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| 00:14.20 | Katana_Steel | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xfburn looking at the regexp for the upstream, it seems like there's a lot of extra space, could anyone here fix that? |
| 00:16.43 | JackFrost | Katana_Steel: This would fix it: |
| 00:16.43 | JackFrost | -https://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/xfburn/([\d\.]+)/ \ |
| 00:16.43 | JackFrost | +https://archive.xfce.org/src/apps/xfburn/(\d[\d\.]+)/ \ |
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| 00:20.02 | Katana_Steel | Nice JackFrost, but I dont have edit rights |
| 00:20.10 | JackFrost | I do. :P |
| 00:20.16 | Katana_Steel | Heh |
| 00:20.21 | Katana_Steel | Thanks |
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| 01:07.03 | JackFrost | Katana_Steel: Curious, why were you looking into Xfburn? |
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| 01:49.35 | dadinn | hi all |
| 01:50.07 | dadinn | I am facing a problem with current Debian stable (Buster) |
| 01:50.20 | dadinn | it is grub not supporting LUKS2 format |
| 01:51.53 | dadinn | firstly, I was shocked to see that Debian finally broke backward compatibility, breaking installer script which used to work with anything before stretch, now break disasterously |
| 01:53.01 | dadinn | disasterous I mean after the installer finished, the user reboots, and locked out of the machine, not able to unlock the hard drive... without any error (even warning) being reported during install |
| 01:53.21 | dadinn | perfect! |
| 01:54.14 | dadinn | at any rate, I am looking for a workaround, is there a way to install a grub version (from backports or whatever) which supports LUKS version 2? |
| 01:54.32 | dadinn | using Buster |
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| 01:54.39 | dadinn | or any later? |
| 01:54.55 | dadinn | is this going to be fixed in Bullseye? |
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| 01:59.32 | themill | the installer normally puts /boot outside luks which then works just fine |
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| 02:01.15 | themill | as for direct luks2 support in grub, that's an upstream issue that seems to have very recently been addressed https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?55093 |
| 02:02.07 | dadinn | themill: /boot is outlise LUKS and it still fails |
| 02:02.18 | dadinn | * outside |
| 02:02.37 | themill | that would not be related to grub then |
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| 02:03.26 | dadinn | themill: I am aware of the recent upstream fix/update to grub, my question is more if there is a way to use it on Buster (maybe from backports) |
| 02:03.43 | themill | it sounds like you're chasing the wrong thing |
| 02:04.17 | dadinn | themill: it is related to grub, because it doesn't know LUKS2 format, therefore it luksOpen fail to unlock with the passphrase |
| 02:04.41 | themill | grub would not be trying to do anything with luke |
| 02:04.45 | themill | s |
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| 02:06.48 | dadinn | themill: sure, what is GRUB_CRYPTODISK_ENABLE=y for then? |
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| 02:11.46 | dadinn | themill: also, if GRUB has nothing to do with LUKS, then why are they adding LUKS format version 2 support to it? |
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| 02:20.37 | joepublic | the answers here are "not luks2" and "so you won't have to keep /boot outside luks2" |
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| 02:29.08 | dadinn | joepublic: what do you mean? |
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| 02:34.25 | Katana_Steel | JackFrost: I guess you could say a bit of narcissism ;) |
| 02:35.40 | JackFrost | Amusingly, I was just looking at it. |
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| 02:37.05 | Katana_Steel | Yeah I pushed 0.6.2 yesterday wondered if buildbot tools had picked up the new upstream |
| 02:38.20 | helloman34 | There is no more space on the root directory. There is room elsewhere on the drive. I did df to find this information out. Does anyone know how to "move" per se, or re allocate space from one part of the drive to another. ? Thanks |
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| 02:41.44 | Katana_Steel | helloman34: have you tried 'apt clean' to reclaim a bit of space from package updates |
| 02:43.16 | annadane | is there a way to make a tarball of my home directory without including dot files? |
| 02:43.17 | helloman34 | Katana_Steel no but I think that would be putting a band aid on the wound. Is there a long term solution. |
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| 03:02.59 | Katana_Steel | helloman34: true but it will allow you to symlink stuff onto your larger partition |
| 03:04.01 | helloman34 | Katana_Steel i did apt clean. helped marginally. Is making a symlink to the larger partition the way to go? I am naive to this. First time coming across this issue. |
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| 03:06.34 | Katana_Steel | Resizing partitions will be a pain if you use xfs, shrinking is out of the question |
| 03:07.42 | helloman34 | so do you know of a reasonable way to attack this issue? |
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| 03:10.16 | Katana_Steel | Find what is using most space on the root partition |
| 03:11.04 | helloman34 | what is the best command to find this out |
| 03:11.38 | Katana_Steel | See if you can move it to your larger partition and replace the directory with a symlink pointing to the move parts |
| 03:11.38 | somiaj | helloman34: you can use du (disk use), like du -h /var (will tell you how much space var is using) |
| 03:12.01 | somiaj | du -h /usr will tell you how much software from .debs and maybe /usr/local is taking up |
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| 03:12.52 | Katana_Steel | The docker image directory if you play with that would be a good candidate |
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| 03:16.40 | helloman34 | @somiaj idk how this affects anything but the drive is encrypted. So -h/var doesnt work. |
| 03:16.51 | somiaj | you need a space |
| 03:16.54 | somiaj | encripted shouldn't matter |
| 03:17.45 | helloman34 | somiaj the command du -h/var returns invalid option |
| 03:17.53 | somiaj | you are missing a space, du -h /var |
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| 03:18.39 | helloman34 | Katana_Steel i am a noob. How does one move it to a larger partition? |
| 03:19.08 | helloman34 | somiaj ooo durrr |
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| 03:19.40 | somiaj | helloman34: if you can find the source of the disk ussage, you can just copy the data elsewhere (and make a link) -- depending on what it is, not everything likes links |
| 03:20.09 | somiaj | but you can move it just like any files, I use the 'mv' command, you could also 'cp' or 'rysnc' it then remove it |
| 03:21.13 | Katana_Steel | Drag and drop in your file manager of choice too, possibly with root privileges |
| 03:21.47 | helloman34 | @somiaj 1.) how does one find the source of the disk usage. I already knew from df that var was only like 5% used. |
| 03:22.10 | somiaj | you look around with the du command, try tot track down where the data is located, hence why I suggested du -h /var |
| 03:22.13 | somiaj | but look around your drive |
| 03:22.17 | Katana_Steel | like you mentioned df can tell you which partition and mount point is larger |
| 03:22.37 | somiaj | du can tell you how much a file tree uses, while df tells you whole partition |
| 03:23.41 | helloman34 | in my case I know that the /home is where I have the available space. root ( / ) is what is full. So I need to look around in the root partition to see what I can move to the /home partition? |
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| 03:28.48 | karlpinc | helloman34: I don't suppose you've used LVM for your partitions when you installed? |
| 03:29.47 | helloman34 | @karlpinc tbh i have no idea if i did |
| 03:30.20 | Katana_Steel | lsblk will show |
| 03:30.30 | karlpinc | helloman34: What does "lvs" say when run as root? |
| 03:30.50 | karlpinc | Katana_Steel: Thanks. That works as a regular user. |
| 03:31.18 | Katana_Steel | You're welcome |
| 03:31.35 | helloman34 | @somiaj after running du i found that i /lib is taking up around 234 mb. If i cut and paste all those folders to /home will that be suffice |
| 03:31.53 | helloman34 | @karlpinc I see the sizes of the partitions. Very similar to df |
| 03:32.15 | karlpinc | The TYPE column would have to say "lvm". |
| 03:32.16 | Katana_Steel | Also if you have xfs on any volume you can't make more space without a new storage device |
| 03:32.20 | helloman34 | karlpinc I get home root swap tmp and var |
| 03:33.03 | helloman34 | Katana_Steel so what is the implication of that? |
| 03:33.52 | somiaj | helloman34: no, you have to be careful what you move. |
| 03:33.58 | karlpinc | helloman34: I don't suppose you have any un-paritioned space. |
| 03:34.10 | somiaj | helloman34: I would not worry about /lib, what is the size of your root file system? |
| 03:34.36 | helloman34 | karlpinc when i encrypted and partitioned Im pretty sure i partitioned all the space |
| 03:34.53 | helloman34 | somiaj root is 23 gb |
| 03:35.12 | helloman34 | home is 659. it is only 25% full |
| 03:35.13 | Katana_Steel | You can't shrink xfs partitions |
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| 03:35.47 | helloman34 | so the 23 gb is completely full |
| 03:35.58 | somiaj | helloman34: how much space was in /var, also cehck /opt and /usr/local, how much space is in those three places |
| 03:36.01 | somiaj | I mean how much is being used |
| 03:36.22 | helloman34 | 9.3 gb in var with 5% in use |
| 03:37.16 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:37.23 | somiaj | 9.3gb in /var is a bit much, lets see what in var is using that |
| 03:37.55 | karlpinc | helloman34: 23G would seem to be enough. What do you have on there? (My root partition uses 1.3G, plus the 9.3G used on /usr is only 10.6G. Is it because I don't have a full gnome or kde installed, just what I need?) |
| 03:38.53 | helloman34 | @somiaj here is the output: 4.0K/var/cache/apt/archives/partial80K/var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:39.01 | helloman34 | not exactly |
| 03:39.08 | helloman34 | copy and paste screwed it up |
| 03:39.18 | karlpinc | helloman34: As in, go ahead and see what's on there as somiaj said. |
| 03:39.20 | karlpinc | !paste |
| 03:39.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:39.55 | somiaj | helloman34: hmm, lets try to figure out what in /var is taking up so much space, now try 'du -h /var/log' -- just give me the total used by /var/log (it willb e the last line) |
| 03:40.09 | somiaj | also make sure you are running these commands as root, normal users can't see all files in /var |
| 03:40.11 | karlpinc | somiaj: Didn't he say /var is a separate partition? |
| 03:40.30 | helloman34 | @karlpinc it is |
| 03:40.36 | helloman34 | 9.3 gb |
| 03:40.37 | somiaj | karlpinc: did they? I thought they said 9.3 gigs was being used by /var (since I asked for du -h /var a while ago) |
| 03:40.51 | somiaj | oh I thought that was how much was being used by /var, not the size of the partition |
| 03:41.14 | somiaj | well anyways, the basic idea is to figure out where most the space is being used. 23gigs should be okay if you don't have multiple desktops installed |
| 03:41.23 | helloman34 | you can call me he its cool. |
| 03:41.26 | karlpinc | somiaj: They have /home /tmp/ /var / |
| 03:41.41 | helloman34 | 9.3 is what is available on var. Only 5% is being used of that 9.3 gb |
| 03:41.53 | karlpinc | helloman34: Let's worry about / |
| 03:42.15 | helloman34 | karlpinc yeah thats the root of the problem. PUN INTENDED |
| 03:42.43 | karlpinc | helloman34: So any clue what you installed that takes up so much space? Or do we need to dig around? |
| 03:43.48 | helloman34 | karlpinc we need to dig around. I imagine it was not one thing. |
| 03:44.07 | karlpinc | helloman34: You are definately running debian? |
| 03:44.10 | helloman34 | I cant even mount an external usb |
| 03:44.18 | helloman34 | BRO IM 100% not that lost |
| 03:44.23 | helloman34 | yes I am running debian lol |
| 03:45.02 | karlpinc | Humm. Maybe asking tasksel what tasks are installed is a start? .... |
| 03:45.22 | helloman34 | when I try to mount an external hard drive I get a warning saying there is no space left on the device. Must be that the hard drive by default mounts to / |
| 03:45.35 | helloman34 | ^^^ just a symptom I am relaying |
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| 03:46.25 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /usr (how much total space is being used there, just give me last line) |
| 03:46.45 | somiaj | no having no space really makes lots of things not work, lets find what it using some space and get you some space back |
| 03:46.54 | helloman34 | somiaj 5.1 gb |
| 03:47.12 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /opt (any data there)? |
| 03:47.31 | helloman34 | @somiaj I appreciate the desire to help me find space |
| 03:47.59 | helloman34 | somiaj 304 mb |
| 03:48.21 | somiaj | the first thing is to figure out where the space is being usd, 5.1 gigs in /usr says the bulk is being used elsewhere. /usr is where most of the data debian puts on your machine would be. So this is something outsie of debian I belive |
| 03:48.21 | karlpinc | "tasksel --list-tasks" _would_ be useful, but I'd think that would mostly put stuff in /usr/.... |
| 03:48.40 | somiaj | I think most data in debian would be in /usr from packages and /var from logs/data/mail/archives |
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| 03:48.59 | karlpinc | And if somiaj Is right, then the "something" that's using lots of data should be easy to move. |
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| 03:49.07 | karlpinc | (Or at least ought to be.) |
| 03:49.35 | somiaj | helloman34: maybe paste the output of 'ls' of /, or start poking around yourself, use du -h on each directory in /, and figure out what else besides /usr is taking up space. Don't worry about /home or /var since those are different partitions |
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| 03:50.21 | helloman34 | @somiaj on my drive most data is written to /home ( I know this from df output_ |
| 03:50.28 | karlpinc | helloman34: Moving standard system stuff to non-standard locations is going to get pretty ugly at some point -- best to avoid when you can really address the issue. |
| 03:50.49 | somiaj | helloman34: here we only care about stuff on / partition, so that is why I said don't worry about /home, it is a differnt partition |
| 03:51.01 | karlpinc | helloman34: Yes, but obviously not all of it. Something got written to / |
| 03:51.13 | karlpinc | helloman34: Let's find it. |
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| 03:51.46 | helloman34 | @karlpinc lets find this son of a bitch |
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| 03:52.37 | karlpinc | helloman34: "du -xsh /*" will do for a start. |
| 03:52.50 | somiaj | oh I should learn du better, I do each directory one at a time..:/ |
| 03:53.23 | karlpinc | somiaj: It's the classic problem. There's always some new goodie buried in a major os upgrade. |
| 03:53.48 | karlpinc | somiaj: I just thought "hey, maybe somebody added -x to du". And there it was. :) |
