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| 00:18.50 | acidtripper | ---------------- /etc/shadow, have that perms in file being root |
| 00:18.58 | acidtripper | any idea to change? cant do chmod 600 on the file |
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| 00:21.07 | dvs | acidtripper, why would you want to do that? That file belongs to the shadow group. |
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| 00:33.10 | acidtripper | because cant change password |
| 00:33.12 | acidtripper | of a user |
| 00:34.40 | dvs | root can |
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| 00:40.21 | gandhijee | hello, can one point me to docs on how to setup the erlang tftp server? i figure i might as well use that tftp package instead of installing yet another |
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| 00:44.27 | acidtripper | heheh root cant man |
| 00:44.29 | acidtripper | that's the isse |
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| 00:46.06 | zumba_addict | what parameter do we use with `apt-cache search` so that it will also show the available versions of the package we are searching? |
| 00:47.13 | sney | zumba_addict: ' |
| 00:47.20 | sney | zumba_addict: 'apt search' does that by default |
| 00:47.32 | zumba_addict | I just found 2 ways 1) apt-cache show package and 2) apt-cache policy package |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | acidtripper: can't do what? |
| 00:47.44 | zumba_addict | sney, it doesn't show the version |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | acidtripper: what are you actually trying to do, and why are you trying to edit that file directly? |
| 00:48.32 | sney | zumba_addict: apt, not apt-cache |
| 00:48.45 | zumba_addict | oh, i didn't know they're different |
| 00:48.50 | zumba_addict | thanks |
| 00:49.01 | acidtripper | abrotman, can change password with passwd |
| 00:49.01 | acidtripper | as root |
| 00:49.06 | acidtripper | getting token auth error |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | acidtripper: for another user? |
| 00:49.14 | zumba_addict | yey, it worked |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | acidtripper: ls -l /etc/shadow |
| 00:49.35 | zumba_addict | does that mean it's ideal to use apt rather than apt-cache for searching? |
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| 00:50.28 | zumba_addict | Another question. If I want to install a specific version, am I right I can run it this way, `apt-get install package=1.10.17` |
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| 00:51.21 | sney | apt accepts that syntax, but usually there's only one version of a package available unless you're doing something unwise |
| 00:52.07 | zumba_addict | apt-cache show package showed tons of different versions we can install. However, we will only install the version that was recommnended to us |
| 00:52.23 | zumba_addict | it's just a patch |
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| 00:52.43 | zumba_addict | we're currently on 6.17.0 and vendor said to install 6.17.1 |
| 00:53.05 | dob1 | just to be sure, setting the default timezone, and setting an ntpd service is indipendent to where the server is, right? |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | yes? |
| 00:53.35 | WoC_ | how would i enable more current kernel versions ? I'm in buster, but apt-cache is only showing 4.19.x ? |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell WoC_ about backports |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 00:53.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.4.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae |
| 00:53.51 | judd | (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
| 00:54.19 | dob1 | abrotman you were answering me? |
| 00:54.41 | abrotman | yes? :) |
| 00:54.44 | zumba_addict | Another question. Am I right that I don't have to run any command after updating a .list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d? |
| 00:54.59 | WoC_ | apt update |
| 00:54.59 | apt | i guess update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 00:55.07 | abrotman | zumba_addict: apt update or apt-get update or aptitude update .. whatever you're using |
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| 00:55.13 | zumba_addict | oh got it |
| 00:55.28 | zumba_addict | can we run apt update to only for that .list we updated? |
| 00:55.35 | WoC_ | abrotman: do i need to enable some other repo for that ? |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | WoC_: see what the bot told you |
| 00:56.02 | dob1 | abrotman there is no in ntp something related to a geolocation or similar, this is my doubt |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | dob1: ntp wants to know which servers you want to query .. that's about it |
| 00:56.54 | WoC_ | oh, so enable buster-backports somehow... |
| 00:57.07 | dob1 | thanks |
| 00:57.08 | abrotman | there are instructions at backports.debian.org |
| 00:57.14 | WoC_ | ty |
| 00:59.38 | zumba_addict | I guess before i run, let me tell you what I'm trying to do. Looks like someone installed a package version for Stretch on our Jessie server. When we are upgrading the package, we get a warning. It's because the .list vendor file points to jessie. Someone last week here told me to try changing jessie to stretch in the .list file. What I'd like to do is execute `apt-get install --dry-run artifactory` t |
| 00:59.38 | zumba_addict | o check if I will still see a warning. However, now that I will need to run apt update, I'm kinda worried that it will pull Stretch for that package. What will happen if I restore the .list file back to jessie and execute apt update again? |
| 01:00.31 | sney | !frankendebian |
| 01:00.31 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 01:01.01 | zumba_addict | It's only that one package |
| 01:01.17 | zumba_addict | everything else is still jessie base |
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| 01:01.51 | zumba_addict | but i know it's not good. We're thinking of upgrading to Stretch since Jessie will be EOL on June 30 |
| 01:01.58 | sney | it would be wiser to run stretch anyway, since jessie is oldoldstable now, yeah |
| 01:02.28 | zumba_addict | i'll add a repo list in my virtualbox and see what will happen |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | zumba_addict: which package? |
| 01:02.32 | sney | if "only that one package" doesn't bring a load of conflicting dependencies with it, then you will probably survive, but this is not a supported configuration at all |
| 01:02.34 | zumba_addict | artifactory |
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| 01:02.59 | zumba_addict | i have a debian 8 on my vm, I'll try it |
| 01:03.10 | WoC_ | is there a tool to upgrade from buster to sid ? |
| 01:03.19 | dvs | nope |
| 01:03.28 | zumba_addict | this is what is in the .list file - deb https://jfrog.bintray.com/artifactory-pro-debs jessie main |
| 01:03.28 | sney | WoC_: if you have to ask, you're not prepared to use unstable |
| 01:03.34 | annadane | a "tool"? no. also, consider if you do actually want sid, which can break and isn't as easy to maintain as stable |
| 01:03.37 | zumba_addict | i'll try that first in my own vm |
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| 01:04.04 | WoC_ | noticed sid has a more current kernel and i still haven't figured out how to handle the backports |
| 01:04.07 | zumba_addict | does filename of .list matter? |
| 01:04.32 | sney | zumba_addict: nope |
| 01:04.37 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | WoC_: did you read the instrucdtions at backports.org ? |
| 01:04.48 | abrotman | erm .. backports.debian.org |
| 01:04.50 | annadane | WoC_, just put deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main (or contrib non-free if you want) in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt update, apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 (if your arch is amd64) |
| 01:04.57 | annadane | also yeah; there's instructions |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | way to spoonfeed .. jeez |
| 01:05.13 | zumba_addict | this is weird, the filename is jfrog-artifactory-pro.list.list |
| 01:05.23 | WoC_ | ty |
| 01:05.31 | zumba_addict | i guess the previous server admin didnt notice he typed it twice |
| 01:05.41 | zumba_addict | but since filename doesn't matter, it will work |
| 01:06.06 | WoC_ | annadane, thats exactly what i was looking for |
| 01:06.19 | WoC_ | ty ty |
| 01:08.33 | annadane | sorry for spoonfeeding, i guess |
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| 01:09.27 | zumba_addict | can't get apt update to work. It's saying GPG error: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available. Maybe I need to install public key first |
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| 01:15.32 | zumba_addict | looks like it's not possible for my vm to download from jfrog since it requires a signature |
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| 01:17.19 | dvs | -_- |
| 01:17.37 | dvs | JFrog tells you right on their download page how to get the kye |
| 01:17.44 | dvs | key |
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| 01:18.09 | zumba_addict | got it |
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| 01:20.26 | zumba_addict | USER_NAME and API_KEY are optional parameters and are only needed when you are doing an authenticated download |
| 01:20.35 | zumba_addict | I got it from - https://www.jfrog.com/confluence/display/BT/Download+Using+APIs |
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| 01:27.05 | zumba_addict | I fixed it by running apt-key |
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| 01:30.36 | dvs | Just like the instructions say |
| 01:32.10 | zumba_addict | I didn't see the instruction from their site. I think I saw it in stackoverflow |
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| 01:42.39 | ZaZaGX | hello |
| 01:43.00 | sney | hi |
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| 01:55.54 | zumba_addict | when we execute apt update, which files in the file system gets updated? |
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| 01:56.51 | sney | mainly the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 01:57.12 | zumba_addict | thank you |
| 01:57.51 | ZaZaGX | is 2GB of RAM and 20GB of harddrive space enough for an debian 10 gnome system requirement? |
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| 01:58.15 | sney | it would run but I think that's not enough ram for it to run well |
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| 01:58.39 | sney | xfce/lxde/lxqt would do better with 2GB |
| 01:59.26 | ZaZaGX | hmm |
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| 02:00.42 | annadane | gnome is probably the most bloated of desktops in debian stable from what i gather, it's supposed to be better in newer versions but in stable those improvements have not arrived yet |
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| 02:01.20 | ZaZaGX | i am just going to use it for VM |
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| 02:01.49 | ZaZaGX | it looks like my school wants to add this extention on chrome. i believe it will spy on me for taking a test |
| 02:01.50 | zumba_addict | xfce is fast |
| 02:01.58 | annadane | doesn't know if cinnamon comes close in terms of bloat-ness |
| 02:02.06 | annadane | and yeah i basically always prefer xfce, but you do you |
| 02:02.32 | Unit193 | Could just use openbox or some window manager, depending on what you need the VM for. |
| 02:02.34 | ZaZaGX | how about just using a chromium web browser only? |
| 02:02.42 | sney | at idle, no desktop environment uses more than about ~600MB, but then you add a browser, and libreoffice, and it runs up pretty quickly |
| 02:02.57 | DarkiJah | CRUNCHBANG++ |
| 02:03.15 | crn | i'm trying to make a 3.7 terabyte ext3 file system on a usb hard drive. it's proceding very slowly. is this going to work? |
| 02:03.22 | sney | yeah you can just launch a browser with xinit haha I did that with some kiosks a while back |
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| 02:03.42 | sney | crn: usb is pretty slow, I'd say that's normal |
| 02:04.08 | crn | sney, thanks. |
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| 02:04.16 | sney | unless it's native usb 3.0 at both ends in which case there might be a problem with the disk |
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| 02:05.21 | crn | sney, it is usb 3. |
| 02:05.43 | zumba_addict | sney: i played with my .list file and watched the /var/lib/apt/lists. You're correct. It updated the files. It does say jessie or stretch in the filename |
| 02:06.39 | zumba_addict | it looks like the file contains md5 sha |
| 02:06.46 | zumba_addict | md5sum rather |
| 02:06.49 | zumba_addict | oh it does |
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| 02:07.50 | zumba_addict | so apt update just updates the list. However, apt upgrade will upgrade all the libraries. Correct? |
| 02:08.04 | sney | packages, not libraries |
| 02:08.16 | zumba_addict | oh, got it |
| 02:08.25 | sney | and yes, though apt full-upgrade would also be needed in order to upgrade from jessie to stretch |
| 02:08.47 | zumba_addict | cool |
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| 02:09.39 | crn | sney, it is a gpt partition table to accept the size. i don't know why fdisk had me pick that. |
| 02:10.50 | sney | gpt is required for disks >2TB iirc |
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| 02:12.02 | zumba_addict | oh wow, even if I pointed the jfrog.list to stretch, I still got this output |
| 02:12.57 | crn | sney, thanks |
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| 02:16.04 | zumba_addict | this - https://bpaste.net/RVHQ |
| 02:16.20 | joker5bb | hello |
| 02:16.43 | joker5bb | i need some help using apt |
| 02:16.59 | annadane | okay, ask away |
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| 02:17.09 | sponix | I used apt one time |
| 02:17.22 | joker5bb | i am runing kali |
| 02:17.25 | annadane | !kali |
| 02:17.26 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
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| 02:17.39 | sponix | joker5bb: you had to go and screw up a good thing right off aye ? |
| 02:17.44 | annadane | puts trigger finger away as smoke billows off of it |
| 02:17.50 | joker5bb | just wait |
| 02:18.00 | joker5bb | its package related |
| 02:18.09 | sponix | joker5bb: run some real Debian, learn the basics -- then do your Kali for whatever its good for |
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| 02:19.16 | joker5bb | i think they broke it |
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| 02:19.25 | joker5bb | i am an experienced user |
| 02:19.44 | sney | and yet here you are in the wrong irc channel |
| 02:19.46 | sney | !kali-magic |
| 02:19.46 | dpkg | Kali Linux is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net. See also <based on debian> and <they don't know>. |
| 02:20.08 | sponix | annadane: I'm willing to hear the issue if you are.... |
| 02:20.58 | joker5bb | so my source are correct |
| 02:21.07 | annadane | joker5bb, please, please go ask the kali people |
| 02:21.23 | annadane | also, if you can't figure stuff out like dependencies, don't run kali |
| 02:21.42 | annadane | (i'm assuming it's dependencies) |
| 02:21.49 | annadane | still, we're the wrong channel |
| 02:22.01 | annadane | !based on debian |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:22.30 | annadane | if the question is general enough i may have taken a stab at it but really, kali questions especially have no relevancy here |
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| 02:22.39 | joker5bb | sudo apt-get install sdl2 libsdl2-2.0-0 libsdl2-dev |
| 02:22.51 | joker5bb | E: Unable to locate package sdl2 |
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| 02:23.14 | annadane | why are you still asking? |
| 02:23.14 | zumba_addict | what apt param to show all the dependencies of a package? |
| 02:23.28 | zumba_addict | depends? |
| 02:23.31 | annadane | i believe it's apt rdepends |
| 02:23.45 | zumba_addict | that's the reverse but i'll try |
| 02:23.48 | joker5bb | v |
| 02:23.58 | annadane | if it's not rdepends then it's depends but i think it's rdepends |
| 02:24.07 | annadane | it's probably just apt depends |
| 02:24.10 | annadane | i get the wording mixed up |
| 02:24.27 | zumba_addict | it didn't work, it just showed itself |
| 02:24.34 | joker5bb | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:24.39 | zumba_addict | ah depends did it |
| 02:24.45 | joker5bb | deb http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main non-free contrib |
| 02:24.55 | annadane | joker5bb, stop. please. please. please. no. stop. please. |
| 02:24.57 | annadane | *plonk* |
| 02:25.09 | annadane | go use a real linux like debian |
| 02:25.14 | joker5bb | please hear me out i only get one hit |
| 02:25.21 | joker5bb | on apt update |
| 02:25.38 | joker5bb | my vm machine works fine |
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| 02:26.49 | sponix | joker5bb: yeah... that seems to be a Kali specific problem. seek help in their spots |
| 02:26.52 | annadane | ask the kali people who actually know how kali works. or ##linux |
| 02:26.57 | sponix | good chat though |
| 02:27.06 | joker5bb | ok |
| 02:27.20 | joker5bb | what is latest kernel on debian |
| 02:27.27 | annadane | 4.19 something |
| 02:28.07 | sponix | 5.4.18 if you go backports for Buster |
| 02:28.22 | sponix | think the 4.19. is like .98 or 89 or something now |
| 02:28.57 | ZaZaGX | oh no, he left |
| 02:29.51 | annadane | i think the 4.19.0-8 is debian version numbers or something whereas the .98 or .89 or whatever is upstream kernel version numbers but i think i've said that before and gotten yelled at. i'm not certain |
| 02:29.53 | sponix | ZaZaGX: terrible loss |
| 02:30.12 | ZaZaGX | is kali linux not stable? |
| 02:30.45 | sponix | annadane: yeah, my laptop is still on -6 saying 4.19.67 or something... but I only update it about once ever couple of months |
| 02:31.10 | annadane | it's not meant to be used as a desktop and a lot of people use it because they want to be hackers and think it's cool, and they do so before they know anything about how linux/unix works, and it's a specialty distro for pentesters, and especially when people come to #debian asking questions about it it means by definition that they don't know a lot |
| 02:31.32 | ZaZaGX | actually, kali linux update broke the wifi. couldn't connect to the wifi ever again. |
| 02:31.47 | zumba_addict | this is safe right? apt remove -s libpq5 |
| 02:31.55 | ZaZaGX | oh ok |
| 02:31.55 | annadane | Linux debian 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1 (2020-01-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:32.02 | annadane | yes, -s is simulate |
| 02:32.06 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:32.32 | zumba_addict | it's weird, I don't see it in man apt |
| 02:32.45 | annadane | at least parrotsec is apparently at least also meant to be used as a desktop, not that i recommend that either |
| 02:32.55 | annadane | it's probably in man apt-get |
| 02:33.01 | annadane | even though it also applies to apt |
| 02:33.13 | zumba_addict | i see it now :) thank you |
| 02:33.32 | zumba_addict | that's confusing. How does it know it will use apt-get |
| 02:33.35 | ZaZaGX | you guys must get a lot of mr. robot wannabes |
| 02:33.48 | annadane | it doesn't, i think someone just did the man pages lazily |
| 02:33.56 | annadane | most people understand the options to be the same for apt and apt-get |
| 02:34.04 | annadane | i don't know any offhand that are specific to one and not the other |
| 02:34.16 | zumba_addict | looks like `apt remove --dry-run libpq5` will also work |
| 02:34.24 | annadane | but that's more typing!!! |
| 02:34.25 | sponix | annadane: so I guessed correct.. sweet :) |
| 02:34.40 | zumba_addict | I took this from manpage `-s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act` |
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| 02:36.06 | annadane | there are differences between apt and apt-get but i'm pretty sure 99% of functionality is the same including the options |
| 02:36.14 | annadane | options meaning things like - and -- |
| 02:36.36 | annadane | the reference manual has a section on it in any case |
| 02:37.12 | zumba_addict | is the output expected? https://bpaste.net/DQIA |
| 02:37.17 | zumba_addict | got it |
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| 02:38.22 | zumba_addict | more complete - https://bpaste.net/J72Q looks like something might go wrong if uninstalling postgres-client |
| 02:39.21 | annadane | !bat |
| 02:39.21 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 02:40.07 | zumba_addict | step 1 is confusing |
| 02:40.50 | ectospasm | How is that confusing, zumba_addict? |
| 02:40.52 | zumba_addict | do I run `apt-get run`? |
| 02:40.59 | dvs | ... |
| 02:41.01 | ectospasm | zumba_addict: No |
| 02:41.22 | zumba_addict | oh, the whole apt command i executed like in my paste |
| 02:41.29 | zumba_addict | but then i am missing step 2 |
| 02:41.34 | annadane | and 3 |
| 02:41.42 | ectospasm | `apt install ...` is the command you use, everything after that is its output. |
| 02:41.56 | zumba_addict | i didn't run `apt install` |
| 02:42.08 | zumba_addict | i'm doing a dry run of apt remove |
| 02:42.09 | ectospasm | zumba_addict: Or whatever command you're trying to use. |
| 02:42.11 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 02:42.12 | annadane | you already did step 1 |
| 02:42.20 | zumba_addict | is apt-cache policy safe? |
| 02:42.22 | annadane | if you combine the 3 steps in one paste though it would be nice |
| 02:42.22 | annadane | yes |
| 02:42.30 | zumba_addict | cool, will do |
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| 02:43.05 | annadane | uses aptitude to solve every dependency problem but not everyone is a fan of that |
| 02:43.44 | annadane | (no, don't start using it for your problem) |
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| 02:45.11 | sponix | annadane: most recommend Synaptic for dep and broken issues. But I for sure have had times that didn't do it for me |
| 02:46.55 | annadane | well, you have to understand what to do, it's not just about what tool you use |
| 02:47.21 | annadane | i have a hard time recommending aptitude because everyone just presses Y and lets aptitude solve the issue, which removes half your system |
| 02:47.28 | annadane | aptitude is great a cross-reference tool, though |
