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| 00:19.47 | FUtz | hey guys, anyone know how can i to change the process name, in my bashscript? |
| 00:19.52 | FUtz | its possible? |
| 00:20.23 | FUtz | to show in ps like [futz] |
| 00:21.49 | FUtz | currently looks like "/bin/sh ./futz" |
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| 00:22.08 | FUtz | its possible to change? |
| 00:22.58 | sney | stuff in [] is kernel processes, iirc |
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| 00:23.36 | FUtz | can i change other name ? |
| 00:23.53 | sney | put it in your path and call it directly and it will just be /path/to/futz |
| 00:24.12 | sney | but the process name is just the name of the script, nothing complicated |
| 00:24.56 | FUtz | sney not is possible just just ? |
| 00:25.07 | FUtz | like this root 3121 0.0 0.0 117176 1308 ? Ss 00:00 0:07 crond |
| 00:25.27 | FUtz | oh :/ |
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| 00:25.52 | Aurora-Sensei | How does one work using local js dependencies installed with apt? |
| 00:26.54 | Aurora-Sensei | Pointing deps in webpack or npm at a given package just makes dependency resolution fail for its own dependencies. |
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| 00:28.09 | sney | you pretty much just have to do one or the other. if you want everything to be manageable via apt, package it. if you want to use npm et al, don't use apt |
| 00:28.50 | sney | there are ways to convince apt you already have something installed, and npm might have overrides for that stuff too, but why use two package managers in the first place? |
| 00:28.52 | Aurora-Sensei | So manually use webpack. Mkay. Is there any way to setup its resolution to lookup debian lib locations? |
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| 00:29.23 | sney | I have never used webpack, but if that is possible it is probably documented |
| 00:30.51 | elios | uh, what's sensors in 10.3? |
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| 00:31.47 | sney | ,file /usr/bin/sensors |
| 00:31.51 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/sensors in buster/amd64: lm-sensors: usr/bin/sensors |
| 00:31.56 | sney | same as it ever was? |
| 00:32.04 | Aurora-Sensei | https://webpack.js.org/concepts/module-resolution/#module-paths https://webpack.js.org/configuration/resolve/#resolvemodules Seems like it may be possible after all. |
| 00:32.29 | elios | oh, lm-senors. thanks alot. |
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| 01:19.30 | Aurora-Sensei | Oh great. Cannot build because the nodejs coreutils are too old in Stable. |
| 01:19.50 | Aurora-Sensei | It's missing a class the other package is expecting. |
| 01:21.07 | dvs | ,v nodejs |
| 01:21.09 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; bullseye: 10.19.0~dfsg-3; sid: 10.20.0~dfsg-1; experimental: 12.13.1~dfsg-1 |
| 01:21.22 | sponix | Aurora-Sensei: node.js is a pain in the ass |
| 01:21.27 | Aurora-Sensei | sponix: Indeed. |
| 01:21.53 | dvs | Yet so many companies ask for it |
| 01:21.57 | sponix | Aurora-Sensei: any time I end up working with it, it goes in a VM so it can't break anything else |
| 01:22.14 | Aurora-Sensei | Probably a reasonable stance. |
| 01:22.28 | sponix | dvs: Yes, it is the new hotness for request. But hot garbage IMHO |
| 01:22.52 | sponix | Aurora-Sensei: might see what Ubuntu 20.04 BETA server has on hand for node.js (inside a VM) |
| 01:23.02 | Aurora-Sensei | I wanted to use it locally so I could avoid downloading a blob of JS for a userscript and instead compile from debian-packaged (somewhat more trustworthy source). |
| 01:23.19 | sponix | Or hell.. Arch :) |
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| 01:24.11 | Aurora-Sensei | Heh. I've got such solutions. But yeah. I think it's moot anyway. Seems like the site I wanted to scrape is slowly going to hell anyway. |
| 01:26.17 | sponix | I did a couple crypto pool hosting things with node.js as paid projects. All I can say is, the pay wasn't enough to compensate for pulling my hair out :P |
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| 05:38.11 | FUtz | hey guys, can i choose a number of PID when i run a binary ? |
| 05:38.18 | FUtz | is there a command for this? |
| 05:40.34 | Wulf | FUtz: you can't. |
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| 05:42.05 | Wulf | FUtz: or maybe... |
| 05:42.12 | Wulf | They added something in linux 5.5 |
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| 09:10.33 | Gryllida | hi guys. how do i buy a laptop online that runs debian well? |
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| 09:11.54 | mutante | Gryllida: either you can google literally "Linux on ..." for some model or i would say just buy a Thinkpad and it's pretty much safe |
| 09:12.15 | Gryllida | do they still make thinkpads? |
| 09:12.26 | mutante | yea, Lenovo branded , but yes |
| 09:12.31 | Gryllida | i have a laptop from 2010 or so, just exploring the market as i might be able to get a new one at expense of employer |
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| 09:13.37 | mutante | i recommend a Thinkapd start with X for example X250 if you want to spend about 500 or X1 if you want to spend over 1000 (but have an "ultrabook", really light-weight but not crappy) |
| 09:14.02 | squigz | (Debian 10, Kernel 4.19) I'm running into some sound issues - Yesterday, my PCI sound card completely disappeared from pulse/alsa. I tried rebooting & replugging the card, but nothing seemed to fix it, until suddenly it just reappeared. Just a few minutes ago, the card stopped producing sound, but pulse/alsa can at least still see it. Kernel gave me these messages: |
| 09:14.03 | squigz | https://gist.github.com/squigglezworth/1c9932656d2a7710fbcfde6d91c93a90 Anything you guys could point me to would be greatly appreciated. |
| 09:14.13 | mutante | the only thing is you will need non-free driver for the wifi .. all else just works |
| 09:14.35 | ratrace | Gryllida: you can also get one of those System76 things, they're precisely built for linux |
| 09:15.16 | mutante | also "refurbished" is a nice way to reduce cost but still get decent hardware |
| 09:15.37 | ratrace | I've also historically had only positive experiences with Acer laptops |
| 09:16.53 | mutante | Gryllida: in general things are better now compared to back in 2010 more hardware will just work. but to be safe try to find it on https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ |
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| 09:17.33 | nt80 | dell latitude E7XXX are highly compatible with debian |
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| 09:22.26 | mutante | except About 6.950.000 results for "Why Dell sucks", like "Why are Dell laptops such crap? - Quora" "Really, why does Dell suck so bad? - Windows Central Forums" hehe |
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| 09:28.06 | squigz | I found some related issues online that suggest adding a new option to the alsa-base kernel mod configuration - but I don't see such a alsa-base.conf or similar file in /etc/modprobe.d/ - Can I just create it? |
| 09:28.41 | squigz | This is what I'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto#Playing_with_probe_mask |
| 09:28.43 | ratrace | squigz: yes |
| 09:28.50 | squigz | Okay |
| 09:28.57 | squigz | Do I have to load a module or anything, or just reboot? |
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| 09:29.50 | ratrace | squigz: I don't know if those module options can be applied at run time, so I guess you better reboot just in case. BTW.... if that hardware was working and then suddenly it developed such issues, and there were no relevant software updates, consider that the hardware is simply failing |
| 09:30.00 | squigz | I know... |
| 09:30.20 | squigz | really can't afford HW issues at the moment, so I'm in denial :P |
| 09:30.38 | ratrace | squigz: also, PCI, you mean it's inserted into the slot? consider de-rusting the connectors |
| 09:30.49 | squigz | Hmm |
| 09:31.01 | squigz | I sure hope they're not rusty |
| 09:31.06 | ratrace | connector rust/oxidation is usually the most likely cause for PCI cards to develop issues. |
| 09:31.15 | ratrace | squigz: it's copper. copper oxidizes. |
| 09:31.37 | squigz | This is a bit out of my area... Is there a recommend way of cleaning that? |
| 09:31.43 | ratrace | it also affects sata cables, so you hear about "reseating" them. |
| 09:31.55 | ratrace | squigz: I just use fine grained sand paper :) |
| 09:31.58 | mutante | WD-40 spray can of ? |
| 09:32.28 | ratrace | i'd be careful with wd40. while it does eat rust.... it also leaves oily residue which may or may not be conductive to electricity.... |
| 09:32.39 | squigz | Yeah I feel like that's asking for more trouble :P |
| 09:32.45 | squigz | But HW isn't my area |
| 09:32.58 | squigz | I'm gunna try the module option, at any rate, and give my entire computer a good clean in the next day or two |
| 09:33.19 | ratrace | sandpaper the connectors or use a knife or something to scratch the oxidation layer away |
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| 09:33.42 | ratrace | very carefully, of course, with minimum force |
| 09:34.09 | leorat | pencil eraser |
| 09:34.34 | squigz | leorat: wait is that really enough? |
| 09:34.38 | leorat | < school of electronic engineering |
| 09:35.22 | squigz | *sigh* |
| 09:35.25 | squigz | module option did not work |
| 09:35.31 | squigz | and now the card isn't showing up at all |
| 09:36.00 | ratrace | my crystal ball foresees a certain application of sandpaper or pencil eraser, in your immediate future. :) |
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| 09:36.23 | squigz | Honestly I'm pretty sure it's a more basic HW issue :/ I had some IO errors a few weeks back... |
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| 09:37.13 | squigz | Damn, was in the middle of an episode of Westworld... |
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| 09:38.44 | ratrace | squigz: what would be "more basic HW issue"? those things have no moving parts, so the most likely problem will be caused by oxidation. followed by shortcuts in condensers, short of mechanical damage to the components. |
| 09:39.20 | squigz | ratrace: Multiple HW issues with no related software upgrades would indicate to me a possible mobo issue, no? |
| 09:39.34 | ratrace | oxidation can also eat away at cold solder joints which at some point becomes insulator |
| 09:40.05 | ratrace | squigz: debugging starts with _most_ likely causes. I'd reseat that thing, followed by cleaning the connectors, followed by looking elsewhere |
| 09:40.21 | squigz | Well I did the first thing |
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| 09:40.26 | squigz | I guess today is computer cleaning today. Joy. |
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| 09:40.44 | ratrace | squigz: tried another pci slot as well? |
| 09:41.03 | squigz | No. Not even certain I have another appropriately-sized slot |
| 09:41.08 | squigz | But I will do that if I can |
| 09:41.23 | ratrace | squigz: btw, the mobo has no onboard audio? |
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| 09:41.39 | squigz | It does, and that works |
| 09:41.45 | squigz | I use both outputs though |
| 09:42.10 | ratrace | but I mean, you can finish the Westworld episode in peace :) |
| 09:42.14 | squigz | Heh |
| 09:42.15 | squigz | Very true |
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| 09:42.51 | nt80 | mutante btw you probably didn't google same for hp,acer,lenovo etc |
| 09:42.53 | GNU\colossus | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 09:42.55 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u3; buster-backports: 5.4.19-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.19-1; sid: 5.5.13-2 |
| 09:46.02 | mutante | nt80: sure, but there are still trends. HP: 24.400.000 Dell: 6.950.000, Lenovo: 2.580.000, Acer: 890.000 :) (all of them 'why $brand sucks) |
| 09:46.57 | nt80 | i think it's only related to popularity of each |
| 09:47.05 | squigz | "Why HP is awesome" has 165m results :P |
| 09:47.18 | trek00 | :D |
| 09:47.45 | mutante | hahhaa, ok, fair enough :) |
| 09:48.03 | nt80 | that google request is definitely not a determining factor for some awesome models of each brand. hp has good servers, for example |
| 09:48.16 | mutante | remember "googlefight" bot trigger here on IRC? that was for this :) |
| 09:49.09 | trek00 | nt80: they bought DEC :) |
| 09:50.27 | mutante | "why Dell is awesome" finds "Alienware is awesome. Dell sucks" on the Dell forum itself *gg* |
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| 09:52.24 | nt80 | why google sucks |
| 09:53.00 | ratrace | I must've been very lucky. Never bought a laptop specifically for linux, never bothered to check hw compat. they all worked out of the box. HP first, then several Acers later. |
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| 09:54.07 | Gryllida | yeah i am in the sydney area |
| 09:54.08 | nt80 | for me it's vice versa: older hp laptop always worked with linux, newer not. older dell laptops never worked with linux, newer work |
| 09:54.15 | Gryllida | would prefer something that ships from the same country |
| 09:54.36 | Gryllida | InstallingDebianOn has a somewhat impractical layout, itis good after i already found the laptop elsewhere |
| 09:55.09 | Gryllida | say, i start here: https://www.jbhifi.com.au/?q=lenovo%20laptop&hPP=36&idx=shopify_products&p=0 |
| 09:55.32 | Gryllida | cheapest: https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/lenovo-ideapad-c340-14-2-in-1-touchscreen-laptop-128gb |
| 09:55.38 | Gryllida | Lenovo Ideapad C340 14" 2-in-1 Touchscreen Laptop |
| 09:56.02 | Gryllida | not listed here: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Lenovo |
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| 09:59.02 | marduk | hm, I never had any hardware that didn`t worked for me on linux... maybe I am lucky. I had some issues but always found a solution |
