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| 00:00.19 | ratrace | Lope: technically you need ssl = yes, but rhere's a number of TLS related params to tune and configure |
| 00:00.24 | ratrace | *there |
| 00:00.35 | Lope | ratrace, beyond ciphers? |
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| 00:01.29 | ratrace | Lope: well you need the cert, the key, the ciphers, protocols (eg. it still defaults to TLSv1.0+), and disable plaintext auth (aka refuse auth if set over unencrypted connection) |
| 00:01.45 | ratrace | that's the thing I mentioned before. the server might reject auth, but the client has already commited the crime. |
| 00:01.57 | Lope | ratrace, haha, i used iredmail and assumed it would setup sane options. |
| 00:02.08 | Lope | gotcha |
| 00:03.01 | ratrace | Rozha: if I'm understanding what you're saying (and PLEASE USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE!) you need to install MySQL. which is MariaDB these days, so I suppose you need to apt install mariadb-server-10.3 |
| 00:03.16 | Rozha | ratrace https doesn`t work |
| 00:03.29 | ratrace | Rozha: yes you need to set up a certificate... |
| 00:03.32 | Lope | ratrace, how does this look? https://zurgl.com/how-to-configure-tls-encryption-in-dovecot/ |
| 00:04.02 | ratrace | Lope: that block with ssl_* vars is all you need |
| 00:04.03 | Rozha | ratrace how to do that ? |
| 00:04.28 | Lope | ratrace, cool, does postfix need any mods? |
| 00:04.35 | ratrace | Lope: for what? |
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| 00:04.45 | Lope | dunno, anything relating to the TLS stuff |
| 00:04.53 | Lope | what about SMTP? |
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| 00:05.11 | ratrace | Rozha: buy it or use a letsencrypt client. certbot if I'm not mistaken is a kitchen-sink suite these days. personally I prefer dehydrated. lightweight and simple but not for novices. |
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| 00:05.31 | joepublic | I like certbot a lot. dead easy. |
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| 00:06.14 | Lope | Rozha, you can use a custom domain with protonmail if you want ultra easy. |
| 00:06.21 | ratrace | Lope: nah it also has all the options to enable ssl, set up certs etc... it has a bit more, as it separates smtp from smtpd, and you need to enable services via master.cf for dedicated ports (aka smtps and submissions .. thta's not pluraral, that's "s" for "secrue") |
| 00:06.25 | joepublic | you say "go go gadget certbot" and it asks you a single-digit number of questions and says "all done" and keeps up with it for you. All computer software should take inspiration from this. |
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| 00:07.17 | ratrace | joepublic: for novices yes, but once the novices graduate, it's just a megaton of highly opinionated bloatware. |
| 00:07.57 | ratrace | dehydrated is a SINGLE shellscript that does all the work you need, and you write a simple hook.sh for various stages of operation, to interact with your httpd or dns, to install certs, to report errors. 'n stuff. |
| 00:07.59 | Gerowen | joepublic: I installed certbot on my Apache/Nextcloud server because there were a handful of apps that didn't like connecting with my self-signed certificate. Plus the fact that it auto-renews and gets fresh certs every 3 months means I don't have to babysit. |
| 00:08.02 | joepublic | i find that the older I get, the more I mentally transpose that into "one less thing to worry about" - even if they don't do it exactly as I would, it's being done, strike one thing off my list |
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| 00:09.38 | ratrace | and I find the older I get I'm way more grumpier and prefer simplicity and control, over opinionated bloatware written by a PFY hipster who just learned electron two days before their first release of CoolSoftware-ng. Now.... get off my lawn :) |
| 00:10.11 | joepublic | upon consideration, I think that you should either use dehydrated, or manually procure and install the keyus |
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| 00:10.57 | tds | likes mod_md |
| 00:11.00 | ratrace | well I did and do recommend certbot for novices. :) just stating my non-novice preference. |
| 00:11.08 | tds | few lines of apache config and it's magically obtained certs |
| 00:11.44 | annadane | i have a very stupid question, if i accidentally mark something as manually installed <apt install foo when foo is already installed> is it a good idea to set it to automatic again, or does it not matter... i'm just thinking in terms of autoremove lists |
| 00:11.47 | ratrace | tds: in hook.sh? |
| 00:12.15 | ratrace | annadane: I'd prefer to revert it back to automatic. My OCD would kill me if it found out I allowed unneeded packages to remain installed. |
| 00:12.33 | tds | ratrace: no, it's a full acme client of its own |
| 00:12.41 | ratrace | oh, I see |
| 00:12.59 | annadane | yeah i'm OCD about it too i just wondered if it was like, a common thing people did |
| 00:13.21 | annadane | but yeah i do want the proper stuff marked as manual so it gets taken out with autoremove |
| 00:13.26 | annadane | i guess i could've answered my own questio |
| 00:13.27 | annadane | n |
| 00:13.31 | annadane | <-- big idiot |
| 00:13.33 | ratrace | you mean "auto" |
| 00:13.40 | annadane | auto, right |
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| 00:14.20 | tds | the main annoyance is that you need apache2 from buster-backports to get a mod_md new enough to talk acmev2 :/ |
| 00:14.23 | ratrace | if only I had a nickel for every time I answered my own question on IRC by virtue of asking it :) |
| 00:14.35 | annadane | apt needs a, like, "do you want me to warn you when you're about to set something as manually installed with apt install" |
| 00:14.44 | joepublic | I would buy a rubber duck but irc is more stimulating |
| 00:14.45 | ratrace | I'd have dozens of nickels. |
| 00:15.37 | ratrace | tds: that limits it to apache only? can you use that to dispatch the same certs to other services that are using the same domain names? |
| 00:15.38 | sponix2ipfw | tds: apache2 from backports works well for me |
| 00:15.39 | Lope | ratrace, what about port 993? |
| 00:15.41 | annadane | "don't warn me when i apt-mark manual foo but do warn me when i type apt install foo because if i'm typing apt install foo 99.9999% of the time i'm making a mistake and trying to install something i already have installed, not trying to mark it as manual" |
| 00:16.05 | ratrace | Lope: yes, that's for imap. and 995 if you allow pop3 |
| 00:16.29 | sponix2ipfw | annadane: I agree. That is common for me also |
| 00:16.33 | Lope | ratrace, but you suggested using port 465? |
| 00:16.34 | ratrace | ugh... imaps and pop3s respectively |
| 00:16.41 | ratrace | Lope: yes for Postfix and submission |
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| 00:16.55 | ratrace | (it was in reply to someone mentioning 587) |
| 00:17.06 | Lope | oh, alrighty, so 465 is for postfix |
| 00:17.09 | tds | ratrace - yep, https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_md.html#mdnotifycmd |
| 00:17.17 | Lope | cool. |
| 00:17.40 | ratrace | tds: oh nice |
| 00:18.15 | Jaami | debian non-free net and non-free dvd both failed. every time setup when start it shows many mount errors and then finally go for cd-rom check and never passed through that point. what shoul i do next? |
| 00:18.31 | tds | though I still quite like dehydrated as a standalone acme client, for other services or whatever - but the simplicity of just being able to magically enable tls for a vhost is great with mod_md |
| 00:18.43 | Lope | ratrace, I've got "ssl_min_protocol = TLSv1.2" but how do I prevent 1.3? |
| 00:18.47 | ratrace | Jaami: did you verify the ISO you downloaded has the correct checksum? |
| 00:19.02 | ratrace | Lope: why would you want that? |
| 00:19.08 | Jaami | no idid not do that check |
| 00:19.15 | Lope | ratrace, isn't TLS1.3 compromised? |
| 00:19.33 | ratrace | Lope: no, it's the latest shiny thing in TLS protocols, most securest! |
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| 00:19.44 | ratrace | Lope: maybe you were thinking of SSLv3 |
| 00:19.48 | Lope | ah, I was getting mixed up yeah. |
| 00:20.06 | annadane | i wonder if i file a wishlist bug against apt whether that will happen for debian 11 |
| 00:20.14 | annadane | may as well try |
| 00:20.20 | ratrace | the order is SSLv1 < SSLv2 < SSLv3 < TLS1.0 < TLS1.1 < TLS1.2 < TLS1.3 |
| 00:20.56 | ratrace | TLSv1.2 should be minimum, unless (like me) you need to support Outlook 2010....... |
| 00:21.08 | ratrace | (then you need TLSv1.0 as minimum) |
| 00:21.32 | Lope | ratrace, then authentication method should be "normal password" ? |
| 00:22.12 | ratrace | yes. plaintext over TLS. there's things like challenge-response, microsoft's LOGIN, cram* etc... but with TLS you don't need any of those |
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| 00:23.23 | ratrace | Lope: btw, there's #postfix and #dovecot here on Freenode, for dedicated support, so #debian isn't cluttered with such highly specific topics |
| 00:23.42 | tds | and ##email for something a bit more generic if you need it :) |
| 00:23.50 | ratrace | right. |
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| 00:26.46 | tharkun | ratrace: An aplogy to those who deserve it. I read the full RFC8314 and you are totally right. I got confused with smtps |
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| 00:35.08 | lwp | Jaami, let's talk about how you wrote the .iso onto your USB again. If you are using rufus, you MUST use the "DD" mode |
| 00:37.55 | doubletwist | In buster, I see the 'logrotate.service' daemon is enabled but 'dead'. It seems like it's run by systemd timer instead of cron now, so is that the expected state for this service? |
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| 00:38.47 | tds | yes (unless logrotate is actively running) |
| 00:39.15 | tds | if you `systemctl list-timers` you'll see when it will next run |
| 00:39.23 | doubletwist | which should only be sporadically and for a short period of time I assume? I ask because I'm trying to figure out how to tell Saltstack to manage the service |
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| 00:39.58 | tds | yep |
| 00:40.16 | tds | what are you trying to manage exactly? you'll want to ensure the timer is enabled and started, but that should be the default state when the package is installed |
| 00:41.37 | doubletwist | Well I'm modifying an existing formula which historically has managed logrotate on RedHat based systems, which tells the system to have a service enabled and running. In RedHat it's the 'crond' service that it's looking for. I told it to manage 'logrotate' instead but of course it (by default) tries to |
| 00:41.52 | doubletwist | start the service, which then goes dead practically immediately, so it shows up as a failure |
| 00:41.56 | doubletwist | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.06 | tds | you could try telling it to manage logrotate.timer |
| 00:42.15 | doubletwist | Yeah that makes sense |
| 00:42.18 | doubletwist | Thanks |
| 00:42.36 | doubletwist | what version of Debian did that change happen in? |
| 00:43.19 | doubletwist | And has Ubuntu picked up that change (and if so when?) if you happen to know |
| 00:44.37 | tds | i don't know off hand, sorry |
| 00:45.04 | tds | certainly checking an ubuntu 18.04 box, it still looks to be run off cron |
| 00:45.46 | doubletwist | my 19.10 box is using systemd.timer |
| 00:45.57 | doubletwist | Ok cool. Thanks |
| 00:46.25 | tds | https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/logrotate/logrotate_3.14.0-4_changelog suggests it changed in 3.14.0-1 |
| 00:46.49 | doubletwist | Looks like RedHat systems might start using it soon too. Not sure if it's there in EL8 (I don't have any) but I guess i'll burn that bridge when I get there. :) |
| 00:46.52 | doubletwist | Thanks again |
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| 00:48.32 | tds | if you're monitoring anything via this, probably also worth checking logrotate.service isn't failed |
