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| 01:18.41 | skarecrow- | click at all. |
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| 01:51.37 | McMurdo | Hello I downloaded a password manager using: sudo apt install keepassxc, does that do a check to make the package was signed by the private key of the developer, of if I want to be extra safe, is it best to download, verify, and install it manually? |
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| 02:00.31 | nvz | McMurdo: yes, the package managers verify the signatures automatically and will make you confirm install if you do not have a matching valid signing key for the package |
| 02:00.49 | lwp | McMurdo: if you installed it like you showed, from debian's repositories, it is signed by debian private keys. |
| 02:01.09 | McMurdo | all I did was sudo apt intall keepassxc |
| 02:01.35 | McMurdo | so that means it was signed by debian's private keys, and passed the test? |
| 02:01.45 | nvz | thats all that is require.. apt-get, synaptic, any of the debian package managers would check the signature |
| 02:01.59 | nvz | McMurdo: not necessarily, we'd need more information for that |
| 02:02.12 | nvz | McMurdo: apt policy | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 02:02.32 | Jmabsd | How hard reset an NVMe SSD? |
| 02:02.54 | nvz | McMurdo: (apt policy; apt-key list)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:02.57 | nvz | would be even better |
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| 02:03.46 | McMurdo | I realize you just sent me a link, how do I look that up manually? |
| 02:04.07 | nvz | Jmabsd: I'm still fairly new to ssd, and not sure what you mean by hard reset.. I assume you mean something like a low-level format.. and much like HDDs of the past, such features on SSDs like trimming are typically done by proprietary software specific to the device |
| 02:04.31 | nvz | McMurdo: I didn't send you a link, that command uploaded the output of those commands to a link you can paste here so we can see the output |
| 02:04.39 | Jmabsd | nvz: I think there's an NVMe command for this |
| 02:05.02 | nvz | Jmabsd: not that I'm aware of.. but feel free to ask elsewhere or wait for other response :P |
| 02:05.06 | Jmabsd | Here is a guide for ATA, "As per ATA specification the enhanced security erase (--security-erase-enhanced)" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_state_drive/Memory_cell_clearing |
| 02:05.16 | McMurdo | nvz, well it launched firefox which freaked me out, cause I try to only run Tor |
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| 02:05.38 | nvz | McMurdo: it shouldn't have launched anything.. unless you tried to open the link |
| 02:05.55 | nvz | McMurdo: in which case it probably used www-browser or some such thing.. whatever your default is |
| 02:06.06 | Jmabsd | nvz: you know what, maaaaaaybe in the past you needed to go with manufacturer software |
| 02:06.10 | Jmabsd | but, NVMe has standardized this |
| 02:06.14 | McMurdo | side question, how to I change my default browser to Tor? |
| 02:06.20 | nvz | Jmabsd: it'd be news to me man :D |
| 02:06.32 | Jmabsd | "nvme sanitize: Securely erases all user data on the SSD" https://nvmexpress.org/open-source-nvme-management-utility-nvme-command-line-interface-nvme-cli/ |
| 02:06.38 | nvz | McMurdo: that is a bit of a complex question.. which DE are you using?> |
| 02:06.41 | Jmabsd | nvz: nvme is pretty elaborate. |
| 02:06.55 | nvz | Jmabsd: yeah, again, news to me.. heh.. |
| 02:07.05 | McMurdo | umm, what's the command I have to run to get that info? |
| 02:07.06 | Jmabsd | sure. |
| 02:07.14 | nvz | !which de |
| 02:07.14 | dpkg | To figure out which Desktop Environment you are using, open a terminal and type the following command: `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP` see also <which dm> <which x>. |
| 02:07.29 | nvz | McMurdo: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP |
| 02:07.55 | McMurdo | NVZ, XFCE |
| 02:08.12 | nvz | fires up the xfce vm |
| 02:08.25 | McMurdo | lol |
| 02:09.00 | nvz | McMurdo: you see this Applications > Settings > Preferred Applications |
| 02:09.13 | McMurdo | yes |
| 02:09.25 | nvz | Mine says Debian Sensible Browser |
| 02:09.34 | nvz | which makes it I would assume rely on alternatives |
| 02:09.44 | nvz | !alternatives |
| 02:09.44 | dpkg | methinks alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. http://people.debian.org/~jwilk/alternatives/Contents has a recently created list of all the available alternatives-managed paths in Debian. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
| 02:10.00 | nvz | or you can just specify a browser specifically and not use alternatives |
| 02:10.22 | nvz | alternatives system was designed to be more low-level and agnostic to specific environments |
| 02:10.33 | nvz | where the preferred applications thing is specific to the DE |
| 02:11.07 | nvz | puts the XFCE VM back into suspended animation |
| 02:11.25 | McMurdo | one clue I can give is that whenever I start boot the system up from cold it launches firefox |
| 02:11.38 | McMurdo | ...which always annoys me. |
| 02:11.41 | nvz | that would be a different issue involving a session manager |
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| 02:11.53 | McMurdo | ok, one issue at time then. |
| 02:11.56 | nvz | look in the Applications > Settings for something like startup programs |
| 02:12.13 | nvz | that controls what apps start at login, and if it remembers previously running apps or not |
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| 02:16.22 | nbghvffgvg | hello |
| 02:16.24 | McMurdo | I'm in >settings>session and startup>application autostart , but I don't see firefox |
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| 02:18.42 | McMurdo | nvz, what did you want me to do with apt policy | nc termbin.com 9999 , paste it in terminal, or here? |
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| 02:24.23 | McMurdo | (apt policy; apt-key list)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 02:24.50 | nvz | McMurdo: you asked a question about if that running that apt command meant what the other user said, that you downloaded from debian mirrors and had the keys.. |
| 02:25.09 | nvz | we can't answer that question accurately without more information.. to get that information you need to run this command.. |
| 02:25.23 | nvz | (apt policy; apt-key list)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 02:25.39 | lwp | (and then tell us the URL that should result, so we can look at that output) |
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| 02:25.48 | nvz | which will run those two commands, pipe their output to netcat which will send said output to termbin.com and return an URL so we can see what the output was |
| 02:25.57 | McMurdo | https://termbin.com/5vmd |
| 02:26.16 | Caspan | If i want all files and folders inside a folder to inherit its parents Owner:Group and 770 value how woud I do that |
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| 02:26.50 | Caspan | problme is an sFTP user will upload stuff and then they own the file and www-data cant read it |
| 02:27.15 | Caspan | so i want root:www-data for all files and folders under a directory |
| 02:27.16 | nvz | McMurdo: that output indicates that yes, you are using official mirrors and have signing keys for them.. |
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| 02:28.42 | McMurdo | OK. That's good. Does an infinite number of urls for that website exist for the infinite selection of package mirros that exist? |
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| 02:30.01 | nvz | o.O |
| 02:30.24 | McMurdo | I'm trying to figure out how that URL knows everything about me :) |
| 02:30.26 | nvz | McMurdo: is the website you're asking about "termbin.com"? |
| 02:30.30 | McMurdo | yes |
| 02:31.04 | nvz | McMurdo: termbin.com is just a site that listens on port 9999 for incomming connections via netcat and accepts text and returs a url with that text |
| 02:31.08 | nvz | its a pastebin |
| 02:31.21 | nvz | you sent it that information with the command I gave you and it sent you back a url |
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| 02:31.32 | McMurdo | so cool |
| 02:31.47 | nvz | its like going to http://paste.debian.net/ only you didnt have to manually copy, open the site, paste, etc.. |
| 02:32.10 | McMurdo | can you explain to me the principal of "piping" something?| |
| 02:32.18 | McMurdo | I've heard it used before, just don't quite get it. |
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| 02:33.16 | nvz | McMurdo: a pipe which is this symbol | is a shell construct (not /quite/ as simple/same as an actual unix named pipe) which tells the shell (bash/dash) to take the output of one command and feed it as the input of another command |
| 02:33.36 | McMurdo | ohh, interesting. |
| 02:34.17 | McMurdo | looking back at the URL that was created, what does the "500" mean next to all my urls? |
| 02:35.23 | nvz | there are many ways you can string commands together in bash... foo; bar tells bash to run foo, then run bar.. where foo && bar tells bash to run foo and if foo exits successfully, then run bar.. foo || bar tells bash to run foo then if it exits unsuccessfully, run bar.. foo | bar says to run foo feeding its stdout (output) to the command bar which is run next |
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| 02:35.46 | nvz | McMurdo: thats just the priority |
| 02:37.22 | McMurdo | ok, and each one of those lines like " http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports/contrib amd64 Packages " is a "mirror"? |
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| 02:39.21 | nvz | no, just a source from which apt has built its cache and can fetch packages |
| 02:39.39 | McMurdo | then what is a "mirror"? a server? |
| 02:39.56 | nvz | a "mirror" is a server that contains the same stuff as another server |
| 02:40.00 | nvz | has nothing to do with apt really |
| 02:40.19 | nvz | there are no gaurentees any of those sources apt gets stuff from are mirrors of anything |
| 02:40.35 | McMurdo | ok, they could be unique. |
| 02:40.46 | nvz | its often used interchangably with the term "reposiotory" in this context |
| 02:40.53 | McMurdo | ahh! |
| 02:41.10 | McMurdo | that file that contains my source repositories -- what is that file called? |
| 02:41.14 | nvz | they are called package repositories.. not "mirrors" as mirror is a vague term that could lead to saying something that isnt true |
| 02:41.21 | nvz | its called your Sources LIst |
| 02:42.30 | McMurdo | Ok. And looking at my Sources List, you saw all authentic Debian sources, so we know that when when apt installed keepassxc for me, we know that it was getting it from a trusted source (that it verified the signing key of)? |
| 02:42.50 | nvz | really those lines you pasted.. the deb.debian.org are not repositories or mirrors /technically/ they're a CDN that points to various mirrors of repositories :P |
| 02:43.32 | nvz | no, we know that due to your policy, thats what is likely to have happened :P |
| 02:43.38 | nvz | you can also do something like .. |
| 02:43.47 | nvz | apt policy keepassxc |
| 02:44.03 | nvz | that will show you WHICH of the repos you have available apt would likely fetch that package from |
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| 02:44.42 | nvz | and all this assumes that you have an uncompromised system otherwise.. that apt, libc, your kernel, or w/e isn't already compromised |
| 02:45.07 | nvz | cause if you have an apt for example that is compromised, can't believe anything it says anyhow :P |
| 02:45.08 | McMurdo | oh yeah, for sure. If my system is compromised, let's just go home. |
| 02:45.35 | McMurdo | it returned: 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main amd64 Packages |
| 02:45.35 | McMurdo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.44 | McMurdo | what is "my policy" that you speak of? |
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| 02:47.51 | nvz | McMurdo: apt policy... |
| 02:48.09 | nvz | its a system apt implements to control use of multiple software sources and their priorities |
| 02:48.26 | nvz | here is the simplified version of how apt works.. |
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| 02:48.44 | nvz | you first configure sources for software.. cds, dvds, websites.. etc.. |
| 02:49.44 | nvz | then apt must update it's cache.. and in doing so it hits each source, and fetches a Packages.gz or Packages.xz or Sources.gz(.xz) for sources.. and it uses these to build a local cache that makes like a software catalog |
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| 02:50.14 | nvz | in building this, it also builds a policy that controls the priority for packages from each source |
| 02:50.36 | nvz | so when you do things like apt search or apt show, its just consulting its local cached catalog |
| 02:51.26 | nvz | but when you tell it to GET something, it consults its policy in a rather sequential fashion.. that is if the SAME package exists on two or more mirrors of same priority, it'll fetch it from the first one listed that it can get it from |
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| 02:51.41 | McMurdo | ahh |
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| 02:52.15 | nvz | so simply changing your sources does nothing.. cause apt only acts on the sources list when its updating its cache |
| 02:52.27 | nvz | you must always update the cache when changing the sources |
| 02:52.56 | nvz | you must also always update your cache to get newer packages.. cause apt isn't checking the mirror when you tell it to go get something to see if its there or if there is a newer version or anything.. |
| 02:53.16 | McMurdo | it's consulting is catalog? |
