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| 00:01.41 | ZAJDAN | but in the mounted directory it is empty |
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| 00:02.54 | Allain | did you use supervisor rights? |
| 00:03.20 | ZAJDAN | yes ofcourse |
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| 00:08.19 | Allain | i created my lv with debian installer. i don't know much. iam busytrying to extent a pv but can't |
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| 00:18.45 | u53r_4n0n_10 | hi |
| 00:18.49 | u53r_4n0n_10 | again |
| 00:18.54 | dvs | oh noes! |
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| 00:19.49 | u53r_4n0n_10 | any rope about lxc? on buster. it could be in amd64 and i386 |
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| 00:20.48 | dvs | ,v lxc |
| 00:20.49 | judd | Package: lxc on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; stretch: 1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; buster: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; bullseye: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.4-2; sid: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.4-2 |
| 00:20.59 | dvs | yup |
| 00:21.20 | u53r_4n0n_10 | yes, &? |
| 00:22.02 | u53r_4n0n_10 | i'm reading debian wiki now |
| 00:22.15 | sney | rope? |
| 00:23.29 | Unit193 | I've used lxc for autopkgtest reasons, if that somehow helps with whatever you're asking. |
| 00:26.07 | sney | the debian wiki instructions work, anyway. I have a container running on my media server for an appliance that required apache, because the media server is hosting several things through nginx, and it was easier than making them cooperate on the same system. |
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| 00:29.40 | Unit193 | I had lxc set up once to test the lounge. |
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| 00:31.00 | u53r_4n0n_10 | install things like tor |
| 00:31.54 | u53r_4n0n_10 | but a few hours ago, someone told me that virtualbox has no support for i386 |
| 00:34.09 | sney | virtualbox is best for testing stuff anyway. if you want something running long term, containers are smarter and lower overhead |
| 00:35.13 | u53r_4n0n_10 | of course. i've been using it since 2013 across w1nd0ws, this, bsd... |
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| 01:16.42 | fuxxy | Well, it's smaller when using ls -s, but it's still ginormous. |
| 01:17.38 | lwp | fuxxy, read "man 8 lastlog" it is a sparse file |
| 01:18.32 | lwp | and that man page says "You should not rotate it." |
| 01:19.09 | fuxxy | lwp, that's what google is telling me as well. It's easily the biggest consumer of /var, even with accounting for the sparse allocation |
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| 01:22.26 | sponix | fuxxy: umm... most are rotated fairly often anyway, and with gz compression they crunch down near nothing -- I think the real question should be WTF is filling up your lastlog that bad for it to be that HUGE anyway ? |
| 01:22.54 | sponix | mine for example is "12K" |
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| 01:23.24 | sponix | I did have a 600+GB .xsession-errors file one time though, so I know these things can happen lol |
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| 01:24.27 | fuxxy | sponix, meh, I have no idea. I just ran /usr/bin/lastlog, and I"m only presented with about 30 lines of output |
| 01:25.26 | sney | if any log file is filling up to an unusual degree it is usually an indication that you have a different problem |
| 01:26.07 | tds | fuxxy: how large actually is the file? |
| 01:26.18 | fuxxy | sney, agreed. I don't have the uptime to justify big logs. Maybe I left debug logging on some things |
| 01:28.12 | fuxxy | tds, 24K |
| 01:28.51 | fuxxy | I read wrong earlier. False Alarm, Boys! |
| 01:29.01 | sponix | LOL |
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| 01:29.05 | fuxxy | other logs are a bit excessive though. |
| 01:29.42 | sponix | fuxxy: use "du -h -s /var/log/lastlog" it will give you "human readable" format |
| 01:29.42 | tds | 24k seems small enough to me |
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| 01:30.04 | sponix | tds: yeah, he was saying like 200GB prior |
| 01:30.13 | sponix | just a _bit_ of a difference |
| 01:30.26 | tds | I assumed that was the sparse size :) |
| 01:30.52 | sponix | tds: what do you mean "sparse size" ? Is that different than a regular size ? |
| 01:31.20 | tds | yes, read what was discussed a little earlier, lastlog is a sparse file |
| 01:32.09 | sponix | scroll up ? |
| 01:32.16 | sponix | seems hard |
| 01:33.04 | annadane | !beer #debian |
| 01:33.04 | dpkg | pours a litre of Bornem Tripple for #debian |
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| 01:37.07 | sponix | tds: yeah... that manpage doesn't tell me shit as to what a "sparse file" actually is -- it does say also that its a db, not a regular flat file though, and that ls -l reporting on it is known to be reported incorrectly |
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| 01:38.10 | sponix | I find it wild that they need a db file in /var/log to record login stats... aren't there already a handful of regular flat text files that do the same ? |
| 01:38.27 | tds | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file |
| 01:40.54 | fuxxy | I wonder what killed logrotate? It appears that logrotate crashed, and stopped managing the logfiles. After clearing a bit of space and starting logrotate, I'm down to 471M used in /var/log |
| 01:41.32 | fuxxy | last time logrotate ran was 06 Mar 2020 |
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| 01:42.12 | sponix | tds: Thanks a lot for that link... The way VirtualMachines use them makes more since to me than just for log files -- but interesting all the same |
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| 01:43.39 | sponix | fuxxy: that does seem large for /var/log -- mine is 61MB |
