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| 00:13.26 | jsync | Hey. I need help with a few things. I installed Wheezy 64 bit, & the System Settings shows Chinese, & the Network Manager options are greyed out. |
| 00:14.06 | Kobaz | wheezy? why |
| 00:14.24 | Kobaz | Debian 7 "Wheezy" support has reached its end-of-life on May 31, 2018, |
| 00:14.33 | jsync | The programs that I use just work with Wheezy. |
| 00:14.35 | Kobaz | That was four years ago |
| 00:14.40 | sney | jsync: I'm assuming zh wasn't the locale you selected during the install? |
| 00:15.00 | jsync | Right. |
| 00:15.05 | Kobaz | jsync: commercial/propriatary? |
| 00:15.32 | sney | I vaguely remember n-m being pretty crappy in the wheezy days. it might be valid to remove it and use wicd instead. |
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| 00:15.41 | jsync | Just a home network. It's not even an online system. |
| 00:15.47 | Kobaz | jsync: you can configure the network manually in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:15.50 | Kobaz | and remove network manager |
| 00:16.02 | sney | or that, yeah, if it's going to have a static network configuration |
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| 00:16.29 | dottie | irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Edward Snowden is there, connect NOW or you're a loser. |
| 00:17.28 | annadane | you can run debian 1 for all people care if you keep it walled off from the internet *shrug* |
| 00:17.34 | sney | also, n-m doesn't touch any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default, so if you have a definition in that file then that could be why n-m is grayed out. |
| 00:17.48 | jsync | I like using the network manager. Once this system is configured, I'll just let it run the server software I'm using for a couple of desktop machines. |
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| 00:20.56 | dottie | irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Snowden and Stallman are there, connect NOW or you're a loser. |
| 00:21.18 | jsync | So, leave /etc/network/interfaces totally blank? |
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| 00:23.05 | sney | yeah or comment the lines if you want to have them there for reference |
| 00:23.33 | dvs | lo? |
| 00:24.05 | sney | oh yes lo should be left alone |
| 00:25.10 | jsync | Keep the lo entry? |
| 00:25.16 | sney | yes |
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| 00:25.38 | Kobaz | no lo is bad |
| 00:25.49 | jsync | lo is the "Loopback" section? |
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| 00:26.01 | Kobaz | yesa |
| 00:26.51 | jsync | Cool. That worked. |
| 00:27.44 | jsync | The language thing was something about the language highlighted upon login. I just needed to highlight "English". |
| 00:27.52 | jsync | ð |
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| 00:34.00 | blackop | back on old thinkpad t42 |
| 00:34.20 | blackop | well while i was playing with grub theme i ruined something i guess |
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| 00:34.38 | annadane | breaking stuff is half the fun |
| 00:34.40 | blackop | i wanted to remove background and make it look like default blue grub menu |
| 00:34.58 | blackop | but it doesnt look blue menu it is gray/black |
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| 00:35.18 | blackop | even i set 05 debian theme colors it shows black grey |
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| 00:35.23 | blackop | how can i set it back? |
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| 00:36.10 | annadane | lmao |
| 00:36.15 | blackop | what |
| 00:36.27 | blackop | :p |
| 00:36.29 | annadane | just some spammers, ignore it |
| 00:36.42 | blackop | must be your fan lol |
| 00:36.50 | annadane | i messaged one of them to screw off, i guess this is the retribution |
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| 00:36.58 | blackop | yea |
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| 00:39.43 | blackop | no idea about grub? |
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| 00:40.23 | annadane | sorry, no |
| 00:40.38 | blackop | kk |
| 00:40.44 | annadane | well, you didn't really break anything if it just looks differently from what you wanted |
| 00:40.47 | annadane | so easily fixable |
| 00:41.14 | annadane | but yeah i don't know much about grub |
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| 00:41.40 | blackop | well i sometimes take notes for tweaking things so i applied my notes |
| 00:41.45 | blackop | let me show you |
| 00:41.56 | annadane | you may want to check man grub2 or /usr/share/doc/grub2 |
| 00:43.12 | blackop | this is what i did: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1138157 |
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| 00:44.18 | blackop | i copy pasted those GRUB lines in both dir : /etc/default/grub and /usr/share/grub/default/grub |
| 00:44.25 | blackop | and then applied these commands : |
| 00:44.35 | blackop | sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme |
| 00:44.45 | blackop | sudo update-initramfs -u |
| 00:44.51 | blackop | finally update-grub |
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| 00:45.26 | blackop | btw /usr/share/doc/grub2 is empty |
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| 00:45.34 | blackop | no such document i guess |
| 00:46.30 | trek00 | blackop: usually you should not modify things under /usr but only things under /etc |
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| 00:47.01 | blackop | hmmm maybe i did wrong there |
| 00:47.09 | annadane | yeah or if you are going to do that don't edit both things that "do the same thing", ie have the same name |
| 00:47.17 | annadane | because you realize what you're doing? you're guessing |
| 00:47.18 | blackop | if someone has original file may i see how it looked like? |
| 00:47.42 | trek00 | blackop: you can reinstall grub to restore /usr/share/grub |
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| 00:47.48 | blackop | well i didnt remember which file to edit so i pasted in both files |
| 00:47.59 | blackop | how trek00 ? |
| 00:48.03 | blackop | how to restore? |
| 00:48.05 | Unit193 | dpkg -S /usr/share/grub/default/grub then apt --reinstall install whatever it comes up with? |
| 00:48.05 | dpkg | Package: /usr/share/grub/default/grub then apt --reinstall install whatever it comes up with: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:48.16 | annadane | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.19 | blackop | ok |
| 00:48.34 | blackop | also maybe i did mistake with chmod commands |
| 00:48.51 | annadane | did you check the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 00:48.56 | blackop | sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme and sudo update-initramfs -u |
| 00:49.31 | trek00 | blackop: chmod is not an issue here |
| 00:49.36 | blackop | what about /etc/default/grub? |
| 00:49.40 | blackop | they look so same |
| 00:49.57 | blackop | ok lets try to restore |
| 00:50.13 | trek00 | blackop: usually you need only to edit /etc/default/grub |
| 00:50.22 | trek00 | but i don't remember anything about themes |
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| 00:50.45 | blackop | you are right in past i just edited 1 file in debian |
| 00:50.53 | blackop | maybe my notes belongs to ubuntu grub |
| 00:51.33 | blackop | Unit193: apt --reinstall install didnt bring anything |
| 00:51.44 | blackop | wait |
| 00:51.51 | trek00 | blackop: apt reinstall grub2-common |
| 00:51.54 | Unit193 | blackop: It should generally have reinstalled that package, replacing the file in /usr/share/ |
| 00:52.14 | blackop | doesnt work |
| 00:52.29 | trek00 | what it says? |
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| 00:53.03 | blackop | ah wait it s working |
| 00:53.29 | blackop | http://paste.debian.net/plain/1138160 |
| 00:53.31 | blackop | did this |
| 00:53.50 | trek00 | good |
| 00:53.57 | trek00 | it should restored /usr/share files |
| 00:54.26 | blackop | is grub background image back or blue menu back? |
| 00:54.55 | trek00 | i don't know :) |
| 00:55.00 | trek00 | wait a moment :) |
| 00:55.01 | blackop | well i dont like debian installation with graphics that brings ugly background image on grub menu unlike command line installation |
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| 00:55.43 | trek00 | blackop: commenting this line should disable graphics: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" |
| 00:55.57 | blackop | ok |
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| 00:56.05 | blackop | in where? /etc/default/grub ? |
| 00:56.16 | trek00 | yes |
| 00:56.20 | trek00 | as you already did |
| 00:56.30 | thespen | So I'm in a big pickle of a problem if anyone can help. Keep getting errors because I accidentally copied over libm.so.6 |
| 00:56.38 | trek00 | but i don't know why it don't shows color |
| 00:56.45 | jsync | What files can I get out of the wheezy archives with apt-mirror? "Main contrib non-free": Can I get "wheezy-backports"? |
| 00:57.02 | thespen | Can only boot into terminal, startx doesn't work |
| 00:57.05 | trek00 | thespen: apt reinstall libc6 |
| 00:57.10 | blackop | already did yes |
| 00:57.18 | blackop | maybe problem was usr share |
| 00:57.28 | blackop | which i edited too before reinstall |
| 00:58.04 | blackop | let me see it |
| 00:58.05 | blackop | brb |
| 00:58.07 | blackop | reboot |
| 00:58.09 | trek00 | blackop: do you modified /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ? |
| 00:58.24 | thespen | apt: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: file too short |
| 00:58.36 | trek00 | thespen: bad |
| 00:58.54 | thespen | I've tried to use apt-get several times but it's borked |
| 00:59.14 | thespen | I can't believe copying that one file decimated things so hardcore |
| 01:00.06 | trek00 | thespen: may be you can download the libc6 package on another system, unpack and then copy libm.so, but it needs to be the same version, what it says this command? dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 01:00.24 | trek00 | thespen: libc6 is a core package |
| 01:01.02 | thespen | 2.24-11+deb9u4 |
| 01:01.36 | trek00 | thespen: amd64? |
| 01:01.38 | thespen | I have the Deb but can't figure out how to use it |
| 01:01.43 | thespen | Yeah amd64 |
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| 01:01.58 | blackop | nope |
| 01:02.03 | trek00 | thespen: you need to dowload this package https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/libc6/download |
| 01:02.04 | blackop | unfortunately grub didnt change |
| 01:02.10 | blackop | still black/gray |
| 01:02.20 | thespen | I've tried copying over libm.so.6 and libm-2.24.so a million times but still keep hitting walls |
| 01:03.26 | trek00 | blackop: do you modified /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ? |
| 01:03.38 | blackop | trek00: yes |
| 01:03.42 | blackop | just the colors |
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| 01:04.14 | blackop | but no black gray |
| 01:04.18 | blackop | i set them blue white |
| 01:04.53 | trek00 | blackop: it should be the default, without changes |
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| 01:05.49 | blackop | trek00: yes i dont know how i did it |
| 01:05.58 | blackop | i still suspect chmod and other command |
| 01:06.51 | jim | thespen, well, is your /home on its own partition? |
| 01:07.13 | thespen | Yeah |
| 01:07.35 | trek00 | blackop: may be you need to apt reinstall grub-common |
| 01:07.51 | thespen | I think I have separate home swap and root parts |
| 01:07.59 | trek00 | blackop: and say yes when it ask to replace /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme |
| 01:08.10 | jim | normally this isn't recommended, but, you -could- just reinstall, and not format the /home partition |
| 01:08.23 | trek00 | thespen: if you download that package i can try to help you recover your installation |
| 01:08.34 | blackop | ok |
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| 01:08.38 | blackop | let me try |
| 01:09.03 | thespen | Okay, give me a moment, I need to boot into windows apparently because wget doesn't work either :/ |
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| 01:09.08 | jim | blackop, make sure you have an irc client here |
| 01:09.15 | blackop | jim: why? |
| 01:09.18 | blackop | i am here |
| 01:09.20 | blackop | on irssi |
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| 01:09.51 | jim | hold on one sec |
| 01:10.05 | blackop | trek00: it didnt ask me to reinstall 05 theme |
| 01:10.14 | blackop | 1 reinstalled it says |
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| 01:10.23 | trek00 | :/ |
| 01:10.31 | jim | blackop, I got the nick wrong, I don't think you need to reinstall |
| 01:10.48 | blackop | jim: both nicks here on both machines |
| 01:10.53 | blackop | b1ack0p: and blackop |
| 01:11.14 | blackop | this is the one we were trying to connect wifi and install xfce |
| 01:11.22 | blackop | old thinkpad t42 |
| 01:11.24 | jim | I get it... you're not the one that copied the lib file to a different dir |
| 01:11.36 | trek00 | blackop: try apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common |
| 01:12.05 | blackop | jim: did i copy lib file? lol |
| 01:12.05 | circ-user-8kk3u | I am trying to install broadcom-sta-dkms please look at error log https://pastebin.com/raw/7Pq5iv9N |
| 01:12.14 | blackop | no i guess not me |
| 01:12.26 | jim | no, I don't think you did, that was someone else |
| 01:12.41 | trek00 | jim: he was thespen, now rebooting |
| 01:13.04 | jim | trek00, hows he doin? |
| 01:13.42 | trek00 | circ-user-8kk3u: may be are you trying to use the broadcom debian package with a newer kernel? |
| 01:13.44 | blackop | trek00: i dont get what to reinstall |
| 01:14.07 | trek00 | blackop: grub-common |
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| 01:14.14 | blackop | -o requires argument |
| 01:14.21 | circ-user-8kk3u | trek00 I need to use newer kernel |
| 01:14.25 | blackop | i did grub-common reinstalled but not theme |
| 01:14.45 | thespen | Okay got the deb |
| 01:14.57 | trek00 | circ-user-8kk3u: well you need also newer broadcom drivers, it seems they are incompatible with that kernel |
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| 01:15.21 | trek00 | thespen: ok now you need to unpack it somewhere |
| 01:15.26 | thespen | libc6_2.24-11+deb9u4_amd64.deb |
| 01:15.39 | thespen | dpkg -i ? |
| 01:15.41 | dpkg | thespen: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:15.49 | circ-user-8kk3u | trek00: what are the newer broadcom drivers? |
| 01:15.58 | jim | dpkg, buttshack? |
| 01:15.59 | dpkg | jim: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:16.02 | trek00 | thespen: dpkg -x |
| 01:16.08 | thespen | Ah |
| 01:16.24 | sney | dpkg: shut up |
| 01:16.24 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 01:16.31 | blackop | brb reboot |
| 01:17.13 | jsync | apt-mirror suggests that I can't get the amd64 binary for non-free. Is that ignorable, or should I try something specific to get that? |
| 01:17.44 | trek00 | thespen: the file you need is lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.28.so |
| 01:18.56 | trek00 | circ-user-8kk3u: it seems broadcom-sta-dkms package does not work with your kernel version |
| 01:19.24 | trek00 | circ-user-8kk3u: may be you can try to use the backport version 6.30.223.271-11~bpo10+1 |
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| 01:19.32 | blackop | still same |
| 01:19.37 | jsync | I'm as well curious, can I use a libc6 out of a newer system for an older install? |
| 01:19.54 | trek00 | blackop: try this commandline, just cut and paste: apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common |
| 01:20.17 | trek00 | jsync: probably not |
| 01:20.20 | thespen | 2.28 O_o? |
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| 01:20.28 | trek00 | thespen: yes |
| 01:20.30 | thespen | I have 2.24 in this folder |
| 01:20.39 | thespen | I followed your link |
| 01:21.01 | trek00 | thespen: sorry, it's right |
| 01:21.18 | jsync | There should be more "build-your-own-linux" groups. |
| 01:21.18 | thespen | Okay, oof heart palpitations lol |
| 01:21.25 | blackop | trek00: it says -o needs argument |
| 01:21.50 | trek00 | thespen: now you should copy this file overwriting your broken /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so |
| 01:22.06 | trek00 | blackop: the argument is Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" |
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| 01:22.54 | circ-user-8kk3u | trek00: I contacted the package maintainer, i was just wondering if anyone here knew |
| 01:23.19 | trek00 | circ-user-8kk3u: try to enable backports and install the new version |
| 01:23.51 | jsync | Or somebody should write a book: "Build Your Own Linux System Using Other Linux System Source Files". I would want to read that. |
| 01:23.57 | blackop | trek00: done |
| 01:24.07 | blackop | installed theme |
| 01:24.08 | trek00 | jsync: linux from scratch |
| 01:24.10 | thespen | That's copied over now |
| 01:24.23 | ritmo | Hello everyone! After like an hour of installing and reinstalling youtube-dl i now offically given up and came here to ask for your advice! Maybe a bit of a newbie quesiton but: anyone can help me out installing the LATEST version of youtube-dl in Debian? '2019.01.17' this is the version i get when installing it with apt but when i try to download a video i get 'ERROR: bpQFCcSI0pU: YouTube said: This video is unavailable.' Maybe |
| 01:24.23 | ritmo | someone can help :) |
| 01:24.40 | jsync | trek00, somebody in ##linux suggested that group as well. |
| 01:24.51 | trek00 | blackop: now you could try with update-grub and ses |
| 01:24.54 | blackop | brb |
| 01:25.01 | blackop | trek00: ses what? |
| 01:25.17 | trek00 | thespen: now check the output of ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 |
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| 01:25.34 | trek00 | blackop: and see :) |
| 01:25.45 | blackop | lol |
| 01:26.05 | trek00 | my typing is not good, played for 1 hour online :) |
| 01:26.05 | blackop | ses means sound in turkish :p |
| 01:26.12 | blackop | what game? |
| 01:26.12 | jsync | ritmo, google "download YouTube videos" with a firefox browser. There's a plugin for free videos. |
