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| 00:29.40 | valoga | is it possible to show a message after a .deb is installed? |
| 00:30.10 | valoga | I didn't see anything in the control file that might indicate such feature |
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| 00:38.42 | Unit193 | valoga: I believe I have an answer, but to what purpose? Just to make sure. |
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| 00:41.45 | valoga | Unit193: to notify the user of some notes regarding the package |
| 00:42.15 | jelly | valoga, is the user unable to read /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian ? |
| 00:42.39 | valoga | yes but ideally I could have some print to the tty before/after installing? |
| 00:42.47 | valoga | s/some/something/ |
| 00:43.00 | valoga | if it's not something standard/builtin then I'll use the README |
| 00:43.03 | jelly | what if the user is using a GUI tool to install stuff, like synaptic? |
| 00:43.08 | Unit193 | If every package did that, it'd be super annoying. Keeping that in mind, you can also echo in the postinst. |
| 00:43.11 | valoga | not on this particular platform they won't |
| 00:43.45 | jelly | is this particular platform Debian or not? |
| 00:43.46 | valoga | Unit193: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 00:43.54 | Unit193 | https://sources.debian.org/src/virtualbox-ext-pack/6.1.4-2/debian/postinst.in/ |
| 00:43.59 | valoga | jelly: yes but the hardware is embedded |
| 00:44.21 | valoga | Unit193: that's perfect, thank you! |
| 00:44.31 | Unit193 | valoga: You're welcome. |
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| 00:45.31 | jelly | valoga, make sure the thing is run only when the "configure" action is done ("$1" for postinst script should be equal to that string). postinst can be called with other parameters. |
| 00:46.43 | jelly | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#summary-of-ways-maintainer-scripts-are-called |
| 00:46.44 | valoga | jelly: will do and thanks for the advice |
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| 00:47.53 | jelly | there's the #packaging channel over on OFTC (irc.oftc.net, also same as irc.debian.org) if you need stranger things |
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| 01:10.41 | afidegnum | how do i configure the iptables after this setting? https://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend |
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| 01:39.22 | cybercrypto | afidegnum: Do you happen to know the protocols and ports used and required by your service? networks and hosts to grant access? |
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| 01:42.09 | cybercrypto | afidegnum: is your question related to a problem you are facing, or is it general configuration (you dont know how to setup firewall rules?) you may start considering using netfilter instead of iptables as well. |
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| 03:18.23 | usney | can you install two different ram that have different speeds or do they have to be the same? |
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| 03:19.16 | phogg | usney: depends on the motherboard, usually. |
| 03:19.21 | usney | well I don't think they would have to be since my mother board doesn't support the use of anything higher than what I already have installed. So I guess it only matters if you go under. |
| 03:20.02 | usney | I learned you can install faster frequencies it just only run at that. |
| 03:20.13 | usney | if the mobo doesn't support it. |
| 03:20.15 | phogg | usney: the motherboard manual should detail exactly which slot/speed RAM combinations work |
| 03:20.39 | usney | how do I find out my laptop motherboard model? |
| 03:20.45 | usney | I tried using lshw |
| 03:20.48 | phogg | usney: do you know the motherboard model? |
| 03:20.52 | usney | no |
| 03:21.08 | usney | it says it is by dell but I don't think they make mobo |
| 03:21.11 | phogg | I don't know if it's always reported in lshw... You can usually find it stamped on the physical board. Kind of hard to get to in a laptop. |
| 03:21.13 | karlpinc | usney: So look on the board. It's always printed there. |
| 03:21.13 | phogg | goes to look |
| 03:21.45 | usney | yes I can do that I will be doing that anyways to upgrade a cpu to it. |
| 03:22.10 | phogg | usney: good vendors will let you work backward from the laptop model + serial number to the exact hardware via something on the vendor web site. |
| 03:22.17 | usney | I used dell laptop experts to make sure it works with my mobo |
| 03:22.20 | phogg | not always possible, but sometimes |
| 03:23.34 | usney | I am doing the upgrade primarily because my current cpu doesn't support vt-x but my mobo does. I need that so running VMs are not real slow. |
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| 03:23.57 | usney | Do VMs use ram and swap just like other programs or can they only use system ram? |
| 03:24.32 | phogg | usney: once you have the motherboard model you can put that + the vendor name in to Google and usually get the manual. You can probably also step through the vendor's web site and access technical documents that way. |
| 03:24.54 | usney | cool thank you |
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| 03:25.26 | phogg | more recent hardware is easier, really old stuff is sometimes not easy to find |
| 03:26.10 | usney | it isn't super recent but not too old it is 8 years old probably 9 since usually it is last year they came out with it. |
| 03:26.54 | usney | I am planning on getting a new laptop for usb3 support. |
| 03:27.50 | usney | what is some good software to use on debian for people who can't type well? |
| 03:28.15 | usney | I have a friend I installed linux on his laptop but he doesn't type |
| 03:28.30 | usney | is there like a good dragon speak naturally or something for debian? |
| 03:28.42 | usney | he uses it for streaming and video chat |
| 03:28.48 | usney | also playing games |
| 03:29.16 | sponix | whoever sought out the possible fixes for my xfwm4 cpu race condition -- Big Thanks |
| 03:29.29 | usney | what is that? |
| 03:29.42 | usney | what is cpu race condition? |
| 03:29.45 | sponix | It seems the compositor or whatever that thing is being turned off is helping |
| 03:30.21 | sponix | usney: after a couple days my xfwm4 would start to consume about 30-40% CPU across all 10 of my cores, making the whole system lag, especially with app and desktop changes |
| 03:30.23 | usney | that's good so it is running faster now? |
| 03:31.00 | sponix | Yes, everything is snappy now as it should be after a day or so... It does make my Plank Dock thing look a little less flashy -- but whatever :P |
| 03:31.09 | usney | I recommend to use startpage.com phogg |
| 03:31.14 | sponix | I am function over form anyway |
| 03:31.27 | sponix | thus the xfce choice to begin with |
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| 03:42.52 | nevivurn | Hello! What happens if my graphics card is not yet supported in the firmware-amd-graphics packaged currently in debian? What can I expect to work / what can I expect to not work? |
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| 03:43.54 | sponix | nevivurn: what card ? |
| 03:44.15 | nevivurn | Radeon RX 5500 XT |
| 03:44.42 | sponix | damn that is NEW |
| 03:44.56 | sponix | why purchase something that NEW if you knew it was a Linux rig ? |
| 03:45.03 | sponix | just like punishment ? |
| 03:45.20 | cybercrypto | :-) sounds like a plan |
| 03:46.08 | nevivurn | Yeah.. according to other distribution wikis, as long as I use the kernel in backports and backport some stuff in sid they claim it works (just checking version numbers), firmware-amd-graphics is the only thing that seems to be too old. |
| 03:46.45 | nevivurn | I do have a Linux daily driver, this one is mostly for games, but I still do want linux installed it on it somewhere. |
| 03:46.47 | sponix | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 03:46.48 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2 |
| 03:47.22 | sponix | those dates don't look to recent |
| 03:47.54 | nevivurn | Just looking at package contents, https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/any/linux-firmware/files/ arch has files for navi14*, but Debian doesn't, it seems. |
| 03:48.02 | sponix | for the price/performance of a 5500 XT -- I'd have just bought a well supported RX 570/580 8GB Card for a Linux Gaming Rig |
| 03:48.17 | nevivurn | 20200224 on that arch package |
| 03:48.28 | sponix | nevivurn: well Arch is all bleeding edge, and that might be exactly what you need for it |
| 03:48.36 | nevivurn | You're probably right, but oh well. |
| 03:49.05 | sponix | I love Debian for its stability, but it might not be the best fit for that card at the moment |
| 03:49.24 | nevivurn | But what would actually happen if I were to install debian on it? |
| 03:49.37 | sponix | *cough* Manjaro + Steam might be the choice for a Gaming rig with a card that new |
| 03:49.56 | nevivurn | I did run arch for a years ago, switched to Debian after I got tired of updates. |
| 03:50.09 | nevivurn | s/a /a few/ |
| 03:50.33 | sponix | nevivurn: well.... I'm not 100% sure, guess you could pull it down from Arch and slap it in, see if it breaks anything or makes it work |
| 03:50.49 | sponix | "What's the worst that could happen ?" |
| 03:50.54 | nevivurn | heh, right. |
| 03:51.46 | nevivurn | I want to know what wouldn't work if I were to just install debian and not do anything fancy, though. I don't plan on gaming on Linux, it's going to dualboot. |
| 03:51.51 | sponix | I _might_ be running Manjaro right now if it wasn't for a dumb apache2 packaging issue (in Arch itself too pretty sure) |
| 03:51.52 | nevivurn | Will it not be able to show anythig at all? |
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| 03:52.58 | sponix | nevivurn: Do Debian 10.3 and kernel 5.4.19 through backports and see if it blows up |
