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| 01:19.40 | treerute | hey |
| 01:20.09 | treerute | polari cant connect, but hexchat can. any idea why? |
| 01:21.43 | pingfloyd | polari is garbage? |
| 01:21.49 | treerute | is it?? |
| 01:22.02 | treerute | ive never used before |
| 01:22.09 | pingfloyd | I don't know, but it's not sounding too promising from the sounds of it |
| 01:22.19 | treerute | what have you heard? |
| 01:22.27 | pingfloyd | I'm going to assume you configured it right since you got hexchat working |
| 01:22.49 | pingfloyd | treerute: I mean sounds of it from you just said |
| 01:23.01 | treerute | hexchat is working fine off the bat, polari wasnt |
| 01:23.04 | pingfloyd | i.e., hexchat works fine, but polari doesn't |
| 01:23.11 | treerute | yeah |
| 01:23.18 | treerute | polari just WONT connect to any servers |
| 01:23.25 | pingfloyd | treerute: maybe you have to configure the servers in polari? |
| 01:23.41 | pingfloyd | treerute: also are you using say tls or sasl etc |
| 01:23.54 | treerute | how would i do that? |
| 01:24.03 | treerute | like ghow would i configure the servers? |
| 01:24.04 | pingfloyd | you probably aren't if you're not sure |
| 01:24.10 | treerute | and i dont know what tls or sasl is? |
| 01:24.14 | pingfloyd | they usually require some tweaking of the client |
| 01:24.23 | treerute | yeah i just added them, polari is like the gnome default irc? |
| 01:24.43 | pingfloyd | tls is so your connection is encrypted end to end |
| 01:24.51 | pingfloyd | and sasl is another means to authenticate on here |
| 01:25.05 | treerute | oh ok |
| 01:25.10 | pingfloyd | treerute: it's an actual gnome app? |
| 01:25.26 | treerute | well i dont know, im learning irc today, and this is my first time ever using it |
| 01:25.33 | treerute | apperently |
| 01:26.04 | pingfloyd | looks like it is |
| 01:26.12 | treerute | yeah, from quick search yeah |
| 01:26.13 | pingfloyd | gnome apps are terrible in regards to configuration |
| 01:26.27 | pingfloyd | they try to be hands off about everything |
| 01:26.35 | treerute | yeah, all exept for gedit i think |
| 01:26.41 | treerute | gedit is pretty good |
| 01:26.43 | pingfloyd | yeah, gedit is one of the better ones |
| 01:26.52 | treerute | 100% it is |
| 01:27.01 | annadane | the ubiquitous hamburger menu |
| 01:27.10 | pingfloyd | annadane: I hate the hamburger menu |
| 01:27.12 | treerute | hahahha. |
| 01:27.19 | annadane | "settings" |
| 01:27.19 | treerute | its not so bad |
| 01:27.21 | annadane | 5 options |
| 01:27.30 | pingfloyd | annadane: dumbest things ever for PC |
| 01:27.45 | treerute | 5 options? its simple and sleek, good for development. but not feild work i think |
| 01:27.47 | pingfloyd | I can see the utility of a hamburger menu on your phone though |
| 01:27.47 | annadane | #makexfcethedefaultdebiandesktop |
| 01:28.04 | pingfloyd | xfce is what I use |
| 01:28.10 | treerute | are you all running debian? |
| 01:28.13 | pingfloyd | it's like what gnome would be if it didn't suck so much |
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| 01:28.23 | treerute | hahahahaha |
| 01:28.34 | annadane | i am running debian though i like to experiment with other things sometimes but debian's the ultimate "set it up once, leave me alone" |
| 01:28.43 | pingfloyd | i.e., what gnome would be if some common sense was applied in its design |
| 01:28.53 | treerute | lol |
| 01:28.57 | treerute | 3.36 looks ok |
| 01:29.00 | pingfloyd | treerute: yep, running debian |
| 01:29.12 | treerute | get lightdm with gnome, lightdm has so much cinfiguration |
| 01:29.19 | treerute | especialy with the greeter |
| 01:29.20 | pingfloyd | treerute: it's been my goto distro for over a decade |
| 01:29.37 | treerute | im running debain based, and its good |
| 01:29.50 | treerute | so uname says debain |
| 01:29.50 | pingfloyd | lightdm is a DM design with some lack of common sense too |
| 01:29.54 | treerute | debian* |
| 01:30.11 | treerute | hahahahaha, i like it because its light weight, what |
| 01:30.12 | pingfloyd | like it doesn't source profil |
| 01:30.16 | pingfloyd | profile |
| 01:30.16 | treerute | login manager are you using? |
| 01:30.24 | pingfloyd | e.g., /etc/profile nor ~/.profile |
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| 01:30.46 | treerute | yeah true |
| 01:30.49 | annadane | you can't start KDE with lightdm in debian :P |
| 01:30.51 | pingfloyd | all because they think it's not the DM's job to do that. Let's just forget about tradition and expectations. |
| 01:31.01 | pingfloyd | they know better |
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| 01:31.08 | treerute | they do |
| 01:31.14 | treerute | nah ahahahah, not sure really |
| 01:31.15 | pingfloyd | because they made a sucky display manager |
| 01:31.21 | treerute | login screen just needs to work and look good for me |
| 01:31.33 | treerute | also lightdm has not really any security |
| 01:31.34 | annadane | there's slim i think, for a more lighter approach |
| 01:31.46 | pingfloyd | treerute: them breaking tradition like that though, presents some conundrums in some cases |
| 01:31.47 | treerute | i moslty using gdm3 |
| 01:32.14 | treerute | its simple, and good i think |
| 01:32.35 | treerute | @pingfloyd yeah |
| 01:32.42 | pingfloyd | gdm is better than lightdm at least |
| 01:32.57 | treerute | well, its good cos if you dont want to use it, dont! with proprietay os you dont ge5t the choice |
| 01:33.03 | pingfloyd | there was a long time where I got fed up DMs and ran without them |
| 01:33.06 | treerute | love gdm |
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| 01:33.14 | pingfloyd | now I'm trying to remember why I'm using one now |
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| 01:33.17 | treerute | but not sure how to costomize it? |
| 01:33.31 | treerute | using what? |
| 01:33.35 | pingfloyd | lightdm |
| 01:33.35 | treerute | a propreitary os? |
| 01:33.38 | treerute | oh dm |
| 01:33.42 | pingfloyd | yeah dm |
| 01:33.52 | treerute | nice, same here, yo i gotta frop |
| 01:33.52 | annadane | startx annoys me, trying to find the right things to put in .xsession or .xinitrc or whatever |
| 01:33.54 | pingfloyd | for ages I used startx instead |
| 01:33.55 | treerute | drop* |
| 01:34.03 | annadane | hence, display manager |
| 01:34.10 | pingfloyd | annadane: yeah, that's a bit of maze of configuration |
| 01:34.25 | treerute | ill be back later i suppose, ill bbe making a channel or whatever called htyu. join there and if i get polari working ill see you there later. |
| 01:34.29 | pingfloyd | there's all sorts of places it sources those |
| 01:34.37 | pingfloyd | it's a big mess |
| 01:34.55 | pingfloyd | treerute: good luck |
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| 01:35.37 | treerute | thanks. |
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| 01:39.22 | annadane | is it a mess? i've just been lazy about it |
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| 01:53.23 | prp-e | Hello guys, I have a question : What's current easy-to-use remastering tool for debian? (besides linux-live, linux respin, bootcd and live-build) |
| 01:53.58 | pingfloyd | annadane: there's a lot of sourcing going on all over the place with it |
| 01:54.19 | pingfloyd | annadane: also alternatives has some play at which ones get used. |
| 01:54.31 | annadane | wonder if the BSDs have it more unified, probably |
| 01:54.39 | pingfloyd | annadane: it's been a while since I've wrangled with it. |
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| 01:54.47 | AngelKde | prp-e, https://github.com/kamilion/customizer/wiki/Remastering |
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| 01:55.09 | pingfloyd | annadane: I remember it involving look at a lot of files and trying to make sense out of the flow of execution |
| 01:55.20 | annadane | you mean in debian, or bsd? |
| 01:55.28 | pingfloyd | annadane: with Xorg in general |
| 01:55.32 | treerute | yo |
| 01:55.34 | prp-e | AngelKde, thanks. I'll take a look. |
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| 01:55.44 | treerute | im using irssi now, what clients are you guys using? |
| 01:55.48 | annadane | hexchat |
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| 01:55.58 | annadane | i'd love to try freebsd but getting it to work as a desktop is a bit weird |
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| 01:56.13 | pingfloyd | annadane: it's not too hard to get working |
| 01:56.15 | annadane | need to brush up on some concepts |
| 01:56.15 | treerute | stick with GNU+Linux, its best |
| 01:56.22 | pingfloyd | annadane: but it seems to lag behind linux a lot |
| 01:56.45 | treerute | linux has more support, but not TOO much supprt, so its better id say at least |
| 01:57.03 | treerute | pingfloyd: what irc client are you using? |
| 01:57.12 | annadane | i'll take the "slightly more inaccurate but you can get a working system in 5 minutes" of linux over the "code correctness but manually adjusting everything and relearning entire paradigms" of bsd |
| 01:57.35 | treerute | yeah i agree |
| 01:57.37 | annadane | on my main system, for now, anyway |
| 01:57.46 | annadane | i do respect what they're doing |
| 01:57.48 | treerute | debian yes? |
| 01:58.03 | treerute | freebsd is cool, im not gonna run it, but its still cool |
| 01:58.20 | treerute | and you dont HAVE to run it, thats the best part, but if you do want to run it you dcan |
| 01:58.31 | treerute | n1ck timed out |
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| 01:59.46 | treerute | hi n1ck |
| 01:59.54 | treerute | never mind |
| 02:00.10 | taserface | does freebsd have systemd |
| 02:00.20 | treerute | probably not |
| 02:00.24 | annadane | no |
| 02:00.34 | treerute | systemd lol |
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| 02:01.26 | treerute | i have heard that systemd is bad or? like its got a bad rap, why is that? |
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| 02:01.33 | Guest51243 | https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
| 02:01.38 | treerute | or is it litterally just a maemae |
| 02:01.57 | treerute | https"//dontspamlinks/please/ |
| 02:02.08 | Guest51243 | https://bryanostergaard.com/ |
| 02:02.13 | treerute | lol |
| 02:02.27 | prp-e | AngelKde : I took a look at that link, it's about UCK stuff. I look for something to create live disc from my debian installation. |
| 02:02.38 | prp-e | Linux-Respin is stupid. |
| 02:02.38 | Guest51243 | sigyn is not doing its job |
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| 02:03.08 | taserface | probably get whatever is used to create the standard debian live discs, and hack on that |
| 02:03.21 | taserface | can't imagine it would be too hard to at least change the set of pre-installed packages |
| 02:03.41 | treerute | shouldnt be, i just dont know how |
| 02:03.57 | treerute | you could get it to run a custom script after install? |
| 02:04.27 | prp-e | taserface, OK. It's 50 hours without sleep and I also have a hangover :P can you please give me a link to tools debian team themselves use for creating live cd's? |
| 02:04.28 | treerute | and just install what you need at the end? instead of actually adding the packages you want you can just have themm installed by adding the scirpt? |
| 02:04.59 | treerute | yeah 50 hours without sleep, no thanks ahahaha |
| 02:05.26 | prp-e | treerute, The problem is that, my employer wants a live image with a bunch of software pre-installed. |
| 02:06.00 | treerute | prp-e, well, what the hell for? |
| 02:06.16 | treerute | prp-e, sounds like a big ask... |
| 02:06.40 | prp-e | treerute, I don't know. They asked me (and paid me) to do that, 'cause I did the damn job in Pharaoh's age. |
| 02:06.49 | prp-e | Back then, we had relinux, remastersys |
| 02:06.52 | treerute | perhaps try a live persistance image and setup what you need? |
| 02:07.12 | treerute | ???? |
| 02:07.42 | prp-e | That's also one of choices. |
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| 02:09.09 | treerute | so what do you think you will end up doing? |
| 02:09.43 | treerute | prp-e have you ever made a live image before? i havent. but if i had to id use a live persistance and install what is needed |
| 02:10.16 | prp-e | If I'm not dying from lack of sleep or alcohol (or COVID-19), a stupid distro for employers and enough money for buying a new laptop is the result. |
| 02:10.43 | treerute | how much are you getting paid for it? |
| 02:11.12 | prp-e | It's around $45 per hours I spend on the project. |
| 02:11.44 | taserface | maybe start at https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ |
| 02:11.52 | taserface | that's all I have myself |
| 02:11.56 | taserface | never tried it personally |
| 02:12.03 | karlpinc | I'd use debian-live. Install on writeable media like a usb stick, install what you want, and then burn the result to whatever. |
