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| 00:07.26 | Unit193 | I just kind of do a apt -t buster-backports full-upgrade to see what's available that I might care about. :3 |
| 00:08.32 | sponix | Unit193: you can do that ? |
| 00:08.46 | sponix | goes to add that to his notes |
| 00:08.58 | Unit193 | Obviously don't hit 'y' |
| 00:09.23 | sponix | Unit193: why not ? LOL |
| 00:09.53 | sponix | backports are all stable _enough_ riiiight ? |
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| 00:12.22 | annadane | 112 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:12.53 | annadane | for some reason 'less' is one of those packages |
| 00:12.59 | annadane | which seems extremely unnecessary |
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| 00:14.01 | annadane | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/less |
| 00:14.07 | annadane | sure. why not. |
| 00:14.16 | themill | aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports) |
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| 00:17.02 | sponix | annadane: "less" for some reason gets version bumped like all the time |
| 00:17.48 | Unit193 | As much as I prefer apt, there's certain things it really can't seem to do, like: aptitude --disable-columns --display-format %p search '?and(?not(?installed), ?or(?priority(required), ?priority(important), ?priority(standard)))' |
| 00:18.57 | themill | apt is growing these features slowly |
| 00:19.34 | annadane | bow down before your leader, aptitude |
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| 00:21.04 | ndegruchy | non-problem question: I came across $PROFILEHOME while fixing some issues and I am having a hard time finding out what it's for. Does anyone know what $PROFILEHOME is designed to be used by? It's empty right now and what I can find online has it set as blank, too. |
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| 00:41.29 | RoyK | themill: does anyone still use aptitude? ;) |
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| 00:43.05 | KatrinValerie | Hi, how do I figure out why my root fs is filled? |
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| 00:45.19 | RoyK | you start with waiting for an answer |
| 00:45.48 | somiaj | RoyK: aptitude is still used, though many might only use it for some of the more advanced features it is (such as searching/package matching) |
| 00:46.05 | dvs | pulls out dselect |
| 00:46.22 | somiaj | RoyK: I think there are people who still use dselect. |
| 00:48.29 | themill | dselect, cry |
| 00:48.29 | dselect | sulks quietly |
| 00:49.46 | sponix | somiaj: that still exist ? |
| 00:50.27 | sponix | wonder if it still winds you up in dep hell |
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| 00:54.36 | somiaj | sponix: it has been part of the dpkg source for a while. I belive a few years back (could be 5+ now) they thought about removing it from the source and users came out of the weeds, so the dpkg team is keeping it working and still including it. |
| 00:56.39 | sponix | somiaj: so when I run "dselect" it is supposed to do something for me ? |
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| 00:57.14 | somiaj | you have to install the package |
| 00:57.41 | somiaj | and my only experience with dselect was almost 20 years ago, and I coudln't figure out it worked then, and never tried again once I found apt |
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| 01:14.53 | roylaprattep | just installed spamassassin on debian 10, but it doesnt start automatically on boot, why? in debian 8 and 9 it was. |
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| 01:20.07 | roylaprattep | found it, updaterc.d spamassassin enable, since its not the spamassassin default config file that control it anymore |
| 01:20.29 | crestfallen | hi I'm getting the error "nc: port number invalid: filename.txt " with this in .bashrc (source .bashrc run) : function pb() { (nc termbin.com 9999 < $1) } |
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| 01:21.20 | crestfallen | I also tried with the alias with $ echo 'alias tb="nc termbin.com 9999"' >> .bashrc |
| 01:22.48 | wr | on debian xfce what network manager would be better to use? read here https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi that wicd |
| 01:23.34 | somiaj | wr: use what you like, wicd, network-mananager, are just two options. |
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| 01:24.11 | somiaj | crestfallen: probably an issue with the shell bash and wanting to put a redirect inside an alias (I don't know bash well enough to now how to fix this) |
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| 01:25.32 | somiaj | crestfallen: hmm, maybe not, since it is a function (not an alias) it should work, I would have to do some testing |
| 01:26.20 | crestfallen | something about whitespace and return characters, but I tried to append '\n' for unix like this somiaj : function pb() { (nc termbin.com 9999 < $1\n) } |
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| 01:26.58 | crestfallen | I had this working once before in debian |
| 01:27.38 | somiaj | there is #bash, maybe someone there can help |
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| 01:29.42 | wr | somiaj, have a pci wifi card 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 14) that connects to a Arris tg2492NO router, i noticed on NetworkManager i get some issues on the Debian, my internet connection doesn't work ok, no webpage resolution, i tested on a cisco wusb 600N and i have everything ok, so i'm wondering what network manager should i use, in the past i had wicd... |
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| 01:29.56 | crestfallen | thanks somiaj |
| 01:30.09 | wr | somiaj, my asus wifi card is bit old like more than 10 years old |
| 01:30.37 | somiaj | wr: do you have the firmware for the wifi card installed? |
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| 01:31.47 | wr | somiaj, yes everything worked ok previously but now i switched my router with the ISP i noticed something conflicts, so am troubleshooting |
| 01:32.13 | wr | somiaj, maybe i need to update firmware |
| 01:32.45 | wr | i think i need firmware for ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Asus) |
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| 01:35.04 | wr | somiaj, brb i have to disconect one card and plug other, so i will drop for a sec |
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| 01:40.06 | sney | somiaj: in case they come back - the marvell 88e8001 is supported by the 'skge' driver which doesn't require firmware, and it's not a wifi controller anyway. |
| 01:40.23 | sney | I wonder what their actual wifi is. |
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| 01:42.47 | sney | wr: the marvell 88e8001 is supported by the 'skge' driver which doesn't require firmware, and it's not a wifi controller anyway. |
| 01:42.51 | sney | your wifi is something else |
| 01:43.16 | wr | sney, i've seen on this link https://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI yes |
| 01:44.01 | wr | sney, my card is wifi it has sma to put a small antenna |
| 01:44.21 | sney | it might be a combo device, gigabit ethernet is not wifi |
| 01:45.01 | wr | sney, it comes on https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q3_DeluxeWiFiAP_n/ |
| 01:45.03 | sney | anyway, network manager applications don't affect hardware performance |
| 01:45.46 | wr | sney, your right, but i was just testing everything i can |
| 01:45.48 | sney | if you 'lspci -nn' and paste to https://paste.debian.net/ we will be able to determine your wifi device |
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| 01:46.25 | lwp | if it's an old card, maybe a BNC connector is for thin-net ? |
| 01:46.40 | sney | it's not that old, and the spec sheet says 802.11n |
| 01:46.42 | wr | sney, https://paste.debian.net/1138817/ |
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| 01:48.04 | wr | somiaj, sney it's one that comes with MB https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q3_DeluxeWiFiAP_n/ |
| 01:48.10 | sney | oh that's interesting, it's not pci |
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| 01:49.41 | wr | sney, it's a small card, tomorrow on daylight i gotta open my pc |
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| 01:49.55 | sney | I'm checking something, hang on |
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| 01:50.54 | wr | sney, let me say this the card works ok on my previous router, just on this new one Arris tg2492NO router fails on me and i get can't networking right |
| 01:51.43 | wr | what i mean is, i installed firmware and was ok previously, on this new router wifi doesn't work ok |
| 01:52.05 | sney | aha it is a Ralink RT2870 |
| 01:52.10 | wr | yes |
| 01:52.15 | sney | it's plugged into usb on your motherboard |
| 01:52.21 | wr | sorry, i was forgeting, it is that one |
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| 01:53.29 | wr | sney, any idea why the Ralink RT2870 is not ok with the Arris tg2492NO wifi? |
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| 01:54.39 | wr | by the way, the router is brand new from the ISP |
| 01:54.49 | sney | yeah, it's an isp router. those are usually not good |
| 01:55.41 | wr | i was in doubt if i change something on my debian xfce or is a #wireless |
| 01:56.08 | sney | if the problem just started when you got this new router, it's much more likely to be a router issue |
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| 01:57.53 | sney | since your antennas are separate on the ralink, try moving them around, point them in the same direction as the router, etc |
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| 01:59.06 | wr | sney, what type issue you think it is? |
| 01:59.46 | sney | low quality router + not optimal antenna calibration |
| 01:59.54 | sney | hardware, anyway |
| 02:01.31 | lwp | any wifi configuration or settings you can check or change, in the new router ? |
| 02:01.47 | wr | sney, on top i have a alfa antenna like the one here https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41HiwhwmbWL._AC_.jpg and am 2meters away from the router |
| 02:01.59 | wr | behind one wall |
| 02:02.13 | sney | it can help if the antenna is oriented in the same direction as the AP antenna |
| 02:02.21 | sney | so like they are both | | or they are both / / etc |
| 02:03.40 | wr | sney, i do have a 75 Ohm yagi i could test, do you think is the hardware antenna? when i use a Usb cisco wifi works ok |
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| 02:04.26 | sney | I think it is a radio problem between the nic and the router. what exact component I don't know. but the antenna is something you can adjust, so I think you should try it. |
| 02:04.53 | sney | open up wicd or n-m or whatever and adjust the antenna like an old TV and see if the signal strength etc changes |
| 02:05.02 | wr | sney, by the way if i use any firmware on debian that one would be firmware-ralink right? |
| 02:05.06 | sney | yes |
| 02:05.22 | wr | let me test all that |
| 02:05.35 | wr | will take some minutes |
| 02:06.27 | wr | sney, by the way what network manager would you advise to use on debian xfce? |
| 02:06.37 | sney | whatever is the default |
| 02:07.37 | wr | sney, somiaj i noticed a thing now, i didn't have the firmware-ralink installed, so... if it is that, grrrrr |
| 02:07.58 | wr | brb |
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| 02:14.05 | wr | sney, somiaj so far i think i found what i was missing, the ralink-firmware, on my previous router without the firmware everything worked ok, wireless was not top, but i never installed it, i forgot to install it, so far nothing is dropping now and working, damn.. |
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| 02:17.29 | sney | usually when firmware is not installed the nic doesn't work at all, I hate it when it just makes the device half-broken |
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| 02:21.21 | wr | sney, since my old router the traffic was ok, i didn't realize it, just now when i had problem on this new one, when i install debian on my notes i have the firmware's i put |
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| 02:22.37 | wr | sney, but by curiosity what does the firmware have that makes the wifi route well? |
| 02:22.48 | sney | only ralink knows that for sure |
| 02:22.56 | wr | lol i bet |
| 02:23.07 | wr | i will have to check the code |
| 02:23.31 | sney | firmware is binary, you can't. that's the problem. it's the secret part of the driver |
| 02:23.39 | wr | hmmm |
| 02:24.01 | wr | i forgot that part too, yes binary.... |
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| 02:24.52 | wr | would be a lot of work, but i would like too see what makes it not drop |
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| 02:25.32 | sney | then you could reverse engineer a totally free driver and contribute it to the linux kernel |
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| 02:27.39 | wr | sney, now this works, but my pings to my ISP DNS server is lot higher |
| 02:28.11 | wr | ah nevermind.... |
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| 02:28.18 | wr | i changed VPN too... |
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| 02:30.07 | wr | sney, somiaj i do have one more doubt on what usb hardware device wifi card would be best to use on debian, i'm thinking on getting something AC because this one is just G |
| 02:31.15 | sney | I have this: https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Networking/PCE-AC55BT/ it's pci though |
| 02:32.57 | wr | i was looking for a usb, my MB is old i trust more on those, and pci is more expensive sometimes |
| 02:35.09 | sney | with usb 2.0 there's a bandwidth bottleneck |
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| 02:37.43 | wr | yes... |
| 02:38.20 | wr | but price is my main concern |
| 02:39.36 | sney | I got that little pci-e for pretty cheap as I recall. 802.11ac will have a premium still since it's the newest standard, but I only paid $30 anyway |
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| 02:40.21 | sney | the actual controller is intel iwlwifi too so it's good quality |
| 02:40.47 | wr | sney, pci is way better, but since my MB is old, i'm in doubt what i get on market cheap |
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| 02:42.45 | sney | my motherboard is old too. I never get rid of computers unless they're broken. I don't remember the mb model but the cpu is from 2012 |
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| 02:44.59 | sney | asus M5A97, introduced 2013 :P |
| 02:45.29 | sney | pci is more reliable even in a pc around a decade old, is all. |
| 02:46.35 | wr | yes i agree |
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| 02:48.14 | koppe | Bit OT, but I'm running Debian hurd (sid), and want to switch from DVD-based repository to online net-based repository... What is the correct line to put in /etc/apt/sources ? (I'm worried about getting the GNU/Linux rather than GNU/Hurd repository...) |
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| 02:50.33 | somiaj | wr: firmware often has stuff that needs to be there for legal reasons, this allws you to control the devices power output of the wireless wave and the frequencies. It could be it was stuck in a low power setting and without the firmware it couldnt' change it. |
| 02:50.57 | somiaj | wr: The legal reasons (At least in the US, each country is different) is the FCC and what wireless signals you are legally allowed to produce. |
| 02:51.25 | somiaj | this is why most wifi has firmware, it gives a way for companies to ensure they have control over the wireless output |
| 02:51.34 | wr | somiaj, i can't measure it now, but maybe i will later... |
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| 02:52.38 | somiaj | another issue, is maybe without firmware you are using the firmware on the chip, but with firmware you have all the updates, so maybe there just have been bugs/updates to the firmware on the old card, and you need the firmware (in the old days you use to have to flash the device to update firmware) |
| 02:52.52 | tarkin | Nicer info tarkin |
