| 00:00.02 | usney | okay I'll try that trek00 |
| 00:00.36 | usney | do I need to aptitude? |
| 00:00.51 | trek00 | acf_: may be it is an old laptop with a defective cable between monitor and graphic card? |
| 00:00.53 | usney | I haven't used aptitude in some years |
| 00:01.05 | acf_ | doubt it's a hardware problem |
| 00:01.16 | acf_ | VTs all still work |
| 00:01.24 | usney | what commands do I need to issue for that with aptitude? trek00 |
| 00:01.26 | trek00 | usney: you can run it from the command line: aptitude search '~o' |
| 00:01.27 | acf_ | can switch between VTs and X and the red screen comes / goes |
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| 00:01.36 | usney | I normally use apt |
| 00:01.43 | acf_ | well, guess I'll try upgrading to testing |
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| 00:02.00 | usney | okay thank you trek00 |
| 00:02.45 | trek00 | acf_: did you tried without compton running? |
| 00:02.49 | acf_ | yeah |
| 00:03.00 | acf_ | tried both without compton and without compton + the old kernel I have |
| 00:03.52 | acf_ | pretty surprised this broke in stable |
| 00:03.52 | trek00 | acf_: :/ |
| 00:04.02 | acf_ | don't think I've seen that before |
| 00:04.09 | trek00 | acf_: i don't think it was an update that broken your setup |
| 00:04.21 | acf_ | hm |
| 00:04.27 | acf_ | not sure what else it would be though |
| 00:04.38 | acf_ | I haven't changed anything around X in a long time |
| 00:04.50 | trek00 | acf_: it may be something using your graphical acceleration in a way it was not before |
| 00:05.11 | acf_ | I mean it happens right when I boot before even opening any applications |
| 00:05.25 | acf_ | it's very strange |
| 00:05.51 | acf_ | anyway, I'm pretty unoptimistic about figuring out these strange X display problems |
| 00:06.02 | trek00 | acf_: yes, but gpu issues are mostly very strange :) |
| 00:06.10 | acf_ | haha yep |
| 00:06.15 | acf_ | I do appreciate all of your help though :) |
| 00:06.31 | trek00 | acf_: may be you can find someone on #dri-devel |
| 00:06.54 | trek00 | acf_: or better on #intel-3d |
| 00:07.04 | acf_ | hm. I will try it. if I can help someone debug this I would do it |
| 00:07.12 | acf_ | to get it fixed |
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| 00:09.03 | trek00 | acf_: before to upgrade/reinstall, try with a live linux |
| 00:09.27 | trek00 | acf_: there should be a live linux with debian testing, just to know in advance if it will fix your issue |
| 00:09.47 | acf_ | oh good idea |
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| 00:13.21 | trek00 | acf_: just another correction, the channel where to ask for help should be #intel-gfx, not #intel-3d, but try during working-days |
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| 00:14.02 | acf_ | okay |
| 00:14.11 | acf_ | hopefully testing solves my problem though |
| 00:14.28 | acf_ | basically means I can't use my laptop as a laptop until then |
| 00:15.28 | trek00 | acf_: if you remember when it started, you can check /var/log/dpkg.log* files to see what it was upgraded |
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| 00:29.32 | trek00 | usney: a better method could be use aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?origin(NAME))' where NAME is the value of the Origin field of the InRelease file of that repository (this method does not require to disable repository and it should reports more accurate list of packages) |
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| 00:33.11 | sponix | Going more STABLE and less outside stuff ... Think this will make my quality of life better :) |
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| 00:34.28 | annadane | i've become less militant of using outside stuff but i still think it's like, anything i want to do is probably in the repo |
| 00:34.44 | annadane | i'll add 3rd party repos very conditionally |
| 00:35.01 | dvs | *gasp* |
| 00:37.20 | trek00 | usney: sorry, i found the ultimate commandline that will shows anything installed that does not come from debian: aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,?not(?origin(Debian)))' |
| 00:37.45 | annadane | those using sid i think will have pretty well everything |
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| 00:39.03 | annadane | but yeah, stable++ for most people |
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| 00:43.12 | annadane | (please don't use sid unless you know what you're doing; disclaimer) |
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| 00:44.05 | trek00 | and use stable if you want to focus on things other than fixing your system :) |
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| 00:46.42 | usney | thank you trek00 |
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| 00:47.00 | Unit193 | trek00: Re: aptitude. I've used apt-forktracer for that. |
| 00:47.37 | usney | I didn't try either method yet because I was cheating my used cpu I got ebay today. Was cleaning off the old thermal paste. |
| 00:48.02 | usney | cheating/cleaning* correction |
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| 00:48.57 | trek00 | :) |
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| 00:49.32 | usney | I am not on debian trek00 I am on a debian testing based distro. But I did just install debian testing on a friends laptop yesterday. |
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| 00:49.59 | usney | I'll try the first method first since that is the case |
| 00:50.11 | usney | then I can reenable it back once I know. |
| 00:50.51 | trek00 | usney: if you know the origin name of your main repository, the last command should be more accurate (no false positives) |
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| 00:53.12 | usney | okay I know what that is thank you trek00 |
| 00:53.25 | usney | I will reeable the repo and update and try that |
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| 00:55.56 | InvisibleRasta | guys is it raccomandable to setup a wordpress server with the package in the debian repository? |
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| 00:56.37 | usney | It will work InvisibleRasta |
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| 00:56.55 | usney | What edition of Debian are you using? |
| 00:57.01 | InvisibleRasta | buster |
| 00:57.02 | usney | stable or testing? |
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| 00:57.09 | InvisibleRasta | usney: stable |
| 00:57.13 | usney | cool |
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| 00:58.24 | trek00 | InvisibleRasta: if you don't need a specific version the debian package should be always the first try :) |
| 00:58.43 | usney | I am not sure how up to date the package is. But from what I remember Debian stable only patches critical bugs and security fixes because it helps with stability than to update to the newer version. |
| 00:59.08 | usney | trek00 is that how it is still setup on debian? ^^ |
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| 01:00.17 | trek00 | usney: yes only bugfixes should come on newer versions of stable release, but there are some notable exceptions like firefox |
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| 01:01.06 | usney | cool trek00 |
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| 01:01.59 | InvisibleRasta | trek00: from my understangins i can install with debian repo and then at login it prompts you to upgrade to latestt |
| 01:02.28 | trek00 | InvisibleRasta: i really don't know wordpress |
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| 01:04.43 | usney | It works trek00 |
| 01:05.01 | usney | This is very useful |
| 01:05.10 | usney | The list is very small so that is good to know |
| 01:05.18 | trek00 | usney: good :) |
| 01:05.44 | usney | I'll have to save that as a script |
| 01:05.52 | usney | that is hard to remember |
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| 01:09.25 | usney | I will be back later I have to reboot |
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| 03:18.02 | acf_ | trek00: I figured it out |
| 03:18.15 | trek00 | acf_: what it was? |
| 03:18.18 | acf_ | there is a tool called "slock" that somehow got installed on my system |
| 03:18.25 | acf_ | and now starts automatically at login |
| 03:18.39 | acf_ | how this happened I have no idea. I think it might have to do with the "surf" browser, which is made by the same group |
| 03:18.53 | acf_ | anyway, what it does it to turn the screen red until you enter your password |
| 03:18.56 | acf_ | no prompts or anything |
| 03:19.27 | trek00 | acf_: good you find it! |
| 03:19.29 | acf_ | a couple things |
| 03:19.37 | acf_ | why on debian when you install a package does it make it start automatically? |
| 03:19.41 | acf_ | seems like a bad behaviour |
| 03:19.49 | acf_ | also |
| 03:19.50 | acf_ | https://packages.debian.org/buster/surf |
| 03:19.51 | mindlessmiss | hey I'm running debian Linux Thinkcentre-ethernet 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1 (2020-01-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux, I have a few different desktop environments installed, mate, openbox, fluxbox xfce, lxqt and a couple others.. I usally use mate because that's what I am sorta familar with... but anyway the fonts on the screen used to look fine, no materr which DE I chose... but now all the text on the screen looks jagged and weird. It looks fine |