| 02:13.21 | treerute | karlpinc, your username sounds like kernel panic, perposfully or? |
| 02:14.06 | karlpinc | treerute: Came that way. |
| 02:14.17 | prp-e | karlpinc, can you explain a bit more? I'm currently reading the wiki pages of course. But I really like to hear your experiences. |
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| 02:15.54 | annadane | treerute, re: systemd look up virtually anything on the internet to see the arguments |
| 02:16.00 | annadane | some people like it, some people hate it |
| 02:16.15 | annadane | or they like it as an init system but hate how it's feature creeping into everything |
| 02:16.37 | annadane | look up the wikipedia systemd article for example |
| 02:17.02 | treerute | yeah, ive seen the maemae things about how people hate having it in there systems, but ive always had it and no issues with it. |
| 02:18.02 | taserface | I hate it because I used to know how linux worked and now I don't anymore |
| 02:18.15 | treerute | hahahahaha. |
| 02:18.24 | taserface | but I don't blame people for that |
| 02:18.28 | treerute | taserface, so youve been using linux for a long time? |
| 02:18.34 | taserface | I'm sure there's a good reason ever distro has adpoted it |
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| 02:18.50 | treerute | yeah maybe |
| 02:18.52 | taserface | treerute: since before it was cool. |
| 02:19.07 | treerute | taserface; its cool? |
| 02:19.16 | treerute | i thought it was just better |
| 02:19.23 | sponix2ipfw | taserface: MX doesn't use systemd |
| 02:19.41 | annadane | neither does void, which is an interesting project |
| 02:19.52 | annadane | though both of them have the disadvantage of being small projects |
| 02:19.55 | sponix2ipfw | If that is our topic |
| 02:19.57 | treerute | still, everyone i meet thinks im either hacking, or, well yeah they all just see my linux laptop and instantly assume im breaking the law |
| 02:20.14 | annadane | well, depends on your definition of disadvantage |
| 02:20.24 | sponix2ipfw | treerute: you aren't? |
| 02:21.10 | treerute | treerute: in public? no im using fucking irssi. |
| 02:21.12 | treerute | and gimp |
| 02:21.18 | treerute | and they think im breaking the law |
| 02:21.28 | annadane | good song, though |
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| 02:21.53 | treerute | modern users beleive that anything that isnt a smart slick fancy QUI, is hacking. |
| 02:22.02 | treerute | who do we have to blame for that? |
| 02:22.11 | taserface | CSI |
| 02:22.29 | sponix2ipfw | treerute: common folk are afraid of anyone that can read these days. Let alone type |
| 02:22.39 | treerute | excuse my php, but dont you mean, cunts? |
| 02:22.42 | taserface | I think it was CSI that had that scene with two agents fighting the hackers by typing on the same keyboard |
| 02:22.55 | treerute | hahahahahaha, yeah common folk are so simple |
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| 02:23.08 | annadane | hacking is sort of like chess in movies/tv shows, always depicted wrong |
| 02:23.16 | treerute | yeah, how can two people type on 1 keyboead? |
| 02:23.24 | treerute | yep |
| 02:23.30 | treerute | hollywood |
| 02:23.38 | treerute | they are causing this |
| 02:24.03 | treerute | by lying to everyone, making smart people look like evil, and getting them kicked out |
| 02:24.19 | taserface | 30+ years ago just about EVERYBODY'S computer was just text |
| 02:24.56 | dvs | nah, about 35+ years |
| 02:24.57 | treerute | taserface, yep. and now... everyones computer is bloated and slow. |
| 02:25.08 | taserface | oh don't get me started |
| 02:25.08 | sponix2ipfw | Everyone folding? |
| 02:25.18 | treerute | folding? |
| 02:25.24 | taserface | remember when 256 megabytes was a shitload of memory |
| 02:25.34 | taserface | now it's inadequate |
| 02:25.36 | taserface | wtf is with that |
| 02:25.40 | dvs | it only costs that way. ;-) |
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| 02:26.20 | treerute | remember when you could fix currupted secotors by changing 1s to 0s |
| 02:26.42 | annadane | remember the 21st night of september? |
| 02:26.45 | sponix2ipfw | Foldin@home project to help solve the Corona issue |
| 02:27.37 | treerute | oh. |
| 02:27.57 | treerute | nah im not yet, but there is no groceries left |
| 02:27.59 | treerute | just chips |
| 02:28.42 | annadane | anyway, |
| 02:28.43 | annadane | !chat |
| 02:28.43 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
| 02:29.41 | treerute | sorry package manager |
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| 02:30.14 | treerute | dpkg -i <packagename>? no. okay that was funny. |
| 02:30.15 | dpkg | package <packagename>? no. okay that was funny. is already installed |
| 02:30.26 | dvs | heh |
| 02:30.31 | treerute | what? |
| 02:30.36 | treerute | dpkg --help |
| 02:30.36 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 02:30.42 | themill | dpkg, confuse treerute |
| 02:30.42 | dpkg | No, where are your pineapple yesterday, treerute? Shirts of the Republic of Tahiti with extra cheese. |
| 02:30.56 | mindlessmiss | hey guys |
| 02:31.20 | treerute | supdoc |
| 02:31.33 | treerute | treerute --help |
| 02:31.46 | treerute | treerute: usage treerute: <ipaddress> |
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| 02:32.13 | mindlessmiss | hey guys I have a problem with my mousae atuo-clicking... it seems to be some dsort of "feature" somewhere, whenever you move the mouse then pause on anything for a moment it will left-click |
| 02:32.48 | mindlessmiss | I have checked assitive technologies etc, noth9iing is turned om |
| 02:33.12 | mindlessmiss | i have tried rebooting... I also tried another mouse |
| 02:33.57 | mindlessmiss | any thoughts on what is causing this, it's really messing with me lol |
| 02:34.15 | annadane | treerute hacked your computer |
| 02:34.33 | annadane | (more seriously, no, i don't know, sorry) |
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| 02:36.17 | mindlessmiss | 8-} |
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| 02:37.28 | dvs | mindlessmiss, I think the feature is called "tapping" and I hate it too. |
| 02:37.40 | mindlessmiss | ffs this is driving me nuts im trying to copy paste it's a freakin nightmare |
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| 02:42.30 | mindlessmiss | dvs, hmm.. "tapping" from where does this tapping come from |
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| 02:45.30 | dvs | What do you mean? It happens when you touch the touchpad and don't move your finger. |
| 02:47.29 | mindlessmiss | I don't have a touchpad. it;'s a crap old desktop |
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| 03:59.52 | trysten | mindlessmiss: maybe start with xev |
| 04:02.18 | mindlessmiss | trysten, thanks I shall google it |
| 04:02.34 | annadane | it's probably already installed |
| 04:02.42 | annadane | it's a thing you can use to see what keys get pressed |
| 04:03.22 | annadane | but i have no idea how you'd use it to solve your problem |
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| 04:05.55 | mindlessmiss | I just reasd a bit abouit it yeah thanks I will give it a try, I will have to logoff openbox and use mate.. |
| 04:06.06 | trysten | You shouldn't need to, just run it. |
| 04:06.29 | trysten | I don't either annadane, but thought it might be a place to start |
| 04:06.49 | trysten | Is it just normal click events in xev? |
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| 04:08.13 | mindlessmiss | it happens in MATE . In openbox it works fine |
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| 04:24.00 | forgotmynick | hello. i'm getting this when restarting networking https://paste.debian.net/plain/1135214 - where do i begin debugging this? it was working yesterday |
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| 04:43.13 | mindlessmiss | well I found the issue.. I use "Onboard Keyboard", a virtual keyboard |
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| 04:45.06 | mindlessmiss | there is now a button that will toggle what they call "hover click". I must have cli9cked it accidentally or something. I have OBK to run at startup, coz I use it a lot. wow that was annoying and now I feel stupid as lil 8-} |
| 04:51.39 | mindlessmiss | forgotmynick, has it got a network cpnnection/s? |
| 04:53.02 | mindlessmiss | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 ⢠OS: Debian 10.3 ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2.10GHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 3.6 GiB Total (2.1 GiB Free) Swap: 10.2 GiB Total (10.2 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 59.2 GB / 316.3 GB (257.1 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 2h 28m 59s |
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| 04:53.15 | mindlessmiss | lol sorry |
| 04:53.42 | mindlessmiss | much waw |
| 04:54.06 | MrElmo | lol |
| 04:54.23 | mindlessmiss | had to brag bout my bEAST |
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| 04:57.45 | forgotmynick | mindlessmiss: yes it does |
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| 05:19.09 | trysten | mindlessmiss: great job figuring it out |
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| 07:09.24 | jpw | hey, i'm trying to create a kerberos credential cache so that the package libnss-ldapd is able to query ldap using sasl gssapi auth mech. I can't seem to figure out how to create a credential cache that doesn't expire. does anyone know how to create this file or should i be approaching the problem another way. |
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| 07:11.57 | jpw | the best command I have got so far is `kinit -kt nslcd.keytab nssldapd/ldap.<hostname>` but like I said, this cache is time limited and will expire eventually |
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| 07:19.39 | han-solo | jpw: crontab ? |
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| 07:23.36 | jpw | that's one potential solution but it doesn't feel right |
| 07:24.17 | jpw | if libnss-ldapd supported a keytab directly this wouldn't be an issue. |
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| 08:13.09 | ZaZaGX | hello |
| 08:13.13 | ZaZaGX | i got it to work |
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| 08:18.50 | openbsdtai123 | which application of debian can convert a given page of a PDF to png ? |
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| 08:19.55 | tarzeau | openbsdtai123: it's called "convert" :) |
| 08:20.04 | tarzeau | openbsdtai123: from imagemagick (or what it's called now) |
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| 08:20.21 | ratrace | aye, imagemagick |
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| 08:21.20 | openbsdtai123 | is there something lighter? |
| 08:21.54 | ratrace | maybe ghostscript's `gs` |
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| 08:22.34 | ratrace | yup, gs can do it. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/653380/converting-a-pdf-to-png |
| 08:22.37 | openbsdtai123 | of pdftk |
| 08:23.01 | ShorTie | does anybody know where debootstrap stores the packages that it downloads ?? |
| 08:23.12 | ratrace | if you have a desktop installed on your debian, you will likely have gs already present. |
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| 08:29.14 | taserface | ShorTie: I think it stores them inside the fs it's creating? |
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| 08:29.32 | taserface | like, /<root>/var/cache/apt/archives maybe |
| 08:29.38 | taserface | or similar |
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| 08:34.08 | openbsdtai123 | does gs can extract a page, and create a given png? |
| 08:34.57 | ratrace | openbsdtai123: it's literally mentioned in the post I linked... |
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| 08:35.10 | openbsdtai123 | ah thank you, I missed it. |
| 08:35.12 | ratrace | why are you asking questions if you're not reading answers. |
| 08:35.21 | openbsdtai123 | I just didnt see it |
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| 08:46.52 | hudo | I have since some days no internet connection, from my debian stretch. How can I start checking the problem ? |
| 08:47.39 | ratrace | hudo: first determine if the network interface is available and has an IP, with `ip a` command |
| 08:48.35 | hudo | yes it has an ip |
| 08:50.48 | ratrace | hudo: now determine if you can obtain a hostname, eg run `host google.com` |
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| 08:52.45 | hudo | ratrace, thats is the problem, I can not connect to google per ping or host |
| 08:53.31 | hudo | local ip's respond, its a virtual machine, i can login, vnc .... |
| 08:53.38 | ratrace | hudo: can you ping your gateway? |
| 08:53.59 | hudo | yes |
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| 08:54.21 | ratrace | hudo: but you can't ping past it? eg. ping -c2 8.8.8.8 returns what? |
