| 00:03.04 | jteppinette | dvs, thanks for the help, figured out that you need to enter "install acpi=off" at the "boot: " prompt. |
| 00:03.19 | dvs | ok |
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| 01:35.13 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone know if Zoom referenced in the following URL is the same Zoom as the Zoom Viewer in the stable repository https://zoom.us/download? |
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| 01:43.55 | petn-randall | Gigglebyte: Do you mean zoom-player? There's no package named "zoom" in stable. |
| 01:44.24 | Gigglebyte | I don't know. Is that the same as the URL I posted earlier? |
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| 01:44.56 | petn-randall | No. |
| 01:46.05 | petn-randall | Gigglebyte: It doesn't look like free software, so I don't think it'll be packaged in Debian. |
| 01:46.38 | Gigglebyte | ok. Then it is a different program. I haven't looked at the repos so don't know if it will be in there. I am always reluctant to install things not in the repo for fear of turning my laptop into a Frankenstein. Its happened before. |
| 01:47.19 | petn-randall | Gigglebyte: You can always install such stuff in a VM, which you just reset when things go north. |
| 01:48.03 | Gigglebyte | petn-randall> I am on an older Dell Vostro 1520 so not sure I have that option. It is likely at least as old as 2013 circa or earlier. |
| 01:48.12 | Gigglebyte | I think it will support kvm though. |
| 01:48.28 | petn-randall | Ah, it's usually a matter of RAM. |
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| 01:49.01 | petn-randall | an idle VM won't take much CPU, but it will still grab the RAM that you assigned to it. |
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| 02:59.23 | vioxx | Question: I'm planning to install a fresh Debian Sid on a real pc which has 300GB HD , what's the recommended partitions size for separated root and Home partitions ? |
| 03:00.12 | dvs | vioxx, I'd use 50GB for root |
| 03:00.18 | dvs | at least |
| 03:00.25 | acidtripper | vioxx, depends on usage |
| 03:00.31 | acidtripper | what are you planning to do? |
| 03:00.38 | vioxx | At least 50GB |
| 03:01.10 | vioxx | It will be justa a second machine |
| 03:01.24 | acidtripper | desktop usage? |
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| 03:01.40 | acidtripper | which DE? cores? ram? |
| 03:01.49 | acidtripper | sid is the old testing? 9? |
| 03:02.00 | dvs | !sid |
| 03:02.00 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 03:02.15 | vioxx | intel 3rd generation i7, 16 ram |
| 03:02.15 | dvs | !stretch |
| 03:02.16 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
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| 03:03.00 | nickgaw | Hi, Where is the updated documentation for the debian-installer for developers wishing to work on the installer? |
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| 03:03.18 | acidtripper | i would use 60 or 80gb for root, |
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| 03:03.53 | acidtripper | i know sid is the testing, but as busted was released, sid continue being the unstable? |
| 03:04.23 | dvs | acidtripper, sid will always be unstable |
| 03:04.30 | acidtripper | okeeey |
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| 03:08.08 | nickgaw | Is there a better place to ask questions about the developers documentation for the debian-installer? |
| 03:08.39 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 03:08.39 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:09.01 | gry | #debian-boot at oftc, or #debian-next, nickgaw |
| 03:11.17 | acidtripper | can somebody ask a question without a !? |
| 03:11.23 | acidtripper | answer |
| 03:11.42 | sponix2ipfw | acidtripper: Sid is always unstable |
| 03:11.59 | acidtripper | hah yes thanks sponix2ipfw |
| 03:12.32 | lwp | !factaday |
| 03:12.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, factaday is factoid a day keeps the doctor away, especially if it's useless and/or tastes bad |
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| 03:20.21 | disillusion | Can someone tell me why openssh-server, using ufw to administer firewall, from WAN addresses is so problematic on Debian 9 and 10 whereas on Debian 8 everything worked just fine? |
| 03:20.51 | disillusion | I'd like to know what changed that makes openssh-server impossible to access from WAN no matter what I do |
| 03:21.20 | disillusion | and there's just plain weird behavior |
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| 03:22.44 | disillusion | for example, I have the router forwarding all port 22 traffic to my server, but ufw blocks all port 22 traffic, and in the ufw.log file I see every I.P. trying to do that. But then when I enable an I.P. address and try to connect from it, there's nothing in ufw.log for that address, even though the blocked ones display. |
| 03:23.05 | acidtripper | can you paste ssh -V |
| 03:23.33 | disillusion | OpenSSH_7.9p1 Debian-10+deb10u2, OpenSSL 1.1.1d 10 Sep 2019 |
| 03:24.49 | disillusion | I can shell in from LAN and VPN (OpenVPN) addresses just fine |
| 03:25.10 | acidtripper | which rule you did for 22? |
| 03:25.26 | disillusion | same as for LAN and VPN addresses: |
| 03:25.28 | acidtripper | on ufw |
| 03:25.40 | disillusion | sudo ufw allow from IP_address to any port 22 |
| 03:25.56 | disillusion | and I've tried: |
| 03:25.58 | acidtripper | rule, not talk |
| 03:26.09 | disillusion | sudo ufw allow in on eth0 to any port 22 |
| 03:26.09 | acidtripper | code |
| 03:27.11 | acidtripper | paste: ufw status |
| 03:27.14 | disillusion | acidtripper, this is how I do it on ufw. Is there some other way? |
| 03:27.40 | acidtripper | ^^^ paste ufw status |
| 03:27.52 | disillusion | acidtripper, I don't need to do that |
| 03:28.00 | acidtripper | you want help? |
| 03:28.04 | acidtripper | ufw allow 22/tcp |
| 03:28.07 | acidtripper | should be |
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| 03:28.12 | disillusion | the IP addresses are in the same format as the LAN and VPN addresses which work just fine |
| 03:28.21 | acidtripper | paste ufw status if you want help, |
| 03:28.26 | disillusion | acidtripper, just allowing 22 does both protocols |
| 03:28.29 | acidtripper | neither i cant help you |
| 03:29.02 | disillusion | ok I'll try with just tcp |
| 03:29.29 | acidtripper | also you can do $ufw allow ssh |
| 03:29.58 | acidtripper | but please paste what i need, try to collaborate if you want help |
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| 03:30.55 | disillusion | no difference when I try with just tcp |
| 03:31.35 | acidtripper | well... if your going to paste the command i need, do it... if not, i hope you'r ok |
| 03:31.46 | acidtripper | maybe you have to be less stubborn... |
| 03:32.00 | disillusion | acidtripper, and what's weird is that I disable ufw and it still doesn't work from WAN |
| 03:32.40 | disillusion | this is unreal. I've actually had it work for me randomly and I have no idea why. |
| 03:32.48 | acidtripper | i won't talk anymore... you want help and doesn't paste what i ask. be free and solve the issue at your own |
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| 03:33.01 | acidtripper | you don't have idea, and don't want help. best wished. |
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| 03:33.06 | acidtripper | bye bye |
| 03:33.17 | disillusion | but it's so frustrating trying to run a Debian server that can be shelled into from multiple WAN addresses and it just acts strange |
| 03:33.39 | disillusion | there's no way I'm the only one with this problem |
| 03:33.56 | acidtripper | i asked you 10 times to paste a command,... you continue blaming |
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| 03:34.01 | acidtripper | bye, i have better things to do.. |
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| 03:34.20 | disillusion | and I don't need to paste the whole output of ufw status. IT's all the exact same, with just the IP addresses changed. The LAN and VPN addresses all shell in just fine but WAN addresses dont' work. |
| 03:35.33 | acidtripper | first you have to open machines port, you don't get the idea. and think that you know what you'r doing |
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| 03:35.45 | acidtripper | !quiet disillusion |
| 03:36.22 | disillusion | sudo ufw status |
| 03:36.22 | disillusion | Status: active |
| 03:36.22 | disillusion | To Action From |
| 03:36.22 | disillusion | -- ------ ---- |
| 03:36.22 | disillusion | 22 ALLOW 123.123.123.0/24 |
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| 03:36.58 | acidtripper | thanks god! ;) |
| 03:37.49 | GenTooMan | I' |
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| 03:38.39 | disillusion | To Action From |
| 03:38.48 | disillusion | 22 ALLOW 123.123.123.0/24 |
| 03:38.53 | disillusion | thats LAN |
| 03:39.04 | disillusion | 22 ALLOW 10.8.0.0/24 # VPN (works) |
| 03:39.18 | disillusion | 22 ALLOW 200.100.100.100 # WAN (doesn't work) |
| 03:40.26 | disillusion | how come LAN and VPN addresses work on Debian 9 and 10 server (now using 10) and the WAN addresses sometimes work and most of the time don't? |
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| 03:41.35 | disillusion | Back in the day, on both Ubuntu and Debian servers I just allow a WAN address and it can shell in immediately, and I can see the attempts in ufw.log. But like 2 years ago the system changed and it's just crazy now. |
| 03:41.58 | disillusion | sometimes the attempt shows up in ufw.log, most the time it doesn't |
| 03:42.34 | disillusion | my router shows attempts coming in every time. It's scary that Ubuntu and Debian servers over the past 2 years don't even show attempts in ufw.log |
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| 03:43.47 | disillusion | and frustrating that some weird shit is going on underneath the hood so that an openssh-server is inaccessible from a WAN |
| 03:44.33 | GenTooMan | um /msg dpkg paste please disillusion? |
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| 03:44.49 | disillusion | I beg anyone to set up a Debian 10 server right now on a host machine, with a default desktop such as xfce, using only ufw for firewall, and ask a friend to try to shell into it. |
| 03:45.42 | disillusion | it's like the developers don't even test for this, which has me totally baffled |