| 03:53.45 | nevivurn | I can already feel this being a _fun_ weekend. |
| 03:53.54 | sponix | if the 5500 core is the same software wise as the 5700 -- amdgpu from the kernel could load right up. I was under the impression though that the firmware helps properly identify/use things |
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| 03:55.13 | sponix | nevivurn: Level1Techs Wendall -- He snagged newer firmware for a RX 590 when it 1st launched and literally cp'd it into Ubuntu or whatever as his hack to make it function... If anything might check the forum there and see if such an ordeal is needed |
| 03:56.17 | nevivurn | Yeah, I guess worst case I could try to pull whatever the arch guys did (or just run arch) |
| 03:57.19 | sponix | Arch isn't bad.. but I do know what you mean about beating you down with updates. I didn't do them for only like 2 weeks in a vm one time, it was nuts attempting to catch back up |
| 03:58.05 | cyveris | Sounds like you missed something that required manual intervention |
| 03:59.10 | sponix | cyveris: with me, it was most likely just plain old "user error" lol |
| 03:59.27 | sponix | normally is |
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| 04:07.59 | emss | lwp: the discs i was burning the netinst image too were bad, another one works fine. the install boots and loads the files from the disc without issue. thank you! |
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| 04:46.36 | pie3 | (off topic) |
| 04:46.38 | pie3 | pie3> https://mathworld.wolfram.com/topics/StatisticalDistributions.html |
| 04:46.40 | pie3 | <pie3> there are so many distribuition, how to choose distibution out of them |
| 04:46.42 | pie3 | <pie3> normally, i came across normal/gaussian distribution only while going thru machine learning course |
| 04:47.38 | usney | phogg I went into the bios and it seems the bios software manufacturer is the motherboard maker |
| 04:48.31 | ryouma | pie3: it is a deep question best asked on #statistics or something |
| 04:48.39 | pie3 | ok |
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| 04:51.07 | usney | nevermind phogg it can be a different manufacturer but the software utility will let me know that the bios manufacturer gives out in a download. |
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| 04:53.27 | annadane | pie3, what distro to choose depends on what you need it for |
| 04:53.31 | annadane | debian is fine for a lot of people |
| 04:53.49 | annadane | oh, mathmatical distribution? |
| 04:53.56 | annadane | it's late and i'm tired and kant reed |
| 04:53.56 | pie3 | hmm annadane |
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| 04:55.07 | usney | is that normal for the new debian installer to overwrite data before installing? |
| 04:55.16 | usney | I am using expert mode. |
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| 05:43.17 | jaggz | what's a way from an live cd I can share screens and let someone control my computer? |
| 05:44.15 | diogenes_ | jaggz, with teamviewer or anydesk. |
| 05:44.42 | jaggz | diogenes_, thanks :) |
| 05:45.10 | diogenes_ | i prefer anydesk, there is also google share using google chrome. |
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| 05:54.10 | nickdo | hello! ð |
| 05:54.42 | jaggz | diogenes_, does that let you access the remote side? |
| 05:55.36 | nickdo | do y'all devs happen to use tool called vagrant? |
| 05:56.13 | diogenes_ | jaggz, it allows both ways. |
| 05:57.35 | jaggz | diogenes_, kewl.. (just got anydesk up.. teamviewer's saying to check my connection.. saying the same to my friend on the phone.. maybe tv's site's down or something) |
| 05:57.58 | jaggz | hopefully anydesk will work |
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| 06:01.06 | usney | I don't think I need it is a special format since I only use android and linux |
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| 06:55.29 | at0m | usney: yea android can do ext4. at least my /data is ext4 here |
| 06:56.54 | at0m | running lineageOS, but i think it's safe to assume that goes for android, too |
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| 07:04.57 | usney | cool at0m |
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| 07:11.10 | x4- | guys any idea why when i use flatpack or snap and install some program dont see this program in my menu? |
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| 07:13.29 | at0m | xi: cos that's not an installation, debian way, but just some copypasta? put it in the menu yourself.. |
| 07:13.30 | diogenes_ | x4-, try re-log also sometimes they indeed don't put the shortcuts in the menu. |
| 07:14.03 | at0m | sorry xi, x4- ^^ |
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| 07:16.10 | x4- | @at0m, yea i do that just think how to fix this :p |
| 07:16.32 | at0m | no need to @mention, this isn't twitter/discord/.. |
| 07:16.55 | x4- | @diogenes_, i know this in ubuntu just need reboot but here dont help :p |
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| 07:32.03 | Nomenclatura | Hi. Anyone knows of a way to display from a gfx to a laptop display directly via usbc or hdmi? |
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| 07:32.23 | luna_ | https://imgur.com/a/CHmQvtJ is having the first day and the last day of the Debian 11 BSP hackathon in her bed |
| 07:32.36 | Nomenclatura | My laptop display is way better than my desktop's but my desktop has a really good gfx... |
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| 07:59.10 | Epsilon-0 | Hey, does anyone here use i3? |
| 07:59.52 | wolf1 | Epsilon-0, go to #i3 and ask there |
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| 08:01.01 | Epsilon-0 | thanks |
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| 09:12.59 | Cheaterman | Hey buddiez I hope y'all doing goodie |
| 09:13.11 | Cheaterman | I just upgraded to buster, and it seems python3.7 isn't multiarch anymore? |
| 09:13.20 | Cheaterman | python3.5 was multiarch on stretch |
| 09:14.05 | nkuttler | what do you mean? |
| 09:14.35 | Cheaterman | I mean that I can't install :i386 and :amd64 versions of python3-dev on buster |
| 09:14.40 | Cheaterman | and I would like to do that |
| 09:15.35 | nkuttler | which error do you get when you try to install them? |
| 09:16.05 | Cheaterman | it's not an error, it warns me that python3 will be uninstalled |
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| 09:16.55 | Cheaterman | https://pastebin.com/Hn10LybS |
| 09:17.00 | Cheaterman | nkuttler: â this is what I get |
| 09:17.17 | Cheaterman | "following packages will be REMOVED" isn't looking too good to me |
| 09:17.56 | Cheaterman | what do you think? :-) |
| 09:19.12 | Cheaterman | FWIW I'd love to be part of the Py2-purge effort, but I guess I'd have to use testing/experimental for that |
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| 09:26.43 | Cheaterman | nkuttler: ideas? |
| 09:27.00 | afidegnum | helo, any answer for my issue ? |
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| 09:33.30 | Cheaterman | nkuttler: they're clearly not multiarch anymore. |
| 09:33.32 | Cheaterman | what am I to do now? |
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| 09:40.57 | ratrace | Cheaterman: ?! you here? is the sky falling? :) blibli. ohai. |
| 09:41.05 | Cheaterman | Hahahah bliblibli ratrace |
| 09:41.20 | Cheaterman | Yeah, the sky is falling xD Python2 support is dropped, and Python3 isn't multiarch in Buster! |
| 09:41.27 | Cheaterman | What will become? :-D |
| 09:42.22 | ratrace | yea buster is in an unenvying position there, having to provide python2 until its own EOL |
| 09:42.56 | ratrace | then again, wherever possible I'm using python packages from pypi directly via virtualenvs and pip. most if not all of them are py3 compatible. |
| 09:43.19 | nkuttler | Cheaterman: tbh, i've never even thought about installing a python from multiarch |
| 09:43.52 | nkuttler | i'm curious for what purpose though |
| 09:44.32 | Cheaterman | well, I need to link against x86 stuff |
| 09:44.43 | nkuttler | ah |
| 09:44.44 | Cheaterman | On a (standard nowadays) x86_64 system |
| 09:45.16 | Cheaterman | I'd be a bit sad if I have to install 32 bits python3 system-wide without keeping access to the 64 bits one |
| 09:45.42 | Cheaterman | ratrace: totally what I'm doing hehe. but I still need a 32 bits interpreter to compile/link against :-/ |
| 09:45.52 | usney | Is the i386 debian testing dvd 1 enough for installation with a graphical environment with or without internet connection? |
| 09:46.16 | nkuttler | !dvd contents |
| 09:46.17 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
| 09:46.34 | ratrace | Cheaterman: yeah I tried that in a test VM now and I see it's doing that. Are you sure it was multiarch in the past? I mean, there can be only one /usr/bin/python |
| 09:46.46 | Cheaterman | It was TOTALLy multiarch in stretch with 3.5 |
| 09:46.52 | Cheaterman | There's zero doubt about it |
| 09:47.05 | Cheaterman | I'm just trying to restore my setup after my upgrade to buster yesterday |
| 09:47.26 | Cheaterman | (also I upgraded because I was sick of 3.5. in WHAT KIND OF LIFE don't you have f-strings??? seriously... :-P) |
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| 09:48.15 | Cheaterman | ratrace: Also, it was prefixed IIRC. /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-python or something |
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| 09:48.22 | ratrace | Cheaterman: looking at this, it seems both :amd64 and :i386 are providing same paths, eg. /usr/bin/python3 so I can't imagine them being coinstallable: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/i386/python3-minimal/filelist |
| 09:48.50 | Cheaterman | wait that's for stretch? how did it work then? Because it definitely worked ^^" |
| 09:49.06 | ratrace | dunno, that's why I am asking if you're sure. |
| 09:49.23 | Cheaterman | I'm 200% sure really |
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| 09:49.46 | Cheaterman | I had real python3, no prefix, and also i686-python3 thing |
