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| 00:04.00 | Orxata_ | Hello, is there any incompatibility between Wayland and dwm? |
| 00:06.13 | jvava | tek00: thanks |
| 00:06.27 | jvava | trek00: thanks |
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| 00:07.23 | Orxata_ | If I choose dwm from the display manager (gdm3) does it start the Xorg server or it tries to start it with Wayland? |
| 00:08.22 | Orxata_ | s/Xorg/X11 |
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| 00:31.26 | ratrace | Orphis: X11 . Wayland programs need to be compositor, as Wayland is just a protocol, not a daemon or something like xorg |
| 00:31.46 | ratrace | eh... that was for someone else, who left.... |
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| 00:48.39 | boubou | hi huys |
| 00:48.59 | boubou | anyone can tell why should I use Ubuntu server over Debian ? |
| 00:49.09 | boubou | is it only a preferences ? |
| 00:49.35 | joepublic | You'd have to ask the Ubuntu folks about that, I would think. |
| 00:50.07 | sney | it almost always comes down to personal preference. |
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| 00:52.18 | joepublic | The folks here are generally the ones who can tell you reasons they use Debian. |
| 00:59.41 | boubou | why should I use Debian over ubuntu server then ? :P |
| 01:00.53 | trui | some people like the official paid support that ubuntu offers, boubou. there's a long term support project for debian, but that extends support to only 5 years |
| 01:01.01 | trui | while ubuntu offers 10 |
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| 01:01.55 | trui | one reason to use debian is that it's more easily upgradable than some distros |
| 01:01.56 | boubou | thx |
| 01:01.58 | sney | what are you hosting? what are your requirements? is it just for you or do you need to be accountable to some corporate suits? there are a lot of factors and I don't think there's a universal anser |
| 01:02.30 | trui | you can often upgrade in place from debian 9 to 10 for example with no issues |
| 01:02.45 | trui | while ubuntu recommends a fresh install |
| 01:03.16 | trui | since ubuntu isn't as stable in that regard for some reason |
| 01:03.40 | sney | some ubuntu releases have had a do-release-upgrade special duct tape command for facilitating that, but I've never tried it in prod |
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| 01:05.32 | trui | i've heard of people upgrading from really old debian versions up to buster, all without doing a clean install. 4-5 then 5-6, 6-7, etc |
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| 01:06.37 | trui | that might not be important for you, but keeping your server on the same version for 5-10 years might also not be important for you |
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| 01:21.35 | Rozha | hallo |
| 01:22.23 | dvs | yo |
| 01:22.31 | trui | hoi |
| 01:22.54 | Rozha | need some help |
| 01:23.13 | Rozha | i install last debian |
| 01:23.54 | boubou | easy like 123 |
| 01:23.59 | boubou | or abcd |
| 01:24.23 | Rozha | and when it installed restar, and it shwosh only upper left corner _ |
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| 01:24.48 | annadane | Rozha, what did you use to copy the image? |
| 01:24.58 | Rozha | doesnot start |
| 01:25.30 | Rozha | i try rufus for windows |
| 01:25.41 | Rozha | and utraiso |
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| 01:26.00 | annadane | okay, with rufus it needs to be copied in dd mode |
| 01:26.05 | annadane | if you didn't do that it's probably corrupt |
| 01:26.18 | Rozha | how to make it ? |
| 01:26.20 | sponix | some have luck with "woeusb" but from the terminal only. The GUI is like broken |
| 01:26.39 | Rozha | now i have only windows |
| 01:27.14 | dvs | !win23diskimager |
| 01:27.18 | Rozha | i want install only sshd service and web |
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| 01:27.34 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 01:27.34 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show Debian .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 01:28.06 | annadane | rufus in dd mode works too but it's probably safer to use win32diskimager anyway in case of user error |
| 01:28.21 | Rozha | but utlraiso ? |
| 01:28.34 | annadane | don't know |
| 01:28.51 | annadane | anyway, i'll leave it up to others to diagnose in a more detailed way, may not be a corrupt installer |
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| 01:29.17 | Rozha | read only or not > |
