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| 01:43.29 | LaScoumoune | Hi all, is it possible to catch the audio from a device ? |
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| 02:09.18 | usney | how well does pine64 products work with debian? Do I have to use manjaro for getting the best compatibility? |
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| 02:14.32 | sney | it looks like they target ubuntu, so any modern linux should work |
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| 02:15.05 | usney | cool |
| 02:15.22 | Moshe` | Does anyone here understand Google Cloud well?? |
| 02:15.32 | usney | google drive? |
| 02:15.38 | Moshe` | no google cloud |
| 02:15.43 | usney | oh okay |
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| 02:26.08 | nvz | not really on topic here.. amazon, wolfram, etc.. all offer similar solutions |
| 02:26.40 | usney | maybe they want to use it on debian? |
| 02:27.01 | sney | more likely they want to use a debian image hosted there |
| 02:27.18 | sney | as far as I know, they're fine, with the usual caveats of cloud vms |
| 02:27.47 | usney | oh okay |
| 02:28.23 | usney | yea that would be more of a google cloud question |
| 02:28.37 | usney | for the google cloud community |
| 02:29.31 | usney | but once you get the image working and have a question on it maybe it is a debian question? especially if it isn't a custom debian image. |
| 02:30.04 | usney | like one based on debian |
| 02:30.05 | sney | once a debian vm is running it's supported here, except for anything that's obviously caused by customization or the fact that it's a vm |
| 02:30.21 | usney | cool |
| 02:30.22 | Moshe` | maybe some one know if on google cloud vm there is ipv6? |
| 02:30.34 | sney | no idea, but I would be very surprised if there isn't. |
| 02:31.02 | usney | you should be able to know at looking at the network settings in what every de you are using. |
| 02:31.13 | usney | are you using an graphical interface? |
| 02:31.22 | sney | it sounds like they don't have it yet |
| 02:31.28 | usney | ok |
| 02:31.41 | sney | Moshe`: email them and ask. |
| 02:32.24 | usney | I can't believe the founder of the linux kernel doesn't use debian because it is too hard to install |
| 02:32.43 | Moshe` | when i run test -f /proc/net/if_inet6 && echo "Running kernel is IPv6 ready" its says that ipv6 is ready |
| 02:32.43 | annadane | that was like, a 2007 interview or something |
| 02:32.43 | usney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGTs1NSB1s |
| 02:32.50 | sney | the founder of the linux kernel is famous for saying wacky things. don't worry about it |
| 02:32.54 | Moshe` | but when i try to connect my znc to ipv6 server |
| 02:32.57 | usney | yes it was a 2007 interview |
| 02:33.02 | Moshe` | its <*status> Cannot connect to IRC (Network is unreachable). Retrying... |
| 02:33.24 | sney | sounds like a routing problem |
| 02:33.26 | annadane | debian was supposedly once kind of difficult to install but now it's fine |
| 02:33.36 | annadane | no idea what torvalds uses now, anyway, this is off topic |
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| 02:34.18 | usney | how is it off-topic it is about debian? |
| 02:34.24 | sney | installing debian for the past ~10 years has been almost identical to installing ubuntu, other than some colors and the occasional wifi firmware issue, so I think it's psychological also |
| 02:34.41 | sney | either way: don't let Linus Torvalds tell you how to think. try stuff and make your own choices |
| 02:34.51 | annadane | because this is a channel for support questions and anyway someone has oen |
| 02:34.53 | usney | yes I have the wifi firmware issue on my old laptop from 2005 |
| 02:34.56 | annadane | one* |
| 02:35.26 | sney | Moshe`: have you tried pinging or running a traceroute between that vm and any ipv6 address? |
| 02:35.52 | usney | but it works after I install the modules I need for it to work over the wired ethernet |
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| 02:36.33 | annadane | yeah, there's the asterisk. now it's fine* *except for non-free firmware which you still have to supply yourself |
| 02:36.37 | annadane | or use the non-free image |
| 02:36.37 | Moshe` | sney: no my friend how i going this? |
| 02:37.13 | sney | Moshe`: ping6 google.com |
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| 02:41.37 | Moshe` | connect: Network is unreachable D: |
| 02:41.43 | Moshe` | so i dont have ipv6? |
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| 02:44.40 | Moshe` | connect: Network is unreachable D: |
| 02:44.40 | Moshe` | so i dont have ipv6? |
| 02:44.49 | sney | you are not connected to an ipv6 network |
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| 02:45.05 | sney | email your hosting provider and ask them if there's any extra setup you need to do. |
| 02:46.37 | Moshe` | its google cloud vm they are sooo complicated |
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| 03:17.13 | Aebian | is there a reason why network-manager sometimes scrambles my mac-address? I just logged out, logged back in and suddently I have a new mac address on my wlo adapter. I seta static ip to my laptop via mac-address which obviously don't work then. What logfile would capture this behaviour? |
| 03:17.45 | Aebian | happens to me the second time in about three months |
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| 03:53.18 | themill | Aebian: there is a setting in network-manager to use a randomised mac address each time the device associates with an AP, but that's not on by default |
| 03:53.46 | themill | Some hardware generates a new mac address each time the firmware is loaded too... although I haven't seen that for a while now |
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| 04:06.42 | at0m | Aebian: there's macchanger, too, but that would require explicit calling, it will not automatically interfere |
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| 04:35.12 | metbsd | is there way to set when to start a service and when to stop with systemctl command |
| 04:35.48 | ansimita | can u use cron instead? |
| 04:36.19 | metbsd | yah |
| 04:36.20 | somiaj | metbsd: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/265704/start-stop-a-systemd-service-at-specific-times -- found this, you can use .timer units |
| 04:36.44 | somiaj | The stopping part seems to be the harder part, because you will need a second unit whose job is to kill the first unit |
| 04:37.24 | metbsd | i think i'll use crontab |
| 04:37.43 | ansimita | ooo https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/278564/cron-vs-systemd-timers |
| 04:41.21 | ZaZaGX | how do i check to update the bios firmware? |
| 04:42.00 | ZaZaGX | when i used to use gnome, something would pop up to download and update some firmware |
| 04:42.05 | ZaZaGX | i just switched to kde now, it doesn't auto alert me the updates |
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| 04:43.27 | annadane | the kde updater icon thing possibly doesn't have a popup |
| 04:43.37 | annadane | you have updates when the green circle thing is there |
| 04:43.58 | annadane | or at least that was true in 5.8 and i don't think it changed in 5.14 |
| 04:44.04 | annadane | but not entirely sure |
| 04:45.03 | ZaZaGX | i thought there was a command to force the update |
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| 04:51.43 | Aebian | themill: correct, I don't have a config for it. That's what bugs me. It should just use that Intel wifi cards mac address and no change. I guess I'll check that issye further after I woke up again. Heading to sleep now :D Thanks for the reply |
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| 04:51.57 | Aebian | at0m: yup, I don't have that pkg installed :P |
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| 06:30.43 | r15 | Hi, I have 3 IP addresses in same network and there is only 1 network interface on my server, is there a way to keep 1st ip active for some time and then 2nd ip, and after sometime 3rd IP |
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| 07:15.54 | epsilon | I have a plain mysql install on buster, "mysql -u root -p" works fine. Web application with same credentials results in 'root'@'localhost' access denied. Did I miss something? |
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| 07:28.28 | jolt | epsilon: first, follow the guide to you web application and dont use root credentials for non-root usage. Ever. Then look at "GRANT" in mysql on how to grant access. The web application will most likely provide how to configure the db. |
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| 07:44.07 | hk238 | https://pasteboard.co/J42FsCc.png |
| 07:44.18 | hk238 | sometime ago the wired ethernet connection icon was changed into this |
| 07:44.24 | hk238 | how can I change the icon into something else? |
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| 08:16.27 | kreyren | How do i pipe .key to apt in such a way that would allow it to pull the packages? |
| 08:16.35 | kreyren | basically avoiding downloading file in http://dpaste.com/0HQ1AVX |
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| 08:19.18 | mutante | kreyren: wget ... | | sudo apt-key add - but also see https://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2017/08/on_piping_curl_to_apt_key/ why it is not really safe |
| 08:19.25 | mutante | eh, drop one of the | |
| 08:19.43 | jolt | kreyren: Like so: wget -qnc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key -O - | sudo apt-key add - |
| 08:20.02 | kreyren | thanks ^-^ |
| 08:20.22 | mutante | Debian developers suggest importing the key into a personal GnuPG keyring, inspecting the integrity and then exporting it into apt-key. T |
| 08:20.38 | mutante | it could sneak a second key in there without you noticing it |
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| 08:21.16 | kreyren | mutante, can't be used for personal GnuPG assuming usage on production server which has this environment public |
| 08:21.42 | kreyren | ideally if i could insert the key somewhere for apt to work with it tbh because i dont have curl and wget at that stage |
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| 08:22.30 | alkisg | In /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d, in the form of a keyring.gpg |
| 08:22.57 | mutante | kreyren: i think you can scratch "personal" and have GPG keyring in production |
| 08:24.00 | kreyren | alkisg, anything special to do? just renaming it from winehq.key on winehq.gpg ? |
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| 08:24.21 | alkisg | It's not a key it's a keyring, it needs conversion, I don't have the command handy |
| 08:24.25 | kreyren | assuming winehq.key being public pgp key |
| 08:24.49 | kreyren | checking |
| 08:25.13 | mutante | gpg recv-keys <key id> --keyring <file name> ? |
| 08:26.14 | kreyren | doesn't have gpg so he has to process it later anyway >.< |
| 08:26.15 | mutante | oh, right. also see: ""apt-key adv" allows one to download the key from a public keyserver." |
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| 08:26.41 | mutante | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 00000000 |
| 08:27.20 | kreyren | https://keyring.debian.org/ for debian right? |
| 08:27.37 | alkisg | kreyren: if you convert the .key to a .gpg once, you can then drop it to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/wine.gpg without any other processing |
| 08:27.57 | kreyren | alkisg, ideally i want it to process the key incase upstream changes it in the future |