| 02:52.54 | somiaj | though I'm gladd it was just a firmware issue, I'm just giving some possibilities as to why it worked without it |
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| 02:53.13 | somiaj | I mean "worked" in a somewhat broken state. |
| 02:53.16 | wr | sney, somiaj by the way but the failure on wifi was more when i used the VPN, without it, it worked a bit... |
| 02:53.47 | sney | mroe network overhead with a vpn |
| 02:54.00 | wr | yes |
| 02:56.13 | wr | sney, if i move to the AC Asus card and my conection increases on speed will the VPN speed increase too a lot? |
| 02:57.00 | sney | probably, but there are a lot of factors |
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| 02:57.19 | afidegnum | i'm m having an issue, on Exim4, i have generated my TLS certiicates but i m still facing error of (cert/key setup: cert=/etc/exim4/tls/mail.crt key=/etc/exim4/tls/mail.key): Error while reading file. |
| 02:57.24 | afidegnum | what am i missing ? |
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| 02:58.22 | sney | afidegnum: are the files readable by the mailserver process? |
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| 02:59.25 | afidegnum | sney: i even changed the certificates to 775 |
| 02:59.42 | sney | that's probably excessive. |
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| 03:00.12 | afidegnum | yes, i wanted to get rid of the error and return to the proper permission |
| 03:00.15 | afidegnum | but it didn't work |
| 03:00.18 | sney | I don't use exim4 but there should be a way to get a higher verbosity level from the logs, find out what that is and maybe it'll give you a more detailed error |
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| 03:01.26 | afidegnum | so far it's the error reading cert keys i m facing, |
| 03:01.45 | afidegnum | i don't know if there could be further verbosity |
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| 03:02.37 | sney | right, but you have verified that the daemon should be able to read the files. therefore the error is misleading, and something else is happening, and you need to find out what |
| 03:03.02 | afidegnum | how do i find out from the daemon? |
| 03:03.16 | sney | [21:00:17] <sney> I don't use exim4 but there should be a way to get a higher verbosity level from the logs |
| 03:03.24 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 03:18.55 | nouveau | Is firewalld going to be fixed in Debian 10 or wait until next release? |
| 03:19.21 | annadane | 'fixed' how? |
| 03:19.35 | annadane | as in, what is broken? |
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| 03:20.41 | nouveau | On a fresh install of debian, I install firewalld and add a service like http, upon reloading I get this error: https://pastebin.com/h3njfTaf |
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| 03:21.16 | nouveau | Adding any port or service causes this error and has been a problem since debian 10 released |
| 03:21.23 | sney | ,v firewalld |
| 03:21.24 | judd | Package: firewalld on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.12-1; stretch: 0.4.4.2-1; buster: 0.6.3-5; buster-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.8.1-1; sid: 0.8.2-1 |
| 03:21.57 | dvs | what a diff! |
| 03:22.06 | annadane | as noted, you have a newer version available in backports |
| 03:22.18 | nouveau | From what little I've found, it would seem iptables support was dropped for nftables but this version of firewalld still uses iptables? |
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| 03:22.42 | nouveau | I'll try the backport |
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| 03:23.10 | annadane | loves backports, all hail backports |
| 03:23.21 | sney | there's nothing at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=firewalld about your particular issue so you may want to report it as well |
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| 03:24.36 | nouveau | I think this talks about the problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913662 |
| 03:24.37 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/913662 in firewalld (open): «Switch default backend to nftables»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-11-13; last modified: 2018-11-13. |
| 03:25.28 | sney | it talks about the nftables move but there's no mention of the error you saw |
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| 03:31.29 | sponix2ipfw | So all the cool kids are using nftables now? |
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| 03:34.33 | annadane | yep |
| 03:34.41 | annadane | it's basically recommended over iptables AFAIK |
| 03:34.56 | dvs | sighs for "not being cool" |
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| 03:38.21 | annadane | syntax is apparently clearer |
| 03:39.54 | nouveau | Ok.. so the default in firewalld.conf is iptables backend but that's all broken with this version, nftables isn't installed on the system by default either. Installing nftables and enable/start then setting firewalld backend to nftables fixes the problem. |
| 03:41.36 | nouveau | Kind of confusing because the debian wiki for nftables says "Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default." yet it wasn't even installed. Not only that, but if nftables is going to be the default, why have firewalld install and try to use iptables? |
| 03:42.43 | annadane | wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster does not say it uses nftables by default |
| 03:43.08 | annadane | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#nftables |
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| 03:44.41 | nouveau | https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
| 03:44.50 | nouveau | "NOTE: Debian Buster uses the nftables framework by default." |
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| 03:45.03 | annadane | yeah, and the release notes link i gave seems to corrborate that |
| 03:45.28 | annadane | but hmm that wording could be more clear |
| 03:45.40 | annadane | Starting with iptables v1.8.2 the binary package includes iptables-nft and iptables-legacy |
| 03:45.49 | nouveau | So it's just misinformation all over the place and the package is still broken with its default settings. |
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| 03:48.09 | nouveau | I'm not sure if will even work with iptables. I'll try the backport but maybe firewalld (the one in the buster repo) should have nftables as a dependency and the config changed to reflect that? I know it's not a security update but maybe it can make a point release? |
| 03:48.23 | annadane | so as far as i can tell... the wiki is right, it's just the package that's broken? |
| 03:48.37 | annadane | yeah, that's what i was thinking, fixed in future point release |
| 03:48.49 | annadane | can always file a bug |
| 03:48.57 | nouveau | I have no idea how to do that. |
| 03:49.33 | annadane | !reportbug |
| 03:49.33 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting, or <reportbug MTA> |
| 03:49.45 | annadane | though you don't have to use that |
| 03:49.58 | annadane | oh, that's the one i was looking for apparently |
| 03:50.00 | annadane | !report-bugs |
| 03:50.00 | dpkg | [report-bugs] See "How to Report Bugs Effectively" at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html for better results. |
| 03:50.05 | annadane | no, apparently not |
| 03:50.18 | annadane | !bts |
| 03:50.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 03:50.45 | nouveau | Alright, I'll try the backport version with iptables first because maybe it's just this version and the backport could be moved into the buster repo instead on a point release? I'm not sure how that works tho. |
| 03:50.51 | annadane | is there not a simpler factoid for how to send bug reports via email... |
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| 03:51.36 | annadane | it's getting late and consequently i'm starting to make tired mistakes in irc |
| 03:51.38 | annadane | sorry |
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| 03:54.02 | annadane | so the bug-reporting factoid is "see file-bug", file-bug is "see reportbug" and reportbug mostly mentions just reportbug and not the alternative way how to send bug reports... lovely |
| 03:54.08 | annadane | i'll add one when i'm less tired |
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| 04:01.05 | wr | sney, i think i was wrong, still have slowness or drops... more when use VPN.. i think this Arris is crap |
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| 04:02.59 | awal1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.08 | nouveau | Looks like the version of firewalld in backports is also broken for iptables :( |
| 04:03.45 | wr | i tried too the cisco usb wusb600n and i could not connect via wifi, it uses too a ralink |
| 04:03.48 | awal1 | i no remember the name of the report bug gtk frontend |
| 04:03.57 | annadane | you don't need gmail for reportbug necessarily, but yeah i just mentioned alternatives because not everyone is a fan of reportbug |
| 04:04.21 | nouveau | I'm on command line anyways, so I'll try reportbug |
| 04:06.04 | somiaj | reportbug is usually best, you can output the results to a .tex file and just copy/paste that into any email clinet to send |
| 04:06.11 | somiaj | arg .txt file |
| 04:06.17 | awal1 | ,v reportbug-gtk |
| 04:06.18 | judd | Package: reportbug-gtk on amd64 -- buster: 7.5.3~deb10u1; bullseye: 7.6.0; sid: 7.6.0 |
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| 04:09.27 | awal1 | i don't know about other package to report bugs |
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| 04:10.06 | annadane | the alternative is to send emails |
| 04:10.16 | annadane | it's not about "another package" |
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| 04:12.22 | awal1 | yeh that is obvious but sending a mail will not really be a full report as desired "officially" by debian, because you need to join list of deps, severity and so. |
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| 04:13.23 | awal1 | well, reportbug report is structured really fine |
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| 04:27.37 | GarySmith2222 | hello everyone :) |
| 04:27.41 | nouveau | Ok, I'm going down the rabbit hole now. |
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| 04:27.47 | nouveau | So it's not firewalld's fault. |
| 04:27.57 | nouveau | It's iptables fault and their bug. |
| 04:28.24 | somiaj | is it iptables, or an issue with iptables is now actually using nftables? |
| 04:28.38 | somiaj | There is some info about this in the buster release notes |
| 04:28.55 | nouveau | Here is what I found: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925343 |
| 04:28.56 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/925343 in iptables (open, patch, upstream, fixed-upstream): «ip6tables-restore fails when one of the rules has -4 option in it»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-03-23; last modified: 2019-12-07. |
| 04:29.16 | nouveau | This bug talks about mostly the same problem and there is a patch here: https://git.netfilter.org/iptables/commit/?id=d76475ce1c30f6c3e3f3ca85964bdfc4425acb81 |
| 04:29.33 | nouveau | I backported iptables, installed firewalld and it works now with iptables backend |
| 04:29.40 | GarySmith2222 | I am learning Chinese rencently |
| 04:29.43 | GarySmith2222 | ä½ å¥½ |
| 04:29.46 | nouveau | So the patch hasn't made it to buster yet, it's sitting in backports |
| 04:30.09 | somiaj | GarySmith2222: this is a debian support channel, so not a place to speak in chinese, possible find another channel |
| 04:30.25 | GarySmith2222 | I know |
| 04:30.34 | somiaj | nouveau: buster is frozen, depending on the severity of the issue, it might not make it into buster (sometimes stuff like this is fixed in point release, depends on severity) |
| 04:30.48 | somiaj | severity normal -- very unlikely it will be fixed in buster |
| 04:30.59 | nouveau | Yea, but at least now I know why and how to fix it. |
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| 04:33.05 | GarySmith2222 | I just god into this software and I am not familiar with it |
| 04:33.11 | GarySmith2222 | got |
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| 04:33.37 | somiaj | GarySmith2222: welcome to freenode, you might find #freenode a useful channel to help learn about this network. |
| 04:33.49 | GarySmith2222 | If I put something wrong,please forgive me |
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| 04:33.59 | GarySmith2222 | Thank you everybody |
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| 04:34.01 | somiaj | GarySmith2222: if you just want to chat with people you can /j ##cat |
| 04:34.04 | somiaj | GarySmith2222: /j ##Chat |
| 04:34.12 | GarySmith2222 | :) |
| 04:34.13 | somiaj | arg, /j ##chat -- to many fails |
| 04:34.34 | somiaj | you might be able to find a channel in which people speak chineese and english if you want to practice, but here we only talk about debian and in english. |
| 04:34.40 | GarySmith2222 | Thank you |
| 04:34.56 | annadane | !tea somiaj |
| 04:34.56 | dpkg | hands somiaj a nice FLAMING!!!! mug of tea with honey and lemon. |
| 04:35.02 | annadane | calm down, dpkg. |
| 04:35.25 | BazookaTooth | settle down beavis |
| 04:35.48 | mbnt | How do I safely install libfaudio0 ? |
| 04:36.16 | annadane | ,v libfaudio0 |
| 04:36.18 | judd | Package: libfaudio0 on amd64 -- bullseye: 20.04-2; sid: 20.04-2 |
| 04:36.28 | annadane | ,checkbackport libfaudio0 |
| 04:36.29 | judd | Backporting package libfaudio0 in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 04:36.59 | mbnt | I need it for Wine https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 04:37.03 | annadane | i'm here to run out of ideas and chew gum, and i'm all out of gum. |
| 04:37.24 | annadane | anyone else know? =P |
| 04:37.51 | jm_ | I think debhelper-compat = 12 can be satisfied by pulling that from backports |
| 04:38.33 | annadane | ,v debhelper-compat |
| 04:38.34 | judd | No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 04:38.53 | annadane | ,v debhelper |
| 04:38.54 | somiaj | mbnt: winehq usually makes nice packages that work with buster, are you sure you are using the buster packages? |
| 04:38.55 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.10; sid: 12.10 |
| 04:39.09 | annadane | oh, okay. |
| 04:39.14 | somiaj | mbnt: you can also install wine from debian repos, but if you really need a newer ersion of wine that has to have this lib, you'll have to backport it. |
| 04:39.47 | mbnt | somiaj, I have not done anything yet. Last I tried, it broke my Debian. Now I am treading very carefully. I would rather not have Wine if it will break my system. |
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| 04:40.02 | somiaj | annadane: debhelper is for building stuff, it is often in backports for the enwer build standards of packages in testing (one can also often just edit the build scripts too) |
| 04:40.14 | somiaj | ,v wine |
| 04:40.15 | judd | Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; bullseye: 5.0-3; sid: 5.0-3 |
| 04:40.19 | somiaj | ,v wine-development |
| 04:40.20 | judd | Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; stretch: 2.0-3; buster: 4.2-4; bullseye: 5.4-1; sid: 5.4-1; sid: 5.5-1; sid: 5.5-3 |
| 04:40.25 | mbnt | apparently, I must get it from here: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Debian_10/ |
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| 04:40.47 | annadane | it would help if we know which version of wine you're trying to install |
| 04:40.48 | somiaj | mbnt: would wine 4.0 or wine 4.2 suite your needs, just install fromd ebian repos (this will probably work unless you want to run bleeding edge software) |
| 04:40.48 | mbnt | But there is a lot of stuff there and am not sure which file I need. |
| 04:41.07 | somiaj | just install either wine or wine-development using apt from debian's repos |
| 04:41.09 | annadane | i hope wine does get backported Soon(TM), though. |
| 04:41.26 | mbnt | somiaj, I want wine stable, and am advised Wine HQ is the best place for this. |
| 04:43.28 | somiaj | mbnt: it really depends on what software you need to run. I would install 'wine' and see if version 4.0 works for the sfotware you need. |