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| 00:57.36 | doubletwist | Yeah not monitoring to that level yet |
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| 01:04.49 | jstarcher | hello |
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| 01:06.10 | dvs | whaddap |
| 01:07.32 | jstarcher | I destroyed my ubuntu 19.04 system by installing a debian package like this: dpkg -i libcurl3-gnutls_7.64.0-4_amd64.deb |
| 01:07.53 | jstarcher | now I get an error The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:07.53 | jstarcher | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.59 | jstarcher | how can I roll that back? |
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| 01:09.47 | Gerowen | jstarcher: You should just be able to apt remove the package name; sudo apt remove libcurl3-gnutls |
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| 01:11.03 | jstarcher | Gerowen: bunch of things depend on the package :( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xhvKRw5GFw/ |
| 01:11.19 | jstarcher | do I need to uninstall all of those packages that depend on it just to fix this? |
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| 01:17.22 | Gerowen | I'm guessing it upgraded your installed version then? I'm not certain, but you might try doing apt clean to delete the cached copy of the deb you installed, if it's cached, followed by an apt reinstall packagename |
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| 01:17.53 | Gerowen | There's also a #ubuntu channel where you can ask the Ubuntu centric community if you don't get an answer here. |
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| 01:20.36 | jstarcher | yep, got an anwer there. Thanks! |
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| 02:35.45 | BloatHunter | Why does gstreamer1.0-plugins-good depend on libavc1394-0? How do I get this demoted to recommended package metadata? |
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| 02:42.56 | BloatHunter | Steve Jobs declared FireWire dead in 2008... |
| 02:44.03 | themill | If 60k of disk space is a problem for you, then don't use a binary distribution like Debian. |
| 02:44.59 | BloatHunter | At best its bloat, at worst its a security concern. "Therefore in October 2015, the 1394 Trade Association board of directors voted to close official operations[...]" |
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| 02:46.05 | themill | you'd have to ask gstreamer to stop shipping libgst1394.so |
| 02:46.25 | themill | and yeah, a .so on disk is not a security concern. |
| 02:48.13 | themill | Considering that there are still plenty of people out there with 1394 cameras that work just fine, I doubt anyone is going to be interested in removing working software from under them |
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| 02:49.21 | BloatHunter | I never said I wanted it removed? I just don't see it as a depends. |
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| 02:49.39 | BloatHunter | The last firewire camera was... the s1600? |
| 02:50.01 | usr01234321eq111 | firewire... where did I heard it before |
| 02:50.16 | themill | it can't be a recommends |
| 02:50.22 | BloatHunter | A graveyard of failed Apple/Sony/Panasonic ideas from the 80's |
| 02:51.07 | themill | There are still firewire cameras on sale now. |
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| 04:01.41 | annadane | ^ sent them a memoserv |
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| 04:24.23 | BloatHunter | Can you create a debian rootfs from within an arch installation? |
| 04:24.24 | ensamvarg_ | Good morning guys. I've set up a small FreeBSD host for my own: https://outanekka.kiess.onl/i/21 |
| 04:24.41 | ensamvarg_ | Oh, wrong channel, sorry. |
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| 04:27.22 | jm_ | BloatHunter: you can with debootstrap |
| 04:28.05 | BloatHunter | Does it "last". |
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| 04:30.25 | jm_ | what? |
| 04:30.47 | jim | ratrace, it's dad, jim... |
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| 04:33.23 | dadinn | hi all |
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| 04:34.32 | jim | hi |
| 04:35.38 | dadinn | I have a question about mkfs.ext4... Does anyone know what the -j option supposed to do? the manpage says it create a filesystem with ext3 journal... can't find anything on the internets about what this means |
| 04:36.19 | dadinn | ext3 journals on ext4? Google hasn't heard about it for sure |
| 04:38.31 | derpadmin | dadinn : I guess the difference would be in the metadata of the inodes... let me look it up :) |
| 04:38.57 | dadinn | i have some old codebase with this line: `mkfs.ext4 -q -m 0 -j /dev/sda1` |
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| 04:39.12 | jim | I wonder if the journal format between ext3 and ext4 didn't change? |
| 04:39.20 | jm_ | all mkfs.ext* man pages point to the same file, it appears no-one changed this to say ext4 |
| 04:41.00 | dadinn | it is supposed to format a boot partition, and I vaguely remember I have copied this code because somehow it might disable journaling... which i don't think it does |
| 04:41.20 | BloatHunter | When is debian getting f2fs option by default |
| 04:42.09 | jim | jm_, yep, no doubt... even mkfs.ext2 seems to have -j and -J, which say -j makes an ext3 journal |
| 04:42.33 | dadinn | jim: the manpage definitely says Create the filesystem with an ext3 journal. If the -J option is not specified, the default journal parameters will be used to create an appropriately sized journal (given the size of the filesystem) stored within the filesystem. Note that you must be using a kernel which has ext3 support in order to actually make use of the journal. |
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| 04:43.22 | jim | dadinn, if the man page is the same file... I just read it twice! |
| 04:45.14 | dadinn | jim: pardon? |
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| 04:46.32 | jim | so then maybe there -is- a different ext4 journal... the man pages being the same probably means we just don't know yet |
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| 04:49.22 | dadinn | jim: ah, I see you mean the same manpage is used for ext2,3,4... didn't notice :/ |
| 04:49.44 | jim | neither did I at first :) |
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| 04:56.23 | dadinn | it seems it's not me only on the internets who happen to have copypasted the same codez: |
| 04:56.38 | dadinn | http://paste.openstack.org/show/654140/ |
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| 04:59.43 | dadinn | the -m 0 is ok, the manual is quite clear on what it does... but this -j :/ |
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| 05:15.06 | BloatHunter | Does bullseye work with f2fs and runit? |
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| 05:30.31 | annadane | BloatHunter, try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:32.35 | bt40 | I want to install debian on my smartphone (debian-arm). Not side by side, clean install. is it possible? If only touch-display and network work, it will be fine for me. |
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| 05:35.41 | badar | hello |
| 05:35.52 | badar | i have this problem, how to resolve it |
| 05:36.02 | badar | root@debian:/home/bdr/Downloads# apt autoremove |
| 05:36.02 | badar | Reading package lists... Done |
| 05:36.02 | badar | Building dependency tree |
| 05:36.02 | badar | Reading state information... Done |
| 05:36.02 | badar | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 05:38.20 | annadane | badar, paste.debian.net |
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| 05:40.22 | badar | sorry guyz, how can i resolve this http://paste.debian.net/1139458 |
| 05:41.02 | annadane | oh that's interesting |
| 05:41.10 | annadane | i'm not sure how to fix that, wait a while and someone else may know |
| 05:41.40 | badar | i don't have nvidia so i don't know how it got installed |
| 05:42.35 | badar | ok sure |
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| 05:43.48 | annadane | is this debian stable by the way? |
| 05:43.57 | badar | yes |
| 05:43.58 | themill | Looks like #917267 |
| 05:43.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/917267 in glx-diversions (open, unreproducible): «glx-diversions cannot be uninstalled»; severity: important; opened: 2018-12-25; last modified: 2019-04-05. |
| 05:45.13 | themill | does /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.7.0 exist at present? What package owns it (dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1.7.0) |
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| 05:47.56 | badar | http://paste.debian.net/1139459 i get this |
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| 06:18.20 | laughingtiger | I have a strange problem, on windows when I play 1080p videos in full screen mode, there's a line on the right side of the screen, the color on the two sides of the line is different. on debian 10 same video, same machine but no such a problem. I'm just trying to look for an answer here so pls don't feel be annoyed because I couldn't find any elsewhere. |
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| 06:19.26 | laughingtiger | a vertical line. upgrad video card driver didn't solve it. |
| 06:21.03 | laughingtiger | if you say it's video's problem because some 2160p video I don't remember have this problem, why on debian it's ok to play without this problem? |
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| 06:21.42 | laughingtiger | windows doesn't even have a irc channel. |
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| 06:25.41 | somiaj | laughingtiger: ##windows |
| 06:25.51 | somiaj | though it is unoffical, there is one |
| 06:26.18 | laughingtiger | somiaj, thank you. |
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| 06:27.18 | kingsley | laughingtiger: So, is my understanding correct that the same 1080p video, hardware and full screen mode renders a line of the right side of your screen on Windows, but not on Debian 10? |
| 06:27.46 | laughingtiger | kingsley, yes it is the case. |
| 06:28.28 | kingsley | laughingtiger: OK, thank you for clarifying. What do you want? |
| 06:28.43 | laughingtiger | even with the same mpv player. I wonder if it's the windows version's mpv's problem. |
| 06:29.43 | laughingtiger | kingsley, lol, I'm just desperate to find a solution to this problem, since I couldn't find any, not even a similar case like mine on google or bing. |
| 06:30.08 | laughingtiger | but I've tried some other players, all showed the same result. |
| 06:30.53 | kingsley | laughingtiger: So, is my underderstanding correct that you want to watch the 1080p video Windows without the extra line on the right side of your screen? |
| 06:31.32 | laughingtiger | kingsley, yes, but are you kidding me? |
| 06:32.02 | kingsley | laughingtiger: OK, no. Thank you for clarifying. |
| 06:32.28 | laughingtiger | :) |
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| 06:33.42 | kingsley | laughingtiger: Have you tried... |
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| 06:35.15 | kingsley | 1.) Using a search engine like Google's or DuckDuckGo's to look for web pages containing windows, bug, vertical line video and the name of your video card? |
| 06:35.29 | kingsley | 2.) Asking in ##windows? |
| 06:36.43 | kingsley | 3.) Asking in an IRC channel for the company that made your video card? (I suppose there may be channels with names like "nvidia" and "amd".) |
| 06:36.48 | laughingtiger | kingsley, let me try your No.1 advice. I just found out there's a ##windows channel and it's not helping. |
| 06:39.38 | laughingtiger | kingsley, it seems all the seach results are about physically broken screens. |
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| 06:41.53 | kingsley | laughingtiger: What key words did you search for? |
| 06:42.56 | laughingtiger | kingsley, like "windows 10 veritical line when playing videos asus" |
| 06:43.44 | kingsley | laughingtiger: Do you know which company made your video card? |
| 06:44.00 | laughingtiger | kingsley, it's a intel and nvidia hybrid. |