| 08:28.03 | mutante | yea, but without https protocol. --keyserver keyring.debian.org |
| 08:28.09 | kreyren | noted |
| 08:29.10 | kreyren | How do i get the key id? |
| 08:30.26 | kreyren | got the key id from err msg |
| 08:30.42 | alkisg | If upstream updates the key, you'd need to reupload it to the key server. Same as reuploading the .gpg somewhere, or embedding it in your installer script etc etc |
| 08:31.06 | mutante | kreyren: gpg: key 76F1A20FF987672F: public key "WineHQ packages <wine-devel@winehq.org>" imported |
| 08:31.28 | mutante | normally, i would use gpg --search-keys to find it before importing it |
| 08:31.35 | kreyren | && apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 0x76F1A20FF987672F \ |
| 08:31.36 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.53 | kreyren | gpg --search-keys noted |
| 08:32.00 | mutante | if they uploaded it to keyservers and it got synced.. yea |
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| 08:32.56 | mutante | kreyren: keys.openpgp.org works for me: |
| 08:32.57 | mutante | gpg --search-keys 76F1A20FF987672F |
| 08:32.57 | mutante | gpg: data source: https://keys.openpgp.org:443 |
| 08:32.57 | mutante | (1) 3072 bit RSA key 76F1A20FF987672F, created: 2018-12-10 |
| 08:33.24 | kreyren | noted |
| 08:33.25 | mutante | there are issues with some keyservers |
| 08:33.34 | mutante | they need to sync to each other |
| 08:33.42 | kreyren | Should i prefer openpgp over debian ? |
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| 08:34.13 | kreyren | (if so i need some valid reasoning or QA is going to stab me) |
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| 08:34.26 | mutante | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/530778/what-is-debians-default-gpg-keyserver-and-where-is-it-configured |
| 08:34.40 | mutante | The upstream default currently uses the SKS keyservers. |
| 08:34.48 | mutante | not sure.. |
| 08:35.39 | mutante | hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net but then " Given that the SKS keyserver network is under attack via certificate flooding, and third-party certifications will not be accepted anyway, we now ship with the more tightly-constrained and abuse-resistant system hkps://keys.openpgp.org as the default keyserver." |
| 08:35.50 | mutante | kreyren: i think so, per ^ |
| 08:36.03 | kreyren | noted |
| 08:36.38 | kreyren | seems to work now thanks ^-^ |
| 08:36.42 | mutante | :) |
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| 09:02.35 | simplicius | When I connect to my router the hostname that apperars is called "debian" I need to change it |
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| 09:24.31 | ansimita | simplicius: please refer to the hostname(1) manpage |
| 09:25.35 | hk238 | Anyone know about why the `ethernet connection` icon changed to: https://pasteboard.co/J42FsCc.png ? |
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| 09:29.03 | kreyren | mutante, does not work anymore for some reason? https://i.imgur.com/6zs66IR.png |
| 09:29.11 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:23.05 | trek00 | hk238: may be you have installed a new icon theme? |
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| 10:23.32 | hk238 | And if I did not? |
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| 10:25.04 | trek00 | hk238: i don't know |
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| 10:27.08 | MeanEYE | Any of you folks had issues with GDM not starting on Debian Testing after recent updates? |
| 10:28.15 | Haohmaru | most people here use stable |
| 10:28.21 | Haohmaru | !testing |
| 10:28.21 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 10:29.11 | MeanEYE | I see that message hasn't changed. Thank you, I am aware next is on different server. I have asked there as well but to no response. |
| 10:29.29 | Haohmaru | patience.. |
| 10:30.14 | Haohmaru | i don't like/use gnome/gdm.. *shrug* |
| 10:31.29 | MeanEYE | Recently it has become much better and the fact I don't have to hack around it makes it event better. |
| 10:31.52 | Haohmaru | lxde for me |
| 10:31.55 | MeanEYE | Sad thing is, I can't find solution to this issue. It's probably some package got updated without its dependency and now everything is going to hell. |
| 10:32.02 | MeanEYE | Even report bug is broken. |
| 10:32.03 | miskatonic | gnome is only for mouselovers, so I don't use it. Fortunately, there's the minimal install to pick whatever keyboard-only friendly alternative |
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| 10:33.10 | Haohmaru | i want windows with titlebars |
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| 10:35.09 | mutante | Haohmaru: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software) ? |
| 10:35.50 | Haohmaru | i don't like the look of that too much |
| 10:36.17 | Haohmaru | i've found a DE+themes+settings which are "okay" for me |
| 10:36.31 | mutante | well. that is unfixable |
| 10:36.43 | mutante | ok |
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| 10:42.54 | miskatonic | isn't Mate just gnome2 continued? |
| 10:43.54 | mutante | miskatonic: yea, but everybody hated GNOME3 and wanted that so i would drop the "just" :) |
| 10:44.07 | mutante | is a happy user of it |
| 10:44.34 | mutante | also it's in Debian |
| 10:45.06 | oxek | The youtube-dl version in debian no longer works with youtube due to changes on youtube webpage. I am trying to use the official version of youtube-dl instead. |
| 10:45.12 | oxek | it tells me to do sudo curl -L https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -o /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 10:45.18 | oxek | but that feels dirty |
| 10:45.32 | oxek | is that the proper way of doing it? Or is there a better path where it should be downloaded into? |
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| 10:46.18 | oxek | alternatively, the version in debian testing works, but I was advised to not install apps from testing on stable |
| 10:46.41 | oxek | no backports exist for this app |
| 10:46.51 | Haohmaru | yeah, don't then |
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| 10:47.08 | Haohmaru | unless you're brave and think you can fix it if it breaks |
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| 10:47.25 | oxek | I am new to debian & linux in general, so I doubt I can fix things |
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| 10:47.35 | oxek | I am looking for the proper way of getting this app to work on debian |
| 10:47.54 | oxek | (aside from waiting a year for testing to become stable) |
| 10:47.54 | Haohmaru | at worst, you'd take the source code and build it |
| 10:48.11 | archaeopter | Hello! I want to use nonesr firefox on debian testing- whats the better option- snap or flatpak? |
| 10:49.59 | towo^work | archaeopter, nothing of both |
| 10:50.20 | towo^work | archaeopter, use the original binray direct from mozilla |
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| 10:50.44 | archaeopter | Will it update automatically? |
| 10:50.46 | oxek | towo^work: I thought the original from mozilla no longer runs of debian stable |
| 10:51.09 | towo^work | oxek, aha, i'm allways on unstable |
| 10:51.26 | oxek | archaeopter: I used flatpak for it, and update it using flatpak |
| 10:51.53 | miskatonic | the original binary from mozilla is tainted with proprietary extensions and assaults on privacy ... not an option for me even if it was still pre-quantum time |
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| 10:54.08 | oxek | miskatonic: what do you mean? |
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| 10:59.59 | miskatonic | oxek: official mozilla contains proprietary codecs for drm, enables telemetry by default, makes it impossible to turn off javascript on the fly, and other abstrusities |
| 11:00.26 | ratrace | lol |
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| 11:00.40 | oxek | miskatonic: thanks |
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| 11:01.39 | oxek | what is the proper debian way of doing this: The package in 'stable' does not work at all, but the package in 'testing' works just fine. Should I do a bugreport about it? |
| 11:01.53 | ratrace | oxek: are you familiar with python virtualenvs? you can run youtube-dl inside one, installable from pypi |
| 11:02.37 | oxek | ratrace: I've done a little bit of python before and used venv, but I don't know how I'd do this given that I mainly use youtube-dl to play movies in mpv. |
| 11:02.43 | Unit193 | It'd be good if the thing was backported. :/ |
| 11:02.45 | oxek | not sure how I'd piece it together in that scenario |
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| 11:03.49 | ratrace | oxek: well, in short, install a python3 virtualenv, activate it, pip install youtube_dl, and use it. and every time you need to use it, don't forget to activate the venv on the shell first. does that sound familiar and easy to do? |
| 11:04.06 | oxek | imho all apps that rely on internet services should always be at the latest version still supported by original developer. Just like debian does it with firefox-esr, they moved onto the newer one instead of keeping the ancient one. |
| 11:04.32 | oxek | ratrace: it sounds doable, I'll give it a try. Messy though. |
| 11:04.59 | Antoine- | Hello, what does debian uses by default to display international symbols? Is it fonts-noto? |
| 11:05.01 | Unit193 | You could backport the one from testing (or I guess use it directly, but that's less supported in #debian.) |
| 11:05.03 | Antoine- | use* |
| 11:05.18 | ratrace | oxek: it is a bit. you'd have to youtube-dl stuff first, then play it with mpv later. but... I _think_ if you run mpv on the shell with virtualenv activated, it might use that youtube-dl itself |
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| 11:06.05 | oxek | Unit193: I never tried backporting stuff myself, I'll look it up. |
| 11:06.12 | ratrace | oxek: since "activating" a virtualenv is merely adjusting PATH so that virtualenv's python is found FIRST, before the system python |
| 11:06.16 | Unit193 | !ssb |
| 11:06.16 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:06.41 | oxek | so I guess I should not report this bug? it feels strange to have a package in 'stable' that is completely broken. |
| 11:07.59 | Unit193 | #908947 |
| 11:08.00 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/908947 in youtube-dl (open): «recent version for stable-(updates|backports)»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-09-16; last modified: 2020-03-24. |
| 11:08.41 | oxek | I suck at this, I need to learn how to search the debian bugreports, sorry about that. |
| 11:08.58 | Unit193 | It's not in backports, fwiw. |
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| 11:10.03 | mpmc | Unit193: pretty sure you've cloned yourself. Those clones then take shifts making sure you're everywhere on IRC. |
| 11:10.53 | Unit193 | That'd also explain some sarcastic comments I find in code, too. |
| 11:11.20 | mpmc | hahaha |
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| 11:23.18 | gugaua | Hello, I have a question regarding creation of .gz file... I have fileA.gz and fileB.gz.... I want both files to be packed the same way fileA.gz is downloaded, fileB.xml.gz is self created..... I am checking both files with "file filename" output of fileA = "FileA.xml.gz; gzip compressed data, was "file.xml, last modified etc...." output of FileB = "fileb.xml.gz; gzip compressed data, last modified etc...." |
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| 11:23.39 | gugaua | so I need my self created file to be "was before file.xml" |