| 03:19.52 | mindlessmiss | up until I login.. The text all looks fine up uintil after I login to any DE. It used to look fine but this has just happened recently.. I have installed a few things but not sure what I've changed to make the text look sdo bad |
| 03:19.58 | acf_ | why is "suckless-tools" a recommended package from surf |
| 03:20.13 | mindlessmiss | any ideas how I might be able to fix it |
| 03:20.14 | acf_ | the only thing that relates it is that it's by the same vendor |
| 03:20.18 | trek00 | acf_: it depends, many people expect the packages to be usable just after install |
| 03:20.22 | acf_ | that would be like if thunderbird were a recommended package for firefox |
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| 03:20.50 | acf_ | so if you install surf with apt-get install you get this stupid locker progam roped in |
| 03:21.35 | trek00 | acf_: usually i disable automatic install of recommended packages, there are too many |
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| 03:22.10 | acf_ | yeah maybe I will have to do that |
| 03:22.17 | acf_ | this entire situation is stupid |
| 03:22.47 | trek00 | acf_: usually i create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf adding: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 03:23.24 | trek00 | acf_: it depends by the package maintainer, sometimes they trows too many unnecessary dependencies |
| 03:24.04 | acf_ | tbh in this case it looks like the authors promoting / tricking you to install their unrelated products |
| 03:25.04 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: may be anti-aliasing setting? mate comes with a configuration tool? |
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| 03:26.02 | trek00 | acf_: may be, this is a voluntary project and everyone contributes how they like |
| 03:26.41 | trek00 | acf_: may be you can submit a bugreport asking if they downgrade suckless-tools form recommended to suggested |
| 03:26.48 | acf_ | yeah, I am probably being too harsh |
| 03:27.05 | acf_ | I am just annoyed at spending so much time to fix this |
| 03:27.11 | trek00 | acf_: i've already submitted bugreports like that, sometimes they are accepted sometimes not |
| 03:27.21 | trek00 | acf_: yeah i can understard |
| 03:27.52 | acf_ | perhaps I will make one just explaining what happened to me and suggest that it be changed to suggested as a solution for others |
| 03:28.10 | acf_ | thank you for your help earlier btw |
| 03:28.23 | trek00 | acf_: yes, explaining the specific issue can help maintainer to better understand |
| 03:28.27 | acf_ | and in general I love the debian project, and really appreciate all the work you all do |
| 03:28.45 | acf_ | it powers pretty much all the computing I do so |
| 03:28.49 | trek00 | acf_: i'm happy you fixed that issue :) |
| 03:28.57 | acf_ | :) |
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| 03:30.04 | mindlessmiss | trek00, II tried fiddling with the "rendering" in mate's appearence settingsa |
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| 03:31.13 | mindlessmiss | trek00, it has settings for sub-pixel smoothing etc. But no mattter which setting I choose there it still looks awful. It's like this is any DE I use. Wass fine yetserday |
| 03:31.20 | mindlessmiss | login screen looks ok still |
| 03:31.44 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: i think login screen is not influenced by mate settings |
| 03:32.31 | mindlessmiss | trek00, I'm using lightdm I think. Openbox/xcfe etc are all looking terrible |
| 03:33.11 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: on the rendering panel all fonts are weird? |
| 03:33.44 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: openbox usually needs some manual configuration for the fonts, xfce should be fine |
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| 03:44.04 | openbsdtai123 | APT_GET CITADEL. Hi, to install a Email server, which software is fast, light and gives email service ? I know CITADEL, are there alternative to citadel? |
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| 03:45.48 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: there are many: postfix exim dma ssmtp |
| 03:46.39 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: the virtual package mail-transport-agent list them all |
| 03:46.39 | mindlessmiss | trek00, s://i.paste.pics/8JCEA.png none of these settings make them clear like they used to be |
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| 03:47.10 | annadane | out of interest, what are you using? lxqt? |
| 03:47.17 | mindlessmiss | scuse my absolute mess of a setup |
| 03:47.18 | annadane | or mate |
| 03:47.30 | annadane | looks closer to mate |
| 03:47.31 | mindlessmiss | mate atm. |
| 03:47.56 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: in theory subpixel rendering + slight hintig should be the best, but you really need to know the subpixel order of your monitor, usually it is RGB |
| 03:48.02 | openbsdtai123 | I dont mean postfix, but really a server that give you an email like CITADEL (see citadel, .... username@myip address) |
| 03:48.08 | mindlessmiss | the fonts are terrible any DE I use |
| 03:49.07 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: i don't know citadel, may be you want a webmail? or a full groupware app? |
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| 03:50.49 | annadane | "applications - places - system" ought to have tipped me off |
| 03:50.56 | annadane | for shame |
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| 03:51.49 | openbsdtai123 | yeah , a webmail hoster like CITADEL... there is more daemon like that into debian? I installed citadel but it takes a lot of CPU. |
| 03:52.29 | sney | you keep saying citadel as if it will suddenly become familiar |
| 03:52.39 | sney | why don't you describe what you want to do? |
| 03:52.49 | openbsdtai123 | citadel exists since ages, it was always there in debian |
| 03:53.09 | trek00 | openbsdtai123: there are many like roundcube horde squirrel.. see https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=webmail&searchon=all&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 03:53.12 | annadane | even so, describe your goal, not everyone is familiar with it |
| 03:53.22 | annadane | "i am looking for features a b c and it must not include d" |
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| 03:54.14 | sney | 'apt show citadel' lists more features than just mail. calendar, message boards, etc |
| 03:54.50 | openbsdtai123 | ahh, I just would like to send an email from my IP and to offer an email server like Webmail.. (e.g. microsoft exchange, or the squirrel citadel :() |
| 03:55.25 | openbsdtai123 | thank you guys, I appreciate your posts. |
| 03:56.00 | Unit193 | When you say "My IP", do you mean your home ISP? |
| 03:56.23 | sney | so you probably want a MTA like postfix, a pop3/imap server like dovecot, and some web app to log in to it? |
| 03:56.40 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: may be you need to dpkg-reconfigure -plow fontconfig-config fontconfig |
| 03:56.52 | sney | Unit193 has a point, a lot of home ISPs don't allow running email servers, since they are often compromised and used for spam |
| 03:57.05 | trek00 | mindlessmiss: but it is unlikely if your lightdm is running fine |
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| 04:05.35 | Unit193 | sney: That was half the point, the other being that a lot of resident IPs are listed in spamhaus. |
| 04:05.49 | sney | that too. |
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| 04:15.52 | acf_ | mindlessmiss: perhaps you could create a new user account? |
| 04:16.02 | acf_ | to check if it's a user-specific configuration option causing the problem |
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| 05:10.26 | chet | There is some kind of terrible bug in strech where launching something from kde quick launch freezes everything rock solid. Running the nouveau driver and many times I launch different programs from the plasma quick launch it freezes the system solid. |
| 05:10.57 | chet | cant drop to tty2 or anything |
| 05:11.11 | acf_ | can you still ping it over the network? |
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| 05:12.08 | chet | I would have to break out the laptop when it does it again, what would I do then? |
| 05:13.04 | chet | strech is still supported right? wish I knew how to bug track better |
| 05:13.20 | acf_ | if it pings you could try sshing into it |
| 05:13.32 | chet | yeah |
| 05:13.38 | acf_ | you could also preemptively enable magic sysrq for next time it happens |
| 05:14.08 | acf_ | perhaps it could give you some traces or something |
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| 05:15.09 | chet | so that some key combination? |
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| 05:15.18 | chet | just searching it now |
| 05:15.39 | acf_ | alt + print screen |