| 04:43.42 | somiaj | annadane: it most likely won't be, winehq usually provides good enough packages if you need newer wine. |
| 04:44.50 | mbnt | So this libfaudio0 from the repo https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Debian_10/ would be an ill-advised install? |
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| 04:45.23 | somiaj | I don't know what this repo is and where their packages are |
| 04:45.34 | somiaj | why not just install wine form the debian repo for buster, it wont' need this lib |
| 04:45.54 | annadane | it did get backported in stretch; the one in stretch was like 1.7 or something and stretch-backports at the end of the lifecycle was 4, like buster |
| 04:46.13 | mbnt | Because I have tried previously and the default repo does not fulfill the needs of the program. |
| 04:46.25 | mbnt | The needs of the program are many. |
| 04:46.56 | mbnt | So if you think this repo (as indicated in the link) is ill advised, I will simply do without. |
| 04:47.01 | annadane | mbnt, if there aren't official instructions on the page i would contact the winehq people |
| 04:47.10 | annadane | ask them what to do |
| 04:47.20 | annadane | i believe there's a wine channel on freenode actually, one sec |
| 04:47.37 | annadane | #winehq |
| 04:47.47 | mbnt | "The WineHQ packages for Debian 10 and later require libfaudio0 as a dependency. Since the distro does not provide it for Debian 10, users of that version can download libfaudio0 packages from the OBS. " |
| 04:48.04 | annadane | then do so. |
| 04:48.09 | mbnt | That is the position of WineHQ |
| 04:48.18 | annadane | shouldn't break anything |
| 04:48.32 | mbnt | annadane, My original question was, 'yes, but how' |
| 04:48.37 | mbnt | How do I safely install libfaudio0 ? |
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| 04:48.57 | annadane | seems to be a tarball, lemme see the structure of it |
| 04:49.45 | annadane | are you on amd64? dpkg --print-architecture |
| 04:49.53 | mbnt | yes, I am AMD64 |
| 04:50.19 | annadane | i think you just download this https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Debian_10/amd64/libfaudio0_20.01-0~buster_amd64.deb and then install it with dpkg -i |
| 04:50.51 | annadane | (ignore my tar comment, i was reading the wrong directory) |
| 04:51.09 | mbnt | annadane, ahh, thanks. Then the rest of the WINE install should go smoothly. |
| 04:51.23 | annadane | or well, maybe install via apt instead, which will take care of any dependencies... |
| 04:51.38 | annadane | apt allows you to install a .deb, i believe |
| 04:51.40 | mbnt | annadane, It is not in the official debain repo. |
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| 04:51.56 | mbnt | Or you mean, install the .deb via apt |
| 04:51.59 | annadane | yep |
| 04:52.03 | mbnt | okay. |
| 04:52.32 | somiaj | why are we supporting some third party repo, again, have you tried the wine package debian provides, it will probably suit your need and not need third party software. |
| 04:52.37 | annadane | i... forget the syntax of how you do that but it may be as simple as apt install /home/mbnt/libfaudio0.deb |
| 04:53.01 | annadane | because they said their program doesn't work with it, and winehq's official instructions are to use suse's OBS |
| 04:53.06 | annadane | i see no issue |
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| 04:54.24 | somiaj | is it because the software needs a newer version of wine (note 4.2 is availble via wine-development) or that wine needs to be configured for that software? |
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| 04:54.38 | somiaj | often times you need to adjust wines configuration to get software to run. |
| 04:54.44 | mbnt | somiaj, Wine needs that software. |
| 04:55.06 | somiaj | mbnt: newer version of wine need that libary, the version of wine in debian doesn't |
| 04:55.29 | mbnt | somiaj, I am looking for wine stable from wine hq |
| 04:56.10 | annadane | believe me, i'm as anti-flippantly-recommend-any-old-3rd-party-repo as anyone else but i see no issue here, i assume mbnt has done due diligence that they do indeed want a newer version of wine than exists in debian |
| 04:56.41 | annadane | if winehq officially recommends it, it can't be bad |
| 04:56.55 | annadane | especially considering winehq builds their own packages specifically for debian |
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| 05:02.19 | mbnt | The best way to install appears to be right clicking the file and installing via Discover. |
| 05:02.29 | annadane | maybe. i don't use discover |
| 05:02.39 | mbnt | apt just complains. |
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| 05:04.04 | annadane | about? |
| 05:04.09 | annadane | !paste |
| 05:04.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 05:04.32 | annadane | perhaps that's where there's a lack of a backport, they have to backport libfaudio first |
| 05:04.38 | annadane | why there's* |
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| 05:06.22 | annadane | ,v libfaudio0 |
| 05:06.23 | judd | Package: libfaudio0 on amd64 -- bullseye: 20.04-2; sid: 20.04-2 |
| 05:06.34 | pingfloyd | mbnt: you can us apt-get install -f to install the needed dependency of a local package that you installed via dpkg or use gdebi to install the local package, which will also handle downloading and installing needed dependency pkgs. |
| 05:06.58 | annadane | ah. TIL. |
| 05:07.34 | annadane | pingfloyd, is apt install -f only for something installed directly via dpkg? |
| 05:07.46 | pingfloyd | annadane: it's ran without any package arg |
| 05:07.59 | annadane | right |
| 05:08.00 | pingfloyd | annadane: it will install any dependencies missing from the system |
| 05:08.05 | annadane | right |
| 05:08.41 | pingfloyd | so if you install some pkg via dpkg -i and see dependency warnings, you run that. |
| 05:09.23 | annadane | yeah, good way to step around stuff |
| 05:09.32 | annadane | i actually didn't know that, very useful |
| 05:10.07 | pingfloyd | you could just run gdebi pkg.deb and that's all handled automatically |
| 05:10.43 | annadane | try that then, mbnt |
| 05:11.04 | mbnt | annadane, I already used discover. |
| 05:11.11 | annadane | it works? |
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| 05:12.12 | mbnt | annadane, Now I am trying to uninstall via discover so I can install via the other thing. |
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| 05:13.05 | annadane | i've never used discover so i have no idea how any of it works |
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| 05:15.11 | mbnt | pingfloyd, https://pastebin.com/b8UaMEnb |
| 05:16.39 | trysten | i know this is kind of off topic, but does anyone know of a good digramming software? i'm thinking i'd input some code and get graphic or ascii diagrams |
| 05:18.01 | mbnt | trysten, is that not latex? |
| 05:18.18 | mbnt | or lautec |
| 05:19.30 | somiaj | yea latex can draw nice graphs, xfig is old, but can still do simple detailed figures. |
| 05:19.46 | somiaj | Might depend on what kinda of diagrams. |
| 05:23.19 | pingfloyd | mbnt: so you'll have download and install those required pkgs manually, or add repo that has them |
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| 05:24.32 | mbnt | pingfloyd, Gdebi says "This package provides the library itself." |
| 05:24.58 | mbnt | pingfloyd, But Discover continues to succeed where command line does not. |
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| 05:26.01 | mbnt | But gdebi does provide good information about the library. |
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| 06:18.20 | GarySmith2222 | hello everyone |
| 06:18.31 | GarySmith2222 | I am using linux deploy |
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| 06:21.59 | cornel | hello, how do i know which user upgraded git on a system? |
| 06:25.23 | somiaj | cornel: care to calrify, you talking about upgrading the git package from debian? Installing a newer version of git, or updating a git repo? |
| 06:26.12 | somiaj | apt has a log of what it has done, so you can see the time a package was installed/upgraded. Usually have to be root to do this, so you could match it with sudo authentications |
| 06:27.36 | cornel | somiaj, it;s upgrading the package i'm interested in |
| 06:28.26 | somiaj | well you can look at the logs in /var/log to see when the package was upgraded. Do you have multiple users who have root access, do they get it via sudo, all share the root password, or do you have osme other way non-root users can upgrade packages? |
| 06:28.39 | cornel | they get it via sudo |
| 06:29.56 | somiaj | so yea, you could see the apt logs for when it was upgraded, then compare this to sudo auth logs |
| 06:29.56 | GarySmith2222 | I have a question |
| 06:30.00 | watom | if they used sudo to run apt you can check logs |
| 06:30.11 | watom | if they are allowed to change user to root you will never know |
| 06:30.24 | GarySmith2222 | How to install mDNS on the system |
| 06:30.26 | GarySmith2222 | :) |
| 06:30.27 | cornel | somiaj, watom, thank you |
| 06:31.21 | cornel | apt, apt-get, aptitude, all share same logs? |
| 06:31.32 | GarySmith2222 | I want to use pidgin |
| 06:31.42 | GarySmith2222 | :) |
| 06:31.47 | somiaj | cornel: aptitude I think uses a different log |
| 06:31.48 | GarySmith2222 | who can help me? |
| 06:32.02 | somiaj | cornel: but these should both be in /var/log -- dpkg also has a log too |
| 06:33.30 | GarySmith2222 | ???????????? |
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| 06:58.37 | ratrace | GarySmith2222: you need `avahi` package |
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| 07:00.07 | ratrace | actually, avahi-daemon ... |
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| 08:25.04 | CoT2Porc | hi |
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| 08:29.31 | jelly | annadane, hey, your friend is here again. Was here. |
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| 08:33.12 | terminalplasma | Can somebody explain to me why after a fresh plasma install im greeted by the terminal and how to actually have some gui? |
| 08:33.30 | jm_ | how did you install it? |
| 08:33.58 | terminalplasma | firmware netinstall |
| 08:34.14 | jm_ | I mean how did you install plasma |
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| 08:34.24 | terminalplasma | Netinstall, the options box |
| 08:34.38 | jm_ | and you selected KDE there? |
| 08:34.44 | terminalplasma | Yep |
| 08:35.11 | jm_ | someone else had a similar issue the other day - they installed a different DM and that helped |
| 08:35.39 | terminalplasma | What kind? |
| 08:36.13 | jm_ | I forgot, probably lightdm |
| 08:36.25 | terminalplasma | I'll try |
| 08:36.31 | neoclust | hi |
| 08:36.57 | neoclust | i am creating a deb for my project, i changed the name of the name of the deb, and i want the new one to replace the old one |
| 08:36.59 | neoclust | i added |
| 08:37.10 | neoclust | Replaces: pulse-agent-installers (<< 1.9.1), pulseagent-plugins-relay (<< 2.0.6), pulse-xmpp-agent (<< 2.0.6) |
| 08:37.19 | neoclust | do i need to add Breaks: too ? |
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| 08:38.02 | terminalplasma | True, fixed, thanks! |
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| 08:38.13 | strk | anyone familiar with davmail ? |
| 08:38.33 | terminalplasma | Does this happen often? |
| 08:38.37 | strk | all of a sudden I have all davmail listen ports respond from many places by not from my natted IP |
| 08:38.52 | strk | nc -zv $myserver 1025 # hangs indefinitely |
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| 08:39.20 | strk | while all other davmail served ports result in : Connection to $myserver $port port [tcp/*] succeeded! |
| 08:39.35 | strk | what could result in indefinite hanging ? |
| 08:39.42 | strk | a firewall rule on the server ? on an intermediate router ? |
| 08:39.59 | jm_ | terminalplasma: there's a bug report that sounds similar, so it appears to be an issue with that package |
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| 08:49.17 | Cacabrown | bonjour |
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| 08:50.15 | ratrace | Haohmaru do your thing... :) |
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| 09:30.05 | strk | how do I list the contents of a deb package without installing it ? |
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| 09:30.37 | ratrace | strk: view it on packages.debian.org |
| 09:31.03 | strk | offline, I mean |
| 09:31.13 | strk | the .deb package I created myself, locally, and want to debug its contents |
| 09:31.16 | jm_ | apt-file can do that, or dpkg -I |
| 09:31.48 | strk | dpkg -I my.deb # does NOT show contents, just metadata |
| 09:31.48 | dpkg | removes a spleen from strk and replaces it with my.deb # does NOT show contents, just metadata |
| 09:32.17 | ratrace | ouch that must've hurt! |
| 09:32.25 | jm_ | just noticed, -c is for contents |
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| 09:37.27 | strk | thanks, -c worked great |
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| 09:46.00 | ensamvarg_ | strk: If I remeber right, you also can open .deb files with file-roller. |
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| 09:46.59 | Haohmaru | ratrace >:) |
| 09:47.05 | Haohmaru | woz ask |
| 09:47.07 | jm_ | or mc |
| 09:47.09 | Haohmaru | * afk |
| 09:47.56 | ratrace | Haohmaru: youru usuaru responsu to "bonjour" :) |
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| 09:48.09 | Haohmaru | i know |
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| 09:49.27 | afidegnum | courier-imapd imapd and imapd-ssl seems to be installed but it can't fetch emails. |
| 09:49.36 | afidegnum | how do i find out which imap service is running ? |
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| 09:50.27 | jm_ | my guess would be: netstat -nap|grep imap |
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| 09:55.17 | afidegnum | empty but this instead > tcp6 0 0 :::110 :::* LISTEN 18027/couriertcpd |
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| 09:55.40 | jelly | afidegnum, use lsof or fuser ti find out what is listening on IMAP ports (143 and 993) |
| 09:55.49 | jm_ | right, would make more sense to grep for imap port |
| 09:55.51 | jelly | 110 is POP3 protocol |
| 09:56.00 | ScottHDev | Hello Hello ! My friend's pc is a miracle of shit : We've first tried manjaro. But it was taking hours to boot, and even hours to login (after we've entered the password in display manager). Following the lecture of dmesg, we thought of a GPU issue. Indeed, the card was too recent to work with nouveau drivers. But that wasn't it, at least not |
| 09:56.01 | ScottHDev | everything. At that point the pc boots always in a few hours, and still takes an eternity to login.We've then suspected the network card based on the same error messages. Finally we've abandonned manjaro and decided to go for a more mainstream distro.So we went for pop!_os.It has never booted.So we ended up trying our final choice, ubuntu. And |
| 09:56.01 | ScottHDev | halleluia, It has boot.In a little 3 hours...Have you any ideas ? |
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| 09:56.37 | jelly | ScottHDev, we'll have ideas if you try Debian. |
| 09:56.52 | jelly | !ubuntu |
| 09:56.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 09:56.56 | ratrace | yea wipe that miracle off and InstallDebian(tm) |
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| 09:57.26 | ScottHDev | I see, sorry for the disargement, thought it was the good place, I apologise |
| 09:57.27 | jelly | there is also a ##Linux channel for various distros |
| 09:57.36 | jelly | no problem |
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| 10:05.53 | Surfer2011_ | hello i got an old Thinkpad T60 and want to put Debian on this, it fails at the network component recognition, any help? |
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| 10:07.12 | Surfer2011 | hello i got an old Thinkpad T60 and want to put Debian on this, it fails at the network component recognition, any help? |
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| 10:08.49 | jelly | Surfer2011, do you have wired ethernet network plugged in or just wireless? |
