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| 00:53.58 | helloman35 | hello. I am trying to allocate some space from a /home directory to a root directory; the latter which is full. The root directory has no more space available. I am confused as to how this could even theoretically be, since /home is located under the root but this is the problem I think. |
| 00:55.18 | sney | sounds like /home is on a separate partition or volume |
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| 00:56.38 | helloman35 | sney it is. |
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| 00:56.53 | sney | what debian version is this? |
| 00:57.30 | helloman35 | stretch |
| 00:57.40 | Grobo | tds: Thanks, I'll look |
| 00:58.03 | sney | helloman35: ok, can you run 'fdisk -l' and put the results in https://paste.debian.net/ and link here? |
| 01:00.13 | helloman35 | https://paste.debian.net/1136070/ |
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| 01:03.32 | sney | ok, lvm. 23G isn't *that* small for / so I'm surprised you ran out of space, and you may be able to make some elbow room with e.g. 'apt clean' |
| 01:04.23 | helloman35 | I did . I think a problem is when I backed up my system with an external Hard drive. |
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| 01:05.03 | helloman35 | I cant update packages or anything |
| 01:05.40 | Twemlow | anyone know how to get into (/join #linux)? |
| 01:06.31 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.50 | Twemlow | needs an invite |
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| 01:07.02 | annadane | did you try double hashtag |
| 01:07.04 | annadane | ##linux |
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| 01:07.43 | annadane | there's probably a better name than "hashtag" :/ i just don't know what the symbol is called in non-twitter |
| 01:07.52 | nvz | Twemlow: no it needs you to register its nick |
| 01:08.09 | sney | helloman35: you can resize lvm volumes using their utilities. I'm not super familiar with it, but look up 'lvm resize' and there are howtos all over the internet. you will need to shrink the filesystem on /home first, then resize the lvm volumes, then expand the filesystem on /. |
| 01:08.14 | Unit193 | annadane: 'double hash channel'? :) |
| 01:08.14 | nvz | a pound sign, number sign, a tic-tac-toe board... |
| 01:08.35 | annadane | i can't believe i just said double hashtag, i deserve to be shot |
| 01:08.51 | sney | lol |
| 01:09.04 | nvz | shoots annadane with sillystring |
| 01:09.24 | met | it's "hash", or "octothorpe" if you're feeling fancy |
| 01:09.46 | Unit193 | Pound, mhmm. |
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| 01:13.13 | helloman35 | @sney i am doing my due diligence now |
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| 01:35.38 | helloman35 | sney I am confused. I just deleted a substantially large directory under the root and the file system still says root is 100% full... |
| 01:36.25 | sney | are you sure it wasn't in /var ? according to your paste that's also a different volume |
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| 01:38.49 | helloman35 | @sney what did you say I got logged out |
| 01:39.32 | sney | linux keeps some space reserved on the disk so it can still be written in emergencies after it's 100% full |
| 01:39.57 | sney | it isn't perfect and it's possible to overrun the reserved space, especially as root, but it's meant to give a margin so that fixing it is possible |
| 01:40.01 | helloman35 | @sney I just deleted over 50 mb.... |
| 01:40.56 | sney | it's a percentage of your total space and I'm sure it's bigger than 50MB |
| 01:41.05 | sney | have you tried resizing your volumes yet? |
| 01:41.56 | helloman35 | @sney the e2fsck package I dont have I dont think and I cant download packages. I think im screwed |
| 01:42.13 | sney | !sbin |
| 01:42.13 | dpkg | Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root. |
| 01:42.29 | sney | if you have ext2 filesystems then you have their utilities. |
| 01:42.52 | sney | besides, it's resize2fs. fsck is for checking the filesystem |
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| 01:43.17 | helloman35 | the video I was watching was suggesting to do that first. I am an amatuer |
| 01:43.30 | sney | ok. it can't hurt, anyway. |
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| 01:44.00 | helloman35 | what cant hurt? using fsck? |
| 01:44.04 | sney | yes |
| 01:44.15 | Kobaz | fsck can destroy your filesystem |
| 01:44.23 | Kobaz | depends... |
| 01:44.50 | sney | in this particular case, running a regular check before trying to resize it, will probably not break anything as there is no indication of other problems with the filesystem |
| 01:45.01 | sney | and if I have to qualify every suggestion we'll never get anywhere. |
| 01:45.30 | helloman35 | @sney thats true. Its a balance though. @kobaz thanks for the concern |
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| 01:45.58 | Kobaz | clone your drive, do a raw dd if=/dev/sda of=...etc if you care about your data |
| 01:46.00 | Kobaz | and then play with it |
| 01:46.16 | Kobaz | typically, fsck will do its best to fix it and it'll be good... untypically you'll still be left with a disaster |
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| 01:46.27 | sney | there was already a mention of an external backup |
| 01:47.03 | helloman35 | yeah I backed up the drive recently. I can do that again. I think the mount point of the backup is what might be leading to this congestion |
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| 01:47.33 | sney | that's very unlikely, what was the mount point? |
| 01:47.51 | sney | unless you tried to back the disk up to itself somehow |
| 01:48.28 | helloman35 | the mount point of the HDD via rsync was under /media |
| 01:48.37 | sney | yeah that won't cause this issue |
| 01:49.05 | helloman35 | under root? To be honest the file system confuses the shit out of me and I do not think I am that much of a total idiot |
| 01:49.13 | sney | !fhs |
| 01:49.14 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 01:49.43 | helloman35 | yeah il look over that again. got any video suggestions? |
| 01:50.16 | sney | a separate volume mounted at /media will not affect the disk usage of / any more than it'll affect the usage in /home or /var etc. it's a little confusing coming from windows but once you get it you'll get it |
| 01:50.31 | sney | I don't really learn from videos but there's probably something good out there |
