| 00:00.06 | foul_owl | And unfortunately Debian doesn't have a page like this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but for opencl |
| 00:00.56 | foul_owl | Searching apt gives me over 100 results |
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| 00:01.54 | foul_owl | I did find the "clinfo" package, which tells me that I have 0 opencl platforms available |
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| 00:14.22 | foul_owl | If it's honestly trivial to install opencl I would appreicate some help, because installing random packages is not the way forward |
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| 00:16.15 | foul_owl | For example, to install dig, I know you you have to install the package "dnsutils" but doing "apt search dig" produces a list of 900 packages |
| 00:16.33 | foul_owl | But someone told me that years ago, there is no way I could figure that out if I didn't know |
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| 00:17.41 | foul_owl | At least, I know the full path of the binary "/usr/bin/dig" and I can use apt-file to search for it, but how would i know to search for that binary path if I didn't already know the contents of the package? In the same way, I have no clue what binaries the opencl package should contain, thus, I can't use apt-file to search for it |
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| 00:23.48 | somiaj | opencl is a set of headers, not binaries. Such as opencl-c-headers contains the headers for the C language. There are c++ headers, python libs, and so forth. |
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| 00:25.56 | somiaj | for nvidia you probably need nvidia-libopencl1 |
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| 01:42.30 | nvz | are there any modern clustering solutions worthwhile for desktop use that are in Debian? i.e. if I had two machines of identical hardware sitting wired via ethernet to one another, so they could get a performance gain? |
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| 01:44.00 | nvz | I have a Lenovo T440 and I am thinking of buying back my X240 as my cousin got a new computer.. just wondering if it'd be worth it to try utilize the power of both machines (both have 4th gen Core i5 and 8gb ram) |
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| 07:22.57 | annadane | why does virt-manager not let me authenticate with my root password? |
| 07:23.18 | Wulf | annadane: typo? |
| 07:23.28 | annadane | wth, my sudo password works |
| 07:23.37 | annadane | it could be a typo, i'm typing in the dark but i'm pretty sure i did it correctly |
| 07:24.05 | Wulf | annadane: check the logs, perhaps auth.log |
| 07:24.10 | jm_ | virt-manager never asked me for a password :) |
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| 07:25.03 | annadane | yeah it doesn't if you're in libvirt |
| 07:25.46 | annadane | well these error messages aren't useful, in auth.log |
| 07:25.52 | annadane | my sudo password does work for whatever reason |
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| 07:29.48 | annadane | oh well i guess i'll just add myself to the group anyway |
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| 07:31.23 | cupcake90 | Hi from a doc : "perl client has beta relay feature built-in so this can be commented out" How do i check if it is enabled |
| 07:31.43 | cupcake90 | in perl I mean |
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| 07:35.56 | jm_ | there are tons of perl clients, how do you expect anyone to help you if you don't specify which client you are talking about? |
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| 08:29.09 | agris | https://systemd.vtsoft.dev/ |
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| 08:38.42 | toffe | Hi trying here, struggeling installing wine64 |
| 08:38.59 | toffe | getting a error while installing |
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| 08:39.02 | toffe | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.30-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 08:39.02 | dpkg | toffe: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 08:39.48 | jm_ | toffe: this channel is for help with debian, not ubuntu |
| 08:40.11 | toffe | I tried in ubuntu channel, I have gotten good help here as Ubuntu is debian based |
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| 08:40.30 | toffe | http://paste.debian.net/1133684/ |
| 08:40.31 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 08:40.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 08:41.06 | toffe | *sigh* |
| 08:41.15 | toffe | Let's live in a square world. |
| 08:42.11 | RA3OR | hi, in debian, is mysql running differently(like a limp mode) if i put a website directory under /home/user/sites/site_dir/ and not /var/www/site_dir/ ? |
| 08:42.46 | ayekat | RA3OR: myqsl no |
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| 08:43.21 | ayekat | though if you are comparing a user's home and a system-wide directory, the question about what user does the process interacting with mysql run as (and how does it connect to mysql)? |
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| 08:43.41 | toffe | I could help but i wont since i use ubuntu. |
| 08:43.41 | ayekat | s/about/is/ |
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| 08:46.39 | ayekat | ... actually, the question is: "What exactly is the problem?" :-) |
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| 08:48.04 | RA3OR | can you update from 4.9.0-11-amd64 to 4.19.0-8-amd64 without having to install fresh copy of debian ? |
| 08:49.27 | jm_ | that's a downgrade, not upgrade, but yes, one can update the kernel just like other packages |
| 08:49.39 | ayekat | 4.9 to 4.19 is not a downgrade |
| 08:49.44 | jm_ | yes misread it |
| 08:49.55 | ayekat | but the question is rather, why are you trying to upgrade a kernel like that? |
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| 08:49.58 | jm_ | RA3OR: you can get newer kernel from backports if you need it |
| 08:50.31 | ayekat | actually... disregard my last question - there's plenty of reasons why one wants to upgrade the kernel ^^ |
| 08:52.03 | ayekat | ,v linux-image |
| 08:52.04 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
| 08:52.17 | jm_ | judd, kernels |
| 08:52.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 08:52.20 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
| 08:54.09 | ayekat | ah, 4.19 is in jessie-backports, not jessie... packages.debian.org has confused me ^^ |
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| 08:55.15 | IamTrying | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rrVdjVbtrx/ - Updates fail |
| 08:55.16 | RA3OR | so, is update possible, rather than install and having to do all updates and app-get(s) and .sh additions? |
| 08:56.07 | ayekat | well, unless you've already added the backports repo, you'll need at least an apt update after adding a repo |
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| 08:56.27 | ayekat | and what do you mean with ".sh additions"? |
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| 08:57.52 | jm_ | IamTrying: it already told you what to do |
| 08:57.53 | jm_ | oh well |
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| 08:58.31 | ayekat | even the error message already tells you what to do |
| 08:58.40 | ayekat | oh, I misread |
| 08:58.49 | ayekat | I read it as "I already told youâ¦" |
| 08:59.14 | ayekat | gets coffee and leaves his keyboard alone for a while |
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| 09:22.24 | astephanh | hello. i like to write a script to tranform a kind of template to an env file. for example one file env.dis contains "LOCAL_USER=$(id -u)" the resulting file should bei env containing "LOCAL_USER=1000" can i do this in bash |
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| 09:25.04 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: sounds like you want to source the files from the start script. just like .profile does with .bashrc |
| 09:25.39 | cupcake90 | jm_: Sorry late reply i am actually testing a tool : https://github.com/pkolano/ballast , I noticed that perl line in the conf I didnt get it |
| 09:27.05 | astephanh | Ede|Popede: i try to create an env file for docker-compose which needs to be a static file. so my idea is to write an transform script to generate all needed vars in this file |
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| 09:28.06 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: i guess docker needs it at startup. you could write a wrapper script that creates the file. |
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| 09:29.54 | jm_ | cupcake90: looking at https://github.com/pkolano/ballast/blob/master/perl/ballast it uses a perl function if it's commented out, see lines 135-138 |
| 09:31.59 | cupcake90 | jm_: Not commented :( |
| 09:32.18 | astephanh | Ede|Popede: yeah, try not to use any wrapper to keep it simple. because the developer who should use it are beginner to intermediate. |
| 09:32.22 | jm_ | astephanh: surely your script can say «echo echo LOCAL_USER=\"$(id -u)\"» to create the script? |
| 09:32.29 | cupcake90 | jm_: IO::Socket is the module right |
| 09:32.47 | jm_ | cupcake90: I think you misunderstood - the part in config file can be commented and then it uses the built in perl relay |
| 09:33.24 | cupcake90 | jm_: ha now I get it let me have a look |
| 09:38.50 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: are those values like $(id -u) always the same? probably not or you could create a generic file. so you have to run code every time you start it to create that env file. you can either do this before you start the docker thing or you automize this. and put env file creation and docker thing start into the same file (or you source the creation script). |
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| 09:41.12 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: or you could define an alias or a function which creates the file and then starts the program. could be both again, individual commands in the function or a call of the creator script. |
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| 09:45.37 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: i have an alias for screen. want my own config and some start option. lightweight enough not to need a function or even a script. and i've had some python/java wrapper scripts brought in by the applications. placed them into /usr/local/bin and the rest goes into lib. i remember the java thing needed a -m option, where else to put it together with some env definitions? |
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| 09:58.58 | RA3OR | does debian os run tasks on mysql as user root with no password? |
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| 09:59.39 | thms | RA3OR: no ? |
| 10:00.10 | thms | There is a configuration file that contains the password so that you can pass it to mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 10:00.28 | thms | This way you can login as root or debian-èsysÃs-maint without a password. (the password is in the file) |
| 10:00.47 | RA3OR | server guy says that the os runs some taks as user root with password (as old type password) that crashes the scripts |
| 10:00.54 | RA3OR | what tasks, nobody knows :o |
| 10:01.17 | ratrace | get a competent "sever guy" who would find out what tasks are those, and fire this one. |
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| 10:04.18 | thms | RA3OR: show full processlist in mysql console |
| 10:04.31 | RA3OR | thms its clean |
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| 10:05.20 | thms | RA3OR: then ask him for logs and I could agree it's a bad sysadmin.. |
| 10:05.35 | thms | Blaming people without real informations is useless |
| 10:06.00 | RA3OR | thms which logs? i have access to /var/logs |
| 10:06.27 | thms | The queries/tasks he think should not be there/crashes your script |
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| 10:06.40 | thms | Everything mysql does should be in full processlist. |
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| 10:08.20 | Gallo_20 | hay Gallinas? |