| 01:43.59 | sponix | fuxxy: now running logrotate, did it catch back up on compressing the bulk of them with gzip ? |
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| 01:44.46 | fuxxy | it did, and it dumped anything older than .log.4.gz |
| 01:50.09 | fuxxy | daemon.log says /var went completely full on 6 Mar 2020 08:19:25 |
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| 01:51.53 | subcool | When setting up a linkbonding. can you also limit the amount of data that goes on one of the links? |
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| 01:59.28 | mx9w | there is something I couldn't understand: when I write a live debian xfce ISO to a USB drive and run it for a first time it asks me to define a password for a gnome keyring upon a connection to WIFI. I reboot the system which suppose any stored passwords will be lost, connect to wifi (network manager asks for a password), but debian keyring doesn't ask to define a password anymore |
| 02:00.02 | mx9w | i define an empty password for a gnome keyring. how it could remember I've defined an (empty) password if the system is readonly ? |
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| 02:01.21 | sponix | mx9w: you are putting too much thought into it. Just use your system :) |
| 02:02.24 | mx9w | sponix, a system with no HDD running from a squashfs remembers a gnome keyring password. This is just not something usual for me |
| 02:04.39 | sponix | mx9w: are you going to lose sleep over this ? |
| 02:04.56 | mx9w | yea |
| 02:05.25 | mx9w | will need some sleep pills otherwise will not be able to have a sleep, this is very critical |
| 02:07.17 | sponix | mx9w: well, it is most likely 1 of 2 things... It wrote some of your current session data to the drive as users preferences toward the end of the installation process to make 1st boot a little easier (MX Linux and others are doing this now). OR, the keyring defaulted to your user password as its password (it always does when you don't auto-login), and move on not needing to prompt you -- OR some combination of BOTH :) |
| 02:08.17 | mx9w | yes it could be both, but in case of second - where did it store the configuration data? |
| 02:09.19 | mx9w | > (MX Linux and others are doing this now). > does debian do this too? |
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| 02:13.24 | mx9w | also in case of the first - how is it able to modify an iso9660 fs? it's supposed to be readonly |
| 02:14.42 | sponix | mx9w: that was, it asked you when you booted, the live installer, but not after you conducted the install and booted the system itself -- correct ? |
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| 02:16.06 | mx9w | correct, i have never performed an install. The laptop has no HDD. The whole story is happening around a hybrid debian live xfce iso burned to a usb drive. |
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| 02:19.18 | subcool | mx9w, honestly - i only read half of this. but- MUCH older, up until now. Live USB's - were writeable. Then then started making persistant storages to make them bootable and then also retain data. but HONESTLY - THIS Version of Kubunti 18.-4 is the FIRST version ive run into that it actually started clean every reboot. Im sure some exist, but- thats my experience. |
| 02:19.32 | sponix | mx9w: you said it yourself it is a hybrid -- it most likely does allocate some space for preferences. I doubt the whole thing is totally read only |
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| 02:20.59 | mx9w | sponix, i have another live custom debian which i boot with 'toram' kernel parameter and this issue is reproducible there as well |
| 02:21.57 | sponix | mx9w: if you are that concerned. Might want to look into Tails to a DVD :) |
| 02:22.13 | mx9w | i've just noticed this somehow, because I remember when you use some debian installation for a first time on some computer, gnome keyring always ask you to provide a password for a first time |
| 02:22.29 | mx9w | but this happening on live/toram systems, really weird |
| 02:22.41 | sponix | Or get a USB stick with a hardware "read only switch" they make those - the Air Force use to use them to re-classify documents :) |
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| 02:23.25 | mx9w | yes, of course what you say makes all the sense. But I still would like to find out what's happening since it's an 'undocumented feature' |
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| 02:26.07 | mx9w | i mean at least at normal circumstances an OS shouldn't re-write the storage without users consent. hum will perform sha sums before and after on USB storage |
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| 02:27.52 | sponix | mx9w: have a blast... remember - the code is Open Source. So whatever they are doing isn't "hidden" all that bad :) |
| 02:28.14 | sponix | and odds are, it is likely documented also _somewhere_ |
| 02:28.24 | mx9w | i hope so :) |
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| 02:29.30 | mx9w | sometimes there are 'blind spots' even in FOSS |
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| 02:31.36 | nt80 | this is weird |
| 02:33.26 | emss | does this work? debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:33.48 | sney | work? |
| 02:34.10 | mx9w | yes it does |
| 02:34.18 | emss | yes, it's a netinst image so you should be able to install with it :) |
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| 02:34.57 | mx9w | oh, it was addressed to my question? wow :) |
| 02:37.55 | dvs | unless you want wireless right off the bat. |
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| 02:42.19 | emss | ok, haved wrote it multiple times to a cdrw, downloaded it multiple times, tried the daily-build netinst and i have also md5/sha checked "OK", but keep running into an error during install when copying files from the disc. integrity check that you can run from the install menu/during install fails too. i am trying to install using expert mode. |
