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| 06:41.28 | sponix | john___: passthrough is normally easiest if you have one GPU from each Team.. One RX 580 for example and one Nvidia 1060 |
| 06:41.53 | sponix | john___: then you can just block a the driver level of Linux to the card you want to pass through to the VM |
| 06:43.05 | terr | sponix, this would mean you can run dedicated monitors for the VM? |
| 06:43.29 | john___ | So is it recommended to get a Nvidia card for passthrough if I have a Radeon? |
| 06:43.43 | john___ | What happens if I have Radeon and Radeon? |
| 06:43.53 | sponix | john___: from my readings and experience - Yes that is easiest. |
| 06:44.05 | terr | john___, you would be using the same driver |
| 06:44.31 | sponix | john___: If both cards use amdgpu, or nvidia for example. Then you have to block on my loading with the pci-id instead of just the driver itself. it is a bit harder, but can still be done |
| 06:45.01 | sponix | terr: I haven't gotten it to work with an extra monitor yet, as I haven't had a spare prior. Going to hopefully give this another go in a week or so |
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| 06:45.22 | john___ | So which Nvidia should I get? I plan to do basic tasks and some simple 1080p video editing using Davinci Resolve |
| 06:45.40 | sponix | john___: there is a fair amount of documentation on how this is done online now. And I have barely scratched the surface. highly recommend you read up |
| 06:45.58 | terr | I will be getting to it - weeks form now |
| 06:46.08 | john___ | Would a GT 1030 be enough? |
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| 06:46.20 | sponix | john___: well, just a heads up - There is a Linux Native version of DaVinci Resolve |
| 06:46.22 | terr | for me it will be svga and DP or DVI |
| 06:46.40 | john___ | I cannot get Davinci working because it supports only CentOS and RHEL |
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| 06:46.48 | john___ | They don't support Debian branch |
| 06:46.59 | john___ | I bet Fedora won't count |
| 06:47.00 | sponix | john___: then you need to do a bit of research on that also :) |
| 06:47.13 | john___ | Btw is RHEL and Fedora the same branch? |
| 06:47.50 | sponix | https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/06/how-to-install-davinci-resolve-15-in.html |
| 06:49.31 | john___ | Thanks |
| 06:49.51 | sponix | Unit193: it seems to be an older libcurl4 with the newer rtorrent giving issues according to the Interwebs. So I'm going to do Sid libcurl4, libtorrent, and rtorrent -- See if those 3 all being built from Sid source works better than just the ladder 2 |
| 06:49.56 | Lady_Aleena | Re-ask: My sound volume still does not work completely in VLC. I still can't get the volume to go below 20%, unless I am on a page in a browser that plays something (like YouTube), then the volume will go down. However, once that page is closed, the volume shoots back up to 20%, even if I have it set to 10%. This is so very annoying, especially when some albums start playing from my playlist. So why do I have full control of my volume |
| 06:49.56 | Lady_Aleena | in the browser but not VLC? Does this belong here or #videolan? |
| 06:50.29 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: for sound install and tinker with pavucontrol |
| 06:50.48 | Unit193 | sponix: Starting to sound like a bit of a rabbit hole, more so if you're going for curl.. |
| 06:50.52 | Ede|Popede | oh yes. volume. i only use the mousewheel which changes the values by 5%, sometimes still i look at pavucontrol and it is at values like 87%. |
| 06:51.00 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: it is a nice gui showing all your outputs, levels, etc |
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| 06:52.20 | sponix | Unit193: it is, but torrenting is a major role on my rig... I find it odd that Buster ended up with 0.9.7 - when 0.9.6 is actually classified as rtorrent "stable" and 0.9.8 is current -- WTF did Buster end up in the middle with 0.9.7 lol |
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| 06:52.36 | Ede|Popede | i can remember from mplayer days (now i'm on mpv) something like soft volume. sometimes it's the application, sometimes the system. maybe the program then changes its channel following its interface setting, and when it's closed it changes it back. |
| 06:53.49 | Unit193 | sponix: I see. I don't do a whole lot so deluge is good enough. That I have patched and backported. :3 |
| 06:55.19 | john___ | Do people usually buy a GPU just to run KVM passthrough? |
| 06:55.36 | john___ | I am thinking of just dual booting or getting a GPU for the passthrough |
| 06:55.56 | john___ | My printer is not supported with Linux so I have to run Windows alongside my Linux install |
| 06:56.12 | john___ | And Windows-only apps |
| 06:56.16 | john___ | Like Office |
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| 07:00.12 | sponix | john___: I firmly believe in using the right tool for the job. If most of the things you do depend on Windows 10, might as well run that, and just put Debian 10 or so in a Virtual Machine and have it do what little you may need from Linux |
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| 07:01.33 | sponix | john___: setting up gpu passthrough on Linux can be a bitch. If you struggled with DaVinci Resolve, I'm not sure you are up to the task. Unless doing a cheat with a VM specific distro like Proxmox that does all the heavy lifting for you |
| 07:01.38 | sponix | !Proxmox |
| 07:01.38 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 07:02.42 | Lady_Aleena | sponix, I have pavucontrol installed. I turn the volume on VLC to 10% in pavucontrol, and the sound is still 20%. |
| 07:03.07 | Lady_Aleena | I've looked in alsamixer, pavucontrol, vlc itself, and nothing works. |
| 07:04.16 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: sudo apt install mpv smplayer |
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| 07:04.27 | Lady_Aleena | what is that? |
| 07:04.37 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: try doing your media playback with smplayer after that, see if it does better than vlc (does well for me) |
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| 07:05.01 | Lady_Aleena | So, those are alternate players? |
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| 07:05.42 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: yes mpv will be the backend (and is a player itself if you want, but is bare bones), and smplayer is a frontend gui that is nicer for mpv |
| 07:06.16 | sponix | Lady_Aleena: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting -- I also recommend checking up and down the Arch wiki for all audio related issues :) |
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| 07:07.46 | Lady_Aleena | I can't change the volume of SMPlayer with the buttons on my keyboard. |
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| 07:12.29 | sponix | buttons on your keyboard with volume skipping in 10/20 % increments is likely the issue to start off with :) |
| 07:13.42 | Lady_Aleena | It is 5% increments. |
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| 07:15.21 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: in pavucontrol, fix the volume on the output device first, then fix the volume on the app that's playing |
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| 07:15.32 | terr | I am goign to give up on this nameserver problem for tonight... I am getting really tired |
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| 07:16.07 | sponix | terr: wish you the best of luck |
| 07:16.14 | sponix | I need to crash back out myself |
| 07:17.00 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, what am I looking for on the output devices screen? |
| 07:17.12 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: everything to be set to 100% |
| 07:17.20 | terr | sponix, I did try dhclient - it gives me an eror - RTNETLINK says file exists |
| 07:17.25 | Lady_Aleena | It's there. |
| 07:17.40 | jelly | good, then you can deal with per-app settings |
| 07:18.44 | Lady_Aleena | And I keep trying to slide the sound below 20%, but the volume doesn't change in pavucontrol. |
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| 07:20.35 | sponix | Unit193: well, I built and installed Sid libcurl4 from source (ssb), then did libtorrent against that and installed, then built rtorrent itself one more time and installed that also. So, I guess by tomorrow I'll know if libcurl4 being 7.68 instead of 7.64 under rtorrent 0.9.8 is really the fix |
| 07:20.41 | Lady_Aleena | VLC Media Player audio stream is set at 5%, but it still sounds 20%. |
| 07:21.45 | Lady_Aleena | Is this is VLC problem? Should I take it to #videolan? |
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| 07:32.57 | Time-Warp | everyone *.edge.kernel.org SSL Certs are EXPIRED |
| 07:33.05 | Time-Warp | repos are down |
| 07:33.17 | sponix2ipfw | Lady_Aleena: sure give it a try |
| 07:33.34 | sponix2ipfw | Time-Warp: nice |
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| 07:37.25 | sponix2ipfw | Time-Warp: I normally use kernel.org for a mirror |
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| 07:57.53 | Lady_Aleena | Well, that's it. I will just have to deal with this forever, or until which ever program is messed gets fixed. I don't know if it is pulse audio or VLC. |
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| 11:15.09 | kats99 | So guys I tried to create a torrent but the other person cannot download it unless I completely disable the firewall.. I changed the port in the torrent client and allowed it in the firewall settings but it still won't work unless I completely disable the firewall |