| 09:49.53 | ratrace | starts a stretch VM install |
| 09:49.59 | Cheaterman | Now, if they were both i686 and I'm just confused... that's possible :-/ |
| 09:50.05 | Cheaterman | But I doubt it |
| 09:50.26 | Cheaterman | Seeing how Python3 remained installed, but python3:i686 got uninstalled during full-upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 09:50.36 | Cheaterman | Thanks ratrace :-) |
| 09:50.45 | Cheaterman | Hopefully I'm not sending us on a goose chase >__< |
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| 09:51.37 | Cheaterman | Fairly sure the only did back in the day was "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update && apt install python3-dev:i386" or something along those lines |
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| 09:52.36 | Cheaterman | What's especially sad is all libpython stuff I'm trying to link against DOES have the $ARCH in its path, so somehow it should be compatible with side-by-side multiarch install? |
| 09:52.46 | Cheaterman | (eg /usr/lib/python3.7/config-3.7m-x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython3.7m.so ) |
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| 09:58.40 | iliv | I'm running buster and "sar -p -d" returns "Requested activities not available in file /var/log/sysstat/sa29" |
| 09:58.53 | Cheaterman | AHHHH WAIT RATRACE |
| 09:59.00 | ratrace | Cheaterman: ? |
| 09:59.01 | Cheaterman | I think it's because python itself |
| 09:59.04 | Cheaterman | I might not need python-dev |
| 09:59.06 | Cheaterman | just libpython-dev |
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| 09:59.11 | Cheaterman | and this seems to install side-by-side OK |
| 09:59.15 | Cheaterman | lemme double check before you stop your VM ^^ |
| 09:59.21 | ratrace | Cheaterman: from which packages? |
| 09:59.28 | Cheaterman | libpython3.7-dev:i386 |
| 09:59.37 | Cheaterman | (and his friends, libpython3.7-minimal etc) |
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| 10:00.01 | ratrace | ah yes, THAT one is installable just fine on buster, doesn't remove anythings |
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| 10:00.13 | Cheaterman | Sounds goodie, I think I can link against, hopefully it's enough to embed the interpreter |
| 10:00.19 | iliv | -S DISK is configured by default: $ grep SADC /etc/sysstat/sysstat shows: SADC_OPTIONS="-S DISK". I can't seem to find anything on Google about this problem. It's configured but it doesn't work? Does anyone know what's going here? |
| 10:00.31 | ratrace | Cheaterman: I think it is |
| 10:03.03 | Cheaterman | ratrace: Looking good :-D thanks a lot |
| 10:03.05 | Cheaterman | It works perfectly |
| 10:03.12 | Cheaterman | Sorry for the wild goose chase ^^" |
| 10:03.47 | Cheaterman | Too used to install something-dev when needing to compile against something on debian |
| 10:03.54 | Cheaterman | :-D |
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| 10:04.21 | ratrace | Cheaterman: don't worry, 'twas an adventure and I'll be having a stretch VM if the need arises anyway |
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| 10:04.45 | Cheaterman | Hehehe yeah :-D I guess in these times, having a Stretch VM can be useful, I can't be the only one who delayed their upgrade until now haha |
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| 10:06.43 | ratrace | Cheaterman: you'd be surprised how often we get Qs about jessie or even wheezy in here :) |
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| 10:08.08 | Cheaterman | Wow, yeah that seems a bit much XD hahahaha |
| 10:08.26 | Cheaterman | But then again, if I was still in my former company, we might have some VERY OLD raspbian setups to maintain and the likes :-P so we never know |
| 10:08.48 | ratrace | well, they're still technically supported by the LTS teams, to a degree |
| 10:08.55 | Cheaterman | Ah, good to know |
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| 10:09.41 | Cheaterman | For some FOSS things that aren't as serious (read: business-ready) as Debian, it's not rare the knowledge of all caveats related to an upgrade disappears by the time the next upgrade is out XD |
| 10:10.05 | Cheaterman | So you wanna stay uptodate, otherwise you risk being stuck hahaha |
| 10:10.11 | ratrace | indeed :) |
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| 10:22.42 | davorin | good morning (o; |
| 10:23.00 | davorin | can i mark a program as being always started with root privileges? |
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| 10:27.42 | nulld1g1t | Hi davorin |
| 10:27.48 | davorin | ehlo (o; |
| 10:27.52 | nulld1g1t | a program is a file |
| 10:28.02 | davorin | okay..seems sudo chmod u+s seems to do it |
| 10:28.11 | davorin | and sudo chown root:root |
| 10:28.12 | nulld1g1t | we set permission attributs to the file |
| 10:28.17 | davorin | but then it won't find the libraries anymore |
| 10:28.17 | nulld1g1t | in octal |
| 10:28.29 | nulld1g1t | for read write execution |
| 10:28.43 | nulld1g1t | the famous rwx when you list |
| 10:28.50 | nulld1g1t | with ls -lia |
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| 10:29.03 | tomreyn | davorin: you can setuid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid but this may not be a good idea, since then anyone and anything which is able to run something on your computer can run this as root |
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| 10:29.23 | davorin | well my main problem is a fpga ide software... |
| 10:29.42 | davorin | the fpga ide runs fine...it is only the programmer which needs root privileges to access a programmer |
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| 10:29.57 | fiyfyfy | hi |
| 10:30.05 | tomreyn | davorin: sudo is another option if you just want a specific user to be able to run a given command at a given path as a different (e.g. root) user |
| 10:30.27 | davorin | well the ide can't call sudo.... |
| 10:30.52 | nulld1g1t | run your ide as root, oups it's a sin ;) |
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| 10:31.42 | davorin | hmm...an entry in the sudoers file so no password is asked and then make a wrapper script which has the original filename as the programmer software? |
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| 10:32.04 | fiyfyfy | hey guys, systemd is invading my buster and the cpu is really hot |
| 10:32.14 | tomreyn | so i assume "the ide" runs a fixed command which you cannot modify because it is closed source. in this case you could create a wrapper script or bash alias |
| 10:32.20 | tomreyn | davorin: ^ |
| 10:32.50 | nulld1g1t | davorin: what is the error message you have ? |
| 10:33.10 | fiyfyfy | how i can escape of systemd control of my resources |
| 10:33.16 | davorin | well the error message is that it can't access the usb programmer... |
| 10:33.25 | davorin | it's a weird chinese fpga software (o; |
| 10:33.33 | nulld1g1t | says who ? |
| 10:33.38 | nulld1g1t | your ide |
| 10:33.44 | nulld1g1t | or the linux OS |
| 10:33.47 | nulld1g1t | ? |
| 10:33.47 | davorin | yes... |
| 10:33.55 | tomreyn | davorin: maybe the user running the ide needs to be in plugdev or a similar group? |
| 10:33.59 | nulld1g1t | if it is your ide |
| 10:34.07 | davorin | plugdev? |
| 10:34.09 | nulld1g1t | make sure you own it entirely |
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| 10:34.35 | nulld1g1t | chown -R you : you folder and everything below |
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| 10:34.44 | nulld1g1t | -R recursive |
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| 10:35.24 | nulld1g1t | have you tried that ? |
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| 10:36.27 | davorin | it is everything owned by me |
| 10:37.12 | nulld1g1t | what is spitting the error you can't access the programmer ? |
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| 10:37.27 | nulld1g1t | the Os or your programm ? |
| 10:37.40 | nulld1g1t | any message in dmesg ? |
| 10:37.49 | tomreyn | https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups - i was wrong about plugdev, that's for pmount |
| 10:39.10 | nulld1g1t | is your ide 'compatible with your Linux ditro ? |
| 10:40.29 | tomreyn | yes that'S what i meant, sorry i missed this question earlier <davorin> hmm...an entry in the sudoers file so no password is asked and then make a wrapper script which has the original filename as the programmer software? |
| 10:40.42 | davorin | nothing in dmesg... |
| 10:40.56 | davorin | just tells me: Error Cable open failed (o; |
| 10:41.02 | davorin | anyway..trying now the wrapper stuff |
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| 10:43.06 | davorin | hmm..need to logout/in... |
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| 10:44.55 | tomreyn | they're gone. |
| 10:45.07 | nulld1g1t | well |
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| 10:49.12 | nulld1g1t | gtg, see ya |
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| 10:53.43 | EdePopede | afidegnum: some software (firefox) can just be unpacked in some directory (like /opt), some has an installer (chrome iirc) you have to run, some comes as .deb (be careful while unpacking to apt country) |
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| 10:54.37 | EdePopede | afidegnum: and some projects have their own repo for their own software. and again, be careful. |
| 10:54.59 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 11:18.32 | davorin | hmm...not working with sudo wrapper...still asks for password... |
| 11:18.37 | davorin | is this entry right? |
| 11:18.46 | davorin | klingler ALL=NOPASSWD:/home/klingler/opt/Programmer/bin/programmer |
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| 11:19.04 | jozefk | Hi. I have a question about cloning debian full install from USB flash drive to internal SATA SSD. Is something like that possible at all? I got one vfat efi partition on it, one root / ext4 and one swap. That's all. If possible what's the recommended way of doing it? |