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| 03:44.36 | emss | guess it's the disc :( |
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| 03:51.06 | lwp | emss, how did you write the image to the disk or USB ? |
| 03:51.25 | emss | cdrw, using cdrecord |
| 03:51.38 | emss | wodim... |
| 03:52.47 | lwp | so, you are writing it on a linux system ? |
| 03:53.05 | emss | successfully writes, boots, but fails while loading install files from the disc around libbsd0 and the install menu integrity check fails |
| 03:53.31 | emss | yes |
| 03:54.20 | emss | guess an old stretch/sid live cd |
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| 03:58.11 | annadane | why can i not, with xfconf-query, set the wallpaper with xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/workspace1/last-image -s /path/to/image? |
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| 04:00.46 | annadane | oh. never mind |
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| 04:04.28 | Unit193 | annadane: Got it? |
| 04:04.30 | annadane | (it does work, i just stupidly deleted it from the settings editor and it doesn't recognize workspace 2 so i have to create it again by setting the wallpaper again on that workspace) |
| 04:06.09 | annadane | also possibly i need to manually uncheck apply to all workspaces in the wallpaper gui setter thing (sorry, i'm tired and need to go to sleep) but i doubt that |
| 04:06.17 | annadane | not hard to figure out though |
| 04:06.57 | lwp | !check iso image |
| 04:06.58 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
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| 04:07.27 | annadane | this is a great illustration of "if you don't know what you're doing just keep doing in any order the last, like, 5 things you were doing and you'll find it eventually" |
| 04:08.04 | lwp | emss, see above from dpkg, also see the burning instruction in that faq -- they suggest using the -sao flag |
| 04:08.58 | annadane | i wish the settings editor were a bit better but maybe that's been fixed in 4.14 which i have to wait 18 months to get :P |
| 04:09.21 | emss | ok |
| 04:09.52 | lwp | emss, I usually use brasero to burn data disks, it takes care of the checksums, etc, automatically |
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| 04:10.20 | annadane | let me just double check now so i can be scientific and report my findings |
| 04:11.44 | annadane | hmm nope |
| 04:11.53 | annadane | you have to uncheck "show same wallpaper on all workspaces" |
| 04:11.57 | emss | lwp i was thinking cdrecord/wodim wrote using dao by default :\ |
| 04:12.04 | annadane | i thought you could possibly override it |
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| 04:19.07 | lwp | emss, I haven't used those myself, but the referenced CD faq says the -sao option makes the image size match better, for when you check the checksums. |
| 04:19.32 | lwp | emss, and the automating of the checksums business is part of why I like brasero. |
| 04:20.53 | lwp | emss, if your image is really an old stretch/sid (?) image, maybe a fresher image would help, look here: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 04:21.29 | emss | trying another disc first |
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| 04:26.59 | graphicsv | I have a ThinkPad L380 Yoga and the ClickPad never worked properly on Debian (only on Arch Linux). Not sure why. It works horribly with libinput. My best bet is synaptics so far. Current synaptics configuration is: https://termbin.com/hky6z . Main problem is, whenever I have two fingers on virtual buttons and there is a small pressure / movement, I get scrolling and it's REALLY annoying. Please someone help me. I've |
| 04:26.59 | graphicsv | tried everything |
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| 06:26.42 | emss | lwp: thanks. still have same issue using other disc. will check it out in more detail later. |
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| 06:33.52 | zapatista | Here is what logs say: 44.505033] audit: type=1400 audit(1585222161.757:33): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" info="no new privs" error=-1 profile="system_tor" name="/usr/local/bin/meek-client" pid=1023 comm="tor" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=118 ouid=118 target="unconfined |
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| 07:43.48 | usney | like a calculator? |
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| 09:49.50 | afidegnum | or revert |
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| 10:08.28 | luxeve | Im running debian buster, installed firewalld and started its service unit and allowed some of the ports I wanted others to be able to access, but other computers can still access one of the service ports (8080) without the firewall rule allowing that. what's wrong? |
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| 10:10.13 | luxeve | firewall-cmd --list-all does not have 8080 in the ports allowed |
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| 10:41.05 | watom | luxeve do you have the default policy to drop or reject? |
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| 10:41.26 | watom | also, is it active? |
| 10:42.02 | watom | not really a debian question. is just firewalld |
| 10:42.31 | luxeve | ill check on that policy |
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| 10:43.54 | watom | there is no way to help if you don't show some output of firewalld |
| 10:45.23 | john_rambo | Hi, I have downloaded the Tor browser and extracted it to the /home/username/Downloads .....I want to launch Tor browser with Firejail ...How do I do that ? |
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| 10:47.34 | luxeve | firewall's failing, i don't have ebtable-restore |
| 10:48.26 | ratrace | john_rambo: you consult firejail documentation on how to use it |
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| 10:49.47 | watom | luxeve seems like the debian package is missing a depenence |