| 03:47.49 | disillusion | just a host machine behind a home router |
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| 03:59.49 | GenTooMan | on ufw log is in /var/log? |
| 03:59.59 | GenTooMan | and even (tired sorry) |
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| 04:16.15 | Caspan | I have an SFTP user and I want their home directory to be /var/www where would i change where this users HOME DIR is? |
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| 04:16.24 | Caspan | sorry for the Newb question |
| 04:18.54 | jteppinette | Caspan: `man -k usermod` |
| 04:19.07 | Caspan | thank you |
| 04:20.05 | jteppinette | Let me know if you need help after reading the man page |
| 04:22.07 | Caspan | sudo apt-get purgeusermod -d /path/to/dir username |
| 04:22.19 | Caspan | that seems to work but then SFTP login fails |
| 04:22.33 | Caspan | once i set it back to his home directory he can log in again |
| 04:22.56 | Caspan | does he have to have certain permissions on the /var/www directory to set that as the home directory |
| 04:23.53 | jteppinette | Did you mean to include the `apt-get purge` in that command? |
| 04:24.58 | Caspan | lol |
| 04:25.03 | Caspan | no sorry old paste |
| 04:25.09 | Caspan | was removing the FP server |
| 04:25.13 | Caspan | FTP server |
| 04:25.27 | Caspan | mod -d /path/to/dir username |
| 04:26.10 | Caspan | man i really need to get back into Linux |
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| 04:26.45 | jteppinette | You may need to check the permissions on that directory and chmod/chown them appropriately. However, I will point out that putting a user's home directory to /var/www is a recipe for disaster. IMO. |
| 04:27.41 | Caspan | all this user is used for is FTP uploads |
| 04:27.50 | Caspan | for the site |
| 04:28.04 | Caspan | can you explain so i knwo what i am doing stupid lol |
| 04:28.37 | Caspan | only access to the server is SSH, 80, 443 |
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| 04:29.55 | Caspan | I want to then chroot jail them to that directory |
| 04:30.20 | joepublic | I don't see ftp listed among SSH, 80, 443 |
| 04:30.50 | Caspan | SFTP sorry |
| 04:31.07 | Caspan | using Publick and Private keys to do it |
| 04:32.59 | jteppinette | Well, for example, if your user's home directory is at /var/www and you are serving /var/www over 80/443, and you are using SSH with a default configuration, then people will be able to simply grab your private key at `.ssh/id_rsa` ... |
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| 04:33.42 | Caspan | My sites are configured under that |
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| 04:34.09 | Caspan | there are folders for site1.com, site2.com etc |
| 04:34.20 | Caspan | only those folders are exposed to Apache |
| 04:34.32 | Caspan | the users will be landing 1 level above the folders |
| 04:37.04 | jteppinette | still smells of danger, why not just give your user rwx on /var/www you can `chown -R <your-user>:www-data /var/www && chmod -R 0750 /var/www` ... something like that perhaps |
| 04:38.10 | jteppinette | I have never setup SFTP for this purpose however, so I could be off base on your usecase. |
| 04:39.23 | Caspan | I was looking at groups |
| 04:39.40 | Caspan | then in sshd_config restricting based on the group there |
| 04:40.43 | Caspan | www-data |
| 04:40.46 | Caspan | that would work also |
| 04:40.51 | Caspan | ill just do that |
| 04:43.38 | jteppinette | :thumbsup: |
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| 04:53.45 | Caspan | https://devanswers.co/configure-sftp-web-server-document-root/ |
| 04:53.50 | Caspan | finnaly got it using that |
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| 08:40.58 | ni291187 | hi guys , i have this problem installing debian on virtualbox https://t.me/c/1120396371/436858 |
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| 08:43.20 | ni291187 | https://ibb.co/R7KzFkJ |
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| 08:44.57 | jelly | ni291187: so take a look at virtual console 4 by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F4 |
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| 08:46.39 | jelly | ni291187: the t.me telegram link does not work, "Message in a private group or channel. This link will only work if you are a member." |
| 08:47.34 | ni291187 | jelly thanks but there is no such option , i sent ibb link instead telegram |
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| 08:50.30 | schu-r | ni291187: seems to be a problem with the virtual Harddisk. Enough space? Be aware that some Disks like qcow2 say yes enough but want to grow bigger. So ist there enough space on you host partition? |
| 08:52.35 | jelly | ni291187: what option? You can't type in the Ctrl-Alt-F4 key combo and send it to the VM? |
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| 09:10.51 | wwilliam | why is it faster in my box to download using filezilla than mounting locally with sshfs an cp ? |
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| 09:13.11 | schu-r | wwilliam: Any hint on the CPU. What ist the CPU utilization in both ways of yor box? |
| 09:13.32 | yesyes1 | jelly thanks sorry dc , i have changed irc client, would you resend your opinion , i didnt find consol 4 |
| 09:13.38 | jelly | wwilliam: I don't know, but it could be any number of reasons, eg. different options for ssh, filezilla using parallel connections for partial downloads |
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| 09:13.56 | yesyes1 | schu-r sorry dc , yes i have created 20 GB |
| 09:14.28 | jelly | yesyes1: there should be a console on Alt-F2 or F3 where you can read the mentioned log file, then |
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| 09:24.32 | yesyes1 | jelly https://ibb.co/hgWMfrn |
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| 09:26.36 | jelly | yesyes1: half the screen is missing, but the mention of "kali-rolling" in debootstrap line makes me think this isn't exactly a Debian installer |
| 09:27.24 | jelly | yesyes1: are you installing actual debian, preferably current 10.3, or something else? |
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| 09:27.33 | wwilliam | schu-r: I dont understand both ways cpu on source box and destination? |
| 09:27.35 | wwilliam | jelly: |
| 09:27.55 | yesyes1 | jelly latest kali 64bit installer |
| 09:27.58 | wwilliam | how do i make sshfs use parallel for partial downloads.? |
| 09:28.19 | jelly | !kali |
| 09:28.19 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 09:28.25 | jelly | yesyes1: ^ |
| 09:28.46 | jelly | wwilliam: sshfs doesn't do that as far as I know. |
| 09:28.57 | wwilliam | oh OK. |
| 09:29.01 | schu-r | wwilliam: on the box. what is if sshfs needs more CPU power due compression, but you use (example: Raspberry) and not the Network ist the Problem, but the CPU. |
| 09:29.34 | yesyes1 | jelly nothing useful in syslog ? |
| 09:29.52 | wwilliam | top - 05:29:27 up 145 days, 16:45, 6 users, load average: 4.20, 4.19, 4.20 32 CPU's |
| 09:30.40 | jelly | yesyes1: see what the bot said, if you're using Kali, you should ask in the correct place for kali. I won't help this issue further unless you can replicate it with real Debian |
| 09:30.49 | schu-r | wwilliam: OK doesnt look lie a cpu problem. But I didnt know your HW setup |
| 09:31.10 | wwilliam | Thanks schu-r |
| 09:32.03 | wwilliam | I get cping thru sshfs 4MB/s while using filezilla i get 30 or 40 MB/s |
| 09:32.11 | wwilliam | big difference. |
| 09:33.41 | yesyes1 | jelly thanks how may i remove time from result of cat syslog |
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| 09:35.54 | jelly | wwilliam: I get line speed with rsync from sshfs source to tmpfs destination. |
| 09:35.58 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:36.25 | jelly | (I'm limited to 500Mbps on the switch, so it's pretty close) |
| 09:36.48 | wwilliam | That is what Im doing rsync --progress -avhH |
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| 09:37.06 | jelly | wwilliam: did you look at cpu using during the transfer? |
| 09:37.14 | wwilliam | 1.84G 100% 4.56MB/s 0:06:25 (xfr#1, to-chk=0/1) |
| 09:37.35 | wwilliam | that top is now transferring |
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| 09:38.14 | jelly | that's not CPU usage |
| 09:38.30 | wwilliam | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1a52a829/ |
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| 10:19.37 | wwilliam | jelly: i was refering to: |
| 10:20.00 | wwilliam | 05:29] <wwilliam> top - 05:29:27 up 145 days, 16:45, 6 users, load average: 4.20, 4.19, 4.20 32 CPU's |
| 10:22.40 | jelly | wwilliam: top will tell you CPU% in single-processor by default, you press capital I ("irix mode") to switch between 100% meaning single core and 100% meaning all cpu resources |
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| 10:23.43 | jelly | wwilliam: if your ssh process is taking close tu 100% of one cpu, then you need to investigate ssh options used by sshfs. |
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| 10:25.03 | jelly | wwilliam: if it doesn't then it's something else. If you have ssh shell access, and rsync installed on the other side as well, consider using rsync over ssh directly instead of sshfs. |
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| 10:26.22 | wwilliam | the other other box is windowze is rsync available for windowze? |
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| 10:27.43 | wwilliam | thanks jelly |
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| 10:29.36 | wwilliam | jelly: I press ssh: |
| 10:29.39 | wwilliam | 10065 root 20 0 37000 5576 4772 S 0.238 0.001 0:02.30 ssh |
| 10:29.58 | wwilliam | CPU 0.238 |
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| 10:54.27 | ratrace | wwilliam: there are cygwin based rsync solutions, but I'd be curious to know if you can use WSL/WSL2 and native linux rsync on win. |
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| 10:55.10 | wwilliam | Thank you ratrace will investigate. |
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| 11:56.17 | mspe | ratrace: or you could give msys2 a try |
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| 11:57.05 | mspe | lots of free programs compiled for windows and packaged as tar.xz, managed by pacman! |
| 11:58.10 | mspe | in addition to usual bash, git and ssh, you instantly get functional python3, rsync, zsh, etc. |