| 05:15.54 | acf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.10 | acf_ | I used to use it a lot to force oomkiller to run when thrashing swap :P |
| 05:16.34 | acf_ | it has to be enabled by writing '1' to /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq |
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| 05:17.52 | chet | I dont have to do this remotely right. I can try it from the frozen machine next time?? I have the crtl alt backspace thing set but it ignored that as well |
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| 05:19.21 | acf_ | yeah magic sysrq has to be done from the machine's keyboard |
| 05:19.43 | acf_ | you could try 'k' - kill all processes on the current VT |
| 05:20.13 | acf_ | 'l' - show a stack backtrace for all cpu |
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| 05:20.28 | Dark0ne | anyone can give me a help with hydra? |
| 05:20.46 | acf_ | 't' - output list of current tasks |
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| 05:20.53 | acf_ | probably some more useful ones too |
| 05:21.55 | chet | acf_: thanks, I'll check into it, nice info. I have never had a machine lock up like from just normal usage before... |
| 05:22.50 | chet | havent done anything to make it act up... hope it isnt hardware ... can you even buy anything right now? :-( |
| 05:23.12 | acf_ | the internet is always open ;) |
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| 06:00.28 | maxrazer | My debian sid just crashed. I'm trying to figure out what to look for in the var/log/syslog if that is the right file. |
| 06:00.46 | maxrazer | I really don't know what to look for. It seems to contain only entries from today too. |
| 06:01.46 | maxrazer | If I knew where the new boot up started I could look right before that. |
| 06:03.32 | hket | maxrazer: how does the "crash" look like? |
| 06:03.48 | hket | It's pretty vague to say something... |
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| 06:04.49 | maxrazer | The computer stopped responding totally and I couldn't switch to another virtual terminal. So, I just restarted the computer with the button. |
| 06:05.20 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 06:05.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:05.40 | maxrazer | I just tried to join debian-next but it said invite only. |
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| 06:06.02 | annadane | read closer |
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| 06:06.51 | maxrazer | oh, I'm on freenode. |
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| 06:10.55 | jim | annadane, I think you have to reg your nick on oftc to join #debian-next |
| 06:11.44 | annadane | what network, jim? |
| 06:11.53 | annadane | oh i can't read |
| 06:11.56 | annadane | meh |
| 06:12.33 | jim | heh, dont' worry about it... |
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| 06:14.03 | annadane | he was joining the wrong chan anyway |
| 06:14.11 | annadane | or rather, right chan on the wrong network |
| 06:14.19 | greatadvice | annadane, it's important for a such member as you to underline your status in the debian community. You're the best Debian member but you can be even better if you join irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 irc.supernets.org #5000 |
| 06:14.35 | annadane | wow, great advice |
| 06:14.37 | annadane | i think i will |
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| 06:15.45 | binaryhermit | you missed a </sarcasm> annadane |
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| 06:15.59 | Dark0ne | hmmm |
| 06:16.16 | Dark0ne | what makes that special? |
| 06:16.21 | annadane | it's a sad day when you need to specify that you're being sarcastic |
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| 06:21.09 | scentless | Hi, i have a debian computer that does NAT for my network, the internet speed connection is about 600mbps up 400mbps down, but on the clients i only get 300mbps up 300mbps down, what could case this, any idea? |
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| 06:30.03 | ratrace | scentless: between which endpoints and how did you measure it? |
| 06:30.18 | scentless | speetdtest-cli |
| 06:30.21 | scentless | -t |
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| 06:31.10 | ratrace | okay so no disk involved which would be the bottleneck? anyway, your internet connection speed is "guaranteed" (if at all) only between your router and your ISP. once the traffic enters your ISP network, all bets are off |
| 06:31.40 | ratrace | especially these days when there's more strain due to covid and networks are forced to apply some QoS pressure |
| 06:32.06 | scentless | yea i guess so |
| 06:32.49 | ratrace | also the kind of traffic matters and speedtest(-cli) is a lousy tool |
| 06:33.56 | scentless | i can copy files between server and clients at ~1gbps |
| 06:34.01 | scentless | 800-900mbps |
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| 06:35.59 | watom | you could try nftables instead of iptables. it should be faster |
| 06:36.21 | ratrace | not at this scale it won't |
| 06:37.00 | ratrace | (and also ip/nf tables "speed" is about PPS not BPS) |
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| 06:38.32 | felipe | Hello there. I'm trying to install a package that needs 32 and 64 bits libraries. but when i installed the video drivers i wasn't using multarch and now the program doesn't run due to lack of 32 bits files. Then I will have to reinstall the video drivers. My doubts are how should I delete the current ones, should I use dpkgf purge or apt-get purge? What if I just reinstalled the drivers. I am trying to install the steam client and I have a gtx 1060 with 44 |
| 06:38.32 | felipe | 0 drivers. Could someone help me with that, already grateful. |
| 06:41.28 | ratrace | felipe: if you're using only software from official Debian repositories, it should all be automatic, but you need to enable 32-bit with dpkg --add-architecture i386 followed by apt update and then try to install the 32-bit package |
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| 06:47.09 | annadane | afaik |
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| 08:33.28 | sc0utonlinux | can anyone tell me what exactly "ssh server" option does during debian install .. openssh-server doesn't seem to be installed |
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| 08:36.07 | obiwahn | no_ |
| 08:36.32 | obiwahn | `ps aux | grep sshd` nothing? |
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| 08:37.48 | sc0utonlinux | obiwahn: 4469 0.0 0.0 6076 888 pts/1 S+ 10:36 0:00 grep sshd |
| 08:38.15 | obiwahn | yeah it is installed and running |
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| 08:38.47 | sc0utonlinux | is that openssh-server ? or a debian own service |
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| 08:39.38 | sc0utonlinux | could you point me in the right direction to inform myself a bit better .. i feel like I am not fully comprehending.. the guides on google all talk about apot-get openssh-server |
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| 08:39.54 | obiwahn | as root or with sudo: `netstat -nlpt | grep sshd` |
| 08:39.59 | obiwahn | shows you the port |
| 08:40.07 | sc0utonlinux | and when i try and ssh into the ip it's refusing the connection |
| 08:40.31 | obiwahn | systemctl status sshd.service - is what you will usually use |
| 08:40.58 | obiwahn | are you using a the ipv6 or v4 |
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| 08:41.25 | sc0utonlinux | i was just using the hostname which resolves to ipv6 |
| 08:41.28 | watom | it's not running guys |
| 08:41.33 | watom | the grep output have no ssh service |
| 08:41.34 | obiwahn | the v4 might be shared if you are in shitty dualstack setup of your isp |
| 08:41.55 | sc0utonlinux | and status sshd.service "ssh.service" could not be found |
| 08:41.59 | watom | debian doesn't install ssh by default |
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| 08:42.04 | watom | ssh server* |
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| 08:42.33 | obiwahn | oh lol he is not grpping the grep away:) |
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| 08:43.07 | obiwahn | can you confirm with `systemctl status sshd.service` |
| 08:43.07 | watom | install task-ssh-server |
| 08:43.14 | watom | or openssh-server idk |
| 08:43.51 | sc0utonlinux | Unit sshd.service could not be found. |
| 08:44.07 | sc0utonlinux | well im willing to install something .. but I clicked "ssh server" during debian install |
| 08:44.17 | watom | bug |
| 08:44.20 | sc0utonlinux | so i am wondering what that did .. i don't want redundancy |
| 08:44.24 | obiwahn | just install it |
| 08:44.32 | obiwahn | don't worry |
| 08:44.34 | watom | the installer use task-ssh-server |
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| 08:45.19 | watom | you can even "tasksel install ssh-server" |
| 08:45.33 | watom | to use the exactly same way of the installer |
| 08:45.36 | sc0utonlinux | task-ssh-server is better than openssh-server ? |
| 08:46.00 | watom | probably the best one is the tasksel version |
| 08:46.05 | obiwahn | probably the same, if the fist is some sort of meta-package |
| 08:46.13 | watom | if you want the "default" installer way |