| 06:44.24 | kingsley | laughingtiger: Do you know its name and/or model number? |
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| 06:47.19 | Haohmaru | it might help to see a screenshot of the vertical line |
| 06:47.40 | laughingtiger | kingsley, let me check it. |
| 06:48.26 | Haohmaru | iirc, mpv should have tons of options for the decoding, and displaying of the videos.. btw |
| 06:48.38 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, oh right you reminded me that when the video is paused, the line disappeared, it only appears when the video is playing. |
| 06:48.45 | Haohmaru | some combinations might not work |
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| 06:49.14 | Haohmaru | also, you could try playing the video with another player |
| 06:49.39 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, I've tried that. |
| 06:50.00 | kingsley | laughingtiger: So maybe "pause" would be another key word to searched for. |
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| 06:51.04 | laughingtiger | kingsley, yes, I'll give it a try. |
| 06:52.18 | laughingtiger | kingsley, it's "intel uhd graphics 620" and "nvidia mx150" |
| 06:52.48 | kingsley | laughingtiger: It seems to me that your video card's name and/or model number may also improve the specificity of your search results. |
| 06:53.23 | laughingtiger | and I also forgot to say the line only appears after the video has been played for a while, it didn't appear instantly when the video is played. |
| 06:54.07 | laughingtiger | kingsley, I see. |
| 06:54.50 | kingsley | laughingtiger: So maybe "delay" is another key word to try. |
| 06:54.50 | Haohmaru | screenshot of the "line" because i'm starting to suspect it's not really a line |
| 06:55.53 | kingsley | laughingtiger: I agree with Haohmaru that posting a screen shot of the line might be helpful. |
| 06:56.06 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, but it appeared to be a line, I can only do a phone camera shoot ,and where should I put the picture? |
| 06:56.33 | Haohmaru | perhaps on imgur or some image paste site |
| 06:56.47 | laughingtiger | ok let me do that. |
| 06:58.08 | laughingtiger | the prtsc key isn't working on windows either, omg what a mess things are on windows ! |
| 06:58.24 | Haohmaru | how come it isn't working? |
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| 06:58.43 | laughingtiger | it doesnt print any pictures at all. even with the fn key. |
| 06:59.08 | Haohmaru | what it *should* do is grab a screenshot and put it into the clipboard |
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| 06:59.12 | Haohmaru | if you expect some dialog to pop up - uh-uh |
| 06:59.40 | Haohmaru | imgur may even allow you to paste it there |
| 06:59.46 | laughingtiger | and most software company only care about their windows version. |
| 07:00.05 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, I see. thank you for that. |
| 07:00.14 | BloatHunter | laughs in javascript |
| 07:00.16 | Haohmaru | or you could paste it into mspaint and save as png |
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| 07:02.36 | Haohmaru | <thumb_twiddling.gif> |
| 07:03.51 | Haohmaru | well, if nothing else - the solution seems to be to ditch crapdows and use debian >:) |
| 07:05.10 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, I can do that but some software doesn't work at all on debian but work fine on windows, they just don't care about their linux version. |
| 07:05.26 | kingsley | Haohmaru: +1 |
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| 07:05.49 | Haohmaru | where's the screenshot? |
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| 07:06.57 | BloatHunter | Translation: Nvidia doesn't care about switchable graphics on linux |
| 07:07.17 | Haohmaru | crapvidia |
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| 07:08.27 | BloatHunter | Expecting Debian to write those features is like expecting your roof to keep your house standing. |
| 07:08.33 | kingsley | laughingtiger: Yeah, I used to worry about Windows software on Debian too. My epiphany was realizing linux supported more apps. That was in 1996. I've been using Debian as my daily driver ever since. Please remember linux has emulators that let you run multiple operating systems like qemu and maybe wine. |
| 07:08.42 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, now the video plays fine, the line still hasn't appeared, I don't know what to say. I'm not messing with you, I swear. |
| 07:08.58 | BloatHunter | Its probably playing off the intel now |
| 07:09.13 | BloatHunter | Is bumblebee still a thing? |
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| 07:11.00 | laughingtiger | kingsley, qemu? I'll try that, thank you for it. |
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| 07:12.01 | kingsley | laughingtiger: You're welcome. I need to go soon. Best of luck to you, o' big smiling feline! |
| 07:12.29 | laughingtiger | kingsley, good night and thank you. :) |
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| 07:16.44 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, it's still not appearing, I can paste it some time later but idk if you'll still be here then. if you just want to say whether I'm joking or not, I swear it on my life I'm not joking at all. it's a real problem. |
| 07:16.55 | laughingtiger | see* |
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| 07:19.18 | laughingtiger | Haohmaru, thank you for everything. |
| 07:20.55 | laughingtiger | weird, just weird. when I need it it's not there and when I dont want it it's always there god damn it. |
| 07:21.39 | laughingtiger | I'll try qemu then. thank you guys, really. see you. |
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| 07:40.33 | user217_ | hello . Can I get some help please with: no free space left on device error? |
| 07:40.56 | ratrace | user217_: sure, what do you need? |
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| 07:41.40 | user217_ | ratrace: I cant do anything. Even: apt-get update |
| 07:42.38 | ratrace | user217_: well, you're out of disk space. you need to free it. delete stuff. for starters, check /var/log/ and see if there are any rotated files you could remove |
| 07:42.42 | nkuttler | user217_: try apt-get clean |
| 07:42.53 | nkuttler | and yeah, clean out logs, and then everything else.. |
| 07:43.00 | ratrace | ah yes, apt-get retains the cache, right? |
| 07:43.06 | karlpinc | user217_: "apt-get clean" is a good way to recover some space. It removes retrieved package files, that are presumably already installed. |
| 07:43.36 | user217_ | nkuttler: karlpinc still have error after apt-get clean |
| 07:43.39 | mutante | yea, always the first thing i do when a server is about to run out of disk. |
| 07:43.52 | mutante | usually gets you some breathing room |
| 07:43.54 | nkuttler | user217_: what did you do *before* you ran out of disk space? |
| 07:44.09 | karlpinc | user217_: "df -h" will tell you what fs is full.... |
| 07:44.29 | ratrace | problem is, all these are probably temporary measures, depending on disk size. |
| 07:44.42 | nkuttler | user217_: also find / -size +100M and such can find big files you may or may not want to keep.. |
| 07:44.48 | mutante | user217_: also du -hs /var/log/* etc to see which dirs are the culprit |
| 07:44.56 | nkuttler | and buy bigger disks |
| 07:45.00 | ratrace | try to remove unused logs and install "ncdu" then hunt down where the space is used and see if you can free it |
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| 07:45.50 | ratrace | ncdu is less than 100k |
| 07:45.57 | mutante | you can also use icinga's check_disk plugin to give you alerts before it fully runs out.. like at 95% |
| 07:46.40 | mutante | and setup logrotate to make sure those logs don't grow forever next time |
| 07:46.58 | ratrace | logrotate is default btw, on regular Debian installations |
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| 07:48.50 | user217_ | karlpinc: look like that my root folder / is full |
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| 07:51.21 | ratrace | user217_: you really need to free up some space to install ncdu, then hunt down where the disk space is used |
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| 07:52.40 | ratrace | user217_: look into /var/log/ and see if there are rotated files. rotated files have .<number>.gz suffix added by default, so some.log will have some.log.1, some.log.2.gz, some.log.3.gz etc... you can safelry remove those with .gz |
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| 08:06.01 | user217_ | ratrace: var/log is 68mg only |
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| 08:09.22 | ratrace | user217_: and you need less than 100k freed to install ncdu. |
| 08:09.50 | user217_ | ratrace: it already installed, I think |
| 08:11.47 | ratrace | user217_: then use it to find out where teh space is being used . but realistically.... if it's not the logs or apt cache, it's probably something in your ~/ . |
| 08:12.09 | ratrace | I mean... stuff that can be removed to free up space. |
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| 08:16.27 | BloatHunter | Could just do what I always do(don't do this): apt autoremove -qq --purge $(deborphan --guess-all) -y |
| 08:18.19 | ratrace | "you could do ... don't do this" .... awesome advice. |
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| 08:18.50 | mutante | https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/do+as+I+say%2C+not+as+I+do |
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| 08:21.44 | ratrace | that deborphan invocation seems rather dangerous. never remove packages you don't know why they're there. |
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| 08:22.46 | ratrace | for example, running it on my system now, it wants to remove cryptsetup. if it did that, I'd never be able to boot into my encrypted rootfs system. I wonder why it's considered unused.... :/ |
| 08:22.49 | BloatHunter | I start from so little that its pinned and manual |
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| 08:23.32 | mutante | also see: apt-cache show debfoster |
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| 08:23.40 | BloatHunter | yup |
| 08:24.59 | ratrace | well I debootstrap all my installations, so deborphan's desire to remove cryptsetup is even more confuzing. |
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| 08:40.21 | f8e4 | i did #mv file /home/user1 :( ? |
| 08:40.28 | f8e4 | can i recover the home dir of user1 |
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| 08:43.32 | tcurtis | f8e4, you just moved a file to the user directory? |
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| 08:44.40 | f8e4 | plese read the exact comming, overwrite via file |
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| 08:45.26 | Lopenew | Can I install grub on an XFS partition? |
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| 08:46.10 | Lopenew | hey ratrace thanks for your help last night. |
| 08:47.05 | BloatHunter | Wait, xfs is still around? |
| 08:48.24 | Lopenew | BloatHunter, XFS performs better than ext4 |
| 08:48.35 | Lopenew | BloatHunter, it's not like ext4 is very new. |
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| 08:49.16 | BloatHunter | "XFS performs better than ext4" I'm going to need to see some benchmarks |
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| 08:50.46 | Lopenew | BloatHunter, so use google |
| 08:51.08 | binaryhermit | I'd imagine you'd need to keep support for reading and writing old filesystems, but yeah |
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| 08:55.52 | pasiz | xfs vs ext4 depends greatly on workload |
| 08:55.58 | pasiz | so different approach |
| 08:56.39 | BloatHunter | Most people just notice 4k R/W |
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| 08:57.20 | Lopenew | BloatHunter, pasiz: mongodb complains bitterly if it's not on XFS |
| 08:57.28 | Lopenew | FWIW |
| 08:57.32 | hiya | Can we remove libreoffice completely from Debian's Gnome or default setup? |
| 08:57.42 | BloatHunter | >MongoDB |
| 08:57.46 | pasiz | ;) |
| 08:57.58 | BloatHunter | I think I found the problem |