| 02:53.23 | nvz | its merely looking up its cache, and following a link from there that it had gotten during its cache update from the mirror's Packages.gz |
| 02:53.51 | nvz | for all apt knows, that file may not even exist |
| 02:54.32 | McMurdo | when you do apt full-upgrade, does that update the cache? |
| 02:55.03 | nvz | thats a fairly new feature, and I'm very tired right now.. so I can't say for /certain/ but I'd say no.. |
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| 02:55.10 | nvz | only apt update updates the cache |
| 02:55.30 | nvz | its a step completely seperate from any policy, install, remove, upgrade, or other such actions |
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| 02:56.08 | McMurdo | so when I go to update my system I should do apt update && apt full-upgrade? |
| 02:56.51 | nvz | absolutely.. in fact you should apt update before doing most anything |
| 02:57.03 | nvz | when changing sources, when upgrading, etc.. |
| 02:57.03 | McMurdo | such as? |
| 02:57.13 | McMurdo | ok. |
| 02:57.39 | McMurdo | to close out: since I only have debian sources on my Source List, why can't we be CERTAIN apt downloaded keepassxc from a trusted debian source? |
| 02:57.43 | nvz | imagine this scenario.. you want to install Foo.. when you last updated your cache http://foo/ mirror had Foo 1.2.3.. |
| 02:58.04 | nvz | but now due to lets say maybe a security issue Foo is now 1.2.4 |
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| 02:58.12 | nvz | and they removed 1.2.3 from the mirror |
| 02:58.24 | McMurdo | ok... |
| 02:58.27 | nvz | you're going to fail to fetch that package |
| 02:58.40 | nvz | and if they didnt remove it from the mirror, you're gonna get the older one |
| 02:58.44 | sparky4 | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 02:58.44 | dpkg | sparky4: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:58.45 | sparky4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:59.08 | sparky4 | i ran into this problem when trying to remove discord |
| 02:59.09 | nvz | o.O |
| 02:59.39 | nvz | I'd hardly consider a mising final newline as an unrecoverable OR fatal error |
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| 03:01.05 | McMurdo | Ok. I'm still wonderingL since I only have debian sources on my Source List, why can't we be CERTAIN apt downloaded keepassxc from a trusted debian source? |
| 03:01.07 | sparky4 | i cannot sleep until this is fixed |
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| 03:05.22 | sparky4 | i found out how to fix it god thius is a pain in the ass |
| 03:05.41 | sparky4 | yes! |
| 03:05.43 | sparky4 | got it |
| 03:06.03 | McMurdo | how do you use the msg dpkg irclog feature? I tried to save the text of that past half hour and accidentally cleared it all. |
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| 03:07.57 | sparky4 | tit sadens me i cannot use debian 10 on my main desktop which uses an older graphics card |
| 03:08.23 | nvz | McMurdo: you can't be certain of anything.. |
| 03:08.54 | nvz | "you see with your eyes, so you are easy to fool" - Mr Han, Karate Kid |
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| 03:09.29 | McMurdo | well, if I download the software, and verify myself using GPG, let's call that 100% certain. |
| 03:09.48 | nvz | the crux of this is, you wanna know if that package can be trusted.. and either you trust your system, apt, the debian maintainers..etc.. that it all did as it was supposed to... or you don't |
| 03:10.04 | nvz | and the former doesn't exclude verifying on your own.. |
| 03:10.14 | nvz | afterall trust, but verify is a motto for many |
| 03:10.20 | McMurdo | exactly |
| 03:11.00 | nvz | I personally trust my package managers and my maintainers more than myself on such things, particularly when I'm as tired as I am right now.. |
| 03:11.33 | nvz | however you may be interested in some other tools that can help you assure your system is legit.. like debsums, tripwire, etc.. |
| 03:11.51 | McMurdo | ok, those sound interesting. |
| 03:12.15 | nvz | a tripwire or IDS system monitors a system for changes.. its complex to implement and manage.. but fairly reliable |
| 03:12.49 | nvz | where debsums does a lot of the same shit a tripwire would do, though manually checking the checksums of all the files installed by packages on the system against the official versions |
| 03:13.11 | McMurdo | That sounds cool |
| 03:13.25 | nvz | difference is and IDS is an automated system, but requires preperation to work.. where debsums is manual and requires no prep |
| 03:14.16 | McMurdo | and debsums works on package that's already installed? |
| 03:14.58 | nvz | ,i debsums |
| 03:14.59 | judd | Package debsums (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.2.3; Size: 48.6k; Installed: 120k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debsums |
| 03:15.01 | nvz | !debsums |
| 03:15.01 | dpkg | debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "apt install debsums; debsums -a -s". Almost all packages come with md5sums included in the package or apt will have generated them for you; generate missing ones with "apt-get install --reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>. |
| 03:15.40 | McMurdo | who is this user dpkg? is an feature of the chat room? |
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| 03:15.51 | nvz | its a bot |
| 03:15.54 | dvs | dpkg, who are you |
| 03:15.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 03:15.56 | nvz | we have many bots here |
| 03:16.05 | nvz | dpkg, WHAT are you? |
| 03:16.05 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 03:16.22 | McMurdo | what is infobot? |
| 03:16.34 | nvz | dpkg, what is infobot? |
| 03:16.34 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more. |
| 03:16.35 | dvs | dpkg, infobot |
| 03:17.03 | nvz | McMurdo: you can /msg the bots and talk to some of them in #debian-bots |
| 03:17.22 | McMurdo | why do we write /msg with a slash? |
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| 03:18.46 | nvz | McMurdo: the main bots here are debhelper, which is an eggdrop bot for channel maint.. mostly just adjusts the limits and prevents various forms of flooding.. dpkg,apt,deselect are all mirrors of our info/factoid bot.. judd is an interface to the UDD (Ultimate Debian Database) supybot/limnoria codebase I think.. and piggy is a client being ran to capture logs for PISG analysis |
| 03:18.58 | nvz | McMurdo: all commands in irc must start with a / |
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| 03:20.00 | McMurdo | when somebody puts something inside < > like infobot did, that's just like saying "take the text that's inside these brackets" correct? |
| 03:20.53 | dvs | McMurdo, it means send a message to dpkg with that word. e.g. /msg dpkg WORD |
| 03:21.32 | rrn | If I install from the unofficial release containing nonfree drivers, will the required nonfree driver (for the NIC) be installed, or only used during installation? |
| 03:21.39 | nvz | McMurdo: its common convention for us to use <> in our factoids to indicate a link to another factoid.. |
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| 03:21.59 | McMurdo | does it have a wider meaning in the coding community as a whole? |
| 03:22.01 | nvz | McMurdo: its just a way of indicating that there is another factoid by that name that you can look up |
| 03:22.08 | dvs | rrn, it will be installed |
| 03:22.15 | nvz | McMurdo: not really.. its used in various markup languages of course |
| 03:23.24 | rrn | dvs: Is it ok that it's unofficial? Would it entail less of a guarantee? It simply seems much easier than manually providing the driver to the official installer, and then somehow installing the driver after installation completes. |
| 03:23.25 | nvz | McMurdo: rrn: when using the officially unofficial firmware isos, it'll install available non-free firmwares as well as load them in the installer |
| 03:23.49 | nvz | rrn: you ignore a huge part of what Debian is, and what we're doing here.. |
| 03:24.14 | rrn | nvz: I understand, but I have to use this stupid NIC with a proprietary driver... |
| 03:24.18 | dvs | rrn, Debian officially support FOSS software. The unofficial ISO is provided as a courtesy to make installations easier. |
| 03:24.19 | nvz | rrn: providing those drivers in the official install would undermine the Social Contract and violate debian package policy |
| 03:24.26 | nvz | just as not providing a means to get it would |
| 03:24.55 | nvz | Debian promises in its Social COntract that it will remain 100% free |
| 03:25.02 | rrn | nvz: both onboard NICs, with free support, have failed, and I have no choice but to use this NIC with proprietary drivers... |
| 03:25.12 | nvz | yet it also promises that you can use it as you wish.. which includes with non-free stuff |
| 03:25.20 | annadane | the attack of the 3 letter names |
| 03:25.28 | McMurdo | Ok, I think I've learned enough for one night, thanks for the help nvz |
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| 03:25.36 | rrn | nvz: Yes, in fact I am against the legal theory of the copyright in general (which includes GPL, MIT, et al.)... |
| 03:25.49 | nvz | McMurdo: my pleasure, come back again when you can't stay so long :P |
| 03:25.57 | McMurdo | lol |
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| 03:26.23 | nvz | McMurdo: though honestly given your interest and aptitude, I'd say don't go anywhere |
| 03:26.32 | rrn | dvs, nvz: Ok, I understand now, thanks! Please forgive my resort to a proprietary driver... |
| 03:26.44 | McMurdo | :) I'm hooked to FOSS for life! |
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| 03:27.00 | rrn | McMurdo: Is that a Gaelic prefix? |
| 03:27.22 | McMurdo | rrn: I'm sorry, what do you mean? |
| 03:27.25 | McMurdo | my name? |
| 03:27.28 | nvz | McMurdo: #debian-offtopic is where we hang out and socialize, and the OFFICIAL network for debian is now OFTC ( irc.oftc.net ) for what its worth.. though this is a larger and older community |
| 03:27.58 | rrn | McMurdo: yeah, your nick (which is your surname?) |
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| 03:28.15 | nvz | McMurdo: maybe his name is McMurdock |
| 03:28.20 | nvz | erm.. |
| 03:28.21 | trui | anyone know of a beginner friendly debian upgrade tutorial? i'm aware of https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html but that seems longer than it needs to be. i'm totally fine with upgrading my own system, but i'm wondering if there's something i can point to beginners |
| 03:28.35 | McMurdo | I'm not sure of the origin. I choose it because of the scientific research station in Antarctica. |
| 03:28.51 | rrn | McMurdo: Oh, I thought that you were a Celt. |
| 03:29.02 | McMurdo | I do enjoy folk music :) |
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| 03:29.36 | trui | or should i just do the standard 'do a backup, edit your sources like this, do this, and tell me if you have any problems' |
| 03:30.36 | trui | it seems like there should be something out there that says that, so i don't need to recreate a tutorial every time |
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| 03:31.19 | McMurdo | nvz, why is there a #debian and #debian-oftc? and what does OFTC stand for? |
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| 03:34.02 | nvz | dpkg, oftc? |
| 03:34.02 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may (or may not) be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 03:34.15 | nvz | McMurdo: I never heard of #debian-oftc |
| 03:34.33 | McMurdo | that's what I thought you meant |
| 03:34.44 | nvz | McMurdo: no I mean #debian ON irc.oftc.net |
| 03:35.04 | McMurdo | as opposed to freenode (which were on now)? |
| 03:35.17 | nvz | McMurdo: if you're really new to this, irc isnt like AIM, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Chat, QQ, Facebook Messenger., SKype, etc.. |
| 03:35.25 | nvz | there is no "network" |
| 03:35.30 | nvz | there are only relays |
| 03:35.40 | nvz | that form multiple different networks |
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| 03:36.29 | nvz | McMurdo: yes, Freenode is an entirely different network.. and long ago when I came here, it was the official network of the Debian project, irc.debian.org pointed here, but it now points to irc.oftc.net |
| 03:37.11 | nvz | McMurdo: this is important simply because its official, and thats where all the SPECIFIC and OFFICIAL Debian channels are. This is a larger support channel, but its not official anymore |
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| 03:37.22 | nvz | dpkg, debian irc? |
| 03:37.24 | dpkg | nvz: i haven't a clue |
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| 03:38.04 | nvz | dpkg, irc? |
| 03:38.04 | dpkg | IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Debian IRC channels are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>. |
| 03:38.31 | nvz | all those channelse listed on http://wiki.debian.org/IRC are on OFTC |
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| 03:39.27 | adolfo29282323 | hi |
| 03:39.44 | nvz | not yet, but I'm working on it |
| 03:39.58 | adolfo29282323 | do you know any graphic mariadb client on Debian? |
| 03:40.19 | nvz | not offhand no.. but I'd imagine that anything that worked on mysql would probably work on it |
| 03:40.34 | adolfo29282323 | thks |
| 03:40.34 | nvz | and I seem to recall mysql having a web based tool |
| 03:40.49 | McMurdo | Well if this one is bigger, why would anyone look for help to the official one first? |
| 03:41.31 | nvz | McMurdo: I'm not suggesting going there /first/ just letting you know where you can more likely find /specific/ debian channels and ones where the actual DD and DM hang |
| 03:41.55 | McMurdo | dpkg, DD |
| 03:41.56 | dpkg | dd is, like, an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. <pv> |
| 03:43.10 | McMurdo | dpkg, DM |
