| 00:00.54 | annadane | also it's shorter to type |
| 00:01.01 | annadane | also, progress bar |
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| 00:14.25 | karlpinc | apt is way too chatty for me. :-P |
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| 00:15.47 | Guest88 | do u know minimal debian(main) demand? |
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| 00:16.01 | Guest88 | no site explain |
| 00:16.09 | N9NU | to chatty? |
| 00:16.13 | N9NU | oh myy |
| 00:16.24 | N9NU | ;) |
| 00:16.39 | Guest88 | only stats |
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| 00:23.16 | annadane | Guest88, yes, one moment |
| 00:23.44 | annadane | Guest88, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s04.en.html |
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| 00:24.27 | Guest88 | annadane about software, do u? |
| 00:24.36 | annadane | what about software? |
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| 00:25.30 | Guest88 | annadane server, vm, adm |
| 00:25.56 | annadane | can you expand on your question? are you looking for software recommendations? |
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| 00:26.36 | Guest88 | annadane category demand on these, virtualization, servers, adm |
| 00:26.51 | Guest88 | annadane effort |
| 00:27.29 | Guest88 | annadane intermidiate layer |
| 00:27.30 | annadane | i'm still not sure what the question is, though you can browse software at https://packages.debian.org/stable/ by category |
| 00:28.11 | Guest88 | annadane https://packages.debian.org/stable/ this r missing demand |
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| 00:28.34 | Guest88 | annadane thnak u |
| 00:28.44 | annadane | you're asking what takes the least effort? |
| 00:28.46 | Guest88 | annadane thank you |
| 00:28.52 | joepublic | demand, meaning how many use it, is in popcon |
| 00:28.58 | annadane | !popcon |
| 00:28.58 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
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| 00:29.33 | Guest88 | joepublic what is done, missing, like launchpad |
| 00:30.02 | joepublic | I am not that familiar with launchpad. |
| 00:30.18 | Guest88 | joepublic ok |
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| 00:34.20 | prefixt | Hello! My bluetooth devices seems to require my reloading of the driver (using kernel 4.9.0-12 Debain Bullseye). Is there something I can do to remedy the need to reset my bluetooth driver every few moments? |
| 00:34.53 | Guest88 | prefixt check h-node.org sup |
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| 01:01.06 | ritmo | guys anyone using the esr version of firefox or do most of you run the latest version already? (debian 10 here) |
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| 01:02.40 | annadane | well, not "latest", but latest stable version, yes |
| 01:02.44 | annadane | i don't run beta or nightly |
| 01:04.59 | ritmo | i had some troubles with my vpn browser extension |
| 01:05.06 | ritmo | but un 70+ it ran great |
| 01:05.27 | ritmo | i just purged the 68.6.0esr-1 version |
| 01:05.35 | ritmo | but i think i just install it again and see if it works now |
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| 02:07.30 | nt80 | my debian 10 installation periodically connects to fr.pool.ntp.org port 123 but I have no NTP daemon or client installed, what could it be? |
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| 02:10.59 | dvs | nt80, any /etc/ntp.conf file? |
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| 02:12.26 | nt80 | no, dvs . it's a fresh installation |
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| 02:17.16 | somiaj | nt80: systemd has a ntp daemon to keep your clocks synced, one second. |
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| 02:18.02 | somiaj | the services name is systemd-timesyncd.service if you wish to disable it |
| 02:18.18 | nt80 | ohh, thank you |
| 02:19.03 | somiaj | yea, systemd runs a ntp daemon if you don't have another one installed |
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| 02:29.47 | karlpinc | Shame I never saw systemd-timesyncd mentioned in any of the release notes. (Which does not necessarly mean it wasn't there, but I do read them.) |
| 02:29.58 | neilthereildeil | hi, can someone please help me fix my Debian laptop's builtin mic? i dont know if the problem is with alsa or pulseaudio |
| 02:31.08 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 02:31.08 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 02:32.03 | karlpinc | neilthereildeil: I hear pulseaudio uses alsa. So start by debugging alsa and then get pulseaudio working. |
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| 02:37.06 | dvs | karlpinc, why does seeing the timesyncd release notes matter? |
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| 03:10.37 | neilthereildeil | karlpinc: i dont even see the microphone device |
| 03:10.49 | neilthereildeil | i think thats the first step |
| 03:10.54 | neilthereildeil | figure out why the device doesnt show up |
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| 03:19.16 | ball | Mornin' |
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| 03:21.02 | dolphinlovesban | Is Debian ran by pink-socked trannies? I just want to know. |
| 03:21.15 | dolphinlovesban | Considering that they ignore my messages to fix stale packages, yes. |
| 03:21.25 | dolphinlovesban | I spam, ban evade, etc. |
| 03:21.30 | dolphinlovesban | >very fun dolphin |
| 03:21.35 | dolphinlovesban | I was called a sperg however |
| 03:21.55 | neilthereildeil | dolphinlovesban: well, i guess you asked and answered your own question. |
| 03:22.50 | ball | I'm not trans but I'd happily wear pink socks if the occasion called for it |
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| 03:26.13 | karlpinc | dvs: Because it looks like on some boxes both ntp and systemd-timesyncd are enabled. |
| 03:26.16 | joepublic | I also love pink socks. |
| 03:27.17 | dvs | oh, that could be a problem. Fight, fight, fight, fight. ;-) |
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| 03:29.04 | trui | and orange for ubuntu? ;) |
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| 03:31.12 | jif-guest | Hi, please I need help: asking here because no one active in #knoppix. I created a text file using knoppix livedvd latest. I saved to hd and rebooted to windowS. I then discovered i didn't save to hd, i saved to /home/ |
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| 03:31.57 | jif-guest | i'm on a phone because i didn't want to touch anything. Is there any way to recover this file? |
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| 03:32.25 | lwp | probably that /home/ was in a ram disk, if you were working in a live system |
| 03:32.43 | karlpinc | jif-guest: That probably depends on how knoppix was booted. The likelyhood is that the file is gone. |
| 03:32.43 | ball | jif-guest: No, it's gone. |
| 03:32.54 | ball | ^- what karlpinc said. |
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| 03:33.53 | lwp | unless you have some kind of persistence pre-configured in your knoppix, and it is on a USB ? (unlikely, unless you did it on purpose) |
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| 03:34.22 | jif-guest | I debated that but didnt |
| 03:35.07 | jif-guest | thanks |
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| 04:16.39 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 04:17.10 | neilthereildeil | i followed the suggestions you all told me fo rfixing my internal mic in my dell precision 7520 laptop, but the mic is still not recognized |
| 04:17.17 | neilthereildeil | does debian use alsa-base? |
| 04:17.37 | neilthereildeil | should i be modifying /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf? |
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| 04:21.11 | sney | neilthereildeil: if you run 'arecord -l' in a terminal, what do you see? |
| 04:21.26 | neilthereildeil | as root? |
| 04:21.38 | sney | shouldn't matter |
| 04:22.01 | neilthereildeil | oh wow! i do see it... |
| 04:22.01 | neilthereildeil | card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3254 Analog [ALC3254 Analog] |
| 04:22.27 | neilthereildeil | but then why cant skype see it? |
| 04:22.48 | sney | is your user in the audio group? |
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| 04:23.38 | neilthereildeil | yes, etc/group shows that neil is in the audio goup: audio:x:29:neil,pulse |
| 04:25.47 | sney | skype is a bit of an odd duck (and not officially supported) - if you go to e.g. https://www.onlinemictest.com in a browser and run the microphone test, do you get a result? |
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| 04:26.42 | neilthereildeil | i went there in chrome |
| 04:26.46 | neilthereildeil | no its not detected |
| 04:26.54 | neilthereildeil | We can't find your microphone - that most probably means that it's either not connected, broken, or you don't have the proper webcam drivers (see below) |
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| 04:27.40 | neilthereildeil | we might want to test with a native application so we dont have to deal with browser security |
| 04:28.15 | sney | if you run 'aplay somefilename.wav' it should start recording |
| 04:28.25 | sney | sorry, arecord somefilename.wav |
| 04:28.39 | neilthereildeil | i tried that |
| 04:28.42 | neilthereildeil | nothing |
| 04:29.02 | sney | nothing as in... |
| 04:29.31 | neilthereildeil | i dont hear anything when i play that file |
| 04:29.43 | neilthereildeil | it created a file though |
| 04:29.58 | sney | and it said something like "Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono" |
| 04:30.03 | sney | ? |
| 04:30.17 | neilthereildeil | ya |
| 04:30.18 | neilthereildeil | Recording WAVE 'somefilename.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
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| 04:30.44 | sney | if you open that file with audacity, is there a waveform (even really small) or is it just flat |
| 04:31.14 | neilthereildeil | in fiddling with all of this, my KDE system tray audio icon went away (i might have uninstalled that app). so i installed pavucontrol instead |
| 04:31.22 | neilthereildeil | pavucontrol doesnt say anything about realtek |
| 04:31.35 | neilthereildeil | i know realtek is the device to use because the windows dualboot on this laptop uses realtek |
| 04:31.59 | neilthereildeil | i opened it with mplayer and aplay but dont hear anything |
| 04:32.36 | sney | the suggestion to open it with audacity is so you can see if anything was recorded. it may just be very quiet. |
| 04:32.54 | neilthereildeil | ok ill install it |
| 04:33.04 | sney | audacity is an audio editor so you will be able to see the waveform without playing the file. |
| 04:33.13 | sney | huh, I thought it was usually in the desktop task |
| 04:33.31 | neilthereildeil | also i increased the levels in alsamixer |
| 04:33.40 | neilthereildeil | but there are only 2 controls available in alsamixer |