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| 11:24.56 | gugaua | the real question is, how do I create a file in .gz that output of "file filename" will show file was before "filename" |
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| 11:27.33 | mase-tech | does debian offer a rollback option like open suse ? |
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| 11:28.35 | gugaua | https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1310428 |
| 11:29.22 | mutante | gugaua: i just tried it with the regular gzip and file commands without special options in stable.. and it does have the "was" part in it. works for me |
| 11:30.07 | mutante | gugaua: my gzip is version 1.9 and file is 5.35 how about you? |
| 11:30.39 | gugaua | mutante, ohh, I was using tar |
| 11:31.25 | mutante | gugaua: well. that is the answer i guess. just use "gzip filename" |
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| 11:32.17 | gugaua | mutante, oh yes... thank you so much |
| 11:32.31 | gugaua | mutante, I checked with file and perfect |
| 11:33.39 | mutante | gugaua: :) |
| 11:35.35 | trek00 | mase-tech: nope, but you can install old packages from https://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 11:38.10 | trek00 | oxek: have you tried with the backport version of youtube-dl? |
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| 11:42.44 | jvava | I installed many packages in the last system, but now which can not be started and I have only its file system, how can I find out whats packages is installed? |
| 11:43.03 | jvava | so I can install them in this new system, thanks |
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| 11:45.08 | trek00 | jvava: dpkg --get-selections --admindir /path/to/old/var/lib/dpkg |
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| 11:55.08 | krumelmonster | Hi there. I have to reinstall a package which was implicitly (as a dependency of another package) installed but I don't want to make it installed explicitly. Will `apt install --reinstall package` set it as explicit? |
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| 11:57.52 | joepublic | just apt install package will do that, no need for reinstall |
| 11:57.56 | dvs | krumelmonster, apt-mark manual <package> |
| 12:00.11 | krumelmonster | I think there's a misunderstanding. The package is installed implicitly. I want to keep it this way. But I made a mistake when installing so I need to reinstall WITHOUT marking as manual. But thanks, I guess `apt install --reinstall PACKAGE; apt-mark auto PACKAGE` should do :) |
| 12:00.44 | joepublic | i misunderstood. good interpolation on your part however to clean it up. |
| 12:01.11 | krumelmonster | Ah no, reinstall doesn't seem to change auto to manual so I'm fine with just reinstalling :) |
| 12:01.42 | oxek | trek00: no matter how much I look, there's no backport version of youtube-dl, I'll have to try making it myself, and am reading docs on it now |
| 12:03.57 | krumelmonster | ,checkbackport borgmatic |
| 12:03.58 | judd | Backporting package borgmatic in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 12:04.07 | krumelmonster | ,checkbackport youtube-dl |
| 12:04.09 | judd | Backporting package youtube-dl in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 12:04.17 | krumelmonster | fascinating |
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| 12:08.15 | krumelmonster | I had pretty much the same issue with borgmatic (python, too) and I ended up simply manually installing the testing package on stable. |
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| 12:11.33 | trek00 | oxek: oops sorry, i thought there was one |
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| 12:14.45 | trek00 | oxek: if it does not require a new version of python, may be you can just download the official tar and install on your ~/bin as normal user |
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| 12:23.23 | mase-tech | hi |
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| 12:24.23 | trek00 | mase-tech: hello |
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| 12:25.17 | ksk | ,file startx |
| 12:25.20 | judd | Search for startx in buster/amd64: xinit: usr/bin/startx; ltsp-client-core: usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/startx |
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| 12:32.03 | mase-tech | I need emoji support in debian |
| 12:32.13 | mase-tech | no |
| 12:32.51 | Haohmaru | crapmoji x_x |
| 12:34.43 | trek00 | mase-tech: may be it's something related to UTF and fonts |
| 12:35.11 | mase-tech | trek00, thanks |
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| 13:28.15 | nvz | mase-tech: we have that though its not the latest unicode |
| 13:28.41 | nvz | mase-tech: as previously stated you have to be using utf-8 and a font that has the emojis |
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| 13:40.21 | AStove | Does anyone know how to get the libv8-dev ⤠3.24.3 package on Debian buster? |
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| 13:47.00 | annadane | hmm it's not -dev but https://snapshot.debian.org/package/libv8/ |
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| 13:52.04 | AStove | those are very old |
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| 13:54.48 | annadane | < is less than |
| 13:54.56 | annadane | i assumed that was what was meant |
| 13:55.01 | annadane | ,v libv8-dev |
| 13:55.02 | judd | Package: libv8-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.5.8-8.1; stretch: 3.14.5.8-11 |
| 13:55.19 | annadane | oh i guess you can possibly install it from stretch |
| 13:55.31 | annadane | should've checked that first |
| 13:55.50 | AStove | are there not many versions between 3.12 and 3.24? |
| 13:56.39 | annadane | i wouldn't know how to check, i can try looking for the upstream website |
| 13:56.50 | AStove | I trie that one from jessie |
| 13:56.53 | AStove | try* |
| 13:57.38 | annadane | it's a regular package in stretch but a virtual package in buster |
| 13:58.18 | annadane | https://bugs.chromium.org/p/v8/issues/list is apparently the website for it, that's where packages.debian.org links to |
| 13:58.34 | annadane | not very useful |
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| 14:21.39 | AStove | I got it working, thanks. |
| 14:21.39 | Guest75 | debootstrap --include=systemd-container --components=main,universe stable container https://deb.debian.org/debian/ |
| 14:21.44 | Guest75 | how can I allow root logins |
| 14:21.50 | Guest75 | in this pseudo systemd container |
| 14:22.09 | Guest75 | root:$6$fDOi/Ipvq5m7KWBQ$8BMnfMZLQbPgOyyInGACQt4158IVKr7HJTLLxeRzZZwi3mSqPTxu8DgoMWTmgqUiI7nAef4ylcBACyCw3Sq150:18368:0:99999:7::: |
| 14:22.10 | Guest75 | password 1234 |
| 14:22.15 | Guest75 | I repalced the * with a hash |
| 14:22.22 | Guest75 | there is no /bin/false nor /sbin/nologin |
| 14:22.25 | Guest75 | in /etc/passwd |
| 14:22.44 | Guest75 | Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a98059e2715312507b6411c1644b9e16/pasted.txt |
| 14:22.46 | Guest75 | ??? |
| 14:22.51 | Guest75 | sudo systemd-nspawn -b -D container/ |
| 14:23.26 | Guest75 | it is debian stable container as far as I know |
| 14:24.33 | Guest75 | I should have downloaded debian iso installed it into a vm and set that up |
| 14:24.50 | Guest75 | and then grabbed the rootfs from the vm and nspawn into that |
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| 14:27.31 | Guest75 | okay docker better not piss me off again I am not waiting for 4GiB of data to download just to use a single tool |
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| 14:27.53 | petn-randall | .... ok |
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| 14:28.13 | petn-randall | Why you'd write a wall of text and then immediately disconnect is beyond my comprehension. |
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| 14:42.33 | nulleip | some fonts in my debian desktop got messed up, only shows symbols, hexadecimal values of each char |
| 14:43.30 | nulleip | how ti fix that, tryied to reinstall fonts package but doesn't helped |
| 14:43.35 | nulleip | to*.. |
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| 14:45.03 | petn-randall | nulleip: You likely just have to change the font settings in your desktop. |
| 14:45.22 | petn-randall | nulleip: Might also help if you try to remember the steps you took that resulted in this issue. |
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| 14:46.58 | nulleip | petn-randall: I just update the system... |
| 14:47.04 | nulleip | petn-randall: |
| 14:47.15 | nulleip | petn-randall: Maybe is just a font cache issue? |
| 14:47.38 | nulleip | I will try to run some commands as shown on https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts#Configuration |
| 14:48.05 | mase-tech | how can i make entries in grub2 |
| 14:48.24 | mase-tech | what purpose does the entries of grub2 have ? |
| 14:48.24 | trek00 | nulleip: may be you are using some fonts without full support of unicode? |
| 14:48.48 | trek00 | nulleip: or the charset is not UTF-8? |
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| 14:49.10 | trek00 | mase-tech: to launch different kernels |
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| 14:50.16 | mase-tech | are also snapshots possible in this entry |
| 14:50.29 | mase-tech | or must I install before btrfs |
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| 14:52.11 | nulleip | trek00: I always have used UTF-8, never changed, locale settings are fine |
| 14:53.13 | trek00 | mase-tech: grub and snapshots are not tied in any way as far i know |
| 14:54.00 | trek00 | nulleip: may be you can try to delete your ~/.cache/fontconfig and restart the application |
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| 14:56.10 | mase-tech | I am looking for a tool like timemachine for linux or alternative open suse process to rollback |
| 14:57.32 | mase-tech | what is the recovery mode |
| 14:57.35 | mase-tech | in grub |
| 14:58.26 | nkuttler | mase-tech: try it and see? |
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| 14:59.38 | nulleip | trek00: Did not worked, tryied to run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig without success either |
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| 15:00.51 | trek00 | nulleip: what desktop? |
| 15:01.31 | mase-tech | I am on debian server |
| 15:01.34 | mase-tech | I am pro |
| 15:01.35 | mase-tech | !! |
| 15:01.35 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 15:01.37 | mase-tech | ;D |
| 15:01.39 | nulleip | trek00: xfce 14 |
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| 15:01.53 | mase-tech | you have gui |
| 15:01.58 | mase-tech | to much bling bling |
| 15:02.11 | mase-tech | LOL ? |
| 15:02.34 | nulleip | trek00: I think that maybe it was because of update of the package fonts-freefonts-ttf or other fonts-* package... |
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| 15:04.45 | trek00 | nulleip: yeah some fonts don't have full unicode support and some need an -extra package to have full unicode |
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| 15:09.54 | nulleip | trek00: Its weird, because the same fonts that today are shown buggy wered shown fine in the past, and no package *font* were removed |
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| 15:10.50 | rue_mohr | apt-file search SVGATextMode |
| 15:10.50 | rue_mohr | "uniq" is not exported by the List::Util module |
| 15:10.57 | rue_mohr | ^^^ anyone know anything about that error? |
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| 15:13.15 | rue_mohr | apt search svgatextmode |