| 08:59.03 | pasiz | Lopenew: many workload doesn't include mongodb |
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| 09:00.06 | mutante | mongodb is not free software anymore |
| 09:00.23 | mutante | you might want to look for a replacement since it got dropped |
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| 09:01.01 | BloatHunter | Most people dropped it after PG json b sharding |
| 09:01.18 | Lopenew | ratrace, I had the weirdest issue last night. After adding the smtps snippet you gave me to postfix (and restarting postfix service), the "master" process (postfix) was listening on 465 in addition to 587. And I could connect to the port like this from with the mailserver container `nc -z 192.168.x.y 465; echo $?` (returns 0) but from outside the mailserver container I could only connect to the 587 port, not the 465 port. It's the weirdest thing ever, |
| 09:01.18 | Lopenew | because there is no iptables setup on my mailserver container. (`iptables-save` on it returns nothing) and the 465 rules are in exactly the same place as the 587 rules, in the same position in the iptables. |
| 09:02.49 | Lopenew | (testing the connection directly from the host that the container runs on). so weird. |
| 09:03.43 | Lopenew | mutante, yes, I know, but my systems tools already use it. it's a huge dependency and not going anywhere until upstream provides alternatives. |
| 09:03.56 | Lopenew | BloatHunter, yes, PG json looks awesome, I'm keen to try it some time. |
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| 09:08.58 | Lopenew | to clarify what I said above, I could only connect to the 465 port (on either localhost or 192.168.x.y) from within the mailserver container. From the hostnode that the container is on, I could not connect. the mailserver container has no iptables. The hostnode's iptables entries for 587 and 465 pertain only to forwarding connections from the outside, and are exactly the same rules in the same position in the iptables and don't relate to the hostnode |
| 09:08.59 | Lopenew | connecting to the container. Which is why I'm scratching my head not knowing why the hostnode can't connect to the mailserver container on port 465. |
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| 09:09.47 | mutante | Lopenew: just curious, but who would be considered upstream in this? |
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| 09:09.58 | Lopenew | mutante, Meteor |
| 09:10.06 | mutante | oh, ok, thx |
| 09:10.42 | Lopenew | mutante, now that Meteor has been acquired by tiny, and they're investing developers and developing it actively again, alternatives to mongodb will likely come. |
| 09:11.32 | BloatHunter | PG has been around since.... 95? |
| 09:11.37 | mutante | Lopenew: did you already check with "netstat -tulpen" or similar if postfix is actually listening on these ports on the interface/IP you expect it to? |
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| 09:12.37 | Lopenew | mutante, I did `netstat -lntup` yes. |
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| 09:12.53 | Lopenew | mutante, and as I mentioned, I could connect to it from within the mailserver container (LXC). |
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| 09:22.11 | mutante | Lopenew: doesn't it need "bridging" enabled or something to let the container use the host network? |
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| 09:22.38 | mutante | Lopenew: https://wiki.debian.org/LXC/SimpleBridge ? |
| 09:23.03 | Lopenew | there is a private bridge that the containers are on, it's already setup, mail, web etc servers have been running for years like this. |
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| 09:24.29 | mutante | Lopenew: hmm. then "tcpdump port 465" ? |
| 09:24.33 | mutante | while trying it |
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| 09:27.28 | Lopenew | mutante, yeah thanks, will try that. because I suspect that for some odd reason the connections might be getting rejected based on originating ip, by postfix. |
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| 09:43.08 | BloatHunter | Where is the colord color-helper dconf settings stored? |
| 09:43.50 | NetTerminalGene | anyone here installed ubuntu 20.04 theme on buster? |
| 09:43.57 | NetTerminalGene | if so, how? |
| 09:44.49 | BloatHunter | Yaru theme pulls in gtk2 dependencies |
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| 09:45.11 | BloatHunter | They didn't actually think to break out the packages, so now gtk2 bloat is going to be around until at least 2025 |
| 09:45.30 | BloatHunter | Just like Python3 was supposed to be the default in 14.10 |
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| 09:57.15 | simplicius | hello |
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| 10:00.02 | simplicius | why my MAC address that I retrive with ip addr link/ether, is different from that of connected clients on the router? |
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| 10:14.06 | pasiz | simplicius: could you define more? Have you some routing devices between? |
| 10:15.12 | simplicius | look here: https://paste.gnome.org/pf4lizpwg |
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| 10:15.25 | simplicius | my MAC seems to be MAC is 0a:be:d9:23:28:8e |
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| 10:16.24 | burpalot | morning..Q:- how to get "open as root/admin" right click option to work on xfce/thunar? eg. on /usr/share/themes |
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| 10:19.51 | pasiz | simplicius: yes, and your station mac address is e8:fc:af:a4:a3:29 |
| 10:20.25 | pasiz | that is the mac of your wlan station |
| 10:20.35 | pasiz | what is your question then? |
| 10:21.20 | simplicius | I go in the DHCP server section there is the list of connected clients with their MACs, mine is different for that you just seen |
| 10:21.32 | simplicius | I see that all MACs in the list start similarly.. |
| 10:22.14 | simplicius | the AP assigns this 02:0F:B5:23:28:8E |
| 10:22.14 | mutante | simplicius: seems like you have more than one interface and ethernet in addition to wifi, both have their own MAC |
| 10:22.54 | simplicius | mutante: it is not the eth mac address that |
| 10:23.35 | mutante | simplicius: you can try to look up the MAC on https://macvendors.com/ or similar sites to see the vendor, maybe that gives you a hint what it is |
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| 10:25.27 | pasiz | simplicius: 02:0F:B5 starting mac represents virtual mac address, so i suggest you have extender on your wifi |
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| 10:25.59 | pasiz | thus it's creating virtual mac address that you see |
| 10:26.09 | simplicius | what's the extender? |
| 10:26.41 | burpalot | range booster |
| 10:28.21 | simplicius | I use a wifi adaptor |
| 10:28.29 | burpalot | ok no reply |
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| 10:31.44 | BloatHunter | is it possible to lock gsettings changes to root user? |
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| 10:34.26 | pasiz | simplicius: could you explain what you mean with wifi adaptor? |
| 10:34.53 | simplicius | it's a USB antenna |
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| 10:35.34 | pasiz | usb is in wire protocol, that cannot be made airborne... |
| 10:35.57 | BloatHunter | He's talking about a USB wifi card, its probably ralink or something |
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| 10:36.21 | simplicius | yeah |
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| 10:45.20 | cyveris | pasiz: Sure it can. |
| 10:46.13 | cyveris | pasiz: Nearly every protocol can be encapsulated within another. Example: iSCSI over Ethernet. Doesn't mean it will work well. There are wireless USB solutions. |
| 10:46.57 | pasiz | cyveris: i have never seen solution that transfers +5 volts and ground over air via antenna... |
| 10:47.23 | pasiz | or yes, i have seen but 500mA |
| 10:48.04 | cyveris | pasiz: That's treating USB as if it's only its physical specifications. |
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| 10:48.25 | pasiz | USB is physical standard |
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| 10:48.34 | cyveris | That's part of the standard. |
| 10:48.59 | pasiz | that's the base of the standard. |
| 10:49.23 | cyveris | No, that's PART of the standard. There's also the protocol layer, which is where the overwhelming majority of what you actually do with USB takes place. |
| 10:49.34 | pasiz | it's like saying wifi is rj45 over air ;) |
| 10:49.49 | cyveris | RJ45 is the physical layer. |
| 10:49.55 | pasiz | so is USB |
| 10:50.13 | cyveris | There is a physical layer in USB, yes. But that is not the entire standard. |
| 10:51.20 | cyveris | Wifi takes most of 802.3 Ethernet (L2-LLC and up, if you like the OSI model) and transplants it onto a new physical and media access control layer. There's no reason the same can't be done with USB, from a communications protocol standard. |
| 10:53.29 | pasiz | cyveris: taking protocol layer out of context doesn't comply standard |
| 10:54.10 | cyveris | Of course not. I never said it did. |
| 10:54.26 | cyveris | But the statement was that "usb is in wire protocol, that cannot be made airborne..." |
| 10:54.51 | cyveris | Which isn't true. :) |
| 10:54.59 | cyveris | It certainly CAN be. |
| 10:55.48 | pasiz | yes, on aeronautics, you could carry usb compliant devices on board |
| 10:56.30 | Surfer2011 | hello, what is the easiest way to create a file (xxx.desktop) with all the neccesary lines in one command? |
| 10:57.03 | cyveris | pasiz: The USB *protocol* absolutely could be adapted to a radio-based PHY, just how Wifi did so with the data-link facilities within Ethernet. </end> |
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| 10:57.45 | ratrace | Lopenew: your container config needs an update to port forwarding or whatever it does |
| 10:58.37 | pasiz | Surfer2011: shell script would be easiest made solution |
| 10:59.00 | pasiz | or simple echo |
| 10:59.06 | Surfer2011 | okay so no easy "copy one command" option? ... |
| 10:59.31 | Surfer2011 | so i do a shell script which i place online somewhere and then wget and execute? |
| 11:00.18 | pasiz | Surfer2011: i don't have no idea what you want to accomplish, so i cannot made it up |
| 11:00.32 | pasiz | Surfer2011: https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en |
| 11:01.02 | Surfer2011 | yes exactly build a file like this, i got all i need to "input" |
| 11:01.28 | Surfer2011 | and >I< would use nano /home/user/Desktop/fie.desktop and copy paste all in there |
| 11:01.51 | Surfer2011 | but would be nice to combine all of this into one long command with && or something |
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| 11:04.39 | pasiz | Surfer2011: to build it from where? |
| 11:04.57 | pasiz | what is your data source to build .desktop files |
| 11:05.14 | Surfer2011 | commandline only |
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| 11:05.58 | jm_ | Surfer2011: you know you can use echo command, right? it even supports newlines |
| 11:06.16 | pasiz | Surfer2011: so you want to create .desktop for some terminal |
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| 11:08.08 | Surfer2011 | i thought like [Desktop Entry] >> /home/chef/Schreibtisch/bsw.desktop && Name=BSW >> /home/chef/Schreibtisch/bsw.desktop && ... |
| 11:08.27 | Surfer2011 | but i think those special char. cause the problem |
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| 11:09.54 | linuxraven | Surfer2011: put simple quotes around your strings, like echo '[Desktop Entry' >> something.desktop |
| 11:10.05 | pasiz | Surfer2011: in bash that would be: |
| 11:10.48 | pasiz | echo -e "[Desktop Entry] >> /home/chef/Schreibtisch/bsw.desktop |
| 11:10.48 | Surfer2011 | ahh okay i will try this |
| 11:11.36 | Lope | ratrace, I've just checked the container config (proxmox) there are no port specific settings in there. I'll double check that the proxmox firewall isn't running. |
| 11:11.44 | pasiz | echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\n/home/chef/Schreibtisch/bsw.desktop" > file.desktop |