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| 02:47.55 | zumba_addict | almost done |
| 02:48.03 | annadane | aptitude is also more relevant in sid, most stable users won't need it |
| 02:48.05 | ectospasm | it's aptitude that taught me -y is evil. |
| 02:48.08 | sponix | annadane: will if it requires skill, thought, and understanding -- I'm out lol |
| 02:48.27 | zumba_addict | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5fbc7e9f/ |
| 02:48.47 | annadane | zumba_addict, and apt-cache policy |
| 02:48.49 | annadane | by itself |
| 02:48.53 | zumba_addict | k |
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| 02:50.20 | annadane | i see deb8 and deb9 mixed in there |
| 02:50.28 | zumba_addict | updated - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2ae04c27/ |
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| 02:50.43 | zumba_addict | which line? |
| 02:50.50 | awal1 | i can i estimate the size of a really long youtube playlist with youtube-dl (or another pkg , if there is one) ? |
| 02:51.10 | zumba_addict | it's really ok to uninstall postgres-client |
| 02:51.18 | annadane | ,v libgssapi-krb5-2 |
| 02:51.19 | judd | Package: libgssapi-krb5-2 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1.12.1+dfsg-19+deb8u5; stretch: 1.15-1+deb9u1; buster: 1.17-3; bullseye: 1.17-7; sid: 1.17-7 |
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| 02:51.35 | annadane | that package you have installed from debian 8 but you're using debian 9 |
| 02:51.50 | annadane | er no, sorry |
| 02:51.52 | zumba_addict | this is on jessie |
| 02:52.12 | zumba_addict | looks like postgres deb for stretch got downloaded and installed |
| 02:52.21 | annadane | that package is from debian 8 and you're using debian 8 but you have a bunch of packages installed from debian 9 |
| 02:52.22 | annadane | yep |
| 02:52.27 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:52.42 | zumba_addict | what's the safest way to uninstall postgres-client? |
| 02:52.51 | annadane | awal1, may want to try ##linux |
| 02:52.57 | annadane | zumba_addict, let me look at this |
| 02:53.03 | zumba_addict | thank you so much! |
| 02:53.21 | awal1 | annadane, ;) |
| 02:53.22 | Gryllida | annadane, awal1: or #youtube-dl |
| 02:53.55 | awal1 | i don't knew that there is a youtube-dl dedicated channel |
| 02:54.03 | annadane | btw just in general, do consider at least moving off debian 8, current stable is debian 10 (if you upgrade to 10 you have to go through 9 first, or just back up your stuff and install 10 fresh if that's what you want to do), jessie is essentially obsolete |
| 02:54.22 | zumba_addict | will do |
| 02:54.56 | zumba_addict | i remember deb8 eol is on june 30 |
| 02:55.27 | annadane | well sort of. deb 8 is in long term support right now which is more server-side packages, not everything |
| 02:55.32 | annadane | anyway... |
| 02:55.44 | annadane | it does say to try apt-get -f install, does that help any? |
| 02:55.49 | annadane | that would be a preliminary step |
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| 02:56.09 | zumba_addict | I can't do it now which is why i've been doing --dry-run and -s |
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| 02:56.26 | zumba_addict | I'll have to create ticket and notification to inform other teams |
| 02:56.56 | zumba_addict | how come I ran apt remove but suggestion in the output was apt-get install? |
| 02:57.37 | annadane | because something in the dependency chain wants it |
| 02:57.51 | zumba_addict | would that mean i should run `apt remove -f package`? |
| 02:57.52 | gh00p | How do I get `lsof -i` to report port numbers instead of the service names mapped from /etc/services? The `-n` option handles hostnames, but apparently not services. |
| 02:58.12 | annadane | zumba_addict, i'm not sure. i'm trying to figure out where to go from here |
| 02:58.14 | zumba_addict | lsof -P -a -n -iTCP -sTCP:LISTEN |
| 02:58.38 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:58.48 | zumba_addict | gh00p: that's just directly from my brain |
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| 02:59.23 | gh00p | zumba_addict: thanks, it was `-P` that I was looking for. |
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| 02:59.28 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 02:59.54 | annadane | tell me if this makes sense, i think an idea is to remove libgssapi-krb5-2 and then try removing postgresql-client |
| 03:00.09 | zumba_addict | let me see the rdepends on that |
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| 03:00.35 | zumba_addict | oh wow, there's a lot |
| 03:01.21 | zumba_addict | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cb716e0e/ |
| 03:01.53 | annadane | if you remove the package, or simulate it or whatever, does it threaten to remove half the system? |
| 03:02.05 | annadane | i suspect that may be the weak link in the chain of the inability to remove postgresql |
| 03:02.09 | zumba_addict | libpq5 is only postgres-client |
| 03:02.21 | zumba_addict | let me try |
| 03:03.32 | zumba_addict | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/900898fc/ |
| 03:03.48 | annadane | okay, so scratch that |
| 03:04.00 | zumba_addict | I guess, I won't install artifactory anymore. We'll just use latest Debian |
| 03:04.22 | annadane | i'm sure i'm just missing something here; still trying to figure this out |
| 03:04.25 | zumba_addict | oh ok |
| 03:04.29 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 03:04.37 | annadane | ,v libssl1.1 |
| 03:04.38 | judd | Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; bullseye: 1.1.1d-2; sid: 1.1.1e-1 |
| 03:05.12 | annadane | bleh |
| 03:05.43 | annadane | anyone else? :p |
| 03:06.36 | annadane | oh right i do see you have a 3rd party repo |
| 03:06.43 | annadane | i missed that the first time |
| 03:07.32 | annadane | i'm sorry, i don't know. there's a few different possibilities i can think of but essentially, i'm lost |
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| 03:07.39 | zumba_addict | no worries |
| 03:07.43 | zumba_addict | i learned a lot today :) |
| 03:07.55 | zumba_addict | thanks a lot ;) |
| 03:08.20 | zumba_addict | i really think force removal of postgres-client will be fine |
| 03:08.33 | annadane | yeah, you can try |
| 03:08.40 | zumba_addict | i used to do it back in redhat/fedora days |
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| 03:08.49 | zumba_addict | would it be apt remove -f? |
| 03:08.55 | sponix | sney: I see my stuff posted to the backports mailing list this time :) |
| 03:09.11 | sponix | annadane: well, guess it is just a wait now to see if anyone answers my call |
| 03:09.26 | annadane | i thought you said you couldn't use -f |
| 03:09.34 | zumba_addict | not tonight |
| 03:09.44 | zumba_addict | I need to create a ticket first |
| 03:09.47 | annadane | in future i guess you could try it then, yeah |
| 03:09.50 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 03:10.04 | sponix | good luck playing with libssl .. I blew up my rig that way one time |
| 03:10.18 | zumba_addict | oh no, now you scared me |
| 03:10.48 | annadane | if you did want to try installing aptitude and tried to remove postgresql-client (DO NOT PRESS Y) it might give me a clearer visualization of what has to happen, but that's just me, i'm more comfortable with that and it'd be going out of the way purely for my benefit whereas there are smarter people here who can probably solve it more simply |
| 03:11.08 | sponix | well just consider it a warning. I was attempting to run different versions in like /usr/local/lib and so forth to support compiling some apps from source outside of the package chain |
| 03:11.25 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 03:11.33 | annadane | i guess my question would be, do you happen to know what got installed from that 3rd party repo |
| 03:11.37 | annadane | i'm not sure how to check |
| 03:11.44 | zumba_addict | is aptitude a gui tool? if so, there's no gui on this server |
| 03:11.50 | annadane | it's ncurses |
| 03:11.53 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:11.55 | annadane | so no, not really |
| 03:12.12 | sponix | oh, I might be able to help with that.. wait one |
| 03:12.15 | zumba_addict | not sure about 3rd party packages |
| 03:12.47 | annadane | the https://jfrog.bintray.com/artifactory-pro-debs/ one |
| 03:13.14 | sponix | annadane: could he take this string from the backports FAQ and mod it to list all stuff from another specific repo ? https://backports.debian.org/FAQ/ |
| 03:13.17 | zumba_addict | the .list file is dated 2017 and has not been updated |
| 03:13.30 | sponix | annadane: strings are toward the bottom of that page to specifically list all backports installed |
| 03:14.01 | sponix | annadane: Damn, I almost recommended ppa-purge... Don't kick me :P |
| 03:14.15 | annadane | the thing with backports is that i'm not sure i see bpo in any of the packages in zumba's paste.debian.net links |
| 03:14.22 | annadane | unless i'm just being dense |
| 03:14.49 | sponix | aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F '%100p' |
| 03:14.54 | sponix | I was looking to mod that line actually |
| 03:15.00 | sponix | make the "origin" different |
| 03:15.16 | sponix | am I onto something... or no ? |
| 03:15.26 | annadane | probably |
| 03:15.35 | annadane | i'm as lost as you |
| 03:15.43 | sponix | annadane: I'll try it on some of my mutt MX packages :) |
| 03:16.02 | zumba_addict | i'm confused with the output - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/5cfcad2a/ |
| 03:16.36 | sponix | annadane: yep, this list everything I have installed from the MX repo --> aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(MX))' -F '%100p' |
| 03:16.57 | zumba_addict | not sure why there are 2 postgres-client. Are they related or separated packages? |
| 03:17.23 | sponix | zumba_addict: if you know the name that repo goes by, you can probably swap "MX" for that name in the string and get a list of everything from that repo you have installed |
| 03:17.44 | annadane | postgresql-client is likely just a metapackage that always depends on the latest, client-9.6 is that specific version and -common is miscellaneous, i don't know if all -common packages are the same, btw you can check package descriptions in full with apt show package |
| 03:17.51 | zumba_addict | i got lost sponix |
| 03:18.30 | annadane | postgresql-client: This metapackage always depends on the currently supported database client package for PostgreSQL. |
| 03:18.47 | annadane | and -common has its own description, apt show postgresql-client-common |
| 03:18.49 | sponix | annadane: what are we trying to accomplish again ? |
| 03:18.55 | annadane | remove postgresql-client |
| 03:19.18 | sponix | annadane: and what, it is trying to take ssl with it ? or break something else on the way ? |
| 03:19.33 | annadane | no it's trying to install libssl to fulfill some dependency i haven't found yet |
| 03:19.38 | sponix | normally I would just sudo apt purge *posgresql* |
| 03:19.53 | zumba_addict | what does that command do? |
| 03:20.04 | sponix | well, with it spelled correctly -- of course :) |
| 03:20.22 | annadane | this is why i sort of half heartedly suggested aptitude because its output structure is easier for me to read |
| 03:20.26 | sponix | zumba_addict: it will NUKE anything named postgresql off your system and take the config files along with it |
| 03:20.48 | annadane | because i'm trying to mentally sort out what could be wrong and i'm not getting anywhere |
| 03:20.51 | Gryllida | nuke means remove |
| 03:20.52 | zumba_addict | that means, it will remove all 3 listed |
| 03:20.56 | annadane | just, if you do use aptitude, do not press y when prompted |
| 03:21.16 | zumba_addict | let me check if aptitude is installed |
| 03:21.22 | annadane | i like to use it as a cross reference tool, not use its first proposed solution |
| 03:21.28 | zumba_addict | it's installed but i'm scared |
| 03:21.49 | sponix | annadane: I know a command to list hist sys info and also all repos he has active from inxi -- you want me to do that, so he can dump those results ? |
| 03:22.01 | sponix | annadane: might be able to weed out the wild dep issue that way ? |
| 03:22.09 | annadane | yeah sounds helpful |
| 03:22.31 | annadane | zumba_addict, again, don't agree to the changes, i just want to see the output itself, what it asks to do |
| 03:22.41 | zumba_addict | what is the exact command and params? |
| 03:22.42 | annadane | you can also use -s |
| 03:22.53 | annadane | aptitude remove postgresql-client (or with -s) |
| 03:23.08 | zumba_addict | aptitude -s remove postgresql-client |
| 03:23.13 | sponix | zumba_addict: apt install inxi .. and then run this: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 03:23.41 | zumba_addict | wait, do I run aptitude first? |
| 03:23.44 | sponix | zumba_addict: it will give us a snapshot of both your hardware and software - great for troubleshooting |
| 03:24.06 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:24.11 | sponix | annadane: I wish that came in the debian base :P |
| 03:24.49 | annadane | when i ran sid i found it extremely helpful as a cross reference tool because you can see the entire chain and make certain deductions |
| 03:25.02 | annadane | now, if this is mixing stable versions, we'll see how successful this is or not |
| 03:25.21 | annadane | i'm probably also just being an idiot and not seeing something incredibly obvious, but there you go |
| 03:25.25 | sponix | zumba_addict: you should get an output link similar to this: https://termbin.com/8j4c |
| 03:25.31 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:25.46 | sponix | annadane: well, hate to say it. but this magic command often points those things out that are being overlooked :) |
| 03:25.55 | annadane | inxi? |
| 03:25.58 | annadane | yeah maybe |
| 03:26.00 | sponix | more INFO is always good |
| 03:26.05 | zumba_addict | let me run aptitude first |
| 03:26.11 | annadane | don't press y! |
| 03:26.17 | zumba_addict | k |
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| 03:26.36 | sponix | annadane: you can see my link, or run it to see your own - the info output is REAL Nice :) |
| 03:27.40 | zumba_addict | it's asking the same question over and over. Should i press q? |
| 03:27.41 | annadane | if you just wanted scorched earth and wanted to nuke postgresql no matter what then sure you could just let aptitude do it, but... |
| 03:27.47 | annadane | which questions? |
| 03:27.49 | sponix | speaking of nice. time to shut down my Mint VM and fire over my Debian one :) |
| 03:27.58 | zumba_addict | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] n |
| 03:28.13 | annadane | when you get to that prompt don't say anything, just paste what it says |
| 03:28.16 | annadane | the first proposed solution |
| 03:28.24 | annadane | don't press any of y n q or anything else |
| 03:28.35 | zumba_addict | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/add1a114/ |
| 03:29.05 | annadane | what is the first solution it gives? if you aptitude remove postgresql-client |
| 03:29.12 | annadane | don't cycle through |
| 03:29.56 | zumba_addict | here's the top - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a0eaf51e/ |
| 03:30.20 | zumba_addict | i said n to all and would never quit |
| 03:30.41 | annadane | right, it just keeps cycling through potential solutions |
| 03:31.00 | zumba_addict | press q now? |
| 03:31.39 | zumba_addict | so looks like only 2 will be affected |
| 03:31.40 | annadane | you could've pressed q after the first one, but i did get the information i need; though just for fun, can you do it without the -s? (it won't remove it automatically, just again, don't press y) |
| 03:31.53 | zumba_addict | k |
| 03:31.55 | annadane | i think it gives slightly different output without -s |
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| 03:32.02 | annadane | i have to also remind myself how to use it |
| 03:32.07 | zumba_addict | so press q and rerun the command without -s |
| 03:32.11 | annadane | mhm |
| 03:32.25 | annadane | still, i think i can at least start looking at this |
| 03:32.44 | zumba_addict | so is q safe? :D |
| 03:32.48 | annadane | yes |
| 03:32.54 | annadane | ,i libpq5 |
| 03:32.55 | judd | Package libpq5 (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: PostgreSQL C client library. Version: 11.6-0+deb10u1; Size: 161.6k; Installed: 750k; Homepage: http://www.postgresql.org/ |
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| 03:33.54 | zumba_addict | looks the same output - https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3a55b174/ |
| 03:33.56 | annadane | (but see, this is why i like aptitude, it's possible to work this out in your head by checking the list of depends or depends but aptitude's output allows you to cross reference) |
| 03:34.14 | annadane | okay, one sec |
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| 03:34.35 | annadane | it looks fairly non destructive and you might be able to accept one of its proposed solutions, adjusted to your needs |
| 03:34.38 | annadane | it's not a massive list of stuff |
| 03:35.12 | sponix | hmm.. I'd love to stay and play longer. But I gotta crash |
| 03:35.14 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 03:35.23 | zumba_addict | thank you sponix |
| 03:35.31 | annadane | so if the idea is just to remove postgresql-client then it looks pretty safe to accept removing libpq5 and postgresql-client-9.6 |
| 03:35.58 | zumba_addict | yes I think it is safe. I installed artifactory on my virtual machine deb 8, libpq5 didn't get installed |
| 03:36.01 | zumba_addict | let me confirm |
| 03:36.32 | zumba_addict | i was wrong, it did get installed |
| 03:37.18 | annadane | btw again, and to give you an idea of how packaging works, apt show postgresql-client vs apt show postgresql-client-9.6, notice how the description for the former is "metapackage depending on the latest postgresql" (so essentially nothing) and note its install size compared to the actual postgresql-client-9.6 |
| 03:37.34 | annadane | (much smaller) |
| 03:37.46 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 03:37.48 | annadane | on my machine on debian 10 it's postgresql 11, but same concept |
| 03:38.06 | zumba_addict | what's our verdict? |
| 03:38.32 | annadane | so essentially i think you have a fairly non destructive solution and you may as well just remove the two packages listed before, libpq5 and postgresql-client-9.6 |
| 03:38.48 | zumba_addict | using apt remove? |
| 03:39.09 | annadane | you can or let aptitude do it, just read carefully and make sure it's doing exactly what it says |
| 03:39.17 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 03:39.45 | annadane | many people using aptitude do accept its first proposed solution, but, it *can* be destructive and remove a whole bunch of stuff so the answer is always "it depends", and i just use it as a cross reference tool |
| 03:40.05 | annadane | if it's a simple situation then cross referencing isn't that useful and you may as well just let it remove stuff, if it goes with what you want for your use-case |
| 03:40.23 | zumba_addict | gotcha! Cool |
| 03:40.37 | zumba_addict | thanks a lot |
| 03:40.44 | zumba_addict | need to break |
| 03:41.10 | annadane | if you wanted to get rid of the client in general the main package is postgresql-client-9.6, postgresql-client is just a metapackage that depends on that |
| 03:41.26 | annadane | i don't suspect you'll have too many more problems |
| 03:41.29 | annadane | in any case |
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| 03:42.47 | annadane | you can solve all this without aptitude, i'm sure; i'm just more used to using it |
| 03:43.06 | annadane | it's one of my favorite packages :P |
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| 04:08.45 | Urk | I just downloaded the zoom software, and wondering what commands would be best for installing it? Also, wondering if there is a way I can do a backup or mirror so that I can restore my system to a point before the installation in the event something goes wrong. The zoom program is found here https://zoom.us/signin |
| 04:09.27 | Urk | I took a look at the repository, and the only thing I find similar is a zoom-player, but not sure if it is the same thing. |
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| 04:11.19 | ZaZaGX | its not in the repository |
| 04:11.42 | ZaZaGX | i had to install the debian app from zoom.us |
| 04:12.01 | ZaZaGX | its required for my school too. so i had to install it |
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| 04:12.43 | annadane | ,v timeshift |
| 04:12.44 | judd | Package: timeshift on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; buster: 19.01+ds-2; buster-proposed-updates: 19.01+ds-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 20.03+ds-2; sid: 20.03+ds-2 |
| 04:12.48 | annadane | ,i timeshift |
| 04:12.49 | judd | Package timeshift (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: System restore utility. Version: 19.01+ds-2; Size: 627.5k; Installed: 3087k; Homepage: http://teejeetech.blogspot.in/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/timeshift |
| 04:13.06 | annadane | re: system restoring to previous snapshot, i guess either timeshift or zfs |
| 04:13.12 | annadane | i don't know much about it |
| 04:13.41 | annadane | "before the installation" is a bit of a weird way of putting it, i assume you mean before certain packages get installed |
| 04:13.50 | annadane | oh, specifically before zoom you meant |
| 04:13.58 | annadane | so yeah, the options i mentioned, perhaps |
| 04:17.31 | annadane | timeshift is a debian package whereas zfs is an entire filesystem from freebsd |
| 04:17.35 | annadane | which is also packaged in debian |
| 04:17.43 | annadane | but may be a little more complicated to set up |
| 04:20.18 | ZaZaGX | ah, i just started to use debian 10 kde, i just file transfer to my smartphone. i don't know how to safely remove it |
| 04:20.51 | annadane | sorry; from solaris, not freebsd |
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| 04:24.54 | annadane | (also from freebsd, but i mean, historically originally from solaris) |
| 04:25.20 | annadane | there is also btrfs in general which apparently timeshift uses? but btrfs does have reliability concerns |
| 04:26.07 | annadane | Creates incremental snapshots using rsync or BTRFS snapshots using BTRFS tools. |
| 04:26.12 | annadane | apt show timeshift |