| 08:54.28 | hudo | the gateway is the 'default' from the route command ? |
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| 08:55.38 | ratrace | hudo: `ip route` will show you routes, the line with "default via <ip> ..." is showing the gateway ip |
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| 08:56.00 | hudo | uh, ping -c2 8.8.8.8 works, but ping google.com not, seems a name resolution problem |
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| 08:56.11 | dff | hi all, im getting this error when i try to install gnome, im using bullseye |
| 08:56.16 | dff | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a6f6a3b/ |
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| 08:56.30 | dff | what seems to be the problem officer |
| 08:56.54 | dff | oh |
| 08:56.57 | dff | nm |
| 08:56.57 | ratrace | hudo: alright. what's in your /etc/resolv.conf, and do you know which resolver are you using? systemd-resolved? dnsmasq? "whatever was pulled in by Network Manager"? |
| 08:56.59 | dff | saw the topic |
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| 08:59.42 | hudo | ratrace, the /etc/resolv.conf is generated by NetworkManager and |
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| 09:00.51 | hudo | I see there is a nameserver entered which does not respond to ping and |
| 09:01.18 | hudo | I just checked in another virtual machine, that there are other nameservers entered |
| 09:01.51 | hudo | can I just edit the /etc/resolv.conf ? I'm not root, just sudo .... |
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| 09:03.40 | ratrace | hudo: not if it's controlled by NM or something else, change the DNS config in NM. Is it explicit IP? Or DHCP-obtained resolver IP? |
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| 09:07.45 | hudo | ratrace, how can i call NM ? |
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| 09:08.42 | ratrace | hudo: you probably have an icon for the network in your tray or something, of your desktop. otherwise there's nmcli but then why are you using NM if that's not a desktop. |
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| 09:12.34 | hudo | I just have an icon for the network diagnostic |
| 09:12.56 | hudo | what if I edit the /etc/resolv.conf ? How can I restart the network ? |
| 09:13.37 | han-solo | systemctl restart networking ? |
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| 09:22.05 | hudo | ok, thanks, ratrace han-solo, just called the admin and he confirmed, that THIS nameserver was shut off. I changed the nameserver and restarted the network, everything fine. |
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| 09:44.50 | openbsdtai123 | it looks like this gs -sDEVICE=pngalpha -dFirstPage=2 -dLastPage=2 -sOutputFile=/var/www/html/slidecontent.png -r144 Chapter02.pdf but how to make it not prompt for Hit Return? |
| 09:46.33 | openbsdtai123 | ok working. -dNOPAUSE |
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| 09:49.24 | openbsdtai123 | thank you ! |
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| 10:20.54 | terr | Does anyone know how a wireless keyboard actually works (not the keys - the data)? |
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| 10:24.40 | jelly | terr: some use a custom simple radio protocol in 2.4GHz range. Some are bluetooth. There may be other solutions. |
| 10:24.49 | jelly | ask in ##hardware maybe |
| 10:25.01 | jelly | !win openbsdtai123 |
| 10:25.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, openbsdtai123! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
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| 10:26.02 | terr | jelly - I am in #hw |
| 10:26.47 | treerute | hi |
| 10:27.15 | treerute | and im off bye |
| 10:27.59 | hudo | has someone installed the oracle-database-xe-18c package in debian or a debian-based distro ? |
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| 11:22.32 | Kobaz | soooo, is there a debian package that provides ngx_stream_ssl_preread_module |
| 11:22.43 | Kobaz | This module is not built by default, it should be enabled with the --with-stream_ssl_preread_module configuration parameter. |
| 11:23.03 | Kobaz | typically there's -module packages like apache so you get all that, having a hard time finding this one |
| 11:23.26 | jelly | Kobaz: apt-cache search nginx preread, then if there are results, "apt-cache show packagename" and read the description |
| 11:23.33 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 11:23.41 | Kobaz | i know about that, just curious if anyone knew offhand |
| 11:23.44 | jelly | yeah as in you did that? |
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| 11:23.50 | Kobaz | all the ngnix modules are prefixed with libnginx-mod |
| 11:24.13 | Kobaz | the closest match is libnginx-mod-stream |
| 11:24.44 | Kobaz | it doesn't seem to include stream_ssl_preread |
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| 11:25.21 | jelly | waits until Kobaz searches, and reads the package descriptions |
| 11:25.29 | Kobaz | oh maybe it's in nginx-extras |
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| 11:26.35 | Kobaz | okay, more modules in extras... |
| 11:26.54 | jelly | seriously, apt-cache search some keywords here is often very useful |
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| 11:27.15 | Kobaz | right |
| 11:27.19 | Kobaz | that's what i've been doing |
| 11:28.06 | Kobaz | # apt-cache search preread nginx-extras - nginx web/proxy server (extended version) |
| 11:28.13 | Kobaz | apt-cache show nginx-extras | grep preread ... .nothing |
| 11:28.14 | jelly | and did you read the Description shown on: apt-cache show package-name-in-output-of-apt-cache-search |
| 11:28.20 | jelly | don't grep. READ |
| 11:28.43 | Kobaz | yeah i went through that, it's not listed :( |
| 11:28.53 | Kobaz | to make sure i didn't miss anything, i grepped |
| 11:29.16 | jelly | Kobaz: apt-cache search wouldn't have returned it if there wasn't a matching string in package name or description. |
| 11:29.22 | jelly | Kobaz: so read it again. |
| 11:29.23 | han-solo | grep -i preread |
| 11:29.36 | Kobaz | ack |
| 11:29.43 | Kobaz | right |
| 11:29.45 | Kobaz | okay nifty |
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| 11:29.58 | jelly | grep is case sensitive by default |
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| 11:30.07 | Kobaz | right |
| 11:30.08 | Kobaz | i know |
| 11:30.13 | Kobaz | it's too early for this crap |
| 11:30.31 | jelly | drink something hot and have a nice morning :-) |
| 11:30.36 | _alx_ | is there a way for me to install nvidia-360 on a machine that doesn't yet have my GPU inserted? |
| 11:30.43 | Kobaz | just was getting worried i didn't see libnginx-mod.,.. for what i needed |
| 11:30.53 | jelly | or as nice as possible under the circumstances! |
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| 11:31.46 | Kobaz | under the clusterfsck that the us is going through, sure |
| 11:32.03 | jelly | I -think- those other libnginx-mod-* are for modules that come from other source code, not nging itself |
| 11:32.35 | Kobaz | could be |
| 11:33.02 | Kobaz | if only apache was this sexy... routing based on pre-reading ssl stream data |
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| 11:33.38 | jelly | I'm not sure even (free) haproxy has that |
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| 11:33.53 | Kobaz | niiiiice |
| 11:34.06 | Kobaz | nginx version: nginx/1.10.3 ... -with-stream=dynamic --with-stream_ssl_module |
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| 11:35.42 | Kobaz | soooooo |
| 11:35.43 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 11:36.28 | kats99 | Guys I am not able to hear the other person in zoiper but I the other guy can hear me |
| 11:36.55 | kats99 | It's like there is no incoming |
| 11:37.12 | Kobaz | teh zoipers |
| 11:37.25 | Kobaz | kats99: welcome to NAT problem-land |
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| 11:37.47 | Kobaz | https://community.asterisk.org/t/nat-problems-with-voice/68532/19 |
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| 11:38.40 | Kobaz | it's common |
| 11:38.48 | Kobaz | https://support.gradwell.com/hc/en-gb/articles/215551423-How-to-setup-your-Asterisk-PBX-if-you-are-behind-a-NAT-firewall |
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| 11:39.00 | Kobaz | https://serverfault.com/questions/576201/asterisk-and-sip-behind-nat |
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| 11:39.18 | kats99 | Is it uncommon for anyone to resolve it? |
| 11:39.34 | Kobaz | it's typically resolvable |
| 11:39.40 | Kobaz | depending on how much control you have over the network |
| 11:40.07 | kats99 | great.. |
| 11:40.08 | Kobaz | if you can change router settings at both ends, it's very fixable. if you can change router settings on the server side, it's normally fixable |
| 11:40.15 | Kobaz | and if you have no access, good luck |
| 11:40.34 | kats99 | I don't have a router so?? |
| 11:40.49 | Kobaz | typically it's a matter of updating asterisk settings |
| 11:41.10 | Kobaz | #asterisk is a good place |
| 11:41.41 | Kobaz | oh, you know... i assumed you were using an asterisk system with your zoiper |
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| 11:42.04 | kats99 | Yes I am using asterisk |
| 11:42.20 | Kobaz | ah okay... if you weren't, then you would look into your system-specific documentatio |
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| 11:43.28 | _alx_ | How do I go about "translating"? the deps from ubuntu to debian ? |
| 11:43.44 | kats99 | Shall I post my extension and sip files? |
| 11:44.01 | Kobaz | _alx_: unfortunately... searching for similarly named packages |
| 11:44.14 | Kobaz | kats99: no, not in here... #asterisk... and use pastebin |
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| 11:44.45 | _alx_ | Kobaz: ahh, that is unfortunate. But thank you :) |
| 11:44.51 | kats99 | yea using pastebin..that's what I meant |
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| 11:46.27 | kats99 | Ah I fixed it.. thanks for the help. I had to disable stun |
| 11:47.02 | jfkk | hi |
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| 11:48.55 | Kobaz | yeah, stun is only really needed in pretty messed up situations |
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| 11:50.37 | kats99 | But I remember it was disabled and i enabled thinking it was needed.. eh I just wasted 13 hours.. |
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| 11:54.22 | Kobaz | oh, it looks like this ALPN-TLS example was just completely wrong |
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| 12:06.20 | Kobaz | -extras is supposed to come with map |
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| 12:23.59 | _alx_ | I get a nvidia-smi command not found on debian, and apt search only returns this: https://bpaste.net/TG4A what do I need to get my cuda cores running? :) |
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| 12:33.35 | wwilliam | Hello eldar color scheme is not installed in my vim in debian buster how do i install it? |
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| 12:37.10 | ratrace | wwilliam: download it into your ~/.vim/colors directly or use any of the vim "package managers" |
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| 12:42.23 | wwilliam | thank you. |
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| 12:46.25 | knob | Good morning! o/ Where can I download previous Debian releases? |
| 12:46.27 | knob | Say 9.0? |
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| 12:47.05 | han-solo | !stretch |
| 12:47.06 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 12:47.18 | knob | Thanks han-solo ! |
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| 12:47.32 | knob | I also arrived there via an internet search... yet from the home page, I wasn´t able to. |
| 12:47.42 | knob | I want to test 9.0 Live image to see if it installs correctly. |
| 12:47.51 | knob | I´m not having luck with 10.0 and my network cards. |
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| 12:54.26 | Nidhoegger | Hi. Is it possible yet to get NAVI10 (5700 XT) cards running on buster? |
| 12:54.57 | dvs | Nidhoegger, I haven't seen much luck with that, even with the latest kernel. |
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| 12:55.41 | Nidhoegger | i got it running on gentoo linux without problems, but I am sick of maintaining it |
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| 12:56.09 | Nidhoegger | guess Ill try again later with compiling my own kernel and mesa |
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| 12:56.45 | Nidhoegger | is debian testing in any way usable atm? |
| 12:56.53 | abrotman | define usable? |
| 12:56.54 | dvs | Nidhoegger, compiling the kernel for Debian is pretty easy these days. |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | I've been using it regularly |