| 11:58.41 | mspe | even some graphical applications like blender, gedit, gitg, gimp, etc. |
| 11:59.03 | kats99 | hey guys..idk if it fits here but when I try to send a file to another guy through dcc it replies with no route to host. I can send a file to myself but how do I send it to him? |
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| 11:59.49 | kats99 | Or am I getting the syntax wrong of /dcc send? |
| 12:00.50 | diogenes_ | kats99, what you trying to do? |
| 12:00.53 | joepublic | you'd probably have to time travel back before everyone used nat |
| 12:01.02 | Haohmaru | kats99 dcc requires at least one side to have opened the right TCP ports |
| 12:01.22 | Wulf | kats99: I assume you're behind a nat router. Your client sends its own ip address which is a private address. The recipient will try to connect to that address, which fails. |
| 12:01.34 | Haohmaru | if there's a router in front of it, or sumfin similar, it might be blocking them ports |
| 12:01.36 | kats99 | I don't use a router |
| 12:01.46 | Wulf | kats99: okay, you're behind ipv6. Maybe that is a problem. |
| 12:01.51 | kats99 | diogenes_, I'm trying to send a file through dcc |
| 12:01.53 | Wulf | kats99: try to send me something |
| 12:02.02 | joepublic | and your friend? no router as well? |
| 12:02.08 | kats99 | nope. We both use hotspot |
| 12:02.14 | kats99 | ok wulf |
| 12:02.19 | Wulf | kats99: are you both on the same network? |
| 12:02.40 | kats99 | no |
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| 12:02.45 | joepublic | :: picard hand to forehead.jpg :: |
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| 12:03.03 | Haohmaru | kats99 what does your dcc command look like? |
| 12:03.09 | Haohmaru | and which IRC client do you use |
| 12:03.15 | kats99 | hexchat |
| 12:03.26 | Wulf | DCC SEND from kats99 [192.168.43.145 port 1234] |
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| 12:03.39 | Haohmaru | hexchat is dumb and does not let you do DCC on an IP address directly |
| 12:03.41 | kats99 | Haohmaru, /dcc send username |
| 12:03.41 | Wulf | kats99: so that's a private ip address. No way I can cannect to it! |
| 12:03.58 | joepublic | you'd probably have to time travel back before everyone used nat |
| 12:04.07 | Haohmaru | kats99 okay, you need to be in the same IRC network |
| 12:04.20 | adikt | dcc uses port 59 by default but you can change it as well |
| 12:04.32 | Haohmaru | also, if one of you has pimped up hostname (cloak or whatever) it might not work too |
| 12:04.35 | adikt | ./dcc send <filename> <ip> <port> |
| 12:04.37 | kats99 | joepublic, We're just trying to have some fun |
| 12:05.08 | kats99 | now yeah if i type ip it says error 17 file exists |
| 12:05.16 | adikt | i'd imagine joepublic is right though.. a standard comcast router probably blocks dcc by default |
| 12:05.29 | adikt | you'd have to figure out how to unblock that in the firewall settings for your modem |
| 12:05.33 | wwilliam | I have mounted a remote ftp share using sshfs if i use filezilla to transfer i get very good speeds but if i cp using sshfs the transfer decreases condiderably, is there an option in sshfs than can make my transfers faster? |
| 12:05.37 | wwilliam | Thank you. |
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| 12:06.05 | kats99 | I'll completely disable the firewall for now |
| 12:06.15 | wwilliam | sorry wrong channel. |
| 12:06.40 | kats99 | wwiliam, me? |
| 12:07.02 | adikt | kats99, it's worth it to just try something like port 21 (default for ftp; which should be open) |
| 12:07.13 | Wulf | kats99: try to tell your client to use ipv6 for dcc and open a specific tcp port for dcc. |
| 12:07.17 | adikt | or to just open the port 59 itself in the firewall setting |
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| 12:07.25 | adikt | versus disabling the entire firewall |
| 12:07.34 | Wulf | adikt: 59? that's a privileged port. That makes no sense. |
| 12:07.46 | Wulf | adikt: and as you can see above, the client tried port 1234. |
| 12:07.50 | kats99 | I actually disabled the firewall so |
| 12:08.01 | adikt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Client-to-Client |
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| 12:08.36 | Wulf | kats99: your firewall is still enabled. At least on ipv6. |
| 12:09.05 | kats99 | how do i disable for ipv6. |
| 12:09.38 | Wulf | kats99: I don't know your network setup. So, no idea. |
| 12:09.50 | Wulf | kats99: might be outside your control. |
| 12:09.54 | kats99 | ok |
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| 12:10.31 | kats99 | Wulf, Is it possible for you to send me something? |
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| 12:13.10 | joepublic | that's literally a no |
| 12:14.08 | kats99 | :( |
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| 12:19.53 | ratrace | mspe: personally I don't care, wouldn't be caught dead using Windows. That was just a recommendation for wwilliam to try out. :) |
| 12:20.37 | han-solo | sends ratrace to a island, and the only way to get out of that island is to use winxp |
| 12:21.00 | han-solo | airdrops a winxp |
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| 12:21.58 | terr | I checked /etc/resolv.conf and blah/system-connections/blah and the connection is correct - there is NO IP ADDRESS... and everything looks correct. Why won't service networking start work? |
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| 12:22.36 | han-solo | what does `journalctl -xe -u networking` say ? |
| 12:23.02 | han-solo | hrm, maybe `systemctl status networking` is enought |
| 12:23.11 | ratrace | or just journalctl -n 30 :) |
| 12:23.16 | ratrace | (for example) |
| 12:23.39 | han-solo | or that |
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| 12:24.57 | ratrace | I'd recommend actually using just -e . -x is a lot of noise which is rarely needed, so I'd start with -e, optionally use -x . thing is, using -u makes sense only if the service is started okay and is logging. -u won't show logs by systemd about failed service startup. |
| 12:25.32 | ratrace | (unless service started, found an error, logged, and exited, which is different from not starting at all) |
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| 12:26.57 | terr | journLCTL... no entries |
| 12:27.33 | ratrace | terr: for which flags? |
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| 12:29.10 | terr | says good news. However journal has been rotated |
| 12:29.21 | Wulf | kats99: trying. Got a request? |
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| 12:29.52 | kats99 | failed |
| 12:29.52 | ratrace | terr: what on earth are you talking about? please pastebin the output of journalctl -n 50 --no-pager |
| 12:30.00 | Wulf | kats99: failed how/why? |
| 12:30.22 | kats99 | I wouldn't be knowing |
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| 12:30.40 | Wulf | kats99: what ip address/port did you client show? |
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| 12:30.56 | kats99 | lemme check |
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| 12:31.12 | terr | I can't - network is down ;-) |
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| 12:31.31 | kats99 | 0.0.0.2 : 7771 |
| 12:31.39 | Wulf | huh. That's clearly nonsense. |
| 12:31.52 | ratrace | terr: take a picture with your phone then |
| 12:32.52 | Wulf | kats99: but that's a problem with your client. I tried to send myself something, and that works. |
| 12:32.54 | terr | let me try... |
| 12:33.26 | terr | okay - it has made a request to 192.168.0.1 which failed because the network is down |
| 12:33.31 | kats99 | How would you suggest me to configure it? |
| 12:33.34 | Wulf | :Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf PRIVMSG foo^bar :DCC SEND nanobots.png XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX 7771 49929 |
| 12:34.26 | kats99 | I received a ctcp from you |
| 12:35.54 | terr | ratrace, have got a pic. |
| 12:36.28 | terr | can I sent it to the pastebin? |
| 12:36.35 | Wulf | kats99: might be https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1086 |
| 12:36.38 | ratrace | terr: upload it to imgur for example |
| 12:36.56 | terr | I've never used imgur |
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| 12:37.51 | terr | I see what might be the problem: Reject scan trigger since one is already pending |
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| 12:38.03 | kats99 | well ipv4 worked for him tho. |
| 12:38.19 | ratrace | terr: good luck then. |
| 12:38.46 | terr | well - I have no idea how to clear out that pening one nor how it got there. |
| 12:39.07 | terr | everything has been runing for weeks. |
| 12:39.20 | terr | suddenly poof |
| 12:39.35 | Wulf | kats99: it's really time people fixed their ipv6. |
| 12:39.40 | terr | is there a daemon I can just kill? |
| 12:40.55 | kats99 | yes. disable IPv6 because my vpn doesn't support it.. |
| 12:41.04 | Wulf | no, fix it! ;-) |
| 12:41.48 | kats99 | ye |
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| 14:16.43 | BazookaTooth | OS-66780: wrong channel |
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| 14:19.26 | annadane | ruh-roh, raggy |
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| 14:19.35 | OS-66780 | yes |
| 14:22.51 | JyZyXEL | im trying to run 'update-grub' in a chroot but it just freezes and outputs nothing.. has anyone encountered and solved this? |
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| 14:51.23 | hat4 | hey |
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| 14:57.13 | annadane | note to self, ignore 'hi' |
| 14:58.06 | dvs | That's why I say "hi". Less work for us! |
| 14:58.21 | annadane | 'hi' is usually followed by 'leave' |
| 14:58.31 | annadane | hi question mark, i will respond to |
| 14:58.54 | dvs | you said hi! |
| 14:59.06 | annadane | mission accomplished |
| 15:00.58 | wMw | lol |
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| 15:27.16 | joepublic | hi |
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| 15:35.35 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Still there? |
| 15:35.41 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: yeah |
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| 15:40.41 | jhutchins_wk | You should not be able to update/install grub in a chroot. |
| 15:41.19 | jhutchins_wk | You should do that in the host session, which should allow you to set the chroot up as a boot option. |