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| 10:21.45 | astephanh | Ede|Popede: so far i have .env + docker-compose which is cool. i can use direnv or a wrapper or the like. but the developers are not experienced enough. so i try to make life simple for them. like an update_env.sh script which creates the .env file (mostly i need it for user mapping in docker) |
| 10:21.48 | r3m1 | hello |
| 10:22.19 | r3m1 | which package should I install to get the matching kernel sources for a machine ? |
| 10:22.47 | r3m1 | s/sources/headers/ |
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| 10:24.42 | ratrace | r3m1: in general, linux-image-amd64 for the kernel and linux-headers-amd64 for the headers, those are metapackages that pull in appropriate versioned packages. |
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| 10:25.56 | r3m1 | thank you ratrace |
| 10:26.21 | Ede|Popede | astephanh: just what i said. have a script doing it. there's nothing simpler than having them run one single command. if it's docker or dockerstarter, where's the difference? and you can hide all the dirty bits in the script. |
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| 10:37.58 | RA3OR | [thms] RA3OR: then ask him for logs and I could agree it's a bad sysadmin.. |
| 10:38.12 | RA3OR | thms: i have no doubt |
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| 11:09.34 | f8e3 | is gnugpg still the way to go to securely communicate? |
| 11:09.42 | f8e3 | without any shiny app thingy |
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| 11:12.29 | deepy | do you only need to hide the content of the message, nothing else? |
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| 11:23.24 | f8e3 | yes, just hang my identity onto some key, and anyone who challenges me i can sign and he has pubkey to verify |
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| 12:07.14 | f8e3 | differently: how do you know one person is really who he claims to be? |
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| 12:23.40 | nifker | Is there any unofficial repo for roccat-tools? |
| 12:25.32 | Wulf | Is there any command to check if a package is installed or not? It should simply exit with 0 or 1 so it's easy to use in a script. |
| 12:26.53 | jm_ | Wulf: dpkg -s |
| 12:26.59 | Ticho | Wulf: dpkg -s packagename, but you may want to redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
| 12:27.55 | Wulf | This also return 0 for not-installed packages |
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| 12:28.28 | Ticho | Wulf: are you sure? https://pastebin.com/wVbwfUj5 |
| 12:28.48 | Wulf | Ticho: I'm sure. E.g. if a package is in "rc" state |
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| 12:30.19 | Ticho | Wulf: such package is installed, but in a certain state |
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| 12:35.11 | f8e3 | https://wiki.debian.org/PasswordManagement |
| 12:35.24 | f8e3 | does debian have a builtin password manager ( i see save option using gpg) ? |
| 12:36.38 | Ticho | Wulf: you could also use: apt-show-versions packagename | grep -vq "not installed" |
| 12:36.55 | Ticho | it's likely not as efficient as calling dpkg directly, though |
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| 12:37.41 | jm_ | f8e3: debian as such does not, but if you install a DE it might come with one |
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| 12:41.57 | wikan | is there any wide explanation why Alpine lxc image is 3 MB but Debian has 300 MB? |
| 12:42.43 | autopsy | Cause Alpine is for embedded systems |
| 12:43.02 | autopsy | Like n routes |
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| 12:43.26 | wikan | autopsy: I remember when I was trying BSD jails and I was qustioning unnecessary files |
| 12:43.58 | wikan | can we find any unnecessary files in those 300MB? |
| 12:44.36 | f8e3 | jm_ DE? |
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| 12:44.39 | wikan | I know it is enbedded but it is still huge difference |
| 12:45.00 | jm_ | f8e3: desktop environment, i.e. gnome/kde/... |
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| 12:48.29 | autopsy | Fuck all this bullshit just shut the hell up /usr/share/locale/tzdtata all the .mo files and all of the mandb files are extra stuff for an embedded system so yes 300 MB I made as Fedora livecd whuich was 250 Mb just using rpm --initdb /mnt/sysroot ; dnf install --installroot=/mnt/sysroot bash ;;;; |
| 12:49.06 | autopsy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6l_VFWQLyI |
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| 12:49.46 | wikan | autopsy, I was wondering if I can remove such files :D |
| 12:49.56 | wikan | I wasn't sure ;) and still I am not :D |
| 12:50.51 | ratrace | autopsy: mind your language please |
| 12:51.08 | wikan | ratrace, maybe I am not only one who asked ;) |
| 12:51.48 | wikan | actually I should not ask about this because I have much more important question for now |
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| 12:52.28 | wikan | I am trying to find a way to learn about apparmor because I'cant secure my lxc containers |
| 12:52.31 | ratrace | wikan: you can look into both and see the differences. that 3MB image probably has nothing but libc and some related config files |
| 12:52.31 | autopsy | wikan ask away young doodler toodle her toodle duh |
| 12:52.49 | wikan | and I have found it is possible to mount my phisical drive inside lxc |
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| 12:53.16 | autopsy | uh oh chroot pivot_rooot injection!!!! |
| 12:53.44 | autopsy | exec /sbin/init linuxrc |
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| 12:53.52 | ratrace | wikan: so, did you check google for any docs and tutorials; there's a few |
| 12:54.19 | wikan | ratrace - (let me back to size question quickly) yes I can see difference but maybe there is difference in a source code too - I don't want remove something what is necessary - but question is closed for now. |
| 12:54.21 | autopsy | retrace --welcome <to my maze of turtles> |
| 12:54.31 | wikan | yesy I did check google |
| 12:54.39 | wikan | I stuck on privileges |
| 12:54.51 | autopsy | busybox makes up a lot wikan |
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| 12:54.58 | Janni | Hello! |
| 12:55.05 | autopsy | it s code is different |
| 12:55.29 | wikan | I have read I think a lot about apparmor, but still there is something I don't understand and what can't let me cross barrier |
| 12:55.34 | autopsy | I am so glad we caqn fit bash into an initrmamfs now. |
| 12:55.43 | ayekat | .oO(ops in this channel are pretty lenient, huh...?) |
| 12:55.51 | Janni | Does anybody know a good terminal emulator with a separate input area? (I know that this cannot work perfectly as any running program might capture my input, but often enough I know which ones do and which ones don't). |
| 12:55.59 | autopsy | instead of 16 megabytes initrd we have initramfs now |
| 12:56.00 | wikan | I can't turn apparmor and make it work with lxc images - only errors, errors and errors - of course silent errors under a hood |
| 12:56.18 | ratrace | wikan: do you have a specific question about it? |
| 12:56.21 | ayekat | Janni: what's the goal, actually? |
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| 12:56.37 | autopsy | Oh fuck this is disgusting. |
| 12:56.55 | autopsy | Ikari warriars |
| 12:56.57 | ratrace | autopsy: again, mind your language please |
| 12:56.59 | Janni | aykat: Whenever there's a command that's running for some time and has some output, I'd like to be able to already type the next command. |
| 12:57.04 | autopsy | Kid icaryus |
| 12:57.07 | autopsy | Ok |
| 12:57.17 | Janni | aykat: (without my input being jumbled by the output of the running program) |
| 12:57.32 | ayekat | Janni: you can use <Tab> to autocomplete nicknames |
| 12:57.40 | Janni | aykat: (with the possibility to use backspace etc to edit my current new command) |
| 12:57.50 | wikan | ratrace. I am not sure if I can as right question. All what I want to understand is why lxc machine don't starts when I turn apparmor in config files. I don't know if it is about cgroups, other privileges - no idea. I can't even use google in this situation because I don't know what should I look for. |
| 12:57.53 | Janni | ayekat: depends on the IRC client. |
| 12:58.24 | ratrace | wikan: what do you mean by "turn apparmor in config files"? apparmor needs specific policies, so which policy are you talking about? |
| 12:58.32 | ayekat | Janni: if your IRC client doesn't have nickname autocompletion, you might want to switch to a proper IRC client :-) |
| 12:58.52 | ayekat | Janni: as for your question, I believe bash will read your input regardless of the currently running program... |
| 12:58.55 | ratrace | even telnet has it! |
| 12:58.58 | ayekat | (but it's not very elegant indeed) |
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| 12:59.41 | wikan | ratrace: I mean option lxc.apparmor.profile. It is only works for unonfined. |
| 12:59.54 | ayekat | Janni: it's an interesting issue, but I have no idea, unfortunately :-/ |
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| 13:00.11 | wikan | and of course it is all about unprivileged lxc |
| 13:00.43 | ratrace | wikan: which profile did you enable for it? |
| 13:00.54 | autopsy | yes bash still will process your command that is why it is important you start appkllications using >/dev/null 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 13:01.28 | autopsy | Try this rpm -qaV >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 13:01.40 | ayekat | could... someone please kick this clown? |
| 13:01.44 | autopsy | or dhclient >/dev/null |
| 13:02.02 | ayekat | Janni: you can do some tty trickery à la https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10009433 |
| 13:02.05 | ratrace | autopsy: do you have a support question for your problem? |
| 13:02.18 | autopsy | clown? nigga I'm a giraffe... actually this circus is a ZOO!!!! |
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| 13:03.20 | autopsy | Cmon I'm running Buster Douglas and I've aptitude regretted kniowing my attitude for each package that fails. |
| 13:03.35 | Fox | looks like a bot on LSD |
| 13:03.50 | autopsy | everybody yused to claim redhat was dependency hell nopw looiok at allo you fools. |
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| 13:04.05 | wikan | ratrace, I have to google for value I have tried because I don't remember - gimme minute |
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| 13:05.04 | autopsy | wikan, tell me an error. |
| 13:05.21 | wikan | ratrace, I found - I have tried all from docs (like "generated") and even I tried giving profile files paths as an value |
| 13:05.27 | autopsy | I'll bind mount it with configfs and send it to sys. |
| 13:05.59 | autopsy | This mutherfscking circus is a zoo!!! |
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| 13:06.43 | ratrace | !ops autopsy is requesting your attention |
| 13:06.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ratrace complains about a problem (see above) |
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| 13:07.29 | autopsy | I want to talk to Red Phosphorous Hydroxide amnd Iodine and Ephedrine fool. |
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| 13:08.09 | autopsy | I'll be in the bathroom boo hoo in |
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| 13:08.21 | wikan | autopsy can I post on pastebin? |
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| 13:08.52 | ayekat | wj |
| 13:08.54 | autopsy | wikan, or I can give you a shell on my server and you can post the contents in your home directory. |
| 13:08.57 | ratrace | wikan: please ignore the troll, he has intention to help you |
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| 13:09.12 | ayekat | sorry - that was meant to be "please don't feed the troll" |
| 13:09.20 | wikan | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a8482b9b/ |
| 13:09.20 | Ede|Popede | missing a "no"? |
| 13:09.24 | autopsy | Oh for shitake sakes man give it up already asshole. |
| 13:09.35 | ratrace | wikan: *no intention :) |
| 13:09.45 | autopsy | No intention? |
| 13:10.00 | autopsy | Who the frag are you determining my intientions? |
| 13:10.00 | wikan | it is ok |