| 09:59.32 | Gryllida | https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/asus-vivobook-f402-14-hd-laptop-amd == https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/F402SA or not? |
| 10:01.14 | nt80 | https://puri.sm/products/librem-13/ good also |
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| 11:16.57 | ws2k3 | im trying to rsync a mysql directory from the current server to a new server. but when i run rsync -avhz --progress --partial --numeric-ids --exclude=/dev --exclude=/sys --exclude=/proc root@server:/var/lib/mysql/ /var/lib/mysql nothing actualy happens..... what could i be wroing wrong? |
| 11:17.45 | ratrace | ws2k3: -h is "help" |
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| 11:18.39 | ws2k3 | ratrace no i mean i see this receiving incremental file list |
| 11:18.39 | ws2k3 | sent 20 bytes received 40 bytes 24.00 bytes/sec |
| 11:18.39 | ws2k3 | total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 |
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| 11:21.59 | ratrace | ws2k3: for starters, I'd use a much less complicated option list..... I'd just use -va root@server:/var/lib/mysql/ /var/lib/mysql/ and if you want total transfer progress, then it's --info=progress2 |
| 11:22.21 | ratrace | I also like to add -X and -A to retain xattrs and ACLs, just in case |
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| 11:23.27 | ws2k3 | ratrace still the same. it doesnt transfer anything |
| 11:23.40 | ratrace | ws2k3: well are you sure the source dir is populated then? |
| 11:23.49 | ws2k3 | ratrace yes |
| 11:24.02 | ratrace | you can add -i to see itemized changes which includes unchaged files in the output too |
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| 11:24.18 | ratrace | (probably not with --info=progress2 at the same time tho) |
| 11:25.12 | ws2k3 | ratrace still no transfers :S this is so werid |
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| 11:25.21 | ws2k3 | im 100 % sure there is data there. no symlinks nothing |
| 11:26.07 | ws2k3 | ratrace hostfile :) |
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| 11:26.16 | ratrace | wrong server? |
| 11:26.25 | ws2k3 | jup cause of a faulty hostfile |
| 11:27.36 | ratrace | mmmh-hmm. |
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| 11:34.52 | omar | hey guys |
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| 11:47.08 | ice9 | if apache mod_php is used, can I also use php-fpm for another php version at the same time? |
| 11:47.41 | ratrace | ice9: technically yes. |
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| 11:49.35 | ratrace | ice9: the bigger question is how to co-install multiple versions of php |
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| 11:56.45 | bryanpedini | I recently changed my primary monitor because the previous one came up with dead pixels, before I had two identical monitors, now I have two different brands. (I swapped the monitor on Windows, so for Debian's sake it was basically a shut-off situation). |
| 11:57.02 | Lope | ratrace, I've gotten further with my x2go experiments. |
| 11:57.06 | GarySmith2222 | hello! |
| 11:57.20 | GarySmith2222 | What time is it in your countries? |
| 11:57.29 | GarySmith2222 | @sr |
| 11:57.35 | bryanpedini | Now every time I boot in Debian I have to manually change the primary monitor to the new one, because the bottom panel and the primary desktop background are on the wrong monitor |
| 11:57.41 | bryanpedini | Does anybody know why? |
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| 11:58.46 | GarySmith2222 | Maybe you changed something important,bryanpedini |
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| 11:59.23 | GarySmith2222 | Because I can't use pacman properly |
| 11:59.44 | bryanpedini | the physical ports used for the two monitors are the same, the connector is the same (HDMI for both monitors, before and after, no change), and even the resolution is the same (FullHD before and after for both monitors) |
| 11:59.58 | Lope | ratrace, it turns out that no custom options are necessary in qemu.conf on the host and no custom pulseaudio config options are necessary in the guest. it will work with ICH6, AC97 audio and probably ICH9 as well via x2go. Literally the only requirements that I've been able to establish so far is 1. Must use spice. If I use VNC for the Display then can't get any sound. 2. Must not run sddm service because then pulseaudio gets run twice probably, one for |
| 11:59.59 | Lope | each X session, then the audio doesn't come through x2go. |
| 12:00.16 | GarySmith2222 | And I am in a trouble now |
| 12:00.26 | bryanpedini | the only think I can think it changed, is the refresh rate of my new primary monitor that I bought specifically for "more advanced" gaming, so I went with a 75Hz display... |
| 12:00.34 | GarySmith2222 | I can't connect to my computer |
| 12:00.38 | Lope | ratrace, I'm trying to see about enabling GPU acceleration in the VM, to see if that helps with CPU usage of playing a youtube video in it. just for interest sake. |
| 12:00.39 | bryanpedini | IDK, nothing else I can think of... |
| 12:00.47 | GarySmith2222 | I am using IRC in my phone |
| 12:01.07 | ratrace | GarySmith2222: you're probably in the wrong channel and want #archlinux |
| 12:01.24 | GarySmith2222 | this is a good advice |
| 12:01.30 | GarySmith2222 | goodbye everyone |
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| 12:01.38 | ratrace | bryanpedini: assuming you've tried your DE's Settings UI to set and force primary monitory? |
| 12:02.11 | bryanpedini | ratrace, yep, gone on System Settings on Plasma KDE and set the primary monitor to the Acer one |
| 12:02.27 | bryanpedini | but it resets at every boot to the Samsung panel... |
| 12:03.00 | ratrace | bryanpedini: did you try switching the order of ports the monitors connect to? |
| 12:03.21 | ratrace | something something gpu init or bios, somethign something race condition |
| 12:03.38 | bryanpedini | ratrace, no, because the physical port the Acer (primary) monitor is connected, is the first one the GPU displays image on during POST and BIOS |
| 12:03.51 | bryanpedini | so I would like it to remain in the Acer's monitor... |
| 12:04.02 | bryanpedini | it's basically the default factory port 0... |
| 12:04.06 | ratrace | bryanpedini: but just for a test.... |
| 12:04.11 | bryanpedini | I can try, sure... |
| 12:04.41 | ratrace | bryanpedini: meanwhile, if you have nvidia, iirc nvida-settings has a way to configure monitor geometry, you just need to run that as root so it can save a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:04.48 | Lope | ratrace, Since messing around with the spice display virtual hardware, trying to enable openGL for the VM's display device (I dunno if that would be accessible by the x2go session) virt-manager has been giving me errors about certificates. right now I'm getting some errors Could not load certificates from /etc/pki/qemu/server-cert.pem. The /etc/pki/qemu/ didn't actually exist. So I generated some self-signed crap and put it in there but it's not happy |
| 12:04.48 | Lope | about it. |
| 12:05.29 | bryanpedini | ratrace, is "X Server XVideo Settings" under "X Screen 0"? |
| 12:06.02 | ratrace | bryanpedini: "X Server Display configuration" which is second option from the top, in nvidia-settings |
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| 12:06.41 | bryanpedini | Acer monitor has been correctly set from the System Settings to be the primary one |
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| 12:06.51 | bryanpedini | with KDE integration with Nvidia settings |
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| 12:08.57 | ws2k3 | how can i install a package from oldstable on buster? |
| 12:09.17 | bryanpedini | also, to be noted, even tho I have the Nvidia proprietary drivers, I still have tearing and stuttering on the monitors (only on Debian tho, not on Win) |
| 12:09.34 | bryanpedini | ws2k3, you can try adding oldstable in your sources.list |
| 12:09.39 | abrotman | ws2k3: why would you want to do that? |
| 12:09.46 | Wulf | ws2k3: download the package, dpkg -i. Or download the sources and compile them on buster. |
| 12:09.54 | abrotman | It's like you're determined to break your system on a daily basis |
| 12:11.07 | bryanpedini | ratrace, any clue on why it would reset even tho it has correct primary monitor settings both on system and on Nvidia control panel? |
| 12:11.36 | ratrace | bryanpedini: some race condition with gpu initialization or something. that's why I wanted to suggest to use nvida-settings to create a xorg.conf and try to force the geometry that way |
| 12:11.38 | ws2k3 | abrotman Wulf i need https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libboost-locale1.62.0 |
| 12:12.06 | abrotman | What's wrong with the libboost in Buster? |
| 12:12.21 | bryanpedini | ratrace, let me reboot, and when I get the reset monitor, I'll check the Nvidia settings to see if those get reset too... |
| 12:12.29 | bryanpedini | sounds good for troubleshooting? |
| 12:12.37 | omar | bryanpedini bumblebee fixes the tearing |
| 12:13.03 | ws2k3 | abaranov i think its not available https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost-locale1.62.0 |
| 12:13.22 | bryanpedini | omar, I do not have a secondary GPU tho (I mean, I have, but nothing is connected to it, this is a PC not a laptop, if my understanding of what Bumblebee is for is correct) |
| 12:13.35 | bryanpedini | or it doesn't matter? |
| 12:13.48 | omar | ahhhhh |
| 12:13.51 | abrotman | ws2k3: what are you isntalling that requires that specific package/version? |
| 12:13.53 | omar | never mind |
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| 12:14.23 | bryanpedini | let me reboot and check things by the way... |
| 12:14.26 | abrotman | judd: versions libboost-locale1.67.0 |
| 12:14.27 | judd | Package: libboost-locale1.67.0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.67.0-7~bpo9+1; buster: 1.67.0-13+deb10u1; bullseye: 1.67.0-17; sid: 1.67.0-17+b1 |
| 12:14.37 | squigz | ratrace: Well, I pulled the card out and checked it out, there didn't appear to be any rust. I put it in aother slot. Still not showing up :/ |
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| 12:16.34 | bryanpedini | ratrace, checked... |
| 12:16.55 | bryanpedini | after reboot, both in Nvidia settings and on system settings the primary monitor is simply not set |
| 12:17.16 | ratrace | bryanpedini: but did nvidia-settings save into /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 12:17.28 | bryanpedini | I don't think so... |
| 12:17.47 | bryanpedini | I have to launch nvidia settings as with sudo and save to that file, don't I? |
| 12:17.51 | ratrace | so my suggestion was to use nvidia-settings and "Save to X Configuration file" button |
| 12:17.53 | bryanpedini | (I didn't know the path) |
| 12:18.05 | ratrace | bryanpedini: it does by itself, you just run it as root. |
| 12:18.48 | bryanpedini | `/etc/X11/xorg.conf` doesn't exist yet |
| 12:18.48 | ws2k3 | abrotman znc |
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| 12:19.10 | ratrace | bryanpedini: it will create it. nowadays xorg.conf is not needed due to autodetection, but it's a way to force settings to xorg |
| 12:19.32 | bryanpedini | okay, saved. |
| 12:19.35 | ratrace | bryanpedini: if for some reason that goes south and you're unable to boot into graphics mode later, put systemd.unit=multi-user.target into kernel command line via grub, boot into text mode and remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf that nvidia-settings created |
| 12:19.46 | squigz | ratrace: Hmmm. So according to `lshw`, the card is recognized, but it's not being seen by alsa |
| 12:20.13 | bryanpedini | ratrace, seems like this is a force method that sometimes break things... |
| 12:20.31 | bryanpedini | btw, let me reboot one more time and check... |
| 12:20.44 | ratrace | bryanpedini: well nvidia-settings will store entire settings into xorg.conf, not just geometry, and it is _possible_ (though not likely) it'll break on next boot |
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| 12:21.17 | omar | 50-50 |
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| 12:22.01 | bryanpedini | ratrace, it worked |
| 12:22.08 | ratrace | bryanpedini: correct order on boot? |
| 12:22.11 | bryanpedini | yes |
| 12:22.12 | ratrace | very nice. |
| 12:22.13 | ratrace | !next |
| 12:22.14 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:22.39 | bryanpedini | all tho it still pops up the bloody thing as when you connect another monitor or projector at every boot... |
| 12:22.52 | bryanpedini | as it connected the second monitor after boot |
| 12:22.57 | bryanpedini | IDK tho... |
| 12:23.06 | ratrace | pops up what? |
| 12:23.17 | bryanpedini | the thing you get when pressing Meta+P |
| 12:23.25 | bryanpedini | the slider to change the monitor configuration |
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| 12:24.05 | ratrace | bryanpedini: ah that must be something specific to KDE, i'm not familiar with it |
| 12:24.38 | bryanpedini | now I only have tearing left to fix, and I have a perfectly working Linux system better than Windows |
| 12:24.50 | bryanpedini | (it is better than Windows ANYWAY, but, whatever...) |
| 12:25.10 | omar | I think its detecting that there is a different monitor attached |
| 12:25.26 | omar | i have the same thing in xfce. but not fluxbox |
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| 12:26.17 | omar | Windows is poop so.... |
| 12:26.25 | bryanpedini | omar, agree... |
| 12:26.31 | bryanpedini | it really seems that tho |
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| 12:26.58 | bryanpedini | it seems that it detects the new monitor as being attached after the first one or something like that |
| 12:27.04 | omar | yep |
| 12:27.17 | bryanpedini | which is clearly not true because I login on the Acer primary monitor on SDDM so... |
| 12:27.28 | omar | something on those lines, as it doesnt happen in a tiling window manager |
| 12:27.30 | bryanpedini | it has to be connected before login if I login on that monitor, right? |
