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| 00:22.56 | oft_gegong | bad news. on my liveUSB the whole system remounted somewhere else and my system became unusable. this is bad. |
| 00:23.24 | jim | hi, how would I get suspend-to-disk working on a laptop, and especially booting from that suspended state? |
| 00:23.53 | jim | if there's something I can read, bring it on :) |
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| 00:57.22 | terr__ | does anyone know how the boot in linux _actually_ takes place? like I'm using MBR right now. These systems do not support EFI. and my disks are <= 2 tb. I will have a look at the partition table but some of the information is printed anyways. my question. when its going to Stage 2 and actually loading an OS - how does stage 1 know where Stage 2 lives... Note - I have not actually dumped the MBR yet. I jsut want to know if anyone knows and if this is |
| 00:57.22 | terr__ | documented. Documentation is good because then I know what to look for. |
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| 01:45.33 | mason | terr__: The GRUB source is probably the best bet. |
| 01:46.57 | mason | terr__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB has a decent summary if you don't want to read the source. |
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| 01:58.46 | terr__ | mason, thanx |
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| 02:01.02 | terr__ | I set a partition label and I forget how. Its a BIG partition which is just going to be my backup pool. Thing is I see Stretch is using this to create /media/terr/'backup pool' I hate having to use quotes in the filename so I want to change this to 'backup-pool'. I think fdisk should do this but I do not see how. |
| 02:01.19 | mason | terr__: GPT or MBR? |
| 02:01.40 | mason | terr__: I don't remember if Debian ships a new enough fdisk, but gdisk can set labels, as can parted. |
| 02:01.51 | mason | newer fdisk can too |
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| 02:04.05 | terr__ | mason, I will read the docs. I probably will not look at the grub source (now) but I may end up editing the partition table with my own code. I know a little about grub but I also know I do NOT have the proper config files set up. What I'm doing is pretty easy. Lift (via ddrecover) a complete bootable partition and set the proper addresses so my backup copy (in of course 'backup pool') can be booted if necessary |
| 02:04.11 | terr__ | mason MBR |
| 02:04.32 | mason | terr__: MBR doesn't use labels the way GPT does |
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| 02:06.29 | terr__ | mason, this machine is old enough it can't use GPT. so far all my drives are < 2TB. So for my laptops (I have 3) MBR is okay. I also have a pair of 64 bit I5 towers and they will do GPT (UEFI) and I'll figure that out once I get this done. |
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| 02:07.13 | mason | terr__: GPT is just what's on the disk. You should be able to use it anywhere. |
| 02:07.43 | mason | terr__: The difference is that you use a gpt_bios partition on non-UEFI systems using GPT. |
| 02:07.48 | terr__ | mason, I am VERY pedantic. I want backups where I can use ddrecover to a fresh drive - copy the partition and set the boot sequence and that machins is RUNNING regardless of the OS |
| 02:08.37 | terr__ | mason, this machine does not have the right bios. And I don't need it for this machine anyways. THe towers are a totally different matter |
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| 02:10.11 | terr__ | mason, are you saying "use" as in when I'm using UEFI partitions on a machine with a newer BIOS - or- repurpose the existing GPT partition and turn it into a boot partition? |
| 02:10.26 | mason | There are GPT partitions, not UEFI partitions. |
| 02:10.58 | terr__ | mason, presently I'm working on windows 7 machines. THere are a few hidden parts and I can't find any documentation and have no idea even if they are used. |
| 02:11.46 | terr__ | mason, there should be a dummy MBR which spans the whole drive - then the GPT is mapped somehow inside. somehow = I don't knwo yet |
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| 02:12.21 | mason | I'm not nearly familiar enough with Windows to have pointers as to what the odd partitions might be. |
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| 02:18.40 | terr__ | back. I lost my iced tea. Last week I lost my Raspberry pi and it took me 3 hours to find it. If I had a wife I would have someone to blame. |
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| 02:20.06 | terr__ | mason, I'll find out. BUt maybe it doesn't matter. I can copy them sector by sector and as long as it works. These machines are getting FROZEN and they will think they are at the bottom of Lake Vostok in Antarctica |
| 02:20.57 | terr__ | Wives are good for a few things. SOmetimes they are pretty good company when we take them for dinner. |
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| 02:26.57 | terr__ | How is this possible? I have an external HDD connected. I see it in /media/terr and its 3 partitions formated out of 5. ls shows me the contents of partition 5. I tried to umount it - says its not mounted. I tried umount /dev/sde5 - it says it is not mounted. How can ls see it if its not mounted? |
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| 02:27.39 | terr__ | typo. umount /dev/sde |
| 02:28.07 | terr__ | not to reset that label. I used fdisk before and I do nto see the command to do it. |
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| 02:54.10 | Kinaree | when i boot buster, i see volume group not found for my Luks login , I can login and get to the lightdm screen but is this normal? |
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| 02:55.35 | WoC | Somehow, i have a feeling there is a easier way to set vi as editor other than purging my system from all other editors |
| 02:55.42 | terr__ | I'm running parted. How do I show a partition name and how do I know if this is a PC98 disklabel? How do I find out the label type? |
| 02:56.12 | terr__ | WoC, I just type vi... what's yer issue? |
| 02:56.34 | WoC | so purging it is, thanks anyway |
| 02:57.07 | WoC | as it would be depending on what the editor is set to in alternatives |
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| 02:59.25 | TravisMosley9 | what package is modprobe in? |
| 02:59.53 | TravisMosley9 | I need to compile modprobe and it is a debian package but then I need to say I'm using a Linux called Windows |
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| 03:04.12 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, you must be pretty advanced. |
| 03:04.32 | TravisMosley9 | I just don't know where Windows put the bin folder |
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| 03:04.54 | TravisMosley9 | do you know what microsoft did to Linux? |
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| 03:05.00 | terr__ | what does uname say |
| 03:05.20 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, probably castrated it? |
| 03:05.22 | TravisMosley9 | uname is not recognized as an operable program or vatch file |
| 03:05.28 | TravisMosley9 | I think so] |
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| 03:06.07 | TravisMosley9 | if I type bash it says install a Linux distribution |
| 03:06.08 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, why do you want to use the Microsoft version of linux? |
| 03:06.13 | TravisMosley9 | because I want to |
| 03:06.36 | TravisMosley9 | I wonder the specific insert ext4 module to use ext4 volumes |
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| 03:07.08 | terr__ | windows does run a compatibiolity user interface. I've used it - and I forget its name right now |
| 03:07.23 | TravisMosley9 | the most reason one is Windows Subsystem for Linux |
| 03:07.30 | TravisMosley9 | not sure what their win32 api really is |
| 03:07.38 | TravisMosley9 | isn't the GUI of Windows Xorg? |
| 03:07.41 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, how do you know you actually have an ext4 partition? |
| 03:07.53 | TravisMosley9 | terr__ because Debian is on the other partition |
| 03:08.10 | TravisMosley9 | and I put a /home and Debian's / on ext4 each in their own partition |
| 03:08.42 | TravisMosley9 | on Debian how do you make a slow running tar backup job instantly complete? |
| 03:09.10 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, that is a decent way - I'm changing this and putting /home in the boot partition... if I have an extra partition I can always mount it over top - and ues either one. |
| 03:09.34 | terr__ | You can kill it. |
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| 03:10.01 | TravisMosley9 | ok...but that isn't useful |
| 03:10.28 | TravisMosley9 | all backups are at like 10MB/s max |
| 03:10.36 | TravisMosley9 | and they won't go any faster |
| 03:10.51 | terr__ | windows "linux compatibility" has to be a virtual machine. I don't think they can do it any other way. but - they can run linux software if the have the proper libraries. |
| 03:11.19 | terr__ | how many are you running and what kind of interface? |
| 03:11.32 | TravisMosley9 | um just tar |
| 03:12.00 | TravisMosley9 | and it's an SDXC with a 1 speed indicated on it 256GB |
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| 03:12.24 | terr__ | speed is not measured in GB |
| 03:12.39 | terr__ | SDXC - elaborate please? |
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| 03:13.06 | TravisMosley9 | it's just a 100MB/s max microSD card |
| 03:13.46 | terr__ | running on what? |
| 03:14.04 | TravisMosley9 | Windows for now |
| 03:14.20 | TravisMosley9 | when I used to run tar on Linux it wasn't any faster |
| 03:14.35 | TravisMosley9 | https://www.reddit.com/r/Palm/comments/e5jyx6/x86_palm_os_port_now_supports_68k_apps_with/ |
| 03:14.40 | TravisMosley9 | https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-256GB-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B0758NHWS8 |