| 11:11.47 | Lope | ratrace, in that snippet you sent, what does that number 16 do? |
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| 11:13.22 | Surfer2011 | pasiz: your missing a " after Entry] correct? |
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| 11:16.23 | Lope | ratrace, there is no proxmox firewall enabled for the container. I do my iptables myself. the hook script for the container also does not contain anything about ports |
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| 11:25.27 | bionade24 | How can I set Kernel params in the installation iso? |
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| 11:30.09 | ratrace | Lope: your /etc/postfix/master.cf is commented about what the columns are. It's process count |
| 11:30.22 | bionade24 | I can't type e in the grub menu |
| 11:32.53 | Lope | ratrace, thanks, moving over to postfix because this seems like it could be a postfix smstemd config issue? |
| 11:33.02 | Lope | #postfix |
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| 11:34.57 | bionade24 | Is there really no one knowing this? |
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| 11:37.32 | Ede|Popede | bionade24: same problem in my stretch live stick. works in one of the EFI/BIOS menus, but not in the other one. |
| 11:38.40 | bionade24 | Ede|Popede: How do you mean this? I know which flag I probably need, I just can't pass them without manipulating the stick. |
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| 11:39.38 | Ede|Popede | bionade24: select the entry you want to change, press "e", change the corresponding line, then C-x to boot. |
| 11:39.51 | Ede|Popede | but you said you can't use "e"... |
| 11:42.31 | bionade24 | Ede|Popede: So when I'm in the installation options menu, I normally could press e? |
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| 11:42.57 | jm_ | bionade24: press escape, then you can type your boot targetname, followed by kernel options |
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| 11:43.51 | bionade24 | jm_: What is the target name or how can I find out? |
| 11:45.11 | user217_ | is on this channel valid question about ldme3 ? |
| 11:45.19 | jm_ | bionade24: press tab, it will list them |
| 11:45.29 | bionade24 | jm_: Thx |
| 11:45.33 | jm_ | bionade24: np |
| 11:46.02 | jm_ | user217_: what is ldme3? |
| 11:46.26 | user217_ | jm_: linux mint that based on debian |
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| 11:46.47 | jelly | !lmde |
| 11:46.47 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 11:47.10 | jm_ | ahh lmde :) |
| 11:47.26 | bionade24 | user217_: LMDE is a stretch based, too. |
| 11:47.58 | mutante | user217_: what made you install that? |
| 11:48.53 | user217_ | mutante: I just want mint but not want ubuntu :) |
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| 11:49.50 | mutante | user217_: i just wanted to learn what is a reason to not use Debian |
| 11:50.47 | mutante | i honestly don't get why, since all packages are imported but then you have the disadvantages like ..this |
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| 11:53.02 | user217_ | mutante: It was long times ago .I dont remember :) May be I want something exotic) |
| 11:53.35 | user217_ | mutante: what is the reason that linux mint exist?) |
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| 11:55.20 | mutante | user217_: that's what i'm asking YOU :) |
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| 11:55.51 | user217_ | mutante: I dont remember now for shure, sorry |
| 11:56.02 | mutante | user217_: how about installing Debian then and having support :) |
| 11:56.10 | user217_ | mutante: I think that I wanted to try something new |
| 11:56.25 | mutante | i see, *nod* |
| 11:56.57 | user217_ | mutante: now chances at this time, sorry( But all you are nice, I see this) |
| 11:57.10 | mutante | user217: i think i would argue that: new = many bugs exotic = few others to ask for help |
| 11:58.47 | user217_ | mutante: as I said there is no chanse now to change distro |
| 12:00.02 | bionade24 | user217_: If you would have simply typed your question instead of the stupid pre-question you would now probably had the answer. |
| 12:00.32 | bionade24 | user217_: But LMDE is based on an older debian release than the current one. |
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| 12:01.50 | user217_ | bionade24: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/595JN9fWNs/ |
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| 12:26.44 | L0aD1nG | user217_: did you edit the /etc/apt/source.list ? |
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| 12:27.00 | user217_ | L0aD1nG: yes |
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| 12:32.54 | L0aD1nG | on their page they say it is based on Debian and Ubuntu |
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| 12:33.15 | L0aD1nG | but an article i have here : https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/sources.html |
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| 12:34.11 | L0aD1nG | suggests basicly only ubuntu repos for the source.list, though i dont encourage you to try it because i dont know the results.. |
| 12:34.43 | user217_ | L0aD1nG: Im not shurethat there is any problem with my sources |
| 12:35.21 | user217_ | L0aD1nG: I use this manual https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/2475 |
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| 12:35.58 | user217_ | L0aD1nG: and after downgrade step I get this problem |
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| 12:37.59 | abrotman | user217_: this channel is for Debian support, please take it elsewhere |
| 12:39.04 | user217_ | abrotman: ok. sorry |
| 12:39.20 | L0aD1nG | maybe there is a mint channel |
| 12:39.29 | abrotman | dpkg: lmde |
| 12:39.29 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 12:39.37 | abrotman | like you were told a while ago |
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| 12:39.52 | abrotman | or feel free to ry ##linux or take it to PM |
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| 13:09.14 | Guest60575 | hi |
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| 13:48.28 | f-a | things that puzzles me: why does sudo mount /dev/something fold<tab> work when sudo umount fold<tab> does not, autocomplete-wise? |
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| 13:51.08 | mutante | because the second one is not a unix path and just some string? |
| 13:51.25 | mutante | eh. ignore that. nevermind |
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| 14:00.36 | Ede|Popede | f-a: tested it both in a user shell (but w/o sudo) and in a root shell. for umount in the user shell it first gives me a / and then all the mountpoints. for root it completes with entries in $CWD |
| 14:01.04 | f-a | thanks |
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| 14:04.17 | thenori | I've spent three days cracking my skull against nvidia drivers and all I have to show for it is a functional display manager and a cracked skull |
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| 14:04.54 | thenori | Would someone be so kind as to help me get this 960M turned on please? |
| 14:05.22 | jm_ | I thought "a functional display manager" indicates it's working :) |
| 14:05.56 | thenori | it's a 960M, so it's paired with an intel 530 |
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| 14:06.25 | jm_ | right, I assumed it's optimus setup - have you tried configuring that? |
| 14:06.51 | jm_ | !bumblebee |
| 14:06.51 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <stretch> and <buster> and <bullseye>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:07.21 | thenori | I tried bumblebee & prime and I just ended up in and out of rescue mode for three days |
| 14:07.47 | jm_ | using debian packages? |
| 14:07.50 | thenori | yes |
| 14:09.04 | thenori | I scoured the internet for fixes & config files, I even found someone with my exact model of laptop (inspiron 7559) and I could not get it to work |
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| 14:09.29 | thenori | I am a proud sysadmin but not too proud to admit defeat |
| 14:09.43 | thenori | please help |
| 14:10.19 | jm_ | so what happens if you install that? |
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| 14:11.12 | jm_ | apparently there are two ways, using nouveau and nvidia non-free driver - I thought only the latter is possible (well it was back then) |
| 14:12.08 | thenori | it just doesn't detect my video card |
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| 14:12.54 | jm_ | which way did you follow then? |
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| 14:13.41 | thenori | I tried a few different versions of the non-free drivers |
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| 14:14.55 | thenori | "Since Debian bullseye libgl1-nvidia-glx no longer exists, the correct package is libgl1-nvidia-tesla-glx libnvidia-tesla-glcore so to install nvidia drivers from bullseye or more recent versions: " |
| 14:15.01 | thenori | this edit was made in the last two days |
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| 14:15.33 | thenori | so I could potentially try the non-free drivers again with that |
| 14:15.56 | jm_ | ahh so you're not doing this with buster? |
| 14:16.09 | thenori | I'm running testing |
| 14:16.23 | jm_ | right, so better try that way |
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| 14:17.02 | thenori | so try the non-free again with that one new package? |
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| 14:17.29 | jm_ | I would try that first yes |
| 14:17.36 | thenori | hmm |
| 14:17.38 | thenori | "Do NOT allow debconf to create a xorg.conf file, and do NOT run nvidia-xconfig! (" |
| 14:17.48 | thenori | this is also important information |
| 14:18.26 | thenori | apt doesn't see any `libnvidia-tesla-glcore` |
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| 14:20.27 | thenori | `libnvidia-tesla-440-glcore` then |
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| 14:23.09 | jm_ | looking at files in that package it would be libgl1-nvidia-tesla-418-glx |
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| 14:25.04 | jm_ | hmm can't be, that's for ver 418 while testing has 440 |
| 14:25.29 | uniqdom | Hello, I have a week ago I have disabled and stopped exim4 using: systemctl stop exim4 ; systemctl disable exim4, I'm receiving everyday an email from the server with the subject "exim paniclog on zeus.coders.cl has non-zero size", and the body says: "... socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned ...". I have a docker container exposing port 25. |
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| 14:26.30 | uniqdom | Why I'm receiving that if exim4 service is not running? |
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| 14:29.08 | uniqdom | nvm... I'm erasing /var/log/exim4/paniclog contents to see if that works. |
| 14:29.59 | jm_ | uniqdom: /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base |
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| 14:33.04 | uniqdom | jm_: thanks, I see that the file you pointed says: "if [ -s "/var/log/exim4/paniclog" ]; then", then erasing the contents should work. I will have to wait until tomorrow. |
| 14:34.08 | pingouin | hello |
| 14:34.08 | pingouin | debian buster. dhclient[563]: bound to 192.168.0.2 -- renewal in 37052 seconds . what control this "renewal" parameter ? the /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is commented (#send dhcp-lease-time 3600;) i can't figure it out. |
| 14:35.05 | pingouin | systemd ? Cron ? |
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| 14:37.23 | jm_ | DHCP server? |
| 14:37.26 | uniqdom | I guess it the DHCP server who says for how long is the IP lease |
| 14:38.04 | pingouin | so..i guess my routeur do that :/ |
| 14:38.22 | pasiz | pingouin: exactly |
| 14:38.26 | pingouin | but not setting to change in it... |
| 14:38.28 | pasiz | time to life, eg. ttl |
| 14:38.33 | pasiz | or lease time |
| 14:38.43 | pasiz | in general dhcp config |
| 14:39.05 | jm_ | why do you want to change it? |
| 14:39.22 | pingouin | too short |