| 01:29.50 | annadane | i've never used ultraiso or heart of it |
| 01:30.19 | annadane | heard* |
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| 01:30.34 | Rozha | i mean win32 |
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| 01:32.33 | Rozha | annadane u here |
| 01:32.43 | annadane | i don't know the answer to your question |
| 01:33.04 | Rozha | to make boot usb from win32 |
| 01:33.15 | Rozha | i need put mark for read only |
| 01:33.27 | annadane | as i said, i don't know, wait and see if someone else answers |
| 01:33.35 | sney | Rozha: the debian iso is already a usb image. if you are using a program that modifies the image for usb, it will probably break. please use win32diskimager and write the file directly to usb. |
| 01:35.33 | Rozha | win32 dowsnot see iso |
| 01:36.13 | sney | you have to use the drop down for all files |
| 01:36.20 | sney | or you can rename the iso to img |
| 01:36.23 | trui | wouldn't windows 10's disc burning tools also work? |
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| 01:36.36 | trui | *tool |
| 01:36.53 | dvs | not to a USB drive |
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| 01:37.30 | Rozha | dvs i not have cd-rom |
| 01:38.35 | sney | Rozha: don't worry about them, just use win32diskimager like I said |
| 01:38.55 | Rozha | sney it progres |
| 01:39.09 | sney | ok, let us know if you have more questions |
| 01:39.21 | Rozha | okey thanks you |
| 01:40.34 | annadane | you just said "win32diskimager doesn't see the iso" though :P |
| 01:40.37 | annadane | i guess you got that resolved |
| 01:41.05 | sney | I gave two options for dealing with that, one of them must have done it |
| 01:43.54 | annadane | fair enough |
| 01:44.02 | annadane | yeah i see now |
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| 01:47.32 | Rozha | Sneat NOW IT ASK ME CD-ROM :) |
| 01:47.41 | Rozha | sney :) |
| 01:48.01 | sney | you're smiling so I assume it worked |
| 01:48.19 | Rozha | not it ask me where is cd-dom :_ |
| 01:48.32 | Rozha | not going next step |
| 01:49.03 | sney | what iso did you use? |
| 01:49.36 | Rozha | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/arm64/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:49.42 | dvs | arm? |
| 01:49.50 | Rozha | amd ) |
| 01:49.53 | Rozha | srry |
| 01:50.23 | Rozha | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/ 1 dvd disk |
| 01:51.45 | Rozha | not that > |
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| 01:52.59 | Rozha | dvs ? |
| 01:55.14 | sney | that should have worked. are you sure the write was finished? did you safely remove the usb drive? |
| 01:55.28 | Rozha | yes |
| 01:56.12 | sney | well, try it again |
| 01:57.10 | Rozha | and will ask me agai cd-rom :) |
| 01:57.28 | dvs | I'd rather use this non-edu image but that's just me: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:58.31 | Rozha | dvs but i have problem whit iptables and other soft /user/sbin/iptables only run |
| 01:58.37 | Rozha | not iptables |
| 01:59.07 | Rozha | i run all from /usr/sbin |
| 01:59.34 | Rozha | sudo /usr/sbin iptables -A .... |
| 01:59.47 | Rozha | not sudo iptables cannt foutn |
| 02:00.31 | sney | !buster su |
| 02:00.31 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
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| 02:02.23 | Rozha | dpgd from root i try also :( |
| 02:03.17 | sney | then root's PATH is messed up somehow |
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| 02:03.55 | Rozha | sney u meen install add sudo user make path and it will work ? |
| 02:05.34 | sney | I mean fix /etc/profile so root's PATH has /sbin and /usr/sbin as it should |
| 02:07.12 | Rozha | how made it at debian |
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| 02:10.40 | n-iCe | Hello guys, I notices that when I shutdown my laptop and turn it on again, it relaunches my last terminal windows, browser, apps etc |
| 02:10.44 | n-iCe | how can I stop this? |
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| 02:14.34 | n-iCe | noticed |
| 02:16.11 | kreyren | How do i output the changed files that package installation is going to do? |
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| 02:17.03 | ens | wtf. I removed apt from my system |
| 02:17.06 | ens | using apt-get remove apt |
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| 02:17.21 | ens | and the directory still exists: /var/lib# du -hs * |
| 02:17.21 | ens | 27Mapt |