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| 04:28.08 | ZaZaGX | oh jeez, i guess i have to use the terminal to umount |
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| 04:33.57 | sponix2ipfw | ZaZaGX: you need help with ZFS? |
| 04:34.42 | annadane | no i mentioned zfs as a possible (pretty much overkill) solution for Urk |
| 04:35.00 | annadane | for Gigglebyte that is |
| 04:35.02 | annadane | changed their name |
| 04:35.10 | sponix2ipfw | Oh |
| 04:35.19 | annadane | wanted to install zoom and wanted to know a way to roll back the system |
| 04:35.19 | ZaZaGX | i can't find the sda |
| 04:35.28 | annadane | ZaZaGX, lsblk |
| 04:35.47 | annadane | though if a file transfer is still going on maybe stop that first before unmounting |
| 04:35.51 | ZaZaGX | yeah i used fdisk -l |
| 04:35.57 | ZaZaGX | and lsblk |
| 04:36.06 | ZaZaGX | as root, but it doesn't show it |
| 04:36.20 | annadane | well, i'm falling asleep, so unfortunately someone else can help |
| 04:36.26 | annadane | (fortunately? fortunately.) |
| 04:37.09 | sponix2ipfw | I'm in bed already lol |
| 04:37.34 | sponix2ipfw | ZaZaGX: what is going on again? |
| 04:38.04 | ZaZaGX | i'm using to use the gnome gui and right clicking on it and safely eject the mount |
| 04:38.38 | sponix2ipfw | ZaZaGX: Okay... And? |
| 04:38.43 | ZaZaGX | i can't find the /dev/SDA or whatever |
| 04:38.58 | ZaZaGX | it doesn't show up |
| 04:39.49 | sponix2ipfw | How about by Mount point then? |
| 04:40.23 | annadane | mount should give a command of a list of stuff |
| 04:40.24 | sponix2ipfw | umount /media/user/phone |
| 04:40.43 | annadane | or just bash autocomplete in /media or /mnt or wherever it's likely to be |
| 04:40.52 | annadane | i said i WOULDN'T do tech support while tired... good night :P |
| 04:41.20 | sponix2ipfw | annadane: what's the worst that could happen. lol |
| 04:42.40 | ZaZaGX | crap |
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| 04:43.35 | ZaZaGX | i'm confuse. df -h doesn't show the /dev/sda |
| 04:43.38 | ZaZaGX | or whatever |
| 04:44.03 | sponix2ipfw | Sounds like you need xfce instead of KDE :) |
| 04:44.33 | ZaZaGX | i have done this before on Ubuntu. but i am not sure why its not showing up on KDE |
| 04:44.39 | sponix2ipfw | Thunar will at least eject things |
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| 04:45.31 | sponix2ipfw | ZaZaGX: just shut down your rig. Then unplug the phone |
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| 04:45.51 | ZaZaGX | i am thinking of just pulling it out |
| 04:45.58 | ZaZaGX | while the machine is on |
| 04:46.16 | sponix2ipfw | umount -a |
| 04:46.48 | sponix2ipfw | Should unmount anything not in use |
| 04:47.23 | ZaZaGX | umont: /dev: target is busy. |
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| 04:48.35 | annadane | maybe it's not visible specifically because a file is being transferred |
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| 04:49.17 | sponix2ipfw | ZaZaGX: umount -a |
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| 04:49.33 | ZaZaGX | yeah i did umount -a |
| 04:49.40 | sponix2ipfw | Hmm |
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| 04:49.57 | sponix2ipfw | Best I had at the moment |
| 04:50.06 | zumba_addict | i'm back. Thank you annadane |
| 04:50.28 | sponix2ipfw | zumba_addict: did you get it? |
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| 04:50.40 | zumba_addict | i saw annadane's suggestion |
| 04:50.44 | zumba_addict | i haven't tried inxi |
| 04:51.03 | zumba_addict | i can't execute it tonight. I have to create a ticket first and send out a notification |
| 04:51.18 | annadane | should be able to remove the 9.6 package and the metapackage and the other thing ending with 5 whose name i forget and i'm tired so for the very last time good night and hope everything goes well with the removal stuff |
| 04:51.34 | zumba_addict | libpq5 |
| 04:51.44 | zumba_addict | sure, will do |
| 04:52.33 | ZaZaGX | i guess i'll power down |
| 04:52.38 | zumba_addict | then i will reinstall the proper postgresql-client meant for jessie |
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| 04:53.50 | Gigglebyte | annadane> What command should I use for installing a download zoom? And is this already in the repository? |
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| 04:57.03 | ZaZaGX | oh, well my phone was updating the lastest android too |
| 04:57.10 | ZaZaGX | it asked to rebbot |
| 04:57.17 | ZaZaGX | maybe that was it. not sure |
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| 04:59.55 | sponix2ipfw | Gigglebyte: bring up the zoom meeting link in Google Chrome. It will likely just do an extension |
| 05:00.43 | Gigglebyte | sponix2ipfw> Did bring up the zoom meeting link in Chrome, but don't recall the extension. However, it had a link requesting a download if the link didn't work. |
| 05:00.56 | zumba_addict | i'm going to install postgresql-client 9.6 stretch on my debian 8 so I can recreate the issue |
| 05:01.10 | Gigglebyte | I tried using the web based version previously, and it wouldn't work on this laptop. The problem is the laptop is tool old, and is a Dell Vostro 1520. |
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| 05:03.48 | sponix2ipfw | Gigglebyte: laptop is too old. Or your Debian is too old? |
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| 05:04.41 | sponix2ipfw | zumba_addict: wtf are you doing Debian 8 in 2020? |
| 05:04.49 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 05:04.59 | zumba_addict | we will upgrade our deb 8 at work |
| 05:05.14 | Gigglebyte | sponix2ipfw> Debian stable is the latest, and updated twice daily. Laptop is tool old to run the web based version, but I suspect the installed version will be a little better. What are the commands for installing it? And how do I do a mirror image to restore to the condition before install? I would like to do this in case the install goes bad. I don't want to turn my laptop into a Frankenstein. |
| 05:05.14 | zumba_addict | it just so happen i have deb 8 on my laptop as well as stretch |
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| 05:06.10 | sponix2ipfw | Gigglebyte: timeshift is the OS backup program |
| 05:06.12 | ZaZaGX | wow, i don't even know how debian 8 looks like |
| 05:07.32 | sponix2ipfw | Gigglebyte: I'd love to help more. But I don't feel like getting out of bed |
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| 05:08.23 | Gigglebyte | ok. I will look into timeshift in the morning. Incidentally I was just reading about the situation in the hospitals with Coronavirus, and it is starting to look like the disease is affecting a lot more than merely the elderly https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-doctors-sick.html |
| 05:08.35 | Gigglebyte | Thanks for your help, and I will take this up with you tomorrow. |
| 05:09.16 | Gigglebyte | ok. I just installed timeshift |
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| 05:12.11 | sponix | Gigglebyte: yeah, I just installed from zoom.us/download and it seems to do okay |
| 05:12.42 | Gigglebyte | sponix> What commands did you use to install the file after it was downloaded? |
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| 05:14.51 | ZaZaGX | you Gigglebyte, what desktop enviornment are you using? |
| 05:15.00 | Gigglebyte | xfce |
| 05:15.10 | sponix | Gigglebyte: I just used gdebi or whatever -- basically just "double click" the file.deb that you download from zoom.us/download for your debian version |
| 05:15.25 | sponix | Gigglebyte: and it will come up and prompt you to install |
| 05:15.48 | sponix | ZaZaGX: don't you go telling how to do things with Debian 8 now lol |
| 05:15.51 | ZaZaGX | well, sometimes you have to choose the right program to click it too |
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| 05:16.27 | ZaZaGX | oh sorry, i have never used debian 8 before |
| 05:16.50 | sponix | ZaZaGX: oh, I had you confused with zumba_addict - sorry |
| 05:17.00 | sponix | all the Z nicks look alike at Midnight |
| 05:17.04 | zumba_addict | :D |
| 05:17.27 | sponix | Gigglebyte: you all good now ? |
| 05:17.43 | Gigglebyte | I'm always good. |
| 05:17.58 | Gigglebyte | But can't find the file I downloaded, but its here. |
| 05:18.19 | sponix | Gigglebyte: if it doesn't work for you, _most_ packages can be removed fairly clean with just "apt remove zoom" or whatever and then maybe an "apt autoremove" to clean up after that |
| 05:18.32 | ZaZaGX | i guess if i were to get into debian at that time, instead of using Ubuntu. My first Debian would be Debian 4.0 (Etch) |
| 05:18.32 | sponix | Gigglebyte: default will be like your /home/user/Downloads |
| 05:18.40 | sponix | mine being /home/sponix/Downloads of course |
| 05:19.02 | Gigglebyte | sponix> Didn't find it in my downloads folder, but recall it being in a sub-directory of a temp directory. |
| 05:19.24 | sponix | ZaZaGX: I would tell you how long I've been doing this, but then you would worry that I should have died already :) |
| 05:19.54 | sponix | Gigglebyte: lol, I'd just save it again to a location you actually pay attention to... like /home/user/Downloads for example -- Hint HINT |
| 05:20.02 | sponix | folks always trying to make shit hard |
| 05:21.43 | ZaZaGX | sponix, are you old? |
| 05:22.02 | sponix | ZaZaGX: My kids are teenagers |
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| 05:22.21 | ZaZaGX | oh, you must be 60 :) |
| 05:22.51 | sponix | ZaZaGX: that is more my folks age. I'm 40, been doing Linux since about 1995 |
| 05:24.22 | ZaZaGX | so you were born in 1980, you were 15 years old |
| 05:25.08 | sponix | ZaZaGX: pretty close on the math.. I was born in 79 ... and yeah.. a teenager or so when I started with Linux |
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| 05:26.02 | sponix | Gigglebyte: how about now ? you all good now ? |
| 05:26.24 | ZaZaGX | i started when i was 14, it was 2001. Red Hat 7.1 amd Suse 7.1 |
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| 05:27.01 | ZaZaGX | i didn't know how to get my 56k modem to work. i coulnd't figure how to go on the internet |
| 05:27.04 | sponix | Slackware for me |
| 05:28.08 | sponix | 28.8 modem later moving to 33.6 - 386 with 4MB or so of Ram, and a 40MB Hard drive |
| 05:28.30 | Gigglebyte | sponix> I'm going to bed, and will continue this in the morning. Thanks for your help. |
| 05:28.45 | sponix | spare parts from a computer shop that didn't feel like testing them, laid out on bubble wrap in my bedroom floor |
| 05:28.57 | sponix | fun times |
| 05:29.19 | sponix | yeah.. I'm calling it quits too |
| 05:29.44 | ZaZaGX | I was on a Sega Saturn, with a 28.8k modem called a netlink. I was 12 years old. The ISP was called concentric |
| 05:29.46 | zumba_addict | folks, I forgot. How do we check if an installed package came from jessie repo? |
| 05:30.10 | zumba_addict | it's because I wasn't sure if dpkg -i was use or apt-get install |
| 05:30.16 | zumba_addict | use/used |
| 05:30.59 | zumba_addict | not sure apt-cache policy artifactory is good enough. It does show jessie but other versions are shown too |
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| 05:33.19 | zumba_addict | running `dpkg -l |grep artifactory` doesn't show enough info |
| 05:34.18 | sponix2ipfw | zumba_addict: you might have to check back another time |
| 05:34.29 | sponix2ipfw | 22:16 <sponix> annadane: yep, this list everything I have installed from the MX repo --> aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(MX))' -F '%100p' |
| 05:35.02 | sponix2ipfw | You could try swapping MX with Jessie |
| 05:35.14 | sponix2ipfw | Not sure if it will work |
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| 05:36.06 | sponix2ipfw | That just list names of what came from a repo though. No details |
| 05:38.05 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 05:38.43 | zumba_addict | i tried dpkg-query -l, same output |
| 05:38.57 | zumba_addict | it didn't tell me more info about the installed package |
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| 05:42.27 | zumba_addict | this didn't work either, `apt-cache show jfrog-artifactory-pro=6.18.0`. Output was the same for different versions. It means, it didn't check the one that is currently installed |
| 05:43.27 | zumba_addict | ah, apt-cache policy did it |
| 05:43.32 | zumba_addict | 100 means it's installed |
| 05:43.36 | zumba_addict | sweet |
| 05:43.41 | zumba_addict | 500 means installable |
| 05:43.44 | zumba_addict | i'm good now |
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| 06:44.25 | jelly | zumba_addict, once a package is installed there is no way to know which repo it came from. Available versions are just a clue, not a proof. |
| 06:45.09 | zumba_addict | that's not what I was looking for. I just wanted to know if it was a jessie or stretch or something. Using apt-cache policy package did the trick |
| 06:45.54 | zumba_addict | The version 6.17.0 for artifactory had 2 numbers, 500 and 100. 500 means installable and 100 means installed. |
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| 06:50.36 | jelly | from apt-cache policy packagename? That's a good clue and probably true if you're only using official repos, that are guaranteed not to, say, have different package contents with same version number. |
| 06:50.49 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 06:51.26 | jelly | (if you were dealing with weird repos, or making own packages, the matching version might mean nothing) |
| 06:51.30 | zumba_addict | is there any difference between `apt install package` and `apt-get install package`? |
| 06:51.36 | zumba_addict | gotcha |
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| 06:55.19 | zumba_addict | annadane sponix, I have good news. I was able to recreate the same issue regarding postgresql-client-9.6 stretch on my local debian 8. The installation failed but it got installed. Now I tried to upgrade artifactory, I saw the same libpq5 issue. To get it resolved, I did apt remove -f postgresql-client-9.6. I was able to upgrade artifactory smoothly. |
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| 06:56.10 | zumba_addict | thank you jelly |
| 06:56.18 | zumba_addict | I'll sleep now, it's almost 2am |
| 06:56.29 | jelly | are you doing a jessie->stretch? |
| 06:56.38 | jelly | mixing packages from debian 9 into a debian 8 installation is not a good idea |
| 06:56.46 | zumba_addict | no. Fixing upgrade issue on artifactory package |
| 06:57.03 | zumba_addict | yes. SOmeone installed a package 9 on our debian 8 |
| 06:57.13 | jelly | ah. |
| 06:57.20 | zumba_addict | luckily it was only a small package |
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| 06:57.40 | zumba_addict | annadane helped me troubleshoot earlier |
| 06:57.44 | jelly | ,v jfrog-artifactory-pro |
| 06:57.45 | judd | No package named 'jfrog-artifactory-pro' was found in amd64. |
| 06:57.53 | zumba_addict | they have a repo list |
| 06:58.03 | jelly | mmm, ok then |
| 06:58.17 | zumba_addict | really good that the installed jfrog was still jessie |
| 06:58.30 | zumba_addict | the culprit was the postgres-client. It was stretch |
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| 07:00.49 | jelly | you probably have other stretch packages installed as well |
| 07:00.57 | zumba_addict | yup, it does |
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| 07:01.03 | zumba_addict | let me check |
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| 07:02.28 | jelly | if you comment out stretch repos from the config, you can do |
| 07:02.31 | jelly | !not available |
| 07:02.31 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 07:03.28 | jelly | but if the machine is working and it's 2am where you live, that can probably be done tommorow. Take care of yourself. |
| 07:03.57 | jelly | regular sleep is apparently very, very important for the immune system |
| 07:04.20 | zumba_addict | it's nice, only postgresql and libpq5. artifactory does not depend on it |
| 07:04.27 | zumba_addict | will do |
| 07:04.29 | zumba_addict | thank you :) |
| 07:04.31 | zumba_addict | i'll sleep now |
| 07:04.54 | jelly | g'night! |
| 07:04.59 | zumba_addict | you too :) |
| 07:05.03 | at0m | ehehe |
| 07:06.05 | jelly | it's 9am here. I'm working from home. Can't you tell. |
| 07:06.20 | jelly | hides |
| 07:08.06 | Haohmaru | working from ~/ |
| 07:08.15 | zumba_addict | btw, before I sleep, hahaha, I really think debian as a whole is nice compared to Redhat, Fedora after the troubleshooting I did today |
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| 07:08.54 | zumba_addict | I like FreeBSD too. I'm beginning to forget it since last time I used it was 2011 |
| 07:09.11 | zumba_addict | At work, we use Fedora and Amazon Linux 2 |
| 07:09.31 | zumba_addict | really sleeping now, good night all |
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| 07:20.16 | p4r4n0id | beep! |
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| 07:20.52 | p4r4n0id | ty luna_ this was a test :) |
| 07:20.56 | luna_ | np |
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| 08:48.58 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys quick question so whats the offical way to upgrade debian from 9 to 10 - do i juist backup my home folder, and than add the new debian 10 sources and update + upgrade? |
| 08:49.01 | Psil0Cybin | via apt get? |
| 08:49.08 | Psil0Cybin | Or does it entail a lot more detail? |
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| 08:50.13 | Psil0Cybin | if someone can help me or give me a tutorial for upgrading debian 9 - 10 that would be very helpful |
| 08:50.14 | Psil0Cybin | thanks |
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| 08:52.10 | m1dnight_ | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
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| 08:54.39 | jm_ | Psil0Cybin: in general, read release notes for version you want to upgrade to and you'll find a chapter dedicated to upgrading as pointed out above |
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| 09:00.11 | Psil0Cybin | tthanks for telling me m1dnight_ and jm_ i thought it was much easier than that |
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| 09:00.14 | Psil0Cybin | now i will double think to upgrade |
| 09:00.30 | Psil0Cybin | another page made it seem so easy so im glad you showed me this like the offical guide for upgrading |
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| 09:20.03 | jelly | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 09:20.04 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
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| 09:20.53 | jelly | that's the same document as linked above. You really want to read it to avoid common issues. |
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| 09:35.00 | pingfloyd | Psil0Cybin: seems like usually have to run apt-get dist-upgrade a few times |
| 09:35.17 | pingfloyd | Psil0Cybin: until it quits updating finally |
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| 09:39.03 | jamesc | I see debian useto have /etc/networking/interfaces all the guides put static routes in there. I would like to add a seperate routes file like previous versions. I tried adding a file but it no work. |
| 09:39.21 | unixfu- | it's called netplan now |
| 09:39.40 | unixfu- | so look into sudo netplan apply after adjusting network settings instead of recycling networking service |
| 09:39.45 | unixfu- | or if you want old stanza |
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| 09:40.03 | unixfu- | there's a package now u can still get /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:40.06 | unixfu- | i forget what's it called tho |
| 09:40.09 | unixfu- | ifupdown maybe |
| 09:40.30 | unixfu- | but netplan was their attempt to make the interfaces obsolete sortof |
| 09:40.54 | unixfu- | mebbe ifupdown2, like i said- foggy memory try searching thru apt for network |
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| 09:41.41 | jelly | unixfu-, there is no netplan in debian yet. |
| 09:41.47 | unixfu- | ahh i mistaken for ubuntu |
| 09:41.48 | unixfu- | sry |
| 09:42.02 | unixfu- | i could have swear debian10 had it |
| 09:42.05 | unixfu- | but could be wrong |
| 09:42.29 | unixfu- | you do this tho |
| 09:42.33 | unixfu- | add static ips |
| 09:42.36 | jelly | jamesc, there was no separate file for routes ever, that I remember. Put them in up or post-up lines. |
| 09:42.40 | unixfu- | by /sbin/ip add |
| 09:42.45 | unixfu- | below after network is defined |
| 09:42.46 | jelly | in interfaces or interfaces.d/ |
| 09:42.49 | XsiSec | Hi folks I am currently is using debian buster also the application Teams, but each time I get a message in teams, the volume for pulseaudio for example spotify is changing, how can I get rid of this? |
| 09:42.50 | unixfu- | or if up them |
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| 09:43.50 | unixfu- | XsiSec, figure out audio that exploits siri on macos thru color profiling exploit **hint** |
| 09:44.20 | unixfu- | audio is null in security world as we dont have ears |
| 09:44.27 | unixfu- | so no use for legit audio server |
| 09:44.32 | unixfu- | :/ |
| 09:45.21 | unixfu- | XsiSec, perhaps also limit the sound from amplifying over the normal 100% |
| 09:45.34 | unixfu- | thru the sound panel preferences or control panel |
| 09:45.49 | unixfu- | sup _Tristan_ |
| 09:45.51 | jelly | unixfu-, this channel is for debian tech support. If you have expert Debian knowledge of the subject in question, feel free to provide support, otherwise, we have a chat room for non-support over there in #debian-offtopic |
| 09:46.26 | unixfu- | tell yourself that when your own conscious rootz your computer from you uttering what i have written just now! |
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| 09:47.47 | XsiSec | hmm |
| 09:47.55 | bubblefoo | hi,what would be the difference between flatpak and firejail? |
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| 09:50.35 | towo^work | bubblefoo, , the one has nothing to do with the other |
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| 09:50.45 | towo^work | so you can't compare |
| 09:51.04 | jamesc | I have tried the "up route add ..." syntax in interfaces which works but I have lot or routes to manage and cant seem to find the syntax that makes it work. |
| 09:51.28 | bubblefoo | they are both sandboxing ,aren't they? |
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| 09:53.20 | towo^work | bubblefoo, no, flatpack is a distribution format for software independend from the uses packaging system of the distro |