| 08:46.29 | obiwahn | but you can check: apt-cache show <pkg> |
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| 08:48.04 | sc0utonlinux | thank you both .. and watom I learned a new command "taskel" which is great :D |
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| 08:50.02 | obiwahn | even if i was too busy to look at the ouput you posted you should really not forget the other commands |
| 08:50.27 | obiwahn | they will help you in the future much more than tasksel |
| 08:50.46 | obiwahn | journalctl is another candidate |
| 08:51.34 | sc0utonlinux | obiwahn: yep i've written them all in my linux note book just now :) |
| 08:52.03 | sc0utonlinux | obiwahn: nice journalctl -- also a candidate to read up more on tonight :) |
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| 08:57.02 | sc0utonlinux | it's working now so great :) - much apreciated |
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| 09:58.33 | openbsdtai123 | Is Xcas (maths) available on all Debians? (x11 Xcas math calculator) |
| 10:00.39 | zatumil | ,v xcas |
| 10:00.40 | judd | Package: xcas on amd64 -- buster: 1.4.9.69+dfsg1-2; bullseye: 1.5.0.87+dfsg1-4; sid: 1.5.0.87+dfsg1-4 |
| 10:02.06 | sc0utonlinux | I get this wierd display issue when i ctrl + alt + F2 |
| 10:02.08 | sc0utonlinux | https://imgur.com/gallery/zFjZPx2 |
| 10:02.46 | sc0utonlinux | any pointers to try and resolve anyone? |
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| 10:12.07 | openbsdtai123 | thank you... Glad that Xcas for mathematicians is still today in Linux debian |
| 10:12.33 | thejonny | sc0utonlinux: what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 10:13.08 | sc0utonlinux | it's a T480 thinkpad so it's just the intel |
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| 10:17.19 | miskatonic | hat is xcas? |
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| 11:39.37 | fonky | hey all |
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| 11:45.42 | fonky | question, any alternative to gloobus and sushi and not for gnome? |
| 11:46.17 | fonky | https://pooi.moe/QuickLook/ < similar to |
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| 12:34.36 | mi11k1 | hey guys, could somebody pls give me some insight. Ive takin a stab here and there trying to virtualize MacOS, from my experience with Macs directly, I love them, but as time has gone by I hate the company and everything related is a pain in the ass. Obviously im on buster, and I also have a Proxmox hypervysor running. Is this a VM of a recent version of MacOS possible without currrently owning one? I read a lot, and I can see wasting |
| 12:34.37 | mi11k1 | a huge ammount of time trying to make this work considering the size of their images, etc. Ill accept the answer "not worth it, if thats the case. thanks |
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| 12:35.39 | towo` | mi11k1, 2 things, 1st, proxmox is not debian, 2nd virtualizing macos is only allowed on apple hardware |
| 12:35.54 | mi11k1 | i have debian and i have proxmox |
| 12:36.10 | mi11k1 | and on proxmox i have 20 debians |
| 12:36.25 | towo` | doesn't matter |
| 12:36.29 | mi11k1 | im just saying im running that hypervysor |
| 12:36.47 | mi11k1 | its debian repos, and i use my knowledge from debian to make it go |
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| 12:37.17 | mi11k1 | my question is really what i asked, i hate this arguement everytime. i get it. |
| 12:38.15 | fonky | just use darling instead of mac os virtualisation |
| 12:38.17 | fonky | :) |
| 12:38.24 | fonky | less spyware |
| 12:38.25 | mi11k1 | really? |
| 12:38.42 | mi11k1 | ive never come across that, or paid attention |
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| 12:39.15 | fonky | https://www.darlinghq.org/ |
| 12:39.22 | mi11k1 | thanks fonky, i have a good feeling you just gave me what i was looking for |
| 12:39.58 | mi11k1 | fonky, its like a WINE? |
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| 12:40.39 | fonky | not similar but i think it does the trick, the project should be online for about 10 years now, i figure it is quite mature now |
| 12:40.46 | fonky | although have not tried it |
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| 12:42.13 | mi11k1 | fonky, problem is theyre working with something thats impossible. it would be hard to makje that work. btw, anybody need an iphone? |
| 12:42.58 | mi11k1 | just kidding theres a bunch of ppl that like shiny things that wanna trade a usable phone. |
| 12:43.16 | fonky | phones need a dialer |
| 12:43.17 | mi11k1 | thanks though, we can stop talking about forbidden stuff now. |
| 12:43.17 | fonky | :) |
| 12:43.24 | fonky | the rest is coffe cup holders |
| 12:43.26 | miskatonic | iphone is just spyware |
| 12:43.43 | mi11k1 | no doubt. |
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| 12:43.57 | mi11k1 | my samsung went for a swim, and i dont have any $ |
| 12:44.11 | fonky | my samsung actually swims |
| 12:44.15 | fonky | :) |
| 12:44.32 | mi11k1 | was give an iphone, and it so ridic. i remember their slogan "theres an app for that" |
| 12:44.34 | fonky | like a submarine |
| 12:44.40 | mi11k1 | yah 1, and its $15 |
| 12:44.54 | fonky | the first one is the best of them all |
| 12:45.00 | fonky | best case |
| 12:45.08 | mi11k1 | mine does too, but its cracked to shit and doesnt hold the wateer out |
| 12:45.23 | mi11k1 | supposed to be good for 10M or something |
| 12:46.11 | mi11k1 | i i think its ok though, cause it still turns on, just no screen. i have one of those dex adapters and you can use it. |
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| 12:46.36 | miskatonic | Drake Bell must be a Samsung user, then. Up Periscope! |
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| 12:49.03 | mi11k1 | but, that assistant it has is a pain. i havent tried rooting it to get rid of it. I have like 3 phones that need screens. The S8 took more abuse than i could have imagined. Ppl would shown me a cracked screen, mine had huge chunks out of it, I had to use a dremmel to get the the simcard out. |
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| 13:02.39 | f8e4 | my sshd on server constantly throws me out during launch break :( all stuff need reopen, how solve it? |
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| 13:05.17 | Allain | just type "prevent ssh to disconnect" on google. I found the solution there |
| 13:05.31 | Allain | https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/keep-your-linux-ssh-session-from-disconnecting/ |
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| 13:06.36 | mi11k1 | f8e4, i use autossh for homeassistant |
| 13:07.02 | mi11k1 | im on the shottiest wifi ever and its been prettu good so far |
| 13:07.40 | mi11k1 | its not even my wifi actually. ssh used to hang on me in 15 seconds |
| 13:10.21 | mi11k1 | f8e4, what are you sshing? i found that some VPS disconnect you when theres resource problems on the other end |
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| 13:12.33 | mi11k1 | like the vps's that are $10 a year. It works perfectly for a VPN server, but it wont do yum updates or hold ssh connections, even when you try those tricks that Allain pointed you too, which are usually all u need. |
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| 13:14.41 | Bushmaster | hi folks, apology if that question is irrelevant, I need to know whether Libreelec can be installed in old laptop or desktop machine as OS? |
| 13:14.51 | mi11k1 | yes |
| 13:15.06 | mi11k1 | its easier to just install debian and then install kodi |
| 13:15.41 | mi11k1 | i mean, i stopped messing with libre and those other distros long ago |
| 13:16.26 | mi11k1 | and of course it depends how old. oldest i trieed was centrino thinkpad |
| 13:17.19 | mi11k1 | xp machine. and i remember it worked ok. 1 gig of ram at the most. |
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| 13:20.24 | jelly | Bushmaster, best see if they have a channel and ask there. /msg alis list libreelec |
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| 13:45.02 | f8e4 | what is the correct way to restart a sshdaemon eg? sudo service, sudo systemctl? |
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| 13:48.38 | wMw | I use service sshd restart |
| 13:49.13 | f8e4 | no what, which when |
| 13:49.59 | ratrace | f8e4: systemctl |
| 13:50.06 | ratrace | "service" just wraps systemctl |
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| 13:56.44 | usr01234321eq111 | a time go i was trying to install and run "vms" (or containers) in lxc |
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| 14:04.04 | usr01234321eq111 | Even I have fear of install ketchup, since I crashed my previous install |
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| 14:06.09 | irclinad | how to recreate entire /boot properly? |
| 14:06.40 | irclinad | I have to repair a broken system, were basically /boot was gone. The FS uses raid, luks and LVM. |
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| 14:07.26 | irclinad | when I mounted it all from livecd and chrooted into the system, and upgrade-initramfs + grub-install, it created not working initramfs that didn't had tools to open encryptions. |