| 03:16.00 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, what hardware? |
| 03:16.30 | TravisMosley9 | um a Celeron at 1.10GHz base speed |
| 03:16.43 | TravisMosley9 | 2 cores and at turbo boost it runs 2.5GHz |
| 03:17.09 | TravisMosley9 | it have 112KB of L1 and 4MB of L2 |
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| 03:18.02 | TravisMosley9 | and it has 4GB of RAM |
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| 03:18.28 | TravisMosley9 | Intel Geminilake integrated graphics, wireless 802.11ac, bluetooth, and 1366x768 display |
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| 03:19.18 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, what kind of USB? |
| 03:19.25 | TravisMosley9 | it's an SD card |
| 03:19.29 | oiaohm | terr__: windows/Microsoft tried with WSL1 to wrap Linux syscalls to windows and that did not work out well. WSL2 is a modified Linux kernel running in a cut down version of hyper-v. |
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| 03:20.57 | terr__ | ya - I asked what USB does your computer have - I did not ask about the SD |
| 03:21.42 | TravisMosley9 | um 3.0 |
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| 03:45.02 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, okay - that is what I wanted to confirm. Your SD _should_ be running USB 3.0 and perhaps its not. It might be running 2.0... I wonder how you can find out. |
| 03:45.21 | TravisMosley9 | um what kernel module it uses |
| 03:45.33 | TravisMosley9 | to figure out whether it's a usb device or not |
| 03:46.11 | terr__ | oiaohm, that is consistant with what I figured they might try |
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| 03:47.17 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, its likely the same driver - the question is how the SD controller is interfaced... I do not know how SD ties into USB... maybe its the same interface? somehow I doubt it. |
| 03:49.09 | TravisMosley9 | lol it's a USB 2.0 card reader from Realtek |
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| 04:02.49 | jim | hi, how would I get suspend-to-disk working on a laptop, and especially booting from that suspended state? |
| 04:05.53 | terr__ | TravisMosley9, well then - 480 mb/s = about 48 MB/s so at 10 MB/s you are at 25% nand that is reasonable. |
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| 04:06.00 | nyov | suspend to disk requires a swap partition where the RAM can be dumped |
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| 04:06.42 | terr__ | hmm - use SSD for that partition... ??? |
| 04:06.43 | nyov | then add the swap UUID as RESUME= commandline argument to grub/bootloader |
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| 04:08.05 | nyov | jim: I think you want uswsusp, which sets that up for you (or can be configured to do this) |
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| 04:18.11 | tomreyn | isn't uswsusp functionality mostly replaced by systemd? |
| 04:18.21 | tomreyn | systemd-sleep specifically |
| 04:19.20 | nyov | nah. never heard of that |
| 04:19.23 | nyov | ;) |
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| 04:28.03 | jim | nyov, ok, thanks for that... how much swap space do I need? |
| 04:28.54 | jim | tomreyn, so, then is it already set up? |
| 04:29.08 | jim | (other than how much swap) |
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| 04:30.37 | jim | output of free on that laptop: https://termbin.com/ea0r |
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| 04:31.02 | tomreyn | jim: i have to admit i'm mostly into ubuntu so far, not yet sure which state debian is in in this regard. |
| 04:31.11 | nyov | yeah, for systemd stuff, ask tomreyn. Maybe it even magically makes you some swap ;) Otherwise, swapspace should be equal the size of your ram |
| 04:31.45 | jim | as you can see I got double swap right now |
| 04:32.03 | nyov | the more the merrier |
| 04:32.39 | jim | how do I boot a suspended machine? |
| 04:33.18 | nyov | linux kernel handles that. So long as it knows the resume partition on the boot commandline |
| 04:33.53 | nyov | though if you want to work with encrypted suspend images it might be more trickier |
| 04:34.26 | jim | ok, so I'd use the same boot choice as I did to boot the thing up in the first place? |
| 04:34.52 | nyov | pretty much |
| 04:35.18 | jim | the bottom line right now... do I need to do anything to get it to suspend to disk, and to get it to boot? |
| 04:35.21 | tomreyn | if you use systemctl hibernate (invoking which *may* also be possible from a GUI) then hopefully ram should get dumped to disk and restored from disk after resume from hibernation |
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| 04:35.51 | nyov | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate |
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| 04:36.37 | jim | ok... how would you tell it to "resume from hibernate"? |
| 04:36.57 | tomreyn | you press the power on button |
| 04:37.24 | nyov | as I said, you have to tell the kernel your resume partition. like: resume=UUID=4209c845-f495-4c43-8a03-5363dd433153 |
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| 04:37.54 | nyov | which should happen in the background, if you set it up correctly |
| 04:38.05 | jim | so, once you do the hibernate, does that power the machine off? |
| 04:38.41 | jim | nyov, that's what I'm trying to get to, how to set it up properly |
| 04:39.30 | nyov | there are several sleep modes in ACPI. hibernate is generally "off", but suspend is usually "ram is still powered" |
| 04:39.33 | tomreyn | yes, jim, system should power down after hibernation was initialized |
| 04:40.27 | tomreyn | was there previous chat about what doesn't seem to be working which i missed? |
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| 04:40.52 | jim | ok... from the power-off-hibernated state, I would hit power on, then what, it boots grub (if that's what's installed)? |
| 04:41.02 | nyov | yep |
| 04:41.40 | nyov | grub boots the kernel, and passes a commandline parameter "resume" with your swap location |
| 04:42.11 | jim | oh, with the -swap- location |
| 04:42.32 | jim | would that be implemented as a different grub menu item? |
| 04:42.43 | nyov | yeah, and if it finds a resume state there, it loads it back into ram |
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| 04:43.19 | nyov | jim, possibly. but usually you just pass it in your default boot option |
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| 04:43.49 | jim | ok... so then the only thing left is how I can get this resume kernel argument into... what? the grub config? |
| 04:44.00 | nyov | but you could have a boot entry without the resume, then it would boot normally and lose the data though |
| 04:44.57 | nyov | that's a possibility. uswsusp tools have a config which adds it to /etc/grub.d/<something> I believe |
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| 04:45.14 | nyov | not sure about systemd, again |
| 04:45.18 | tomreyn | there should be /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume or resume.conf |
| 04:45.58 | jim | and -all- of this is set up when I suspend? |
| 04:46.10 | tomreyn | which just contains RESUME=UUID where "UUID" is the actualy UUID of the swap file system |
| 04:46.43 | tomreyn | you used to discuss hiberation earlier, now you're talking about suspend, which one will it be? |
| 04:47.01 | jim | so are you saying part of this is built into the initrd? |
| 04:47.19 | nyov | ah, yes |
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| 04:47.56 | tomreyn | with hibernation, i think it's the initrd that restores that has the kernel restore the memory dump. but i'm not certain how it works exactly right now |
| 04:48.05 | AngelKde | hello everyone someone having problems with gdebi on debian 10? |
| 04:48.12 | jim | tomreyn, well, suspend-to-disk |
| 04:48.47 | jim | AngelKde, hi... are you having any problems with it? |
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| 04:49.06 | tomreyn | jim: i see. just "suspend" usually refers to supend-to-ram, whereas "hibernate" is usually used to refer tro suspend-to-disk. |
| 04:49.53 | tomreyn | (i don't like the term "hibernate" either ;-) ) |
| 04:50.03 | jim | oh ok... at the moment I'm just interested (and refer to) suspend to disk... I believe suspend to ram works |
| 04:50.41 | jim | brb |
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| 04:51.17 | AngelKde | jim, yes i have problems with gdebi, trying to install deb packages tells me that i don't have root permissions |
| 04:51.29 | tomreyn | jim: so suspend-to-disk "does not work"? if so, where does it not work, how can you tell, is RESUME= set and did you run update-initramfs and update-grub afterwards? |
| 04:53.48 | jim | I had problems with it months ago (or a couple 3 years)... how can I test it? |
| 04:54.13 | tomreyn | <tomreyn> if you use systemctl hibernate (invoking which *may* also be possible from a GUI) then hopefully ram should get dumped to disk and restored from disk after resume from hibernation |
| 04:54.51 | tomreyn | "systemctl hibernate" would be a command there. be sure to save your work in case it doesn't work. |
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| 04:55.13 | jim | ok, howbout if I have ardour and jack2d running when I suspend... let's try that |
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| 04:55.47 | tomreyn | AngelKde: are you runnign wayland by chance? |
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| 04:56.14 | tomreyn | try "pkexec gdebi" |
| 04:56.29 | jim | good advice... I'm not sitting at that machine this second, but I'll give it a try |
| 04:57.17 | AngelKde | tomreyn, no |
| 04:58.38 | jim | there -is- a resume in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/, and... |
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| 04:59.13 | jim | it says RESUME=/dev/mapper/hplapVG-swap |