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| 11:22.00 | davorin | ah now it works...stupid me..need to specify the actual program...not the script containing sudo (o; |
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| 14:41.05 | underscore___ | Hello #debian. I am dealing with some issues with Texmaker and / or texlive on debian 10 and I can't figure out how to resolve this. |
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| 14:45.29 | underscore___ | Trying to use the fontspec package, I am getting the error: ! Fatal Package fontspec Error: The fontspec package requires either XeTeX or (fontspec) LuaTeX. (fontspec) (fontspec) You must change your typesetting engine to, (fontspec) e.g., "xelatex" or "lualatex"instead of (fontspec) "latex" or "pdflatex". |
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| 14:54.37 | os_ | underscore___, change tex engine |
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| 14:58.43 | pie_[bnc] | does current debian enable sysrq? |
| 14:58.58 | pie_[bnc] | i need this for a "disabling sysrq by default argument" |
| 14:59.09 | pie_[bnc] | s/argument"/"argument/ |
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| 15:02.44 | EdePopede | pie_[bnc], just check the value: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-enable-all-sysrq-functions-on-linux |
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| 15:03.35 | pie_[bnc] | EdePopede: im not running debian |
| 15:03.41 | pie_[bnc] | i supose i should have said that |
| 15:04.28 | EdePopede | ah upps. i have 438 here, iirc i changed it from the 176 mentioned in the article |
| 15:05.24 | underscore___ | pie_[bnc]: grep -i CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ /boot/config-YOUR_KERNEL_VERSION |
| 15:06.03 | pie_[bnc] | underscore___: ok to clarify again, im not running debian but i want to know what debians settings are :P |
| 15:06.23 | pie_[bnc] | anyway i just got another confirmation that its 438, thanks EdePopede |
| 15:06.24 | underscore___ | Oh, ok pie_[bnc]. I am on grep -i CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ /boot/config-5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ_DEFAULT_ENABLE=0x01b6 CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ_SERIAL=y |
| 15:06.30 | underscore___ | It's enabled |
| 15:06.55 | joepublic | one distro down, 5000 to go |
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| 15:08.23 | EdePopede | 1b6 here too in the config. last time i had to use it (regularly) was before jessie and some part of the REISUB was off. can't remember if i'm still changing it after reboot. |
| 15:09.31 | joepublic | Enabled on trisquel flidas too fwiw pie |
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| 15:15.59 | underscore___ | os_: thank you! I just found that I was missing the packages luatex and xetex, so it wasn't working earlier when I tried that. It's ok now! |
| 15:16.07 | underscore___ | packages for |
| 15:17.00 | os_ | you need just one, not necessary both of them |
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| 15:18.33 | underscore___ | Yes, os_. Goodbye #debian. |
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| 16:25.38 | netcrash | Hello, any router software that allows to have a same network interface, pfsense does not work for that. |
| 16:27.11 | ndegruchy | netcrash: you're looking for a "router on a stick", I presume? You can do it in pfSense, though I'm not sure how difficult it is. |
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| 16:28.14 | Akuw | the equvalent of pathping in linux is? |
| 16:29.48 | jaakkos | Akuw: try mtr |
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| 16:57.40 | netcrash | ndegruchy: it's said that router on a stick in pfsense requires vlans |
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| 17:36.43 | blawiz | how can i use two dictionaries in 'aspell -d no check file'? i tried adding --add-extra-dicts=en but get an error 'Error: Expected language "nb" but got "en".' |
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| 18:22.46 | sponix | ,v qemu-kvm |
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| 18:22.46 | judd | Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u14; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u8; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; stretch-security: 1:2.8+dfsg-6+deb9u9; buster: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u3; buster-proposed-updates: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u4; buster-security: 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u4; bullseye: 1:4.2-3; sid: 1:4.2-3 |
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| 18:25.27 | trysten | i'm trying to connect to wifi with nmcli, but not sure what i'm missing. I can connect 'manually' by running wpa_supplicant and wpa_passphrase etc. nmcli is what i want to use though, and it won't list networks (ssid's) |
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| 18:26.14 | trysten | i ran `nmcli device set wlp2s0 managed yes` but it doesn't seem to set it to managed state. where should i look now? |
| 18:27.58 | matt__ | ls |
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| 18:30.47 | icecream | How exactly does gai.conf work? I've added "precedence ::ffff:ac12:0/112 60" as entry, which translates to a local /16 v4 subnet that should take precedence over its v6 addresses, though when pinging other IPs IPv4 also takes precedence (i.e. ping google.com pings the v4 by default, not the v6) |
| 18:31.05 | icecream | (That's also the only entry, everything else is untouched) |
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| 18:43.44 | mutantturkey | i am reading .org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 18:44.46 | mutantturkey | i have |
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| 18:44.51 | mutantturkey | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 18:44.54 | mutantturkey | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:44.57 | mutantturkey | i think that should... 'just work' |
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| 18:45.30 | mutantturkey | eth0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 |
| 18:45.35 | mutantturkey | so the interface is up |
| 18:45.48 | mutantturkey | but i don't get a lease back from dhclient eth0 -v |
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| 18:48.40 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: Do you also have network manager installed? (The interfaces file and network manager do no play nicely in my limited experience.) |
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| 18:49.50 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: You could look to see if dhclient is running to be a dhcp client. |
| 18:49.56 | mutantturkey | no, nothing installed like that. |
| 18:50.08 | mutantturkey | karlpinc: what do you mean by the second line |
| 18:50.25 | mutantturkey | the output is pretty much what you'd expect |
| 18:50.47 | mutantturkey | isteining on eth0, sending on eth0, dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67, then it times out after a bunch of tries |
| 18:51.26 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: It's the dhclient daemon that is your dhcp client (iirc.) |
| 18:51.49 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: Is there a firewall on your box? |
| 18:52.20 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: How did you get that network traffic? |
| 18:52.40 | mutantturkey | right now, i am KVM'd into it through the digitalocean online interface |
| 18:53.03 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: So this is a digital ocean box? |
| 18:53.07 | mutantturkey | yessir |
| 18:54.02 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: My digitalocean box has a static ip. |
| 18:54.40 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: Why is it that you're doing dhcp to get an address? |
| 18:54.42 | mutantturkey | how dos the configuration from debian work? |
| 18:54.55 | mutantturkey | did you manually configure it the first time? |
| 18:55.12 | mutantturkey | sure, my IP is static as well, but thats because digital ocean keeps serving me the same static ip from a dhcp lease |
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| 18:55.27 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: I didn't. I installed a debian image and it came up with an IP assigned. |
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| 18:56.08 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: My /etc/network/interfaces is not doing dhcp, it has a static ip. |
| 18:56.52 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: Anyway, best to get support directly from digital ocean on this. They are the admins handing out the IPs and they'll want to be sure you get the right one so their network is not hosed. |
| 18:57.17 | karlpinc | mutantturkey: I installed some time ago. Maybe they've changed their image. Dunno. |
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| 19:22.20 | mutantturkey | yeah |
| 19:22.28 | mutantturkey | interesting if i do a tcpdump |
| 19:22.44 | mutantturkey | it lists an arp request who-has x.x.x.x tell y.y.y.y |
| 19:22.59 | mutantturkey | x.x.x.x. being the public ip listed on DO, and y.y.y.y being the gateway |
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| 19:27.53 | mutantturkey | ah there was another file in interfaces.d that might be interfering |
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| 19:44.02 | outofrange | IDENTIFY outofrange vikas |
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| 19:45.46 | EdePopede | outofrange, you've seen it? |
| 19:45.54 | outofrange | no |
| 19:46.06 | Allain | outofrange do no type a command like this in a chan |
| 19:46.15 | EdePopede | it's just... you may want a new pw now ;) |
| 19:46.18 | Allain | Everybody knows your password nox |