| 01:50.50 | helloman35 | I cant even mount the HDD. I get a "no room left on device" even though the HDD is only 20% full.... |
| 01:51.35 | helloman35 | i can mount the HDD on another comp. So any issues realted to the HDD can be rules out |
| 01:51.39 | helloman35 | ruled* |
| 01:51.49 | sney | that's saying no room left on your root device. It's vague, I know, but bash will refuse to do a lot of operations if the disk that *bash* is on is full |
| 01:52.12 | sney | you might have better/easier results if you try doing this from a livecd. |
| 01:52.29 | helloman35 | what do you mean |
| 01:52.33 | unborn | sney: he seems to not understand no matter how you would explain it. |
| 01:52.43 | sney | unborn: thanks for the contribution |
| 01:52.57 | unborn | sney: you welcome |
| 01:53.00 | helloman35 | @unborn SPREADING POSITIVITY THANKS |
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| 01:53.57 | sney | helloman35: just ignore it. a livecd like https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ - loads debian into your RAM without needing to run anything from the full disk. then you can do your filesystem operations without worrying. |
| 01:54.54 | helloman35 | @sney oooo Thats how I loaded debian onto this system in the first place. Via live usb |
| 01:57.14 | helloman35 | @sney had to think about that for a sec. This sounds like a safer way to go about it |
| 01:57.47 | sney | it should be |
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| 02:50.15 | helloman35 | @sney thanks for your help this will be a process |
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| 03:34.34 | mi11k1 | how do i remove the '' from 'multiplefiles'? |
| 03:34.57 | mi11k1 | a whole folder |
| 03:35.49 | mi11k1 | i tried to google it, but im no good with advanced cli stuff |
| 03:36.03 | sponix | mi11k1: Might try "man rename" to see if anything useful comes up |
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| 03:36.53 | mi11k1 | sponix, nice, i didnt even know that existed, i always use mv |
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| 03:39.45 | mi11k1 | sponix, ohhh they are there because of the spaces |
| 03:40.14 | mi11k1 | i always thought there was \'s, i always avoid spaces |
| 03:40.47 | sponix | mi11k1: I thought a user recently was full of shit when they told me "rename" -- I was like yeah right... But it does exist now |
| 03:40.56 | sponix | I am OLD, and was like umm good joke |
| 03:41.36 | mi11k1 | sponix, well mine is rename.ul or something |
| 03:42.38 | sponix | mi11k1: odd.. Ubuntu base has an actual regular "rename" command. wonder where it came from |
| 03:42.53 | mi11k1 | the manpage is rename, but hit tab and it got an extension of ul |
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| 03:43.04 | mi11k1 | rename bu itself on cli didnt work |
| 03:43.40 | mi11k1 | its probably a little poison that leaked from ubuntu |
| 03:43.46 | mi11k1 | *shiver |
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| 03:44.20 | usney | is there any tools to see what processes are making my computer too hot over time? |
| 03:44.31 | usney | It is hot just not at critical yet. |
| 03:44.33 | mi11k1 | usney, top |
| 03:44.38 | usney | cool |
| 03:44.42 | mi11k1 | see whhats using cpu |
| 03:45.05 | mi11k1 | htop is better, but its not installed by default |
| 03:45.07 | usney | what if you just opened top? Is there a history of whats using the most cpu? |
| 03:45.17 | usney | yes I prefer htop too easier to read |
| 03:45.44 | mi11k1 | oh, so u already know??> |
| 03:46.11 | usney | yes I just want to know like the history before you try to open top |
| 03:46.27 | usney | or any cpu and memory gpu monitor. |
| 03:46.38 | usney | is there logs for that? |
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| 03:46.55 | mi11k1 | i think youd have to flick some switches to get it to log that |
| 03:47.04 | usney | okay cool |
| 03:47.13 | usney | I'll search for that online |
| 03:47.16 | mi11k1 | i just look at top when its hot, and its easy to find the culprit |
| 03:47.26 | usney | cool thank you |
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| 03:47.35 | mi11k1 | usually whatever it is will hang in my experience |
| 03:48.06 | mi11k1 | sometimes dmesg can shed some light |
| 03:48.12 | usney | I suppose what I meant by logging is also the statistics too |
| 03:49.04 | usney | that would be more useful than just a log because it is a graph that lets you know right away which processes use the most ram or cpu gpu..etc. routinely. |
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| 03:49.20 | mi11k1 | try this " while true; do uptime >> uptime.log; sleep 1; done" |
| 03:49.40 | usney | okay cool |
| 03:49.52 | mi11k1 | This will log your cpu load every second and append it to a file uptime.log |
| 03:50.03 | mi11k1 | sais google |
| 03:50.04 | usney | thank you |
| 03:50.30 | usney | I try not to use google and now even duckduckgo because they support ads for amazon now. |
| 03:50.46 | usney | searx is pretty neat there are others as well. |
| 03:51.24 | nvz | ,i powertop |
| 03:51.25 | judd | Package powertop (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: diagnose issues with power consumption and management. Version: 2.8-1+b2; Size: 188.7k; Installed: 604k; Homepage: https://01.org/powertop/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/powertop |
| 03:51.27 | usney | mi11k1 what dns service provider(s) do you recommend? |
| 03:51.46 | usney | thank you nvz |
| 03:52.10 | nvz | in physics, pressure and temperature are directly related.. in computers... well.. power or current and temp are directly related :P |
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| 03:52.47 | usney | that's neat nvz |
| 03:53.10 | usney | yes is that a electrical current? |
| 03:53.25 | usney | or what kind of current is it? Processing? |
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| 03:55.10 | nvz | when the computer does more processing, it uses more power, generates more heat.. powertop was designed to attempt to analyze just such a thing |
| 03:55.57 | usney | cool nvz this will be very useful because I have an issue with this big time my computer freezes sometimes not very often but sometimes |
| 03:56.32 | usney | I think it is usually because of too many tabs open in my browser and many apps open. |
| 03:56.39 | nvz | yeah mine has been doing it a bit too but I think my issue is the ssd.. but not certain and havent bothered to investigate |
| 03:56.41 | mi11k1 | nvz, i understand this, i rarely have the issue, i just use top and get it right away |