| 04:34.19 | sney | and your microphone doesn't have a gain control. so let's make sure. |
| 04:34.33 | neilthereildeil | i dunno if it has gain control |
| 04:34.38 | neilthereildeil | we might need to check the levels again |
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| 04:34.47 | neilthereildeil | audacity has a flatline waveform |
| 04:34.58 | sney | ok. nothing was recorded after all. |
| 04:35.22 | neilthereildeil | pavucontrol "recording streams" menu is also empty |
| 04:36.02 | neilthereildeil | i also have zoom teleconference installed on here if skype is an odd duck |
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| 04:36.32 | sney | well if arecord isn't getting anything then it's a pretty low-level problem. |
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| 04:36.55 | neilthereildeil | heres the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf: ptions snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi |
| 04:37.01 | neilthereildeil | i dunno if its correct |
| 04:37.02 | sney | how new is that laptop? have you tried the backports kernel for a newer sound driver? |
| 04:37.26 | sney | if your sound device is realtek then snd_hda_intel is probably not going to help |
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| 04:37.28 | neilthereildeil | im running kernel 5.4.0.0. the laptop is 2 years old. Dell Precision 7520 |
| 04:37.48 | neilthereildeil | i tried looking for a list of options to put htere but didnt see anything |
| 04:38.40 | neilthereildeil | how would i specify Realtek ALC3254? |
| 04:39.01 | sney | you wouldn't, but the driver is snd_hda_codec_realtek |
| 04:39.13 | sney | it doesn't have any driver options anyway |
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| 04:39.44 | neilthereildeil | i also didnt know what to put for model=, but i found a list here https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html#alc22x-23x-25x-269-27x-28x-29x-and-vendor-specific-alc3xxx-models |
| 04:40.58 | sney | ah, I guess it is using intel hda. you can see driver options for that with /sbin/modinfo snd_intel_hda though nothing is really standing out here |
| 04:41.33 | neilthereildeil | is snd_hda_codec_realtek a module in alsa, or a driver module in the kernel? |
| 04:41.38 | sney | yes |
| 04:41.45 | neilthereildeil | yes to which one? |
| 04:41.54 | sney | both. alsa is the linux kernel audio subsystem |
| 04:42.10 | neilthereildeil | but would i see a kernel module called snd_hda_codec_realtek? |
| 04:42.14 | sney | yes |
| 04:42.24 | neilthereildeil | hmm i should see that loaded in lsmod then? |
| 04:42.43 | neilthereildeil | ok snd_hda_codec_realtek IS loaded |
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| 04:43.13 | neilthereildeil | snd_hda_intel is loaded also |
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| 04:45.33 | neilthereildeil | sney: since you said its using intel hda, what should the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf be? |
| 04:45.55 | sney | usually? nothing, autodetection just works |
| 04:46.44 | neilthereildeil | i dont think i have a package called alsa-base even installed |
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| 04:46.51 | neilthereildeil | what should hte package name be? |
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| 04:47.02 | sney | files in modprobe.d are parsed at boot regardless of names or what packages are installed |
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| 04:47.32 | sney | so any options you're putting in there are being applied to the drivers when they load |
| 04:48.04 | sney | that is unless they're in the initrd, but you can run update-initramfs -u after editing the files to make absolutely sure |
| 04:48.44 | neilthereildeil | well, i see all the relevant drivers loaded |
| 04:48.55 | neilthereildeil | you are saying realtek uses the intel driver? |
| 04:49.32 | sney | yeah, intel hda is an audio standard, I forgot about that. so lots of sound controllers are "intel hda" regardless of who actually made the chip |
| 04:49.46 | neilthereildeil | wow ok |
| 04:49.52 | neilthereildeil | then why is the realtek driver needed? |
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| 04:50.17 | sney | we're pretty far into the weeds now, I could only guess |
| 04:50.45 | sney | you have sound playing, right? it's just the microphone that doesn't work? |
| 04:50.52 | neilthereildeil | yes |
| 04:51.10 | neilthereildeil | i guess i could add ANOTHER like to the alsa-base.conf file containing snd_hda_codec_realtek? |
| 04:51.25 | sney | snd_hda_codec_realtek doesn't have any options so that wouldn't do anything |
| 04:53.19 | sney | does the laptop have a microphone port on the side? do you have a 1/8" plug you can put in there, like headphones? see if pulse or pavucontrol detects a "microphone" when something is plugged in |
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| 04:53.41 | neilthereildeil | it has a port for the standard 3.5mm headphones |
| 04:53.49 | neilthereildeil | like you would plug into an android phone |
| 04:53.58 | neilthereildeil | i have headphones that have a mic built in |
| 04:54.01 | neilthereildeil | lemme check... |
| 04:54.39 | sney | if it's a headphone jack then that's not what we're testing, unless it's a combo jack |
| 04:54.55 | sney | some sound controllers only present the microphone if the actual hardware is present |
| 04:55.00 | neilthereildeil | i THINK its a combo jack |
| 04:55.04 | neilthereildeil | hmm |
| 04:55.30 | sney | (and then if this works, the next step is to take your laptop apart and find where the webcam microphone connection is broken/loose) |
| 04:55.41 | neilthereildeil | in pavucontrol, input devices show "Hardware Input Devices" says no input devices available |
| 04:56.11 | neilthereildeil | however, show all input devices lists "Monitor of built in analog stereo" |
| 04:56.39 | neilthereildeil | sney: but remember, dualbooting windows 10 recognizes the realtek mic |
| 04:56.42 | neilthereildeil | and it works |
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| 04:56.53 | sney | argh, ok |
| 04:57.02 | sney | has it ever worked under linux? |
| 04:57.03 | neilthereildeil | so its a software issue |
| 04:57.33 | neilthereildeil | also system settings->multimedia->Audio Recording has everythign grayed out |
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| 04:57.59 | neilthereildeil | i dont think i ever tried it |
| 04:58.04 | neilthereildeil | so im not sur eif it ever worked |
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| 04:59.03 | sney | and you're *positive* that windows lists realtek for the microphone specifically, not just audio in general? |
| 04:59.34 | neilthereildeil | yea i saw the bar going up when i spoke next to the realtek entry |
| 04:59.39 | neilthereildeil | this is interesting |
| 04:59.47 | neilthereildeil | alsactl init Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC3254" "HDA:10ec0295,102807b0,00100002 HDA:80862809,80860101,00100000" "0x1028" "0x07b0" Hardware is initialized using a generic method |
| 05:00.06 | neilthereildeil | HDA:10ec0295 is the vendor/device ID of the working microphone on windows 10 |
| 05:00.21 | neilthereildeil | so it sees the device |
| 05:00.50 | neilthereildeil | are audio devices on the PCI bus? |
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| 05:01.40 | sney | usually |
| 05:01.43 | neilthereildeil | sney: also see https://superuser.com/questions/1312970/headset-microphone-not-detected-by-pulse-und-alsa |
| 05:02.10 | neilthereildeil | thats where i was told to put "options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi" in alsa-base.conf |
| 05:02.18 | neilthereildeil | and look at that comment under the solution |
| 05:02.28 | neilthereildeil | Also confirmed to work for Dell Precision 7520, Ubuntu 18.04 by marp. |
| 05:02.34 | sney | but your problem is with the laptop built in microphone, not a headset in a combo jack, right? |
| 05:02.40 | neilthereildeil | thats the exact model laptop i have |
| 05:02.46 | neilthereildeil | yes exactly |
| 05:02.50 | neilthereildeil | its the built in mic |
| 05:03.24 | sney | so a headset jack specific tweak shouldn't affect you at all |
| 05:03.42 | neilthereildeil | no |
| 05:03.54 | neilthereildeil | but everyone is using the deadset option |
| 05:04.25 | neilthereildeil | the same list i linked you earlier (https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html#alc22x-23x-25x-269-27x-28x-29x-and-vendor-specific-alc3xxx-models) is linked there |
| 05:04.31 | neilthereildeil | thats actually how i got the list |
| 05:04.32 | sney | still, you tried this and rebooted and nothing happened, right? |
| 05:04.52 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 05:05.01 | sney | qed |
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| 05:05.18 | neilthereildeil | ohh wait audacity lists it.. |
| 05:05.28 | neilthereildeil | as an input device |
| 05:05.47 | sney | audacity probably just sees the same list as arecord, but try recording and see what happens |
| 05:06.50 | neilthereildeil | ohh wow that works! |
| 05:07.01 | sney | you got a recording? |
| 05:07.11 | neilthereildeil | yep! |
| 05:07.13 | neilthereildeil | nice! |
| 05:07.38 | sney | ok, so it's not a driver problem. somehow. |
| 05:07.39 | neilthereildeil | my hunch was that a program like audacity would have a quality recording system |
| 05:07.43 | neilthereildeil | hmm yea |
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| 05:08.02 | neilthereildeil | hmmm but why doesnt skype see it now? |
| 05:08.31 | neilthereildeil | and neither does zoom |
| 05:08.32 | sney | well, if audacity can do it by talking directly to alsa, and your other programs can't and they're using pulse, you could remove pulse |
| 05:08.43 | neilthereildeil | hmm what value does pulse add? |
| 05:08.44 | sney | audacity didn't change anything else about the system |
| 05:08.58 | neilthereildeil | and how do u know audactiy talks direclty to als? |
| 05:09.08 | sney | because I've used it before |
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| 05:09.44 | Aliez | kk |
| 05:09.49 | neilthereildeil | why do i nee dpulseaudio? |
| 05:10.41 | sney | pulse is supposed to help multiple applications produce sound at the same time, and manage multiple sound devices, but it's often optional |
| 05:11.20 | neilthereildeil | yea i remember thinking linux was a joke when coming from the windows world and seeing only 1 application can play sound at a time |
| 05:11.21 | neilthereildeil | lolwtf |
| 05:11.30 | neilthereildeil | how can i remove pulse? |
| 05:12.00 | sney | 'apt remove pulseaudio' |
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| 05:13.29 | neilthereildeil | ok rebooting... |
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| 05:23.56 | neilthereildeil | awesome, skype now works |
| 05:24.03 | neilthereildeil | the problem was pulse audio! |