| 12:27.39 | omar | i say you are better off with xfce4 really |
| 12:27.49 | omar | plasma is so complicated |
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| 12:28.19 | bryanpedini | it is, but it's daaaamn configurable... |
| 12:28.28 | bryanpedini | I can change everything and customize every bit |
| 12:28.40 | bryanpedini | even the upper right three buttons for minimizing and closing |
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| 12:28.57 | bryanpedini | things like "I don't want a red circle to be drawn around the X icon for closing" |
| 12:29.23 | bryanpedini | I really like the way Plasma gives me all these options, so I've stuck with it for almost three years now |
| 12:29.36 | squigz | Okay alsamixer is listing the card, but pulse's tools aren't.. |
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| 12:38.09 | omar | agreed Brian |
| 12:38.12 | bryanpedini | found it |
| 12:38.21 | bryanpedini | it was "Force Full Composition Pipeline" |
| 12:38.22 | omar | bryan* |
| 12:38.25 | bryanpedini | on nvidia-settings |
| 12:38.28 | bryanpedini | for both monitors |
| 12:38.33 | bryanpedini | and tearing is gone |
| 12:38.34 | bryanpedini | !next |
| 12:38.35 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:38.37 | bryanpedini | YOUHOUR! |
| 12:38.44 | omar | did that fix the tearing? |
| 12:38.44 | bryanpedini | youhou * |
| 12:38.48 | bryanpedini | yep it did |
| 12:38.55 | omar | awesome sauce |
| 12:38.58 | bryanpedini | I never knew the option so.. |
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| 12:39.53 | bryanpedini | now I got a perfectly working Linux setup with right primary monitor and no tearing |
| 12:40.19 | bryanpedini | if only gaming on Linux worked like a charm *without a F.. emulator* |
| 12:40.27 | omar | i have to agree |
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| 12:40.56 | omar | but leaving off gaming has given me a lot of time to do other things |
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| 12:41.03 | ratrace | bryanpedini: wait, what emulator |
| 12:41.23 | bryanpedini | ratrace, what do you thing Wine is? |
| 12:41.28 | bryanpedini | think * |
| 12:41.29 | Lope | brb |
| 12:41.35 | ratrace | definitely not an emulator. it's exactly what the acronym says :) |
| 12:41.47 | ratrace | WINE Is Not (an) Emulator :) |
| 12:41.59 | bryanpedini | -.- |
| 12:42.08 | omar | i have trouble with wine |
| 12:42.12 | Pyro_Killer | Hello everyone, I'm trying to add http://deb.debian.org/debian testing to raspbian buster, but I get a "public key is not available" error, can anyone help me add the keys to trusted? |
| 12:42.13 | omar | WINE |
| 12:42.21 | bryanpedini | hahaha give you credit tho.. you're right.. |
| 12:42.51 | ratrace | bryanpedini: but really, it's an API shim. emulation is something quite more involved and layered/interpreted at lower levels |
| 12:43.18 | ratrace | totally not unlike what WSL is, in reverse, on Windows. API shim for linux syscalls on NT kernel |
| 12:43.22 | bryanpedini | ratrace, what's actually better? API wrapping, or emulating a Windows NT Kernel over Linux? |
| 12:44.00 | ratrace | I think that "better" needs to be defined here. depends on the use case I suppose. |
| 12:45.11 | squigz | Welp. Mumble was locking the card, apparently |
| 12:45.14 | bryanpedini | ratrace, better performance, less crashes, less API do-hickies, less tearing and graphics bugg... |
| 12:45.24 | bryanpedini | those kind of "objective better" standards |
| 12:46.18 | ratrace | bryanpedini: pick two :) https://miro.medium.com/max/1000/0*BXO-Krt9rSiopn6k. |
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| 12:46.49 | bryanpedini | "unable to process image" ratrace |
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| 12:47.08 | ratrace | bryanpedini: but with my admittedly limited experience in inner workings of WINE, I'd say what it does now is vastly better, at least performance wise, than any emulation would be |
| 12:47.56 | ratrace | bryanpedini: eh, what kind of computing environment you've got there... |
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| 12:48.36 | bryanpedini | ratrace, dunno, Debian buster standard with Plasma KDE (on XFS tho) |
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| 12:49.29 | Ede|Popede | ratrace: returns a 405 |
| 12:49.51 | ratrace | which browser? works fine here in FF. anyway, try this: https://lanavedeisogni.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/good-fast-cheap.png |
| 12:50.00 | Ede|Popede | oh, found it: server: cloudflare |
| 12:50.16 | ratrace | raises fist and swears at CF |
| 12:50.48 | bryanpedini | hahahaah.... |
| 12:50.58 | bryanpedini | btw, I pick fast and good |
| 12:51.05 | bryanpedini | don't care if it's not cheap |
| 12:51.11 | Ede|Popede | cloudflare - happily breaking the web since 2009 |
| 12:51.30 | bryanpedini | don't care if I have to pay for a piece of software more than I paid for Windows itself |
| 12:51.41 | bryanpedini | as long as it is not actually Windows |
| 12:51.51 | bryanpedini | and let me game on Linux with "almost-native" performance |
| 12:52.30 | bryanpedini | Ede|Popede, you're right, only one time I tried to setup CloudFlare for my website, it broke it for more than 48 hours |
| 12:52.33 | Ede|Popede | too much money? always happy to help ;) |
| 12:52.48 | bryanpedini | you have to design a website just to be taken care by CF |
| 12:52.56 | bryanpedini | it's not the other way around |
| 12:53.15 | Ede|Popede | bryanpedini: no, it's never them. it's either the client or the server. never seen a "sorry, something went wrong on our side" from them |
| 12:53.29 | bryanpedini | Ede|Popede, of course... |
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| 12:54.19 | bryanpedini | have you ever seen a "sorry, something on our F* idiot moron system because we do not know how to program it, caused all your personal documents to be permanently deleted" on Windows 10 upd. 1809? |
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| 12:54.48 | bryanpedini | I surely didn't... |
| 12:54.59 | ratrace | but people without backups are just people who never had a data failure in their life :) |
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| 12:55.58 | bryanpedini | ratrace, true, except when you consider people like my Father-in-law, to which I have personally upgraded their company's PC from Windows XP to Windows 7 last year |
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| 12:56.36 | bryanpedini | with *that* XP machine almost always connected to the internet with a PATA disk, that carried (of course, without any single backup) all their data since the start of their company |
| 12:57.07 | ratrace | bryanpedini: blaming windows for that is..... ridiculous. Some time ago I had both EXT4 and ZFS eat up files on my test systems. ext4 due to MQ bug in early 4.19 kernels, and ZFS due to some mishap with glibc... |
| 12:57.48 | ratrace | wasn't catastrophic because I had good backups. Point is, no software is free of bugs. |
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| 12:58.07 | bryanpedini | ratrace, true, that is ridiculous... until you consider a simple fact: *YOU* are responsible for what happens on misconfigured Linux systems, because *YOU* did it |
| 12:58.24 | ratrace | it wasn't misconfigurd at all. an update came in and borked everything. |
| 12:58.37 | bryanpedini | WHO is responsible for a bad coded piece of garbage OS that nobody can watch into? |
| 12:59.05 | bryanpedini | ratrace, so, basically same situation as 1809 yeah...? |
| 12:59.09 | bryanpedini | I see... |
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| 13:00.21 | ratrace | bryanpedini: but by that logic, regular users are just in the same hot water windows users are. only a handful of poeple can look into ext4 code and go "Aha! bug!" and even THEY did not spot it until it was found in the wild..... |
| 13:00.42 | ratrace | the argument is moot :) and I'm sure, very much so offtopic now ;) |
| 13:00.58 | bryanpedini | I agree with OT... |
| 13:01.19 | Ede|Popede | another reason not to use a bleeding edge distro in daily life :P |
| 13:01.32 | ratrace | Ede|Popede: you're welcome though. |
| 13:03.00 | bryanpedini | going to reboot to that moron OS to game for a little while... |
| 13:03.13 | bryanpedini | see ya all :wink: |
| 13:03.38 | bryanpedini | thanks a lot ratrace and omar for the suggestions for primary monitor and tearing! |
| 13:03.44 | ratrace | np |
| 13:04.14 | bryanpedini | fucks off with that moron Windows garbage operating system, waving in the distance to everyone |
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| 13:04.19 | bryanpedini | see ya all |
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| 13:05.00 | squigz | Did you have to say that twice? |
| 13:05.44 | ratrace | *shrug* that "moron" system is getting me a six-figured salary :9 |
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| 13:21.03 | Haohmaru | at home i can click on a bunch of files and "compress" them from the menu.. which program is that? |
| 13:22.24 | trek00 | Haohmaru: may be fileroller? |
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| 13:29.26 | Haohmaru | seems no, also it doesn't seem to be "comprez" |
| 13:31.08 | trek00 | Haohmaru: it depends by your desktop and or filemanager |
| 13:31.44 | Haohmaru | lxde/pcmanfm |
| 13:32.00 | Haohmaru | but i do have a bunch of other DEs installed at home |
| 13:32.36 | trek00 | Haohmaru: may be xarchiver? ark? engrampa? |
| 13:32.38 | Ede|Popede | Haohmaru: if something invisible takes long enough or you're fast enough you may generally find it in htop's screen, where i recommend the tree view. |
| 13:33.04 | Haohmaru | but i'm not at home |
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| 13:34.16 | trek00 | lxde seems to use xarchiver by default |
| 13:34.18 | Ede|Popede | not sure if the filemanager or the DE decides here. seems to me that they are really close to each other, w/o the fm running in the background some things don't seem to work on the desktop |
| 13:34.59 | Haohmaru | trek00 yes, but i think it's not xarchiver, because iirc xarchiver had a slightly more annoying UI when you "compress" a selection of files |
| 13:35.25 | Haohmaru | that is.. it allows you to make an archive without file extension if you're not careful |
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| 13:35.48 | trek00 | Haohmaru: you really need to check your system, because pcmanfm can use anything installed |
| 13:35.56 | Haohmaru | i know |
| 13:36.03 | Haohmaru | but i'm not at home here |
| 13:36.20 | Haohmaru | oh well.. |
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| 13:55.42 | tinga | Hi. Pulseaudio has begun to refuse to be started: pulseaudio --kill => .. no such process; pulseaudio --start => E: [PULSEAUDIO] main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
| 13:58.00 | trek00 | tinga: i really don't know pulseaudio, but if you don't need it and you only want to ear sounds, may be you can just uninstall it as last resort |
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| 13:58.34 | tinga | I used to do that for like a decade (*always* had issues with it). Then firefox started to work properly without it. |
| 13:58.46 | tinga | So I installed it again, still only starting it when using firefox. |
| 13:59.02 | tinga | And that used to work fine. But not today. |
| 13:59.08 | trek00 | i use firefox-esr without the need of pulseaudio |
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| 13:59.28 | tinga | trek00, try anything that uses the microphone, and you will notice it does need it |
| 13:59.31 | trek00 | tinga: may be you could try to delete you ~/.config/pulseaudio stuff? |
| 13:59.38 | greycat | Debian patches ALSA support back into firefox-esr. |
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| 13:59.59 | tinga | trek00, you mean ~/.config/pulse ? done that |
| 14:00.00 | trek00 | tinga: (or better to move around) |
| 14:00.25 | trek00 | tinga: well i can't help, may be someone know it better |
| 14:00.44 | tinga | greycat, I'm on oldstable and it didn't work: I had to disable the mic in Wire to get any sound, turning the mic back on would mess it up again. Same with jitsi iirc. |
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| 14:01.47 | tinga | (How a core component of linux distros can't even tell why it can't start is, not good.) |
| 14:02.14 | tinga | Alright, gonna reboot the computer. |
| 14:02.45 | greycat | If you want to use a microphone, not just play youtube videos or HTML5 games, pulseaudio is recommended. |
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| 14:05.31 | tinga | Is this informative? pulseaudio => "E: [PULSEAUDIO] main.c: Daemon startup without any loaded modules, refusing to work." |
| 14:07.16 | tinga | (I have no idea *what* kind of modules it is talking about.) |
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| 14:10.09 | greycat | first google result for that is from someone who edited their /etc/pulse/default.pa file -- any chance you did that? or that this file has become corrupt, or been deleted? |
| 14:10.21 | tinga | Nope I didn't. |
| 14:10.24 | tinga | Saw that result. |
| 14:10.40 | tinga | There's no /etc/pulse directory on my system |
| 14:10.53 | greycat | well, that sounds like a PROBLEM, then, doesn't it? |
| 14:11.03 | greycat | try PURGING (not removing) and reinstalling pulseaudio |
| 14:11.34 | greycat | "any chance the file ... been deleted?" "no...." "but the whole directory is missing including that file" |
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| 14:12.40 | tinga | Yeh, fine, I didn't do that though. "apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio" created that directory, no change. |
| 14:12.45 | tinga | Let me try purge |
| 14:12.59 | greycat | !confmiss |
| 14:12.59 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 14:13.05 | greycat | (or purge and reinstall) |
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| 14:16.09 | tinga | Purge+reinstall did create the files |