| 03:57.10 | usney | I have an SSD too. |
| 03:57.23 | mi11k1 | what browser? |
| 03:57.29 | usney | firefox |
| 03:57.32 | nvz | is it like mine, rather small and usually close to full? :P |
| 03:57.37 | mi11k1 | when it happens just open a term and run top |
| 03:57.39 | nvz | cause I suspect thats whats causing my issues |
| 03:57.54 | mi11k1 | if chrome is using 100% cpu, then theres the problem |
| 03:58.29 | mi11k1 | how close is close to full? |
| 03:58.38 | usney | no I do not have a small drive I originally had a really small drive when I got my first laptop and I always filled that too much really quickly but 120 gb ssd is enough for me to avoid that. |
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| 03:58.56 | usney | that was back in 2005 |
| 03:59.10 | mi11k1 | tjhe pc im on is a 120ssd |
| 03:59.16 | nvz | yeah mine is 128GB but its usually well under 10G free |
| 03:59.44 | nvz | and ssd as I understand behave differently with deletion and reuse of sectors.. |
| 03:59.44 | mi11k1 | i dont use mechanical drives for anything. just have a 12TB zfs for my VMs |
| 04:00.01 | usney | I also remove my DVD drive and used a dvd drive caddy to install a second hard drive and installed my old one I replace in there for backups. |
| 04:00.33 | nvz | my disk is also encrypted which I'm sure further complicates the overhead of this clearing of unused space |
| 04:00.44 | mi11k1 | how much ram? |
| 04:00.50 | usney | I just use mechanical drives for backups because I've read they last longer than ssd drives and I do not have much money. |
| 04:00.53 | nvz | 8GB |
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| 04:01.10 | mi11k1 | if yer hd was full yer pc would probab;y just hang |
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| 04:01.31 | mi11k1 | its proably tabs that are a heavy java load in yer browser |
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| 04:02.04 | mi11k1 | fslint is a good tool to clean stuff up |
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| 04:02.43 | nvz | you seem to assume these issues have anything at all to do with a web browser |
| 04:02.57 | mi11k1 | usney, well mechanical drives a certainly in abundance for large capacity |
| 04:03.14 | usney | you can use noscript to limit the amount of scripts running but you have to know which ones to allow and not allow though which can take time to figure out but once you set it up for the sites you use often that need it you don't need to reset it up. |
| 04:03.16 | mi11k1 | i run into the problem all the time |
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| 04:04.14 | mi11k1 | i dont use a pure debian distro on the machines that i use as desktops. i use MX |
| 04:04.17 | usney | my drive is 50/50 used and I still have crashes and my ssd drive has dram so it isn't slower than a swindle drive. |
| 04:04.33 | usney | why is mx so popular now mi11k1 ? |
| 04:04.41 | usney | I was reading about that on distrowatch.com |
| 04:04.45 | mi11k1 | try it and u will see |
| 04:05.04 | usney | okay I downloaded it already I haven't set it up or tried it yet. |
| 04:05.25 | usney | I am going to switch my friend's distro to that one. |
| 04:05.56 | mi11k1 | its a bootable usb, it installs from live desktop |
| 04:06.04 | usney | yes I know |
| 04:06.09 | mi11k1 | you dont need to install it to check it out |
| 04:06.35 | nvz | I'm not real up to speed on ssd stuff, as I spent a couple years recently away from tech.. just now using them for the first time.. but as I understand it, way I learned it when I was a tech.. hdd typically the fs just marks sectors as unused and when it needs more space it just reuses those.. but due to the nature of the SSD this isnt possible.. deleted files are not ready to simply be overwritten on an SSD |
| 04:06.50 | nvz | its more like how a rewritable CD/DVD works |
| 04:06.59 | mi11k1 | basically its just fast as shit compared |
| 04:07.00 | nvz | and needs to be formatted first so all the pits are leveled out |
| 04:07.00 | usney | I am aware of that. as why I said "set it up or tried it out" I meant to say try it out via live usb. |
| 04:07.35 | usney | rewritable cd/dvd is crap |
| 04:07.36 | mi11k1 | i havent used optical medi for over 10 years now |
| 04:07.46 | nvz | which means its not really about how much free space the fs reports.. but how much of the free space it reports is actually cleared out and ready to be reused again on the ssd |
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| 04:08.00 | mi11k1 | once i figured out iscsi |
| 04:08.06 | usney | yea you don't need it now USB flash and flash cards are the future |
| 04:08.33 | usney | you can get 128 gb usb for real cheap now in the US |
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| 04:08.48 | mi11k1 | actually, i found something called syncthing 2 nights ago, pretty cool little util |
| 04:08.52 | nvz | i.e. if you have 50% usage but have written and deleted 50% of the capacity.. you may still technically have a full ssd even though the filesystem is only 50% in use |
| 04:09.09 | mi11k1 | i have ssds coming out the yingyang |
| 04:09.31 | usney | yes I have syncthing installed already I haven't used it yet |
| 04:09.32 | mi11k1 | my buddy was a tech guy and he died recently, i raided his garage |
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| 04:09.40 | usney | let me know how it goes mi11k1 |
| 04:09.57 | mi11k1 | usney, how what goes? |
| 04:10.04 | mi11k1 | syncthing? its awesome |
| 04:10.07 | usney | this is my registered nick so you will know it is me |
| 04:10.09 | mi11k1 | uses stun |
| 04:10.28 | usney | nice |
| 04:10.40 | usney | does it allow encrypting? |
| 04:10.50 | mi11k1 | its all encrypted |
| 04:10.54 | usney | cool |
| 04:11.25 | usney | can it sync your apps data too or just personal data? |
| 04:11.40 | mi11k1 | anything u want |
| 04:11.51 | usney | I know you probably could just sync the folder where the data is held but I am not sure if that would be easy to do. |
| 04:12.03 | usney | nice mi11k1 |
| 04:12.14 | mi11k1 | thast how it goes, folder based |
| 04:12.43 | usney | I mean the data for the apps settings and stored data's folder |
| 04:12.49 | usney | to sync |
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| 04:13.12 | usney | for apps you want to sync like bookmarks and such from firefox to firefox for example |
| 04:13.19 | mi11k1 | oh, it has that covered, youll see |
| 04:13.26 | usney | awesome! |