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| 13:10.09 | Ede|Popede | sounds like the end of a human-timelord metacrisis after all |
| 13:10.31 | wikan | so I don't know if I should continue pasting errors :D |
| 13:10.51 | autopsy | I care cause all years I've heard nothing but crap from Debian and Gentoo seriously about dependencies andout system now and about everything. |
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| 13:11.09 | autopsy | systemd |
| 13:11.17 | ratrace | wikan: I've never used lxc with a specific AA profile, but I'm using AA elsewhere extensively. in this case you need to name a profile, and I don't know what "generated" does really, what's the autogeneration criteria |
| 13:11.40 | autopsy | I know more about Debian than you do and I'be used Slackware!!! 1.2.1 with fvwm and xclock |
| 13:11.49 | ratrace | wikan: ideally, if you have a problem with an existing, named profile, you should grep your logs for audit entries about AA denial and see where's failing or pastebin them |
| 13:12.21 | autopsy | He already DID HE SAID HE HAS errors ALREASDY |
| 13:12.44 | wikan | ratrace - I was even stracing it before and found the file is not accasable probably because of security reasons |
| 13:13.01 | autopsy | i'VW GOT NOTHING BUT SODIUM HYDROXIDE AND IODINE SON. aND YOU GUESSED IT TIME. |
| 13:13.06 | wikan | and have triend to generate my own profile, but tool wasn;t work :| |
| 13:13.10 | autopsy | oops |
| 13:13.13 | autopsy | caops klock |
| 13:13.16 | wikan | so I s tuck for a long time till now ;) |
| 13:13.52 | autopsy | Get some acid and sandpaper and unstick your selfes. |
| 13:14.23 | autopsy | Stuck on this trip like carbide on a tip |
| 13:14.38 | ratrace | wikan: they rarely do due to a number of factors. so unles you know which profile to use or have built one yourself, perhaps you shouldn't enable it. AA really requires a specific policy |
| 13:15.04 | autopsy | I'm eating raw bologna with hot souce. |
| 13:15.48 | wikan | well I understand it ratrace. But this is exactly the problem - I can't find a path to follow ;) |
| 13:16.00 | ratrace | wikan: path? |
| 13:16.10 | wikan | *idea |
| 13:16.18 | wikan | *possibility |
| 13:16.18 | autopsy | If I knew your IPv4 address i'd dump this gallon of gas on you and light you up. |
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| 13:16.46 | wikan | i tried all what I could I think |
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| 13:17.29 | ratrace | wikan: it requires knowledge and experience. you can start with the official docs https://gitlab.com/apparmor/apparmor/-/wikis/Documentation |
| 13:18.12 | ratrace | wikan: also look up google on how, in general, mandatory access controls work, what's the difference between AA and SELinux and others, etc... |
| 13:18.23 | wikan | i will try again ratrace |
| 13:18.53 | wikan | i am almost sure it is about "root access" problem |
| 13:18.57 | ratrace | wikan: just one warning about namespaced AA policies, you need _full_ resolved path on the host, not namespace-local, in the AA policies |
| 13:19.12 | wikan | maybe I will find a path to this issue |
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| 13:19.41 | ratrace | wikan: the purpose of MAC is to remove the concept of "user", and thus rendering root (real uid=0) irrelevant |
| 13:21.10 | wikan | well, I think the problem is because my user is not allowed to read apparmor profiles from /usr |
| 13:21.32 | ratrace | wikan: that's not how AA works |
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| 13:21.54 | wikan | but exactly that was an error message ;) |
| 13:21.58 | wikan | "access denied" |
| 13:22.13 | wikan | or something similar but exactly this meaning |
| 13:22.27 | autopsy | 7878i9o-u7iouio |
| 13:22.41 | ratrace | wikan: AA policies are enforced by the kernel module, and managed (activated, deactivated, loaded, saved) by userland which requires root privilege. in case of lxc.apparmor.* settings, it's managed by the lxc daemon, not any in-container user |
| 13:22.47 | autopsy | wlp2s0 enp2U3s02pU4 |
| 13:23.09 | wikan | hmmmm |
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| 13:23.10 | ratrace | wikan: you never pastebinned that access denied error |
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| 13:23.48 | wikan | I didn't know if I should continue masting |
| 13:23.53 | wikan | pasting |
| 13:24.12 | wikan | after you told me autopsy was trolling me |
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| 13:25.04 | ratrace | wikan: well I told you to grep the logs for audit trail, but ideally yes you should pastebin every error you see related to your problem |
| 13:25.32 | wikan | ok, so I didn't notice your massage before |
| 13:26.13 | autopsy | You should cream not paste I've seen enough crumbs in pufddding. |
| 13:26.16 | wikan | need about 3 minutes |
| 13:26.26 | ratrace | wikan: journalctl -b _TRANSPORT=audit | grep -i "apparmor" |
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| 13:29.42 | wikan | ratrace so... |
| 13:29.53 | wikan | ...journalctl says nothing but |
| 13:30.04 | wikan | ...logs says... |
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| 13:31.25 | wikan | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/567eefb0/ |
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| 13:32.46 | ratrace | wikan: seems like a problem with LXC in which case I'm not sure how to help you. I can help you with debugging or setting up an AA policy, but this seems like a failure before a policy is even set. |
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| 13:33.18 | wikan | lol :D |
| 13:33.53 | ratrace | wikan: btw, do you have all the AA bits installed? both apparmor and apparmor-utils packages? |
| 13:33.54 | wikan | imagine now... I can't find any help anyware :D |
| 13:34.28 | wikan | can you explain me what do you mean by "bits"? |
| 13:34.45 | ratrace | wikan: all the parts. it's not just a single package |
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| 13:35.15 | ratrace | wikan: debian buster comes with AA enabled in the kernel by default, but you still need to install the userland |
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| 13:35.46 | wikan | apparmor, easyprof, notify, profiles, profile-extra, utils |
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| 13:36.40 | wikan | maybe I didn't understand something when I was reading and trying to lern |
| 13:36.43 | dvs | yay! |
| 13:37.11 | wikan | but if I didn't so I still don't understand :D |
| 13:37.38 | ratrace | wikan: can you, as a test, try that with a _privileged_ container? |
| 13:37.49 | wikan | it works |
| 13:37.59 | wikan | maybe not this one |
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| 13:38.10 | ratrace | wikan: from what I'm googling up, it appears the policy is attempted to be set after namespacing which means after privilege drop as well, which will then not work. |
| 13:38.15 | wikan | because I don't know how to run lxc containers from my user's home |
| 13:38.27 | wikan | but I have privileged machine and it works with apparmor |
| 13:38.38 | ratrace | wikan: so then that's a defect of LXC |
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| 13:39.49 | wikan | and I am only one who has this defect? |
| 13:40.10 | ratrace | I wouldn't be surprised if you're the only one trying to use LXC with AA :) |
| 13:40.23 | wikan | hahaha - great one ! |
| 13:40.31 | wikan | most ppl use LXD ;) |
| 13:41.14 | ratrace | which is no longer available as a regular package unfortunately. only a snap |
| 13:41.52 | wikan | well, and this is first stop point for me |
| 13:42.23 | wikan | I even don't like pip, composer and another package managers |
| 13:43.04 | wikan | but what to do if you need them sometimes |
| 13:43.17 | zodd_ | wikan, pip --> venv |
| 13:43.49 | zodd_ | i.e. virtualize or containerize them |
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| 13:44.38 | zodd_ | the alternative is imho a fubared OS as multiple package managers produce an insecure mess by default |
| 13:44.59 | wikan | zodd_ I agreee. |
| 13:45.39 | wikan | pip --> venv as I see is not migration friendly because all the time I migrate project I have to pip again |
| 13:45.47 | wikan | so lxc seems to be best solution |
| 13:46.42 | wikan | buf if it is best then we back to the apparmor issue again :D |
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| 13:47.12 | ratrace | wikan: is this about containing python packages/apps? |
| 13:47.55 | wikan | ratrace, what message is your question about? |
| 13:48.03 | ratrace | wikan: this whole issue you have |
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| 13:48.41 | wikan | no it isn't - I just want to start securing my lxc containers |
| 13:48.46 | ratrace | ah, k |
| 13:49.01 | wikan | zodd_ gave lxc as solution for pip ;) |
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| 13:49.42 | wikan | *for pip if you don't like mix dpkg with other pkg managers (this is how I understood this) |
| 13:50.27 | ratrace | wikan: you'd still be mixing apt and pip'd python modules, you'd have the same problem, just chrooted :) |
| 13:50.53 | ratrace | pip must not be used outside of a virtualenv. no containerization will change that |
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| 13:51.29 | wikan | well, thankfuly I don't use python any more :D |
| 13:51.33 | wikan | and nodejs too |
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| 13:52.48 | wikan | let me finish this topic by "I don't use LXD because it is not in debian repo." |
| 13:53.24 | wikan | but if it would or will I probably will not use it still because I don't like DIY ;) |
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| 13:54.39 | wikan | in the result - most ppl have working and probably secured containers, and... I don't |
| 13:54.42 | wikan | lol |
| 13:55.34 | wikan | ok, thanks ratrace. Thanks for your time. |
| 13:55.43 | ratrace | wikan: probably not. generic AA or SELinux profiles only protect leakage into the host (though not absolutely). you can still cause a mess inside the container |
| 13:56.16 | ratrace | to really make it really secure (to the extent permissible by lack of vulns in the LSM part) you need specific policies for specific container. no general or autogenerated one will ever do that. |
| 13:56.34 | wikan | yeap |
| 13:56.40 | wikan | I would love to learn this |
| 13:56.54 | wikan | but I stucked at first step - launching :D |
| 13:57.30 | karlpinc` | wikan: venvs are designed to be reconstructed at need. They are kind of llike python's on containers. If you need to change them throw away the old one. |
| 13:57.42 | karlpinc` | /on/own/ |
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| 13:59.03 | wikan | karlpinc`: i am not python developer. I used vend for flask, and always I had have to pip pkds again after I copied my app to the lxc |
| 13:59.17 | wikan | i don't know why - maybe I was doing something wrong |
| 14:00.12 | karlpinc | wikan: I don't know what vend or pkds are. But last I paid attention you can't move venvs within a fs, and probably can't copy them around from system to system either. |
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| 14:00.52 | wikan | well my virtual env never worked after coping directory to the lxc |
| 14:01.04 | wikan | even as an update |
| 14:01.14 | wikan | but it is not important and not a problem |
| 14:01.26 | ratrace | wikan: virtualenvs "bake in" paths so you can't just move them elsewhere and expect everything to work, but you can easily rebuild it elsewhere, as karlpinc suggested, they're meant for that |
| 14:01.39 | karlpinc | wikan: Sounds plausable. I'd guess you've have to create them in the lxc container. (I'm not following along with your real problem.) |
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| 14:02.09 | wikan | ratrace that as I thought :D |
| 14:02.26 | wikan | anyway sorry and thanks ;) |
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| 14:05.37 | wikan | ratrace can you suggest me where should I write about my lxc issue |
| 14:05.39 | wikan | ? |
| 14:06.36 | wikan | maybe it is cross problem - LXC guys would tell me it is debian issue and debian gus it is lxc :D |
