18:00.28 | ratrace | u0m3: bad/wrong $TERM ? |
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| 18:01.48 | u0m3 | DLange: screen seems ok... come to think of it, even tmux with default config might work... I only noticed after setting the TERM to xterm-256color |
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| 18:02.47 | DLange | u0m3: may be the problem |
| 18:02.51 | thenori | Hey folks! When I boot Debian, I receive several warning messages to the effect of i2c_hid - ELAN 1010: failed to reset device |
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| 18:04.48 | thenori | https://photos.app.goo.gl/xSnr5DJXfCMAmrQF8 |
| 18:04.54 | u0m3 | It's strange, this is how I've always used tmux... could it have something to do with TERMCAPS? I noticed screen defines an envvar TERMPCAP and sets TERM to screen.xterm-256colors |
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| 18:08.51 | DLange | u0m3: yes, screen is much better in this than tmux |
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| 18:10.38 | kells664 | Is there a kali linux channelð |
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| 18:12.57 | DLange | kells664: none that has more than 6 users, see /msg alis help for the bot in freenode that can help you find them |
| 18:14.12 | kells664 | ð |
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| 18:19.01 | trysten | d-i was working fine for me. i just didn't have the right firmware package |
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| 18:33.08 | u0m3 | DLange: so, according to google, might be a ncurses issue https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933514 ... now all I have to do is wait for the package to trickle down... |
| 18:33.09 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/933514 in ncurses-base (closed): «tmux: Screen garbling in ncurses apps»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-07-31; last modified: 2019-09-11. |
| 18:33.43 | DLange | or use screen like everybody else :) |
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| 18:48.12 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | fwupd seems not to be usable on Debian Stable. The update server sends manifests for v1.5.3 and Debian's version is v1.4.5 |
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| 18:49.47 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Huh. |
| 18:49.54 | petn-randall | Aurora_iz_kosmos: The update server sends different manifests depending on the package version? That's odd. |
| 18:49.59 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Nvm. Seems to have been a transient issue |
| 18:50.09 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Which is still weird but oh well |
| 18:51.29 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Thanks all the same |
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| 19:24.24 | Sherpa | I have a network printer setup on another debian machine, must that machine be turned on to see the networked printer on this laptop or ? |
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| 19:42.41 | n_1-c_k | Sherpa, if it's a "network printer" with its own ip address on your LAN, that should be a 'no'. |
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| 19:46.45 | joepublic | a "shared printer" and a "network printer" are different things. The answer for the first would be yes, and for the second, no. |
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| 19:54.25 | toli_ | hey guys, i have an issue where my laptop does not go in suspend mode, even if i push the suspend button. Any hints? |
| 19:55.06 | toli_ | debian 10 |
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| 19:57.45 | mason | toli_: If systemd, what happens when you say 'systemctl suspend'? |
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| 19:58.20 | toli_ | mason, only gets to login screen and nothing else |
| 19:58.20 | mason | toli_: If sysvinit, it'd be pm-suspend |
| 19:59.01 | mason | toli_: So, if you're logged in and you're in a shell, and you say 'systemctl suspend', it pops you out to the graphical login screen? |
| 19:59.15 | mason | toli_: Or is it asking you to authenticate? If so, run it again as root. |
| 19:59.30 | toli_ | mason, to login screen |
| 19:59.41 | mason | Weird. |
| 19:59.45 | toli_ | mason, not askin for root no! |
| 20:00.02 | mason | toli_: Try running it as root, for kicks. |
| 20:00.10 | mason | su or sudo or whatever |
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| 20:02.48 | toli_ | mason, with sudo or without it will bring me to the gui login screen, and the system do not go to suspend mode |
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| 20:05.13 | mason | toli_: That's odd. If it were my box I'd try again with pm-suspend. Also, FWIW, here's the wiki page talking about suspend functionality: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 20:05.40 | mason | Maybe something in the links will be useful. |
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| 20:08.05 | toli_ | thanks mason |
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| 20:21.52 | terr__ | Well _ found out the partition table lives inside the MBR. On UEFI I don't know yet. That will be the NEXT system. And this means I need to re-think some things. |
| 20:23.58 | Sherpa | joepublic: n_1-c_k so I installed the drivers on the turned off computer , no drivers on this laptop , so to become a 'network printer' I'm guessing this laptop needs the drivers as well ? |
| 20:24.01 | terr__ | I _thought_ I should just be able to copy a bootable partition from one drive to another and sort of plop it down like a sak of potatoes and ask Grub to boot it. Maybe not so fast there Superman. I do know the information of WHERE to find a kernel in a partition is stored somewhere. Its it in the partition table? |
| 20:24.46 | terr__ | I also know where the partition table is and I can read it - only problem. I do nto have my programmer's toolkit with me - like I need a hexdump of the MBR |
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| 20:25.51 | EdePopede | ,file bin/hexdump |
| 20:25.56 | judd | Search for bin/hexdump in buster/amd64: bsdmainutils: usr/bin/hexdump |