| 09:53.38 | towo^work | bubblefoo, with firejail you can run your installed software in a sandbox |
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| 09:56.06 | bubblefoo | so flatpak is something like aptitude with some sandboxing abilities? |
| 09:56.19 | towo^work | no |
| 09:56.35 | towo^work | and what is your problem to read it on the flatpack homepage? |
| 09:56.41 | ratrace | flatpak is something more like docker but done differently |
| 09:56.45 | bubblefoo | i must be more of a noob than i thought,lol |
| 09:57.00 | bubblefoo | still not getting what flatpak is |
| 09:57.18 | ratrace | bubblefoo: do you know what containers are? |
| 09:57.56 | bubblefoo | some sort of sandbox? |
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| 09:59.09 | ratrace | bubblefoo: more like namespacing. linux subsystem that spawns off separate process ID space, user ID space, filesystem view... so that containers are "chroot-ed" inside those namespaces and can't see outside or eacho ther,. |
| 10:00.09 | ratrace | bubblefoo: flatpack, docker, snaps, .... are just different tools that deliver software that's prepackaged as a mini-distro without the kernel, and run in such an isolated, namespaced environment. The reason it's "mini distro" is because, being isolated, you need ALL the programs and libs to run something. libc, utils, resolver, ... |
| 10:01.41 | bubblefoo | thanks,will have to look further into it |
| 10:01.53 | ratrace | and that's both the good and the bad of it. you can run programs that are completely detached from the rest of your OS (in terms of library versions for example), there's some increased security aspects of it, but the bad part is that you must deliver everything a program needs. |
| 10:02.54 | ratrace | another bad aspect is you don't get your distro maintainers to curate, test, retest and manage the software for you. it's who-knows-doing-what that uploads the packages to their respective docker, flatpak or snapd hubs. |
| 10:03.12 | ratrace | snaps _already_ had malware embedded in |
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| 10:04.01 | bubblefoo | sounds being still in a bit of experimental phase,seeing it from a debian point of view |
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| 10:07.00 | ratrace | bubblefoo: debian doesn't care either way, and has no intentions to prioritize anything other than apt and .deb packages unlike, say, ubuntu that's increasingly switching to snaps. |
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| 10:09.00 | bubblefoo | i am not aware that debian had apps that had malware in them and as afar i understood debian concerning their social contract they would care if their apps had malware in contrast to snap |
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| 10:10.18 | ratrace | bubblefoo: it doesn't. snaps, flatpaks and others are maintained _outside_ of debian. they're software delivery hubs in their own. |
| 10:10.48 | ratrace | some of them are "officially" curated by some distro teams and companies, but make no mistake, anyone can upload anything to the hubs |
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| 10:11.28 | ratrace | that's also one of the reasons these exist :: to deliver self-contained software that can run on any distro, with zero conflicts with distro's packaged software. |
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| 10:14.07 | luna_ | booops |
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| 10:20.40 | jelly | jamesc, there can be more than one up line, each with a single command. You could put them all in a script and execute that... |
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| 10:29.50 | ritmo | Hello everyone! I have a question! Is it possible to run AppImg in Debian? How would i be able to activate this? Maybe someone can help a newbie :) |
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| 10:31.53 | jelly | ritmo, isn't an AppImage just "store in a directory and run from there" |
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| 10:32.53 | ritmo | Yeah i guess so, but if i use it on Ubuntu i can double click it and it works. In Debian it asks me which program i want to open it with |
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| 10:33.07 | ice9 | why would I choose debian over centos or Ubuntu for a server? |
| 10:34.36 | epsilon | ice9: just take a distro which you like and fits your needs |
| 10:35.08 | ice9 | but is debian really more stable than ubuntu? |
| 10:35.12 | ice9 | regarding updates |
| 10:36.07 | epsilon | debian is bahaving more conservative compared to ubuntu |
| 10:36.11 | EdePopede | !ubuntu |
| 10:36.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:36.27 | EdePopede | ah, i thought it would mention the ubuntu sources |
| 10:36.30 | ritmo | Maybe someone can help me with my AppImg problem? :) I really really need it right now^^ |
| 10:36.42 | davxy | ice9: often new features are synonim of new bugs. Debian (stable) use less bleeding edge software versions |
| 10:36.47 | ritmo | I imagine it must be super easy but i cant seem to find it anywhere |
| 10:37.49 | EdePopede | ritmo: https://appimage.org/ tells me to just download, make executable, start. |
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| 10:38.04 | davxy | ice9: if you want to use debian but want to be bleeding edge the you can switch "testing" repository. |
| 10:38.45 | ritmo | edepopede: i just tried my appimage, made it executable and ran it but doesnt work |
| 10:39.08 | EdePopede | !doesn't work |
| 10:39.08 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 10:39.16 | EdePopede | you run it from a shell? |
| 10:39.27 | ritmo | haha |
| 10:39.30 | ritmo | No |
| 10:39.31 | EdePopede | good for output, may have info |
| 10:39.46 | ritmo | i just double click and made it executeable before |
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| 10:40.33 | davxy | #covid19 |
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| 10:40.53 | ritmo | this comes up when i drag it into terminal and hit enter: [4341:0331/124024.285055:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_ledgerQdi4HK/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755. |
| 10:40.53 | ritmo | Trace/breakpoint trap |
| 10:41.15 | EdePopede | ritmo: it's easier to start it in a shell and see what's happening than to hunt logfiles later, if there would be any infos at all |
| 10:42.05 | EdePopede | ritmo: see, useful info :) |
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| 10:42.49 | ritmo | yes! :D |
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| 10:46.26 | ritmo | But i actually have no idea what it means haha |
| 10:47.08 | EdePopede | the last sentence |
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| 10:51.22 | ritmo | test |
| 10:51.29 | ritmo | ./tmp/.mount_ledgerQdi4HK/chrome-sandbox this folder doesnt exist tho |
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| 10:56.41 | EdePopede | ritmo: the leading dot is just because of irc i suppose? |
| 10:56.49 | ritmo | yes |
| 10:57.09 | EdePopede | pro tip: use // instead of plain / when it starts with it |
| 10:57.11 | EdePopede | / |
| 10:57.19 | luna_ | EdePopede: :o |
| 10:57.21 | ritmo | will do <3 |
| 10:57.32 | luna_ | did not know that |
| 10:57.42 | EdePopede | ♥ <-- composing key magic xD |
| 10:58.08 | EdePopede | another happy little accident, never seen it in any documentation i think |
| 10:58.30 | ritmo | "sudo chown root chrome-sandbox" and then "chmod 4755 chrome-sandbox" is what they recommend here https://github.com/emqx/MQTTX/issues/109 |
| 10:58.44 | ritmo | but i get: chown: cannot access 'chrome-sandbox': No such file or directory |
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| 10:59.27 | EdePopede | does /tmp/.mount_ledgerQdi4HK exist or is such a dir created at every start? |
| 10:59.46 | EdePopede | (don't forget it's a dot file, when you try to ls it) |
| 10:59.49 | ritmo | it doesn't exist. |
| 10:59.59 | ritmo | yes, i see hidden files |
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| 11:00.15 | EdePopede | ah good. |
| 11:00.59 | EdePopede | "The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly." <-- seems that this one has the job to do the dirty work, to chown the chrome-sandbox to root |
| 11:01.58 | ritmo | but if i do "sudo chown root chrome-sandbox" |
| 11:02.15 | ritmo | i get "chown: cannot access 'chrome-sandbox': No such file or directory" |
| 11:02.48 | EdePopede | ritmo: https://docs.appimage.org/user-guide/run-appimages.html |
| 11:03.23 | EdePopede | maybe another approach, pre-create the environment before starting the image, instead of relying on some automatism |
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| 11:06.12 | ritmo | found this too: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/lighthouse/issues/378 |
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| 11:07.03 | EdePopede | ritmo: do you get results if you `chrome<TAB>` ? |
| 11:07.41 | ritmo | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
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| 11:09.12 | EdePopede | huh? ah, wait. did you type this literally? |
| 11:09.20 | ritmo | yea`` |
| 11:09.48 | ritmo | i have chrome and chromium installed on the system |
| 11:09.52 | EdePopede | ah. no. you type `chrome` and then the TAB key twice. it either shows some commands or nothing. |
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| 11:10.16 | ritmo | ah |
| 11:10.25 | EdePopede | <ritmo> but if i do "sudo chown root chrome-sandbox" <-- is chrome-sandbox in the directory you're in? |
| 11:10.55 | ritmo | if i type chrome and then hit the tab key twice nothing happens |
| 11:11.20 | ritmo | no im not in any directory tbh |
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| 11:15.05 | ritmo | afk 5min |
| 11:15.18 | randomuser12324 | Hello. Any idea why I can't change permission/owner for my mounted ntfs usb HDD. It is mounted by root and all files are root:root. "chown -R pi:pi folder" says that "changed ownership of 'file' from root:root to pi:pi" but nothing has changed |
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| 11:17.02 | Dece | randomuser12324: i think the ntfs driver do not let you do that, you must specify the user and group for the whole filesystem during mount or in your fstab |
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| 11:18.25 | randomuser12324 | Allright thank you |
| 11:19.36 | maroloccio | Which command would I run to check if a named package P is available for installation. I am currently trying with: apt-cache search P |
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| 11:20.27 | Dece | maroloccio: apt policy P, or apt-cache policy for old debian versions |
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| 11:21.46 | maroloccio | Dece: thank you. Studying the man page.. |
| 11:23.21 | f1refly | When trying to install with manual partitioning it tells me my LUKS crypto partition is "not_active" and I cannot create the lvm in it. How can I tell the installer that it should create the luks volume so it becomes active without having to pick a partition to use as root just yet? |
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| 11:32.38 | Dece | maroloccio: just found out "apt show" is probably to be preferred, whereas the policy command is rather meant to clear doubts about repository preferences |
| 11:32.54 | Dece | (or apt-cache showpkg for older debian) |
| 11:33.11 | maroloccio | Dece: apt show. I'll try that, thank you again |
| 11:33.45 | autopsy | Whydoes mmy dpkg -a --configure fail? |
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| 11:34.03 | autopsy | Fails on mysql-server |
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| 11:34.39 | autopsy | Well, because mysql_safe_db_install akss s for a root password which is interactive John. |
| 11:35.08 | autopsy | I said.. turn that musaz muzak down boy. |
| 11:35.21 | ritmo | EdePopede: if i drag the .appimage into the terminal and just add "--no-sandbox" it works.. |
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| 11:37.47 | maroloccio | Dece: seems similar to apt-cache show, at least in terms of output. Actually apt show is missing some "tech details" but renaming a couple of fields in a more "user-friendly" kind of way, I suppose |
| 11:38.51 | maroloccio | This seems to suggest to me that `apt show` might be subsequent to `apt-cache show` and meant to replace it as a more user-friendly view onto the same data, is that it? |
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| 11:41.26 | maroloccio | The apt man page explains this too, I just noticed. I should have looked at the man, rather than vimdiff the output |
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| 11:49.15 | lanwtf | my lan and wlan connections go to 0 all the time, while sometimes spiking to appropriate levels |
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| 11:49.17 | lanwtf | Wtf? |
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| 11:51.12 | scx56 | Hi does someone know if Microsoft Teams work well with Debian ? |
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| 11:52.48 | scx56 | I have got a weird problem, i can't see others people (Their webcam is on) or when they share their screen |
| 11:52.52 | no_gravity | Hello! When I plug my Android phone into my Debian machine, I can access the files from Gnomes file manager. With some weird path like mtp://%5Busb%... But how do I access them from the terminal? |
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| 11:54.31 | circ-user-tI6Pl | hello |
| 11:54.48 | wondiws | xbacklight gives me "No outputs have backlight property". This doesn't look right, does it? |
| 11:54.51 | wondiws | hi circ-user-tI6Pl |
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| 11:57.00 | Piraty | i wonder why https://packages.debian.org/sid/openjdk-8-jdk is in sid but not in 10 |
| 11:57.22 | lannowork | My lan and wifi keep going to zero, despite working, can somebody help? |
| 11:57.55 | jelly | Piraty, there was no security support at the time debian 10 package set was frozen and set in stone |
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| 11:58.04 | jelly | ,v openjdk-8-jdk |
| 11:58.05 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u252-b07-1 |
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| 11:58.33 | Piraty | so no jdk8 in debian10 never ever?? |
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| 11:59.35 | diogenes_ | lannowork, what does it mean going to zero? |
| 12:00.06 | tomreyn | Piraty: there are thgird party builds if it helps. but i think 8 is supposed to die soon |
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| 12:00.55 | lannowork | 0B/s on both |
| 12:01.04 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, try to drag and drop a file from the phone to terminal and see the path. |
| 12:01.17 | lannowork | Despite the wifi working fine on any other device, ill check with my laptop the lan |
| 12:01.34 | diogenes_ | lannowork, for any website or specific ones? |
| 12:02.04 | lannowork | General, the data u can see in networks panel popup (kde debian testing) |
| 12:02.25 | lannowork | Ill check the lan from my laptop |
| 12:02.27 | no_gravity | diogenes_: That gives some weird mtp://%5Busb... path that I cannot access from the terminal. |
| 12:02.39 | no_gravity | diogenes_: But I found them at /run/user/$UID/gvfs/... now |
| 12:02.41 | diogenes_ | but as of today, people stay home so the internet is getting overcrowded that even youtube netflix and other platforms take measures to reduce the video quality and traffic. |
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| 12:02.50 | no_gravity | diogenes_: Interestingly, only the user with that UID can access them. |
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| 12:03.13 | no_gravity | diogenes_: Seems to be a fuse feature to lock out root. Trying to figure out how to make it so that root can access them. |
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| 12:03.27 | no_gravity | diogenes_: As I would like to add the dir to a backup script that runs as root. |
| 12:03.43 | diogenes_ | no_gravity, ok |
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| 12:04.53 | jm_ | no_gravity: there are other tools to mount MTP devices, try apt-cache search mtp fuse |
| 12:06.14 | no_gravity | jm_: Well, since the debian machine already mounts it and the Gnome user can access it, I am trying to find a way for root to access them as well. I think there must be a way ... |
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| 12:07.22 | lannowork | Well, now that i tried lan on my lapotp i dont have any connection at all from my pc |
| 12:07.34 | lannowork | Even after reboot |
| 12:07.45 | lannowork | With same wifi and same debian testing |
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| 12:07.58 | lannowork | And lan too |
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| 12:10.33 | circ-user-tI6Pl | any one using a macbook with debian |
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| 12:10.51 | lannowork | And it all worked fine during netinstall and today as i downloaded my mega backup |
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| 12:12.53 | bg6f | Curious to know it is possible (as unusual as it is) to use a wieless interface with the ip= kernel agument |
| 12:13.04 | bg6f | ip<client-IP-number>:[<server-id>]:<gateway-IP-number>:<netmask>:<client-hostname>:<interface>:{dhcp|dhcp6|auto6|on|any|none|off} during boot |
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| 12:14.01 | timothywcrane | Fresh Buster install... su - vs su , Wayland kills synaptic usage... sudo does not take hold... (even with visudo edits fine)... What happened to Buster? With a 9>10 upgrade all was well... but fresh installs are plagued with these features/bugs... just me? |
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| 12:16.23 | andre144k | hello all |
| 12:16.32 | jelly | timothywcrane, most of these are upstream issues. |
| 12:16.43 | andre144k | what does mean "total size" at rsync-output exactly? |
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| 12:17.01 | andre144k | is this the size of data transfered over wire? |
| 12:17.13 | lannoworkpc | I have torrents with 7mb/s downloading rn |
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| 12:17.19 | lannoworkpc | And had trouble connecting to irc |
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| 12:17.23 | jelly | andre144k, all the files you told rsync to copy, whether they're already there on the destination or not |
| 12:17.25 | andre144k | or was only "sent data" transfered? |
| 12:17.33 | jelly | sent data is transfer. |
| 12:17.49 | andre144k | hmm, dont understand |
| 12:18.06 | andre144k | sent 1202000 bytes received 2251 bytes 4731.83 bytes/sec |
| 12:18.06 | andre144k | total size is 48711366915 speedup is 40449.51 |
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| 12:19.28 | andre144k | 1,2MB data transfered or 48GB - with all details with hashes and so on? |
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| 12:20.21 | andre144k | i meaned 45,3GB :) |
| 12:21.04 | Piraty | thank tomreyn and jelly . i added "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" which works fine to install openjdk8. in case the package matches are found in multiple repositories (the strech-security repo in this case), i assume the package with highest version number/revision will win ? |
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| 12:22.20 | tomreyn | Piraty: creating a frankendebian is not what i mean when i suggested looking for "third party repositories. |
| 12:22.49 | Piraty | i know that adoptjdk has repos to use |
| 12:23.11 | bg6f | total size is total size of files rsync is syncing, whether they are on destination or not. Sent is what has been sent thus far |
| 12:24.46 | tomreyn | Piraty: i don'T know adoptjdk's (but i'm not really into java), i know amazon AWS does builds and support them (actually that's for ubuntu, i'm not sure whether they do it for debian) |
| 12:25.27 | Piraty | i trust upstream (meaning debian here) more than 3rd party |
| 12:25.27 | Piraty | java is just java and ldd reveals all binaries depend on not much more than libc (and libz on my system) so i should be good |
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| 12:25.47 | andre144k | are "48711366915" in bytes? bits? is this the data which is transfered over wire while checking headers/hashes/timestamps and so on? |
| 12:26.03 | Piraty | if apt is clever enough not to prefer stuff from the stretch repo or at least warn if shlib dependencies will be unmet, i'm good |
| 12:26.09 | Piraty | s/apt/dpkg |
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| 12:26.39 | Piraty | i assume shlib dependencies are part of .deb's dependency resolution? (unlike pacman for instance) |
| 12:26.51 | bg6f | bytes |
| 12:27.37 | bg6f | use -h for human readable format |
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| 12:28.09 | lannoworkpc | K, my inet seems to be working again, sry for the trouble, hope it doesnt repeat |
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| 12:29.13 | tomreyn | Piraty: this is what i had in mind (but i'm sure there are others): https://docs.aws.amazon.com/corretto/latest/corretto-8-ug/generic-linux-install.html |
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| 12:30.03 | m1dnight_ | Am I blind, or can you not sign in to your google account in chromium? |
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| 12:33.37 | jelly | Piraty, best add back all the repos for stretch, it is possible for a new package version to appear in the main repo and not the security repo, as part of a point release |
| 12:33.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell Piraty about stretch sources.list |
| 12:34.37 | tomreyn | dpkg, tell Piraty about frankendebian |
| 12:34.43 | tomreyn | dpkg, tell Piraty about apt pinning |
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| 12:35.07 | Piraty | thanks |
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| 12:36.35 | Piraty | dpkg doesn't track dependencies to lib version than? (i.e. warn users if installing libfoo.so.2 will break packges requiring libfoo.so.1) |
| 12:36.36 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Piraty |
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| 12:45.27 | jelly | Piraty, neither dpkg not apt track file dependencies. They only track package dependencies, and the policy saves one from soname issues. Policy says "if SONAME changes, the package MUST change name," so then it's a different package, so it's coinstallable and does not conflict any more. |