| 03:43.10 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, sddm, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 03:43.48 | McMurdo | nvs: I don't think that's what you meant by DM? |
| 03:43.55 | nvz | McMurdo: should you need to do that in the future, its preferred that you privately message the bot.. we only display factoids in here when they're used to help someone.. right now the channel is fairly low traffic but there are a LOT of nicks here and a LOT of activity typically.. for your own reference you can /msg the bot or check its factoids online |
| 03:44.00 | nvz | McMurdo: Debian Maintainer |
| 03:44.10 | nvz | McMurdo: a DM is a lower level than a DD |
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| 03:44.38 | McMurdo | I just messaged dpkg priviately saying "dpkg DM" |
| 03:44.43 | McMurdo | and he didn't have any idea what I meant |
| 03:45.03 | nvz | McMurdo: you don't need to say the bot's name when talking to it privately |
| 03:45.14 | McMurdo | ahhh! |
| 03:45.21 | nvz | it thinks you wanted a factoid called <dpkg DM> |
| 03:45.34 | McMurdo | lol! |
| 03:45.42 | nvz | you actually don't have to say its name here either. |
| 03:45.47 | nvz | !yinzersmite McMurdo |
| 03:45.47 | dpkg | McMurdo: yinz are worse den dose pendot jagoffs n'at |
| 03:46.03 | McMurdo | what the heck does that mean? |
| 03:46.44 | nvz | its Pittsburghese .. he said that you are worse than the Pennylvania Department Of Transportation |
| 03:47.06 | McMurdo | does he say that for every nick? |
| 03:47.34 | nvz | dpkg, cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/pendot/PennDOT/ |
| 03:47.34 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 03:48.00 | McMurdo | what was that about? |
| 03:48.22 | nvz | McMurdo: its just a smite I made a long time ago.. was demonstrating use of the bot with a trigger rather than addressing it by name |
| 03:48.38 | McMurdo | umm, what's a smite? |
| 03:48.39 | nvz | McMurdo: that command issues a random smite in Pittsburghese |
| 03:48.45 | nvz | dpkg, smite? |
| 03:48.45 | dpkg | All good deities can Smite(tm) |
| 03:48.49 | nvz | heh |
| 03:49.12 | nvz | smiting is like .. well.. like a sort of rebuke |
| 03:49.26 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite me |
| 03:49.26 | dpkg | rilly wisht nvz conjagated sharn once in ahwile. |
| 03:49.56 | McMurdo | this is wonderfully obscure :) |
| 03:50.17 | nvz | McMurdo: IRC bots often have trigger characters.. dpkg's is ! and judd's is , |
| 03:50.31 | nvz | @hello |
| 03:50.35 | nvz | ~hello |
| 03:50.35 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 03:51.11 | nvz | yeah, well those are the backup and backup backups of dpkg (apt and dselect) but they are old and feeble :P |
| 03:51.22 | nvz | apt, WAKE UP |
| 03:51.22 | apt | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on UP and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 03:51.29 | nvz | dselect: WAKE UP! |
| 03:51.29 | dselect | nvz: I'm already awake! :) |
| 03:51.34 | nvz | could've fooled me |
| 03:51.39 | McMurdo | lol |
| 03:52.36 | nvz | but the backups are read-only where dpkg is live and archived regularly |
| 03:53.17 | nvz | you can teach dpkg new factoids, alter old ones.. etc.. we all maintain that information.. that command I did earlier corrected a spelling error in the yinzersmite command |
| 03:54.01 | nvz | dpkg, literal cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 03:54.01 | dpkg | "cmd: yinzersmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (runsover $1, wit an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanahr dahn da bulvard.|pooshes $1 aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |pahds $1 fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.|rode $1 dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums.|pinches $1 fer hawkin' stoled Stiller's tickets.|rilly wisht $1 conjagated sharn once in ahwile.|$1: yinz a jagoff|$1: yinz are worse den dose ... |
| 03:54.35 | nvz | oh well.. it cut off before showing the change.. hehe |
| 03:54.42 | McMurdo | interesting |
| 03:54.50 | nvz | but it basically works like this.. |
| 03:55.07 | nvz | dpkg, frubbly |
| 03:55.07 | dpkg | nvz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 03:55.13 | nvz | it doesn't know frubbly |
| 03:55.20 | nvz | dpkg, frubbly is something I just made up |
| 03:55.22 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 03:55.25 | nvz | dpkg, frubbly? |
| 03:55.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, frubbly is something I just made up |
| 03:55.41 | nvz | dpkg, no, frubbly is <reply>this is total nonsense |
| 03:55.41 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 03:55.48 | nvz | dpkg frubbly? |
| 03:55.48 | dpkg | this is total nonsense |
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| 03:56.10 | nvz | dpkg frubbly =~ s/total/absolutely total/ |
| 03:56.10 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 03:56.19 | nvz | !frubbly |
| 03:56.19 | dpkg | this is absolutely total nonsense |
| 03:56.24 | nvz | dpkg, forget frubbly |
| 03:56.26 | dpkg | nvz: i forgot frubbly |
| 03:56.58 | McMurdo | nvz, I assume you're and admin, but I don't see any sort of admin status on anyone nick in here? |
| 03:57.38 | nvz | when you put things like <reply> or <action> it causes it to either repeat the factoid verbatim as a normal message or as an action, without those it will free-form like it did above, saying "Well I head that.. " or "Extra, extra, read all about it..." etc.. |
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| 03:58.07 | nvz | McMurdo: no I am not an admin, not affiliated with Freenode, Debian, or anything else of note.. I just been here using and supporting debian since like 2003ish.. |
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| 03:58.31 | nvz | McMurdo: Freenode's guideline/policy suggest that people not "wear ops" and i think its a good policy |
| 03:58.58 | nvz | only ops in here should be Chanserv (Freenode's channel services bot) and debhelper (the channel maint bot) |
| 03:59.16 | nvz | the ops are here.. they're just not advertising it |
| 03:59.23 | McMurdo | "ops" meaning "operator?" |
| 03:59.50 | nvz | yes, an op is someone who has channel operator privleges.. and when they are "wearing ops" you'll see an @ in front of their nick |
| 04:00.40 | nvz | you must have mode +o and an @ in front of your name to do channel operations.. even those who are ops can't do anything here without setting +o or having Chanserv do it on their behalf |
| 04:02.08 | nvz | Freenode's general concept of not wearing ops stems from a larger philosophy of how to facilitate the sort of open collaboration this network was built for.. |
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| 04:03.22 | nvz | if I were @nvz someone may nag me wanting me to make them an op, or wanting me to do something rather than handling it themselves by being a catalyst as freenode calls it.. or may be intimidated by anything I say when there is a potential issue arising..etc |
| 04:03.47 | McMurdo | interesting. |
| 04:04.25 | nvz | you can read all about freenode's policies, their ideas on catalysts.. etc on their website |
| 04:04.53 | McMurdo | Final question. I realized I could install keepassxc using sudo apt install keepassxc by looking at the instructions under "ubuntu". Why do you think the author didn't put those same instructions under "Debian"? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html |
| 04:05.14 | McMurdo | corretion: https://keepassxc.org/download/#linux |
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| 04:05.31 | nvz | probably cause they are either an ubuntu user, an idiot, or both.. who knows.. |
| 04:06.38 | nvz | I can't speak for what upstream developers do to their websites |
| 04:06.46 | annadane | they're different things? :D |
| 04:07.08 | McMurdo | seems like he just forgot to include it I guess. |
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| 04:07.19 | nvz | annadane: :D |
| 04:07.29 | McMurdo | I'll ask him if replies back to my original email :) |
| 04:07.32 | annadane | i mean that post is from a) 2006 b) i don't think keepassxc is in stable |
| 04:07.34 | annadane | ,v keepassxc |
| 04:07.35 | judd | Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1; sid: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1 |
| 04:07.39 | annadane | never mind |
| 04:07.55 | nvz | annadane: the ldo link I think was a mistake |
| 04:07.57 | annadane | confusing it with oldstable (stretch) |
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| 04:08.40 | McMurdo | yeah :) |
| 04:09.23 | McMurdo | Anyway. Thanks again for the help, and I'll see you at the the other IRC official channel sometime once I've configured it for Tor :) |
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| 04:09.48 | nvz | heh.. yeah I leave my a client on my server connected to both networks all the time |
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| 04:10.15 | McMurdo | I figured so! cheers. |
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| 04:10.39 | nvz | drinks to that |
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| 04:11.01 | nvz | wanders off to bed and leaves annadane to reddit :P |
| 04:11.54 | cabinmarine | hi i just wanted to know if there is a debian discord server |
| 04:12.01 | annadane | not officially |
| 04:12.08 | annadane | discord is proprietary so that is unlikely |
| 04:12.12 | cabinmarine | unofficial one is fine too |
| 04:12.18 | annadane | *shrug* no idea |
| 04:12.33 | cabinmarine | ok but discussing that here is not against policy i hope |
| 04:12.37 | cabinmarine | or rules |
| 04:12.38 | annadane | it is not |
| 04:13.02 | cabinmarine | so where do debian devs/maintainers hang out outside of OFTC |
| 04:13.07 | cabinmarine | and mailing lists |
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| 04:13.13 | annadane | partially salsa.debian.org |
| 04:13.41 | annadane | and um... i'm not sure what else, really. there's this new "debian social" thing beginning to roll out so presumably there in future |
| 04:16.16 | annadane | uh... matrix... servers? maybe? don't know |
| 04:16.29 | annadane | a lot of them are in #debian-devel on oftc |
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| 04:16.44 | annadane | really, mostly the answer is "mailing lists" |
| 04:16.49 | annadane | and yeah oftc chans |
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| 04:26.29 | annadane | wonders if riot.im got any better |
| 04:26.35 | annadane | it was okay but a bit disorganized |
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| 07:32.24 | Cerbb | hello..when browsing in the file manager usually pressing backspace brings you one folder up in the tree, is this right? why in the last few days, on some folders, when pressing backspace, it goes all the way up to home, or up a couple of folders, or who knows with a not very understandable pattern? |
| 07:32.58 | Cerbb | my guess is that something got messed up in some setting file, and some folders are viewed differently than others..but I am not sure where to go check that |
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| 07:34.13 | pasiz | Cerbb: backspace acts like previous in browser in most cases. So it doesnt always go up one level, but level you are last |
| 07:34.55 | pasiz | and without telling the distro and filemanager is impossible to say how it should behave |
| 07:35.14 | Cerbb | right...i am on debian stretch and i am using nemo |
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| 07:36.44 | Cerbb | actually it does not go where it was last either..i was not able to figure out a precise pattern |
| 07:36.57 | Cerbb | version of nemo is 3.2.2 |
| 07:37.51 | pasiz | alt+arrow up should be right key to use |
| 07:38.08 | pasiz | if you want up one level |
| 07:38.40 | Cerbb | i see |
| 07:38.41 | Cerbb | thanks |
| 07:38.53 | Cerbb | yes..this works as it should |
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| 07:39.18 | Cerbb | so alt + up is the direct equivalent to 'cd ..'? |
| 07:39.25 | pasiz | yes |
| 07:39.33 | Cerbb | and backspace does something strange apparently |
| 07:39.35 | pasiz | alt + left is back button |
| 07:40.00 | Cerbb | ok..and indeed alt+left is doing different stuff than backspace |
| 07:40.19 | Cerbb | but ok..thank you..i like alt+up |
| 07:41.54 | pasiz | ur welcome |
| 07:42.29 | pasiz | and if you didn't figure out, alt+right is naturally forward when alt+left is backward |
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| 08:26.22 | wjwiz | hi, i have found a HP A2094 crt monitor the other day, and I would like to have it running on debian buster. i have used "cvt 640 480 75" to create a new mode and add it with xrandr, I the screen will then stop flickering, but I am still getting an issue where the image seems to be drawn twice onto the monitor from different positions, would anyone have an idea what the issue could be? I think maybe |
| 08:26.28 | wjwiz | something to do with the horizontal sync? |
| 08:26.31 | wjwiz | heres the monitor specs: http://www.leibbrandt.com/sunmon/monitors/Hewle09.html |
| 08:26.32 | wjwiz | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/HP-HP9000-720-Workstation_09.jpg |
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| 08:42.44 | DarkMat | Hi guys, I am trying to find a regular expression that matches a valid email, but I have not found anyone good enough. For example, pepito@cosas.es and pepito.perez_15@hola.es are valid but sadfs@ewf.com@hola.es is not valid |
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| 08:43.28 | DarkMat | Any solution for extracting emails fromt text file from command line would be good too |
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| 08:44.38 | nkuttler | DarkMat: try https://emailregex.com/ |