| 20:26.56 | terr__ | EdePopede, thanks |
| 20:27.30 | EdePopede | or mc's internal viewer, has a hex mode |
| 20:28.55 | terr__ | EdePopede, I got my IBM model "M" running. I just found out... CTRL keys are NOT working. |
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| 20:30.28 | EdePopede | uh, nice. for the keys you could use showkey(1) to see if they send some strange codes or none at all |
| 20:31.33 | terr__ | EdePopede, let me try it. |
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| 20:39.58 | terr__ | showkey works just great. |
| 20:40.14 | terr__ | keyboard is not so healthy |
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| 20:40.52 | terr__ | ctrl (neither of them) (does not) work. |
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| 20:42.46 | terr__ | up arrow and left arrow do not work but on the keypad they do. That is good enough. on the keypad... . 3 6 9 * <enter> =+ - do not work. I wonder why this would be. of all the issues - its the ctrl that is the show stopper |
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| 21:07.11 | nvz | there are graphical tools made for doing screencasts that are a lil nicer |
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| 21:07.37 | nvz | keymon and screenkey are two I know of |
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| 21:08.02 | nvz | keymon is probably more ideal for just testing input |
| 21:08.08 | nvz | ,i keymon |
| 21:08.09 | judd | No package named 'keymon' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 21:08.32 | nvz | ,i key-mon |
| 21:08.33 | judd | Package key-mon (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Utility to show live keyboard and mouse status. Version: 1.17-1; Size: 86.9k; Installed: 2763k; Homepage: https://code.google.com/p/key-mon; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/key-mon |
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| 21:08.58 | mason | ,i vokoscreen |
| 21:09.00 | judd | Package vokoscreen (video, optional) in buster/amd64: easy to use screencast creator. Version: 2.5.0-2; Size: 1168.0k; Installed: 1842k; Homepage: https://github.com/vkohaupt/vokoscreen; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/vokoscreen |
| 21:09.17 | mason | I've used this to good effect. Simple, good results. |
| 21:09.28 | nvz | yeah I use all 3.. though vokoscreen has been failing me lately |
| 21:09.56 | nvz | and annoyingly so.. doesnt tell me until I stop the video that ffmpeg crashed |
| 21:10.12 | nvz | having done the whole screencast for nothing :P |
| 21:10.18 | mason | ugh |
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| 21:37.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys how can i get the md5 fingerprint of a ssh host? |
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| 21:46.14 | rudi_s | Eryn_1983_FL: Depends on what you need. ssh-keyscan or just connect to see it with ssh -o FingerprintHash=md5 - if you are looking for md5 vs. sha256 |
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| 21:49.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 21:49.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got it |
| 21:49.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | now i just want to figure out a secure method to distribute my private keys |
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| 22:11.49 | rudi_s | Eryn_1983_FL: "private"? It's best if you don't distribute them at all and only keep then on one device. |
| 22:11.55 | Onslaught2020 | Hi Debian guru's. I keep running into a systemd error with openvpn service, running openvpn with a config file works, but starting it as a service gives an error. Please help! |
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| 22:15.29 | jaakkos | Onslaught2020: config file in /etc/openvpn/client with .conf suffix? |
| 22:16.12 | jaakkos | Onslaught2020: then for foo.conf, systemctl start openvpn-client@foo (and/or, enable instead of start, to make it run at boot) |
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| 22:19.29 | Onslaught2020 | i have a crontab that runs a script at 4am, iterating through multiple .OVPN files, but it kept giving errors. I renamed them to conf and now it works.. #feelsstupid |
| 22:19.39 | Onslaught2020 | @jaakkos thanks for your reply |
| 22:19.59 | somiaj | Onslaught2020: what does systemd actually say, maybe share the the output of systemctl status openvpn, or the result from journald |
| 22:20.13 | somiaj | oh you got it to work, good |
| 22:21.02 | jaakkos | Onslaught2020: out of curiosity, what does that cron script do? |
| 22:21.07 | Onslaught2020 | it said: Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: /etc/openvpn/whatev.conf |
| 22:21.25 | Onslaught2020 | obviously, the files had the wrong extension |
| 22:21.35 | Onslaught2020 | can't believe this took me over an hour |
| 22:21.43 | jaakkos | If it's supposed to keep tunnels connected, that's probably not necessary because OpenVPN implements re-connecting itself |
| 22:22.58 | jaakkos | Just enable the systemd unit and it will run at boot. But not sure if you're looking for something completely different. |
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| 22:24.53 | Onslaught2020 | I've had some keepalive issues with my current provider before, a several-hour-idle tunnel gets disconnected. So I refresh the connection every night |
| 22:25.01 | Onslaught2020 | and do a speedtest per connection |
| 22:25.05 | Onslaught2020 | the highest wins for the day |
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| 22:25.47 | jaakkos | I see. OpenVPN has keepalives enabled by default though. But there can be quirks. |
| 22:26.34 | Onslaught2020 | yeah i noticed the params in the conf |
| 22:26.47 | Onslaught2020 | but well, it works now |
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| 22:27.09 | Onslaught2020 | thanks man |
| 22:27.37 | jaakkos | Cheers |
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| 22:38.17 | jaakkos | I wonder if he was affected by https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=243750 ... it's kind of silly, if you had redirect-gateway, OpenVPN adds specific route to server on default gw interface ... |