| 12:57.13 | Nidhoegger | i know, i did it already once, but I also need to gather the navi firmware files and need the newer mesa package |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | Nidhoegger: seems like a "try it and see" kind of thing? |
| 12:58.00 | Nidhoegger | maybe, yes |
| 12:58.35 | Nidhoegger | hmmmm in which package is the kernel in testing? packages.debian.org returns nothing for testing with term "linux-image" |
| 12:59.27 | Nidhoegger | i guess ill simply try testing, it seems to bring everything needed for navi support :) thanks for the help! |
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| 13:04.25 | karlpinc | ,kernels |
| 13:04.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: |
| 13:04.27 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
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| 13:13.01 | priestB | hello |
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| 13:14.20 | knob | This laptop is possesed. I can´t get it to DHCP anywhich way. |
| 13:14.25 | priestB | can anyone help me? i'm trying to install node on kali linux using the zip file i downloaded from their website but after downloading it, i don't know what to do next |
| 13:14.33 | karlpinc | !kali |
| 13:14.34 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 13:15.38 | karlpinc | !tell priestB about errors |
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| 13:15.53 | knob | O |
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| 13:16.16 | knob | I´m about to install Xubuntu to see if... if it works. |
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| 13:19.34 | priestB | okay, i get that kali is not debian. But if it was a debian distro, how woud i go about installing node with the zip file |
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| 13:20.49 | joepublic | I have no specific knowledge, but one would generally unzip the whatever and look for a file called INSTALLING or README or some such |
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| 13:21.33 | joepublic | also... |
| 13:21.38 | oerheks | priestB, if you don't understand kali, don't bother installing node. |
| 13:21.40 | joepublic | dpkg, tell priestB about based on debian |
| 13:25.10 | priestB | joepublic, yeah, normally there'd be an install file or a readme that explains the process but none is available in this situation but thanks anyway |
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| 13:26.03 | priestB | and oerheks? thanks for the "useful" advice, so informative -_- |
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| 13:28.54 | ratrace | priestB: it's a good advice. |
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| 13:31.55 | karlpinc | knob: When you installed debian did you use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included? |
| 13:31.58 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 13:31.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:33.06 | karlpinc | (Lack of auto-install of non-free firmware is a major difference between Ubuntu installations and Debian ones.) |
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| 13:34.05 | mindlessmiss | does ubuntu install them auto or debian? |
| 13:34.30 | joepublic | debian does not install anything non-free unless you specifically tell it to |
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| 13:34.56 | joepublic | ubuntu installs non-free packages silently if matched to hardware in the machine |
| 13:35.08 | JordiGH | When I try to boot into memtest86+, I get a weird hardware beep and my laptop just reboots. |
| 13:35.16 | JordiGH | Is there a way to see what could be going on? |
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| 13:35.23 | mindlessmiss | ok thanks joepublic |
| 13:35.39 | JordiGH | All I see is grub menu, pick memtest86+, freezes for about a minute, then beep and reboot. |
| 13:35.50 | JordiGH | The freeze is on the grub background image. |
| 13:35.51 | mindlessmiss | is your pc i386 |
| 13:35.55 | karlpinc | JordiGH: So I guess it's not a bios beep. |
| 13:36.36 | JordiGH | My laptop is an Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th gen. So, amd64? |
| 13:36.42 | JordiGH | karlpinc: No idea. |
| 13:37.35 | mindlessmiss | ya does memtest "86" work on 64bit ? not sure |
| 13:37.50 | JordiGH | I ran some other BIOS memtester and that came back clean. |
| 13:37.51 | jelly | mindlessmiss: yes. |
| 13:38.04 | JordiGH | But people are like "memtest86+ or gtfo" |
| 13:38.05 | ratrace | amd64 == x86(_64) |
| 13:38.16 | mindlessmiss | okeyy |
| 13:38.18 | jelly | memtest86 and memtest86+ support modern cpus and are both still maintained |
| 13:38.46 | karlpinc | JordiGH: There might possibly be a way to tell memtest86+ to output on a serial console.... |
| 13:39.02 | JordiGH | That was one of the options. |
| 13:39.05 | JordiGH | But what is a serial console? |
| 13:39.15 | JordiGH | I picked that and saw the same results. |
| 13:39.18 | JordiGH | Freeze, beep, reboot. |
| 13:39.20 | ratrace | mindlessmiss: note that if a package doesn't support an architecture, then it wouldn't be installable on it. |
| 13:39.27 | jelly | something your ultra-slim laptop probably does not have |
| 13:39.59 | karlpinc | !serial port |
| 13:39.59 | dpkg | it has been said that serial port is an interface on a computer system with which information is transferred in or out one bit at a time (contrast parallel port). Throughout most of the history of personal computers, this was accomplished using the RS-232 standard over simple cables connecting the computer to a device such as a terminal or modem. Mice, keyboards, and other devices were also often connected this way. See also <parallel port>. |
| 13:40.18 | jelly | JordiGH: tell memtest86 (+ or not) tu use single-threaded mode, that sometimes helps |
| 13:40.24 | mindlessmiss | ratrace, sorry i assumed it was on some kind of bootable ntool thing on a usb or something |
| 13:40.36 | JordiGH | Oh, those old things. Yeah, I don't have that. |
| 13:40.52 | JordiGH | jelly: So mess around with the boot parameters in grub? |
| 13:40.52 | karlpinc | JordiGH: But you can often get a usb<->serial dongle. Then you need another computer (or an old fashioned tty terminal) to look at the result. |
| 13:41.24 | karlpinc | JordiGH: Yeah, the memtest+ command line in grub. |
| 13:41.26 | JordiGH | What is the experimental multiboot option? |
| 13:41.40 | jelly | JordiGH: I believe memtest86 (+ or not) asks you when it boots, and continues with the default after a second or two |
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| 13:41.56 | JordiGH | Well, I get no prompt. |
| 13:41.58 | mindlessmiss | ratrace, |
| 13:42.00 | JordiGH | Just freeze and beep. |
| 13:42.08 | JordiGH | I wonder if the grub splash screen is hiding something. |
| 13:42.10 | mindlessmiss | i did not know it came as a "package" |
| 13:42.10 | jelly | JordiGH: nothing on the screen? |
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| 13:42.15 | JordiGH | The graphicsy menu thing. |
| 13:42.31 | jelly | oh, try to boot grub in vga text mode maybe. |
| 13:42.43 | jelly | I don't know how to do that right now. |
| 13:42.45 | JordiGH | The grub menu disappears, the splash image stays, freeze and beep. |
| 13:43.52 | jelly | # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) |
| 13:43.52 | jelly | #GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
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| 13:44.11 | mindlessmiss | i have problems with a grub boot loader on a laptop it displays glitchy and like doesn't refresh properly kinda displays over the top |
| 13:44.19 | jelly | that's from /etc/default/grub. I have no idea what to do if you have grub-efi |
| 13:44.26 | Kobaz | oh yeah, i should have taken notes on this when it was in the channel a month or two ago... how to you set the default package install to use -backports |
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| 13:45.20 | karlpinc | Kobaz: You don't really want to do that. Best is to install only specific backports. |
| 13:45.32 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 13:45.57 | JordiGH | jelly: I'm afraid of getting into an unbootable state. |
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| 13:46.21 | JordiGH | But theoretically, it's edit that file and run grub-install? |
| 13:46.45 | jelly | JordiGH: edit that file and just update-grub |
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| 13:47.04 | JordiGH | Wait, grub-pc, that isn't uefi, is it? |
| 13:47.10 | jelly | correct. |
| 13:47.19 | JordiGH | Yeah, pretty sure I'm using grub-uefi |
| 13:47.26 | karlpinc | JordiGH: Or just use the grub user interface to edit manually on each boot. (I don't know your goal here....) |
| 13:47.41 | jelly | perhaps there's a build of memtest86 (+ or not) as an UEFI app. |
| 13:47.55 | karlpinc | Maybe the readme.debian says something? |
| 13:47.58 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 13:47.58 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 13:48.41 | jelly | https://www.memtest86.com/download.htm > IMPORTANT: MemTest86 V8 images support only UEFI boot. |
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| 13:48.59 | Leonid | hallo |
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| 13:49.28 | JordiGH | My goal is to run memtest86+ |
| 13:49.35 | JordiGH | Which I currently cannot do. |
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| 13:50.31 | Leonid | JordiGH |
| 13:50.32 | Leonid | debian-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso2020-02-08 14:493.7G |
| 13:50.32 | Leonid | [ISO]debian-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso2020-02-08 14:514.4G |
| 13:50.32 | Leonid | [ISO]debian-10.3.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso2020-02-08 14:544.3G |
| 13:50.46 | Leonid | where to download 1 image for usb |
| 13:50.51 | Leonid | not 3 images |
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| 13:51.14 | mindlessmiss | rams aare either dead or not-dead |
| 13:51.34 | greycat | no Schroedinger's rams? |
| 13:51.38 | jelly | mindlessmiss: sadly that's often not the case, rams be crazy |
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| 13:52.48 | Leonid | some one can answer ? |
| 13:53.09 | mindlessmiss | Leonid, use net installer if u like |
| 13:53.41 | annadane | you can use the netinstall if you have an internet connection (or perhaps the nonfree image if you're on a laptop so the wifi works to get packages), otherwise, just DVD-1 is probably fine |
| 13:54.01 | mindlessmiss | it's 300mb or so i think.. it will download any other needed files from the net when yuou install it |
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| 13:54.19 | han-solo | but must have an internet connection |
| 13:54.22 | annadane | !next |
| 13:54.23 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:54.28 | engblom | Is there a way to list installed packages filtered by category? |
| 13:54.32 | annadane | aptitude |
| 13:54.41 | han-solo | that in these days, i think is safe to assume ? |
| 13:55.09 | annadane | not necessarily, you can have offline debian installs |
| 13:55.29 | joepublic | not really from netinstall :) |
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| 13:55.37 | annadane | engblom, just so you know i was addressing you, you can use aptitude for that |
| 13:55.41 | joepublic | a small one, maybe |
| 13:56.02 | mindlessmiss | hmm maybe but I have my connection via ethernet cable which was simplpe but wifi or usb tether or something might be more difficult |
| 13:56.08 | engblom | annadane: Thanks! |
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| 13:56.15 | greycat | You can do a "Standard" (no desktop environment) install from the netinst image, without a network, I believe. |
| 13:56.45 | mindlessmiss | actually yeah you're right, greycat |
| 13:56.48 | greycat | Although if you have no network, you'd usually want a larger installer image. |
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| 13:57.59 | mindlessmiss | greycat, i installed it in w vm on virtualbox with win10 host and didn't get the network working until later |
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| 13:59.50 | knob | Fixed the installation on the laptop problem. The issue was with the "wifi switch". It is *not* a physical switch: it's a keyboard 'Fn' key + F2 key. Yet the laptop has no LED indicating if wifi is on/off. So the installer was trying, yet I didn't know the wifi was off. Once the wifi was switched on (by "faith" as there is not feedback), the installer listed all wifi SSIDs available and off it went. I want to thank a couple of people in this channel |
| 13:59.50 | knob | that have helped over the las day or so dvs greycat han-solo jhutchins jelly |