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| 10:10.45 | mutante | Surfer2011: you need to install non-free software unfortunately. you can either use a cable and activate wifi later or you need to create a flash drive with the non-free driver to insert during installer |
| 10:11.05 | mutante | Surfer2011: etch is really old but so is the hardware and the info about networking still applies, see https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T60/etch |
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| 10:11.29 | mutante | see above "apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r)" |
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| 10:11.57 | Surfer2011 | since i'm trying to do a totally headless installation network first would be fine |
| 10:12.11 | mutante | then use an Ethernet cable for the install |
| 10:12.14 | mutante | it should just work |
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| 10:12.24 | Surfer2011 | but even with the network cable pluged in it does not work |
| 10:12.42 | mutante | oh. then that sounds more like you need to configure a DHCP server on the other side of that cable |
| 10:13.03 | mutante | assuming that is your router |
| 10:13.06 | Surfer2011 | do i need to change something on the preseed config so it will skip wifi? |
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| 10:13.43 | mutante | nah, don't think so. if the network detection part of the installer finds cabled network and gets an IP it should just work and prefer that |
| 10:14.09 | mutante | Surfer2011: can you look at logs of the DHCP server ? |
| 10:14.24 | mutante | assuming there is one |
| 10:14.33 | Surfer2011 | just reran it the 5th time and now it worked ... until i need to set a root password ... |
| 10:14.44 | mutante | heh,.. eh.. weird. but good |
| 10:14.51 | Surfer2011 | so it must have been the dhcp as you said |
| 10:14.57 | mutante | what's the issue with setting a root password? |
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| 10:15.10 | mutante | ok, good. you are past the networking step |
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| 10:15.25 | Surfer2011 | i'm following this tut. https://github.com/philpagel/debian-headless |
| 10:15.43 | Surfer2011 | so i want to have it totaly headless as insallation so i ccan ssh into it |
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| 10:16.16 | mutante | yea, that should not be a problem, you are already at the last step of this in the installer |
| 10:16.37 | mutante | is there any problem with setting the password? |
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| 10:17.20 | afidegnum | jelly: it's strainge, i have purged and reinstalled but no luck > apt install ajenti-v-mail courier-imap-ssl courier-imap |
| 10:17.36 | mutante | or are you saying you want the install itself to be fully automated? |
| 10:17.38 | nt80 | i've noticed a huge amount of .svg files on debian buster have "C:\Users\xine\Documents\2018-debian-buster\" paths in their metadata ----> http://paste.debian.net/1138854/ |
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| 10:17.51 | nt80 | is debian being developed on windows or something? |
| 10:18.33 | Surfer2011 | wow nice works |
| 10:18.56 | mutante | Surfer2011: cool, ok |
| 10:18.57 | Surfer2011 | i just saw the password - set screen on the testdevice and thought there is more work to do |
| 10:19.01 | Surfer2011 | thanks :-) |
| 10:19.15 | themill | nt80: looks like one user-contributed theme https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/futurePrototype |
| 10:19.24 | miskatonic | as long as it is only picture files ... |
| 10:19.34 | nt80 | ah thanks themill |
| 10:19.47 | mutante | Surfer2011: yw, happy to help. you can select ssh in the installer itself or install it later |
| 10:20.00 | Surfer2011 | is it possible to add all kinds of drivers and things so this headless install will work on almost any computer (i know it is aksed much but is there something i can do to make it work on MORE ^^) |
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| 10:20.58 | Surfer2011 | but i can only install the system on the usb stick ?! wait mh ,... something went wrong i think :D |
| 10:21.17 | mutante | Surfer2011: unofficial images including nonfree firmware maybe https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 10:22.07 | mutante | Surfer2011: you only need the USB stick if you require to do the installation itself over wifi |
| 10:22.35 | mutante | Surfer2011: if it doesn't matter to you _during installation_ and you just want wifi afterwards.. you can install it all over the network without needing a USB |
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| 10:24.04 | Surfer2011 | mhh my goal would be to have a usb stick i can mail to someone with no clue about computers and have him plug it into a old computer and it will start the installation with ssh |
| 10:24.18 | Surfer2011 | so i can install a linux with a gui desktop |
| 10:24.44 | Surfer2011 | so he can use the old computer (i do have access to the network to find the ip of the old computer |
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| 10:27.19 | mutante | Surfer2011: maybe what you want is "Debian Live" ? https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ that means it runs entirely from a DVD or USB without any install on HDD/SSD. Possibly then you can take over for the reall install. |
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| 10:32.08 | Surfer2011 | true never thought about that |
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| 10:32.33 | Surfer2011 | is ssh activated by default on Debian Live? |
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| 10:44.13 | rrttyy | Hi, I can't seem to install v4l2loopback-dkms on my system. |
| 10:44.24 | rrttyy | I'm using debian stable, updated recently. |
| 10:45.55 | rrttyy | log file: http://paste.debian.net/1138857/ |
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| 11:07.22 | watom | rrttyy you are not running a debian stable kernel |
| 11:07.32 | watom | so i'm not surprised that a module in a stable package can fail to compile |
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| 11:14.13 | rrttyy | watom: I only ever run the standard apt commands, no custom software, definitely no kernels, ever. |
| 11:14.32 | rrttyy | How would I go about reinstalling the kernel from stable? |
| 11:14.38 | watom | so why you have a kernel from backports? |
| 11:14.43 | rrttyy | oh |
| 11:14.47 | rrttyy | okay I get it! |
| 11:14.58 | rrttyy | So I guess I would have to turn off backports |
| 11:15.08 | rrttyy | But that is probably untenable because that'll break a lot of packages |
| 11:15.20 | rrttyy | The backports kernel was autoselected afaik |
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| 11:16.58 | watom | you could try to pin v4l2loopback-dkms from bullseye |
| 11:17.02 | jm_ | you still have the old kernel, just select it at boot (it's under Advanced menu) |
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| 11:25.54 | hata | I'm often running into a problem where software only listens on ipv6 on my dedicated server with debian 10, I've tried a variety of things to disable ipv6 entirely since I don't need it but that hasn't helped either |
| 11:26.06 | hata | currently I'm running something with node, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 11:26.35 | hata | node 30153 hata 22u IPv6 19470309 0t0 TCP *:3000 (LISTEN) |
| 11:26.50 | kk23 | what were the different things tried? hata |
| 11:27.12 | hata | I believe it was sysctl.conf settings |
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| 11:27.53 | jelly | hata, what makes you think the software is listening ONLY on ipv6? |
| 11:28.27 | Dagger | obviously, the fact that it says "IPv6" there |
| 11:28.27 | hata | also this dedi is using a weird ipv6 rescue kernel from the hosting company, no idea if that's related because not everything has the issue |
| 11:28.29 | hata | 4.19.62-mod-std-ipv6-64-rescue |
| 11:28.33 | jelly | does a connection to 127.0.0.1:3000 not work? |
| 11:28.36 | Dagger | dual-stack listening sockets must not exist any more |
| 11:28.40 | kk23 | seems right if u disable it there and reboot it should have worked |
| 11:29.08 | hata | let me try connecting locally |
| 11:29.14 | jelly | hata, does "telnet 127.0.0.1 3000" not work? |
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| 11:29.40 | hata | checking |
| 11:30.04 | hata | Connected to 127.0.0.1. |
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| 11:30.10 | jelly | so ipv4 works. |
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| 11:30.18 | amdhao | Hello! During boot i get notified that i got firmware missing for my amd dpu, can someone guide me to the open-source driver guide for installing them? All i find is xorg, which is already installed |
| 11:30.24 | jelly | problem solved. NEXT! |
| 11:31.02 | jm_ | !radeon firmware |
| 11:31.02 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
| 11:31.07 | jm_ | amdhao: ^66666 |
| 11:31.11 | hata | Oh, I can connect locally over http |
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| 11:31.20 | Dagger | well, make sure you've reenabled v6 first, because you don't need to and shouldn't be disabling it |
| 11:31.20 | hata | I must need to do something in nginx |
| 11:31.40 | hata | how come sometimes it only shows ipv6? |
| 11:31.52 | mureena | what shows ipv6? |
| 11:31.57 | hata | lsof -i -P -n |
| 11:32.00 | amdhao | I think i enabled non-free, why is it still trash |
| 11:32.09 | amdhao | Or how do i fix it |
| 11:32.09 | jelly | !non-free sourcec |
| 11:32.11 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 11:32.12 | mureena | so what does your nginx vhost conf says on listening? |
| 11:32.15 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 11:32.15 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 11:32.24 | hata | I'm pretty sure ipv6 is enabled still |
| 11:32.30 | mureena | so what does it say? |
| 11:32.30 | jelly | amdhao, enable those, install firmware-amd-graphics package, then reboot |
| 11:32.46 | hata | actually I don't see any ipv6 addresses |
| 11:32.49 | hata | w/e |
| 11:32.52 | Dagger | v6 sockets listening on :: can accept v4 connections too. that's a bonus feature to make it easier to listen on v6+v4 |
| 11:32.56 | mureena | ^ |
| 11:32.58 | amdhao | Enabled, but thanks for the pointer |
| 11:33.01 | hata | did not know that |
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| 11:33.24 | Dagger | it can be disabled by default with the net.ipv6.bindv6only sysctl, and also applications can enable or disable it on a per-socket basis |
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| 11:33.50 | Dagger | nginx does exactly that, so its configuration is a little more complicated than it needs to be |
| 11:34.10 | jelly | in general you should have no need to mess with net.ipv6.bindv6only after Debian 7 or so |
| 11:34.14 | hata | I believe my sysctl.conf is currently unconfigured so to speak |
| 11:34.19 | amdhao | Installed, rebooting, thanks! |
| 11:34.23 | hata | there do not appear to be any changes made |
| 11:34.30 | hata | been a while since I touched it |
| 11:35.05 | hata | unmodified I should say |
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| 11:37.13 | mureena | can you even ping ::1 ? |
| 11:37.38 | hata | connect: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 11:38.06 | hata | I might have messed with something else in the past, can't remember |
| 11:38.55 | mureena | do you have any ipv6 configuration in your /etc/hosts file? |
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| 11:38.59 | rrttyy | wat |
| 11:39.02 | rrttyy | sorry |
| 11:39.06 | rrttyy | watom: thanks |
| 11:39.11 | rrttyy | jm_: thanks |
| 11:39.13 | hata | fe00::0 ip6-localnet |
| 11:39.25 | hata | as well as 2,3,4 for other things |
| 11:39.31 | hata | and 1, * |
| 11:39.36 | jm_ | rrttyy: no problem |
| 11:39.46 | hata | minus the 4 actually, had my fingers on the wrong keys |
| 11:40.10 | hata | oh my blind, this is in there too, ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
| 11:40.15 | hata | I'm * |
| 11:40.20 | mureena | well that sounds good at least |
| 11:40.35 | Dagger | what about `sysctl -a | grep disable_ipv6`? |
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| 11:40.49 | hata | I am too tired to be doing this right now, spent all night running around like a headless chicken at work |
| 11:40.57 | Dagger | or something like `grep -r disable_ipv6 /etc` perhaps, to figure out where it's being set |
| 11:41.40 | hata | will paste shortly |
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| 11:42.30 | hata | I know certain channels are particular about pastes, how does that work here? |
| 11:42.43 | jm_ | use the paste site |
| 11:42.52 | hata | I see |
| 11:42.59 | mureena | remember to set expiry etc. |
| 11:43.35 | hata | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7c091025/ |
| 11:43.39 | hata | set to 24h |
| 11:43.48 | miskatonic | is there no default expiry on paste site especially those without registration or even fees? |
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| 11:45.33 | Dagger | odd that the sysctl.conf lines are commented out yet it's still set to 1 everywhere, but maybe it just needs a reboot |
| 11:45.41 | rrttyy | watom: that worked! |
| 11:45.47 | hata | I probably did something stupid before |
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| 11:46.12 | watom | rrttyy well of course. that version is supposed to work with the bullseye kernel which is the same at the moment that is in backports |
| 11:46.19 | hata | I'm a bit concerned about rebooting though, I installed the official kernel instead of the one from the hosting company |
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| 11:46.44 | hata | I ran update-grub or w/e it was and things seem ok, still haven't rebooted since I did all that a couple weeks ago |
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| 11:48.40 | hata | one of these days I'll cancel this dedi and colo at my job, but migrating is such a pain |
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| 11:49.10 | Dagger | you'll have to reboot at some point or another, and if you don't do it at a time of your choosing it'll happen at the most awkward moment |
| 11:49.24 | hata | I had 1400 days of uptime until recently |
| 11:49.28 | Dagger | not saying it has to be right now, but the longer you leave it the less you'll remember about what you've changed |
| 11:49.33 | hata | and the server rebooted itself twice in an hour for no apparent reason |
| 11:50.12 | hata | is there an easy way to verify my grub.cfg will work |
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| 11:50.31 | hata | I saw grub-emu or something but that doesn't quite work over ssh |
| 11:50.33 | Dagger | with or without downtime? :p |
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| 11:51.03 | hata | without rebooting |
| 11:51.16 | hata | sure would be nice if I had ipmi and ikvm |
| 11:52.15 | Dagger | I can't think of an easy way other than "inspect it for errors and hope you catch everything"... you could throw the config into a VM but that's a lot of effort to set up |
| 11:52.40 | hata | hmm never thought of testing in a vm, that does sound troublesome though |
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| 11:55.42 | mureena | having that high uptime is quite concerning especially if you've had the machine exposed to the internet |
| 11:56.13 | mureena | if there's something important running just say the magic works "emergency maintenance tiem!" |
| 11:57.08 | hata | I deal with enough of that at work lol |
| 11:57.26 | hata | client's servers always breaking suddenly |
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| 12:30.37 | cromag | might not be the correct place for this question, but ill give it a go: I have a debian vm with LVM, where i have sda1 as /boot and sda2 as extended partition and then sda5 as en LVM partition. I would like to expand the lvm partition... |
| 12:31.07 | cromag | i have added space to this in vmware, rescanned and it shows up in fdisk -l |
| 12:32.08 | cromag | can i extend the sda2 partiton and then after the sda5, and how would i go by this ? |