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| 03:54.28 | karlpinc | sometimes still can't remember the lsblk stuff even exists. |
| 03:55.21 | helloman34 | @karlpinc did this command what am i looking for |
| 03:55.30 | ryouma | on stretch, i used to be able to play a dvd using vlc and libdvdread4. now, it says No css library available, and before that like disc.c:352: error opening file BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv. hints? |
| 03:55.43 | ryouma | if i try to purge and tehn reinstall vlc to fix this, there are too many packages that it wants to purge, so i did not try that |
| 03:55.54 | karlpinc | helloman34: Some directory taking up lots of space. Which takes the most and how much? |
| 03:56.19 | karlpinc | helloman34: Or just paste the whole thing for us at paste.debian.net. |
| 03:57.05 | helloman34 | karlpinc .home 152 gb |
| 03:57.12 | somiaj | ryouma: this has always been an issue, but only some dvds require libdvdcss. If you check /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/ theer is a debian readme that tells you how to build libdvdcss from source. |
| 03:57.32 | somiaj | helloman34: well we don't care about /home or /var since they are spearate partitions, what other ones? |
| 03:57.45 | karlpinc | helloman34: Ok. So what is the /.home directory and do you need anything in it? |
| 03:58.00 | somiaj | ryouma: debian multimedia also has a libcss packaged already. In general I don't trust dmo, but I have int he past downlaoded that one lib and installed it with dpkg and it worked. |
| 03:58.20 | somiaj | karlpinc: I think they mean /home, there is no way 152 gb dierctory is on a 23gb partition. |
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| 03:58.39 | helloman34 | for sure /home is where I live |
| 03:58.40 | karlpinc | helloman34: Yeah. But /home should not have even showed up. |
| 03:59.03 | somiaj | karlpinc: why not, what would avoid iw tih /*? |
| 03:59.04 | karlpinc | helloman34: I take it back. Anyway, we can ignore /home. |
| 03:59.33 | karlpinc | helloman34: I wasn't thinking the whole command through. |
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| 04:01.28 | karlpinc | somiaj: So much for being clever with -x. :) |
| 04:03.56 | helloman34 | @karlpinc somiaj here is the output to ls / https://pastebin.com/Zrg2hhpj |
| 04:04.19 | karlpinc | !pastebin.com |
| 04:04.19 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ (or give us the raw link like pastebin.com/raw/<identifier>, in other words pastebin.com/foo becomes pastebin.com/raw/foo) |
| 04:05.28 | somiaj | that /media and /R directory seem out of place |
| 04:05.38 | helloman34 | https://paste.debian.net/1134076/ |
| 04:05.47 | karlpinc | helloman34: ls is not interesting. "ls -a" is possibly interesting. What's really interesting is the du output. |
| 04:05.48 | somiaj | oh wait, /media is where mounts are put...always forget that |
| 04:06.00 | helloman34 | somiaj its gotta be the /media. I havent been using R |
| 04:06.03 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /R (did you install R on your machine) |
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| 04:06.15 | somiaj | no /media is standard on desktop systems, ignore me. |
| 04:06.28 | helloman34 | yes R is there. I use R but not recently. Its the /media directory |
| 04:06.29 | somiaj | but check out /R, how much space is being used there? |
| 04:06.41 | somiaj | R is a big probgram, you should put it in /home |
| 04:06.48 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /R (how much space is it using)? |
| 04:06.53 | karlpinc | There is always the possibility that something _didn't_ get mounted on /media and that the root fs was written to instead. |
| 04:07.05 | helloman34 | 689 mb for R. This is not the issue its gotta be /media |
| 04:07.35 | somiaj | helloman34: du -h /media (how much space is being used there) |
| 04:07.44 | helloman34 | this makes sense cus I can not mount any external device (USB, external hard drive) |
| 04:07.51 | karlpinc | helloman34: Presumeably you did the du on all the dirs in /, so you should know what's using the most space. |
| 04:08.02 | karlpinc | helloman34: Nah. That wouldn't really have to do with it. |
| 04:08.12 | somiaj | helloman34: that is still amost a gig, you should try to orgiinze where you put third party stuff on your system. I would also consider moving /R to /home/R (to a partition with more space), or if you only have one user /home/username/R |
| 04:08.55 | helloman34 | 17 g on /media |
| 04:09.04 | helloman34 | how do I move the R directory without screwing anything up |
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| 04:09.21 | somiaj | helloman34: where did you install R from? |
| 04:09.23 | karlpinc | helloman34: Well, there you go. Move the stuff in /media to where it belongs. |
| 04:11.02 | helloman34 | @somiaj this is a whole can of worms. Upgrading from 3.3 to 3.5 was a total pain in the ass. I am recollecting now, but there was a problem with dependencies and such. Getting ptsd thinking about it. |
| 04:11.22 | karlpinc | helloman34: You _could_ just install the r-base package, and use the debian R. But not if you're a serious R user and need the latest and greatest. |
| 04:11.35 | helloman34 | I installed R from CRAN |
| 04:11.58 | helloman34 | I needed the 3.5 version for the project I was working on. |
| 04:12.10 | karlpinc | ,v r-base |
| 04:12.11 | judd | Package: r-base on amd64 -- jessie: 3.1.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 3.1.1-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.3.3-1; buster: 3.5.2-1; bullseye: 3.6.3-1; sid: 3.6.3-1 |
| 04:12.25 | helloman34 | which i do not think is supported in debian. But I think we are digressing. The problem is in /media |
| 04:12.32 | somiaj | helloman34: debian provides r packages, but overall I guess where it is won't be a big deal once you clear up media. |
| 04:12.48 | helloman34 | whats the best way to move the files in this case |
| 04:12.58 | karlpinc | helloman34: Buster has 3.5. |
| 04:13.22 | helloman34 | Yeah I am running stretch. |
| 04:13.51 | karlpinc | helloman34: But that's neither here nor there. You might want more control over your R version. And R is not the issue. Figure out what's in /media and move it. |
| 04:14.03 | helloman34 | ^^^ yes |
| 04:14.13 | somiaj | helloman34: the mv command if you want to move them to /home for instance. Anyways, figure out what went wrong in /media (there might be multiple sub dirs), what is taking up that space, is it stuff you have copies of or not, and decide where to mvoe it |
| 04:14.19 | karlpinc | helloman34: Or maybe delete it. As I say, maybe you thought it was going onto external media and you already have another copy on some external media. |
| 04:14.32 | karlpinc | helloman34: (Just be sure nothing's mounted on /media) |
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| 04:14.56 | helloman34 | lsblk right |
| 04:15.05 | karlpinc | helloman34: Or findmnt. |
| 04:15.51 | helloman34 | nothing mounted on /media we are in the clear |
| 04:16.49 | karlpinc | helloman34: And plan for upgrading to buster. Read the buster release notes so you really have no suprises. The pocket version is: |
| 04:16.54 | helloman34 | for this what is the best way to discern what to move on the /media directory. the DU output is dense |
| 04:16.56 | karlpinc | !stretch->buster |
| 04:17.48 | karlpinc | helloman34: Really, whatever you use to look at directries. cd into it, do ls -lh. Or use some file-browser-thingie in a gui. Whatever works. |
| 04:18.16 | karlpinc | helloman34: The "file" command is super handy if you don't know what you might be looking at. |
| 04:19.32 | karlpinc | !stretch->buster |
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| 04:22.16 | annadane | i think dpkg has trouble with that factoid |
| 04:22.20 | annadane | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 04:22.20 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 04:22.36 | annadane | when used with ! |
| 04:23.49 | somiaj | annadane: Someone mentioned there is a bug with the -> and !. So you are not alone with that issue |
| 04:23.57 | helloman34 | @karlpinc I cut and paste 94 gb folder but df still shows same specs for root |
| 04:24.09 | helloman34 | 94 mb**** |
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| 04:24.34 | karlpinc | helloman34: I'd only expect that if something has those files open. |
| 04:24.58 | karlpinc | helloman34: Try cd-ing into the dir and look with ls to see what's still there? |
| 04:25.21 | ryouma | somiaj: i did read the readme, but i thought that was taken care of by libdvdread4, which i have installed, and which worked for the previous dvd of the same series |
| 04:25.28 | karlpinc | helloman34: (Perhaps your gui file-thingie still has it open?) |
| 04:26.12 | somiaj | ryouma: debian can't ship the encryption means of libdvdcss, not all dvd's actually use it. |
| 04:26.32 | somiaj | so if you ahve a dvd that needs libdvdcss, you need to install it from outside of debian. The Readme tells you how to compile it from source |
| 04:27.11 | helloman34 | @karlpinc how is this possible for root to exist here? I am confused https://paste.debian.net/1134078/ |
| 04:28.01 | helloman34 | how is media under media. I am confused by the tree to be honest |
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| 04:28.19 | damo22 | i am getting signature invalid on debian ports archive automatic signing key |
| 04:28.30 | damo22 | any ideas? |
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| 04:29.39 | somiaj | helloman34: sounds like you did something to compound the issue there, is this /media/media a link or another directory (links are possible) |
| 04:29.41 | karlpinc | damo22: Done an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" lately? |
| 04:29.52 | damo22 | no not lately |
| 04:29.59 | damo22 | i tried to do apt update |
| 04:30.06 | damo22 | and got that error |
| 04:30.58 | user217_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.59 | helloman34 | @somiaj this is what I get: https://paste.debian.net/1134079/ |
| 04:31.10 | helloman34 | What does the $ sign mean again |
| 04:31.23 | karlpinc | helloman34: "ls -a .." in that dir would tell you if you're looking at a symlink to /. |
| 04:31.44 | somiaj | helloman34: cd /media sends you to the /media dir, this doens't mean media is a subdir |
| 04:32.15 | karlpinc | helloman34: "$" is at the end of a normal prompt when you're a regular user. Root has "#". |
| 04:32.31 | ryouma | somiaj: i am confused. i thought this library downloaded it for me or something. guess i was wrong. so does this mean that for the same series of dvd, dvd 1 could have been not-encrypted and thus worked while dvd 2 is encrypted? i vaguely thought that libdvdread4 fixed everything for dvd1. |
| 04:33.18 | karlpinc | damo22: Maybe try another mirror? Dunno. |
| 04:33.21 | helloman34 | @karlpinc this is what i get https://paste.debian.net/1134082/ |
| 04:33.44 | damo22 | ryouma: its illegal to possess a dvd decryption library in some countries, therefore it is not included by default iirc |
| 04:34.01 | somiaj | ryouma: debian cannot legagly supply libdvdcss, you have to go get it on your own. |
| 04:34.25 | ryouma | so dvd1 was not encrypted i guess as it worked |
| 04:34.31 | ryouma | following the link says i can just install libdvd-pkg which will compile it though |
| 04:34.32 | somiaj | its been a while since I've watched dvds on linux, but I always had to manually go get libdvdcss |
| 04:34.38 | ryouma | which is what i thought libdvdread4 did :) |
| 04:34.45 | karlpinc | helloman34: That's in /media. The big file with lot-o-numbers in the name is in /media/giovanni/. |
| 04:34.52 | ryouma | i thought all that was fixed in recent years |
| 04:34.55 | somiaj | no libdvdread4 doens't have all the encryption stuff included. |
| 04:35.00 | ryouma | ok |
| 04:35.56 | helloman34 | @karlpinc so what is your point? |
| 04:36.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: There's not even something in non-free that get dvdcss and compiles it for you? (Somehow I thought things had gotten easier since I last tried years and years ago.) No need to answer. |
| 04:36.04 | somiaj | ryouma: https://sources.debian.org/src/libdvdread/6.0.2-2/debian/docs/README.css/ -- did you not read that file? |
| 04:36.33 | somiaj | karlpinc: maybe some change has happend, but the newest version of libdvdread 6.0.2 still contains that info |
| 04:36.38 | karlpinc | helloman34: You asked about the content of the dir with lots of numbers in the name. So you need to ls in the dir that contains that dir. |
| 04:37.24 | helloman34 | @karlpinc which i did. |
| 04:37.53 | damo22 | how does the gpg signing work if you need to trust the key before you install the package that contains the key? |
| 04:38.17 | somiaj | karlpinc: I am not seeing any package with dvdcss in it that seems to do that. libdvdread4 cannot do that because it is in main, and it would be a policy violation to install possibliy illegale software on your system when installed. |
| 04:38.30 | karlpinc | helloman34: I got the contents of /media and the content of /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9/, there's a "giovanni" dir in between. |
| 04:39.09 | helloman34 | karlpinc yeah thats the main user account. |
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| 04:39.23 | karlpinc | damo22: The installer has the key. |
| 04:39.44 | damo22 | is it possible my install is too old and has a generation of key missing |
| 04:39.59 | karlpinc | helloman34: Well, you asked about why the number dir looks like root. We need to see the number dir listed in it's parent dir to know. |
| 04:40.35 | karlpinc | helloman34: (And your main user's home dir is not in /media/, so....) |
| 04:40.52 | karlpinc | s |
| 04:40.56 | karlpinc | s\root\/\ |
| 04:41.05 | damo22 | is there a way for me to download the latest key for a particular release and trust it manually? |
| 04:41.31 | karlpinc | damo22: Probably apt-key. |
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| 04:42.06 | karlpinc | damo22: But are you sure your're looking only at debian repos? What does your sources-list say? |
| 04:42.20 | damo22 | karlpinc: im on Hurd |
| 04:42.27 | helloman34 | ok tbh I am getting a little confused. I dont understand how under /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 when i ls and cd in /media which is under /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 i get brought back to square 1. Is this a circle lol. Educate me. |
| 04:43.25 | karlpinc | helloman34: Let me try again. What does "ls -hd /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9" say? |
| 04:43.32 | damo22 | helloman34: putting / in front of the path makes it go back to root |
| 04:43.40 | ryouma | somiaj: it seems that libdvd-pkg is supposed to do all that. if libdvdread4 is in main that is obviously the wrong thing. so i installed (again?) libdvd-pkg. now it should work. but doesn't. |
| 04:43.58 | ryouma | that oen is in contrib |
| 04:44.34 | somiaj | ahh guess I learn something, still is strange libdvdread doesn't mention that package |
| 04:44.57 | somiaj | (I can understand not being depending on it, that would break policy, but I don't see how informing users of the contrib package would break policy) |
| 04:45.02 | somiaj | though maybe it encurages use of contrib |
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| 04:45.13 | helloman34 | @karlpinc /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 |
| 04:45.13 | karlpinc | I'd file a bug. |