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| 10:52.11 | watom | also uses iptables instead of ntables... to workaround some docker incompatibility lol |
| 10:52.18 | watom | nft* |
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| 10:53.32 | luxeve | i am running docker |
| 10:54.01 | watom | but docker itself uses the iptables translator to nftables by default |
| 10:54.09 | watom | so i'm not sure about the outcome |
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| 10:58.05 | ratrace | luxeve: and you expect to run firewalld inside of the container? |
| 10:58.29 | luxeve | this is my systemctl status for firewalld: https://bpaste.net/raw/KJQ3GXWEPYW3FPSLSPJKOIHFPE |
| 10:59.58 | luxeve | it's my understanding that the host firewall's rules would apply to the container |
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| 11:03.03 | watom | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=914694 |
| 11:03.13 | watom | seems really related to the fact that upstream uses nftables but debian iptables |
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| 11:03.38 | watom | you can try to change FirewallBackend to nftables in /etc/firewalld/firewalld.conf |
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| 11:03.45 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/914694 in iptables (closed, upstream, patch): «firewall-cmd --reload fails: RULE_REPLACE failed (No such file or directory): rule in chain {INPUT,OUTPUT}»; severity: important; opened: 2018-11-26; last modified: 2019-08-29. |
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| 11:04.24 | watom | you should do that anyway since docker is using nftables |
| 11:04.31 | watom | and you should not run iptables and nftables at the same time |
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| 11:05.05 | ratrace | also note that docker manages iptables on its own, so the best thing to do for containers would be to use docker's context for that. https://docs.docker.com/network/iptables/ |
| 11:05.12 | watom | (docker is using nftables through iptables translator not native) |
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| 11:05.49 | ratrace | and if you expect to be able to manage iptables from inside, you'll need separate network namespace and some additional capabilities, like NET_ADMIN |
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| 11:10.56 | luxeve | alright, changing the backend to nftables and installing nftable resolved my issue with firewalld not reloading properly without restarting |
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| 11:11.19 | watom | uhm nftables was not already there? isn't default in buster now? |
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| 11:11.28 | luxeve | thank you for telling me about docker and nftable, ill keep that in mind from now. ill research more about this |
| 11:11.37 | luxeve | i guess not, i had to install it |
| 11:11.43 | watom | https://wiki.debian.org/nftables NOTE: Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default. |
| 11:11.52 | velix | Grrr... This annoying resolvconf... Where the heck do I set a new nameserver? Somewere out there in the cold? I'm feeling like Picard on his last mission when trying to set it up |
| 11:11.56 | watom | i think you were missing only the command line tool |
| 11:12.08 | luxeve | i thought i read that somewhere, but strange, i still had to apt install it, but all good now |
| 11:12.35 | watom | yep nftables package is just the userspace tool |
| 11:12.52 | velix | usr/sbin/resolvconf <-- doesn't seem to be controlled by systemd |
| 11:13.04 | velix | Debian's half-and-half implementation is baaad :( |
| 11:14.15 | luxeve | oh beautiful, firewall's working. port 8080 is blocked |
| 11:14.32 | luxeve | thank you so much watom |
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| 11:15.13 | luxeve | ratrace, thank you for the docker iptable information, ill be researching info on this. |
| 11:16.08 | watom | velix you can switch to systemd network if you prefer |
| 11:16.25 | watom | or just use /etc/network/interfaces do change dns things |
| 11:18.44 | luxeve | ohhh, so because i can't use iptables anymore, ill have to make changes to the wireguard service. |
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| 11:32.07 | watom | luxeve if the rules are nft compatible iptables will just translate them |
| 11:32.30 | watom | i mean not iptables itself but a translator that is probably your iptables command |
| 11:33.12 | luxeve | oh, so iptables is not iptables, but the nft is taking over that command and translating that. that's cool |
| 11:33.24 | watom | yup that's part of the debian swtiching to nftables |
| 11:33.28 | luxeve | i was converting the commands wireguard was using to nft lol |
| 11:33.37 | watom | well that's good anyway |
| 11:33.40 | watom | iptables will not stay there forever |
| 11:34.11 | luxeve | yeah ill figure out how to do it nft way, seems like the direction it's going anyway, might as well learn it |
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| 11:35.55 | watom | you have time. nftables is not yet features complete |
| 11:37.01 | velix | watom: but why is resolvconf installed? |
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| 11:39.51 | velix | Seems like it's brken: resolvconf --enable-updates; resolvconf -u <-- no change |
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| 11:41.35 | velix | ah, got it working. Hell, that's soo bad. |
| 11:41.51 | velix | Debian Wiki is outdated (jessie, I think) |
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| 11:44.50 | luxeve | ayy, convert success :) but successful for adding rules, when i ran the converter for removing rules, it said it wasnt supported yet |
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| 11:45.34 | velix | Can't we add such an annoying Wikipedia banner on each outdated debian wiki? |
| 11:45.44 | velix | Some texts are really harmful. |