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| 14:07.16 | ratrace | wikan: probably here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc that's the upstream |
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| 14:08.26 | wikan | ok thanks |
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| 14:10.30 | karlpinc | wikan: You might try the readme.debian also. |
| 14:10.33 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 14:10.33 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 14:10.53 | karlpinc | (Can't see there being much of anything in there though for lxc....) |
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| 14:12.15 | wikan | another question if I can |
| 14:12.59 | wikan | what is the best way to install VirtualBox? |
| 14:13.26 | wikan | there is no VirtualBox in dpkg |
| 14:13.49 | wikan | from source - probably not fast and easy |
| 14:13.53 | anisa | they have a repository you can add |
| 14:14.02 | wikan | yeap, but only 64bit |
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| 14:15.40 | wikan | what ever, never mind |
| 14:18.08 | tinga | How can I debug networking issues (which are local to the host)? I've got tap0 set to 192.168.66.1 and dnsmasq serving it, a qemu VM using it and requesting DHCP which it gets, I can log into the VM via ssh, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on the host is 1, I've got an iptables rule in *nat that says: |
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| 14:18.27 | tinga | -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.66.0/24 ! -d 192.168.66.0/24 -j MASQUERADE, but when I "ping 151.101.114.133" from within the VM it goes nowhere; |
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| 14:18.47 | tinga | I can tcpdump tap0 and see the pings going out, but when I tcpdump the wifi interface on the host, I can't see them. |
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| 14:19.17 | wikan | maybe wireshark? |
| 14:20.11 | wikan | wireshark will help you "debug" all traffic |
| 14:20.25 | tinga | Trying wireshark-qt |
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| 14:21.40 | wikan | ohhh, so you can't ping from vm |
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| 14:22.10 | tinga | Yes, somehow the packets are sent out of the VM, I can see them arriving on tap0, but then they vanish. |
| 14:22.58 | wikan | damn I can only say something just from my memory |
| 14:23.07 | tinga | I can ping 192.168.66.1 just fine from within the VM. |
| 14:23.08 | wikan | maybe it would not be much helpfull |
| 14:23.50 | tinga | Do I need to connect up a tap device to the world somehow? |
| 14:23.50 | wikan | can you tell me your boths ips? |
| 14:24.13 | tinga | 192.168.66.70 = ip the VM got; 192.168.66.1 = ip on tap0 on the host |
| 14:24.29 | wikan | what ip do you want to ping from vm? |
| 14:25.02 | tinga | I can ping 192.168.66.1 from within the VM fine, I can ping 192.168.66.70 from the host fine. |
| 14:25.16 | tinga | What I want is reach the outside world, via the wifi interface on the host, |
| 14:25.25 | wikan | ok |
| 14:25.31 | tinga | which has 192.168.0.23 plus ipv6 |
| 14:25.45 | wikan | so it is a little compilated |
| 14:26.04 | wikan | as I understand this problem you need a bridge |
| 14:26.13 | tinga | But when I ping 151.101.114.133 (one of the debian package servers), nothing. Ah, bridge. |
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| 14:26.37 | wikan | and your WIFI must be a "slave" of this bridge too |
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| 14:26.49 | wikan | wait let me think about this... |
| 14:27.21 | wikan | 1. bridge X need to receive your WIFI ip |
| 14:27.26 | tinga | ((I'd be happy with double NAT for now though.)) |
| 14:27.33 | wikan | 2. WIFI device must be connected to the bridge |
| 14:28.09 | wikan | hmmm no I am wrong... |
| 14:28.52 | tinga | digging in old notes, got this to work years ago |
| 14:29.03 | wikan | ok, so |
| 14:29.30 | wikan | maybe this way - let WIFI be part of the bridge "family" |
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| 14:30.12 | wikan | sorry I can't find solution ad-hoc :( |
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| 14:31.13 | tinga | I still don't understand how the network devices are "connecting up" to some local "backplane" or something. |
| 14:31.32 | wikan | so let me tell you one thing |
| 14:31.43 | tinga | I was expecting that packets from tap0 would automatically be routed the same way some other interface's packets would be. |
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| 14:32.59 | wikan | ok... maybe... |
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| 14:33.19 | wikan | let me ask question |
| 14:33.23 | tinga | sure |
| 14:33.26 | wikan | do you know how bridges works? |
| 14:33.57 | tinga | Very fuzzily. I know a bridge is connecting 2 networks on the layer below IP. |
| 14:34.05 | tinga | I've used them in the past. But not much. |
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| 14:34.16 | wikan | yes but ther is common mistake |
| 14:34.19 | tinga | I've used them on wifi routers mostly, to connect up 2 networks. |
| 14:34.48 | wikan | bridge replaces real outgoing device by receiving IP for itself |
| 14:35.18 | wikan | so, if you use for example eth0 then bridge takes eth0 job |
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| 14:35.42 | wikan | so in this example bridge receives IP from network and eth0 is only connected to the bridge |
| 14:36.15 | tinga | I think (maybe wrongly) both are "receiving" it (i.e. you could pick up packets from either device on the bridge). |
| 14:36.26 | wikan | yes |
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| 14:36.33 | wikan | but you don't setup eth0 |
| 14:36.41 | wikan | you setup br0 |
| 14:36.52 | wikan | ok - this is not your case ;) |
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| 14:37.04 | wikan | but if you know it, we need to ask one question |
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| 14:37.10 | tinga | Hmm, yeah, well I think you do/can set up eth0 still first, but yeah that's fuzzy past for me. |
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| 14:37.35 | wikan | after you create LXC it works fine and it has access to network |
| 14:37.42 | tinga | (What I know is that bridging is somewhat expensive, and I don't *think* I used bridging for VMs in the past. ) |
| 14:38.07 | wikan | so the question is - why did you change this setup? |
| 14:38.17 | wikan | the reason is a key probably |
| 14:38.36 | tinga | I just didn't need VMs for years and might have forgotten some detail. |
| 14:38.47 | tinga | Or it might just be unrelated. Dunno. |
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| 14:38.58 | wikan | wait wait |
| 14:39.00 | tinga | I just wish I could see some info from the kernel about where the packets are dropped and why.. |
| 14:39.06 | wikan | sorry, we speak about VM or LXC? |
| 14:39.15 | tinga | qemu-kvm |
| 14:39.19 | wikan | ok thnaks |
| 14:39.40 | wikan | but still I don't understand what happend |
| 14:39.50 | wikan | it is old VM or what? |
| 14:40.03 | tinga | Newly installed Debian system in the VM. |
| 14:40.05 | wikan | it stopped to work? |
| 14:40.08 | wikan | ok |
| 14:40.16 | tinga | Haven't used Qemu on this laptop before. |
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| 14:41.04 | wikan | I don't use qemu :| |
| 14:41.18 | wikan | I even don't know why you trying to use a bridge |
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| 14:41.57 | wikan | because it is looks like you try |
| 14:42.09 | wikan | or you try to forward packages |
| 14:42.10 | tinga | Well I don't use one, I just use tun/tap as this is what Qemu uses to provide networking in a way so that I can log into the VM from the host. |
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| 14:42.53 | tinga | (Qemu also has some "virt" networking or so which is magic and slow, but works out of the box without setting up tun/tap, but doesn't allow me to log into the vm.) |
| 14:43.09 | wikan | ok |
| 14:43.10 | tinga | (I installed the VM via this networking, now I've changed it over to tun/tap.) |
| 14:43.19 | wikan | i got it |
| 14:43.53 | wikan | gimme mi 3 minutes I'll go for coffee ;) |
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| 14:44.00 | tinga | Really what I am after long term, since I'm running into some networking issue like twice a year and losing hours each time, is, how the * do I debug (inspect) something like this. |
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| 14:45.05 | wikan | it is possible to choose network device for qemu? |
| 14:45.23 | tinga | Yes, you tell qemu which tap device to use. |
| 14:45.29 | wikan | great |
| 14:45.33 | wikan | so |
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| 14:45.38 | wikan | do this |
| 14:45.46 | tinga | i.e. you say "tunctl -u qemuuser" as root, which gives you say tap0, then you start qemu with that |
| 14:45.48 | wikan | create bridge and connect it to the network |
| 14:46.14 | wikan | set phisical network device as a slave of the bridge |
| 14:46.21 | wikan | set the same for tap |
| 14:47.04 | wikan | as a result you get ability to make connection between host and quest, and for connection from quest to internet |
| 14:48.00 | tinga | Alright, let me install the bridge util stuff. |
| 14:48.04 | wikan | but |
| 14:48.20 | wikan | if you use wifi via automated tools like NetworkManager then you are fucked :) |
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| 14:48.44 | tinga | I do. |
| 14:48.49 | wikan | i mean - you need to switch to manual connection |
| 14:48.58 | wikan | damn |
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| 14:49.56 | tinga | Let me turn off ipv6 and restart everything. |
| 14:50.39 | wikan | i have never used a tap device :| |
| 14:52.27 | wikan | can you do "ip r" from host? |
| 14:52.59 | wikan | only and last think I can suggest is to try setup routing |
| 14:53.36 | wikan | but the best way is to ask ppl in ##networking ? |
| 14:54.02 | wikan | they would know the best solution for you |
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| 14:55.48 | wikan | Somehow Virtualbox and LXC make bridges for local network with access to the internet. The question is how can you do it manually. |
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| 14:56.23 | wikan | because my solution is for sure not for you :) |
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| 14:57.30 | tinga | Thanks, I'll check on ##networking (I've asked in #qemu in the mean time and am told that I don't need a bridge if I don't want to bridge it). |
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| 14:58.54 | forsal | hi For second ssd drive for data. Which file system would be better exFAT or ext4 |
| 14:59.01 | wikan | well you don't (as I understand) only if qemu do a brisge for you |
| 14:59.02 | forsal | I think exFAT because is compatible witch other operating system. Any advantage of ext4 in that case ? |
| 14:59.24 | joepublic | ext4 has permissions; fat doesn't |
| 14:59.26 | wikan | but I may be wrong because I really don't use qemu - it's not work for me very well ;) |
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| 15:00.53 | forsal | @joepublic so better choice is exFAT ? |
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| 15:01.13 | oiaohm | forsal: exFat has reduced data recovery features. |
| 15:01.16 | wwilliam | where is the updatedb.conf in debian 10? |
| 15:01.20 | tinga_ | Turned off ipv6 now, retrying everything. |
| 15:01.24 | joepublic | what's more important, sharing the drive among operating systems, or using a full-featured filesystem? |
| 15:02.16 | wikan | I think it is depend on what data you want to store |
| 15:02.29 | forsal | th1 data 2 system speedt 3 maybe it will be good to share with other systems |
| 15:02.30 | wikan | if it is multimedia - use exFAT because you want to share |
| 15:02.33 | oiaohm | forsal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT Its one of the things about ExFAT it goes back to a single file allocation table and it has no form of journal. |
| 15:02.52 | forsal | it will be for virtualbox data |
| 15:03.02 | wikan | i personaly use only USB stick to share files between linux and windows |