| 04:45.38 | helloman34 | @karlpinc thats the output of what you suggested |
| 04:45.59 | karlpinc | helloman34: That's not all it says. |
| 04:46.01 | damo22 | karlpinc: |
| 04:46.01 | damo22 | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-ports unstable main |
| 04:46.01 | damo22 | deb http://ftp.ports.debian.org/debian-ports unreleased main |
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| 04:46.24 | karlpinc | helloman34: Oops. Sorry. Put a -l in there too. |
| 04:46.41 | helloman34 | @karlpinc i promise you thats all it says |
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| 04:47.19 | karlpinc | damo22: Sorry, I'm not good enough with hurd. |
| 04:47.28 | karlpinc | helloman34: (with -l?) |
| 04:47.44 | damo22 | ok no worries |
| 04:47.48 | helloman34 | @is this to show rwe permissions? |
| 04:47.50 | ryouma | somiaj: seems to work now :) thanks to all. |
| 04:48.02 | karlpinc | helloman34: No. I want to see if it is a symlink or a hard link. |
| 04:48.12 | helloman34 | drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4.0K Apr 24 2019 /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 |
| 04:48.32 | helloman34 | @karlpinc thats what I get. Can you explain what this is to me |
| 04:48.39 | karlpinc | helloman34: So it is a regular directory. |
| 04:48.52 | helloman34 | karlpinc root root 4.0K ??? |
| 04:49.00 | karlpinc | helloman34: Likely, it is a copy of some bootable cd or dvd. |
| 04:49.25 | helloman34 | karlpinc yeah thats what it is. Thats how I installed debian on this machine |
| 04:49.32 | ryouma | (still confused why dvd1 worked before but perhaps it wasn't encrypted) |
| 04:49.38 | karlpinc | helloman34: "root" (/root) is the name of root's home directory. |
| 04:49.56 | helloman34 | @karl |
| 04:50.03 | helloman34 | @karlpinc thats confusing |
| 04:50.42 | karlpinc | helloman34: Well I don't know how it got there, but you don't need a copy of the dvd. And especially don't need it filling up /. So you can probably delete the whole thing with 'rm -rf 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9' or similar. |
| 04:51.13 | helloman34 | @karlpinc o god this seems risky as shit |
| 04:51.20 | karlpinc | helloman34: Possibly. But root has to have a home directory. And it shouldn't be in /home in case /home can't be mounted. So it is /root. |
| 04:51.23 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 04:51.24 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 04:52.21 | karlpinc | helloman34: If you're that spooked, change the name to "george" and reboot. If the system still works, delete george. |
| 04:52.45 | helloman34 | @karlpinc how confident are you that this will not screw up my system. (I backed up the system a month ago. not that big a deal) |
| 04:53.07 | damo22 | no, /media/x/UUID is a mounted fs |
| 04:53.16 | karlpinc | helloman34: How did you install? Stick a dvd in the player and boot from it? |
| 04:53.27 | damo22 | he probably has the DVD in the drive |
| 04:53.32 | helloman34 | @karlpinc i installed from bootable usb |
| 04:53.40 | helloman34 | I dont have the dvd in the drive |
| 04:53.47 | damo22 | or the stick plugged in |
| 04:53.48 | karlpinc | damo22: He says he did a lsblk (or findmnt) and there's nothing mounted. |
| 04:53.49 | helloman34 | nothing is in the drive. I am not that lost |
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| 04:54.00 | helloman34 | @damo22 show some respect lol |
| 04:54.07 | damo22 | lol sory |
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| 04:54.45 | helloman34 | @damo22 best to assume most people are totally stupdid. but that would be funny af if that was the problem the entire time |
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| 04:55.16 | damo22 | sudo fdisk -l |
| 04:56.01 | karlpinc | helloman34: It's very probably some filesystem you copied after a mount failed, and you thought you were copying onto removable media. If it were me, I'd just delete it. But since it's you, try changing the directory name and rebooting. That should reassure you. |
| 04:56.28 | helloman34 | @damo22 we already went through this. The entire drive is encrypted but supposedly it doesnt matter |
| 04:57.08 | damo22 | ok ill stay out of it |
| 04:57.09 | karlpinc | helloman34: If you change the name, anything that uses it won't be able to find it. But it will still be there. (Just remember the old name so you can undo, that being the point.) |
| 04:57.49 | helloman34 | @karlpinc how do I change the name. The old name in this case is giovanni right |
| 04:58.06 | damo22 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1134083 |
| 04:58.06 | karlpinc | helloman34: In theory, your system could be broken enough that _something_ is using those files. If that's your problem you have other issues. |
| 04:58.25 | damo22 | what could be causing the above? |
| 04:59.04 | karlpinc | helloman34: You're worried about the 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9, so change it's name. Then you can mess with the other stuff in /media/giovanni/. |
| 04:59.32 | karlpinc | helloman34: Unless you think you need nothing in /media/giovanni/. |
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| 05:01.12 | helloman34 | @karlpinc screw it. Do I need to be in a specific directory to run rm -rf 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 |
| 05:01.33 | karlpinc | helloman34: Possibly something is mounting on /media/giovanni/, at some point. Check fstab. (And I don't know what some fuse fs stuff might do or gui desktop defaults might be.) If the directory does not exist at all then trying to mount on it would be a problem. But for sure it should be empty. (Unless something is mounted on it.) |
| 05:02.24 | karlpinc | helloman34: Put /media/giovanni/ in front of the name to be in any directory to remove it. |
| 05:02.53 | karlpinc | helloman34: (The tab key is your friend.) |
| 05:02.59 | helloman34 | @karlpinc nothing is mounted on 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 so that is not a problem |
| 05:03.50 | karlpinc | helloman34: I'm thinking you may not want to remove the /media/giovanni/ directory. That you'll just want to remove (or move!) its contents. |
| 05:05.09 | karlpinc | (On the other hand, you can always re-create an empty directory easily enough.) |
| 05:05.09 | helloman34 | @karlpinc prefereably i would like to move this to /home where the space is |
| 05:05.52 | karlpinc | helloman34: mv would be the command (or rsync, if you might possibly get interrupted and it will take forever and you don't want to restart from the beginning.) |
| 05:06.26 | karlpinc | rsync just has way too many options. |
| 05:06.27 | helloman34 | karlpinc so while in the directory mv 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 to /home |
| 05:06.59 | karlpinc | helloman34: Yes... But I'd move it to /home/govianni/oddstuff-to-sort-out/ |
| 05:07.33 | karlpinc | helloman34: Because really, 13G is a lot of dust bunnies to leave in the back closet. |
| 05:08.11 | helloman34 | karlpinc i dont follow the analogy |
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| 05:12.10 | helloman34 | karlpinc ok got an error https://paste.debian.net/1134085/ |
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| 05:18.30 | helloman34 | karlpinc i moved it with the wildcard but df still shows root is 100% full ! |
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| 05:24.41 | ryouma | and it is not there? |
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| 05:27.54 | helloman34 | @ryouma yup its gone |
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| 05:28.18 | helloman34 | @ryouma would a restart help you think |
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| 05:30.31 | ryouma | helloman34: the good news: tends to unmount and kill processes. the bad news: might kill something you want or not boot correctly. |
| 05:31.10 | ryouma | just saying save files first etc. |
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| 05:31.40 | helloman34 | @ryouma. I think this might be my sign off. I cant save files cus usb, or hard drive doesnt mount |
| 05:34.08 | helloman34 | @ryouma wait a second. the external hard drive now mounts. ITs the exact same mount point 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 as the one which I moved (when the har drive was not mounted ) im confused as shit |
| 05:34.13 | ryouma | helloman34: i'm sorry, i shouldn't be giving advice as i have not read full scrollback |
| 05:34.38 | helloman34 | @ryouma no big deal |
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| 05:35.29 | helloman34 | before the hard drive didnt mount. Now it does. Also the mount point is the same as that which was moved to /home/ |
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| 07:31.49 | ViperXL75 | hello world |
| 07:32.19 | McErroneous | hey, how do i stop syslog messages from beeing send to my prompt, i changed it a month ago.., i forgot how to change the message priority to be send to syslog , instead of beeing send to prompt |
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| 07:33.44 | jm_ | !printk console |
| 07:33.44 | dpkg | it has been said that printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
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| 07:34.32 | ViperXL75 | Running Debian9 stretch. I'm trying to figure out where to change settings to get my additional mouse buttons to work. Mouse has 'back' and 'forward' and other buttons which are non-responsive now. Where do i go to change them? |
| 07:35.08 | jm_ | ViperXL75: perhaps start by checking if pressing those is detected, you can use evtest for that |
| 07:35.23 | ViperXL75 | ah thx |
| 07:35.24 | ViperXL75 | brb |
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| 07:36.26 | McErroneous | at this point in time..., my prompt get messed up with my firewall packages.../wc |
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| 07:37.56 | jm_ | ahh it's even simpler, xinput --test <id> |
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| 07:42.01 | ViperXL75 | Strange enough "evtest" is not seeing any events/buttons when i press the other buttons. It sees the normal mouse left and rightclick, the mousemovement, the scrolling, but it's as if linux isn't even aware of the existence of the additional buttons. (I have an old Logitech Air mouse MX) |
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| 07:43.45 | jm_ | try xinput --list, find its ID, then xinput --list <ID> - it should show detected buttons |
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| 07:44.19 | jm_ | but I somehow doubt it'll work if evtest doesn't detect them |
| 07:45.02 | ViperXL75 | hmm... on it |
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| 07:58.45 | ViperXL75 | jm_ as you thought.... xinput is not seeing the buttons either. |
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| 07:59.24 | jm_ | ViperXL75: only thing I found is http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Logitech_MX_Air |
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| 09:16.46 | Leoneof | hi, I installed windows on 2nd partition, well you know it won't boot to debian anymore, how to fix grub? i've debian live usb-stick |
| 09:17.05 | jm_ | reinstall grub |
| 09:17.24 | jm_ | !fixmbr |
| 09:17.25 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 09:19.22 | Leoneof | jm_: i was able to fix grub in the past, but not that way, i cannot recall it u_u |
| 09:19.39 | Leoneof | it was easier |
| 09:19.52 | jm_ | booting d-i with rescue option is easier |
| 09:21.17 | Leoneof | alright, rebooting |
| 09:21.18 | Leoneof | brb |
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| 09:35.10 | ViperXL75 | testing |
| 09:35.17 | ViperXL75 | oh i eventualy managed to get in |
| 09:35.22 | ViperXL75 | jm_ thanks for your help |
| 09:35.29 | jm_ | no problem |
| 09:36.52 | ViperXL75 | After reading through a couple of manuals I'm starting to realize I'll have to dive in deeper into the Debian machine. But it's the main machine connected to my living-room TV. Also the one sharing media throughout my house. By just doing 1 restart, I immedately got a question from my wife asking "what r u doing?". |
| 09:37.34 | jm_ | ahh that explains the air mouse :) |
| 09:37.37 | ViperXL75 | So i have to plan a "maintenance window" in order to do this. xD I think i'll dive deeper into it next week. |
| 09:37.55 | ViperXL75 | yeah. In my case I just use Yatse remote on my phone to manage through Kodi. |
| 09:38.01 | ViperXL75 | But ... well.... wifes. :( |
| 09:38.52 | ViperXL75 | She's either playing music from multiroom speakers... or watching movies/series. Which are all dependant on the debian machine. One thing though. |
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| 09:39.49 | ViperXL75 | Initialy i tried to install Windows on the machine (about 11 years ago) and kept getting mysterious disconnects to my linux-mediaplayer. At a certain point i got fed up and installed linux-ubuntu. All i can say is... Holy-crap. |
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| 09:41.03 | ViperXL75 | The thing worked flawlessly for about 8 years flat. Till i decided to install Debian about 3 years ago... and again... flawless reliable steady working. |
| 09:41.07 | ViperXL75 | Linux ftw!!!! |
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| 09:47.04 | ViperXL75 | well i'm leaving for now |
| 09:47.08 | ViperXL75 | thanks alot for your help guys |
| 09:47.09 | ViperXL75 | ciao |
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| 10:11.33 | Leoneof | jm_: fixed grub, thanks |
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| 10:12.42 | WizJin | hello |
| 10:13.03 | WizJin | i need to upgrade libc6 .deb package to a particular version |
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| 10:13.10 | WizJin | dpkg -i gives error saying it would break locales |
| 10:13.11 | dpkg | package gives error saying it would break locales is already installed |
| 10:13.56 | themill | WizJin: Full command and full output would be a good start â paste.debian.net |
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| 10:14.55 | WizJin | https://paste.debian.net/1134099/ |
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| 10:16.39 | themill | You shouldn't be trying to mix stable and testing/unstable like that. It's not going to go well |
| 10:17.20 | WizJin | i need to have that particular version of libc6 somehow, as some other package i want to install depends on that particular version |
| 10:17.36 | themill | yeah, that's a sign that you shouldn't use that other package as it's not designed for your release |
| 10:18.11 | WizJin | actually that package demends newer version of libc, |
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| 10:19.17 | jelly | WizJin: what is the actual package and version that you want installed? |
| 10:19.53 | jelly | typically you'd search for and do a local backport build of a newer version. |
| 10:19.54 | WizJin | i want to install opensips-mysql-module |
| 10:19.58 | WizJin | https://packages.debian.org/sid/net/opensips-mysql-module |
| 10:20.02 | jelly | ,v opensips-mysql-module |
| 10:20.03 | judd | Package: opensips-mysql-module on amd64 -- stretch: 2.2.2-3; sid: 2.2.2-3.1+b3 |
| 10:20.20 | jelly | ,checkbackport opensips-mysql-module --fromrelease sid |
| 10:20.21 | judd | Backporting package opensips-mysql-module in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
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| 10:21.08 | WizJin | if i download and dpkg -i add it, then it says it can not be added as it needs libc6 2.29 |