| 15:41.45 | greycat | If that were actually true, it would be disastrous. "boot rescue media, mount your root file system, chroot into it, and run update-grub" is a staple. |
| 15:42.12 | JyZyXEL | yeah i've done update-grub from grml live-cd many many times |
| 15:42.47 | JyZyXEL | after chrooting to my local system, that is |
| 15:42.50 | BazookaTooth | repairing grub from a chroot is a fairly common thing |
| 15:44.03 | ws2k3 | does anyone know if there is a http benchmark tool that can execute javascript? so fully load a page to simulate real traffic? |
| 15:44.04 | BazookaTooth | JyZyXEL: btw only time my update-grub ever hangs is related to os-prober |
| 15:44.20 | jhutchins_wk | You're right, I'm thinking of another scenario. |
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| 15:45.21 | JyZyXEL | BazookaTooth: i don't have os-prober installed |
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| 15:47.08 | JyZyXEL | i migrated my current system onto a new SSD and trying to make it bootable from my currently running system via chroot |
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| 15:47.51 | Release_ | greetz, i was wondering what could cause the bash history file dissapear |
| 15:48.10 | Release_ | i use to have it in home directory for user |
| 15:48.17 | greycat | the rm(1) and unlink(1) commands are good candidates |
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| 15:52.32 | ritmo | Hey all. Anyone know why i could leak IPV6 when using a VPN? I changed my DNS settings and everything and when i go to browserleaks.com everything is perfect except that it still shows austrian IP address.. I ignored IPV6 in the network settings for my connection |
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| 15:53.59 | BazookaTooth | JyZyXEL: if the grub.cfg on the ssd is the same, isn't that likely why it's hanging? |
| 15:54.02 | horseshoecrab | anyone familiar with the festival package? this used to have some sort of init script or service file but it seems to have disappeared and im not sure how to start it "properly" ? |
| 15:54.17 | ritmo | Or maybe an easier question: How do you disable IPV6 in debian? |
| 15:54.44 | JyZyXEL | BazookaTooth: the chroot doesn't have a grub.cfg yet |
| 15:55.13 | petn-randall | horseshoecrab: Is a service file or init script listed in `dpkg -L festival`? |
| 15:55.36 | JyZyXEL | and the hosts /boot/ is only mounted at the host and not binded inside chroot |
| 15:56.23 | BazookaTooth | JyZyXEL: not sure about doing that from debian. done it from arch often but using a different method |
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| 15:56.58 | horseshoecrab | petn-randall: aah good thinking. looks like its in examples and i may need to futz it. |
| 15:57.15 | horseshoecrab | thanks for being patient with someone that should really have thought about that. :| |
| 15:57.48 | petn-randall | horseshoecrab: Many tools ship with a systemd unit that is just disabled by default. |
| 15:58.33 | horseshoecrab | i think this may be more of a case of it being totally systemd ignorant - this looks like sysv to me |
| 15:58.55 | horseshoecrab | it is also *shame* the case that this may be a bit of a frankendebian - but i am big and ugly enough to deal with that. |
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| 15:59.33 | JordiGH | I installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer and now I have comic sans. Remving ttf-mscorefonts-installer has not gotten rid of the fonts it installed. How do I get rid of them? |
| 15:59.39 | JyZyXEL | grub-probe is claiming "WARNING: Device /dev/nvme0n1 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds." |
| 15:59.43 | JyZyXEL | for every device i have |
| 16:01.07 | JyZyXEL | doesn't work in the chroot but works in the host |
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| 16:01.37 | JyZyXEL | "udev database", that's a new concept to me, how do i carry that over to the chroot? |
| 16:01.41 | BazookaTooth | JyZyXEL: i wouldn't fight with the chroot. you can try adding os-prober on the current system and let it add the ssd boot. then redo grub from the ssd |
| 16:03.23 | JyZyXEL | BazookaTooth: hmm yeah, i can just generate the initrd in chroot and add it to my hosts grub configuration |
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| 16:03.52 | JyZyXEL | and do the rest once i got it booted up |
| 16:04.02 | BazookaTooth | same result yeah |
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| 16:05.01 | JyZyXEL | yeah that's an acceptable solution, thank you |
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| 16:15.08 | karlpinc | JordiGH: You probably want to "purge" not just "remove". Dunno |
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| 16:15.33 | JordiGH | Yeah, tried that too, still have comic sans. |
| 16:15.36 | JordiGH | Wait, I think. |
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| 16:16.27 | karlpinc | JordiGH: Possibly restart the font server? |
| 16:16.34 | JordiGH | How do I test this? On OpenBSD websites? |
| 16:16.57 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, I know, lobste.rs uses comic sans for its openbsd users. |
| 16:17.51 | JordiGH | Yeah, okay, it's gone. |
| 16:18.02 | JordiGH | No comics sans here: https://lobste.rs/hats |
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| 16:49.59 | ritmo | Guys, i read a lot online about people having troubles with OpenVPN. A lot complain about dropping connection especially when torrenting. Does anyone also have that experience? |
| 16:50.26 | ritmo | I had it on Ubuntu/Debian, different networks, different laptops, different VPN providers.. |
| 16:50.34 | ritmo | Seems to be a OpenVPN thing at this point |
| 16:51.03 | g38 | hello. I have an ifup@eth0.service in my systemd (output by "systemctl"). I see in /lib/systemd/system that I have a generic ifup@.service file. So I assume Debian finds somewhere a list of interfaces x,y,z and creates services ifup@x.service, ifup@y.service, ifup@z.service. Question: where is this list of interfaces? And how can I get an ifup@eth0:0.service service for my eth0:0 interface? |
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| 16:52.10 | jelly | g38: generated from /etc/network/interfaces config file, most likely |
| 16:52.19 | Katana_Steel | ritmo: might be annecdotal but, I have no issues with my openvpn setup (however I'm using tcp) |
| 16:52.32 | ritmo | I also always use TCP connections |
| 16:52.45 | ritmo | But after a couple of miunutes i always drop connection |
| 16:52.46 | g38 | jelly, well my /etc/network/interfaces file does contain eth0:0, but I have no ifup@eth0:0.service and eth0:0 is not brought up on boot |
| 16:53.12 | jelly | g38: is there a matching auto eth0:0 line? |
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| 16:53.24 | g38 | jelly, yes, and also allow-hotplug |
| 16:53.42 | jelly | g38: you shouldn't have both auto an allow-hotplug |
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| 16:54.15 | jelly | auto is stronger, if you want it pick that and comment out or remove allow-hotplug eth0:0 |
| 16:54.21 | g38 | jelly, well I've tried without allow-hotplug too (but with auto), it behaved the same |
| 16:54.25 | Katana_Steel | ritmo: https://dpaste.org/u9O9 |
| 16:54.52 | Katana_Steel | like that in the client/server conf? |
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| 16:55.07 | jelly | g38: what does "ifup --no-act eth0:0" say if you run it as root |
| 16:55.22 | CombatVet | do you think p7zip (7zip) is going anywhere? im thinking about using it for a long-term archiving, just afraid of not being able to open it 10+ years from now lol |
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| 16:55.41 | g38 | jelly, just after boot (so that eth0:0 is not up), it says "ifup: interface eth0:0 already configured" |
| 16:55.54 | jelly | g38: do you see the alias ip address in "ip a", regardless of services that exist or don't exist? |
| 16:56.09 | g38 | jelly, I don't |
| 16:56.22 | ritmo | Katana_Steel: idk, when i sudo openvpn i always use tcp files to connect that i download of my providers website |
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| 16:57.20 | jhutchins_wk | !openvpn |
| 16:57.20 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see https://bugs.debian.org/785200 (fixed at openvpn 2.3.4-5+deb8u1, ask me about <spu>). https://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net. See also <easy-rsa>. |
| 16:57.35 | jelly | g38: patsebin your interfaces file and output of "ip a" and "ifquery --state -a", preferably in a single pastebin entry |
| 16:57.37 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:57.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:02.03 | g38 | jelly, ok I will. just a note: after removing the auto-hotplug line and rebooting, "ifup --no-act eth0:0" does work |
| 17:03.17 | mms_ | I have tried nonfree iso for debian install but they also do not really work beyond main menu. the display for graphical install shows thick blurred lines. |
| 17:03.27 | dvs | auto-hotplug? |
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| 17:04.25 | karlpinc | mms_: How new is this hardware? |
| 17:05.03 | mms_ | karlpinc: msi x370 gaming pro with ryzen 5 2400g and acer display kg221q |
| 17:05.17 | AndreasLutro | any idea when kernel 5.5 might make it into buster backports? |
| 17:05.33 | mms_ | I got it recently but I think it was released 2 years ago |
| 17:05.52 | g38 | dvs, sorry I meant allow-hotplug |
| 17:06.47 | g38 | ok here it is http://paste.debian.net/1135618/ executed in a fresh state after boot. I can bring eth0:0 up but it is not brought up automatically, I don't understand why |
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| 17:07.19 | mms_ | karlpinc: I have even tried debian official iso |
| 17:08.01 | dvs | g38, you have both "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0". You only need one. |
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| 17:08.15 | dvs | g38, that's probably not the problem though. |
| 17:08.32 | mms_ | I made usb from it |
| 17:08.34 | mms_ | using rufus |
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| 17:10.52 | karlpinc | mms_: So how new is it? |
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| 17:13.21 | dvs | karlpinc, Ryzen 5 2400 is last generation but I don't think the 4.19 kernel can handle it. |