| 05:24.12 | tynes | hey i have a question about using the debian control mail server? |
| 05:24.16 | tynes | is this a good place to ask? |
| 05:24.31 | sney | neilthereildeil: great, glad you got it working |
| 05:24.42 | neilthereildeil | thanks so much for your help! |
| 05:24.46 | neilthereildeil | and persistence |
| 05:25.16 | sney | tynes: you can try, though if it's not in the documentation then a dev channel might know better |
| 05:26.07 | neilthereildeil | whats the KDE widget that sits in the systray for voue? |
| 05:26.32 | tynes | sney: thanks for the response. i want to retitle something from an RFP to an ITP |
| 05:27.01 | tynes | i thought that i was following the docs, but am getting an error back |
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| 05:28.05 | sney | afaik the syntax is 'retitle bugnumber newtitle' |
| 05:28.09 | tynes | retitle integer "ITP: package-name -- description" |
| 05:28.41 | tynes | i'll try again, i wasn't sure about whitespace |
| 05:28.42 | sney | the search results I'm seeing indicate that no quotes are neccessary |
| 05:28.51 | tynes | ok thank you |
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| 05:29.07 | sney | neilthereildeil: on my system it seems to just be called 'audio volume' |
| 05:31.04 | neilthereildeil | sney: how can i reinstall it? |
| 05:31.44 | sney | on a default panel, click the controls to the right of the clock and then select 'add widget' and it will probably be in the list |
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| 05:34.59 | neilthereildeil | ok thanks for all your help! |
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| 08:14.56 | hudo | with regard to future dist-upgrades, what/where is the best/recommanded way to install perl modules from cpan, as root or normal user ? Later all 'perl modules' will be used from normal user. |
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| 08:19.00 | bionade24 | Can someone help me with my Xserver Problems? I have a Ryzen 3200G iGPU, latest buster and get Fatal Server error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs. |
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| 08:21.58 | jm_ | hudo: be careful doing it as root, I've seen people corrupt perl install by using CPAN as root |
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| 08:24.35 | jm_ | bionade24: have you tried using newer kernel from bpo? |
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| 08:33.59 | bionade24 | jm_: Is the kernel really the problem? |
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| 08:39.11 | jm_ | bionade24: to be honest, I don't know - I've only ever used nvidia cards with non-free driver or intel GPU where hardware was not exactly very recent |
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| 08:44.25 | bionade24 | jm_: I investigated and yes, you're right. I'm not very interested in new CPUs so I didn't expect the 3200G to be that new at it is. Upgrading to 5.4 helped. |
| 08:44.39 | hudo | jm_so you recommend to install perl modules as normal user ? |
| 08:45.49 | hudo | I'm asking cause by upgrading from jessie to stretch I came across a perl problem: |
| 08:45.58 | hudo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.28 | jm_ | hudo: in general it's probably a better idea (especially if it messes with binary files) |
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| 08:52.08 | hudo | Does the normal user have to set some env perl variables ? |
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| 08:53.19 | os_ | hudo, it depends on script, i think |
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| 08:54.16 | os_ | some scripts need some env variable, but most doesn't |
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| 08:58.15 | jm_ | looking at perl -V output, I am not sure how it would work, man CPAN does mention install should work, and your output above suggests it knows how to find the files |
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| 09:17.28 | zapatista | Tor stopped working on my debian buster machine. Anybody happens to know if transport etc. changed. Since I cannot reach the tor network itself. I cannot find out by myself. |
| 09:17.41 | afidegnum | what's the difference between slapd and openldap? |
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| 09:21.58 | watom | zapatista there is a new version in backports |
| 09:22.09 | watom | zapatista also maybe you want to show your logs to debug |
| 09:24.08 | zapatista | OK I will check my debug logs first and try to figure out what's happening!... |
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| 09:24.45 | zapatista | Since TOR is censored in this most most democratic country, I only can reach TOR network through transports. |
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| 09:25.35 | u53r_4n0n_101 | wait wait wait |
| 09:25.37 | u53r_4n0n_101 | zapatista |
| 09:25.53 | u53r_4n0n_101 | what? |
| 09:25.58 | u53r_4n0n_101 | what I've lose? |
| 09:26.07 | u53r_4n0n_101 | TOR? cesnored? wich country? |
| 09:26.30 | zapatista | The most democratic country of the world!... :D |
| 09:26.52 | u53r_4n0n_101 | USA? |
| 09:27.22 | zapatista | Just being sarcastic. Never mind. |
| 09:27.35 | u53r_4n0n_101 | ah, ok |
| 09:28.13 | u53r_4n0n_101 | for a moment, i was scared |
| 09:28.28 | u53r_4n0n_101 | anyway, tor it's |
| 09:28.34 | u53r_4n0n_101 | it's... part of dw |
| 09:28.44 | zapatista | DW? |
| 09:29.11 | zapatista | Dark Web? |
| 09:29.12 | u53r_4n0n_101 | no |
| 09:29.16 | u53r_4n0n_101 | yes |
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| 09:29.45 | zapatista | I sometimes use it to reach censored resources. Never mind, I shall troubleshoot it. |
| 09:30.11 | u53r_4n0n_101 | Better run it in TAILS |
| 09:30.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | in vm's |
| 09:30.35 | jelly | afidegnum, slapd is the server component of OpenLDAP, depending on context they might be the same thing |
| 09:32.45 | zapatista | Since TOR is censored, TAILS also must be configured to use pluggable transports. |
| 09:33.16 | zapatista | TOR browser is working. What is gone is box's own TOR service. |
| 09:33.51 | jelly | hudo, least problems for me happen if NOTHING is installed from cpan directly. I get as much as possible from the distro, and then use dh-make-perl to package up missing bits |
| 09:33.57 | watom | to avoid censorship is not easier to use a vpn zapatista? |
| 09:34.44 | u53r_4n0n_101 | yes |
| 09:34.54 | u53r_4n0n_101 | but not so eficient |
| 09:34.59 | watom | why not |
| 09:35.10 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry zapatista |
| 09:35.22 | u53r_4n0n_101 | he/she was asking to u |
| 09:35.39 | zapatista | I don't want to pay for VPN. When you make payment, you are not exactly anonymous. |
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| 09:36.02 | watom | oh i see. i thuogh you only wanted to access to content to make content |
| 09:36.07 | watom | thought |
| 09:36.12 | u53r_4n0n_101 | wait |
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| 09:36.19 | watom | *not to make content |
| 09:36.21 | u53r_4n0n_101 | watom |
| 09:36.43 | u53r_4n0n_101 | wich OS are using? |
| 09:37.21 | watom | chrome os |
| 09:37.26 | zapatista | This box is debian Buster |
| 09:37.36 | zapatista | And I only use tor on this box. |
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| 09:37.56 | u53r_4n0n_101 | ok |
| 09:37.58 | zapatista | since it is (probably) a debian issue, I asked about it. |
| 09:38.13 | u53r_4n0n_101 | box? |
| 09:38.19 | jelly | zapatista, old tor version from the distro, or from upstream? |
| 09:38.20 | zapatista | Computer, I mean. |
| 09:38.35 | zapatista | I checked the version seems to be matching. |
| 09:38.35 | u53r_4n0n_101 | oh no |
| 09:38.39 | zapatista | Just a moment. |
| 09:38.44 | jelly | ,v tor |
| 09:38.45 | judd | Package: tor on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-security: 0.2.5.16-1; stretch-security: 0.2.9.15-1; stretch: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-updates: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-backports: 0.3.5.8-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.5.8-1; buster-proposed-updates: 0.3.5.10-1; buster-security: 0.3.5.10-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 0.4.2.6-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 0.4.2.7-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.4.2.7-1; |
| 09:38.46 | judd | sid: 0.4.2.7-1; experimental: 0.4.3.2-alpha-1 |
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| 09:39.22 | jelly | zapatista, if from the distro, see if upgrading to one in backports helps. |
| 09:39.28 | jelly | !buster-backports |
| 09:39.28 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 09:39.37 | zapatista | On bust it does not work out of the box. You need to add pluggable transport. |
| 09:39.46 | zapatista | Which requires you to set some apparmor thing. |
| 09:39.51 | zapatista | Quite complicated. |
| 09:40.01 | zapatista | I did a few times. But if you ask me how I did. |
| 09:40.01 | jelly | has no clue about Tor |
| 09:40.12 | zapatista | I have no idea about it. |
| 09:40.24 | watom | uhm why you say in buster? or even in debian |
| 09:40.37 | watom | sounds like you don't use just tor but something lese |
| 09:40.54 | zapatista | What can it be? |
| 09:41.00 | watom | pluggable transport ? |
| 09:41.01 | u53r_4n0n_101 | and, zapatista, you want to tor for access to where all we know? |
| 09:41.08 | watom | do you mean obfs? |
| 09:41.19 | zapatista | I am trying to reach some torrent sites, which are censored here. |
| 09:41.28 | zapatista | obfs does not work. |
| 09:41.35 | zapatista | The other one, which I forget. |
| 09:41.44 | u53r_4n0n_101 | obfs? |
| 09:41.56 | zapatista | The other one uses the cloud. |
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| 09:42.00 | zapatista | Let me check. |
| 09:42.55 | zapatista | it is called meek. |
| 09:43.50 | zapatista | When you add meek, you need to make some changes to apparmor too. |
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| 09:44.13 | zapatista | Otherwise it does not work (because of the censorship). |
| 09:44.47 | u53r_4n0n_101 | it says it's deprecated |
| 09:45.11 | zapatista | meek is deprecated? |
| 09:45.23 | zapatista | That's why it stopped working. |
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| 09:45.48 | u53r_4n0n_101 | no |
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| 09:46.01 | u53r_4n0n_101 | obfs it's |
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| 09:46.28 | zapatista | OBFS was not working in this place for a loooong time either. |
| 09:46.43 | jelly | zapatista, which version of tor do you have installed? |
| 09:46.55 | jelly | maybe just upgrading could help things |
| 09:47.15 | zapatista | 0.3.5.10. |
| 09:47.30 | zapatista | However it (the repository) says it is the latest. |
| 09:47.45 | jelly | go install from buster-backports and see if there's any difference. |