| 04:59.16 | AngelKde | tomreyn, now it works tank you |
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| 05:00.31 | jim | so that would likely mean the resume is in the initrd... |
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| 05:04.06 | tomreyn | hmm so you have swap on luks?`i'm not sure how well this works, but you can try. |
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| 05:05.39 | jim | nonono, no luks anywhere within sight |
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| 05:15.05 | jim | I'm gonna give this a shot... |
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| 05:31.20 | jim | ok, it suspended, and it resumed... but either ardour, jack or the usb alsa device I had an alsa_in invocation running, didn't like being suspended... it looked like jack was started and it looked like ardour was running... but I'm not sure what state they were in, and I'd have to look into that whole thing to possibly get hib to work properly |
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| 05:45.40 | jim | anyway, thanks for the discussion |
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| 15:59.43 | e01 | is there way to set nice for a daemon from /etc/init.d/ |
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| 16:01.28 | ksk | e01: as sys-v-init and the likes rely on a scripting language and are thus turing complete, yes :> |
| 16:02.09 | ksk | in systemd unit files you could do the same by adding "Nice=0" in the [service] paragraph |
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| 16:02.51 | ksk | e01: search for "nice" in: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html |
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| 16:05.35 | entropon893 | IDK if anyone here is familiar with kali installs, but if there's non-free software (drivers&&firmware) req'd for install is there a quick, dirty, effective way to include them in the installation media? |
| 16:06.06 | jelly | !kali |
| 16:06.06 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 16:06.44 | jelly | I _think_ they use the same live-build software debian uses for their live builds |
| 16:06.56 | e01 | ksk: I don't see anything related to docker in the /etc/systemd/ or /usr/lib/systemd/, on which I would like to set priority |
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| 16:08.36 | ksk | e01: "systemctl edit docker" will place a copy to /etc/systemd/system and overwrite the values from package-unit-file |
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| 16:09.18 | ksk | on the other hand, you might want to check out dockers ressource managment and use that, and not just nice the whole docker thingy ( do you actually know that nicing "that part" of docker will lead to its containers using less CPU? :P ) |
| 16:09.24 | ratrace | actually it'll start an empty "drop-in" file, so you just need to add the Nice entry to it (in its appropriate [Group]) |
| 16:10.05 | jelly | the idea of drop-in files is great |
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| 16:11.12 | terr__ | I asked before. I didn't see any response so I'll ask again. I lifted the MBR (system will not support EFI) on two drives - 1) the original windows 7 drive (sda) and a backup external hard drive (sde). What I see in the two MBRs has me confused: |
| 16:11.22 | e01 | ksk: well I have more than 30 running containers, and some times they freeze the whole system when doing something in background, and because it's aws instance I don't want go and reboot machine after each freeze |
| 16:11.23 | terr__ | here is what I find. On a new HDD where I do NOT expect an MBR and I expect it to NOT be bootable... in fact there is an MBR. I need to read the partition tables out of the file. Can this be done? Reading form sector zero (0) is not an issue. I want to parse the file copy of sector zero... and later change it. |
| 16:11.50 | terr__ | I did use fdisk to make a partition as bootable and it is reasonable that Fdisk may have built an MBR to point the boot loader into the said bootable partition. I am trying to find out what is actually going on here. |
| 16:11.54 | ratrace | e01: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54392310/how-to-set-the-cpu-priority-niceness-of-a-docker-container |
| 16:11.56 | e01 | ksk: that's why I though with nice or priority I could decrease the priority and allow to machine to allow connections |
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| 16:12.10 | ksk | e01: still does not change the fact of what I was telling you though imho. IF you are sure it will do that, go ahead :) |
| 16:12.14 | ratrace | though that might not really help you, system hogging is probably coming from IO contention |
| 16:12.38 | ratrace | e01: ksk is probably right, nicing the "daemon" probably has nothing to do with individual namespaces |
| 16:13.04 | terr__ | ratrace, usually if the CPU is not being used (other than windows of course) then low CPU => high IO |
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| 16:14.02 | e01 | ksk: I am not sure, but may be it worth to try, I tried to set cpu limit, but not get anything from it, also I found the documentation of containers niceness a bit complex so I set values with the power of magic :D |
| 16:15.01 | terr__ | well it seems no one is taking on the MBR issue for now. I'll ask later. Meanwhile I'm looking for articles and I might find something |
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| 16:15.16 | diogenes_ | e01, i use cpulimit -l value -p pid. |
| 16:15.17 | ratrace | terr__: not sure I understand what you want to do exactly with that MBR |
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| 16:16.34 | ksk | terr__: eh? what are you trying to do? |
| 16:16.46 | entropon893 | ty for the information... |
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| 16:22.43 | e01 | well, i docker compose file i had cpus: 0.5 and cpu_shares: 512 but it doesn't help |
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| 16:23.48 | ratrace | e01: you can try even smaller shares (default is 1024 for every process/cgroup on the machine) ; but ideally, you would look into the process table and find out what those containers are doing. are they cpu bound? is there IO? |
| 16:24.22 | flakinson | Hi there, I'm stucked with a package i'm building... |
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| 16:24.57 | flakinson | I have: Depends: mypackage (=1.2) but 2.0 is to be installed |
| 16:25.15 | flakinson | in my repo I have both, but I want to install 1.2.! |
| 16:25.22 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:25.22 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:25.31 | jelly | flakinson: ^ show ALL the info |
| 16:25.49 | greycat | jelly, so optimistic |
| 16:25.58 | e01 | ratrace: i am pretty sure it's IO because it's happen in most times where mysql databases are imported or do some huge updates |
| 16:26.10 | e01 | i will try with 254 cpu shares |
| 16:26.12 | jelly | flakinson: and please avoid changing information, like hiding actual URLs or package names |
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| 16:27.37 | ratrace | e01: well if you have more than one mysql on that machine, things are gonna get ugly. databases are really huge consumers of IO and ideally you run a single server that then does the scheduling |
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| 16:29.07 | ratrace | like, single master mysql server can easily do scheduling for hundreds of concurrent clients, but two (or more) masters have no coordination between themselves and they both want the kernel to do its work ASAP. especially with small pages like DBs use, things quickly escalate. |
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| 16:38.42 | ctcx | I used groupdel to delete some groups. But I didn't know that the deleted groups were the secondary groups of some users. When id -Gn those users I noticed the deleted groups were no longer there. |
| 16:38.44 | repo | hi there! i'm having trouble setting up X on a fresh debian installation (bare minimum). |
| 16:38.55 | repo | here's my Xorg.0.log output: https://p.jokke.space/4d7qS/ |
| 16:39.13 | ctcx | Is this standard behavior on Linux? Or did I do something very wrong by not deleting users from groups first? |
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| 16:40.26 | greycat | ctcx: if fred is a member of (supplementary) group "bedrockers", and you delete group "bedrockers", what did you expect to happen? |
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| 16:43.15 | ctcx | greycat: could I do some kind of harm to the system by deleting existing supplementary groups? Or should I just not care about it? |
| 16:43.35 | greycat | It's not harmful. I'm just confused about what you think the problem is. |
| 16:43.48 | greycat | Did you expect an error message or something? |
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| 16:45.15 | ctcx | Yes, like what happens when deleting a group which still owns some files/directories. When ls -lah those files group column displays only the GID |
| 16:45.30 | ctcx | But, this also doesn't harm system, right? |
| 16:45.34 | greycat | Right. |
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| 16:46.15 | ctcx | I thought I was inquiring in potential security issues or the like... |
| 16:46.20 | greycat | In the case of supplementary groups, the implementation is simply that there is a line in the /etc/group file that says "bedrockers:1020:fred" or similar. When you delete that line, fred won't be in that group next time he logs in. There's nothing else to it. |
| 16:46.27 | ctcx | But hopefully it's just my mind... |
| 16:46.34 | greycat | err, "bedrockers:x:1020:fred" |
| 16:46.50 | ctcx | I thought I was inquiring in potential security issues or the like |
| 16:47.14 | greycat | No. You've deleted the group. Exiting processes that have that group in their set of privileges will continue to have it, but NEW logins will not acquire it. |