| 01:26.17 | trek00 | tank-off |
| 01:26.25 | blackop | i like tanks |
| 01:26.28 | blackop | :p |
| 01:26.30 | blackop | ok brb to reboot |
| 01:26.31 | trek00 | :) |
| 01:26.46 | ritmo | jsync, thank you, i know i can download it with some websites. But i would really love to get youtube-dl working because it's such an awesome tool |
| 01:27.03 | trek00 | thespen: it should print /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 -> libm-2.24.so |
| 01:27.05 | thespen | I copied it over and tried startx and it gave me the error for libm.so.6 |
| 01:27.33 | jsync | I haven't heard of that utility. I can get most videos I want with the firefox plugin. |
| 01:27.34 | thespen | Then I copied over libm.so.6 from the Deb as well and now X started ;) |
| 01:27.51 | trek00 | thespen: well |
| 01:28.19 | trek00 | thespen: good that it works, but libm.so.6 should be a symbolic link to libm-2.24.so |
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| 01:28.56 | ritmo | youtube-dl lets you download playlists and videos from youtube with CLI and you can determain the audio/video quality with one command. it's really awesome but i think the outdated version doesn't properly function rn |
| 01:29.05 | thespen | Ah okay, let's see |
| 01:29.07 | trek00 | thespen: may be you can fix it with: apt reinstall libc6 |
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| 01:29.38 | blackop | trek00: unfortunately grub is same black/grey |
| 01:30.01 | thespen | Yeah apt is working again |
| 01:30.21 | thespen | And results of ls -l |
| 01:31.10 | trek00 | blackop: may be you can try to create the /boot/grub/custom.cfg file and write in it: set color_normal=cyan/blue |
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| 01:31.23 | thespen | " /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 --> libm-2.24.so" |
| 01:31.23 | trek00 | blackop: see https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2#Configure_console_menu_colors |
| 01:31.32 | trek00 | thespen: that is good |
| 01:31.42 | thespen | Whew |
| 01:31.48 | thespen | Thank you so much trek00 |
| 01:31.52 | trek00 | :) |
| 01:32.08 | thespen | I was literally so sad to possibly to use Windows even for the night lol |
| 01:32.47 | sney | ritmo: there's a 2020.x version of youtube-dl in buster-multimedia. enable that repo, install youtube-dl, and then disable the repo. deb-multimedia can cause weird problems if you aren't careful with it. but one package should be fine |
| 01:32.51 | sney | !buster-multimedia |
| 01:32.52 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 01:32.58 | trek00 | thespen: i would be sad too :) |
| 01:33.01 | blackop | can someone please show me /etc/default/grub ? |
| 01:33.16 | thespen | Man BSNES better be amazing when I get the damn thing installed |
| 01:33.17 | ritmo | sney: ok will try thanks |
| 01:33.20 | blackop | i wanna look how it is by default |
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| 01:33.37 | thespen | Haha, it was so sad to have to boot back into win 8 for all of this |
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| 01:33.58 | trek00 | blackop: for buster? |
| 01:34.02 | sney | blackop: http://paste.debian.net/1138165/ /etc/default/grub from buster |
| 01:34.14 | blackop | yes |
| 01:34.31 | ZaZaGX | so i had the zoom application installed. I decided to delete it. running apt remove zoom - and i did a apt autoremove - how did i delete the other stuff? is there a hidden folder in my /home |
| 01:34.51 | jim | thespen, what I think might have happened to you, is when you copied the lib file, you copied it over one that was working |
| 01:35.16 | sney | ZaZaGX: 'apt purge zoom' should get any leftover global config gunk, and you can look for /home configs with 'ls -a' |
| 01:35.20 | jim | be careful with libs... lots of executables use them |
| 01:35.23 | blackop | so /etc/default/grub and /usr/share/grub/default/grub are same by default |
| 01:35.27 | blackop | why is that so? |
| 01:35.45 | sney | ritmo: do not private message people without asking. keep questions in the channel. |
| 01:35.52 | thespen | Yeah, that makes sense. I was doing a lot of renegade copying. I know better to agree around like that with cp and rm commands when I'm in root /facepalm |
| 01:35.55 | ritmo | kk |
| 01:36.08 | ritmo | sney wanted to ask how to enable that repo... i have no idea to be honest |
| 01:36.17 | trek00 | blackop: i think /usr/share/grub/default/grub is used to create /etc/default/grub if not existent |
| 01:36.31 | ritmo | installed it with snap now but i also cant make it work |
| 01:36.42 | ZaZaGX | thanks |
| 01:36.49 | blackop | shouldnt i edit both of them? |
| 01:36.51 | sney | ritmo: the message from dpkg has a link to the instructions, did you go there? |
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| 01:37.03 | blackop | that s annoying really.. |
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| 01:37.17 | trek00 | blackop: no, only /etc/default/grub |
| 01:37.23 | blackop | ok.. |
| 01:37.31 | ritmo | no |
| 01:37.49 | sney | snap stuff isn't supported here so you're on your own with whatever problem that caused |
| 01:38.08 | trek00 | blackop: to enable colors may be you can try to create the /boot/grub/custom.cfg file and write in it: set color_normal=cyan/blue see https://wiki.debian.org/Grub2#Configure_console_menu_colors |
| 01:38.49 | ZaZaGX | so i opened my /home and did a CRTL+H and it showed a hidden .zoom folder |
| 01:38.53 | ritmo | im really a newb who is used to Ubuntu honestly but i'm using Debian as a DE for a few months now and encounter some problems once in a while. Where do i find the dpkg link you mean? |
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| 01:39.08 | sney | !buster-multimedia |
| 01:39.08 | dpkg | We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm buster>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 01:39.12 | thespen | So now that I'm thinking about it, how do I take care of this the right way?: "./BSNES: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.27' not found (required by./bsnes)" |
| 01:39.20 | blackop | trek00: i will try that |
| 01:39.23 | sney | see where it says "See http://deb-multimedia.org/ ... " |
| 01:39.32 | thespen | That's what started this whole crazy ride |
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| 01:39.52 | trek00 | ZaZaGX: usually you need to delete manually things inside your home, they are preserved on uninstall |
| 01:40.26 | ritmo | okok |
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| 01:40.34 | thespen | GLIBC_2.27 dependency? |
| 01:41.16 | trek00 | thespen: it needs a newer debian |
| 01:41.26 | thespen | Ah damn |
| 01:41.46 | ritmo | honestly don't quite get it. went to the website, has nothing with youtube-dl on it |
| 01:41.49 | thespen | Use older version of bsnes maybe? |
| 01:41.58 | trek00 | thespen: yes |
| 01:42.07 | ritmo | sney: can i do it all through CLI or do i need to download something off a website externally? |
| 01:42.12 | sney | ritmo: it tells you how to enable deb-multimedia, and then you 'apt install youtube-dl' |
| 01:42.14 | ritmo | sney: also thanks for your help.. |
| 01:43.15 | ritmo | You must edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to replaces the old repository name by the new one. this ? |
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| 01:43.38 | sney | yes that |
| 01:44.10 | sney | or no, scroll down and it shows you what to add to /etc/apt/sources.list for buster-multimedia |
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| 01:44.39 | ZaZaGX | that was weird. my laptop restarted for no reason |
| 01:46.24 | trek00 | it was tired :) |
| 01:46.32 | sney | could be thermal |
| 01:47.10 | ZaZaGX | it was after i uninstalled the zoom |
| 01:47.36 | ritmo | sney: so just 'deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org buster main non-free' ? |
| 01:48.13 | sney | ritmo: correct and then follow the steps where it says " After you have added the necessary line in /etc/apt/sources.list the first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring." |
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| 01:49.22 | blackop | trek00: good news custom grub config working :D |
| 01:49.22 | trek00 | blackop: colors? |
| 01:49.25 | blackop | thank you |
| 01:49.25 | ritmo | when i put that in terminal it says 'sudo: deb: command not found' |
| 01:49.27 | blackop | :) |
| 01:49.37 | trek00 | blackop: wow i'm happy now :) |
| 01:49.38 | blackop | yes blue colors as i wanted :p |
| 01:49.58 | sney | ritmo: remember the part about "add to /etc/apt/sources.list" ? it's not a command, that's a text file, you edit it and add that line |
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| 01:50.02 | trek00 | blackop: i still don't know why they are not enabled by default |
| 01:50.05 | blackop | well there are few other annoying things on my xfce yet :p |
| 01:50.22 | ritmo | ok i think i get it now, i was in the file before but i wasnt sure |
| 01:50.41 | blackop | trek00: me too.. disabling splash in etc default grub should be enough |
| 01:50.49 | lwp | ritmo, there is also a channel #youtube-dl on this IRC server |
| 01:51.28 | blackop | well today after we configured wifi in command line |
| 01:51.42 | blackop | xfce doesnt show network manager on the panel |
| 01:51.53 | ritmo | sney: can i put 'deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org buster main non-free' anywhere in the file? at the end or whatever doesn't matter? |
| 01:51.54 | blackop | and i cant see available other wifi connections |
| 01:52.05 | ritmo | lwp: thanks gonna check it out |
| 01:52.08 | trek00 | blackop: you configured via /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 01:52.19 | sney | ritmo: doesn't really matter, I usually add new lines at the bottom |
| 01:52.27 | blackop | trek00: yes |
| 01:52.40 | blackop | sney: helped me to configure |
| 01:52.41 | sney | the 'deb' needs to be at the beginning of the line though. |
| 01:52.59 | trek00 | blackop: i think network manager does not shows if all network cards are configured via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:53.03 | ritmo | kk no hashtag or whatever infront just beginning of the line |
| 01:53.05 | blackop | but after installed xfce it doesnt show wifi icon and it doesnt show wifi connections |
| 01:53.38 | sney | ritmo: yes |
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| 01:53.54 | blackop | trek00: but it shows fine if i could install xfce at first time |
| 01:53.54 | sney | blackop: yeah if you want to use the network icon in xfce, you have to give up /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:54.07 | blackop | so what should i do ? |
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| 01:54.19 | trek00 | blackop: just comment the lines added to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:54.21 | blackop | delete my config in interfaces? |
| 01:54.25 | dvs | blackop, no |
| 01:54.26 | blackop | ok |
| 01:54.40 | sney | comment with # in front of the lines you added |
| 01:54.43 | dvs | blackop, comment out the interfaces you want to show up in network mananger |
| 01:54.55 | ritmo | sney: ok i added it, now i apt install deb-multimedia-keyring ? |
| 01:55.17 | sney | ritmo: save the file, run 'apt update', then follow those instructions, then 'apt install youtube-dl' |
| 01:55.28 | blackop | and reboot? |
| 01:55.29 | trek00 | blackop: then you need to reboot and see if network manager runs fine, if not you can recover un-commenting again those lines |
| 01:55.33 | blackop | ok |
| 01:55.35 | blackop | brb |
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| 01:56.31 | ritmo | sney: ran the update, which instructions? im so sorry i think i'm almost there now^^ |
| 01:56.41 | ritmo | the one on the dmm website? |
| 01:57.05 | ritmo | ay ay; install is deb-multimedia-keyring |
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| 01:57.24 | trek00 | ritmo: after you changed /etc/apt/sources.list you need to apt update && apt install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 01:57.51 | ritmo | E: Unable to locate package deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 01:57.58 | ritmo | i changed the file tho |
| 01:58.06 | trek00 | ritmo: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:58.37 | sney | ritmo: did you run 'apt update' after saving sources.list? |
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| 01:58.48 | ritmo | yes, yes |
| 01:58.58 | blackop | thank you again :) |
| 01:58.59 | ritmo | # |
| 01:58.59 | ritmo | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.2.0 _Buster_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20191116-09:56]/ buster contrib main non-free |
| 01:58.59 | ritmo | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.2.0 _Buster_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20191116-09:56]/ buster contrib main non-free |
| 01:59.00 | ritmo | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib |
| 01:59.00 | ritmo | deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib |
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| 01:59.05 | blackop | wifi icon shows up there |
| 01:59.14 | trek00 | blackop: good! :) |
| 01:59.24 | blackop | next issue how can i set solid color background in desktop? :p |
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| 01:59.37 | ritmo | all right |
| 01:59.39 | trek00 | ritmo: don't pste here |
| 01:59.42 | trek00 | !paste |
| 01:59.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 01:59.47 | ritmo | i learned that now^^ |
| 01:59.52 | trek00 | :) |
| 02:00.17 | cOrOnICk[20] | debian or bust |
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| 02:00.32 | ritmo | https://i.imgur.com/Dl1WWOZ.png |
| 02:00.41 | trek00 | blackop: may be this help? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2299138 |
| 02:01.07 | blackop | looking |
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| 02:01.39 | ritmo | sney: https://i.imgur.com/Dl1WWOZ.png it's added i guess |
| 02:01.56 | sney | ritmo: yeah, can you pastebin the output of when you run 'apt update' ? |
| 02:02.18 | blackop | trek00: it was too simple to ask.. |
| 02:02.26 | blackop | thank you |
| 02:02.39 | trek00 | :) |
| 02:02.55 | ritmo | https://pastebin.com/xUiAG7GV |
| 02:03.21 | blackop | now i need to tweak and edit myself :p |
| 02:04.12 | sney | ritmo: ah, see the instructions where it says " After you have added the necessary line in /etc/apt/sources.list the first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring." tell you how to deal with this exactly |
| 02:04.29 | trek00 | ritmo: may be you need to type: apt-get update -oAcquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true |
| 02:04.31 | sney | if you just read instructions and follow them, usually things go a lot faster. strange, I know. |
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| 02:05.46 | ritmo | if you're a newbie, very very often, unfortunately, instructions are very very unclear |
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| 02:06.02 | blackop | agree :p |
| 02:06.34 | ritmo | ok i did apt-get update -oAcquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true now but i think it did the same again now |
| 02:06.38 | blackop | i was a very newbie before but now i started understanding them by time |
| 02:07.00 | trek00 | ritmo: now try again apt install deb-multimedia-keyring |
| 02:07.13 | sney | but when things are unclear you still shouldn't go "I don't understand this step so I skipped it. ok it didn't work, I wonder why" |
| 02:07.27 | ritmo | ok worked, got it installed |
| 02:08.10 | trek00 | learning computers is like learning new languages, it needs some time to get better :) |
| 02:08.11 | ritmo | I don't but.. what sometimes it's not you didn't understand a step, you don't even understand it was a step you had to do, or that it was there at all^^ |
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| 02:08.34 | ritmo | exactly it's like when you are missing some grammar that you just never knew you had to use |
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| 02:09.08 | ritmo | trek00: got it, thanks |
| 02:09.21 | trek00 | ritmo: now you should be able to install youtube-dl |
| 02:09.27 | ritmo | and now i can just install youtube0dl and it will pull the newest release? |
| 02:09.48 | trek00 | uhm |
| 02:09.58 | trek00 | may be there is another step.. |
| 02:10.15 | sney | yes, 'apt install youtube-dl' and it should pull the 2020.x version from deb-multimedia. |
| 02:10.21 | sney | if it doesn't, we can take a closer look. |
| 02:10.53 | ritmo | youtube-dl --version |
| 02:10.54 | ritmo | 2020.03.24 |
| 02:11.00 | ritmo | well, that's quite something :D |
| 02:11.04 | sney | boom |
| 02:11.31 | sney | now, it's in your best interest to disable deb-multimedia in sources.list for now, so you don't accidentally update all of your media players to weird modified versions |
| 02:11.48 | ritmo | oh wow, and it immediately starts downloading a video like it should, thats amazing |
| 02:11.49 | sney | just go back into that file and put a # in front of the line you added. save, and apt update. |
| 02:12.03 | ritmo | okok |
| 02:13.19 | ritmo | alright, has a hastag infront now |
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| 02:13.33 | ritmo | when i do a general update for my system. what will happen to this package? |
| 02:13.42 | ritmo | i suppose it will not update from the normal apt version |
| 02:13.50 | sney | it won't downgrade, no |
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| 02:14.09 | sney | since that package is newer than what apt has available, it'll just leave it alone |
| 02:14.15 | ritmo | so if i want that i remove the hashtag and upgrade only that one particular package? |
| 02:14.23 | fuxxy | I'm running mkdir -p "$(/var/run/user/"$(whoami)")" from a service user with no bash (I'm actually using 'su serviceuser -s /bin/bash -c "command"), and I'm getting "no such file or directory". Is this because the user doesnt have a shell? |
| 02:15.40 | sney | ritmo: yeah, if youtube-dl stops working again, odds are deb-multimedia will have a newer one, so that would be the right approach |
| 02:15.49 | trek00 | fuxxy: it's wrong the command |