| 11:16.09 | kats99 | I don't want to disable the firewall every time I seed. What to do? |
| 11:16.13 | watom | kats99 show your rules or there is no way to debug |
| 11:16.21 | kats99 | Ok |
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| 11:16.42 | kats99 | I'll type it here. It's not much |
| 11:18.08 | kats99 | nvm ill post the link |
| 11:18.09 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135117/ |
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| 11:18.44 | kats99 | So the port in the torrent client is 54623 |
| 11:19.19 | watom | that's not enough verbose. a iptables-save dump would be really nicer |
| 11:20.28 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135118/ |
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| 11:21.32 | watom | i'm confused. it looks like there aren't rules |
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| 11:22.06 | kats99 | I thought rules were set in ufw. Was I wrong? |
| 11:22.29 | watom | ufw is an interface. the output of iptables-save is the current active rules |
| 11:22.53 | kats99 | Oh ok.. |
| 11:23.00 | watom | at the moment you have no firewall on |
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| 11:25.23 | kats99 | yes i disabled it |
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| 11:26.21 | kats99 | So even if I create a rule using ufw, it won't create an actual rule and I have to create it in iptables right? |
| 11:27.07 | watom | you just need to turn on ufw |
| 11:27.39 | watom | forgot about iptables if you are just using ufw. you need a way to show your ufw configuration now if you want help with that |
| 11:28.00 | kats99 | yes i turned it on.. wait ill dump it again. |
| 11:28.43 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135119/ |
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| 11:30.45 | watom | kats99 you should focus only on ufw. i asked for iptables only since i didn't know you were using ufw. if the first paste you made was an ufw list of rules i think it should just works fine your torrent client. |
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| 11:31.18 | kats99 | Yes the first paste was from ufw |
| 11:31.38 | watom | it should works already |
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| 11:32.06 | kats99 | But my client refuses to even retrieve the metadata if the firewall is on with the existing rules |
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| 11:32.34 | watom | do you forward that port from your router? |
| 11:32.42 | kats99 | i don't use a router |
| 11:33.00 | kats99 | I use hotspot |
| 11:33.21 | kats99 | and i don't forward any ports |
| 11:36.02 | kats99 | If I use 1234 in my allow connections from port in the client and add a rule to allow incoming to 1234 in firewall then why does my client not work? |
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| 11:37.09 | watom | if ssh is working than everything else should be as well |
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| 11:37.39 | watom | if not maybe your client require more than that |
| 11:38.16 | kats99 | Yeah ssh works well..and I use qbittorent.. So the problem lies in my client. |
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| 11:39.20 | watom | you can try to figure out if the port is opened using https://canyouseeme.org/ |
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| 11:40.44 | kats99 | oh ok |
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| 12:04.46 | kats99 | 54682: This is the port that worked. You have to allow this port in the firewall. |
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| 12:08.18 | kats99 | no! 45682.. not 54682 |
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| 12:10.13 | rs2009 | Anyone in for a Debian Rolling Release Edition? |
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| 12:12.04 | rs2009 | Maybe someone would like to start a Debian Newspaper? If so, you could message... |
| 12:12.30 | abrotman | There already is such a thing |
| 12:13.03 | abrotman | dpkg: dpn |
| 12:13.03 | dpkg | [dpn] Debian Project News (http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/) is a bi-weekly newsletter with the most important and interesting news about Debian in general. http://wiki.debian.org/ProjectNews |
| 12:13.28 | rs2009 | Ah, my mistake. :) |
| 12:13.47 | rs2009 | But Rolling Release Edition perhaps... |
| 12:15.03 | petn-randall | rs2009: Which rolling release? |
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| 12:16.09 | rs2009 | petn-randall: If Debian could have an official Rolling Release Edition (official, not derivative distribution). |
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| 12:18.10 | petn-randall | rs2009: I don't think it would be popular, due to the fact that rolling releases have impossible release management, and not many people are interested in it for those reasons. |
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| 12:20.11 | rs2009 | petn-randall: Debian could have a special edition though. It could be mainly for users who aren't worried about system issues and do not like the old version set of Debian Stable. |
| 12:20.33 | Ede|Popede | after all it would be a fork probably. with the long release cycles of debian sometimes having some newer version wouldn't be bad, but that would mean taking point releases and building up on them. including all the testing and making the packages compatible with a maybe 2 years old release. |
| 12:21.11 | petn-randall | rs2009: Have you tried stable-backports yet? |
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| 12:21.53 | rs2009 | Yup, but these packages do cause some issues. |
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| 12:22.06 | JyZyXEL | if one is not worried about facing issues, then why not testing or sid? |
| 12:22.44 | petn-randall | Well, stable-backports is a more stable setup than a rolling release. Now you know that a rolling release would be a lot worse ... |
| 12:22.57 | joepublic | I use and love sid. |
| 12:23.24 | rs2009 | Sid has many issues. I wasn't able to perform live-build on it. |
| 12:23.57 | joepublic | Yeah, sid's for users who aren't worried about system issues and do not like the old version set of Debian Stable |
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| 12:24.32 | rs2009 | Yup, but 'sid' is a gone case. It wouldn't boot after installation. |
| 12:24.49 | joepublic | install stable, upgrade to sid is the usual progression |
| 12:25.49 | rs2009 | But most people do not upgrade to 'sid' because of these issues, even though they are fine with a slightly unstable system. |
| 12:26.31 | joepublic | agreed. sid's not for general consumption. |
| 12:27.15 | rs2009 | joepublic: +1; Sid needs to be refined to build a rolling release edition. |
| 12:27.17 | diogenes_ | Hello guys, there are some appimages that give the following error when you try to run them: "The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly...", there are 2 workarounds how to deal with it: 1) sudo sysctl kernel.unprivileged_userns_clone=1 2) run it with --no-sandbox. My question is, which one of the solutions is more of a security risk? |
| 12:27.31 | sponix2ipfw | joepublic: why learn how to use Debian when instead we can come in recommending to change it |
| 12:28.14 | JyZyXEL | didn't aptosid already try that |
| 12:28.30 | joepublic | sponix2ipfw, i guess a serious answer to that would be that debian is in part intended to serve as a base for downstream distros, which rs2009 seems to be proposing? |
| 12:28.46 | sponix2ipfw | diogenes_: what app images are they? |
| 12:29.15 | JyZyXEL | it's now discontinued |
| 12:29.16 | petn-randall | rs2009: Let us know how far you get with it! |
| 12:29.35 | diogenes_ | sponix2ipfw, one is ungoogled-chromium and another one is a game called Krunker. |
| 12:29.54 | rs2009 | petn-randall: +1; thanks :) |
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| 12:30.07 | petn-randall | diogenes_: 1) is the better solution. I don't know why it's not enabled by default on systems. |
| 12:30.16 | rs2009 | But, I think we need to involve a Debian Developer. |
| 12:30.22 | diogenes_ | petn-randall, thanks! |
| 12:30.28 | joepublic | just one? |
| 12:31.23 | rs2009 | joepublic: As many as we can gather... |
| 12:31.38 | sponix2ipfw | rs2009: run Arch for a month. Then see how you feel |
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| 12:32.15 | rs2009 | :) Tried out Arch. Really liked it, but still want to stick to the Debian Ecosystem. |
| 12:32.17 | petn-randall | rs2009: You can always start working on it, and through your efforts convince other DDs that it's a good and worthing thing to spend time on. |
| 12:32.54 | petn-randall | Other than that, rolling releases have already been discussed to death, and the general consensus was that it's not worth the time and effort. |
| 12:33.17 | joepublic | If I started working on a debian derivative, it would be along the lines of parabola |
| 12:33.22 | rs2009 | petn-randall: I know, but they never grew into big projects |
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| 12:35.24 | rs2009 | joepublic: Well, I'm very keen to start a Debian Derivative :) |
| 12:37.55 | joepublic | testing is already as close to a rolling release as anyone would need from Debian proper, I'd say |
| 12:38.01 | salkin-mada | debian stable, testing, sid and rolling release sounds interesting. maybe it could be called RC :) |
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| 12:38.38 | rs2009 | Testing seems to be, but it does have many... bugs |
| 12:39.06 | joepublic | hence the name |