| 04:13.55 | mi11k1 | oh for that u sync the .config or any hidden fodlers usually |
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| 04:14.13 | mi11k1 | ]i use chrome so i dont worry about that stuff |
| 04:14.16 | usney | mi11k1 what did you find in your buddies garage? and I am sorry to hear. |
| 04:14.43 | mi11k1 | oh, I got lenovo i7s a i took a poweredge r620 |
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| 04:15.01 | usney | nice is that a thinkpad or a thinkcenter? |
| 04:15.01 | mi11k1 | over 500gug of ram |
| 04:15.14 | usney | WHAT that is a lot??? |
| 04:15.15 | mi11k1 | the pwoeredge? |
| 04:15.18 | usney | must be a server? |
| 04:15.32 | mi11k1 | its a rackmounted dell server |
| 04:15.48 | usney | I mean the lenovo is it a thinkpad or thinkcenter? |
| 04:16.02 | usney | thinkpad is the laptop and the thinkcenter is the desktop |
| 04:16.37 | usney | what arch do serves primarily use these days? |
| 04:16.55 | usney | servers* |
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| 04:17.22 | usney | it usually says what it is somewhere on the computer mi11k1 |
| 04:17.42 | usney | for the thinkpad or thinkcenter |
| 04:18.32 | mi11k1 | oh theyre mini thinkcebteres |
| 04:18.45 | mi11k1 | 500gig ssds and 12 gig ram |
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| 04:18.54 | mi11k1 | i have 3 |
| 04:19.14 | usney | wow nice |
| 04:19.23 | usney | you are lucky |
| 04:19.44 | usney | I am too broke for a new computer with that amount of ram |
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| 04:19.53 | usney | maybe if I built it as I go |
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| 04:20.03 | mi11k1 | i took 4 or 5 3TB drives and put them in a i7 and turned it into a 12TB storage for the r620 |
| 04:20.21 | usney | that's cool |
| 04:20.32 | mi11k1 | i took that much loose ram the poweredge has 256 or something |
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| 04:21.49 | mi11k1 | ya, im extremely lucky. it gave me the chance to try every crazy experiment ive never had the hardware to try |
| 04:22.03 | usney | are all the lenovo computers except for a few easy to upgrade all parts except if it is part of the motherboard? Meaning it is not soldered in like the cpu/gpu and ram. |
| 04:22.52 | usney | it seems the older ones are like the old x and t series since those are the ones that coreboot and libreboot support. |
| 04:22.53 | mi11k1 | i just opened the hatch and threw in ssds and and ram, im pretty sure the cpu is removeable |
| 04:23.05 | usney | cool |
| 04:23.29 | mi11k1 | usually the lenovo line is easiliy upgraded |
| 04:23.57 | mi11k1 | i use mostly VMs for everything |
| 04:23.58 | usney | cool |
| 04:24.10 | mi11k1 | proxmox |
| 04:24.24 | usney | What do you think of those distros that use VMs for every app you open? |
| 04:24.43 | usney | for security and privacy reasons |
| 04:24.56 | mi11k1 | usney, i dont inderstannd what u mean |
| 04:25.10 | mi11k1 | i use docker for a lot of stuff |
| 04:25.32 | mi11k1 | u mean like appimage or whatever those things are? |
| 04:26.07 | usney | https://www.qubes-os.org/intro/ |
| 04:26.15 | usney | no mi11k1 |
| 04:27.15 | usney | you can setup VMs so that they look like it isn't a virtual machine and that it appears to be apart of the system because it opens an app window instead of a window with a separate desktop. |
| 04:27.25 | mi11k1 | looks interseting, never heard of it. ive heard of xen though |
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| 04:27.47 | mi11k1 | i started usinng proxmox and its been rock solid, so i just stayed with it |
| 04:28.09 | usney | supposedly edward snowden uses qubes os but I am not sure if he does as everyone wants to use his name to support their products these days |
| 04:28.35 | usney | that are for security and privacy |
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| 04:29.33 | usney | I am not sure about appimage or docker but flatpak puts all their packages into their own sandbox which is similar to a VM |
| 04:29.59 | mi11k1 | thats what i meant flatpaks |
| 04:30.38 | usney | I prefer flatpaks since they have the developers sign their packages cryptography so you know it was actually from them. |
| 04:30.48 | mi11k1 | mx has a package manager and its got flatpakes section |
| 04:31.06 | mi11k1 | i have a few flatpaks |
| 04:31.08 | usney | also flatpaks let you know if it is a proprietary program or not. |
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| 04:31.40 | usney | for those who prefer to use all source code released apps. |
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| 04:32.18 | mi11k1 | i mosly mess with webapps , i use docker. i try a lot of stuff. |
| 04:32.45 | mi11k1 | turnkey linux is pretty cool, its all based off debian 9 |
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| 04:33.11 | mi11k1 | a lot of my vms are from turnkey iso or lxc containers |
| 04:33.56 | mi11k1 | i dont worry about security too much. im on my neigbours wifi rightnow. |
| 04:34.15 | mi11k1 | i was load balancing between a few |
| 04:35.28 | usney | I am just concerned about being ripped off by online stores since I read that some of them can and do use our browsing data to see if you are more likely to spend more on certain items than others to get the maximum profit. |
| 04:36.00 | mi11k1 | i just use ebay and paypal |
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| 04:36.37 | usney | It is weird that duckduckgo made a blog about that and they now offer ads for amazon that doesn't appear you can opt out of them. |
| 04:37.06 | usney | they only come up in the first results if you search for products |
| 04:37.06 | mi11k1 | i block a lot of ads with a hosts file |
| 04:37.22 | mi11k1 | it just renders as a box with an x to close it |
| 04:37.28 | usney | I have adblocking addons and I still see them |
| 04:37.52 | usney | they must host them on their address then |
| 04:38.09 | mi11k1 | i dont use amazon |
| 04:38.12 | mi11k1 | i used to |
| 04:38.39 | usney | would you like a link I found filled with amazon and walmart alternatives? |
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| 04:39.05 | usney | It even lists companies to avoid and products that are owned by them too. |
| 04:39.06 | mi11k1 | walmart? |
| 04:39.19 | mi11k1 | i just walk up the steet if i want something from there |
| 04:39.23 | usney | walmart is a major retailer in the us. |
| 04:39.37 | usney | i think it is a global store now |
| 04:39.49 | mi11k1 | ya, theres a few in my city |
| 04:40.14 | mi11k1 | theyve been here for years. |