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| 15:14.27 | rue_mohr | does the apt bot even work anymore? |
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| 15:14.51 | mase-tech | cowsay does not work in debian |
| 15:15.11 | mase-tech | command not found |
| 15:15.16 | mase-tech | but it is installed |
| 15:15.22 | rue_mohr | use apt-file to find out what package its in :) |
| 15:15.39 | rue_mohr | dkpg -L cowsay |
| 15:15.46 | rue_mohr | look for the "bin" |
| 15:16.08 | rue_mohr | it might just not be in your default path - error in package |
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| 15:17.39 | rue_mohr | hmm it looks like the svgatextmode package was dropped |
| 15:17.42 | mase-tech | dpkg |
| 15:17.46 | mase-tech | not dkpg |
| 15:17.59 | rue_mohr | yea typo, blame the author |
| 15:18.14 | ksk | hola. Just got a box with "AMD Ryzen 5 3600"-CPU. Running linux-image-amd64 from buster-backports the "lm-sensors" package does output data for the k10temp sensor; Does anyone know, if that is accurate? |
| 15:18.46 | ksk | (I am seeing >90°C temps when producing some load, kind of disturbing ;) |
| 15:19.01 | rue_mohr | eek, |
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| 15:20.57 | hata | stock cooler and PBO on? could be accurate |
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| 15:21.30 | ksk | PBO? Yes, stock cooler, I was like "eh, this is small" when I unboxed it.. |
| 15:22.21 | hata | I don't even know if you can run ryzen master on linux, it's the software amd provides to mess with the clock speeds and memory |
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| 15:22.37 | hata | the stock cooler is pretty weak |
| 15:22.59 | hata | my 3600x was always at 80c+ even with default cpu speeds |
| 15:23.06 | mase-tech | rue_mohr, how can we fix the problem |
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| 15:24.30 | hata | I put on a better cooler and now it's like 40x idle and ~60c under load in a 24c room |
| 15:24.34 | hata | 40c idle * |
| 15:25.15 | ksk | yeah, got 35-40 Idle, around 20°C ambient temp over here. |
| 15:25.37 | ksk | thanks for your input, guess Ill just need to invest in some kilograms of aluminum then :X |
| 15:25.49 | hata | it shouldn't take much to cool it down |
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| 15:26.48 | hata | even a ~$20 generic cooler with a few heatpipes will bring it down to a reasonable level |
| 15:27.09 | rue_mohr | mase-tech, did you find out if it put a binary program somewhere? |
| 15:27.23 | rue_mohr | dpkg -L cowsay |
| 15:27.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching cowsay |
| 15:27.31 | rue_mohr | thought you said you installed it? |
| 15:27.46 | ksk | you are looking for cowsay? :) |
| 15:27.48 | ksk | ,file cowsay |
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| 15:27.53 | judd | Search for cowsay in buster/amd64: cowsay: usr/games/cowsay; xcowsay: usr/games/xcowsay; bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/cowsay; zsh-common: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_cowsay |
| 15:27.57 | rue_mohr | my apt-file is broken, I'm of limited help |
| 15:28.11 | rue_mohr | ,file svgatextmode |
| 15:28.16 | ksk | it is provided by the package cowsay. no surpise here :P |
| 15:28.17 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
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| 15:28.58 | rue_mohr | mase-tech, did you install cowsay? cause it sounds like you need to install it first |
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| 15:29.44 | rue_mohr | wheretf is the svgatextmode package!?!?!?! |
| 15:30.03 | ksk | ,v svgatextmode |
| 15:30.04 | judd | No package named 'svgatextmode' was found in amd64. |
| 15:30.16 | ksk | there never was a package by that name (imho) |
| 15:30.22 | rue_mohr | yes there has |
| 15:30.40 | rue_mohr | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=76679 |
| 15:31.28 | ksk | Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:04:20 UTC |
| 15:32.02 | ksk | there is a trigger for the bot to ask it "why was package XY removed" but I cannot manage to remember that trigger :/ |
| 15:33.38 | rue_mohr | hmm, we need a centralized non-debian package server for people who dont want to jump thru all the insane hoops to post a debian package |
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| 15:34.17 | rue_mohr | right now, everyone is just hosting their packages on their own server, its getting insane |
| 15:36.12 | jhutchins | ksk: It's just a pointer to the bugreport. |
| 15:36.24 | rue_mohr | a bug report means the package existed |
| 15:36.32 | rue_mohr | (sorry to break it to ya) |
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| 15:37.06 | jhutchins | rue_mohr: So you've been using Debian since when, Tuesday? Makes you an expert. |
| 15:37.22 | rue_mohr | THIS machine was installed in 2000 |
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| 15:37.39 | rue_mohr | I'v never reinstalled, just updated |
| 15:38.01 | rue_mohr | and a number of hardware changes |
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| 15:38.12 | broseph_stylin | hello everyone. |
| 15:38.19 | rue_mohr | looks like going to 64bit will need a reinstall tho, not looking forward to that |
| 15:39.49 | broseph_stylin | I was wondering.. If get say, RHCSA, is it going to hold less value soon with so much stuff moving to cloud services? |
| 15:40.41 | rue_mohr | so, your in NY and the internet goes down, all your cloud services dont work |
| 15:41.37 | jhutchins | broseph_stylin: Yeah, certifications come and go in value. Experience mostly holds it's value. |
| 15:42.10 | zege | rue_mohr: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/svgatextmode |
| 15:42.11 | jhutchins | broseph_stylin: Knowledge of containers and cloud services is pretty marketable right now. |
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| 15:43.00 | rue_mohr | I wonder if Ron died |
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| 15:46.32 | broseph_stylin | Rue_mohr, maybe if the power goes down in NY the servers are still up in another city. |
| 15:46.55 | rue_mohr | ah, it looks like Ron says the change int eh arch of the kernel video system broke everything |
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| 15:47.12 | rue_mohr | broseph_stylin, I'm just talking the internet going down |
| 15:47.23 | rue_mohr | because that happens a lot latley |
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| 15:47.28 | rue_mohr | ALL OF NY |
| 15:47.33 | broseph_stylin | Ohhh |
| 15:47.39 | broseph_stylin | True |
| 15:47.43 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 15:47.51 | broseph_stylin | So do you think I should still persue this RHCSA? |
| 15:47.53 | rue_mohr | its a point to have things that work locally |
| 15:48.11 | rue_mohr | I think that a good employer will set you up |
| 15:48.15 | broseph_stylin | I know it wont lead to a job or anyything, but I just want to know if the things I learn will hold value in the future for an employer. |
| 15:48.18 | rue_mohr | whatever the gap is |
| 15:49.08 | rue_mohr | get any experience you can, live, learn, follow passion (but, dont make it a day job) |
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| 15:50.43 | rue_mohr | sounds like ron died |
| 15:51.04 | jhutchins | broseph_stylin: I've not done the full RHCSA training, but I've read the outlines and the study guides. There is a LOT of stuff in the program that you will never use in real life. |
| 15:51.06 | rue_mohr | software never outlives its author |
| 15:51.44 | rue_mohr | jhutchins, this is typical of any course |
| 15:52.00 | rue_mohr | its often the manager who wants you to have the peice of paper |
| 15:52.02 | jhutchins | rue_mohr: Single author software is an exception. |
| 15:52.17 | rue_mohr | usually cause their manager told them good companies have it |
| 15:52.39 | rue_mohr | but what they dont realize is that their cause and effect are all backwards |
| 15:53.17 | rue_mohr | svgatextmode was a HUGE component of a lot of things |
| 15:53.59 | rue_mohr | I was hoping to use it to reset my text console, cause its all broken in a 40 lines kinda way |
| 15:54.14 | rue_mohr | but screw it, its sunny, I'm gonna go do some welding |
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| 16:04.48 | robi | how close is debian to a python2.7-free base install? |
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| 16:05.51 | sponix2ipfw | robi: good friends |
| 16:06.19 | robi | steak sauce |
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| 16:09.17 | robi | python2 is no more. is there a way i can have /usr/bin/python symlinked to /usr/bin/python3 without manual ln? |
| 16:09.24 | robi | update-alternatives doesn't list a python |
| 16:09.44 | sney | python2 is still maintained by debian so that we can have an orderly transition to a 3 default |
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| 16:09.58 | sney | it's not possible in buster but I think it might be a goal for bullseye |
| 16:10.38 | robi | python-minimal pulls in python2.7-minimal and that's what provides the /usr/bin/python file |
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| 16:10.40 | robi | sney: i see |
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| 16:11.41 | robi | is there a way i can make apt get angry and refuse to continue if some package tries to sneak python2 in? |
| 16:11.47 | sney | yep, bullseye is supposed to have 3 only https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=931659 |
| 16:11.48 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/931659 in release.debian.org (forwarded, moreinfo): «transition: rm python2»; severity: normal; opened: 2019-07-08; last modified: 2019-08-24. |
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| 16:14.33 | robi | what is a "ben file"? |
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| 16:16.57 | sney | the config for this, I think. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/python2-rm.html |
| 16:17.13 | Lope | I've got 2 internet connections. My PC uses X as the default route. I'd like to setup a way to start applications such that they use Y as the default route. I can easily do this if I create an LXC container, but I'm just wondering if I can somehow make another namespace (or whatever) on my existing linux installation, get a terminal in that context then just change the default route of that context and start whatever application that will use Y as the default |
| 16:17.13 | Lope | route. This avoids me needing to setup and maintain a whole separate linux installation just for a different default route. |
| 16:18.45 | Lope | Can you make a LXC container use the host's root while the host is currently running without buggering up the root fs? |
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| 16:20.10 | robi | ahh i see |
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| 16:21.10 | Lope | If that's not possible, could I (*SIMPLY* if it's not simple I don't want to do it) startup an LXC container using some sort of overlayfs of the host's root? |
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| 16:23.50 | ksk | Lope: should/could be possible utilizing the systemd cgroup/namespace interface - give it a trya.. |
| 16:24.28 | ksk | create a network namespace that has this default gw Y, put the service into it. |
| 16:24.34 | ksk | might not work for non-service things though. |
| 16:24.41 | Lope | ksk, I'm looking for more a bit more hand holding than that :) |
| 16:25.26 | Lope | Basically, I'd like to be able to run console applications or X apps, nothing with a service. |