| 22:38.54 | jaakkos | then routes all traffic via VPN with 0.0.0.0/1, 128.0.0.0/1 routes on tunnel interface. But if default gw interface goes down, the specific route gets deleted ... |
| 22:39.27 | jaakkos | and OpenVPN would never reconnect because all traffic is routed back to itself :I |
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| 23:03.03 | Aebian | can I use a variable inside a cd command in a function? I'm trying to archieve tat $USERNAME gets replaced by the username which doesn't work when passed directly onto cd. I only get cd'd until /users/ The code I tried is: cd /datastore/users/$username |
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| 23:03.54 | Aebian | oh |
| 23:04.05 | Aebian | variable had to be in capital |
| 23:04.10 | Aebian | my bad |
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| 23:08.10 | jim | Aebian, well the thing is, variable names are case sensitive... so you can have username USERNAME uSeRnaME, as long as you spell it the same way everywhere |
| 23:08.25 | Mandorallen | Hi. Has anyone been able to install wine 5 in buster? |
| 23:08.29 | Mandorallen | Getting this error winehq-stable : Depends: wine-stable (= 5.0.0~buster) |
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| 23:10.34 | jim | Mandorallen, which release of debian do you have? |
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| 23:11.51 | Mandorallen | Debian 10 buster |
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| 23:12.12 | jim | hmm |
| 23:12.29 | jim | do you have other wine stuff installed? |
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| 23:13.50 | jim | Mandorallen, do you have nc (package netcat) installed? |
| 23:14.06 | jim | (try: which nc) |
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| 23:16.50 | Mandorallen | jim, basically this is the commands ive run https://paste.debian.net/1130881/ |
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| 23:19.16 | jim | Mandorallen, ok. nc/netcat installed? |
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| 23:20.29 | Mandorallen | can run both nc and netcat command |
| 23:20.31 | Mandorallen | so i'd say yes |
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| 23:20.49 | Mandorallen | https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192 maybe this is what im missing? |
| 23:20.54 | jim | Mandorallen, ok good... |
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| 23:23.54 | jim | dunno much about wine specifically... and, could you run: (echo whats installed ; dpkg --get-selections | grep wine ; echo policy ; apt-cache policy winehq) | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 23:25.06 | Mandorallen | dd@DD:~$ sudo echo whats installed ; dpkg --get-selections | grep wine ; echo policy ; apt-cache policy winehq | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 23:25.06 | Mandorallen | whats installed |
| 23:25.06 | Mandorallen | policy |
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| 23:26.38 | jim | you missed the parens and a few other things. also I don't think you need sudo |
| 23:26.40 | daedeloth | what could cause /etc/ssl/certs to be populated with pem files, but not with the hashex abcdef.0 files? |
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| 23:27.55 | Mandorallen | seems to work now when i used this https://paste.debian.net/1130882/ |
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| 23:31.09 | jim | Mandorallen, be very careful when you're installing stuff from places other than official debian archives |
| 23:32.22 | adikt | + |
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| 23:41.58 | lavaflow | how can I list installed packages which *aren't* installed because they're dependencies of another installed package? |
| 23:45.27 | jim | you want installed packages which aren't installed?! they faced each other back to back, drew swords, and shot each other... |
| 23:45.59 | lavaflow | no, I want installed packages that are leaf nodes in the dependency graph |
| 23:46.18 | lavaflow | packages which are installed, but aren't considered dependencies of any other installed package |
| 23:46.36 | jim | maybe packages which weren't manually installed? |
| 23:47.22 | jim | rather, packages which -were- manually installed |
| 23:47.33 | lavaflow | regardless of the method of installation. so including packages that were once installed automatically as dependencies, but for which the package that depended on them is no longer installed (these would be candidates for autoremoval) |
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| 23:48.31 | jim | so what you want are those candidates? |
| 23:48.57 | lavaflow | no, I want all leafs in the dependency graph, including but not limited to those autoremoval candidates |
| 23:49.43 | jim | you might want to build a dependency graph for all the packages you have installed, then parse that graph |
| 23:50.29 | lavaflow | do any of apt/aptitude/dpkg have such a feature already? |
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| 23:51.06 | jim | yeah, apt builds a dep graph each time it installs a package |
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| 23:51.34 | jim | I dunno if you can normally get access to it |
| 23:51.51 | jim | however, maybe that's in the apt libs |
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| 23:54.47 | lavaflow | hmm, I guess I could just use `apt-mark showmanual` and apt autoremove together |
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| 23:58.02 | lavaflow | apt-mark showmanual actually shows packages I wouldn't consider manually installed. I guess it includes those installed by metapackages like gnome? |
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| 23:59.05 | Mandorallen | Got wine working but can't seem to install a 32bit application. Damn blizzard, WoW classic is 64bit but the launcher is 32bit... |
| 23:59.17 | Mandorallen | Getting "Failed to create a graphics context |
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| 23:59.26 | Mandorallen | Sounds like the nvidia drivers but i got the latest installed |
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| 23:59.56 | lavaflow | I certainly never manually installed quadrapassel at least.. |