| 04:40.16 | usney | I use target instead they offer free shipping with no fees you just need a redcard which isn't a credit card. |
| 04:41.10 | usney | I am going to try out powertop let me get you the link before I go |
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| 04:42.01 | mi11k1 | where do u live? it doesnt sound like u live in a place where theres civilization. |
| 04:42.19 | usney | https://threshold.us/c/cancelprime/amazon-alternatives mi11k1 |
| 04:42.37 | usney | I use to live in the Chicago area now I live in a small town. |
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| 04:42.50 | mi11k1 | usney, actually i kinda lied, i run observium and it collects info fro all my machines via snmp |
| 04:43.18 | usney | is that a joke? |
| 04:43.19 | usney | lol. |
| 04:43.22 | mi11k1 | i have graphed data of temps and cpu usage |
| 04:43.30 | usney | oh |
| 04:43.32 | mi11k1 | no |
| 04:43.33 | usney | that |
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| 04:43.48 | usney | I thought you meant for the shopping and browsing data collecting lol |
| 04:44.14 | mi11k1 | no, however, i am trying to figure out how to scrape data from websites though |
| 04:44.36 | usney | what kind of data? |
| 04:44.38 | mi11k1 | gave up on it for now, too complicated |
| 04:44.59 | mi11k1 | i dont know, i just think it would be useful. |
| 04:45.09 | mi11k1 | kijiji and other classified sites |
| 04:45.55 | usney | cool |
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| 04:45.59 | usney | like the darkweb? |
| 04:46.07 | mi11k1 | no like local classifieds |
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| 04:46.17 | usney | oh like craigslist? |
| 04:46.22 | mi11k1 | ya |
| 04:46.46 | mi11k1 | im playing wit hass.io right now, its kinda cool |
| 04:47.12 | mi11k1 | i have a few esp8266 devices and arduinos laying around |
| 04:47.39 | mi11k1 | something is homeassistant gave me the idea to scrape, who knows |
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| 04:49.25 | usney | nice |
| 04:50.21 | mi11k1 | i just tried powertop |
| 04:50.27 | usney | cool |
| 04:50.32 | usney | do you like it? |
| 04:50.34 | mi11k1 | it sais i have nfc, i dont think i do |
| 04:50.59 | usney | I haven't installed it yet I doing an upgrade right now |
| 04:51.20 | mi11k1 | its just a cli thing that gives you more detailed info. detailed info about whats sucking on the battery |
| 04:51.30 | usney | cool |
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| 04:51.47 | mi11k1 | upgrades take 30 sec, dont they? |
| 04:52.19 | usney | I am not sure I am using a mirror it is taking a bit to download |
| 04:52.24 | mi11k1 | i have apt-cacher running here |
| 04:53.00 | usney | I delete my deb files that get downloaded to save space |
| 04:53.11 | usney | after they have been installed |
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| 04:53.12 | mi11k1 | i have a vm that caches them |
| 04:53.32 | mi11k1 | that way everything i upgrade doesnt have to go get it from the net |
| 04:54.06 | usney | oh nice powertop is already installed |
| 04:54.13 | usney | must be installed by default |
| 04:54.18 | usney | I don't remember installing it. |
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| 04:59.13 | usney | see you mi11k1 |
| 04:59.20 | usney | is your nick registered too? |
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| 04:59.48 | mi11k1 | ya, it is. |
| 04:59.51 | mi11k1 | cya later man |
| 05:00.01 | prologic | Is there a way I can override which systemd unit file actually gets packaged (packaging question)? |
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| 05:01.16 | han-solo | it's your package, you own it ? |
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| 05:01.55 | prologic | I know :) I'm confused by the various ways in which debhelper claims you can override things; for example override_gh_installsystemd |
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| 05:09.43 | rajivmars | hi guys! is it safe to install debian from the unofficial live images? because i m not able to install it from the official image due to to some software issue. |
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| 05:13.45 | Werner | Depends on if you trust an unofficial image. In any case you are on your own. |
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| 05:15.15 | rajivmars | Werner, after installing from the official image debian is not boot. i thing its nor-free issue. anyways, thanks! |
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| 05:16.30 | linux_user | Hello all. What is DEP-11, is that some kind of different microprocessors from amd64 or intel? I saw it when I did an apt-get update command. |
| 05:20.06 | annadane | rajivmars, the live image does have the calamares installer, you can try that perhaps |
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| 05:43.15 | nvz | heh |
| 05:43.37 | nvz | dpkg, tell linux_user about dep |
| 05:44.50 | nvz | https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11 |
| 05:44.57 | nvz | dpkg, dep-11 |
| 05:44.57 | dpkg | nvz: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 05:46.33 | nvz | dpkg, dep-11 is a proposal to extend debian package metadata https://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11 ask me about <dep>. |
| 05:46.34 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 05:49.08 | Unit193 | AKA autopkgtests. |
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| 06:11.06 | usney | that's cool nvz added some new stuff |
| 06:11.57 | nvz | usney: wouldnt be the first time |
| 06:12.37 | nvz | irc is my preferred method of contribution, if I didnt add, modify, or remove information from our database as needed, I wouldnt be worth much :P |
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| 06:58.04 | vlt | Hello. I have an open shell and am in a directory that (a few dirs up) has been *moved* somewhere else. I can ls, read and write files relative to where I am. How can I find out the actual position relative to /? |
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| 07:02.39 | Werner | vlt: you mean pwd? |
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| 07:09.30 | jm_ | vlt: its new path? in shell this shall work: ls -l /proc/$$/cwd (or readlink that) |
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| 07:20.12 | usney | is there a way to list only the command line apps that are installed? |
| 07:20.23 | usney | via the terminal |
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| 07:28.41 | gratteku | Bonjour la compagnie |