| 02:16.26 | fuxxy | trek00, well, hell. I'll have to figure out how to make a complete folder heirarchy then |
| 02:16.29 | ritmo | :) ok. thank you so so so so much! really really helpful and i actually learned something aswell! big thank you if you drop me a BTC addy in private chat i will tip you some. also thanks to trek00 ! |
| 02:16.33 | trek00 | fuxxy: you need only mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)" |
| 02:16.44 | sney | ritmo: no problem, enjoy! |
| 02:17.14 | fuxxy | trek00, shellcheck suggest I quote the command, and stopped complaining after I did |
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| 02:18.06 | trek00 | fuxxy: $(comman) execute a command, but /var/run/user/ isn't a command |
| 02:18.24 | fuxxy | oh, I see now |
| 02:18.25 | trek00 | fuxxy: whoami is a command |
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| 02:18.51 | fuxxy | I need to drop the preceeding $( and the trailing ) |
| 02:19.34 | trek00 | fuxxy: yes it should be: mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)" |
| 02:19.59 | fuxxy | mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)" |
| 02:20.13 | ritmo | byebye everyone, thanks again! have a great day/night :) |
| 02:20.14 | fuxxy | bam, perfect. Lets test |
| 02:20.23 | trek00 | ritmo: good night! :) |
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| 02:20.54 | Guest6 | Hey guys I got a netbook with 1 GB of ram what distro do you guys recommend to put on it? |
| 02:21.15 | sney | this is #debian so you should install debian |
| 02:21.23 | Guest6 | XFCE was surprisingly running on my netbook with 1GB of ram but I want something lighter |
| 02:21.26 | trek00 | Guest6: debian is ok, but you should not install the default desktop environment |
| 02:21.39 | trek00 | Guest6: try LXDE |
| 02:21.41 | sney | anyway, I had an eeepc with 1GB that ran lxqt pretty well |
| 02:21.44 | Guest6 | I was able to do light text editing in XFCE |
| 02:21.50 | trek00 | LXQT |
| 02:22.04 | Guest6 | so LXQT is being recommended over older LXDE? |
| 02:22.07 | sney | once you launch any browser, performance goes downhill, but that's just the web these days |
| 02:22.29 | sney | I think lxqt and lxde are probably equal in terms of performance, I just happen to like lxqt more |
| 02:22.30 | Guest6 | I really am not sure what to use this netbook for though as my main pc is really all I need. |
| 02:22.57 | Guest6 | The netbook has 1GB of ram and 256 GB of storage |
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| 02:23.13 | sney | that's pretty good, my eee only has 1GB of ram and 60 GB of storage |
| 02:23.23 | search_social | Guest6: atm i use my netbook to listen to music because i can't figure out how to get pulseaudio to share a stream across my different user accounts in debian |
| 02:23.30 | Guest6 | Downloading lxqt debian now |
| 02:23.42 | sney | you may be able to upgrade the ram to 2 GB for not very much money, that would be a good idea since it would make the internet more usable |
| 02:24.09 | sney | I used my eee for writing things in the bath, but it's 10 years old and the motherboard crapped out. |
| 02:24.12 | Guest6 | True, I'm fine with no internet as surprisingly when I booted up firefox I was able to surf the web although not that good |
| 02:24.28 | Guest6 | I was thinking maybe I can use it to have text on the side for me to review |
| 02:24.35 | Guest6 | maybe I can use lynx? |
| 02:24.40 | Guest6 | for web browser |
| 02:24.42 | trek00 | Guest6: disabling javascript will make firefox faster |
| 02:24.50 | Guest6 | noscript? |
| 02:25.09 | trek00 | Guest6: i usually modify javascript.enable inside about:config |
| 02:25.14 | jim | hmm, in my /var/run/user there is only a dir 1000 |
| 02:25.21 | search_social | atm my computer is using 840M RAM for everything except firefox and 7000M RAM for firefox |
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| 02:26.12 | Guest6 | yah firefox is resource intensive |
| 02:26.16 | trek00 | search_social: :D |
| 02:26.23 | search_social | what do you guys think about ungoogled_chromium and icecat which are what spyware.neocities.org recommends? |
| 02:26.37 | trek00 | search_social: i closed firefox inside a 2GB cgroup, or it will trash all my filesystem cache |
| 02:26.55 | search_social | oh that's cool i just learned cgroup to try to limit minetest cpu usage |
| 02:27.10 | search_social | but it made it really laggy, i'm not sure if it really needs that much cpu or cgroups is just too coarse-grained |
| 02:27.14 | Eggman1 | i need to figure out how to change display resolution in i3 WM |
| 02:27.29 | Guest6 | oh you know what |
| 02:27.41 | Guest6 | Couldnt I just change lxqt to a window manager instead? |
| 02:27.46 | Guest6 | for better performance? |
| 02:27.48 | Eggman1 | in KVM VM |
| 02:28.00 | search_social | i3-wm has done pretty much everything i need Guest6 |
| 02:28.07 | InvisibleRasta | guys what happened to the package libav-tools in buster? |
| 02:28.12 | search_social | as long as you learn how to turn on the internet from the command line |
| 02:28.12 | InvisibleRasta | i wanted to isntall it |
| 02:28.15 | trek00 | Guest6: i use openbox+fbpanel, but LXQT/LXDE have similar memory footprint |
| 02:28.22 | sney | Guest6: it probably won't make much difference since lxqt isn't very memory intensive |
| 02:28.39 | Guest6 | I used i3 for a while until I couldn't get over my ocd in regards to ricing |
| 02:28.57 | Guest6 | I would reinstall my pc a lot of times just get the perfect rice the first time |
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| 02:29.58 | Guest6 | gonna install debian with lxqt now and see how it works on this old netbook |
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| 02:31.47 | trek00 | InvisibleRasta: probably you need to install ffmpeg |
| 02:32.10 | trek00 | InvisibleRasta: there is no more libav-tools |
| 02:32.10 | Guest6 | ffmpeg? |
| 02:32.18 | trek00 | InvisibleRasta: see https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libav-tools |
| 02:32.23 | fuxxy | Now I've got to figure out how to call this python script from the same service user as before. "ModuleNotFoundError: no module named 'service_core'. I'm thinking a PATH variable, or lack thereov |
| 02:32.29 | search_social | InvisibleRasta: do you use apt-file? |
| 02:32.30 | Guest6 | what if I install the non free version? |
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| 02:32.55 | Guest6 | kind of just want to see if lxqt will boot on this pc |
| 02:33.45 | trek00 | Guest6 non free version of the iso image? it contains firmware too |
| 02:34.27 | Guest6 | yah |
| 02:34.38 | trek00 | fuxxy: you can set PATH on the commandline: PATH=/your/preferred/path:$PATH command |
| 02:34.58 | trek00 | Guest6: it's ok |
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| 02:35.33 | fuxxy | I was going to PATH=$PATH:/somewhere in the script, but first I gotta figure out what path is needed |
| 02:36.03 | Guest6 | Is Hexchat what everyone using for IRC? I am using the kiwi web client right now. |
| 02:36.31 | fuxxy | hmm, maybe $PYTHONPATH |
| 02:36.41 | fuxxy | nope |
| 02:37.01 | trek00 | fuxxy: well not it should be a python module, PATH is not the right fix |
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| 02:37.43 | fuxxy | gotta figure out what points the shell to /usr/lib/python3.5/dist-packages |
| 02:38.02 | trek00 | fuxxy: sadly i don't know how to deal with python |
| 02:38.11 | dvs | Guest6 either that or irssi |
| 02:38.30 | trek00 | Guest6: i'm using pidgin |
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| 02:39.17 | trek00 | Guest6 but is too much big to be used only as an irc client |
| 02:39.25 | Guest6 | @trek00 pidgin? oh yah that is what comes with Whonix |
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| 02:41.29 | fuxxy | this may be it. /usr/bin/python points to python2.7, and this is a 3.5 python app. Let's try calling /usr/bin/python3.5 directly |
| 02:42.01 | Guest6 | Damn this coronavirus is crazy though |
| 02:42.06 | Guest6 | Stay safe everyone |
| 02:42.28 | Guest6 | and I keep getting ads on youtube about whether or not I am in support of Trump |
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| 02:44.24 | fuxxy | no bueno |
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| 02:52.18 | fuxxy | bah. Still nothing. Bedtime |
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| 03:45.48 | cOrOnICk[20] | is it possible to had mint moist to a ventilator? |
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| 03:56.56 | sponix | !ssb |
| 03:56.56 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:58.30 | annadane | i'm actually curious wy step 2 is necessary |
| 03:58.32 | annadane | why* |
| 03:59.06 | annadane | you're making a self backport, not anything from official backports |
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| 04:07.50 | Unit193 | annadane: You may need updated build-depends. |
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| 04:12.36 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone |
| 04:12.56 | Gryllida | hi rocketmagnet :) |
| 04:13.14 | rocketmagnet | i have a problem, i've made the latest updates but since then my linux wont start anymore |
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| 04:13.44 | Gryllida | what does it say? |
| 04:13.58 | rocketmagnet | i now run the previous version and that is working, how can i make the new version working ? |
| 04:14.23 | rocketmagnet | i get no error message |
| 04:14.47 | rocketmagnet | it just hangs when it normaly should show me the login screen |
| 04:15.19 | rocketmagnet | where can i see the error logs ? |
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| 04:16.14 | sney | rocketmagnet: are you using proprietary video drivers? it might not have built the new module to go with the kernel upgrade |
| 04:16.24 | rocketmagnet | ahhh |
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| 04:17.00 | rocketmagnet | that's it, i've not yet compiled the n-vidia drivers for the new version |
| 04:18.27 | sney | rocketmagnet: so, install the linux-headers-amd64 package and it'll probably auto build the driver. if not, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver |
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| 04:18.58 | rocketmagnet | i've installed it with the official drivers from nvidia.com |
| 04:19.11 | sponix | If I have something marked to install from like backports. But I decided I want that one to go back to buster stable. Anyone know how I go about doing that ? |
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| 04:19.23 | sponix | Or what I should be Googling for ? |
| 04:20.06 | sney | rocketmagnet: in that case you probably need to re-run the installer script. but it might break things. you're on your own with that |
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| 04:20.20 | rocketmagnet | i know |
| 04:20.36 | sney | sponix: uninstall the package, disable backports, apt update, install the package again |
| 04:20.52 | Delf | Who broke my Debian? Multi seat doesn't work properly since I upgraded to stable. It was working fine with old stable. |
| 04:21.02 | rocketmagnet | i'll restart in rescue mode and install the driver, brb |
| 04:21.21 | sney | sponix: if there are any significant config syntax differences you might get weird breakage but that depends on what it is |
| 04:21.39 | sney | Delf: sounds like you broke your debian. did you check the release notes for anything relevant? |
| 04:22.13 | Delf | sney: I did read ALL the release notes, nothing mentioned about multi-seat. How did I break Debian? |
| 04:23.01 | sney | I'm not sure what you mean specifically by multi-seat, but if you did the upgrade from stretch to buster, it was you, that's all |
| 04:23.05 | sponix | sney: this is obs-studio... Going to try it that way. Thanks |
| 04:23.43 | sney | Delf: if you give some more details on what exactly isn't working, then there will be more useful support |
| 04:24.44 | Delf | sney: A while ago, I did a clean install, just to make sure that it wasn't any of my configs causing the issue. |
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| 04:25.17 | rocketmagnet | it worked, thank you guys for the fast help |
| 04:25.38 | sney | np |
| 04:26.29 | Delf | sney: I can assign gpu's to seats and attach relevant usb devices (keyboard, mouse etc). I can login. However⦠when seat1 or seat2 logs out, they're seat becomes unusable. gdm does not start unless the user on seat0 logs off. |
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| 04:29.20 | sney | ahhh like proper terminal server multi-seat. ok. I'm not familiar with the internals there. is it possible that wayland is getting in the way? |
| 04:30.00 | Delf | Good question. I have no idea :S |
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| 04:30.26 | sponix | sney: That works.. It acted like it wanted to "upgrade" them when I toggled the repos back on. But I just did a "apt-mark hold obs-studio" and that shut it up for now :) |
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| 04:30.49 | sney | Delf: what desktop environment are you running for those clients? default gnome? |
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| 04:33.48 | Delf | sney: Yes |
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| 04:34.41 | sney | then I suspect wayland involvement. gdm does offer a gnome-xorg option afaik, so try making that the default and see how it goes |
| 04:34.52 | sney | but wayland is the default for gnome as of buster |
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| 04:37.02 | Delf | Err⦠I've no idea where to change the default for gdm |
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| 04:37.27 | sney | nor I, since I'm a longtime kde user. but it's probably documented. |
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| 04:37.47 | sponix | sney: thanks for the advice on how to approach that |
| 04:37.52 | sney | sponix: np |
| 04:37.54 | annadane | can you not select it from the login screen? |
| 04:37.59 | annadane | top right corner or something? |
| 04:38.13 | annadane | it's there *somewhere* on the login screen |
| 04:38.17 | sney | annadane: I think there's a difference between changing it once and changing the default before the fact |
| 04:38.26 | Delf | sney: WaylandEnable=false @ /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf |
| 04:38.27 | annadane | seriously? eww... |
| 04:38.31 | sney | but idk maybe not |
| 04:38.40 | Delf | Thanks! I'm going to reboot and try. |
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| 04:39.12 | sney | annadane: I mean setting it before gdm even loads the first time. |
| 04:39.23 | sney | I guess we'll see if this works |
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| 04:47.50 | sponix2ipfw | sney: maybe one day I will be able to fight the urge to chase version numbers. And will have a problem free system |
| 04:48.35 | Delf | sney: Still the same :/ |
| 04:50.12 | sney | Delf: well, I'm fading right now. you might have better luck in #gnome or #gdm on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:51.17 | Delf | Thanks you sney! |
| 04:51.35 | sney | np |
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| 05:28.15 | warsoul | i was navigating on internet now using firefox |
| 05:28.21 | warsoul | for some reason i got freeze |
| 05:28.38 | warsoul | how can i check what happen or why |
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| 05:42.25 | boubou | Hi, |
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| 05:42.58 | boubou | I need to have the r300_cp firmware in my debian install |
| 05:43.10 | boubou | What do I need to do ? |
| 05:43.33 | boubou | Just put it in a firmware folder on the root ? |
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| 06:03.52 | pc-user_ | hello everyone |
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| 06:05.21 | pc-user_ | is it possible to download and use version 10.3 testing as a normal to avoid older packages in stable? |
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| 06:11.18 | jm_ | boubou: is that for radeon? |
| 06:11.54 | boubou | yes |
| 06:12.04 | nkuttler | pc-user_: 10.3 of what? |
| 06:12.17 | jm_ | boubou: does kernel tell you exact filename it needs? it should |
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| 06:12.30 | boubou | yes |
| 06:12.34 | jm_ | pc-user_: what exactly do you want to achieve? |
| 06:12.56 | boubou | without that firmware, my screen goes blank |
| 06:13.39 | jm_ | !radeon firmware |
| 06:13.39 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
| 06:13.46 | jm_ | try that |
| 06:14.41 | boubou | yes but when I do a fresh install of debian, all went good |
| 06:15.05 | jm_ | possible if you used non-free firmware image |
| 06:15.12 | pc-user_ | Debian |
| 06:15.14 | boubou | but when the laptop reboot, the screen goes blank and before I saw an error of radeao |
| 06:15.33 | pc-user_ | more up to date packages |
| 06:15.35 | jm_ | boubou: make sure you installed the packages listed above |
| 06:15.47 | jm_ | pc-user_: no, don't mix stable and testing |
| 06:15.56 | boubou | How can I install the firmware when I install my OS ? |
| 06:16.03 | jm_ | !firmware images |
| 06:16.03 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:16.16 | jm_ | boubou: installed using images listed above |
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| 06:17.29 | boubou | jm_ its not a 64bits machine ;) |
| 06:17.43 | jm_ | boubou: then just use equivalent i386 image |
| 06:17.46 | boubou | its an i386 |
| 06:17.51 | boubou | ok |
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| 06:20.00 | boubou | jm_ if I correctly understand, I just need to download and install the os with that iso ? firmware-10.3.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:20.08 | pc-user_ | Im referring to running testing only not stable |
| 06:20.24 | jm_ | boubou: yes |
| 06:20.35 | boubou | ok thanks |
| 06:20.39 | jm_ | no problem |
| 06:20.42 | boubou | I will try it 2momor |
| 06:20.45 | boubou | u rox |
| 06:20.48 | pc-user_ | Im using Fedora 31 Cinnamon at present |
| 06:20.52 | boubou | peace and health |
| 06:20.53 | jm_ | if you want to use testing then think about this: |
| 06:20.57 | jm_ | !testing security |