| 12:32.41 | cromag | they are the same size except for 2 sectors in each end |
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| 12:39.30 | jm_ | cromag: yeah sda2 is probably extended partition, so expand that, then you can either a) expand sda5, or b) add a new logical drive, pvcreate it, then vgextend. lvextend and finally extend the FS |
| 12:40.02 | cromag | jm_: would i need to delete sda2 as i normalyy would ? |
| 12:40.09 | cromag | and create the new |
| 12:40.28 | jm_ | cromag: no, just extend it, parted has resizepart command for example |
| 12:41.03 | cromag | i do not have access to parted at this box :( - fdisk is the thing |
| 12:41.23 | jm_ | you can't install it? |
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| 12:41.36 | cromag | no :( |
| 12:41.43 | cromag | i'll see how i can around it. |
| 12:42.13 | jm_ | in general you can use fdisk and delete the partition, but make sure you use it correctly |
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| 12:43.18 | cromag | yeah. I'll see if i can get away with that. Thanks :) |
| 12:43.46 | jm_ | of course you could also create sda3, but that only leaves you with an option to create one more partition |
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| 12:46.33 | cromag | yeah, i would rather extend/expand at this point. But yeah, i might just need to create... |
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| 13:25.38 | mi11k1 | does anybody have any scripts for checking, logging, benchmarking storage devices via CLI? |
| 13:26.43 | JyZyXEL | i do |
| 13:26.58 | Santzes | Anyone have a good solution: I want to share some files over network from my Mint to Debian. I often change between wifi and eth, and I'd like my traffic obviously to go through eth when available. I already have a script, that updates the best IP to use to /etc/hosts . NFS didn't end up working too well, if eth disconnect, the mounted fs block and seems to never reconnect (ls gets stuck) |
| 13:26.58 | mi11k1 | feel like sharing? |
| 13:27.09 | Logg | millk1: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/deleteme count=1000000 status=progress |
| 13:27.09 | gitter1234 | Hi! So I'm trying to write a little critique of Linux here. Would anybody mind checking it out and giving me some feedback? Thanks! -- https://pastebin.com/SuQPPfwK |
| 13:27.13 | mi11k1 | Santzes, syncthing |
| 13:27.39 | JyZyXEL | mi11k1: nope, it's purpose built for my specific use case |
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| 13:28.04 | mi11k1 | JyZyXEL, Its for sync, but it works |
| 13:28.17 | Santzes | sshfs works better and I'd prefer to use it. I already made it reconnect when eth disconnects, but whenever I get back to eth, it will keep using wifi. I was thinking remount script for every time eth connects, but if there's any action going on, umount would fail.. |
| 13:28.49 | mi11k1 | Santzes, sure does, but I havent found a way to switch between wifi and eth withough it hanging |
| 13:29.01 | Santzes | mi11k1: I just need to stream files from other to other, not actually save them. love syncthing for sure for otherp urposes |
| 13:29.02 | jelly | gitter1234, there's some merit but whoever wrote it does not know a lot about linux |
| 13:29.22 | mi11k1 | Santzes, media? minimdlna |
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| 13:29.31 | mi11k1 | sorry theres a typo there |
| 13:30.03 | Santzes | nah it will be lot of different kind of files. though interesting idea, as the biggest files will be media.. |
| 13:30.04 | jelly | gitter1234, it's more an ad for openbsd than an honest critique |
| 13:30.14 | mi11k1 | Logg, that will just zero the device right? |
| 13:30.35 | mi11k1 | Logg, some are SSD and I read that will take some life |
| 13:30.59 | jelly | gitter1234, that said, maybe try #debian-offtopic -- this channel is primarily for tech support |
| 13:31.09 | gitter1234 | jelly: Good point |
| 13:31.13 | gitter1234 | Will do, thanks! |
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| 13:31.45 | Santzes | but at the same time I don't want minidlna sharing all my media to the open wifi network, and it's not a perfect solution as this is needed for a lot of other stuff also |
| 13:31.47 | Logg | millk1, It will zero out whatever spaces /tmp/deleteme used to occupy, but you will receive a write speed from dd. You can also output to /dev/zero to get just the read speed |
| 13:32.15 | mi11k1 | Santzes, you can try setting the same ip statically for each interface and make it the same maybe would be easy |
| 13:33.19 | mi11k1 | Logg, I use that command or similar mostly, but I just found badblocks. |
| 13:33.51 | mi11k1 | Logg, actually ive used hdparm for benchmark |
| 13:34.22 | Logg | oh yea, hdparm is a good one |
| 13:34.22 | Santzes | I do not control the wlan access point. also I will need to keep the wifi online while eth is connected, otherwise I think the sshfs mount would work & reconnect automatically anyways already |
| 13:34.24 | mi11k1 | i was thinking about a script to kinda do everything, I have like 10 USB drives to do |
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| 13:34.58 | mi11k1 | Santzes, you can still set static |
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| 13:35.28 | jm_ | mi11k1: bonnie is a simple FS test, then there's fio |
| 13:35.37 | mi11k1 | whatver ip your assigned right now just make it static on the machine. I dunno |
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| 13:37.12 | mi11k1 | jm_, I just dont understand harddrives. ive had super good luck my whole life, and just use ssds now, but i have like a bunch of mechanical 1-2TB drives and a bunch of SSDs, and I know they contain errors, bad sectors |
| 13:38.11 | mi11k1 | Santzes, you might try autossh with sshfs or something |
| 13:38.15 | jm_ | mi11k1: ahh for that mkfs has an option, -c, but I would think twice about using such drives |
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| 13:39.26 | mi11k1 | jm_, its just one of those things, if it has the potential of taking a day or 2 to complete, it would be nice to get it right the 1st time |
| 13:39.29 | nmschulte | Wayland/Sway: how can I verify that my graphics acceleration is working properly, in e.g. Firefox (MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1)/WebGL, and desktop applications (mplayer, ffmpeg)? There are a few different va-driver-all packages for Intel graphics; i965-va-driver (and -shaders; currently broken), intel-media-va-driver (and -non-free...), and mesa-va-drivers. |
| 13:39.36 | karlpinc | mi11k1: You could see what smartctl says about the drives with smartmontools. |
| 13:39.55 | mi11k1 | karlpinc, that how i know they contain errors |
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| 13:40.22 | Santzes | mi11k1: autossh wouldn't disconnect, as the reason sshfs keeps the slow wifi connection up is because it can still connect to the wifi IP and won't trigger a reconnection.. hmm though I guess I could disconnect the wifi and route internet though eth from the wifi of the other computer, lowering the wifi noise at the same time.. |
| 13:40.24 | nmschulte | I think HDDs have sector blacklists; SMART should inform you of failing drives; runs of bad sectors usually; maybe entire platters. |
| 13:40.37 | ice9 | apt pinning problem is solved by just an upgrade? |
| 13:40.38 | apt | okay, ice9 |
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| 13:41.32 | mi11k1 | Santzes, my mind is completely blown, I dont even understand my own routing right now. I just caught some key points in your problem, but honestly i dont understand it fully. |
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| 13:42.21 | mi11k1 | nmschulte, yes. And I though I was successful at a drive, but it failed again. |
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| 13:43.05 | mi11k1 | ice9, pinnimgg problem is solved by fixing whatever you put in the config for pinning |
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| 13:44.07 | mi11k1 | Santzes, maybe you can figure out how to bonnd the 2 connections |
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| 14:03.17 | Surfer2011 | how do i get into a debian live system by using ssh? |
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| 14:04.40 | jm_ | start ssh server |
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| 14:10.01 | deadly_d | You are invited to chat with Dr Gamme Martin @ irc.butt.es #GAMME |
| 14:10.28 | mutante | Surfer2011: systemctl status ssh (to check if ssh server is running) systemtl start ssh (to start it if not) And if both fail then first apt install openssh-server |
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| 14:19.14 | acidtripper | Hi does somebody know if setting loglevel=debug is dinamic on systemd? |
| 14:19.15 | Surfer2011 | is there an debian with activated ssh? |
| 14:19.22 | acidtripper | or need to restart any service |
| 14:19.30 | Surfer2011 | mutante: i found out it is not even installed on the newest debian |
| 14:19.37 | Surfer2011 | not in the liveSystem |
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| 14:20.35 | mutante | Surfer2011: ok, but apt-get install openssh-server should be enough |
| 14:20.43 | mutante | Surfer2011: at least for password based auth |
| 14:21.09 | mutante | oh.. i see.. you mean before it is on hard disk |
| 14:21.12 | Surfer2011 | yes i had to update first and then do the install, but this will be lost once shutdown correct? |
| 14:21.17 | Surfer2011 | (on a live usb system |
| 14:21.17 | chr0n1c | You are invited to take part in an important scientific lecture and chat with Dr Gamme Martin @ irc.butt.es #GAMME |
| 14:21.20 | acidtripper | nobody knows??? |
| 14:21.53 | L0aD1nG | hello there |
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| 14:22.30 | L0aD1nG | can i make a bootable usb with dd command other than linux one (like windows one)? |
| 14:22.46 | mutante | Surfer2011: yea, but if you only want to ssh into it one time to do the "real" install then that should still work.. but i understand.. you want it to be automatic for the other guy. i think the solution here is to make your own custom debian live CD and search tutorials for that. it's possible, you can unpack a live image, change something (like install openssh), and then create a new iso from it and |
| 14:22.48 | greycat | No. Ask ##windows for details. |
| 14:22.52 | mutante | burn it |
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| 14:23.30 | L0aD1nG | greycat: i am using debian i dont have a windows machine, so i guess that i cant make a freebsd one too? |
| 14:23.44 | Surfer2011 | ok i will try this since i would love to have javaVM and one other thing installed alsp :-) thanks mutante i will check for a tutorial |
| 14:23.50 | greycat | Debian's installer images are dark voodoo "hybrid ISO", specially concocted so that the same image can be burned to a CD or written to a USB disk. Most "iso" files are not. |
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| 14:24.55 | mutante | Surfer2011: by the way, if the other guy has Windows and you want to install Debian, there was also a setup.exe that you can start in Windows, then reboot and get into Debian installer. at least i remember that being linked from the "goodbye microsoft" website back in the days |
| 14:25.30 | L0aD1nG | greycat: from freebsd i have a memstick.img i try write it with dd and it doesnt boot |
| 14:25.44 | greycat | If you want instructions for installing freebsd, ask the freebsd channel. If you want instructions for installing windows, ask the windows channel. I don't know why you're asking US. We don't know. |
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| 14:27.05 | Surfer2011 | mutante: no its an old laptop with who knows maybe needed data on the hdd not starting so i would love to stay on the usb-live system as much as possible until i can physical get there to save the files and so on |
| 14:27.07 | L0aD1nG | greycat: cause i am on a debian system and i am trying to do a bootable usb, what i want to understand is if dd command is working only for a linux distro on debian.. |
| 14:27.30 | greycat | L0aD1nG: ask the channel who actually KNOWS HOW TO DO THE THING YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. |
| 14:27.43 | Surfer2011 | mutante: https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ this should work i think |
| 14:28.14 | Surfer2011 | so only think i need to know is i386 or amd (64bit) correct? |
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| 14:29.24 | L0aD1nG | greycat: okay man relax.. you are not alone here might someone knows. And also if you want to do something on debian which channel would you pick? Cause i am telling you i am on a debian system... sorry if my question bothered you so much. But it make sense |
| 14:29.29 | mutante | Surfer2011: probably amd64 unless it's really old |
| 14:29.59 | mutante | Surfer2011: in general that sounds like what i had in mind..yea |
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| 14:38.02 | acidtripper | cool skilled people here, nobody knows how to debug process starting on systemd.. greycat try to stop arguing and help. this is a support channel. |
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| 14:38.16 | acidtripper | already found it, don't need help anymore |
| 14:38.28 | greycat | I'm going to start kicking people if you keep this shit up. |
| 14:38.49 | acidtripper | me? only asked for help, read the logs |
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| 14:39.05 | L0aD1nG | acidtripper: so what do i asked for? help... |
| 14:39.17 | acidtripper | read log ^^^ |
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| 14:39.27 | greycat | Last warning. |
| 14:39.29 | acidtripper | Hi does somebody know if setting loglevel=debug is dinamic on systemd? |
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| 14:47.38 | greycat | well, I found https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/566190/how-can-i-get-the-current-systemd-log-level-and-change-it |
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| 14:50.52 | L0aD1nG | is there any software on the debian's databases that creates bootable usb? i am searching on the internet with no results also with apt-cache search... |
| 14:51.03 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:51.25 | greycat | If you want to create a deep dark voodoo Debian-style hybrid ISO image file, your best bet would be to start in |
| 14:51.31 | greycat | !d-i |
| 14:51.31 | dpkg | Information about the development of the debian-installer is at the developers page http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
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| 14:52.44 | acidtripper | thanks greycat |
| 14:52.51 | greycat | But something tells me this person is not really trying to create their own operating system installer. In which case they should refer to the MULTIPLE times I told them where to go for information. |
| 14:53.18 | acidtripper | systemd-analyze |
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| 14:58.11 | L0aD1nG | greycat: what i am trying to do is what you said. Create my own operating system installer, do you have any information about any software on debian databases? |
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| 15:02.18 | acidtripper | L0aD1nG, ? if you want to have your own operating system, you may also know that |
| 15:02.27 | acidtripper | or at least build a linux from scratch |
| 15:02.45 | L0aD1nG | lol |
| 15:02.46 | acidtripper | as i know debian installer is ncurses based |
| 15:03.02 | L0aD1nG | "create" right what damn ass i am |
| 15:03.05 | acidtripper | and open source, also you have anaconda other installer solution |
| 15:03.26 | L0aD1nG | of course thats not true man misstyped.. |
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| 15:03.45 | acidtripper | ? really don't know what you want |
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| 15:04.30 | L0aD1nG | acidtripper: what i want is to make a bootable usb via software, do you know any software doing the job that can be dowloaded with apt-get? |
| 15:04.52 | acidtripper | dd |