| 14:16.18 | tinga | and it starts now. |
| 14:16.23 | RadoS | !netinstaller |
| 14:16.36 | tinga | Thanks! But Now I've got NO idea why that happened. I had it running just yesterday. |
| 14:16.46 | RadoS | !net-installer |
| 14:16.49 | greycat | !netinst |
| 14:16.50 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 14:16.55 | RadoS | greycat, thanks. |
| 14:17.00 | tinga | So either it *did* run without these files yesterday, or those files vanished in a way that I have no idea why. |
| 14:17.08 | greycat | tinga: system crashed, rebooted and fsck'ed and the files were lost in the fsck? |
| 14:17.28 | tinga | Nope, didn't reboot since Apr 9 |
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| 14:17.41 | tinga | System wasn't even in hibernate or sleep. |
| 14:17.49 | tinga | No kernel error messages. |
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| 14:19.21 | RadoS | I boot up dhcp, which is setup to provide net-installer via tftp. System get params from dhcp apparently OK, then it says "PXELINUX 6.04 PXE 20190226 ..." and is stuck there, no progree |
| 14:19.51 | RadoS | ... progress... when it has come so far, what can be broken? Or is the net-installer know to be broken atm? |
| 14:20.20 | RadoS | Using the same net-installer files via grub works OK. |
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| 14:21.50 | tinga | I may have run security upgrades since I last ran pulseaudio. How can I verify that? |
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| 14:26.10 | LtL | tinga: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 14:26.38 | tinga | Just found /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 14:27.05 | tinga | dpkg.log might be better |
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| 14:28.18 | tinga | Ran upgrades firefox 4d ago. Shrug. |
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| 14:29.06 | tinga | Anyway, checked /etc/pulse into git and will see what happens. |
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| 14:32.48 | tinga | ("myzcat -s /var/log/dpkg.log*|egrep -i pulse" shows no mention between when I installed pulseaudio 3 weeks ago, and just now.) |
| 14:33.31 | tinga | (myzcat is a zcat / cat wrapper that does the right thing with files regardless of whether compressed or not.) |
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| 14:39.48 | Lope | Does anyone know how to enable OpenGL as a Display Spice device in virt-manager? I've searched about the issue. The only way I was able to get the VM to actually (supposedly) "start" without "errors" in virt-manager was to set the Display spice to listen on a unix socket. I tried auto and also explicitly selecting the GPU. I tried adding 'libvirt-qemu' user to 'render' and 'video' groups. I tried adding "/dev/dri/renderD128" to cgroup_device_acl in |
| 14:39.48 | Lope | /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf I rebooted after adjusting configs and also tried `chmod 777 /dev/dri/renderD128`. But I was not able to get the VM to fully boot when openGL was enabled for the Display Spice device and was not able to see anything on the screen nor able to get virt-manager's view > Text Consoles > Serial 1 to do/show anything whatsoever. reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1460804 |
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| 14:47.47 | n-iCe | hi guys, what's the more lightweight officially supported in debian? |
| 14:47.50 | n-iCe | since lxde is dead |
| 14:48.33 | n-iCe | DE* |
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| 14:49.19 | greycat | just use whatever you like |
| 14:49.27 | n-iCe | I want the more lightweight DE |
| 14:49.39 | n-iCe | since my laptop is kinda old |
| 14:50.03 | greycat | you're sure you actually WANT a desktop environment? why not just use a window manageR? |
| 14:50.05 | n-iCe | gnome is not working smooth at all |
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| 14:53.51 | greycat | try each thing and pick the one you hate the least |
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| 14:54.59 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: There are multiple low-resource alternatives, but as greycat suggested, a window manager might be the better option. There are loads to try, a few notable ones are i3, openbox, and jwm. There are also lightweight DEs, such as Xfce, lxde & trinity. |
| 14:55.03 | Lope | kde runs on some pretty shitty laptops if you disable all the animations etc. |
| 14:55.09 | FuzzyByte | but yeah, greycat is right. |
| 14:55.11 | Lope | and KDE is awesome |
| 14:55.13 | n-iCe | thank you guys |
| 14:55.36 | FuzzyByte | Lope: I've experienced KDE as mostly bloated and resource-hungry in the past. |
| 14:55.52 | Lope | FuzzyByte, it's improved a lot in recent years |
| 14:56.05 | Lope | uses less RAM than some other popular DE's/ |
| 14:56.21 | Lope | it's very customizable, so you can disable bells and whistles. |
| 14:56.29 | n-iCe | ok if I don't install any DE at the moment, how can I get wifi? |
| 14:56.34 | FuzzyByte | It's been a while since I last used it, so I'm not the expert. |
| 14:56.42 | Lope | n-iCe, network-manager makes it easy |
| 14:56.46 | Lope | nmtui |
| 14:56.54 | n-iCe | for wpa2? |
| 14:56.58 | Lope | yes |
| 14:56.58 | FuzzyByte | nmcli? |
| 14:57.10 | Lope | FuzzyByte, whatever, can't remember. |
| 14:57.15 | FuzzyByte | Ah, thanks. |
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| 14:57.28 | n-iCe | what's nmcli? |
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| 14:57.36 | n-iCe | googling |
| 14:57.37 | Lope | network manager terminal GUI |
| 14:57.48 | FuzzyByte | Network-manager, but as a command-line ui |
| 14:58.03 | Lope | it's like a DOS gui :) |
| 14:58.24 | Lope | think old BIOS screens |
| 14:58.30 | greycat | you might be mixing up nmtui and nmcil a bit |
| 14:58.30 | FuzzyByte | wait |
| 14:58.38 | greycat | nmcli* |
| 14:58.42 | FuzzyByte | we might not be talkking about the same thing here |
| 14:59.28 | n-iCe | in the isos what's edu? |
| 14:59.32 | FuzzyByte | I've never heard of nmtui before, I guess it's a ncurses frontend? |
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| 15:00.28 | SnakesAndStuff | What is the preferred method of installing openjdk-8-jre-headless on Debian 8.11? I'm not having any luck.... |
| 15:00.45 | FuzzyByte | package manager probably |
| 15:01.02 | FuzzyByte | usually apt |
| 15:01.45 | n-iCe | <FuzzyByte> we might not be talkking about the same thing here --> so which one I need to look to make my wpa2 connection? |
| 15:02.38 | SnakesAndStuff | FuzzyByte: That is what I am trying, but it isn't found in the repos... trying to find a stable/official repo that maintains it |
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| 15:03.05 | greycat | judd v openjdk-8-jre-headless |
| 15:03.06 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre-headless on amd64 -- stretch: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u252-b07-1 |
| 15:03.19 | greycat | Notice how "jessie" is not shown there. |
| 15:04.05 | joepublic | don't really see wheezy or buster either |
| 15:04.07 | lwp | !debian edu |
| 15:04.08 | dpkg | Debian Edu is a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as the class room, the staff room and the administration office. Ask me about <skolelinux>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 15:04.17 | dostoyevsky | I have two 500g ssds in /dev/md* -- could I tell mdadm or the like that I would like to use the 1TB fully instead of just 500g in total... I do not care about performance or data security, just having more space... |
| 15:04.36 | lwp | n-Ice: ^^^^^ |
| 15:04.46 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: nmcli should be preinstalled, btu you might find it hard t use, so I encourage you to get nmtui. |
| 15:05.24 | SnakesAndStuff | judd: But is that save to add that repo for jessie/8.11? |
| 15:05.29 | SnakesAndStuff | *safe |
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| 15:05.42 | joepublic | no, it isn't |
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| 15:06.05 | SnakesAndStuff | joepublic: I didn't think so... I'm trying to figure out the best way to install it on 8.11/jessie |
| 15:06.05 | n-iCe | FuzzyByte: it's preinstalled too? |
| 15:06.28 | joepublic | i am absolutely not recommending that you just grab the package and see if gdebi will install it. |
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| 15:07.07 | joepublic | this is kind of a faq but nobody likes the answer |
| 15:07.23 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: nmcli should usually be preinstalled if you're already using network-manager, I am unsure about nmtui. |
| 15:07.43 | n-iCe | FuzzyByte: I'm just going to install Debian |
| 15:07.48 | greycat | judd file bin/nmtui |
| 15:07.51 | judd | Search for bin/nmtui in buster/amd64: network-manager: usr/bin/nmtui |
| 15:07.56 | greycat | "yes" |
| 15:07.58 | joepublic | that's a yes |
| 15:08.01 | Choumou | Hello ! Can I detect failed login attemps on user session and start a script when i'm detecting it ? |
| 15:08.33 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: depends on the application and where the logs are stored for it |
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| 15:09.40 | FuzzyByte | you might write a script to read failed authentication attempts off a logfile, e.g. failed ssh logins |
| 15:10.01 | Choumou | No logs, I just want to write a script that will be executed everytime that someone try to connect on a debian session, automatically |
| 15:10.04 | Choumou | In real time |
| 15:10.06 | Choumou | Is it possible ? |
| 15:10.17 | dostoyevsky | Would `mdadm /dev/md2 --grow --level=0' convert my raid1 to a raid0? |
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| 15:10.44 | greycat | Choumou: Without parsing logs? I'm just gonna go ahead and say "no". |
| 15:10.44 | FuzzyByte | I can't help you with that, sorry. But you might try fail2ban for ssh stuff. |
| 15:11.31 | Choumou | It's not ssh stuff, it's debian session like when you start debian |
| 15:11.54 | Choumou | I know it seems weird but i would like to do it x) |
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| 15:12.38 | greycat | What in the hell do you mean by "debian session"? |
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| 15:12.56 | Choumou | The user session |
| 15:12.57 | greycat | Clearly you're using this term which means something entirely different to YOU than to everyone else. |
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| 15:13.09 | Choumou | Like the root session but for normal user |
| 15:13.11 | n-iCe | Ok I'm installing debian, I'm in my phone here. |
| 15:13.22 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: nice |
| 15:13.37 | greycat | ... what the hell is "the root session"? |
| 15:13.56 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: You would be able to put stuff into the profile.d |
| 15:14.18 | Choumou | For sure |
| 15:14.25 | greycat | /etc/profile.d/ is only used by LOGIN SHELLS of the Bourne family. I.e. not tcsh. |
| 15:14.48 | greycat | It is not used by non-shell logins, or by (t)csh logins, and I don't know about fish and zsh. |
| 15:15.01 | Choumou | I want to execute scrit when someone failed to conenct to my session ( from my debian computer ) |
| 15:15.02 | n-iCe | FuzzyByte lost logs, what's the name of the network tool again, please |
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| 15:15.10 | Choumou | But i dont know how to do it |
| 15:15.25 | greycat | Choumou: do you mean when someone tries to LOG IN and FAILS? |
| 15:15.29 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: nmtui for a ncurses type of thing |
| 15:15.33 | Choumou | greycat : yes |
| 15:15.40 | greycat | Choumou: just parse the logs, in real time. |
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| 15:15.51 | greycat | tail -F /var/log/auth.log | some reader |
| 15:16.13 | Choumou | Okk thanks |
| 15:16.35 | Choumou | So i need to launch a script at debian startup |
| 15:16.39 | FuzzyByte | We reached that conclusion minutes ago, Choumou. Please be more direct next time. |
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| 15:17.08 | greycat | It's basically what fail2ban does. You'd be reimplementing your own fail2ban program. |
| 15:17.12 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: No, you will probably need to write a script of some sort to parse the logs. |
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| 15:17.50 | FuzzyByte | greycat: fail2ban does that for ssh, ftp, ad a bunch of other stuffs |
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| 15:17.56 | FuzzyByte | too, which is nice |
| 15:18.31 | Choumou | Yeah but for detecting in real time, i need to launch a script at debian startupt ( which will parse the logs yes ), how can i do that ? |
| 15:19.24 | joepublic | step one is to have such a script prepared. |
| 15:19.42 | joepublic | step two, make a systemd service file or init.d script for it |
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| 15:20.29 | joepublic | step three, 'relax on the beach' or 'profit' just as you like I suppose |
| 15:20.38 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: Do you know how to do basic text processing with sed, awk, shell scripting etc? |
| 15:20.54 | joepublic | heh i covered all that in step 1 :) |
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| 15:22.17 | FuzzyByte | joepublic: if he doesn't know how, google and stackoverflow are his best bets |
| 15:23.11 | joepublic | helpful book: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/8e/d5/1f8ed5374c558cafc22dccac9a7a438f.jpg |
| 15:25.09 | FuzzyByte | joepublic: Pasting from stackoverflow without understanding the stuff you paste is bad, using stackoverflow to teach yourself those stuffs is a good approach and will teach you more about practical application than manpages. |
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| 15:31.43 | Choumou | FuzzyByte : I don't really know, but i'll learn it's not a problem |