| 06:20.57 | dpkg | Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing ; «deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main» can be used (but will be empty). |
| 06:21.40 | boubou | jm_: who are yon the debian community ? |
| 06:21.44 | boubou | dev ? |
| 06:21.49 | boubou | admin ? |
| 06:23.37 | jm_ | boubou: just a long time user |
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| 06:24.32 | boubou | OK |
| 06:25.29 | boubou | Do you know if I can run a chocolatey repositery server on debian 8 |
| 06:25.33 | boubou | ? |
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| 06:26.50 | jm_ | sorry, no idea what that is :) |
| 06:27.13 | boubou | ok |
| 06:27.33 | pc-user_ | dpkg thanks I guess thats why some use ubuntu or Mint |
| 06:27.33 | dpkg | pc-user_: no worries |
| 06:28.33 | pc-user_ | sys admins at a Linux club I go to use Ubuntu with xfce which surprised me a bit |
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| 06:29.44 | pc-user_ | I was not impressed with shuttleworth putting Amazon spyware in Ubuntu |
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| 06:42.43 | pc-user_ | bye |
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| 07:29.31 | dka | hello |
| 07:29.39 | dka | I have my main partition almost full : /dev/nvme0n1p3 92G 85G 2.5G 98% / |
| 07:29.44 | dka | How can I make some space :X |
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| 07:31.45 | nkuttler | dka: try apt-get clean, and check /var/log for big files |
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| 07:32.54 | dka | the whole /var/log is 50Mo |
| 07:32.56 | dka | so it can't be it |
| 07:33.08 | dka | apt-get clean free up 5Go |
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| 07:34.32 | dka | I can see a lot of /dev/loopN |
| 07:34.34 | dka | with /snap etc... |
| 07:34.37 | jelly | dka, du -x / | sort -n | tail -n 30 |
| 07:34.39 | dka | they take about 1GO |
| 07:34.40 | dka | can I clean it ? |
| 07:34.51 | dka | 2.9G./snap |
| 07:35.02 | dka | jelly, I am already running : dka@dka:[/]: sudo du -h --max-depth=1 |
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| 07:35.09 | dka | what is /snap ? |
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| 07:35.38 | dka | I am about to `sudo rm -rf /snap` |
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| 07:35.43 | jelly | dka, using max-depth is not smart, you don't see where the space is ACTUALLY taken, and do not forget -x |
| 07:35.59 | jelly | those /snap are not real mountpoints taking space on disk. |
| 07:36.23 | dka | how do they take 2.9G ? |
| 07:36.37 | jelly | they don't take space on / directly. |
| 07:36.44 | dka | where? |
| 07:36.47 | jelly | use -x option for du. |
| 07:36.50 | Pitron_Cresse | Bonjour |
| 07:36.55 | dka | yes your command is actually running now |
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| 07:37.22 | jelly | dka, if you have millions of files it might be better to redirect output of du -x / into a file first |
| 07:37.25 | dka | https://gist.github.com/kopax/4d5f96c07ecb9d17b3213b5886fd7922 |
| 07:37.27 | jelly | df -i |
| 07:37.29 | dka | this is the stdfout |
| 07:37.47 | jelly | so you have 60GB of docker stuff. |
| 07:38.30 | jelly | dka, I strongly suggest using a separate mount point and filesystem for /var/lib/docker |
| 07:38.54 | dka | yes but now I can't format |
| 07:39.56 | jelly | and you have 1GB of snaps in total, really |
| 07:40.06 | dka | I have already clean all the images using `docker images -a -q | xargs docker rmi` |
| 07:40.15 | dka | I use a few image such as postgresql, openldap, phpldapadmin |
| 07:40.28 | wrksx | dka: it's not the images it's the data |
| 07:40.34 | dka | but not more, I am not building images on my host, it's very rare, I use my platform with continuous integration for that |
| 07:40.38 | jelly | I don't know anything about docker, sorry |
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| 07:40.59 | wrksx | the images volumes are where container persist data on your hard drive |
| 07:41.07 | dka | What data, I have nothing that store that except an empty mysql database and an empty openldap database |
| 07:41.10 | jelly | maybe you uninstall the whole docker and delete all the files and reinstall it |
| 07:41.22 | jelly | dka, there's 68GB of SOMETHING |
| 07:41.25 | dka | yes, apparently docker is not cleaning itself properly |
| 07:42.06 | wrksx | dka: it's not going to delete persisted data by default |
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| 07:42.12 | chocolate | df command keep running forever, and doesnt display any output... I thought it was because of trying to mount a NFS I had and it is not using anymore, I deleted then the entry on fstab and run mount -a, but didn't work. Any advice is appreciated... thanks |
| 07:42.23 | jelly | chocolate, reboot |
| 07:42.56 | wrksx | dka: check out the `docker volume` command |
| 07:42.57 | chocolate | it is a dedicated server, rebooting is the last option |
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| 07:43.10 | nkuttler | dka: i just run a docker system prune every night.. though i have also seen buggy older docker releases where this left files |
| 07:43.14 | chocolate | but I appreciate the suggestion jelly |
| 07:43.35 | jelly | "mount -a" does not umount things, it only mounts stuff from fstab that's not mounted right now |
| 07:44.06 | jelly | chocolate, then convince the nfs server to come back |
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| 07:44.27 | dka | https://gist.github.com/kopax/4d5f96c07ecb9d17b3213b5886fd7922#file-docker-volume-ls-log |
| 07:44.31 | dka | that's the result of docker volume ls |
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| 07:45.43 | dka | nkuttler, docker system prune says: Total reclaimed space: 0B |
| 07:45.57 | dka | it's not it |
| 07:47.03 | wrksx | dka: I can't guide you more than that, try to see what container use these volumes, and if you don't need those anymore you can simply `docker volume rm` these |
| 07:47.20 | dka | Yes I obviously don't need any |
| 07:47.33 | dka | understood |
| 07:47.34 | wrksx | oh really |
| 07:47.47 | wrksx | then just get rid of them but be 100% sure |
| 07:47.53 | dka | yes |
| 07:47.54 | dka | I am sure |
| 07:48.01 | dka | I don't need them |
| 07:48.08 | dka | docker is doing bad things it shouldn't be there |
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| 07:48.25 | dka | I am used to clean builded images if I do, to stop container |
| 07:48.33 | dka | I do not need any docker service daily |
| 07:48.36 | dka | it's just while doing devleopment |
| 07:48.47 | dka | and currently I only need 3 container that I can restart from scratch |
| 07:48.55 | dka | I better clean everything and start over |
| 07:49.30 | wrksx | dka: okay. Just make sure to monitor your docker volumes next time to see if they grow rapidly |
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| 07:50.42 | dka | and... it's cleaning |
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| 07:51.57 | dka | :)/dev/nvme0n1p3 92G 16G 72G 18% / |
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| 07:52.11 | dka | can you believe that I had 80% of disk space use for nothing ? |
| 07:52.24 | wrksx | Yes |
| 07:52.35 | dka | Docker is obviously doing something wrong, there was nothing that should have kept this volumes |
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| 07:53.12 | wrksx | read on volumes, basically it's meant to persist data. If data were deleted every time it wouldn't persist much |
| 07:53.30 | wrksx | dka: but I'm glad you solved your problem |
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| 07:55.16 | wrksx | btw if you can implement what jelly said (separate partition mounted on /var/lib/docker) so it can't fill up the root partition |
| 07:56.30 | dka | I don't know how to do it after format |
| 07:56.44 | dka | I mean, I don't know how I can do that without fucking up the whole system |
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| 07:59.28 | dka | wrksx, by removing the volumes |
| 07:59.45 | dka | was it docker volumes that were not mounted ? |
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| 07:59.57 | wrksx | dka: I don't understand. |
| 08:00.06 | dka | I mean, was it volumes that were supposed to be non persistent or did I also clean the content usefull ? |
| 08:00.17 | dka | -v /srv/mydata:/data |
| 08:00.28 | dka | I expect when I shut down this container and remove it to remove the volume and keep /srv/mydata |
| 08:00.35 | dka | and that's what I am doing |
| 08:00.46 | dka | so removing volume that should be unregistered should not delete it |
| 08:00.59 | wrksx | but you just deleted it |
| 08:01.03 | wrksx | didn't you? |
| 08:01.34 | dka | I don't know |
| 08:02.02 | wrksx | -v /srv/mydata:/data is not using docker volumes I believe |
| 08:02.33 | dka | I believe that if you remove the container started with that line, then the volume should be destroyed |
| 08:02.40 | dka | and I did remove all container before doing this |
| 08:02.49 | dka | I believe that if you remove the container started with that line, then the local data should be destroyed |
| 08:02.54 | dka | should not |
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| 08:03.31 | dka | It's not big , because everything that can be mounted can be deleted on my host |
| 08:03.34 | wrksx | dka: Images can specify volumes, if they do it'll create a volume to persist their data. Mysql probably does this. |
| 08:03.38 | dka | but just wondering in case this happen in production |
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| 08:06.38 | wrksx | https://hub.docker.com/r/mysql/mysql-server/dockerfile |
| 08:06.45 | wrksx | -> VOLUME /var/lib/mysql |
| 08:07.21 | wrksx | I believe this means 'create a volume to persist data in the container directory /var/lib/mysql' |
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| 08:07.49 | wrksx | I don't think it's going to delete the volume when you stop/rm the container or image |
| 08:07.55 | wrksx | but you can experiment on that |
| 08:08.00 | wrksx | dka: ^ |
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| 08:08.31 | dka | hmm |
| 08:08.34 | dka | that's the reason |
| 08:08.40 | dka | maybe |
| 08:08.45 | dka | yes, that could be an explanation |
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| 08:09.25 | wrksx | just give it a try =) create a container and see if it creates a volume, inspect the volume. Then remove the container and image and checkout if the volume is still present |
| 08:10.04 | wrksx | dka: in production you REALLY don't want to have docker consume space of the root partition |
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| 08:10.58 | dka | it's too late |
| 08:10.59 | dka | I already did that |
| 08:11.02 | dka | and now production is running |
| 08:11.06 | dka | I don't know how to change this |
| 08:11.10 | dka | but in a next installation |
| 08:11.13 | dka | I will change this |
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| 08:11.18 | dka | But again, I do not decide that |
| 08:11.37 | wrksx | you're the admin of the server aren't u |
| 08:11.40 | dka | sorry, I cannot decide that now, I don't know how to create partition safely when things are running |
| 08:11.43 | dka | I am |
| 08:12.34 | wrksx | I wouldn't like to resize partition on a lonely production server |
| 08:12.37 | wrksx | either |
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| 08:13.19 | jelly | you could merely grow it IF it was on LVM and not a partition directly, and there was enough disk space somewhere |
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| 08:13.46 | jelly | but if you want to create a separate new mountpoint, moving the data will require downtime |
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| 08:14.55 | jelly | this is possibly the single best reason to use LVM, being able to extend only those filesystems that need it |
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| 08:16.45 | dka | I can shut down the container |
| 08:16.58 | dka | I must keep the endpoint from where volumes are mounted |
| 08:17.04 | dka | and volumes are mounted all in /srv |
| 08:17.18 | dka | so that mean I would only need to create a partition for /srv and /var/lib/docker |
| 08:17.25 | dka | Perhaps if you guys are 100% confident |
| 08:17.34 | dka | I can test it on my host, then try to do it on a small server in prod |
| 08:17.35 | dka | etc... |
| 08:17.55 | dka | But I don't feel doing it today, just broke up, I don't want more stress in case bad things happen |
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| 08:19.42 | jelly | you WILL want to schedule an hour or two of downtime if you're doing this the first time |
| 08:20.22 | wrksx | dka: just experiment a lot before trying this out. Use VM. And next time you setup some system, try to think about LVM and how it can provide flexibility |
| 08:21.21 | dka | I've heard that a lot, LVM, perhaps I should first learn LVM |
| 08:21.58 | dka | also, because of the low capacity of my startup (only me) I didn't upgrade debian so often in order to avoid problem that I couldn't pay for |
| 08:22.02 | dka | So the system are not up to date |
| 08:22.06 | dka | that would be a good reason to start over |
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| 08:22.49 | dka | I am not even sure if I can upgrade now |
| 08:22.51 | dka | Linux master-sbg-01 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:47:33 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:23.30 | dka | it's running on debian 8.9 |
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| 08:39.45 | jelly | dka, that's a not-debian kernel, but Debian 8 is still getting security updates via LTS |
| 08:40.22 | jelly | make sure you have debian-security-support package installed to be aware if you have or use any pieces of software that are not being patched any more |
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| 08:40.29 | jelly | !lts |
| 08:40.29 | dpkg | Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:40.36 | jelly | !jessie-lts |
| 08:40.37 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
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| 08:51.46 | dka | jelly, 5 years till june 30 2020 ? |
| 08:51.47 | dka | it's soon |
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| 08:52.06 | wrksx | yeah you're close to end of support |
| 08:52.25 | dka | well, I did not run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for a while |
| 08:52.30 | dka | what happen if I get to the end of supprot ? |
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| 08:52.54 | wrksx | no security patches anymore |
| 08:53.55 | dka | Ok, bad sys admin thing |
| 08:54.07 | dka | but i was not taking them, cause i couldn't take the time |
| 08:54.23 | jelly | dka, no more patches unless you pay for ELTS |
| 08:54.29 | jelly | !ELTS |
| 08:54.29 | dpkg | Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/ |
| 08:54.38 | jelly | that will happen for jessie as well. |
| 08:54.40 | wrksx | oh I didn't know about that |
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| 08:55.46 | jelly | if you pay, you give the ELTS team your set of packages installed, and they backport security patches just for those. If you do not pay, you can STILL use the ELTS repo tu get patches for packages other companies have paid for. |
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| 08:56.10 | jelly | 5 years from jessie, Debian 8.0 release |
| 08:56.15 | jelly | !release history |
| 08:56.15 | dpkg | Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 08:56.19 | wrksx | jelly: that's amazing |
| 08:56.35 | wrksx | Debian is amazing in every way |
| 08:57.22 | jelly | of course it's better to do release upgrade to an actually supported Debian release like Debian 9 or 10 |
| 08:57.56 | jelly | but if you have prod systems making money, LTS and ELTS are a good additional option |
| 08:58.43 | diogenes_ | and what will happen when then run out of Toy Story names? |
| 08:58.52 | diogenes_ | they* |
| 08:58.59 | wrksx | end of the world |
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| 08:59.58 | joze | disney will make a new one |
| 09:00.02 | joze | for GNU |
| 09:00.28 | diogenes_ | maybe we gonna see a goofy 1.0 |
| 09:00.39 | jelly | diogenes_, that's after 2040-2050 or so I think |
| 09:01.19 | jelly | diogenes_, wikipedia probably has a List_of_Toy_Story_characters, you do the math and report back here |
| 09:01.22 | diogenes_ | jelly, it would mean they still gonna have to fix the 2038 bug. |
| 09:01.58 | jelly | that bug HAS to be fixed anyway. |
| 09:02.10 | jelly | where will still be 32bit systems in 2038 |
| 09:02.14 | jelly | there* |
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| 09:02.32 | diogenes_ | i doubt there will. |
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| 09:03.17 | jelly | diogenes_, there are COBOL mainframes or emulators with code bases from 1970-1980s still running |
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| 09:04.49 | diogenes_ | jelly, those were built before the conspiracy theory regarding planned obsolescence. |
| 09:05.13 | diogenes_ | so they will run forever. |
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| 11:17.09 | NetTerminalGene | my firefox takes time to loal web pages in first launch. do you guys have such problem |
| 11:17.21 | NetTerminalGene | it took 30-40 seconds |
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| 11:26.40 | juanosorio9402 | hello everyone. I want to ask you guys a pretty basic question.. Is there a specific place where I can place symbolic links, so that they are globally available on my terminal? |
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| 11:30.35 | jedenastka | um... there is /usr/local/bin, but what you need is probably editing PATH variable |
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| 11:31.07 | jedenastka | https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
| 11:31.34 | juanosorio9402 | okay |
| 11:31.36 | juanosorio9402 | thanks |
| 11:31.45 | kzar | It seems Node.js 10.17.0 was added to testing at the end of October last year, I'm trying to figure out if/when that will be added to stable. Any ideas? |
| 11:31.59 | kzar | (It's relevant to a discussion about which version of Node.js we need to support for some code.) |