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| 12:46.35 | jelly | only one package with same (name and architecture) can be installed at any one time |
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| 12:53.11 | EdePopede | Piraty: ls -ld /usr/lib/libsdate* |
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| 12:59.22 | lannowork | My internet keeps going down |
| 12:59.26 | lannowork | Irregularly |
| 12:59.41 | lannowork | Help plz |
| 12:59.48 | lannowork | Wlan and Lan both |
| 13:00.11 | lannowork | on debian kde testing |
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| 13:02.42 | Psil0Cybin | lannowork, what do you mean on debian kde testing? |
| 13:02.54 | Psil0Cybin | and what is going down your network-adapter? or network-manager? |
| 13:03.12 | lannowork | Just described my setup if relevant |
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| 13:03.28 | lannowork | It just shows 0b/s constant both ends |
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| 13:03.51 | lannowork | And sometimes spikes to normal levels |
| 13:03.59 | lannowork | Or sometimes works fluidly |
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| 13:04.32 | nt80 | any syslog messages? |
| 13:05.02 | lannowork | Where can i find them |
| 13:05.21 | Psil0Cybin | I found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/349167/debian-system-randomly-dissconnects-from-wifi |
| 13:05.24 | Psil0Cybin | if it helps you |
| 13:05.32 | nt80 | dmesg -c (as root) or tail -f /var/log/syslog (as root) |
| 13:05.54 | Psil0Cybin | guys quick question also if im using currently debian 9, and its working perfectly should i be in a rush to upgrade to debian 10 |
| 13:05.57 | Psil0Cybin | or can i wait a little longer? |
| 13:06.00 | Psil0Cybin | security wise? |
| 13:06.39 | Psil0Cybin | I am just worried to break my current install and configs and all thjat i know i can back them up but i am not in the mood to loose too muich right now but i also have been mia from my box bin a few months and know that 10 is the newest release. |
| 13:07.08 | nt80 | yeah there are some security issues that you should be worried about, like Intel CPU bugs related to transient execution attacks, debian 10 address them all with proper microcode updates |
| 13:07.10 | Psil0Cybin | like when is debian 9 not going to ber upported anymore |
| 13:07.17 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: debian 9 will be supported until 2022 by the LTS team |
| 13:07.29 | Psil0Cybin | ah dang okay your suggesting i do go ahead and upgrade. |
| 13:07.58 | Psil0Cybin | just upgrading seems a bit complex from the debian offical guide i thought i would just change sources and update? |
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| 13:08.37 | nt80 | yea, update & dist-upgrade, *normally* it won't break anything |
| 13:08.45 | nt80 | upgrade* |
| 13:08.48 | Psil0Cybin | and just change sources nt80 ? |
| 13:08.51 | nt80 | yea |
| 13:08.53 | Psil0Cybin | to the new 10 ones. |
| 13:08.55 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 13:10.01 | lannowork | I tried the suggested fix, modprobe isnt a command to me? |
| 13:10.54 | nt80 | you should still check syslog |
| 13:11.06 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, if you come back crying and we figure out you haven't read at least the important bits of the release notes, we're going to laugh at you |
| 13:11.22 | jelly | that's the price |
| 13:12.14 | lannowork | And i still dont know where it is |
| 13:13.23 | lannowork | And my tabs keep crashing from search engine requests ffs |
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| 13:14.51 | lannowork | Am i even online here or do i talk to myself |
| 13:14.53 | nt80 | well i even gave you the commands, but i guess they didn't work then |
| 13:15.19 | lannowork | Oh, sry, i missed them |
| 13:15.37 | Psil0Cybin | okay updating && fingers crosesed %% |
| 13:16.00 | lannowork | Whats needed to diagnose? |
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| 13:18.27 | lannowork | Heres some of it: https://paste.debian.net/1137563/ |
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| 13:21.29 | nt80 | lannowork it could be a wifi router's problem |
| 13:21.47 | lannowork | It isnt, it works on same debian testing on my laptop |
| 13:21.50 | lannowork | And phone |
| 13:21.56 | lannowork | Lan too for laptop |
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| 13:22.51 | trek00 | lannowork: may be this help? https://askubuntu.com/questions/465848/frequent-deauthentication-from-wifi-reason-6-in-a-centrino-advanced-n-6230-r |
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| 13:23.14 | lannowork | Well it only it was wifi, lan doesnt work too, ill try |
| 13:23.22 | lannowork | *if only |
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| 13:24.23 | nt80 | or this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=220809 |
| 13:26.58 | lannowork | I dont have the files described in first fix |
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| 13:28.17 | trek00 | lannowork: what it says this command? iw reg get |
| 13:28.19 | lannowork | Where are the fixes in the 2nd one? |
| 13:28.39 | lannowork | i alrdy did the iw get part and set it to my country |
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| 13:28.45 | trek00 | good |
| 13:28.48 | lannowork | I just dont have the files described later |
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| 13:29.14 | MrTrick | I've got a small farm of debian servers, I've got about 600 scripts that need to run, no special dependencies between them. Is there a good way to split the load between the servers? |
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| 13:29.32 | MrTrick | (one restriction: one server should only run one script at a time) |
| 13:29.55 | MrTrick | timing is variable, one server could be the "master" if that helps. |
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| 13:30.32 | lannowork | I dont get where the fixes are in the 2nd link |
| 13:30.43 | p4r4n0id | guys is any group on freenode to android like here 4 Debian? |
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| 13:32.17 | lannowork | nt80 Where are the fixes in your link? Seems only to be question |
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| 13:32.40 | nt80 | near red 'update' text |
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| 13:32.59 | lannowork | Oh, oops |
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| 13:33.02 | zumba_addict | annadane sponix did you see my update earlier? |
| 13:33.15 | lannowork | How do i update firmware ? |
| 13:33.27 | nt80 | it's quite normal that someone asks a question and respond to himself with solved :) |
| 13:33.47 | lannowork | K haha |
| 13:33.59 | lannowork | But still how do i update my firmware |
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| 13:35.05 | karlpinc | lannowork: The easy way is to install with the unofficial installer that includes non-free firmware. Otherwise you have to use apt. |
| 13:35.18 | karlpinc | lannowork: You need to enable the non-free repos to get non-free software. |
| 13:35.24 | nt80 | i think your wifi doesn't use non-free blobs thus no firmware update is needed |
| 13:35.31 | nt80 | since it's ath9k |
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| 13:36.06 | nt80 | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 13:36.16 | lannowork | So apt install ath9k? |
| 13:36.19 | karlpinc | apt-cache search ath9k |
| 13:36.31 | wnws | it's not an update. the firmware is loaded on every boot. |
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| 13:36.48 | karlpinc | apt install firmware-atheros (looks like) |
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| 13:37.00 | lannowork | Which one do i choose |
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| 13:37.05 | lannowork | atheros? |
| 13:37.13 | CrazyTux | where are the log files located? |
| 13:37.33 | nt80 | in /var/log normally |
| 13:37.37 | karlpinc | CrazyTux: Depends on where they were programmed/configured to go. Usually /var/log/. |
| 13:37.43 | lannowork | K, ill install atheros |
| 13:37.51 | CrazyTux | karlpinc, ok |
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| 13:38.11 | ikonia | CrazyTux: are you actually using debian |
| 13:38.13 | ikonia | or a varient |
| 13:38.18 | lannowork | Should i reboot now ? |
| 13:38.44 | CrazyTux | ikonia, a debian variant. |
| 13:38.46 | karlpinc | lannowork: Maybe. You can check the logs to see if it loaded. Or just reboot to keep it simple. |
| 13:38.55 | CrazyTux | ikonia, btw, how are you? |
| 13:39.17 | ikonia | CrazyTux: then you're in the wrong channel - as you've been told 100+ times |
| 13:39.26 | ikonia | CrazyTux: this channel doesn't support the variants |
| 13:39.36 | lannowork | Ok, ill reboot, hope ill be able to connect to irc |
| 13:39.46 | CrazyTux | btw, what could be the reason for debian login loop? |
| 13:39.53 | ikonia | CrazyTux: you're not using debian |
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| 13:40.00 | ikonia | CrazyTux: take it to the distro channel you're using |
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| 13:41.40 | lannowork | Hmm, seems fluid so far |
| 13:42.11 | lannowork | Can somebody suggest me a website that tests my down/up speed over some time to see if the speed is consisten? |
| 13:42.15 | luxeve_ | how do i turn off the message detailing information about the server, hostnames and kernel version when you log in? i've checked motd and issue, is there another file? |
| 13:42.15 | Haohmaru | pls contain your fluids ;P~ |
| 13:42.25 | trek00 | lannowork: speedtest.net |
| 13:42.41 | lannowork | Thx! |
| 13:42.50 | lannowork | And thx to all for the help earlier |
| 13:43.26 | trek00 | luxeve_: issue.net? :) |
| 13:44.05 | trek00 | luxeve_: but first, from which service do you want to remove server info? |
| 13:44.14 | luxeve_ | ssh |
| 13:44.21 | lannowork | Yay, seems to be stable, hope its not for just the test |
| 13:45.00 | luxeve_ | ssh config has no banner |
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| 13:46.19 | trek00 | luxeve_: it's inside /etc/update-motd.d/10-uname |
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| 13:46.51 | trek00 | luxeve_: you can comment that uname line |
| 13:46.57 | luxeve_ | ty! |
| 13:47.00 | luxeve_ | how'd you find that out? |
| 13:47.08 | trek00 | luxeve_: google :D |
| 13:47.19 | trek00 | luxeve_: searching sshd_config uname |
| 13:47.27 | luxeve_ | your googling is superior! :D |
| 13:47.34 | trek00 | ;) |
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| 13:48.04 | lannowork | Nope, not fixed |
| 13:48.07 | lannowork | Steam wont login |
| 13:48.11 | lannowork | Online banking wont load |
| 13:48.25 | lannowork | Latency Test Error on speedtest |
| 13:48.50 | trek00 | lannowork: check the logs, if the error messages are different |
| 13:48.53 | Haohmaru | wifi? |
| 13:49.46 | lannowork | whats the command for the logs again |
| 13:50.01 | Haohmaru | press up a few times? |
| 13:50.07 | trek00 | lannowork: tail /var/log/syslog |
| 13:50.42 | trek00 | lannowork: or better: tail -f /var/log/syslog and then try to connect and see realtime the logs |
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| 13:51.26 | lannowork | https://paste.debian.net/1137576/ |
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| 13:54.21 | lannowork | And no, its not wifi only, it lan too and both work on other devices, even with same debian kde testing |
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| 13:54.32 | lannowork | *its |
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| 13:55.15 | Haohmaru | * it's |
| 13:55.20 | joe42 | Where might one find a decent guide on tuning a filesystem on Debian? Google seemed to not provide much great info on that. |
| 13:55.22 | trek00 | lannowork: wifi is about issues, but not wired connection |
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| 13:56.03 | lannowork | I dont understand your sentence |
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| 13:56.22 | trek00 | lannowork: if the wired lan is not running fine, may be you have issues with your router or ISP |
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| 13:56.40 | lannowork | Well, as said, works on all the other devices |
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| 13:56.57 | trek00 | joe42: tuning for what? |
| 13:57.22 | trek00 | lannowork: try speetest on other devices |
| 13:57.30 | nt80 | could be the hardware issues at all not related to wifi |
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| 13:57.43 | nt80 | some incompatibility |
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| 13:58.10 | joe42 | Performance, I suppose. I am using it as a small home lab hypervisor (kvm) and wanted to see what I could do to speed up the vm performance, if anything at all. |
| 13:59.00 | nt80 | usually ath9k cards aren't ones giving those problems |
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| 13:59.55 | trek00 | joe42: may be this can point you to better resources https://cromwell-intl.com/open-source/performance-tuning/file-systems.html |
| 13:59.56 | lannowork | 12 ping, 19 mbps down, 10 up from my phone alone |
| 13:59.57 | nt80 | i have this chip (AR9287) on some laptop running debian 10 without any issues |
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| 14:00.43 | trek00 | lannowork: on the wired connection, what sort of issues do you have? there are error messages? |
| 14:00.56 | lannowork | And rn i again have 56 mbps.... from wired as i type.. |
| 14:01.29 | lannowork | No error messages, just goes to 0 occasionally, not stable |
| 14:01.51 | nt80 | i'd check the speed between the host in the same lan first instead of using speedtest |
| 14:01.54 | trek00 | lannowork: try another wire |
| 14:02.16 | lannowork | I dont have any other and this one works fine on my laptop |
| 14:02.32 | lannowork | How do i check the speed between host |
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| 14:03.23 | nt80 | do you have any other computer on the lan? running iperf3 between them may help in diagnosing the problem |
| 14:04.09 | lannowork | No, i dont |
| 14:04.52 | nt80 | an android phone? it has iperf i think |
| 14:05.20 | lannowork | Yes, but not per lan? |
| 14:05.30 | lannowork | As said, i also have a laptop |
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| 14:05.49 | nt80 | if they share the same router it's the same lan |
| 14:05.49 | lannowork | That works with debian testing with both lan and wlan |
| 14:06.12 | lannowork | Oh, didnt know the terminology |
| 14:06.22 | lannowork | So what should i type on my laptop |
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| 14:08.02 | nt80 | you just apt install iperf3 then run `iperf3 -s` on one side and `iperf3 -c IP_OF_OPPOSITE_SIDE` on another |
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| 14:09.41 | lannowork | where can i find my ip |
| 14:10.05 | nt80 | type `ip addr` as root |
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| 14:11.26 | lannowork | How do i know wich of the nubmers is my pc and what part of the text is it |
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| 14:12.46 | trek00 | lannowork: ip addr | grep inet | grep -v 127.0.0.1 | sed 's/\/.*//' |
| 14:13.25 | karlpinc | lannowork: You don't seem the kind of person that should be running testing. Testing breaks. (If you need a newer kernel you can install one from backports.debian.org.) |
| 14:13.56 | lannowork | Ok, i see 2 192. addresses, 1 is my pc i guess, ill go ahead and try |
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| 14:14.24 | Haohmaru | this is not the right channel for debian testing |
| 14:14.29 | Haohmaru | ..btw |
| 14:14.38 | trek00 | lannowork: you have 2 ip addresses, one for wifi and another for wired lan |
| 14:15.05 | lannowork | Oh, thx, ill try perf3 now |
| 14:15.14 | lannowork | *iperf3 |
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| 14:17.04 | lannowork | ok ill post from my laptop |
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| 14:17.27 | nt80 | make tests for both IPs |
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| 14:18.38 | lannowork | Can test lan, no 2nd cable and the one to my pc in lodged in wall |
| 14:18.51 | lannowork | *is |
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| 14:18.59 | lannowork | *Cant |
| 14:19.30 | lannoworklaptop | Heres wlan: https://paste.debian.net/1137581/ |
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| 14:20.52 | trek00 | lannowork it's seems running fine |
| 14:21.09 | lannowork | And my wifi flickers and just told me to reenter its pass |
| 14:21.17 | lannowork | Ye i can see it too |
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| 14:24.15 | nt80 | check if there are same 'CLASS2_FRAME_FROM_NONAUTH_STA' deauths that happen as before |
| 14:24.33 | nt80 | by checking dmesg / syslog |
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| 14:25.39 | lannowork | https://paste.debian.net/1137582/ |
| 14:26.04 | nt80 | so updating the firmware didn't help at all |
| 14:26.18 | lannowork | Seems so |
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| 14:26.57 | lannowork | Should i really just try to reinstall stable or is this a firmware thing anyway |
| 14:27.14 | nt80 | it is testing, right? |
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| 14:27.15 | lannowork | The install is semifresh, im not too attached to it |
| 14:27.18 | lannowork | Ye |
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| 14:27.32 | nt80 | yes try installing stable |
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| 14:27.48 | lannowork | Can someone link me the stable firmware netinst |
| 14:28.12 | nt80 | you don't need any firmware for this wifi chip |
| 14:28.24 | lannowork | But i will for my rx460 |
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| 14:29.38 | lannowork | Or where can i find it in debian downloads |
| 14:30.09 | nt80 | you output video through this video card? |
| 14:30.16 | lannowork | Yes |
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| 14:33.17 | trek00 | lannowork https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:33.55 | nt80 | yeah you'd need to craft a firmware source containing drivers from the `firmware-amd-graphics` package |
| 14:34.41 | lannowork | How? |
| 14:34.51 | nt80 | read the link |
| 14:35.06 | lannowork | Oh, oops, missed |
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| 14:36.01 | lannowork | Which ones of the amd64 do i choose? |
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| 14:36.57 | trek00 | lannowork https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.3.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:37.18 | lannowork | K, thx! |
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| 14:40.21 | lannowork | And for some reason it had no trouble downlaoding @6mb/s |
| 14:40.37 | lannowork | Ill be off installing, will report back |
| 14:40.50 | trek00 | lannowork it may be a network issue with your isp |
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| 14:59.27 | faceface_ | hello |
| 14:59.44 | faceface_ | I'm debugging apt on a server running MX 18.3 |
| 14:59.51 | faceface_ | I wish it wasn't, but it is |
| 15:00.05 | faceface_ | dpkg: error processing package python-pyparsing (--configure): |
| 15:00.05 | faceface_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.06 | dpkg | faceface_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:02.37 | faceface_ | https://termbin.com/9qe0 |
| 15:03.01 | faceface_ | should I ask in #apt? |
| 15:03.32 | faceface_ | I'm guessing someone mixed python native packages with apt packages... what's it called pip? |
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| 15:06.52 | trek00 | faceface_: if the installation is broken, as last chance you could try to uninstall all python packages and then reinstall it, but may be a long way |
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| 15:07.29 | faceface_ | It's complaining about missing module ConfigParser |
| 15:07.34 | faceface_ | So I'm trying to install that |
| 15:08.10 | trek00 | faceface_: i would reinstall too python2-minimal |
| 15:08.26 | faceface_ | trek00: with apt reinstall? |
| 15:08.48 | trek00 | yes |
| 15:08.54 | faceface_ | ta |
| 15:09.03 | somiaj | faceface_: does /usr/bin/python point to python2? |
| 15:09.04 | faceface_ | Just trying to stop, "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:09.11 | faceface_ | somiaj: no py3 |
| 15:09.25 | somiaj | that is the problem, on debian /usr/bin/python must point to python2 |
| 15:09.31 | somiaj | (well one of the problems) |
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| 15:09.42 | faceface_ | somiaj: I'm guessing someone had a 'bright idea' |
| 15:10.16 | somiaj | Yea, someone to lazy to type python3 or use correct shebangs on their scripts |
| 15:10.27 | faceface_ | heh |
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| 15:10.47 | han-solo | faceface_: yes, let's set system python to python3, and see what happens |
| 15:10.51 | faceface_ | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.7 1 |
| 15:10.58 | faceface_ | ? |
| 15:11.07 | somiaj | anyways, maybe debian will change its policy in the next relaese or two once python2 is completely eol and removed from debian |
| 15:11.30 | abrotman | faceface_: you should really ask the MXLinux folks |
| 15:11.37 | somiaj | faceface_: this is such a core link, it doesn't use teh alternatives system, just make the link point to python2, something like 'ln -fs python2 /usr/bin/python' |
| 15:11.49 | somiaj | oh this isn't even debian, yea don't listen to us, things maybe different in derivatives. |
| 15:12.01 | faceface_ | heh |
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| 15:12.55 | han-solo | faceface_: also, ask them to use an alias if they really want python to use python3, whoever that is |
| 15:13.33 | faceface_ | this does backout to etc/alternatives |
| 15:13.49 | faceface_ | /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python |
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| 15:14.12 | faceface_ | just set it to 2 with update-alternatives --config python and things seem better already |
| 15:14.13 | trek00 | faceface_: well it's different from debian |
| 15:14.22 | somiaj | faceface_: that is because it is not debian |
| 15:14.31 | cecchini | Hello, can i know debian testing channel. Thank you. |