| 13:59.52 | mindlessmiss | no netweork you would like a larger image sure but nop network can't downloaqd 1gb of dvds |
| 14:00.34 | mindlessmiss | 12gb* |
| 14:00.55 | greycat | *nobody* should be downloading 12 GB of DVDs |
| 14:01.10 | knob | Something to keep on mind if a future odd problem like that comes along. I even tried downloading Debian9.12 just to make sure. Nothing. Yet when I installed Xubuntu... and it came up fully, it listed the "Wireless Disabled". And that's when the lightbulb went off. |
| 14:01.11 | greycat | unless you're planning to press hundreds of copies of them to distribute |
| 14:01.37 | annadane | is the fn key press once (release), press the key you want, press fn again to restore normal behavior to the keyboard? or do you have to hold it down while you press the key you want changed |
| 14:01.52 | mindlessmiss | have you seen the size of pc games lately? |
| 14:02.01 | mindlessmiss | 12gb is peanuts |
| 14:02.16 | knob | annadane, to turn on/off press Fn, press F2, let go of Fn |
| 14:02.26 | jelly | mindlessmiss: I _think_ there's a larger bittorrent image |
| 14:02.29 | annadane | so it's "keep it held down" |
| 14:02.33 | knob | Yes. |
| 14:02.34 | annadane | which makes sense |
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| 14:03.10 | knob | Yet I had no feedback. No LED no nothing. And I knew this laptop was good. But hey, Xubuntu was good for something! It let me know wireless was disabled. |
| 14:03.29 | joepublic | nice. |
| 14:03.38 | knob | Well, to be honest, it's a good distro. I had it installed previously in this laptop for 3-4 years. Yet at some point there I moved over to Debian, and love the clean-cut of it. |
| 14:04.09 | jelly | nice find with the mute wifi kill switch |
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| 14:09.11 | han-solo | i think, i messed up making the installer in the USB, i had to jump through the set prefix=(hd0,0)/boot/grub hoop |
| 14:09.12 | knob | Wowza!!! The laptop is up and running!! Debian10 with Xfce. Love it. Now to copy my .files over and start my little customizations. :) Happiness!! |
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| 14:09.58 | han-solo | no happiness without the powerline monospace fonts :p |
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| 14:10.53 | knob | huh... going to check it out! I always use consolas/courier. monospace ftw |
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| 14:13.04 | JordiGH | Wait, has memtest86+ really not been updated since 2013?? |
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| 14:14.30 | themill | didn't it try to go closed source? |
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| 14:24.58 | annadane | guess we have to fork it and call it memtest64+ |
| 14:25.13 | ratrace | that'd be the second fork then :) |
| 14:25.28 | Haohmaru | MOAR FORKZ |
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| 14:26.03 | Haohmaru | just wash yer forks with soap |
| 14:28.31 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, there's memtest86 which is non-free and memtest86+ is unmaintained. Why the hell is Debian shipping unmaintained software? |
| 14:28.51 | greycat | Ask the maintainer. Not us. |
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| 14:29.40 | ratrace | I think 86+ being a dep of 86 is somehow used by 86 |
| 14:29.51 | ratrace | by 86+ |
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| 14:30.23 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, there's memtest86 which is non-free and memtest86+ is unmaintained. Why the hell is Debian shipping unmaintained software? |
| 14:30.24 | annadane | does every software need a maintainer anyway? i can see situations where we've reached feature maturity, if there's problems then someone can step up to maintain it |
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| 14:31.24 | greycat | Every Debian package needs a Debian maintainer. Upstream could go silent or dead, and the Debian maintainer may choose to continue shipping the last upstream version. |
| 14:31.35 | JordiGH | Well, in this case memtest86 has a hammer test that memtest86+ doesn't. New hardware problems have been discovered since the fork so even if I managed to get memtest86+ booting (which it doesn't in UEFI mode, I guess that's my problem), it wouldn't test that one thing that could possibly indicate faulty RAM. |
| 14:31.56 | greycat | Why do you (jordi) assume that a piece of software needs to be changed every so often? Maybe it's *done*. Maybe it just works, and doesn't need more features. |
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| 14:34.17 | ratrace | because nothing is static :) the only constant in the universe is change. |
| 14:34.51 | ShorTie | is there away of searching dpkg to find out who supplied the file ?? |
| 14:35.13 | han-solo | apt-file search /path/to/file |
| 14:35.16 | greycat | Upstream source MUST be listed in the copyright file. In /usr/share/doc/pkgname/copyright. |
| 14:35.27 | han-solo | or dpkg -S ? |
| 14:35.30 | greycat | Oh, you were asking a different question. |
| 14:36.01 | JordiGH | greycat: I just said why, it needs more features. |
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| 14:40.22 | annadane | even openbox does change occasionally, idk about fluxbox |
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| 14:45.46 | mms_ | do I need to pre-create paritions for different mount points like for /, /opt, /home, /usr, /var. how much should be good enough for / and /usr ? |
| 14:46.10 | greycat | There is no single right answer. It depends on the machine and what you're going to use it for. |
| 14:46.22 | mms_ | I assume / mostly will not increase once installed but /usr will as i install more packages |
| 14:46.25 | greycat | Most people don't use a separate /usr these days. |
| 14:46.37 | greycat | !usrmerge |
| 14:46.37 | dpkg | /usr merge is the combining of /bin and /usr/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin on fresh installs of Debian 10 Buster. On machines upgraded from Stretch, this is optional, and can be accomplished if desired via the usrmerge package |
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| 14:47.27 | mms_ | greycat: then what is recommeded setup ? |
| 14:47.34 | farkgis | #debian.fr |
| 14:47.38 | mms_ | greycat: any link ? |
| 14:47.38 | greycat | If you have to ask, just use one big partition. |
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| 14:47.56 | greycat | If you *know* that you need multiple partitions for some reason, then you don't need to ask us for hand-holding. |
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| 14:48.28 | mms_ | greycat: ok I read on internet better have more partitions so any one getting full or corrupt does not affect others ? |
| 14:48.52 | mms_ | greycat: is it only for server machines we have multi partitons ? I am installing on my person pc |
| 14:48.53 | JordiGH | Man, why are BSD enthusiasts always so eager to run non-free software? |
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| 14:49.19 | greycat | For a desktop PC, "one big partition" is fine. Or "separate /home" is also fine. |
| 14:49.49 | mms_ | greycat: ok will go for one big then |
| 14:49.52 | mms_ | thanks |
| 14:50.05 | mms_ | debian will default to some values should that be good ? |
| 14:50.18 | mms_ | greycat: I mean installer |
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| 14:50.48 | mms_ | will installer also detect windows and install grub ? |
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| 14:51.26 | greycat | I don't know what the "Guided" or "Automatic" choices do for partitioning in the installer. I always partition manually. Yes, it will detect Windows. Yes, it will install GRUB, after getting your permission. |
| 14:51.40 | mms_ | I have hdd which already have grub and windows and linux. now I am installing on ssd so when doing so will grub pick the hdd ones also ? |
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| 14:52.40 | mms_ | greycat: I have made ssd in boot order of bios first so it comes up but then the hdd i guess the installer will detect and add then too grub menu ? |
| 14:53.02 | mms_ | greycat: I guess grub will server only its disk |
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| 14:54.19 | mms_ | greycat: I do not want grub to pick up hdd. I want to just mount the hdd later in ssd linux. |
| 14:55.04 | greycat | You have full control over everything. You just have to exercise it. |
| 14:55.32 | mms_ | greycat: ok |
| 14:55.38 | mms_ | let me proceed to install then |
| 14:55.40 | mms_ | thanks |
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| 14:57.24 | farkgis | Salut je vient d'installer debian bonjour a tout |
| 14:57.48 | joepublic | dpkg, tell farkgis about fr |
| 14:57.58 | joepublic | Salut farkgis. |
| 14:58.20 | farkgis | salut joepublic |
| 14:58.57 | joepublic | and, "bienvenue al monde de debian" or however you say it |
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| 16:39.12 | greycat | No space before the /msg command. |
| 16:39.20 | Gazar | okay thanks |
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| 17:15.48 | Turi | Hi, I have a problem plaguing my debian servers. I'm trying to make our SCP clients honour the server's umask setting for file being uploaded with it. We tried several methods, among which there are: "session optional pam_umask.so umask=0002", pam.d configuration, login.defs, adding script in the SSHD conf, ecc... . But the file is always |
| 17:15.49 | Turi | uploaded with the client's permissions instead of using the server's umask. Anyone faced this problem before? Got any ideas? |
| 17:16.37 | greycat | umask doesn't apply when the software goes out of its way to *set* the permissions to match those of the client system |
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| 17:17.10 | tharkun | greycat: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdb1 ¿Correct? |
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| 17:18.04 | Turi | greycat: I'm "uploading" to the server, so the server is receiving the file |
| 17:18.31 | greycat | You SAID you are using scp. |
| 17:18.50 | Turi | yes, I'm using SCP to copy the file from the client to the server |
| 17:19.01 | greycat | So scp does its legacy things that scp does. |
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| 17:19.23 | greycat | It is not an "upload" in the traditional sense. It generates a shell command and runs it. Or something like that. |
| 17:20.11 | Turi | I know it utilizes the underlying ssh system. Even then, it's not honouring the umask set on the server |
| 17:20.30 | greycat | Correct. |
| 17:20.47 | tharkun | greycat: Thanks |
| 17:21.02 | greycat | I... what? |
| 17:21.10 | greycat | nobody was talking to tharkun |
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| 17:21.35 | tharkun | face slaps |
| 17:21.37 | Turi | so, when I transfer files with SCP it ignores the destination server's umask, instead honouring the client's permissions? the only thing PAM does is the auth check? |
| 17:23.24 | greycat | Hmm.... there's a -p option in scp(1) which preserves the client file's "modes" (permissions). |
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| 17:24.39 | jka1 | After doing a clean install on my server, my mouse will not move. I tried some USB and PS/2 mouse, the pointer moves extreme slow and hangs all the time |
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| 17:25.13 | greycat | If I copy a file with 777 perms using scp (without -p), I get a file with 755 perms. If I copy the same file with 400 perms, I get a file with 400 perms. |
| 17:25.30 | greycat | So it looks like, by default, it will *subtract* perm bits, but never *add* any. |
| 17:25.34 | karlpinc | jka1: Did you install with the unoffical installer containing non-free firmware? |
| 17:25.43 | greycat | Are you trying to add some? |
| 17:26.38 | karlpinc | jka1: Check your kernel logs, dmesg output, and X logs. |
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| 17:27.20 | Turi | I'm trying to add group write ability to new files being copied over scp, and I set the umask to 0002 using various methods. The origin files are most of the time with 644 permissions, I want them to end up being 664 after being transferred. |
| 17:27.21 | karlpinc | (and then there's the question of what a server is doing with X at all.) |
| 17:27.36 | greycat | In any case, scp is legacy software implementing legacy protocol featuers, and is not a good idea if you require any kind of strictness. |
| 17:27.54 | karlpinc | Turi: There's a pam-umask module. |
| 17:28.26 | Turi | I'm already using it, as I wrote in my opening message. Scp doesn't honour it. a normal SSH session instead honours it. |
| 17:29.01 | Turi | we even tried SFTP and rsync (via ssh), and the problem persists. |
| 17:29.13 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:29.26 | greycat | Jesus christ, all that time reading the scp man page and even parts of the scp.c source code. |