| 10:21.15 | WizJin | where my build has 2.28 |
| 10:25.24 | WizJin | understood, stretch vs sid |
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| 10:27.46 | jelly | WizJin: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 10:27.58 | WizJin | 10.3 |
| 10:28.26 | jelly | two options: rebuild it from source, or install the package from stretch |
| 10:28.31 | jelly | !ssb |
| 10:28.31 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 10:28.49 | jelly | WizJin: ^ the recipe to rebuild it from source for your installed release |
| 10:29.13 | WizJin | jelly it turned out i dont need that package at all |
| 10:29.17 | WizJin | i can use stretch package |
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| 10:29.24 | WizJin | right ? |
| 10:29.28 | jelly | do NOT install binary deb packages from _newer_ branches. |
| 10:29.49 | WizJin | yea got it |
| 10:29.52 | jelly | using packages from _older_ branches sometimes works. |
| 10:30.04 | WizJin | yea so thats what i am doing |
| 10:30.09 | WizJin | using older version of that package |
| 10:30.27 | jelly | I'd still recommend doing a local build specifically for debian 10. |
| 10:31.40 | WizJin | https://paste.debian.net/1134100/ |
| 10:31.46 | WizJin | can you please check this, |
| 10:31.52 | WizJin | this is two packages dependency i have now |
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| 12:36.39 | jelly | WizJin: if you want to use binary packages from stretch you may have to add repos for stretch to satisfy dependencies. /msg dpkg stretch sources.list |
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| 13:00.20 | tcurdt | what's the best way to report unreasonable package dependencies? |
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| 13:01.49 | themill | tcurdt: getting some advice on them here is a good start |
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| 13:02.45 | dvs | Too many packages rely on libc6! |
| 13:02.56 | tcurdt | themill: prometheus - has dependencies to exim |
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| 13:04.26 | Fox | tcurdt: no |
| 13:04.37 | tcurdt | Fox: yes |
| 13:04.48 | Fox | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), daemon, libjs-bootstrap, libjs-handlebars, libjs-jquery-hotkeys, libjs-rickshaw |
| 13:04.51 | Fox | where ? |
| 13:05.14 | tcurdt | apt-get install prometheus ... The following additional packages will be installed: exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light... |
| 13:05.48 | dvs | ,info prometheus |
| 13:05.49 | judd | Package prometheus (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Monitoring system and time series database. Version: 2.7.1+ds-3+b11; Size: 10710.1k; Installed: 46663k; Homepage: https://prometheus.io/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/prometheus |
| 13:06.14 | Fox | it might need an MTA, any would be ok |
| 13:06.23 | tcurdt | Fox: it does not |
| 13:06.52 | Fox | on my buster prometheus would not install exim, I already have postfix |
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| 13:07.33 | themill | I can't see any dependency chain that would cause exim to be installed if you already have the postfix package installed |
| 13:07.37 | tcurdt | Fox: well, postfix or exim ... the dep to a MTA is not OK from what I can tell |
| 13:07.46 | themill | !apt-recommends |
| 13:07.46 | dpkg | Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>. |
| 13:08.02 | themill | prometheus-node-exporter Recommends smartmontools |
| 13:08.09 | Fox | tcurdt: why not ? prometheus can send mails for alerts, to me it's ok then |
| 13:08.35 | Fox | themill: that's what I'm saying ;) |
| 13:08.53 | Fox | no need for exim because I already have postfix |
| 13:09.24 | Fox | but anyway on my buster prometheus does not seem to need any MTA (look a the Depends line) |
| 13:09.31 | themill | ,why prometheus default-mta |
| 13:09.38 | judd | Packages prometheus and default-mta in buster/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: prometheus ⷠprometheus-node-exporter ⷠsmartmontools ⷠmailx ⶠdefault-mta |
| 13:09.56 | Fox | ok, got it now |
| 13:10.09 | themill | tcurdt: all of those are entirely sensible dependencies and you can choose to not have an m-t-a installed if you wish |
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| 13:11.40 | tcurdt | so an apt install will pick all the maximum possible deps? |
| 13:12.21 | ayekat | it will pick recommended packages by default - you may choose to override/change that behaviour, as explained above |
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| 13:12.52 | themill | tcurdt: what dpkg said a few lines back |
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| 13:13.59 | tcurdt | I thought the first list was required deps - not recommended deps ... my mistake |
| 13:14.26 | joepublic | dependencies are dependencies, recommended are just recommended |
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| 13:14.34 | tcurdt | so there are required, recommendeted and suggested? |
| 13:15.24 | themill | Depends Recommends and Suggests, and the assumption is that Depends and Recommends are installed. |
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| 13:16.48 | tcurdt | alright ... that explains that :) |
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| 13:18.24 | tcurdt | APT::Install-Recommends no <3 |
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| 13:20.26 | SpearRaven | hello |
| 13:20.47 | themill | tcurdt: that is rarely the right thing to do |
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| 13:22.05 | Rozha | hallo some one can help ? |
| 13:22.26 | SpearRaven | what is the issue? |
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| 13:22.52 | Rozha | SpearRaven what better to download for installing from usb |
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| 13:23.18 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 13:23.19 | Rozha | becouse dvd there are 3 files |
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| 13:23.50 | Rozha | SpearRaven and debian edu it is the same ? |
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| 13:26.52 | SpearRaven | I install from here ... https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ |
| 13:27.03 | SpearRaven | it's one file |
| 13:27.39 | Rozha | firmware-10.3.0-i386-DVD-1.iso that one ? |
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| 13:28.04 | SpearRaven | I then went here ... https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 13:28.10 | MaxFrames | any idea why I don't seem to have any "build-key*" file anywhere on my debian openvpn installation? so "./build-key-pass" results in "command not found"? |
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| 13:28.20 | SpearRaven | and pick one of the ISO's |
| 13:28.38 | MaxFrames | it should be etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/ IIRC, but it's not |
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| 13:29.12 | SpearRaven | hope that helps. ok im off for now |
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| 13:29.55 | Rozha | some one use debian edu ? |
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| 13:36.22 | NetTerminalGene | anyone knows what xfce's default text editor? |
| 13:36.46 | eypo | NetTerminalGene, mousepad |
| 13:36.57 | NetTerminalGene | eypo, thnaks |
| 13:37.06 | eypo | NetTerminalGene, you're welcome |
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| 13:39.01 | spigot | anyone know what an xwindows terminal program uses to decide between a system sound bell and pc speaker beep? |
| 13:39.26 | spigot | I didn't think I'd touched anything related to this recently, but it's decided to use both |
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| 13:46.54 | spigot | oh. for those following along at home, ofc I changed something, and it's the compositer? compton is using system sounds through pulseaudio. marco without compton is for some reason using both. at least I have a starting point- was completely stumped! |
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| 14:01.22 | tcurdt | I am having some trouble with my locales on buster ... I am a little lost .... https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/5e91be24244184c10e61fb473d88845e ... any advice? |
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| 14:02.18 | tcurdt | I thought LANG="en_US.UTF-8" in /etc/default/locale should be good enough |
| 14:02.42 | themill | are you sshing in from something? |
| 14:02.53 | tcurdt | yes |
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| 14:03.39 | greycat | LANG= in /etc/default/locale will override whatever locale the ssh client tries to send |
| 14:03.54 | themill | There are some very odd values in that list, particularly LC_C_TYPE |
| 14:04.08 | themill | err LC_CTYPE |
| 14:05.06 | greycat | What does "locale" say (without -a)? Apparently you're setting LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 which is not good. |
| 14:05.34 | greycat | The output of "locale" should show that without quotes, indicating that it's explicitly set. The ones WITH quotes are derived. |
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| 14:06.50 | greycat | I haven't explicitly tested it, but I suspect the LANG= in /etc/default/locale only overrides LANG from the client, not LC_CTYPE from the client. |
| 14:07.56 | themill | that is correct |
| 14:08.06 | tcurdt | greycat: https://gist.github.com/tcurdt/80ac86b22db3c9a823fc69ac428b1738 ... I am also a little puzzled ... I cannot remember generating anything but "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 14:08.39 | themill | I have a recollection of mac ssh clients sending some very odd values for LC_CTYPE |
| 14:08.47 | greycat | As I suspected, see how LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 has no quotes around it? That's explicitly set in your environment. Probably from the ssh client. |
| 14:09.04 | greycat | It could also be coming from one of your shell dot files on the server. |
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| 14:09.15 | tcurdt | odd |
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| 14:10.03 | tcurdt | the dot files are still standard buster ... nothing in there |
| 14:10.33 | tcurdt | is there a way to check what ssh sends? ssh verbose? |
| 14:10.50 | greycat | Is your ssh client not unix-based? No way to run "locale" in the shell before you run ssh? |
| 14:11.11 | tcurdt | connecting from macOS to buster |
| 14:11.21 | themill | !mac locales |
| 14:11.22 | dpkg | If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). |
| 14:11.26 | greycat | hah |
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| 14:12.03 | tcurdt | wow |
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| 14:12.55 | tcurdt | debug1: Sending env LC_CTYPE = UTF-8 .... there it is |
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| 14:14.02 | greycat | I'm still curious whether that's actually in the interactive shell locale on the Mac client box. |
| 14:14.42 | tcurdt | it really is |
| 14:14.56 | tcurdt | wonder why |
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| 14:15.44 | themill | CTYPE is an encoding so it sort of makes sense for it to be only the encoding and not with a language/country prefix |
| 14:17.02 | themill | I'm also surprised that in the decade since I wrote that factoid glibc hasn't learnt to deal with that |
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| 14:17.56 | zodd | / #python |
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| 14:18.56 | tcurdt | what still is puzzeling: from the ssh man page "The default is not to send any environment variables" |
| 14:19.27 | f8e3 | does debian have a install command for some bin, to cp into right place to setting permissions, it had some but i forgot |
| 14:19.33 | greycat | /etc/ssh/ssh_config overrides that compiled-in default |
| 14:19.47 | greycat | and, at least on Debian, ssh_config has SendEnv LANG LC_* |
| 14:20.18 | greycat | f8e3: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:20.48 | themill | !man install |
| 14:20.49 | dpkg | man install is probably at http://manpages.debian.org/install where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
| 14:20.56 | themill | f8e3: ^^ is that what you're looking for? |
| 14:22.40 | tcurdt | hm ... shouldn't "SendEnv -LC_CTYPE" do the job? |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | TIAS |
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| 14:25.14 | tcurdt | "TIAS"? |
| 14:25.43 | greycat | !TIAS |
| 14:25.43 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 14:26.07 | tcurdt | ah .. that one I didn't know :) |
| 14:26.23 | tcurdt | I tried and it's not working ... hence my asking |
| 14:26.38 | tcurdt | still seeing it in the debug log |
| 14:26.57 | greycat | You had two lines, "SendEnv LANG LC_*" and "SendEnv -LC_TYPE", and it didn't work? |
| 14:27.27 | tcurdt | just the one: SendEnv -LC_CTYPE |
| 14:27.40 | greycat | well, that would send *nothing* |
| 14:28.16 | tcurdt | well, that would be great, too :) |
| 14:28.20 | greycat | (except TERM, which is special) |
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| 14:29.14 | tcurdt | I guess something must be overriding my SendEnv then |
| 14:29.31 | greycat | ~/.ssh/config could do it |
| 14:29.44 | greycat | or command-line arguments explicitly given to ssh |
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| 14:30.35 | tcurdt | ~/.ssh/config is where I added just the -LC_TYPE and I am not giving it any cli arguments ... odd |
| 14:30.35 | apt | ...but /.ssh/config is already something else... |
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| 14:31.05 | tcurdt | is checking the debug log |
| 14:31.30 | tcurdt | found it |
| 14:31.58 | greycat | oh, so actually left "SendEnv LANG LC_*" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, and you added "SendEnv -LC_CTYPE" in ~/.ssh/ssh_config? Then it should have worked, if my reading of the man page is correct, and if your version of ssh is modern enough to match the man page I'm reading. |
| 14:32.29 | greycat | but I haven't tested any of this |
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| 14:32.45 | tcurdt | greycat: the log shows that my ~/.ssh/config get applied BEFORE it overridden by /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 14:33.09 | tcurdt | which is - unexpected |
| 14:33.21 | themill | ssh_config(5) actually says that |
| 14:33.57 | themill | for most things, that works because it's the *first* setting that is the relevant one; for your use of "-" that's not the case, unfortunately |
| 14:34.33 | greycat | I'm not sure how "the first obtaibed value will be used" mixes with "Multiple environment variables may be separated by whitespace or spread across multiple SendEnv directives" |
| 14:34.56 | themill | SendEnv is a bit special |
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| 14:39.42 | tcurdt | somehow I read the man page differently ... cli > user config > system config ... which would make sense to me |
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| 14:42.50 | tcurdt | just changed the /etc/ssh/ssh_config and now it's LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 14:42.51 | themill | tcurdt: yes, but the - syntax is trying to remove a setting that doesn't exist yet |
| 14:43.55 | themill | tcurdt: - is saying "clear a previously set SendEnv" but nothing was previously set by the time that was read. |