| 16:25.39 | ksk | I do use lxc containers for that purpose. |
| 16:25.57 | Lope | Also I'm happy for any mutations to the overlay to be dropped when it's shut down. |
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| 16:26.52 | Lope | ksk, yeah, I've done it before as well, I'm just wondering if there's a way to have all my programs and software available in the container, and also not need to maintain another system. |
| 16:27.39 | Lope | What I'll probably do is setup an LXC container on an orange pi or whatever then do downloads in that. |
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| 16:28.12 | Lope | It's nice to be able to run downloads on a little SBC then let long downloads/uploads run and shut down my PC for the night etc. |
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| 16:29.13 | Lope | ksk do you ssh into your local lxc containers? |
| 16:29.35 | Lope | I've found terminal attachment to be quite crap for LXC containers vs openvz. |
| 16:29.41 | Lope | So I generally just SSH into them. |
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| 16:30.56 | Lope | When I used to be a purist, it bothered me having an additional "unnecessary" SSHD service running per container. But I've since matured to #getshitdone |
| 16:39.34 | ratrace | Lope: why not #getshitdonetherightway(tm) |
| 16:39.54 | Lope | ratrace, haha, also that, depends :) |
| 16:40.25 | Lope | ratrace, Is it possible that I can blacklist the nvidia framebuffer, so that Radeon is my desktop environment GPU, while still having the Nvidia driver functioning, being able to run the nvidia-smi command and being able to use CUDA GPU acceleration? |
| 16:40.29 | ratrace | getting something done is NOT an excuse to be lazy and doing it for the sake of doing it :) |
| 16:40.57 | ratrace | Lope: sorry, I know very little about GPU gymnastics. I'm more of a server guy. |
| 16:41.21 | Lope | ratrace, well, getting shit done quickly is good because sometimes after you do it, you realize that it's the wrong thing to do or won't work nomatter how ideally it's done. |
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| 16:52.20 | trek00 | Lope: you want to use cuda from inside the container? |
| 16:53.15 | invra | wah i jsut launched the official debian AWS EC2 istance and i think something is missconfigured in the aws image as i cant ssh into it... the ssh command jsut hangs... no output.. just hanging there forever |
| 16:55.12 | trek00 | invra: may be you need to open the ssh port on your security group? |
| 16:55.27 | invra | yeah i was jsut discovering that option |
| 16:56.25 | invra | that is exactly what it was lol trek00 |
| 16:57.12 | trek00 | :) |
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| 16:59.28 | somiaj | Lope: I don't think framebuffers are a thing much anymore, so I'm surprised the nvidia framebuffer is loading. I think you are running into that current video modules are kms (which is a kinda of framebuffer) so they are more core to the kernel, and xorg just uses a modesetting compadability driver. |
| 16:59.55 | somiaj | invra: ssh -vvv <blah> -- could it be you haven't setup the firewall on that ec2 instance correctly? |
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| 17:03.52 | invra | yeah i got it sorted thank you. i didnt know that aws alredy had a firewall |
| 17:04.10 | invra | well i guess there is no need to setup ufw then on the debian install |
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| 17:06.41 | sney | firewalls are rarely necessary on individual debian instances unless it's on an uncontrolled network or explicitly acting as a firewall for a network |
| 17:09.05 | sney | and even on an uncontrolled network, if you have e.g. a laptop that you use at airports but it doesn't have any listening services, you're locked up pretty tight by default. a firewall wouldn't add much if anything. |
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| 17:14.13 | bs0d | Hi all. I need a aarch64 cross-compiler (for cortex a-57) on an amd64 host system. In apt, I see gcc-8-aarch64-linux-gnu and gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu. What is the difference between those? |
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| 17:14.41 | bs0d | both say "GNU C compiler for the arm64 architecture" |
| 17:15.15 | greycat | judd depends gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu |
| 17:15.16 | judd | Package gcc-aarch64-linux-gnu in buster/amd64 -- depends: cpp-aarch64-linux-gnu (= 4:8.3.0-1), gcc-8-aarch64-linux-gnu (>= 8.3.0-1~). |
| 17:15.33 | greycat | one's just a metapackage that depends on the other, which is versioned |
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| 17:21.12 | bs0d | greycat, thanks! I should have thought of that, one is a dependency of the other one |
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| 17:35.45 | Akuw | i am trying to connect using openvpn but got "Certificate Validation Failure" |
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| 17:41.07 | section1 | well some cert/ca is bad |
| 17:41.20 | section1 | you can use openssl to verify the certs |
| 17:43.14 | Akuw | how? |
| 17:43.57 | GNU\colossus | does you openvpn configuration actually refer to a CA certificate? |
| 17:44.33 | trek00 | Akuw: which client? and do you have copied the right certificate from the server? |
| 17:44.45 | Akuw | yes |
| 17:46.06 | trek00 | which client do you use? |
| 17:46.24 | Akuw | openconnect |
| 17:47.38 | trek00 | try to: openssl verify certificate_file |
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| 17:58.58 | Akuw | what extension has that file |
| 17:59.16 | Akuw | is there /etc/ssl/ ? |
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| 18:00.30 | section1 | doy you have a ca from the server and a key and a crt file for your user ? |
| 18:00.52 | Akuw | i have 2 .pem files |
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| 18:02.24 | section1 | hum in my setup i use 3 files (ca cert and key) |
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| 18:03.52 | sney | ca&cert can be combined |
| 18:05.38 | section1 | ah maybe never see that setup |
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| 18:09.07 | Akuw | hummm |
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| 18:11.02 | section1 | Akuw, check the content files. |
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| 18:11.18 | Akuw | how and files |
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| 18:15.05 | section1 | your pem files |
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| 18:15.14 | trek00 | Akuw: openssl verify yourcert.pem |
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| 18:15.54 | Akuw | TRUSTED CERTIFICATE |
| 18:16.12 | section1 | and ask to your vpn admin..maybe you have certs files for a diferent vpn server or something like taht |
| 18:16.29 | Akuw | the instructions are that |
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| 18:25.45 | Akuw | i am trying this --> "sudo openconnect -c /etc/ssl/STC/VPN.pem -e 365 -m 1300 -p STC_Root_CA -s $(locate -r /vpnc-script$) -u ${USER,,} --authgroup=Slow vpn2.stc.com" |
| 18:26.11 | Akuw | trek00: "sudo openconnect -c /etc/ssl/STC/VPN.pem -e 365 -m 1300 -p STC_Root_CA -s $(locate -r /vpnc-script$) -u ${USER,,} --authgroup=Slow vpn2.stc.com" |
| 18:26.43 | Akuw | but why this --> "-u ${USER,,}" in that line |
| 18:26.49 | trek00 | i really don't know |
| 18:27.12 | Akuw | i have to substitute ${USER,,} ? |
| 18:27.15 | trek00 | Akuw: it seems an error to me |
| 18:27.32 | Akuw | with user name, else the command show options no connect |
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| 18:30.01 | trek00 | Akuw: it seems -p sets a password.. https://www.infradead.org/openconnect/manual.html |
| 18:31.52 | Akuw | i used -p and password |
| 18:31.55 | Akuw | now i am getting |
| 18:32.00 | Akuw | Failed to decrypt PKCS#12 certificate file Enter PKCS#12 pass phrase: |
| 18:32.17 | trek00 | Akuw: well, you pasted your password here! |
| 18:32.39 | Akuw | no |
| 18:32.42 | Akuw | i changed |
| 18:32.58 | Akuw | so what is requesting that ? |
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| 18:35.06 | trek00 | Akuw: this command line seems a little weird to me, but i never used openconnect so i can't really help, it seems your certificate (.pem) is not right to connect to this vpn, may be you need to connect to another server o another authgroup, you really need to ask to the vpn adminitrator |
| 18:35.49 | trek00 | Akuw: may be you should set your username instead of ${USER}? not the local username, but vpn username |
| 18:36.29 | Akuw | trak00: i used -p and this request Enter PKCS#12 pass phrase: |
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| 18:37.37 | Akuw | Client certificate has expired at: Fri, 24 May 2019 10:52:11 GMT |
| 18:39.17 | trek00 | Akuw: this is not really good :) |
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| 18:39.48 | Akuw | that is the problem then |
| 18:41.27 | trek00 | it's possible |
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| 19:33.41 | Whyvn | would anyone know how I can set my default systems llvm version? llvm-config --version shows 7.0.1, but I want to set 10 as the default |
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| 19:35.04 | trek00 | Whyvn: debian stable comes off only with 7.0 |
| 19:35.36 | kreyren | What is the proper way to set debian in such a way that would allow non-root to use apt? |
| 19:36.00 | trek00 | kreyren: sudo |
| 19:36.26 | kreyren | trek00, Sudo is not an option (non-root is not expected to have full access) |
| 19:36.38 | trek00 | kreyren: MYUSERNAME ALL = NOPASSWD: /path/to/my/program |
| 19:37.14 | kreyren | in sudoers? Still not ideal solution assuming that we want non-root to feel like root |
| 19:37.32 | sney | you can alias apt-get='sudo apt-get' for that user |
| 19:37.38 | trek00 | kreyren: there is no way to install, executing scripts as root, then |
| 19:37.55 | kreyren | what about setting a group permission or something alike? |
| 19:38.00 | kreyren | which seems saner to me |
| 19:38.03 | trek00 | kreyren: so you need to allow users to run only apt as root |
| 19:38.59 | Whyvn | trek00: even if I have other versions installed I cannot switch to them? |
| 19:39.31 | trek00 | kreyren: myusername ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt |
| 19:40.08 | trek00 | Whyvn: you can set PATH to search the llvm-10 directory at first |
| 19:40.11 | kreyren | trek00, https://askubuntu.com/questions/339/how-can-i-install-a-package-without-root-access this seems saner to me so that it would install the packages in HOME? |
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| 19:40.54 | trek00 | kreyren: which one? |
| 19:41.02 | kreyren | any on demand ideally |
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| 19:41.12 | kreyren | assuming that this is running inside a docke |
| 19:41.14 | kreyren | *docker |
| 19:41.47 | trek00 | kreyren: you can manually download as user, as said in this link |
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| 19:42.42 | kreyren | note that upstream is concerned about giving root to end-users due to the docker sanitization (no security checklist etc.. and the security on docker seems quiestionable if users are allowed to use root) |
| 19:44.05 | kreyren | trek00, So making some wrapper? (me wants to ideally configure apt to run on non-root without the wrapper) |
| 19:44.22 | trek00 | kryten: you can use dpkg to unpack any package |
| 19:45.31 | trek00 | may be i'm not understanding your issue |