| 02:17.34 | ens | 27mb of junk. Why is this not removed? Should I raise a ticket? |
| 02:19.03 | dvs | !info apt |
| 02:19.10 | ens | nd also /var/cache/apt taking up tons of cache |
| 02:19.25 | sney | you can't be serious. |
| 02:19.44 | dpkg | apt: (commandline package manager), section admin, is required. Version: 2.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1433 kB, Installed size: 4146 kB |
| 02:19.58 | dvs | yeah, it's a required package |
| 02:20.37 | ens | i'm trying to make a rootfs for an embedded system using debootstrap |
| 02:20.53 | ens | and i've finished installing all the packages i need |
| 02:21.01 | sney | if you don't want to use apt then why are you even using debian? |
| 02:21.02 | ens | so i just want to remove apt and all it's stuff |
| 02:21.10 | ens | because apt rocks |
| 02:21.16 | ens | but i don't need it anymore |
| 02:21.19 | sney | but more to the point, you could probably have /var on a ramdisk if space is at a premium |
| 02:21.55 | ens | oh don't worry. the entire rootfs is going to be compressed as a .tgz and mounted via a statically compiled archivemount via fuse, with the tgz itself existing in a tmpfs in ram |
| 02:22.12 | ens | yolo |
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| 02:23.17 | sney | well, the package that is still doing something in /var/lib/apt and /var/cache/apt is libapt-pkg6.0 |
| 02:23.28 | sney | , probablty |
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| 02:57.32 | n-iCe | Hello guys, I notices that when I shutdown my laptop and turn it on again, it relaunches my last terminal windows, browser, apps etc |
| 02:57.35 | n-iCe | how can I stop this? |
| 02:57.49 | allorder | Xfce ? |
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| 03:11.18 | BazookaTooth | n-iCe: stop saving your seesion in whatever de you are using |
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| 03:12.17 | dvs | BazookaTooth, n-iCe is asking how to do that. |
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| 03:15.14 | BazookaTooth | if allorder is correct in assuming xfce, then n-iCe probably hit the save session and "don't ask this again" checkmark or whatever. can reset it using the setting manager |
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| 03:15.47 | Cruft | When is arm64 getting debdeltas? |
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| 03:17.16 | allorder | BazookaTooth: I think Xfce is the only DE doing it by default |
| 03:17.22 | BazookaTooth | xfce4-session-settings |
| 03:18.25 | dvs | allorder, kde does it for me (but I don't mind) |
| 03:18.36 | allorder | dvs: oh ok |
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| 03:24.25 | BazookaTooth | https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/start |
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| 03:25.14 | BazookaTooth | no clue how kde handles that |
| 03:26.22 | BazookaTooth | ah https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-workspace/kcontrol/kcmsmserver/ |
| 03:26.57 | allorder | In Xfce when you reboot or shutdown you can untick save session |
| 03:28.27 | tyzef | Hi guys ! How are you ? Some how I deleted /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf and can't get it back... even by removing and installing again alsa-utils... |
| 03:28.55 | dvs | ,file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 03:28.59 | judd | Search for /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf in buster/amd64: libasound2-data: usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 03:29.11 | dvs | try reinstalling that |
| 03:29.42 | tyzef | yes da file dvs |
| 03:30.35 | tyzef | libasound2-data already installed |
| 03:30.46 | tyzef | I am in buster 42 yes |
| 03:30.51 | tyzef | oops |
| 03:30.59 | tyzef | buster 64 |
| 03:31.05 | dvs | tyzef, dpkg -a libasound2-data |
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| 03:32.58 | tyzef | dvs, I just simply do it in a terminal as root : dpkg -a libasound2-data but it doesn't work |
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| 03:34.22 | dvs | tyzef, apt-get reinstall libasound2-data |
| 03:35.57 | tyzef | guys you rock !!! |
| 03:36.07 | tyzef | thank you so much ! |
| 03:36.15 | dvs | np |
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| 03:56.23 | ens | sney: : thanks for the help! was looking for a good suggestion and you gave me one that led me somewhere, but i'm too tired to remember what i did. thanks anyway. |