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| 12:39.59 | rs2009 | Thus it boils down to what I said (and those who think thus are correct): Debian Testing & Sid have many... bugs. |
| 12:40.00 | napman | stable is stable, testing is testing and sid is unstable.... nothing new |
| 12:40.17 | rs2009 | Yup, but what about rolling :) |
| 12:40.40 | joepublic | I repent of my participation in this discussion and apologize to all concerned. |
| 12:40.46 | napman | no rolling in debian |
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| 12:41.19 | rs2009 | napman: but what if it was created :) |
| 12:41.21 | petn-randall | napman: rs2009 wants to create a rolling release and is looking for volunteers to do that work. |
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| 12:43.06 | rs2009 | Not looking for volunteers to do the whole work, but just if they could contribute and help in running the project and generating ISOs etc. |
| 12:43.15 | rs2009 | And packages... |
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| 12:44.42 | petn-randall | I'm not stopping you, I'm just saying if you want *anyone* to join your effort you'll need to have some progress to show. We have someone suggesting a rolling release twice a month. Didn't happen yet. |
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| 12:45.25 | rs2009 | Well, have started already :) Ubuntu Members will know, but I wanted to shift base to Debian... |
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| 12:46.48 | petn-randall | Cool, so where can I download and look at this rolling release? |
| 12:48.19 | rs2009 | Problem is, I reinstalled the OS on my server!! But don't worry, will send today later... |
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| 12:48.35 | rs2009 | Just tell me your timezone and will send accordingly |
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| 12:50.54 | rs2009 | Am not including an installer, though. Perstitance can be acheived and person can copy partitions to Desktop. |
| 12:51.05 | rs2009 | *persistance |
| 12:51.29 | rs2009 | Note: Am IST. |
| 12:51.44 | rs2009 | Hope timezone maches |
| 12:51.55 | rs2009 | *matches |
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| 12:54.37 | Wulf | Hello! It looks like there are different copy+paste buffers. Usually when I select text using left mouse button, I can later paste it with middle button. But sometimes this doesn't work and I paste whatever was in the "ctrl-c" buffer before, i.e. I might paste something confidential by accident. This happens mostly (always?) in gnome-terminal. Running debian/sid and the bug is not a recent one. Any ideas? |
| 12:54.40 | rs2009 | Using Kernel 5.4 (will provide 5.5 as optional) |
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| 12:56.11 | petn-randall | Wulf: You have two cut buffers, the one accessed with ctrl + x/c/v, and the where you mark text with the mouse to copy, and middle-click for paste. They are different for historical reasons. Most DEs allow a setting to sync them. |
| 12:57.11 | rs2009 | Including a quick install package installer... |
| 12:57.46 | rs2009 | Just needed info: Ubuntu kernel would work on Debian, wouldn't it? |
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| 12:58.23 | Wulf | petn-randall: gnome3. Where can I find the setting? |
| 12:58.32 | petn-randall | rs2009: No idea. That wouldn't be a Debian rolling release then, though. |
| 12:58.46 | petn-randall | Wulf: Are you running gnome? |
| 12:58.55 | Wulf | petn-randall: gnome3 |
| 12:59.10 | rs2009 | petn-randall: Thanks... |
| 13:01.05 | petn-randall | Wulf: Not sure how the setting is called. Other option is to disable the implicit copy when highlighting text. |
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| 13:01.21 | Wulf | petn-randall: but I like that feature a lot |
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| 13:07.52 | petn-randall | Wulf: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Clipboard |
| 13:07.54 | rs2009 | Am building on sid (as I gave a hint before) |
| 13:08.24 | petn-randall | You probably want to use one of the managers that are built for gnome. |
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| 13:09.50 | Wulf | petn-randall: thanks, will try |
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| 13:12.29 | terr | I am going to see if I can get a nameserver accessible in this Debian box. host does not work... on any addresses. however traceroute is happy |
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| 13:26.45 | rs2009 | Am using KDE... |
| 13:28.43 | terr | rs2009, and? |
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| 13:29.43 | rs2009 | am hosting shell scripts for people to install the latest packages |
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| 13:32.58 | terr | rs2009, I don't follow at all |
| 13:33.46 | rs2009 | Nah you were asking what else... |
| 13:34.01 | rs2009 | Have answered the question :) |
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| 13:36.25 | Ede|Popede | wulf: not exactly the same, but sometimes... did you check that the original textmarking is still around? |
| 13:37.08 | rs2009 | Generating the ISO file now... |
| 13:38.01 | Wulf | Ede|Popede: It usually doesn't matter if I still have the text selected. The problem persists until I manually use ctrl-c to copy something, then the mouse-only copy+paste works again. |
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| 13:50.30 | JustASlacker | what to do when '/usr/bin/env php' just hangs... |
| 13:50.37 | JustASlacker | does the thinking face |
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| 13:52.26 | themill | "aptitude purge ~nphp~i" normally solves my problems with php. |
| 13:52.38 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:52.50 | Posterdati | plasma-discover is crap! |
| 13:53.02 | themill | Posterdati: yes. |
| 13:53.33 | Posterdati | how can be possible that this program is in Debian when oolite is not (for example)? |
| 13:53.45 | Posterdati | it is absurd |
| 13:54.24 | themill | That question makes no sense. |
| 13:55.12 | Posterdati | because you're not an engineer |
| 13:55.17 | themill | orly |
| 13:55.42 | themill | Out of interest, have you volunteered to package oolite? |
| 13:56.36 | Posterdati | no |
| 13:56.48 | Posterdati | oolite is an example... |
| 13:57.00 | themill | Things get packaged when people volunteer to do so. |
| 13:57.27 | themill | Also, oolite was relies on libraries that no longer exist and was removed |
| 13:57.28 | Posterdati | oolite was removed due to a library which is too old, BUT WORKING |
| 13:58.08 | oiaohm | Posterdati: define working. |
| 13:58.12 | themill | Did you volunteer to maintain libmozjs? |
| 13:58.29 | Posterdati | no, it is out of my interest |
| 13:58.46 | oiaohm | Posterdati: if you mean working without known security faults the answer is that it was depending on a library that no longer worked. |
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| 13:59.09 | themill | Posterdati: right. And now you understand why it is not in Debian. |
| 13:59.10 | Posterdati | oiaohm: consider the opposite of plasma-discover behaviour |
| 13:59.30 | terr | I shut down my networking and I am trying to bring it back up. host cannot find anything for instance. dhclient bitchs about a file RTNETLINK says one exists... of course doesn't tell me which one - and I"m not even sure (as in clueless) if this is what I should be looking at. |
| 13:59.36 | oiaohm | Posterdati: plasma-discover like it or not is getting the security updates. |
| 13:59.47 | oiaohm | Posterdati: so problem is define of working. |
| 13:59.47 | Posterdati | themill: but a non working program is in Debian... |
| 14:00.00 | themill | Posterdati: there are lots of bugs in Debian |
| 14:00.01 | Posterdati | oiaohm: no it is not |
| 14:00.24 | Posterdati | oiaohm: something is working because it acts per its specifications! |
| 14:00.25 | themill | Posterdati: plasma-discover works for some things quite well. Not things that I care about. |
| 14:01.06 | Posterdati | themill: never see it working per its specifications on Buster |
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| 14:05.02 | __marco | Hello. Sometime I have the feeling that my system is not really responsive and this happens when hd is involved. Not always, just from time to time. I don't know what to look at |
| 14:06.45 | terr | __marco, if you system CPU load is low and your HDD is high in means its IO bound. Look for a faster disk. |
| 14:07.07 | __marco | It is a NVMe |
| 14:07.08 | terr | __marco, do you know what process is doing it? |
| 14:07.26 | terr | I don't know what NCMe is |
| 14:07.40 | __marco | terr, I notice this also with vim |
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| 14:08.03 | oiaohm | Posterdati: I use testing. https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/plasma-discover/plasma-discover_5.17.5-2_changelog << I am not kiding that there are updates there was big one Oct 2019 that got port to stable to fix quite a bad break. So Plasma-discover has an active mantainer. |
| 14:08.35 | __marco | terr, If I want to save a file, it is like it takes sometime (less than 1s) to start the operation, but then operation itself is very fast |
| 14:08.35 | oiaohm | Posterdati: just because software is in the debian list does not mean it perfectly quality and never has. Most import thing to remain in list is getting security fixes. |
| 14:08.57 | oiaohm | Posterdati: ie does not work at all is not a security risk. |
| 14:09.17 | __marco | My impression is like this, that it takes some time to do the first step only, then all good |
| 14:09.41 | __marco | Like the latency is affected, not the transfer speed |
| 14:09.56 | terr | probably caching |
| 14:10.16 | terr | caching can be on the disk itself. |