| 17:29.43 | greycat | Plus multiple empirical tests... |
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| 17:30.06 | karlpinc | Turi: Can you tar/untar directly over ssh? |
| 17:30.22 | greycat | If you have your desire working in a "normal SSH session", then that is your solution. Use that. |
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| 17:30.57 | Turi | using tar/untar? |
| 17:31.10 | greycat | I don't care what you use. Just stop trying to make scp work. |
| 17:31.14 | greycat | /msg greybot scp |
| 17:31.16 | greycat | https://www.openssh.com/txt/release-8.0 |
| 17:31.35 | karlpinc | tar -C /some/dir -cf - myfile | ssh me@somehost 'tar -C /some/dir -xf -' |
| 17:31.39 | greycat | "The scp protocol is outdated, inflexible and not readily fixed. We recommend the use of more modern protocols like sftp and rsync for file transfer instead." |
| 17:32.11 | karlpinc | or -xpf on the receving end. |
| 17:32.48 | Turi | we tried those, maybe we didn't exhaust all existing configuration possibilities for these tools, but even then there's not much to configure with them. |
| 17:33.16 | karlpinc | But really, why would rsync -p not work? |
| 17:33.52 | jelly | yes. rsync just uses ssh for transport and deals with permissions itself. |
| 17:33.54 | Turi | I don't want to preserve the client's permissions. I want the files being transferred using the user's default umask (0002) |
| 17:33.55 | greycat | Near as I can tell, they don't WANT the client permissions. They want a different set of permissions on the server, and they think that they can achieve this by setting umask. |
| 17:34.44 | Turi | wasn't umask conceived for this exact task? |
| 17:34.44 | jelly | Turi: set them explicitely after transfer. the openssh sftp client has a chmod command. |
| 17:34.48 | greycat | Never mind the fact that umask only APPLIES when a file is OPENED by a default C program calling open() or the like, and never mind the fact that scp.c explicitly calls chmod() all over the place. |
| 17:35.05 | karlpinc | Turi: No. Umask removes permission bits but does not turn them on. |
| 17:35.06 | jelly | Turi: you will note the distinct lack of "umask" command in that same client. |
| 17:36.08 | jelly | (it has a "lumask" which is not relevant in context of what the protocol can do.) |
| 17:36.55 | jelly | stopped using scp when they broke extended globs |
| 17:36.56 | Turi | karlpinc: I had the impression that the umask set the permissions for new files, not acting as a limit of sorts... now it's clear. |
| 17:37.10 | karlpinc | Turi: You can use a command= in the ssh authorized_keys file to do whatever you like on the receiving end if you want something automated. |
| 17:37.14 | kapil | what is the differnace between archlinux and debian? |
| 17:37.19 | kapil | i use arch linux |
| 17:37.23 | karlpinc | !stable |
| 17:37.23 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 17:37.25 | tharkun | from man rsync "New files get their "normal" permission bits set to the source fileâs permissions masked with the receiving directoryâs default permissions (either the receiving processâs umask, or the permissions specified via the destination directoryâs default ACL) |
| 17:37.32 | greycat | umask is a set of bits that are SUBTRACTED from the default 0666 or whatever a C program happens to choose when it calls open() on a new file. |
| 17:37.47 | greycat | if your application does its own permission setting, umask is irrelevant |
| 17:37.48 | karlpinc | !security backports |
| 17:37.49 | dpkg | Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>. |
| 17:38.00 | karlpinc | kapil: See above. |
| 17:38.07 | kapil | thanks |
| 17:38.13 | jelly | my shell is perfectly capable of glob matching regular files newer than a day, and openssh scp has checks that don't think *(.m-1) can match foo.zip |
| 17:38.25 | greycat | open() or creat() I suppose |
| 17:38.55 | karlpinc | kapil: So, if you want something that "just works" (with known bugs that you can work-around) debian is for you. Lots of packages. Major release upgrades in-place. |
| 17:39.08 | karlpinc | kapil: If you want the latest shiny, use arch. |
| 17:39.23 | kapil | how much times new release is released? |
| 17:39.29 | annadane | once every 2 years |
| 17:39.36 | kapil | oh thanks |
| 17:39.47 | karlpinc | kapil: There are constant security updates. |
| 17:40.06 | karlpinc | kapil: (Sorta every 2 years, 2 years+.) |
| 17:40.12 | annadane | it's been pretty quiet in buster so far though, which i suppose means it's secure :P |
| 17:40.21 | kapil | i setup everything with arch. so i will use arch. |
| 17:40.25 | karlpinc | annadane: We are on 10.3. :) |
| 17:40.47 | kapil | what is differance between alpine and debian? |
| 17:40.49 | annadane | hacks into all the things |
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| 17:42.13 | jka1 | karlpinc: I used the official installer |
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| 17:42.33 | Turi | thanks for the help, the problem doesn't concern automated scripts, but my colleagues using SCP for its ease of use to move files between servers or between their machine and the server... and these folders are supposed to be collaborative, hence why we need group r+w perms on them. |
| 17:42.36 | jka1 | The logs exists, but there were no issued about my problem |
| 17:42.38 | karlpinc | jka1: You might not have all the firmware you need. See places to look for messages above. |
| 17:42.40 | Turi | maybe there's a better way to solve this problem? |
| 17:43.00 | greycat | From stretch release (9.0) to 9.3 took about 6 months. 10.0 to 10.3 took about 7 months. |
| 17:43.01 | jka1 | I tried several mice |
| 17:43.24 | jka1 | In gparted boot cd the mouse works fine |
| 17:43.45 | karlpinc | jka1: Nothing about usb firmware. You grepped for firmware? |
| 17:43.58 | karlpinc | jka1: How new is this hardware? |
| 17:44.10 | kapil | is server version availble? |
| 17:44.13 | greycat | Turi: set up a cron job that chmod's the shared files periodically. |
| 17:44.17 | jka1 | It's a siemens primergy tx200 s6 server (2012) |
| 17:44.22 | jelly | Turi: there are dumb workarounds, like a cron job that chmods mism... NINJAD AGAIN |
| 17:44.35 | Turi | doesn't that eventually kill the hdd? I wanted to avoid using a cronjob to chmod everything |
| 17:44.37 | jelly | I'll get you next time greycat! |
| 17:45.01 | karlpinc | Turi: Are you using the UPG idiom with the setgid bit on the directories? |
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| 17:45.18 | Turi | yes, the files takes the folder's perm already |
| 17:45.27 | greycat | owner. |
| 17:45.38 | greycat | err, group-owner. |
| 17:45.38 | jelly | Turi: then make a better cron job that only chmods files that need chmoding. |
| 17:46.35 | jelly | which is like a find+chmod, instead of just a chmod |
| 17:46.56 | karlpinc | Turi: So your problem is that you don't have the permission bits set on the source system, but you want them set on the destination system? |
| 17:46.58 | Turi | find is still disk intensive... we're talking about a big directory |
| 17:47.22 | greycat | karlpinc: *and* he has no control over the client |
| 17:47.23 | Turi | karlpinc> yes |
| 17:47.35 | jelly | Turi: don't put tens of thousands of files in one directory, make a structure |
| 17:47.50 | karlpinc | Turi: You could use incron. But you still need a cron job at some point because inotify is not guarenteed. |
| 17:48.00 | Turi | jelly: not really my choice sadly |
| 17:48.01 | jka1 | No more hints about my mouse issue? |
| 17:48.09 | karlpinc | !incron |
| 17:48.10 | dpkg | well, incron is an "inotify cron" system. It consists of a daemon and a table manipulator. You can use it a similar way as the regular <cron>. The difference is that the inotify cron handles filesystem events rather than time periods. http://inotify.aiken.cz/?section=incron&page=faq |
| 17:48.22 | jelly | Turi: then run the cron SO OFTEN all the metadata is always in cache. |
| 17:48.31 | karlpinc | jka1: You didn't answer my questions. |
| 17:48.40 | jka1 | I use debian since 15 years on all customer systems. I don't want to change to another distribution cause of a simple mouse |
| 17:49.06 | Turi | karlpinc: i'll look into incron... thanks! |
| 17:49.13 | karlpinc | jka1: You grepped for "firmware" in the logs? |
| 17:49.30 | jka1 | In which log? |
| 17:49.57 | karlpinc | Turi: There's a sysctl you can also set to increase the inotify "queue" and get better reliability, if that's really needed. |
| 17:50.19 | jelly | karlpinc: eh, if it's proven to be unreliable, why rely on it at all? |
| 17:50.22 | karlpinc | jka1: The kernel boot log, /var/log/syslog, dmesg output. |
| 17:50.34 | karlpinc | jelly: It mostly works. But fails under load. |
| 17:50.35 | Turi | karlpinc: I know about that... I just hope the hdd doesn't wear too much ;-; |
| 17:50.53 | karlpinc | jelly: So you can run the cron job much less frequently. |
| 17:51.09 | jka1 | There were only some issues about the sas controller |
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| 17:51.31 | jelly | karlpinc: I've had a hell of a time looking at what eats open fds on a system once. There was basically no API to find out it was inotify. |
| 17:51.45 | karlpinc | jka1: You are sitting in front of your server with a monitor attached? |
| 17:51.51 | jka1 | Yes |
| 17:52.14 | karlpinc | jka1: Have you tried a different desktop, just to rule that out? |
| 17:52.26 | jka1 | I can not login |
| 17:52.37 | karlpinc | !vt |
| 17:52.37 | dpkg | hmm... vt is Virtual Terminal, like the console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>. |
| 17:52.38 | greycat | ... what |
| 17:52.46 | karlpinc | jka1: Use a vt. |
| 17:52.47 | jelly | jka1: does ctrl-alt-f1 work? |
| 17:52.52 | greycat | he's worried about a "mouse" but he CANNOT LOG IN AT ALL !?!? |
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| 17:53.47 | jelly | greycat: wait until it appears it's not a physical console at all, but a remote-management like iLO or iDRAC or IMM |
| 17:53.55 | greycat | how do you even ... |
| 17:53.56 | karlpinc | Turi: incron is annoying to debug. Take baby steps. |
| 17:54.38 | jelly | greycat: seen the symptom of "mouse lags" or "mouse wildly moves to corners" on those |
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| 17:55.51 | jka1 | ctrl-alt-f2 :-) |
| 17:55.52 | jka1 | So i have a root shell |
| 17:55.52 | jka1 | Ah |
| 17:55.52 | jka1 | When i enter "startx", i got a root desktop which works fine |
| 17:56.03 | jka1 | But when i switch back (strg-f1) i see the standard login prompt where the mouse did not work |
| 17:56.06 | greycat | So you *can* login ... and why the hell are you starting X? It's a *server*, you said. |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | sounds like he installed a *dm for some reason ... |
| 17:56.30 | jelly | perhaps Wayland has broken input but X works |
| 17:57.08 | karlpinc | (And running X as root is nuts.) |
| 17:57.08 | jka1 | Greycat: I need an desktop for some utilities (raid i.e.) |
| 17:57.10 | jelly | I have no idea how to find out which gdm uses itself |
| 17:57.25 | jelly | jka1: you can run all over those over ssh. |
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| 17:57.29 | greycat | jelly: ps -ft tty1 maybe? |
| 17:57.37 | jelly | this is Not How Linux is Used |
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| 17:57.52 | jelly | you don't need a running GUI on a server at all |
| 17:58.31 | jelly | but let's avoid changing problematic workflows for now |
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| 17:59.31 | jka1 | The monitoring software for the usv also has a gui |
| 18:00.03 | jelly | you can probably run all of those tools over ssh. |
| 18:00.07 | greycat | Let's also be clear: to run a GUI administrative application, you do not need a *desktop*. You might need an X server. And a window manager. |
| 18:00.18 | jka1 | O.K. |
| 18:00.49 | jelly | X is funny like that, the X server where windows will appear does not need to run on the same machine that the apps are running from |
| 18:00.56 | greycat | You most especially do not need GNOME. Nor should you be logging into a Desktop Environment as root. Especially a huge bloated monster like GNOME. |
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| 18:01.29 | jelly | (also, how or when did GUI start appearing on tty1 instead of the $DEITY given tty7) |
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| 18:01.48 | greycat | jelly: starting in stretch, when the X server started to run without setuid wrapping |
| 18:02.20 | jelly | jka1: simple workaround: try installing a different display manager (the piece of software that shows the login screen) |
| 18:02.32 | jelly | say, sddm or lightdm |
| 18:02.52 | ratrace | jelly: (gnome since a few years now, something something logind methinks) |