| 11:33.03 | kzar | It seems stable is currently on 10.15.2 |
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| 11:34.01 | juanosorio9402 | like I have sometimes a hard time knowing where to store things I install like lately firefox dev edition, it is actually on my home dir, but I guess it is better to move it into /usr/lib/? |
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| 11:36.39 | kzar | juanosorio9402: Well I'm not 100% sure (I wondered the same) but I know that if your user doesn't have write access to where you put Firefox it can't update itself. So I went from putting it in /opt to my home directory |
| 11:37.07 | juanosorio9402 | that kind of happened to me with android studio |
| 11:37.32 | juanosorio9402 | it always needs root rights to update |
| 11:38.05 | juanosorio9402 | or else somehow everything I open is always in read mode (because I probably modified them with root) |
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| 11:46.43 | kzar | juanosorio9402: IMO put Android Studio and Firefox dev in your home folder, run as your user not root and then you won't have trouble like that. But don't ask me if that's the official best practice |
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| 11:52.56 | Ede|Popede | juanosorio9402: this sound like you'd also run it as root |
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| 12:00.01 | juanosorio9402 | yeah I have to run android studio always as root |
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| 12:00.34 | juanosorio9402 | I dont want to pollute my home dir, I just want somewhere to put them and make them globally available in my terminal sessions :L |
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| 12:05.38 | zatumil | FHS: "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages." |
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| 12:16.31 | wrksx | Yeah /opt is the way to go |
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| 12:20.39 | z3bra | Hi there! I'm having trouble on my buster install: The layout specified in /etc/default/keyboard is not applied to my X session. I use xdm(1) to start my session, and have very few commands in my ~/.xsession. At the XDM prompt, the keyboard layout and variant are correctly set however. Same for the TTY. How would I go about troubleshooting this ? I found nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors. |
| 12:20.45 | z3bra | Thanks for your help and time :) |
| 12:20.54 | ndayalan | I am trying to install debian 10. Presently I am using Ubuntu 16.04. I made a bootable usb using the command 'sudo dd bs=4M if=/pathtoisofile of=/dev/sdb1 status=progress oflag=sync' but when I try to boot from usb the following is displayed 'isolinux.bin missing or corrupt No bootable device --insert boot disk and press any key' I request the help to rectify it. |
| 12:21.36 | joepublic | sdb, not sdb1, would be my guess ndayalan |
| 12:21.42 | diogenes_ | ndayalan, if=/pathtoisofile of=/dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:21.48 | dvs | ndayalan, yeah, sdb not sdb1 |
| 12:22.19 | diogenes_ | ndayalan, but the recommended way is: sudo cp /pathtoisofile /dev/sdb |
| 12:22.31 | dvs | diogenes_, don't forget the sync! |
| 12:23.08 | diogenes_ | dvs, right you are! sudo cp /pathtoisofile /dev/sdb && sync |
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| 12:23.44 | ndayalan | diogenes_: Thanks a lot, let me try. |
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| 12:30.09 | debbers | Hello, I spoke to a few nice people in here yesterday and have come back to chat a little more :) |
| 12:30.29 | debbers | Just wondering if there is anyone here that runs EmulationStation on their Debian machine? |
| 12:30.48 | debbers | ratrace I think I spoke to you yesterday ..... ? |
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| 12:35.47 | debbers | I have to go, I'll try to call back later. Thank you :) |
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| 12:41.22 | jm_ | z3bra: I think that stuff simply does not work with such setups - does not work here with lightdm either |
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| 13:07.01 | atif69 | hi |
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| 13:07.23 | atif69 | any human ? |
| 13:07.52 | Haohmaru | nah, only alienz |
| 13:08.00 | Haohmaru | and some cow |
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| 13:09.15 | atif69 | i am on kali linux and apt update is not working |
| 13:09.20 | Haohmaru | !kali |
| 13:09.20 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 13:10.18 | atif69 | when i try to do it it says sourse.list file is modified too many times |
| 13:10.22 | atif69 | help |
| 13:10.57 | Haohmaru | see above ^ |
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| 13:53.16 | CQ | hello, is there an easy way to clone just the hard disk structure and UUID, without cloning the data? Both drives are identical. |
| 13:53.27 | CQ | Is just DD cloning the MBR enough? |
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| 13:54.22 | bryanpedini | Hello everyone, |
| 13:54.22 | bryanpedini | does somebody know why I always have this bug: the audio keeps switching to the integrated source device, I've read it's a common problem with front panel audio detection or something along those lines..? (https://i.postimg.cc/d30sJfpj/Screenshot-20200403-155119.png) |
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| 14:09.19 | mason | So, yum and dnf will prompt me to add a key for a repository if I don't have one, but I'm seeing no such standard naming/location/use of GPG keys in apt repositories. Everything suggests manually adding them. Is there a concept of a standard location of a key for an apt repo? |
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| 14:09.57 | mason | Or if it's not defined, is there a common naming scheme/location for collecting a key in practise? |
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| 14:17.01 | lwp | mason, I'm no expert, but some pointers here: |
| 14:17.05 | lwp | !secure apt |
| 14:17.05 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat |
| 14:17.43 | mason | lwp: Ah, thank you. Reading now. |
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| 14:20.37 | mason | lwp: Hrm, all of this seems to support the notion that one either gets keys as a package during install or using the traditional GPG/PGP retrieval mechanisms. |
| 14:21.07 | mason | Unfortunate. (And in particular, it's directly noted here: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Setting_up_a_secure_apt_repository ) |
| 14:21.19 | mason | Thank you for the links. Seems authoritative. :) |
| 14:22.00 | mason | Maybe I'll look at whether or not apt-add-repository does it differently. |
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| 14:22.43 | mason | Yeesh, or not, given the raft of dependencies that come with it. |
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| 14:36.06 | faLUCE | hello. In debian based distros, if I put a script in /usr/local/bin does it need to be marked as executable, or does it become executable automatically ? |
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| 14:38.50 | polyphem | faLUCE: YOU have to make it executable ... no magic =) |
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| 14:39.11 | faLUCE | polyphem: thanks |
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| 15:10.38 | uniqdom | Hello, I'm using cinnamon, I would like to create a launcher that runs a program with a different locale. I'm trying with a command like this, "LANG=es_CR.utf8 firejail thunderbird", but the launcher doesn't accept it. It says "The executable is not valid. It cannot be empty and spaces in the path must be escaped with backslash (\)." |
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| 15:12.54 | uniqdom | If I remove "LANG=es_CR.utf8 " it works. So, seems like I can't set a different locale. Is there any workaround that doesn't involve creating a script to launch "LANG=es_CR.utf8 firejail thunderbird"?? |
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| 15:26.26 | f-a | I am setting up a qemu debian system. Are there ready-made images I can download of stable? |
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| 15:27.05 | jelly | uniqdom, maybe try giving firejail the absolute path to thunderbird binary. |
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| 15:31.57 | uniqdom | jelly, the problem persist. |
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| 15:32.56 | uniqdom | it's not a message from firejail, is a red icon show in the textbox where you should put the command to be run by the launcher. |
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| 15:33.22 | uniqdom | by hovering that icon with the mouse, that message is shown. |
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| 15:45.34 | uniqdom | Here is what I'm seeing in the launcher: https://imgur.com/a/3AErV1b |
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| 15:53.06 | ws2k3 | how can i delete all files with extension .zip in all subdirectories. of my current folder older then 2019/1/1 |
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| 15:56.27 | jolt | ws2k3: You should look into using the "find" command. |
| 15:56.50 | technobi | ws2k3: find . -name "*.zip" |
| 15:57.03 | jolt | He also needs to add a time constraint. |
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| 15:58.58 | alencc1986 | ws2k3: as mentioned by technobi and jolt, read 'man find' and use it with a time parameter. |
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| 16:00.45 | JesusIsJehovah | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.57 | JesusIsJehovah | control K |
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| 16:02.18 | zay | Hey men! |
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| 16:02.54 | zay | What's up? |
| 16:03.19 | zay | Ok!! I leave. |
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| 16:03.29 | eindoofus | hi, does anyone happen to know how to get rid of this?: |
| 16:03.33 | eindoofus | bash: /usr/bin/rbenv: No such file or directory |
| 16:03.52 | zay | no, i know. |
| 16:03.54 | Ede|Popede | ,file bin/rbenv |
| 16:03.59 | judd | Search for bin/rbenv in buster/amd64: rbenv: usr/bin/rbenv |
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| 16:04.13 | Ede|Popede | eindoofus: change the script or install the package |
| 16:04.27 | eindoofus | i want it to quit looking over there and use what's in .bashrc |
| 16:04.36 | eindoofus | i already did a "sudo apt remove rbenv" |
| 16:05.05 | Ede|Popede | yea. you removed it and something is calling it. so the other option, remove the call. |
| 16:05.17 | eindoofus | how do i find the call? |
| 16:05.31 | Ede|Popede | what do you do when it happens? |
| 16:06.05 | eindoofus | .bashrc is telling it to look at "~/.rbenv/bin/rbenv", which it ignores and looks at /usr/bin/rbenv |
| 16:06.35 | eindoofus | Ede|Popede, i just type "rbenv" |
| 16:06.54 | eindoofus | typed* |
| 16:07.01 | Ede|Popede | is ~/.rbenv/bin in your $PATH? |
| 16:07.33 | eindoofus | echo $PATH shows "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin" |
| 16:07.58 | Ede|Popede | so no. so it can't find the one in your $HOME. but it still looks for the other one |
| 16:08.09 | Ede|Popede | $ type rbenv |
| 16:08.22 | Ede|Popede | this --^ should may you that it's cached |
| 16:08.28 | eindoofus | "rbenv is hashed (/usr/bin/rbenv)" |
| 16:08.42 | Ede|Popede | $ hash -d rbenv |
| 16:08.58 | Ede|Popede | then you should get the equivalent of a 404 when you call it next time |
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| 16:09.35 | eindoofus | awesome. that worked. thanks |
| 16:10.14 | Ede|Popede | eindoofus: fine. and for the other one: you may add the directory to your $PATH or create a symlink in ~/bin or a wrapper script |
| 16:10.41 | Ede|Popede | it MAY have to run with ~/.rbenv/bin as cwd, no idea |
| 16:12.15 | eindoofus | odd. now i'm running into this when i open a new terminal window: "Command 'rbenv' not found, but can be installed with:"; "sudo apt install rbenv" |
| 16:13.55 | Ede|Popede | eindoofus: what kind of terminal? ruby based? |
| 16:14.17 | eindoofus | my mistake, think it's because i had deleted "~/.rbenv/bin/rbenv" while trying to fix this |
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| 16:14.46 | Ede|Popede | maybe it uses the complete path instead of relying on $PATH |
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| 16:22.42 | jelly | eindoofus, which debian release is this? |
| 16:22.57 | jelly | it is somewhat unusual to have file-not-found installed on Debian |
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| 16:23.29 | jelly | and that's what providing the "not found, but can be installed..." line |
| 16:24.19 | jelly | (on the other hand, it's installed by default in a certain derivative starting with U) |
| 16:24.40 | jelly | (which makes me fufpifiouf) |
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| 16:25.09 | Ede|Popede | ,v file-not-found |
| 16:25.11 | judd | No package named 'file-not-found' was found in amd64. |
| 16:25.30 | Ede|Popede | hm... googling for a container thingy |
| 16:25.31 | jelly | maybe it's command-not-found |
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| 16:25.58 | jelly | ,i command-not-found |
| 16:25.59 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k |
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| 16:26.18 | Ede|Popede | oops |
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| 16:26.29 | jelly | my bad |
| 16:26.50 | annadane | !pal jelly |
| 16:26.51 | dpkg | points at jelly and laughs uproariously |
| 16:26.53 | Ede|Popede | # apt-cachs show command-not-found |
| 16:26.53 | Ede|Popede | bash: apt-cachs: command not found |
| 16:26.56 | Ede|Popede | double down |
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| 16:27.05 | annadane | !pal Ede|Popede |
| 16:27.05 | dpkg | points at Ede|Popede and laughs |
| 16:27.14 | Ede|Popede | bows thankfully |
| 16:27.43 | Akuw | i have a windows virtual machine connectiong to a VPN, so i want to connect to that virtaul machine from linux host and reach vpn |
| 16:28.24 | jolt | Akuw: setup some port forwarding software on your wintendo, or a proxy of some kind? |
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| 16:55.36 | jvwjgames | How do I change the text of the Debian installer? |
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| 17:16.01 | lecethimon | I feel like my colors are washed and the rgb range is not set properly. Anyway I can check or change this? Having a hard time finding anything online. I'm on v 10.3 |
| 17:19.54 | jelly | does sshfs have a config file where one can put options to be applied every time? |
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| 17:24.38 | trek00 | lecethimon: you can check if gamma is set to 1.0 for RGB: xrandr --verbose | grep Gamma |
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| 17:34.52 | dacencora | hey guys |
| 17:35.39 | isnice | jelly: IIRC all the sshfs options are passed on the command line. back in my sysadmin days I just had a few shell scripts with all the options that I could invoke manually or run at boot |
| 17:36.11 | dacencora | I just installed Debian bullseye on a 2014 MacBook Pro with AMD graphics and the weirdest thing happens when I'm in X. A good 60% of the screen has a white square. I can see desktop icons over the white square, but when I'm in firefox for example, I can't see anything becasue the white square blocks it out |
| 17:36.19 | dacencora | Some kind of weird graphical glitch |
| 17:36.40 | dvs | !debian-next |
| 17:36.40 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:36.46 | dacencora | I'm thinking of booting a usb stick with debian buster, but I wanted to see if there was any obvious reason for this |
| 17:36.57 | dacencora | Oh ok. I think I'll just install stable |
| 17:37.56 | trek00 | dacencora: i guess you installed firmware-amd-graphics |
| 17:38.06 | annadane | stable is good |
| 17:38.14 | annadane | stable is underrated |
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| 17:38.31 | trek00 | stable is what debian is for :) |
| 17:38.31 | dvs | stable is no fun |
| 17:38.33 | annadane | for everything else there's backports + self compile |
| 17:38.47 | annadane | and flatpaks i guess |
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| 17:40.59 | diogenes_ | prefers appimages |
| 17:41.23 | isnice | I like stable + backport latest kernel. It's like a mullet, business up front, party in the back |
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| 17:47.19 | dacencora | stable is pretty cool |
| 17:47.29 | dacencora | My usb stick just already had testing on it |
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| 17:50.51 | annadane | not that people should be advised to not use testing/sid if they understand the risks; more bug reports are always good |
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| 17:52.02 | sponix2ipfw | ,v obs-studio |
| 17:52.03 | judd | Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 25.0.3+dfsg1-2; sid: 25.0.3+dfsg1-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:25.0.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:25.0.3-dmo1 |
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| 18:23.42 | ws2k3 | i wanne recursively delete all files with extension .zip older then 2019-01-01. would this command do the job? find . ! -newermt 2019-01-01-name "*.zip" -type f -delete |
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| 18:25.37 | technobi | deletes tgz older than 7 days: find ./folder -type f -mtime +7 -name '*.tgz' -execdir rm -- '{}' \; |
| 18:26.02 | technobi | You can update that to given time |
| 18:26.04 | sney | with anything like this, test it with an echo instead of a delete and see if it lists the right files |
| 18:26.28 | ws2k3 | sney thx for the good advice that is usefull |
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| 18:27.05 | ws2k3 | sney like this? find . ! -newermt 2019-01-01 -name "*.zip" -type f -echo |
| 18:27.34 | greycat | -print |
| 18:29.01 | jelly | ws2k3, that seems fine, but replace -delete with -ls or -print to make sure you got the right files before doing the real, destructive command |