| 15:33.19 | FuzzyByte | As I said, google and stackoverflow are your best friend when it comes to text processing with sh tools, such as awk, sed, grep and stuff. |
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| 15:36.45 | greycat | No. No, they are nnot. |
| 15:36.45 | greycat | *shudder* |
| 15:37.26 | Choumou | And is it possible to get the password that failed for authentification in logs ? |
| 15:37.27 | dostoyevsky | I just realize that because I want to use nvidia drivers I probably shouldn't use debian on this new system... as nvidia supports other distributions better.. |
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| 15:37.42 | greycat | Choumou: gods no |
| 15:38.01 | Choumou | Really ? |
| 15:38.06 | nkuttler | Choumou: that woule be insecure by design |
| 15:38.11 | greycat | can you even IMAGINE how FUCKING LOUD the outcry would be if Debian did that?! |
| 15:38.47 | nkuttler | might even be illegal in some places |
| 15:39.07 | FuzzyByte | I don't believe he just asked this. |
| 15:39.16 | cybercrypto | I missed that.... if Debian did what? :-) |
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| 15:39.39 | FuzzyByte | cybercrypto: tell the password of failed logins |
| 15:39.52 | FuzzyByte | Wait that was some crappy grammar |
| 15:41.04 | FuzzyByte | greycat: What leads you to believe tha those are invaluable for his needs? |
| 15:42.42 | greycat | Googling shell questions tends to lead you to the same crappy cargo-culted scripts and answers that we've been fighting against for 30 years. All just echo-chambering the same wrong answers around and around forever. |
| 15:43.21 | cybercrypto | FuzzyByte: what? If i fail to login, the system would tell me the password? I dont get it.... :( |
| 15:43.38 | greycat | StackOverflow answers are a mixed bag, sometimes OK, sometimes very bad. It takes actual knowledge to determine which is which. |
| 15:43.51 | greycat | cybercrypto: NO. It does not. |
| 15:44.20 | greycat | At least, nothing in a standard Debian install logs passwords like that. |
| 15:45.07 | FuzzyByte | greycat: That is true if users just cpoy-paste everything. That was not my recommendation to begin with, though Stack Overflow has proven useful for practical usage of existing knowledge. |
| 15:45.43 | FuzzyByte | greycat: It'd be a huge security hole if it was implemented. |
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| 15:53.09 | cybercrypto | torwards what purpose (more than one?) this 'functionality' would be benefitial? Just for me to better understand, how this topic arised? |
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| 15:56.23 | wild_buffalo | Chomou wants to implement a script to log the password in failed login attempts |
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| 15:57.03 | Choumou | Yes |
| 15:57.04 | FuzzyByte | He can absolutely definitely forget the password |
| 15:57.12 | wild_buffalo | Perhaps someone experienced could explain to them why it can't be done and why that would be a massive security hole? |
| 15:58.32 | wild_buffalo | Passwords are hashed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_function), so the system doesn't see the password, it only sees the hash. It doesn't know what the user attempted to use to connect |
| 15:58.33 | nkuttler | wild_buffalo: because it leaks passwords.. |
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| 16:01.12 | wild_buffalo | nkuttler: right, I know what I'll say will sound super silly but considering my day job as a security analyst and the kind of non-technical people I meet, sometimes people don't know why it is bad that it leaks passwords |
| 16:01.16 | FuzzyByte | There are multiple reasons: 1) Is that the system doesn't really know the password, it uses a one-way function to calculate a checksum from the password, and if it equals the checksum stored, it lets you in, and 2) You might mistype the password, and if an attacker gets the password with 1 cahnged character, he's basically inside your system. |
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| 16:02.07 | wild_buffalo | So sometimes it's useful to explain fairly basic concepts to people, that we assume are obvious because we're well versed on the subject |
| 16:02.32 | cybercrypto | wild_buffalo: Agree |
| 16:02.34 | FuzzyByte | And now I wasted my time writin something and notice that it has already been explained. |
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| 16:02.43 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: True. |
| 16:03.08 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: since the system can't see the password, in order to accomplish what you're trying to do, you would have to do one of two things: |
| 16:03.40 | FuzzyByte | Insecure implementatio or storing entered passwords, and neither of those are good. |
| 16:04.17 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: ^^^ what they said |
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| 16:05.24 | Choumou | Yeah I saw |
| 16:05.31 | Choumou | I'm sad now |
| 16:05.51 | wild_buffalo | and it would involve quite a bit of effort, since all secure software is build around that basic concept, you'd have to build wrappers around SSH etc. Not an easy task |
| 16:05.52 | FuzzyByte | You can still make your idea come true, just without passwords. |
| 16:06.12 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: What's the problem you're trying to solve? Perhaps there's an alternative solution to it? |
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| 16:06.35 | Choumou | Non there is no problem, it was a personnal project |
| 16:07.04 | wild_buffalo | Right what I meant by problem is what is your goal |
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| 16:07.20 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: What weree you trying to do in the first place? What would that script hacve done? |
| 16:07.21 | Choumou | To know when someone is trying to access to my session |
| 16:07.26 | giantmidget | Hey lads |
| 16:07.51 | FuzzyByte | giantmidget: Hello there |
| 16:07.53 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: OK for that specific thing you can just look at login logs and tell the system to email when someone attempts to connect |
| 16:08.04 | wild_buffalo | You just won't know what password they used |
| 16:08.07 | greycat | Choumou: your COMPUTER. They are trying to log in to your COMPUTER. |
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| 16:08.21 | cybercrypto | Choumou: you want to know if other attempts to use your account has been triggered? |
| 16:08.22 | Choumou | wild_buffalo : yeah i will do that |
| 16:08.26 | wild_buffalo | greycat: They could've meant SSH? |
| 16:08.45 | Choumou | No cybercrypto, i just want to know when someone is trying to log |
| 16:08.48 | greycat | wild_buffalo: I just cannot sit here and listen to him continue to use the word "session" as if it were the word "computer". |
| 16:09.18 | wild_buffalo | greycat: ah I see what you mean |
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| 16:09.45 | cybercrypto | Choumou: you can log every attempt of login. Is that not enougth? |
| 16:09.54 | giantmidget | Got this issue with my system : every so often I launch a program which will shit itself and freeze the desktop, but I can move the mouse. Nothing will work except the elephant keystrokes. Any ideas? |
| 16:09.55 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: A technically versed person would just boot from another system and edit /etc/passwd |
| 16:10.00 | n-iCe | Lol I removed de to install and it installed gnome again FuzzyByte |
| 16:10.13 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: Why doe |
| 16:10.24 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: not if the disk is encrypted |
| 16:10.31 | Choumou | FuzzyByte : he can't boot from another system |
| 16:10.32 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: FDE sucks |
| 16:10.47 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: You've taken precautions? |
| 16:11.00 | Choumou | I juste put a password on boot |
| 16:11.19 | Choumou | But yes a technically person could bypass it for sure |
| 16:11.19 | FuzzyByte | An attacker would just pull the CMOS battery |
| 16:11.28 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: you mean you encrypted the disk with a password or you added a password to the BIOS? |
| 16:11.28 | Choumou | What's the CMOS battery ? |
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| 16:11.52 | Choumou | no wild_buffalo, i added a password on boot, when my computer boots, it requires a password |
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| 16:12.10 | FuzzyByte | The battery that keeps your bios settings alive, if it dies, you'll get errors on startup |
| 16:12.12 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: k well in that case all it takes is to remove the disk and put it on another computer |
| 16:12.45 | Choumou | Yes but it's long to do |
| 16:13.00 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: true |
| 16:13.14 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: There are no good 100% solutions. Just put your personal data in a VC container and back it up. |
| 16:13.15 | Choumou | What do you suggest for encrypt and protect my hard drive ? |
| 16:13.30 | FuzzyByte | Your system can be recovered, your personal data probably not. |
| 16:13.34 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: for physical access, that's true |
| 16:14.17 | wild_buffalo | Choumou: just use Debian's LVM Encryption, you can set it up while installing the system |
| 16:14.24 | FuzzyByte | Choumou: Try LUKS for FDE, then again, FDE sucks because it's either slow as hell or insecure |
| 16:14.44 | Choumou | Ok i will check thanks |
| 16:15.16 | cybercrypto | Choumou: default debian install, allows you to use full disk cryptography. LVM over LUKS is the default i guess. |
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| 16:15.34 | Choumou | Hmm |
| 16:15.41 | giantmidget | plz lads |
| 16:15.42 | Choumou | I didn't see it when i installed debian |
| 16:16.30 | giantmidget | Choumou it's definitely there, please do the needful and reinstall |
| 16:16.50 | FuzzyByte | giantmidget: If he wants security |
| 16:17.10 | FuzzyByte | LUKS is definitely comfortable. |
| 16:17.33 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: CTRL + ALT + F1-9 then kill the program from a different Console? |
| 16:17.36 | cybercrypto | Choumou: wiki.debian.org/Cryptsetup (try start reading here) |
| 16:17.38 | wild_buffalo | REISUB? |
| 16:18.24 | wild_buffalo | CTRL + ALT + Backspace kill X? |
| 16:18.30 | giantmidget | wild_buffalo Yes of course, that's the first thing I tried, but that doesn't do anything. That's what I find odd - the mouse moves but all windows are frozen and no key combinations work |
| 16:18.42 | giantmidget | tried that one too |
| 16:18.44 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: try sys-rq hotkeys |
| 16:18.45 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: yeah that happens to me sometimes, it's weird |
| 16:18.59 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: It also seems to happen on win7 to me |
| 16:19.08 | FuzzyByte | seemed* |
| 16:19.11 | n-iCe | FuzzyByte I'm installing again |
| 16:19.23 | n-iCe | It took years to install and no idea why installed gnome |
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| 16:19.33 | FuzzyByte | n-iCe: try lxde |
| 16:19.35 | giantmidget | n-iCe See yah, glhf |
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| 16:19.45 | wild_buffalo | pro tip use Debian stable :P |
| 16:19.49 | n-iCe | Is not lxde dead |
| 16:19.56 | FuzzyByte | / lxqt |
| 16:19.58 | n-iCe | I want a window manager |
| 16:20.07 | FuzzyByte | i2 |
| 16:20.10 | FuzzyByte | i3* |
| 16:20.12 | giantmidget | Mate if you're a boomer |
| 16:20.23 | n-iCe | What? |
| 16:20.27 | wild_buffalo | Gnome if you just want to get work done and not fidget with settings |
| 16:20.41 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: he says it does not perform well |
| 16:20.46 | n-iCe | I'm on an old laptop gnome does.not run |
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| 16:20.54 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: whoops my bad didn't read the whole business |
| 16:20.55 | FuzzyByte | giantmidget: Mate is sexy |
| 16:21.06 | FuzzyByte | For real, it looks nice. |
| 16:21.22 | n-iCe | Mate uses lower resources than xfce? |
| 16:21.40 | giantmidget | FuzzyByte using it right now for my main work machine - it's simple but comfy |
| 16:21.40 | giantmidget | n-iCe I believe so |
| 16:21.46 | wild_buffalo | Don't they have LXQt for Debian? |
| 16:21.55 | wild_buffalo | Isn't that the sequel to LXDE? |
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| 16:22.03 | n-iCe | I'm thinking I'm buld my thing up |
| 16:22.09 | n-iCe | Using a window manager |
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| 16:22.29 | wild_buffalo | yo lad just use the linux console |
| 16:22.34 | FuzzyByte | I'm still using lxde |
| 16:22.34 | wild_buffalo | ez |
| 16:22.38 | FuzzyByte | I love it |
| 16:23.19 | wild_buffalo | All one needs is Emacs and https://www.brow.sh/ |
| 16:23.35 | wild_buffalo | ssh brow.sh |
| 16:23.39 | giantmidget | *ahem* vi |
| 16:23.51 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: vi is not an OS tho |
| 16:23.53 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: Use Links2, browsh is nice, but isn't worth it for me |
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| 16:24.04 | cybercrypto | I using i3 for now... very low resources and no need to 'mouse around' |
| 16:24.07 | wild_buffalo | I'm just being funny I just use Gnome |
| 16:24.16 | wild_buffalo | :P |
| 16:25.08 | giantmidget | :P |
| 16:25.12 | FuzzyByte | giantmidget: micro is the king of terminal editors. it has all the conveniences of graphical editors, yet it is terminal based and can be keybound to whatever yu like |
| 16:25.29 | FuzzyByte | Even more than nano |
| 16:25.44 | FuzzyByte | which alread is v e r y user-ffriendly |