| 08:45.47 | huma | i suspect if it comes to upgrading an old debian 6 machine, most practical would be to install buster from scratch? |
| 08:46.38 | nkuttler | huma: define practical? |
| 08:46.44 | Tizef | something I don't understand... is there any issue to mix kde, gnome, xfce, lxde, gtk, plasma, Qt softwares all together and make a mix pot OS ? |
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| 08:47.22 | nkuttler | Tizef: not really |
| 08:47.52 | Tizef | some talk about integration problems nkuttler ? |
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| 08:48.05 | Tizef | to make OS unstable? |
| 08:48.32 | Tizef | so maybe it was in the past like 10years back? |
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| 08:50.48 | at0m | Tizef: not that i know of. only downside i see would be inefficient use of shared libs and other resources when running such a mix, but Should Work(TM) just fine |
| 08:51.08 | Tizef | Thank you nkuttler ! so I will carry one then , a net-install and make my mix-fruits based on openbox ! |
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| 08:52.49 | Tizef | actually I am not going install everything, but just a minimal OS, but I was just wondering of it... I remember guys 10years back telling me to be carefull with such actions... |
| 08:53.15 | Tizef | thank you at0m as well! |
| 08:53.45 | huma | nkuttler: safer and less time consuming, rather than going the official route, hopping through each distro upgrade from 6 to 10 fixing stuff at each step |
| 08:54.09 | at0m | Tizef: well.. if you default to *box, which is very lightweight, then install, say, Dolphin, that single file browser will draw in a *lot* of KDE/QT depends |
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| 08:55.11 | dff | Tizef: i have like 6 DEs |
| 08:55.36 | dff | still cant figure out which one i prefer |
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| 08:56.52 | Tizef | at0m I am looking at pcmanfm ? |
| 08:57.11 | Tizef | dff, sorry, I don't know what is a DEs |
| 08:57.20 | at0m | Tizef: that has minimal depends. was just giving an example. |
| 08:57.30 | at0m | Tizef: Desktop Environment |
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| 08:59.13 | rs2009 | Creation of Krob Linux Enterprise at blufire.xyz by the BluFire Team |
| 08:59.16 | mms_ | I think msi x370 gaming pro mobo + ryzen 5 2400g is not supported by debian installers. after main menu I get blurred thick horizontal lines. |
| 08:59.39 | rs2009 | Join at blufire.xyz/join.html |
| 08:59.53 | mms_ | yesterday few here suggested the iso might not have support of it |
| 09:00.00 | at0m | !ops rs2009 spam |
| 09:00.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: at0m complains about a problem (see above) |
| 09:00.03 | mms_ | issue with installer only |
| 09:00.16 | mms_ | I have existing hdd with debian 10 and it can boot fine on same mobo |
| 09:00.48 | mms_ | I have new ssd that I want to install debian 10 on its one partition and so trying debian installer |
| 09:00.51 | at0m | mms_: any other way to connect the display? say, switch from hdmi to dvi or vga? |
| 09:01.03 | at0m | mms_: if only just for the installer |
| 09:01.31 | mms_ | at0m: my mobo will support only hdmi |
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| 09:02.13 | at0m | hands mms_ a hdmi2vga adapter |
| 09:02.33 | at0m | ok that probably will keep the issue as it's still hdmi initially |
| 09:03.17 | mms_ | at0m: I do not have adapter |
| 09:04.11 | Tizef | at0m oh I see ! yes I should go on looking after packages depends, thanks for that point ! |
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| 09:04.30 | mms_ | some one said I can just do disk copy from hdd partition to ssd ? |
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| 09:04.59 | mms_ | but then how can I edit boot loader since ssd has windows only currently |
| 09:05.13 | Tizef | thank you dff |
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| 09:06.36 | dff | yw |
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| 09:09.52 | jelly | rs2009: don't do that in here |
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| 09:12.36 | irrr3levant | Hey, I want to install debian with non free stuff on it, but I dont know which img to download, can someone provide a link? |
| 09:13.01 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 09:13.02 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 09:14.07 | mms_ | jelly: I think i had installed debian on my old intel based mobo and then I swapped mobo to msi |
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| 09:14.46 | mms_ | msi x370 gaming pro + amd ryzen 5 so existing hdd debian runs fine but installer fails |
| 09:15.06 | mms_ | so now thinking if I can use gparted to copy partition and then install grub |
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| 09:17.11 | Grobo | Hi, I'm getting this error: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLU.so.1 |
| 09:17.33 | Grobo | I used binary packages to install libGLU and its requirements |
| 09:17.46 | Grobo | I haven't seen this type of error before |
| 09:18.06 | Grobo | libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.9' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLU.so.1) |
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| 09:18.49 | Grobo | I'm using Debian 10.3 |
| 09:18.56 | Corona_biere | good |
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| 09:22.28 | Grobo | Any ideas? I have no idea how to fix this |
| 09:23.09 | dispersed | you need a different version of libstdc++ likely |
| 09:23.29 | dispersed | or a different version of libGLU |
| 09:23.58 | Grobo | hmm |
| 09:24.25 | dispersed | you can probably find the ABI versions corresponding to packages somewhere |
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| 09:26.27 | Grobo | Oh, I think I've got it. The program came bundled with its own libstd that it was trying to use |
| 09:26.40 | ratrace | sounds like breaking debian with an ever deeper rabbit hole. what's the end goal really? Aren't opengl libs provided by the gpu driver packages? |
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| 09:28.54 | Grobo | IT's actually not going to use that driver at all but it's linked to it, so I had to install it. It's working now. |
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| 09:31.52 | jelly | those symbols are provided by libstdc++6 in debian 10, yes |
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| 09:38.50 | GigaFlow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.14 | ratrace | GigaFlow: try making them After=network-online.target |
| 09:39.23 | GigaFlow | hm, will try |
| 09:39.44 | GigaFlow | hey, where I should write it? |
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| 09:40.01 | GigaFlow | in some smbd.service file? |
| 09:40.55 | GigaFlow | smbd already has it |
| 09:41.10 | ratrace | oh. huh. |
| 09:42.08 | GigaFlow | nmbd too |
| 09:42.27 | GigaFlow | it happens that interface got IP address with delay |
| 09:42.42 | GigaFlow | I dunno why, perhaps router bug |
| 09:43.11 | ratrace | GigaFlow: yes but the network managing framework shouldn't signal readiness until it got the IP. |
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| 09:43.38 | GigaFlow | what if it's IP address is static? |
| 09:43.53 | GigaFlow | ou, it's not |
| 09:43.57 | GigaFlow | it was static |
| 09:44.12 | pasiz | GigaFlow: seems that your network-online target is broken |
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| 09:44.21 | GigaFlow | did nothing to it |
| 09:44.34 | GigaFlow | also, I don't use NetworkManager |
| 09:45.07 | ratrace | I meant "network managing framework" in a broader sense. NM is just one of them |
| 09:45.18 | ratrace | interfaces(5) is another, systemd-networkd is yet another |
| 09:45.35 | pasiz | and you are running debian release what |
| 09:46.12 | ratrace | GigaFlow: ah, wait, I remember now, there was a trick with interfaces(5) and waiting for IPs... lemme unearth it |
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| 09:47.36 | ratrace | GigaFlow: try enabling ifupdown-wait-online.service and see if that helps on reboot . and indeed, which debian you have there? |
| 09:47.40 | GigaFlow | Buster |
| 09:48.10 | ratrace | GigaFlow: also I'm assuming you're using the interfaces(5) framework then? configured via /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 09:50.58 | GigaFlow | yep |
| 09:51.49 | GigaFlow | how to enable it? |
| 09:52.20 | ratrace | systemctl enable ifupdown-wait-online.service ; but that might require you to alter those services that aren't run After=network-online.target to do so |
| 09:52.40 | ratrace | ifupdown-wait-online.service is making itself a condition for the network-online.target and it runs IP availability checks. |
| 09:53.02 | GigaFlow | ok |
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| 09:56.00 | GigaFlow | how can I alter those services? like after=ifupdown-wait-online.service ? |
| 09:56.36 | GigaFlow | nvm |
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| 09:59.06 | GigaFlow | nope, doesn't work |
| 09:59.18 | GigaFlow | should I also unmask it? |
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| 10:02.05 | ratrace | GigaFlow: which part doesn't work exactly? Is the service enabled and running on boot? |
| 10:02.25 | GigaFlow | service --status-all doens;t see it |
| 10:02.49 | GigaFlow | all three services (nmbd sshd smbd) failed |
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| 10:03.42 | ratrace | it's a oneshot service. can you pastebin systemctl status ifupdown-wait-online.service ? |
| 10:04.07 | GigaFlow | wait a sec, rebooting |
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| 10:07.12 | GigaFlow | https://paste.debian.net/1135818/ |
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| 10:08.19 | ratrace | GigaFlow: so the service is running fine. Can you please pastebin systemctl status ssh.service ? |
| 10:09.02 | ratrace | Also journalctl -b -u ssh.service | grep "sshd" |
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| 10:09.21 | GigaFlow | https://paste.debian.net/1135819/ |
| 10:09.59 | GigaFlow | several lines from that paste |
| 10:09.59 | ratrace | right, as expected , sshd failed but systemd restarts it until it doesn't fail. is ssh.service After=network-online.target ? |
| 10:10.15 | ratrace | GigaFlow: don't need it actually, the paste before tells all that's needed |
| 10:10.32 | GigaFlow | yes |
| 10:11.07 | GigaFlow | After=network.target auditd.service network-online.target |
| 10:12.31 | GigaFlow | I even made file in if-up.d with just "service sshd start" |
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| 10:12.39 | GigaFlow | sometimes it works, sometimes not |
| 10:13.16 | ratrace | GigaFlow: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:13.27 | GigaFlow | all I need to press "power" button on PC and have all my services online, but always it's like roulette |
| 10:14.13 | GigaFlow | allow-hotplug enp1s0 |
| 10:14.13 | GigaFlow | iface enp1s0 inet dhcp |
| 10:14.27 | GigaFlow | and 'lo' ofcourse |
| 10:14.39 | ratrace | GigaFlow: make it auto instead of allow-hotplug |
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| 10:15.59 | GigaFlow | so I read that hotplug means it will catch it (and start an IP assigning) while cable plugged in while PC works |
| 10:16.03 | GigaFlow | ok, I'll truy |
| 10:16.09 | GigaFlow | rebootin' |
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| 10:19.04 | GigaFlow | ou yeah, it works, I even notices that that "loading output" was stopped for a while |
| 10:19.44 | GigaFlow | so, what 'allow-hotplug' actually does? |
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| 10:20.45 | ratrace | waits for udev signaling of device availability, but there was some problem with that, I just remembered when I saw your paste, that would make it available later than needed. hotplug is typically used for unstable devices that aren't there all the time. |
| 10:21.22 | GigaFlow | for devices, got it |
| 10:21.35 | ratrace | infact, I think that you don't even need the ifupdown-wait-online.service . Could you do one more reboot check with that service first disabled? |
| 10:21.36 | GigaFlow | not for cable in it, lol |
| 10:21.45 | GigaFlow | hm, ok |
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| 10:24.54 | GigaFlow | yep |
| 10:24.59 | ratrace | not needed? |
| 10:25.02 | GigaFlow | works even without ifupdown |
| 10:25.06 | ratrace | great, thanks for confirming. |
| 10:25.15 | GigaFlow | danke, guys |
| 10:25.19 | ratrace | !next |
| 10:25.19 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 10:26.28 | Matpopokakara | saluti |
| 10:26.42 | GigaFlow | I always turn on Debian machine at morning and then leaving home, so if services didn't run I will found out it only at evening |
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| 10:29.07 | Matpopokakara | You have the solution for intel management engine |
| 10:29.09 | ratrace | GigaFlow: though ssh would've worked anyway, due to systemd restarting it on failure . yes it'd fail the frist restart or few, as seen in one of your pastes, but eventually it catches up. |
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| 10:30.36 | ratrace | GigaFlow: maybe the other services should be configured to restart always on failure , if they're critical for you. |
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| 10:35.53 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.53 | pasiz | ! |
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| 11:08.20 | openbsdtai123 | A free FLTK webcam viewer is here: the small size code : wget http://termbin.com/kxqv -O fltkwebcam.cxx ; g++ -lfltk fltkwebcam.cxx -o fltkwebcam ; ./fltkwebcam 2 Done, Enjoy! (apt-get install libfltk1.3-dev) |
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| 11:15.03 | anaheydra | hello everyone |