| 16:47.25 | greycat | Existing* |
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| 16:49.40 | ctcx | Thanks sir for all. |
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| 16:52.39 | Hack5190 | G'day. I've installed the latest Kali Linux (2020.1) on an Acer Chromebook. Everything works except audio (dummy output). Since Kali is based on Debian I found a thread (on the Debian forums) from a user with the same processor & audio hardware. Unfortunately there was no resolution posted. Hoping someone here can guide me through resolving this issue. Thanks. Here is the aforementioned thread -> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic |
| 16:52.40 | Hack5190 | .php?f=5&t=144617&p=712565&hilit=dummy+output#p712565 |
| 16:53.16 | greycat | !kali |
| 16:53.16 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 16:53.18 | Hack5190 | Seems my client broke the URL into 2 lines :( |
| 16:53.54 | greycat | you can look at https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Upgrade_issues but if that doesn't apply, we have no idea what the issue is. Ask Kali people. |
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| 16:55.25 | Haohmaru | they are h4x0rz |
| 16:56.21 | greycat | the Kali people will most likely tell you that Kali isn't *meant* to be used as a primary desktop operating system, and sound, what the hell good is sound when you're pen-testing... |
| 16:57.09 | Haohmaru | gotta play some dubstep to feel moar epic |
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| 16:57.23 | Haohmaru | while ur h4xing sh*t |
| 16:57.33 | ctcx | eh? |
| 16:57.35 | jelly | a hoodie is not optional |
| 16:57.53 | dob1 | at least the nick was related to the distribution |
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| 16:58.22 | ioricloud | hey people |
| 16:58.37 | ioricloud | any here use vivaldi browser |
| 16:58.50 | Haohmaru | vi-wat browser o_O |
| 16:58.59 | greycat | !anyone |
| 16:59.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:59.02 | jelly | !vivaldi |
| 16:59.10 | Haohmaru | <crickets.wav> |
| 16:59.17 | jelly | fork off old opera code iirc |
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| 16:59.27 | greycat | oh, ... that makes some sense |
| 16:59.29 | dob1 | well opera, vivaldi makes sense |
| 16:59.31 | Haohmaru | ah, opera.. vivaldi |
| 16:59.32 | Haohmaru | clever |
| 17:00.04 | ioricloud | vivaldi |
| 17:00.27 | greycat | It doesn't appear to be packaged, so you won't get the answer to your poll from popcon. |
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| 17:02.40 | ioricloud | so |
| 17:02.58 | ioricloud | today, I updated my browser |
| 17:03.18 | ioricloud | when I reboot my machine |
| 17:03.24 | ioricloud | icon is gone |
| 17:03.31 | Haohmaru | from where? |
| 17:03.39 | ioricloud | my debian |
| 17:03.41 | Haohmaru | how did you install it? |
| 17:03.51 | ioricloud | no, updated |
| 17:03.54 | Haohmaru | did you log in as a different user or something? |
| 17:03.57 | ioricloud | with apt |
| 17:04.01 | ioricloud | no |
| 17:04.04 | jelly | oh noes! You'll have to ask the Vivaldi people about it. Can you still start it from terminal, ioricloud? |
| 17:04.35 | Haohmaru | did you.. manually position the icon on the desktop or something? |
| 17:04.43 | Haohmaru | might be offscreen or some such dumbness |
| 17:05.09 | ioricloud | in terminal said "permition denied" |
| 17:05.36 | jelly | ioricloud: what does this say: ls -ld `which vivaldi` |
| 17:05.37 | ioricloud | when I call vivaldi-stable |
| 17:05.38 | Haohmaru | funky |
| 17:05.48 | jelly | ioricloud: what does this say then: ls -ld `which vivaldi-stable` |
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| 17:06.04 | ioricloud | vivaldi-stable not found |
| 17:06.16 | Haohmaru | ioricloud listen to the jelly ^ |
| 17:06.18 | jelly | that can't be |
| 17:07.11 | jelly | (that is, getting a "permission denied" trying to run and which not finding anything... seem contradictory |
| 17:07.32 | greycat | shells can cache old PATH locations, but yeah, I suspect we're not being told the full truth yet |
| 17:07.37 | jelly | ioricloud: what does this say: dpkg -l '*vivaldi*' |
| 17:07.55 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:07.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:08.40 | ioricloud | ii vivaldi-stable 2.11.1811.38-1 amd64 Experience the web in a whole new way with Vivaldi. |
| 17:08.41 | greycat | I'm also not sure what which(1) does with non-executable files |
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| 17:09.19 | jelly | ioricloud: and "dpkg -L vivaldi-stable" ? |
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| 17:11.27 | joepublic | a whole new way? what, does it sing the pages in harmony? |
| 17:11.46 | ioricloud | return any lines |
| 17:12.01 | greycat | apparently "the exquisite silence of permission denied errors" is a new way |
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| 17:12.11 | joepublic | point taken. |
| 17:12.13 | ioricloud | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.22 | greycat | ioricloud: we're looking for the LOCATION of the vivaldi-stable command, so that we can see what its permissions are |
| 17:12.24 | jelly | ioricloud: so you have an installed package with zero files inside? |
| 17:12.31 | greycat | ioricloud: ls -ld /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable |
| 17:12.32 | jelly | ioricloud: pastebin the whole output. |
| 17:12.38 | joepublic | I have several zero-file packages installed :) |
| 17:13.09 | ioricloud | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 fev 17 23:12 /usr/bin/vivaldi-stable -> /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi |
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| 17:13.24 | jelly | joepublic: even an equivs would have /usr/share/doc/foo/changelog.Debian |
| 17:13.26 | ioricloud | symbolic link |
| 17:13.50 | greycat | can you guess what we're going to ask next? |
| 17:13.57 | joepublic | your point is received as well. |
| 17:13.58 | repo | anyone? |
| 17:14.03 | jelly | bueller? |
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| 17:15.03 | greycat | ioricloud: ls -ld /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi |
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| 17:15.49 | ioricloud | permition denied |
| 17:15.50 | jelly | judd: pciid 1002:15d8 |
| 17:15.51 | judd | [1002:15d8] is 'Picasso' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:15d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 17:16.04 | jelly | ioricloud: ls -ld / /opt /opt/vivaldi |
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| 17:16.14 | ioricloud | @jelly I'll send a pastebin |
| 17:16.15 | greycat | jelly is very fast |
| 17:16.24 | jelly | predictive irc. |
| 17:16.57 | ioricloud | ls -ld /opt/vivaldi/vivaldi -> permission denied |
| 17:17.07 | jelly | yeah we saw that |
| 17:17.57 | jelly | repo: I do not know whether AMD GPUs need firmware to work AT ALL these days |
| 17:18.55 | jelly | repo: but you can certainly try enabling non-free sources and installing firmware-amd-graphics and rebooting to see if it makes any difference |
| 17:18.58 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 17:18.58 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 17:19.59 | jelly | ioricloud: you are probably missing executable permissions on some or all of those parent directories. |
| 17:20.26 | greycat | probably not / or you'd be seeing MANY other problems |
| 17:20.34 | ioricloud | delete this folder and reinstall? |
| 17:20.34 | greycat | probably either /opt or /opt/vivaldi |
| 17:20.40 | ioricloud | yes |
| 17:20.41 | greycat | ioricloud: ls -ld /opt /opt/vivaldi |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | ioricloud: no, show output of last thing I asked |
| 17:21.09 | jelly | or last thing the grey cat asked |
| 17:21.15 | ioricloud | drwx------ 11 root root 4096 fev 19 13:14 /opt |
| 17:21.18 | ioricloud | drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 fev 19 13:14 /opt/vivaldi |
| 17:21.22 | greycat | aye, that's the one |
| 17:21.23 | jelly | there you go. |
| 17:21.27 | greycat | ioricloud: chmod 755 /opt (as root) |
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| 17:22.19 | ioricloud | wow |
| 17:22.26 | jelly | and possibly figure out what changed those |
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| 17:22.54 | ioricloud | I didnt change this |
| 17:23.14 | greycat | it could have been a bug in the vivaldi-stable package, or an accident that you don't remember |
| 17:23.15 | ioricloud | how I say, only updated with apt |
| 17:24.06 | jelly | if you have daily backups you might figure out when the permissions changed |
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| 17:37.38 | MrET | Hello ppl!! OMG there is free money and Bitcoin here!! : https://freebitco.in/?r=599908 |
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| 17:44.40 | ioricloud | thanks jelly and greycat |
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| 17:57.57 | terr__ | I asked before. I didn't see any response so I'll ask again. I lifted the MBR (system will not support EFI) on two drives - 1) the original windows 7 drive (sda) and a backup external hard drive (sde). What I see in the two MBRs has me confused: |
| 17:58.36 | terr__ | here is what I find. On a new HDD where I do NOT expect an MBR and I expect it to NOT be bootable... in fact there is an MBR. I need to read the partition tables out of the file. Can this be done? Reading from sector zero (0) is not an issue. I want to parse the file copy of sector zero... and later change it. |
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| 17:58.58 | terr__ | I did use fdisk to make a partition as bootable and it is reasonable that Fdisk may have built an MBR to point the boot loader into the said bootable partition. I am trying to find out what is actually going on here. |