| 09:47.53 | zapatista | I will. |
| 09:48.20 | noqnio1 | Hi. I'm on debian testing and I just noticed that there are no single queue IO schedulers available for my HDD, and I would like to use CFQ. Is this a bug? Shouldn't single queue schedulers be available for HDDs ? |
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| 09:48.44 | u53r_4n0n_101 | but backports were stable? |
| 09:48.47 | jelly | noqnio1, those don't exist in newer kernels |
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| 09:49.19 | noqnio1 | I thought they offered superior performance for SCSI devices ? |
| 09:49.42 | jelly | noqnio1, do you have an actual performance issue? |
| 09:50.21 | noqnio1 | I went down the rabbit hole when libvirt couldn't start a domain that had a blkiotune.weight parameter |
| 09:50.40 | noqnio1 | But I haven't benchmarked the performance of the HDD |
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| 09:55.34 | jm_ | maybe you can use bfq instead, i think there were some issues, but they were fixed in newer kernels |
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| 09:56.46 | noqnio1 | It seems to not be available. Is it a module? |
| 09:57.05 | noqnio1 | Yes, modprobe bfq worked hehe |
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| 10:01.14 | noqnio1 | Maybe I should benchmark mq-deadline vs bfq on my machine. Is there any tool to test random writes on the HDD? |
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| 10:11.18 | u53r_4n0n_101 | linux mint came from ubuntu, right? and ubuntu came from debian |
| 10:11.22 | u53r_4n0n_101 | so |
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| 10:12.11 | jelly | noqnio1, if you really have an old scsi device it's going to be slow one way or the other. Rule of thumb for servers, keep using deadline / mq-deadline unless you know a lot better. |
| 10:12.11 | Haohmaru | !based on debian |
| 10:12.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 10:12.21 | u53r_4n0n_101 | no no no |
| 10:12.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | I have debian |
| 10:12.29 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i386 |
| 10:12.31 | jelly | !lmde |
| 10:12.31 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 10:12.34 | jelly | !mint |
| 10:12.35 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 10:12.48 | u53r_4n0n_101 | right |
| 10:12.51 | u53r_4n0n_101 | then |
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| 10:13.10 | jelly | u53r_4n0n_101, they have had various releases, some based off ubuntu, some off debian |
| 10:13.16 | u53r_4n0n_101 | If I install lxc in debian, it should be working smooth, right? |
| 10:13.25 | jelly | !tias |
| 10:13.26 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 10:13.36 | u53r_4n0n_101 | thanks |
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| 10:16.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i386 has support for emulations? |
| 10:16.27 | u53r_4n0n_101 | pardon |
| 10:16.34 | u53r_4n0n_101 | for virtualization |
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| 10:17.45 | u53r_4n0n_101 | talking about debian netinstall |
| 10:18.09 | oerheks | u53r_4n0n_101, does your CPU support VT-X ? |
| 10:19.01 | u53r_4n0n_101 | how can I know it? |
| 10:19.04 | u53r_4n0n_101 | excuse me |
| 10:19.21 | u53r_4n0n_101 | I'm not I.T. |
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| 10:19.44 | u53r_4n0n_101 | I'm an autodidact |
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| 10:20.05 | u53r_4n0n_101 | But I'll search what you said |
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| 10:21.09 | oerheks | VT-x for intel, or AMD-v for Amd, virtualbox wants that extention in your cpu |
| 10:21.31 | u53r_4n0n_101 | oh |
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| 10:23.32 | afidegnum | using debian stretch, while setting up phpldapadmin, how do i configure samba users attached to ldap ? |
| 10:24.17 | u53r_4n0n_101 | seems to be that I must quit and see if I can enable (or if I have) this. |
| 10:24.51 | u53r_4n0n_101 | @afidegnum thanks! |
| 10:25.22 | ratrace | afidegnum: check this out https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend |
| 10:27.38 | ratrace | I'm not sure virtualbox requires vt-x, except for x86_64 virt (but the host here is x86_32). qemu-kvm most definitely does. |
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| 10:28.02 | ratrace | anyway, vbox is no more in buster, so that tidbit is probably irrelevant |
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| 10:29.38 | afidegnum | ratrace: i have a domain name, myngo.org should i set dc=myngo, dc=org and the IP address as public IP ? |
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| 10:30.14 | ratrace | afidegnum: I don't know how to answer that. |
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| 10:47.39 | u53r_4n0n_10 | and for install lxc? |
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| 10:59.10 | u53r_4n0n_10 | no |
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| 10:59.56 | u53r_4n0n_10 | this doesn't have it |
| 11:00.13 | u53r_4n0n_10 | VT-x |
| 11:00.20 | NotSoSlimShady | Hello! I am encountering issues regarding a hdmi to vga converter on a Debian 10 machine using a nvidia gpu with proprietary drivers and an old monitor with vga. The converter in question is functional. After removing the dedicated gpu i was able to get video from the motherboard vga port, from the hdmi motherboard port along with the converter i wasnt able to get video. Has anyone ever encountered this problem? |
| 11:00.58 | ratrace | u53r_4n0n_10: check /proc/cpuinfo if keywords like "vmx" or "svm" appear under "flags" |
| 11:01.18 | ratrace | u53r_4n0n_10: LXC is namespacing/containerization, and not virtualization, doens't require HW support |
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| 11:04.23 | u53r_4n0n_10 | ratrace: none of both. any other? |
| 11:04.44 | jelly | u53r_4n0n_10, which cpu model is it? vmx can be disabled in bios. |
| 11:04.54 | ratrace | u53r_4n0n_10: nope. but you can also verify by checking cpu specs. which cpu is that? |
| 11:05.16 | jelly | u53r_4n0n_10, grep model.name /proc/cpuinfo |head -n1 |
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| 11:07.00 | u53r_4n0n_10 | intel r atom tm cpu n2600 @1.60Ghz |
| 11:07.09 | u53r_4n0n_10 | sorry 4 the delay |
| 11:07.34 | u53r_4n0n_10 | mine connection is slow and I'm a bit tired |
| 11:07.51 | u53r_4n0n_10 | I get up at 4:30 |
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| 11:07.53 | jelly | oh, N2600 does not have VT-x |
| 11:08.03 | ratrace | yeah, none of that. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/58916/intel-atom-processor-n2600-1m-cache-1-6-ghz.html |
| 11:08.04 | u53r_4n0n_10 | now it's 7:30 |
| 11:08.05 | u53r_4n0n_10 | oh no |
| 11:08.11 | u53r_4n0n_10 | well |
| 11:08.33 | u53r_4n0n_10 | at least can i use it on a amd64? |
| 11:08.33 | jelly | containers it is for you |
| 11:08.46 | ratrace | u53r_4n0n_10: you should be able to use virtualbox, just not with 64-bit guests. however, there's no virtualbox in buster |
| 11:08.49 | u53r_4n0n_10 | let me tell you its info |
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| 11:09.06 | u53r_4n0n_10 | oh |
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| 11:11.06 | trek00 | NotSoSlimShady: searching on the web, it seems hdmi to vga may be problematic, may be you need an "active" converter or a dvi or dp to vga converter |
| 11:11.13 | u53r_4n0n_10 | just asking |
| 11:11.41 | NotSoSlimShady | The converter is working |
| 11:11.59 | NotSoSlimShady | I tested it on multiple machines |
| 11:12.20 | u53r_4n0n_10 | would you need the info of my amd64? or not? buster (this version) does not have spport for virtualbox? |
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| 11:12.41 | trek00 | NotSoSlimShady: is it working on the same hardware with a different operating system? |
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| 11:13.15 | NotSoSlimShady | on the same hardware no |
| 11:13.27 | NotSoSlimShady | ill check |
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| 11:13.53 | NotSoSlimShady | it doesnt even work in bios configuration via hdmi |
| 11:14.03 | trek00 | NotSoSlimShady: it may be you nvidia card does not work with a passive converter |
| 11:14.14 | ratrace | u53r_4n0n_10: sure, post it. no, buster does not package virtualbox due to patching problems with the upstream. but I think there's alternative ways, if you wanna use it, I think the upstream has its own deb repo. |
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| 11:15.08 | NotSoSlimShady | even the motherboard hdmi is not working |
| 11:15.39 | afidegnum | can anyone please clarify these 2 docs for me please? https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend and https://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAServerSetup ? i'm using Stretch |
| 11:16.02 | u53r_4n0n_10 | yes, give me a moment |
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| 11:17.06 | trek00 | afidegnum: what is it unclear? |
| 11:18.03 | afidegnum | one doc is LDAP authentication with sambaserver setup, and another is samba with ldap backend which is a bit confusing for me |
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| 11:20.05 | CAZALS | Hey |
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| 11:20.10 | CAZALS | how are you ? |
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| 11:20.20 | u53r_4n0n_10 | fine |
| 11:20.24 | u53r_4n0n_10 | and u? |
| 11:20.31 | CAZALS | fine thank you |
| 11:20.51 | CAZALS | Where are you from? |
| 11:21.23 | u53r_4n0n_10 | well |
| 11:21.30 | u53r_4n0n_10 | I have the snapshot |
| 11:21.44 | u53r_4n0n_10 | it's a MSI |
| 11:21.57 | u53r_4n0n_10 | A68HM-E33 V2 |
| 11:22.00 | trek00 | afidegnum: what do you need? a samba server authenticated with ldap or a samba server used as domain controller? |
| 11:22.20 | u53r_4n0n_10 | How I upload it? |
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| 11:25.33 | afidegnum | trek00: this is where it gets confusing, i think the first option. i don't know much the difference between the 2, what i need is a user accessing his ldap server and has it's basic config files setup from wondws, and he can seamless use his account |
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| 11:27.09 | trek00 | afidegnum: well if you have already a domain controller on a windows system, then you only need to configure samba to use the ldap server, thus SAMBAServerSetup should be the correct page |
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| 11:28.26 | simplicius | hello |
| 11:28.43 | simplicius | I cannot execute a script in my /home/user/bin dir |
| 11:29.33 | afidegnum | trek00: should the domain controller be on windows or Linux? |
| 11:30.11 | trek00 | afidegnum: it can be on windows or linux, it's your choice |
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| 11:30.31 | afidegnum | i want it to be on linux |