| 14:10.38 | oiaohm | Any decent disc will have caching. |
| 14:10.42 | oiaohm | in the controller. |
| 14:11.09 | oiaohm | Even SSD |
| 14:11.20 | terr | exactly. If its a problem... get an SSD |
| 14:11.47 | __marco | It happened right now, I typed something on the console, and it took sometime before seeing what I am typing (lspci) |
| 14:11.51 | terr | how big are the files? |
| 14:12.04 | __marco | small files |
| 14:12.14 | __marco | this is the HD 01:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Samsung Electronics Co Ltd NVMe SSD Controller (rev 01) |
| 14:12.16 | terr | you can set up a ram disk. |
| 14:12.27 | __marco | not a slow one |
| 14:13.10 | oiaohm | terr: even ssd drives are helped by having dram cache on the controller. |
| 14:13.15 | terr | I don't know if this would work... but mkinitrd does set up a ram disk. I think this can be done... |
| 14:13.37 | petn-randall | oiaohm: It's not a write cache, though. |
| 14:13.37 | terr | ya - Flash is very slow compared to ram |
| 14:14.19 | petn-randall | __marco: Run 'atop' as root in a terminal, and have a peek at it when your system seems to stutter. |
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| 14:14.40 | __marco | Timing buffered disk reads: 3474 MB in 3.00 seconds = 1157.93 MB/sec |
| 14:14.43 | __marco | from hdparm |
| 14:15.21 | __marco | DSK | nvme0n1 | busy 100% | read 95156 | write 86746 | MBr/s 0.2 | MBw/s 0.1 | avio 122 ms |
| 14:15.22 | oiaohm | __marco: https://www.samsung.com/au/news/global/ssd-970pro-and-evo/ you would have to look up the model of the device but being Samsung you have a 90%+ chance its a dram cache drive. |
| 14:16.54 | oiaohm | petn-randall: ssd with the large block reorganization for write at times the dram cache on the controller is major help. SSD without dram cache of some form have the controller battling up hill at times and giving really horrible performance. |
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| 14:17.17 | terr | __marco, linux ram disk create |
| 14:17.21 | terr | google |
| 14:17.31 | __marco | ok, I will, thanks |
| 14:17.41 | terr | create a big tam disk and copy the file to it. |
| 14:18.06 | terr | then... set up a low priority daemon to copy from the ram disk to where it should live |
| 14:18.12 | oiaohm | __marco: without knowing the model of drive I cannot say that they are perfectly up to where they should be but they are ball park for a lot of different SSD devices. |
| 14:18.16 | JustASlacker | meh |
| 14:18.40 | JustASlacker | straceing the php process revealed it was complaing about a translation file missing |
| 14:18.50 | JustASlacker | without any error message at all |
| 14:18.58 | terr | we used to use opticals to cache from huge and very slow libraries |
| 14:19.00 | JustASlacker | and eating all the cpu's |
| 14:19.12 | JustASlacker | thank you drupal |
| 14:19.12 | __marco | oiaohm: I can search. It is not 970, it is a previous version, from 2016 I think |
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| 14:19.39 | oiaohm | __marco: 2016 drive you are most likely getting all you can out of it. |
| 14:20.13 | oiaohm | __marco: writing on SSD is a lot harder on the controller than reading. Particularly with needing to regoranise the blocks and wear level. |
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| 14:21.08 | __marco | oiaohm: not that I nothing else than chatting, and still atop: avio 123 ms |
| 14:21.27 | __marco | for the HD |
| 14:21.27 | terr | oiaohm, idea is - cache it and have a deamon work like a spooler and casually copy it to where it should live. |
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| 14:22.39 | mms_ | I have 200gb of SSD that i want to use for debian. in it further partitions should I make or should I install all in one ? |
| 14:22.40 | oiaohm | terr: unless you are transfering data that you are filling the cache faster than it can be emptied. |
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| 14:22.58 | mms_ | its my home pc |
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| 14:23.25 | terr | oiaohm, the cache on the controller can easily fill. RAM is so damn cheap. |
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| 14:24.33 | __marco | So, the model is Samsung SSD 950 PRO 256GB S2GLNX0H722874R |
| 14:24.44 | __marco | Now I check ramdisk |
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| 14:25.02 | terr | oiaohm, I would try setting up a ram disk and use it as a cache because its probably easy to do and one will learn a lot about the problem in the process |
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| 14:26.43 | mms_ | hello ? |
| 14:27.04 | mms_ | on my home pc I have 200gb of SSD that i want to use for debian. in it further partitions should I make or should I install all in one ? |
| 14:27.32 | diogenes_ | mms_, i didn't get that. |
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| 14:28.05 | mms_ | diogenes_: I need help to decide on whether to install debian in single partition or make multiple ones for its file system |
| 14:28.20 | mms_ | I have 200GB of SSD that I can allocate to debian |
| 14:28.43 | mms_ | or just 100GB will be enough for debian ? |
| 14:29.35 | han-solo | under 40 should be more than enough ? but depends on what all universe are you planning to bring in |
| 14:29.40 | diogenes_ | mms_, it depends if you intend to store data that would be persistent then of course make a separate /home, if not then all in one + /boot/efi (if you use UEFI). |
| 14:30.50 | mms_ | diogenes_: there is some EFI partition already on SSD |
| 14:31.01 | mms_ | diogenes_: I do not know about it |
| 14:31.20 | diogenes_ | mms_, it would be better to create the additional one for Debian. |
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| 14:31.58 | jelly | diogenes_: um, isn't it just one efiboot partition per system? |
| 14:32.01 | mms_ | diogenes_: how to do that ? I instend to install grub for multiboot |
| 14:32.29 | mms_ | diogenes_: my current hdd has grub, c: windows, d: windows data, debian |
| 14:32.33 | diogenes_ | jelly, i always create separate ones, for instance if there is a windows one, i create one for linux. |
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| 14:32.52 | jelly | diogenes_: and how does the boot process pick which one is used? |
| 14:33.05 | mms_ | diogenes_: there is also windows recovery |
| 14:33.21 | diogenes_ | jelly, it boots the linux one because grub overrides windows's bootloader. |
| 14:33.35 | diogenes_ | and in grub it makes windows's entry. |
| 14:33.39 | jelly | diogenes_: that does not make sense in UEFI context |
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| 14:34.31 | __marco | I want to try update the kernel from backport |
| 14:34.39 | jelly | maybe I don't know how uefi boot works. My understanding was all the boot loaders get installed to one /boot/efi partition |
| 14:34.55 | mms_ | diogenes_: so do I need to create more uefi ? |
| 14:35.00 | jelly | and that's what I have on a windows/debian/ubuntu laptop |
| 14:35.22 | diogenes_ | mms_, that's how i do, but you can do as jelly says. |
| 14:35.27 | mms_ | ssd has 499mb healthy recovery, 512mb efi, 475gb ntfs healthy primary |
| 14:35.55 | mms_ | jelly: so no need for additional |
| 14:36.00 | oiaohm | __marco: https://www.anandtech.com/show/9702/samsung-950-pro-ssd-review-256gb-512gb That drive does not have a very large cache, Being the smaller model of the two it has less chips so lower write speed. 85K IOPS is that drives max rated for write if that it write heavy workload you could be slaming your face straight against the write IOPS limit of the drive. |
| 14:36.08 | jelly | diogenes_: how does UEFI know which efiboot partition to use? |
| 14:36.26 | mms_ | jelly: so I can just partition 475db into c: 150 d: 150 and linux 200 |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFI_system_partition |
| 14:37.50 | mms_ | how about 75 for linux os and 100 for linux data ? so home, var etc all in os partition and all new software like android sdk etc in linux data ? |
| 14:37.51 | diogenes_ | jelly, i'm not that technical to explain in detail the process but that's how i installed linux alongside windows on many machines, i never touch any partition that is already on that machine, so i always create additional ones and when it boots, itpicks the linux efi bootloader. |
| 14:37.55 | jelly | mms_: you can shrink that 475gb ntfs to make place for linux. No idea how beneficial it is to have two ntfs partitions for windows. |
| 14:38.00 | oiaohm | __marco: yes if you are hitting the one of the drives IOPS limits this does result in high ms values at times. |
| 14:38.35 | mms_ | jelly: ok I will shrink it and then add 3 more paritions as i said |
| 14:38.44 | jelly | diogenes_: yeah okay, but installer puts that bootloader on the already existing efi partition, when it's there |
| 14:38.50 | mms_ | so I will have 2 windows and 2 linux |
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| 14:38.58 | mms_ | jelly: ? |
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| 14:39.31 | mms_ | jelly: andy advise on linux side or should I just leave it as single like I have on my hdd |
| 14:39.38 | Anster | hellp |
| 14:39.39 | jelly | mms_: 2 windows (if that "rescue" partition is for windows), 1 efi system partion, 1 linux |
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| 14:40.29 | mms_ | jelly: there is already recovery, efi |
| 14:40.44 | jelly | those will stay there. |
| 14:40.52 | mms_ | from the rest which is ntfs I will shrink it and add 1 windows and 1 linux |
| 14:41.18 | __marco | oiaohm: be back soon |
| 14:41.18 | mms_ | I do not know if windows is installed on ntfs |
| 14:41.25 | jelly | it is. |