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| 17:59.10 | terr__ | I did use fdisk to make a partition as bootable and it is reasonable that Fdisk may have built an MBR to point the boot loader into the said bootable partition. I am trying to find out what is actually going on here. |
| 18:01.41 | valdyn | terr__: the bootable flag is just a flag, its useless |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | terr__: what's your actual goal, after you read the partition table? |
| 18:02.20 | valdyn | terr__: it only makes sense with a boot loader that looks at that flag |
| 18:02.28 | terr__ | valdyn, I kinda thought so... and I've asked in ##bsd also. |
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| 18:02.47 | terr__ | whgere did the populated MBR come from? The disk was not formatted. |
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| 18:03.02 | valdyn | terr__: it is so, however, im sure someone knows which bootloader uses that flag. I *guess* its msdos, but i don't know |
| 18:03.19 | jelly | terr__: did you at any point write to it or kept the disk connected to a booted OS? |
| 18:03.26 | jelly | like windows? |
| 18:04.00 | terr__ | My goal? get Grub installed (config file issues I think) and be able to move partitions from disk to disk with a bootable image so as to have backup and recover and fail safe |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | You said "I did use fdisk to make a partition ..." so the disk *was* "formatted" in the sense that you laid down a disk label (partition table). |
| 18:04.46 | valdyn | terr__: grub needs files on disk in some cases, its to large for the MBR |
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| 18:05.06 | terr__ | jelly - I had it in a window 7 systems and partitioned it there. BUT - I did not set any of those partitions as bootable and I did not even copy in a file... At least I don't recall doing it... I used Stretch for that. |
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| 18:06.00 | valdyn | terr__: copying the mbr is not a big deal... |
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| 18:06.05 | jelly | terr__: what kind of filesystems are there and do you plan to keep any windows bootable? |
| 18:06.20 | terr__ | valdyn, ya I know that - has to be in a bootable partition. But this SHOULD mean it lives in a file... and it becomes the 2nd stage boot. How does that sector address get populated adn its it relative to the parition start or absolute? |
| 18:06.31 | jelly | terr__: if you'd formatted the disk with windows, it prorbably wrote mbr code by default. I don't really remember. |
| 18:06.36 | valdyn | terr__: why would it live in a file? |
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| 18:07.53 | terr__ | I do intend to have a bootable windows partition on this drive. It is a backup drive and has an image of sda1. (windows 7). But it also has a bottable windows partition and a bootable Linux partition... and it likely will spend most of its life in a bank saftey deposit box. |
| 18:08.21 | valdyn | terr__: partitions are not 'bootable' - that flag is useless |
| 18:08.25 | jelly | terr__: usually grub-pc keeps a tiny piece of code in mbr, and a larger piece in the unparititioned space between sector 0 and first partition. |
| 18:08.41 | jelly | grub or linux do not care about the bootable flag. |
| 18:08.54 | terr__ | jelly, that DOES make sense. and if so then I _should_ be able to look at the parition addresses... they have to be there - and now I run into I don't know - and that is how does Stage 1 boot jump into stage 2? |
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| 18:09.24 | valdyn | terr__: grub is 3 stages at least - mbr -> region after mbr -> files |
| 18:09.27 | jelly | terr__: so... what's the problem? |
| 18:09.48 | terr__ | jelly... OHHHH! I did not look there. I did read something about there being like 7 unused sectors? |
| 18:10.15 | valdyn | terr__: commonly thats alot more than 7 |
| 18:10.23 | jelly | terr__: what happens when you try to grub-install ? |
| 18:10.38 | terr__ | jelly - eventually - how does Grub find the operating system? it needs the address of the kernel so it can load it. |
| 18:10.54 | terr__ | jelly - fails |
| 18:10.57 | valdyn | terr__: filesystem driver, like a real operating system |
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| 18:11.02 | jelly | terr__: how does it fail? |
| 18:11.11 | terr__ | I posted the message - and forget... can't find something. |
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| 18:11.45 | jelly | terr__: it's better if you can show actual commands and complete output |
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| 18:12.19 | terr__ | its been a few days since I tried grub-install. I started looing into how grub actually works... and I do think grub-install will do the whole thing... once I find out what its missing. The directories and files refered to in the docs are NOT present in the buster.iso |
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| 18:12.42 | valdyn | terr__: grub is modular |
| 18:13.13 | jelly | terr__: grub-install needs to be from inside the installed OS. |
| 18:13.17 | terr__ | lets see. There is a utility in Stretch that will record the screen... I do not recall at this point... I saw it a few days ago. |
| 18:13.26 | valdyn | terr__: it can load files as soon as the filesystem driver is loaded - and it can also put plenty stuff into the unused area |
| 18:13.27 | jelly | terr__: it does not matter what's on install media. |
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| 18:13.37 | terr__ | jellly - that is a problem for me. |
| 18:14.13 | jelly | terr__: you mount your linux, prepare (bind-mount) /dev /sys and /proc, chroot into your linux install, and run it there |
| 18:14.38 | terr__ | here is why. The machine is booted adn ruinning Stretch. I am converting to Buster. I have a boot diectory set up and I did chroot. Grub says missing something... I can do it again. |
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| 18:15.34 | greycat | converting to buster shouldn't require you to chroot into anything, or install grub manually... it should just continue using your existing grub stuff |
| 18:15.35 | jelly | terr__: this buster you're converting to is a completely separate installation of Debian on a different filesystem, right? |
| 18:15.49 | Miles8of9 | they released a new debian minor release .3 and kept the same gnome version used by the flintstones...! >_> |
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| 18:16.20 | valdyn | Miles8of9: those minor releases are bugfix only, in principle. |
| 18:16.22 | jelly | Miles8of9: point releases do not change versions of software, they are basically just patches for important issues |
| 18:16.36 | Miles8of9 | ahh.. ok.. |
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| 18:16.46 | terr__ | I might be missing some pieces... I do have the .iso... and the issue its the default and to use it I will always have to have a separate boot media - which is pretty easy. I want this backup HDD to be totally self contained and to be able to rescue if necessary and install if necessary - both windows and Linux and in fact ANY partition - bootable or not! |
| 18:17.13 | greycat | !stable |
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| 18:17.13 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 18:17.42 | terr__ | jelly - yes. Stretch lives on a 32 GB USB thumb. Buster will live on a 1 TB external HDD and it has a nice big partition all for itself. |
| 18:17.54 | greycat | oh, you're trying to *install* buster, not upgrade to buster |
| 18:17.55 | jelly | terr__: is a completely separate installation of Debian on a different filesystem and a different disk, and you intent to make the disk bootable even if it's standalone and the only disk in the system? |
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| 18:18.15 | jelly | can't type |
| 18:18.38 | terr__ | Windows is on a 3rd HDD (internal) and I have buster.iso on an SD plus I loop back mounted it and I have copies pretty much everywhere - not that it matters. |
| 18:18.47 | jelly | terr__: if you have a second, already running linux, that's enough |
| 18:19.14 | terr__ | yep. That HDD has to be totally stand alone... one that I can plug into pretty much any old machine. |
| 18:19.36 | jelly | terr__: you mount your new linux installation somewhere, bind-mount /dev /sys and /proc, chroot into your linux install, and prepare the boot loader there |
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| 18:19.40 | terr__ | jelly - I do - I have strech booted from the USB stick. |
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| 18:20.22 | terr__ | jelly - I have not looked into bind-mount. Let me check it out! |
| 18:20.48 | jelly | !fixboot |
| 18:20.48 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 18:21.09 | jelly | terr__: start from step "mount your root filesystem ..." |
| 18:21.39 | terr__ | okay... let me give it a go. |
| 18:21.46 | jelly | ignore the efi bits if not using efi |
| 18:22.05 | terr__ | jelly - also I am nursing a mild flu and sometimes I need to take breaks... it comes and goes. |
| 18:22.48 | terr__ | I won't need efi on this disk. It has to run on 32 bit - but I will have 63 bit installed on it. For Linux - I think its automatic. |
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| 18:23.26 | terr__ | I know Windows is a pain. I have a 2TB drive for the 64 bit machines if need be. Like drives are SO CHEAP! |
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| 18:24.19 | terr__ | damn - Linux probably won't like 63 bit mode. I kind think IBM had that at one time... 64 it will be |
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| 18:26.09 | jelly | I have no idea what you mean by 63 bit mode |
| 18:26.34 | greycat | I think it was a joke after a typo |
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| 18:28.37 | terr__ | jelly, it was a typo. But I do recall IBM had an issue with extended addressing in some of their machines and I think it had to do with somehow they didn't have a full address. |