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| 07:32.36 | luna_ | Debian 11 Online Hackathon from Friday this week |
| 07:32.55 | Unit193 | Is that the med one? |
| 07:33.26 | vlt | Werner: No, that would show me the *old* path. |
| 07:33.32 | luna_ | Unit193: med? |
| 07:33.35 | vlt | jm_: I'll try that. Thank you. |
| 07:33.42 | luna_ | no its the online Gothenburg one |
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| 07:36.10 | Unit193 | luna_: Yes the med team has a hackathon. |
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| 07:37.07 | Unit193 | vlt: This doesn't answer your question, sorry, but sometimes when I move a packaging directory from ~/ to the correct location while I'm in it, I'll cd ../DIRNAME |
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| 07:40.32 | luna_ | Unit193: ah did not know this, this is an BSP mostly for fixing Debian 11 bugs and hack on new features: https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2020/03/se/Gothenburg |
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| 08:01.03 | ZaZaGX | i can't find the debian 11 hackathon on google |
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| 08:01.37 | Hacksterix | hi everyone |
| 08:01.48 | luna_ | hi Hacksterix |
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| 09:09.23 | M4rcOny | good morning ppl |
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| 09:10.26 | rrttyy | Hi, I'm using Debian stable with xfce. Chromium can not access the microphone, while gnome-sound-recorder can. |
| 09:11.06 | rrttyy | What could be the problem here? I've tried disabling all add ons and using a default install, but nothing seems to work. |
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| 09:13.24 | rrttyy | I'm pretty sure it is a pulseaudio problem, I can't get microphone access on firefox either. |
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| 09:16.10 | jm_ | rrttyy: do those apps show up in pavucontrol? |
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| 09:16.19 | rrttyy | No. |
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| 09:20.16 | jm_ | I don't mic in browsers. just in my VM and when a call app is started in the VM it shows up in pavucontrol under recording |
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| 09:22.59 | jm_ | don't use* |
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| 09:26.46 | rrttyy | I need to use discord, actually. |
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| 09:27.04 | rrttyy | It would be really heavy in a vm tbh |
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| 09:28.16 | jm_ | yeah I wasn't suggesting to use it that way, just explaining my setup and how I use my mic |
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| 09:28.53 | jm_ | but apparently firefox can only do sound via PA these days, so it can't be it's not connecting to it |
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| 09:29.12 | jm_ | (which is something I was going to ask you to check) |
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| 09:45.02 | wonderer | crazy stuff https://twitter.com/spudd1ver/status/1242023381203107840 |
| 09:45.38 | Unit193 | Hello, perhaps #debian-offtopic would be more suitable? |
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| 09:52.20 | rrttyy | I checked, firefox does work. |
| 09:52.26 | rrttyy | Chrome, for whatever reason, does not. |
| 09:52.39 | rrttyy | I was using an odler version of firefox. Downloaded the latest version, everything works. |
| 09:52.51 | rrttyy | I was actually using basilisk with a different user agent. |
| 09:52.58 | rrttyy | Thaks for your help. |
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| 09:54.17 | ksk | !does not work |
| 09:54.17 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 09:54.39 | Unit193 | Thanks for saying the conclusion, I can't say I have used chromium any time recently. |
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| 10:23.50 | ksk | I run Discord on buster btw, it does work. Also the Mic does work in Firefox. |
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| 10:33.34 | epitamizer | wtf my network isnt configuring or working after setting static settings in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/systemd/network |
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| 10:34.26 | jm_ | make sure it's marked auto for the former |
| 10:35.20 | epitamizer | the thing is, the ipv6 gets configured, but since my ISP still uses ipv4 the ipv4 settings are not being set even thoght the ipv6 interface is up |
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| 10:37.10 | jm_ | enabling verbose mode and then checking journalctl shall help figure out what is going on (again, for ifupdown method) |
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| 10:46.03 | epitamizer | ugggh now its taking 6 seconds for the network to come up |
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| 10:46.25 | epitamizer | every otther service is under 1s |
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| 10:46.55 | epitamizer | but it is working now |
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| 11:33.51 | TheWizard | hi |
| 11:34.24 | TheWizard | is there a way to make a wifi direct mouse working on debian buster? The mouse is the hp LQ083AA |
| 11:34.27 | TheWizard | Thanks |
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| 11:36.47 | epitamizer | did you install bluetooth packages? |
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| 11:43.24 | z4kst4r | When I try to install a package on a pc with no internet access I end up with the message for unmet dependencies and a failed install. Is there a way to check unmet dependencies without installing the package? |
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| 11:45.08 | nkuttler | !tell z4kst4r about apt-offline |
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| 11:45.21 | nkuttler | z4kst4r: you probably want that instead |
| 11:46.17 | TheWizard | epitamizer: no it is a WIFI direct device |
| 11:46.26 | mindlessmisss | this PC has a internet connection over ethernet port, interface "ens33" . sometimes I connect my android phone with USB tethering, Interface "usb0". If I try to use "Network Manager Applet" icon in xfce panel, and disconnect the ethernet connection, it automatically reconnects immediately. How man I stop it from reconnecting automatically. I want it to use the phone's data |