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| 11:16.17 | pasiz | hello anaheydra |
| 11:16.34 | anaheydra | pasiz, i have a wifi problem |
| 11:16.39 | scoobertron | I seem to have a physical volume in my lvm setup that is not fully used. pvs shows PFree of nearly 15G. Can I reclaim this? Trying to vgextend the existing volume group complains that the pv is already in the volume group |
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| 11:24.00 | anaheydra | how to get wifi modem drivers in debian? |
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| 11:24.37 | dangelov | hi. What's the safest/recommended way to install python3.8 on Debian Buster? Looks like the latest version available via apt is 3.7.3 |
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| 11:25.04 | dangelov | some googling reveals pyenv and/or compiling from source - are those my only options? |
| 11:26.26 | scoobertron | not sure if there is another way, but I've found pyenv to be very straightforward - particularly if you might want to use a few different specific python versions in the future |
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| 11:33.32 | SimonNL_Afk | I'm hoping that someone in here has some time left to help anaheydra with his issue I have tried my best but I'm finding to much differences between debian and ubuntu mint to proceed |
| 11:33.56 | SimonNL_Afk | here is some info I gathered http://paste.debian.net/1135823/ http://paste.debian.net/1135821/ http://dpaste.com/27VXE9F |
| 11:34.10 | SimonNL_Afk | anaheydra, good luck again |
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| 11:34.27 | SimonNL_Afk | really Afk now |
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| 11:37.29 | anaheydra | SimonNL_Afk, thanks again, and farewell |
| 11:37.39 | han-solo | dangelov: pyenv is fine |
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| 11:39.20 | han-solo | dangelov: but since you won't be needing to manage multiple pythons ( i assume ), you can just compile from source ? |
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| 11:55.10 | lembron | did anything happen tonight? 2-3 h ago ive got apt failures everywhere with "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/buster/updates/InRelease Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111: Connection refused)" -- and that 127.0.0.1 is certainly kinda wrong there :P |
| 11:55.57 | joepublic | 127.0.0.1 is nature's way of saying "nah, it's just you" |
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| 11:59.29 | kats99 | Do I need nvidia drivers if I wanna make use of vdpau? Doesn't nouveau support it? |
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| 12:02.31 | phogg | kats99: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ |
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| 12:16.28 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm able to catpure what I'm reproducing with mplayer to a file. Now my question is if it's possible to stream sound withouth any physical sound card. Thanks |
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| 12:41.25 | valdyn | caraconan: what is it that you call 'stream'? |
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| 12:49.19 | terr__ | I have a shell scripts problem. c="echo hi";$c works. in a script (bash) export c="echo hi" does set the variable inside the script - but it is NOT export(ed) |
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| 12:50.16 | ayekat | terr__: are you sure it's not exported, or have you misunderstood what "exporting" means there? |
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| 12:52.07 | phogg | terr__: export only makes the variable available in the environment of child processes. Nothing can modify the environment of the parent. But, you might be wanting to source the script instead of executing it--in which case exporting is not required. |
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| 12:52.23 | terr__ | ayekat, I may have forgotten. I know what I want it to do. I have done it before. But I've not done this for like 10 years |
| 12:52.50 | terr__ | ah! |
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| 12:52.57 | terr__ | that is how I did it before. |
| 12:53.07 | terr__ | source ./blah |
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| 12:53.54 | terr__ | Yuppers. That did it. |
| 12:54.36 | terr__ | then I go test it - commend not found! why? I type in c$ instead of $c |
| 12:55.12 | mms_ | I am thinking that its will be easier to use gparted live to clone my hdd debian partition to ssd partition as the debian installer is not yet upgraded for msi x370 gaming pro. |
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| 12:58.19 | kats99 | I installed the firmware mentioned here https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/ I still get the same error |
| 12:58.46 | kats99 | Error: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 13:00.19 | valdyn | kats99: this file is for intel graphics, the site you are liking to is for nvidia graphics |
| 13:00.39 | valdyn | kats99: what do you really have? |
| 13:00.51 | kats99 | oh sorry.. |
| 13:00.56 | kats99 | What do you mean |
| 13:01.18 | valdyn | kats99: what vendor is your graphics chip from? |
| 13:01.34 | kats99 | Nvidia |
| 13:02.00 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:02.30 | valdyn | kats99: vor video acceleration you would need to proprietary nvidia driver probably |
| 13:02.35 | kats99 | I broke my system several times insstalling nvidia so im using nouveau |
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| 13:03.26 | kats99 | Is there no other way other than installing nvidia driver? |
| 13:03.39 | valdyn | kats99: yea, seems like it |
| 13:03.58 | valdyn | kats99: vdpau-driver-all should be installed |
| 13:04.00 | joepublic | what nvidia card do you have? |
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| 13:06.31 | kats99 | GF108M [GeForce GT 525M] |
| 13:07.04 | kats99 | vdpau-driver-all is installed |
| 13:07.18 | kats99 | already |
| 13:08.09 | diogenes_ | kats99, ask in: /j #nouveau |
| 13:08.36 | kats99 | yep I did. Waiting for an answer |
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| 13:09.50 | dff | how can i remove all these packages with a single command? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e43dc4f8/ |
| 13:10.25 | dff | the obvious target being "pantheon+buster+juno1" |
| 13:10.31 | diogenes_ | kats99, pastebin: vdpauinfo |
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| 13:13.04 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135845/ |
| 13:15.00 | diogenes_ | kats99, now: VDPAU_DRIVER=nouveau vdpauinfo |
| 13:15.42 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135846/ |
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| 13:17.28 | diogenes_ | kats99, try this: http://dpaste.com/3DAVKY4 |
| 13:18.00 | kats99 | I get a secure connection failed |
| 13:18.04 | diogenes_ | but at your own risk, though nothing bad should happen. |
| 13:20.16 | kats99 | umm..the website isn't opening. |
| 13:20.34 | pasiz | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869815 |
| 13:20.35 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/869815 in libvdpau1 (open): «libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory»; severity: important; opened: 2017-07-26; last modified: 2019-02-09. |
| 13:20.47 | pasiz | just that |
| 13:21.02 | kats99 | oh ok |
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| 13:23.08 | mms_ | jelly: I am thinking that its will be easier to use gparted live to clone my hdd debian partition to ssd partition as the debian installer is not yet upgraded for msi x370 gaming pro. |
| 13:23.39 | kats99 | It suggests me to install vdpau-va-driver libvdpau-va-gl1. I'll reboot and check |
| 13:24.19 | pasiz | mms_: could you specify what you mean |
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| 13:27.42 | mms_ | pasiz: the debian installers are not yet having firmware may be due to which after main menu it gives me blurred thick lined screens. I am in process to use ssd instead of hdd. the hdd boot to debian fine with mobo msi x370 gaming pro and ryzen 5 2400g but installer seems to be having issue. so I am thinking to use gparted line just to clone the hdd debian to ssd and then manually install grub on ssd |
| 13:27.48 | mms_ | again using gparted live. |
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| 13:28.32 | kats99 | I get the same vdpauinfo error messages |
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| 13:31.23 | diogenes_ | kats99, lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3 |
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| 13:31.30 | diogenes_ | pastebin. |
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| 13:32.57 | pasiz | mms_: debian have same installer text based, how that would be bad |
| 13:33.09 | mms_ | pasiz: that also did not work |
| 13:33.31 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135848/ |
| 13:33.34 | mms_ | pasiz: I tried even non-free iso both behave same |
| 13:33.42 | pasiz | mms_: blurred thick lined screens? |
| 13:33.49 | mms_ | pasiz: yes |
| 13:33.55 | mms_ | pasiz: screen |
| 13:34.21 | mms_ | pasiz: it gives screen with blurred horizotal thick lines as if the gui is distored |
| 13:34.30 | diogenes_ | kats99, VDPAU_DRIVER=nouveau DRI_PRIME=1 vdpauinfo |
| 13:34.31 | mms_ | distorted |
| 13:34.33 | pasiz | gui? i suggested ncurses |
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| 13:34.52 | pasiz | or do you mean grub menu? |
| 13:35.07 | mms_ | pasiz: I choose debian graphical installer menu item and also just debian install |
| 13:35.28 | mms_ | pasiz: no debian live I tried |
| 13:35.31 | pasiz | debian text based installer doesn't initiate xserver |
| 13:35.42 | mms_ | pasiz: I also tried the network boot install iso |
| 13:35.58 | mms_ | pasiz: also the some which are 2.8G |
| 13:36.08 | huma | nkuttler, ksk: eventually, i upgraded debian 6 to 7, which solved my issue - specifically, tls 1.2 support :) |
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| 13:36.18 | kats99 | https://paste.debian.net/1135850/ |
| 13:36.33 | mms_ | so I am thinking to just clone hdd partition to ssd partition |
| 13:36.55 | mms_ | then use gparted live to install grub |
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| 13:38.09 | diogenes_ | kats99, so al is well. |
| 13:38.19 | diogenes_ | all* |
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| 13:38.48 | watom | huma why are you on ancient debian? :o |
| 13:38.51 | kats99 | Do I have to reboot now to get rid of the errors? |
| 13:39.01 | pasiz | mms_: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.3.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:39.05 | pasiz | there you go |
| 13:39.53 | diogenes_ | kats99, what errors? |
| 13:40.11 | kats99 | Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_i965.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:41.07 | mms_ | pasiz: I already tried non-free |
| 13:41.07 | pasiz | kats99: that was your first error |
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| 13:41.23 | pasiz | mms_: and you cannot use text installer from that |
| 13:41.40 | pasiz | that does NOT initiate x session |
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| 13:41.58 | pasiz | if graphics is your problem |
| 13:41.59 | mms_ | pasiz: sorry I did not try one you said. I had tried one that was 2.8G |
| 13:42.17 | kats99 | pasiz, I'm sorry. I didn't get you. |
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| 13:42.22 | mms_ | let me try yours |
| 13:42.30 | mms_ | its small just 377M |
| 13:42.31 | pasiz | you tried LIVE, installer is installer, live is live |
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| 13:42.55 | mms_ | pasiz: I tried both live and installer (but one on debian page) |
| 13:43.04 | diogenes_ | kats99, you got optimus system with 2 GPUs intel+nvidia and that error occurs only when you run it on intel one. |
| 13:43.17 | pasiz | mms_: the one i linked includes non-free firmwares |
| 13:43.39 | mms_ | pasiz: yes there was another link some one gave which was 2.8G on same non-free site |
| 13:43.43 | mms_ | let me give you name of ile |
| 13:43.46 | kats99 | Oh.. |
| 13:44.02 | mms_ | debian-live-10.3.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree |
| 13:44.12 | pasiz | mms_: live, not installer |
| 13:44.20 | pasiz | try it and be amazed |
| 13:44.39 | mms_ | pasiz: yes now I will try the installer you said firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:44.49 | mms_ | pasiz: ya ? |
| 13:44.58 | pasiz | yes |
| 13:45.03 | mms_ | ok let me download |
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| 13:49.25 | kats99 | ok then, thank you for the help. Maybe I should start thinking about using nvidia |
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| 13:51.45 | huma | watom: an old box that just works :) well, until chrome 81 came out and depricated tls 1.0 and 1.1 |
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| 13:52.19 | watom | huma firefox depecrated even 1.2 |
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| 13:57.04 | huma | watom: nope, 1.2 is good |
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| 13:57.49 | watom | huma they reverted the change since COVID19 |
| 13:58.03 | watom | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/74.0/releasenote |
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| 14:00.53 | huma | watom: yea, makes sense |
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| 14:01.51 | mms_ | pasiz: did not work |
| 14:02.03 | mms_ | pasiz: tried both graphical and install both same result |
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| 14:03.58 | karlpinc | mms_: What is the result? |