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| 14:09.53 | ratrace | irclinad: did you forget to mount /boot? is it there but you just have to mount it? |
| 14:10.20 | usr01234321eq111 | or see if not already mounted |
| 14:10.46 | ratrace | irclinad: also, when working with chroots make sure the luks container mapper name is the SAME as the one listed in (chrooted) /etc/crypttab |
| 14:10.48 | irclinad | ratrace: /boot was mounted. It did created /boot/initramfs.. I think it improperly created initramfs because it doesn't detect it needs encryption, when the luks was opened outside (and then I chrooted with already mounted) |
| 14:10.56 | irclinad | so maybe the chrooted old system doesnt know it needs crypto |
| 14:11.03 | ratrace | otherwise initramfs/grub won't be able to find recognize that's rootfs |
| 14:11.09 | irclinad | yeah exactly. |
| 14:11.33 | irclinad | but how to "map" them? should I again cryptsetup luksOpen the same? but then... I can not mount it, it IS mounted from outside |
| 14:11.48 | ratrace | irclinad: otherwise you just reinstall the kernel, thta triggers initramfs-update, once you're sure /boot is there and what it's supposed to be (mountpoint or whtever) |
| 14:12.02 | ratrace | irclinad: yes, you cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sd... mapper_name |
| 14:12.18 | irclinad | so lukeOpen it, but do NOT mount it again? that will be sufficient? |
| 14:12.27 | ratrace | for chroot you have to unlock the containers, mount the fs inside, mount devfs, procfs sysfs |
| 14:12.38 | ratrace | irclinad: to chroot you need to mount it |
| 14:13.19 | irclinad | ok so outside: luksOpen and mount, then chroot into the mount, inside do again luksOpen (but do not mount once more) and then reinstall kernel image, grub-install and update-initramfs? |
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| 14:13.54 | ratrace | no no. you luksOpen and mount ONCE, from the "host" side, before chroot. Just make sure the mapper name given to luksOpen is the same as the one in (chroot)/etc/crypttab |
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| 14:14.58 | ratrace | irclinad: and before chroot you need to bind mount /dev, /sys and /proc, into chroot dir, so the devices and mappers, are available in the chroot |
| 14:15.12 | technobi | Hello All, how would I turn off the monitor on inactivity in tty (console) ... setterm -powerdown 1 ... didnt' help ... I'm on Acer Aspire, Debian 10. Thank You in advance |
| 14:16.26 | ratrace | technobi: use consoleblank kernel command line option. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.19/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html |
| 14:16.54 | technobi | ... O.K. .. it works sorry about the question... just when I sent that and waited for reply the screen turned off... thank You |
| 14:17.37 | ratrace | technobi: still, use consoleblank for automagic |
| 14:17.51 | technobi | ratrace: O.K. I'll look to it. |
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| 14:20.43 | technobi | BTW: Is there a way to use 256 colors in pure TTY (I can achieve that using yaft or another frame-buffer terminal)? |
| 14:21.07 | technobi | ... e.g. fbterm |
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| 14:39.03 | klys | technobi, only with KD_GRAPHICS active. http://asm.sourceforge.net/articles/fb.html |
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| 14:40.13 | klys | technobi, when you switch back to KD_TEXT all the imagery disappears. |
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| 14:48.29 | technobi | klys: O.K. thank You I thought that... there are still limits on TTY's like max font size & 16 colors... unsure whether is by design or rather small amount of updates. Thank You |
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| 14:52.51 | klys | technobi, somewhere around debian sarge, the console-tools devs tried to address this, and the debian switched over to using kbd instead. we still have a console-data package, however. if you were to get that development version of console-tools working, it would have to be on a rather (very?) old system, and you would be pretty lucky to compile it and to have a .bdf font that worked. |
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| 14:56.59 | irclinad | ratrace: do you maybe also know, when I am in initramfs console and I fixed things (mounted/opened FSes), but root= (argument to linux) how to continue normal booting |
| 14:59.32 | klys | irclinad, did it not detect your root filesystem, and that's why you have (initramfs) ? if so, what was your root= parameter? is it missing from /dev ? |
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| 15:00.30 | klys | irclinad, you should be able to retrieve it with: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:01.00 | irclinad | klys: that is a thing I run into while experimenting. to enter initramfs at all, with empty grub, I do prefix=(hd0,msdos1) linux /vmlinuz... initramfs=/initramsf... boot . so root is empty. |
| 15:01.48 | klys | irclinad, can you reboot and specify root=/dev/sda1 ? |
| 15:02.02 | irclinad | I sitll didn't understood from online docs what root= should be for example... if my system is lvm on encrypted raid, then it needs something like root=/dev/mapper/vg_mycomp_lv_root ? and if no lvm then /dev/mapper/md0_crypto ? |
| 15:02.28 | irclinad | /dev/sda1 is where /boot is |
| 15:02.33 | klys | no experience here with booting an encrypted system |
| 15:03.14 | irclinad | so root= the argument to linux commandline, should be... the name of device where (after initramfs completes) there will be the root of filesystem, right? |
| 15:03.22 | klys | yes |
| 15:04.27 | irclinad | is there a script on linux to properly chroot into /target , such as remount there proc, dev and so on? |
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| 15:05.22 | ratrace | irclinad: iirc you just 'exit' |
| 15:05.43 | irclinad | ratrace: then it again complains root is unset and again opens initramfs console |
| 15:06.07 | klys | you can't boot linux with an unset root= |
| 15:06.15 | ratrace | irclinad: then you must set proper root= via grub edit action |
| 15:06.25 | irclinad | can you set root to other value while in initramfs |
| 15:06.39 | klys | no, it has to be set at boot. |
| 15:07.01 | ratrace | I'm not sure. "in initramfs" is just busybox shell, and kernel command line options are set once during invocation. not sure you can modify /proc/cmdline |
| 15:07.07 | irclinad | ah. well it would be more comfortable that way. I guess you can write it down and reboot |
| 15:07.34 | ratrace | during *kernel invocation/loading |
| 15:08.02 | ratrace | irclinad: you can know it in advance, and set via grub |
| 15:08.36 | ratrace | I mean, it's predictable, if you know your rootfs device. in your case /dev/mapper/something if that was LUKS'd rootfs |
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| 15:09.02 | ratrace | the "something" was whatever you set. |
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| 15:18.50 | irclinad | indeed, that's doable |
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| 15:21.39 | ice9 | sometimes I can ssh to the server but most of the time icannot, no firewall enabled, any idea? |
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| 15:22.52 | ratrace | ice9: start by defining "cannot". hostname not known, no route, no ping, disconnects randomly, bad auth, .... |
| 15:23.19 | ice9 | ratrace, just say "Connection closed" |
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| 15:24.02 | ratrace | ice9: consult the server side logs when that happens (journalctl -eu ssh.service), or try running your ssh client with -v |
| 15:24.36 | ice9 | ratrace, ah, no systemd |
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| 15:26.52 | ratrace | ice9: sorry to hear that. |
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| 15:27.24 | ratrace | then you can try to consult /var/log/auth.log or whatever your syslog is configured to do with auth facility |
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| 15:43.15 | b1ack0p | hi |
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| 15:43.40 | b1ack0p | how can i zip files in multiple folders automatically by a script? |
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| 15:46.57 | hata | you can setup the automation with a cron job |
| 15:47.39 | b1ack0p | i wish i knew how to do that :p |
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| 15:47.50 | hata | run crontab -e |
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| 15:49.05 | ice999 | i can telnet to port 22 100% of the time but can only connect to ssh 1 time out of 10, any idea? when the trouble happens, there is nothing in the auth.log |
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| 15:50.50 | hata | whats the output if you do verbose for the ssh command |
| 15:51.06 | b1ack0p | hata: i am not advanced linux user.. |
| 15:51.13 | b1ack0p | i dont know how to do many things |
| 15:51.28 | b1ack0p | struggling on basic things still |
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| 15:51.37 | hata | the cron file should have examples and an explanation |