| 19:46.20 | outofrange | ok |
| 19:46.27 | Allain | *now |
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| 19:50.33 | outofrange | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.20 | annadane | oh geez. |
| 19:51.32 | annadane | won't say anything |
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| 20:03.00 | EdePopede | iirc that's the typical c&p from their website ;) |
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| 20:46.18 | sparky4 | my trackpoint on my thinkpad t1440p is not working |
| 20:46.23 | sparky4 | it is not even detected now |
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| 20:47.52 | sparky4 | hello? |
| 20:48.40 | karlpinc | sparky4: How do you know whether it is detected? |
| 20:48.51 | sparky4 | i check in xfce4-mouse-settings |
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| 20:49.05 | sparky4 | it was there but when i hook a mouse up it dissapears |
| 20:49.07 | karlpinc | sparky4: Try lsusb, as root. |
| 20:49.12 | sparky4 | ok |
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| 20:50.04 | karlpinc | sparky4: If it was there, the kernel found it. So something else is deciding that it shouldn't be used. |
| 20:50.12 | conenex | Hi, does this server have English grammar channels? |
| 20:51.18 | sparky4 | https://paste.debian.net/1137296/ |
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| 20:52.24 | sparky4 | karlpinc: i hook up a usb mouse and it gets deleted |
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| 20:57.56 | sparky4 | ok i did a modprobe of psmouse and it is now detected |
| 20:58.07 | sparky4 | but now the pointer dose not move |
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| 21:04.10 | pavl | hi all |
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| 21:04.58 | pavl | I am diving in linux and could someone share some good resources to read about it |
| 21:05.17 | pavl | I maen from scratch |
| 21:05.24 | pavl | how it works |
| 21:06.26 | pavl | For instance. I did not understand the thing of the major and minor numbers, just read some, |
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| 21:08.21 | sparky4 | karlpinc: should i upgrade to debian 11? |
| 21:08.32 | sparky4 | upgrading 9 to 10 broke the trackpoint |
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| 21:11.01 | watom | sparky4 you can try to get a newer kernel from backports for driver issues |
| 21:11.30 | sparky4 | watom: thats a great idea |
| 21:12.13 | sparky4 | watom: how would i be doing that? i have the backports in my apt/sources i just dont know how to upgrade to the newser kernel |
| 21:12.35 | sparky4 | watom: i think something else is causing it to fuck up |
| 21:13.04 | sparky4 | worst psart is i need this laptop for school |
| 21:13.47 | watom | depends on your architecture |
| 21:14.00 | watom | usually linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:15.04 | lwp | !grounding |
| 21:15.04 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
| 21:15.10 | lwp | pavl, ^^^^ |
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| 21:19.31 | sparky4 | ok |
| 21:21.11 | karlpinc | sparky4: backports.debian.org contains instructions on how to install backports. |
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| 21:24.04 | mirko | i'm trying to compile ffmpeg against a custom kernel API. the custom kernel was built and installed as debian package. linux-headers*.deb installed, files present in /usr/src/linux-header-*. ffmpeg includes linux/videodev2.h - trying to resolve some defines within the custom kernel header, however /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h is being included and used and doesn't have this symbol. |
| 21:24.22 | mirko | the situation is pretty clear, i just don't know who's fault it is and where to fix this properly |
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| 21:25.50 | pavl | lwp thanks |
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| 21:26.09 | mirko | ffmpeg *should* include /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/video/videomode.h instead of /usr/include/linux i assume - is this a debian specific thing? |
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| 21:28.48 | mirko | According to https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/headers_install.html /usr/include/linux should contain the linux kernel headers - how are debian kernel packages supposed to handle that? |
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| 21:39.12 | how2down | Hello! I want to download debian and its really confusing- Do i need to download all 3 of the dvd-x.torrents? |
| 21:39.41 | how2down | And how does writing 3 isos work? |
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| 21:40.43 | econeuler | You can download from the website, there is either the standard free version, or the unofficial non-free |
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| 21:41.53 | annadane | how2down, if you have internet access on the target machine, you can just use the netinst |
| 21:42.05 | annadane | do you have internet access on the machine you wish to install debian on? |
| 21:43.06 | how2down | Thank you! |
| 21:43.07 | econeuler | and you can use the dd command to burn |
| 21:43.25 | how2down | I have an internet connection, ill just use the netinst |
| 21:43.44 | how2down | Can you opt-in for nonfree during install? |
| 21:43.59 | annadane | no. i can give you an image for that, though. |
| 21:44.16 | how2down | Ye, that'd be great |
| 21:44.19 | econeuler | I don't think so, but recommended is to free, and then you can add contrib and non-free to the repo, if you need a specific driver |
| 21:44.21 | annadane | (if you need firmware to actually be able to install it) |
| 21:44.24 | annadane | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:45.06 | econeuler | Why would you install the non-frre btw? |
| 21:45.14 | annadane | i actually... haven't used expert install in a while so you may be able to but basically that's what you use if you need non-free firmware to be able to install debian like for wifi or something |
| 21:45.17 | annadane | econeuler, ^ that |
| 21:45.20 | how2down | I think my wificard is worrysome |
| 21:45.27 | how2down | For free |
| 21:45.35 | Unit193 | There's also live images I believe. |
| 21:45.38 | Unit193 | how2down: What card? |
| 21:45.51 | how2down | Not sure, i think i had trouble in the past |
| 21:45.56 | how2down | Im on a t420 |
| 21:47.20 | econeuler | I added drivers for my graphics card because the fan control was bad on the free version.. just added "contrib non-free" to the lines in: /etc/apt/source.list |
| 21:47.36 | econeuler | Then I could just apt-get install the driver I needed |
| 21:47.43 | annadane | yep |
| 21:47.56 | annadane | but the reason people use the non-free image is if they actually physically need the firmware to be able to install |
| 21:48.09 | econeuler | Aha! Then I get it! |
| 21:48.16 | annadane | obviously all the non-free stuff can be added later but for the install specifically that's why people use it |
| 21:48.46 | econeuler | Is it unofficial to be complient with fsf or something? |
| 21:48.54 | annadane | the alternative i guess is to use a live image, look for missing firmware in dmesg and copy those specific things to the installer that you're missing |
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| 21:49.28 | annadane | not the fsf, if anything it'd be complient with the dfsg... but i think it's more unofficial because it's just a division of labor thing |
| 21:49.30 | annadane | i'm not entirely sure |
| 21:49.46 | econeuler | Okay! |
| 21:49.47 | annadane | the fsf won't even recommend debian because it gives the *option* to add non-free software |
| 21:50.00 | karlpinc | Well, it's not _just_ the install. The install installs all the non-free firmware your hardware needs. So installing software that uses the hardware works. |
| 21:50.04 | econeuler | Hmm, sounds accordingly |
| 21:50.25 | karlpinc | !dfsg |
| 21:50.25 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 21:50.31 | annadane | even though i don't see myself using trisquel anytime soon |
| 21:50.35 | annadane | i'm sure it's okay |
| 21:50.41 | annadane | (or guixsd) |
| 21:50.41 | karlpinc | econeuler: The above is debian's policy. |
| 21:51.02 | econeuler | Thanks! I'll check it out! |
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| 21:52.09 | annadane | not to disparage the fsf, i hugely admire their political stance and the way they stick by principles to start a conversation about free software |
| 21:52.51 | econeuler | Yes, I agree, say what you will abour RMS, but imo he's done a great deal for the world |
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| 21:54.06 | econeuler | who are hanging out here on the debian irc anyway? Haven't been here before |
| 21:54.24 | annadane | hard question to answer, really; just a bunch of volunteers |
| 21:54.42 | econeuler | Connected to the project or just in general? |
| 21:54.48 | annadane | mixture of both |
| 21:55.08 | econeuler | Okay! |
| 21:55.18 | annadane | probably most people who answer questions are not developers; some people may maintain packages, though |
| 21:55.52 | econeuler | I see |
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| 21:56.48 | sponix | annadane: I'm debating doing an SSBP of all qemu-kvm type stuff to Buster (from Sid obviously). You think if I put in a backports request some grand master would do it for me ? Or should I go it alone ? |
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| 21:57.26 | sponix | annadane: I did rtorrent a while back and got my feet wet. But it only had like 2/3 deps. I feel qemu is going to be a mess in that regard |
| 21:57.29 | annadane | i'm the wrong person to ask. i *think* you need to officially request backports |
| 21:57.36 | annadane | karlpinc? |
| 21:58.04 | how2down | Hey, just curious- ill be upgrading to testing as soon as possible, whats its kde version or where can i look it up? |