| 15:14.31 | faceface_ | right |
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| 15:14.43 | faceface_ | problem is, there's 3 mx people on irc |
| 15:15.00 | faceface_ | is there an 'apt check everything for me pplease' option? |
| 15:15.08 | faceface_ | sudo dpkg --configure -a ? |
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| 15:15.15 | dvs | !tell cecchini about debian-next |
| 15:16.06 | cecchini | dvs thanks ! |
| 15:16.17 | faceface_ | what is the file that tells me I need to reboot? |
| 15:16.46 | dvs | np |
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| 15:18.39 | faceface_ | checkrestart is telling me more than I expected! |
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| 15:28.38 | faceface_ | BTW, just asked in ##linux, but got no response... can anyone recommend a VM 'manager' that lets me create and configure VMs usgin a web gui? |
| 15:31.40 | nt80 | the best would be creating one yourself or using proxmox because QEMU / KVM. Virtualbox isn't in Debian anymore but there is a handy 'phpvirtualbox' for it |
| 15:32.45 | ratrace | nt80: virt-manager? |
| 15:32.51 | ratrace | ,v virt-manager |
| 15:32.52 | teclo- | yeah virt-manager |
| 15:32.52 | judd | Package: virt-manager on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.0.1-5; stretch: 1:1.4.0-5; buster: 1:2.0.0-3; bullseye: 1:2.2.1-3; sid: 1:2.2.1-3 |
| 15:32.56 | nt80 | ratrace, it's not a web gui |
| 15:33.07 | ratrace | oh web... |
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| 15:33.25 | nt80 | virt manager is good anyway unless he needs web gui |
| 15:33.37 | ratrace | https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools |
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| 15:35.10 | nkuttler | nt80: virtualbox is in sid |
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| 15:36.01 | nt80 | thanks nkuttler didn't know. i've migrated completely to virt-manager anyway and it's better |
| 15:36.16 | nkuttler | yup, me too ;) |
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| 15:40.49 | faceface_ | thanks |
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| 15:41.28 | faceface_ | nt80: proxmox seems to want to be the OS |
| 15:42.11 | nt80 | yea it's not very convenient for small usage, you may check ratrace's link |
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| 15:43.25 | faceface_ | right, just looking at that now |
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| 15:44.46 | aleph- | Stupid question, is there an easy way to grab a Release file or find it's path via apt? Using a hosted service called packagecloud for storing our companies packages and it's... rather like a black box. A release file exists, but doesn't seem to be at the canonical path ./dists/DISTRO_RELEASE_NAME/Release |
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| 15:45.02 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys i upgraded debian from 9 to 10 after having lots of problems |
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| 15:45.04 | Psil0Cybin | i finally got into my system |
| 15:45.14 | Psil0Cybin | i use private internet access as a VPN but now i cannot run it and it gives me an error on start |
| 15:47.18 | jelly | ah yes, an error. |
| 15:47.21 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:47.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:47.41 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:47.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:48.20 | trek00 | aleph-: try to get InRelease on the same path |
| 15:48.32 | aleph- | Tried via curl. Get a 200 but no file. |
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| 15:50.11 | trek00 | aleph-: may be Release.gz? |
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| 15:50.44 | trek00 | aleph-: may be this help https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Format |
| 15:50.57 | aleph- | Yeah I'm looking over that page already |
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| 15:58.47 | antivirys | hello there |
| 15:58.50 | antivirys | i have questions |
| 15:59.02 | trek00 | just ask |
| 15:59.13 | antivirys | i wanna install proxmox in lxc containers |
| 15:59.16 | antivirys | its possible |
| 15:59.24 | antivirys | because i dont try |
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| 16:00.27 | jelly | antivirys, proxmox is rather intrusive, once you install all of its components we can't really support such a system in this channel |
| 16:00.32 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 16:00.33 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 16:01.37 | antivirys | dude |
| 16:01.42 | antivirys | there dont have people |
| 16:01.45 | antivirys | i use Debian |
| 16:01.47 | jelly | best ask proxmoxy things in one of those places |
| 16:02.00 | antivirys | and i install lxc container |
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| 16:02.10 | antivirys | i use lxc container to install proxmox |
| 16:02.23 | antivirys | to office security ? |
| 16:02.37 | jelly | I don't think you can install it _inside_ a lxc container. It's supposed to run on a host. |
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| 16:03.06 | jelly | still, ask them if it's possible; I'm just making an educated guess based on what it does. |
| 16:03.40 | jelly | be patient, small channels can take days for an answer |
| 16:04.01 | antivirys | okay |
| 16:04.03 | antivirys | i understand |
| 16:04.09 | antivirys | i try :) |
| 16:04.13 | antivirys | thanks |
| 16:04.13 | antivirys | ;] |
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| 16:04.53 | antivirys | and who is best web cli to Virtual Machines in Cloud ? |
| 16:05.08 | antivirys | i have Debian server |
| 16:05.32 | Boohbah | antivirys: Why do you want to do that? Proxmox is a frontend for LXC, OpenVZ (containers) or KVM (hypervisor) different forms of virtualization. Putting a container in a container is probably not what you want. |
| 16:05.59 | Boohbah | antivirys: You could put a LXC container inside a KVM. |
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| 16:07.30 | antivirys | it's good decisions ? |
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| 16:08.33 | antivirys | because i wann web cli |
| 16:08.35 | antivirys | :) |
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| 16:11.49 | Psil0Cybin | hey anyone here using private internet access |
| 16:11.53 | Psil0Cybin | on debian 10 cannot get the app to start up? |
| 16:12.01 | Psil0Cybin | tossed into Private Internet Access Error window |
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| 16:12.43 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: what error messages? |
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| 16:14.28 | Psil0Cybin | it just gives me an error trek00 suggesting it can start in safe mode or restart PIA |
| 16:14.37 | Psil0Cybin | but wont restart than gives me a dump files and options to submit a ticket |
| 16:14.40 | Psil0Cybin | but the PIA guys have no idea |
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| 16:14.48 | Psil0Cybin | I manually uninstalled it removing all config files and reinstalled it and still nothing |
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| 16:15.26 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: it's really hard to debug without error messages |
| 16:16.19 | Yohkii | Always just works right outta the box for me. Did you grab all the dependencies? |
| 16:17.08 | Psil0Cybin | https://imgur.com/0BzKEQ2 |
| 16:17.13 | Psil0Cybin | that is what im getting |
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| 16:17.31 | Psil0Cybin | what dependencies would i be missing? since I just upgraded from Debian 9 (having it work) to Debian 10 (it not working now) |
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| 16:18.20 | jelly | that's absolutely useless to anyone except the app developer |
| 16:18.52 | Yohkii | Yeah, it don't tell you anything except it fucked up |
| 16:18.57 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, can you enable debug mode as the dialog suggests and send them that |
| 16:19.02 | Yohkii | Try grabbing the .deb file |
| 16:19.06 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: you could try to enable debug in the application settings |
| 16:19.26 | Psil0Cybin | how do i enable debug mode in the application settings if i cannot start the application |
| 16:19.31 | Psil0Cybin | and i am brought to this window immedetly. |
| 16:19.38 | jelly | hah |
| 16:19.47 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: read Yohkii suggestions |
| 16:19.53 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, which desktop environment are you using? Gnome? |
| 16:20.01 | sponix2ipfw | ,v xfwm4 |
| 16:20.02 | judd | Package: xfwm4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1-3; stretch: 4.12.4-1; buster: 4.12.5-1; bullseye: 4.14.0-2; sid: 4.14.0-2 |
| 16:20.04 | Psil0Cybin | Xfce4 |
| 16:20.09 | Psil0Cybin | buster |
| 16:20.17 | jelly | so you're not in Wayland |
| 16:20.28 | Psil0Cybin | what do you mean jelly? |
| 16:20.32 | sponix2ipfw | Damn |
| 16:20.49 | Psil0Cybin | blah this got me super confused |
| 16:21.03 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, there are two different ways to get a GUI on Linux now, old Xorg and new Wayland |
| 16:21.04 | Psil0Cybin | the only problem i have after upgrading :( LOL |
| 16:21.07 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: try do download and install again PIA package |
| 16:21.16 | jelly | some apps don't work well with Wayland |
| 16:21.18 | Psil0Cybin | i did i removed it and tried reinstalling it 3 times |
| 16:21.23 | Psil0Cybin | same issue |
| 16:21.31 | Psil0Cybin | do you think i should remove it, delete configs, restart computer than install it? |
| 16:21.49 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, what happens if you create a fresh new user, then log in as that new user and try PIA? |
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| 16:22.39 | jelly | completely log off as normal user before logging in as freshly created clean user |
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| 16:24.35 | Psil0Cybin | i dont know i didnt think users would have a rpoblem |
| 16:24.43 | Psil0Cybin | i thought i might have just beeen missing a package after upgrading to 10 |
| 16:24.44 | Psil0Cybin | from 9 |
| 16:25.21 | Yohkii | Did you upgrade with fresh install or just upgrading sources and doing full-upgrade? |
| 16:25.23 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: to try with a new user it's to make sure that there are no user configuration files conflicting with your software |
| 16:25.57 | Psil0Cybin | upgraded sources and doing full upgrade |
| 16:25.59 | Psil0Cybin | Yohkii, |
| 16:26.07 | Psil0Cybin | and i followed this guide to uninstall aand reinstall PIA |
| 16:26.07 | Psil0Cybin | https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/helpdesk/guides/linux/uninstall-3/linux-uninstalling-the-pia-app-through-the-terminal#step-2-terminal. |
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| 16:26.54 | Yohkii | Okay... I'd double-check if everything is the way it should be in sources.list and try doing a apt update to see if it complains about anything |
| 16:28.27 | Psil0Cybin | deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 16:28.27 | Psil0Cybin | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
| 16:28.27 | Psil0Cybin | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 16:28.27 | Psil0Cybin | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 16:28.29 | Psil0Cybin | i got those woops sorry |
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| 16:28.32 | Yohkii | If it just don't wanna you could run the vpn through openvpn setup, might be less of a hassle than debugging the app |
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| 16:28.47 | jelly | given that their "uninstallation" method is "sudo rm -rf /opt/piavpn" I don't think they have ANY sort of package management in place |
| 16:30.41 | Yohkii | It used to be better before they starting saying "we only support ubuntu" for whatever reason. Can't find the old .deb files and stuff there used to be without googling my ass off |
| 16:31.26 | Psil0Cybin | ugh |
| 16:31.29 | Psil0Cybin | so i dunnno what to do |
| 16:31.49 | Psil0Cybin | i dont feel like creating a new user, i might just try restarting now that i completely uninstalled and removed all files |
| 16:31.53 | Psil0Cybin | and reinstalling it and hoping it works |
| 16:31.57 | Psil0Cybin | ? |
| 16:32.10 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: may be, try it |
| 16:32.25 | Psil0Cybin | ok lets see. |
| 16:32.36 | jelly | if you reinstalled three times, why would you think things might be diff... eh |
| 16:32.58 | trek00 | may be PIA was not killed? |
| 16:33.06 | jelly | > i dont feel like creating a new user # wtf |
| 16:33.24 | sponix2ipfw | apt is SO Nice |
| 16:33.28 | jelly | "sudo adduser" is not that hard to type |
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| 16:34.12 | sponix2ipfw | jelly: does it count as a real fix if it involves downgrading one specific package and holding that version instead of waiting for an patch/upgrade ? |
| 16:34.29 | jelly | sponix2ipfw, I have no idea which issue you're talking about, sorry |
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| 16:37.21 | sponix2ipfw | jelly: yeah, I haven't said. Because it is xfwm4 4.14 having a cpu race with composition on. And my specific issues is related to MX Linux. Buster uses 4.12 - I guess it likely effects Sid also (not where my packages came from on this one though) |
| 16:38.03 | annadane | affects* :D |
| 16:38.07 | jelly | I don't want to comment here on appropriate way to fix something in sid. |
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| 16:38.27 | jelly | some things that work for sid are things that will break a stable. |
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| 16:39.12 | jelly | sponix2ipfw, least worst place for that would be #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 16:39.33 | jelly | but it'd be better if you asked the mxlinux people |
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| 16:40.39 | Psil0Cybin | nope |
| 16:40.49 | Psil0Cybin | not even version 1.7 works ....same exact window Error message |
| 16:40.55 | Psil0Cybin | nothing in error logs, no information |
| 16:41.09 | sponix2ipfw | jelly: Yeah... I could do the package from Sid, and see if it has the same issue. and if so see about them helping find a fix. There is already a bug report on bugzilla for xfce though. https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15889 |
| 16:41.41 | sponix2ipfw | jelly: for right now though. what I did was downgrade xfwm4 to the Buster "stable" one, and tell apt to HOLD that version ;) |
| 16:42.09 | jelly | yeah, I don't want to know about that (at least not in here) |
| 16:42.14 | trek00 | sponix2ipfw: i think this is a good workaround if it works |
| 16:42.36 | sponix2ipfw | trek00: yeah... I will know for sure when I get home. I'm remote at work right now :) |
| 16:42.59 | sponix2ipfw | trek00: if it doesn't cpu race, and start to cause my system to lag switching desktops and apps -- then it is a real fix :) |
| 16:44.13 | jelly | sponix2ipfw, when I use xfce I usually do NOT use its compositor, but compton instead |
| 16:44.14 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: you should ask again to the official support of PIA, at least how to enable debug logs and see what it's going on |
| 16:44.33 | Psil0Cybin | i am able to install a very old legacy versio nof it and get it working |
| 16:44.35 | Psil0Cybin | so strange !!!! |
| 16:44.41 | Psil0Cybin | but the newest version wont work |
| 16:44.48 | Psil0Cybin | i went legacy and now it started u p the application perfectly. |
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| 16:45.47 | sponix2ipfw | jelly: I must not be looking at the right spot, or it is changed in MX. But I only have a composition on/off check box now. I do remember seeing that prior though. And using compton I think is what jacked up my OBS recording ability :) |
| 16:46.05 | Psil0Cybin | yea now updating it back to 1.8 causes the same error |
| 16:46.10 | Psil0Cybin | i basically have to stick to version 0.8 |
| 16:46.12 | Psil0Cybin | what on earth |
| 16:46.18 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: report that to the support, may be they will be able to fix on the next releases |
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| 16:49.19 | Yohkii | sponix2ipfw I'm running MX patito feo, and it just works out of the box |
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| 16:52.39 | Yohkii | Compton just generally seems to work better for me when playing video. Sometimes would get stutter with xfce |
| 16:52.45 | u53r_4n0n_10 | I forgot to say that I have found what's was the problem with mine sound: were the files, not the programs. I found a cable of an old MP4, copy the files, and play it without problems. Thanks. |
| 16:53.09 | trek00 | u53r_4n0n_10: good! :) |
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| 17:05.33 | lordmango | so I fucked up - I accidentally delete Network Manager by deleting network-manager-gnome, how do I connect to the internet to reinstall network-manager-gnome - I have wifi and the live usb at my disposal |
| 17:06.21 | sney | lordmango: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse the "command line" section will get you up and running |
| 17:06.39 | sney | (there are also some n-m alternatives in case you didn't like something about network manager.) |
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| 17:07.43 | somiaj | lordmango: If the live usb is connected to the internet, you can mount/chroot into your system and then just apt install network manager back (as an alteriative to using the interfaces file or some cli way to setup the network) |
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| 17:09.17 | lordmango | thanks somiaj I'm trying the live-usb route |
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| 17:10.05 | Psil0Cybin | ok |
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| 17:10.11 | Psil0Cybin | so legacy pia v82 is only thing that works |
| 17:10.16 | Psil0Cybin | no new version works on debian 10 wow strange |
| 17:10.17 | Psil0Cybin | as f |
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| 17:13.43 | zumba_addict | annadane: this still failed on our real server - apt remove -f postgresql-client-9.6 |
| 17:14.40 | annadane | :( |
| 17:14.42 | annadane | any output? |
| 17:15.06 | annadane | also did you simulate it with aptitude to see what it would actually remove if you let it do it? |
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| 17:15.44 | zumba_addict | yes, i also tried aptitude, same output from last night |
| 17:15.54 | p4r4n0i34 | I have critical situation with one phone. Anyone can hp me? |
| 17:16.11 | annadane | p4r4n0i34, what's the issue? |
| 17:16.27 | zumba_addict | from real server - https://bpaste.net/N2RQ |
| 17:16.33 | p4r4n0i34 | I muat do Google bypass |
| 17:16.54 | annadane | p4r4n0i34, is your question debian related? |
| 17:17.00 | zumba_addict | should I manually remove libpq5 and postgres-client? |
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| 17:17.14 | annadane | i would say so, yes |
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| 17:17.40 | p4r4n0i34 | ohh sorry i missed two chats i thought i write to android chat Channel sorry |
| 17:17.52 | annadane | no problem |
| 17:17.59 | zumba_addict | aptitude remove libpq5 output - https://bpaste.net/I5NA |
| 17:18.50 | zumba_addict | apt remove -f failed - https://bpaste.net/XIHA |
| 17:18.55 | annadane | if aptitude wants to remove stuff you don't want to keep, and you do want to remove everything postgresql from what i understand, you can just let it do that |
| 17:19.06 | annadane | instead of removing one at a time and potentially running into dependency issues |
| 17:19.12 | annadane | but just do read the output carefully |
| 17:19.18 | zumba_addict | ok |
| 17:19.21 | p4r4n0i34 | and can you tell me is anyone chat similiar to #debian with android hackers? |
| 17:19.39 | trek00 | zumba_addict: try apt remove libpq5 postgresql-client ostgresql-client-9.6 |
| 17:19.48 | annadane | p4r4n0i34, #android-root? |
| 17:19.51 | zumba_addict | cool |
| 17:20.00 | p4r4n0i34 | Thank you annadene |
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| 17:20.53 | zumba_addict | wow trek00, that did it! :D |
| 17:21.26 | annadane | we've determined that removing what you want to remove isn't going to nuke half the packages on your system so there isn't a lot that can go wrong as long as you do pay attention to the output |
| 17:21.59 | zumba_addict | ok, installing artifactory package now that is currently running. Is it ideal to stop the artifactory service first? |
| 17:22.13 | zumba_addict | yep annadane, thank you |
| 17:22.34 | annadane | re: artifactory i don't know |
| 17:23.22 | zumba_addict | i'll stop. i think that's how i did it last time |
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| 17:24.10 | annadane | you should also open a ticket to get off jessie soon and at least onto stretch :P |
| 17:24.33 | annadane | doesn't know a lot about which packages are supported under LTS or what jessie's timeframe for that is |
| 17:24.45 | annadane | !jessie-lts |
| 17:24.45 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 17:24.55 | annadane | okay, well. |
| 17:25.05 | annadane | 2 1/2 months-ish |
| 17:26.12 | zumba_addict | will `apt-get install` know an existing package is installed? |
| 17:27.15 | annadane | you can check if a package is installed via dpkg -l <package> |
| 17:27.30 | annadane | or well, i guess apt-cache policy <package> too |
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| 17:27.53 | zumba_addict | i mean, i'm installing now. Will it know it needs to remove old one? |
| 17:28.08 | annadane | not if they don't conflict |
| 17:28.14 | annadane | i'm not sure which packages you're referring to |
| 17:28.16 | zumba_addict | it's good!!!!! :D |
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| 17:28.30 | zumba_addict | i only see the one I installed with dpkg -l |
| 17:28.32 | zumba_addict | woohoo!!! |
| 17:29.09 | zumba_addict | thank you annadane and trek00 :D |
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| 17:30.21 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html section 7.2 |
| 17:30.26 | annadane | is useful to read |