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| 14:41.49 | mms_ | jelly: is it windows os already install but it was not booting |
| 14:42.23 | jelly | oh. Maybe fix that first? Does the rescue thing work? |
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| 14:42.50 | mms_ | jelly: fix ? i was thinking fresh install on ssd |
| 14:43.07 | oiaohm | mms_: for those who don't know what they are doing I normallyr recommend not attempting putting 2 OS on one drive. |
| 14:43.35 | oiaohm | mms_: there are just many ways with repartitioning and so on to screw things up even worse. |
| 14:43.35 | mms_ | oiaohm: I already have hdd with both |
| 14:43.57 | mms_ | oiaohm: I got this new ssd from some one and want to use it |
| 14:44.05 | __marco | oiaohm: kernel 5.4, feels much responsive now |
| 14:44.08 | __marco | DSK | nvme0n1 | busy 0% | read 0 | write 24 | MBr/s 0.0 | MBw/s 0.1 | avio 1.50 ms |
| 14:44.20 | __marco | avio 1.50ms |
| 14:44.27 | mms_ | so like i did for hdd I will just create paritions and start installing |
| 14:44.31 | __marco | before was 100x more |
| 14:44.38 | oiaohm | __marco: that can be that the controller has cleared it cache and is starting off fresh. |
| 14:44.53 | mms_ | that sounds ok to me windows 10 may be will create or use the recovery efi etc. |
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| 14:45.08 | __marco | ok, let's do some work and see if numbers change |
| 14:45.27 | oiaohm | __marco: basically the speeds I was seeing look like you had pushed passed SSD rated limit and the controller controller was going o hell. |
| 14:45.44 | mms_ | jelly: ? |
| 14:46.10 | oiaohm | __marco: problem is OS don't let up either when they get behind. |
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| 14:46.30 | __marco | oiaohm: I see |
| 14:46.56 | oiaohm | __marco: yes SSD are good but they have their breaking point. |
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| 14:48.11 | mms_ | oiaohm: so my ssd currently showd recovery, efi, primary |
| 14:48.12 | __marco | I wasn't doing anything, that was strange |
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| 14:48.59 | mms_ | oiaohm: so I can just shring primary and reinstall windows. and create two more paritions for windows ntfs data and linux |
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| 14:49.18 | oiaohm | mms_: fun part is what is in recovery. |
| 14:50.02 | oiaohm | mms_: this is why I normally don't recommend this without knowledge of what the hell you are dealing with. I have seen different OEM recovery modes restest the partition tables back to factory. |
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| 14:50.17 | oiaohm | when you repair windows. |
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| 14:50.50 | mms_ | oiaohm: earlier in hdd I had just upgraded windows 7 to 10 like that by resintall |
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| 14:51.16 | mms_ | oiaohm: though it keeps showing windows 7 in windows 10 boot |
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| 14:52.02 | mms_ | oiaohm: I assume windows will understand existing recovery and efi |
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| 14:52.50 | oiaohm | That showing windows 7 in windows 10 boot is that the boot loader entry in windows would be still there even if the drive is removed. |
| 14:54.13 | oiaohm | mms_: the problem I have if recovery has backed up the gpt partition table you modify the primary partition size it will put it back before you modified if repair as been triggered some OEM instances/drivers do this. |
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| 14:55.25 | oiaohm | mms_: basically if you can install windows and leave the space for Linux is safer. doing it after the fact you are running bets that recovery or other things are not going to kick you in teeth. |
| 14:55.45 | jelly | mms_: I'd first fix windows, thne when it works, install linux |
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| 14:57.01 | mms_ | jelly: I have windows iso using which I will install |
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| 14:57.18 | mms_ | jelly: I assume install will ensure things can boot using ssd |
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| 14:58.36 | mms_ | jelly: ? |
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| 15:07.15 | queso | I have a laptop with Debian + XFCE on it. I don't want it to sleep, hybernate, turn off, do anything like that automatically. I've gone into the XFCE Power Manager and turned everything off, same with XScreenSaver. But it still goes into hybernate or something, and when I try turning it back on it resets. I just want it disabled. Is there anything obvious I'm missing? |
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| 15:09.34 | jelly | mms_: I've only installed modern windows like once. No opinions there. |
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| 15:12.06 | mutantturkey | queso: probably something with udev or such |
| 15:12.23 | mutantturkey | ah yes |
| 15:12.37 | mutantturkey | google points to systemd being retarded |
| 15:12.45 | mutantturkey | look at HandleLidClose |
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| 15:13.03 | mutantturkey | queso: https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 15:15.55 | __marco | oiaohm: now the system feels blazing fast :D |
| 15:16.02 | __marco | gimp opens in a second |
| 15:16.08 | __marco | before was fast |
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| 15:17.06 | queso | mutantturkey: Thanks. It also has been doing it when I don't even close the lid. |
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| 15:39.20 | deb__ | Hi. Where is the appropriate place to ask questions about the Debian package format? |
| 15:39.51 | Krennic | debian=ubuntu |
| 15:39.53 | Krennic | :P |
| 15:40.37 | joepublic | dpkg, tell krennic about debian is not ubuntu |
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| 15:41.49 | petn-randall | deb__: Really depends on which OS you're working. |
| 15:41.55 | Krennic | they use the same sudo apt the same packeges |
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| 15:42.12 | petn-randall | Krennic: Seems like you didn't read what the bot sent you. |
| 15:42.24 | joepublic | petn-randall, there's no factoid by that name. |
| 15:42.29 | Krennic | no cause im +R |
| 15:42.37 | deb__ | petn-randall: I am trying to modify the contents of a deb package. I am using deb-pkg-tools which depends on the Deb822 python package, but I am getting decoding errors. |
| 15:42.57 | greycat | Krennic: and dpkg is registered... |
| 15:43.00 | petn-randall | !based on debian |
| 15:43.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:43.03 | petn-randall | Krennic: ^^^ |
| 15:44.07 | petn-randall | deb__: There's #packaging for general questions, and #debian-mentors if you're packaging software for inclusion in Debian. |
| 15:44.22 | Krennic | well greycat i sond see eny msg or query from the bot in my irssi client |
| 15:44.41 | Krennic | but ty i just read what appear in the main channel |
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| 15:46.14 | deb__ | Thanks |
| 15:46.56 | deb__ | It seems #packaging is an empty channel/ |
| 15:47.10 | greycat | Other network, probably. |
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| 15:47.48 | deb__ | What is the hostname/port of the other network? |
| 15:47.53 | greycat | !oftc |
| 15:47.54 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 15:48.00 | deb__ | Thank you. |
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| 15:52.10 | knob | I downloaded the Debian10 Live cd (Xfce) yet it doesn't have an option for LUKS when installing. Anything I'm missing? |
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| 15:54.46 | knob | Ok... 1st, LUKS not showing up. Yet 2nd, and more important the Live cd was able to detect the ethernet card. Yet I just rebooted the laptop, and the ethernet card is nowhere to be seen. |
| 15:55.06 | knob | Do I have to do anything so the Live CD installer "installs" those drivers for the ethernet card? |
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| 15:59.54 | jhutchins_wk | knob: For luks you probably need the non-live installer. As far as ethernet, it might not have installed firmware or something. What chipset? lspci -nn will show the pciid which we can check in the database. |
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| 16:00.50 | greycat | for machines that intend to use wifi, I would generally want to start with the netinst-plus-nonfree-firmware image |
| 16:00.54 | knob | jhutchins_wk, thanks! I'm re-installing not via the Live. Using same boot usb (the "Live usb"), yet instead of going boot->LIVE xfce->install. I'm doing boot->install |
| 16:00.59 | greycat | !firmware image |
| 16:00.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:01.37 | knob | At the moment, the text installer asked me for the firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-5_all.deb file. |
| 16:02.17 | greycat | judd v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 16:02.18 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2 |
| 16:02.28 | greycat | seems like you're installing stretch (Debian 9) |
| 16:02.28 | knob | Oddly enough, this text installer accepted the above file (iwlfifi...), yet was unable to "autoconfigure" the DHCP on my ethernet. Something the "Live" image was able to do 10 minutes ago (same ethernet cable). |
| 16:02.38 | knob | greycat, really?! Jesus... lemme re-check. |
| 16:03.05 | greycat | or, for whatever reason, it's asking for the stretch version of the firmware |
| 16:03.32 | knob | This is the filename I just dropped into a USB (30 minutes ago): debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-xfce |