| 15:51.49 | hata | and you can $ man cron |
| 15:51.54 | dob1 | cronguru site |
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| 15:52.06 | hata | I was gonna suggest that too |
| 15:52.21 | hata | cronguru helps you with setting the timing |
| 15:52.23 | dob1 | there are so many examples there |
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| 16:07.31 | hata | ice999 what's the error when you try to ssh |
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| 16:09.43 | ratrace | ice999: _telnet_ to port 22? |
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| 16:10.26 | ratrace | ice999: and fix your connection I already told you what to do but you disappeared. maybe that lousy connection is what's wrong with your ssh... |
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| 16:23.48 | Akuw | hi, where there is a change in time, for example, UTC time will be -1 this night |
| 16:23.56 | Akuw | all is updated using NTP? |
| 16:24.23 | Akuw | this use tzdata and ntp right? |
| 16:24.30 | Akuw | but it is automated process? |
| 16:29.21 | Akuw | when that change i need to restart some service? or it is automated? |
| 16:29.39 | ratrace | Akuw: ntp is only adjusting UTC. local time is calculated from tz when presenting time to a process or user. |
| 16:30.15 | Akuw | then no need to do anything |
| 16:30.18 | Akuw | ? |
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| 16:30.29 | Akuw | update any dzdata package or something |
| 16:30.30 | Akuw | ? |
| 16:30.39 | ratrace | services don't need restart in this case. only if UTC changes drastically and the service can't tolerate that. Eg. MTAs. |
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| 16:30.54 | ratrace | Akuw: no need to do anything. Keep your system up to date as usual. |
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| 16:32.06 | Akuw | in insolated system that only have access to ntp is the same? |
| 16:32.33 | ratrace | Akuw: ntp has nothing to do with local time, tz, or DST changes. |
| 16:32.58 | Akuw | ii tzdata 2019a-1 all time zone and daylight-saving time data |
| 16:33.02 | ratrace | UTC does not change by DST. It's monotonic. _local_ time depends on TZ and changes in relation to UTC. |
| 16:33.31 | ratrace | ,v tzdata |
| 16:33.33 | judd | Package: tzdata on amd64 -- jessie: 2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2019c-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2019c-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2019c-0+deb9u1; buster: 2019c-0+deb10u1; buster-updates: 2019c-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 2019c-3; sid: 2019c-3 |
| 16:34.06 | ratrace | Akuw: that's not debian, is it? |
| 16:34.11 | Akuw | yes |
| 16:34.28 | Akuw | jessie 8.10 |
| 16:34.32 | ratrace | then you didn't run any updates at all, in long time? |
| 16:34.51 | Akuw | no, because it is insolated host |
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| 16:35.11 | Akuw | the last was 2019a-1 |
| 16:35.55 | chet | so at 23:10 I posted about a system lock up and then another user had the same issue at 00:00 |
| 16:36.12 | ratrace | then I don't know how your local TZ will behave tonight. DST transition chnages are reflected in updates |
| 16:36.16 | ratrace | Akuw: ^ |
| 16:36.37 | ratrace | Akuw: which TZ is that? |
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| 16:41.07 | ice999 | hata there is no error message on the client just "connection reset" or "connection closed" |
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| 16:41.43 | Akuw | America/Santiago |
| 16:41.54 | Akuw | ratrace: America/Santiago |
| 16:42.02 | hata | if you try ssh -v that might reveal more |
| 16:42.21 | hata | also I'd test your connection, try running mtr to the servers ip and see if there's packet loss |
| 16:43.36 | hata | or it might be -vv |
| 16:44.47 | ratrace | Akuw: chile? Okay, I don't see anything related to chile in 2019b and 2019c via tzdata changelog, so unless something's missing, it should be okay. |
| 16:45.23 | ratrace | ice999: for the THIRD time, use ssh -v on the client side, and consult server-side logs, /var/log/auth.log (or whatever your syslog is configured for auth facility). |
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| 16:46.07 | ice999 | ratrace, i get connection closed with -v, no other errors! and that's the server side https://bpaste.net/GSQQ |
| 16:46.13 | ratrace | Akuw: Brazil is permanently on standard time, canceled DST. Do you know if Chile did or will do the same? |
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| 16:46.57 | Akuw | ok |
| 16:46.58 | ratrace | ice999: ask in #ubuntu please |
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| 16:49.13 | Akuw | retrace: please send me link of changelog |
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| 16:50.06 | ratrace | Akuw: apt-get changelog tzdata from an up to date system |
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| 16:50.29 | ratrace | Akuw: also: https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2019c-0+deb10u1_changelog |
| 16:52.36 | Akuw | no changes |
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| 17:29.04 | brokencycle | Hi! I am having trouble with an old machine with a Xeon E5540 cpu. After some random time, |
| 17:29.28 | Akuw | retrace: how can i check the content of that tzdata package? it is binary? |
| 17:29.35 | brokencycle | the screen goes blank, and no keypress on the USB keyboard seems to re-activate it. |
| 17:29.50 | semeion | Hi guys, i am helping the fight against the COVID-19 using boinc: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ |
| 17:29.58 | brokencycle | However, the system seems to be working otherwise, as the disks are still flickering. |
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| 17:30.12 | ratrace | Akuw: it's a .deb containing files under /usr/share/zoneinfo . What are you looking for? |
| 17:30.42 | brokencycle | That would be a Buster install image, an USB keyboard, and a VGA monitor. Any ideas, please? |
| 17:30.43 | Akuw | just to see what is inside |
| 17:31.02 | ratrace | Akuw: the files under /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
| 17:31.06 | Akuw | data/usr/share/zoneinfo/Chile |
| 17:31.09 | joepublic | hi semeion, I am helping the fight against spam by telling you to go away |
| 17:31.51 | Akuw | "±8°^[Ã\@^\<91>^Z°^]¯>@^^pü°^_<8f> @ ^?^C0!o^B@"9û0#Nä@$^YÃ0%8^@Ã%ù¿0&òøÃ'á0(÷ÃÃ)" |
| 17:31.58 | Akuw | long line with that |
| 17:32.21 | Akuw | its a binary file |
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| 17:33.04 | ratrace | Akuw: check the tzfile(5) manpage, the tz files are binary, yes |
| 17:33.11 | Akuw | ok |
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| 17:41.50 | brokencycle | somehow, the machine was installed as i686, but I can't find the original install image |
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| 18:02.54 | lupulo | is there any channel about machine learning? |
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| 18:06.24 | annadane | lupulo, ##machinelearning-general? |
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| 18:06.36 | lupulo | annadane, ok i find it |
| 18:06.39 | annadane | also just plain ##machinelearning |
| 18:07.20 | ChmEarl | lupulo, #tensorflow |
| 18:07.21 | ratrace | also /msg alis help |
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| 18:07.58 | annadane | what's the oftc equivalent for alis, if anyone knows? |
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| 18:13.32 | ratrace | annadane: sorry, I don't know |
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| 18:35.53 | f8e4 | how to not keep my shell timeout? i adjusted: ClientAliveCountMax 1440 ClientAliveInterval 60 KeepAlive on, what ELSE? |
| 18:36.07 | f8e4 | of sshd_config, and restarted server |
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| 18:43.48 | kali_ | hello |
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| 18:54.23 | valdyn | f8e4: are you thinking that debian ssh times out by default and you need to change that? |
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| 18:55.46 | f8e4 | yes i adjusted the three vars on server, thats all i found in the tuts, what did i miss? |
| 18:56.03 | valdyn | f8e4: no, debian ssh has no timeout at all by default |
| 18:57.13 | valdyn | f8e4: see here: https://patrickmn.com/aside/how-to-keep-alive-ssh-sessions/ |
| 18:57.34 | valdyn | f8e4: i have not had that problem myself, ever |
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| 18:58.09 | lwp | f8e4, I also put in my client-side ssh_config these 2 items: "ServerAliveInterval 240" and "ServerAliveCountMax 45" |
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| 18:58.58 | f8e4 | sshd_config serverside should suffice, if the clientside debian goes sleep then there aint no responses anyway from the ssh client side thus no config except on server. |
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| 18:59.15 | f8e4 | my setting above is up to 1DAY, yet i get it after 1h approx |
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| 18:59.33 | CashDash123 | Is there a place I can offtopic chat |
| 18:59.40 | annadane | #debian-offtopic |