| 21:58.07 | annadane | let me do some reading |
| 21:58.12 | annadane | ,v kde-plasma-desktop |
| 21:58.14 | judd | Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:104; sid: 5:104 |
| 21:58.20 | annadane | ...that's not useful at all |
| 21:58.21 | annadane | one sec |
| 21:58.50 | how2down | Bullseye is testing right? |
| 21:58.51 | Unit193 | Doesn't judd have a command to check if the backport would be easy? |
| 21:58.57 | Unit193 | how2down: yes sir. |
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| 21:59.10 | Unit193 | sponix: You could always ask the mailing list. |
| 21:59.18 | annadane | it's ,checkbacport foo --fromrelease sid |
| 21:59.27 | annadane | or perhapps you don't need the --fromrelease |
| 21:59.29 | how2down | K, thx! Finally found my usb drive, writing the iso as i write |
| 21:59.43 | sponix | ,checkbackport qemu-kvm |
| 21:59.51 | judd | Backporting package qemu-kvm in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libslirp-dev. |
| 21:59.53 | annadane | ,v plasma-workspace |
| 21:59.54 | judd | Package: plasma-workspace on amd64 -- stretch: 4:5.8.6-2.1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4:5.8.6-2.1+deb9u1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.17.5-4; sid: 4:5.17.5-4 |
| 21:59.59 | annadane | how2down, 5.17 |
| 22:00.16 | how2down | Thx! :) |
| 22:00.41 | annadane | FWIW and it's entirely up to you (along with the usual caveats of testing maybe breaking, don't use it on mission critical stuff), i hear newer versions of KDE are just as buggy |
| 22:01.14 | annadane | i know kde has a fast release cycle and i don't know what features you want, but yeah, newer isn't always better with regard to kde (or anything else; but kde specifically feels like something that gets left behind in debian unlike xfce or whatever) |
| 22:01.18 | annadane | (which is why i say this) |
| 22:01.42 | annadane | also, keep in mind that when you use as a desktop with a lot of dependencies like kde does, it won't all get migrated to testing at once, there will probably be delays at some points |
| 22:01.50 | sponix | Unit193: yeah.. I might do something like that... I want the whole qemu stack including libvirt, virt-manager and so forth to be current from Sid... Kinda afraid I might get in over my head, but at the same time almost wanna sake screw it and go for it :P |
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| 22:02.00 | how2down | Ye, i distrohopped from Ubuntu to Mint to Manjaro and want the deb packages back |
| 22:02.10 | how2down | And manjaro does kde reaaally well |
| 22:02.19 | how2down | So i just want some too |
| 22:02.42 | annadane | so you'll get some kde packages but then some might be delayed and you'll have half-a-newer-desktop with some older components |
| 22:03.07 | Unit193 | sponix: Honestly, doesn't sound fun at all. |
| 22:03.14 | annadane | how2down, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/choosing.en.html#s3.1.6 |
| 22:03.19 | how2down | Ye, i just want seminew kde and packages, thats why ill be testing |
| 22:03.30 | sponix | Unit193: that entirely depends on your ideal of fun ;) |
| 22:03.32 | how2down | I doubt ill notice the old/new mixup |
| 22:03.35 | joepublic | I'm sure it's just me, my computer, or whatever, but I find the desktop environment formerly known as KDE to be quite the reliable crash factory. |
| 22:03.48 | annadane | 3.1.7 was what i actually wanted to link, not that, but just scroll down |
| 22:04.08 | sponix | how2down: Might as well just wipe and install Sid to begin with -- Know a guy running Sid for a couple months now and its done okay |
| 22:04.11 | annadane | (3.1.6 is also related, though) |
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| 22:04.21 | sponix | how2down: who needs stability anyway ? |
| 22:04.51 | how2down | Eh, i might stick to manjaro if stability is an issue, for rolling i had it for half a year and no problems |
| 22:04.57 | joepublic | one generally installs sid by upgrading stable. |
| 22:05.13 | sponix | joepublic: I'm xfce Debian stable. Because for me I just want a light on resources DE to function, be stable, and stay out of my way |
| 22:05.13 | how2down | Or maybe ill install debian as 2nd boot |
| 22:05.30 | Unit193 | sponix: Xfce 4.14 is so much more fun though! |
| 22:05.35 | sponix | joepublic: Oh really.. I keep forgetting that |
| 22:05.47 | Unit193 | joepublic: One can use debootstrap/mmdebstrap to just install testing/unstable. |
| 22:05.51 | annadane | the thing with testing/sid is it isn't a true rolling release; manjaro et al are meant to be *releases* and while you can use debian testing/sid (unstable), its main point is to become the eventual stable, so you won't always get the bleeding edge of what you might want bleeding edge (or just generally newer) versions of |
| 22:05.56 | sponix | Unit193: because the version number is higher than 4.12 ? |
| 22:06.15 | Unit193 | sponix: If you do multimonitor stuff, the support in 4.14 is much better. |
| 22:06.32 | joepublic | 4.14 does have scaling for hidpi |
| 22:06.35 | sponix | Unit193: lol ... well lucky I am poor enough to only run one panel |
| 22:06.55 | how2down | Ye, i dont need bleeding edge, i just dont want stable old packages |
| 22:07.08 | how2down | Kinda like manjaro stable |
| 22:07.23 | annadane | idk how pacman works but i imagine something like manjaro meant to be rolling might do transitions better |
| 22:07.38 | annadane | whereas like i said in debian in testing and sid something transition wise is half-installable |
| 22:07.51 | annadane | especially testing |
| 22:07.52 | econeuler | how2down: Why do you want to run debian? |
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| 22:08.13 | how2down | As said, i just seem to find soft i want/need more often in deb |
| 22:08.16 | Unit193 | annadane: KDE/etc transitions tend to get held up in unstable, so you get them basically all at the same time in testing. |
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| 22:08.45 | annadane | yeah, that's also true, and mirrors my experience using kde in sid |
| 22:09.08 | annadane | first you wait months for qt to be updated, then for them to decide which version of kde to include in sid, *then* you wait more, *then* you eventually get t |
| 22:09.11 | annadane | get it* |
| 22:09.32 | annadane | anyway, *hums along happily on xfce 4.12* |
| 22:09.57 | sparky4 | should i upgrade to debian 11 to fix my pointer trackpoint issue? |
| 22:10.07 | sponix | annadane: yeah, I'm sure that .02 worth isn't that huge |
| 22:10.07 | annadane | only if you know updating would fix it |
| 22:10.17 | how2down | I just love kde connect and that i can turn off my laptop from another room from my phone when i get to stoned to leave the couch haha |
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| 22:10.44 | annadane | i'm surprised they don't call it kde konnect |
| 22:10.52 | sponix | how2down: I leave my rig and laptop running 24/7 |
| 22:10.58 | sponix | annadane: they probably do |
| 22:11.14 | how2down | Its probably in the works haha |
| 22:12.08 | how2down | well, the isos written, ill be off, will report back |
| 22:12.24 | annadane | sparky4, i guess my first guess in situations like that would be "maybe it's fixed with the debian backported kernel", but i have no idea about your specific case |
| 22:12.31 | Unit193 | sparky4: I do not wish to be rude, though in general I'd say if one has to ask if one should upgrade to testing/unstable, the answer is likely 'no'. |
| 22:13.12 | Unit193 | It *might* fix a problem, but it's also likely to come with headaches if one hasn't used it before. |
| 22:13.54 | sponix | sure.. backport kernel is like 5.4.19 right now... Giving that a shot for a hardware possible fix.. why not :) |
| 22:14.21 | Unit193 | That being said, wireguard is being inserted into the backports kernel, which is amazing. |
| 22:14.24 | sponix | I'm running that kernel right now just because I like higher version numbers |
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| 22:17.14 | sponix | Unit193: surely if they rebuild the whole libreoffice for shits and giggles, someone would like to do my virtualization setup, riiight ? |
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| 22:25.00 | sponix | Unit193: well from a security standpoint I hear that is very good |
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| 22:26.01 | sponix | Unit193: question is, is virtualization a big enough deal for enough people to warrant backports. Or am I just a niche |
| 22:26.12 | sponix | goes to google how to request a Backport |
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| 22:27.10 | Unit193 | sponix: It's linked off of backports.debian.org. |
| 22:27.26 | sparky4 | ok i will test the kernel and see if it works |
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| 22:30.14 | sponix | Unit193: the mailing list -- Yeah, I'm going to sub to it now. Thanks |
| 22:30.23 | Unit193 | Sure thing. |
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| 22:34.08 | Unit193 | sponix: Do you do a fair bit of personal backporting? |
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| 22:36.34 | sponix | Unit193: the only thing I've needed to backport so far was rtorrent from 0.9.7 to 0.9.8 .. It only had like 2/3 deps |
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| 22:37.05 | sponix | Unit193: so no, I haven't done a fair bit, just that one, the one time |
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| 22:40.21 | sponix | Unit193: I already know what they are gonna come back and tell me when I put in the request... lol " sounds great, do it yourself " ;) |
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| 22:44.14 | sponix | Unit193: know what.. Think I'll do a fresh VM for this one, do the building in there, that way if I break something my Host OS will be fine :) |
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| 22:44.39 | Unit193 | sponix: sbuild/pbuilder is a great option without the weight of a VM. |