| 16:26.03 | FuzzyByte | For fuck's sake, what's wrong with my typing today |
| 16:26.40 | n-iCe | (cybercrypto) I using i3 for now... very low resources and no need to 'mouse around' - I like the mouse thing haha |
| 16:26.41 | giantmidget | Ah yes nano - the "college freshman enrolled in intro to C"'s choice |
| 16:27.07 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: at my uni they teach Vim for the C class like why |
| 16:27.21 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: good for you :) |
| 16:27.22 | FuzzyByte | Boh are good for people who came from graphical stuff |
| 16:27.40 | wild_buffalo | Don't get me wrong Vim is a fantastic editor but C is hard enough without having to teach people to type again |
| 16:27.52 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: vim is the best editor out there. you should absolutely learn all of it's functions+ |
| 16:28.06 | giantmidget | ^^^^^^ |
| 16:29.10 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: I've used Vim for like 5 years as my main editor, and I would like to graciously counter with this: https://youtu.be/JWD1Fpdd4Pc |
| 16:29.39 | wild_buffalo | TL;DR you can get Vim's full functionality in Emacs |
| 16:29.49 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: also, it's like the standard *nix editor. Some variant of it is installed on every unixoid system. |
| 16:30.05 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: Ed is the standard editr ;) |
| 16:30.05 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: Yes, but what does this get me |
| 16:30.18 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: idk stuff like Magit? |
| 16:30.24 | wild_buffalo | Better plugin language? |
| 16:31.07 | FuzzyByte | wild_buffalo: I don't know a single unoxoid system with a erminal that doesn't have vim |
| 16:31.15 | FuzzyByte | / vi |
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| 16:31.40 | wild_buffalo | anyway, that's not the point I was trying to make, I definitely think everyone should learn Vim/Unix if for the very least be able to be dropped in a random machine and be able to use it |
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| 16:32.26 | wild_buffalo | FuzzyByte: but unless you're a sysadmin, how many times a week do you drop into a random system so that the fact you know Vi becomes relevant? |
| 16:32.52 | giantmidget | >he isn't a sysadmin |
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| 16:33.11 | wild_buffalo | With Emacs pretty much never because it's got TRAMP, aka it transparently open remotes files in my local session |
| 16:34.36 | wild_buffalo | I can pass ssh:someserver.example:filename to emacs and it'll open in my local machine, and let me use my local editor without opening a shell and vim on the remote |
| 16:35.48 | wild_buffalo | and it works transparently, to the editor that is just a filepath, so just about every functionality/plugin it just works |
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| 16:37.00 | wild_buffalo | but yes agreed everyone (software engineers) should learn vi and the basic unix toolbox |
| 16:38.10 | fuxxy | Not debian-specific per se, I'm trying to troubleshoot a python script. I don't know python. Is there a way I can test-run some search paramaters on a source file to see if my half-assed edits work? |
| 16:38.32 | n-iCe | FuzzyByte almost done |
| 16:39.18 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: maybe try #python? other than that you can maybe try a python debugger like pdb (built in), pudb or ipdb |
| 16:39.24 | cybercrypto | fuxxy: you mean like -e when using bash? |
| 16:39.49 | giantmidget | Any suggestion for my issue lads? |
| 16:39.55 | cybercrypto | fuxxy: sorry, -x I meant |
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| 16:40.54 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: is there a specific program that it happens with or this happens just in general? |
| 16:41.09 | fuxxy | cybercrypto, wild_buffalo, sort of. I get the gist of what this script is trying to do, I just want to test run specific snippets to ensure the script is getting the same results as before (structure of source file has changed) |
| 16:41.38 | wild_buffalo | oh ok |
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| 16:41.55 | wild_buffalo | well type python (or python3) on your terminall |
| 16:42.03 | wild_buffalo | that will give you an interactive shell |
| 16:42.17 | wild_buffalo | copy your code in there and press enter to run (if it's just a few lines) |
| 16:42.20 | giantmidget | wild_buffalo just happends |
| 16:42.33 | wild_buffalo | it'll print the result |
| 16:42.45 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: That way you can try stuff and see what happens |
| 16:43.15 | wild_buffalo | you can also install the ipython shell which is a lot more full featured |
| 16:43.31 | fuxxy | the entire .py is 256 lines, but again, I don't know python. So I don't know if there are dependancies that will fail if not run from within kodi (its a kodi addon) |
| 16:43.42 | wild_buffalo | ok in that case |
| 16:43.58 | giantmidget | My question is mainly is there a way to get out of it when it happens without rebooting? Rebooting is for windows fags and I don't like doing it |
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| 16:44.39 | cybercrypto | giantmidget: do you still have access to a different tty console? |
| 16:45.06 | giantmidget | cybercrypto no that key-combo does not work in that state |
| 16:45.22 | giantmidget | I could try and ssh into my box I suppose |
| 16:45.22 | wild_buffalo | giantmidget: Is the homophobic slur really necessary? |
| 16:45.46 | cybercrypto | giantmidget: have you tried CONTROL + ALT + FUNCTION3 ? |
| 16:45.51 | giantmidget | wild_buffalo absolutely sir |
| 16:46.16 | n-iCe | Finished I'm in debian with no desktop. |
| 16:46.17 | giantmidget | cybercrypto yes |
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| 16:46.31 | fuxxy | right off the bat, 'import codequick' - "no module named codequick" |
| 16:46.43 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: ok well |
| 16:47.00 | wild_buffalo | that's gonna be a bit more complicated that I can help just through here |
| 16:47.22 | n-iCe | What's the tool to connect to WiFi using terminal? |
| 16:47.22 | kline | giantmidget, homophobic slurs arent acceptable on freenode |
| 16:47.35 | wild_buffalo | You have to ensure all the modules are in a place that python can find them when you run it |
| 16:47.38 | kline | n-iCe, nmcli |
| 16:47.46 | n-iCe | Says not found |
| 16:47.51 | cybercrypto | giantmidget: is your keyboard responding to CAPS on and off? |
| 16:47.55 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: all the imports are generally at the top |
| 16:48.00 | n-iCe | Thought I misspelled it, but no, is not installed |
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| 16:48.25 | n-iCe | So I'm screwed? |
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| 16:49.01 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: here's a suggestion |
| 16:49.08 | kline | n-iCe, you're stuck on a debian machine with wifi but no way to configure it? |
| 16:49.09 | fuxxy | so I just need the dep module (in this case, codequick) in the shell $path? |
| 16:49.10 | wild_buffalo | find all the import modules files |
| 16:49.31 | wild_buffalo | find / -name 'codequick.py' |
| 16:49.40 | wild_buffalo | then put these paths on a PYTHONPATH variable |
| 16:49.47 | n-iCe | kline I just installed debian with no DE because my laptop is old I want to set up wifi |
| 16:49.50 | wild_buffalo | (this is not proper python btw totally a hack) |
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| 16:50.07 | fuxxy | wild_buffalo, understood. On my system, $PYTHONPATH is blank |
| 16:50.12 | kline | n-iCe, here are some instructions for manually configuring it: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
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| 16:50.19 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: that's fine, it's supposed to be blank |
| 16:50.26 | wild_buffalo | it's kind of like an optional variable |
| 16:50.37 | wild_buffalo | also, you need to know if the script is python 2 or three |
| 16:50.41 | fuxxy | wild_buffalo, that's what I gathered |
| 16:50.45 | kline | n-iCe, if you dont have wpa_supplicant on the laptop, you can install it wherever you are now and copy over the required output by hand |
| 16:50.47 | wild_buffalo | anyway, put all of them in the python path |
| 16:50.58 | wild_buffalo | then open a python shell |
| 16:51.00 | fuxxy | I'm not sure where I found it, but I'm 100% positive it's python2.7 |
| 16:51.30 | wild_buffalo | k great so python -> opens a python 2 shell and python3 -> we |
| 16:51.36 | wild_buffalo | well you know how it goes |
| 16:51.47 | kline | n-iCe, also, double check whats available on the install media you used to put debian on, you may find there are packages on it that can be used for configuring wifi |
| 16:51.48 | greycat | "python" invokes a python 2.x interpreter, yes, by specification |
| 16:52.11 | wild_buffalo | anyway Python has two types of modules, just a file or a package |
| 16:52.26 | wild_buffalo | A package is a dir with the file __init__.py inside, as well as its other files |
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| 16:53.09 | wild_buffalo | so if e.g. "codequick" is a package, you add the directory containing it to the path |
| 16:53.39 | greycat | if it's a *Debian* package, any utilities you're intended to execute directly should be in one of the standard PATH directories already |
| 16:53.46 | fuxxy | wild_buffalo, making sense so far. codequick is a different kodi addon - I'm sure it's another python script |
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| 16:53.56 | wild_buffalo | once you compiled a PYTHONPATH with all the dependencies (imports), then you can open a python shell |
| 16:54.11 | fuxxy | wild_buffalo, okay, let me get that going. I'll be back |
| 16:54.21 | wild_buffalo | and import the script you want to play around with |
| 16:54.36 | wild_buffalo | then you can call its functions and what not |
| 16:55.03 | n-iCe | Solved it |
| 16:55.05 | n-iCe | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 16:55.07 | n-iCe | Using that |
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| 16:55.39 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: python is a baby easy language to learn, here's an outline of most of its syntax: https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/pythonlegacy/ |
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| 17:01.02 | n-iCe | Sorry, does openbox needs x? |
| 17:01.36 | greycat | ,depends openbox |
| 17:01.37 | judd | Package openbox in buster/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libobrender32v5 (>= 3.6.0), libobt2v5 (>= 3.6.0), libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.7), libx11-6, libxau6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4), libxinerama1, libxrandr2. |
| 17:01.44 | greycat | "yes" |
| 17:01.47 | n-iCe | Xorg I mean |
| 17:02.10 | greycat | it's clearly an X11 client application, so it needs an X server, not necessarily on the same host, not necessarily Xorg |
| 17:02.14 | n-iCe | Ok |
| 17:02.20 | n-iCe | Thanks |
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| 17:04.19 | n-iCe | Brb in debian system |
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| 17:05.02 | n-iCe | Damn, this is fast lol |
| 17:05.33 | n-iCe | sorry guys any browser for slow systems? using less system resources possible, please |
| 17:06.27 | cybercrypto | n-iCe: I use linx :-) but I guess you looking for a graphicall one, rigth? |
| 17:06.40 | n-iCe | yes! |
| 17:06.41 | fuxxy | So, codequick doesnt exist as 'codequick.py'. It is, however, the folder name of the package |
| 17:06.48 | n-iCe | Im not that tech yet lol |
| 17:07.00 | derpadmin | modern browsers are resource hungry... |
| 17:07.08 | fuxxy | n-iCe, lynx |
| 17:07.16 | derpadmin | I recall using swiftfox and xfce before... |
| 17:07.19 | n-iCe | but I want to use it for facebook, etc hehe |
| 17:07.26 | derpadmin | wonder if swiftfox still exist |
| 17:07.31 | n-iCe | so I need a gui one, but lightweight |
| 17:08.46 | n-iCe | found in google qupzilla, what do you guys think_ |
| 17:09.15 | cybercrypto | never used it. I have chromium and firefox. |
| 17:09.27 | fuxxy | ls |
| 17:09.30 | n-iCe | ok, thanks |
| 17:10.02 | n-iCe | One more thing, the correct way to install a package is apt install packaname right? but thats the correct way to remove it and remove all installed with it, apt remove does not remove all does it? |
| 17:10.46 | greycat | the problem with the "lightweight graphical web browsers" is that corporate entities rarely write sites that can be navigated by anything less than the full blown "most recent" firefox/chrome/MSIE |
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| 17:11.10 | n-iCe | I see, so chromium would be a good idea_ |
| 17:11.14 | n-iCe | ? |
| 17:11.15 | derpadmin | greycat : correct |
| 17:11.17 | greycat | if you want to browse a site that has linux information, your lightweight browser may be great, but if you want to do *banking*, it won't |
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| 17:11.40 | derpadmin | I tried surf before |
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| 17:13.22 | n-iCe | derpadmin: netsurf? |
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| 17:15.10 | derpadmin | n-iCe : correct |
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| 17:15.29 | n-iCe | thank you |
| 17:15.31 | derpadmin | but as greycat mentionned, it works for wikipedia... |
| 17:15.54 | n-iCe | I think openbox comes with one already, just checked falkon |
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| 17:18.57 | n-iCe | oops, sorry, dont know how to use this terminal yet |
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| 17:20.01 | fuxxy | wild_buffalo, so if I'm trying to import 'codequick' - a single folder named 'codequick' exists on the system, but it doesent contain any files named 'codequick.py'. all attempts end with 'no module named codequick' |