| 18:29.44 | jelly | -ls is possibly nicer than -print as it shows some timestamps |
| 18:30.05 | ws2k3 | greycat jelly thx alot! |
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| 19:06.21 | arielfe | hey - im new to linux and having problems with my soundcan anyone help? |
| 19:07.02 | jelly | soundcan? |
| 19:07.09 | arielfe | with my sound lol |
| 19:07.53 | jelly | we car try to help provided you're running Debian (and not a derivative) |
| 19:07.55 | greycat | there's a space-eating virus. it also affected that guy who was using find. |
| 19:08.25 | jelly | it ate half of my "n" character, too |
| 19:08.31 | diogenes_ | arielfe, we can't hear you. |
| 19:08.50 | arielfe | thanks jelly - how do i check what i am running? |
| 19:08.56 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 19:08.56 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 19:09.07 | jelly | surely you know what you've installed? |
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| 19:10.37 | arielfe | lhttps://pastebin.com/KmQAMbx5 - i pasted there the output of cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} |
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| 19:11.30 | jelly | that looks like debian 10 alright |
| 19:11.47 | jelly | what issues do you have with sound? |
| 19:11.49 | jelly | !ask |
| 19:11.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:11.56 | jelly | !alsa checklist |
| 19:11.56 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 19:12.17 | jelly | hm, that may be outdated |
| 19:12.34 | arielfe | i think i tried most of it in the last couple of days |
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| 19:12.52 | arielfe | i had sound - and a few days ago it stopped |
| 19:13.19 | arielfe | to make things worst - i tried installing nvidia drivers for my gtx1060 and then uninstalled them... |
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| 19:13.45 | jelly | well then go thru all the steps for confirmation; nvidia driver issues in THEORY should not affect sound a lot |
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| 19:14.07 | arielfe | ok will do |
| 19:14.45 | jelly | they might or might not add a new HDMI audio output device or take one away. What is your audio output? Built in speakers? Speakers connected to analog line out? HDMI TV or monitor? |
| 19:14.52 | jelly | Headphones? something else? |
| 19:15.47 | arielfe | I have Speakers connected to analog line out |
| 19:16.54 | jelly | as normal user, run "alsamixer", press F6, pastebin or upload the screenshot someplace and show the URL |
| 19:17.00 | arielfe | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does n0t work for root |
| 19:17.54 | arielfe | https://pasteboard.co/J28BTgw.png |
| 19:18.16 | jhutchins | arielfe: Do you know the speakers are working? Try plugging them into a phone? |
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| 19:18.39 | no_gravity | Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut to "scroll down a bit"? |
| 19:18.47 | jelly | okay, so most things look unmuted and maxed |
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| 19:19.10 | arielfe | hmm - i dont think i have the right cable to connect them to my phone |
| 19:19.58 | jelly | arielfe, does "ps -fe | grep pulseaudio" show any processes (apart from grep itself)? |
| 19:20.39 | arielfe | no but i think thats because i killed it just a few minutes ago |
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| 19:21.20 | no_gravity | Maybe I could map arrow-down to some other key? |
| 19:21.39 | greycat | if pulseaudio is installed, check whether timidity is using it up |
| 19:21.43 | jelly | arielfe, okay. While pulseaudio is still down, remove its config: rm -r ~/.pulse ~/.config/pulse |
| 19:22.13 | jelly | arielfe, then log off, log back on, verify pulseaudio started again, and see if there's any change |
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| 19:22.51 | jelly | the default output might have automagically changed to nvidia hdmi output for some reason |
| 19:23.11 | jelly | and by "default output" I mean pulseaudio's config |
| 19:23.12 | arielfe | dont think i have timidity on my system - i think i checked it already |
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| 19:23.43 | jelly | it is, however, weird that running a simple aplay as root while PA is dead did not work. |
| 19:23.52 | jelly | that should have worked |
| 19:24.12 | arielfe | jelly - that is what i am thinking |
| 19:24.21 | arielfe | minute ill log out and back |
| 19:25.19 | arielfe | pulseaudio didnt start |
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| 19:27.38 | trek00 | arielfe: may be /etc/asound.conf contains some pulseaudio redirect? |
| 19:28.10 | arielfe | trek00: i dont have that file |
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| 19:28.26 | trek00 | good |
| 19:28.56 | arielfe | also trying to run aplay as root displays this: https://pastebin.com/pqAZy43n |
| 19:29.30 | trek00 | arielfe: yeah with pulseaudio you can play only from your user |
| 19:29.38 | arielfe | thats what i thought |
| 19:29.52 | trek00 | arielfe: try to run aplay as user |
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| 19:30.42 | arielfe | hmm now when i run "ps -fe | grep pulseaudio" i get this: https://pastebin.com/4GuRr0SD |
| 19:31.13 | arielfe | trek00: tried - no sound |
| 19:32.10 | trek00 | arielfe: may be you need to unmute some pulseaudio channel? (sorry i don't use pulseaudio) |
| 19:32.23 | arielfe | tried that - nothing seems muted |
| 19:33.24 | jelly | arielfe, okay, now that PA is sadly running again, can you start "pavucontrol", switch to output devices, and see which device is select as default? |
| 19:33.52 | p4r4n0id | beep |
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| 19:34.07 | arielfe | thats weird |
| 19:34.33 | arielfe | it wasnt there the last 20 times i checked pavucontrol - now i have dummy output |
| 19:34.43 | arielfe | i read about it a bit but have no idea what it means |
| 19:34.44 | jelly | if there's too much stuff, Show: only hardware devices |
| 19:34.48 | trek00 | pulseaudio is full of issues :) |
| 19:34.49 | greycat | is it because of timidity again? |
| 19:36.59 | arielfe | no i dont think so - dont have timidity |
| 19:37.09 | arielfe | trek00: so i read :) |
| 19:37.38 | arielfe | jelly: actually there is only the dummy output now |
| 19:37.54 | greycat | Have you verified the hardware is working? Speakers have power, and aren't turned down to 0 volume? |
| 19:38.46 | arielfe | greycat: how can i verify the hardware is working? it did for the past year until a couple of days ago. speakers have power (they have lights coming out of them) - volume is pretty high |
| 19:39.07 | greycat | what changed a couple of days ago? |
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| 19:39.50 | jelly | arielfe, that is unusual. Is there "built-in audio" on the Configuration tab? |
| 19:40.09 | jelly | PA ought to pick up all the ALSA devices automatically. |
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| 19:40.36 | arielfe | its a bit hard to remember because work has been so hectic last week... i think i didnt like xfce - and tried to install more desktop environments |
| 19:40.48 | jelly | if it does not, there's some leftover config, and if it's not in per-user settings it's probably global |
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| 19:42.11 | sparky4 | i cant upgrade to debian 10 because my graphics driver is not in the repository |
| 19:42.41 | arielfe | jelly: No cards available for configuration |
| 19:42.42 | dvs | sparky4, what is your graphics card? |
| 19:42.49 | jelly | arielfe, huh. |
| 19:42.55 | sparky4 | nVidia Geforce 6200 PCI |
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| 19:43.05 | arielfe | thats weird - wasnt like that before |
| 19:43.29 | jelly | sparky4, ouch, that's very, very old. Well then, do not upgrade. Debian 9 will be with us for a while. |
| 19:43.37 | sparky4 | ok good |
| 19:44.11 | jelly | perhaps you'll get access to newer hardware in the next 3 years or so |
| 19:44.12 | sparky4 | i hate this :/ |
| 19:44.20 | sparky4 | nah |
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| 19:44.39 | sparky4 | this pc is stuck on that GFX card because of windows Me backwards compatibility |
| 19:44.46 | joepublic | perhaps your old card with have the courtesy and decency to die |
| 19:45.09 | jelly | might be better to run Me in a VM once you get newer hardware |
| 19:45.19 | sparky4 | it's not the same in VM |
| 19:45.27 | jelly | assuming you need Win ME for a reason. |
| 19:45.31 | sparky4 | yeah |
| 19:45.37 | sparky4 | dogmatic reasons |
| 19:46.02 | sparky4 | to upgrade i need entire new computer and i will STILL use this one for file backup of my other pcs |
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| 19:46.44 | arielfe | ill try to reboot and see if that changes anything |
| 19:46.46 | jelly | companies are junking workstatiions dated 2012-2013 these days. |
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| 19:47.02 | sparky4 | my 486 runs debian etch |
| 19:47.08 | sparky4 | it BARELY runs it |
| 19:47.11 | dvs | O_OO |
| 19:47.23 | jelly | 2013 means intel ivy bridge or haswell, that can easily run debian 10 |
| 19:47.28 | sparky4 | it has usb! 8) |
| 19:47.47 | dvs | VL local bus? |
| 19:47.54 | sparky4 | PCI |
| 19:48.02 | dvs | phew |
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| 19:48.44 | sparky4 | VL is sexy |
| 19:48.48 | sparky4 | i wish it won |
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| 19:49.02 | trek00 | sparky4: do you really have a fully functional 486? |
| 19:49.10 | sparky4 | ok wait |
| 19:49.11 | jelly | arielfe, dunno. I might have more ideas in an hour or so. If I don't fall asleep. |
| 19:49.29 | arielfe | jelly: thanks a lot for trying to help! |
| 19:49.36 | jelly | arielfe, it is however weird that alsa can see playback devices, but PA does not |
| 19:49.57 | sparky4 | lazer eyes |
| 19:50.00 | trek00 | arielfe: you may try to uninstall pulseaudio and see if audio comes back |
| 19:50.11 | arielfe | trek00: will do |
| 19:50.16 | sparky4 | [sparky4@compy4]$ ssh -X tetra4 |
| 19:50.18 | sparky4 | is taking a while |
| 19:50.33 | sparky4 | Linux tetra4 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Fri Feb 19 23:22:25 UTC 2010 i486 |
| 19:51.23 | trek00 | sparky4: i like that! |
| 19:51.30 | sparky4 | nuts |
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| 19:52.08 | sparky4 | https://paste.debian.net/1138301/ |
| 19:52.10 | sparky4 | look |
| 19:52.18 | arielfe | !alsa |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:52.45 | arielfe | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:52.45 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 19:52.56 | sparky4 | what do you guys think? |
| 19:53.38 | arielfe | now when i try aplay i get this: https://pastebin.com/Rq8zpjkx |
| 19:53.53 | sparky4 | https://paste.debian.net/1138302/ |
| 19:53.56 | sparky4 | the memory |
| 19:54.00 | sparky4 | 2 MB free |
| 19:54.01 | trek00 | sparky4: a k5! |
| 19:54.03 | sparky4 | holy fuck |
| 19:54.06 | sparky4 | YES |
| 19:54.09 | arielfe | if i uninstall and reinstall alsa - will it bring back the default config? |
| 19:54.10 | gkwhc | hi all, im trying to boot my debian drive from another laptop. it boots to runlevel 1 but has trouble going into 3. how can this issue be diagnosed? |
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| 19:54.25 | sparky4 | AM5X86@133mHz |
| 19:54.32 | trek00 | arielfe: you need to remove with --purge to remove also configuration files |
| 19:55.08 | greycat | purging alsa utilities wouldn't remove config files that you created in ~ or /etc/ |
| 19:55.23 | greycat | there *isn't* any alsa utils config file by default |
| 19:55.29 | arielfe | i see - thanks |
| 19:56.30 | trek00 | arielfe: aplay -l should list available devices |
| 19:56.36 | sparky4 | is there anyway for me to upgrade? |
| 19:56.42 | sparky4 | the compy4 |
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| 19:56.47 | sparky4 | not my 486 |
| 19:57.50 | trek00 | sparky4: may be the newer debian you can install is stretch that have nvidia-legacy-304xx |
| 19:58.20 | sparky4 | OS: Debian 9.11 stretch |
| 19:58.35 | sparky4 | i mean upgrade to buster |
| 19:58.44 | sparky4 | is it possible? |
| 19:59.09 | trek00 | sparky4: if it have nVidia Geforce 6200 PCI not |
| 19:59.15 | sparky4 | damn it |
| 19:59.29 | greycat | well, you could upgrade and then not use X |
| 19:59.30 | sparky4 | oh well when it stops being supported i will find another distro |
| 19:59.45 | trek00 | sparky4: as far I understand, you need nvidia-legacy-304xx drivers, but buster does not have them |
| 19:59.47 | sparky4 | i need X for GAMES |
| 19:59.49 | jelly | sparky4, or something like netbsd |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | or put a second video card in it, or buy a newer computer |
| 20:00.29 | sparky4 | i need a huge HDD to change oses |
| 20:00.45 | jelly | sparky4, what kind of GAMES run only on linux on a 5x86? |
| 20:00.53 | sparky4 | not on the 486 XD |
| 20:01.01 | dvs | pong |
| 20:01.04 | sparky4 | nah |
| 20:01.07 | sparky4 | it can run quake |
| 20:01.11 | sparky4 | i think |
| 20:01.24 | jelly | a newer machine can run quake as well. |
| 20:01.39 | openbsdtai123 | what is a 5x86, meaning of 5? |
| 20:02.15 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: it was a marketing move |
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| 20:02.19 | jelly | ,v quake |
| 20:02.20 | judd | Package: quake on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 8; stretch/contrib: 49.1; buster/contrib: 63; bullseye/contrib: 64; sid/contrib: 64 |
| 20:02.36 | openbsdtai123 | ah,, you mean a 586 after the 486 dx? |
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| 20:03.29 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: at that time, intel sell pentium (586) and amd sell overclocked 486 (called 5x86) |
| 20:03.36 | jelly | openbsdtai123, a non-intel, but compatible chip, Via or AMD had stuff marketed as 5x86 or 6x86 |
| 20:03.57 | jelly | intel never had their own 5x86 |
| 20:04.20 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.30 | jelly | right |
| 20:04.39 | jelly | netbsd supports lots of old hw |
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| 20:05.14 | sparky4 | hmmm |
| 20:05.25 | sparky4 | i need to find a debian derived distro that supports my card |
| 20:05.29 | kristijonas | hello, i want to have a fresh install on my laptop, but I only have access to wifi, unfortunately, my wifi card needs non-free drivers |
| 20:05.50 | jelly | sparky4, forget about it on linux, you'll run old versions forever |
| 20:05.57 | trek00 | sparky4: stretch will be supported until 2022 via LTS support |
| 20:06.06 | jelly | that's it, old hw gets to live with old sw |
| 20:06.07 | sney | !firmware image |
| 20:06.08 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:06.11 | dvs | kristijonas, which Wifi? |
| 20:06.11 | sney | kristijonas: ^ |
| 20:06.15 | kristijonas | iwlwifi |
| 20:06.19 | openbsdtai123 | netbsd has the best hardware support ever... you will run whatever with netbsd. |
| 20:06.21 | dvs | then ^ |
| 20:06.23 | sparky4 | damn this is brutal |
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| 20:08.29 | sparky4 | hmmmm |
| 20:08.35 | sparky4 | tick tock |
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| 20:08.38 | sparky4 | what if |
| 20:08.44 | sparky4 | DUAL GRAPHICS CARDS |
| 20:08.51 | sparky4 | with a switch bock hmmm |
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| 20:09.35 | kristijonas | sney, thank you, i will give it a try. |
| 20:09.50 | sney | sparky4: strip the oldstable install down to nothing and run whatever newer thing you want inside kvm? heh |
| 20:10.01 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: do you know if netbsd has DRM support for amd gpus? |
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| 20:10.46 | sparky4 | i think bsd has less software support |
| 20:10.52 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:13.22 | sparky4 | cries |
| 20:14.25 | trek00 | sparky4: do you need to update for something specific? |
| 20:14.37 | sparky4 | not now |
| 20:14.44 | sparky4 | but if school requires it.... |
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| 20:16.47 | arielfe | solved! sound is back :) |
| 20:16.56 | sparky4 | <# |
| 20:16.57 | trek00 | arielfe: what it was? |
| 20:17.00 | sparky4 | <3 |
| 20:17.02 | arielfe | thanks to everyone that helped :)) <3 |
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| 20:17.42 | arielfe | well - im not sure - but i removed alsa and deleted all config files i could think of - then reinstalled alsa-utils - ran alsactl init as root and it started working |
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| 20:18.15 | sparky4 | is there a distro with specifically new softwre on older kernals debian based? |
| 20:18.23 | sparky4 | i dont know how to find one like that |
| 20:18.29 | arielfe | thanks a lot trek00 greycat and jelly |
| 20:18.53 | trek00 | arielfe: good :) |
| 20:19.00 | arielfe | :) |
| 20:19.03 | greycat | sparky4: I seriously doubt it. |
| 20:19.28 | sparky4 | ohh.... |
| 20:19.34 | trek00 | sparky4: may be you can try to update all debian but not the kernel, but it is not guaranteed at all it will run fine |
| 20:19.37 | sney | sparky4: that's a pretty unusual use case, anyway you'll run into compatibility problems with that video driver and newer Xorg and/or libc6 even if you manage to stay with an older kernel |
| 20:19.59 | sney | I guess nouveau is a non-starter? |
| 20:20.15 | sparky4 | i dont know how to switch back |
| 20:20.35 | trek00 | switch back to? |
| 20:20.46 | sparky4 | nouevou drivers |
| 20:20.48 | sney | oh just delete the xorg.conf.d snippet and the blacklist from modprobe.d and reboot |
| 20:21.18 | sparky4 | i did stuff to lock it out lock it out ... |
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| 20:21.52 | sney | look in /etc/modprobe.d, you will see your nvidia overrides there |
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| 20:22.06 | sney | linux wants to load nouveau automatically, all you have to do is let it |
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| 20:27.12 | blater | hi |