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| 14:47.25 | tcurdt | themill: well, if I think about it as sets and I apply them in the order of cli > user > system I don't see a reason why there should be a problem |
| 14:47.55 | themill | except it is quite explicitly not |
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| 14:48.23 | themill | «It is possible to clear previously set SendEnv variable names by prefixing patterns with -. » 'previously' is important. |
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| 14:49.17 | themill | This is also the sort of thing that will never get changed because that sort of behaviour change will have people ranting for years to come. |
| 14:49.53 | tcurdt | themill: sorry, but I don't read that the way you do |
| 14:50.00 | tcurdt | but I agree - it's the way it is |
| 14:50.09 | tcurdt | and it works now for me :) |
| 14:50.18 | tcurdt | so ... thanks for all the help! |
| 14:50.34 | tcurdt | but I still think this is a "WTF" :) |
| 14:51.28 | themill | If it hasn't been previously set it can't be cleared. If it's set until the 3rd place from which the config is read, it can't be unset in the 2nd place. |
| 14:51.34 | jelly | previously there was no way to UnSendEnv; that it exists now and is applied at not the right time is... unsurprising |
| 14:51.56 | jelly | they'll get it right some day |
| 14:51.56 | greycat | clearly the solution is to put *two* SendEnv lines in ~/.ssh/config |
| 14:52.31 | themill | greycat: except I assume it would get added back again at the end |
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| 14:52.48 | jelly | still comments out the global settings and shrugs |
| 14:53.06 | tcurdt | greycat: I can try - but I doubt it as the system config is applied last |
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| 14:54.05 | f8e3 | yes, man install perfect |
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| 14:57.31 | tcurdt | greycat: as I expected from the debug log the two SendEnv do not help |
| 14:57.50 | tcurdt | the sytem wide config overides the user config |
| 15:00.04 | tcurdt | also tried "SendEnv LANG LC_* -LC_CTYPE" which did not work either |
| 15:00.43 | tcurdt | removing the system wide config and setting just setting without a wildcard in ~/.ssh/config it is |
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| 15:06.04 | no_gravity | Is there a way to set the dirctory name in "wget -r"? |
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| 15:07.00 | iMPERiUS | hello, any idea how can i fix this? |
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| 15:07.02 | iMPERiUS | Trace/breakpoint trap |
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| 15:08.48 | thms | Hi. When I use gnt-instance console, I can see the boot messages, but once it's booted, I do not get the possibility to login. I figure something is wrong with my inittab, but do not really know where to look. |
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| 15:10.10 | f-a | hello, I am having trouble running a python program. http://www.ariis.it/link/t/paste28438-0 I ask here because I have `apt-get install python3-libtcod` so I am weirded out by the error |
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| 15:21.31 | zodd | f-a, have you checked the package doc/readme? (ie are you sure about the naming?) |
| 15:22.32 | zodd | you can also check the python library installation path |
| 15:23.05 | f-a | zodd: https://kkairos.itch.io/uc this is the package . I am not a pythonista, what do you mean with naming? |
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| 15:36.09 | zodd | f-a that module sucks. So does its documentation. Correct name to use for imports is (after some trial and error): libtcodpy |
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| 15:38.23 | f-a | zodd: thanks, so : import libtcodpy, libtcodpy.event ? |
| 15:38.52 | zodd | I have not checked the second one, but probably: yes |
| 15:40.16 | Rozha | hello if my PC have intel i must install i386 ? |
| 15:40.30 | greycat | if it's 64-bit capable, use amd64 |
| 15:40.39 | greycat | use i386 if it's 32-bit only |
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| 15:42.06 | jelly | Rozha: which cpu model is in there? |
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| 15:48.41 | joepublic | !asq fails |
| 15:48.41 | dpkg | Thank you for asking, $1. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time. |
| 15:49.21 | Ede|Popede | \$1? |
| 15:49.41 | Haohmaru | $YOUR_NAME_HERE |
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| 15:50.26 | Ede|Popede | pretty sure dpkg was meant to insert it, yes. |
| 15:50.45 | Haohmaru | dpkg r u drunk? |
| 15:50.47 | dpkg | Haohmaru: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:50.52 | greycat | It's probably the $1. thing that's confusing it. |
| 15:51.11 | greycat | other CMD: factoids with $1 as a separate word seem to work... |
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| 15:51.14 | greycat | !pal dpkg |
| 15:51.14 | dpkg | points at dpkg and laughs uproariously |
| 15:51.45 | greycat | it's jelly's factoid, and I'm not sure what he's aiming for, so he can fix it |
| 15:52.19 | Haohmaru | dpkg who's your father? |
| 15:52.21 | dpkg | Haohmaru: are you using Windows? |
| 15:53.15 | jelly | oh, that's halfway done |
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| 15:57.53 | etr | hi, nothing debian specific, I'm using a distro based on debian (mx linux). Anyway I was learning more about file/directory permissions, and have set some binaries' (more specifically wine* executables) ownership to wine:wine and permissions to 04755 (-rwtr-xr-x) with the intention of sandboxing wine (running under user 'wine') away from my home folder. But I'm not successful having the binaries running as 'wine'. They keep running |
| 15:57.53 | etr | as 'etr'. Noteworthy is that the system resides inside a USB connected HDD. But although it's a removable drive, the system is residing there so from the point of the system there shouldn't be a security issue with setuid, right ? And if that's not the cause, then what may be the cause ? |
| 15:58.17 | etr | tif I'm offtopic let me know, thank you. |
| 15:58.23 | etr | *if |
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| 15:59.29 | greycat | (1) yes, you're off topic, (2) your "ls -l" output is a lie, because setuid isn't "t", (3) is that even a Unix file system, (4) is the program you're trying to break a script, or compiled |
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| 16:00.16 | etr | sorry i meant "rws" (i was testing sticky permission as well..) |
| 16:00.31 | etr | on folders, not wine* |
| 16:01.41 | etr | of course it is, because wine executables reside in /usr/bin, and that's the system partition (ext4 as a matter of fact) |
| 16:02.01 | greycat | so you're just breaking all of the security on your system for fun |
| 16:02.09 | greycat | or trying to... |
| 16:03.14 | etr | how ? I have given ownesrship of wine executabels to wine:wine (user wine group wine) |
| 16:03.35 | pasiz | so you use wine with user wine? |
| 16:03.37 | etr | so setuid should cause the exe execute as wine |
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| 16:03.46 | greycat | Answer question 4. |
| 16:04.00 | etr | trying to permit other users launching wine, as wine |
| 16:04.18 | pasiz | then modify group, not user |
| 16:04.30 | pasiz | and give execute permission to group |
| 16:04.33 | etr | what program ? I'm running wine |
| 16:04.51 | etr | do you know what Wine is ? |
| 16:05.26 | pasiz | yes, it is not an emulator, and i know something of *nix user access |
| 16:05.36 | greycat | etr: Answer question #4. Is the program you are trying to alter a compiled program, or a script? |
| 16:05.59 | etr | wtah ? Alter what ? |
| 16:06.19 | jelly | etr: forget setuids, configure sudo instead. |
| 16:06.25 | etr | You mean winecfg ? |
| 16:06.46 | etr | well wincfg could be a pythin script let me check |
| 16:06.55 | pasiz | what a toothpulling |
| 16:06.55 | greycat | Three refusals. It was a simple request, and it was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING MANDATORY to get an answer to it. Off topic, refuses to cooperate, cannot be helped. *plonk* |
| 16:07.37 | jelly | (winecfg is a tiny shell script wrapper) |
| 16:07.39 | etr | Guys are you kids ? |
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| 16:07.51 | pasiz | etr: are u |
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| 16:08.00 | greycat | (scripts, shell or otherwise, cannot be setuid) |
| 16:08.04 | etr | not unless 40+ years a re kids |
| 16:08.10 | jelly | (... on Linux) |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | (they said they're using MX Linux) |
| 16:08.36 | jelly | ah, that exclude kfreebsd :-) |
| 16:08.42 | martinus__ | Hi, can anyone clarify why mongodb isn't available in debian buster (from debian's repository I mean) ? Is it a licence issue or something else ? |
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| 16:09.08 | jelly | judd: bug rm mongodb |
| 16:09.11 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/947743 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mongodb -- RoQA; rc-buggy; un-upgreadable due to license issues; not part of stable; preventing some py2rm work»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-12-29; last modified: 2020-02-23. |
| 16:09.31 | jelly | martinus__: so it's license among some other bits. |
| 16:09.46 | etr | anyway winecfg i a binary (a symlink to one actually) |
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| 16:10.12 | pasiz | etr: what are you trying to do, exactly |
| 16:10.34 | pasiz | run binaries under wine username? |
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| 16:11.26 | pasiz | how about the sudo that is pointed out |
| 16:12.45 | etr | pasiz, I have created a wine user (including wine group), given ownership of wine executables to those, and trying to permit normal users (in this case by normal user account) to launch wine as user 'wine' (instead of as 'etr' user), so that it will keep it's (program's activities) inside it's own home folder, instead of mine. |
| 16:13.29 | etr | *(in this case my normal user aaccount) |
| 16:14.35 | etr | I know about sudo, but as a mission to learn everything knowledgeworthy, I want to accomplish this with setuid first |
| 16:14.40 | Ede|Popede | it's an option for a one-user system, but multiple real users having access to everything in ~wine, meh. |
| 16:14.52 | martinus__ | jelly: thanks ! I don't understand where to find the detail of the explanation about the licence issue from the bug report |
| 16:18.39 | Ede|Popede | etr: sudo to user `wine` and then do something. files should get created in ~wine and not in ~etr. |
| 16:19.08 | Ede|Popede | sudo is even more flexible as it lets you decide which users are able to use it and which not |
| 16:19.49 | etr | Ede|Popede, it's a good start, later I will give give rwx ownership to prefixes in my own home folder (like ~/Wine/ProgramX etc) |
| 16:20.41 | Ede|Popede | etr: you're the only real user? |
| 16:21.21 | etr | * yes, for now |
| 16:21.28 | dob1 | can an user be able to create an ssh tunnel but not to login ? |
| 16:21.54 | dob1 | I don't know if it's clear |
| 16:22.11 | Ede|Popede | etr: so you plan to add more users. why not placing executables of all kind into /usr/local and just the data into $HOME? |
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| 16:22.44 | etr | Ede|Popede, i know sudo, I know it and sure I will do that later (although it's one of the strangest formats out there) |
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| 16:24.07 | etr | Ede|Popede, /user/local instead of /usr/bin ? why ? |
| 16:24.20 | raidghost | How to calculate lifetime on a harddrive? Is it hours on or amount of read/write ? |
| 16:24.31 | Ede|Popede | etr: took me some time to get used to it, there was su in the past. but not having to transmit the root password over the network and having control who can get root (and other) access without the need to spread the root pw is a good thing |
| 16:24.38 | Ede|Popede | !fhs |
| 16:24.38 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 16:24.49 | raidghost | Got 1 drive missing in my raid setup. Does not show up in system. So wonder if the drive just got fed up with write/read |
| 16:24.54 | Ede|Popede | /usr/local is sysadmin's playground |
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| 16:25.35 | raidghost | Got 1 drive missing in my raid setup. Does not show up in system. So wonder if the drive just got fed up with write/read |
| 16:25.43 | etr | Ede|Popede, but what will that solve for me ? |
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| 16:26.34 | Ede|Popede | etr: not using /usr/bin will keep you out of the minefield. not using $HOME will keep it flexible. usable for multiple users in /home. |
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| 16:27.58 | Ede|Popede | though there's also /opt. maybe a good place for wine, since what happens in it is not related to the underlying system anymore. /opt/wine and everything else below it. |
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| 16:28.17 | etr | Ede|Popede, apt decides where to put binaries, do you mean I should copy ? either case, what is the point of putting binaries in another shared directory (is it root-only in permissions ?) |
| 16:28.49 | Ede|Popede | etr: /usr/local is mostly a copy of the structure from / with some directories missing. |
| 16:29.37 | Ede|Popede | etr: exactly. the binary is in ...bin/wine and your own stuff shouldn't go there, including programs you want to install w/o apt. |
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| 16:31.01 | etr | ede, you mean having a /usr/local installation of wine so that apt program updates don't replace wine executables (and implicitly reset ownership and permissions) ? |
| 16:32.30 | Ede|Popede | etr: usually there's no need to mess around in aptland. /etc has some .d subdirectories so you don't even have to touch the original configs (too much). and if you need to put your own stuff somewhere (not using apt*), there's $HOME /usr/local /opt. i don't even like placing my web content into /var/www for some reason. |
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| 16:33.15 | Ede|Popede | etr: no, just the things you will place into your fs without apt's help. like stuff you plan to run under wine. |
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| 16:34.42 | etr | Ede|Popede, I don't plan to compile wine, and I don't know where to get "zipped" builds of wine to place there. |
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| 16:37.10 | etr | *afk* |
| 16:37.15 | Ede|Popede | etr: no, i meant the windows programs you would run there. |
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| 16:41.45 | etr | Ede|Popede, you mean prefixes inside /usr/local/somewhere and (with winecfg) map windows Desktop/Documents/Pictures/etc to $HOME/Ditto ? |
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| 16:43.12 | etr | But I wanted to keep wine programs away from my home folder |
| 16:45.37 | etr | *back in 2 hours* |
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| 16:45.56 | Ede|Popede | etr: this would happen anyway if you run it as user 'wine'. no idea though how wine manages its files and what winecfg does. but beware, having such a setup in a multiuser system you would end up with all documents and configs belonging to the same user, thus killing unixlike user separation |
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| 17:00.58 | HeIIo | this is the + venerable distro |