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| 11:53.35 | epitamizer | TheWizard, i assume it connects like any othe wireless lan card then |
| 11:53.51 | TheWizard | epitamizer: ... |
| 11:53.59 | TheWizard | epitamizer: it is a mouse |
| 11:54.20 | epitamizer | have you never set up a wireless connection before? |
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| 11:55.50 | epitamizer | there is wpa supplicant and wpa_cli to connect to wireless points |
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| 11:57.09 | jim | TheWizard, wired mouse? wireless mouse? |
| 11:57.42 | epitamizer | he said wifi direct |
| 11:58.31 | TheWizard | it is a wifi direct device |
| 11:58.50 | epitamizer | have you tried this http://www.idc-online.com/technical_references/pdfs/data_communications/HP_Wi_Fi_Direct_Mouse_on_Linux.pdf |
| 11:58.53 | jim | ok, so possibly such a mouse (err, its controller) uses a wireless chipset, and possibly would actually get an IP address |
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| 11:59.28 | TheWizard | epitamizer: yes, the ozmo module does not exist anymore |
| 12:00.25 | TheWizard | the problem that the mouse connects via the wifi p2p interface, but it doesn't find the mpuse driver |
| 12:00.27 | TheWizard | mouse |
| 12:00.48 | jim | up to that point, it may involve the same things any wireless chipset does... beyond, it's probably a specialized and -additional- driver specifically for the mouse, and that driver talks to the wireless |
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| 12:01.04 | mindlessmisss | what wait huh |
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| 12:01.41 | jim | orzo driver? |
| 12:01.47 | TheWizard | jim: yes, it needs a mouse driver for wifi direct |
| 12:01.48 | mindlessmisss | mices have wifi connections with IP addresses nowadays? |
| 12:01.51 | TheWizard | jim: ozmo |
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| 12:02.22 | TheWizard | mindlessmisss: no |
| 12:02.35 | mindlessmisss | or liek, just wireless RF mice |
| 12:02.48 | mindlessmisss | or like bluetooth |
| 12:03.00 | TheWizard | mindlessmisss: no, wifi direct |
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| 12:03.18 | epitamizer | TheWizard, do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed? |
| 12:03.24 | TheWizard | mindlessmisss: it is a wifi p2p connection |
| 12:03.35 | mindlessmisss | wifi direct have ips |
| 12:03.52 | TheWizard | mindlessmisss: hw mac actually |
| 12:04.21 | jim | TheWizard, which mouse is it exactly? |
| 12:04.39 | TheWizard | jim: hp, LQ083AA |
| 12:04.50 | TheWizard | epitamizer: installed now |
| 12:04.55 | mindlessmisss | oh yeah ok i see now |
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| 12:05.33 | epitamizer | TheWizard, you might need to relaunch xorg to use driver |
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| 12:06.12 | TheWizard | epitamizer: mmmmh, I do not think it could work, wait |
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| 12:06.57 | mindlessmisss | why does a mouse need a wifi direct connection unless it's trying to organize an actual IP for itself or something |
| 12:07.25 | epitamizer | it connects to socket just like any other interface |
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| 12:20.23 | TheWizard | mindlessmiss: who actually knows that it is a mouse? |
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| 12:23.07 | mindlessmiss | ? huh sorry what was that TheWizard ? |
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| 12:24.41 | TheWizard | mindlessmiss: you asked why the mouse ask for an ip address?? Actually not |
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| 12:27.41 | mindlessmiss | old news now |
| 12:27.45 | mindlessmiss | 8-} |
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| 13:01.56 | epitamizer | trying to utilize networkd service, but the ip isn't being applied . this article isnt help either https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdNetworkd |
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| 22:51.46 | lilineko | running a relatively fresh buster install on a laptop. can't get wifi working for the life of me... went through a loop to have the interface properly managed by NetworkManager, but when I try to connect to a network it just doesn't. [using the applet, it] scans, lets me enter a password, then spins for a while before giving nothing. when |
| 22:51.46 | lilineko | connecting through nmtui it says "Could not activate connection: Activation failed: the Wi-Fi network could not be found". I've tried disabling random mac assigning, that didn't help. been through multiple reboots as well |
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| 22:52.18 | Bushmaster | Hi, do I need two machine to run apache server for two different types of media? Is it not possible to partition a hard drive and use both partition instead but let apache to run simulteniously? |
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| 22:52.56 | sney | Bushmaster: apache virtualhosts allow you to serve multiple sites/media/etc from one apache server, even |
| 22:53.09 | sney | lilineko: what wifi adapter is it? do you have the firmware installed? |
| 22:53.26 | lilineko | can you remind me what the command is to check that? |
| 22:54.07 | lilineko | if it's any help, the wifi was working fine on a live session |
| 22:54.25 | sney | lilineko: there are a couple ways to check but 'dmesg |grep firmware' usually gives a clue. 'lspci' and 'lsusb' can show you lists of your devices as well. |
| 22:57.53 | lilineko | well, that seems like some helpful output. dmesg gives a few lines about loading rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin failing, error -2 |
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| 22:59.56 | awalis | Hello guys/gals, has anyone used Android-x86 on Qemu before ? I've been trying to do that without success. here's my qemu command line "$ qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine q35 -smp 2 -accel kvm -m 2048 -k en-us -display gtk -vga std -usb -cdrom android-x86_64-9.0-r1-k49.iso -hda android9.qcow2" is there anything missing here ? |
| 23:00.45 | sney | !rtl8192se |
| 23:00.45 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 23:01.16 | sney | oh good, it's not one of the super oddball ones. lilineko ^ install firmware-realtek from non-free |
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| 23:01.46 | dvs | gets an 8812 |
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| 23:03.06 | lilineko | yeah, found my way to that sney. should just have to restart then? |