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| 14:04.43 | karlpinc | mms_: How are you writing the iso? |
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| 14:05.36 | mms_ | karlpinc: rufus dd |
| 14:05.44 | pasiz | mms_: use copy if you have |
| 14:05.46 | pasiz | linux |
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| 14:05.59 | karlpinc | !rufus |
| 14:05.59 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 14:06.01 | mms_ | karlpinc: I have tried win32 also as suc in past |
| 14:06.20 | mms_ | karlpinc: yes I did in dd mode |
| 14:06.35 | karlpinc | mms_: Humm. You get the same result with win32diskimager? |
| 14:06.40 | mms_ | karlpinc: yes |
| 14:06.53 | watom | rufu in dd mode works fine |
| 14:06.58 | mms_ | karlpinc: I did not try today for iso that pasiz said but yesterday for other ones |
| 14:07.00 | karlpinc | mms_: _Your problem is a "blurry"-ish screen? |
| 14:07.05 | mms_ | karlpinc: yes |
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| 14:07.46 | mms_ | karlpinc: when I choose non graphical install and hit enter enter I can see its moving to other screen and going things |
| 14:07.50 | karlpinc | mms_: I'm wondering if there's not a kernel command line mode you should be setting to control the video... Are you using text or graphical install? |
| 14:08.02 | mms_ | karlpinc: I did both |
| 14:08.06 | karlpinc | mms_: So the text install is blurry to? |
| 14:08.12 | mms_ | karlpinc: yes |
| 14:08.30 | karlpinc | mms_: Let me look for a sec.... |
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| 14:09.24 | mms_ | karlpinc: ok |
| 14:09.35 | mms_ | the gparted live site is so slow |
| 14:09.44 | mms_ | its downloading very slow |
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| 14:10.06 | mms_ | sourcforge site |
| 14:10.45 | mms_ | karlpinc: msi x370 gaming pro + ryzen 5 2400g is my h/w |
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| 14:14.02 | karlpinc | mms_: Looking around at the kernel parameter documentation. I see a kernel parameter of "vga=normal" that could, possibly, be passed to the kernel when you boot the installer. There are a number of other kernel parameters that might help. Dunno. |
| 14:14.12 | karlpinc | mms_: Don't really have time to look around now. |
| 14:14.41 | karlpinc | mms_: When was this hardware built/designed? How new is it? |
| 14:15.40 | mms_ | karlpinc: ok using the usb installer is there option to choose to pass kernel paramger ? |
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| 14:15.50 | huma | watom: deprecating tls 1.2 is tough. openssl 1.1.1 is available since buster. you'd have to be really up to date. |
| 14:16.11 | watom | huma i misread. 1.2 still available |
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| 14:16.59 | karlpinc | mms_: When the stick boots you have choices if you read the screen. That should be before linux even starts. Can you see the initial screen or does grub not work? |
| 14:17.34 | mms_ | karlpinc: I see main menu |
| 14:17.35 | watom | huma but why you don't upgrade to a supported debian? :p |
| 14:18.01 | mms_ | karlpinc: on that I will see if any thing I can see I remember install and graphical but others I never check |
| 14:18.53 | karlpinc | mms_: There's a "help" or something at the bottom of the screen. I forget. |
| 14:19.03 | mms_ | karlpinc: ok |
| 14:19.14 | karlpinc | mms_: So, how new? |
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| 14:20.40 | mms_ | karlpinc: I got it from them 2 months back |
| 14:20.52 | mms_ | karlpinc: it has latest bios |
| 14:21.09 | mms_ | karlpinc: the model I do not know how new let me cehck on their site |
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| 14:22.38 | huma | watom: well, didn't have time, i guess :) it's been working as is on its on for many years |
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| 14:24.03 | pasiz | mms_: what is your display adapter |
| 14:24.38 | mms_ | pasiz: integrated |
| 14:24.47 | karlpinc | pasiz: I'm thinking try to get the pciid of the display adapter (maybe from a vt in the installer) and asking judd with ",pciid xxxxxx" in the channel. |
| 14:24.47 | mms_ | pasiz: I do not have any card |
| 14:25.26 | mms_ | let me try also vga=normal |
| 14:25.29 | mms_ | I will be back |
| 14:26.05 | joepublic | "I do not have any card, just normal vga" |
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| 14:30.09 | pasiz | how many cards Integrated (r) manufactures / year |
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| 14:35.53 | pasiz | so radeon vega it is |
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| 14:40.24 | blackest_mamba | Can any one help with an apt update issue? |
| 14:40.28 | blackest_mamba | I'm on 10.3 |
| 14:40.53 | blackest_mamba | and for the last few weeks, whenever I do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade it show 0 packages for upgrade |
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| 14:41.01 | blackest_mamba | that can't be right |
| 14:41.40 | Alexandr0s | sources list is buster ? |
| 14:41.46 | blackest_mamba | It is |
| 14:41.50 | blackest_mamba | I'll post it |
| 14:41.56 | Alexandr0s | this is the stable version |
| 14:42.12 | blackest_mamba | https://pastebin.com/DkC4uMGH |
| 14:42.25 | Alexandr0s | so you don't have |
| 14:42.32 | Alexandr0s | is right |
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| 14:43.04 | blackest_mamba | cat /etc/debian_version: 10.3 |
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| 14:44.02 | Alexandr0s | if you run apt update and you see this "Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:44.02 | Alexandr0s | Building dependency tree |
| 14:44.02 | Alexandr0s | Reading state information... Done |
| 14:44.02 | Alexandr0s | All packages are up to date." |
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| 14:44.08 | Alexandr0s | then you are all right |
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| 14:44.28 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 14:44.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:44.38 | petn-randall | Ah, they didn't rejoin. |
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| 14:45.10 | Alexandr0s | sorry |
| 14:45.18 | blackest_mamba | https://pastebin.com/7kEngfde |
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| 14:45.47 | blackest_mamba | that's what I see...but it's been weeks since any packages were updated...that can't be right unless I'm somehow on the wrong sources list or I don't have everything listed |
| 14:46.15 | Alexandr0s | do you have only the main sources ? |
| 14:46.30 | blackest_mamba | Alexandr0s: https://pastebin.com/DkC4uMGH |
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| 14:47.44 | Alexandr0s | you don't have the nonfree |
| 14:47.49 | Alexandr0s | so you are ok |
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| 14:48.09 | Alexandr0s | if you complete nonfree maybe you'll have some updates |
| 14:49.39 | joepublic | what does "if you complete nonfree" even mean |
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| 14:51.07 | Alexandr0s | main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.39 | blackest_mamba | I changed it to this: |
| 14:51.39 | blackest_mamba | https://pastebin.com/X0zzsAAf |
| 14:51.50 | blackest_mamba | still it shows absolutely nothing for upgrade... |
| 14:51.54 | blackest_mamba | I find that hard to believe |
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| 14:53.31 | NCS_One | hi |
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| 14:54.18 | Alexandr0s | https://pastebin.com/0MeUSAXp |
| 14:54.22 | Alexandr0s | this is mine |
| 14:54.24 | NCS_One | I just did a `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`, is there a way to check if every thing went ok? |
| 14:54.30 | joepublic | what benefit to adding non-free sources, unless you want to install non-free software? how are they going to suggest upgrades for free software already installed? |
| 14:55.10 | joepublic | NCS_One, any blue smoke coming out? Wildlife in the area acting strangely? Any error message(s)? |
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| 14:56.28 | NCS_One | joepublic: when doing doint the `dist-upgrade` I got some missings about nvidia, but after th restart every thing seams ok |
| 14:56.51 | joepublic | that "everything seems okay" is a very good sign if your graphics are working. |
| 14:56.58 | NCS_One | lol |
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| 15:04.11 | cuco | hi, I am running buster on a digital ocean droplet and I cannot update. apt fails to find the ip. If i edit /etc/hosts with the correct address, apt connects. Any idea how to fix? |
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| 15:06.52 | jhutchins | cuco: Sounds like you fixed it. |
| 15:07.09 | jhutchins | cuco: You might contact DO support for an explanation. |
| 15:07.38 | dob1 | dns ? |
| 15:07.52 | dob1 | cuco, check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:09.07 | jhutchins | resolv.conf will be getting updated from dhcp. You want to work _with_ Digital Ocean to figure out why the repos aren't resolving, and what they mean for you to use to update. |
| 15:09.09 | cuco | dob1: yea, google's dns. |
| 15:09.36 | jhutchins | cuco: They may have specially built kernels or modules that are required to work with their system. |
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| 15:25.28 | jhutchins | I'd like to have a browser on my main TV, but I only have two inputs. |
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| 15:38.30 | bachler | I have a curious problem that I have been trying to diagnose. I am running buster. Thunderbird does not want to retreive emails and just keeps asking me for my password over and over again when I check the use passwordmanager to save my passwords checkbox. If I don not check that box, then it works fine. Trouble is, I need to enter my passwords next time I start thunderbird. I have been trying to start |
| 15:38.36 | bachler | thunderbird --verbose in a terminal, but I see no information about not being able to connect to my keyring or anything like this. I am running gnome-keyring-daemon, this is used for Nextcloud, and is working fine there. I am not sure how to proceed to troubleshoot this. |
| 15:39.26 | bachler | Any suggestion are appriciated |
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| 15:41.07 | dangelov | han-solo: gotcha - so no prepackaged/pre-compiled option available at the moment? (eg: any ppa i can add?) |
| 15:41.27 | dangelov | since I replied late, this is about python 3.8 on buster |
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| 15:45.30 | han-solo | dangelov: maybe some deadsnake maybe aavilable, but i compile from source always |
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| 15:46.10 | jhutchins | bachler: Sounds like you might have saved a bad/old password. |
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| 15:47.23 | bachler | jhutchins: ok, I see no thunderbird related stuff in seahorse. Where does thunderbird actually try to save passwords? How can I view them? |
| 15:49.10 | dangelov | han-solo: gotcha. Alright, thanks! |
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| 15:51.36 | bachler | ok, looks like there are a few secrets store in the moz_logins table in the signons.sqlite file in my current thunderbird profile. Im going to try to just temporarily rename this signons.sqlite file and see if that solves my issue. |
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| 15:55.01 | bachler | nope, still getting the same issue |
| 15:55.10 | watom | did anyone manage to start a systemd service as user? |
| 15:55.40 | watom | i get a dbus error. it's common on the net but i still can't fix. i mean services in your home that you start with systemctl --user start |
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| 16:10.04 | bachler | deleting the pkcs11.txt file in my profile did the trick. |
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| 16:19.17 | jovir | How can I start XFCE4 from within Xorg? |
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| 16:21.07 | Caspan | Hey guys trying to set the permissions from /var/www/site.com properly and was curious about a few things |
| 16:21.44 | Caspan | apache runs as www-data and my user MasterFTP that I sFTP in with home directory is /var/www |
| 16:22.07 | Caspan | everythign works okay but when i upload new files they are all owned by my MasterFTP user |
| 16:22.26 | Caspan | which I would this is proper |
| 16:22.29 | Caspan | think* |
| 16:23.31 | Caspan | when www-data access the files should they be doing it as the owner, group or as world? |
| 16:23.53 | Caspan | i am assuming it should be accessing it world user |
| 16:24.20 | Caspan | so the 3rd bit has to be 5 for reading or 7 for writable ie 775 or 777? |
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| 16:30.00 | kreyren | How do i get nogroup on debian? |
| 16:30.19 | kreyren | is using LFS and it requires nogroup group where only user is defined |
| 16:30.39 | kreyren | ah nwm it has it im blind |
| 16:30.49 | greatgatsby | Caspan, 777 is almost always the wrong thing to do. I'm really thinking way back to my wordpress days, but you likely want to control access via groups. You can set the group sticky bit for a directory with chmod g+s <some_directory> such that all files/dirs created within it have the same group as some_dir. |
| 16:31.57 | Caspan | greatgatsby, thanks for the reply... so question should apache www-data have access to the files via owner or group or should it be accessing them anonymously ? |
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| 16:33.21 | Caspan | im also thinking back to my hosting days and from what i remember apache was never an owner or part of the group that had access to the files it always used the world bit xx# to determine its access to the file |