| 15:03.05 | oiaohm | forsal: it does come a question of is it important to share with other operating systems or not. |
| 15:03.17 | oiaohm | and how important is your data on there. |
| 15:03.25 | joepublic | use ext4 unless there is some pressing reason not to. |
| 15:03.55 | forsal | it will be use for Virtualbox system |
| 15:04.15 | forsal | systems /data storing ssd |
| 15:04.16 | oiaohm | forsal: stupid as it sound with smaller media needing under 4G files fat32 can be a better choice than exfat for data secrutiy. |
| 15:04.53 | joepublic | My virtual machines are on an ext4 filesystem. |
| 15:05.08 | wikan | forsal: do you want to run VM from linux and windows? Or only to store your files but run only on single OS type? |
| 15:05.09 | forsal | vdi files has 30-40 GB and from there will strart vitual systems |
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| 15:05.42 | forsal | just to use it in linux |
| 15:06.39 | wikan | so my answer is not to use exFAT |
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| 15:07.08 | oiaohm | forsal: if it for Linux alone you would be choosing xfs or ext4 or f2fs in most cases. exfat also not going to perform the best under Linux either. |
| 15:07.09 | forsal | liitle a bit worry about data recovery ander linux, if there will be some need |
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| 15:07.24 | forsal | becose it's my first steps in linux |
| 15:07.46 | oiaohm | forsal: exfat if it screws a key sector for some reason there are no backup copies. |
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| 15:08.01 | oiaohm | xfs, ext4 and f2fs do keep more than 1 copy of key stuff. |
| 15:08.06 | joepublic | the short answer is, use ext4 |
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| 15:09.32 | forsal | ok thanks for help |
| 15:09.41 | forsal | have nice day |
| 15:09.44 | wikan | forsal: if it is your first step, I think you don't have very important data |
| 15:09.47 | joepublic | peace. |
| 15:10.12 | oiaohm | forsal: also remember exfat having a Linux kernel mode driver is new and it still in the staging area because the driver alone can screw you over still. |
| 15:10.46 | oiaohm | forsal: or you are stuck to the fuse exfat driver that is as slow as hell that would see your virtual machines be basically not useable. |
| 15:10.53 | forsal | rhanks again I will use ext4 |
| 15:11.10 | Ooze | Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong w/ my systemd .service file? Looks like it's getting '1' instead of '::1' and failing to resolve |
| 15:11.13 | Ooze | https://paste.incorrigible.me/imimimoqez.sql |
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| 15:14.46 | pultrusfustulux | Bonjour |
| 15:15.59 | f8e3 | which keyserver do you use? hkps://keys.openpgp.org or pgp.mit.edu ? |
| 15:16.05 | neox | pultrusfustulux: bonjour ! |
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| 15:22.29 | becks` | hi, would I see a kernel panic when logged in as root? |
| 15:22.47 | becks` | or would I just disconnect without knowing what's going on |
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| 15:23.28 | nkuttler | becks`: don't you have physical access? |
| 15:23.50 | becks` | nkuttler no :) |
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| 15:24.21 | wikan | if you don't have psysical access to cant see kernel panic |
| 15:24.29 | becks` | okay, thanks! |
| 15:24.43 | nkuttler | how do you even know it's a kernel panic? |
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| 15:25.15 | wikan | but you can look into log files after reboot and see prevous kernel panic there |
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| 15:26.16 | becks` | thanks, I think I found what I was looking for =) |
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| 15:52.48 | joepublic | "It goes to eleven" |
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| 16:07.18 | PsychoTron | how do I get festival to speak with finnish female voice? |
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| 16:08.21 | banshi | festival doesn't speak finnish, does it? |
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| 16:12.43 | jelly | PsychoTron: does "apt-cache search festival finnish" show any packages you might want to install? |
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| 16:13.29 | PsychoTron | found the packages |
| 16:13.44 | PsychoTron | configuring them is the problem |
| 16:14.15 | PsychoTron | tried to setup /etc/festival.scm |
| 16:14.34 | PsychoTron | only works inside festival |
| 16:14.56 | PsychoTron | using talk script does man voice |
| 16:15.22 | PsychoTron | "./talk olen tietokone" |
| 16:17.52 | jelly | where does this script come from? |
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| 16:40.16 | mutantturkey | is there a way to describe what source a package is coming from |
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| 16:45.04 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: describe? Look at packages.debian.org for on-line package lookup. It will show you the source package. |
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| 16:47.06 | Wulf | mutantturkey: apt show <pkg> | grep ^Source |
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| 16:52.47 | mutantturkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.52 | mutantturkey | karlpinc: this is for er, custom packages etc |
| 16:54.02 | mutantturkey | i do use that resource a lot, thank you |
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| 17:14.16 | mutantturkey | I am running: dh-make-perl --cpan IO::Compress, but for whatever reason it's building IO::Compress:Brotli |
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| 17:15.58 | plshalpdebian | Hello, I'm a new Debian user and I have troubles with partition permissions on user level. I have external disk mounted correctly (user can read it). Unfortunately I cannot write in that partition (I can only as a root). |
| 17:16.15 | plshalpdebian | In fstab this partition has "defaults" options. |
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| 17:17.05 | mutantturkey | plshalpdebian: that doesn't effect perms of a mounted drive |
| 17:17.30 | plshalpdebian | I tried defaults,user but it didn't help. |
| 17:18.11 | plshalpdebian | mutantturkey: you mean I need to remount it to see actual effects? I tried that too. |
| 17:18.16 | mutantturkey | huh |
| 17:19.05 | mutantturkey | user allows a user to mount it |
| 17:19.19 | plshalpdebian | According to fstab man pages "defaults" are actually enabling rw but also nouser. However user/nouser is for mounting only, not the actual permission to the partition after mounting, correct? |
| 17:19.21 | mutantturkey | it does not give reed/write permissions. that's controlled at the regular fs part. |
| 17:19.29 | plshalpdebian | yay, reading my mind |
| 17:19.33 | mutantturkey | plshalpdebian: rw means "can someone with permissions read write" |
| 17:19.55 | mutantturkey | use chmod to adjust permissions |
| 17:20.20 | plshalpdebian | Can I do it somehow in fstab to make sure it will be done automatically on startup? |
| 17:20.44 | mutantturkey | what kind of file system is it btw? |
| 17:20.51 | plshalpdebian | ext4 |
| 17:21.03 | mutantturkey | great, just adjust the permissions. it will remain permanently |
| 17:21.31 | plshalpdebian | I have my root on SSD and want to keep rest of the stuff on HDD. This is the partition which I cannot write as a user. |
| 17:21.48 | mutantturkey | man chmown |
| 17:21.51 | mutantturkey | chown |
| 17:21.53 | plshalpdebian | btw. is there any "recommended" place where I should mount such partition? |
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| 17:22.28 | plshalpdebian | /mnt/stuff? /stuff? /home/<user>/stuff? |
| 17:22.59 | mutantturkey | check out the FHS standard |
| 17:23.06 | mutantturkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.37 | jelly | what kind of "stuff"? |
| 17:24.06 | jelly | that you cannot write to? |
| 17:24.27 | mutantturkey | jelly: they havent adjusted the permissions on the fs at all |
| 17:24.31 | mutantturkey | so only root can write |
| 17:25.22 | jelly | oh, that's normal unix permissions and ownerships |
| 17:25.26 | plshalpdebian | jelly: this case is really simple and probably pretty common too, I have small SSD for system and HDD for everything else, I wonder where this HDD should be mounted because it isn't really a "removable media" |
| 17:25.48 | jelly | plshalpdebian: what do you mean by "everything else", why not put the whole /home there, then? |
| 17:25.50 | plshalpdebian | yeah, mutantturkey helped me a lot with chown so this issue should be fixed soon |
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| 17:26.05 | plshalpdebian | jelly: probably I should put my whole /home there |
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| 17:26.20 | jelly | that seems reasonable |
| 17:26.30 | plshalpdebian | I wish I knew that before I installed the system today :) |
| 17:26.38 | mutantturkey | how is this drive connected btw? |
| 17:26.42 | plshalpdebian | sata3 |
| 17:26.49 | Desertstorm11 | ? |
| 17:26.58 | mutantturkey | ok just wondering |
| 17:27.12 | jelly | plshalpdebian: not hard to do after the fact |
| 17:27.24 | mutantturkey | plshalpdebian: just add it as a mount point |
| 17:27.38 | mutantturkey | on that FS make a folder for yourself (same as your username) that you have perms for |
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| 17:28.01 | mutantturkey | copy your current /home/yourusername to youusername then change the mount point to /home/ instead /media/ or whatever you had |
| 17:28.21 | plshalpdebian | okay, let me try do this now - thanks a lot |
| 17:28.32 | jelly | you boot a live cd or go to single-user or recovery mode, format and mount the filesystem temporarily somewhere (eg /mnt), copy or move all the contents of /home to the new fs, umount it, set up fstab |
| 17:28.41 | mutantturkey | ... you dont even need to do that |
| 17:28.54 | jelly | depends on how many files are in use. |
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| 17:29.10 | mutantturkey | ah good point |
| 17:29.14 | jelly | in general it might not be 100% safe to copy your $HOME while you're logged in |
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| 17:30.25 | plshalpdebian | what about usermod -d /newhome/username username |
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| 17:32.02 | plshalpdebian | or even better "usermod -d -m /newhome/username username" |
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| 17:32.13 | plshalpdebian | should change username's home dir + move it |
| 17:32.35 | jelly | plshalpdebian: if you make a new /home fs and mount it in the same place the directory path will remain the same |
| 17:33.12 | jelly | so, no need to change user's home dir |
| 17:33.24 | Npv | hand sanitizer makes for a good screencleaner |
| 17:33.48 | plshalpdebian | I though it will be "safer" to do with this command that trying to change that behind the scenes |
| 17:33.51 | jelly | eyes Npv |
| 17:34.56 | Npv | jelly have you tryed it? |
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| 17:35.01 | jhutchins_wk | user accessible ntfs |
| 17:35.12 | jhutchins_wk | ! user accessible ntfs |
| 17:35.12 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 17:36.46 | Npv | they should make them colorless thou |
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| 17:37.37 | jelly | Npv: not the right channel for non-debian chat, this |
| 17:38.32 | Npv | all take it to biz |
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| 17:40.21 | jelly | aight. ##chat or #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:56.55 | dob1 | temp1: -263.2°C well I am near absolute zero |
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| 18:11.41 | karlpinc | !anyone |
| 18:11.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:21.14 | plshalpdebian | jelly: mutantturkey: it worked, thanks once again for help |
| 18:21.27 | plshalpdebian | have a great day/night everyone |
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| 18:52.47 | Non-ICE | why does debian never work like in the guides? |