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| 11:47.17 | luxeve | oh, it didn't block 8080 |
| 11:48.10 | luxeve | so i should figure out nftable within the container now |
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| 12:05.24 | watom | luxeve docker doesn't support nft yet. you will just translate things |
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| 12:07.54 | luxeve | yup, I wondered why the docker doc were mentioning iptables, I just have to remember that iptables is a translater now lol |
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| 12:12.03 | luxeve | another thing i noticed about debian (i just started using it, came from centos) is that, i can't run certain commands as the user i'm signed in as, like poweroff or reboot, i have to sudo su and then i can, why is that? |
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| 12:14.13 | ikus060 | luxeve: reboot and poweroff required root permissions. For this reason the binaries are under /usr/sbin/ instead of /usr/bin |
| 12:14.36 | ikus060 | by default only root has /usr/sbin/ in PATH |
| 12:14.42 | abrotman | you can likely "sudo /full/path/reboot" |
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| 12:15.28 | luxeve | ah i see |
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| 12:26.58 | D630 | I don't get it. Why are there also testing-{updates,backports,proposed-updates} instead of only testing (like unstable) and stable-{updates,backports,proposed-updates}? |
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| 12:47.59 | watom | luxeve docker doesn't know it's a translator. is just some debian transparent thing |
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| 12:50.50 | watom | D630 i don't know. you don't want to create something special only for testing? and you want to easy move testing to stable? |
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| 12:54.24 | watom | and let's say you are developing the tools that are used to such things in testing, maybe having different repository will help to test |
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| 12:58.45 | Akuw_ | hi, i am looking for a free inventory software, actually i need to track cameras, antenas, and other hardware we usually take to some places |
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| 13:07.31 | nyuszika7h | I'm having an issue with systemd immediately unmounting my sshfs mount - it only happens with this specific mount point (/mnt/backup), there used to be an fstab entry for it but I've removed it and ran `systemctl daemon-reexec`, but it still does this. mounting to a different directory such as /mnt/test works fine. https://privatebin.at/?0ccdaf2d336169e8#85HFBiBnpowY9Z8spBe9xrvYFnhnc398G3aHDW439xTx |
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| 13:11.31 | watom | nyuszika7h why you restart the whole systemd? D: |
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| 13:11.52 | nyuszika7h | I tried daemon-reload at first, and then daemon-reexec just in case |
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| 13:13.04 | watom | also i don't understand why mnt-backup is spam mounted |
| 13:13.16 | nyuszika7h | the PIDs seem to be systemd user instances |
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| 13:13.20 | watom | are you showing journalctl -u mnt-backup.mount ? |
| 13:13.46 | nyuszika7h | this is just normal journalctl without -u |
| 13:13.55 | nyuszika7h | nothing else relevant seems to be there |
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| 13:14.34 | watom | did you try to systemctl disable mnt-mount.mount |
| 13:15.03 | nyuszika7h | Failed to disable unit: Unit file mnt-backup.mount does not exist. |
| 13:15.34 | watom | systemctl status mnt-backup.mount |
| 13:15.38 | watom | where is it coming from |
| 13:15.49 | nyuszika7h | that also says: Unit mnt-backup.mount could not be found. |
| 13:16.03 | nyuszika7h | it *was* coming from fstab before, but the fstab entry (and the generated .mount service) has been removed |
| 13:16.09 | nyuszika7h | s/service/unit/ |
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| 13:20.16 | shevchuk | Hello. I'm trying to better understand apt. I've created a dummy packa package A which depends on other (real) package B version less than 1.5. My repos have 3 versions for B (none installed yet): 1.5~blabla1, 1.4~blabla1 and 1.3~blabla1 (apt policy B shows candidate being 1.5 of course). |
| 13:20.23 | shevchuk | When I try to install A (which needs B less than 1.5, i.e. less than my default candidate) it fails to install syaing "A: Depends: B (< 1.5) but it is not going to be installed" without trying to install other available versions. Is that normal? Can A do something about it? |
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| 13:24.10 | joepublic | do apt and aptitude provide same result? |
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| 13:30.39 | shevchuk | I could test, but can aptitude install deb package from a file (since package A is a dummy one)? |
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| 13:40.23 | nyuszika7h | I think I'm just gonna reboot |
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| 13:54.07 | nyuszika7h | update: after reboot, systemd STILL keeps unmounting /mnt/backup |
| 13:54.49 | rozha | hallo some one here |
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| 13:58.25 | joepublic | i don' |
| 13:58.32 | joepublic | t know whether aptitude will install files. |
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| 14:06.09 | dion2 | Hi. I have a debian 8 install. What would happen if I updated the sources.list to debian 10 sources? |
| 14:07.46 | jaakkos | dion2: not answering your question but consider upgrading to debian 9 first. This upgrade path is at least supported... |
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| 14:08.26 | dion2 | ok |
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| 14:13.35 | joepublic | the answer is "you would break your system" |