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| 14:39.51 | pingouin | like +/- 10 hours |
| 14:40.17 | jm_ | so? client should automatically renew it before it expires |
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| 14:40.56 | uniqdom | if you fear to lose the IP, you may want to use an static IP instead of a dynamic one, or maybe set a macaddress rule |
| 14:42.03 | pingouin | jm_: yes, but in run an vpn and other things, and each time, it breaks all connections, have to restart everything etc... |
| 14:42.26 | pingouin | uniqdom: i'll give that a try, you're right, did not think about this way. |
| 14:42.35 | pingouin | thank you for the advice. |
| 14:43.35 | jm_ | pingouin: that makes no sense. the client should do this long before the lease expires, so you should not even be aware this is happening |
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| 14:49.09 | simplicius | hello |
| 14:49.15 | simplicius | where can I find this <pcap.h> ? |
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| 14:53.44 | jm_ | simplicius: apt-file or https://packages.debian.org/ can help you answer that or even IRC bots here |
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| 14:54.30 | simplicius | I don't have that command |
| 14:54.42 | jm_ | install it? |
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| 16:08.29 | n_1-c_k | f-a, try ALL ? |
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| 16:32.21 | velix | Anyone with an idea, why fuse3 can't be installed on Buster AMD64? https://bpaste.net/RAGQ |
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| 16:34.08 | somiaj | velix: the post-install script is failing for some reason, but no errors were reported so that makes it harder to debug. |
| 16:34.23 | velix | somiaj: How can I activate error reporting? |
| 16:34.24 | somiaj | ,v fuse3 |
| 16:34.25 | judd | Package: fuse3 on amd64 -- buster: 3.4.1-1; bullseye: 3.9.0-2; sid: 3.9.0-2 |
| 16:34.52 | velix | somiaj: Before debugging, let me backport 3.9.0 first, Buster has lots of broken packages. |
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| 16:35.04 | somiaj | velix: you can 'hack' it by editing the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
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| 16:35.21 | somiaj | velix: buster should not have a lot of broken packages, it sounds like something on your system is broken. |
| 16:35.30 | velix | somiaj: Yes, of course, MY system is broken. |
| 16:35.34 | velix | Sorry, sir. |
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| 16:35.49 | somiaj | do you have a lot of third party packages, backports, or mixing debian versions? |
| 16:36.19 | somiaj | anyways one hack you can do is put 'exit 0' at the top of the post install script then run dpkg --configure -a, and it will install, but the install script will fail to do what it was supose to, and there maybe issues because of this. |
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| 16:39.30 | somiaj | for what it is worth, fuse3 installed just fine on a buster test system I have. |
| 16:40.06 | somiaj | but the only way I know to debug your issue is look at the post install script and try to determine what is failing. Since the script produced no errors, I'm not sure what it could be. |
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| 16:44.20 | velix | somiaj: I've just backported 3.9.0 and it installed like a charm. So much for "my broken system". |
| 16:45.02 | velix | Buster by far is the release with the most broken packages in Debian history. |
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| 16:46.02 | karlpinc | velix: Well, it's also the release with the most packages in Debian history. Is it proprortionally more broken? Is it that newly introduced packages are broken? (Just curious.) |
| 16:46.26 | velix | This flap attitude that Debian is bug-free is terrible. Many packages are so old that even the maintainers do not release patches for them. |
| 16:47.04 | karlpinc | velix: Debian is not bug free. It's just that the bugs don't change. |
| 16:47.13 | velix | karlpinc: There are some important packages, which never have been touched since Buster release. |
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| 16:47.21 | karlpinc | !stable |
| 16:47.21 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 16:47.39 | karlpinc | velix: They are not supposed to change. |
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| 16:47.48 | velix | karlpinc: I know Debian's policy. But a broken package is critical to me ;) |
| 16:48.11 | karlpinc | velix: I know how that feels. |
| 16:48.30 | velix | I'm in the big fortune that I'm able to benefit and that I know the risk of doing it. |
| 16:48.46 | velix | But always answer "your system is broken" doesn't help anyone :( |
| 16:49.27 | velix | Maybe I should push the backport to buster-backports. All tests run successfully. |
| 16:49.48 | karlpinc | velix: somiaj tried to help you with it, and gave you suggestions. If you don't follow them and want to do something else that's fine, but it's on you. |
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| 16:50.15 | mdk | Hi, trying to install libwxgtk3.0-dev, but it depends on wx3.0-headers (= 3.0.4+dfsg-14), but I only see version 3.0.4+dfsg-15 available, what did I get wrong? |
| 16:50.29 | jelly | velix, noone said debian was bugfree, it's you that had a fit when it wsa implied your environment has something weird that triggered a bug that does not happen normally |
| 16:50.30 | karlpinc | velix: You could. But then you're supposed to commit to maintaining the backport. Which means keeping up with problems with security and fixing the backport when there's security issues. |
| 16:50.34 | velix | karlpinc: I want to do so, but getting punished with "having a broken system" is way too much to handle. I'm administrating more than 12 debian servers right now. |
| 16:50.48 | velix | karlpinc: I thought, backports don't come without any warranty? |
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| 16:51.20 | karlpinc | !tell mdk about bat |
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| 16:52.46 | mdk | https://paste.debian.net/1139573/ |
| 16:53.56 | jelly | this isn't the greatest idea; <somiaj> anyways one hack you can do is put 'exit 0' at the top of the post install script then run dpkg --configure -a, |
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| 16:54.04 | mdk | karlpinc: (pasting commands are better, I think I managed to get it wrong in my first message :p) |
| 16:54.09 | karlpinc | velix: They don't come with an official debian warranty. They are _supposed_ to be useful, which means have some sort of security maintenance. |
| 16:54.41 | velix | karlpinc: So I'm better off running my own repository, mark it as "without warranty"? :D |
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| 16:54.44 | jelly | somiaj, adding "set -x" and figuring out what, exactly, fails is more sane |
| 16:55.22 | jelly | velix, I don't think I have a single system with ONLY Debian packages. |
| 16:55.33 | karlpinc | mdk: You're running testing. Testing breaks. For support see #debian-next. |
| 16:55.37 | karlpinc | !debian-next |
| 16:55.37 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:56.04 | mdk | karlpinc: thanks :) |
| 16:56.13 | velix | somiaj: Sorry for being so upset... homeoffice makes me crazy. |
| 16:56.31 | mdk | karlpinc: I'm OK with it breaking, I'm also OK to try to report it cleanly to who can be interested :) joining #debian-next, thanks! |
| 16:56.51 | jelly | velix, but Debian is still my preferred platform, because there's the least amount of extra stuff to add to make machines do useful things |
| 16:57.28 | velix | Comtainers made me stay at Debian. |
| 16:57.32 | karlpinc | velix: That said, I bet that not a whole lot of people who upload backports actually monitor and update when there are security issues. The kernel is probably an exception, just because so many people use it. But that's a guess. |
| 16:58.07 | karlpinc | jelly: Same here. Of everything, debian is easiest. |
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| 16:58.37 | karlpinc | velix: What flavor of containers do you use? |
| 16:59.24 | velix | karlpinc: In the past, I've used chroots to backport stuff. Now I'm using rootless containers using podman and run the containers contributed by the coders theirself (or I build my own ones). |
| 16:59.36 | annadane | i guess we sort of build systems and make a few reasonable guesses about what the case will be (backports will be generally well supervised, packages in stable will avoid most *critical* bugs because of the testing of going through two branches before stable etc) and when things fail, we adjust accordingly and address those specific concerns |
| 17:00.28 | annadane | or become contributors ourselves like people in the debian project suggest, step up and fix the problems ourselves |
| 17:00.42 | karlpinc | annadane: Hard to know backports are not getting security updates though. :-P |
| 17:00.52 | velix | Just to emphasize this again: I am NOT complaining that the packages are too old. I'm just curious that some of the packages are obviously broken, like fuse3. Most tools use fuse2, so the fuse3 bug may not have been noticed. |
| 17:01.03 | annadane | it does seem like a bit of a magic bullet for new users when they're not necessarily aware of stuff like that, yes |
| 17:01.40 | karlpinc | velix: It does not help that freezes last a long time before a new release. But that's what's possible. |
| 17:02.02 | velix | karlpinc: I'm calming down, since my backport works great ,) |
| 17:02.15 | annadane | there's no perfect solution between "stable has some broken packages (which btw we should look into fixing more of those for point releases), testing has broken packages for a while and the slowest security updates, sid is you get to keep all the pieces if it breaks" |
| 17:02.34 | karlpinc | velix: Crank up. Drink some RedBull. Become a Debian dev. Fix the world! |
| 17:02.44 | velix | karlpinc: I've got "Monster" only. |
| 17:03.40 | annadane | the thing with backports though is that in theory they should avoid a lot of problems, you have to be motivated to upload a backport, you're clearly doing it because it fulfills a function you need so in theory there's going to be care put into it |
| 17:04.10 | jelly | velix, when someone says thing is broken on YOUR system, that means you have a combination of elements that triggers a bug; the bug might NOT happen on other systems. |
| 17:04.16 | annadane | i feel like packages are broken rarely, and while they cause frustration as witnessed today it's not "every package is broken all the time" |
| 17:04.26 | jelly | velix, so what's obvious to YOU is not obvious to US |
| 17:04.34 | karlpinc | annadane: Yeah. But 70% of the work is keeping up with changes. (In so far as maintaining software anyway.) And that's an additional 70% that people don't want to do. |
| 17:04.39 | jelly | annadane, oh some are so broken. |
| 17:05.14 | jelly | but it's a rare thing to have a completely uninstallable package end up in stable if anyone is using it |
| 17:05.17 | karlpinc | annadane: Every package probably _is_ broken all the time. We just don't know it or don't care. :) |
| 17:05.17 | annadane | in the end it's a cliche to say debian is a volunteer project so step up you lazy sod, but it is also partially true |
| 17:05.53 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | There's some broken packages though even in stable. |
| 17:06.11 | jelly | Aurora_iz_kosmos, uninstallable and without a RC bug? |
| 17:06.20 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | jelly: RC? |
| 17:06.30 | jelly | release critical |
| 17:06.36 | jelly | !rc |
| 17:06.37 | dpkg | i guess rc is <Release-Critical>, or Release Candidate, or "run commands": a filename extension convention used in Unix configuration files (e.g. .muttrc, .screenrc, .vimrc). |
| 17:06.44 | jelly | !Release-Critical |
| 17:06.45 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=stretch&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 17:07.14 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | jelly: Hardly. They just make Geiser completely unusable for Guile-2.2 on systems that have both Guile-2.0 and Guile-2.2 installed. |