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| 16:04.03 | knob | Oh greycat, sorry, it asked for either iwlwifi 5 or 6. I downloaded 5. Let me check the exact message... |
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| 16:08.37 | knob | Ok, the installer tells me: Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. ...... Then it asks for iflwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode and a line below it also lists iwlwifi-6000g2b-5.ucode |
| 16:08.55 | greycat | hence, starting with the non-free netinst images... |
| 16:09.08 | knob | I dropped the g2b-5 version into a usb drive. |
| 16:09.09 | knob | Ahh |
| 16:09.18 | knob | Ok. Let me give it another go. Going to download that one now. |
| 16:10.14 | knob | I can download from this link, or via torrent. Would you happen to know how to arrive at the non-free firmware download page for torrent? |
| 16:10.31 | knob | I always try to download via torrents... for speed, and later seeding. |
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| 16:13.04 | knob | I'm at this link, yet I can't figure out the nomenclature: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.3.0+nonfree/amd64/ |
| 16:13.36 | knob | "bt" stands for?? I believe jigdo is a "ftp hopper" setup? |
| 16:16.16 | jelly | knob: bittorrent. Download an installer image from iso-cd or iso-dvd. |
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| 16:17.00 | knob | bt bittorrent. *facepalm*.. Thanks jelly. I'm re-downloading now |
| 16:17.02 | jelly | jigdo is |
| 16:17.06 | jelly | !jigdo |
| 16:17.06 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is a method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ Jigdo uses .deb packages and a .jigdo receipe to create the image. |
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| 16:22.13 | knob | I'm downloading the firmware-10.3.0-amd64-DVD. I'll install once it done and see what's up. |
| 16:22.20 | knob | Will update shortly. |
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| 16:53.15 | knob | Alright! Finished downloading. Dropping the firmware DVD image into a USB now and then re-attempting install. |
| 16:53.18 | kapil | what is the goal of debian? |
| 16:53.30 | greycat | !why debian |
| 16:53.30 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 16:53.40 | han-solo | to conquer the world! |
| 16:54.01 | knob | I absolutely love Debian. Favorite distro hands down. |
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| 16:55.48 | veikko | I had to compile my own kernel because debian stable had a kernel driver bug :'( |
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| 16:56.26 | JyZyXEL | stable works fine with vanilla kernel builds |
| 16:56.36 | veikko | yeah, it's good now |
| 16:56.49 | veikko | but compiling the kernel involves some work |
| 16:56.55 | veikko | tuning the config |
| 16:57.03 | greycat | stable works "fine" on common hardware that's not too new |
| 16:57.05 | veikko | easier just to apt install |
| 16:57.29 | JyZyXEL | you can use olddefconfig and schedule the compiling automatically |
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| 17:02.39 | look09 | hi viper |
| 17:03.10 | look09 | no one home? |
| 17:03.14 | ViperXL75 | hi |
| 17:03.15 | ViperXL75 | hehehe |
| 17:03.24 | look09 | lol |
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| 17:03.26 | ViperXL75 | i'm looking for something rather simple |
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| 17:03.37 | ViperXL75 | How to change the MAC address of my Debian9 stretch machine |
| 17:03.47 | look09 | Hmmm |
| 17:03.55 | ViperXL75 | tried through the GUI... but the MAC didn't get changed |
| 17:04.14 | ViperXL75 | even when i launched the configuration centre via root in terminal |
| 17:04.27 | look09 | and I'm trying to find out how to turn auto updates back on my phone |
| 17:04.41 | ViperXL75 | in a debian channel ?!? 0_o |
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| 17:05.04 | look09 | Still trying to find some better channels |
| 17:05.14 | ViperXL75 | what kinda phone u have? |
| 17:05.15 | ViperXL75 | Android? |
| 17:05.19 | look09 | Yes |
| 17:05.35 | ViperXL75 | and how come u think there's no Update enabled on it? |
| 17:05.47 | look09 | My radio is glitching out as well |
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| 17:06.21 | ViperXL75 | Open Google Play Store -> Touch the hamburger icon in the top-left, swipe up and choose Settings. -> Under General, tap Auto-update apps. -> Choose the first option: Do not auto-update apps. |
| 17:06.39 | ViperXL75 | and join the channel #android |
| 17:06.40 | ViperXL75 | :) |
| 17:06.42 | look09 | Because it wanted to download 32 updates yesterday, then I had to leave the hotspot I was on |
| 17:06.58 | look09 | I have Android 9.0 |
| 17:07.20 | towo` | android whatever version is not debian, nor linux |
| 17:07.24 | look09 | Now the auto updates don't appear |
| 17:07.27 | towo` | so absoliutely wrong channel |
| 17:07.46 | look09 | What's a good channel? |
| 17:07.52 | ViperXL75 | uh oh... one woke up |
| 17:07.54 | ViperXL75 | #android |
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| 17:07.55 | greycat | it is Linux, I think... but definitely not Debian |
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| 17:08.55 | look09 | Hmm |
| 17:09.21 | ViperXL75 | ok. Now that u all woke up.... How do i change the Mac address of my Debian9-stretch machine? (Gui didnt succeed) |
| 17:09.31 | greycat | you could start with: /msg alis list *android* |
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| 17:11.50 | knob | I'm still copying the iso image to the USB drive. As an aside, I receive a Purism Librem5 phone. Still needs lots of work, yet I am super happy that phone exists. |
| 17:11.52 | knob | It's a start. |
| 17:12.11 | cybercrypto | :-) change mac address? hehehe... |
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| 17:12.44 | ViperXL75 | yeah man. The hardware address of my network card. |
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| 17:13.05 | ViperXL75 | and no.... it's not MacDonalds. |
| 17:13.06 | towo` | ViperXL75, google => debian spoof mac address |
| 17:13.06 | ViperXL75 | :P |
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| 17:14.23 | ViperXL75 | hmm.... ok |
| 17:14.31 | cybercrypto | ViperXL75: thank God it is not mc donalds... |
| 17:15.18 | mag_the_rose | Hi, if I try to apt-get upgrade, I get problems with generating initramfs... Can I paste the generated errors to pastebin? |
| 17:16.08 | greycat | mag_the_rose: paste.debian.net is preferred |
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| 17:17.55 | mag_the_rose | Thx, so here it is: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b179766f/ |
| 17:18.49 | greycat | "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64" and a bunch of lines of the form "modinfo: ERROR: could not get modinfo from 'hid_keytouch': Exec format error" |
| 17:18.58 | greycat | What kind of system is this? |
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| 17:20.03 | mag_the_rose | It's debian stretch, I'm trying upgrading to buster... |
| 17:20.07 | greycat | ,file lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko |
| 17:20.12 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 17:20.14 | greycat | No, I mean what kind of hardware? |
| 17:20.24 | greycat | ,file hid-samsung.ko |
| 17:20.27 | knob | Seems like the "linux inside Samsung" thing |
| 17:20.28 | judd | Search for hid-samsung.ko in buster/amd64: linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64-unsigned: lib/modules/4.19.0-8-rt-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64: lib/modules/4.19.0-8-rt-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64: lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64-unsigned: |
| 17:20.29 | judd | lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko; linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/4.19.0-8-rt-amd64/kernel/drivers/hid/hid-samsung.ko |
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| 17:20.36 | greycat | hmm. |
| 17:20.46 | mag_the_rose | It's a virtual machine under kvm/qemu, hosting LAMP stack with nextcloud... |
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| 17:22.25 | greycat | what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say, and what does "file /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/3com/3c589_cs.ko" say? |
| 17:25.18 | mag_the_rose | dpkg --print-architecture is amd64 |
| 17:25.18 | dpkg | mag_the_rose: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:25.50 | mag_the_rose | The file command: "/lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/3com/3c589_cs.ko: data" |
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| 17:26.39 | greycat | Seems like you've got corrupted driver files. |
| 17:26.52 | greycat | they should say something like "/lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/3com/3c589_cs.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), BuildID[sha1]=4add97edaea1e01d3beb16a9b571800e94026c2f, not stripped" |
| 17:27.38 | mag_the_rose | Hmm, if I get these files from the corresponding package and copy it over manually? |
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| 17:53.58 | knob | Ok, I'm using this image to install: firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst And the installer still asks me for the iwlwifi-6000g2b-5 (and g2b-6) files for the network drivers. |
| 17:53.59 | knob | =\ |
| 17:54.02 | knob | I'm at a loss. |
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| 17:58.25 | greycat | best strategy, then, is to install as much as you can, boot it, connect to ethernet, and download whatever else is needed to get wireless up |