| 23:03.11 | sney | yep |
| 23:03.18 | lilineko | ob |
| 23:03.36 | lilineko | will come back if there's still an issue for some reason, or I find something else to fix |
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| 23:08.40 | cecchini | hello all, I am Italian I have only one question. Debian 10 buster have TRIM ssd to default? |
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| 23:14.33 | sney | cecchini: no; see 'systemctl status fstrim.timer' |
| 23:15.27 | cecchini | sney ok i understand thank you |
| 23:18.04 | cecchini | sney do you can give me wikidebian link for set trim service? |
| 23:18.34 | sney | just enable that systemd unit |
| 23:18.38 | sney | but there is more information here https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
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| 23:19.21 | cecchini | sney thank you |
| 23:20.24 | annadane | i think the wiki page earlier said "not needed in buster" but that's since changed |
| 23:20.31 | annadane | though i'm relying on my memory here which is dangerous |
| 23:21.02 | Bushmaster | sney, ` what it is, i got private stuffs that i do not want to share to every one, but want to share anyway to my friends, so at the moment both private stuffs and other stuffs are all in one hard disk and apaache runs all of them, how i can separate them |
| 23:21.18 | sney | I generally understand TRIM to be something that only people with early generation SSDs need to worry about |
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| 23:23.04 | sney | Bushmaster: hosting those sites separately with separate vhosts will make them look as separate to people on the internet as if they were on separate hard drives or even separate computers |
| 23:23.20 | sney | you should probably read the apache manual regarding virtual hosts. |
| 23:24.03 | Bushmaster | sney, they can stay in same hard drive, all i gotta do is learn how to do it in apache ? |
| 23:24.14 | sney | yes |
| 23:25.01 | cecchini | sney in fact my ssd ls early generation |
| 23:25.18 | sney | what's why I answered your question instead of saying you probably don't need it |
| 23:25.27 | Bushmaster | sney, so one machine, with Linux in it, and then apache in it, connected to 10TB external hard drive where i have both private and generial stuffs all together, can be served with two site address to two types of audiences |
| 23:25.36 | sney | Bushmaster: yes. |
| 23:27.00 | Bushmaster | sney and you know how to do it right? |
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| 23:27.40 | sney | I've set it up in the past but I always have to re-read the manual to make sure I'm doing it right, which you should do. https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/vhosts/ |
| 23:28.01 | sney | (I find it a little bit simpler in nginx, but it's the same principle and it doesn't really matter which one you use) |
| 23:28.24 | cecchini | sney yes i know. you have been very kind. Thank you. |
| 23:28.33 | sney | np |
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| 23:30.14 | Bushmaster | let me check the link sney |
| 23:31.51 | Bushmaster | sney, which one applies to me? Name Based IP? |
| 23:32.31 | sney | that depends on what you're doing |
| 23:32.40 | sney | but for most people it's name-based |
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| 23:34.17 | Bushmaster | if everything is in one hard drive, so basically, the path in document root needs changing depending on which one i wanna share with who in that name based Vhost script right? |
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| 23:40.14 | Bushmaster | sney, its too hard, cant get my head around but thanks for the basics |
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| 23:45.54 | karlpinc | I find nginx much simpler than apache. |
| 23:46.09 | Bushmaster | i never heard of it |
| 23:46.33 | karlpinc | Bushmaster: It might be more popular than apache by now, it was gaining strong some time ago. |
| 23:46.35 | karlpinc | nginx.org |
| 23:46.46 | Bushmaster | let me check |
| 23:47.07 | sney | the config files are smaller and the allow/deny stuff isn't there but you still need to understand what you're doing |
| 23:47.28 | karlpinc | Bushmaster: You an install them both and "systemctl disable" one. |
| 23:47.44 | karlpinc | No matter what you need to understand what you're doing. |
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| 23:48.22 | sney | and usually involves reading for more than 10 minutes before giving up |
| 23:48.23 | Bushmaster | karlpinc, that ngnix i am not sure i do not use windows and i need to use apache i think |
| 23:48.43 | karlpinc | Bushmaster: It's mostly used on Linux. |
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| 23:49.02 | sney | in debian, to install nginx you would "apt install nginx" |
| 23:49.11 | Bushmaster | sney, i have read it but i have many questions which i dont wanna bore you with hence its hard for me to understand without knowing the answers of my questions |
| 23:49.51 | Bushmaster | how do you even pronounce nginx |
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| 23:49.56 | Bushmaster | very weird name |
| 23:50.06 | sney | engine x |
| 23:50.06 | joepublic | "Engine X" |
| 23:50.25 | Bushmaster | very weird |
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| 23:51.16 | sney | I thinks it's russian |
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| 23:57.18 | Bushmaster | I will have to learn APache that all |
| 23:57.42 | Bushmaster | i do not proounce that nginc and it looks very weird to me |
| 23:58.13 | sney | like I said earlier the both do the same thing and it doesn't matter which one you use |
| 23:58.18 | Bushmaster | Russia is broken like Chinse Motorcycle right? |
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| 23:58.54 | sney | just spend a few days with apache, play around with the configs, maybe watch some videos if that's your thing, you'll figure it out. |
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| 23:59.14 | Bushmaster | sney can I write you private |
| 23:59.17 | sney | no |
| 23:59.21 | Bushmaster | oh no |
| 23:59.25 | Bushmaster | okay no problem |
| 23:59.30 | sney | I'm not going to privately teach you apache |
| 23:59.42 | sney | I had to learn it on my own. you can too. read the manual. |
| 23:59.44 | Bushmaster | no, i was going to share my server |
| 23:59.50 | Bushmaster | but i understood |
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