| 15:05.06 | acidtripper | dd if=x.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | L0aD1nG: have you tried using "apt-cache search bootable" ? |
| 15:05.36 | acidtripper | what type of bootable |
| 15:06.02 | L0aD1nG | abrotman: i use apt-cache search for specific names of software that i read on some websites.. not that actual search |
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| 15:06.19 | abrotman | good luck |
| 15:06.31 | greycat | This isn't even the first time I've seen people come here asking how to burn their (pirated?) Windows ISO images. It's bizarre. |
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| 15:08.01 | L0aD1nG | greycat: i am also interesting for freebsd i am trying to boot my desktop with something... installed debian but grub wont open although the installation worked fine |
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| 15:16.03 | karlpinc | L0aD1nG: You could tell us what "won't open" means.... |
| 15:16.08 | karlpinc | !errors |
| 15:16.08 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 15:17.48 | L0aD1nG | karlpinc: bootloader wont start, and the strange thing here is that in the start i got a "Reading Error" and then after some reboots i got grub rescue console... |
| 15:18.42 | L0aD1nG | ohhh and before the grub rescue console it gives an error i dont remember let me reboot it and tell you |
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| 15:20.49 | L0aD1nG | karlpinc: error: file 'grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found |
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| 15:21.33 | L0aD1nG | karlpinc: i was like hours on freebsd channel we searched and found that my motherboard is only for running windows bootloaders |
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| 15:24.06 | L0aD1nG | i dont even knew that, that kind of motherboards exist really. Some smart ass made fool of me cause in greece they all think its 100% you are using windows. Other than the fact that i need windows to use my printer and play dota sometimes. |
| 15:24.45 | L0aD1nG | but i am not really sure about the information about the motherboard, i am sure that the hardware is malfunctioning... |
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| 15:26.30 | f-a | hello, I have encountered this bug in package `aeolus` https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943335#10 |
| 15:26.31 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/943335 in aeolus (open): «aeolus throws std::bad_alloc on first launch»; severity: important; opened: 2019-10-23; last modified: 2019-12-15. |
| 15:26.44 | f-a | the workaround involves root and editing files |
| 15:27.03 | f-a | is there a way to do it w/o root? and alterantively: can it be dangerous in any way? |
| 15:28.30 | L0aD1nG | f-a: using sudo? |
| 15:29.43 | f-a | L0aD1nG: I mean, my problem is that I understand 0 of that the solution involves |
| 15:30.04 | f-a | and I don't know if by modifying those files I may mess up anything |
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| 15:33.10 | L0aD1nG | f-a: you want to modify the files of the package so you correct the bug? if i am getting this right? |
| 15:33.50 | f-a | yes L0aD1nG , but before doing that, I want to know how safe the modification is |
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| 15:38.05 | L0aD1nG | f-a: i dont think you will mess up the system with editing the specific package's code. Now with sudo you can avoid putting the root password. But do you have programming skills to do that? |
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| 15:38.28 | L0aD1nG | I think if you will mess something is the specific software |
| 15:38.41 | f-a | L0aD1nG: if you check the link, it is not the package's code |
| 15:38.51 | L0aD1nG | although i am not an exept here, i use debian like 7 years but not an expert.. |
| 15:38.54 | f-a | if it files `/etc/security/limits.conf` and `/etc/pam.d/common-session` |
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| 15:41.47 | L0aD1nG | f-a: this files to me is all about comments /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 15:42.13 | L0aD1nG | f-a: seems a general file though cause i dont have installed the software you have installed |
| 15:42.30 | L0aD1nG | f-a: i mean it may be a system file, it probably is... |
| 15:42.55 | f-a | it is, L0aD1nG |
| 15:43.01 | f-a | hence why my question |
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| 15:43.40 | L0aD1nG | f-a: yea you maybe mess up the system. But i am not sure for that, speaking with chances. |
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| 15:45.49 | isnice | f-a: is this a system you control or is it shared? do you even have root access to it? |
| 15:46.06 | f-a | isnice: it is mine, it is my laptop, I have root access to it |
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| 15:47.40 | isnice | is it running in a VM or is it your sole OS on the laptop? |
| 15:48.08 | f-a | sole OS |
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| 15:51.11 | isnice | gotcha. I personally dont think you will mess anything up, but i am not 100% certain either. youre only increasing the maximum amount of memory that can be locked from 65535kb to 100000kb. if it has some adverse effects you can always just change it back. or if you dont feel comfortable doing that on your sole OS, set up a VM with debian and try it in there |
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| 15:54.29 | f-a | thanks isnice , I appreciate |
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| 15:55.07 | isnice | the other thing you can possible try is just send an email to that guy on the ticket, Bernhard. his email is at the top. maybe he can give you more info |
| 15:55.22 | zerocool | hey yall, im having a strange issue... with chrome and chromium, they both behave the same way. i've removed each using --purge, manually removed any remaining files/directories related, installed, still the problem persists. |
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| 15:55.39 | zerocool | problem is that a few seconds to a minute after opening, it will crash |
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| 15:58.42 | zerocool | Oh! breakthrough, just as soon as I ask, i've had this problem for a week and as soon as I start to give up, i find it. |
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| 16:04.52 | wondiws | after I installed LXDE my keyboard freezes when I return to my desktop when I reopen my notebook lid |
| 16:04.55 | wondiws | how can I solve this? |
| 16:05.55 | wondiws | I can use my mouse to go to another of my 4 desktops and then the keyboard becomes usable again. But now I can't even do that anymore because my mouse pointer is confined to a 640x480 area in the middle of the display |
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| 16:06.38 | wondiws | oh, now I get it, I have to type my password, in a not visible login menu :P |
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| 16:11.17 | L0aD1nG | wondiws: thats really weird.. |
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| 16:28.16 | L0aD1nG | thanks for any help guys |
| 16:28.24 | L0aD1nG | goodbye |
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| 16:29.23 | L0aD1nG | i mean thanks for helping me "any" should not be there my english sucks |
| 16:29.26 | L0aD1nG | goodbye |
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| 16:38.17 | ice9 | why would someone prefer ubuntu server over debian? |
| 16:39.32 | AndreasLutro | ice9: the ability to pay canonical for support, or the ability to more easily get up-to-date packages |
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| 16:41.43 | cybercrypto | ice9: it depends. there are several variables and requirements that can enforce or discredit such choice. |
| 16:42.33 | cybercrypto | AndreasLutro's example is one of them. |
| 16:43.32 | greycat | does not like the term "up to date" in this context, because it implies that newer is somehow better |
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| 16:46.23 | mutante | ice9: because back in the days when Ubuntu was new it had better hardware detection so people considered it "easier" but then over the years that changed and now there isn't really a reason anymore except that people still _think_ it's somewhow easier |
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| 16:47.04 | cybercrypto | greycat: I agree. today's concept about 'newer' is very much linked to 'better'... and indeed it not quite true. |
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| 16:52.42 | cybercrypto | greycat: as an exemple, 'newer' stuff may off course brings you recent features (people go for that due to the 'new features') Sometimes they install it not even knowing what is that feature and not even in need of the feature. |
| 16:53.49 | cybercrypto | greycat: the result is that most of these people end up with critical bugs and issues they would not even have if they choose stability at first place. |
| 16:54.16 | uniqdom | Hello, a few minutes ago I had the command sendmail. I messed the config of exim4 so I had to purge exim4 related packages and then install again. Now I don't have sendmail. And if I try to install it, exim4 needs to be uninstalled. How to have exim4 and sendmail at the same time again? |
| 16:54.57 | mutante | dpkg: sendmail |
| 16:54.57 | dpkg | Sendmail is one of the older Mail Transfer Agents, configurable using m4 and its own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. http://www.sendmail.org/ #sendmail on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:55.22 | mutante | uniqdom: do you just want a commandline program to send mail from the shell? |
| 16:55.28 | greycat | uniqdom: you do not INSTALL the PACKAGE named sendmail if you are using exim4 and you simply want to send mail. |
| 16:55.42 | greycat | uniqdom: the COMMAND /usr/sbin/sendmail is PROVIDED BY exim4, or by sendmail, or by postfix, but you have to pick one. |
| 16:55.45 | greycat | Also, |
| 16:55.46 | greycat | !buster su |
| 16:55.46 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 16:56.05 | uniqdom | mutante: yes. I want a command line to send an email. |
| 16:56.09 | greycat | if you tried to run /usr/sbin/sendmail by typing "sendmail" but /usr/sbin isn't in your PATH, it will not work |
| 16:56.11 | mutante | uniqdom: if so, see s-snail https://packages.debian.org/buster/s-nail |
| 16:56.20 | mutante | s-nail |
| 16:56.25 | mutante | replaced mailx |
| 16:56.36 | greycat | Not quite. It's complicated. See the wiki. |
| 16:56.58 | uniqdom | greycat: /usr/sbin/sendmail not found, with exim4 installed |
| 16:57.11 | mutante | yea, but it is still the correct answer to "want a commandline program to send email" |
| 16:57.16 | mutante | on stable |
| 16:57.25 | greycat | The mailx story is at https://wiki.debian.org/NewInStretch#Upgrade_issues |
| 16:57.54 | uniqdom | whereis sendmail shows "sendmail: /usr/share/sendmail" but thats a directory |
| 16:58.23 | mutante | either way. just forget about sendmail |
| 16:58.30 | greycat | arc3:~# ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:58.31 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Sep 27 2019 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 16:58.54 | greycat | .. exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 16:59.03 | uniqdom | I'm missing exim4-daemon-light |
| 16:59.03 | greycat | make sure the exim4-daemon-light package is installed. |
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| 17:26.49 | usr01234321eq111 | hi people |
| 17:27.20 | usr01234321eq111 | what kinds of risks could i get if i download music using p2p? |
| 17:27.28 | usr01234321eq111 | i mean, amule |
| 17:27.53 | ratrace | usr01234321eq111: you'll get caught, fined and jailed. also, offtopic in #debian :) |
| 17:28.15 | annadane | depends on how lenient or not your isp is |
| 17:28.20 | diogenes_ | usr01234321eq111, depends on country. |
| 17:28.29 | annadane | you will get JAILED FOR LIFE for #debian off-topic questions, though. |
| 17:28.42 | greycat | I'd worry more about the malware in the "amule" program than the legal ramifications. |
| 17:28.48 | usr01234321eq111 | right, right. |
| 17:29.09 | usr01234321eq111 | i'm bad |
| 17:29.11 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry |
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| 17:29.49 | usr01234321eq111 | and the thing about viruses? |
| 17:29.57 | annadane | :| |
| 17:30.19 | annadane | if you're on linux you shouldn't worry about viruses, windows more so, i guess. but like, this is #debian |
| 17:30.25 | usr01234321eq111 | okay :( |
| 17:30.36 | cybercrypto | :/ |
| 17:30.43 | greycat | never said viruses. |
| 17:30.50 | usr01234321eq111 | i'll come back if i get really troubles. thanks and sorry. bye |
| 17:31.10 | annadane | i probably should be less of an asshole, not good for the community |
| 17:31.11 | ratrace | malware for linux exists, and it's not so uncommon. viruses are a different thing. |
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| 17:31.50 | greycat | You're almost never going to get in legal trouble for *downloading* music. They go after the uploaders. |
| 17:32.06 | ratrace | yes, which is what p2p does |
| 17:32.57 | greycat | Probably, maybe, perhaps, who the hell knows what "amule" does. But that person specifically said "download". Then again, they may not even *know* how their chosen malware-agent-program works. |
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| 17:34.16 | ratrace | it's a thingy like torrents thingy. |
| 17:34.44 | annadane | i mean, you do also get bitched at for downloading |
| 17:34.53 | annadane | because the state of intellectual property is a hot mess |
| 17:35.04 | annadane | is pretty much militantly Information Wants To Be Free |
| 17:35.54 | ratrace | yes but the industry doesn't care about downloaders because they can't charge for damage. if you download torrents and make it availalbe to thousands, hundreds of thousands of people and their honeypots spot that, you're liable for THAT damage -- hundreds of thousands of sales you stole from them. |
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| 17:37.25 | ratrace | I'm about Free Willy and Information and all that.... but I wanna be paid for content I produce. those two principles are not exclusive. |
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| 17:38.02 | ratrace | no idea which idiot said first that work to produce content is not work worthy of being paid for, if it's in the form of information, and not atoms... |
| 17:38.29 | ratrace | some pinko commie hypocrite that's charging heftily for IP behind his back. |
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| 17:40.32 | annadane | i think the bigger problem is obscurity, but whatever, offtopic for #debian |
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| 18:09.25 | miuku24 | hey guys |
| 18:09.54 | miuku24 | Is it just me or is this something else? |
| 18:09.54 | miuku24 | apt update |
| 18:09.54 | apt | from memory, update is to refresh the mirrors |
| 18:09.55 | miuku24 | connect to security.debian.org:80 (151.101.192.204), connection timed out |
| 18:10.49 | cybercrypto | miuku24: have you tried testing network connection to the server above? |
| 18:10.59 | bjmoose | sudo apt update |
| 18:11.34 | greycat | 151.101.192.204 responds to pings for me. Maybe you're behind a firewall of some kind, possibly at work? |
| 18:11.39 | miuku24 | running as root |
| 18:11.44 | miuku24 | im at home |
| 18:11.54 | miuku24 | 0% [Connecting to prod.debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.84.204)] [Connecting to security.debian.org (151.101.128.204)] |
| 18:12.02 | greycat | Any kind of firewall or VPN that might be interfering? |
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| 18:12.49 | cybercrypto | miuku24: apt application uses http port for data traffic (try that port, if you will) |
| 18:12.49 | miuku24 | well i'm connected TO home via VPN, but no other VPN's |
| 18:13.01 | cybercrypto | miuku24: it is working fine for me. |
| 18:13.10 | miuku24 | i shoudl be able to open this from my browser? http://security.debian.org/debian-security |
| 18:14.00 | cybercrypto | miuku24: just for the network test, try ' telnet 151.101.192.204 80 ' |