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| 18:53.37 | Non-ICE | all the guides i read are like do this: "sudo bla blah blah...." |
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| 18:54.02 | Non-ICE | i have installed debian several times and it never even knows what sudo is |
| 18:55.28 | Non-ICE | or my only user is never in the sudoers file |
| 18:55.34 | Non-ICE | wherever that is |
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| 18:56.19 | Non-ICE | so whatever.. i su root and carry on |
| 18:56.26 | Non-ICE | next task: |
| 18:56.28 | annadane | Non-ICE, sudo isn't installed by default |
| 18:56.34 | annadane | feel free to install it |
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| 18:58.09 | Non-ICE | why does not one guide thats debian specific take this into account? |
| 18:58.35 | annadane | *shrug* |
| 18:58.42 | annadane | sudo is often just another way of saying "you need to be root" |
| 18:58.46 | Ede|Popede | install guide? topic: creating a user account or not. |
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| 18:59.53 | annadane | but it's like anything, if i tell you to... what's a good example, but like, if grep wasn't installed by default (which it is, but just saying) and i told you to grep something and you said "it complains about command not found" then the answer is "install grep" |
| 19:00.03 | annadane | but i consider sudo a shorthand for "hey, you need to be root" |
| 19:00.10 | annadane | in whatever form you become root |
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| 19:00.54 | Non-ICE | well, yes, so i kinda figures out what sudo does and just su instead |
| 19:00.59 | Non-ICE | fugured* |
| 19:01.01 | Non-ICE | ffs |
| 19:01.04 | Non-ICE | figured* |
| 19:01.05 | Ede|Popede | took me time to adapt sudo, was used to su for years. iirc it was in knoppix i've seen it first. |
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| 19:01.16 | Non-ICE | anyway.. |
| 19:02.05 | Non-ICE | then this guide tells me to add-apt-repository multivers and it just fails with the most insane amount of flying colors and unicorns |
| 19:02.08 | Ede|Popede | Non-ICE: you could also install all manpages and then shoot with man into the blue skies. sudo, sudoers. |
| 19:02.21 | ayekat | Non-ICE: that's probably an ubuntu guide, then |
| 19:02.29 | Ede|Popede | or check one of the websites with manpages |
| 19:03.05 | Non-ICE | so what would be debians answer to add-apt-repository? |
| 19:03.33 | Ede|Popede | !sources.list |
| 19:03.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:05.07 | Non-ICE | this is hwat im trying to follow and it is not consistent for one bit: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD |
| 19:05.59 | Ede|Popede | ,file bin/add-apt-repository |
| 19:06.05 | judd | Search for bin/add-apt-repository in buster/amd64: software-properties-common: usr/bin/add-apt-repository |
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| 19:07.16 | Ede|Popede | seems to be some python frontend to the package system |
| 19:07.34 | Non-ICE | . /usr/bin is in my "$PATH" |
| 19:08.05 | Ede|Popede | and i'm pretty sure i've never seen anyone mentioning it here |
| 19:08.17 | Ede|Popede | Non-ICE: then... maybe it is simply not installed? |
| 19:08.55 | Ede|Popede | it's marked as admin/optional |
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| 19:09.59 | Non-ICE | check out flood |
| 19:10.05 | Ede|Popede | ? |
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| 19:10.21 | Non-ICE | "flood |
| 19:10.24 | Non-ICE | err# |
| 19:11.17 | Non-ICE | #flood |
| 19:11.39 | Non-ICE | the channel |
| 19:12.14 | Non-ICE | [19:52:29] -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. |
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| 19:13.55 | Non-ICE | Ede|Popede: join the #flood channel |
| 19:13.59 | Non-ICE | i have something to paste |
| 19:14.00 | Ede|Popede | ah. totally forgot about it. and also never been there |
| 19:14.01 | Ede|Popede | !paste |
| 19:14.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:14.04 | Ede|Popede | betterer |
| 19:14.29 | Ede|Popede | it's still irc, lines are split, etc. and if 2 users paste at the same time, what then? |
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| 19:14.56 | Ede|Popede | other nice pastes are 0x0.st and termbin.com btw. |
| 19:14.58 | Non-ICE | http://paste.debian.net/1133802/ |
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| 19:15.51 | annadane | you're trying to install ubuntu specific things |
| 19:16.06 | annadane | i'd have to look at the scrollback more carefully |
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| 19:16.29 | Non-ICE | so valves guid is useless for debian even if it states all these commands are for both ubuntu and debian? |
| 19:16.34 | Non-ICE | guide* |
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| 19:16.43 | annadane | don't know |
| 19:16.53 | Non-ICE | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD |
| 19:17.09 | Non-ICE | and people still wonder why i'm on windows? |
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| 19:19.33 | Ede|Popede | <judd> Search for bin/add-apt-repository in buster/amd64: software-properties-common: usr/bin/add-apt-repository <-- format is: <package> <:> <file>, so it's software-properties-common |
| 19:19.41 | Ede|Popede | ,v software-properties-common |
| 19:19.42 | judd | Package: software-properties-common on amd64 -- jessie: 0.92.25debian1; stretch: 0.96.20.2-1; buster: 0.96.20.2-2; bullseye: 0.96.20.2-2.1; sid: 0.96.20.2-2.1 |
| 19:19.44 | jhutchins_wk | !steam |
| 19:19.44 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 19:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | Non-ICE: There is no universe repository in Debian, that is a ubuntu thing. |
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| 19:20.36 | Non-ICE | ok i mchanging channels |
| 19:20.45 | Ede|Popede | Non-ICE: indeed. i don't miss much in debian, but i sleep better knowing that i don't need snakeoil |
| 19:21.01 | Ede|Popede | which regularly becomes a problem of its own |
| 19:21.53 | annadane | sudo apt-get install snakeoil |
| 19:22.13 | annadane | debian = bliss |
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| 19:22.21 | annadane | though i'm waiting on a wine backport |
| 19:22.28 | Ede|Popede | Non-ICE: not the first time i see this. ubuntu has debian roots and uses .deb and debian tools, so they seem to think it's the same |
| 19:22.42 | Non-ICE | i see |
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| 19:23.40 | Ede|Popede | not wondering users do this, especially if they're new. but it is ashaming for such projects, just shows how poor they are. |
| 19:24.40 | jhutchins_wk | The fact that it's still 32b is pretty telling too. |
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| 19:25.09 | Ede|Popede | wasn't skype also 32bit? i stopped using it when they switched to electron. |
| 19:25.44 | Non-ICE | okay |
| 19:25.51 | Ede|Popede | and the "community" at the top of the page also irritates me. seems it's not even valve itself working on it, but their users. |
| 19:25.58 | Non-ICE | that pretty much does it, i thought valve was more into linux than that... |
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| 19:26.12 | Ede|Popede | it's about games after all |
| 19:26.13 | Non-ICE | this server is going on an unregistered win 10 |
| 19:26.38 | Non-ICE | don't care if it crashes anyway |
| 19:27.02 | Non-ICE | oh, its some random users posting? |
| 19:27.24 | Non-ICE | mmm should have noticed |
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| 19:28.01 | Non-ICE | good thing its just a VM anyway, i just delete it and dedicate the 9GB of ram to a new machine :P |
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| 19:31.39 | incal | who can I normalize the audio in mp4 video files? bot WRT not having to lower the volume when there's a firefight and raise it when they start talking again, _and_ WRT playing several files, e.g. music videos, and having them have basically the same volume? if need be, I could set volume modifications to each file, manually if I knew how to do it. this wouldn't work for firefight/talk movies tho. or can it be done automatically, on |
| 19:31.39 | incal | fly? I use mpv. TIA |
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| 19:33.18 | joepublic | what you want is called dynamic range reduction ("dynamic companding") + volume normalization |
| 19:34.39 | incal | OK, thanks! ... ehem, you know where to find it/how to do it as well? :) |
| 19:35.18 | joepublic | audacity will pull the audio out and do the work, as for putting the audio back in, I suppose handbrake would do that though the "how" might be less than obvious |
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| 19:36.46 | incal | OK, great, thanks |
| 19:37.40 | incal | I suppose if one makes it work once one can automate it |
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| 19:38.17 | incal | just strange no one did... well, I'm sure someone did |
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| 19:39.02 | joepublic | perhaps exploring those terms in your favorite search engine would encounter a nice way to do it, I don't know |
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| 19:39.27 | incal | ofc googled this already :) |
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| 19:40.37 | incal | well not with your expert terminology now that I think about it |
| 19:46.00 | incal | ffmpeg-normalize *.m4a -of /path/to/outputFolder -ext wav |
| 19:47.16 | joepublic | The dynamic companding is what makes the speech and the explosions closer in volume. |
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| 19:47.40 | incal | right |
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| 19:48.17 | incal | ffmpeg -i in.mp3 -filter_complex "compand=attacks=0:points=-30/-900|-20/-20|0/0|20/20" out.wav |
| 19:48.28 | incal | https://medium.com/@jud.dagnall/dynamic-range-compression-for-audio-with-ffmpeg-and-compand-621fe2b1a892 |
| 19:48.37 | joepublic | nice |
| 19:48.38 | incal | https://superuser.com/questions/323119/how-can-i-normalize-audio-using-ffmpeg |
| 19:48.47 | incal | yeah? does it make sense? |
| 19:49.17 | joepublic | makes sense to me. |
| 19:49.27 | incal | great I'll try it BBL |
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| 19:52.42 | Non-ICE | i killed it |
| 19:52.43 | Non-ICE | https://pastebin.com/kyCad8ar |
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| 19:55.43 | ayekat | oh dear... the further down I scroll in that paste, the more worried I become |
| 19:56.08 | Non-ICE | short story: it kept whining about missing libc6:i386 |
| 19:56.27 | Non-ICE | so i apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 19:56.34 | annadane | runs away screaming |
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| 19:56.49 | Non-ICE | thats when i knew... i fucked up |
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| 19:59.08 | ayekat | you tried all sorts of random things while following a guide written for another distro, without understanding what you are really doing there |
| 19:59.29 | Non-ICE | well, the warning about no working kerlne kind of gave it away... |
| 19:59.32 | ayekat | the moment you started wondering why sbin wasn't in your path, and you subsequently started editing bashrc, I've given up all hope |
| 20:00.03 | Non-ICE | but i didn't care at that point cause i know how fucked it already was |
| 20:00.44 | ayekat | ... and your reaction in that situation is to keep pushing the system further into misery? O_o |
| 20:02.22 | ratrace | some people just want to watch *nix burn :) |
| 20:02.31 | Non-ICE | use linux they said, it's so logical they said... i've heard that for the past 25 years |
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| 20:02.45 | Non-ICE | i still havent figured out how that logic works out |
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| 20:03.11 | ayekat | ... meh, I'm in a grumpy mood, so I won't say more |
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| 20:03.32 | Non-ICE | don't worry |
| 20:03.41 | Non-ICE | it's just a guest on my proxmox |
| 20:03.50 | joepublic | linux is not logical. If you want that from it, run screaming. |