| 17:58.40 | greycat | or sneakernet if you can't get ethernet working |
| 17:59.35 | towo` | iwlwifi-6000g2b-5 is not packaged in debian available |
| 17:59.45 | greycat | !iwlwifi |
| 17:59.46 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
| 18:01.15 | knob | greycat, ok, I did an idiotic thing. I was dropping the file iwlwifi for, as you said, a different distro. I think it was jessie. So I just typed in "buster" in the URL, and I'm using that file now. |
| 18:01.27 | knob | firmware-iwlwifi_20190114-2_all.deb |
| 18:01.31 | look09 | life signs? |
| 18:01.32 | knob | Much more recent file. |
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| 18:12.08 | knob | My ethernet card is an Qualcomm Atheros AR8151.... and... I'm at the end of this string --> http://mindmapapp.blogspot.com/2012/01/use-atheros-ar8151-ethernet-card-on.html |
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| 18:15.54 | knob | Ok, I'm able to use the file firmware-iwlwifi_20190114-2_all.deb during installation, loaded from USB removable media. Yet when the ethernet card is going to connect, it throws an error "Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol." |
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| 18:16.10 | knob | Yet I connected this same laptop today with a Debian Live USB... and it was DHCP just fine. |
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| 18:22.07 | mag_the_rose | It worked! Thankx :) |
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| 19:01.30 | andre144k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:02.16 | greycat | make sure it is NOT mounted |
| 19:02.18 | andre144k | i have absolute no idea why stick is read only? |
| 19:02.37 | andre144k | stick issnt mounted ! |
| 19:03.10 | andre144k | i put inside laptop without mount-command |
| 19:04.04 | andre144k | "cat /proc/mtab | grep -c sdc" will give 0 |
| 19:04.11 | andre144k | "cat /etc/mtab | grep -c sdc" will give 0 |
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| 19:05.03 | lupulo | andre144k, connect the usb and from terminal do dmesg |
| 19:05.12 | lupulo | the device could change his name |
| 19:05.24 | lupulo | sdc -> sdb -> sda |
| 19:05.30 | lupulo | depends from udev or ... |
| 19:06.19 | andre144k | abolute not - because i bootet from live cd |
| 19:06.33 | andre144k | and i put stick of - then /dev/sdc* issnt there |
| 19:06.52 | andre144k | then i put stick on - then /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 is there |
| 19:06.53 | greycat | then you are using the wrong device. use dmesg to see the correct device. |
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| 19:07.58 | lupulo | andre144k, or use fdisk -l |
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| 19:08.48 | greycat | It's also unclear whether you really meant '"cat /proc/mtab | grep -c sdc" will give 0' (speculation), or 'I ran "cat /proc/mtab | grep -c sdc" and it gave 0" |
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| 19:09.21 | andre144k | greycat, dmesg shows /dev/sdc when i stick usb on port. fdisk -l shows correct disk discription |
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| 19:09.27 | andre144k | for /dev/sdc |
| 19:10.16 | greycat | If you're using the correct device, and if you *actually* checked that it's not mounted (some desktop environments auto-mount things), then the remaining hypothesis is that the stick is broken. |
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| 19:10.31 | greycat | Some sticks go into "read only mode" when they're starting to die. |
| 19:10.32 | lupulo | andre144k, perhaps it was bullshit quality |
| 19:10.44 | lupulo | nothing about iso 9001 |
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| 19:11.14 | andre144k | its an live-cd i started - grml |
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| 19:11.44 | andre144k | only commandline |
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| 19:12.01 | andre144k | there i try to delete this partitions |
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| 19:12.53 | andre144k | hmm, ill try gparted - with x11 - but... |
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| 19:14.45 | lupulo | andre144k, but that is a iso not a partition https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660 |
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| 19:15.25 | andre144k | i have a grml linux iso - i booted from |
| 19:15.38 | andre144k | and i have a usbstick i want delete all partitions |
| 19:15.51 | andre144k | iso ill boot via cdrom |
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| 19:16.34 | andre144k | usbstick i put after booting from cdrom into port |
| 19:16.45 | jelly | if you have a full grml it has X and gparted on it |
| 19:16.48 | greycat | If you're using the correct device, and it's not mounted, and fdisk can't do it, and cfdisk can't do it, and parted can't do it, and dd ... can't do it, then the remaining hypothesis is that the stick is broken. |
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| 19:17.03 | andre144k | jelly, yes ill try in some seconds |
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| 19:18.40 | lupulo | andre144k, there is the possibility the usb have becomen out of game |
| 19:19.19 | andre144k | gparted> cant write on /dev/sdc beause its opend readonly |
| 19:19.29 | andre144k | its a new stick... |
| 19:19.39 | lupulo | i have one pny is readonly forever |
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| 19:19.53 | lupulo | with windows register too |
| 19:20.36 | lupulo | andre144k, testdisk could help you too |
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| 19:22.43 | andre144k | thnx for help |
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| 19:24.56 | lupulo | andre144k, which is the brand? |
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| 19:26.57 | andre144k | kingston datatraveler 100 |
| 19:28.10 | andre144k | https://www.wikihow.com/Remove-the-Read%E2%80%90Only-State-from-a-USB-Drive |
| 19:28.40 | andre144k | steps 10/11 are working |
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| 19:28.57 | andre144k | but in step 12 i see "readonly flag = on" again |
| 19:29.27 | andre144k | so it looks like dead |
| 19:30.08 | andre144k | the usb-disk has an bootable linux distro - its working well ... so its little bit crazy all. |
| 19:33.20 | andre144k | testdisk dont work also - no write access... please check root, permissions or jumpers :) |
| 19:33.37 | andre144k | okay no more tests after one hour.... a new usbdisk |
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| 19:41.06 | lupulo | andre144k, https://thelinuxshop.co.uk/linux-drives-c-53.html |
| 19:42.05 | lupulo | triple pack Linux USB Triple Pack (Ubuntu, Mint, openSUSE) Freak Freak |
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| 19:46.12 | sklv1 | maybe have a look if there |
| 19:46.20 | sklv1 | is anything about your sdc usb drive in dmesg |
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| 19:52.19 | Peyam | hi |
| 19:52.29 | Peyam | how can I install xflux on buster? |
| 19:52.32 | Peyam | is it gone? |
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| 20:44.33 | Hatter | It seems squid as a transparent proxy is not as useful anymore now that all sites are SSL , what do we do now for a transparent proxy ? |
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| 20:47.38 | sponix2ipfw | https://dev.to/suntong/a-short-guide-on-squid-transparent-proxy-ssl-bumping-k5c |
| 20:48.04 | Hatter | @spnix2ipfw, thank you |
| 20:48.13 | sponix2ipfw | https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-install-and-configure-squid-proxy-on-debian-10/ |
| 20:48.36 | sponix2ipfw | Not sure those are 100% what you are in need of -- But they look semi-promising |
| 20:49.01 | Hatter | I have looked at that idea before, but that means a self signed cert which will show up as a broken padlock in a browser |
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| 21:00.59 | yes | i'm having bluetooth troubles. got some headphones which purportedly do bluetooth 4.0. i'm on a 2017 laptop. bluetoothctl sees some other bluetooth devices but not this one |
| 21:01.03 | yes | this is on debian buster |
| 21:01.47 | yes | i'm a total noob at bluetooth, not really sure how to get lower level in order to figure out more details about what might be wrong |
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| 21:14.33 | lupulo | yes, https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 21:21.43 | yes | lupulo: thanks, looking now |
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| 21:25.27 | yes | lupulo: following that page, i get to the part where i try to connect manually (because the gui tools are failing me) |
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| 21:26.10 | yes | and `root@corylus:/home/j# rfcomm connect hci0 00:1B:66:AC:99:00` response with "Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Permission denied" |
| 21:26.17 | yes | surprising, since i issued that command as root |
| 21:26.27 | yes | but perhaps indicative of my root issue |
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| 21:37.56 | lwp | yes, what is your root issue ? maybe this one ? |
| 21:38.00 | lwp | !buster su |
| 21:38.00 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 21:38.31 | yes | lwp: not sure what my root issue is |
| 21:38.51 | yes | my direct symptom is that i don't see the bluetooth headphones listed in any bluetooth tools on this laptop |
| 21:39.00 | yes | i can connect to them with other devices, like my phone |
| 21:39.04 | lwp | yes, read dpkg message above; and if that doesn't help, tell us more details about the "root issue" |