| 18:28.54 | terr__ | maybe it was a 31 bit address - it was a long time ago... |
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| 18:29.46 | mason | terr__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/31-bit |
| 18:30.27 | terr__ | jelly, do you know if the boot addresses are relative or absolute? They start out in sector (0) and have to be absolute. But once a partition table is loaded they can be relative. |
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| 18:30.59 | greycat | if you want to understand the GORY DETAILS of boot loaders, this may not be the best channel... there's #debian-boot on OFTC. Maybe some grub channels here. |
| 18:31.28 | terr__ | In 1983, IBM introduced 31-bit addressing in the System/370-XA mainframe architecture as an upgrade to the 24-bit physical and virtual |
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| 18:31.46 | terr__ | mason, ^^^ yep. I did remember correctly. |
| 18:32.24 | terr__ | greycat, there is a grub channel - not much going on. |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | I wouldn't expect it to be high volume. |
| 18:32.59 | terr__ | not much going on in #debian-boot |
| 18:33.11 | jelly | #debian-boot is actually about debian-installer, not the boot loaders |
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| 18:33.57 | jelly | terr__: no idea, but you don't have to care about that |
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| 18:39.29 | terr__ | jelly - I need to take a break - headache and I have some work to do to try what you suggested. |
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| 18:40.07 | terr__ | bbl - thanks |
| 18:40.09 | jelly | take care, terr__ |
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| 18:41.45 | PaddyF | i installed another distro in /dev/sdb3 bios boot and /dev/sdb4 root and the update-grub of debian (in /dev/sda5) detects this but i get the grub error: no such device |
| 18:42.00 | PaddyF | "can not get C/H/S values; you need to load the kernel first" |
| 18:42.24 | PaddyF | what can i do about it? |
| 18:42.43 | PaddyF | the partition is there and the UUID is correct |
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| 18:43.09 | jelly | PaddyF: is the system booting from /dev/sda or /dev/sdb? When does that message happen, after chossing a boot menu entry? |
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| 18:43.47 | PaddyF | the system is booting from sda but distro_x was installed to sdb |
| 18:44.05 | PaddyF | and yes, the grub error happens when i select the menu option |
| 18:44.14 | helloworld | hello - I am getting error running Virtualbox on linux saying |
| 18:44.14 | helloworld | Result Code: E_FAIL (0x80004005) |
| 18:44.14 | helloworld | Component: MachineWrap |
| 18:44.14 | helloworld | Interface: IMachine {b2547866-a0a1-4391-8b86-6952d82efaa0} |
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| 18:44.48 | helloworld | I was unable to find a solution online, any ideas? |
| 18:45.02 | jelly | PaddyF: boot debian, see if /boot/grub/device.map has an entry for /dev/sdb, and pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:46.38 | jelly | helloworld: maybe ask in #vbox, mind their European-timezone working hours |
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| 18:47.56 | PaddyF | jelly: strange, i have no device.map on this system |
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| 18:48.19 | greycat | I... don't either, but this is a single-disk system. |
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| 18:50.15 | PaddyF | switching to german locales was not the smartest move either |
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| 18:50.45 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 18:50.45 | dpkg | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
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| 18:51.30 | PaddyF | ah, yes |
| 18:51.31 | jelly | "export LC_ALL=C" overrides any other locale settings, for the duration of that shell |
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| 18:53.41 | tomg | I have Debian 10 on a VPS/cloud computer, but letsencrypt doesn't work. It says "Certbot doesn't know how to automatically configure the web server on this system.". I have Apache installed |
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| 18:56.04 | PaddyF | trying something |
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| 19:09.11 | bolt | tomg: python3-certbot-apache |
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| 19:25.15 | skandalist | Is there a command, to show current value of LD_PRELOAD? |
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| 19:25.36 | mason | skandalist: "echo $LD_PRELOAD" |
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| 19:27.06 | savantgarde | Is anyone here familiar with Docker image vulnerability scanners that work well with Debian? I tried trivy and it found lots of vulns (about 59) in Debian stable, and none in testing, so I'm wondering if it's missing backported fixes |
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| 19:27.36 | jelly | savantgarde: check a couple CVEs you know are fixed |
| 19:27.40 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 19:27.40 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 19:28.02 | savantgarde | jelly yeah I thought I would check CVEs manually tomorrow |
| 19:28.07 | savantgarde | To see if it's missing stuff |
| 19:28.12 | jelly | savantgarde: free scanners usually generate tons of false positives |
| 19:28.24 | skandalist | <mason> thanks! |
| 19:28.29 | savantgarde | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.41 | savantgarde | You know of any solid paid scanners? |
| 19:28.47 | jelly | sadly no |
| 19:29.01 | savantgarde | Aw ð |
| 19:29.03 | jelly | I just laugh at pentest reports. |
| 19:29.14 | savantgarde | I thought I'd try GCR and Clair too |
| 19:29.31 | jelly | and shake head sadly every 3 months or so |
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| 19:29.46 | savantgarde | So in general Debian stable should have all the security fixes from testing? |
| 19:29.53 | jelly | no. |
| 19:30.03 | skandalist | Is there any manual about managing LD_PRELOAD? (add, remove, reset,) |
| 19:30.07 | jelly | stable has MORE security fixes than testing |
| 19:30.18 | jelly | testing is the worst option to use |
| 19:30.58 | greycat | A few years ago, some people tried to set up a "testing security" thing. It didn't catch on. It still exists, in theory, but it's empty. |
| 19:31.15 | jelly | !testing security |
| 19:31.16 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty). |
| 19:31.20 | jelly | it went nowhere slow |
| 19:31.37 | jelly | LTS works better |
| 19:32.21 | jelly | companies have actually been paying for security fixes for old-old-stable enough to support about 1-2 people working full time worth of |
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| 19:33.08 | de-facto | Hello, I am using acmetool for lets encrypt: just got an email that ACMEv1 will be disabled on June/2020. Are there any "debian" package directories for acmetool-0.2.1 (ACMEv2) as the current debian package will become obsolete/usable with ACMEv1? |
| 19:33.25 | jelly | ,v acmetool |
| 19:33.26 | judd | Package: acmetool on amd64 -- stretch: 0.0.58-5+b1; stretch-backports: 0.0.62-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 0.0.62-3+b11; buster: 0.0.62-3+b11; sid: 0.0.62-3+b11 |
| 19:33.37 | jelly | signs point to "no" |
| 19:34.44 | de-facto | e.g. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=942504 |
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| 19:34.44 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/942504 in acmetool (pending): «acmetool: Does not support ACMEv2»; severity: important; opened: 2019-10-17; last modified: 2020-02-04. |
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| 19:35.18 | jelly | ... and now I have to check if dehydrated is going to stop working as well. |
| 19:35.54 | de-facto | I think this is quite important as many may potentially using that for lets encrypt, hence will get expiring on their certs |
| 19:36.12 | greycat | .. what? did someone change something? |
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| 19:36.42 | de-facto | just got an email from noreply@letsencrypt.org "Update your client software to continue using Let's Encrypt" stating they will deactivate ACMEv1 protocol on June 1st 2020. |
| 19:36.49 | jelly | oh, added around 2018. Hopefully the version in stretch or buster does it. |
| 19:37.20 | knives | jelly: I wonder what whip cream made of camel milk taste like. |
| 19:37.20 | de-facto | not really, even sid will be obsolete https://packages.debian.org/sid/web/acmetool |
| 19:37.36 | jelly | I mean the other LE client, dehydrated, not yours |
| 19:37.43 | greycat | jelly: does what? |
| 19:37.57 | jelly | the new protocol for LE |
| 19:38.06 | greycat | Fuck, someone CHANGED SOMETHING?! |
| 19:38.33 | jelly | apparently they changed it 2 years ago, but now they're finally shutting down the first public protocol |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.30 | greycat | Hmm... |
| 19:39.54 | de-facto | are there any beta "debian" packaging directories for acmetool-0.2.1 (ACMEv2) somewhere so i could build it myself? |
| 19:40.08 | jelly | knives: offtopic, but probably close to https://frozendessertsupplies.com/blogs/news/camel-milk-ice-cream-the-new-dessert-straight-from-the-desert |
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| 19:45.46 | greycat | jelly: is this the thing labeled "ACME v02" in the dehydrated CHANGELOG? |
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| 19:49.38 | greycat | finds https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/end-of-life-plan-for-acmev1/88430 |
| 19:50.53 | tomreyn | http://paste.debian.net/1131144/ |
| 19:51.03 | tomreyn | this is what these notices look like. |
| 19:51.49 | tomreyn | note the first occurrence of the word "new" |