| 17:20.25 | greycat | if it's a Debian package, it should have instructions in /usr/share/doc/codequick/ |
| 17:20.31 | greycat | if it's not, then ask a Python channel how to do this |
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| 17:22.24 | n-iCe | now a lightweight file manager? |
| 17:22.40 | derpadmin | midnight commander |
| 17:22.48 | greycat | ls |
| 17:23.05 | n-iCe | gui_ |
| 17:23.06 | n-iCe | ? |
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| 17:23.28 | cybercrypto | mc is a great file manager. |
| 17:23.36 | n-iCe | but has gui_ |
| 17:23.37 | n-iCe | ?? |
| 17:23.59 | sney | ,info pcmanfm |
| 17:24.00 | judd | Package pcmanfm (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: extremely fast and lightweight file manager. Version: 1.3.1-1; Size: 283.7k; Installed: 1589k; Homepage: http://pcmanfm.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/pcmanfm |
| 17:24.24 | n-iCe | pcmnfm installing, thanks |
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| 17:29.29 | n-iCe | ok, my keyboard is wrong |
| 17:29.34 | n-iCe | how ca I configurate it lol |
| 17:29.50 | n-iCe | its weird since I configure it in the installation |
| 17:29.57 | greycat | !keymap |
| 17:29.57 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 17:30.08 | n-iCe | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 17:30.15 | n-iCe | does not work |
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| 17:30.45 | n-iCe | arcadas con [*] producen una salida extensa, |
| 17:30.51 | n-iCe | I hate this terminal |
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| 17:31.07 | n-iCe | localectl shows everything correct, but keyboard is wrong in this terminal |
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| 17:32.10 | greycat | so... I am guessing... you *didn't* restart X after running dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration? I don't know whether you need to or not, but I would guess you do. |
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| 17:32.14 | n-iCe | arcadas con [*] producen una salida extensa, |
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| 17:32.32 | n-iCe | ¡fÃltrela con arcadas con [*] producen una salida extensa, |
| 17:32.33 | greycat | why not use a terminal you *don't* hate? |
| 17:32.53 | n-iCe | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration command not found |
| 17:33.02 | greycat | !buster su |
| 17:33.02 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 17:33.13 | n-iCe | Im in root |
| 17:35.18 | antto | trek00 so it's file-roller, but to make it work it's a setting in pcmanfm's preferences (archiver integration) |
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| 17:37.35 | trek00 | antto: probably, but i don't use the archivers so i don't know :) |
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| 17:42.58 | n-iCe | Done, working, one more thing, what should I read in order to enable my touchpad click setting in my laptop? |
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| 18:12.50 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: no |
| 18:13.35 | wild_buffalo | fuxxy: you either have codequick.py OR codequick/__init__.py |
| 18:13.48 | wild_buffalo | The first one is a module the other one is a package |
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| 18:14.33 | wild_buffalo | but in both these cases you would import it the same way: import codequick |
| 18:14.41 | wild_buffalo | But you have to have either one or the other |
| 18:15.06 | wild_buffalo | I would suggest you take this to the Python channel, they'll probably be able to help you better |
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| 18:31.10 | Akuw | why phpmyadmin was removed from debian 10 ? |
| 18:31.14 | Akuw | repository |
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| 18:35.00 | nkuttler | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 18:35.01 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u9; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; bullseye: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2; sid: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2 |
| 18:35.21 | DLange | https://tracker.debian.org/news/1021625/phpmyadmin-removed-from-testing/ |
| 18:35.25 | Wulf | Akuw: maybe severse security issues? |
| 18:35.37 | Akuw | ok |
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| 18:36.01 | greycat | !phpmyadmin |
| 18:36.01 | dpkg | phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle MySQL administration over the Internet. Can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. Read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian and run "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" to configure your web server. http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/#faq #phpmyadmin on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:36.06 | nkuttler | Akuw: there's also a qa page for every package https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/phpmyadmin.html |
| 18:36.24 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.26 | greycat | huh... isn't that the one with the... |
| 18:36.30 | Akuw | thanks |
| 18:37.14 | greycat | Am I thinking of the wrong factoid, or did someone neuter this one? |
| 18:37.35 | ratrace | why, what were you excpecting? |
| 18:37.42 | nkuttler | !factinfo phpmyadmin |
| 18:37.42 | dpkg | phpmyadmin -- created by KerPlunk <n=user_nam@wlogin.farmingdale.edu> at Wed Mar 29 20:08:42 2006 (5128 days); last modified at Wed Jan 13 14:40:09 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 115 times, last by greycat, 45s ago. |
| 18:38.00 | greycat | "I'd rather shove knives into a live socket than run phpmyadmin on an exposed server" or simialr. |
| 18:38.40 | derpadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.54 | greycat | !webmin |
| 18:38.54 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:39.00 | greycat | Sorry, my mistake. |
| 18:40.33 | ws2k3 | so i attemted to configure cgroups in debian 9. here are all my configs and tests https://pastebin.com/jCA04GB0 it does not look like my configured limit are working. what could i be doing wrong here? |
| 18:40.42 | joepublic | I shoved a hatpin into a live socket once in an attempt to repair a night-light. I was 2. |
| 18:41.05 | joepublic | the experiment was successful, albeit very briefly. |
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| 18:50.05 | Lope | running debian 10. apt says: mongodb-org-server : Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2) but it is not installable |
| 18:50.15 | Lope | any idea how I can resolve this? |
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| 18:50.31 | nkuttler | ,v libcurl3 |
| 18:50.32 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-proposed-updates: 7.52.1-5+deb9u10; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u10 |
| 18:50.50 | nkuttler | ,v mongodb-org-server |
| 18:50.51 | judd | No package named 'mongodb-org-server' was found in amd64. |
| 18:50.57 | nkuttler | Lope: use debian packages |
| 18:51.35 | Lope | nkuttler, oh, I remember what's wrong. |
| 18:51.51 | ratrace | mongo's been kicked out from buster due to license |
| 18:51.51 | Lope | Mongo 4.0 doesn't work on buster, my container with mongo 4.0 is actually stretch. |
| 18:52.04 | Lope | yeah, I know. |
| 18:52.09 | nkuttler | orly? licensing.. |
| 18:52.19 | Lope | okay, will see if meteor will work on new mongo now :/ |
| 18:52.19 | ratrace | !bug #916107 |
| 18:52.20 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (closed): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2020-03-23. |
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| 18:54.38 | n-iCe | Ok, I have sound. |
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| 19:10.04 | mefistofeles | hey, any ideas why is screen not showing the different tabs/sessions in a bar? |
| 19:13.33 | mefistofeles | nv, solved it |
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| 19:22.43 | mutantturkey | is there a way to see why packages are 'not upgraded' |
| 19:22.51 | mutantturkey | in my situation... 1500 packages re 'not upgraded' |
| 19:23.19 | joepublic | dpkg, bat |
| 19:23.19 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:38.04 | ws2k3 | does cgrulesengd not apply cgroups to exsising proceses? |
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| 19:44.22 | greycat | Never heard of it. Went to https://manpages.debian.org/buster/cgroup-tools/cgrulesengd.8.en.html to read what it does. The description is ... grammatically poor, but seems fairly clear if you ignore the errors. |
| 19:45.46 | ws2k3 | greycat im trying to implement cgroups on my system |
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| 19:46.18 | greycat | What are you actually trying to DO? |
| 19:46.19 | ws2k3 | greycat any idea why i cannot kill of a proces that seems to be waiting of IO duo to the cgroup limit |
| 19:46.32 | ws2k3 | greycat limint the amount of disk io and cpu a proces can use |
| 19:46.50 | ws2k3 | cause reguarly some processes take all the available resources |
| 19:47.08 | ws2k3 | which results in other processes hanging or getting stuck |
| 19:47.10 | greycat | Unix resource limits will cause the kernel to kill a process when it exceeds a limit. I don't know how cgroups would differ from that. |
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| 19:48.11 | greycat | Also I don't think "disk I/O" is one of the things you can set a Unix resource limit on. |
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| 19:51.14 | greycat | googles "unix resource limit disk I/O" and one of the results is https://andrestc.com/post/cgroups-io/ so maybe cgroups can do it even while traditional unix resource limits cannot. |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | So, at a guess? What you would do is write a systemd unit to drive your service, and use a regular unix resource limit for CPU time, and use one of these "cgroup" thingies to do the disk I/O limit. |
| 19:52.37 | greycat | For the former, see systemd.exec(5) and look for LimitCPU= |
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| 19:53.17 | ws2k3 | greycat well the disk limiting is working |
| 19:53.20 | ws2k3 | but the cpu limit is not |
| 19:54.04 | greycat | Astonishing. You got the hard/impossible thing to work but not the easy thing. Oh well, I told you where to set the configs for the easy thing. |
| 19:54.04 | ws2k3 | at least i think its not |
| 19:54.29 | ws2k3 | greycat any idea how i could verify if the cpu limit is working? |
| 19:54.33 | greycat | (if you're not using a systemd unit to drive the service, then you use "ulimit" to set resource limits in the shell script that kicks it off) |
| 19:54.36 | ws2k3 | the proces is still using 100 % cpu in top |
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| 19:54.51 | greycat | Every process uses 100% CPU except when it's asleep and uses 0% CPU. |
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| 19:54.57 | greycat | That's how CPUs work. |
| 19:55.05 | ws2k3 | greycat then how can i know if the cpu limit works |
| 19:55.11 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:55.24 | ws2k3 | i set it to cpu.shares =500 |
| 19:55.46 | greycat | A resource limit is a guy with a sniper rifle that shoots the prisoners as they climb over the wall. |
| 19:55.57 | greycat | The resource limit KILLS THE PROCESS if it violates the limit. |
| 19:56.11 | ws2k3 | greycat apparently not in cgroups |
| 19:56.14 | FuzzyByte | greycat: That's a ...uuhh.. weird explanation. |
| 19:56.21 | FuzzyByte | But fitting. |
| 19:56.52 | FuzzyByte | greycat: That's acually useful though |
| 19:56.52 | greycat | you test it, obviously, by waiting for it to go over the total CPU seconds limit, and see if it dies |
| 19:57.15 | ws2k3 | greycat cgroups does not kill off a proces. its limit the amount of cpu time it can use |
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| 20:40.44 | russell-- | what's the standard way of rebuilding a module for debian's kernel, with a different .config option (namely: CONFIG_ATH9K_HTC_DEBUGFS=y), and ideally, package it so it can be managed with standard debian package management? |
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| 20:45.00 | hundfred | clear |
| 20:46.17 | nkuttler | !tell russell-- about dkms |
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| 20:47.51 | mzajc | My system starts swapping programs out when I hit the 10 GB physical memory mark, even though I have 16 GB installed. What could be causing this? |
| 20:48.52 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: swap isn't only used when you are out of ram |
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| 20:49.52 | russell-- | nkuttler: this isn't technically an out-of-tree module, though, just not-normal config option, is dkms still appropriate? |
| 20:49.59 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: to make that happen less though you can make your swapiness value lower. Google it |
| 20:50.14 | mzajc | sponix2ipfw: my swappiness is set to 1 |
| 20:50.34 | mzajc | I've tried 10, 60, and 1 so far. all have the same effect |
| 20:51.19 | mzajc | and I don't have an issue with swap being used, as long as there aren't 6 gigabytes of physical just sitting there and doing nothing |
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| 20:56.02 | sponix2ipfw | Mine is set to vm.swapiness=10 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:56.30 | sponix2ipfw | And I normally only have a few megs of swap used |
| 20:57.12 | mzajc | that's what I would expect |
| 20:57.23 | mzajc | and that's what's currently not the case |
| 20:57.44 | sponix2ipfw | Not sure why yours is being ignored |
| 20:58.17 | mzajc | that's the reason I'm asking here |
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| 21:00.29 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: how much actual ram, and how much swap? |