| 18:03.00 | greycat | (since stretch) |
| 18:03.07 | jelly | gnome. Why am I not surprised. |
| 18:03.25 | greycat | It's not just gnome. Even startx as non-root runs the X session on the same VT that you logged in on. |
| 18:03.51 | jelly | and where does the console output go? |
| 18:04.00 | jka1 | So i think i want to use xdm? |
| 18:04.16 | greycat | I actually *really* prefer it this way, because now there's no more gaping security hole where the attacker walks up to an xlocked system and hits Ctrl-Alt-F1 and gets the shell where startx ran from. |
| 18:04.21 | ratrace | greycat: ah yes, you're right, not gnome specific. |
| 18:04.24 | jelly | jka1: I'd try anything-but-gdm |
| 18:04.32 | jka1 | :-) |
| 18:04.43 | ratrace | jka1: lightdm is okay |
| 18:04.56 | jelly | xdm is a bit spartan. sddm is what kde uses. lightdm is I think default with xfce and other uh, light DEs. |
| 18:05.14 | jelly | !which dm |
| 18:05.14 | dpkg | To figure out which Display Manager you are using, open a terminal and type the following command: `systemctl status display-manager` see also <which de> and <which x>. |
| 18:05.18 | ratrace | greycat: but startx is generally even worse. crash X and you're on your user's shell prompt :) |
| 18:05.24 | greycat | you could also use no DM at all, and simply startx when you need it |
| 18:05.52 | jka1 | .oO(rebooting with light dm enabled) |
| 18:06.00 | annadane | or use slim |
| 18:06.05 | annadane | which is de-agnostic, kinda |
| 18:06.14 | ratrace | why do people recommend startx still in 2020 .... the age of DOS and typing `win` to get to GUI was over.... decades ago. |
| 18:06.20 | greycat | ratrace: you mean like ctrl-alt-backspace? that's been disabled by default for many years. |
| 18:06.23 | jelly | ratrace: because it works? |
| 18:06.35 | ratrace | DOS works too. |
| 18:06.47 | jka1 | ratrace: I just tried it out for testing purposes |
| 18:06.49 | jelly | does it? I haven't tried it in years. |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | ratrace: it's the simplest way to get control over your session. Everything makes sense and works as expected. |
| 18:07.16 | Henry151 | i still start x with "startx" every time on all of my devices, works just fine for me |
| 18:07.22 | greycat | same here |
| 18:07.23 | annadane | i hear lightdm doesn't respect .profile so yeah feel free to just use slim i guess, i figure it could be more reliable because of the fact it's not tied to any one project |
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| 18:07.40 | greycat | annadane: *none* of them read .profile because they do not run a login shell. |
| 18:07.46 | annadane | well, colour me stupid |
| 18:07.50 | jelly | I use sddm with xfce and kde. |
| 18:07.58 | ratrace | annadane: I don't know about ~/.profile but one can certainly use ~/.xsessionrc |
| 18:07.59 | jka1 | O.K. |
| 18:08.15 | ratrace | annadane: I know I do to set $PATH and some other thingies for my lightdm + i3wm setup |
| 18:08.21 | jelly | jka1: is there any difference is mouse behaviour? |
| 18:08.23 | jka1 | lightdm works fine |
| 18:08.29 | jelly | in* |
| 18:08.49 | Henry151 | i am using lightdm with i3 also, ratrace :) it's a very satisfying setup |
| 18:08.53 | ratrace | greycat: but why even bother, why just not go straight for the DM |
| 18:08.58 | jka1 | So i think it's an gdm issue |
| 18:09.22 | greycat | ratrace: sometimes you don't want X. You just want to boot straight into a shell. Or maybe you want to be able to configure your login in a sensible way, using ~/.profile or whatever you're used to. |
| 18:09.29 | ratrace | Henry151: indeed :) even PyCharm fixed a few bugs that plagued it running under i3-wm, just for us handful of users of PyCharm under i3 :) |
| 18:09.44 | jelly | jka1: which gpu card does the machine use? |
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| 18:09.50 | Henry151 | haha, i am just beginning to use PyCharm funny coincidence |
| 18:09.53 | ratrace | greycat: and for that I just add 3 on the kernel command line :) or systemd.unit=multi-user.target |
| 18:09.57 | greycat | jka1: if you installed GNOME, gdm3 tries to run Wayland instead of X. Jelly is speculating that maybe Wayland isn't working on your system. |
| 18:09.59 | trysten | so i just installed debian using Debian live 10.3 installer option. I never got a tasksel screen and now I can't figure out how to get wifi. I have the driver but wpasupplicant doens't seem to be set up in any way I recognize |
| 18:10.18 | jka1 | I also think that it's an wayland issue |
| 18:10.28 | ratrace | greycat: for those very, very, very, very rare cases when I'd need to boot directly into the shell :) |
| 18:10.34 | trysten | How do I use wpasupplicant package in the base system? wpacli nor wpa_supplicant are on the path |
| 18:10.45 | ratrace | !su |
| 18:10.46 | dpkg | extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin. It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su". |
| 18:11.25 | jelly | jka1: maybe it is, maybe it's not, maybe the root cause is "3d acceleration not working well because missing firmware for particular graphic chip" but at least you have a workaround |
| 18:11.34 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 18:11.34 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 18:11.38 | ratrace | ^^^ this one explains better |
| 18:11.39 | jka1 | No, this is no workaround |
| 18:11.39 | greycat | dpkg, su =~ s|/sbin|/sbin (see <buster su>)| |
| 18:11.41 | dpkg | greycat: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:11.53 | jka1 | I don't like gnome, too |
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| 18:12.00 | greycat | dpkg, su =~ s#/sbin#/sbin (see <buster su>)# |
| 18:12.01 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 18:12.12 | greycat | that's disturbing |
| 18:12.34 | jelly | jka1: if gnome is the only DE installed you'll still be logging in to that, just from lightdm and with X as backend. |
| 18:13.01 | ratrace | does gnome work from lightdm? |
| 18:13.15 | jelly | jka1: typically there's a way to choose a "session" somewhere on the login screen |
| 18:14.01 | trysten | why isn't /usr/sbin in the path? |
| 18:14.20 | ratrace | !tell trysten about buster su |
| 18:14.21 | jka1 | There is another advantage: In lightdm you have to enter an user name. |
| 18:14.43 | jelly | jka1: what does gdm have, user icons? |
| 18:14.52 | jka1 | Yes |
| 18:15.01 | jelly | huh. sddm has both. |
| 18:15.12 | greycat | I really, really dislike sddm's login method. You can't even SEE the user name. Only the user GECOS field. |
| 18:15.20 | trysten | doh, thank you. Didn't realize that was directed at me thanks for solution |
| 18:15.38 | jka1 | The graphics adapter: Matrox MGA G200e |
| 18:15.40 | ratrace | trysten: ah sorry I missed to highlight you earlier |
| 18:15.44 | greycat | You need to make sure the GECOS field is unique enough for users to select the right icon. |
| 18:16.17 | jka1 | Do i want to use lxde instead of gnome? :-) |
| 18:16.27 | greycat | Only you know what you want. |
| 18:17.04 | jka1 | Gnome seems to be a bit "oversized" for a simple console |
| 18:18.04 | jka1 | I just want to have a look in some utilities (raid, ups, control software for a usb-network-server...) |
| 18:18.25 | greycat | well then, consider using a regular window manager instead of a Desktop Environment |
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| 18:21.19 | greycat | for a good time, call apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager | sed '1,/^Reverse Provides/d' | sort | awk '{printf("%s ", $1)}' ; echo |
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| 18:23.56 | jka1 | So i have a display manager, a window manager and a desktop environment...?!? |
| 18:25.07 | greycat | You do not need a desktop environment. I strongly urge you to consider not using one at all, on a "server". |
| 18:25.42 | greycat | A display manager is a graphical login program. It runs either X or Wayland at boot time, and if X or Wayland isn't working, you have serious problems. |
| 18:25.57 | greycat | A window manager is responsible for letting you move toplevel windows around, resize them, etc. |
| 18:27.07 | jka1 | The last time i hang around with this issues was 1995, while i was compiling a xorg on my slakware pc. |
| 18:27.08 | jka1 | I think it's still compiling^ |
| 18:27.08 | jka1 | ^ |
| 18:27.08 | jka1 | ^^ |
| 18:27.09 | jka1 | Kernel 1.2.13 |
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| 18:27.32 | annadane | ^^^ |
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| 18:28.11 | trysten | <3 |
| 18:28.14 | jka1 | wtf? |
| 18:28.23 | ansimita | !paste |
| 18:28.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:29.27 | jka1 | In germany we have a word for this: *hmpf*!!! ^^ |
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| 18:30.45 | annadane | a word, and not multiple, stringed together compound words? |
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| 18:31.18 | jka1 | You really helped me. Thank you very much. I think i have to take a cold shower now ;-) |
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| 18:31.56 | annadane | the german word for cold shower is called a "bergschlassanunderdansen" |
| 18:32.01 | annadane | (not really) |
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| 18:37.39 | EdePopede | annadane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Fuchs |
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| 18:41.14 | salkin-mada | how can I downgrade qtwayland5 on debian buster? when running 'apt policy qtwayland5' the version table only includes the newest (which I have) -> 5.11.3-2 ? |
| 18:41.27 | greycat | downgrade to what? |
| 18:41.37 | salkin-mada | the one just before |
| 18:41.38 | greycat | (and why?) |
| 18:41.45 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 18:41.46 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 18:42.17 | greycat | is there, like, a bug report? some specific reason you think downgrading this pacakge will improve your life? |
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| 18:42.39 | salkin-mada | ah snapshot. thanks. i am trying to find out what is creating this weird qt/wayland/x bug in my now somehow semi broken setup.. |
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| 18:44.01 | salkin-mada | i can run some X apps in XWayland on my Wayland (Sway) setup. but some apps dont work anymore. as of 6 days ago they stopped working. |
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| 18:44.14 | salkin-mada | as an example qutebrowser throws -> WebEngine compiled with X11 support, however qpa backend is not xcb. This may fail. |
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| 18:44.39 | trysten | ok I am in base system, trying to get wpasupplicant to work |
| 18:45.03 | trysten | Right now I'm trying to figure out where the default wpa_supplicant control socket is. wpa_cli can't find it |
| 18:45.50 | watom | hey, isn't /tmp mount as tmpfs as default? i remember stretch to be like that. but on buster seems a standard folder |
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| 18:47.04 | greycat | no, that's not a default as far as I know |
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| 18:51.41 | ratrace | trysten: wherever you configure ctrl_interface, by default /run/wpa_supplicant methinks |
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| 18:52.32 | salkin-mada | greycat: no bug report yet. I have the feeling it was something I did :=) |
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| 18:54.22 | trysten | ratrace: it mentions that as the default, but i've already got a wpa_supplicant service running that I figured I should be able to access |
| 18:55.23 | trysten | But you inspired me to check the command line of that service again, and it has wpa_supplicant -u, which is D-BUS |
| 18:55.39 | salkin-mada | was toying/fooling around with QT_QPA_PLATFORM, and now something is off.. #qt people say that as long as I dont have enything like this in my environment i should be good. qt shoudl automatically detect the backend if QT_QPA_PLATFORM is *not* set. And I have not written this to any files. Only toyed with it per session. But anyway some apps qt dont seems to be able to automatically find the proper backend anymore. |
| 18:56.09 | ratrace | trysten: they're not in conflict afaik |
| 18:56.33 | ratrace | trysten: now I am not sure if ctrl_interface will be created by default, or only if you explicitly specify it in the wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 18:56.39 | ratrace | (or give it via -g on the command line) |
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| 18:58.08 | trysten | so I should just run a seperate wpa_supplicant for this scenario, instead of trying to use the provided service. Because I only need to connect once so I can download NetworkManager or whatever |