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| 07:05.32 | Cruft | Is it possible to use zram have to data integrity checking of any sort? ECC features? |
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| 07:11.25 | ratrace | Cruft: not with software, you'll need ECC RAM |
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| 07:29.34 | jjakob | #systemd told me systemd does not support initramfs-tools :) |
| 07:30.41 | jjakob | so I'm guessing the initrd init is initramfs-tools's and there's nothing systemd in there |
| 07:32.53 | jjakob | so I'm on my own (I've pretty much already figured out there's probably nothing in the initramfs that could even run a fsck -grepping through the tmpdir from mkinitramfs doesn't show anything of the sort) |
| 07:33.58 | jjakob | unless it's a binary, I need to do some more investigating |
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| 07:35.35 | ratrace | jjakob: so what's the problem you're having? initramfs-tools has hooks and scripts with which you can influence the process |
| 07:36.15 | jjakob | I tried to fsck the rootfs in initramfs |
| 07:36.34 | ratrace | jjakob: tried how? |
| 07:36.46 | jjakob | added a hook that cp -f /etc/fstab into the initramfs |
| 07:37.07 | jjakob | since mkinitramfs just creates a empty one it overwrites that one |
| 07:37.32 | ratrace | jjakob: hook? hooks are config scripts for building the initrd. you'll need "scripts", and I'm guessing the "local-premount" stage (see initramfs-tools(7) manpage) |
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| 07:38.08 | jjakob | Yeah, well there wasn't even a fstab in there that *could* be used to find the rootfs |
| 07:38.24 | jjakob | Now I probably need a script, yes |
| 07:38.27 | ratrace | jjakob: but root device is given via cmdline |
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| 07:39.02 | jjakob | This isn't stock debian so idk how it's done, probably it is |
| 07:39.06 | ratrace | iirc you give the device, not mounted dir, to e2fsck ... is that the tool you want to use? |
| 07:39.18 | ratrace | well we only support stock debian in here... |
| 07:39.20 | jjakob | It's a live system built with live-tools |
| 07:39.44 | jjakob | Yeah |
| 07:40.48 | jjakob | It mounts the single partition as /boot, mounts a squashfs from it read-only, then mounts a overlayfs with rw upper dir as / |
| 07:41.20 | ratrace | so local-premount stage is where you can work with the device before it gets mounted. |
| 07:41.37 | jjakob | So none of the fs was even in fstab because they have some custom script that does it all |
| 07:41.54 | jjakob | so I added it to fstab with noauto |
| 07:42.05 | ratrace | because fstab is not needed. it only needs root device and that's given via kernel cmdline |
| 07:42.28 | ratrace | the role of initrd is to do whatever it needs to mount and pivot to the rootfs, where init takes over, and fstab becomes relevant |
| 07:42.36 | jjakob | Oh ok |
| 07:43.02 | jjakob | Rootfs then becomes /? because it doesn't in this case |
| 07:43.08 | ratrace | "init" = /sbin/init, in this case systemd |
| 07:43.40 | jjakob | the initramfs init isn't systemd? |
| 07:43.43 | ratrace | Yes. it is pivoted to and becomes / at the end of initrd's "init" (not to be confused with main system "init") |
| 07:44.29 | ratrace | no the initramfs "init" script is not systemd |
| 07:45.08 | jjakob | so they must use some other method to pivot to the rootfs because it's a overlayfs setup by a script |
| 07:45.29 | jjakob | Or they do that later and remount / somewhere else before |
| 07:45.39 | jjakob | I need to look into that |
| 07:46.26 | ratrace | jjakob: if that's using regular debian's initramfs-tools, then all the scripts the packages added are in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts |
| 07:46.58 | ratrace | user-added hooks and scripts must go under /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/ |
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| 07:47.22 | ratrace | eh, I mean /etc/initramfs-tools/... (there's hooks and scripts separately) |
| 07:47.51 | jjakob | Ok I'll take a look later, thanks for your help for now |
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| 07:53.39 | ratrace | jjakob: oh, btw, you can use unmkinitramfs to unpack the initrd file into a directory, and you can see the init script there and what it does.... lsinitramfs will list files available, also good for debugging. |
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| 08:17.27 | simplicius | Hello |