| 20:27.41 | trek00 | hello |
| 20:27.45 | dvs | oi |
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| 20:28.40 | blater | i can on startup of my system debian start telegram application installed in /usr/local/bin/telegram ? |
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| 20:29.13 | trek00 | blater: which desktop do you use? |
| 20:29.16 | dvs | blater, I would say rc.local but that's no longer in vogue |
| 20:29.22 | blater | gnome |
| 20:29.59 | trek00 | blater: there is a configuration panel for the autostart of applications |
| 20:30.12 | thejonny | start of the system or better at login? |
| 20:30.48 | trek00 | thejonny: i think telegram is a gui application |
| 20:31.00 | blater | yes telegram gui application |
| 20:31.33 | blater | exist telegram whitout gui ? |
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| 20:31.44 | sney | they just don't know what it is |
| 20:32.02 | blater | a ok |
| 20:32.07 | blater | is a gui application |
| 20:32.07 | sney | gnome has an autostart function, point that at the telegram.desktop file that was added when you installed telegram |
| 20:32.44 | blater | i can set this setting by shell ? |
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| 20:32.50 | bencc1 | does fonts-noto also install fonts-noto-color-emoji? |
| 20:33.31 | trek00 | blater: may be you can configure it with gnome-tweaks |
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| 20:33.49 | thejonny | blater: the autostart applications are .desktop-files in .config/autostart |
| 20:34.34 | trek00 | bencc1: yes, with default configuration that install recommended pacakges |
| 20:34.51 | blater | in the gnome-tweaks not present telegram in a list of program |
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| 20:35.44 | trek00 | blater: i don't use gnome, but it should let you to add a new application |
| 20:35.46 | blater | telegram is installed in /usr/local/bin/telegram |
| 20:37.06 | thejonny | the panel, desktop, or menu editor should be a "create launcher" entry |
| 20:37.30 | bencc1 | trek00: thanks |
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| 20:37.57 | thejonny | or look into some .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications and edit it to your needs |
| 20:38.04 | blater | thejonny, .config/autostart is empty |
| 20:38.50 | thejonny | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8247706/start-script-when-gnome-starts-up |
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| 20:40.41 | thejonny | in the telegram settings, you can configure it to start on login, btw |
| 20:40.55 | thejonny | in settings->advanced->system integration |
| 20:41.47 | blater | I would prefer to learn how to set any software besides the telegram: D |
| 20:41.50 | thejonny | ~/.config/autostart/telegramdesktop.desktopif you select this, it creates |
| 20:42.20 | thejonny | * if you select this, it creates ~/.config/autostart/telegramdesktop.desktop |
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| 20:42.24 | blater | thejonny, it is already present |
| 20:43.16 | thejonny | hmm, you said .config/autostart is empty |
| 20:43.22 | blater | what is the difference between /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications |
| 20:43.58 | blater | in the is presente telegramdesktop.desktop |
| 20:44.24 | blater | in the ~/.local/share/applications is present telegramdesktop.desktop |
| 20:44.28 | blater | :D |
| 20:44.35 | thejonny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.57 | thejonny | ah, you can copy it to ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:45.08 | blater | i try |
| 20:45.09 | blater | :D |
| 20:46.50 | thejonny | and look into the file, .desktop entries are simple ini files |
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| 20:51.07 | blater | thejonny, i copy telegramdesktop.desktop in /usr/share/applications and now i see telgram in the menù of gnome |
| 20:51.17 | blater | :) |
| 20:51.49 | thejonny | hmm, you should have seen it before... |
| 20:51.56 | trek00 | blater: now try to logout an login again and see if telegram starts |
| 20:52.05 | thejonny | i don't know gnome very good anymore |
| 20:52.50 | blater | now i copy telegram.desktop in ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:52.54 | blater | for startup |
| 20:52.57 | blater | correct ? |
| 20:53.00 | trek00 | yes |
| 20:53.02 | blater | :D |
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| 20:54.14 | blater | the file is root:root in ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:54.18 | blater | mmm |
| 20:54.23 | blater | i change owner ? |
| 20:55.00 | trek00 | blater: you should not use root for those things, but yes you should chown that file to your user |
| 20:55.10 | thejonny | you dont have to, but i would do it |
| 20:55.29 | blater | ok |
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| 20:55.45 | usney | Hi guys! |
| 20:55.58 | usney | Does lxde come with a lot of software? |
| 20:56.08 | sney | lxde is just a desktop environment |
| 20:56.11 | usney | I already have gnome 3 |
| 20:56.17 | blater | ok, now i go logout and login |
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| 20:56.22 | thejonny | hmm if you hardlink it from /usr/share/applications it would be root:root, too :) |
| 20:56.35 | usney | I mean this metapackage for that includes lxde sney |
| 20:56.41 | usney | let me get the package name |
| 20:56.51 | blater | thejonny, not hardlink is a simple copy |
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| 20:57.20 | usney | well I can just apt update; apt install packagename and see if it installs too much. |
| 20:57.29 | blater | mmm, the correct is hardlink |
| 20:57.36 | usney | then press n enter if it is |
| 20:57.41 | sney | usney: you can 'apt show packagename' and look at the Depends and Recommends fields to see what else it will install |
| 20:57.50 | blater | i try to logout and login |
| 20:57.57 | usney | okay cool sney |
| 20:58.07 | thejonny | yes, but as trek00 said, for copying into your home, your should not be root |
| 20:58.25 | blater | seee you in 5 seconds |
| 20:59.44 | usney | They will not stop gtk version of lxde right? |
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| 20:59.52 | blater | not work |
| 21:00.02 | usney | lxqt is just for people who want qt instead of gtk? |
| 21:00.59 | sney | as far as I know, lxqt is a fork, not a replacement |
| 21:01.10 | phogg | the original developers switched to Qt. Some people decided to fork it and continue with GTK, so now there are both |
| 21:01.54 | phogg | The main lxde guy wrote a blog post about how qt > gtk and he wasn't looking back. This was a few years ago now. |
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| 21:02.45 | thejonny | blater: is there something about telegram in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 21:05.24 | blater | thejonny, not exist ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:06.01 | thejonny | try journalctl --user | grep -C3 -i telegram |
| 21:06.26 | miskatonic | but qt is much more resource heavy than gtk |
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| 21:07.48 | blater | thejonny, https://i.imgur.com/7gyAENF.png |
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| 21:09.10 | annadane | ooh pretty terminal |
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| 21:10.14 | phogg | miskatonic: not really. It depends mostly on your theme, and then on whether you use KDE framework libraries. Those are pretty heavy. |
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| 21:12.01 | blater | thejonny, it is work now |
| 21:12.07 | thejonny | blater: ok i don't know why you cannot read your users journal, according to the manpage (and on my system) this works |
| 21:12.15 | thejonny | blater: what works? |
| 21:12.24 | blater | telegram on startup |
| 21:12.25 | blater | :D |
| 21:12.33 | blater | i correct the ini file |
| 21:12.47 | thejonny | what did you change? |
| 21:13.01 | blater | the exec |
| 21:13.07 | blater | in desktop file |
| 21:13.09 | blater | :D |
| 21:13.15 | thejonny | wrong path? |
| 21:13.18 | blater | yes |
| 21:13.33 | blater | thanks :D |
| 21:13.36 | jadax | CUPS is such a POS |
| 21:13.45 | jadax | I've been adding a printer for last week |
| 21:13.47 | thejonny | maybe it was from an old telegram installation |
| 21:13.48 | jadax | still not resolved |
| 21:13.59 | jadax | printer is showing up in CUPS (Network printer), but not printing |
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| 21:14.12 | blater | thejonny, yes |
| 21:14.45 | blater | thejonny, now i wont to install gpaste for clipboard history xD |
| 21:15.14 | blater | *want |
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| 21:15.43 | jadax | everytime I send a job to that printer, CUPS claims 'Unable to locate printer' |
| 21:15.52 | jadax | but when I print test page through CUPS interface - it prints just fine |
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| 21:22.48 | annadane | it's not a firmware issue, is it? |
| 21:22.55 | annadane | maybe missing some printer firmware |
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| 21:24.44 | jelly | "it's right there on the desk!!" |
| 21:25.11 | sney | an old workaround for cups is to add a new class, then add the troublesome printer to that class, and point network applications to the class instead of the printer directly |
| 21:25.13 | blater | who help me to install gpaste ? |
| 21:26.24 | miskatonic | what does qt-lxde use, for example, as a terminal emulator? konsole is kde framework dependent |
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| 21:27.24 | sney | miskatonic: looks like it's qterminal |
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| 21:29.27 | miskatonic | sney: ahhh i confused it with qterm, which has nothing at all to do with qt. |
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| 21:33.20 | lskifa | Hello! I created a ext4 on my ssd to install debian along my manjaro, can somebody help me setup the install on it? Im in text install and i dont get it |
| 21:33.35 | annadane | blater, it's in the repository. apt install gpaste |
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| 21:36.03 | blater | annadane, ok installed, now ? |
| 21:36.28 | annadane | now... it's installed? i don't know what your issue was other than "help me install it" |
| 21:36.32 | annadane | what else? |
| 21:36.46 | blater | to use |
| 21:36.48 | blater | xD |
| 21:36.58 | annadane | man gpaste or /usr/share/doc/gpaste |
| 21:37.04 | blater | :D |
| 21:37.09 | annadane | probably the former |
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| 21:39.20 | lupulo | is it possible extract something of a executed program after it has finished? |
| 21:39.31 | lupulo | from the RAM or something? |
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| 21:44.56 | phogg | lupulo: the short answer is yes |
| 21:45.00 | lwp | lskifa, where are you in your text install ? |
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| 21:45.13 | phogg | lupulo: the long answer is "good luck with that" |
| 21:45.37 | lskifa | lwp [!!] Partition disks part |
| 21:46.41 | lwp | lskifa, do you see the partition you made for this install ? |
| 21:46.47 | lskifa | Yep |
| 21:47.18 | lskifa | lwp Yep |
| 21:47.32 | lwp | lskifa, can you ask a more specific question then ? |
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| 21:48.27 | lupulo | phogg, that is the reason of the fake random numbers? |
| 21:48.47 | lskifa | lwp How do i further install from that point? When i choose theres whole lot of settings and idk how to set it up and further how to actually install on it once set up |
| 21:48.57 | phogg | lupulo: I don't know what you're asking |
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| 21:51.32 | lskifa | lwp i chose to is it as ext4 journaling fs intuitively (maybe right?) and to format it again, other than that im unsure how to proceed |
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| 21:51.41 | lwp | lskifa, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual <--- have you look at this install instructions ? |
| 21:51.41 | lskifa | *use |
| 21:51.42 | lupulo | phogg, with what i could do it? |
| 21:52.32 | lskifa | Didnt know there are any, ill look into it and come back if unsure, thanks! |
| 21:53.09 | lwp | lskifa, it gives you choice of languages, and machine architecture |
| 21:53.32 | lskifa | Ye, i arldy chose eng amd64, got it |
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| 21:54.23 | velix | Asterisk package on Buster is coming with an `init.d` file and a `systemd` file. Which one is used? |
| 21:56.00 | lskifa | lwp This isn't helpful, it just kinda describes whats what reaally general, i dont get how i'd go about it from it |
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| 21:56.45 | sney | lskifa: the installer is pretty straightforward usually, just go step by step. if a specific step confuses you then ask |
| 21:57.31 | lskifa | Why cant there just be a *install along* option |
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| 21:57.51 | lskifa | Do i need a mount point? |
| 21:58.00 | lskifa | Should i choose mount options? |
| 21:58.00 | sney | a mount point for what? |
| 21:58.16 | lskifa | I dont know either, i guess for the partition? |
| 21:58.30 | thejonny | for everything except swap, yes |
| 21:58.58 | lskifa | What kind of mount point do i need? |
| 21:59.06 | thejonny | the partition you want to install debian onto, has to be mounted as / |
| 21:59.37 | lskifa | Default mount options? |
| 21:59.50 | sney | yep defaults |
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| 22:00.47 | lskifa | Labels? Reserved blocks 5%? Normal usage? Bootable flag on/off? |
| 22:01.12 | miskatonic | isn't systemd mandatory on buster? |
| 22:01.33 | sney | lskifa: you can leave all of those options alone. all you need is a partition for / and accept all other defaults |
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| 22:01.54 | sney | I see this is on a disk with another distro, if you have a swap partition already they can even use the same one |
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| 22:02.17 | Ede|Popede | though i'd have /home at least on another partition. just for the case of a later (tomorrow or next year) reinstall |
| 22:02.25 | lskifa | Ok, so ill proceed with 5%, standard usage and off flags |
| 22:02.42 | lskifa | I have >4 Gb of RAM, dont need swap |
| 22:02.58 | sney | sounds fine to me |
| 22:03.59 | lskifa | So when i press that im done with the partition setup do i finish partitioning and it will install to it? |
| 22:04.20 | sney | it'll ask you to confirm the disk changes, and then it'll format your / partition and proceed with the install |
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| 22:05.14 | lskifa | Ok, on my way installing the base system |
| 22:05.24 | lskifa | Thanks |
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| 22:06.09 | lskifa | Does debian have some maximalist vibes or why is this not described in the manual if it isnt an option during install |
| 22:06.33 | velix | Anyone witha an idea? Asterisk package on Buster is coming with an `init.d` file and a `systemd` file. Which one is used? |
| 22:06.33 | sney | what does that mean |
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| 22:06.58 | trek00 | velix: if you use systemd, the service file will be used |
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| 22:07.28 | velix | trek00: but the service file seems to have a totally different behaviour. Confusing |
| 22:07.28 | lskifa | Why is installing along other linux neither described in the manual nor an install option |
| 22:08.03 | sney | probably because it's not a usual use case, and if people want to do it anyway, it's not too hard to figure out |
| 22:08.27 | sney | dual booting in general is becoming less common especially with how easy virtualization is now |
| 22:08.27 | trek00 | velix: usually on systemd it will use init.d scripts only if the service file is missing |
| 22:09.27 | velix | trek00: Here, the systemd service has a normal EXEC command. That's why I am confused. |
| 22:09.43 | lskifa | I didnt distrohop much, ubuntu, mint, kde neon, manjaro, debian, but al of them had the install option as standard, just weird |
| 22:09.45 | thejonny | lskifa: if you install debian on another partition, os-prober should find the other linux |
| 22:10.02 | velix | trek00: So it actually executes Asterisk, like init.d would (but with different starting parameters). |
| 22:10.08 | velix | Perhaps I should contact the maintainer? |
| 22:11.32 | sney | there may already be something in the changelog or vcs about that |
| 22:11.36 | drocsid | How do I build gcc from the source package? Is it missing files E.G. no configure ? Where is the script that debian uses to build it? |
| 22:11.38 | lskifa | Alls well that ends well, ill just lean back and watch some casa de papel while plasma is downloading |
| 22:11.43 | drocsid | E.G. https://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc-9 |
| 22:11.44 | jelly | lskifa, did you pick expert install? |
| 22:11.45 | lskifa | Thanks for the help all |
| 22:11.59 | trek00 | velix: may be that init.d was written by debian maintainer, but then asterisks authors wrote a service file for systemd and debian adopted it as is |
| 22:12.04 | drocsid | I downloaded the [gcc-9_9.3.0-9.debian.tar.xz] |
| 22:12.05 | jelly | that would ask a lot more questions than regular install |
| 22:12.06 | lskifa | jelly Nope, just install |
| 22:12.25 | drocsid | I need some symbols from the build that I can't get otherwise... |
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| 22:13.13 | sney | drocsid: 'apt source gcc-9' or dget -x path-to-gcc-9.dsc will download everything |
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| 22:14.04 | jelly | drocsid, are you aware of dbgsym packages that ship debug symbols? |
| 22:14.06 | velix | trek00: They've got their own, way more complicated systemd file in their repository :D Really really confusing. I'll go through the changelog. Perhaps I can find anything. |
| 22:14.18 | jelly | !dbgsym |
| 22:14.18 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 22:15.36 | jelly | drocsid, what is your actual goal (once you get gcc built, what are you going to DO with it) |