| 21:39.10 | yes | i have read that |
| 21:39.58 | yes | lwp: perhaps i was misunderstood. "root issue" could be parsed as "issue pertaining to being root", or "issue which is the root cause of some, more directly observable issue" |
| 21:40.01 | yes | i intended the latter |
| 21:40.26 | yes | `sudo su` still works, i think, just fine in order to become root and run command as uid0 |
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| 21:41.33 | JordiGH | What's supposed to happen when I select memtest86 from the grub menu? The menu just disappears, the Debian GRUB splash image stays there, and nothing happens for about a minute. |
| 21:41.47 | JordiGH | Should I just wait longer and get memtest results in a few hours? |
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| 21:47.54 | JordiGH | I was expecting to get a pretty TUI with memtest86+ |
| 21:48.11 | tarzeau | JordiGH: /me prefers memtester over memtest86* |
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| 21:48.23 | tarzeau | JordiGH: can also write a TUI for memtester using iselect |
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| 21:48.54 | yes | does anyone know of a bluetooth channel where folks know the ins-and-outs of hci and bluez? |
| 21:50.21 | JordiGH | Well, is it worrying that I seemingly can't boot into memtest86+? Should I just wait longer? |
| 21:50.36 | lupulo | yes, blueman always works... do you have tried? |
| 21:50.50 | yes | lupulo: i have tried it, yes |
| 21:51.11 | yes | lupulo: the issue is that the device i'm trying to pair with doesn't even show up when i scan |
| 21:51.43 | yes | lupulo: not sure how to debug the next steps. i can pair the device (a pair of headphones) with other computers, like my telephone |
| 21:51.46 | lupulo | so antique question |
| 21:51.49 | lupulo | for me |
| 21:51.56 | lupulo | i don't remember |
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| 21:58.49 | JordiGH | Hm, are there any Debian-specific docs on memtest86+? |
| 21:59.07 | tinga | Hey. For some reason, for about a week or so now often my left mouse button behaves as if it were the right one. Inconsistently. It happens in various X apps. Any idea? Touch interface stuff? I'm on oldstable, security upgrade? Or did I toggle some setting accidentally somehow? |
| 22:00.00 | JordiGH | tinga: I know several DEs have options for flipping the mouse buttons around. Are you using a DE? |
| 22:00.07 | JordiGH | Or... just FVWM or something? |
| 22:00.07 | tinga | JordiGH, there's the doc dir as usual, /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/, not sure what else |
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| 22:00.25 | tinga | JordiGH, what's a DE? |
| 22:00.46 | JordiGH | Desktop environment (gnome, plasma, mate, cinnamon...) |
| 22:00.55 | tinga | Xfce here |
| 22:01.08 | JordiGH | Right, did you look at the xfce mouse options? |
| 22:01.37 | tinga | There's the "Mouse and Touchpad" settings tool, didn't find anything there. |
| 22:02.10 | JordiGH | I have something about right-handed vs left-handed in mate's mouse settings. |
| 22:02.33 | Unit193 | tinga: Do you have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed? |
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| 22:02.58 | tinga | The odd thing is it's not consistent. Just every say 5th left click it does a right click (even at the same time I think, it usually does both the left click action then opens the context menu) |
| 22:03.12 | tinga | Unit193, nope |
| 22:04.23 | tinga | Maybe my mouse is breaking down? But I can't reproduce it: i.e. I can press as hard or odd onto left button as I want and don't get the right click; but then suddenly in some situations it happens almost all the time. I suspect timing related or something. |
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| 22:13.55 | knob | I just put this Debian10 image into a usb: firmware-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-1 And during install, it is still asking me for the network hardware files. It´s asking me for iwlwifi-6000g2b-5 and g2b-6 |
| 22:13.57 | knob | =\ |
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| 22:14.37 | knob | Am I missing something basic? I thought the "firmware-10.3.0-amd64..." would have all those files for network hardware? |
| 22:15.16 | tinga | knob, I ran into this in the past one one computer then realized on another one that I got networking anyway without additional drivers. I'm still unclear how this part of the installer works. |
| 22:15.35 | knob | tinga, thanks. I have something amiss somewhere. |
| 22:15.46 | Unit193 | tinga: Well that's to say, Xfce uses that package to configure mouse settings. |
| 22:15.54 | knob | This is on a Dell ZPS 14z laptop (a little bit old, but still good). |
| 22:16.14 | tinga | (knob i.e. I think in *some* cases, even though the installer asks for drivers, you can ignore it, *I think*.) |
| 22:16.27 | tinga | Unit193, ah, thanks, will try that then |
| 22:17.00 | knob | tinga, tried earlier to ignore, then it just didn't connect to the network. I then got it to work by putting static IP address (via ethernet)..... yet I never saw the laptop pop up un my router (neither IP nor MAC). And when the installer went to hit the Debian mirrors, it failed. |
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| 22:18.39 | tinga | knob, dunno then. I know I don't understand that part of the installer is all I can say. Hopefully someone else can help. |
| 22:19.20 | knob | tinga, all good. Thanks. Earlier a couple of the regulars were throwing their help here. It's all good. =) |
| 22:19.49 | knob | The odd thing is that if I load a Debian LIVE CD... it connects to the network just fine (and I see the laptop pop up on my router with IP and MAC). |
| 22:20.39 | knob | I just realized that the installer, 50% of the time detect the ethernet card, and 50% of the time it doesn't. Yet all the time it detects the wireless network card. |
| 22:20.46 | knob | Maybe hardware failure on the laptop? |
| 22:22.41 | tinga | If in this situation I'd (1) try to find someone who could help, (2) try to get a wifi dongle that is supported, (3) if I felt like experimenting boot from the live CD then partition the disk and debootstrap and grub setup etc. manually (I'm sure there's tons of things that can go wrong this route so it won't be painless) |
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| 22:24.46 | tinga | rebooting to test xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
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| 22:25.23 | Leonid | hallo |
| 22:25.32 | Leonid | some one here need some help |
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| 22:30.12 | jhutchins | knob: There's a firmware-nonfree package as well (in non-free). |
| 22:30.34 | knob | jhutchins, checking that now... |
| 22:31.53 | Rozha | jhutchins hallo can you help |
| 22:31.57 | Rozha | little bit ) |
| 22:32.00 | knob | jhutchins, this guy? --> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.3.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-cd/ |
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| 22:32.58 | mtn | Rozha: The best way to get help is to ask your real question. Give as much detail as you can in a sentence or two. |
| 22:33.03 | Rozha | jhutchins i install debian how to install manual ip adress and ets :) |
| 22:33.14 | karlpinc | !interfaces |
| 22:33.14 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration . See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 22:33.15 | Rozha | or only dhcp and then iptable |
| 22:34.26 | karlpinc | Rozha: You use /etc/network/interfaces unless you want to use networkmanager. I find networkmanager annoying, but your choice. |
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| 22:34.43 | Rozha | dpkg i just install system not installed threw install can i put it manual |
| 22:34.44 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Rozha |
| 22:35.10 | karlpinc | Rozha: dpkg is a bot. |
| 22:35.17 | Rozha | :) |
| 22:35.21 | Rozha | srry :) |
| 22:35.25 | dym | It still has feelings! |
| 22:35.32 | Wh0IsS | Hello ppl, i have problem with my sdcard on debian10. writen on it raspbery pi iso image. i need to access files but not mounting. |
| 22:35.40 | karlpinc | Rozha: So your system is installed? (did you use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included?) |
| 22:35.49 | Rozha | no i just install it |
| 22:35.53 | Rozha | threw progress |
| 22:36.04 | Wh0IsS | i installed nonfree firmware too. |
| 22:36.06 | Wh0IsS | sudo mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt |
| 22:36.07 | Wh0IsS | mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. |
| 22:36.32 | greatgatsby | !netplan |
| 22:36.43 | greatgatsby | <shrug> |
| 22:36.46 | karlpinc | Rozha: The normal installation process sets up your network. |
| 22:36.48 | Rozha | karlpinc i wan to to put ip manul threw installing can i do it |
| 22:36.58 | Rozha | it take dhcp |
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| 22:37.19 | Rozha | can i put manual ip ? or only when isnall iptabel ? |
| 22:37.34 | karlpinc | Rozha: You can tell the installer to either use dhcp or to setup your system with a manually specified ip (netmask, dhcp server, etc.) |
| 22:37.53 | karlpinc | Rozha: iptables is something different. |
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| 22:38.38 | tinga | Unit193, JordiGH : I can confirm that with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics I've got the left vs right handed setting. Was on right handed as expected. Not sure what to do, will continue to observe. |
| 22:38.50 | tinga | Maybe it's a broken mouse after all. |
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