| 18:14.44 | miuku24 | meh, dont have telnet installed :) |
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| 18:15.18 | miuku24 | and i'm unable to install it :) |
| 18:16.29 | cybercrypto | miuku24: the host you want to update is your 'home computer' and you are at office accessing it via VPN? |
| 18:16.51 | miuku24 | its at home, not any office |
| 18:16.56 | miuku24 | the firewall is maintained by me |
| 18:17.17 | miuku24 | i'm at my gf using VPN to route traffic via home conncetion |
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| 18:17.25 | miuku24 | and https etc is working fine |
| 18:17.28 | cybercrypto | miuku24: so check your firewall and verify logs. |
| 18:17.30 | miuku24 | but not from the debian on my LAN |
| 18:17.35 | miuku24 | logs show nothing about that |
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| 18:18.02 | klys | miuku24, try deb.debian.org in place of security.debian.org |
| 18:19.44 | bjmoose | miuku24: any reason you must update now ? |
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| 18:20.39 | miuku24 | https://pastebin.com/VEfUy37e does this say anything to you? |
| 18:20.52 | miuku24 | bjmoose, i was about to install apache |
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| 18:21.48 | miuku24 | i guess the problem is only with security, not normal updates |
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| 18:22.24 | trysten | i'm trying to switch my root partition, where do I start learning how to recofigure grub to boot from the other system? |
| 18:22.33 | klys | It seems we were discussing a problem with security.debian.org a little while ago, and someone said to use deb.debian.org for now. |
| 18:23.13 | cybercrypto | miuku24: Yes. the pastbin logs shows that name resolution is fine. and TCP handshake is not fine (your home_host, keeps sending Syn flagged packets and not getting Syn ack back). Sounds like firewall issue or wrong rules. |
| 18:24.24 | klys | trysten, have you read man grub-install ? |
| 18:24.41 | cybercrypto | miuku24: enable log verbose in your firewall (netfilter i assume) and check if your firewall is blocking your host |
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| 18:26.42 | miuku24 | firewall is pfsense |
| 18:27.23 | miuku24 | tried pfctl -d and still same issue |
| 18:27.47 | trysten | i glanced over it again and don't think it's what i'm looking for. I think i can install grub to the new disk just fine, but I don't know how to configure grub to boot from the new system *by default*. I guess I should have mentioned this is a headless box |
| 18:28.32 | trysten | I found on the wiki, a sentence saying to edit /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:30.50 | miuku24 | yeah actually confirmed that its only at my home |
| 18:31.17 | cybercrypto | miuku24: ok, you have several options.... here I will list few of them for you to try: 1-create a 'always_allowed' rule in your firewall for you host-10.0.0.53 to fully access any services and IPs, and test. 2- use suggestion from klys and test. 3-log into your firewall and debug what your firewall is doing with that tcp request. |
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| 18:39.15 | miuku24 | cybercrypto, actually yeah, i did create a allow allow rule for the host and enabled loggin for it |
| 18:39.44 | miuku24 | according to firewall logs it does not even try to connect to it after dns query |
| 18:41.26 | miuku24 | right. i ran etc/init.d/networing restart and it does not get an ip anymore ;D |
| 18:41.32 | miuku24 | i did try to disable ipv6 |
| 18:41.36 | miuku24 | wonder if that makes issues |
| 18:42.03 | cybercrypto | miuku24: according to your host-10.0.0.53 it is indeed sending tcp-SYN requests to connect. Are you sure the packets are not reaching your firewall? |
| 18:42.18 | miuku24 | Lucky me its a virtual host :) |
| 18:42.41 | miuku24 | cybercrypto, not sure of many things anymore |
| 18:43.38 | cybercrypto | miuku24: host-10.0.0.53 is virtual box host? |
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| 18:44.48 | miuku24 | yes |
| 18:44.57 | miuku24 | running on esxi |
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| 18:48.03 | cybercrypto | miuku24: bit of advice for you: |
| 18:49.22 | cybercrypto | miuku24: shutdown yout host-10.0.0.53 and change configuration for network interface from NAT to BRIDGE, start your host-10.0.0.53 again and test |
| 18:50.50 | miuku24 | from nat to bridge? |
| 18:50.53 | miuku24 | bridge to where? |
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| 18:51.11 | cybercrypto | miuku24: that will save good time, but if you really need to use NAT in your host, then :-) start debugging your firewall. |
| 18:51.31 | miuku24 | i cant un NAT it :) |
| 18:51.46 | miuku24 | my router has the only public IP |
| 18:51.57 | cybercrypto | miuku24: in your vmware settings, you go into your host-machine properties and find network interfaces. |
| 18:52.33 | miuku24 | hmm are you sure your talkinga bout esxi? |
| 18:52.50 | cybercrypto | miuku24: you host-10.0.0.53 is doing NAT with your host (from the logs you pastbin). you can try to make your host to use network interface in another mode, called bridge. |
| 18:53.22 | cybercrypto | miuku24: if you cannot do that, or if it is not possible, then :-) debug firewall. |
| 18:53.39 | ice9 | which is better, to store mails under each use home dir or in /var in one place? |
| 18:53.46 | miuku24 | cybercrypto, the NAT is my router |
| 18:53.59 | miuku24 | there is no way to nat or un-nat virtual machines |
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| 18:54.13 | miuku24 | they are binded to certain port group, which in this case is LAN |
| 18:54.33 | cybercrypto | miuku24: Yeah... ok then... firewall debug is calling you. |
| 18:54.42 | miuku24 | the host does not have any access to internet/ISP |
| 18:54.43 | miuku24 | :) |
| 18:55.19 | miuku24 | weirdest thing here is, that the only issue is with that one address |
| 18:55.30 | cybercrypto | miuku24: you may want to try #networking for more details. perhaps you get better help there. |
| 18:55.40 | miuku24 | yeah true |
| 18:55.53 | greycat | ##networking I believe |
| 18:56.13 | cybercrypto | greycat: correct. |
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| 19:01.09 | miuku24 | funny thing |
| 19:01.31 | miuku24 | i fired up another debian and it has the same issue |
| 19:01.59 | miuku24 | the difference is that its using ipfv6 |
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| 19:53.26 | thatpythonguy | there's a package which has a new version upstream for over a year but the package hasn't been updated. How do i ask for the package to be updated (in unstable i guess)? |
| 19:53.44 | greycat | file a wishlist bug |
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| 19:55.40 | thatpythonguy | thanks, i will try that |
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| 19:56.17 | annadane | hasn't been updated in sid? |
| 19:56.27 | annadane | because stable won't get such a package except through backports until the next stable release |
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| 19:56.46 | thatpythonguy | I'm on testing, but the package isn't updated even in unstable |
| 19:56.52 | annadane | fair enough, then |
| 19:57.44 | y0kowka | heavenO everysoul, how to run .exe file on buster? |
| 19:58.15 | annadane | probably just chmod +x it |
| 19:58.15 | thatpythonguy | in the package tracker, it says "Problems while searching for a new upstream version" under "Action Needed", and under that it says "uscan had problems while searching for a new upsteam version:" and basically says it got an error 429 (too many requests) on the URL |
| 19:58.38 | greycat | usually with wine, I think |
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| 19:58.48 | sney | y0kowka: there's wine for windows apps, mono for .net stuff, and various tools for extracting files from installers and self-executing archives. so what kind of exe file is it |
| 19:58.54 | annadane | ah right, or use wine... depends on the .exe you're talking about |
| 19:59.00 | annadane | i'm so stupid |
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| 20:00.59 | y0kowka | sney, it's setup.exe |
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| 20:04.32 | annadane | still sounds suspiciously like a windows program that you need wine for |
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| 20:04.39 | sney | y0kowka: you probably want wine then. |
| 20:05.06 | thatpythonguy | greycat: what is a "wishlist" bug? I filed a bug using reportbug but never saw that as an option. |
| 20:05.10 | sney | you will need to enable multiarch and install wine from i386. https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage |
| 20:05.45 | trysten | older version of grub need raid metadata version .80 or whatever. since what version of grub can it handle other formats? |
| 20:05.56 | annadane | probably because you have reportbug on novice mode or whatever |
| 20:06.11 | annadane | which sounds ridiculous but it gives you more options if you choose less noob-friendly presets |
| 20:06.15 | thatpythonguy | annadane: yes I did |
| 20:06.30 | annadane | perhaps dpkg-reconfigure reportbug |
| 20:06.39 | sney | novice mode probably hides severity settings to keep newbies from selecting "severe" for everything |
| 20:07.12 | thatpythonguy | haha i couldn't help but think when I saw "severe" as an option that maintainers have a problem with that. |
| 20:07.19 | annadane | or well, i don't know how you "re-run it", to change the "difficulty setting" |
| 20:07.41 | thatpythonguy | annadane: I will likely leave it in novice mode for now but thank you for the explanation |
| 20:08.02 | annadane | if you just file it anyway they'll reassign it if it doesn't fit their criteria |
| 20:08.06 | annadane | not like they'll just flatly reject it |
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| 20:09.37 | annadane | or tell them "this is a wishlist bug pls be nice to me and file it under wishlist" |
| 20:09.51 | y0kowka | sney be YOU bless! |
| 20:09.53 | annadane | "i'll pay you with Pogs" |
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| 20:11.58 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 20:12.05 | neilthereildeil | im having trouble updating my debian sources |
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| 20:13.10 | annadane | okay, put them on paste.debian.net and give us the url so we can look at them |
| 20:13.55 | neilthereildeil | i cant. i dont have X installed :( |
| 20:14.03 | neilthereildeil | and its a minimal system |
| 20:14.19 | annadane | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:14.30 | neilthereildeil | i dont have netcat either :( :( |
| 20:14.35 | neilthereildeil | i cant install it |
| 20:14.35 | annadane | install it |
| 20:14.37 | annadane | ah |
| 20:14.43 | neilthereildeil | whats the package name? netcat? |
| 20:14.51 | greycat | the command is usually nc |
| 20:14.59 | annadane | netcat-traditional or netcat-openbsd i think |
| 20:15.00 | neilthereildeil | how would i install it? |
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| 20:15.04 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 20:15.05 | greycat | you should have nc |
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| 20:15.26 | neilthereildeil | nope |
| 20:15.48 | greycat | ,info netcat-traditional |
| 20:15.49 | judd | Package netcat-traditional (net, standard) in buster/amd64: TCP/IP swiss army knife. Version: 1.10-41.1; Size: 65.3k; Installed: 136k |
| 20:16.17 | annadane | (don't bother with openbsd just install -traditional) |
| 20:16.19 | greycat | how come judd says "standard" but my system says "important" |
| 20:16.32 | neilthereildeil | yea i installed the standard target off the netiso |
| 20:16.49 | somiaj | greycat: is this oldstable or oldoldstable, I think this changed. |
| 20:16.56 | annadane | i have suspicions already of what's wrong |
| 20:17.00 | greycat | then you should have /bin/nc -> /etc/alternatives/nc -> /bin/nc.traditional |
| 20:17.03 | neilthereildeil | hmm what??? |
| 20:17.27 | annadane | but yeah see if you have netcat installed |
| 20:17.33 | neilthereildeil | no i dont have /bin/nc |
| 20:17.49 | greycat | it's either "standard" or "important" so it SHOULD be there |
| 20:18.05 | greycat | unicorn:~$ dpkg -s netcat-traditional | grep Priority |
| 20:18.05 | greycat | Priority: important |
| 20:18.09 | neilthereildeil | so i had trouble in the installation when configuring the package manager |
| 20:18.17 | annadane | yeah, i think i know the issue |
| 20:18.19 | neilthereildeil | it hung when connecting to the mirrors |
| 20:18.29 | annadane | did you copy the image with rufus/unetbootin by any chance? |
| 20:18.31 | neilthereildeil | this is a VM running on Xen by the way |
| 20:18.52 | neilthereildeil | when i got the VM installed, apt-get update takes like 2 hours |
| 20:18.57 | neilthereildeil | i think its an issue with the network |
| 20:19.06 | annadane | that probably sounds closer to the mark |
| 20:19.12 | neilthereildeil | debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:19.17 | neilthereildeil | thats what i used |
| 20:19.27 | neilthereildeil | im trying to disable xen-netfront |
| 20:19.31 | sney | are you using the virtio net adapter? |
| 20:19.35 | neilthereildeil | so i can use the emulated NIC because that has worked |
| 20:19.41 | somiaj | greycat: I see standrd here in buster, also the only thing I see in the change log, is when they put nc in /bin, they suggested raising the package to standard. What version of netcat are you running? |
| 20:19.44 | neilthereildeil | this is a paravirtualized NIC |
| 20:19.49 | neilthereildeil | since i have xen-netfront loaded |
| 20:19.55 | neilthereildeil | but i cannot stop the module from loading |
| 20:20.13 | neilthereildeil | how can i prevent the kernel driver from loading? |
| 20:20.28 | neilthereildeil | i followed the debian website |
| 20:20.38 | neilthereildeil | of adding the blacklist module |
| 20:20.43 | neilthereildeil | but and depmod -ae |
| 20:20.50 | neilthereildeil | but when i rebooted, it still loaded |
| 20:20.57 | neilthereildeil | i also tried renaming the .ko |
| 20:21.02 | somiaj | greycat: oh I think I see the issue (might be a bug). But apt has diffrent info than the package. apt thinks it is standard, but the package itself things it is important (look at apt show netcat-traditional) |
| 20:21.06 | neilthereildeil | but lsmod still shows xen-netfront as loaded |
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| 20:21.34 | sney | neilthereildeil: did you run update-initramfs -u after adding the blacklist entry? |
| 20:21.43 | neilthereildeil | umm no |
| 20:22.02 | neilthereildeil | but im seeing it loaded AFTER the kernel has booted |
| 20:22.02 | sney | try that. the module is probably in the initrd, so it's loading before anything in /etc/modprobe.d gets read |
| 20:22.03 | greycat | somiaj: that's weird. |
| 20:22.07 | neilthereildeil | whats the connection with the initramfs? |
| 20:22.14 | neilthereildeil | ok |
| 20:22.39 | neilthereildeil | do ko drivers in initramfs stay loaded when the kernel comes up |
| 20:22.40 | neilthereildeil | ? |
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| 20:23.18 | sney | modules that are in the initrd load before any other module config is read, so they just stay loaded |
| 20:23.30 | somiaj | greycat: yea, wonder why it is different, I would have thought it got the info from the same control file in the package. |
| 20:23.46 | sney | the order is this: kernel, initrd, anything else on disk |
| 20:23.55 | rrttyy | Neither chrome nor chromium can access the microphone or the webcam. What could be the reason for this? |
| 20:24.05 | rrttyy | Firefox seems to work. |
| 20:24.06 | neilthereildeil | what??? i thought initrd comes up BEFORE the kernel |
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| 20:24.13 | sney | that would be impossible. |
| 20:24.41 | neilthereildeil | initrd has the drivers needed to read the kernel off the FS |
| 20:24.56 | neilthereildeil | im pretty sure initrd loads the kernel |
| 20:24.57 | sney | the bootloader provides that bit of tape |
| 20:25.39 | sney | I know this because I've been dealing with linux stuff since the days when there wasn't always an initrd present |