| 19:45.47 | luna_ | 1 |
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| 19:48.10 | trek00 | kreyren: if there is no root user and your normal user have the permissions to modify all the filesystem, there is no need to run apt as root |
| 19:49.50 | kreyren | trek00, that results in http://dpaste.com/1ED4CVV where /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend is owned by root -> Make a new group for apt users? |
| 19:51.14 | trek00 | kreyren: even if you fix that, this is only the first issue you will encounter, after unpack it needs to modify /var/lib/dpkg and apt directories and then the /usr directory and then run scripts to setup the package... |
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| 19:51.37 | kreyren | So make a group that allows access in these? |
| 19:51.40 | kreyren | sane? |
| 19:52.12 | trek00 | kreyren: i would no call sane, but may be, it reallydepends by your setup and security needs, there are many users on that docker instance? |
| 19:52.40 | kreyren | trek00, a lot of users this is https://github.com/gitpod-io/workspace-images/pull/204 for https://www.gitpod.io/ |
| 19:53.07 | trek00 | kreyren: how many uids on this docker image? |
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| 19:54.33 | kreyren | trek00, http://dpaste.com/0R9SF4Q |
| 19:54.45 | kreyren | This is built from debian:stable |
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| 19:55.28 | trek00 | kreyren: so no user, only system users, which one call your app? |
| 19:55.34 | Akuw | i am trying to recover linux password using -e grub option |
| 19:55.40 | kreyren | gitpod user and group calls apt |
| 19:55.54 | Akuw | but the "=" key is not working |
| 19:56.27 | trek00 | kreyren: well if gitpod is the only user, i think you could just chown gitpod the whole docker filesystem |
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| 19:57.04 | trek00 | kreyren: but it's not guaranteed to work |
| 19:57.29 | kreyren | trek00, there is a close-source layer that prevents these kinds of changes |
| 19:57.39 | kreyren | that is appended to dockerfile |
| 19:58.04 | trek00 | kreyren: well there is no sane way as far as i know |
| 19:58.14 | trek00 | kreyren: just try one which works |
| 19:58.26 | kreyren | why is setting group permission not sane? |
| 19:58.59 | trek00 | kreyren: it's ok if it works |
| 19:59.06 | kreyren | ok trying |
| 19:59.19 | trek00 | kreyren: but apt is not designed to work in that way |
| 19:59.52 | trek00 | kreyren: it is designed with the privileged and not privileged users separation in mind |
| 20:00.23 | kreyren | i want to give the privileges on demand so it should be fine? |
| 20:00.29 | trek00 | kreyren: you are just removing this separation, so there is no more a security fence |
| 20:00.43 | cybercrypto | Hi all, is there other option to disable kernel ratelimit for journald messages? I did manage to fully disabled it by using booting kernel parameters. /etc/systemd/journald.conf is user space related. |
| 20:01.49 | trek00 | cybercrypto: i don't think there is a rate limiting on log messages done by the kernel |
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| 20:02.48 | trek00 | cybercrypto: it's a journald thing |
| 20:06.31 | jhutchins | 10:40 < rue_mohr> so, your in NY and the internet goes down, all your cloud services dont work |
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| 20:06.58 | jhutchins | Well that's odd. |
| 20:07.40 | cybercrypto | trek00: I believe that ratelimit is not applied by userspace but by the kernel. |
| 20:08.32 | trek00 | cybercrypto: which parameters you set? |
| 20:09.01 | dashs | pam-systemd.so does not seem to be running at start of remote session on a newly installed Deb 10. Any possible hints? |
| 20:09.53 | Akuw | how can i configure my debian 10 console to use spanish keyboard ? |
| 20:10.27 | cybercrypto | trek00: /proc/sys/kernel/printk* are the group I am refering to. I have set the printk.devkmsg manually during boot and no ratelimit applied at all. |
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| 20:11.08 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.28 | trek00 | cybercrypto: well just put it on your grub config |
| 20:12.07 | trek00 | Akuw: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 20:12.29 | Akuw | trek00: but for spanish ? |
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| 20:13.44 | trek00 | Akuw: yeah |
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| 20:14.17 | Akuw | i mean, first keyboard model |
| 20:14.18 | trek00 | dashs: i should be called by /etc/pam.d/sshd via common-session |
| 20:14.21 | cybercrypto | trek00: thats what i did, and it is working when i set (via grub or even on the fly grub-edit command). My original question is: do you know other option besides booting parameters? |
| 20:14.22 | Akuw | but what model |
| 20:14.32 | Akuw | generic one |
| 20:14.54 | trek00 | cybercrypto: you want to modify it after boot? |
| 20:15.05 | trek00 | Akuw: it depends by your keyboard |
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| 20:15.41 | Akuw | its a T420 Thinkpad |
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| 20:16.46 | trek00 | Akuw: sorry i don't know |
| 20:17.00 | kreyren | trek00, does not seem to work http://dpaste.com/36QT44P |
| 20:17.03 | cybercrypto | jhutchins: I want to disable ratelimit for journald, so I can troubleshoot the system with full log messages enabled (zero log suppressed). I manage to do that by using botting parameters. I am asking help here, if there are (or not) better ways of doing that. |
| 20:17.05 | kreyren | trying to set /var/lib/dpkg now |
| 20:17.52 | trek00 | kreyren: it needs write permissions too |
| 20:18.13 | jhutchins | cybercrypto: What are you trying to troubleshoot? What kind of messages are being limited? |
| 20:19.11 | kreyren | trek00, `chmod g+rwx` sufficient? |
| 20:19.37 | cybercrypto | jhutchins: ratelimit suppress messages and does not tell you 'what kind of message was suppressed' Thats the point of disabling ratelimit, so I can read every single message. |
| 20:20.12 | kreyren | `chmod -R g+rwx /var/lib/dpkg` i assume |
| 20:20.37 | trek00 | kreyren: chmod g+w on /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend but then you will discover there are many files/directories to allow permission |
| 20:21.21 | kreyren | noted |
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| 20:21.28 | badsektr | hello |
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| 20:21.44 | trek00 | cybercrypto: if you want to modify a kernel parameter before it boots, there is no other way apart what you already done |
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| 20:22.32 | badsektr | i just installed debian from netinstall with GNOME, and now when i boot and when it is trying to start gdm and the graphic desktop, it just flicks a blank dark screen |
| 20:22.43 | cybercrypto | trek00: thanks. |
| 20:22.43 | jhutchins | cybercrypto: It would seem that the rate limiting is a symptom of whatever the real problem is. You could check the syslogs instead of the journal. |
| 20:22.47 | badsektr | i changed to another tty to get on here |
| 20:22.59 | jhutchins | cybercrypto: If kernel parameters do the job though, why thrash? |
| 20:23.02 | sney | badsektr: you are probably missing video driver components. radeon? |
| 20:23.23 | badsektr | sney, no it is nvidia gtx 1650 |
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| 20:24.00 | badsektr | sney, how install propriety drivers? |
| 20:24.09 | sney | !non-free sources |
| 20:24.09 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 20:24.14 | cybercrypto | jhutchins: Nope. My goal is to disable ratelimit, and I manage to did it. I was wondering if there better ways of doing it (and with help of trek I discovered that there is none). |
| 20:24.24 | trek00 | !nvidia |
| 20:24.24 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:24.25 | sney | do this, then 'apt install linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver' |
| 20:24.37 | badsektr | thank you sney :) |
| 20:24.40 | sney | we surely don't need to spam dpkg factoids when I'm obviously in the middle of explaining it |
| 20:25.31 | sney | badsektr: np, let us know if you have any more questions |
| 20:26.06 | badsektr | sney, nvidia doesn't show up, do i need to turn something for propriety? |
| 20:26.20 | sney | badsektr: you need to enable non-free sources |
| 20:26.26 | joepublic | see, the dpkg factoids didn't even help all that much |
| 20:27.03 | sney | they're helpful when used in moderation, but they can clutter things |
| 20:27.28 | sney | !tell badsektr -about non-free sources |
| 20:27.35 | trek00 | the wiki page is helpful |
| 20:31.14 | badsektr | thanks sney now i got it to install |
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| 20:47.56 | fred | sney: thank you my problem is solved, i got in GNOME |
| 20:48.24 | sney | np |
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| 21:00.31 | chakpapa | Hi. What is the difference between the Debian Netinst and the Debian Live (Standard) ISOs? |
| 21:01.19 | sney | Live has a debian environment that you can test. netinst is just an installer. |
| 21:01.47 | sney | if you use either one to install debian, the resulting system is the same |
| 21:02.30 | kreyren | How should i fix this? https://i.imgur.com/0KeADN9.png |
| 21:02.40 | kreyren | wait |
| 21:02.41 | kreyren | my fault |
| 21:02.48 | chakpapa | sney: I understand that. So basically the Debian (Standard) ISO is similar to the arch's CLI live ISO I suppose |
| 21:03.09 | sney | chakpapa: I haven't used arch's, but from the name that sounds right |
| 21:03.16 | chakpapa | yup |
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| 21:06.44 | cybercrypto | chakpapa: you mean archlinux? netinstall is the minimum ISO avaible for you to install (tou can compare to archlinux iso... it is similar) Debian netinstall lets you perform a full install but you must have internet access for that. Debian DVD and CD images will give you a complete system installed even if you have no internet access at the target host. |
| 21:07.26 | chakpapa | Got it |
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| 21:13.58 | mbnt | Hi, I am trying to install debian on a laptop and get a nice, clear, initial screen, but the subsequent install screen is completely scrambled. |
| 21:14.25 | mbnt | I went through several options, advanced and expert and all get the same scrambled screen |
| 21:15.00 | mbnt | Also added the vga parameter and same scrambled screen |
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| 21:16.58 | L0aD1nG | mbnt: what is the actual error? |
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| 21:17.15 | mbnt | L0aD1nG, You mean like an error number? |
| 21:17.52 | L0aD1nG | mbnt: what is the problem on installation on what step of installation?? do you use graphical install? |
| 21:18.05 | mbnt | I went through several options, advanced and expert and all get the same scrambled screen |
| 21:18.21 | mbnt | Hi, I am trying to install debian on a laptop and get a nice, clear, initial screen, but the subsequent install screen is completely scrambled. |
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| 21:18.37 | mbnt | L0aD1nG, Got it now? |
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| 21:19.55 | L0aD1nG | what do you mean by scrambled screen? thats what i dont get.. |
| 21:19.59 | trek00 | well it seems syslinux is working but not linux |
| 21:20.09 | mbnt | L0aD1nG, A screen that is scrambled |
| 21:20.27 | trek00 | mbnt: which video card do you have? |