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| 17:01.39 | snake-venom | i am trying to install sudo apt install mariadb-server mariadb-client . its stuck all time from 87-90% , please suggestion |
| 17:01.58 | greycat | ctrl-c and do it again, hope you get a more lively mirror |
| 17:03.43 | snake-venom | greycat, i think you are right, in back i have changed the mirror to nearest.. can you suggest which mirror will be best in india ? or near by ? |
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| 17:04.17 | greycat | I cannot. You'll just have to try things and see what works best. You know about deb.debian.org? |
| 17:04.21 | greycat | !deb.debian.org |
| 17:04.21 | dpkg | deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See http://deb.debian.org/ for more details. |
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| 17:04.34 | greycat | that may be best for some, not-best for others |
| 17:05.40 | greycat | the fact that you got 80%+ of the download on the first try seems to indicate that your mirror selection was OK, and maybe what I initially said (ctrl-c and try again) would have finished it |
| 17:06.26 | snake-venom | :) i stopped it and now its throwing E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock |
| 17:06.36 | greycat | need to be root |
| 17:07.13 | greycat | (Either that, or you didn't really stop the first one.) |
| 17:07.38 | HeIIo | https://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-linux-was-the-most-vulnerable-operating-system-in-the-last-20-years-529387.shtml |
| 17:07.47 | snake-venom | hm . selecting the best one mirror.. then i will try again .. |
| 17:08.17 | greycat | most vulnerable because it had the most bugs reported because it has the most packages and the most users...? |
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| 17:10.18 | HeIIo | dont you just love fonts with II=ll ? |
| 17:10.31 | greycat | yeah, I just can't make any sense out of their methodology, even looking at the original article |
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| 17:10.56 | greycat | they've got a chart where "Debian GNU/Linux" is in the same field as "Linux kernel" and "Linux" and "Google Chrome" |
| 17:11.23 | greycat | heiio: I hate them. |
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| 17:48.35 | NetTerminalGene | i am experiencing lag at launching on both gedit and mousepad on gnome |
| 17:49.04 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: did you try xfce yet? |
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| 17:49.12 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, not yet |
| 17:49.17 | jelly | why not? |
| 17:49.37 | NetTerminalGene | multiple reasons |
| 17:49.42 | NetTerminalGene | i need to backup |
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| 17:49.58 | NetTerminalGene | and i need to set it up after installation |
| 17:50.00 | NetTerminalGene | laziness |
| 17:50.59 | jelly | you will understand if some of the volunteers in here are too lazy to comment on the same issue two days in a row, then |
| 17:51.29 | NetTerminalGene | owww |
| 17:52.10 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: you can test xfce without reinstalling |
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| 17:52.24 | NetTerminalGene | mtn, it will work on ram |
| 17:52.31 | mtn | eh? |
| 17:52.47 | NetTerminalGene | don't you mean live? |
| 17:53.00 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: no. are you just running a live disk? |
| 17:53.09 | NetTerminalGene | no |
| 17:53.18 | Ede|Popede | you can have as many DEs installed as you want |
| 17:53.19 | NetTerminalGene | i am on gnome |
| 17:53.33 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: the just install xfce. log out. choose xfce. log in |
| 17:53.41 | NetTerminalGene | Ede|Popede, i don't want to mess my system |
| 17:54.01 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: only use xfce with a new user, then. keep things clean for the first user |
| 17:54.04 | Ede|Popede | you won't. debian doesn't originate in Redmond. |
| 17:54.13 | mtn | :) |
| 17:54.35 | Ede|Popede | install just basic xfce and remember the package list. you may purge them later |
| 17:54.48 | NetTerminalGene | no |
| 17:55.01 | jelly | don't remember, log output when installing. |
| 17:55.01 | mtn | heh |
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| 17:55.19 | jelly | remembering is for dumb people |
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| 17:57.06 | NetTerminalGene | so, the lag i experienced with mousepad (xfce's default text editor) will happen on xfce or it is because i use gnome? |
| 17:57.35 | Ede|Popede | is your system on a SSD? |
| 17:57.37 | jelly | you will know the answer to that if you try a non-gnome |
| 17:57.43 | greycat | "I'm in gnome, and it's lagging" usually points to GPU firmware/driver issues. |
| 17:57.52 | greycat | beyond that, good luck |
| 17:57.54 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: that is pretty much why it was suggested |
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| 17:58.17 | NetTerminalGene | Ede|Popede, yes |
| 17:58.31 | Ede|Popede | so maybe not swapping |
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| 17:58.58 | NetTerminalGene | Ede|Popede, mpv launches immediately for example |
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| 17:59.30 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: do you see the lag if you run mousepad from a terminal? |
| 17:59.39 | Ede|Popede | mpv is much more lightweighted i'd say. it's the video which needs the RAM later xD |
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| 18:01.00 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, ahha, it gives me warning |
| 18:01.26 | NetTerminalGene | Gtk-WARNING **: 21:00:47.135: Theme parsing error: <data>:6:28: The style property GtkWidget:focus-padding is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version |
| 18:01.30 | greycat | just one? |
| 18:01.37 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, no |
| 18:01.45 | greycat | man, a gtk program that only gives ONE... oh, never mind |
| 18:02.08 | NetTerminalGene | same 5 error |
| 18:02.24 | NetTerminalGene | so, it is because gnome? |
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| 18:02.45 | greycat | gtk spews so many warnings at even the best of times that it's damned hard to figure out if there's an actual issue |
| 18:02.57 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: it might be.that is why you troubleshoot |
| 18:03.14 | mtn | NetTerminalGene: no way to know, otherwise |
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| 18:06.02 | NetTerminalGene | i want to try with another lightweight text editor. do you guys know any? |
| 18:06.09 | greycat | vim |
| 18:06.17 | NetTerminalGene | -_- |
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| 18:06.26 | NetTerminalGene | except that |
| 18:06.33 | greycat | nano |
| 18:06.33 | Ede|Popede | more lightweight than xfce's? hmm... xedit? |
| 18:07.33 | jelly | ,depends mousepad |
| 18:07.34 | judd | Package mousepad in buster/amd64 -- depends: dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.41.1), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.16.2), libgtksourceview-3.0-1 (>= 2.91.4), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0). |
| 18:07.39 | jelly | ,depends leafpad |
| 18:07.40 | judd | No package named 'leafpad' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 18:08.10 | jelly | ,v leafpad |
| 18:08.12 | judd | Package: leafpad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.18.1-4; stretch: 0.8.18.1-5 |
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| 18:14.12 | NetTerminalGene | yes. it launches late because of that error |
| 18:14.24 | NetTerminalGene | i believe it won't happen on xfce |
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| 18:14.50 | NetTerminalGene | some guy removed /.themes icons |
| 18:14.54 | NetTerminalGene | and it worked |
| 18:15.35 | jelly | NetTerminalGene: the existence of an error messages does not necessarily mean it's related to any delay in window appearance |
| 18:15.52 | jelly | "correlation is not causation", as they say |
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| 18:16.28 | NetTerminalGene | jelly, but it launches after those warnings |
| 18:16.48 | NetTerminalGene | i can see the miliseconds of appearing them |
| 18:17.16 | NetTerminalGene | 5 of them |
| 18:17.54 | jelly | you still can't say "because of", you can say "after" |
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| 18:18.24 | jelly | they may be symptoms of the same issue, or they may be unrelated |
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| 18:27.21 | NetTerminalGene | anyone tried mxlinux here? |
| 18:27.50 | greycat | !mx linux |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type in this channel: !why debian |
| 18:28.34 | NetTerminalGene | -_- |
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| 18:30.07 | NetTerminalGene | i hate gnome launches software-center and evolution services >.< |
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| 18:32.02 | Ede|Popede | the factoid says "an <Outlook> clone". good reason to abandon it ;) |
| 18:32.54 | greycat | !why debian |
| 18:32.54 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 18:33.50 | NetTerminalGene | greycat, STFU, man |
| 18:33.57 | greycat | *plonk* |
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| 18:34.46 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 18:34.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:35.09 | Ede|Popede | the problem is only (in answer to the last sentence of the factoid) that often you *have* to ask questions in #debian. "go away with your broken distro version". not sure if it concerns debian only though. |
| 18:36.22 | greycat | according to alis, there are also ##mx-linux (4 users) and #mxlinux (9 users) both of which claim to be the unofficial MX Linux freenode support channel |
| 18:37.41 | greycat | Ede|Popede: the people who feel they "have to" ask question in #debian even though they're not using Debian were often kicked out or ignored by their distro's channel because they're stupid people, or stupid questions. |
| 18:38.08 | greycat | Not always, but pretty damned often. |
| 18:39.19 | greycat | The overwhelming majority of the *others* are cases where the distro's channel really doesn't know, because the distro's supporters are not very clever, because the distro itself is marketed as not-very-clever people. See ubuntu. |
| 18:39.43 | Ede|Popede | greycat: no, the other way round. asking questions on packages delivered with debian in the particular channel and letting them know (willingly or not) that one's on debian. like the (dis|en)enable(mod|host(?)) scripts are generally considered broken. |
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| 18:40.38 | jelly | Ede|Popede: also known as "noone reads README.Debian" |
| 18:40.39 | Ede|Popede | heh yeah. and by far too many distros, really. there should be a good reason to start a new one, not just because of some default packages after base install |
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| 18:40.51 | greycat | it is an exceedingly RARE case where a user comes in here with an actual bug in the Debian packaging that their downstream package is based upon |
| 18:41.11 | greycat | usually it's bullshit like "I'm trying to make /usr/bin/winecfg setuid and it doesn't work help me I'm on MX Linux" |
| 18:43.17 | Ede|Popede | as someone new to linux i'd choose a distribution with good support nowadays. i didn't even have internet when i installed my first slackware and then hamm. 2 CDs, man. the whole distro. |
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| 18:43.52 | greycat | you started with CDs? youngster. |
| 18:44.08 | Ede|Popede | back then a good beginner's book and the docs on these discs (and maybe some other, walnut creek anyone?) were enough |
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| 18:44.41 | Ede|Popede | i started late. you can't imagine how shitty the situation was in schools here while Linus was uploading his kernel :) |
| 18:44.52 | jelly | !tomsrtbt |
| 18:44.52 | dpkg | methinks tomsrtbt is a single floppy linux distribution made to fulfill a last-hope need or at http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 18:45.07 | jelly | dpkg, factinfo tomsrtbt |
| 18:45.08 | dpkg | tomsrtbt -- it has been requested 24 times, last by jelly, 15s ago. |
| 18:45.21 | jelly | so old it doesn't even have a birth date |
| 18:45.23 | greycat | "we didn't have calendars back then" |
| 18:45.30 | Ede|Popede | heh, already forgot it |
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| 18:46.17 | Ede|Popede | btw, what is the thing with that snoopy calendar from i think 1977? found it in a list of "things a geek must have in his room" |
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| 18:46.41 | _Fremen_ | hello everyone |
| 18:48.08 | _Fremen_ | I using a Dell laptop with Debian KDE and having problems with HDMI and dual monitors. I searched this and it is pretty common and not solvable in most cases. Is there a good hardware and driver management software for debian I can use? |
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| 18:51.33 | valdyn | _Fremen_: why do you think its not solvable in most cases? |
| 18:51.40 | valdyn | _Fremen_: just use xrandr |
| 18:52.22 | greycat | (also: what GPU, what is the actual issue, have you installed nonfree firmware...) |
| 18:55.05 | _Fremen_ | valdyn, I tried a lot of different solutions online and none of them work |
| 18:55.53 | _Fremen_ | it is caused by nvidia prime technology and linux is not too compatible right now |
| 18:56.32 | _Fremen_ | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell_XPS_15_7590 |
| 18:56.52 | _Fremen_ | greycat, yes I installed non free and free firmware and tried it |
| 18:57.01 | _Fremen_ | nothing work :( |
| 18:57.40 | _Fremen_ | I just seen a dell support comment about it could be hardware but I could get a glimpse of screen on linut mint live boot |
| 18:57.53 | _Fremen_ | so I assuming it is software? |
| 18:58.13 | _Fremen_ | I am thinking of trying VGA to USB converters rather than HDMI port |
| 18:58.19 | _Fremen_ | to bypass this technology |
| 18:58.27 | _Fremen_ | what are your thoughts? |
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| 18:59.39 | _Fremen_ | anyway I need to go, sorry for not being here, have a nice day :). |
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| 19:02.59 | DammitJim | how is it possible that I can ssh into a debian box for a user and provide 2 different passwords? |
| 19:03.30 | greycat | More detail required. |
| 19:03.52 | DammitJim | someone just did: ssh dammit@jim.com and used password testPassword |
| 19:03.57 | DammitJim | and successfully logged in |
| 19:04.09 | DammitJim | then they did: ssh dammit@jim.com and used password crazyPassword |
| 19:04.17 | DammitJim | and they were able to successfully log on |
| 19:04.28 | DammitJim | I don't understand how that's possible |
| 19:04.57 | greycat | Were you able to duplicate this feat? Maybe they're just mistaken. |
| 19:05.08 | DammitJim | yeah, I did |
| 19:05.34 | ratrace | nowai |
| 19:05.43 | greycat | Maybe your system has been compromised. |
| 19:05.45 | ratrace | unless borked pam config something something |
| 19:05.59 | DammitJim | ratrace, I can believe a borked pam config |
| 19:06.04 | greycat | I was thinking borked sshd, but yeah, PAM could do it. |