| 17:08.09 | annadane | at least debian has the least surprises and the bugs are known and you can address it then rather than have a torrent (as in a lot of; not downloadable torrents) of new packages/bugs that you have to keep up with updates for like arch (to be fair, i hear arch is quite good quality-wise) |
| 17:08.51 | annadane | i guess i'm also preaching to the choir so sorry for the rant |
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| 17:09.08 | annadane | and speaking of rant, here's greycat |
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| 17:10.10 | annadane | i guess this is also why it's good to not discourage people from running testing/sid if they know the risks and they're willing to solve problems, because more testing is a good thing before these packages enter stable |
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| 17:10.39 | annadane | absolutely recommend Stable for most users, though |
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| 17:11.17 | greycat | people who know how to triage a problem and write a coherent bug report are wonderful, and we need more of those... unfortunately, most of the people who run testing and then come here are just looking for "n3w3r p4ckag35" |
| 17:11.35 | ratrace | !list! |
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| 17:12.40 | wwilliam | what hardware do you recomment for a home desktop with at least 64GB ram not for gaming mostly to created VM's so an extreme video card is not need it.Thank you |
| 17:12.50 | wwilliam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.05 | ratrace | wwilliam: --> #hardware |
| 17:13.45 | greycat | double # |
| 17:14.01 | wuyx | exit |
| 17:14.02 | ratrace | no redir? |
| 17:14.06 | ratrace | exunt |
| 17:15.10 | wwilliam | theres no #hardware |
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| 17:15.44 | wwilliam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.04 | velix | On Debian Buster, do users have their own temp directory somewhere? |
| 17:27.42 | greycat | There's /run/user/youruid/ which is a tmpfs. |
| 17:28.01 | velix | greycat: ah that sounds useful. Thanks |
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| 17:31.17 | velix | greycat: /var/tmp is normal fs, isn't it? |
| 17:31.26 | greycat | by default, yes |
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| 17:32.32 | doubletwist | So I'm a little unclear. If I want to manage repo gpg trust via saltstack. In RHEL based systems I can place the keys in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg then import them. Is there a similar 'proper' place to put gpg repo keys in debian? ( eg /usr/share/keyrings ?) and once the files there, are they automatically imported or do I still need to do apt-key add ? |
| 17:33.28 | somiaj | doubletwist: usually /usr is for debian packages to put files, so what you see in /usr/share is put there by debian packages. |
| 17:34.01 | somiaj | doubletwist: so I don't think /usr/share/keyrings would be appropriate for to manually put a key, though I don't know the prefered place. |
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| 17:34.29 | doubletwist | So what's the proper place to put repo gpg keys? I'm unclear on how /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d is used |
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| 17:35.56 | doubletwist | I'm trying to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty but it's not making a lot of sense to me |
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| 17:37.43 | somiaj | https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt -- is what I was reading through to see if I could find the asnwer. |
| 17:38.08 | doubletwist | Or I'm thinking it's saying there is no real place to put them, just pipe the key through "apt-key add" and not actually store a file anywhere - other than the keyring that 'apt-key add' itself adds it to |
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| 17:39.25 | somiaj | doubletwist: I guess I'm surprised they are suggesting using /usr/share/keyring on that wiki, but that is there suggestion. Guess it is as good as any. |
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| 17:40.27 | doubletwist | Actually I'm starting to think I'd be better off doing it differently on the salt side aptpkg.add_repo_key might be a better path for me |
| 17:40.29 | somiaj | s/there/their/ |
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| 17:45.11 | io100hzplus | woold be easy at/cron apt update rule |
| 17:45.32 | io100hzplus | orelse datleak |
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| 17:49.20 | jozefk_2 | hi. I messed up my initramfs it seems. Or the grup. Whatever is used for booting the system. I tried to install drivers for USB WiFi dongle and things didn't go well after reboot. I ended up in initramfs prompt. Is there a way to fix that somehow? |
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| 17:49.47 | jozefk_2 | I am able to get into the system with rEFInd from USB though |
| 17:49.59 | jozefk_2 | and to get online by USB tethering |
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| 17:55.49 | jjoeshua | does Net Speed Working on Focal Fossa version? |
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| 17:56.59 | ratrace | jjoeshua: --> #ubuntu |
| 17:57.22 | jjoeshua | I try but can not log in |
| 17:57.24 | jjoeshua | noob |
| 17:57.30 | ratrace | jelly: register an account |
| 17:57.36 | ratrace | jjoeshua: ^^^ (sorr jells) |
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| 17:58.03 | greycat | ENOUGH. |
| 17:58.04 | ratrace | greycat: +1 |
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| 17:58.35 | jjoeshua | can you help me? |
| 17:58.38 | ratrace | nope. |
| 17:59.06 | jjoeshua | just share link where to register |
| 17:59.14 | greycat | If you need help registering with nickserv, beyond what "/msg nickserv help" says, go ask in #freenode. |
| 17:59.21 | ratrace | ah with that? ok... https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
| 17:59.29 | BloatHunter | The color-helper has a 404'd URL that is http, also the tls cert seems to be for a birth hypnosis website: gsettings get org.freedesktop.ColorHelper profile-upload-uri |
| 18:00.00 | annadane | the +r caused the netsplit. |
| 18:00.21 | GNU\colossus | greycat's righteous anger just broke freenode :'( |
| 18:00.23 | greycat | I broke the internet. |
| 18:00.30 | ratrace | I doubt that _caused_ the netslipt |
| 18:00.32 | greycat | I am like Kim's butt. |
| 18:00.33 | ratrace | *split |
| 18:00.38 | GNU\colossus | lol |
| 18:00.44 | annadane | is sarcasm not allowed anymore? |
| 18:01.13 | ratrace | annadane: sorry. my sarcasm detector batteries are empty :) need asap recharge! |
| 18:01.38 | ratrace | been a long day and the calendar is STILL stuck on "Fri" |
| 18:01.46 | jjoeshua | Thnx |
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| 18:54.45 | Mazhive_one | guys i dont know what happen ery strang i have a enp4s0 dev up but my networking service failes to startup but it has local network how is that possible ,according to systemctl status : ifup[9181]: ifup: failed to bring up eth0 but i do not have a eth0 yet a enp4s0 if i down the device yet i have still connection ?? |
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| 18:57.12 | sney | sounds like you have something invalid in /etc/network/interfaces, and network-manager is handling the rest |
| 18:58.00 | Mazhive_one | would you suggest deinstalling network manager |
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| 18:59.42 | Mazhive_one | i must confess i think i installed it recently just yesterday i had to down my computer due to power outage so this could be a result of installing network manager.. |
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| 19:20.20 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | ... -_- They left. |
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| 19:26.02 | Mazhive | i removed network manager but networking has still faile to start allthough all networking seems to work how is that possible |
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| 19:27.29 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Mazhive: I instead recommend to reinstall network manager and comment everything in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:27.40 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Then restarting network-manager service |
| 19:28.22 | greycat | don't comment out the loopback stuff, though |
| 19:28.51 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | greycat: Mine are commented (though I installed with network-manager) |
| 19:34.06 | BloatHunter | How do you manually pull a deb's file path list if contents-deb is set to not index? |
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| 19:37.03 | fuxxy | I'm running Deluge on a machine with two network cards. I've bound the user 'deluged' to one of the NICs, but DNS queries are still being sent to the top DNS resolver in /etc/resolv.conf. Is there a way I can force DNS queries to a specific nameserver, like I did with the interfaces? |
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| 19:45.45 | gp5st__ | I'm having trouble finding information on this. Does debian run on an STM32 board? I was thinking specifically of an 32F746GDISCOVERY but my searching skills don't seem up to the task |
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| 19:48.24 | gp5st__ | Actually, nvm. Looking over the list on https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port there are some good options |
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| 19:52.47 | Mazhive | Aurora_iz_kosmos i edit the interfaces from eth0 to enp4s0 and it worked again .. |
| 19:53.18 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Mazhive: In /etc/network/interfaces? Well yes, but then that'd prevent network manager from managing it. |
| 19:53.34 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | For network manager to manage an interface, it must be commented out or removed from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:54.21 | Mazhive | oke what would you suggest |
| 19:55.23 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Well, I'd just comment everything and restart the network manager service then add a configuration for the interface. |
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| 19:56.13 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | If it's a server, I'd add the configuration first, enable but not start network manager, and restart. |
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| 19:56.51 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Probably unnecessary but safe. |
| 19:57.16 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Erh, insofar as you have means to use the machine without an online connection. |
| 19:57.18 | Mazhive | how is the network manager service being called network-manager.service ?? |
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| 19:58.02 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I think it's NetworkManager.service |
| 19:58.07 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | (For some reason capitalized) |
| 19:58.29 | Mazhive | yep thanx |
| 19:59.29 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | If you cannot use the machine without an online connection, get it provisioned with two interfaces, and start with only commenting out one of them and having it managed by network-manager, then the second once you're sure the first works. |
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| 20:01.17 | Mazhive | Would the networking.service be needed then |
| 20:01.40 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | I think NetworkManager will start if it's needed unless you've masked it. |
| 20:01.51 | Mazhive | ah oke |
| 20:02.17 | Mazhive | so networkmanager handles the start of networking.service |