| 20:03.54 | Non-ICE | no circuits were harmed |
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| 20:04.57 | joepublic | it's useful, helpful, feature-rich. But logic plays a minor role, it seems |
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| 20:06.38 | Ede|Popede | it *is* logical. in big parts at least. only the *why* something works the way it does is not always obvious. |
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| 20:11.33 | jhutchins_wk | I find it very logical. Most of the time. What those NTP cliets were doing over the weekend not so much. |
| 20:11.47 | Non-ICE | i use it for basic services |
| 20:12.38 | Ede|Popede | i use it as my daily desktop |
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| 20:12.58 | jhutchins_wk | I have for almost 25 years. |
| 20:13.21 | Non-ICE | if i wasn't a game i probably could do that too |
| 20:13.24 | Non-ICE | gamer* |
| 20:13.24 | jhutchins_wk | Mm, no, I guess 14 |
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| 20:13.38 | jhutchins_wk | mis-counted a decade. |
| 20:14.21 | Ede|Popede | with my hardware i don't even risk becoming a gamer ;) |
| 20:15.00 | annadane | the alcohol will do that, jhutchins |
| 20:15.27 | Non-ICE | my motherboard is 11 years old |
| 20:15.34 | Ede|Popede | blames the LHC for time related inconsistencies |
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| 20:32.48 | DammitJim | you guys are going to think I'm crazy, but I finally got my router to mount an external hard drive and now I don't know what to use that hard drive for |
| 20:33.17 | DammitJim | do you guys have any examples of stuff you guys use where you use a hard drive? |
| 20:33.18 | DammitJim | blah |
| 20:33.29 | Non-ICE | porn? |
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| 20:35.49 | Non-ICE | how much ram in your router? |
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| 20:39.25 | jhutchins_wk | My desktops all have a share from my server mounted as Documents, one mounted as Pictures, etc. Everything gets saved to the server, not locally. (Once in a while I clean out the Downloads folder which is local. |
| 20:39.45 | jhutchins_wk | I could easily run the desktops on 40G drives if I could get them. |
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| 20:44.39 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: If nothing else use it for nightly backups. |
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| 20:57.58 | somiaj | DammitJim: one basic idea I like is, consider any data that is not backed up on three different mediums lost. Some also like off-site (to deal with fire possiblity) |
| 20:58.05 | soft_cement | Hi. I want apt to store packages on a different disk than the root filesystem is on. I'm guessing I could just symlink the directory apt usually uses to a directory on the other disk I want to store packages on. a quick Google search is telling me that apt stores packages in /var/cache/apt/archives. Would apt-cacher-ng also store its packages in the same direcory? |
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| 20:58.11 | somiaj | so yes, if you have extra space, make regular backups |
| 20:58.35 | somiaj | soft_cement: clarify your use case, apt now days deletes packages after they are installed by default. |
| 20:58.46 | soft_cement | Basically I am trying to set up an apt cache proxy server with the actual cached packages on a separate partition to store the packages on. |
| 20:58.59 | soft_cement | using apt-cache-ng |
| 20:59.18 | somiaj | ahh, yea, you could use a symlink. Does apt-cacher-ng let you specificy the directory it stroes packages? |
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| 20:59.46 | somiaj | I keep menaing on setting up apt-cacher-ng, but haven't, so I don't know where it stores its packages |
| 20:59.48 | soft_cement | I don't think it does, at least I didn't see anything in its man page :/ |
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| 21:00.23 | DammitJim | Non-ICE, I should have prefaced my question with NO pr0n!!! |
| 21:00.30 | DammitJim | RAM? what is ram? |
| 21:00.46 | DammitJim | 512MB LOL |
| 21:00.51 | DammitJim | openwrt |
| 21:01.00 | DammitJim | and yes, backups crossed my mind but I already have a server for that |
| 21:01.06 | somiaj | no one will ever need more than 640k ram, is all I know about ram. |
| 21:01.59 | somiaj | soft_cement: maybe check the apt-cacher-ng config file, sometimes not all options are listed in the man page |
| 21:02.01 | soft_cement | I guess my question boils down to this: where does apt-cacher-ng store cached package files? what's the easiest way to change that location - with a synlink? |
| 21:02.02 | DammitJim | it's Random Access Memory DammitJim !!! You can read or write to it anywhere you want! |
| 21:02.13 | soft_cement | somiaj: I will do that next |
| 21:02.19 | soft_cement | good idea |
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| 21:06.11 | soft_cement | it's literally the first variable in the config file. yay |
| 21:06.16 | somiaj | nice |
| 21:06.56 | somiaj | you might not want /var/cache/apt/archives to point to the same location as apt-cacher-ng (apt will delete files by default and you have to configure it not to) |
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| 21:12.48 | soft_cement | i have apt-cacher-ng set to use its own directory. /mnt/data/apt-cacher-ng/ |
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| 21:13.20 | somiaj | good, this will probably save possible problems. |
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| 21:19.25 | jhutchins_wk | There are some operations that don't like symlinks, so it's good to have a direct mount. |
| 21:20.30 | somiaj | Yea, there are security issues, but I don't think it will matter in this case. |
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| 21:24.51 | arthur__ | hi |
| 21:25.11 | arthur__ | i have a problem while compiling kernel |
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| 21:25.15 | arthur__ | arch/x86/hyperv/hv_apic.c: In function âhv_send_ipi_mask_allbutselfâ: |
| 21:25.15 | arthur__ | arch/x86/hyperv/hv_apic.c:236:1: warning: the frame size of 1032 bytes is larger than 1024 bytes [-Wframe-larger-than=] |
| 21:25.24 | arthur__ | what i do? |
| 21:25.35 | somiaj | arthur__: what kernel are you compling and where did you get the source? |
| 21:25.50 | somiaj | also note that is a 'warning' not an error |
| 21:25.56 | arthur__ | i get from kernel.org version 5.5.8 |
| 21:26.01 | arthur__ | generic |
| 21:26.25 | somiaj | where did you get the config file for the kernel, or did you configure it yourself? Or better yet, why are you compling your own kernel? |
| 21:26.28 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 21:26.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: |
| 21:26.30 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
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| 21:27.14 | arthur__ | i need for better amdgpu drivers, cause theyre not working |
| 21:27.37 | somiaj | what isn't working? Did you install the firmware, firmware-amd-graphics? |
| 21:27.58 | arthur__ | i'll try |
| 21:28.00 | somiaj | Have you tried the 5.4.13 kernel from buster-backports (along with maybe firmware-amd-graphics from backports) |
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| 21:28.26 | somiaj | well I would first make sure the firmware is loaded, if the firmware is isntalled and loaded and you are still having troubles, try the backported kernel/firmware. |
| 21:29.04 | arthur__ | i tryed tha firmware and returns error: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:29.04 | arthur__ | " |
| 21:29.29 | somiaj | arthur__: please paste the whole output of 'apt install firmware-amd-misc' at paste.debian.net |
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| 21:31.02 | arthur__ | http://paste.debian.net/1133823/ |
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| 21:31.38 | somiaj | ,v linux-firmware |
| 21:31.39 | judd | No package named 'linux-firmware' was found in amd64. |
| 21:31.48 | somiaj | ,v linux-firmware |
| 21:31.49 | judd | No package named 'linux-firmware' was found in amd64. |
| 21:31.59 | somiaj | arthur__: where did you get this linux-firmware package? It doens't appear to be in debian? |
| 21:32.35 | arthur__ | from apt, lol |
| 21:32.55 | arthur__ | i think its came with the so |
| 21:33.04 | arthur__ | S.O* |
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| 21:33.30 | arthur__ | appear to be installed but not running |
| 21:33.48 | somiaj | from apt? There is no package called linux-firmware in modern debian distrubtions, and it is this package (I don't know where you got it from) that has a file that conflicts with debian's package. |
| 21:33.58 | somiaj | First share the output of 'apt policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 21:34.10 | somiaj | second to get the firmware from debian, you need to uninstall this linux-firmware package first. |
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| 21:35.15 | arthur__ | http://paste.debian.net/1133825/ |
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| 21:35.53 | somiaj | oh you are not even running debian, you are running deepin |
| 21:35.54 | somiaj | !deepin |
| 21:35.54 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net |
| 21:35.54 | jhutchins_wk | ,v hexchat |
| 21:35.56 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.12.4-3; stretch-backports: 2.14.2-4~bpo9+1; buster: 2.14.2-4; bullseye: 2.14.3-2+b1; sid: 2.14.3-2+b1 |
| 21:35.58 | N9NU | can someone tell me if I can just unpack the 2nd+3rd+non-free firmware ISO's and dump all of those files to the primary (image 1) USB key? |
| 21:36.22 | somiaj | arthur__: anyways, you will have to ask deepin about their os, and issues you have with it (like why they have a package that conflicts with firmware-amd-graphics) |
| 21:36.27 | arthur__ | but they're sleeping now |
| 21:36.27 | N9NU | or do i need to create folders on the USB key for each disc |
| 21:36.34 | arthur__ | they're in chine |
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| 21:36.39 | arthur__ | china* |
| 21:36.42 | somiaj | still we don't support derivatives here, this is a debian support channel for debian pure blends |
| 21:36.58 | arthur__ | ok |
| 21:37.04 | somiaj | N9NU: what is your goal? |
| 21:37.09 | arthur__ | sorry anyway |
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| 21:37.13 | jhutchins_wk | arthur__: This is exactly the kind of thing that's different, package names, how they work. |
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| 21:37.45 | N9NU | i have Disc 1 from the testing repo extracted to USB. I would like to dump disc 2 and 3 the the USB as well |
| 21:38.05 | atralheaven | Hi, is it safe to upgrade to debian 10 (from 9) without reinstalling? |
| 21:38.12 | N9NU | so I have the entire 3 disc set + the unofficial drivers disc as well |
| 21:38.29 | somiaj | !tell atralheaven about stretch->buster |
| 21:38.45 | arthur__ | how do i go to deepin channel? |
| 21:39.04 | N9NU | this is bullseye |
| 21:39.05 | somiaj | atralheaven: read the info I had the bot send you. Yes it should be safe (depending on what thrid party software you use). Be sure to read the release notes about best practices and known issues. Always backup |
| 21:39.28 | atralheaven | thanks |
| 21:39.40 | somiaj | N9NU: testing is a moving target, what is the point of having these installer images that will just chnage in a few weeks anyways. What is your actual goal of doing this. |
| 21:40.10 | N9NU | ima ham radio operator and wish to experiment |
| 21:40.20 | arthur__ | i'm in deepin channel now thanks |
| 21:40.21 | somiaj | N9NU: two things I notice, first debian testing questions should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Second, the suggested way to install testing is using the stable installer and dist-upgrading a minimial system. |
| 21:40.35 | N9NU | so i dont have to add repos manually....so to speak |
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| 21:41.14 | somiaj | with testing you do want online repos because they change so often. |
| 21:41.19 | N9NU | so there is another IRC server for the devel versions? irc.oftc.net ? |