| 16:33.23 | greatgatsby | you'll need to decide what the "base" group will be, probably www-data. So then you could chown root:www-data everything in your document root, and set it up so only users in the www-data group can write there, or however strict you want the permissions to be |
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| 16:33.38 | greatgatsby | again, I haven't done this stuff in years, but I can tell you 777 is not correct :-) |
| 16:33.44 | Caspan | hehe |
| 16:33.49 | Caspan | i agree |
| 16:34.31 | greatgatsby | well, you probably don't want the world bit, as that opening up those files to anybody on the system. The apache service absolutely needs to read and possibly write to the document root. |
| 16:35.10 | Caspan | so the world bit shoudl really be 0 on the whole folder |
| 16:35.25 | Caspan | and do a stickey bit on the group |
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| 16:35.54 | Caspan | does not matter who the owner is as long as www-data group has access |
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| 16:36.02 | greatgatsby | this seems to do something like I'm describing, but they create a new common group I think: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2014/05/proper-wordpress-filesystem-permissions-ownerships/ |
| 16:36.10 | greatgatsby | yeah, by group, not owner |
| 16:36.16 | Caspan | okay |
| 16:36.33 | Caspan | thanks |
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| 16:36.48 | greatgatsby | np - hope it helps, but again, this is info from way back in the brain |
| 16:36.53 | Caspan | just want to make sure my thinking is not out to lunch completely |
| 16:37.13 | Caspan | problem is /var/www is the MasterFTP users home directory |
| 16:37.26 | Caspan | so i have that root:MasterFTP |
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| 16:37.38 | Caspan | so that it can create new folders in there |
| 16:38.09 | karlpinc | Caspan: You probably want the upg idiom. |
| 16:38.10 | karlpinc | !upg |
| 16:38.11 | dpkg | [user private groups] a system configuration idiom which allows users to collaborate by granting shared access to a directory and its content. Access is controlled by associating each collaborative project team with a Un*x group and then granting Un*x group membership to the userids of the designated project members. http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups |
| 16:38.11 | Caspan | then the sites them self would be owner:www-data as the owners |
| 16:38.45 | greatgatsby | thanks karlpinc, I'm a bit outside of my wheelhouse here |
| 16:38.48 | karlpinc | RH has a good article on upg, as do some others. The debian wiki page has degraded. |
| 16:38.54 | Caspan | cool |
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| 16:40.48 | karlpinc | Probably want to add the line "session optional pam_umask.so usergroups" to /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 16:40.49 | Caspan | if i set the sticky bit on /var/www/site.com then all folders made inside this fould should have the sticky bit also set to the same correct |
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| 16:41.10 | Caspan | and newly created folder that is |
| 16:41.13 | Caspan | any* |
| 16:41.29 | karlpinc | Caspan: Yes. But that does not help with making the folders/files group writable. For that you need the right umask. |
| 16:41.35 | Caspan | yep |
| 16:41.53 | Caspan | and umask is system wide right? |
| 16:42.05 | Caspan | I cant set it for a certain directoy and its children? |
| 16:42.13 | karlpinc | Caspan: umask is per-process. But is normally initialized per-login. |
| 16:42.21 | Caspan | ok |
| 16:42.38 | Caspan | so my MasterFTP user can have a umask set for him |
| 16:42.56 | Caspan | so all files created by that users are set to this umask |
| 16:43.29 | karlpinc | Caspan: Yes. Or just set the umask for all users -- and be sure each user has their own group which is their default group. This group setup is the default for debian so should not be an issue. |
| 16:43.43 | Caspan | perfect |
| 16:43.51 | Caspan | this makes more sense |
| 16:44.20 | karlpinc | Caspan: Then just add your users that you want to be "part of the team" to www-data (or whatever group). |
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| 16:44.42 | Caspan | so www-data is the group on everything inside /var/www/site.com |
| 16:44.50 | Caspan | my MasterFTP user is part of that group |
| 16:44.54 | karlpinc | Caspan: Yes. |
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| 16:45.00 | Caspan | all files created would be 750 |
| 16:45.23 | Caspan | or 755 how ever tight i want it |
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| 16:45.58 | Caspan | and if the file or folder needs to be writable by www-data then use 770 or 775 |
| 16:46.00 | karlpinc | Caspan: You want it group writable, so x6x, at least. |
| 16:47.05 | karlpinc | Caspan: The usual umask is 002, so that turns off writable for "other", but not group. |
| 16:47.15 | Caspan | why would i want apache to have writable |
| 16:47.29 | Caspan | i would only set that on certain files and folder that it has to have access to no? |
| 16:47.31 | karlpinc | Caspan: (Actually without upg the umask is 022.) |
| 16:48.25 | karlpinc | Caspan: You won't want apache to be writable. You may want a different group than www-data, and set the "other" permissions to read/no-write/no-execute for files and read/no-write/execute for directories. |
| 16:48.26 | Caspan | If i unload the files using MasterFTP they will be the owner of the files so he will have 7 access to everything |
| 16:48.37 | Caspan | ahh okay |
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| 16:49.41 | karlpinc | Caspan: The whole point is to not have a single "master" account that multiple people have to use. The point is to have individual users each have their own account and be able to all read/write to "shared" areas of the fs. |
| 16:50.08 | Caspan | correct |
| 16:50.18 | Caspan | so www-data they would need to be a member of |
| 16:50.24 | karlpinc | Caspan: If you're going to have only 1 account (which is bad to share among people) you don't need the upg idiom at all. |
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| 16:50.42 | Caspan | ok |
| 16:50.55 | Caspan | i think I am just over thinking this to be honest |
| 16:51.07 | karlpinc | Caspan: Yes. (Although, as mentioned, apache is a member of www-data (I think) and it's bad to allow the webserver to write files, usually. So you might want a different group.) |
| 16:51.15 | Caspan | I jsut need to make sure that files created by www-data I have access to and files I upload www-data has access to |
| 16:51.26 | greatgatsby | karlpinc, sorry if I missed this, was just reading. So should the umask of any users be modified to 002 while they are interacting with this shared data? |
| 16:52.15 | karlpinc | greatgatsby: The umask of all users can be 0002 all the time -- so long as they have their own groups and their "private" group is their default. |
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| 16:53.48 | karlpinc | greatgatsby: Any file a user changes to the group of a "shared group" can then be manipulated by all members of the group. (And the sticky bit lets this propagate to new files and new folders and their content.) |
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| 16:54.46 | karlpinc | Caspan: Usually nothing wrong with letting files that are readable by apache be readable by anybody. So apache can see the files by being "other" and not by any special group membership. |
| 16:55.00 | karlpinc | Caspan: (FWIW, I find nginx much easier to deal with than apache.) |
| 16:55.06 | greatgatsby | I see. What about using setfacl on the directory? |
| 16:55.26 | Caspan | karlpinc, I agree i am just gettign back into lamp stuff |
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| 16:55.37 | karlpinc | greatgatsby: All this can be done with acls too. But then you need to deal with acls, including when backing things up. |
| 16:55.39 | Caspan | playing around and making sure i understand for hosting my own sites |
| 16:55.51 | killall | hello, does debian 10 come with alsa or pulse? |
| 16:55.54 | Caspan | using Google App engine also to get away from this stuff :) |
| 16:56.11 | karlpinc | Caspan: (If you're going to go full-stack, I much prefer postgresql to mysql/mariadb.) |
| 16:56.13 | greatgatsby | karlpinc, ok - thanks a lot for the info. Even though it wasn't for me, I like having some idea of problems I might face myself in the future. |
| 16:56.27 | Caspan | karlpinc, I am using Google Cloud SQL |
| 16:56.46 | greatgatsby | karlpinc, yeah, I'm using Docker pretty much exclusively, so I largely ignore these issues (for better or worse) |
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| 16:56.52 | Caspan | again just playing with the new stuff to see what it is capable of |
| 16:57.32 | killall | my connection was lost due to crash of xchat. Caspan was the answer for me? |
| 16:57.44 | Caspan | no |
| 16:58.11 | Caspan | i dont answer here, i only ask :) |
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| 17:03.29 | jhutchins | killall: pulseaudio runs on top of alsa. |
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| 17:05.16 | killall | jhutchins, ok thanks. im trying to setup a sound card for rivendell audio and no luck |
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| 17:59.30 | jhutchins | killall: What release are you installing on? |
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| 18:01.04 | killall | jhutchins, buster |
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| 18:03.46 | jhutchins | What step are you stuck on? |
| 18:04.15 | killall | it detects the card but i cannot find the outputs |
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| 18:05.27 | jhutchins | Is the card on the HCL? |
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| 18:05.41 | killall | hcl? what is that?= |
| 18:06.07 | jhutchins | http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/index.php/Hardware_Compatibility_Lists |
| 18:07.43 | killall | no :/ |
| 18:08.24 | jhutchins | http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/index.php/Documentation |
| 18:08.37 | killall | thks |
| 18:08.42 | jhutchins | This is not a simple thing to set up or run, I would expect to do a LOT of reading. |
| 18:10.04 | jhutchins | I would expect a streaming program to use a sound card's _inputs_, not outputs. |
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| 18:10.46 | killall | audio out and in yes |
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| 18:13.58 | jhutchins | There appears to be an ALSA document in the locally installed docs, that would be a place to look. You might have to stop/remove pulse. |
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| 18:33.46 | NetTerminalGene | guys, i installed deluge. it came with lots of python packages. after that youtube-dl broke. it doesn't download video. i can't update it. youtube-dl -U gives me "ERROR: no write permissions on /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl" |
| 18:34.05 | NetTerminalGene | what should i do |
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| 18:39.04 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
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| 18:40.13 | annadane | hello Klaus_Dieter |
| 18:40.20 | annadane | and i'm sure the rest of the world has similar sentiments |
| 18:41.12 | annadane | apt show deluge shows: Depends: python:any (>= 2.5~), python-libtorrent (>= 0.14.9), deluge-gtk (= 1.3.15-2) |
| 18:41.19 | annadane | weird that it could break stuff like that |
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| 18:56.55 | OS-59684 | #offsec |
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| 18:59.49 | karlpinc | NetTerminalGene: Sounds like you're trying to install youtube-dl as a regular user but previously it was installed by root? |
| 19:00.22 | karlpinc | NetTerminalGene: Might want to look a the permissions on the various files to see who has what permissions. |
| 19:02.01 | NetTerminalGene | karlpinc, oh my! i can't believe i didn't realize i didn't use root. yeah after using root i could install |
| 19:02.05 | NetTerminalGene | thanks |
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| 19:10.44 | noln | NetTerminalGene, youtube-dl -U is disabled in debian anyway. Install with pip per https://askubuntu.com/a/405807 |
| 19:11.25 | NetTerminalGene | noln, i downloaded it from git instructions. it works now |
| 19:11.32 | annadane | if it's in /usr/local then it means he did install it outside of apt |
| 19:11.33 | karlpinc | Right. I forgot. Better choice. |
| 19:11.52 | NetTerminalGene | debian one is not working anymore |
| 19:12.02 | annadane | debian one basically never works |
| 19:12.14 | annadane | unless you're using sid |
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| 20:02.01 | caray | anyone familiar with ktorrent? |
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| 20:02.45 | caray | i cant figure out how to select specific files within the torrent |
| 20:03.06 | noln | #kde |
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| 20:04.22 | caray | good idea |
| 20:05.38 | noln | #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net also |
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| 20:06.21 | caray | oftc what |
| 20:06.58 | noln | you're on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:07.19 | Unit193 | OFTC is the Debian IRC network, or rather the network most Debian channels are on. |
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| 20:16.53 | uniqdom | Hello, I was asked to setup a second WAN network. Primary is eth0, secondary is ppp0 (modem over wvdial). As primary is eth0, whenever it loses Internet access ppp0 is started. When ppp0 is running, how can I know if eth0 has Internet access again? |