| 22:44.51 | Unit193 | Also, look into mini-dinstall/aptly. |
| 22:46.06 | sponix | Unit193: I will look into that. But for right now I'm gonna try the vm + ssbp option from the bot :) |
| 22:46.09 | sponix | !ssb |
| 22:46.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:48.36 | how2down | Done installing, guess ill search how to switch to testing :) |
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| 22:51.54 | annadane | how2down, if you have questions about it then #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:52.01 | how2down | My mouse pointer speed seems to be fixed in the touchpad settings, how do i fix it? |
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| 22:52.45 | annadane | no clue, not a kde user |
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| 22:55.27 | sponix | Unit193: I know a VM seems heavy for what I'm doing... But my rig is overkill so I am use to using them for a lot of things :) |
| 22:55.31 | how2down | Where can i edit the sudoers file so i can sudo? |
| 22:55.46 | joepublic | visudo |
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| 22:56.31 | how2down | vi sudo? |
| 22:56.32 | sparky4 | nope dose not work |
| 22:56.38 | sparky4 | should i upgrade? |
| 22:56.44 | joepublic | visudo |
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| 22:57.15 | how2down | thats not a command for me if u meant me |
| 22:57.30 | sponix | Unit193: http://sponix.tk/Downloads/20190831rig.jpg |
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| 22:57.39 | joepublic | `/sbin/visudo` |
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| 22:57.57 | sparky4 | my pointer thing dose not work still |
| 22:58.03 | how2down | Ok, thx |
| 22:58.24 | trek00 | how2down: you can also add your user to the sudo group |
| 22:58.50 | how2down | trek00 how? |
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| 22:59.50 | trek00 | how2down: usermod -a -G sudo yourusername |
| 23:00.33 | how2down | usermod isnt a command or do i not understand |
| 23:00.35 | joepublic | dpkg, tell how2down about su |
| 23:00.48 | trek00 | how2down: you need to run it as root |
| 23:01.00 | how2down | oh, ofc lmao |
| 23:01.16 | themill | also just "adduser youruser sudo" |
| 23:01.24 | sparky4 | my pointer is so broken!!! ghaaah |
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| 23:01.57 | trek00 | sparky4: it's too fast? |
| 23:02.05 | sparky4 | it dose not move |
| 23:02.13 | how2down | Ok neither usermod nor adduser work with sudo |
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| 23:02.15 | sparky4 | i did a modprobe of psmouse and it is now detected |
| 23:02.23 | how2down | and visudo is jibberish in kate |
| 23:02.23 | sparky4 | but fails to move |
| 23:02.33 | joepublic | how2down, didn't dpkg just tell you about su? |
| 23:02.49 | how2down | Oh, i didnt notice the channel pop up |
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| 23:03.48 | joepublic | these commands are in /sbin, so they won't be in your path with su unless you `su -` or `su -l` |
| 23:03.53 | how2down | Ok, so basically sudo is su? |
| 23:03.56 | sponix | how2down: umm, sure Sid is right for you? Seems you are struggling with the basics bro |
| 23:04.02 | joepublic | no, sudo is not su. |
| 23:04.15 | how2down | I dont want unstable |
| 23:04.18 | sparky4 | trek00: it is stuck |
| 23:04.38 | trek00 | sparky4: do you reastarted X11? |
| 23:04.43 | how2down | I just want a semi-up-to-date debian with kde, dont hate |
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| 23:04.59 | sponix | annadane: well I put in my request for a virtualization backport to be done... I'll give it a few days, see what I get for a response. And if needed, just do it my damn self :) |
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| 23:05.07 | sparky4 | trek00: oh how? |
| 23:05.31 | trek00 | sparky4: well, may be try to logout and login again |
| 23:05.32 | sparky4 | ./etc/init.d/lightdm restart? |
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| 23:05.35 | sparky4 | ok |
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| 23:06.33 | how2down | Ok, i figured it out, this is comfortable, i just never used root as user outside of sudoing commands, thx |
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| 23:08.26 | sponix | first thing is to install Debian though, I would guess -- doing that now |
| 23:08.48 | sparky4 | trek00: still stuck |
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| 23:09.33 | sparky4 | sigh |
| 23:09.36 | trek00 | sparky4: sorry i don't know how to debug a sticky pointer |
| 23:09.48 | sparky4 | i8t is a mouse pointer device |
| 23:10.48 | trek00 | sparky4: may be unplug an plug again the mouse? |
| 23:11.17 | afidegnum | anyone familiar with samba4 dns settings please? i have an existing remote dns server, how do i configure to match current configurations? |
| 23:11.24 | sparky4 | it is built into the laptop |
| 23:11.29 | sparky4 | i know it works |
| 23:11.36 | sparky4 | it worked in debian 9 |
| 23:11.48 | trek00 | sparky4: sometimes unplug and replug causes events to be processed |
| 23:12.48 | sponix | how2down: https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/add-user-to-sudoers-on-debian/ |
| 23:12.49 | sponix | how2down: if you can't follow the usermod as root there -- you might as well call it a day |
| 23:12.59 | trek00 | sparky4: may be /etc/X11/xorg.conf points to the wrong device? |
| 23:13.05 | sparky4 | lets see |
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| 23:14.44 | ThinkDao | Hi all, there is a way to protect packages from being removed from a system? |
| 23:15.00 | annadane | ThinkDao, apt-mark manual <package> |
| 23:15.03 | trek00 | ThinkDao: you can mark them as manually installed |
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| 23:17.27 | ThinkDao | annadane & trek00 even using that command they are in the list of "packages to be removed" .. no other way ? Or maybe I should just let Debian remove them and then reinstall them again? |
| 23:17.52 | annadane | not sure why, according to my current knowledge that shouldn't be happening |
| 23:17.55 | annadane | maybe someone else knows more |
| 23:17.58 | trek00 | ThinkDao: may be you are installing a package conflicting with those removed? |
| 23:18.15 | annadane | ^ |
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| 23:19.05 | how2down | sponix2ipfw I checked with id, have sudo, but cant sudo- wtf? |
| 23:19.20 | ThinkDao | trek00: Not sure why.. pulseaudio can work without X and mplayer as well. Even ffmpeg can.. while is a pre-compiled packages.. maybe ffmpeg is a X dependecy? |
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| 23:20.01 | trek00 | what package are you installing an what package it removes? |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net to show us |
| 23:20.17 | sparky4 | should i upgrade to debian testing to see if it works? |
| 23:20.26 | sparky4 | i think it is something wrong with the x11 |
| 23:20.31 | ThinkDao | trek00: I am truing to remove all X packages. |
| 23:20.58 | trek00 | sparky4: only if your hardware is really new (less than 1-2 years) |
| 23:21.46 | trek00 | ThinkDao: if you are using aptitude, launch it with -R to disable recommends, it will be simpler |
| 23:22.00 | how2down | sponix I checked with id, have sudo, but cant sudo- wtf? |
| 23:22.25 | trek00 | how2down: try sudo id |
| 23:22.46 | trek00 | how2down: what it prints? |
| 23:22.54 | how2down | same output |
| 23:23.07 | trek00 | how2down: paste it |
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| 23:23.26 | sponix2ipfw | how2down: login as root. Do the usermod command as /sbin/usermod blah blah blah |
| 23:23.31 | how2down | root@mg:~# sudo id mguid=1000(mg) gid=1000(mg) groups=1000(mg),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),112(bluetooth),118(lpadmin) |
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| 23:23.48 | how2down | Literally in sudo |
| 23:23.53 | how2down | group |
| 23:24.05 | trek00 | how2down: why do you want to run sudo when you alreay root? |
| 23:24.13 | sponix2ipfw | sponix2ipfw: exit root. Login to your user. And then use sudo |
| 23:24.27 | how2down | Dont want to root every time i just want to sudo a command |
| 23:24.35 | how2down | As said |
| 23:24.40 | how2down | It doesnt sudo on user |
| 23:24.47 | sponix2ipfw | trek00: because he is full of fail. lol |
| 23:24.54 | trek00 | :) |
| 23:24.54 | sparky4 | trek00: it is from 2014 |
| 23:25.05 | trek00 | how2down: we can't help you without the error messages |
| 23:25.14 | sparky4 | debian 10 has been horrid on my older hardware |
| 23:25.37 | how2down | mg@mg:~$ sudo apt update[sudo] password for mg: mg is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 23:25.50 | trek00 | sparky4: it should run fine, but may be you can rename your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and try again |
| 23:25.55 | ThinkDao | what player is only for audio ? not for video ? |
| 23:26.16 | sponix | how2down: no shit. because you didn't run the proper usermod command as root, then switch to the user |
| 23:26.40 | sparky4 | ok |
| 23:26.53 | how2down | I ran usermod -aG mg from root alrdy |
| 23:26.59 | trek00 | ThinkDao: you can try cmus |
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| 23:27.17 | sponix | how2down: umm that isn't the correct command bro |
| 23:27.26 | hemimaniac | ThinkDao: rhythmbox,clementine |
| 23:27.47 | sponix | how2down: usermod -aG sudo mg |
| 23:27.49 | how2down | usermod -aG sudo mg, yesyes |
| 23:28.04 | sponix | how2down: did that run without issues ? |
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| 23:28.14 | ThinkDao | hemimaniac: those use X .. why pulseaudio have X libraries as dependency ? :o |
| 23:28.22 | joepublic | then ... this bit is important ... next time (not this time) you log in as your user, you have sudo access |
| 23:28.30 | how2down | Yes, and i checked with id that im in the sudo group |