| 18:59.43 | annadane | !chat |
| 18:59.43 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
| 18:59.46 | CashDash123 | it thanks |
| 18:59.51 | CashDash123 | *thanks |
| 19:00.15 | f8e4 | any setting i missed beside suggested above? |
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| 19:00.34 | valdyn | f8e4: does your isp change the ip after 24 hours? |
| 19:01.12 | valdyn | f8e4: I dont think you missed anything |
| 19:01.53 | valdyn | f8e4: but maybe you can change the reconnect after 24 hours in your router |
| 19:02.09 | isnice | f8e4: it's possible that your firewall has a timeout period that's kicking in. I had an issue with a Sonicwall in one of our offices knocking all the devs connections off after an hour. Changing SSH timeout settings did nothing. I had to increase the timeout in the firewall. |
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| 19:02.53 | f8e4 | its debian10 client + serverside on digitalocean |
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| 19:04.32 | f8e4 | "You haven't applied any Firewalls |
| 19:05.09 | f8e4 | well will try to read more |
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| 19:12.21 | lwp | f8e4, apparently you know too much to investigate my advice, but I would just point out that ServerAliveInterval causes the client to send occasional null packets to the server, to keep the connection alive. but just ignore me ... |
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| 19:15.24 | f8e4 | lwp: thank you for you adivce, with the client asleep 6h noone to send |
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| 19:16.45 | lwp | I guess if the client goes to sleep and sends nothing not even keep alives, the server might feel justified to disconnect. |
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| 19:17.39 | f8e4 | lwp no since it will try Exactly the count * interval[s] =~ 24h |
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| 20:01.47 | BenLubar | is there an easy way to package things like prometheus-redis-exporter that don't currently have deb distributions for local use? |
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| 20:03.09 | sney | BenLubar: checkinstall can make some rudimentary debian packages, there's also stow if you just want to have it installed and contained but it doesn't necessarily need a package |
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| 20:03.37 | BenLubar | sney: thanks |
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| 20:12.14 | brokencycle | Does anyone know how I can figure out which disk behind a PERC controller is which disk inside the operating system? |
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| 20:12.41 | brokencycle | Is there any way to get at the disk label or RAID name, as seen by the controller? |
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| 20:14.50 | sney | brokencycle: there are linux utilities for probing those boards, it takes a lot of tinkering to get them to work on modern OSes but I've been able to do it every time I've tried |
| 20:15.09 | sponix | brokencycle: this command does things for me: sudo fdisk -l |
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| 20:15.53 | sney | sponix: fdisk only shows the block devices that the kernel can see, and a PERC is a hardware RAID controller that keeps those details to itself unless it's running in HBA mode. |
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| 20:17.23 | brokencycle | sponix: nope, this command lists all disks as identical, but doesn't tell me which one represents which RAID |
| 20:17.52 | brokencycle | But since the RAIDS are not all the same, I need to know which sd* is which RAID |
| 20:18.06 | sponix | sney: forgot that. Been a LONG time since I've worked with such. I just use ZFS for everything |
| 20:18.29 | brokencycle | I don't have that luxury |
| 20:18.54 | sney | brokencycle: the utility is called perccli and it looks like they actually have an updated one now, so that is your best bet: https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=f48c2 |
| 20:19.05 | sney | last time I did this I was fighting with a release from 2011 lol |
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| 20:21.26 | Allainn | Hi guys, i installed open-vm-tools(-desktop) Copying/Paste text work fine but not copy/paste (Paste is grayed out) of files from the host to the Debian VM (VmWare Workstation 15.2). Copy/Paste from Gnome to Win. X is also ok. It is Buster/64bits/Gnome installed from scratch,purged and reinstalled. Any idea ? I followed those instructions but no success https://github.com/vmware/open-vm-tools |
| 20:21.26 | Allainn | /issues/319#issuecomment-460459522 |
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| 20:23.06 | sney | Allainn: gnome uses wayland by default in buster and there are known copy/paste issues there |
| 20:23.46 | Allainn | Il need to wait then Sney. Thanks |
| 20:24.15 | sney | well, you can also use gnome in xorg, that will bypass the wayland issue |
| 20:24.53 | Allainn | How do i do that ? |
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| 20:25.26 | sney | there should be an option for it in the gdm3 login menu. |
| 20:26.10 | Allainn | I need to search for it. I must logout first ? |
| 20:26.55 | sney | yes. |
| 20:27.26 | lwp | it's a little gear thing by the login button, IIRC |
| 20:29.24 | Allainn | what do you mean lwp ? |
| 20:30.04 | soft_cement | it looks like a gear |
| 20:30.07 | sney | you know when there's a settings button and it looks like âï¸ |
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| 20:30.50 | Allainn | I am in Gnome on Xorg, Paste is grayed out I will reboot and mayb reinstall desktop's of vm toold? |
| 20:30.57 | Allainn | I found it |
| 20:31.10 | Allainn | *tool |
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| 20:34.06 | Akuw_ | to install a new tzdata package i need only use dpkg -i tzdata_2019a-1.all ? |
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| 20:35.56 | Akuw_ | there is a old version already installed |
| 20:36.17 | jhutchins | Akuw_: apt upgrade should pick up a new version. |
| 20:36.31 | Akuw_ | the host its no connected to insternet |
| 20:36.47 | jhutchins | Then yes, but .all looks unlikely. |
| 20:36.50 | Akuw_ | so, i have to copy package and use dpkg -i |
| 20:37.17 | jhutchins | Akuw_: Assuming it's a .deb package, yes. If it's just a file, copying it to the correct location should suffice. |
| 20:38.10 | brokencycle | sney: Thank you! I've made a mistake and just had someone pull the drives. Putting them back in results in "Foreign", now I can't access them. But I'll certainly look into this tool. |
| 20:38.19 | Akuw_ | its a debian package |
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| 20:39.47 | Akuw_ | jhutchins: then i can just use dpkg althought there is another old version right? |
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| 20:40.05 | Akuw_ | the last version will update old version right? |
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| 20:40.51 | jhutchins | Akuw_: You can only use dpkg to install a .deb package. Yes, if you do dpkg -i whatever.deb, it should update the package if it's newer. |
| 20:41.05 | jhutchins | ,v tzdata |
| 20:41.07 | judd | Package: tzdata on amd64 -- jessie: 2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2019c-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2019c-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2019c-0+deb9u1; buster: 2019c-0+deb10u1; buster-updates: 2019c-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 2019c-3; sid: 2019c-3 |
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| 20:47.50 | nvz | thats not accurate |
| 20:48.15 | nvz | dpkg can do things other than install and other things can install a package.. gdebi, apt, etc.. |
| 20:48.15 | dpkg | nvz: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 20:59.12 | wikan | hi :) |
| 20:59.23 | werona | HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská |
| 20:59.24 | werona | 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50, |
| 20:59.24 | werona | HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská |
| 20:59.25 | werona | 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50,HostivaÅská 482/50, |
| 20:59.36 | annadane | i concur |
| 20:59.50 | wikan | what was that O.o |
| 20:59.58 | annadane | no idea |
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| 21:00.25 | wikan | came here with a little not debian related question |
| 21:00.29 | sney | looks like it's a place in the czech republic |
| 21:01.01 | technobi | ,v fbterm |
| 21:01.02 | judd | Package: fbterm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7-2; bullseye: 1.7-4+b1; buster: 1.7-4+b1; sid: 1.7-4+b1; stretch: 1.7-4+b1 |
| 21:01.26 | wikan | probably there is no such channel |
| 21:02.22 | wikan | I just think about writing my own tiled window manager. And because there is no such think like "windows" so I got some idea |
| 21:02.41 | wikan | dunno if this idea is smart or not and this is what I wanna ask you |
| 21:03.53 | wikan | so, I think about Server doing all logic staff and application working as "root window" |