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| 11:31.57 | trek00 | afidegnum: i'm not an expert about microsoft stuff, but if you want a domain controller on linux, the page you need is SambaDcWithLdapBackend |
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| 11:32.18 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 11:33.52 | afidegnum | i have nginx setup already, do i need to install phpLDAPadmin via apt-get or i should download and drop into the default web directory? |
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| 11:36.14 | topogigio | list please |
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| 11:38.18 | trek00 | afidegnum: i don't know sorry, never used it, but phpLDAPadmin is not in buster, current stable, may be you need to drop into the web directory |
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| 11:41.07 | topogigio | list |
| 11:41.18 | Haohmaru | 1, 2, 3 |
| 11:41.48 | topogigio | please list |
| 11:42.04 | dvs | www.debian.org |
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| 11:42.18 | trek00 | topogigio: which list? |
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| 11:44.38 | ratrace | warez list |
| 11:44.45 | joepublic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.58 | Haohmaru | warez == full of viruses |
| 11:45.17 | trek00 | Haohmaru: runs your virus under wine, they do nothing :) |
| 11:45.19 | afidegnum | ok |
| 11:45.32 | topogigio | 1,2,3 |
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| 11:45.51 | ratrace | trek00: think again, CVE-2017-11421 |
| 11:45.53 | Haohmaru | trek00 i don't have wine |
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| 11:46.27 | trek00 | ratrace: wow gnome is vulnerable! :D |
| 11:46.32 | Haohmaru | and i wouldn't assume wine somehow stops viruses from working |
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| 11:47.07 | ratrace | Haohmaru: it doesn't. windows kernel exploiting ones, yes, probably. various vbscripts and similar? probably work fine under wine. |
| 11:47.15 | trek00 | Haohmaru: they works, confined inside the wine environment, but if you allow wine to access all the filesystem (default configuration) you may experience some problem |
| 11:47.41 | Haohmaru | i'll try to NOT have to use wine.. ever |
| 11:47.48 | trek00 | ;) |
| 11:47.58 | Haohmaru | i keep the ugly sh*t on a crapdows machine, the nicer things on a debian machine |
| 11:48.13 | jelly | !list |
| 11:48.13 | dpkg | jelly: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 11:48.29 | Haohmaru | and looking forward to throw the crapdows away |
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| 11:48.44 | trek00 | Haohmaru: i'm supporting your setup :) |
| 11:48.57 | joepublic | what is a "crap dow"? |
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| 11:49.06 | dvs | jelly, aww. Why show him how to do it? :-( |
| 11:49.13 | trek00 | Haohmaru: the worst scenario is dualboot, where windows can get full control of your disks |
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| 11:49.25 | ratrace | ma perche e scritto in italiano? |
| 11:49.49 | Haohmaru | como? |
| 11:49.58 | trek00 | joepublic: crapdows or ms-windows :) |
| 11:50.07 | Haohmaru | je nes sprachen ze espanol |
| 11:50.10 | joepublic | oh. very mature. |
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| 11:50.24 | ratrace | it is, R-rated |
| 11:50.30 | ratrace | no kids should be using that. |
| 11:50.35 | trek00 | joepublic: yes, a very long history of bad implementations :) |
| 11:50.38 | joepublic | je sprachen ze español. |
| 11:51.01 | trek00 | !list |
| 11:51.01 | dpkg | trek00: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ! |
| 11:51.20 | Haohmaru | for now there are only a few things left which i do on windows that are.. difficult to do on linux |
| 11:51.51 | ratrace | Haohmaru: like, using a normal desktop? d^.^b *runs* |
| 11:52.06 | Haohmaru | ratrace music |
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| 11:52.22 | trek00 | :D |
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| 11:55.00 | Haohmaru | technically i could run those things to some extent with wine, but i don't count this as an option |
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| 11:55.56 | trek00 | Haohmaru: i use wine for games |
| 11:56.22 | Haohmaru | luckily i've stopped playing games pretty much many years ago |
| 11:56.31 | trek00 | :( |
| 11:58.20 | u53r_4n0n_10 | hi again |
| 11:58.27 | u53r_4n0n_10 | what i've lost? |
| 11:58.28 | Haohmaru | there's OpenArena on debian (quake3-like) so that's okay enough for me |
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| 11:58.51 | trek00 | Haohmaru: good, now i'm more happy :) |
| 11:58.54 | u53r_4n0n_10 | u know there's a terminal radio? |
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| 11:59.54 | Haohmaru | oh, and an excelent PS1 emulator, i have three games from my PS1 which i kept |
| 12:00.22 | Haohmaru | it's called mednaffen or some such |
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| 12:00.44 | ratrace | Haohmaru: "luckily i've stopped playing games" ? luckily? that's very sad really... |
| 12:00.56 | Haohmaru | why sad? |
| 12:01.05 | trek00 | videogames are art |
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| 12:01.18 | ratrace | people <cynical air quotes>grow up</cynical air qoutes> and think they mustn't play any more..... brainwashed lot. |
| 12:01.21 | Haohmaru | many of them are autogenerated |
| 12:01.32 | afidegnum | please, i'm having an issue, Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service is masked. |
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| 12:02.45 | Haohmaru | ratrace i have very limited spare time.. i have tons of ideas.. playing games is fun (if the games are good) but just.. lost time |
| 12:02.54 | ratrace | make time for gaems! |
| 12:03.00 | trek00 | afidegnum: may be this can help https://askubuntu.com/questions/804946/systemctl-how-to-unmask |
| 12:03.03 | Haohmaru | uh-uh |
| 12:03.20 | ratrace | I play even at work. |
| 12:03.25 | trek00 | eheheh |
| 12:03.28 | Haohmaru | aww, ur fired |
| 12:03.38 | ratrace | nobody has that authority :) |
| 12:03.51 | Haohmaru | ur teh bo$$? |
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| 12:04.33 | ratrace | no, a partner |
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| 12:04.56 | ratrace | and the only one who understands the details of how our very complex infra is set up :) |
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| 12:05.26 | trek00 | afidegnum: tell me if unmask is not working, may be we find another solution |
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| 12:12.51 | afidegnum | unmask is not working, but i'm following the rest of the configuraitons |
| 12:12.59 | afidegnum | and faced another challenge |
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| 12:13.38 | afidegnum | trek00: there is a dedicated package https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/slapd/slapd.conf.5.en.html which i do not find, instead i got ldap with ldap.conf |
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| 12:14.11 | afidegnum | should i instead add this line in ldap.conf ? include /etc/ldap/schema/samba.schema |
| 12:14.21 | topogigio | #debian |
| 12:14.38 | topogigio | list |
| 12:14.56 | ratrace | topogigio: Command list successful. Warez found: 0 |
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| 12:16.51 | topogigio | come si fa per entrare |
| 12:17.05 | ratrace | topogigio: per entrare dove? |
| 12:17.20 | Haohmaru | 1. MSPaint_full_version_cracked.rar, 2. calc_exe_+keygen.zip, 3. justinbimberlake-sorry[HQ].wma |
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| 12:17.47 | topogigio | nella lista |
| 12:18.49 | inch | #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:19.09 | ratrace | topogigio: quale lista? |
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| 13:05.05 | trek00 | afidegnum: sorry i can't help much on these issues, may be someone know better |
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| 13:09.09 | zodd | afidegnum, samba is way way way ahead with ldap support and in itself compared to what is in stretch |
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| 13:09.38 | zodd | I would not bother to get ldap+samba working with stretch (although it can be done) |
| 13:09.43 | zodd | it took me days |
| 13:10.08 | zodd | should be much easier now and more compatible with win10 etc. |
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| 13:10.49 | zodd | go for buster and even that is probably very outdated |
| 13:11.22 | ratrace | last year's software. how outdate can it be! |
| 13:11.24 | ratrace | !sns |
| 13:11.24 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 13:12.04 | zodd | ratrace, I fully agree. But Debbian is always very behind. Which is usually fine be me |
| 13:12.37 | zodd | yet in some cases it is troublesome. Samba3+ldap versus samba4+ldap makes a huge difference |
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| 13:13.50 | ratrace | surely samba4+ldap is not THAT new.... |
| 13:14.13 | ratrace | we're talking 8 years ov smb4 history here.... |
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| 13:19.53 | zodd | could be me. I configured it 10 years ago and I am still traumatized |
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| 13:31.35 | afidegnum | hello, i m having an issue over my phpLDAPadmin with this error This base cannot be created with PLA. |
| 13:32.00 | afidegnum | here is my config file, https://termbin.com/jo4t |
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| 13:39.09 | usney | how do I tell apt to not tell me of a group of certain packages I don't need anymore after a package remove? I am still using them because I have that same program installed in a python virtual environment. |
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| 13:41.09 | annadane | usney, apt-mark manual <package> |
| 13:41.09 | ratrace | usney: you can convert between "auto" and "manual" packages with apt-mark |
| 13:42.14 | annadane | note that "the following packages can be removed" is not mandatory though in future possibly will get removed due to a dist-upgrade, which is sometimes used in point releases and obviously stable-to-next-stable transitions |
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| 13:54.38 | usney | thank you annadane ratrace |
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| 14:15.33 | gfp76 | pass gfp76 cgjhngkbzqrk Tin2Box2 |
| 14:15.56 | gfp76 | pass gfp76 setpass cgjhngkbzqrk Tin2Box2 |
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| 14:16.55 | joepublic | :: command: `pass` not found :: command `setpass` not found :: try just chatting if problem persists |
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| 14:18.49 | petn-randall | takes notes. |
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| 14:19.29 | ratrace | hacks gfp76 |
| 14:20.08 | joepublic | pass joepublic uw@@m9[E TSt-4$JW]Q setpass kbQ#]n5a=-Qg maaqph_QEnA3K$EK |