| 19:06.06 | DammitJim | someone was just messing with that the other day! |
| 19:06.12 | DammitJim | DAMMIT! |
| 19:06.12 | ratrace | $1M question. can you ssh with "hahanotarealpass"? |
| 19:06.32 | DammitJim | OMG... good question!!! |
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| 19:10.32 | HeIIo | is there a package that uses all other packages as dependency? |
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| 19:10.51 | greycat | Not possible. There are mutual exclusions (X and Y cannot coexist). |
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| 19:12.31 | HeIIo | i would not accept a package that isnt DE/Wm aggnostic |
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| 19:18.05 | darsie | Why is Phoronix Test Suite not in debian? "The Phoronix Test Suite is licensed under the GNU GPLv3 free software license." |
| 19:18.07 | jelly | HeIIo: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:19.27 | HeIIo | Why is open-source nuclear power plant blueprints not in debian? |
| 19:20.59 | jelly | darsie: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/phoronix-test-suite it appears it was packaged at some point, but abandoned |
| 19:21.19 | darsie | ok ... |
| 19:21.26 | greycat | HeIIo appears to be trolling. They've been asking things like this for a few hours now. |
| 19:21.28 | jelly | darsie: someone needs to care about the package |
| 19:21.31 | darsie | mhm |
| 19:21.53 | HeIIo | https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a31206108/open-source-blueprints-tiny-nuclear-reactor/ |
| 19:22.18 | darsie | Can you suggest a CPU benchmark with published results so I can compare my system? |
| 19:22.56 | jelly | HeIIo: this isn't really a chat channel, best keep quiet unless you have a Debian tech support question. We have a #debian-offtopic, and there's also ##chat for chat |
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| 19:35.12 | aZz7eCh | hi #deb. this might be a silly question so I'll apologise up front ... but, is there any way to stay on buster, but roll back gnome and everything else to the previous version debian had ? |
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| 19:35.46 | greycat | (a) no. (b) what is "everything else"? (c) no. (d) why? |
| 19:36.47 | aZz7eCh | b) = behaviours, nautilus, c) wayland issues with teamviewer, compatibility issues with virtualbox, |
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| 19:37.40 | greycat | if it's just Wayland, you can select "gnome on Xorg" during login |
| 19:37.52 | greycat | or maybe it's named "gnome on X11", I forget |
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| 19:40.05 | aZz7eCh | wayland, causing teamviewer and virtualbox issues, is one thing.. as a daily desktop productivity environment, a lof of things have gone to hell ... namely biggest problem is nautilus ... this new version BLOWS and we've not been able to come up with a solution. are workplace uses MILLIONS of serparate files for everything ... we can no longer search our systems using nautilus because it grapples for ANY results isntead of specific results .. |
| 19:40.07 | aZz7eCh | okay so ... |
| 19:40.12 | aZz7eCh | you most answer was No... |
| 19:40.25 | aZz7eCh | so it might be easier for us to no proceed and just roll back to previous version for now? |
| 19:40.32 | greycat | that's certainly an option |
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| 19:41.19 | somiaj | note that desktop support in stretch will end soon (I think some browsers have already lost security support). |
| 19:41.29 | aZz7eCh | lord dont tell me that |
| 19:41.34 | somiaj | I personally would see if just using xorg (which is still an option) fixes all your issues. |
| 19:41.44 | aZz7eCh | it wont fix the new nautilus behaviour |
| 19:41.49 | greycat | stretch should still be fully supported for another few months |
| 19:41.49 | aZz7eCh | and thats the biggggest issue by far |
| 19:42.11 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: what is exactly the issue with nautilus? |
| 19:42.50 | aZz7eCh | valdyn, so as i pointed out ... our systems are filled with endless files, named appropriately. it has always allowed us to simply open nautilus and start typing something for the file we're looking for and bammo you have it in seconds. |
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| 19:43.15 | aZz7eCh | under the new nautilus... when we start typing keywords, it pulls out ANY result, relevant or not, in endless unsortable lists of files ... |
| 19:43.31 | valdyn | works fine for me right now |
| 19:43.32 | aZz7eCh | has basically caused a massive stumbling block and slowed us down for months now |
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| 19:44.10 | aZz7eCh | half the time we do not have much option and have to manually go searchign for the file |
| 19:46.27 | aZz7eCh | i mean not only is it bringing up file names that might have SOMETHING to do with keyword you're typing, it brings up results who's file contents might involve the keyword(s) ... its definitely completely foriegn to nautilus in strech |
| 19:46.52 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: maybe its using something like tracker |
| 19:47.07 | valdyn | a7250ag: which in turn might index files by content |
| 19:47.17 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: which in turn might index files by content |
| 19:48.02 | aZz7eCh | ((there isn't by chance a renown file manager for business that i've missed?)) |
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| 19:48.58 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: not so fast: nautilus search behaviour is configurable |
| 19:49.07 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: so just disable full text search |
| 19:49.07 | aZz7eCh | o0 |
| 19:49.33 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: first google hit on 'configure nautilus search feature' for me |
| 19:49.35 | aZz7eCh | where are seeing that that mate ? |
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| 19:54.25 | aZz7eCh | my nautilus simply doesn't have the preferences options these ubunutu instructions are describing |
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| 19:55.07 | ryouma | what would a file manager for business look like? |
| 19:55.45 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: theres some more hints there about gsettings |
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| 19:57.52 | aZz7eCh | ryouma, a business file manager would look like nautilus for the past 10 years |
| 19:58.15 | aZz7eCh | business/productivity ... pick a word. |
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| 19:59.52 | valdyn | !info nemo |
| 20:00.00 | dpkg | nemo: (File manager and graphical shell for Cinnamon), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1154 kB, Installed size: 5585 kB |
| 20:00.15 | ryouma | aZz7eCh: i don't trust gui on linux. some do. but i find that find(1) and so on don't change significantly. so it reduces risk to use the old stuff. |
| 20:00.21 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: maybe that nemo is in buster |
| 20:01.15 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: one thing to maybe check is create a blank user (so it gets a default configuration) and see if the nautilus search feature works there, this can help you debug if it is some setting in your $HOME dir or not. |
| 20:01.47 | valdyn | aZz7eCh: im in sid, so my nautilus has no full text search by default appearantly. I can see some reports that buster nautilus search might be broken by design as you are finding |
| 20:02.02 | ryouma | aZz7eCh: that might not help you though |
| 20:02.09 | somiaj | ahh so it might be broken, okay I thought someone said it worked for them. |
| 20:02.21 | valdyn | somiaj: yea, in sid it does work fine |
| 20:02.22 | aZz7eCh | valdyn, exactly. after looking at the google reults, many people pulling hair out over exact same stupid change to nautilus |
| 20:03.14 | aZz7eCh | and this is a fresh install i'm on. - I also have fresh install on a usb stick ... and a fresh install on a virtual box. they all have the same new behaviour by default and no way to disable it |
| 20:03.43 | aZz7eCh | that was @ somiaj |
| 20:04.08 | somiaj | ahh okay, was just trying to think of reasons why it could work for someone else but not you, didn't realize they were testing a different version |
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| 20:05.20 | greycat | rolling back to stretch until bullseye is released is not the worst possible plan, if this is a true show-stopper bug for your users |
| 20:05.26 | aZz7eCh | so depressing ... the flapping boss is gonna want windows on everything after this :( |
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| 20:06.30 | somiaj | If using stretch you might want to grab google-chrome (instead of chromium) and firefox from mozilla (instead of the repos) just to keep up to date on browser seicrutiy issues, otherwise the LTS release should support the rest until bullseye is released. |
| 20:06.47 | aZz7eCh | we're on buster |
| 20:06.50 | aZz7eCh | buster is hte issue |
| 20:06.56 | aZz7eCh | we never had issues on stretch |
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| 20:06.59 | aZz7eCh | or jessie |
| 20:06.59 | somiaj | If you could find a bug report/fix for this, you could also roll a custom version of nautilus |
| 20:07.04 | aZz7eCh | or oen before that |
| 20:07.17 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: hence my comment, if you decided to go back to stretch, having a plan for browser updates might be worth considering. |
| 20:07.29 | greycat | backporting or forwardporting nautilus might be possible, but I have no experience with that |
| 20:07.45 | aZz7eCh | and made worse by gnome wanting its packaged one? |
| 20:08.27 | somiaj | well my suggestion would be roll your own package, so gnome is satsified |
| 20:08.44 | somiaj | Ideally you could just patch the version in buster with a targeted fix for this issue (if you could track down the fix) |
| 20:08.50 | aZz7eCh | last week i had bullseye in my repos to see if there was a fix to it but so far bullseye seems to carry nautilus the same. |
| 20:09.00 | greycat | ,v nautilus |
| 20:09.02 | judd | Package: nautilus on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.1-2; stretch: 3.22.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.22.3-1+deb9u1; buster: 3.30.5-2; bullseye: 3.34.1-1; sid: 3.34.1-1; experimental: 3.35.92-1 |
| 20:09.06 | jelly | aZz7eCh: maybe try a DE other than Gnome, something that changes and loses features less often? |
| 20:09.08 | somiaj | And then just use your custom version of nautillus with buster. |
| 20:09.11 | greycat | seems to be changed now |
| 20:09.30 | jelly | Mate or Cinnamon are both Gnome 2 clones/forks IIRC |
| 20:09.47 | aZz7eCh | greycat, changed (new verison) but carryign the exact smae behaviour and zero options to stop the new behaviour |
| 20:10.15 | greycat | valdyn said the sid version (which is currently also in bullseye) does not have this issue... maybe it's actually some underlying library that does it, not nautilus itself? |
| 20:10.28 | aZz7eCh | ((jelly appreicate the suggestion but expecing 7 staff to become comfortable in a new destop enviornment after years of gnome ... i dont know... |
| 20:10.28 | greycat | those bugs are sneaky |
| 20:11.20 | somiaj | finding a bug report can help isolate what the issue is (with other people complaing about this, I would expect a bug report in the debian BTS) |
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| 20:11.56 | aZz7eCh | well it appears in ubuntu you have options to tell nautilus to not behave like this new behaiovur |
| 20:12.05 | aZz7eCh | for some reason, i need to work out how to do this manually in debian |
| 20:12.29 | aZz7eCh | anyway - i'm only now stressed with more confusion but a few paths to go googling down. thanks you guys. |
| 20:12.44 | somiaj | there are various bugs about the search feature, maybe look through those for hints |
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| 20:14.37 | somiaj | hmm, well didn't see anything in the debian changelog, maybe nautilus change log has info about this change |
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| 20:21.42 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: were you wanting to disable the full text search in the newer nautillus (and only search file names as opposed to file contents)? (trying to make sure I understand the problem) |
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| 20:25.13 | aZz7eCh | yep thats pretty much it. its two fold - but thats the first problem with it. first problem is that, it brings up all sorts of files that 'contain' the search word instead of just files, and then to complicate things, the second problem is, once you have your list of files matching, none of it is sortable by name or relevance or date or antyhing ... its just a random long list of files in which you have to scroll through to find the ONLY relevant |
| 20:25.13 | aZz7eCh | result you were looking for ... its a dogs breakfast. |
| 20:25.49 | jelly | !asq joepublic |
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| 20:25.49 | dpkg | Thank you for asking, joepublic. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time. |
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| 20:26.43 | greycat | you didn't change the factoid... changed dpkg herself? |
| 20:27.06 | greycat | oh, no... you *did* change it, just not the part I was looking at |
| 20:27.10 | jelly | changed the factoid, alas |
| 20:27.20 | somiaj | aZz7eCh: hmm, well I did see some mention you might be able to disable the full text search, this way you won't get matches based on content. Unsure about being able to sort the results. |
| 20:27.55 | aZz7eCh | well - the second problem, no longer any ability to sort results, would be less of an issue if i didn't have 2-300 results to trawl through |
| 20:29.08 | somiaj | well maybe investigating the disable full text search option might help out your workflow |
| 20:29.23 | aZz7eCh | yep it target #1 |
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| 20:34.52 | neilthereildeil | when i try to uninstall python2 package, it tries to uninstall like half my system, including the hypervisor. why? and how can i prevent this? |
| 20:35.06 | annadane | don't uninstall python 2 |
| 20:35.12 | jelly | neilthereildeil: "don't do that then" |
| 20:35.17 | greycat | !hurts |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | "Doctor, it hurts when I bend my arm this way!" |
| 20:35.25 | neilthereildeil | lol |
| 20:35.51 | neilthereildeil | my python2 installation got messed up when i upgraded from Debian9->10 |
| 20:35.59 | neilthereildeil | im trynna fix python |
| 20:36.03 | neilthereildeil | so am trying to reinstall it |
| 20:36.18 | karlpinc | !doesn't work |
| 20:36.18 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 20:36.21 | jelly | can you put some details in the "messed up" |
| 20:36.26 | greycat | So reinstall it. apt-get --reinstall install python2.7 or whatever the exact pkg name is |
| 20:37.35 | neilthereildeil | doesnt work: |
| 20:37.36 | neilthereildeil | ImportError: The 'packaging.requirements' package is required; normally this is bundled with this package so if you get this warning, consult the packager of your distribution. |
| 20:38.30 | neilthereildeil | this describes my problem |
| 20:38.32 | neilthereildeil | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57543808/importerror-the-packaging-requirements-package-is-required |