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| 17:13.41 | mms_ | karlpinc: 2 months |
| 17:14.39 | mms_ | karlpinc: the usb device is not showing up in explorer so will see if I can parition it using linux |
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| 17:15.50 | mms_ | its detecting fine in linux |
| 17:16.01 | jelly | mms_: rufus can mess up debian-installer image |
| 17:16.17 | mms_ | jelly: let me do it again then |
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| 17:16.34 | jelly | write the image directly onto the whole usb stick (you will lose any data on it already) |
| 17:16.34 | mms_ | i tried multiple times already both iso and dd but same issue |
| 17:16.51 | jelly | which OS are you using to write to the usb? |
| 17:17.29 | mms_ | jelly: win 10 |
| 17:17.37 | jelly | !win32diskimager |
| 17:17.37 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 17:17.44 | jelly | ^ try using that. |
| 17:17.54 | mms_ | win32 can do 64 bit ? |
| 17:18.12 | jelly | ignore the name of the utility. |
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| 17:18.36 | dvs | of course 32-bit program can run in 64-bit Windows |
| 17:18.37 | mms_ | ok |
| 17:18.39 | jelly | your OS has (lots and lots of) compatibility with 32bit windows apps. |
| 17:18.42 | mms_ | let me try and shall get back |
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| 17:21.23 | jelly | AndreasLutro: probably never, 5.4 is current long-term kernel and current testing branch, bullseye, is likely to end up using a longterm kernel; if, say. 5.8 is declared longterm as well, then that one will probably enter testing. Only packages that are in testing can be used to make stable-backports bust-backports right now) |
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| 17:22.07 | jelly | mms_: be careful, that thing is a bit dumb and might happily overwrite the beginning of your hard disk if you tell it to |
| 17:23.38 | jelly | g38: so manual ifup works, good! Now also comment out allow-hotplug for eth0, reboot and see if that changes things |
| 17:24.04 | jelly | oh, dvs already said that, sorry |
| 17:24.25 | dvs | grumble, grumble, grumble. |
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| 17:24.50 | g38 | jelly, dvs, the problem is that when I remove allow-hotplug for eth0, then on boot eth0 is not brought up at all. Maybe this has to do with the fact that I am using a variant of Debian? (namely Raspbian) very strange |
| 17:25.22 | g38 | but I'll try again |
| 17:25.37 | dvs | g38, but you leave the "auto eth0" in? |
| 17:26.19 | karlpinc | mms_: (You'll probably want to use the unofficial debian iso with non-free firmware included.) |
| 17:26.33 | g38 | now I've just done a "systemctl daemon-reload" and the system doesn't get eth0 on boot any more. so maybe it's time to remove allow-hotplug and then it will work again :) let me try. |
| 17:26.37 | g38 | dvs, yes I always left it |
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| 17:27.48 | jelly | g38: oh fuck. Your hardware does weird things with MAC address at boot IIRC and I don't know how any of that works precisely. Use the correct channel for your OS, #raspbian or the hw platform channel, #raspberrypi |
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| 17:28.40 | jelly | I assumed you were running actual Debian, sorry. |
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| 17:31.13 | g38 | jelly, ok I assumed the basics were the same, sorry. thanks for your help. |
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| 17:42.09 | frontrunnerrr | hello, who can help with nickname verification ? |
| 17:42.30 | greycat | IRC commands have a / at the beginning. Not in the middle. |
| 17:42.35 | greycat | /msg nickserv blah blah |
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| 17:42.42 | greycat | not msg /nickserv blah blah |
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| 17:44.37 | mms_ | using cfdisk I choose 87 type for ntfs volume |
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| 17:44.51 | frontrunnerrr | thanks... |
| 17:45.10 | mms_ | windows is not loading it any more |
| 17:47.10 | mms_ | windows not showing usb any more in explorer |
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| 17:48.44 | noahmg123 | iwlwifi firmware keeps crashing on boot for me. I was running an unstable release of Debian but now stable doesn't even work, so I'm worried I fucked my card. |
| 17:50.02 | dvs | mms_, why do you have an ntfs volume on your USB drive? |
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| 17:52.26 | mms_ | dvs: I used now vfat |
| 17:53.01 | mms_ | dvs: did not remember but vfat is not showing fine in df and auto mounting but still not mounting in windows |
| 17:53.35 | mms_ | dvs: I mean linux now mounts fine but windows still not showing |
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| 17:55.18 | jelly | they're the same except when they aren't, and nuances in the boot process are things that are often modified on weird platforms |
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| 17:55.40 | jelly | oh, they're gone |
| 17:55.55 | mms_ | dvs: seems some issue with usb now will see if some how fdisk etc. can fix it. |
| 17:56.09 | mms_ | dvs: linux can mount fine but not windows |
| 17:56.27 | dvs | mms_, it still begs the question why is there a windows partition on the USB drive. |
| 17:56.44 | mms_ | I am not having small 256mb usb so writing deb 7 network boot to it and see if it can help |
| 17:57.10 | mms_ | dvs: I thought from windows using win32 disk imager I will put iso on it |
| 17:57.31 | dvs | mms_, it does |
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| 17:57.57 | dvs | mms_, you specify the iso file and the USB drive. |
| 17:57.59 | mms_ | dvs: now I did on small disk let me see if can help |
| 17:58.24 | mms_ | large usb not detecting any more well it shows in device manager but not in explorer |
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| 18:07.24 | jelly | FSF-GNU-Fan | FSF-GNU-Soldier : hey, you seem to have 2 connections from the same IP. Dunno if it's intentional or not, and there's no real problem if it is, but maybe you want to check things out on your end |
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| 18:15.57 | mms_ | jelly: neither wheezy net boot works ...same display issue no matter what iso |
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| 18:19.11 | mms_ | from my old mobo it was installed fine and it also boots fine now in new mobo but its not installing |
| 18:19.50 | mms_ | ok I am confused do not remember |
| 18:20.04 | mms_ | currently its giving incorrect display |
| 18:20.19 | mms_ | its just blurred thick lines |
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| 18:21.38 | mms_ | it shows main menu fine but on selection does not show fine. if i use debian installer it shows few more screens but then fails as could not mount cdrom |
| 18:22.15 | mms_ | I am doing usb boot not sure what is the issue |
| 18:22.31 | dvs | mms_, could not mount cdrom usually means that the USB was not written to properly. |
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| 18:22.59 | mms_ | dvs: ok but tried multiple pen drive and two programns |
| 18:23.24 | mms_ | and different iso too and debian live too was tried |
| 18:23.29 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: You don't partition or format a boot device, you just write the image to it. |
| 18:23.31 | mms_ | all same issue |
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| 18:23.51 | mms_ | jhutchins_wk: but on writing to it should clear it out right ? |
| 18:24.05 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: If you want windows to see a filesystem on the device you need to format it. |
| 18:24.16 | mms_ | jhutchins_wk: ok |
| 18:24.33 | jhutchins_wk | That is not how you make a boot device though. |
| 18:24.44 | mms_ | let me just clear things on it in linux cfdisk and make it all free space and try to put image on it and see |
| 18:24.48 | dvs | mms_, but if you don't need to format it if you want to write the ISO to it for installing. |
| 18:25.13 | jhutchins_wk | mms_: It should not matter, writing a valid image will overwrite the partition table. |
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| 18:27.32 | mms_ | jhutchins_wk: :-) |
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| 18:29.15 | bffls | i need help with rooting my android phone |
| 18:29.25 | mms_ | will give last try and hit bed |
| 18:29.52 | dvs | bffls, what can we do about that? |
| 18:29.55 | bffls | i know it has to be script related |
| 18:30.11 | bffls | fucking tell me what i am doing wrong |
| 18:30.15 | bffls | idk |
| 18:30.40 | bffls | im in parrot os |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | !parrot |
| 18:30.45 | dpkg | Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages https://docs.parrotlinux.org/community. Ask me about <based on debian> and <parrot-overnight>. If you are new to linux, try using Debian: http://www.debian.org. |
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| 18:35.09 | greycat | Why is asound.conf so fucking HARD? |
| 18:36.03 | Kobaz | cuz |
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| 18:42.09 | greycat | OK, I think I got it... but I have to play back the resulting file with sox's "play" instead of alsa's "aplay" so I don't get sped up and sound like a cartoon character. |
| 18:42.22 | Kobaz | sound in linux just, is fscked |
| 18:42.34 | Kobaz | i don't know if it's better or worse from 1990 |
| 18:42.35 | greycat | How the fuck can this shit not just WORK by default and be so completely ludicrously difficult to configure? |
| 18:43.01 | Kobaz | i think it was better before all these layers... where you just build the emu101k module and then it just works |
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| 18:43.33 | greycat | I was given a pair of speakers and a USB webcam/microphone thing and told "good luck", basically. |
| 18:43.49 | vorbis_xtr4 | greycat just curious.. is there any reason you're using alsamixer vs pavucontrol ? |
| 18:43.50 | BazookaTooth | greycat: that's the samplerate bug but i only ever noticed that on pulse |
| 18:44.19 | greycat | Yes, there's an excellent reason: I'm not running pulseaudio. Hell, I wasn't even running ALSA before today, because this is the work machine and I never had audio hardware before now. |