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| 14:13.58 | joepublic | but 8 -> 9 -> 10 works fine. Be sure to read release notes for 9 and 10. |
| 14:14.07 | dion2 | jaakkos: will this still work with old sources.list? |
| 14:14.11 | dion2 | # apt-get update |
| 14:14.13 | dion2 | # apt-get upgrade |
| 14:14.15 | dion2 | # apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:16.02 | joepublic | basically, read and follow the stretch release notes, then upgrade to stretch with those three commands. Then same for buster. |
| 14:16.18 | dion2 | ok |
| 14:16.29 | dion2 | thank you for your cooperation |
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| 14:23.06 | BJuice | Hi all. i have x230. is there driver for its wi-fi card ? Debian os |
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| 17:23.51 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i can't play anything on debian buster i386 |
| 17:24.09 | trek00 | no sound? |
| 17:26.23 | wMw | solitaire? |
| 17:26.45 | u53r_4n0n_101 | always i tried to play something it appears to play it |
| 17:27.03 | u53r_4n0n_101 | but i did not hear anythng |
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| 17:27.41 | u53r_4n0n_101 | and after a second it shows me a message saying: "playlist ended" |
| 17:28.02 | u53r_4n0n_101 | in all of the music players |
| 17:28.34 | trek00 | u53r_4n0n_101: please tell us your audiocard: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 17:38.10 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry for the delay |
| 17:38.30 | u53r_4n0n_101 | how i install lscpi? |
| 17:39.21 | sney | you have lspci already. |
| 17:39.22 | sney | !sbin |
| 17:39.22 | dpkg | Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root. |
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| 17:42.35 | lwp | does an i386 even have PCI ? |
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| 17:43.35 | u53r_4n0n_101 | oh |
| 17:43.37 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry |
| 17:43.49 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i may be an idiot |
| 17:43.57 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i wrote it wrong |
| 17:44.45 | u53r_4n0n_101 | #flood user@debian:~$ lspci | grep -i audio |
| 17:44.46 | u53r_4n0n_101 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 17:44.56 | u53r_4n0n_101 | #flood |
| 17:45.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | it is about the drivers? |
| 17:45.39 | sney | unlikely, intel hda is supported out of the box |
| 17:46.44 | sney | do you see it listed if you 'aplay -l' ? |
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| 17:48.54 | u53r_4n0n_101 | user@debian:~$ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC269VB Analog [ALC269VB Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 17:48.59 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry |
| 17:50.03 | sney | if you want to paste multiple lines, put them in https://paste.debian.net/ and link here. if you remove the newlines it makes it harder to read. |
| 17:50.18 | u53r_4n0n_101 | right |
| 17:52.29 | u53r_4n0n_101 | here is: https://paste.debian.net/1137114/ |
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| 17:53.40 | sney | alright, that looks normal. have you made sure the volume isn't muted? |
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| 17:55.24 | u53r_4n0n_101 | yep |
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| 17:55.34 | lupulo | https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/dailyfreeman.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/8a/38a43171-5acd-5ba0-91ce-d4396315a588/5ba2a9de343f5.image.jpg |
| 17:55.36 | u53r_4n0n_101 | even i get into sound config |
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| 17:55.44 | list | !list |
| 17:55.44 | dpkg | list: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 17:56.22 | u53r_4n0n_101 | and test both |
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| 17:56.54 | u53r_4n0n_101 | and hear something like: "test left" - "test right" |
| 17:57.16 | sney | you got sound when you tested the speakers? |
| 17:57.21 | u53r_4n0n_101 | yes |
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| 17:58.01 | sney | that's the kind of detail it helps to give at the beginning. |
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| 17:58.54 | u53r_4n0n_101 | no |
| 17:59.01 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry |
| 17:59.04 | u53r_4n0n_101 | in both |
| 17:59.07 | u53r_4n0n_101 | case |
| 17:59.12 | u53r_4n0n_101 | cases |
| 17:59.18 | ikus060 | I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build a pacakges for multiple distribution. Anything particular to generate a .deb filename with the distribution specific name ? or I simply rename the file ? |
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| 18:00.24 | sney | ikus060: iirc custom version strings are generated via the changelog entry. but check the nmg or ask in #debian-mentors on oftc to be sure. |
| 18:00.28 | jelly | ikus060, just put whatever you want in your debian/changelog entry (either use dch, or something else) for each build |
| 18:00.35 | sney | ah, there it is |
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| 18:00.56 | u53r_4n0n_101 | well |
| 18:01.11 | jelly | the package version is integral part of generated binary deb file names |
| 18:01.12 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i've read along ago |
| 18:01.16 | jelly | !enter |
| 18:01.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:01.31 | jelly | u53r_4n0n_101, try to write complete sentences in a single line, please |
| 18:02.03 | u53r_4n0n_101 | in a page of debian, that someone has troubles with sound. i tried alike and i remember it works. |
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| 18:02.32 | u53r_4n0n_101 | why the hekc i see an old man with penguins? |
| 18:02.47 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i have viruses? |