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| 20:03.02 | fission6 | i need to install `apt-get install postgresql-10-repack` but its not available inside of a docker container, so i am trying to be as precise as possible and add it to the image |
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| 20:03.19 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Mazhive: Hm, I just looked at the service unit, there's no link. |
| 20:03.32 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Mazhive: I vaguely recall networking.service being systemd related. |
| 20:03.48 | Mazhive | ah oke so i kcan safely disable it |
| 20:04.18 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Mazhive: Eh, I'd say you mostly don't need to touch it. I don't know if you can safely disable it. |
| 20:04.39 | Mazhive | oke thnx |
| 20:04.45 | Mazhive | ill figure it out |
| 20:05.12 | Mazhive | i think i now have some understanding how it works |
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| 20:05.50 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 20:08.52 | dvs | gets his BFG-9000 |
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| 20:10.09 | ratrace | Groovy! Wait, that's duke Nukem! |
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| 20:12.45 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Bubblegum |
| 20:13.02 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Fwiw that expression was also used in Evil Dead |
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| 20:31.17 | ratrace | Aurora_iz_kosmos: it was, yes. |
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| 20:36.55 | L0aD1nG | i should have the torbrowser-launcher package installed to launch the tor browser? |
| 20:36.58 | L0aD1nG | anyone knows? |
| 20:37.18 | BloatHunter | Do you want to launch it? |
| 20:37.31 | L0aD1nG | i am just trying to remember how i installed it |
| 20:37.44 | L0aD1nG | cause i am launching it with this : tor-browser |
| 20:38.06 | L0aD1nG | but now i upgraded to debian buster and tor browser didnt updated its version at all |
| 20:38.10 | BloatHunter | https://packages.debian.org/buster-backports/torbrowser-launcher |
| 20:38.20 | BloatHunter | Read 1st/2nd paragraph |
| 20:38.27 | L0aD1nG | so i might installed it with some other way than debian repos |
| 20:41.15 | L0aD1nG | well that hints the point that i installed it from the repos cause i have the .local/share/torbrowser |
| 20:42.30 | L0aD1nG | but torbrowser-launcher package is not installed although tor is. |
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| 21:04.49 | L0aD1nG | aah i just installed it from repos it wont run it will throw a pyton error |
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| 21:08.17 | L0aD1nG | s/pyton/python |
| 21:13.32 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: what repo did you install this package from? |
| 21:13.56 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: with apt-get install torbrowser-launcher |
| 21:14.07 | L0aD1nG | do you want me to show you my source.list? |
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| 21:14.41 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | Can a route have ipv4 & ipv6 hops? |
| 21:14.51 | somiaj | I think the suggestion you were given was to use the version from backports. So if you have backports in your sources.list 'apt-get -t buster-backports install torbrowser-launcher' |
| 21:15.51 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: if you still get some python errors with that, maybe paste the output of the command you ran and the errors at someplace like paste.debian.net |
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| 21:17.23 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: i have it in my list and i thought it was setted to select backports first but in my /etc/apt/prefferences was still "wheezy-backports"... |
| 21:17.27 | L0aD1nG | let me try again |
| 21:17.50 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: you don't want to have backports selected by default in your apt-preferences, this can cause unforseen problems. |
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| 21:18.51 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: why? i thought is for newer and stable packages.. |
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| 21:19.06 | BloatHunter | so just pin the package |
| 21:19.16 | L0aD1nG | i will delete it then okay |
| 21:19.21 | BloatHunter | this is seriously a solved problem |
| 21:19.32 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: part of debian stability is a frozen system that has undergone a lot of testing. Backport packages do not have this testing. In addition backport packages don't have security support. |
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| 21:19.54 | BloatHunter | did you read what the package does |
| 21:20.29 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: backport packages are provided for users who need newer versions than provided by debian stable. In practice one should only install the package backports they need (not just get any backport that is avialble). |
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| 21:21.18 | somiaj | that is why by default backports are pinned so low and require the -t buster-backports when installing them. |
| 21:21.35 | user217217 | what is the best way to start using kde and debian |
| 21:21.46 | somiaj | user217217: install debian with kde. |
| 21:21.56 | somiaj | user217217: you can do this on a virtual machine if you don't want to do it on a physical one. |
| 21:22.01 | L0aD1nG | okay i did this : apt-get -t buster-backports install torbrowser-launcher |
| 21:22.08 | BloatHunter | yup |
| 21:22.22 | L0aD1nG | and still get the python error when i use the launcher |
| 21:22.45 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: paste the full output with the python error. |
| 21:22.58 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: have you done anything with python on your system that isn't default from debian? |
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| 21:23.21 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: no i havent touched python for years really |
| 21:23.39 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: well lets look at the error and see if we can track it down. |
| 21:23.49 | user217217 | somiaj: is special distro? |
| 21:23.50 | L0aD1nG | https://paste.debian.net/1139620/ |
| 21:24.37 | L0aD1nG | it askes for a object instead of a string |
| 21:24.53 | somiaj | user217217: no debian allows you to install one of many desktops. There isn't a special kde one, you can can choose to install KDE during the install. |
| 21:25.30 | user217217 | somiaj: is qt fresh on it? |
| 21:25.48 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: oh this is an issue with the launcher, not installing the package. |
| 21:26.04 | somiaj | user217217: yes, kde uses qt, you will get all the versions of kde and qt that debian has when you stainll at. |
| 21:26.18 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: what is the output of 'which torbrowser-launcher' |
| 21:26.39 | somiaj | though due to the version you are probably running the right binary. |
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| 21:28.23 | L0aD1nG | /usr/bin/torbrowser-launcher |
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| 21:30.42 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: if i am not mistaken the error is both either from stable or backports |
| 21:30.57 | L0aD1nG | cause i installed it from both and the error remains |
| 21:31.26 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: Can't find any info regarding this issue, but some suggestion I have seen. you could try 'torbrowser-launcher --settings' see if you can force it to redownload things. You might also want to remove the local cache of files in $HOME. |
| 21:31.55 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: one thing you could test is create a new user, log into X with that new user, and run torbrowser-launcher, this will let you know there is some issue in the $HOME dir of your current user. |
| 21:33.14 | L0aD1nG | torbrowser-launcher --settings is throwing the same error i posted |
| 21:33.40 | Gerula | I'm on debian xfce, and sometimes vlc goes to 100% cpu usage and the system is unusable. I switch to a different tty, kill vlc but then when I go back there's only the cursor. if I kill any other process X restarts the session. I looked into earlyoom and installed it but it doesn't make a difference. What would be a correct way to handle this problem? |
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| 21:34.05 | L0aD1nG | i ll just stick out with the set up of tor browser i had. I just wanted to see if i can have via the repos so have no external programs installed at all |
| 21:34.30 | L0aD1nG | now for the tor-browser i can do an exception |
| 21:34.53 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: I didn't see any bug report about your issue, so I would try to see if a user with a clean $HOME still has this problem. |
| 21:35.34 | L0aD1nG | i am about to sleep now do you want me to do it tommorow? |
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| 21:35.51 | somiaj | your choice, depends on how much you want to debug this, or just use a local install of tor-browser. |
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| 21:37.00 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: can you tell me how my /etc/apt/prefferences should look like? |
| 21:37.42 | L0aD1nG | to install everytime from stable. |
| 21:39.20 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: by default you don't need that file. I don't have one. |
| 21:39.54 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: so i just delete it and the its the default situation right? |
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| 21:40.20 | somiaj | should be, though instead of delete you can move it somewhere else (As a backup) in case you want (or need) to change other thigns from the default. |
| 21:41.33 | L0aD1nG | okay. thank you so much for the help! |
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| 23:12.01 | hiya | If I were to exact data from meta.db file by tracker, which software should I use? |
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| 23:13.51 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | hiya: You should probably start by running: file meta.db |
| 23:13.55 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | To see what sort of db it is. |
| 23:18.29 | hiya | Aurora_iz_kosmos: SQlite |
| 23:20.29 | Aurora_iz_kosmos | hiya: I'd recommend getting sqlite then. |
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| 23:41.48 | Gerula | <Gerula> I'm on debian xfce, and sometimes vlc goes to 100% cpu usage and the system is unusable. I switch to a different tty, kill vlc but then when I go back there's only the cursor. if I kill any other process X restarts the session. I looked into earlyoom and installed it but it doesn't make a difference. What would be a correct way to handle this problem? |
| 23:41.51 | Gerula | anyone? |
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| 23:46.54 | lwp | !anyone |
| 23:46.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 23:47.40 | lwp | !hurry |
| 23:47.40 | dpkg | it has been said that hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on. |
| 23:51.39 | Gerula | don't mean to nag, there are obviously more than one way to go about this |
| 23:52.18 | BloatHunter | are you sure you're even getting GPU acceleration |
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| 23:53.34 | Gerula | I trust so, nv proprietary driver is installed, and it works properly in gl xscreensavers |
| 23:53.52 | annadane | lwp, not to nitpick but 1) it's obviously not an "anyone" thing because OP was clear with their question and 2) i think 3 seconds later is short enough for it not to be a "pls pay attention to me and answer me nao" thing, i think it was just them adding a remark after the fact |
| 23:55.38 | annadane | i spam the crap out of factoids excessively too, but... |
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| 23:57.28 | BloatHunter | >nvidia |
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