| 20:38.37 | neilthereildeil | so im trying to reinstall |
| 20:38.43 | neilthereildeil | python |
| 20:39.06 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: And what happens when you do what greycat suggested? |
| 20:39.15 | neilthereildeil | same error |
| 20:39.18 | neilthereildeil | i just reinstalled |
| 20:40.02 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: What steps did you take when upgrading? Did you follow the instructions in the release notes? |
| 20:40.09 | neilthereildeil | yep |
| 20:40.14 | neilthereildeil | on the debian website |
| 20:40.35 | neilthereildeil | basically it said to upgrate sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 20:41.04 | karlpinc | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 20:41.04 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 20:41.25 | neilthereildeil | yep |
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| 20:41.33 | neilthereildeil | thats what i did |
| 20:41.37 | greycat | I'm guessing you *did something* to python before the upgrade, and your customizations conflicted with Debian's expectations... but I do not know python well enough to give any more advice. |
| 20:42.02 | jelly | neilthereildeil: can you show a full python stack trace from a command on your actual system? |
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| 20:42.10 | greycat | if it were me, I'd try to figure out the EXACT package name that's supposed to contain this "packaging.requirements" thing. |
| 20:42.12 | neilthereildeil | how can i uninstall python without uninstall the rest of my system down to th ehypervisor??? |
| 20:42.20 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:42.27 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: Along those lines, did you perhaps use pip as root to install python "distributions" (aka packages)? |
| 20:42.52 | karlpinc | greycat: I'd guess "setuptools". |
| 20:42.56 | neilthereildeil | nononroot |
| 20:43.02 | neilthereildeil | no nonroot* |
| 20:43.05 | greycat | N: Unable to locate package setuptools |
| 20:43.13 | greycat | karlpinc: the Debian package name... |
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| 20:44.23 | greycat | I see... a python3-setuptools, but they claimed it was a python2 issue. |
| 20:44.48 | neilthereildeil | the link i pasted talks about recreating my venv |
| 20:44.57 | neilthereildeil | but i have a lotta stuff in my venv |
| 20:45.56 | jelly | a virtualenv can easily break when the system python is upgraded |
| 20:46.40 | karlpinc | Yes, I've found venvs should be re-created after upgrade. |
| 20:46.44 | jelly | at that point it's probably easier to recreate it, with all the lotta stuff |
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| 20:47.23 | neilthereildeil | ehhhh |
| 20:47.26 | neilthereildeil | ok ill try that |
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| 20:48.26 | jelly | I'm not sure if installing as many py modules as possible from the distro, as packages, is better or worse |
| 20:48.51 | neilthereildeil | ive been using pip |
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| 20:49.43 | neilthereildeil | lol i cant even pip freeze my venv. how am i supposed to export it? |
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| 20:50.22 | jelly | copy it back to a debian 9 install, clone the system from backup? |
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| 20:52.25 | neilthereildeil | i backed up my data, not the system |
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| 20:52.45 | neilthereildeil | hmm i could try to revreate the venv |
| 20:52.49 | neilthereildeil | recreate* |
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| 20:54.42 | jelly | consider having a backup for everything, next time |
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| 21:27.36 | dob1 | ,v qtile |
| 21:27.37 | judd | No package named 'qtile' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:31.05 | Archanjo | olá |
| 21:31.16 | aZz7eCh | salo |
| 21:31.20 | Archanjo | alguém br? |
| 21:31.25 | annadane | !pt |
| 21:31.26 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org |
| 21:31.40 | annadane | which reminds me that i need to finish appending mailing lists to those factoids |
| 21:32.25 | Archanjo | como uso o debian pt? |
| 21:32.52 | ryouma | /join #debian-pt |
| 21:33.11 | annadane | deve ser uma opção no instalador? |
| 21:33.43 | Archanjo | só dijito e pronto? |
| 21:33.46 | annadane | you can select your language there... |
| 21:33.49 | Archanjo | digito** |
| 21:34.25 | annadane | one second, let me check |
| 21:35.43 | annadane | quando você inicia o instalador, você tem a opção de instalar em português |
| 21:36.08 | Archanjo | como eu faço um espaço desses só que privado? |
| 21:36.37 | annadane | que espaço? |
| 21:37.18 | Archanjo | tipo uma # dessas tipo sala de chat |
| 21:37.39 | Archanjo | sei la, to literalmente testando |
| 21:38.13 | annadane | ...i really don't understand what they're asking |
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| 21:38.28 | Archanjo | pelo oq entendi o freenode é um server hospedador ou algo assim |
| 21:39.24 | Ede|Popede | i'd say asking who to open a query |
| 21:39.48 | Archanjo | is that I'm new I'm just testing |
| 21:40.31 | annadane | você está pedindo para abrir uma instância privada do que exatamente? |
| 21:40.54 | Archanjo | só para conversar |
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| 21:41.21 | annadane | you can try the channel dpkg linked earlier for portuguese support... |
| 21:41.22 | annadane | !br |
| 21:41.22 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:41.35 | annadane | oh |
| 21:41.36 | annadane | !pt |
| 21:41.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org |
| 21:41.42 | annadane | same thing really |
| 21:41.50 | annadane | although that one gets you the mailing list address too |
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| 21:42.22 | annadane | sinto que não estou sendo muito útil; se você quiser conversar com pessoas individualmente, muitas pessoas não gostam disso, elas preferem se você mantiver as coisas no canal |
| 21:42.56 | Archanjo | ok |
| 21:43.07 | annadane | sua pergunta original já foi respondida; português é uma opção no instalador |
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| 21:43.31 | annadane | desculpe por qualquer mal-entendido |
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| 21:44.48 | dob1 | can I have a network interface configured via dhcp but that during configuration doesn't modify dns? |
| 21:45.00 | dob1 | I mean /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:45.39 | ryouma | my pt is nonexistent, but istm that #debian-pt and #debian-br are different? |
| 21:46.07 | annadane | look, those factoids are a mess in general |
| 21:46.22 | ryouma | ok |
| 21:46.22 | annadane | first of all, we have two networks and not every non english channel is on both networks |
| 21:46.53 | annadane | so your rate of success depends entirely on which network you invoke dpkg from and try to go to that channel on that network |
| 21:46.58 | annadane | most debian channels are on the other network, oftc |
| 21:47.05 | annadane | i've been trying to clean it up, but... |
| 21:47.15 | annadane | our non-english support is pretty poor |
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| 21:49.21 | annadane | irc channels, anyway |
| 21:49.26 | annadane | the mailing lists do get activity |
| 21:49.32 | annadane | which is why i've been adding them to those factoids |
| 21:49.46 | annadane | because the bot will tell you to join a non-english irc support channel that has 7 people in it |
| 21:49.59 | annadane | not very helpful |
| 21:50.29 | ryouma | i trust you. just thought i saw a discrepancy. |
| 21:50.41 | annadane | there is a discrepancy, i only just noticed that |
| 21:50.54 | annadane | i could use help cleaning it all up |
| 21:51.10 | annadane | we need to document more stuff within debian, wiki pages, irc channels, translations etc |
| 21:51.20 | annadane | i think a while ago i saw that the russian install notes were only half finished |
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| 22:09.54 | Ede|Popede | +1 definitely. i hate it when i find out after 5 clicks that i'm going round in circles. |
| 22:11.02 | Ede|Popede | and ideally google isn't needed at all, not even their site specific version |
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| 22:23.56 | nyov | ,v xtables-addons-dkms |
| 22:23.57 | judd | Package: xtables-addons-dkms on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.8-2; sid: 3.8-2 |
| 22:24.27 | nyov | oh no buster. how did I not see this in the webpage? lol |
| 22:24.39 | nyov | not even a backport? huh |
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| 22:29.42 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917905 -- that is why it was removed from buster |
| 22:29.43 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/917905 in xtables-addons-source (closed): «Fails to build for non-current kernel version»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-31; last modified: 2019-10-29. |
| 22:29.50 | somiaj | Seems they could not fix it before the release, so had to remove the package. |
| 22:30.04 | taserface | nfs question: I remember previously being able to add /exports/foo to /etc/exports and then mount server:/foo on a client and it would DWIM. that isn't working now. anyone know why that might be? |
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| 22:33.22 | dob1 | it seems that openbox user autostart gets ignored .... |
| 22:33.23 | taserface | (by "work" I mean, you could mount server:/foo instead of server:/exports/foo. Now I have to mount server:/exports/foo. Which is ugly.) |
| 22:33.25 | dob1 | I don't know why... |
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| 22:34.01 | somiaj | dob1: where did you set this 'autostart' |
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| 22:34.18 | dob1 | .config/openbox/autostart |
| 22:34.22 | dob1 | in home |
| 22:34.35 | somiaj | and what is in autostart (I don't know openbox, so unsure what this is supose to do) |
| 22:34.52 | dob1 | I put sheban and fbpanel & |
| 22:34.54 | dob1 | just as example |
| 22:35.15 | dob1 | I am reading several tutorial but they give me the same answer... but it doesn't work |
| 22:35.17 | somiaj | how do you load openbox? (display manager, startx, etc)? |
| 22:35.32 | dob1 | via startwm.sh invoked by xrdp |
| 22:35.39 | dob1 | exec openbox-session |
| 22:35.44 | somiaj | http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart |
| 22:36.01 | dob1 | I read it |
| 22:36.12 | somiaj | Hmm, okay just checking you were running openbox-session and openbox |
| 22:36.58 | somiaj | wonder if it is something with xrdp there and not reading the correct files in $HOME? |
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| 22:37.08 | somiaj | can you test it without using xrdp? |
| 22:37.49 | somiaj | also don't see it mentioned anywhere, so probably not need, but have you tried +x the script (though my guess is it is sourced and not needed) |
| 22:38.20 | dob1 | somiaj, yes. I can't test it now without xrdp |
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| 22:39.35 | dob1 | somiaj, in some way it runs.... |
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| 22:40.37 | somiaj | dob1: I saw one form that suggests using . /usr/bin/openbox-xsession (vs exec) this way it just sources that script and doesn't replace the current running script. Though unsure if this has anything to do with your issue, just something I noticed. |
| 22:40.56 | dob1 | somiaj, I did this too, but now it's working... |
| 22:41.16 | somiaj | so fixed the issue then? |
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| 22:41.56 | dob1 | somiaj, I can't say, now it works but I didn't change anything |
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| 22:42.20 | somiaj | well hopefully it just fixed itself and you can move on with your day |
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| 22:45.39 | nyov | somiaj, thanks for the bug hint. luckily the testing package builds nicely, though, on 4.19 |
| 22:46.17 | nyov | I wonder if they couldn't re-add it in a point release? |
| 22:46.25 | somiaj | that isn't how debian stable works |
| 22:46.53 | somiaj | debian stable is a frozen system that has no rc-bugs at the time of release. And by no, sometimes packages get removed, and sometimes rc bugs are ignored |
| 22:47.20 | somiaj | point releases only contain security fixes and targeted fixes for rc-bugs (though there are a few execeptions to this, such as webbrowsers) |
| 22:48.18 | somiaj | nyov: though now that the package works in testing and they fixed a bug, it could be added to buster-backports (though might have to bug the matainer or request this) |
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| 22:49.23 | nyov | yeah, that's what I thought. but I believe I seen new packages appearing with point releases, so I wasn't sure |
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| 22:54.23 | dob1 | somiaj, I don't know |
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| 22:54.31 | dob1 | maybe xrdp was a part of the problem |
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| 22:59.46 | somiaj | nyov: there are some cases in which debian has to break its policy, but it does try to avoid it usually |
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| 23:02.19 | nyov | not a real issue for me, I guess. I like building frankendebians. and if I have to install tomcat from devuan now, grabbing xtables from testing is really no trouble :p |
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| 23:04.31 | somiaj | I think you are overusing frakendebians, if you follow sane methods, you can install thrid party stuff just fine. |
| 23:04.45 | somiaj | Building a package against the libs on your system is one method of being sane. |
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| 23:09.22 | nyov | I guess I could just rebuild the package locally, true. But if the provided package is just fine, just on another release branch or distribution - why not use it? that way I keep track of available updates also |
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| 23:10.34 | somiaj | I usually avoid recommending that option as it requires checking dependencies to make sure they are still satsified for the version |
| 23:10.46 | somiaj | my basis suggestion is, if package X is not built for buster, rebuild it for buster (vs just use it). |
| 23:11.25 | somiaj | Provided dependencies are met, you don't have to rebuild (though you could find underlying issues due to libary differences that may have not been caught with the dependecies) |
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| 23:18.01 | nyov | well, I don't recommend it to non-experts. and I check before I mix, and the approach is only really possible thanks to the power of aptitude gui I guess. but it works surprisingly hassle-free for me |
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| 23:18.14 | nyov | (unlike on rpm distributions) |
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| 23:19.02 | Whyvn | What changes do I have to do for my resolvconf to have 127.0.0.1 as the namerserver? |
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| 23:24.29 | Whyvn | nvm, installing resolvconf, and starting the bind9-resolvconf command did it |
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