| 17:30.36 | annadane | well, 7.2 on onwards |
| 17:30.49 | annadane | you know what just read the page. :P |
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| 17:31.09 | annadane | 7.2 and onwards* |
| 17:32.23 | zumba_addict | cool, will do |
| 17:32.33 | zumba_addict | check this out - https://bpaste.net/PFWQ |
| 17:32.51 | zumba_addict | why does it include the deb9? that might be the culprit before |
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| 17:33.49 | zumba_addict | i guess i should install it this way `apt-get install postgresql-client=9.4+165+deb8u4` Correct? |
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| 17:35.19 | annadane | you want to install postgre from jessie? |
| 17:35.23 | zumba_addict | yes |
| 17:35.37 | zumba_addict | but found out there is already a binary psql installed |
| 17:35.44 | annadane | apt -t jessie install postgresql-client, i think |
| 17:36.08 | zumba_addict | It's ok. I don't need it anymore. However, how do we find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 17:36.23 | zumba_addict | i want to check /usr/bin/psql |
| 17:36.45 | annadane | apt-file |
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| 17:41.35 | greatgatsby | dpkg -S /usr/bin/psql (if it's installed) |
| 17:41.35 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/psql (if it's installed): Status: install ok installed |
| 17:41.44 | greatgatsby | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.47 | greatgatsby | :-P |
| 17:41.52 | annadane | dpkg, shut up |
| 17:41.52 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 17:41.58 | Krock | Good day :) I'm having troubles finding the official repository build scripts used for the package "minetest". Are those public, and where could I find them? |
| 17:42.07 | greatgatsby | hehehe |
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| 17:42.26 | Krock | Reason for my question is a strange build parameter used in debian-backports for said package |
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| 17:48.32 | zumba_addict | thank you all |
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| 17:49.53 | zumba_addict | annadane: sorry, was in a meeting. I don't have apt-file |
| 17:51.14 | annadane | greatgatsby's advice is more useful in this context |
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| 17:52.30 | zumba_addict | here it is - postgresql-client-common: /usr/bin/psql |
| 17:52.37 | zumba_addict | it's a deb9 package :( |
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| 17:52.56 | zumba_addict | i haven't tried if the binary still executes |
| 17:53.31 | zumba_addict | ah it doesn't start anymore, it needs postgtes-client |
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| 17:55.32 | zumba_addict | this should be safe to remove right? https://bpaste.net/UCUA |
| 17:55.55 | zumba_addict | then I'll install a new one |
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| 17:58.03 | annadane | it just removes that, so, yes, probably. :P |
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| 17:59.15 | zumba_addict | all is fixed! :D |
| 17:59.40 | zumba_addict | btw, aptitude remove postgres-client-common never prompted. LOL. It deleted it right away |
| 18:00.16 | zumba_addict | why it didn't ask me? |
| 18:00.34 | annadane | did it just remove the one package? |
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| 18:01.14 | zumba_addict | yes, one package only |
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| 18:02.09 | annadane | i think with apt, if you install/remove one single package then it doesn't prompt, perhaps aptitude is the same |
| 18:02.12 | zumba_addict | so `aptitude remove` only prompts when there are more than 1 package that will be removed? |
| 18:02.19 | annadane | it should, yes |
| 18:02.29 | annadane | i don't fully understand the behavior |
| 18:02.34 | zumba_addict | got it |
| 18:03.06 | zumba_addict | last night, I ran `dpkg -l | grep deb9`, there were 4 lines :D Now, it's blank. It's clean :) |
| 18:03.20 | zumba_addict | -t jessie worked too |
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| 18:03.58 | annadane | i gave you a metapackage so i suppose -t jessie ought to have installed both the metapackage and the actual thing it points to, it was actually i think a stupid suggestion |
| 18:04.23 | annadane | you can specify version numbers for the actual package and i didn't remember that or how to do that |
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| 18:07.54 | ottomang7 | I was told to ask the following in here:https://askubuntu.com/questions/1222933/dual-boot-windows-with-ubuntu-using-uefi-and-not-modifying-the-mbrt-modifying-t... |
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| 18:08.21 | Psil0Cybin | guys so private internet access only works legacy version i seem to have issues with anything else |
| 18:08.44 | Psil0Cybin | last error code i get is [default][fatal] Could not initialize GLX |
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| 18:09.42 | sney | pia is just an openvpn wrapper. if you just want to use that vpn provider, you can use the openvpn plugin for network-manager. #debian doesn't support 3rd party software though, so if you need to use their client, you need to get support from them directly |
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| 18:12.54 | p4r4n0id | boop |
| 18:14.09 | jelly | dpkg, poke p4r4n0id |
| 18:14.10 | dpkg | pokes p4r4n0id with a dildo |
| 18:14.39 | luna_ | lewd |
| 18:14.57 | jelly | dpkg, literal cmd: poke (.*?) |
| 18:14.57 | dpkg | "cmd: poke (.*?)" is "($1): <action>pokes $1 with a (stick|cattle prod|dildo|severed Red Hat user's finger)" |
| 18:15.57 | p4r4n0id | :D |
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| 18:19.49 | sussudio | so... my ISP decided to get rid of homepage space by tomorrow, so no more debstats. |
| 18:19.59 | jelly | oh noes |
| 18:20.19 | jelly | maybe it's an april's fools |
| 18:20.28 | sussudio | also, their usenet server. |
| 18:20.42 | sussudio | because "nobody uses them", which is a lie. |
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| 18:21.11 | jelly | I've absorbed the remaining 100-200 users of usenet of our parent company into our server a year or two ago |
| 18:22.09 | jelly | apparently 0.01% is nobody, even if cost of maintaining the service is basically 4 hours of dist-upgrade every two years |
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| 18:22.55 | dreamer | hmm, I have a package that I had installed from apt before, then I removed it and installed a self-compiled version with checkinstall. now apt wants to install the version from the repos again. how do I prevent this? |
| 18:23.04 | dreamer | (and why is it doing it in the first place? o.O) |
| 18:23.12 | sney | !equivs |
| 18:23.12 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 18:23.54 | jelly | sussudio, what do you need apart from a shell and static web to host those? |
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| 18:24.49 | sussudio | i just need ftp access |
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| 18:27.20 | jelly | would sftp be palatable |
| 18:27.51 | sussudio | if ftp-upload supports that |
| 18:28.01 | karlpinc | (Because ftp is a nightmare from a network admin perspective.) |
| 18:28.13 | karlpinc | sussudio: What is ftp-upload? |
| 18:28.23 | sussudio | it's a package |
| 18:28.42 | sussudio | automates ftp uploads. |
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| 18:30.08 | jelly | if you generate stuff locally you can just run rsync over ssh to copy a whole directory structure |
| 18:31.58 | sussudio | i've never used rsync before. |
| 18:32.18 | karlpinc | sussudio: There is also scp. That works ok for individual files. But rsync over ssh is best for most network copy operations. |
| 18:32.18 | sussudio | i wonder if anyone even looks at debstats, ever. |
| 18:32.48 | karlpinc | sussudio: rsync is just cp with way too many options. |
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| 18:35.15 | Psil0Cybin | hey jelly etc everyone who tried to hel pme |
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| 18:35.18 | Psil0Cybin | i finally got it to display an error log |
| 18:35.19 | Psil0Cybin | https://pastebin.com/rdR7R7vq |
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| 18:36.09 | Psil0Cybin | what is [2020-03-31 17:50:22.022][b96c][default][fatal] Could not initialize GLX? |
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| 18:37.22 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, missing 3d acceleration, in theory |
| 18:37.37 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, which gpu card do you have? |
| 18:37.45 | Krasauskas | could it be missing some qt library for glx? |
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| 18:39.02 | jelly | Psil0Cybin, and did you try running as a clean new user? |
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| 19:03.26 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: may be it is compiled with newer libqt/glx not available on debian? |
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| 19:09.57 | user | if I install jitsi conferencing server in a KVM host might it work as if it was on baremetal ? |
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| 19:18.22 | JordiGH | I think libatk is crashing my Libreoffice. |
| 19:18.38 | JordiGH | It also shows up when my Firefox crashes. |
| 19:19.07 | JordiGH | I've got it installed from backports. But when I try to downgrade it to stable, apt wants to remove a bunch of other packages. |
| 19:19.26 | JordiGH | How can I tell what dependency requires libatk from backports? |
| 19:19.41 | user | looks like would need a lets encrypt certificate, to run E2E server behind NAT hmmm |
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| 19:23.17 | wnws | JordiGH: aptitude search '?archive(buster-backports) ?depends(libatk_package_name)' |
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| 19:24.56 | JordiGH | Hm, that's giving me results like libreoffice which is firmly in buster for me. |
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| 19:28.56 | Psil0Cybin | jelly, i have a nvdia something rather i forgot at this point |
| 19:29.02 | Psil0Cybin | and i did not try running as a clean user |
| 19:29.07 | Psil0Cybin | should i? would it make a difference? |
| 19:29.33 | u53r_4n0n_10 | Hi |
| 19:30.14 | robito | hey guys, having a bit of trouble updating my kernel. i'm trying to go from 3.14 up to 4.19 but can't quite figure it out, i've tried apt update && upgrading, even tried apt-get installing it which looked like it was working however after a reboot its still on 3.14... anything stupid i might be missing? |
| 19:30.22 | u53r_4n0n_10 | I have Debian Buster i386, and I want to see what are the options for virtualization. |
| 19:31.12 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @robito What you did? Did you compiled the kernel properly? |
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| 19:32.17 | robito | u53r_4n0n_10, no i didnt do any compiling myself do i need to? i just did apt-get install linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64 |
| 19:32.39 | u53r_4n0n_10 | Oh |
| 19:32.44 | wnws | which debian release? |
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| 19:33.07 | robito | im on 10.3 now, just upgraded from 8 a few days ago |
| 19:33.27 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @robito then what's the problem? |
| 19:33.57 | robito | i want to be on linux kernel 4.19 however i am still on 3.14 |
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| 19:34.22 | wnws | Does /vmlinuz point to 4.19? |
| 19:34.38 | wnws | Does /boot/grub/grub.cfg 's menuentry use vmlinuz? |
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| 19:36.15 | Boodie | Has anybody got experience with usb sound interfaces? |
| 19:36.24 | Psil0Cybin | im assuming from the log that it might be my GPU? or grahics and a new user wont really make a difference if im removing all old config files |
| 19:36.32 | Psil0Cybin | [2020-03-31 17:50:22.022][b96c][default][fatal] Could not initialize GLX ** is what the VPN program is spitting out |
| 19:36.37 | Psil0Cybin | so thats super strange |
| 19:36.51 | Psil0Cybin | after updating from debian 9 and 10 i had a problem with LUKS encryption but fixedc that problem |
| 19:36.55 | Psil0Cybin | and now this is the only issue i have left. |
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| 19:37.37 | rozie | Boodie: ask a real question? |
| 19:37.48 | lpest | cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep vmlinuz |
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| 19:38.16 | rozie | it happend to me to use some USB sound cards, if this is what you |
| 19:38.23 | rozie | are asking for |
| 19:38.41 | robito | lpest, just about to ask, thx |
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| 19:38.55 | robito | wnws, it seems to be pointing to both 3 and 4 |
| 19:39.02 | robito | ill pastebin one sec |
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| 19:39.32 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 19:39.32 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, so what do you suggest |
| 19:39.33 | Psil0Cybin | i do |
| 19:39.45 | Psil0Cybin | <trek00> Psil0Cybin: may be it is compiled with newer libqt/glx not available on debian? *** debian 10 vs debian 9? |
| 19:39.48 | Psil0Cybin | worked fine in debian 9. |
| 19:39.51 | neilthereildeil | im having trouble correlating the debian xen package to a specific commit ID in the xen git tree |
| 19:40.01 | neilthereildeil | xl info shows: xen_version : 4.11.4-pre |
| 19:40.17 | Boodie | Ok, I am struggling with a Scarlett 2i2 and Audacity. It worked 1 hour ago, left the desktop on, came back and it sees the interface as an input device Audacity does not see the interface anymore as an output device not sending back the signal to the headphones |
| 19:40.18 | neilthereildeil | how do i know which commit in the xen tree this xen_verion maps to? |
| 19:40.20 | robito | wnws, https://pastebin.com/ZwEbKMPd |
| 19:41.33 | rozie | Boodie: take a look on dmesg first |
| 19:41.40 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: i think you should send these error messages to the PIA support, so they can fix the issues on the next release |
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| 19:42.09 | rozie | then, you can try to unplug it and plug it again and see if this helps |
| 19:42.15 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: in the meantime use the old version |
| 19:44.54 | rozie | if replug helps, there is a chance it's some powersaving feature |
| 19:45.48 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @robito Well, I've found with apt search, a package named "ketchup" |
| 19:46.33 | neilthereildeil | any ideas guys? |
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| 19:47.06 | f8e4 | what is this: -rw-r----- 1 root ssl-cert 1704 Mar 30 19:34 ssl-c... # ssl-cert column? |
| 19:47.17 | f8e4 | and how to set with chmod |
| 19:47.33 | f8e4 | $ sudo chmod root:ssl-cert /etc/... |
| 19:47.36 | trek00 | neilthereildeil: xen does not have version 4.11.4? |
| 19:47.50 | neilthereildeil | no |
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| 19:48.02 | neilthereildeil | trek00: i also dont know what the -pre means |
| 19:48.06 | trek00 | neilthereildeil: where is the git tree? |
| 19:48.22 | neilthereildeil | i see a reference to -pre here though: http://xen.1045712.n5.nabble.com/xen-stable-4-11-update-Xen-version-to-4-11-4-pre-td5749221.html |
| 19:48.49 | trek00 | f8e4: root is user ssl-cert is group |
| 19:48.58 | neilthereildeil | trek00: https://xenbits.xen.org/git-http/xen.git |
| 19:49.39 | robito | u53r_4n0n_10, ok maybe ill give ketchup a try thanks |
| 19:49.48 | f8e4 | trek00 how to set it? |
| 19:50.41 | trek00 | neilthereildeil: it seems 4.11.4 is not yet released |
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| 19:51.03 | neilthereildeil | trek00: then how did the debian maintainers create this package? |
| 19:51.22 | trek00 | f8e4: you must use chown for user and group |
| 19:51.33 | f8e4 | dang yes :) |
| 19:52.00 | Psil0Cybin | okay trek00 |
| 19:52.13 | Psil0Cybin | i also have another problem launching my pycharm i noticed updating from debian 9 to debian 10 |
| 19:52.18 | Psil0Cybin | was a bad call on my end broke alot of things |
| 19:52.42 | Psil0Cybin | right now my pycharm is saying that python has no packing tools installed |
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| 19:53.00 | Rambo | Hello |
| 19:53.01 | Psil0Cybin | how do i fix this after updating my machine from debian 9 to debian 10 having it working previously. |
| 19:53.01 | trek00 | neilthereildeil: may be they cherry-picked some commits from staging-4.11 tree |
| 19:53.22 | Rambo | Could someone help me figure what is the Linux Mint Freenode channel please? |
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| 19:53.33 | annadane | !mint |
| 19:53.33 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 19:53.44 | annadane | well that isn't very helpful. |
| 19:54.05 | annadane | Rambo, ##linuxmint |
| 19:54.18 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @robito Wait. I recommend to you, if you could read docs, pdf, etc., about compilation of a kernel (on your language or English). |
| 19:54.31 | Rambo | dpkg thank you!!! |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | no worries, Rambo |
| 19:54.38 | u53r_4n0n_10 | & its importance |
| 19:54.55 | annadane | you're talking to a bot, and also, that channel listed by dpkg isn't on freenode like you asked (but you can of course go there anyway) |
| 19:55.30 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: please paste the exact error message, or my googling will be not useful |
| 19:55.54 | u53r_4n0n_10 | !dpkg |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 19:56.04 | Rambo | annadane yes, I get it. Already there. Thank you. |
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| 19:59.43 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, https://pastebin.com/U84FdFCu |
| 20:00.00 | wnws | annadane: oftc's one has the maintainers and the real knowledge, freenode's one is not much active and just for convenience towards the freenode users |
| 20:00.02 | Psil0Cybin | it completely sees my python versions in pycharm but it cannot install any libs, or keeps giving me that error. |
| 20:00.04 | Psil0Cybin | i never saw this before :P |
| 20:00.13 | robito | u53r_4n0n_10, thanks i will do |
| 20:00.26 | wnws | annadane: sorry, I meant spotchat's one has the maintainers |
| 20:01.13 | annadane | yeah fair enough it's just that op asked for freenode and so i just... if they wanted freenode specifically, wanted to add a disclaimer |
| 20:01.16 | annadane | i'm very stupid |
| 20:01.29 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: sorry i don't even know what is pycharm |
| 20:01.51 | Psil0Cybin | its a python IDE |
| 20:02.05 | Psil0Cybin | how can i check after updating debian from 9 to 10 that python is still configured properly. |
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| 20:02.14 | Psil0Cybin | or should i reinstall python to fix this? |
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| 20:03.34 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: may be try to reinstall pycharm? may be it depends on specific versions of python? |
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| 20:05.19 | dvs | I thought Debian 10 uses Python 3 which has some compatibility issues with Python 2 |
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| 20:06.24 | trek00 | dvs: here i have pyton2.7 and 3.7, but python links to pyton2.7 |
| 20:06.28 | trek00 | (buster) |
| 20:07.23 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @trek00 How? |
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| 20:07.58 | wnws | annadane: giving info to those who ask for help is never stupidity. The factoid could mention the freenode channel or not, it's just a choice |
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| 20:08.34 | wnws | dvs: debian 10 uses both, they are designed to coexist |
| 20:08.48 | dvs | ok |
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| 20:09.03 | dvs | !start a python war |
| 20:09.34 | trek00 | u53r_4n0n_10: what? |
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| 20:11.10 | u53r_4n0n_10 | @trek00 The programs in the system needs an specific version of python then? |
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| 20:12.10 | trek00 | u53r_4n0n_10: do you talk about the psil0cybin problem? |
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| 20:12.33 | u53r_4n0n_10 | no |
| 20:12.44 | trek00 | well i don't know then :) |
| 20:12.46 | joepublic | not talking about it isn't going to help |
| 20:14.12 | u53r_4n0n_10 | perhaps help him |
| 20:15.57 | u53r_4n0n_10 | I didn't pay attention of what he wrote, since I was helping to user robito with his trouble of kernel update (which I don't know if he end with that) |
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| 20:17.27 | u53r_4n0n_10 | Now I'm trying to pass WiFi to my cellphone. |
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| 20:18.03 | u53r_4n0n_10 | But it says that I must purge all netowrk managers... |
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| 20:22.05 | trek00 | u53r_4n0n_10: it is evil |
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| 20:38.25 | Harm133 | Hey guys, does anyone have a freenas KVM VM running on any of their debian hosts? I had a box with an EPYC CPU which did not want to boot after the latest update. Once I changed the CPU to qemu64 type it did boot however, where would I report this? |
| 20:42.10 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 20:42.21 | Psil0Cybin | i fixed my pycharm issue it was configured wrong enviroment after updating from debian 9 -> 10 |
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| 20:42.36 | Psil0Cybin | so now i just have this private internet accesss application problem with the GTX or what ever not starting up properly. |
| 20:42.47 | Psil0Cybin | having me use 2 year ago version of the VPN app on debian 10 mind boggling |
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| 20:51.25 | robito | so this is how my grub config looks now https://pastebin.com/KSAC1kgv but even after a reboot im still on the old kernel, do you guys think i need to change the GRUB_DEFAULT to something else? its currently set to 0 which i thought meant it would go for the first menuentry, should be the new kernel unless im missing something |