| 14:21.15 | trek00 | gfp76: you wrote your password here on public |
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| 15:48.37 | karlpinc | afidegnum: Often such ldap problems are caused by one of 2 things: The superior entry does not exist. You have incompatiblities in the structural object class hierarchy of the objectclasses in the entry. |
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| 16:06.33 | Surfer2011 | hello, is anyone of you using Jitsi Meet? or has experience setting up a jitsi-server? |
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| 16:06.39 | farkgis- | salut |
| 16:07.08 | farkgis- | je cherche de l'aide en français s'il vous plais |
| 16:07.11 | jelly | !fr |
| 16:07.11 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:08.36 | afidegnum | karlpinc: well, i m stacked with the following errors, i can't restart samba nd getting the localsid also proven unsuccessful, i have been trying for the past 4 hours to debug this but no luck. can you please give a hand? https://dpaste.org/t5Zn |
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| 16:09.33 | usney | How can I set requirements for a package that didn't include them that need them? It needs to be required otherwise it won't work due to my distro's sandbox feature. |
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| 16:28.20 | afidegnum | any insight ? |
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| 16:36.15 | Scorpion2185 | hi |
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| 16:40.49 | Scorpion2185 | where are saved the tor files? |
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| 16:41.21 | Scorpion2185 | I installed it with apt install tor-browser-launcher |
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| 16:42.28 | trek00 | Scorpion2185: you can see the list of the installed files with dpkg -L tor-browser-launcher |
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| 16:43.09 | Scorpion2185 | That package install the tor browser |
| 16:43.18 | Scorpion2185 | *installs |
| 16:44.03 | trek00 | Scorpion2185: yes, what do you need exactly? |
| 16:44.25 | Scorpion2185 | I wuold like to see the tor script I used to comment 3 lins |
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| 16:46.16 | Scorpion2185 | I suppose that is the one launched by the tor browser, GUI |
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| 16:46.43 | trek00 | Scorpion2185: with dpkg -L packagename you can see all the files installed by that package |
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| 16:47.13 | trek00 | Scorpion2185: probabily the name of the script is written inside a .desktop file |
| 16:48.27 | Scorpion2185 | I will check in this pc I upgraded from stertch. So it is different. THanks |
| 16:48.39 | Scorpion2185 | The other has debian 10 fresh installation |
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| 17:09.38 | cybercrypto | Hi there, quick one: perhaps you may point me to the correct file. Where I could change ntp CLI parameterss used by ntp.service in buster? |
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| 17:12.08 | ratrace | cybercrypto: /etc/default/ntp maybe? is the service unit sourcing that env file? |
| 17:12.36 | ratrace | the default unit is at /lib/systemd/system/ntp.service |
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| 17:13.24 | cybercrypto | ratrace: correct, /usr/lib has the .service. Let me check etc/default to compare parameters |
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| 17:16.49 | jelly | cybercrypto, you want to change the command line for ntp daemon to something other than default? |
| 17:16.50 | cybercrypto | ratrace: exactly! variable NTPD_OPTS is defined there. I will play with few parameters now... Many thanks, cya! |
| 17:17.13 | cybercrypto | jelly: Yes, done. thanks and cya! |
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| 17:22.24 | karlpinc | afidegnum: You might try #samba if it's samba related. |
| 17:22.49 | jelly | I wonder how that works. |
| 17:22.58 | jelly | ah. # Debian uses a shell wrapper to process /etc/default/ntp |
| 17:23.13 | afidegnum | karlpinc: the channel is dormant, since yesterday, no one answered any question |
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| 17:23.41 | jelly | good grief. Each package has different or no workarounds for /etc/default/foo compat |
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| 17:26.33 | karlpinc | afidegnum: I'm no good with samba, but you could be better at describing your problem. It looks like you're having problems connecting to a samba server. All I know about that is the time has to be synced(ish) on the 2 systems or kerberos fails. |
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| 17:28.34 | afidegnum | i haven't set kerberos to it |
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| 17:29.54 | afidegnum | i'm following this guide https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend |
| 17:29.58 | afidegnum | and blocked on the way |
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| 17:31.44 | karlpinc | afidegnum: Tell people what step of the guide you are on. |
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| 17:32.43 | afidegnum | i've reached at restart ssh and samba almost at the last end of the page |
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| 17:36.23 | afidegnum | add the following line to the file: |
| 17:36.24 | afidegnum | ldap password sync=yes |
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| 17:45.35 | deadrom | hi |
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| 17:47.18 | sney | hi |
| 17:48.09 | deadrom | I'd liek a deb 10 machine to reach the interwebs but one specific browser to not be able to talk to anything but local services. I thought of a proxy I point it at that leads nowhere but that seems overblown and clumsy, plus I'd have to fwd localhost calls to not-proxy. well, which I think can be arranged in exceptions. but anyway, any quicker, elegant solution? |
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| 17:49.29 | grateful | when i install programs with snap they don't appear in my applications menu, i found out they aren't in $PATH so added /snap/bin but what could be causing snap to not populate programs into the panel/menu |
| 17:49.35 | somiaj | deadrom: what is the use case here, why do you want to limit one specific browser? What stops the user from using a diferent browser? |
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| 17:50.33 | somiaj | grateful: snap packages probably aren't putting a copy of the .desktop file (used for menu creation) in an appropriate place. In /snap do you have a single location that contains the .desktop files being installed (if any)? |
| 17:51.15 | grateful | don't have .desktop in the /snap dir |
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| 17:51.38 | greycat | maybe try something like: find /snap -name '*.desktop' |
| 17:52.15 | grateful | hmmm found results |
| 17:52.45 | grateful | should i be looking for a specific one? |
| 17:52.46 | somiaj | Hmm, this site seems to suggest they are coppied to /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications -- do you have a list of .desktop files there? |
| 17:52.56 | somiaj | grateful: no, we are just trying to figure out where the .desktop files are located |
| 17:52.57 | deadrom | somiaj: only that browser installed stops the user. the idea is to avoid the browser to be able to give away data to the outside. if you can't surf to www.wespyoutyourcomputer.com problem solved. |
| 17:53.40 | somiaj | deadrom: I don't know how to limit/route a particular application |
| 17:53.41 | grateful | yeah they are listed there somiaj |
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| 17:54.28 | jelly | deadrom, why do you need to have that browser installed, and can it be installed in a separate VM instead? |
| 17:54.37 | grateful | i'm using xfce4 btw. |
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| 17:57.03 | deadrom | jelly, to access local browser based services. vm... possible but more trouble than the "dead proxy" approach. but for the sake of the idea, then what? |
| 17:57.54 | jelly | deadrom, then you do whatever you want with the traffic coming in and our of that VM. |
| 17:57.58 | somiaj | grateful: easy solution (but you have to do this each time you install stuff) is to copy every .desktop file in that directory to ~/.local/share/applications (assuming you are the only user) |
| 17:58.09 | somiaj | grateful: I am looking up how to configure XDG to know to look in that directory for .desktop files |
| 17:58.23 | grateful | could i set up a symbolic link? |
| 17:58.47 | somiaj | grateful: no, because you will have other things in that dir too |
| 18:00.16 | somiaj | grateful: here, try this: export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS:/var/lib/snapd/destkop/applications" |
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| 18:02.09 | grateful | didn't work |
| 18:02.12 | grateful | the copying did tho |
| 18:02.35 | grateful | ty |
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| 18:02.46 | somiaj | Hmm, might be that what I suggested didn't work because it isn't updating the shell your de is running in |
| 18:03.02 | grateful | don't use snap often but now i know the work around |
| 18:03.04 | somiaj | If you set that XDG_DATA_DIRS= in your .profile when you login, it should work. |
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| 18:03.14 | grateful | k |
| 18:03.37 | somiaj | But the issue is XDG needs to know where to find the .desktop files, and it just isn't setup to look in snap by default. |
| 18:03.50 | greycat | a DE login will not typically read .profile |
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| 18:04.38 | somiaj | Yea, might need to update the session then, I still use startx so forget about such issues. |
| 18:04.52 | diogenes_ | Microsoft: WSL2's Linux kernel will be delivered to Windows 10 users via Windows Update. I guess linux won. |
| 18:05.01 | greycat | for non-startx users, the Debian recommendation is ~/.xsessionrc |
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| 18:05.32 | CoroCoro | hi |
| 18:05.46 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 18:05.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:08.32 | CoroCoro | is there a linux distro that activates opengl 4.4 on amd hd 6520g graphics? |
| 18:09.12 | grateful | thanks for the help |
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| 18:10.34 | CoroCoro | i made a kuestion |
| 18:10.50 | greycat | "is there a distro that..." really belongs in ##linux |
| 18:11.02 | diogenes_ | CoroCoro, try clear linux. |
| 18:11.29 | CoroCoro | ok sorry about the pleonasm |
| 18:11.36 | sney | a gpu from 2011 is unlikely to have cutting edge features enabled anywhere |
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| 18:11.57 | towo` | diogenes_, and what should that intel distro help here for amd graphics? |