| 18:44.27 | jelly | ,v sweethome3d |
| 18:44.29 | judd | Package: sweethome3d on amd64 -- jessie: 4.5+dfsg-3; stretch: 5.3+dfsg-2; buster: 6.1.2+dfsg-2; bullseye: 6.2+dfsg-1; sid: 6.2+dfsg-1 |
| 18:44.30 | vorbis_xtr4 | gotcha |
| 18:44.39 | BazookaTooth | yeah i figured there was no pulse |
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| 18:45.18 | vorbis_xtr4 | anything preventing you from running pulse? |
| 18:45.25 | BazookaTooth | one of the tricks is to set all the devices to 44k but that will likely annoy you further heh |
| 18:45.26 | jelly | greycat: by now, it works if you don't alsa directly and pulseaudio instead |
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| 18:45.40 | greycat | jelly: ugh. So now I have to learn a whole new batch of stuff... |
| 18:45.41 | vorbis_xtr4 | if you're just trying to "get it to work" .. pavu control might be the easier solution |
| 18:45.54 | BazookaTooth | jelly: nope. still get samplerate problems sometimes |
| 18:46.22 | jelly | greycat: and use PA tools to route inputs and output, pavucontrol is reasonably nice EXCEPT the app has to be actively using an input or output for you to be able to tune the volume |
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| 18:47.08 | vorbis_xtr4 | +1 for pavu control, greycat .. for nothign else than your growing headache |
| 18:47.27 | BazookaTooth | actually i can recreate one right now by playing something in smplayer and opening the sound settings in cinnamon and the samplerate will change until i restart pulse |
| 18:47.29 | vorbis_xtr4 | if* |
| 18:47.37 | greycat | OK, moving /etc/asound.conf to /etc/asound.conf.bak and starting all over from scratch |
| 18:47.48 | lupulo | jelly, is from jellycat? |
| 18:47.54 | jelly | nope, just jelly |
| 18:48.11 | jelly | no cats, no fishes |
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| 18:48.31 | lupulo | https://www.jellycat.com/images/core/logo_hover.png |
| 18:48.58 | greycat | pulseaudio wants to install dbus-user-session... how... doesn't that sound kinda important? how was that not already...? |
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| 18:50.03 | vorbis_xtr4 | what distro/version? |
| 18:50.07 | jelly | greycat: I guess you avoid most of the per-user-session crap til now |
| 18:50.11 | greycat | Debian 10 |
| 18:50.18 | jelly | avoided* |
| 18:51.08 | jelly | and technically you can still avoid that one, but then you'd need to start pulseaudio manually at login or startx time |
| 18:51.46 | vorbis_xtr4 | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/SystemWide/ |
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| 18:51.53 | vorbis_xtr4 | possible helpful |
| 18:52.02 | jelly | or use it as a global service (don't use the global service) |
| 18:52.17 | greycat | I'm on https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio right now and it seems to assume I have a Desktop Environment, and doesn't talk about beginner steps very much. |
| 18:52.42 | vorbis_xtr4 | if you don't have a desktop env, it probably assumes you don't need beginner steps :] |
| 18:52.54 | vorbis_xtr4 | but check that link, it may proove helpful |
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| 18:53.04 | BazookaTooth | ^ arch mentality |
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| 18:53.27 | vorbis_xtr4 | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/ |
| 18:53.35 | jelly | greycat: well, you can start your X if you X, start an alsa app, and see if pa starts automagically |
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| 18:53.59 | jelly | if it does you don't _have_ to figure out how or why |
| 18:54.20 | vorbis_xtr4 | good point |
| 18:54.28 | jelly | BazookaTooth: what is "arch mentality" |
| 18:55.04 | Sc0utonLinux | Hello, very noob question: if I have an intel i7 which distro architechture do I need to download ? for USB install media ? |
| 18:55.30 | greycat | OK, I ran "pulseaudio --start" in one of my terminals (since I didn't want to log out and back in), started pavucontrol in another terminal, and ran "aplay foo.wav" in the first terminal, and it seemed to work for playback. Now to try testing recording. |
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| 18:55.42 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: amd64. Yes. |
| 18:56.09 | greycat | Yes, it seemed to record without throwing incomprehensible errors. |
| 18:56.15 | BazookaTooth | either having fun figuring out the stuff not explained in a wiki entry, or trying to refrain from tossing your computer out of a window |
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| 18:56.45 | jelly | greycat: it took like 5-8 years to get that to mostly work by default :-) |
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| 18:56.52 | greycat | Yay, I guess. |
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| 18:57.44 | Sc0utonLinux | jelly, thx |
| 18:57.54 | vorbis_xtr4 | grats, graycat |
| 18:58.27 | Sc0utonLinux | jelly, what i find confusing is that its an intel cpu and not amd :/ |
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| 18:59.01 | greycat | I wonder what I have to put in my dot files, if anything, to make it work when I next login and/or reboot. Oh well. Not going to cross that bridge today. |
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| 18:59.04 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: it's still amd64. |
| 18:59.23 | jelly | they invented it first |
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| 18:59.49 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: if you have a laptop with wifi, or say an AMD or Intel GPU, you'll probably benefit from installing from an "unofficial" image with firmware included |
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| 18:59.54 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 18:59.54 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:02.21 | greycat | Hmm... I'm going to pre-emptively restart google-chrome, though. Just in case. |
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| 19:03.22 | Sc0utonLinux | jelly, thx do you recommend a specific window manager ? im thinking gnome or cinnamon.. im still a noob so Im unsure< |
| 19:03.50 | jelly | greycat: yes, do that. Browsers typically detect running PA at start |
| 19:04.14 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: try many, see what you like. |
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| 19:04.52 | jelly | spend at least a week or two with each |
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| 19:07.21 | lupulo | gsettings is connected to dbus? |
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| 19:11.28 | Sc0utonLinux | jelly, just out of interest whats your personal favourite ? |
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| 19:13.03 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: I don't have one. I have a set of feature requirements, and right now KDE and xfce are good enough so I use one of those. |
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| 19:16.56 | jelly | 1) 2d grid workspaces' Pager (like in fvwm) 2) remembering placement of apps 3) ability to (re)move top/bottom panels (move to on right edge), and some other things that are nice (like panel swallowing X apps and wmaker/*step applets) |
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| 19:17.48 | jelly | 5) visible systray |
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| 19:19.39 | jelly | 6) close window button on top right, window prefs on top left, like Windows 2000 had. And so on. |
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| 19:21.43 | pasiz | kde is quite nice and easily customizable, but memory hoag |
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| 19:21.58 | pasiz | -a |
| 19:22.42 | lupulo | enlightenment is cool |
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| 19:23.38 | pasiz | never tried to measure temperature of window manager. Does normal body temp sensor on laptop fan enough? |
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| 19:24.00 | lupulo | pasiz, https://www.enlightenment.org/ |
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| 19:25.49 | pasiz | lupulo: i used in in 1998 to some years, i use i3 on my desktop |
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| 19:29.29 | lupulo | pasiz, wow |
| 19:29.55 | lupulo | pasiz, i first discovered emacs and after enlightenment :-) |
| 19:30.26 | lupulo | my first distro at university was caldera Linux with gnome |
| 19:30.39 | lupulo | at home Suse with KDE |
| 19:31.07 | lupulo | X was my first option :-) |
| 19:31.28 | pasiz | framebuffer is my first graphics in linux |
| 19:31.48 | pasiz | before that, you could imagine ;) |
| 19:32.54 | Sc0utonLinux | jelly, the version you linked me keeps trying to mount stuff from cdrom and then fails are you sure that was a good iso ? |
| 19:34.10 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: on installer? |
| 19:34.28 | lupulo | pasiz, before the game tron sure. |
| 19:34.29 | pasiz | or how it's mounting stuff |
| 19:35.01 | Sc0utonLinux | pasiz, yes |
| 19:35.38 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: you have the non-free firmware install iso written to usb |
| 19:36.03 | Sc0utonLinux | yes |
| 19:36.09 | Sc0utonLinux | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:36.12 | pasiz | i installed one debian from it yesterday, without problems |
| 19:36.32 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: you used dd to write it? |
| 19:36.40 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: how did you write the usb? |
| 19:36.58 | Sc0utonLinux | etcher .. it boots fine just in the installation options |
| 19:37.07 | lupulo | pasiz, do you use elinks from framebuffer? |
| 19:37.07 | Sc0utonLinux | I chose the EDU version maybe that was wrong .,,, |
| 19:37.08 | jelly | etcher messes up the image. |
| 19:37.12 | pasiz | what options? |
| 19:37.16 | pasiz | lupulo: links |
| 19:37.25 | karlpinc | Sc0utonLinux: You probably don't want the edu version. |
| 19:37.25 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: which OS are you creating the usb on? |
| 19:37.43 | karlpinc | Sc0utonLinux: But answer the questions about how you wrote the usb. |
| 19:37.53 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: just install |
| 19:37.59 | pasiz | no edu |