| 22:17.11 | lskifa | Help, after install debian does not appear in my grub |
| 22:17.29 | lskifa | But its def written, just checked from manjaro gprated |
| 22:18.18 | sney | you will need to get manjaro's grub to add the entry, ask their support for help with how to do that, but it's probably just 'update-grub' |
| 22:18.31 | trek00 | lskifa: do you have UEFI or legacy bios? |
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| 22:19.29 | lskifa | Oh, ill check update grub and idk if its uefi or bios |
| 22:19.33 | trek00 | !ssb drocsid |
| 22:19.34 | drocsid | jelly: I am trying to get a file or build symbol libc++.a |
| 22:19.38 | trek00 | !ssb |
| 22:19.38 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:20.26 | lskifa | Yep, it found debian with update-grub, ill check again |
| 22:20.44 | drocsid | jelly: is there a package that has that symbol? I didn't find one... |
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| 22:21.15 | drocsid | I'm fine if there is. Otherwise I would try to build gcc if possible. |
| 22:21.48 | lskifa | Tight, im in debian |
| 22:21.52 | lskifa | Thx again! |
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| 22:23.36 | drocsid | sney: doing apt source now... Thanks! |
| 22:23.43 | trek00 | drocsid: may be libstdc++6-8-dbg |
| 22:23.44 | sc0utonlinux | Hello, i set a different partition and drive to use as /home folder however now that i've logged in it's just placed the home folder on the first drive |
| 22:23.58 | trek00 | drocsid: it should contain debug info |
| 22:24.19 | sc0utonlinux | during install.. (do i need to re-install) or can I point to correct destination ? |
| 22:25.34 | drocsid | Specifically trying to rip this file: https://github.com/gradinac/musl-bundle-example/blob/c3b2161de2502450e153e5cc74a0f7f9060e2a62/build.sh#L49 |
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| 22:25.37 | trek00 | drocsid: the apt source thing i posted to you is overcomplicated if you want only debug symbols |
| 22:25.39 | joepublic | it's a matter of 1. make sure the place to be your /home exists and is set up as it needs to be, 2. log in as root, 3. edit /etc/fstab to mount the location as /home |
| 22:26.18 | trek00 | drocsid: but may be i don't understood what you really need |
| 22:26.22 | joepublic | note that step 2 is as opposed to using su or sudo |
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| 22:26.46 | drocsid | trek00: need to try to get debians version of libc++.a . As it suggests I want to build gcc and find that artifact |
| 22:27.38 | trek00 | drocsid: may be libstdc++.a? you should install libstdc++-8-dev for debian 10 buster |
| 22:27.45 | sc0utonlinux | joepublic: understood thank you .. I read online that i need to make sure the permissions are correct as well so that the user can access.. do I set that during the mount ? or do i need to change the folder permissions as well ? |
| 22:28.01 | sc0utonlinux | it's a /home directory from a previous install |
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| 22:29.24 | joepublic | that's kind of what I mean in step 1, set it up like you want it, perms and all |
| 22:29.26 | drocsid | trek00: ahh nice! you found it! thanks! looks easier than building gcc... |
| 22:29.58 | trek00 | drocsid: definitely :) |
| 22:30.03 | drocsid | trek00: how did you find it? package contents on packages.debian.org? |
| 22:31.13 | trek00 | drocsid: i have already installed it and typed: dpkg -S libstdc++.a but packages.debian.org should be the first place when you don't have installed it |
| 22:31.30 | thejonny | sc0utonlinux: you have to set them before logging in as your user |
| 22:31.40 | thejonny | on the new installation, login as root, and chmod -R youruser:youruser ~youruser |
| 22:32.05 | trek00 | chown not chmod |
| 22:32.07 | trek00 | :) |
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| 22:32.16 | thejonny | yes |
| 22:33.03 | sc0utonlinux | thejonny: great and that does all files and folders recursively yeah ? |
| 22:33.23 | thejonny | yes, thats the -R |
| 22:33.39 | sc0utonlinux | do i need to chomod 777 as well ? |
| 22:33.47 | trek00 | sc0utonlinux: no, never :) |
| 22:33.55 | sney | !777 |
| 22:33.55 | dpkg | 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>. |
| 22:33.58 | thejonny | NONONO |
| 22:34.17 | sc0utonlinux | ok ok! haha i said a bad word |
| 22:34.25 | trek00 | :) |
| 22:34.50 | sc0utonlinux | great guys ill give that a shot thank you already |
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| 22:35.42 | thejonny | hmm, 1777 is ok for /tmp |
| 22:36.09 | trek00 | thejonny: /tmp is where anyone can write |
| 22:36.28 | drocsid | trek00: yeah missed that i can search package contents. Anyhow, thanks! |
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| 22:37.38 | trek00 | thejonny: and the 1 (the sticky bit) will prevents users to rename or delete other users files inside that directory |
| 22:38.08 | lwp | !qotd232 |
| 22:38.09 | dpkg | <bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P |
| 22:38.58 | trek00 | :D |
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| 22:39.13 | thejonny | trek00 yes, and on linux many more funny things |
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| 22:40.38 | thejonny | lets call it tmp bit, or has it another use today? |
| 22:41.02 | thejonny | !dpkg |
| 22:41.02 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 22:41.37 | thejonny | !dpkgbot |
| 22:41.37 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 22:42.07 | trek00 | thejonny: i think it is the only use on today systems |
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| 22:45.25 | jelly | drocsid, /msg judd file libstdc++.a |
| 22:47.28 | jelly | except that particular file name has too many results because of multiarch builds |
| 22:47.44 | jelly | or because of crosscompilers |
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| 23:00.16 | Thienma | does anyone here use usb speaker? I always lost sound and had to reboot. |
| 23:00.39 | Thienma | any recommend would be appreciated |
| 23:00.51 | Gigglebyte | Can Debian stable be installed from Live CD? |
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| 23:01.30 | lwp | Gigglebyte, yes 2 different installers available on the live systems |
| 23:01.56 | lwp | !calamares |
| 23:01.56 | dpkg | Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See https://jonathancarter.org/2019/10/17/calamares-plans-for-debian-11/ and https://averagelinuxuser.com/debian-10-calamares/ |
| 23:02.00 | Gigglebyte | lwp> I assume you mean for xfce? |
| 23:02.27 | lwp | yes, they are available on the xfce live systme |
| 23:02.38 | Gigglebyte | thanks |
| 23:03.19 | lwp | Gigglebyte, if your machine will require non-free firmware, you are better off using the non-free version of the live system to install from |
| 23:03.32 | Gigglebyte | lwp> Co you mean the Calamares? |
| 23:04.21 | trek00 | Thienma: i guest those usb speakers have an integrated audio card, check what it says this command before and after it lose sound: aplay -l |
| 23:04.51 | Thienma | aplay: device_list:274: no soundcards found... |
| 23:05.02 | lwp | every flavor of the live systems includes both the traditional installer and the new calamares. every flavor comes in a non-free firmware verion, and a version without that firmware |
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| 23:05.30 | Thienma | If I reboot the computer, I will see the card. I restart pulseaudio but it wont work. |
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| 23:05.49 | trek00 | Thienma: may be try to unplug and plug again usb speakers |
| 23:05.57 | Gigglebyte | I am trying to help a friend who wants to install linux dual boot, but he doesn't know what he is doing. His 250GB windows SSD has some problems, and he wants to install linux in a 1 TB ssd that is in some type of external caddy device designed to support internal drives. |
| 23:06.13 | Thienma | trek00, I did but didn't work. |
| 23:06.25 | Thienma | I tried many things. |
| 23:07.13 | Thienma | we don't have alsa in debian right? |
| 23:07.15 | trek00 | Thienma: may be lsusb shows your speakers? |
| 23:07.40 | Thienma | not showing also lol |
| 23:07.40 | trek00 | Thienma: alsa comes with linux kernel, thus it's always the base |
| 23:07.47 | Thienma | oh |
| 23:08.28 | trek00 | Thienma: try to open a terminal and write sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 23:08.50 | trek00 | Thienma: then unplug and plug again your usb speaker to see what it writes in the logs |
| 23:09.28 | lwp | Gigglebyte, also advice for dual booting windows, below from dpkg: |
| 23:09.31 | lwp | !fast startup |
| 23:09.31 | dpkg | Windows fast startup is enabled by default and will interfere with a dual-boot linux installation, and risks damaging the Windows filesystems during dual boot. Disable it with the instructions here: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup See this section of the buster installation guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s06.en.html#disable-fast-boot |
| 23:09.37 | Thienma | Apr 3 19:06:59 localhost pulseaudio[9760]: E: [pulseaudio] bluez5-util.c: GetManagedObjects() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms) |
| 23:09.53 | Thienma | great advice lwp, thanks. |
| 23:10.17 | Thienma | this problem happen also on the stable release. I'm on testing now. |
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| 23:10.54 | trek00 | Thienma: they are usb or bluetooth speakers? |
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| 23:11.25 | Thienma | usb speaker |
| 23:11.54 | Thienma | i'm using the usb speaker from logitech Digital |
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| 23:13.34 | Thienma | trek00, the error it tried to activate blue tooth? |
| 23:14.01 | trek00 | Thienma: sorry my knowledge of pulseaudio and dbus is nearly zero, but that error could drive someone to help you |
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| 23:14.23 | acf_ | hello |
| 23:14.40 | Thienma | thank you for trying. |
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| 23:14.56 | trek00 | Thienma: try: sudo service bluetooth start |
| 23:15.02 | joepublic | the #pulseaudio folks are super-helpful, just mentioning that |
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| 23:15.30 | Thienma | thanks joe |
| 23:15.58 | acf_ | I recently started having a problem where after closing my laptop lit and re-opening it, X just turns into a giant red screen |
| 23:16.19 | acf_ | I can switch to the VTs ok, but I have to restart X to see anything again there |
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| 23:16.38 | acf_ | has anyone else seen this? it wasn't happening before and it's a serious problem... |
| 23:17.30 | w41t3r4v3n | Evening folks |
| 23:18.00 | trek00 | Thienma: after starting bluez may be that unplug and plug again usb speaker will lead to something else |
| 23:18.29 | trek00 | acf_: what graphic card model? |
| 23:19.17 | acf_ | intel integrated something |
| 23:19.30 | acf_ | not sure how to get the exact model |
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| 23:20.00 | trek00 | acf_: it's ok, their drivers should be good |
| 23:20.18 | acf_ | yeah I wouldn't dare to use nvidia or something |
| 23:20.29 | acf_ | not sure even how to debug this tbh |
| 23:20.52 | trek00 | acf_: may be you can see some errors inside /var/log/syslog? |
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| 23:22.22 | acf_ | nothing around the time of the incident |
| 23:22.28 | acf_ | I only see log entries from me killing X |
| 23:23.07 | trek00 | acf_: may be are you using compton? |
| 23:23.21 | acf_ | yes, I do use compton |
| 23:23.33 | acf_ | I tried killing compton before killing X |
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| 23:23.43 | acf_ | I assumed that would fix it if it were compton's fault? |
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| 23:24.25 | trek00 | acf_: i'm trying to get more infoù |
| 23:24.48 | acf_ | oh, thanks :) |
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| 23:26.28 | sc0utonlinux | Hello I'm back :) |
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| 23:26.53 | trek00 | acf_: may be you modified your xorg.conf to change accelmethod? |
| 23:27.05 | sc0utonlinux | I just wanted to say it's worked I managed to figure it out with your guidance ! Thank you ! my home dir is now on the partition / place it's suposed to be |
| 23:27.44 | acf_ | I doubt it |
| 23:28.00 | acf_ | I certainly didn't recently, and I don't remember modifying xorg.conf on this machine ever |
| 23:28.42 | acf_ | there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d . I assume those are where it would go yeah? |
| 23:28.57 | trek00 | acf_: well, just as a try, run X without compton and then force the monitor to go off: xset dpms force off |
| 23:29.12 | acf_ | ok, I'll see :) |
| 23:29.32 | trek00 | acf_: then press some key and see if it resume correctly |
| 23:29.37 | acf_ | I'll have to wait about 20 minutes though because there is something I can't break right now :P |
| 23:29.49 | trek00 | acf_: ok :) |
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| 23:30.25 | acf_ | I might upgrade to testing if I can't figure it out |
| 23:30.33 | acf_ | that's usually what I do when mysterious things break haha |
| 23:31.00 | trek00 | thejonny: sc0utonlinux thanks to you :) |
| 23:31.33 | trek00 | joepublic: too :) |
| 23:32.03 | joepublic | good show sc0utonlinux |
| 23:32.04 | trek00 | acf_: well, upgrade to testing could break others things |
| 23:32.20 | joepublic | ah yes, but then you could just go to unstable, no? |
| 23:32.37 | trek00 | :p |
| 23:33.16 | acf_ | it could. I guess I could try downgrading X11 too? |
| 23:33.24 | acf_ | not sure what else to do |
| 23:33.35 | trek00 | acf_: downgrading to what? |
| 23:33.40 | isnice | Hi all. I have 3 nvme drives in my laptop. One is used for debian and the other two are Windows and other data. I would like to configure debian so it doesn't even see the other two drives. Not just power them down but make them not visible to the OS. Any pointers? |
| 23:34.08 | acf_ | presumably the package I had installed before it broke |
| 23:34.18 | trek00 | acf_: i guest all your packages comes from stable? if not may be there are incompatibilities between kernel -> X -> mesa3d |
| 23:34.31 | acf_ | yeah everything is the latest stable right now |
| 23:34.45 | acf_ | although I did run an upgrade the other day which installed some updates from stable |
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| 23:37.21 | acf_ | isnice: maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udisks#Hide_selected_partitions ? |
| 23:37.23 | trek00 | acf_: there are many workarounds for similar issues, but without error messages it's not simple to find the right fix |
| 23:37.34 | acf_ | yeah that's the problem |
| 23:37.38 | acf_ | I have no idea where to even start debugging it |
| 23:37.53 | sc0utonlinux | thejonny: thank you :) |
| 23:37.53 | acf_ | if I could figure out what the problem is I would file a bug |
| 23:38.09 | dvs | acf_, trek00 means to put it in a pastebin and paste the link here. |
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| 23:38.41 | acf_ | oh you want a pastebin of the syslog? |
| 23:38.54 | acf_ | I checked it and I didn't see anything |
| 23:39.04 | acf_ | it's not like something is crashing |
| 23:39.45 | isnice | acf_: thank you. that looks like a possibility. |
| 23:41.04 | trek00 | acf_: the error could be something like kernel: [drm:intel_display_resume [i915]] ... |
| 23:41.19 | trek00 | acf_: anyway error messages are not that common on gpu drivers |
| 23:41.28 | acf_ | in the dmesg? |
| 23:41.40 | trek00 | acf_: dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 23:42.32 | acf_ | http://paste.debian.net/1138333/ |
| 23:42.41 | acf_ | only stuff that matches is from bootup |
| 23:43.17 | acf_ | oh, I guess that's another thing I could try |
| 23:43.20 | acf_ | booting an old kernel |
| 23:43.44 | trek00 | acf_: which kernel versions do you have? |
| 23:44.03 | acf_ | running 4.19.0-8-amd64 |
| 23:44.15 | acf_ | looks like I also have 4.19.0-6 |
| 23:44.39 | acf_ | I had to prune them due to /boot running out of space |
| 23:46.27 | trek00 | acf_: a workaround you can try: However, there is one "fix" that I have found. If I have woken the laptop, and I am facing the black screen, I can use an HDMI cable to wake it up. What I have to do is plug an HDMI cable in (one that is connected to a TV, for instance), and just the act of plugging it in will "wake up" the screen. It is very odd but it works. |
| 23:48.39 | acf_ | huh. I will see if I can try that |
| 23:48.41 | acf_ | thanks |
| 23:49.03 | acf_ | it's actually not that the screen is going to sleep in this case |
| 23:49.15 | acf_ | I had that problem too, which iirc was solved by disabling light-locker :P |
| 23:49.25 | acf_ | it's that the screen is turning completely red |
| 23:49.49 | acf_ | but it's not just that all the red pixels are on, it's a more mellow red |
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| 23:54.17 | acf_ | ok here we go |
| 23:54.24 | acf_ | if I don't come back for a bit it means I'm rebooting my computer :) |
| 23:54.57 | usney | How do I show a list of software that is installed from a small third party repo? |
| 23:55.19 | usney | I just want to make sure it doesn't have any other extras I don't want. |
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| 23:56.44 | joepublic | I think you need a wizard's hat and robe, or either aptitude, both methods frankly being similar |
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| 23:57.49 | trek00 | :D |
| 23:58.40 | trek00 | usney: the fastest method that comes to my mind is to disable that repo, then run apt update and then run aptitude to see the list of obsolete/locally created packages |
| 23:59.22 | acf_ | yeah that didn't work |
| 23:59.26 | acf_ | old kernel didn't work either |
| 23:59.35 | acf_ | happens every time I cloes the lid, 100% |
| 23:59.37 | acf_ | no suspend |
| 23:59.50 | acf_ | this basically renders my laptop unusable... |
| 23:59.51 | acf_ | as a laptop |
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