| 21:20.48 | mbnt | trek00, AMD graphics, it is a bout a decade old |
| 21:20.53 | mbnt | hold on a sec |
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| 21:22.50 | mbnt | trek00, AMD A10-5750 APU HD graphics |
| 21:23.09 | mbnt | trek00, AMD A10-5750M APU HD graphics |
| 21:23.15 | trek00 | mbnt: have you tried non graphical install? |
| 21:23.34 | mbnt | trek00, yeah, same result |
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| 21:24.08 | trek00 | mbnt: which monitor cable? old VGA or hdmi? |
| 21:24.20 | mbnt | trek00, hdmi |
| 21:26.11 | mbnt | mbnt, Could be an install bug unique to the hardware. I am able to install other linux distros. |
| 21:26.22 | trek00 | mbnt: well it should work fine |
| 21:26.23 | dvs | I'd try a firmware install to see if that makes the screen better. |
| 21:26.24 | mbnt | trek00, Could be an install bug unique to the hardware. I am able to install other linux distros. |
| 21:26.53 | mbnt | dvs, Please elaborate. |
| 21:27.08 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 21:27.08 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:27.41 | mbnt | dvs, That is a post install thing---I want to get to first base |
| 21:28.10 | mbnt | dvs, Just do a basic install |
| 21:28.44 | dvs | mbnt, no that's an installation image which includes firmware (which includes firmware for graphics cards) |
| 21:28.46 | mbnt | dvs, Then I can bring in the amd-firmware-graphics thing |
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| 21:29.03 | mbnt | dvs, Can I install that without the Debian OS? |
| 21:29.29 | trek00 | mbnt: you could try adding the fb=false kernel parameter |
| 21:30.01 | mbnt | trek00, Okie, I will try that. |
| 21:30.08 | kreyren | So i set ownership of /var/lib/{dpkg,apt} and /var/chache/apt on root:apt with group write and it's trying to make a new files in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ with root:root -> How do i make it to make root:apt ? |
| 21:30.09 | dvs | mbnt, ??? you can add the firmware after the install but those ISOs install the firmware before doing the install |
| 21:30.35 | mbnt | dvs, So it is possible to install debina porgrams without debian? |
| 21:30.39 | mbnt | debian |
| 21:30.56 | trek00 | mbnt: see https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch05s03.en.html#installer-args |
| 21:31.03 | trek00 | mbnt: vga=normal fb=false |
| 21:31.38 | dvs | mbnt, no, you can install them AFTER Debian is installed or install the DURING the install, but not before. |
| 21:31.41 | mbnt | trek00, Thanks, will do. |
| 21:32.06 | mbnt | dvs, There's the rub |
| 21:32.20 | dvs | What's the problem? |
| 21:32.43 | mbnt | dvs, Scroll up. But I think trek00 has it. |
| 21:33.17 | dvs | mbnt, adding that parameter I consider during the install |
| 21:33.59 | mbnt | The initial screen is clear, subsequent screen is scrambled. So on that initial screen, I can add install parameters. |
| 21:34.18 | trek00 | kreyren: i think this is not the correct way, but you can chown root:apt /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ && chmod g+s /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ |
| 21:34.39 | dvs | mbnt, if you use the firmware ISO, the firmware is loaded even before the first screen. |
| 21:34.48 | kreyren | See https://i.imgur.com/6Bdgwzh.png |
| 21:34.56 | trek00 | dvs: the first screen is syslinux, no kernel loaded |
| 21:35.07 | dvs | ah, my mistake |
| 21:35.09 | mbnt | dvs, Can you please send me the link as to how to do that, please and thanks. |
| 21:35.13 | kreyren | trek00, tried that but /var/cache/apt/archives/partial does not seem to be available during the prebuild |
| 21:35.21 | kreyren | create it and then use it? |
| 21:35.34 | trek00 | kreyren: then chown && chmod on archives |
| 21:35.40 | dvs | mbnt, I already did |
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| 21:35.52 | dvs | !tell mbnt about- firmware iso |
| 21:36.06 | kreyren | trek00, can't do chown && chmod on archives assuming that end-users are expected to call `apt update` on demand where they don't have root |
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| 21:36.21 | dvs | !tell mbnt -about firmware iso |
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| 21:36.30 | trek00 | kreyren: on /var/cache/apt then |
| 21:37.07 | kreyren | trek00, that's already used |
| 21:37.33 | trek00 | kreyren: i think chown -R user:user / have same security and less glitches |
| 21:37.55 | kreyren | See https://gitpod.io/#https://github.com/gitpod-io/workspace-images/pull/204 if you have github account |
| 21:38.09 | trek00 | kreyren: you already do chmod g+s ? (not +w) |
| 21:38.17 | kreyren | chown -R user:user / is not an option (security layer overwrites it) |
| 21:38.36 | kreyren | why chmod g+s ? |
| 21:39.11 | trek00 | kreyren: so the files created under this directory gets the apt group |
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| 21:39.55 | trek00 | kreyren: but then it will be overwritten by the same "security layer" |
| 21:40.17 | kreyren | i can sanitize the security layer to allow specific workflow |
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| 21:40.51 | kreyren | where sanitizing whole root would be pita |
| 21:41.13 | kreyren | and not possible with the amount of resources that upstream provided for this contrib |
| 21:41.37 | trek00 | kreyren: when you will try to install a package, then you will need write permission on /bin /sbin /usr etc etc |
| 21:43.19 | kreyren | Proposed still does not work https://i.imgur.com/ePXINWc.png |
| 21:43.24 | kreyren | why permission on sbin ? |
| 21:43.35 | trek00 | kreyren: you will install packages? |
| 21:43.51 | kreyren | ideally yes |
| 21:43.59 | kreyren | and using apt update |
| 21:44.16 | trek00 | kreyren: if a package has content on /sbin it should have write permission to install on it |
| 21:44.20 | kreyren | ideally all apt features required for environment configuration |
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| 21:44.40 | kreyren | trek00, noted i think i can make a wrapper for that? |
| 21:44.58 | trek00 | kreyren: setting apt suid root is not an option i guess |
| 21:45.15 | kreyren | elaborate? |
| 21:45.51 | trek00 | kreyren: chmod u+s /usr/bin/apt |
| 21:46.41 | kreyren | Seems sane to me |
| 21:46.43 | kreyren | trying |
| 21:47.06 | trek00 | it's like sudo but without permission checks on the calling user |
| 21:49.00 | trek00 | kreyren: anyway it seems to me i'm not understanding what you want to achieve or you don't understand how package installation works |
| 21:49.11 | kreyren | Still same issue https://i.imgur.com/PqEqMpG.png |
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| 21:50.13 | kreyren | i don't know how to make it work for this workflow for example paludis has `paludisbuild` user which allows handling temporary directory and caches for compilation and the merge is performed by other user.. ideally i want something alike here as well |
| 21:50.32 | kreyren | *user and group |
| 21:50.59 | trek00 | kreyren: i really don't know |
| 21:51.24 | trek00 | kreyren: it's the strangest setup i ever seen |
| 21:51.44 | kreyren | abstract is to have apt functionality on non-root user |
| 21:52.01 | trek00 | kreyren: sorry i give up |
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| 21:53.35 | trek00 | kreyren: just to be sure what is the output of ls -l /usr/bin/apt ? |
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| 21:54.54 | kreyren | gitpod@ws-4f2e84e5-e054-429b-a3b8-fc40e2423993:/workspace/workspace-images$ ls -l /usr/bin/apt |
| 21:54.54 | kreyren | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 18520 May 28 2019 /usr/bin/apt |
| 21:55.20 | trek00 | kreyren: well it's righ, so it can't work probably |
| 21:55.35 | kreyren | i see |
| 21:55.52 | kreyren | Stubbing for now then, or any recommendations where to get the required info? |
| 21:55.57 | trek00 | kreyren: sudo apt install is still working? |
| 21:56.05 | kreyren | sudo not available |
| 21:57.04 | trek00 | kreyren: if root is not available at all, you can't install things on a filesystem owned by root without big headaches |
| 21:57.25 | kreyren | so installing the packages in home? |
| 21:58.21 | trek00 | kreyren: inside a chroot may be, but you can't because there is no root user |
| 21:58.36 | kreyren | or for example termux is using pkg wrapper for apt somehow |
| 21:59.01 | kreyren | What about inside custom FSH owned by non-root? |
| 21:59.39 | trek00 | kreyren: yes this could run fine, this should be similar to chown -R user:user / |
| 22:00.05 | kreyren | alike /home/something/bin /home/something/boot /home/something/dev /home/something/etc /home/something/home /home/something/lib /home/something/lib64 /home/something/media /home/something/mnt /home/something/opt /home/something/proc /home/something/root /home/something/run /home/something/sbin /home/something/srv /home/something/sys /home/something/theia /home/something/tmp /home/something/usr /home/something/var /home/something/workspac |
| 22:00.08 | trek00 | kreyren: but you need to set working directories for dpkg and apt |
| 22:00.24 | kreyren | how? |
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| 22:02.03 | trek00 | kreyren: setting apt options like Dpkg::Options::="--root=/home/user/newroot" |
| 22:02.22 | kreyren | i see |
| 22:02.34 | trek00 | kreyren: see man apt.conf |
| 22:02.43 | kreyren | checking |
| 22:03.25 | kreyren | will it create the expected directories or do i have to make them? |
| 22:04.14 | trek00 | kreyren: you should copy your root fs on that directory before to run apt |
| 22:04.27 | kreyren | noted |
| 22:04.52 | kreyren | So theory: Making fsh somewhere accesible to the non-root and then using /etc/apt configuration to work with it? |
| 22:05.11 | kreyren | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.19 | trek00 | kreyren: yeah see also apt-config dump |
| 22:05.29 | kreyren | noted |
| 22:05.50 | trek00 | kreyren: for example you should also set Dir "/home/user/something"; |
| 22:07.05 | trek00 | (apt and dpkg works in pair, but has different config options) |
| 22:07.13 | kreyren | noted |
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| 22:08.18 | trek00 | kreyren: see also deboostrap, may be it helps to create the initial filesystem on your /home/user/something |
| 22:08.51 | kreyren | noted checking |
| 22:12.16 | trek00 | kreyren: but you really need to run apt for that? or you just need to build a package? |
| 22:12.39 | kreyren | trek00, i need the end-user to have the ability to use apt for their development |
| 22:13.04 | trek00 | ok |
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| 22:13.49 | trek00 | kreyren: it seems to me fairly complicated, but i guess there are some motivations under this decision |
| 22:14.23 | kreyren | Yep this is implemented until upstream is confident in giving root to users |
| 22:14.46 | kreyren | assuming that i am user myself who is using gitpod for development and i want this functionality while i am rewriting their backend to support my expected distros |
| 22:15.19 | kreyren | and also other users wants to have it so i felt like being nice :p |
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| 22:15.51 | badsektr | why ubuntu has better fonts than debian? |
| 22:16.12 | allizom | badsektr: what's the actual issue? |
| 22:16.15 | kreyren | badsektr, change the fonts to whatever you like? |
| 22:16.37 | trek00 | kreyren: well it could work if your directory tree is owned by user and you set the correct config to apt and dpkg, but may be installations scripts inside packages will break |