| 20:26.02 | usr01234321eq111 | hi. would be off-topic if i ask about a problem with a wifi usb card? |
| 20:26.12 | neilthereildeil | ok, so ur saying the KERNEL loads the initramfs?? |
| 20:26.16 | sney | usr01234321eq111: nope that's on-topic as long as you're using debian |
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| 20:26.30 | somiaj | usr01234321eq111: is your problem using the usbwifi card on debian? Have you installed the firmware for the card (most common issue) |
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| 20:27.26 | neilthereildeil | debian docs say "The basic initramfs is the root filesystem image used for booting the kernel provided as a compressed cpio archive." |
| 20:27.34 | neilthereildeil | initramfs boots the kernel |
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| 20:28.23 | sney | you are free to insist on believing that if you want. but in any case, if you rebuild the initramfs after blacklisting a module, it'll no longer be in the initramfs and it will no longer load |
| 20:28.59 | usr01234321eq111 | right. i got it. dmesg says that it's a rlt819x |
| 20:29.10 | sney | !realtek firmware |
| 20:29.11 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
| 20:29.39 | neilthereildeil | sney: so i just reblacklisted the module and updated initramfs, and the driver is still loaded |
| 20:29.54 | sney | reblacklisted? |
| 20:30.04 | neilthereildeil | i added "blacklist xen_netfront" to /etc/modprobe.d/xen_netfront |
| 20:30.12 | neilthereildeil | and ran depmod -ae |
| 20:30.17 | neilthereildeil | and recreated initramfs |
| 20:30.34 | sney | and rebooted the vm? |
| 20:30.36 | neilthereildeil | but xen_netfront still loads |
| 20:30.39 | neilthereildeil | yep i rebooted |
| 20:30.58 | sney | can you unload the module with modprobe -r? |
| 20:30.59 | neilthereildeil | lsmod still shows xen_netfront |
| 20:31.05 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry: rtl8192cu: MAC auto ON okay! |
| 20:31.16 | greycat | the two examples in dpkg's "blacklist" factoid have a filename ending with .conf |
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| 20:31.43 | greycat | dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 20:31.43 | neilthereildeil | greycat: oops |
| 20:31.44 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run «update-initramfs -u» in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 20:32.30 | greycat | I don't know where the actual documentation is |
| 20:33.29 | usr01234321eq111 | yes: the system recognizes it, but, how could i say, "doesn't mount it" (sorry, i only have experience with usb devices) |
| 20:33.41 | neilthereildeil | ok that worked |
| 20:33.45 | neilthereildeil | thanks guys! |
| 20:33.57 | sney | usr01234321eq111: look at dpkg's message above, there is instructions for installing the firmware for your realtek nic |
| 20:34.49 | sney | devices that need firmware will be visible, they just won't work or will be missing features |
| 20:35.02 | neilthereildeil | sney: thanks |
| 20:35.08 | sney | np |
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| 20:36.42 | usr01234321eq111 | dpkg blacklist-initramfs says that i need an option |
| 20:36.42 | dpkg | usr01234321eq111: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:36.56 | usr01234321eq111 | no |
| 20:37.10 | sney | usr01234321eq111: the blacklist-initramfs hint was for someone else, you want the one that says realtek firmware |
| 20:37.12 | usr01234321eq111 | what's a breadbox? |
| 20:37.32 | sney | !realtek firmware |
| 20:37.32 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
| 20:37.35 | sney | there it is again ^ |
| 20:37.37 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry |
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| 20:38.14 | usr01234321eq111 | !realtek firmware rtl8192cu |
| 20:38.51 | greycat | !rtl8192cu |
| 20:38.51 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 20:39.51 | sney | !non-free sources |
| 20:39.52 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 20:44.43 | usr01234321eq111 | well, reading kinfocenter, i don't understand |
| 20:46.27 | usr01234321eq111 | what should i search and/or install? |
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| 20:47.15 | usr01234321eq111 | wait: should i edit sources.list? |
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| 20:49.54 | sswaffen | I have dell venue 11 tablet which has ath6kl 6004 wifi card, but during installing I can't turn on wifi, it asks for usb\media\cd drive with firmware i guess |
| 20:50.17 | sney | !firmware image |
| 20:50.18 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:50.38 | sney | using the firmware installer is usually the easiest route when setting up a laptop with non-free wifi |
| 20:51.32 | usr01234321eq111 | do you mean that i have wifi because of a non-free, what? |
| 20:52.12 | sney | usr01234321eq111: yes, edit sources.list so your mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main" |
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| 20:52.52 | usr01234321eq111 | @sney what if it ends with main? |
| 20:53.11 | sney | usr01234321eq111: then you add 'contrib non-free' and save the file |
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| 20:55.09 | usr01234321eq111 | @sney then run apt update? |
| 20:55.16 | sney | usr01234321eq111: yes. |
| 20:55.30 | usr01234321eq111 | @sney 10-4! |
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| 20:56.52 | usr01234321eq111 | @sney then upgrade? or just install the driver? (which? rtl819x?) |
| 20:56.52 | sswaffen | What to do in case if wifi is only option of internet-access? |
| 20:57.13 | sney | usr01234321eq111: as the instructions said, install the 'firmware-realtek' package. |
| 20:57.15 | sswaffen | And my wifi drivers are not free software |
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| 20:57.34 | neilthereildeil | sney: how can i confirm that i cannot apt-get upgrade because of network xonnectivity due to my paravirtual NIC? |
| 20:57.46 | neilthereildeil | i can ping the internet |
| 20:57.56 | neilthereildeil | but dowloading on a few KB of data takes hour |
| 20:57.57 | neilthereildeil | s |
| 20:58.08 | sney | sswaffen: do you have access to the internet other than the laptop you're trying to install debian on? |
| 20:58.33 | sney | neilthereildeil: that sounds like proof to me. does it work as expected with the non-virtio emulated hardware? |
| 20:59.10 | neilthereildeil | on my host (also running debian), apt-get update works fine |
| 20:59.27 | usr01234321eq111 | @neilthereildeil so, you're running a vm? |
| 20:59.36 | neilthereildeil | yea with debian inside it |
| 20:59.40 | neilthereildeil | using Xen hypervisor |
| 20:59.46 | usr01234321eq111 | oh |
| 21:00.25 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry, i don't have experience with it. in fact, once i installed it in linux mint, and everything went wrong |
| 21:01.27 | allizom | sswaffen: you can supply the firmware files to the installer, or use an installer which comes bundled with those files as suggested before. You can also do an offline install and then copy firmware files in the appropriate directory |
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| 21:09.25 | usr01234321eq111 | could someone knows if i could install an emulator of 64 bits on a i386 |
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| 21:11.04 | sney | I think technically you can but it would be extremely slow |
| 21:11.34 | sney | I remember there being amd64 emulators available back when nobody had the CPU hardware yet but it just runs the whole thing in software |
| 21:13.13 | usr01234321eq111 | @sney how could you run a system of 64 bits in a 86, or a 32 bits? |
| 21:13.44 | sney | why do you want to do that? |
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| 21:16.23 | usr01234321eq111 | to solve the problem of this guy and mine problem too |
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| 21:17.13 | usr01234321eq111 | even i ran qemu with success, i search other things |
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| 21:21.36 | usr01234321eq111 | all right, back in the problem of both. sorry |
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| 21:24.09 | usr01234321eq111 | install which driver? |
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| 21:24.23 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry, i'm not kidding |
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| 21:28.48 | usr01234321eq111 | there's no other way to solve this more easy? |
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| 21:29.57 | usr01234321eq111 | hello? |
| 21:30.26 | Cyb0ti | Hello |
| 21:30.37 | dvs | hello! |
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| 21:30.47 | annadane | HELLO |
| 21:31.00 | usr01234321eq111 | @annadane sorry :( |
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| 21:31.28 | annadane | let me read the scrollback and see if i can actually answer your question :P |
| 21:31.45 | annadane | driver for what? |
| 21:31.59 | usr01234321eq111 | @annadane for a wifi usb card |
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| 21:32.12 | annadane | oh that sounds easy |
| 21:32.17 | annadane | dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 21:32.22 | annadane | and paste the output |
| 21:32.24 | annadane | !paste |
| 21:32.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 21:35.53 | usr01234321eq111 | http://paste.debian.net/1138968/ |
| 21:36.40 | annadane | pretty sure you just need firmware-realtek |
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| 21:39.23 | dvs | usr01234321eq111, you also need firmware-siano |
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| 21:48.16 | usr01234321eq111 | apt search throws: nothing |
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| 21:49.17 | usr01234321eq111 | no siano, nor realtek |
| 21:49.18 | dvs | !non-free |
| 21:49.18 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
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| 21:56.14 | usr01234321eq111 | !non-free list |
| 21:56.14 | dpkg | To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>. |
| 21:57.12 | usr01234321eq111 | aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)' how i use it? |
| 21:57.22 | annadane | you don't need that |
| 21:57.37 | sney | that is a command to see what non-free packages are on your system, as it says right there |
| 21:57.37 | annadane | just add contrib non-free at the end of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list lines |
| 21:57.51 | annadane | apt update, and then apt install firmware-realtek firmware-siano |
| 21:57.53 | usr01234321eq111 | done |
| 21:58.38 | annadane | and then when they're installed reboot |
| 21:58.46 | usr01234321eq111 | it says package don't found |
| 21:58.58 | annadane | how did you edit your sources.list |
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| 21:59.20 | usr01234321eq111 | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:59.34 | annadane | did it save your changes? nano is a bit hard to get the hand of for new users |
| 21:59.44 | annadane | hang of* |
| 22:00.06 | annadane | remember you need to "apt update" after editing your file |
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| 22:01.59 | usr01234321eq111 | "main contrib-non free" at the end of each line? |
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| 22:02.29 | annadane | main contrib non-free |
| 22:02.36 | usr01234321eq111 | right |
| 22:02.48 | sney | it should look like: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 22:03.01 | annadane | please obey the rule of proper hyphens https://xkcd.com/37/ |
| 22:03.18 | sney | strictly speaking, you could have *just that one line* in sources.list and it will be fine |
| 22:03.18 | annadane | yes i know i ruined your life; you're welcome |
| 22:03.24 | sney | !tell annadane about offtopic |
| 22:04.24 | usr01234321eq111 | sorry, but what i've done? |
| 22:04.32 | sney | it should look like: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 22:05.01 | sney | then press ctrl+x and enter to save and exit nano. then run 'apt update'. |
| 22:05.04 | annadane | (but don't have just that one line, there are others; that's just an example of how main contrib non-free should look) |
| 22:07.28 | usr01234321eq111 | all right. i've done: 1) edit the lines, modify all them; 2) save, ran "apt update" and "apt upgrade" (using sudo); 3) try to install both with apt. nothing works. it says that it cannot find the package |
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| 22:07.45 | sney | what happens when you run apt update? are there any 404s? |
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| 22:08.59 | sney | also, are you *sure* the lines in sources.list matched the one I showed you? they didn't only say security.debian.org ? |
| 22:09.42 | Mathisen | usr01234321eq111, run this please and give uss the url it gives you. > cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io |
| 22:09.52 | Mathisen | no need to keep guessing here |
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| 22:12.55 | usr01234321eq111 | no. sudo > cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io says: sudo: /etc/apt/sources.list: command not found |
| 22:13.21 | Mathisen | no > |
| 22:13.30 | Mathisen | just cat ..... |
| 22:13.55 | sney | no sudo needed, either |
| 22:14.41 | usr01234321eq111 | http://ix.io/2h6n |
| 22:14.54 | annadane | looks good here |
| 22:15.11 | Mathisen | usr01234321eq111, and what package you trying to install ? |
| 22:15.12 | sney | nope, hyphen in the wrong place |
| 22:15.15 | annadane | ah, no |
| 22:15.21 | annadane | hahaha right after i posted that too |
| 22:15.30 | annadane | usr01234321eq111, "main contrib non-free" |
| 22:15.32 | annadane | (no quotes) |
| 22:16.00 | usr01234321eq111 | this-> http://ix.io/2h6n |
| 22:16.21 | sney | usr01234321eq111: yes, you put the hyphen in the wrong place, it is contrib non-free not contrib-non free |
| 22:16.25 | annadane | you have main contrib-non free when it should be main contrib non-free |
| 22:17.09 | usr01234321eq111 | oh god. oh, no. wasting all this time. just for... |
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| 22:18.29 | usr01234321eq111 | ready |
| 22:18.46 | usr01234321eq111 | sudo apt update works fine!! |
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| 22:23.06 | usr01234321eq111 | It's over. |
| 22:23.33 | annadane | once you've installed the firmware packages you'll need to reboot |
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| 22:23.58 | usr01234321eq111 | I reboot and see if it works. I couldn't give you more thanks, but thank you all. |
| 22:26.01 | usr01234321eq111 | Bye |
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| 22:44.49 | usr01234321eq111 | hi |
| 22:44.55 | usr01234321eq111 | it worked |
| 22:45.01 | sney | nice |
| 22:45.12 | usr01234321eq111 | the thing about the chipset |
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| 22:45.52 | usr01234321eq111 | so, if you're not sick of me, i will be writing that now my system "mounted it" |
| 22:46.01 | usr01234321eq111 | but it's not over yet |
| 22:46.24 | usr01234321eq111 | dmesg says: wlx6470020a21e7: aborting authentication with 10:fe:ed:90:49:38 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING) |
| 22:46.37 | usr01234321eq111 | which is my usb wifi card |
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| 22:50.38 | ghormoon | hi, is there sometging like mdb-sql that would also be able to run update queries on ms access dbs? |
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| 22:54.08 | usr01234321eq111 | https://file.io/AAmvqr |
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| 23:05.12 | usr01234321eq111 | Hey, I think I really need to study this. Not just ask for help, harassing. Your time doesn't deserve to be wasted in a very new fanatic like I am. |
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| 23:05.56 | usr01234321eq111 | So, I'll study like I was doing: an autodidact. Thanks you all. |
| 23:05.59 | usr01234321eq111 | ./quit |
| 23:06.04 | usr01234321eq111 | exit |
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