| 18:59.51 | ratrace | trysten: depends what I you want. personally I don't run any of the services but allow interface(5) to control the supplicant. if I wasn't using that, then I'd use the wpa_supplicant@.service template with named interfaces |
| 19:01.11 | ratrace | that's interfaces(5) with an 's' |
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| 19:11.37 | trysten | I did it, thank you for help. I simply launched wpa_supplicant in the foreground instead of using the service templates. Can you give a quick example of how to use the template? |
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| 19:33.08 | terr | I need some help correcting some WiFi connection options that I screwed up because I didn't know what I was doing |
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| 19:36.28 | terr | I have a dlink router. in the KDE connection editor I see dlink-8600, I see dlink-8600-5GHz-EXT. I cehcked the router - yup - these entries look correct. If I highlight dlink-8600 I have the option to connect (but it fails because it says no secrets were exchancged). If I highlight dlink-8600-5GHz-EXT I only have the option to edit or delete. I am not allowed to connect.. and that is the link that ran for ages |
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| 19:42.23 | tarrie | out of curiosity does apt use ftps or sftp? |
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| 19:44.27 | EdePopede | http i guess |
| 19:44.32 | EdePopede | !ftpmustdie |
| 19:44.32 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . For authenticated file transfer, ask me about <sftp>. For unauthenticated download, HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html . Debian ceased offering mirrors via FTP on 2017-11-01 https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170425 |
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| 19:44.58 | EdePopede | and: don't trust https for the sanity of your packages. check the signature. |
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| 19:45.26 | tarrie | perfect thx for the explainer |
| 19:45.31 | EdePopede | !apt https |
| 19:45.32 | dpkg | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
| 19:46.19 | jelly | tarrie: it can use https, and it can use tor hidden services, but Debian's repos don't use any of that right now, not by default |
| 19:46.20 | EdePopede | the only reason i could see would be the government |
| 19:47.34 | jelly | EdePopede: if an adversary can see which packages you're downloading they can infer something about the software you're running and possible holes in it before it gets patched |
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| 19:49.40 | EdePopede | jelly: 0days happen all the time. but downloading some software which makes you a terrorist in your gov's eyes is a different thing. like end-to-end encrypted messengers. |
| 19:50.04 | greycat | you mean mutt and gnupg? |
| 19:51.08 | EdePopede | after it gets on their radar, yes. |
| 19:51.41 | EdePopede | they are shouting already for backdoors. of course only for such which can used only by OUR services! |
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| 19:51.56 | watom | i think systemd should mount /tmp as tmpfs by default. it has a tmp.mount unit. for some reason is not there in debian. but i'm kinda sure it was in the past. anyway i can copy it from /usr/share/systemd/tmp.mount and enable it |
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| 20:00.01 | annadane | if you write an image to a usb - obviously as root - you should sync as root as well, right? |
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| 20:01.35 | noln | sync by root is the same as non-root, both flush the page cache, which does not track uid's |
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| 20:03.33 | jelly | and yes that means that any user could call sync all the time, and slow down the machine a bit |
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| 20:14.42 | ritmo | hey everyone! |
| 20:14.48 | ritmo | any1 here? :) |
| 20:14.49 | annadane | hi there |
| 20:14.52 | annadane | sure, lots of people |
| 20:14.55 | ritmo | nice :D |
| 20:15.01 | ritmo | i have a small question maybe someone can help me here |
| 20:15.04 | annadane | whether we're sober, however... |
| 20:15.18 | ritmo | i want to read and write NTFS on my debian10 laptop |
| 20:15.47 | ritmo | i can move a file FROM my usb stick to the laptop |
| 20:15.52 | ritmo | but on move something TO the USB |
| 20:16.15 | ritmo | i imagine there must be an easy way to do it but all the articles i read were really complicated |
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| 20:16.39 | greycat | !ntfsrw |
| 20:16.39 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 20:17.03 | ritmo | ntfs-3g is installed by defaulkt |
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| 20:20.29 | ritmo | Well, i think im missing the point |
| 20:20.44 | ritmo | I have ntfs-3g installed. I tried all those commands.. |
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| 20:21.01 | ritmo | Should it work by default? Or do i have to do something to be able to move files to an NTFS drive? |
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| 20:21.56 | donnib | Hi, i just embarked my journey with proxmox. I installed Debian in a VM and when asked about disk i choose LVM (i am not sure what that means, i only read somewhere that it should be better). The disk was 32gb now i added more disk space from proxmox but i canât figure out how to use it in the VM |
| 20:22.04 | donnib | i did find this https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Resize_disks |
| 20:22.11 | donnib | however whe i try 2 dmesg | grep vda there is no events found |
| 20:22.21 | donnib | neither does fdisk -l /dev/vda | grep ^/dev return anything |
| 20:22.27 | donnib | what am i doing wrong ? |
| 20:22.39 | greycat | your VM probably doesn't use /dev/vd* |
| 20:22.52 | greycat | also, |
| 20:22.54 | greycat | !proxmox |
| 20:22.54 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 20:23.17 | donnib | ok , thx i will head over there |
| 20:23.21 | ritmo | Ok, thank you DPKG |
| 20:23.24 | ritmo | i figured it out |
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| 20:23.37 | ritmo | It's super easy: |
| 20:24.11 | ritmo | I just nanoed into /etc/fstab and added /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 at the end of the text |
| 20:24.14 | ritmo | now it works |
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| 20:24.21 | ritmo | don't know why but it does! :D |
| 20:25.00 | terr | in my log files I am getting: wlp2s0: link is not ready it is the correct interface and it was working this morning. I am trying to set up a network connection. why would this be happening |
| 20:25.51 | EdePopede | ritmo: the command checks the file and uses the settind you provide there. man mount and man fstab maybe ;) |
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| 20:27.34 | marco_ | exit |
| 20:28.28 | ritmo | Ok, it didnt work |
| 20:28.32 | ritmo | it started copying |
| 20:28.35 | ritmo | but at 100% it stopped |
| 20:28.36 | ritmo | ... |
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| 20:32.17 | ratrace | ritmo: wait until it finishes. ntfs-3g is a FUSE driver and writes are cached, a write operation might hang until the kernel is done syncing to the actual filesystem |
| 20:33.19 | ritmo | ok i will wait .. lets see. took more than3 minutes for a 1,5gb file now |
| 20:33.26 | ritmo | and i cancelled it |
| 20:33.32 | ritmo | thanks btw |
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| 20:34.48 | ratrace | ritmo: being FUSE, it's rather very slow yes |
| 20:35.16 | lwp | ritmo, if you are still talking about an ntfs USB stick, some USB interfaces are S...L...O...w |
| 20:35.28 | ratrace | ritmo: (Filesystem in USErspace, ie. it's not a native kernel module, thus it has a lot of overhead) |
| 20:35.54 | ritmo | NICE :D it worked |
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| 20:44.55 | autopsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.02 | autopsy | Any suggesteions? |
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| 20:46.47 | dvs | You still might need the firmware for it? |
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| 20:49.39 | XsiSec | Hi folks I have a newbie question I have installed hddtemp, I have grant fully access to the program for my cureent user '-rwxrwxrwx 1 xsisec xsisec 40328 Jan 21 2018 /usr/sbin/hddtemp' though when I using the command in for instance in conky it says N/A, so basically conky havent the priveleges to the program how can I solve this? |
| 20:50.39 | ritmo | Thanks everyone for the help! Have a good one |
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| 21:08.55 | annadane | how do you see what's included in the non-free firmware images again? |
| 21:11.53 | oerheks | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and scroll down, right hand side ? |
| 21:12.26 | lwp | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.3.0+nonfree/amd64/ then look at the list-* subdirectories |
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| 22:37.04 | annadane | why do i still get a tsc_deadline disabled due to errata please update microcode message on a fresh install with the firmware image? as well as other firmware error messages |
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| 22:38.05 | annadane | realtek firmware according to dmesg loads fine, but atheros doesn't and also the intel-microcode i just mentioned |
| 22:39.21 | annadane | (and yes, the drivers are available for atheros, i've installed them before) |
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| 22:41.44 | annadane | i did think microcode would be installed by default but it isn't |
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| 22:50.16 | annadane | oh, huh. even gpg isn't installed by default |
| 22:52.10 | ratrace | annadane: I think that's referring to intel-microcode, and indeed, non-free pkgs are never installed by default. |
| 22:52.31 | trek00 | annadane: if you like having stuff installed by default, check the task-* virtual packages |
| 22:52.44 | ratrace | could've also been remedied by a BIOS update |
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| 22:53.19 | ratrace | infact, by now any BIOS still lacking microcode updates is probably overdue for an update, so it's a good indicator for that. |
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| 23:34.24 | jteppinette | Thoughts on using ffmpeg2theora vs ffmpeg directly to convert video files to OGG Theora? |
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| 23:49.31 | HelloShitty | Evening everyone |
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| 23:51.00 | HelloShitty | I was here using 'dd' command and I was thinking why there are the 2 options 'bs' and 'count'. I mean, when formatting a flash rive, is there any consequence of using higher count for lower bs? Or the other way around, other than the time it takes to perform the action? |
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| 23:51.28 | HelloShitty | I know we can use 'dd' to truncate space an creating sparse files, etc |
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| 23:51.44 | HelloShitty | but when formatting, are those 2 options of any use? |
| 23:52.08 | ryouma | what does one do with a dvd to put it on a hard drive watchably by vlc? i can mount it and copy it presumably, but will that work? |
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| 23:52.40 | ryouma | i.e. can vlc run on a dir? |
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| 23:53.25 | HelloShitty | For instance, I want to wipe clean a 128Gb USB flash drive. Are there any dis/avantages on using higher bs and lower count or the other way aroun, other than time takne? |
| 23:55.00 | dvs | HelloShitty, if you're formatting the entire device, I don't see a need to use count. However, it will end with an error message but the device will be formatted. |
| 23:55.46 | HelloShitty | dvs: yes, I'm aware of that |
| 23:56.04 | HelloShitty | but is it the only difference, the time taken? |
| 23:56.23 | HelloShitty | like, if I choose smaller bs an higher count, it will take longer |
| 23:56.29 | HelloShitty | an will take less time, otherwise |
| 23:56.43 | HelloShitty | but other than that, are there any more differences? |
| 23:56.46 | dvs | HelloShitty, the time it takes is a matter of bs only |
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| 23:57.28 | HelloShitty | yes, but if you change bs you need to change count accordingly, if you want to avoid the error at the end |
| 23:57.54 | HelloShitty | but other than that, will be just time, no? |
| 23:58.32 | ryouma | i think it is just a bunch of bits to copy |
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