| 18:03.05 | sney | this is irc, people do weird stuff sometimes, if it doesn't have anything to do with you then you don't have to comment on it |
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| 18:07.48 | ikus060 | sney: So the idea is to set my version string to include stretch or buster ? |
| 18:08.13 | sney | ikus060: that's where you would add things to the package name, yes |
| 18:08.21 | u53r_4n0n_101 | sorry 4 the wrong words- it's cause i came from bad experiences- 8.1 could say anything. and i've been across w, g/l, b... |
| 18:09.08 | u53r_4n0n_101 | alsa could help? |
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| 18:09.33 | sney | alsa is the name for the linux kernel sound drivers. you are already using alsa. the 'aplay' command you ran earlier is an alsa tool. |
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| 18:10.01 | sney | what program were you using that did not produce sound? |
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| 18:11.40 | sney | ikus060: if you add it at the end of the version number e.g. packagename (1.2.3-1+buster) then it won't mess with apt calculating which packages upgrade each other |
| 18:13.17 | ikus060 | sney: as I recall, + vs . vs - make a difference right ? |
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| 18:13.56 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i'll post in screenshot |
| 18:14.10 | u53r_4n0n_101 | how i upload it? |
| 18:14.14 | ikus060 | sney: my version string look like this: 3.4.4.dev25+g8142bb0 for development. While release look like this 3.4.4. |
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| 18:14.47 | sney | ikus060: yeah and there's ~ as well. I don't remember specifically what all of them do but it should all be documented here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
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| 18:15.35 | backporthelp | Hey all, I am following https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation. When I add the deb-src line for sid to my sources.list and run apt update, then try apt source -t sid coreutils, I get this |
| 18:15.37 | backporthelp | E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 18:15.39 | ikus060 | sney: thanks alot ! I will continnue reading |
| 18:15.39 | backporthelp | what do I do? |
| 18:15.52 | sney | u53r_4n0n_101: any image/file uploader like https://file.io/ or whatever |
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| 18:19.03 | sney | backporthelp: I've just confirmed the issue, strange, it didn't used to do that |
| 18:19.20 | backporthelp | sney It does that for all releases except stable |
| 18:19.32 | sney | in the meantime you can get the sources via the .dsc file with dget. you can find the dsc on packages.debian.org/yourpackage |
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| 18:19.58 | backporthelp | sney thanks. How should I follow up on this issue otherwise? |
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| 18:20.30 | sney | I'm checking for a bug now |
| 18:20.43 | backporthelp | sney I'll be here if you find one :) |
| 18:21.34 | sney | oh hang on, if you just 'apt source' without the -t argument then it automatically gets it from sid anyway |
| 18:21.49 | sney | so this is more of a documentation issue |
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| 18:23.14 | backporthelp | sney will try to replicate one sec |
| 18:24.20 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i forget to say that it is another language |
| 18:24.26 | backporthelp | sney it is getting it from buster for me |
| 18:24.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | it's not english |
| 18:24.30 | u53r_4n0n_101 | well |
| 18:24.43 | backporthelp | brettg@oryxpro:~/coreutils$ apt source coreutilsReading package lists... DoneNeed to get 5,394 kB of source archives.Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main coreutils 8.30-3 (dsc) [1,861 B]Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main coreutils 8.30-3 (tar) [5,360 kB]Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster/main coreutils 8.30-3 (diff) |
| 18:24.43 | backporthelp | [32.8 kB] |
| 18:25.19 | sney | backporthelp: ah, it probably got it from sid for me because that was my only deb-src line. back to this being a bug. I'll follow up and file one if it doesn't exist since this is something I use as well |
| 18:25.37 | backporthelp | sney Thank you :) |
| 18:25.43 | sney | np |
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| 18:26.26 | u53r_4n0n_101 | np? well... |
| 18:26.33 | backporthelp | sney A work around is putting sid first in your sources list. |
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| 18:27.06 | u53r_4n0n_101 | https://file.io/a852kW |
| 18:27.24 | sney | u53r_4n0n_101: not found |
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| 18:27.34 | sney | backporthelp: interesting. ok |
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| 18:32.54 | u53r_4n0n_101 | https://we.tl/t-ubZdvMLP2B |
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| 18:34.17 | u53r_4n0n_101 | could you see it? |
| 18:35.08 | luna_ | yeah |
| 18:35.16 | sney | yes. I don't know what program that is. can you try playing your file in vlc? |
| 18:35.40 | sney | (before you tell me, I know that it means "sound and video" in english but that's still too vague) |
| 18:38.08 | u53r_4n0n_101 | still the same. let me see if i could try with another desktop, or searching. thanks, i'll be informing. |
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| 18:40.43 | u53r_4n0n_101 | i had clementine on the sound config (a window), close it, and then i can hear on youtube. before not. anyway, thanks |
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| 18:49.14 | stainless | is there a debian release with kernel 5.4? |
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| 18:50.15 | backporthelp | stainless testing |
| 18:50.37 | stainless | ok thanks |