| 22:16.48 | badsektr | like rendering, i changed some things based on what i read on a forum post online and it improved somewhat |
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| 22:17.36 | kreyren | trek00, that shoudn't be a concern i can make a custom downstream if neede |
| 22:17.38 | kreyren | *needed |
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| 22:18.50 | allizom | badsektr: you've got to be clearer than that |
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| 22:37.08 | icebp241 | im trying to make a ssh config file that will forward all ports on a speciifc network/ip address to a host. how can i go about this? |
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| 22:39.06 | somiaj | icebp241: why not due this with a firewall (nftables) |
| 22:39.42 | somiaj | icebp241: or are you trying to setup an ssh tunnel? |
| 22:39.50 | icebp241 | somiaj was planning on using this as a socks proxy for various webservers running on different ports |
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| 22:57.48 | icebp241 | + |
| 22:57.53 | icebp241 | any advice? |
| 22:58.19 | kreyren | How can i specify different /etc/apt for apt ? |
| 22:58.24 | kreyren | can't find it in docs |
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| 22:59.31 | trek00 | kreyren: with -c or APT_CONFIG environment variable (see man apt-get for that) |
| 23:00.01 | kreyren | trek00, that seems to point to apt.conf i want to use the whole directory |
| 23:00.28 | trek00 | kreyren: it should be Dir::Etc |
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| 23:01.49 | trek00 | icebp241: may be this help? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9146457/ssh-port-forwarding-in-a-ssh-config-file/9146502#9146502 |
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| 23:02.48 | icebp241 | trek00 sort of, thats a specfic port. i was hoping to do all |
| 23:02.51 | somiaj | icebp241: sounds like you want an ssh tunnel, you should be able to google how to set that up. Though socks should already be secure, unsrue why you need ssh + socks |
| 23:03.15 | icebp241 | somiaj cant a ssh tunnel be used as a socks proxy? |
| 23:03.20 | icebp241 | im confused by that part |
| 23:04.09 | kreyren | trek00, that seems to work thanks ^-^ |
| 23:04.50 | somiaj | icebp241: it can be, but ssh tunnel can only goto a single host, a proxy should be able to do multiple hosts |
| 23:05.02 | trek00 | kreyren: :) |
| 23:05.10 | icebp241 | somiaj single host, multiple ports |
| 23:05.16 | somiaj | icebp241: Still unsure why ssh fits your use case best, but look up ssh tunnel, (note to use an ssh tunell people have to have an account on that system) |
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| 23:05.37 | somiaj | icebp241: you will still need one tunnel per port I belive (I've only done this once or twice years ago) |
| 23:05.42 | kreyren | Seems that apt-get ... install debootstrap does not know how to handle missing /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend https://i.imgur.com/2BvuZYa.png |
| 23:05.44 | kreyren | any recommendation? |
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| 23:07.08 | trek00 | kreyren: debootstrap should be installed outside your rootfs copy, it will create a rootfs for you |
| 23:07.36 | kreyren | trek00, it should be making it in specified dir no? |
| 23:08.41 | trek00 | kreyren: you should install debootstrap on your system, then call deboostrap to create your /home/user/copy and the you can use apt on that /home/user/copy |
| 23:08.55 | kreyren | i see trying |
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| 23:12.24 | karlpinc | icebp241: Although you will need a tunnel per-port, you can do mutiple tunnels in a single ssh connection. |
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| 23:13.29 | icebp241 | karlpinc im a little confused by that. do you mean in my ssh config i could have multiple lines like this: |
| 23:13.30 | icebp241 | LocalForward 4000 localhost:4000 |
| 23:13.31 | kreyren | trek00, currently supported variants: buildd, fakechroot, minbase -- I assume i want minbase for this usecase? |
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| 23:14.02 | icebp241 | karlpinc i was just hoping i wouldnt have to specifiy a bunch |
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| 23:14.16 | trek00 | kreyren: i don't remember to have used any variant |
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| 23:14.31 | kreyren | noted |
| 23:14.52 | kreyren | trek00, `debootstrap --arch=amd64 --cache-dir="$HOME/.cache/apt" targetdir` like this? |
| 23:15.04 | trek00 | yes |
| 23:15.47 | karlpinc | icebp241: Yes. Multiple LocalForwards. |
| 23:16.06 | trek00 | kreyren: debootstrap --arch amd64 buster targetdir http://deb.debian.org/debian |
| 23:16.07 | karlpinc | icebp241: It's either that or a full vpn, like openvpn/whatever. |
| 23:16.36 | karlpinc | icebp241: Depends on what you're doing. ssh tunnels are easy. |
| 23:17.10 | kreyren | trek00, noted |
| 23:17.59 | icebp241 | karlpinc alright, i can live with multiple LocalForward lines. do you happen to know what a firefox proxy script would look like? |
| 23:18.28 | icebp241 | karlpinc my ssh config would start the tunnel and do several LocalForwards, I want firefox to use that host as a socks proxy for a ip range |
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| 23:19.21 | kreyren | trek00, seems to fail http://dpaste.com/35YRGK7.txt |
| 23:19.26 | kreyren | E: Cannot install into target '/home/gitpod/makeshift' mounted with noexec or nodev |
| 23:19.51 | trek00 | kreyren: yeah it can't work |
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| 23:20.05 | kreyren | > Mounting required? |
| 23:20.14 | kreyren | doesn't have mount.. |
| 23:20.18 | somiaj | icebp241: Why are you wanting ssh for this? Would using nginx as an ssl proxy work? |
| 23:20.18 | trek00 | kreyren: you need to remove noexec at least |
| 23:20.31 | karlpinc | icebp241: No. I decided long ago that SOCKS was clunky. And now I've forgotten all the details so I don't know how to substitute for SOCKS. But there's a possiblity that a, say, nginx proxy might be useful to you. |
| 23:20.38 | trek00 | kreyren: or put it on another mount |
| 23:20.54 | kreyren | trek00, this is docker environment so i dont have any other disks available |
| 23:20.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: :) |
| 23:21.03 | icebp241 | somiaj host is already on network and configured. really dont want to stand up a new service or anything |
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| 23:21.18 | icebp241 | karlpinc gotcha. i had a file years ago that did exactly this but cant remember enough to search for it |
| 23:21.20 | icebp241 | thanks |
| 23:21.39 | nlpqda | OMG fonts on debian browsers are ******** ugly, I did all google tricks trying to change them but nothing is works. are there any known not opensource from MS or anything that could be installed and improve the situation on my debian box? getting blind here! |
| 23:21.47 | trek00 | kreyren: create a directory on the rootfs owned by your user, may be it runs, but those "security protections" are not made for a system like that |
| 23:22.24 | trek00 | kreyren: it's like solving an academic test just for fun without any real advantage |
| 23:22.41 | karlpinc | nlpqda: The ("libre...", IIRC?) fonts are bit-for-bit compatible with the MS fonts. And they are usually installed. (I think?) So that's probably not your problem. |
| 23:22.43 | kreyren | trek00, assuming it fits abstract i find it worth it |
| 23:22.51 | sney | nlpqda: 'apt list fonts-*' to see what's available, but you might be having a text rendering issue if it's as bad as you say |
| 23:23.12 | trek00 | nlpqda: may be you need to enable font aliasing and sub-pixel rendering in your desktop settings |
| 23:23.46 | trek00 | kreyren: you need apt only to install your single package? |
| 23:23.56 | kreyren | trek00, X amount of packages |
| 23:24.17 | trek00 | kreyren: you need to build your own way, apt was not made for it |
| 23:24.45 | trek00 | kreyren: you are trying to put a circle inside a triangle |
| 23:25.02 | kreyren | i have my solutions already: https://github.com/RXT0112/Zernit/ https://github.com/kreyrock but i need apt to work this way too |
| 23:25.07 | kreyren | since that's also an option for end-users |
| 23:25.33 | trek00 | kreyren: sorry i really can't help |
| 23:25.44 | nlpqda | sney: apt anything* gives me goosebumps , trek00 I believe I've done that already but will double check it. |
| 23:25.51 | kreyren | thanks for info |
| 23:25.56 | nlpqda | karlpinc: main problem is the browsers |
| 23:26.22 | nlpqda | I'm not complaining much about gui or terminal fonts |
| 23:26.47 | sney | most likely not a font problem then |
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| 23:27.04 | trek00 | i agree |
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| 23:28.23 | kreyren | How can i disable these fail saves? https://i.imgur.com/5U9VXJQ.png |
| 23:28.26 | kreyren | *fail safes |
| 23:29.20 | kreyren | maybe using fakeroot? |
| 23:29.38 | nlpqda | sney: I wish I can show you but I'm sure Arabic language font won't make any sense to you. it looks so so ugly on the web specially for someone very particural about it like myself |
| 23:30.29 | nlpqda | in the past it was possible to fix it from firefox preferences > general > language |
| 23:30.48 | nlpqda | I've done it twice but it's not functional anymore |
| 23:32.15 | nlpqda | I think left with the unthinkable now 'apt list fonts-*' |
| 23:32.34 | sney | all that command will do is give you a list of font packages that you could install |
| 23:32.34 | kreyren | solved it by parsing --make-tarball=file apparently |
| 23:32.39 | karlpinc | !arabic |
| 23:32.39 | dpkg | Ù
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باÙÙغة اÙعربÙØ© ÙتÙزÙعة دبÙا٠جÙÙ\ÙÙÙÙÙس , اÙرجاء اÙتÙج٠اÙÙ ÙÙاة ##debian-ar |
| 23:32.53 | karlpinc | nlpqda: Maybe try there ^? |
| 23:33.14 | sney | though I guess if it's an arabic text display issue, it could be fixed by a font. |
| 23:33.19 | sney | there are also pango issues sometimes |
| 23:34.53 | nlpqda | karlpinc: linux terminal(S) don't show RTF alphabets correctly so I'm not sure what that is :D |
| 23:35.11 | nlpqda | sney: what is "pango" |
| 23:35.31 | sney | it is a text rendering library. |
| 23:35.39 | nlpqda | oh debian-ar |
| 23:35.45 | nlpqda | ok I've just noticed |
| 23:36.07 | karlpinc | nlpqda: Don't forget the double #. |
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| 23:37.21 | nlpqda | karlpinc: same difference ... just a sleeping channel there |
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| 23:38.00 | sney | could you post a screenshot somewhere? even if we can't read it, the artifacts should be visible, right? |
| 23:39.05 | kreyren | more info to why is this failing? http://dpaste.com/2H3XG5E.txt |
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| 23:40.04 | nlpqda | off you go Sney https://imgur.com/a/QwTRU2C |
| 23:43.16 | sney | would you say the text is too blurry? |
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| 23:48.26 | nlpqda | sney: a 5 year old child would have a better handwriting than the font which you're seeing .. it's literally a punch in the eye. |
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| 23:49.45 | sney | that doesn't give me any more information |
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| 23:59.01 | nlpqda | I think this package will solve the issue ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 23:59.37 | nlpqda | sney: are you asking some more information? I didn't get that |