| 21:01.14 | mzajc | 16 GB physical, 4 GB swap (on a HDD) |
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| 21:01.26 | Transsiberian | hi, has anyone experienced problems with Google Chrome not starting (google-chrome-stable 81.0.4044.92-1 amd64) on Debian unstable. When trying to launch Chrome, it shows this error and apparently hangs: |
| 21:01.28 | Transsiberian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.29 | Transsiberian | [6398:6398:0413/225122.690299:ERROR:edid_parser.cc(102)] Too short EDID data: manufacturer id |
| 21:02.34 | sponix2ipfw | Transsiberian: try it with the flag to disable hardware acceleration |
| 21:02.45 | mzajc | Transsiberian: you should probably install chromium instead, I don't know how well google chrome is maintainedm, since it's not even in the main repository |
| 21:03.43 | bolovanos | hithere |
| 21:04.22 | sponix2ipfw | Transsiberian: try #debian-next also for unstable related questions |
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| 21:05.44 | Transsiberian | sponix2ipfw: thanks, I had already tried with --disable-gpu with the same results. I have been running chrome without issues since many years ago. I will try on #debian-next. Many thanks again! |
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| 21:07.10 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: when as root you run sysctl -p do you see your swapiness listed? |
| 21:07.43 | mzajc | yes, I have already confirmed that the swappines is set to the right value in all tests |
| 21:08.31 | cyveris | Transsiberian: You're running on unstable? |
| 21:08.38 | cyveris | Wait, that was already covered. |
| 21:08.40 | cyveris | Never mind. |
| 21:08.59 | bolovanos | debian 9, "dpkg: error processing package mariadb-server-10.1 (--configure):" found only |
| 21:09.22 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: if you are sure you will never exceed 16G you could turn swap off. But outside of that I'm out of ideas |
| 21:09.43 | mzajc | disabling swap entirely causes my system to freeze so hard I can't get to a tty in case it reaches more than ~10 GB of physical |
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| 21:10.31 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: do you have Integrated graphics stealing from your ram? |
| 21:11.01 | mzajc | sponix2ipfw: I do have an integrated GPU. how would I check that? |
| 21:11.16 | cyveris | There's a cap on how much RAM integrated graphics will take. |
| 21:11.21 | cyveris | And it'a a lot lower than 16GB. |
| 21:11.25 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: that is your deal then :) |
| 21:11.37 | cyveris | There's a lot of assumptions going into that. |
| 21:11.48 | mzajc | I see |
| 21:12.06 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: at times you can specify the amount in UEFI/bios |
| 21:12.16 | mzajc | I do have a dGPU with actual VRAM, is there any way to make it use that? |
| 21:12.53 | sponix2ipfw | mzajc: see if you have the option to disable the iGPU in uefi |
| 21:13.02 | mzajc | I'm on a laptop |
| 21:13.08 | mzajc | I don't think that's a good idea |
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| 21:13.26 | cyveris | mzajc: Which iGPU do you have? |
| 21:13.28 | mzajc | and it isn't even an option in the uefi so there's that |
| 21:13.44 | mzajc | uh |
| 21:13.50 | mzajc | how do I get that |
| 21:13.59 | cyveris | lspci, generally. |
| 21:14.25 | cyveris | Intel HD, intel Iris, etc. |
| 21:14.33 | mzajc | Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) |
| 21:14.46 | mzajc | the dGPU is listed as Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Topaz XT [Radeon R7 M260/M265 / M340/M360 / M440/M445 / 530/535 / 620/625 Mobile] (rev c1) |
| 21:15.28 | cyveris | mzajc: Can you give the entire line that included that? |
| 21:15.34 | cyveris | The first one you gave. |
| 21:16.28 | mzajc | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) |
| 21:16.38 | cyveris | Now: lspci -v -s 00:02.0 |
| 21:16.51 | cyveris | There will be one or more lines that start with "memory." Can you give me the size valuee? |
| 21:17.30 | sponix2ipfw | bolovanos: so you are having an issue with mariadb? |
| 21:18.21 | bolovanos | sponix2ipfw, seems to be - found some answers but mostly saying reinstall it, I would rather look more into the problem... |
| 21:19.17 | bolovanos | sponix2ipfw, https://pastebin.com/ajTTmJkh |
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| 21:19.57 | Lope2 | I'm trying to do that weird trick on debian buster where you install pinta from stretch |
| 21:20.16 | Lope2 | So I changed my repos from buster to stretch, did an apt update |
| 21:20.34 | Lope2 | then did an `apt install pinta` but it says pinta depends on a whole bunch of stuff that won't be installed. |
| 21:20.41 | Lope2 | can't remember how this hack works. |
| 21:21.30 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: you most likely want to do ssb from Sid sources |
| 21:21.39 | sponix2ipfw | ! Ssb |
| 21:21.39 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 21:22.14 | Lope2 | sponix2ipfw, thanks, IIRC, the hack doesn't involve compiling anything. |
| 21:22.51 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: Oh, you might be looking for another solution then lol |
| 21:23.21 | Lope2 | sponix2ipfw, okay I think I figured it out. |
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| 21:23.43 | Lope2 | instead of replacing buster with stretch, I've added stretch to buster. |
| 21:23.54 | Lope2 | then did an update, then install pinta. now it's installing. |
| 21:24.07 | Lope2 | and pinta is installed! |
| 21:24.19 | mzajc | cyveris: 16M and 256M |
| 21:24.38 | sponix2ipfw | bolovanos: apt install -f already? |
| 21:24.44 | jhutchins | !roundcube |
| 21:24.45 | dpkg | Roundcube is an <IMAP> client written in PHP. This software is not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release (bug #775666) but is available in <jessie-backports>. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: SQLite v2 support was dropped, see /usr/share/doc/roundcube-sqlite/NEWS.Debian.gz and http://wiki.debian.org/Roundcube/DeprecationOfSQLitev2 . http://www.roundcube.net/ #roundcube on irc.freenode.net. See also <imapproxy>. |
| 21:24.45 | cyveris | mzajc: Then your issue is not that your iGPU is consuming your memory. |
| 21:29.23 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: I was thinking of doing that for my rtorrent from Sid. But some recommended the ssb to me instead lol |
| 21:30.38 | Lope2 | sponix2ipfw, you can't do this hack to go forwards, only backwards. |
| 21:30.49 | Lope2 | afaik, I'm not an expert on it |
| 21:30.55 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: Oh.. Interesting |
| 21:31.09 | Lope2 | definitely don't do it. you'll probably brick your install. |
| 21:31.36 | Lope2 | if it's compiling from source that might be okay. but not just a straight up apt install. |
| 21:33.08 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: I am still learning. Just learned how to specify a certain version or branch of something recently. And how to hold packages. Etc |
| 21:33.42 | Lope2 | do I need to install task-print-server to be able to print stuff? |
| 21:33.58 | Lope2 | sponix2ipfw, cool. |
| 21:34.04 | sponix2ipfw | Lope2: seems likely |
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| 21:35.44 | mzajc | cyveris: checked my kernel logs, and I found this line |
| 21:35.46 | mzajc | kernel: [ 6.649924] [drm] amdgpu: 4096M of GTT memory ready |
| 21:36.05 | mzajc | could my dGPU be causing the issues? |
| 21:36.32 | cyveris | No. That's the onboard memory on your dGPU. |
| 21:36.45 | mzajc | isn't that VRAM? |
| 21:37.11 | cyveris | Yes. |
| 21:37.15 | mzajc | right |
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| 21:38.29 | mzajc | could the VRAM be shared with my physical memory? |
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| 21:40.16 | bolovanos | sponix2ipfw, same result... :/ |
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| 21:54.09 | jhutchins | roundcube on stretch, is there a way to turn off the "Attach File" frame when composing? The "Attach" button at the top should be sufficient. |
| 21:54.56 | sponix2ipfw | bolovanos: sweet |
| 21:56.23 | bolovanos | sponix2ipfw, /var/log -> apt/history.log or apt/term.log do not tell more |
| 21:57.13 | sponix2ipfw | bolovanos: if you see sney active, they can likely help |
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| 22:00.00 | bolovanos | sponix2ipfw, thanks for tip - will try to contact him tomorrow |
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| 22:19.41 | velix | Hell... why does sbuild pull hundrets of packages on the host ?! |
| 22:20.12 | velix | Normally, you need schroot, debootstrap and some stuff only. |
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| 22:21.36 | sponix2ipfw | velix: what is sbuild? |
| 22:21.56 | velix | sponix2ipfw: a chroot based environment to build debian packages. |
| 22:22.31 | velix | Up to now, I did it in a schroot on my own. ccache, eatmydata and apt-cache-ng. Done. |
| 22:22.36 | velix | I'll keep on doing so. |
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| 22:31.14 | sponix | velix: you like to build packages ? |
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| 22:31.36 | velix | sponix: Yes, backporting is a hobby. |
| 22:32.11 | velix | I don't have a girlfriend, so I do package building. |
| 22:32.28 | sponix | velix: I wrote to the backkport list but never even got anyone to reply. I would like to see the whole virt-manager / gnome-boxes qemu / kvm suite with current versions in backports |
| 22:32.53 | sponix | velix: so far the ONLY backport I've done was the !ssb method for rtorrent with its 2/3 deps |
| 22:32.54 | velix | sponix: Some years ago, I wrote a snippet to auto-backport ever depedency needed. |
| 22:33.01 | velix | But I ended up at FrankenDebian. |
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| 22:47.25 | alencc1986 | Hello, guys. How are you? I'm facing a problem with 'buster-backports' and 'LibreOffice'. When I try to update my system with 'sudo apt -t buster-backports dist-upgrade', LibreOffice latest version is installed (or, at least, APT try to update it), but it brokes my LibreOffice installation in a way that I can't have LibreOffice installed in my system. Does anyone is facing the same problem? Do you |
| 22:47.26 | alencc1986 | know if there's a solution for this? |
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| 22:50.17 | sponix | alencc1986: I did similar recently and it worked out fine |
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| 22:50.50 | sponix | alencc1986: Oh, my command is a bit different: apt -t buster-backports full-upgrade |
| 22:51.05 | sponix | alencc1986: try "full-upgrade" instead of dist-upgrade lol |
| 22:51.33 | annadane | dist-upgrade will actively remove packages |
| 22:51.35 | sponix | because backports isn't a different full Debian branch upgrade, it is just pulling select packages from backports |
| 22:51.52 | sponix | annadane: so will "apt autoremove" afterwards if something isn't needed lol |
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| 22:52.29 | alencc1986 | Got it. I will try it. Thanks. |
| 22:52.37 | sponix | I know the command I listed worked for me like 2 days ago. Can't say that it does work the best for everyone else though |
| 22:53.11 | sponix | alencc1986: pretty sure, that looks at every package you already have installed, and if it exist in backports updates to the backports version of it |
| 22:53.55 | alencc1986 | Up to last week, 'backports' was working perfectly fine. So, in this weekend, it broken my LibreOffice installation. |
| 22:54.16 | alencc1986 | But, I'm checking this full-upgrade |
| 22:55.09 | sponix | alencc1986: well, the person that tossed that command in here, said it was just good to list all available backports for what you currently have installed. And that they didn't recommend actually upgrading all of them. So doing so is of course at your own risk |
| 22:55.34 | sponix | alencc1986: I for some reason like to Break my Linux about every 3-6 Months it seems |
| 22:58.12 | alencc1986 | sponix: Well... Sometimes, I broke my system too. Just checking if someone got the same problem. |
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| 23:13.37 | alencc1986 | Backports and Libreoffice >>> It is still breaking my system. But, anyway, thanks for your attention. |
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| 23:15.04 | annadane | if you paste the output of how it's breaking, or describe your problem more fully, maybe we can help you |
| 23:15.10 | annadane | this is a support channel. :-) |
| 23:16.51 | sponix | good point "breaking" isn't very descriptive |
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| 23:25.13 | alencc1986 | annadane sponix: While updating my system, APT (dpkg) returns error code 1 for libreoffice-common. And then, when using 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb', packages start to conflict/break each other. Like: LibreOffice itself, but also exim, libjuh-java, libjurt-java, ure, python3-uno, uno (and its dependencies), logsave and e2fsprogs. |
| 23:25.40 | alencc1986 | The last line of error message is: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." |
| 23:27.54 | sponix | alencc1986: umm... I have NO IDEA why you are attempting to run dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb --- that is going back and trying to install everything already pulled down prior |
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| 23:30.03 | alencc1986 | Well... I was trying to force the update. But, ok. Thanks for your attention, guys. |
| 23:30.10 | alencc1986 | See you later. |
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| 23:34.36 | sponix | well that for sure isn't the way to force an update -- it is the way to break your OS lol |
| 23:35.20 | joepublic | maybe copy the debs to heavy backup tapes and throw them at the machine *whack* *bam* *pow* |
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