| 18:50.55 | sney | ,kernels |
| 18:50.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.4.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 18:50.57 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
| 18:51.12 | sney | 5.4 is available for debian 10 via buster-backports as well. |
| 18:51.21 | sney | testing is not a "release" and can be a bumpy ride |
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| 18:52.47 | stainless | i think buster-backports would be my best option |
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| 20:02.27 | annadane | what happens if you systemctl restart a .target? |
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| 20:29.44 | annadane | what happens if you systemctl restart a .target? |
| 20:31.35 | trek00 | annadane: ping timeout? :) |
| 20:32.39 | annadane | no, i didn't, my question never got answered |
| 20:34.11 | trek00 | annadane: i don't use systemd, but it should stop all services part of that target and then start again |
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| 20:34.46 | f8e4 | on inteli3 2.gen, do i have "opengl", it is in realtion to QT5 plotting where one can set an hardware accelartion flag? |
| 20:35.23 | tomreyn | parse error |
| 20:36.11 | sney | every gpu has opengl, you can get details by installing mesa-utils and running 'glxinfo' |
| 20:36.48 | f8e4 | "enable QCustomPlot's OpenGL hardware accelerated rendering" |
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| 20:36.57 | f8e4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.42 | sney | and if you have an intel gpu, your hardware rendering is supported on debian without needing any extra packages. if you are having a problem with a specific application, it's specific to that application. |
| 20:38.18 | f8e4 | deb10, i have inteli3 2.gen, so should be in there i guess then, ok nothing on my end. |
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| 20:39.55 | f8e4 | what is hardware render? what is this on a cpu only computer? |
| 20:40.00 | f8e4 | cpu == hardware |
| 20:40.34 | sney | many modern intel cpus have an integrated gpu |
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| 21:26.05 | f8e4 | grym? |
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| 21:32.24 | meep_____ | I cannot upload to paste.debian.net |
| 21:32.27 | meep_____ | It says |
| 21:32.49 | meep_____ | Could not add your entry to the paste database: do not spam |
| 21:32.51 | meep_____ | I'm not |
| 21:32.58 | meep_____ | I'm trying to upload a gdb backtrace |
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| 21:40.02 | oerheks | meep, forgot your 'name' ? |
| 21:42.23 | sponix2ipfw | meep_____: use a different pastebin then. Sure one of the hundreds will work |
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| 21:42.48 | meep_____ | But |
| 21:42.55 | meep_____ | Why is the debian one broken |
| 21:43.43 | sponix2ipfw | It obviously gets triggered by that content |
| 21:43.55 | meep_____ | That's never happened before |
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| 21:45.21 | tomreyn | congratulations, you're special! |
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| 21:50.40 | tsarompy | rude |
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| 22:27.42 | luxeve | uhh, who moderates the debian paste website? |
| 22:28.21 | luxeve | cause i just saw a recent post titled... inappropriately, im not gonna click on it to see what the content is, but someone should check that out |
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| 22:44.39 | initfr33d0m | hello |
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| 22:54.33 | annadane | if i do a ls -rt does it also list if new files got added to directories? |
| 22:55.11 | annadane | as in, i ls -rt my home directory, i get files and directories, and i see a file is the most recent thing in that directory, would a directory be the newest thing if a file within it got updated/added? |
| 22:56.03 | karlpinc | annadane: The directory is only updated if its content is changed. Something in the dir is added or deleted. |
| 22:56.22 | karlpinc | annadane: If a file's content in the dir is changed the dir does not change. |
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| 22:56.35 | annadane | good enough for my purposes |
| 22:56.39 | annadane | also good to know in general |
| 22:56.40 | annadane | thanks |
| 22:56.41 | karlpinc | annadane: The dir changes when meta-information on the files it contains changes. If you change the name of a file for instance. |
| 22:57.43 | lupulo | annadane, man touch |
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| 22:58.13 | karlpinc | annadane: (Actually, some meta-information, everything kept in the inode -- creation time, modification time, ownership, permissions, etc. -- can change and the dir does not change.) |
| 22:58.39 | karlpinc | (Which is actually most meta-information on the file.O |
| 22:59.54 | annadane | i need to take notes on what i add/remove |
| 23:00.01 | annadane | though i can generally remember it in my head |
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| 23:02.15 | annadane | (yes i'm aware there are other ways of doing this) |
| 23:02.33 | annadane | such as cp -u and so on |
| 23:04.05 | annadane | i'm probably being inefficient by having a mental map of the stuff that i've changed on my system, but meh, whatever, not mission-critical |
| 23:04.15 | annadane | it works for me |
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| 23:12.43 | annadane | i wish file modification time was actually reliable |
| 23:12.51 | trek00 | ok |
| 23:12.55 | trek00 | ops |
| 23:12.56 | annadane | but meh it's also your job to look after your files |
| 23:13.08 | annadane | you *know* what you want to keep |
| 23:14.13 | Unit193 | `date -r myfile.txt` can be useful at times. |
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| 23:16.19 | wnws | git-ls-files -d/-o |
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