| 20:52.54 | robito | i'm a bit apprehensive to change it as its a remote server and if it stops booting i might have a problem |
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| 20:56.30 | juan_ | Hello there, I am using pureOS and in another computer trisquel, both supported by FSF, I have tried several methods for wifi firmware installation, buy I cannont connect to wifi, have anyone had this problem? |
| 20:57.42 | joepublic | yes, juan_, in fact many have had this problem, because PureOS and Trisquel do not support loading proprietary firmware. No amount of study will figure out how to do something that is not doable. |
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| 20:58.32 | joepublic | if your wifi card uses free firmware, no problem. But if you are down to asking in #debian about #random-distro problems, you probably don't have compatible hardware. |
| 20:58.36 | juan_ | Thanks Joe, it even did not work with 802.11n standard ieee wifi usb |
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| 20:59.12 | joepublic | Try a wifi device with an atheros chipset; those tend to be well-supported. |
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| 20:59.23 | juan_ | one laptop is hp (propietary) it uses realtek |
| 20:59.32 | juan_ | the other one is dell |
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| 21:00.23 | joepublic | good luck and have a nice day. |
| 21:00.27 | Psil0Cybin | Hello all!! |
| 21:00.31 | Psil0Cybin | I solved my issue with GTX |
| 21:00.41 | somiaj | some atheros devices put the firmware on the chip, but many require non-free firmware. |
| 21:00.42 | Psil0Cybin | turned out its my graphic card!! why is the VPN app using graphic card I DUNNo |
| 21:00.44 | annadane | \o/ |
| 21:00.47 | Psil0Cybin | apt-get install nvidia-drivers fixed all my issues |
| 21:00.50 | Psil0Cybin | What the heck! |
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| 21:04.15 | Psil0Cybin | cant belive this, updated debian 9 -> 10 and forgot the drivers for grphix card |
| 21:04.21 | Psil0Cybin | wack and because of this the vpn application didn ot work? |
| 21:04.22 | Psil0Cybin | wild |
| 21:05.02 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: good! :) |
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| 21:06.05 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: i don't know why vpn gui not work without acceleration, but it's nice that your upgrade finally gone fine |
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| 21:10.39 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, yes thank you |
| 21:10.46 | Psil0Cybin | last check to check if my LVM encyrption is still working fine |
| 21:10.58 | Psil0Cybin | does this mean my partitons are encrypted? https://pastebin.com/CzLZUgvH trek00 since you know much much more than me |
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| 21:11.46 | Psil0Cybin | or what command can i run to make sure my upgrade did not ruin my encrypted partions using LVM or LUKS |
| 21:12.11 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: yes they are encrypted, just check also /etc/crypttab |
| 21:13.28 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: you should have an entry for sda5_crypt |
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| 21:13.53 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, how do i double check that sorry like what command would i run? |
| 21:14.26 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: just type: cat /etc/crypttab |
| 21:14.45 | Psil0Cybin | sda5_crypt UUID=b90036b0-b147-4964-afc6-85db2feb605a none luks |
| 21:14.48 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, |
| 21:15.20 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: it's ok |
| 21:15.30 | Psil0Cybin | okay thanks your amazing trek00 today your really helping me |
| 21:15.35 | Psil0Cybin | and how can i verify that my swap is encrypted properly? still |
| 21:15.47 | Psil0Cybin | last question and ill honestly leave u alone lol |
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| 21:16.14 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: as you can see in the url you pasted, vg-root and vg-swap are inside sda5_crypt, so both are encrypted |
| 21:16.40 | Psil0Cybin | trek00, your amazing!! thank you for all the education |
| 21:16.44 | Psil0Cybin | and holding my hand basically as i fix all this |
| 21:16.48 | Psil0Cybin | your really really something special |
| 21:17.11 | trek00 | happy to help :) |
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| 21:18.35 | trek00 | Psil0Cybin: do you have an harddisk or an ssd? |
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| 21:22.17 | gropoilu | PART |
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| 21:25.09 | sponix2ipfw | trek00: I might have to learn drive crypto some day... So I can encrypt myself out of my data and get made about it (like everyone else) lol |
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| 21:26.59 | trek00 | sponix2ipfw: i suggest you to start encrypting only stuff you downloaded, so if something goes wrong, you can download again :) |
| 21:27.50 | sponix2ipfw | trek00: get out of here with your logic. I wan to crypto everything I own, so I an lose it all at the same time and Blame everyone else !! |
| 21:28.16 | trek00 | ;) |
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| 21:42.11 | rort | hello |
| 21:42.49 | annadane | hi there |
| 21:42.58 | badar | hello |
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| 21:43.04 | rort | what distro you using? |
| 21:43.11 | annadane | take a wild guess |
| 21:43.22 | rort | debian |
| 21:43.27 | annadane | !win rort |
| 21:43.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, rort! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:43.36 | rort | fr |
| 21:43.37 | rort | bet |
| 21:43.38 | trek00 | :) |
| 21:43.53 | rort | anyone hate their self? |
| 21:44.00 | mbnt | Hi, I am trying to run synfig and get message: https://pastebin.com/tJnSkh7f |
| 21:45.03 | trek00 | mbnt: it seems you need to specify a sif file on the commandline |
| 21:45.23 | mbnt | trek00, elaborate? |
| 21:45.33 | bsu_ | rort, only a bit |
| 21:45.47 | trek00 | mbnt: try to install synfigstudio, it has a graphical interface |
| 21:45.52 | rort | i do alot |
| 21:46.16 | bsu_ | don't hate alot |
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| 21:46.26 | mbnt | trek00, Ahh, okay, thanks. |
| 21:46.50 | phogg | rort: it's okay, we all feel the same way |
| 21:47.00 | wednes | rort: hate the boug and corps |
| 21:47.08 | mbnt | I wanted to get some humble little animations for my website and thought this would be a good tool. It outputs animations in vector format. |
| 21:47.59 | mbnt | In school I was taught a program called Adobe Edge Animate. This seems to be the opensource version of that. |
| 21:48.43 | annadane | rort, if you just want to chat there's #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:49.16 | trek00 | mbnt: sorry i'm not familiar with those tools, but try it :) |
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| 21:52.59 | Iarfen | ih |
| 21:53.17 | Iarfen | where is debian default directory for tomcat8? |
| 21:55.18 | trek00 | Iarfen: you can see all the tomcat installed files with dpkg -L tomcat8 |
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| 21:56.40 | trek00 | Iarfen: also check dpkg -L tomcat8-common |
| 21:56.54 | Iarfen | trek00: thanks! :D |
| 21:57.17 | trek00 | :) |
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| 22:10.54 | mzajc | I have a problem with memory. Whenever I hit the memory limit (I can manually trigger that by launching two virtualbox machines with high memory settings), the system freezes so hard I can only raise elephants, which is not always ideal (Ctrl + Alt + number doesn't do anything, SysRq + F doesn't do anything and the GUI freezes completely). How could I reserve some memory for the stuff necessary to at least get to a tty. |
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| 22:12.10 | mzajc | Also great would be if I could reserve some memory for the GUI (X server, plasmashell, KWin) so that it wouldn't freeze out. |
| 22:12.34 | magyar | hi, tying to compile backports kernel for stable with MS surface modules, how can I add them to the build? |
| 22:12.46 | trek00 | mzajc: it's best to limit virtualbox memory usage |
| 22:12.56 | mzajc | virtualbox was just an example |
| 22:13.37 | mzajc | it could be anything, really, even not watching over my browser tabs while leaving gimp and my IDE open in the background |
| 22:13.39 | trek00 | mzajc: linux does not like to have low memory |
| 22:14.16 | trek00 | mzajc: if the applications does not collaborate to respect some memory limit, you can setup a cgroup for those memory hungry applications |
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| 22:15.14 | mzajc | could I do that for all programs, except for the ones that are essential? |
| 22:16.02 | trek00 | mzajc: yes, once you setup a cgroup, you can run as many apps you want inside that cgroup, they will all share the same limits |
| 22:16.21 | mzajc | I see |
| 22:16.34 | trek00 | magyar: they are included in the standard kernel? |
| 22:17.04 | magyar | trek00: nope, no touch screen etc |
| 22:17.17 | magyar | that has to be added as a module |
| 22:17.26 | magyar | plus some bin stuff |
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| 22:18.13 | magyar | for example >> CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_SURFACE3_SPI=m |
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| 22:18.38 | trek00 | magyar: I mean, where you found MS surface modules? inside the kernel source or as an extra package? |
| 22:18.38 | badar | will anyone contribute here https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/03/msg00010.html |
| 22:19.09 | trek00 | mzajc: if you need help to setup a cgroup, just ask |
| 22:19.23 | magyar | trek00: >> https://github.com/linux-surface/kernel-configs |
| 22:19.33 | mzajc | reading the man page of cgcreate currently |
| 22:19.49 | mzajc | I'll figure it eventually, thanks for offering help though! |
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| 22:21.51 | sponix | trek00: you don't happen to want to backport a lot of stuff for me.. do you ? |
| 22:23.06 | trek00 | magyar: sorry i don't know these drivers, but you can simply modify the .config file to add your module |
| 22:23.40 | trek00 | sponix: which package? |
| 22:23.42 | magyar | trek00: which section? |
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| 22:24.03 | sponix | trek00: virt-manager and everything it needs to support it qemu/kvm etc |
| 22:24.42 | magyar | trek00: I've tried make menuconfig but I'm not sure where to plug the necessary modules etc |
| 22:24.59 | sponix | trek00: if no one responds to my backports request from the mailing list, or in here by this weekend - I plan to attempt to tackle it myself. But I've only done "rtorrent" SSB prior |
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| 22:25.04 | trek00 | magyar: it should be already written inside .config, just commented out |
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| 22:25.18 | trek00 | sponix: too much packages :) |
| 22:25.48 | magyar | trek00: nope, I looked at the config for the backports kernel and there is nothing on SURFACE modules |
| 22:26.15 | trek00 | magyar: which kernel version? |
| 22:26.22 | sponix | trek00: I figured you might say that... I kinda feel overwhelmed by it also. I want it though... Know what, I haven't even searched for an outside repo though. I kinda wanted it semi-offical |
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| 22:28.02 | trek00 | sponix: i really try to avoid to backport/modify packges myself because of maintenance burden, but i know sometimes it's unavoidable |
| 22:28.14 | magyar | trek00: sorry, I've compared the config files from the one that I have the touchscreen working from github and the debian one is missing about 8 more modules |
| 22:28.39 | magyar | trek00: config-5.4.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 22:28.50 | trek00 | magyar: i have CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_SURFACE3_SPI=m in my standard buster kernel 4.19 |
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| 22:29.54 | magyar | trek00: what about >> CONFIG_SURFACE_ACPI=m or CONFIG_SURFACE_ACPI_SSH=y and a whole bunch more |
| 22:30.06 | sponix | trek00: well to be honest, I'm just chasing version numbers. I just want to have the best gpu passthrough to Windows 10 experience for a Game (Street Fighter 5) that I can. The stable version in Debian 10 already can likely already provide that for me, if I configure and use it correctly :P |
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| 22:32.18 | trek00 | magyar: have you tried that genconf.py on github link you posted? |
| 22:33.03 | magyar | trek00: yep. fails badly |
| 22:33.18 | trek00 | sponix: which issues do you have with debian10 and passthrough? |
| 22:33.19 | magyar | I don't think it was tested on debian |
| 22:34.06 | sponix | trek00: Well, it was a "user error" issue last time. Come to find out my stability issues where likely because I didn't even have my rig booting in EFI mode (kinda a bit requirement it seems) |
| 22:34.18 | trek00 | magyar: it should not be distribution dependent |
| 22:34.50 | magyar | trek00: the error>> https://paste.centos.org/view/9e27295d |
| 22:34.53 | sponix | trek00: So, I could get the card listed with vfio and everything, and even see it and pass it through with kvm/virt-manager ... But when I attempted to run the Game (os did okay) it would take a big shit |
| 22:35.01 | trek00 | sponix EFI still an hidden beast to me |
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| 22:35.21 | magyar | trek00: and the new config that it spits out doesn't have any changes in them at all |
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| 22:35.49 | sponix | trek00: well, honestly I had not cared prior, because it had never been _needed_ for anything. But it seems to be key element for that to work correctly :P |
| 22:36.17 | trek00 | magyar: they seems only warnings, the config file should be generated |
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| 22:36.55 | trek00 | sponix: anyway debian works flawlessly with efi |
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| 22:37.32 | sponix | trek00: I'm sure it does. It wasn't a Debian problem. It was a ME problem :) |
| 22:37.55 | trek00 | sponix: may be something related to IOMMU? |
| 22:38.37 | trek00 | magyar: i guess your surface don't work with the standard kernel |
| 22:38.38 | sponix | trek00: well.... I will give it another shot with current Debian 10 stable packages this weekend and let you know if I have issues |
| 22:39.02 | trek00 | sponix: nvidia or amd card? |
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| 22:41.38 | magyar | trek00: well it works but a bunch of features, like touchscreen is not working, but it seems to work with the kernel provided on github |
| 22:43.20 | sponix | trek00: Nvidia for Host OS, and AMD for passing through |
| 22:43.59 | sponix | trek00: makes it a bit simple. You block the amdgpu driver at grub level, configure it by ID in vfio, and you are pretty well set |
| 22:44.18 | trek00 | magyar: and i guess you downloaded the linux-surface kernel and ran genconf.py on that directory |
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| 22:45.33 | trek00 | sponix: yes it should be right, is you iommu enabled? |
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| 22:46.15 | magyar | trek00: well, I cloned it from github |
| 22:46.16 | sponix | trek00: not at the moment, but it will be. I'm rocking a Xeon so it is iommu_intel for grub |
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| 22:46.45 | sponix | trek00: like outside of the EFI boot, pretty sure I did most things right last time. I've done a fair amount of reading |
| 22:46.50 | Iarfen | tomcat is not reading localhost:8080/manager, what can be happening? I'm under debian :D |
| 22:46.53 | magyar | and installed the backports linux-source package + untar in my ~ folder |
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| 22:47.39 | trek00 | magyar: it seems to me you only need to work with the linux-surface kernel, not with the ones provided by debian |
| 22:48.57 | trek00 | sponix: sorry i don't know, it should be running fine |
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| 22:49.41 | trek00 | Iarfen: try to restart tomcat, type as root: service tomcat8 restart |
| 22:50.00 | sponix | trek00: its okay. I'm a big boy. And can solve my own problems. Appreciate you listening though :) |
| 22:50.20 | magyar | trek00: so I can't build a debian kernel with the same modules as the github version? |
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| 22:50.40 | Iarfen | trek00: it works. Now, it request me with a user and a password |
| 22:51.27 | trek00 | magyar: if i understand right, you can't because these modules are included only inside the github version |
| 22:52.00 | magyar | trek00: yeh, this kernel stuff is confusing for me as sin |
| 22:52.30 | magyar | why can't I just add the modules to the debian source and build the kernel the debian way? |
| 22:53.08 | trek00 | magyar: just compile the github version with make deb-pkg |
| 22:53.19 | trek00 | magyar: and it will generate a .deb package for you |
| 22:53.42 | magyar | trek00: k, let me try that |
| 22:53.45 | magyar | thx |
| 22:54.37 | trek00 | Iarfen: read the file /usr/share/doc/tomcat8/README.Debian.gz it contains those info |
| 22:54.45 | Iarfen | ok |
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| 22:55.31 | trek00 | Iarfen: you need to read or create the /etc/tomcat8/tomcat-users.xml file |
| 22:56.49 | Iarfen | trek00: I've created already an user there |
| 22:57.31 | trek00 | Iarfen: this should be the user and password you need to type |
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| 22:59.23 | trek00 | sponix: if you want read more, i suggest the archlinux wiki, it's always full of details, like this one https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Setting_up_IOMMU |
| 23:00.42 | sponix | trek00: Thanks.. Got that bookmarked and will for sure work off of it as needed |
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| 23:06.20 | trek00 | badar: i would like to contribute, but i really don't know those packages and how they are expected to run |
| 23:07.33 | badar | its my first time so i was looking for some help |
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| 23:18.08 | trek00 | badar: if you have some technical question, just ask :) |
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| 23:19.43 | robito | hey guys recently updated my debian install from 8 to 10.3 and now im trying to update the kernel also, trying to go from 3.14 up to 4.19 however i think im doing something wrong with grub, does my config look ok to you guys? https://pastebin.com/KSAC1kgv |
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| 23:21.37 | trek00 | robito: when installing a new kernel package on debian, it should automatically configure grub |
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| 23:22.40 | robito | thats what i thought, but after i reboot im still on the old one |
| 23:22.45 | annadane | robito, to go from 8 to 10 you need to go through 9 first |
| 23:22.51 | annadane | you can't skip stable releases |
| 23:22.56 | robito | uh oh |
| 23:22.56 | annadane | !stretch release notes |
| 23:22.57 | dpkg | The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <jessie->stretch>, <stretch install guide> |
| 23:23.18 | annadane | do that and then go from 9 -> 10, also reading the release notes for 10 |
| 23:23.59 | annadane | (it's usually as simple as changing your sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade, but it's worth it to at least skim the notes) |
| 23:24.00 | robito | im already on 10.3... do i go back to 9 now? |
| 23:24.05 | annadane | no. |
| 23:24.20 | annadane | now that the damage has been done there isn't a point, and debian doesn't support downgrades anyway |
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| 23:24.58 | annadane | i misread your question as "updating my debian install" as in ongoing, instead of "updated" |
| 23:25.10 | trek00 | robito: try to reinstall the 4.19 kernel and see what messages it prints, it should call update-grub |
| 23:25.41 | robito | ah gotcha |
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| 23:26.47 | robito | ok trek00 i will do, it didnt throw any errors last time anyway, and my grub config wasnt actually updated until i manually called that command myself |
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| 23:32.30 | robito | so all i did to install it was apt-get install linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64 |
| 23:32.44 | trek00 | it should work |
| 23:32.55 | robito | seeing a few things mentioning i might need linux-image-generic also? |
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| 23:34.59 | robito | just tried it without the generic anyway, it has regenerated the grub config |
| 23:35.10 | robito | i guess ill try reboot |
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| 23:40.44 | trek00 | robito: check also if you have an "andanced" menu inside grub with all the kernels listed |
| 23:40.52 | trek00 | advanced |
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| 23:44.07 | robito | doesnt seem to have rebooted :( |
| 23:45.59 | trek00 | it don't boot= |
| 23:46.01 | trek00 | ? |
| 23:46.10 | robito | nope |
| 23:46.27 | robito | its a remote server so hard to tell tbh |
| 23:46.42 | trek00 | :/ |
| 23:47.59 | trek00 | hope you have a backup |
| 23:50.14 | robito | weird, its come back now |
| 23:50.20 | robito | still the old kernel |
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| 23:50.28 | robito | that was spooky though |
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| 23:51.27 | trek00 | robito: if it's a vps, i find easier to install a new system instead of upgrade |
| 23:52.01 | robito | its a dedi but yeah probably a good idea |
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| 23:56.01 | dvs | you could update-grub to see if that changes things |
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| 23:59.27 | robito | does grub have the ability to fallback to lower options in the list if the first one fails? |
| 23:59.56 | robito | it seems like grub is definitely updating |