| 21:41.28 | somiaj | !oftc move |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 21:41.41 | somiaj | irc.oftc.net is the offical debian network (this is the only channel not on that network) |
| 21:42.00 | N9NU | yes...thats what im after....removing the DVD sources and adding each one |
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| 21:42.12 | N9NU | of the online repos |
| 21:42.18 | somiaj | anyways, with stable I think extracting the .iso might not be the best bet if you are wanting a physical copy of the .deb files to install. I don't really know the best way to deal with this |
| 21:42.23 | N9NU | somiaj, got ya |
| 21:42.25 | N9NU | thanks |
| 21:42.39 | somiaj | The one time I did it (a long time ago) was to just keep the .iso files, and mount them as loopback devices when apt asked |
| 21:42.46 | somiaj | I would then use apt-cdrom to scan them to know the package list |
| 21:43.03 | somiaj | (I'm unsure how to put all the files in a new location and still get a package list with out apt-cdrom) |
| 21:43.07 | N9NU | its not a big deal...i can add each repo to the .conf file |
| 21:43.46 | somiaj | but with testing, I would use an online repo, if you are doing a lot of installs on a local network, use apt-cacher-ng on one of the machines, and point all other machines at the cacher (this saves downling packages over and over again from the inernet) |
| 21:44.28 | N9NU | understood...yeah it's just one new laptop i will be using---for now |
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| 21:46.35 | N9NU | fyi: that server is DOA |
| 21:46.46 | N9NU | irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:47.08 | N9NU | unknown host |
| 21:47.45 | Battle | hello all. so I appear to have broken my 'apt' by using 'aptitude' as it failed to install wine32, and since then I'm not stuck with various errors: https://pastebin.com/fueFNwx7 |
| 21:47.50 | N9NU | oh...itsd all CAPS |
| 21:47.52 | N9NU | now it works |
| 21:47.53 | jhutchins_wk | N9NU: Funny, I'm on it. |
| 21:47.58 | Battle | now* |
| 21:48.19 | Battle | even if I enter something like the screen command, I am getting error: screen: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:48.41 | N9NU | yeah i forot the remove the irc. |
| 21:48.43 | jhutchins_wk | N9NU: Were you trying to reach it with a browser? |
| 21:48.54 | N9NU | neg. im in Hexchat...it was my bad |
| 21:49.01 | Battle | so its like aptitude uninstalled something, then failed to install other things...and stuck at this point, now apt update and all apt related commands are busted, but not just apt as screen so far also doesnt owrk |
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| 21:56.38 | taserface | hey, um, dumb question |
| 21:56.54 | taserface | is networkmanager generally already set up on a new install? |
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| 22:06.23 | annadane | yeah i think it's part of most desktop tasksel packages |
| 22:06.47 | annadane | or hmm maybe it depends what you install |
| 22:07.13 | annadane | xfce and gnome both have it, looking at package descriptions |
| 22:07.45 | allizom | kde has plasma-nm which brings it in |
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| 22:18.59 | dob1 | I have proc mounted with hidepid=1 but I have a process where my user is the owner that I don't see in ps aux but I see in sudo ps aux... why? |
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| 22:24.54 | HelloShitty | peeps, evening everyone |
| 22:25.53 | HelloShitty | Guys, I need some help here. I have created a .service file in ~/.config/systemd/user which is a folder where it is supposed to be searched for service files |
| 22:26.24 | HelloShitty | however I can't make check the state of the service using: systemctl status myservice.service |
| 22:26.36 | HelloShitty | What may I be missing? |
| 22:27.51 | dob1 | --user maybe |
| 22:29.26 | HelloShitty | hum, let me see |
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| 22:29.58 | HelloShitty | that's it man... dob1 thank you. lol |
| 22:30.15 | HelloShitty | I couldn't ask better and faster |
| 22:30.16 | dob1 | HelloShitty, but, from what I remember, it will not run at boot |
| 22:30.26 | HelloShitty | Why not? |
| 22:30.52 | dob1 | someone here explain me why, but I don't remember :) |
| 22:31.09 | dob1 | it will run at your login |
| 22:32.04 | HelloShitty | That is ok |
| 22:32.10 | HelloShitty | in fact it's better that way |
| 22:32.16 | HelloShitty | because this service needs internet |
| 22:32.24 | HelloShitty | and at boot it will error out, most ptobably |
| 22:32.38 | dob1 | you can configure the service to what It needs to run |
| 22:32.45 | dob1 | systemd will load it at the right time |
| 22:32.52 | dob1 | if it depends on another service |
| 22:32.54 | HelloShitty | But I'm affraid it is not running even on login |
| 22:33.02 | HelloShitty | yes, I tried to set it up like that |
| 22:33.10 | HelloShitty | to run after network is live and running |
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| 22:47.32 | dob1 | ,v monit |
| 22:47.33 | judd | Package: monit on amd64 -- jessie: 1:5.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:5.9-1+deb8u2; stretch: 1:5.20.0-6+deb9u1; buster-backports: 1:5.26.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1:5.26.0-4; sid: 1:5.26.0-4 |
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| 22:51.41 | HelloShitty | dob1: was that for me? |
| 22:51.49 | dob1 | HelloShitty, no |
| 22:52.31 | HotBeefD_ | I feel like this is a simple problem I'm butting up against...I'm trying to install Redis...the last step is "sudo /etc/init.d/redis_6379 start" ...but when I run that I get "Starting Redis server... /etc/init.d/redis_6379: 28: /etc/init.d/redis_6379: /usr/local/bin/redis-server: not found" ...is this because the official Debian package I used to install Redis puts the server in /usr/bin/ rather than /usr/local/bin/? |
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| 23:10.03 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: where did that init script come from? debian packages never install into /usr/local . Redis already comes with a service unit. |
| 23:10.26 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace sorry, I just figured out how to fix it...thanks for the help |
| 23:10.53 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace it came from the official Redis documentationhttps://redis.io/topics/quickstart |
| 23:10.59 | HotBeefD_ | https://redis.io/topics/quickstart |
| 23:12.05 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: you shouldn't follow such guides blindly. on debian all you need is apt install redis-server and it's up and running. |
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| 23:14.36 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace I got confused by the fact that the guide has sections for "Installing Redis" and "Installing Redis more properly"...I assumed that Debian's package manager completed the steps for "installing Redis" but wasn't sure whether the steps for "Installing Redis more properly" were also completed by the package manager or not |
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| 23:15.33 | phogg | if you generally assume that Debian packaging helps you and does the most sensible thing possible you'll usually be right |
| 23:15.52 | phogg | not all distributions are committed to being so friendly, which is weird and tragic |
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| 23:16.50 | annadane | i *started* on debian. only later did i find out about the weird decisions ubuntu/mint/manjaro make |
| 23:17.08 | annadane | all hail the swirl |
| 23:17.17 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: technically neither. the package manager doesn't download the tarball, it already contains it along with debian metadata and other things. |
| 23:18.06 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: also what phogg said. on debian, in general, programs are installed with sensible defaults and services autostarted, so in most cases you literally just need an apt install, followed by optional reconfiguration of the service and a service restart. |
| 23:18.27 | ratrace | *optionally followed by |
| 23:18.37 | HotBeefD_ | now ya'll got me wondering if I should go back and undo all the changes I made just now |
| 23:19.05 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: well you don't need that weird init script, that's one, the debian package installs a systemd service unit. |
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| 23:21.04 | ratrace | what's _really_ weird is that apparently official redis documentation is recommending that weird, tarball installation method FOR Debian or Ubuntu. As if it was written by someone who never saw a Debian, or Ubuntu, let alone used it, even less used redis on it. |
| 23:22.47 | HotBeefD_ | so...when I see this line: "The following instructions can be used to perform a proper installation using the init script shipped with Redis 2.4 in a Debian or Ubuntu based distribution."...is that to say that the init script the instructions had me generate was already included in both Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 23:23.23 | HotBeefD_ | meaning, I just did something that was completely un-necessary and just created a new init script that's like the one they shipped with the distro? |
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| 23:24.05 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: on Debian the package already installs a systemd unit, and an init script |
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| 23:26.43 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace can I ask a small favor...can you look at the section of this page https://redis.io/topics/quickstart that starts with "Edit the configuration file..." and tell me if those changes I made turned my Debian box into some weird franken-distro? |
| 23:26.59 | HotBeefD_ | it's about 5 bullet points |
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| 23:31.41 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: it's already configured properly. you shouldn't alter pidfile, logfile or dir without also altering the service unit security/constraint option |
| 23:31.44 | ratrace | options* |
| 23:32.35 | HotBeefD_ | hmm...I think I have a backup of the box that predates me screwing around with those settings...I may just roll the whole thing back |
| 23:32.39 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace thanks for that |
| 23:33.37 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: you can apt purge redis-server then remove /etc/redis.conf if it's still there, and reinstall apt install redis-server |
| 23:34.20 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.25 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace that sounds a bit less of a hassle...thanks! |
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| 23:39.15 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace should I do a purge for redis as well? that's how I got redis-server in the first place...redis-server was installed as a dependency of redis |
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| 23:42.00 | b1ack0p | hi |
| 23:42.07 | b1ack0p | i cannot change keyboard layout on xfce |
| 23:42.10 | b1ack0p | how can i do? |
| 23:42.12 | b1ack0p | debian10 |
| 23:42.15 | b1ack0p | xfce |
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| 23:43.13 | ratrace | HotBeefD_: "redis" is just a metapackage that pulls in redis-server, nothing else |
| 23:44.20 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace I see, thanks again for all the help |
| 23:44.34 | ratrace | no bother. |
| 23:45.19 | ratrace | signs off |
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| 23:58.30 | HotBeefD_ | ratrace Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/redis-server.service â /lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service. Job for redis-server.service failed because a timeout was exceeded.... this happened when I reinstalled redis-server...should I be concerned? |
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| 23:59.28 | HotBeefD_ | I just pinged the server from the command line and got a response...so, it appears to be up and running... |