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| 19:52.14 | greycat | because "just upgrade to the latest version of your client" is SUCH A PAINLESS OPTION (not) |
| 19:52.21 | greycat | ,v dehydrated |
| 19:52.22 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 0.3.1-3+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~deb9u1; buster: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1; buster-backports: 0.6.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.6.5-1; sid: 0.6.5-1 |
| 19:52.40 | teclo- | heh there's some package called dehydrated |
| 19:52.43 | teclo- | didin't know |
| 19:52.57 | ratrace | dehydrated is awesome, I'm using it. |
| 19:53.02 | de-facto | so how about acmetool? any ideas? |
| 19:53.15 | greycat | it's the one jelly and I are using... but my web server is just *barely* running jessie, and even then I have to shut down the wiki to run apt-get or my weekly backups, because it runs out of memory |
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| 19:53.22 | greycat | (worse since upgrading from wheezy!) |
| 19:53.23 | ratrace | just carefully read the options manpage, as -gc != -g -c (!) |
| 19:53.41 | teclo- | that's the package you install when you wanna drink a lot ? |
| 19:54.16 | ratrace | https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/60402207?s=400&v=4 |
| 19:54.18 | greycat | looks like the version in stretch *is* a backport... that's just bizarre |
| 19:54.22 | ratrace | that's why :) ACME still |
| 19:55.01 | greycat | stretch: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~deb9u1 |
| 19:55.05 | greycat | what on earth is that |
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| 19:59.24 | greycat | E: Build-Depends dependency for dehydrated cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package debhelper can't satisfy version requirements |
| 19:59.58 | greycat | JUST UPGRADE YOUR CLIENT TO THE LATEST VERSION HOW BAD CAN IT BE RIGHT?!?! |
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| 20:02.31 | greycat | what the fuck, there's only FIVE FILES in the source dir, not counting debian/ and docs/ WHY THE HELL IS IT SO HARD TO BACKPORT |
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| 20:04.53 | thenori | Hey everybody. I have the package libxcb-util0 but pkgconfig can't find the module xcb-util. What do I need to do to get that package accessible by pkgconfig? |
| 20:05.48 | greycat | wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only -- libxcb util -dev |
| 20:05.48 | greycat | libxcb-util0-dev - utility libraries for X C Binding -- atom, aux and event |
| 20:05.48 | greycat | libxcb-render-util0-dev - utility libraries for X C Binding -- render-util |
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| 20:06.00 | greycat | you probably want libxcb-util0-dev |
| 20:06.07 | thenori | thank you |
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| 20:08.45 | Takumi | hello |
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| 20:09.45 | greycat | Someone convince me that it's worth bashing my head against a wall repeatedly to try to build a backport that inexplicably needs fancy buster bullshit debhelper options to "build" a package that is ONE DAMNED SHELL SCRIPT. |
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| 20:11.53 | greycat | I think my best option at this point is to mark the package as "hold" and then replace /usr/bin/dehydrated with the dehydrated file from the source directory. |
| 20:13.04 | jelly | greycat: I sometime just lie about build deps for debhelper version |
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| 20:13.32 | greycat | I don't know how to do that. |
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| 20:13.48 | jelly | carefully edit dsc or debian/control |
| 20:14.12 | jelly | ,v debhelper |
| 20:14.13 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.9; sid: 12.9 |
| 20:14.20 | jelly | ,v dehydrated |
| 20:14.21 | judd | Package: dehydrated on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 0.3.1-3+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~deb9u1; buster: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1; buster-backports: 0.6.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.6.5-1; sid: 0.6.5-1 |
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| 20:14.57 | greycat | I grabbed the source from deb-src stretch onto a jessie box, and I'm sitting in /usr/local/src/dehydrated-0.6.2/debian/ |
| 20:15.10 | jelly | fwiw I'm running 0.6.2-1~bpo9+1 build on Debian 8 and 9 |
| 20:15.25 | greycat | from snapshot? |
| 20:15.29 | jelly | binary deb copied and dpkg -i nstalled. |
| 20:15.32 | mrjones | i do not get anything you are talking about |
| 20:16.08 | greycat | mrjones: Let's Encrypt is shutting down support for older clients |
| 20:16.34 | jelly | it was in stretch-bpo when I grabbed it. I cand try whether 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1 works on jessie unchanged. |
| 20:17.00 | greycat | I mean... it's a bloody shell script... |
| 20:17.15 | mrjones | ? |
| 20:18.07 | jelly | things I stopped caring about: being able to build the software on the same release it's going to be run on, if the runtime deps are ok (and for a shell script, they usually are), I grab .deb on stretch and copy it into my jessie repos. |
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| 20:18.53 | jelly | works well for packages of software written in Go, too. Those are basically static builds. |
| 20:19.21 | ratrace | greycat: wait, how old? buster old? |
| 20:19.49 | jelly | ,build-dep dehydrated --release sid |
| 20:19.50 | judd | Package dehydrated in sid -- Build-Depends: apache2-dev, debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-apache2, dh-exec. |
| 20:19.52 | greycat | The system is running jessie. |
| 20:20.03 | greycat | On a 2.6.x kernel, so I am forced to use sysvinit. |
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| 20:20.35 | jelly | I found a lenny in production last week. |
| 20:20.37 | ratrace | ehh why does dehydrated need apache2-dev |
| 20:20.45 | jelly | ratrace: for apache integration. |
| 20:20.46 | greycat | it has stupid build-deps because the source package apparently produces multiple binary packages, one of which is dehydrated-apache2 whatever THAT is |
| 20:20.53 | ratrace | jelly: oh that's something new? |
| 20:21.03 | ratrace | since he sold dehydrated to that company? |
| 20:21.10 | jelly | ,v dehydrated-apache2 |
| 20:21.11 | judd | Package: dehydrated-apache2 on amd64 -- stretch-updates: 0.3.1-3+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~deb9u1; buster: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1; buster-backports: 0.6.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.6.5-1; sid: 0.6.5-1 |
| 20:21.44 | jelly | wait what, stretch itself has a backport-like version? |
| 20:21.46 | ratrace | oh that's just apache config files |
| 20:21.48 | greycat | "sudo dpkg -i dehydrated_0.6.2-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1_all.deb" went without errors |
| 20:22.04 | jelly | ratrace: it's basically an Alias added to each VirtualHost |
| 20:22.14 | greycat | 14:55 greycat> stretch: 0.6.2-2+deb10u1~deb9u1 |
| 20:22.14 | greycat | 14:55 greycat> what on earth is that |
| 20:22.17 | ratrace | yeah, as dehydrated itself doesn't care and has no special integrations with anything |
| 20:22.29 | jelly | and Allow, er, Require all granted for a directory |
| 20:22.46 | jelly | ratrace: built from the same source package |
| 20:22.57 | jelly | so, special integrations -- happened |
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| 20:23.28 | ratrace | no that's just alias dir. dehydated has no functionality itself to move, install certs or trigger apache reload. it has hook.sh that's basically emtpy for the admin to set up |
| 20:23.33 | jelly | perhaps the maintainer decided to do that last time things broke |
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| 20:23.50 | jhutchins_wk | ,v letsencrypt |
| 20:23.51 | greycat | I guess I'll see whether the snapshot version works, when it runs from cron. I don't feel like poking it right now. |
| 20:23.52 | judd | Package: letsencrypt on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 0.28.0-1~bpo9+1; stretch: 0.28.0-1~deb9u2; stretch-updates: 0.28.0-1~deb9u2; buster: 0.31.0-1 |
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| 20:24.26 | jelly | running "dehydrated -c" from shell is reasonably safe to do |
| 20:24.34 | jelly | at any time |
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| 20:25.33 | ratrace | it is. also, it's a single shell script. I pulled that from dehydrated's git when there was that issue with dehydrated in buster few months ago (ACME something something compatibility wrt http-01) |
| 20:25.36 | greycat | well... OK... it didn't blow up yet. |
| 20:26.20 | greycat | I guess the real test will be when it has to renew. |
| 20:27.03 | jelly | ratrace: yeah was fixed with 0.6.2-1 or 0.6.2-2, unsure |
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| 20:27.31 | ratrace | don't remember either. I think that was bug #892723 |
| 20:27.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/892723 in dehydrated (closed): «dehydrated: Dehydrated broken in stable due to unhandled redirect»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-03-12; last modified: 2020-02-02. |
| 20:27.34 | jelly | that case insensitivity in a http header thing |
| 20:27.38 | ratrace | jelly: yes, that one |
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| 20:29.06 | Takumi | Hi guys, how do you guys hide your IPã
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| 20:29.16 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:29.29 | ratrace | nan des' ka? |
| 20:29.52 | Takumi | sorry guys, how do you guys hide your IP beside your user name? |
| 20:29.57 | Takumi | im new here lol |
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| 20:31.18 | jelly | Takumi: you can't hide your IP completely on irc. Use a jump host and/or VPN. |