| 18:12.04 | sney | and every modern linux distro has the same amd drivers, so all distros have the same support |
| 18:12.38 | sney | even if a spec sheet somewhere says it supports up to opengl 4.4, that doesn't mean the driver can do it, and it's unlikely in hardware that old |
| 18:13.02 | diogenes_ | towo`, i thought it's about intel GPU, my bad. |
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| 18:15.19 | CoroCoro | hey |
| 18:15.31 | CoroCoro | you all have tested windows? |
| 18:15.41 | CoroCoro | i had windows in this laptop |
| 18:15.53 | CoroCoro | and it enabled that opengl |
| 18:15.57 | CoroCoro | 4.4 |
| 18:16.01 | CoroCoro | 100% |
| 18:16.03 | sney | windows drivers and linux drivers are completely different |
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| 18:16.40 | diogenes_ | !enter |
| 18:16.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:16.45 | CoroCoro | i was just trying to install a driver |
| 18:16.54 | CoroCoro | or maybe a distro* |
| 18:17.08 | sney | all linux distros use the linux kernel. the linux kernel contains the drivers. |
| 18:17.09 | CoroCoro | could bring the drivers embeded inlcuded? |
| 18:17.11 | greycat | if you're searching for the right distribution for your needs, go to ##linux |
| 18:17.25 | greycat | the only distro we know here is Debian |
| 18:17.30 | CoroCoro | included* |
| 18:17.37 | CoroCoro | ok |
| 18:17.42 | CoroCoro | i go to linux |
| 18:18.04 | CoroCoro | i cant enter |
| 18:18.13 | sney | /join ##linux |
| 18:18.13 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.19 | annadane | or yeah that, if it allows you |
| 18:18.24 | annadane | note the double hash |
| 18:18.45 | towo` | with mesa >=18.x opengl 4.4 should be available for the hd6000 mobile series |
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| 18:19.05 | CoroCoro | mesa? |
| 18:19.10 | CoroCoro | is that on ubuntu? |
| 18:19.18 | jelly | that is on every linux. |
| 18:19.22 | towo` | no, it's everywhere in linux |
| 18:19.35 | towo` | it's the standard framework |
| 18:19.41 | CoroCoro | i dunno two mush |
| 18:19.43 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 18:19.45 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.3.2-1+deb8u2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 19.3.3-1; experimental: 20.0.0-1; sid: 20.0.2-1 |
| 18:19.58 | jelly | debian 10 has 18.3 |
| 18:20.20 | towo` | and there is 4.4 and some 4.5 features |
| 18:20.25 | CoroCoro | ubuntu is derived from debian? |
| 18:20.39 | jelly | some parts of it, yes |
| 18:21.15 | jelly | they supposedly had more than 30% source packages in default install not coming from debian |
| 18:21.45 | karlpinc | CoroCoro: A big difference between debian and ubuntu is that ubuntu installs non-free software by default. Debian you have to ask for it. (It can help to use non-free firmware when installing.) |
| 18:21.48 | karlpinc | !firmware images |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:22.33 | afidegnum | how do i set tls for samba on debian-strech ? |
| 18:23.03 | CoroCoro | i am in diapers |
| 18:23.21 | jelly | figuratively? |
| 18:23.23 | CoroCoro | I am learning now some linux |
| 18:23.35 | CoroCoro | yes |
| 18:23.41 | CoroCoro | figuratively |
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| 18:55.46 | Leonid | hallo |
| 18:55.50 | Leonid | some one here ? |
| 18:55.56 | annadane | yes Leonid, several |
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| 18:56.23 | vvor | ~1584 |
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| 18:56.48 | Leonid | annadane can you help |
| 18:56.58 | annadane | maybe, or other people; go ahead and ask your question |
| 18:57.13 | Leonid | where to download best for debian to install ? i want install it from usb ? |
| 18:57.27 | vvor | debian.org |
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| 18:57.32 | greycat | !firmware image |
| 18:57.32 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:57.32 | annadane | do you have internet access on the machine you want to install it to? |
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| 18:58.31 | karlpinc | Leonid: You want the plain netinstall image (not the edu one). (You want the unoffical one with non-free firmware included.) |
| 18:58.59 | karlpinc | !install guide |
| 18:58.59 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/installmanual . See also <errata> and <buster release notes>. |
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| 18:59.41 | vvor | karlpinc: Which one do I want??? :) |
| 18:59.48 | vvor | ... |
| 18:59.59 | annadane | firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:01.33 | karlpinc | forgets the "right" tool to use to write the netinstall iso to usb under MS Windows. I do recall there are many wrong ways to do it. |
| 19:01.52 | greycat | if I had to write one from Windows, I would definitely have to read the install guide |
| 19:02.10 | annadane | win32diskimager |
| 19:02.49 | annadane | or rufus in dd mode, AFAIK |
| 19:02.50 | annadane | !rufus |
| 19:02.51 | dpkg | rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 19:02.58 | annadane | but basically, win32diskimager |
| 19:03.01 | sney | yep, and never unetbootin |
| 19:03.02 | annadane | so you get into good habit |
| 19:03.05 | annadane | s |
| 19:03.41 | karlpinc | greycat: I don't even recall whether the install guide contains any recommendations for writing iso images onto usb sticks from MS Windows. |
| 19:03.55 | vvor | Windows 10? |
| 19:04.39 | annadane | sure, windows 10, if you have windows 10 you can use win32diskimager to write it to usb |
| 19:05.05 | Leonid | can some one give link for download debian ? |
| 19:05.09 | Leonid | server ? |
| 19:05.18 | sney | !firmware image |
| 19:05.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:05.22 | sney | there is your link ^ |
| 19:05.28 | greycat | I don't think he's listening to us at all. |
| 19:05.35 | annadane | different people |
| 19:05.46 | karlpinc | Still he should read. |
| 19:05.58 | annadane | unless this person was here earlier and i just can't scroll yp |
| 19:05.58 | annadane | up |
| 19:06.00 | karlpinc | Leonid: As said above, the "firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso" file. |
| 19:06.15 | Leonid | 377M |
| 19:06.17 | annadane | oh. was. i just can't read |
| 19:06.18 | sney | I think a lot of people skim over dpkg's messages |
| 19:06.22 | Leonid | hm dvd is 4 gb ? |
| 19:06.35 | karlpinc | Leonid: But you won't install everything on the dvd. |
| 19:06.37 | annadane | 377M for the net install, 4 gb for the dvd which includes more stuff |
| 19:06.49 | karlpinc | Leonid: The netinstall will download everything you ask for when you install. |
| 19:06.55 | sney | net install is better and more efficient use of bandwidth |
| 19:06.59 | annadane | i'll just shut up and let you guys handle this :P |
| 19:07.03 | karlpinc | Leonid: That way you don't download what you don't need. |
| 19:07.04 | Leonid | i want to install from flash |
| 19:07.17 | vvor | isoburn.exe |
| 19:07.26 | sney | the iso is a hybrid image, so it can be used on a cd/dvd OR usb |
| 19:07.30 | greycat | if only there were dozens of lines of discussion AIMED AT YOU that you could read |
| 19:09.31 | Leonid | firmware will through install take all from internet ? |
| 19:10.02 | karlpinc | Leonid: There is no "server" iso image. You install what you want. For a server you'd install just the server stuff. (Hopefully not install X or a desktop or any sort of gui stuff.) |
| 19:10.13 | karlpinc | Leonid: Yes. |
| 19:10.28 | sney | Leonid: just run the installer and the menu will give you options. it makes a lot more sense if you try it |
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| 19:21.41 | rowbee | is there a way to "downgrade" a sid installation, or am i stuck with it until i bite the bullet and re-install from the netinstall iso? |
| 19:22.08 | greycat | there is no provided or supported way to downgrade a release |
| 19:22.19 | rowbee | i see |
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| 19:24.25 | sney | rowbee: however, you can change a sid installation to bullseye, and it will gradually turn into a normal bullseye system over a week or two |
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| 19:24.41 | greycat | maybe. |
| 19:25.04 | rowbee | yeah i was thinking of doing a unstable -> testing -> stable careful catwalk |
| 19:25.16 | sney | for the most part. there will sometimes be sid stuff that never migrates, but most fundamental packages will, and if there's any gunk it can be removed |
| 19:25.22 | sney | you can't go from testing to stable though. |
| 19:25.31 | rowbee | too many things breaking? |
| 19:25.54 | sney | the sid->testing migration works because all packages migrate from sid to testing as part of the normal process. |
| 19:26.00 | sney | nothing migrates to stable |
| 19:27.15 | rowbee | hm... so if i change my sources.list entries from unstable to bullseye, eventually as the package freeze happens it will just become stable |
| 19:27.42 | sney | yeah, when bullseye is released as stable |
| 19:28.03 | sney | probably in about 18? months |
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| 19:29.24 | rowbee | i'll try that in a bit |
| 19:29.41 | rowbee | i have /home on a separate partition anyway, the most i'll lose is some time spent re-installing debian |
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| 19:30.02 | rowbee | i will however backup my /etc/ |
| 19:30.44 | annadane | !what to backup |
| 19:30.44 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 19:30.56 | annadane | use at your own discretion |
| 19:31.19 | rowbee | ty |
| 19:31.56 | rowbee | so that leaves me with backing up /etc /srv /var |
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| 19:32.48 | annadane | i think my backups are basically /home (or rather select items + dot files), the /etc files i know i've manually changed, and my root + user crontabs |
| 19:33.19 | annadane | plus whatever's in /usr/local and /usr/local/bin |
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| 19:34.23 | rowbee | i _should_ be backing up my home but i have no medium to back it up to atm :( but it's on a separate partition so unless i catastrophically fsck up (which has a probability above 0) i don't think it poses an issue |
| 19:34.37 | greycat | disks do fail |
| 19:34.57 | rowbee | true |
| 19:34.57 | annadane | i need more storage in general, my external hdd is just about full |
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| 19:35.11 | rowbee | i'm on a laptop away from my hometown due to covid |
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| 19:51.42 | vvor | rowbee: second partition on the same HDD is better then nothing... |
| 19:52.29 | rowbee | it's a logical volume |
| 19:52.54 | vvor | Especially if it's not mounted 24/7 |
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| 19:57.22 | vvor | You probably can cloud backup for free the most impotent: txt, doc, xls, mail... (encrypt if applicable) till you get back home. |