| 23:28.32 | trek00 | ThinkDao: pulseaudio is evil :) |
| 23:28.36 | how2down | And it wont sudo :) |
| 23:28.45 | trek00 | how2down: what error message? |
| 23:29.01 | joepublic | how2down ... this bit is important ... next time (not this time) you log in as your user, you have sudo access |
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| 23:29.07 | how2down | No error message, as posted, just not in the suoers file |
| 23:29.18 | sponix | how2down: reboot the rig, then it will work :) |
| 23:29.26 | how2down | Thank for not being condescending after i told u the same shit the 2nd time :) |
| 23:29.43 | how2down | Ill go reboot :) |
| 23:29.49 | sponix | joepublic: Yeah, he hasn't fully logged out and back in.. just telling him "reboot" is easier though |
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| 23:30.00 | sponix | how2down: good, then I'll try to quit giving you shit |
| 23:30.01 | oldborow | hi everyone |
| 23:30.15 | oldborow | F |
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| 23:30.35 | joepublic | telling someone to "reboot" for something other than a new kernel is a little bit evil. But I see your point in this instance and did not even feel the least bit tempted to argue. |
| 23:30.46 | oldborow | i just want to test this irc technology |
| 23:31.06 | ThinkDao | WOW .. removing mplayer + ffmpeg made Debian remove dhcp ( Debian is EVIL ) |
| 23:31.31 | trek00 | oldborow: you can write and we all read :) |
| 23:31.36 | sponix | joepublic: I know its all kinds of wrong.. But at this point, did I really care ? lol |
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| 23:32.06 | ThinkDao | then I need to set a static IP to connect againt and update this system or I should just don't use DEbian at all ? |
| 23:32.09 | ThinkDao | :D |
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| 23:32.30 | how2down | Now it works :) |
| 23:32.31 | trek00 | ThinkDao: it's really weird |
| 23:32.37 | ThinkDao | true |
| 23:32.45 | joepublic | you have the steps reversed, imo. first, stop using debian if it conflicts with your deeply held convictions, then do whatever else |
| 23:32.47 | ThinkDao | but now I have no dhcp |
| 23:32.50 | trek00 | ThinkDao: i have many systems with dhcp and without mplayer or ffmpeg |
| 23:33.10 | how2down | Thank you trek00 :) |
| 23:33.24 | abrotman | ThinkDao: have you put any of this in a pastebin for us to review? |
| 23:33.26 | oldborow | Think Dao lol this is weird I've never encountered this |
| 23:33.28 | trek00 | how2down: me? :) |
| 23:33.39 | sponix | how2down: your welcome |
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| 23:33.48 | how2down | *youre |
| 23:33.58 | ThinkDao | abrotman: not at all and now I can't.. I am disconnected from that machine to internet |
| 23:34.06 | sponix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.18 | how2down | LMAO |
| 23:34.20 | ThinkDao | in any case, Debian have wgetpaste package? |
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| 23:34.40 | ThinkDao | or similar.. I don't know |
| 23:34.59 | annadane | i see people mess up your and you're all the time and it's terrible, there isn't even 3 of them like there their and they're |
| 23:35.23 | Unit193 | ThinkDao: pastebinit, or termbin. |
| 23:35.45 | how2down | Illiteracy is a global problem |
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| 23:38.04 | joepublic | GNU/Linux illiteracy is a global problem |
| 23:38.14 | joepublic | ftfy |
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| 23:38.39 | oldborow | guys do you know about kolibri os?? |
| 23:38.48 | abrotman | oldborow: hi, this is #debian |
| 23:39.02 | oldborow | i know |
| 23:39.39 | oldborow | but this is a live chat where I can ask questions |
| 23:39.45 | oldborow | i think |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | so is #kolibri |
| 23:39.51 | how2down | Sir, This Is an Arby's |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | and no, we only support Debian here |
| 23:39.57 | oldborow | ok |
| 23:40.14 | tsarompy | oldborow: theres #debian-offtopic too :P |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | no |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | that's not a support channel |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | wtf is wrong with you |
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| 23:40.45 | tsarompy | no need to be rude |
| 23:41.05 | tsarompy | i think they said that in reference to this -> [18:38] <joepublic> GNU/Linux illiteracy is a global problem |
| 23:41.12 | tsarompy | shrug |
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| 23:41.13 | oldborow | where i can find popular offtop chates?? |
| 23:41.22 | abrotman | See the topic in #debian-offtopic .. it's clearly not a support channel |
| 23:41.31 | tsarompy | did i say 'go there for support' |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:42.22 | abrotman | oldborow: if you want random chat, you can try ##chat also |
| 23:43.14 | oldborow | "Cannot send to nick/channel" what this error means?? |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | it means you probably have to register |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | oldborow: /msg nickserv help (or see #freenode) |
| 23:43.50 | ThinkDao | I forget how to setup a static IP.. I did reboot and yes, dhcliet was removed and dhcpcd as well.. lets see if with a static IP I can solve this problem. |
| 23:45.02 | sponix | ThinkDao: it is possible with Debian itself, and that is covered in the wiki -- BUT, I just do a static lease at my router for my rigs. Lets them stay simple with dhcp, while still always getting the same address |
| 23:45.08 | sponix | just a thought |
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| 23:45.47 | ratrace | ThinkDao: first example in this chapter https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
| 23:47.04 | ThinkDao | sponix: a lot of things did change.. I see.. I need to edit a file to setup .. the old way doesn't work anymore? |
| 23:47.30 | ratrace | "old way"? |
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| 23:48.11 | ThinkDao | ifconfig ratrace: like > ifconfig 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 ( for example ) |
| 23:48.14 | sponix | ThinkDao: Yes, things have changed |
| 23:48.37 | ThinkDao | doesn't work :( |
| 23:49.51 | ratrace | ThinkDao: you have to install ifconfig. it's superseded by iproute/ip |
| 23:50.12 | ratrace | but really, don't use it any more. learn iproute, and use the interfaces(5) framework |
| 23:50.23 | ThinkDao | ratrace: yeah, I have ifconfig but not ip (command ) |
| 23:50.41 | ThinkDao | checking |
| 23:50.42 | ratrace | ThinkDao: which debian? |
| 23:51.29 | ThinkDao | ratrace: is pretty new.. kernel 4.19.98 |
| 23:51.42 | trek00 | ThinkDao: you should write: ifconfig eth0 192.168.10.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:52.09 | ratrace | ThinkDao: if that's buster, then you must have ip, and not ifconfig |
| 23:52.11 | ThinkDao | trek00: yeah, but it doesn't assume to ip for the lan |
| 23:52.26 | ThinkDao | the ip* |
| 23:52.35 | sponix | ThinkDao: run: uname -a |
| 23:52.39 | sponix | Linux sponix 5.4.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.4.19-1~mx19+1 (2020-02-15) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:52.52 | sponix | hmm that isn't the one |
| 23:52.59 | ratrace | mx? MX?! MX?!?!?! get out! |
| 23:53.07 | trek00 | :D |
| 23:53.20 | sponix | ThinkDao: I meant run: inxi -S |
| 23:53.30 | sponix | ThinkDao: that should tell you what Debian version you are on |
| 23:53.49 | ThinkDao | sponix: inxi ( command not found ) |
| 23:54.02 | sponix | ThinkDao: well then "apt install inxi" |
| 23:54.07 | ratrace | ThinkDao: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:54.08 | ThinkDao | no ip .. |
| 23:54.10 | lwp | !mxlinux |
| 23:54.10 | dpkg | MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/. If you are new to linux, try using Debian instead: http://www.debian.org and see <why debian> -- that means you can type in this channel: !why debian |
| 23:54.13 | ThinkDao | no connection |
| 23:54.14 | sponix | if inxi isn't found, we know its pretty old |
| 23:54.16 | ThinkDao | no updates |
| 23:54.19 | ThinkDao | no installs |
| 23:54.33 | ratrace | sponix: stop confusing them with non-debian stuff |
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| 23:54.35 | sponix | lol forgot, you networking is broken. apt will not install anything |
| 23:54.49 | annadane | ThinkDao, just give the output of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:55.06 | ThinkDao | annadane: 10.3 |
| 23:55.11 | sparky4 | ok the mouse buttons work no |
| 23:55.15 | sparky4 | ok the mouse buttons work now** |
| 23:55.29 | sparky4 | but the pointer still is stuck |
| 23:55.59 | sponix | ThinkDao: is this a fresh install, or an upgrade from Jessie ? |
| 23:56.40 | ratrace | ThinkDao: you can use commands, but if you want your config to persist on boot, use the interfaces(5) framework, namely the /etc/network/interaces file, see the link I gave you earlier |
| 23:57.28 | ThinkDao | sponix: a "fresh install" .. lets assume that.. is a slow machine I did install X and I remove all X stuff to clean it out, while cleaning remove some important packages I believe |
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| 23:58.01 | sponix | !why debian |
| 23:58.01 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 23:58.07 | ThinkDao | ratrace: I will check that |
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| 23:59.02 | oldborow | by the way guys what GUI do you use in your debian systems |
| 23:59.14 | sponix | oldborow: xfce |
| 23:59.20 | ratrace | i3-wm |
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| 23:59.31 | sponix | oldborow: with X from xorg pretty sure (not wayland) |
| 23:59.56 | annadane | oldborow, xfce, but, try not to ask general questions when people are asking support questions |