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| 21:04.28 | wikan | but application in my idea is Web Browser Engine |
| 21:05.09 | wikan | app embed web browser inside and runs maxinized |
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| 21:05.39 | wikan | website inside communicate with Server and draw frames and update bar |
| 21:05.41 | wikan | what do you think? |
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| 21:06.24 | wikan | it is very easy to modify desktop. Everybody can do that. Easy plugins development, easy theming... A lot of props |
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| 21:11.19 | technobi | I really like fluxbox, btw. |
| 21:11.19 | annadane | i feel like dwm does something similar |
| 21:11.22 | annadane | i'm not really sure |
| 21:11.30 | annadane | fluxbox annoys me because you can't move windows on the taskbar |
| 21:11.51 | wikan | here is my idea: https://postimg.cc/67t8DtZS |
| 21:11.59 | annadane | i guess one could run it with one where you can like tint2 or something |
| 21:12.16 | annadane | ooh pretty. |
| 21:12.19 | wikan | Server just puts windows into X1,Y1,X2,Y2 positions |
| 21:12.26 | wikan | Website draws rest |
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| 21:14.50 | lupulo | i have sent two email ITA, for orphaned packages... |
| 21:15.02 | lupulo | what i should read to package? |
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| 21:16.05 | annadane | hmm |
| 21:16.06 | annadane | !nmg |
| 21:16.06 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 21:17.48 | Gerowen | Anybody have suggestions of how to do an automatic shutdown? I have a Debian server and a Raspbian PiHole running on the same UPS. The UPS is connected to the Debian box and when the battery drops to a given percentage, it automatically shuts down. However, I can, as far as I know, only have one system connected to the UPS at a time. Is there some way I could have the Debian box "notify" the PiHole that it needs to perform a graceful shutdown? |
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| 21:18.57 | McMurdo | Howdy - I'm in XFCE how do I lock everything the computer while leaving everything running? |
| 21:19.13 | McMurdo | lock the computer* |
| 21:19.31 | sney | McMurdo: ctrl-alt-l does that in some DEs |
| 21:19.41 | lupulo | annadane, years ago, it exists a newbie tutor, doesn't it? |
| 21:19.42 | annadane | lupulo, may also want to ask in #debian-mentors on the OFTC network |
| 21:19.54 | trek00 | wikan: it remembers me gtk broadway html5 backend and vm via javascript like https://www.pcjs.org/software/pcx86/sys/windows/3.10/ |
| 21:19.59 | ratrace | Gerowen: ssh pihole "poweroff" |
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| 21:20.40 | ratrace | Gerowen: could execute that from scripted handlers of something like apcupsd |
| 21:21.57 | Gerowen | ratrace: I was thinking I could add something to the doshutdown file. I've already modified it to print status and alert messages into the in-game chat for my Minecraft server. |
| 21:22.14 | Gerowen | I've never scripted ssh logins though so I'll have to check that out, thanks for the suggestion, :-) |
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| 21:23.09 | McMurdo | sney: that worked, thanks! |
| 21:23.17 | sney | np |
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| 21:26.51 | annadane | lupulo, https://mentors.debian.net/ also |
| 21:26.57 | annadane | might be more clear and less verbose |
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| 21:27.24 | annadane | i guess you make a package and then get a sponsor to actually upload it |
| 21:27.30 | annadane | i don't know much about it, though |
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| 21:27.46 | sney | !nmg |
| 21:27.46 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:27.53 | annadane | the lintian package can also help with properly packaging something |
| 21:27.57 | annadane | i posted that already :P |
| 21:28.04 | sney | welp |
| 21:28.07 | sney | it's how I learned |
| 21:28.11 | sney | everything is there. |
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| 21:29.23 | annadane | yeah, like, do actually read :P |
| 21:29.32 | annadane | verbose =/= bad |
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| 21:32.58 | McMurdo | I want to securely delete a file (so it cannot be found again), any tips? |
| 21:33.15 | Allainn | Sney thank you for your help but no way for me with open vm tools and Buster |
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| 21:35.48 | trek00 | McMurdo: see shred |
| 21:35.49 | lupulo | annadane, Has sido expulsado de #debian-mentors por ChanServ (Invite only channel) |
| 21:36.12 | sney | lupulo: that means you didn't read that it's on irc.oftc.net which is a different irc network |
| 21:37.02 | lupulo | thanks sney , sure it is a small bastion |
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| 21:43.47 | McMurdo | trek00: thanks. Looks like you've got to be really careful putting in the right name or you could delete something you wanted to keep :) |
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| 21:44.36 | trek00 | McMurdo: yeah there is no recovery plan :) |
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| 21:47.40 | Gerowen | ratrace: Ah ok. I'd never messed with SSH keys. Now I know, I generate an SSH key with the machine I will be logging in with, then from that same machine, ssh-copy-id the generated key to the target server. |
| 21:50.12 | Gerowen | ratrace: One other question, are the apcupsd scripts executed by root? If that's the case I'd need to generate the SSH key for the root account, correct? |
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| 21:50.59 | Gerowen | ratrace: I guess I could have the apcupsd script run something like "sudo -u normaluser 'ssh pi@pihole reboot'". |
| 21:51.13 | Gerowen | Or shutdown -h now, but you get the idea. |
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| 21:53.08 | lupulo | sney, i have found the channel |
| 21:53.14 | lupulo | annadane, thanks |
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| 22:02.44 | ratrace | Gerowen: whichever works for you. I'd just use root, there's no increased security in this case with an unprivileged user |
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| 22:07.23 | Gerowen | ratrace: That's true. I just wasn't sure what "user" the doshutdown script was executed with; but since it's doing things like shutting down the machine, it makes sense it would be running as root. |
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| 22:40.50 | jhutchins | Gerowen: You can make the ssh connection as a regular user, become root on the remote machine, and execute the script. |
| 22:41.16 | jhutchins | Gerowen: If you want non-interactive, probably best to connect as root. |
| 22:41.58 | jhutchins | Gerowen: It is a pretty basic hardening strategy to not permit ssh connections as root though. Always more than one way to do it in linux |
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| 22:44.16 | isnice | You can also permit root logon based on an IP match |
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| 22:44.54 | oiaohm | jhutchins: there are quite a few solutions that can deal with the sudo switch up to root under ssh like ansible https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/user_guide/become.html |
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| 22:46.08 | oiaohm | Also you really don't want todo stuff like file transfers or the like as ssh as root bad bad things can happen due to root io priority |
| 22:46.42 | oiaohm | So it not just hardening why you should not ssh into a server directly as root. |
| 22:47.34 | ratrace | dear mother of penguin, y'all have increased the complexity of this simple task exponentially . It's LAN. it's just a single command to shutdown the hole from main computer that's on the UPS |
| 22:48.12 | lwp | Gerowen: there is also nut-monitor & nut-client for having one machine physically monitor the UPS, and notify others in its own non-root protocol when things happen |
| 22:48.32 | ratrace | there you go. |
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| 22:50.40 | ratrace | oiaohm: "... due to root io priority ..." WHAT! |
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| 23:26.53 | brokencycle | Hi! I have a qcow2 image, but which was copied from a running machine. The machine was not very busy, though. How can I read a file inside such an image? |
| 23:27.06 | roylaprattep | hi guys |
| 23:27.22 | roylaprattep | just wondering, what is the mail.cf.proto in debian 9 and 10? |
| 23:27.28 | roylaprattep | from postfix |
| 23:27.40 | roylaprattep | i always used main.cf |
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| 23:30.27 | tds | brokencycle: how did you copy it exactly? |
| 23:31.22 | tds | if it's from a snapshot, it should effectively be as if the guest just got powered off while running |
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| 23:32.38 | tds | and you probably want to look at libguestfs or similar for messing with the files, or have qemu expose it over nbd, then mount the filesystem from that |
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