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| 20:00.57 | nt80 | based on debian 10 xfce fresh installation, what software may cause those packets constantly broadcasted https://networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/53160/what-does-the-output-of-this-tcpdump-mean ? |
| 20:01.27 | nt80 | connected to wifi without any software running |
| 20:01.29 | rowbee | what is the shim-unsigned package and why does it want to remove shim-signed? should i proceed, or should i keep shim-signed? |
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| 20:02.49 | greycat | ,info shim-unsigned |
| 20:02.51 | judd | Package shim-unsigned (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: boot loader to chain-load signed boot loaders under Secure Boot. Version: 15+1533136590.3beb971-7; Size: 565.8k; Installed: 3719k |
| 20:03.29 | sney | nt80: it is probably some avahi thing |
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| 20:12.08 | trek00 | nt80: it may be your router, configured to allow UPnP |
| 20:13.50 | karlpinc | nt80: mdns also does some broadcasting, iirc. I think it's de-configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but could be wrong. |
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| 20:27.42 | sponix | my xfwm4 is starting to consume more cpu time than it should ever few days (actually making desktop switches and app switches lag). I kill the process for it to restart, and then it goes back to operating normal for a while. |
| 20:28.16 | sponix | should I be looking at like .xsession-errors or something to see if it is having issues that are documented ? |
| 20:28.39 | trek00 | sponix: i remember that xfdesktop had a memory leak in the past, may be you hit another bug |
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| 20:30.43 | trek00 | sponix: may be it's related to this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=248971 |
| 20:30.51 | sponix | trek00: well odd part is, I snag things from backports and stuff -- but the xfwm4 is actually a fully regular "debian stable" version |
| 20:31.02 | trek00 | sponix: try to disable compositing |
| 20:31.33 | sponix | trek00: let me check, think that might already be done. something with that if not correct makes my OBS not function |
| 20:32.14 | karlpinc | Could check the bug tracking system.... |
| 20:32.58 | sponix | trek00: I forgot what spot that setting is. you remember by chance ? |
| 20:33.20 | trek00 | sponix: sorry i don't use xfce |
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| 20:34.22 | sponix | trek00: no problem.. I'll Google that, and read the things provided to me thus far. See if anything comes of it |
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| 20:35.04 | sponix | trek00: if I don't find any fixes jumping out at me -- I'll just make a cron job to kill xfwm4 every 24 hours or so :) |
| 20:35.11 | sponix | easy enough work-a-round |
| 20:35.21 | trek00 | sponix: may be the gtk theme too, try with adwaita |
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| 20:37.24 | trek00 | sponix: what graphic drivers do you have? |
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| 20:40.00 | sponix | trek00: I saw that theme recommendation -- that is simple, so I'm trying ti first -- Went from Azul-Dark or something to Adwaita-Dark |
| 20:40.26 | sponix | trek00: Graphics is Nvidia 440 Binary with standard X (not wayland) |
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| 20:41.38 | trek00 | sponix: well you can try also xfwm4 --vblank=off --replace |
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| 21:51.14 | ikus060 | Does debian provide something similar to launchpad PPA to "auto-build" project and create a repository ? |
| 21:51.46 | greycat | that's the most terrifying thing I've heard in a while |
| 21:51.59 | greycat | no wonder PPAs are such incredible shit |
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| 21:52.25 | Unit193 | greycat: Really depends on who sets one up, really. |
| 21:53.11 | ikus060 | is doesn't answer my question |
| 21:53.23 | greycat | !nmg |
| 21:53.24 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:53.31 | greycat | That's what Debian gives you. Documentation. |
| 21:53.37 | Unit193 | ikus060: If you're talking about automatically rolling from git or something, no. If you mean somewhere you can push your packages and they'll build, also no but you can use the opensuse build service. |
| 21:54.09 | Unit193 | See also: osc-plugins-dput |
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| 21:58.46 | ikus060 | Unit193: allow building for debian !? |
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| 21:59.08 | Unit193 | ikus060: It's odd, but yes. I have a testing repo there. |
| 21:59.19 | Unit193 | Otherwise I just use pbuilder+mini-dinstall for repos. |
| 21:59.27 | mlugg | Hi, I'm trying to configure some bonds on Debian and I'm a bit confused. What's the difference between `slaves`, `bond-slaves`, and `bond-master`? My guess so far is that `slaves` automagically sets `bond-master` for all the given interfaces, but i may be entirely wrong. Also, why do things set `bond-master` to stuff and then on the actual bond set |
| 21:59.28 | mlugg | `bond-slaves none`? |
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| 22:00.47 | ikus060 | Unit193: do youi have an open source project where I can get an examples ? finding good documentation to put all the peace together seams impossible. I wich to have an examples to start with |
| 22:01.23 | ikus060 | Unit193: for both: build.opensuse.org and pbuilder+mini-dinstall |
| 22:02.09 | Unit193 | ikus060: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:unit193:veracrypt is my test repo, and pbuilder is a tool that builds packages in chroots, mini-dinstall is simple software to create Debian style repositories. |
| 22:03.43 | ikus060 | Unit193: I know about pbuilder but I'm looking of a CICD pipeline either in travis or gitlab CICD |
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| 22:12.32 | ZAJDAN | hi..is difference between: iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate INVALID -j DROP and iptables -A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j DROP ...? |
| 22:12.55 | trek00 | it should be the same |
| 22:13.23 | ZAJDAN | trek00..thank you |
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| 22:14.32 | trek00 | ZAJDAN: if i remember correctly conntrack replaced state module |
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| 22:16.07 | ZAJDAN | trek00...yes you have true> https://superuser.com/questions/1071656/whats-the-difference-between-iptables-state-and-ctstate |
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| 22:50.05 | ZAJDAN | what is the option '-e'? ....#!/bin/sh -e |
| 22:50.05 | ZAJDAN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.46 | sney | ZAJDAN: if you 'man sh' and hit page down once, you will see the list of options |
| 22:57.32 | vvor | sney: And... Maybe on a BSD system the -e option would be understandable :( |
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| 23:00.04 | sney | debian's sh is dash, which has the same -e as bsd's |
| 23:00.32 | sney | though bsd's man page includes a recommendation to not use -e, heh |
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| 23:02.35 | ZAJDAN | in man sh is just: options are described as part of the set utility in Section 2.14, Special Built-In Utilities. |
| 23:03.05 | sney | what debian version are you using? |
| 23:03.11 | silverwhitefish | dash is awesome! i once replaced it as the default shell, but package managers didnt like it very much and after a severe system breakage i havnt tried it again :p |
| 23:03.49 | sney | dash is the default /bin/sh since the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release |
| 23:04.06 | sney | but using it in place of bash could be iffy, that's not really what it's intended for |
| 23:04.08 | silverwhitefish | for specific debian related functions |
| 23:04.12 | silverwhitefish | but not in userspace |
| 23:04.33 | sney | hence many scripts specify /bin/bash, to be sure |
| 23:04.34 | silverwhitefish | yeah i learned the hard way |
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| 23:04.35 | silverwhitefish | lol |
| 23:05.17 | silverwhitefish | loading times where significantly quicker |
| 23:05.23 | ZAJDAN | sney: 10 |
| 23:06.18 | ZAJDAN | sorry! the script has been used on Debian and now I use it on SUSE |
| 23:06.43 | sney | and there you have it |
| 23:07.09 | dashs | configuring sendmail: the init script determines that (MTA): sendmaillisten/queue daemon not needed. ... failed! |
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| 23:08.24 | sney | dashs: are you installing something that said it needed sendmail, so you installed sendmail? install postfix or exim4 instead. they both provide 'sendmail' interfaces but they are actually modern and not susceptible to weird problems |
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| 23:24.09 | jim | if I wanted to play with an ldap server, what client would I use? |
| 23:24.35 | jim | at least to start with |
| 23:24.50 | WoC` | how come #debian-ppc & #debian-powerpc is made invite only ? |
| 23:25.09 | teclo- | WoC`: no idea... |
| 23:25.11 | jim | I think they dropped those archs |
| 23:25.34 | teclo- | I used to run Debian PowerPC many years ago |
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| 23:25.52 | teclo- | still have the machines but haven't powered them in many years |
| 23:25.58 | Unit193 | WoC`: Because if they exist, it's on OFTC. |
| 23:26.00 | joepublic | dpkg, tell WoC` about oftc |
| 23:26.30 | Unit193 | #debianppc |
| 23:28.27 | WoC` | ty |
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| 23:39.40 | vvor | jim: Emacs... OR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LDAP_software#Linux/UNIX |
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| 23:42.04 | ZAJDAN | which LVM path I should mount? /dev/mapper/vg_aaa-some ...or.../dev/vg_aaa/some |
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| 23:46.34 | Allain | ZAJDAN i have this in my fstab /dev/mapper/your_vg-your_lv /directory |
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| 23:50.05 | ZAJDAN | ok ok...on some machines I see /dev/vg_name/volume |
| 23:51.11 | sney | it probably works either way |
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| 23:53.56 | ZAJDAN | after reboot LVM is mounted but I see is empty |
| 23:54.05 | ZAJDAN | there should be data |
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| 23:56.51 | Allain | strange. this can help you https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-mount-an-lvm-volume-partition-command/ |
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| 23:58.39 | Allain | try: sudo df -TH | grep mapper |
| 23:59.24 | Allain | it shows you the size |
| 23:59.55 | ZAJDAN | yes I see it there |