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| 20:17.41 | Twemlow | http://www.microtek.com/search.php?word=%3Cscript%3Edocument.body.background=%22https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/be/8a/14/be8a14f8384fc07eb30aa7c12c5c83ca.jpg%22;%3C/script%3E |
| 20:17.57 | karlpinc | uniqdom: ping -I |
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| 20:19.18 | karlpinc | uniqdom: Of course the best approach depends on how you know eth0 is down. |
| 20:19.43 | uniqdom | For now, I'm just pinging 8.8.8.8 |
| 20:21.37 | uniqdom | I tried with ping -I earlier and I think that it worked, but now it isn't, maybe I messed the routes or something else, I will start again (reboot). |
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| 20:33.09 | uniqdom | Ok, it is woking only if I remove cable A, but no cable B, the setup is as follow: (Internet) <--A--> (home router 192.168.1.1) <--B--> (device 192.168.1.24) |
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| 20:35.37 | uniqdom | If I remove cable A, then eth0 in device still exists. If I replug the cable, ping -I eth0 works while ppp0 is working. so I can detect that and kill ppp0 and eth0 is primary again. |
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| 20:37.13 | uniqdom | If I remove cable B and after a while I replug it, then ping -I eth0 is not working. |
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| 20:38.41 | uniqdom | even more, if I kill wvdial (ppp0 down), ping 8.8.8.8 is not working. |
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| 20:40.47 | uniqdom | I had to add a route rule to let eth0 reach the gateway again |
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| 20:56.28 | Plasmoduck | Hi, ive downloaded the net install and flashed it to usb and also the cd xfce, it keeps asking me fore a cdrom drive (my system doesn't have one) and to load drivers, if I skip it, I cant install the system. Why cant I skip it? The usb shoukld have all the required files to install the system |
| 20:57.57 | petn-randall | Plasmoduck: What tool did you use to create the USB image? |
| 20:58.02 | Plasmoduck | It goes to the debian installer main menu, aferer detct and moiunt cd-rom there is load installler components from cd, change debconf priority check the cd-roms integrity, save logs, execute a shell or abord |
| 20:58.09 | Plasmoduck | balena etcher |
| 20:58.53 | Plasmoduck | It boots to Graphical Install, Install etc |
| 20:58.54 | petn-randall | Plasmoduck: Check the instructions on the Debian site, your issue is related to using balena. |
| 20:59.26 | Plasmoduck | So I should use dd? |
| 20:59.27 | petn-randall | Plasmoduck: You should be using `cp debian.iso /dev/sdX` on Linux/Mac OS, and win32diskimager for Windows. |
| 20:59.53 | petn-randall | dd also works, might be a bit slower though, and more importantly, involves more typing ;). |
| 21:02.13 | Plasmoduck | Cheers mate |
| 21:02.49 | Plasmoduck | cp: debian-10.3.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso: could not copy extended attributes to /dev/disk2: Operation not permitted |
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| 21:05.11 | Enissay | I am migrating a server with rutorrent/rtorrent, is there a way to backup the non started files with their labels ? |
| 21:06.51 | somiaj | Plasmoduck: that is weired, it is almost acting as if /dev/disk2 is a filesystem not a device |
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| 21:07.57 | somiaj | Plasmoduck: ls /dev/disk2 (dose it show some directory with the debian.iso in it? |
| 21:08.28 | Plasmoduck | no |
| 21:08.53 | somiaj | hmm, I am seeing that is just a warning. Not sure why osx is trying to copy filesystem attributes to that device, but it might have done the copy just fine and gave you a warning. |
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| 21:09.48 | somiaj | seems there is a -X option, to not copy extended attributes, you could try that if that was more than a warning. |
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| 21:10.53 | kikoufroy | Hi |
| 21:11.14 | kikoufroy | anyone know a distro based on debian with realtime kernel ? |
| 21:12.11 | somiaj | debian has a realtime kernel, but we often don't know much about stuff that is based on debian. |
| 21:12.17 | somiaj | (it isn't default, but debian provides -rt kernels) |
| 21:12.54 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 21:12.54 | kikoufroy | yeah rt kernel |
| 21:12.55 | judd | Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u3; buster-backports: 5.4.13-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.19-1; sid: 5.4.19-1 |
| 21:12.57 | somiaj | ,i linux-image-rt-amd64 |
| 21:12.58 | judd | Package linux-image-rt-amd64 (kernel, optional) in buster/amd64: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package), PREEMPT_RT. Version: 4.19+105+deb10u3; Size: 8.0k; Installed: 17k |
| 21:13.10 | kikoufroy | oh ok |
| 21:13.21 | kikoufroy | so i'm not on the real debian, i'm on sparkylinux |
| 21:13.38 | somiaj | then you should aks sparkylinux support what they provide |
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| 21:13.42 | somiaj | !sparkylinux |
| 21:13.43 | dpkg | SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian or #debian-next. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:13.58 | kikoufroy | ok :( |
| 21:14.05 | kikoufroy | < the best noob here |
| 21:14.07 | Unit193 | It's a small channel, but there's #sparkylinux |
| 21:14.50 | kikoufroy | thank you veri mutch |
| 21:14.54 | somiaj | Part of distrochoice is support community, there is ##linux as well. You can search through sparkylinux's package to see if they have an rt kernel, but it and sparky isn't supported by this community. |
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| 21:24.31 | kale | hi, after installing buster on my laptop, i cannot do a twofinder middle click on my touchpad. running "synclient TapButton2=2 Tapbutton3=3 ClickFinger2=2 ClickFinger3=3" fixes it. but i want a permanent solution. how do i go about that ? |
| 21:25.00 | tsarompy | kale are you using a desktop environment like gnome or kde |
| 21:25.07 | kale | xfce |
| 21:25.08 | tsarompy | you can add them to your autorun |
| 21:25.14 | tsarompy | ok |
| 21:25.25 | tsarompy | hang on lemme open up xfce settings so i dont have to do this from memory :P |
| 21:25.48 | tsarompy | okay |
| 21:25.53 | tsarompy | run xfce4-settings-manager |
| 21:25.58 | tsarompy | and select "Session and Startup" |
| 21:26.06 | tsarompy | then select the tab "Application Autostart" |
| 21:26.09 | tsarompy | click "Add" |
| 21:26.35 | tsarompy | name and description are obvious, but paste that synclient command into Command |
| 21:26.44 | tsarompy | set Trigger to on login and click ok and you should be gold |
| 21:26.52 | kale | i have this ".config/autostart/Synaptic.desktop" |
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| 21:27.12 | kale | ahh, need to check that trigger part |
| 21:27.12 | tsarompy | im not sure if xfce uses the autostart folder tbh |
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| 21:27.21 | tsarompy | but if you add it to what i suggested above it should be fine |
| 21:28.11 | tsarompy | youll need to log out and back in for it to take effect tho |
| 21:28.36 | kale | i cannot find that trigger option though |
| 21:29.06 | tsarompy | it may be a newer feature |
| 21:29.16 | tsarompy | i use debian sid so i think it might be in a newer version |
| 21:29.18 | tsarompy | nothing to worry about |
| 21:29.37 | kale | ok, i'll be back shortly |
| 21:29.39 | tsarompy | also after you add it to application autostart make sure the lil box is checked |
| 21:29.46 | tsarompy | it wont run if its not checked :D |
| 21:29.51 | kale | already was |
| 21:29.56 | tsarompy | cool |
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| 21:32.22 | kale | nope, did not work. worked on logout/login, but not on a poweroff/poweron |
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| 21:36.16 | kale | i have had this working on buster earlier, but by upgrading from wheezy/jessie/stretch, so it was working from som old configuration. i have not had it in autostart earlier |
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| 21:44.30 | kale | in Xorg.0.log i get the line '"TapButton2" "2"' which is similar to my xorg config. but once xfce is loaded "synclient -l" gives this 'TapButton2 = 3', so somewhere in the startup this is changed,. |
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| 22:04.39 | Wafficus | Hi there, can anyone help me please install the Ubuntu Mono font? |
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| 22:05.02 | Wafficus | my urxvt config file depends on it, and without it, all my font on my terminal has all these crazy extra spaces present |
| 22:05.04 | Unit193 | ,i fonts-ubuntu-console |
| 22:05.05 | judd | Package fonts-ubuntu-console (non-free/fonts, optional) in buster/amd64: console version of the Ubuntu Mono font. Version: 0.83-4; Size: 22.1k; Installed: 62k; Homepage: https://design.ubuntu.com/font/ |
| 22:05.25 | Wafficus | right, I found that page, but how do I apt install it |
| 22:05.32 | Wafficus | do I have to download it from the repo directly somehow? |
| 22:05.46 | Wafficus | and even if I do, how do I install the font? or is this better with apt? |
| 22:05.47 | Unit193 | Using normal package management tools such as apt or synaptic? |
| 22:06.07 | blackest_mamba | for the past few weeks when I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I'm not getting any new updates for packages. |
| 22:06.12 | blackest_mamba | this is my sources list |
| 22:06.13 | blackest_mamba | https://pastebin.com/egkvaFpN |
| 22:06.33 | blackest_mamba | I don't see any errors, but I find it hard to believe there have been NO package updates in three weeks. |
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| 22:07.12 | blackest_mamba | My sources list is totally default for buster (I'm on 10.3) so I don't see what I'm not getting any updates. |
| 22:07.18 | blackest_mamba | Any ideas? |
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| 22:07.44 | Wafficus | I tried this but I'm getting a message that it doesnt exist: |
| 22:07.46 | Wafficus | fonts-ubuntu-console |
| 22:07.55 | Wafficus | I mean: apt install fonts-ubuntu-console |
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| 22:09.50 | Unit193 | Wafficus: Ah! It's in non-free. |
| 22:10.06 | Wafficus | yeah do I have to add an exception to add it in that case? |
| 22:10.15 | Wafficus | I ask because I did debian min install |
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| 22:10.19 | Wafficus | and followed the steps in this post |
| 22:10.26 | Unit193 | Do your sources include non-free? |
| 22:10.35 | Wafficus | https://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
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| 22:17.48 | Wafficus | is the package: fonts-ubuntu-console |
| 22:17.50 | Wafficus | ? |
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| 22:20.19 | Unit193 | Yeah. |
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| 22:29.55 | Wafficus | I was able to obtain those fonts by just enabling non-free packages |
| 22:30.07 | Wafficus | though its dumb that a font like this isn't "open" but whatever |
| 22:30.17 | Wafficus | how do I load it so that my urvxt config recognizes it? |
| 22:30.20 | Unit193 | IIRC, the stuff to build it isn't. |
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| 22:35.08 | LtL | Wafficus: I just use the command line, eg. urxvt -fg white -bg black -fn "9x15bold,xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono" |
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| 22:55.13 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I just installed Debian on a disk that also has windows, but now I can't boot to Windows |
| 22:55.36 | FilipeMaia | It seems I'm using EFI grub but the windows installation is MBR |
| 22:55.44 | FilipeMaia | How do I go around to boot it from grub? |
| 22:56.16 | FilipeMaia | I tried this in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
| 22:56.23 | FilipeMaia | menuentry "Windows 7" { |
| 22:56.24 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.25 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.27 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.28 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.28 | FilipeMaia | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.40 | FilipeMaia | But it seems ntldr does not exist for EFI grub |
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| 23:22.45 | dadinn | hi all |
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| 23:25.22 | dadinn | i am trying to boot debian live on a Thinkpad P1, my issue is that after booting, and Debian seemingly logging in, I get an empty background, and mouse doesn't work, nothing is responding... I am using the Gnome+nonfree image, have tried with simple Gnome with the same result. |
| 23:25.56 | dadinn | am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:26.46 | dadinn | the screen is dead, nothing happens, I can see the mouse pointer, but the mouse is not working, nothing is working |
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| 23:29.44 | Ooze | Hi. My friend shared this script with me, but I don't understand how I'm meant to imput my password & the destination host. Did he excluse part of the script, or am I not understanding the argument input order? https://paste.incorrigible.me/raw/ijeyifunux |
| 23:30.30 | Ooze | (ignore the .rpm) :) |
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| 23:51.20 | lwp | dadinn, how did you copy the Gnome+nonfree image to your boot media ? |
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