| 20:31.44 | bbcc | Only few or mere mortals may try to enter the twilight zone |
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| 20:31.57 | Takumi | @ratrace |
| 20:31.57 | Takumi | ããªãã¯æ¥æ¬èªã話ãã¾ãã |
| 20:32.03 | jelly | !jp |
| 20:32.03 | dpkg | æ¥æ¬èªè©±è
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| 20:32.09 | jelly | ha, that exists |
| 20:32.28 | greycat | not according to /list, it doesn't |
| 20:32.55 | Takumi | thanks @jelly |
| 20:32.55 | ratrace | Takumi: ç§ã¯ãã¾ãã |
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| 20:33.34 | jelly | there's a TINY #debian-japanese on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:37.16 | annadane | i starting adding mailing lists to the non-english factoids (because those irl channels never get any people) but one thing i need to do eventually is also prune the channels that don't exist |
| 20:37.21 | annadane | s/starting/started |
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| 20:37.34 | annadane | help, fix typing |
| 20:37.50 | annadane | i'm not quite done, there's a few ones i still have to do |
| 20:38.13 | jelly | mmm, prunes |
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| 21:05.12 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 21:05.29 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
| 21:05.30 | dpkg | Yes, jelly, you are online. |
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| 21:06.21 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 |
| 21:06.22 | dpkg | <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 21:06.48 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 21:06.48 | dpkg | <ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
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| 21:17.18 | autopsy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:17.48 | greycat | you are probably seeking one of the csh-style history expansion abominations. good luck with that. |
| 21:17.56 | autopsy | It's the same as $HIST[-1]; |
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| 21:18.40 | greycat | man bash, search for "Event Designators". That's the csh history expansion stuff. |
| 21:18.57 | greycat | (it's under the section called HISTORY EXPANSION) |
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| 21:19.04 | autopsy | Ok thanks a ton atonl(); htonl()->greycat == poof! |
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| 22:04.20 | knives | when will debian upgrade to the current postgres version 12? |
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| 22:05.48 | greycat | ,v postgresql |
| 22:05.49 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; bullseye: 12+211; sid: 12+211 |
| 22:05.58 | greycat | Looks like bullseye has it. Will have it. |
| 22:06.19 | knives | isn't bullseye a testing distro? |
| 22:06.25 | greycat | !bullseye |
| 22:06.25 | dpkg | The release following Debian 10 "Buster" is codenamed "Bullseye" (Woody's horse in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 11. It is the current "testing" release. Remember that straight after a stable release, all sorts of mess suddenly lands in "testing" and it is best avoided if you don't like debugging things. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/07/msg00002.html |
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| 22:07.19 | annadane | wait until it appears in backports i guess |
| 22:07.37 | annadane | didn't get backported for stretch though apparently |
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| 22:08.12 | greycat | I don't see *any* backports of postgresql, postgresql-11 or postgresql-9.6 which are the only ones I've checked... |
| 22:08.27 | knives | backport? |
| 22:08.41 | knives | nvm |
| 22:08.44 | knives | I googled that |
| 22:08.52 | knives | is debian backporting? |
| 22:08.59 | knives | or postgresql? |
| 22:09.12 | greycat | Nobody is. That's my point. |
| 22:09.16 | annadane | ,v postgresql9 |
| 22:09.17 | judd | No package named 'postgresql9' was found in amd64. |
| 22:09.23 | greycat | ,v postgresql-9.6 |
| 22:09.24 | judd | Package: postgresql-9.6 on amd64 -- stretch: 9.6.16-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 9.6.17-0+deb9u1 |
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| 22:11.22 | jelly | ,v postgresql |
| 22:11.23 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; bullseye: 12+211; sid: 12+211 |
| 22:11.29 | greycat | started with that one |
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| 22:11.47 | annadane | so unless *someone* backports it... |
| 22:11.58 | jelly | upstream has decent repos. |
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| 22:12.12 | rander2 | hello |
| 22:12.32 | jelly | knives: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 22:13.23 | rander2 | mysql -u root -p ---> Enter password: |
| 22:13.24 | rander2 | ERROR 1698 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' |
| 22:13.40 | rander2 | how may I solve this proble |
| 22:13.43 | rander2 | m |
| 22:13.51 | jelly | rander2: which debian release is this? |
| 22:14.11 | jelly | loves to ask that question |
| 22:14.12 | joepublic | pasting that error into your favorite search engine should have it sorted within 5 minutes or so, if you are unable to resolve it here |
| 22:14.13 | greycat | rander2: just run "mysql -u root" as root. Do not use -p. Do not try to pass a password. |
| 22:14.33 | rander2 | mysql 5.7.29 |
| 22:14.34 | jelly | in fact, just run "mysql" as root if it's debian 10 |
| 22:14.46 | jelly | rander2: which debian release is this? |
| 22:14.47 | knives | jelly: jelly I don't know. Installed it a couple of months ago. But uname -a doesn't show its name |
| 22:14.54 | joepublic | "mysql 5.7.29" is not a debian release... |
| 22:14.55 | greycat | knives: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:15.00 | rander2 | with id 0 ? root from OS not from mysql |
| 22:15.04 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 22:15.04 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 22:15.10 | rander2 | debian 10 |
| 22:15.12 | knives | jelly: 10.3 |
| 22:15.36 | jelly | knives: upstream has builds for buster if you absolutely need 12. https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt |
| 22:15.40 | rander2 | ok, it go from root |
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| 22:16.40 | jelly | knives: however if things break, you don't come asking us which glue to use |
| 22:17.22 | jelly | rander2: where did you get mysql-server 5.7 from? |
| 22:17.26 | greycat | rander2: from here, you can set a password on 'root'@'localhost' if you so desire |
| 22:17.34 | jelly | ,v mysql-server |
| 22:17.35 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.62-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.26-1 |
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| 22:19.02 | jelly | wonders if oracle provides the mysql_secure_installation script |
| 22:19.36 | jelly | that exists if you install the default-mysql-server from buster |
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| 22:26.38 | skandalist | what the difference between "tsocks" and ". tsocks -on" commands? |
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| 22:27.51 | rander2 | how may I set a root passwd in mysql 5.7.29 ? |
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| 22:31.00 | rander2 | mysqladmin |
| 22:32.11 | greycat | The important thing you need to know about mysql is that it doesn't have "a password for root". It has "a password for 'root'@'localhost'" and it has another, SEPARATE, "password for 'root'@*" where * is any other host. |
| 22:32.17 | greycat | This is all in the upstream docs. |
| 22:32.53 | greycat | Someone thought this was a good idea. |
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| 23:08.44 | HelloShitty | Hi peeps. I know this is not the proper channel for this question but I'm not sure where else to ask for help. I have a PGP Pub key in an online site. I downloaded my key and it came as an .asc file. I tried to copy it's contents into another site to add that pub key to that site, but the site complains that the pub key needs to be exported as armored ascii format. How can I do this from an .asc file? |
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| 23:36.00 | clemens3 | HelloShitty: there is an --armor flag in gpg command line, combine that with exporting the key.. |
| 23:36.35 | HelloShitty | clemens3: I know about that. But I was trying to convert the .asc file to armor ascii |
| 23:36.43 | HelloShitty | but in fact, that was not needed |
| 23:37.08 | HelloShitty | by some reason, the site was not accepting the file as is... But the .asc file is already in armor ascii format |
| 23:37.12 | HelloShitty | anyways, I got it |
| 23:37.14 | HelloShitty | thanks |
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| 23:39.26 | yibotg | I found the buster remove the icu-config in icu-devtools,How can I use it by modify the confiure? thank you |
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| 23:40.59 | joepublic | I salute your dedication to learning English, by the way. |
| 23:41.28 | yibotg | ok ok sorry :-) |
| 23:41.56 | joepublic | no, i am not joking but serious. innovative syntax but totally understandable. |
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| 23:48.28 | yibotg | joepublic::-) maybe as I listen to a foreigner speaking Chiness~sorry for my poor english |
| 23:48.56 | joepublic | your english is terrific. |
| 23:49.06 | joepublic | wish i knew the answer to your question :) |
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| 23:59.21 | terr_ | jelly, I am a complete idjot. Of COURSE this external HDD has a partition table on it. I put it there when I partitioned the drive! Its the boot sequence I need to look at! ...AND... I found fdisk file.mbr works. to get file.mbr: dd if=/dev/sde of=file.mbr bs=12 count=1 So now I see I can just copy an MBR and fdisk will read it. |
| 23:59.57 | terr_ | bs=512 sticky key |