| 19:38.19 | Sc0utonLinux | choose language, access software for blind person, configure the speech synthesiwer, configure the keyboard, detect and mount cdrom , load installer components from cd , change debconf priority, check the cdroms integritym save debug logsm excute a shell abort the installation |
| 19:38.22 | jelly | etcher, rufus, unetbootin, they all do things that make debian-installer be very confused about where its files are |
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| 19:39.08 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: what you use to write the usb? |
| 19:39.09 | Sc0utonLinux | I am on Zorin its based of ubuntu lts 18.04 i believe |
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| 19:39.33 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: and you used what binary on zorin |
| 19:39.33 | Sc0utonLinux | i used etcher, I can use something else and try again if you have a recommendation |
| 19:39.40 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: use dd |
| 19:40.07 | pasiz | like "dd if=/path/to/image of=/deb/yourUSB" |
| 19:40.10 | pasiz | dev |
| 19:40.32 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: so linux? plug the stick in, find out which /dev/sd? device it is, make sure it's unmounted, and then use a simple "cp blah.so /dev/sdf" as root |
| 19:40.34 | Sc0utonLinux | ok thanks |
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| 19:40.51 | Sc0utonLinux | i will try again :D |
| 19:40.58 | jelly | avoid dd, it can be slow for no good reason |
| 19:41.04 | Sc0utonLinux | and not the EDU version ? |
| 19:41.17 | pasiz | jelly: with bs=reasonable value it isn't |
| 19:41.18 | jelly | if you have internet access just use the netinst |
| 19:41.27 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: no edu |
| 19:41.37 | jelly | pasiz: you did not tell them a command line with bs=reasonable |
| 19:41.50 | jelly | cp will pick a block size on its own. |
| 19:42.03 | Sc0utonLinux | ok ok.. ill re download .. dont i need to format the drive first btw? |
| 19:42.11 | jelly | no, you don't |
| 19:42.24 | jelly | just make sure it's not mounted, before overwriting again |
| 19:42.41 | pasiz | jelly: sorry for confusing, i sometimes assume some understanding of portable computers |
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| 19:43.04 | Sc0utonLinux | im a real noob |
| 19:43.07 | Sc0utonLinux | firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:43.12 | pasiz | Sc0utonLinux: yes |
| 19:43.16 | Sc0utonLinux | thats what im downloading now |
| 19:43.26 | dvs | that's the best one |
| 19:43.29 | pasiz | with dmesg after you plug your usb you could see the device |
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| 19:43.55 | pasiz | to write |
| 19:44.18 | pasiz | and before writing, double check you are writing to right block device |
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| 19:45.01 | Sc0utonLinux | its finished downloading pluging usb now :D |
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| 19:47.11 | twanny796 | . |
| 19:48.03 | dvs | ? |
| 19:48.27 | Sc0utonLinux | ive unmounted and the usb is : /dev/nvme0n1p1 .. im in the directory with the iso so "dd if=firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso of-/dev/nvme0n1p1" correct ? |
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| 19:48.55 | jelly | that's not likely to be usb. |
| 19:49.04 | dvs | that's no USB drive, that a SSD NVMe style |
| 19:49.11 | jelly | that's an ssd partition |
| 19:49.22 | Sc0utonLinux | ups |
| 19:49.22 | greycat | it's not a USB device, and it's a partition, not a disk, and it's of= not of-, and you didn't specify a block size... |
| 19:49.23 | Sc0utonLinux | yes |
| 19:49.31 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: pastebin or screenshot the output of "lsblk" |
| 19:49.50 | Sc0utonLinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.57 | Sc0utonLinux | thats it sorry |
| 19:49.59 | jelly | or figure out the right device from that output yourself, based on size |
| 19:50.02 | dvs | better |
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| 19:50.18 | dvs | but still a bit weary now |
| 19:50.32 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: if nothing sdb* is mounted, just do "cp firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb" |
| 19:50.39 | jelly | (as root) |
| 19:51.07 | dvs | I'd feel better with an fdisk -l list |
| 19:51.19 | jelly | and a sync after that for good measure |
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| 19:56.01 | Sc0utonLinux | so what4s the difference between cp and dd ? |
| 19:56.48 | Sc0utonLinux | CP just copies the content no ? dont i need to set the drive to bootable and so on ? |
| 19:57.02 | greycat | cp chooses a block size that isn't stupidly small |
| 19:57.11 | greycat | dd uses a block size of 512 bytes by default |
| 19:57.29 | dvs | and dd will automatically sync at the end |
| 19:57.36 | greycat | the "content" of the *.iso file is a whole disk image, MBR, partition table, etc. |
| 19:57.44 | jelly | Sc0utonLinux: cp in this case copies the image which has a format and a partition table and bootable flags already in it |
| 19:58.06 | Sc0utonLinux | oh cool |
| 19:58.13 | Sc0utonLinux | thats really clever |
| 19:58.14 | greycat | that's why you copy it to /dev/sdb rather than /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:58.28 | Sc0utonLinux | makes sense |
| 19:58.30 | jelly | no need to do anything else with it |
| 19:59.09 | lupulo | pasiz, was you IT worker before you know Linux? |
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| 19:59.46 | jelly | (in fact the image has like 3 separate ways to be booted, so it works when burned on a cd/dvd, when booted on legacy bios boot, and when booted on an uefi system)( |
| 20:00.50 | jelly | maybe four. I don't know if there's a different way for CDs on UEFI. |
| 20:00.56 | Sc0utonLinux | is that true for all linux distro images or a debian speciality ? |
| 20:01.15 | dvs | debian specifically |
| 20:01.37 | Sc0utonLinux | btw if I want to setup a dm raid it's still just the normal graphical installer right ? or do i need to add an option ? |
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| 20:02.23 | dvs | Sc0utonLinux, the one you have is a text installer by default. |
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| 20:04.28 | Sc0utonLinux | offers "graphical install" as first selection and then "install" ill use install then :) |
| 20:05.30 | Sc0utonLinux | its doing the cdrom searching thing again |
| 20:05.43 | Sc0utonLinux | load cdrom drivers from removable media |
| 20:06.12 | Sc0utonLinux | i selected no... and now it4s going all red again .. installation step failed ect |
| 20:06.25 | Sc0utonLinux | same options as i typed before |
| 20:06.52 | Sc0utonLinux | choose language .... abort the instllation |
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| 20:09.57 | dvs | Sc0utonLinux, why did you pick no to load drivers? |
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| 20:10.23 | Sc0utonLinux | it does it automatically |
| 20:10.30 | Sc0utonLinux | ill restart |
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| 20:15.53 | Sc0utonLinux | Its booted: I hit "install" ... - language: english , country: UK , keyboard: French, next screen: 2detect and mount cdrom no common cdrom drive was deteced .. you may need to load .. ect load cdrom drivers from removable media ? yes or no ? |
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| 20:16.43 | dvs | yes |
| 20:17.19 | Sc0utonLinux | wait i think i copied the wrong iso making a new usb |
| 20:17.20 | dvs | Oh, you don't have another disk with drivers, right? |
| 20:17.28 | Sc0utonLinux | i dont |
| 20:17.50 | dvs | what ISO did you copy? |
| 20:18.18 | Sc0utonLinux | firmware 10.30 amd net inst |
| 20:18.30 | dvs | that's correct. |
| 20:18.37 | Sc0utonLinux | now i did debi 10.3.0 qmd netinst |
| 20:18.43 | dvs | that's wrong |
| 20:19.16 | Sc0utonLinux | the firmware one is correct? |
| 20:19.21 | dvs | yes |
| 20:20.32 | Sc0utonLinux | i think it may have been the USB key 32gb that was faulty somehow .. |
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| 20:22.21 | lupulo | jelly, but openbsd only works with dd, not with cp. i don't know why (documentation says it) |
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| 20:25.55 | Sc0utonLinux | ok it was definitly the USB the firmware virsion now works too |
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| 20:38.22 | Sc0utonLinux | Looking very nice so far : now I gotta decide on the window manager |
| 20:38.24 | Sc0utonLinux | hmmm |
| 20:38.42 | Sc0utonLinux | I can install multiple right ? Im wondering which is the most supported .. |
| 20:40.15 | greycat | Yes, you can install as many as you like. One of them will be the "default", and that's selected by update-alternatives. But you can always specify the one you want in your ~/.xsession file, or as an argument to startx. |
| 20:41.04 | annadane | none of them are more or less supported than any other one |
| 20:41.09 | annadane | (but use xfce, it's awesome) |
| 20:41.20 | annadane | (biased) |
| 20:41.26 | greycat | some of them are more popular than others, and therefore get a lot more testing |
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| 20:45.48 | Sc0utonLinux | hehe :) ok |
| 20:46.07 | Sc0utonLinux | greycat, those would be the 3 big ones . kde xfce and gnome ? |
| 20:46.55 | greycat | Those are desktop environments, not just window managers. But yes, I'd say those are the 3 most common user interface choices. |
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| 20:49.29 | sponix2ipfw | Sc0utonLinux: Cinnamon is fairly popular also, not sure where it rates though |
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| 20:49.56 | greycat | cinnamon and mate are forks of gnome from an older version, IIRC |
| 20:50.14 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: Yeah, something to that effect |
| 20:50.26 | Sc0utonLinux | greycat, you can tell that im still just learning.. can't you haha .. im didn't realise there was a difference between a window manager and desktop environment .. |
| 20:51.13 | greycat | A window manager is a lot smaller and simpler. Desktop environments include a window manager plus a whole lot of other stuff that I don't even understand. |
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| 20:52.17 | annadane | if you just want a window manager then you can try fluxbox or openbox |
| 20:52.26 | annadane | or i3 if you don't want to touch the mouse, it's a tiling wm |
| 20:53.03 | annadane | though you may want to at least start with fluxbox, openbox is *just* a blank screen to start (you have to right/middle click on the desktop to start doing anything) |
| 20:53.03 | greycat | fvwm is also quite popular with us old-timers |
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| 20:53.37 | annadane | though what annoys me with fluxbox is you can't actually rearrange windows in the taskbar, which you can (and quickly) with openbox with tint2 |
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| 20:55.06 | annadane | and openbox, well, if you're not editing keybinds with lxhotkey-plugin-openbox, figuring out the syntax for editing keybinds is annoying |
| 20:55.41 | annadane | and usually involves you manually creating .config/openbox and copying everything from /etc/xdg/openbox or whatever it is |
| 20:56.07 | annadane | (but isn't /etc just system wide? it is, but openbox only reads from the user's local files, unless that's just an initial thing) |
| 20:56.16 | annadane | i don't know about it entirely, feel free to experiment |
| 20:56.46 | greycat | typically, if a program has configs in /etc and in $HOME/, the ones in $HOME will override the ones in /etc |
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| 20:58.15 | annadane | it will but i'm not sure that openbox automatically reads the ones from /etc |
| 20:58.19 | annadane | i have to look at it again |
| 20:58.21 | annadane | i might be wrong |
| 20:58.58 | annadane | which is likely considering openbox has reached feature maturity for years, surely it's able to read from /etc |
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| 21:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | Can you bind mount a subdirectory? |
| 21:02.36 | jhutchins_wk | ie mount -o bind /home/fred /home/sue/fred? |
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| 21:23.39 | lwp | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 21:23.48 | p2hc | \l |
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| 21:24.39 | Sc0utonLinux | thanks for all the input and feedback everyone :) |
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| 21:25.30 | Sc0utonLinux | I decided to try out xfce first :) and Debian is now booted :) -- although for some reason my task bar and menus are not on my primary display but on one of the other ones :/ |
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| 21:26.08 | Sc0utonLinux | if anyone has a good tutorial or any advice on what i should start off with, that would be highly apreciated |
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| 21:27.31 | dvs | Sc0utonLinux, I know how to configure the screens in KDE, but not XFCE. |
| 21:28.33 | BazookaTooth | xfce4-settings-manager > display |
| 21:28.36 | Sc0utonLinux | thats a shame screens are ok .. just my panels dont want to budge |
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| 21:30.59 | Sc0utonLinux | Ha HA! found it :) |
| 21:31.06 | annadane | oh good |
| 21:31.16 | annadane | i was worried xfce was so old that it wouldn't let you move stuff across monitors |
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| 21:32.46 | Sc0utonLinux | annadane, is it that old ? :O hasnt been updated much ? |
| 21:35.01 | annadane | the one in stable is like, 5 years old |
| 21:35.12 | annadane | there is a newer version but not in debian stable |
| 21:35.33 | annadane | though the thing with xfce, there aren't major changes between versions, unlike GNOME; it aims for stability |
| 21:35.51 | dvs | and sanity |
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| 21:36.48 | Sc0utonLinux | im liking it very much .. so far it seems super FAST, functional and highly customisable |
| 21:37.09 | Sc0utonLinux | Im hoping I can make it look cool too though :P .. some of the icons remind me of windows 95 currently ... |
| 21:37.18 | annadane | yep. everything else i use feels like i have to fight to use it and "feels" like a desktop, which is bad, i want it to be seamless |
| 21:38.02 | annadane | yeah well you can change the icons, there may be a debian package for more icons (though you can use icons from another desktop on it)... you can also in general see xfce-look.org if you don't like the current stuff |
| 21:38.19 | annadane | note xfce in debian stable can't use gtk3, so you'd have to select from gtk2 theme |
| 21:38.20 | annadane | s |
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| 21:41.37 | jhutchins_wk | lwp: Actual problem appears to be that /home/fred doesn't exist. |
| 21:42.10 | Sc0utonLinux | annadane, if i want gtk3 i need to update my debian to a different version ? |
| 21:42.32 | annadane | there's a newer xfce in testing but i don't necessarily recommend using debian testing |
| 21:42.46 | annadane | the MATE desktop environment is also decent if you want prettier themes |
| 21:42.55 | annadane | although to me personally... blah |
| 21:43.33 | jhutchins_wk | Switching to testing for a theme sounds like a bad idea. |
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| 21:43.55 | dvs | agreed |
| 21:44.00 | jhutchins_wk | I guess if the computer is for looks and not for actually doing things... |
| 21:44.10 | dvs | especially with the time spent installing stable in the first place. |
| 21:44.49 | Sc0utonLinux | I will stay with stable .. was just curious :) |
| 21:44.57 | annadane | wishes fluxbox could do certain things that i want, its themes are indeed very pretty |
| 21:45.31 | Sc0utonLinux | jhutchins_wk, why cant it be both :) look good and do things haha |
| 21:45.34 | annadane | there were more themes in xfce for window decorations but that package got removed in debian 10 lol for whatever reason |
| 21:46.41 | Sc0utonLinux | would you say Mate might be a better trade-off in terms of being prettier but still fast :D ? |
| 21:46.49 | annadane | sure |
| 21:47.02 | annadane | i just think xfce does panels better which is a big reason why i prefer it |
| 21:47.20 | annadane | you can probably make xfce very pretty by using something from the website i linked but i haven't really tried any |
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| 21:47.45 | bambam | always afraid i'm going to mess up my settings if I change window decor or use themes , as don't think there is a 'reset default' option |
| 21:47.53 | annadane | one annoyance with xfce being as old as it is is that the file manager thunar doesn't apply the current theme as the file manager background all the time |
| 21:48.36 | annadane | it does with adwaita-dark, but not other things so you might get all your other things looking a certain way and then thunar is just a white background |
| 21:48.40 | bambam | thunar has no apparent ability to move files to a chosen dir afaict |
| 21:48.56 | Sc0utonLinux | haha |
| 21:49.05 | Sc0utonLinux | so thunar is like an old man :P |
| 21:49.16 | annadane | (speaking of white, we are in 2020, why does firefox STILL flash white when you transition between websites?) |
| 21:49.18 | Sc0utonLinux | to stubborn to change |
| 21:49.37 | jhutchins_wk | xfce mostly stays out of my way. |
| 21:50.19 | Sc0utonLinux | i made a vertical pannel when i add items they are on the side .. i wanted them to seperate vertically ... hmpf |
| 21:50.29 | bambam | if i could write bash regex better maybe it wouldn't matter |
| 21:50.35 | Sc0utonLinux | i mean horozontally |
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| 21:50.48 | annadane | yeah you can't rotate panel item pictures |
| 21:50.55 | annadane | no idea if you can do that in 4.14 |
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| 21:52.09 | annadane | or well, possibly you can, i don't think you can but i've never tried it |
| 21:52.20 | tw | bambam: wouldn't you drag and drop the selected files between two thunar windows? |
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| 21:57.52 | bambam | tw: think i tried that |
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| 22:13.58 | lupulo | pasiz, i remembered mandrake, it was really cool |
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| 22:18.44 | unborn | lupulo: it was, I remember it too... |
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| 22:22.18 | jhutchins | Yeah, but it went down hill. |
| 22:23.02 | jhutchins | You couldn't really use it for servers because they relesed with broken packages, and they let the IRC channel get really nasty. |
| 22:23.58 | jhutchins | The release where dovecot wouldn't even start because the config file format had changed and they hadn't updated it, obcciously hadn't tested was what did it for me. |
| 22:24.53 | JordiGH | Mandriva? |
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| 22:26.51 | dvs | mandrake |
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| 22:34.46 | unborn | jhutchins: yeah I remember those dark days, well that's why I moved to gentoo :D even darker days there however when set up everything was like atomic clocks till new kernel release meh finally loved debian save my life. |
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| 23:41.05 | hmuller | I'm attempting to disable pulseaudio using these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Dynamically_enable.2Fdisable |
| 23:41.56 | hmuller | after following them and rebooting, pulse is still started. Do I need to disable it using systemctl? |
| 23:42.05 | somiaj | just in case there is an xy problem here, why do you want to disable it (vs not install it)? |
| 23:42.09 | somiaj | I mean remove it |
| 23:42.20 | somiaj | you might want to mask the unit, the unit may run off of events |
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| 23:42.32 | hmuller | not removing, just wish to disable for awhile for recording purposes |
| 23:43.00 | somiaj | sound like you just want to stop |
| 23:43.31 | somiaj | Maybe just systemctl servicename stop (should stop it for the current session) |
| 23:43.57 | somiaj | But if you want to disable, I think you want to mask (for some reason I think pulseaudio works as a socket not a service at boot) |
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| 23:47.31 | hmuller | Thx, 'systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.socket' got the job done |
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