| 08:17.58 | simplicius | I'd like to install qtcreator but without having to install docs for example qt5-doc |
| 08:18.01 | simplicius | etc |
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| 08:37.26 | Ede|Popede | simplicius: apt-cache depends qtcreator |
| 08:37.55 | Ede|Popede | should be a recommendation only, ignore them with --no-install-recommends |
| 08:38.03 | simplicius | Ede|Popede: what do you mean? |
| 08:38.59 | Ede|Popede | step 1: check *why* it would be installed. docs should not be *dependencies*, but only *recommended* |
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| 08:39.15 | Ede|Popede | step 2: install *without* recommendations |
| 08:41.19 | simplicius | Ede|Popede: now the size is reduced. I still see Recommended packages: ... will they be skipped? |
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| 08:42.20 | Ede|Popede | that's what --no-install-recomends is for. to ignore their existance. |
| 08:42.41 | Ede|Popede | and there's --dry-run or -s to see what *would* happen w/o actually let it happen. |
| 08:43.26 | simplicius | yes but in list of file to be installed I still see qt5-doc,.. |
| 08:43.39 | simplicius | between the recomended ones |
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| 08:45.23 | Ede|Popede | in the dry run? the relevant lines are those beginning with Inst |
| 08:45.43 | simplicius | see the two commands: https://paste.gnome.org/pgilvhs2d |
| 08:45.51 | Ede|Popede | or: "The following NEW packages will be installed:" |
| 08:46.06 | Ede|Popede | and note the Suggested packages |
| 08:47.28 | simplicius | if you see it has removed the majority of them but there are still those on line 72 |
| 08:47.29 | Ede|Popede | simplicius, line 74 and the list folliwing it. |
| 08:47.58 | Ede|Popede | indented lines with package lists, see where they belong to |
| 08:49.01 | Ede|Popede | lines 64, 69, 71, 74. only those marked as to be installed will be installed |
| 08:49.57 | simplicius | so only those following "... will be installed:" ? |
| 08:50.16 | Ede|Popede | yep |
| 08:50.36 | simplicius | thanks |
| 08:51.32 | Ede|Popede | this action is really chatty heh |
| 08:51.35 | Ede|Popede | yw |
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| 08:51.58 | Ede|Popede | remember the -s switch, it's really handy |
| 08:52.23 | simplicius | what's for? |
| 08:52.53 | Ede|Popede | simulation, also --dry-run |
| 08:53.17 | Ede|Popede | i use it most of the time when it's not just a simple tool with a handful dependencies |
| 08:53.43 | Ede|Popede | also for decision making, like for the display manager on the other pc |
| 08:53.51 | Ede|Popede | !debtree |
| 08:54.01 | Ede|Popede | ,info debtree |
| 08:54.02 | judd | Package debtree (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.10+nmu1; Size: 19.5k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debtree |
| 08:54.40 | flayer | i just upgraded through two versions of debian stable and all i had to fix was some old config files in my home directory |
| 08:54.42 | Ede|Popede | also nice, from its files you can create images |
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| 08:55.19 | Ede|Popede | flayer: congrats. it's how things should work. |
| 08:55.39 | flayer | i owe you people lol |
| 08:56.15 | Ede|Popede | ragouel --^ another pro argument ;) |
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| 09:05.57 | flayer | i configured stuff years ago with 32-bit wine and compiling in chroots and all that... i don't even remember how i did it. but it still works! |
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| 09:10.14 | Ede|Popede | sounds like stable APIs |
| 09:10.43 | dff | how do you change the login/lock screen background in debian 10? |
| 09:11.08 | dff | ive not been able to find an answer by searching google |
| 09:11.58 | dff | seen lots of attempts on how to solve it, but they've all failed |
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| 09:20.05 | dff | the answer seems to be switch from gdm3 to lightdm. |
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| 09:23.54 | Ede|Popede | dff: https://askubuntu.com/questions/202129/how-i-can-change-the-gdm-login-screen-wallpaper |
| 09:24.07 | Ede|Popede | this one or the mentioned duplicate maybe? |
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| 10:51.36 | Xalys | I'm having trouble building a Debian package and I'm pulling my hair out. Hopefully someone can help. |
| 10:52.11 | Xalys | 1: I have a file called 'logrotate' in the debian/ dir. It is not getting copied by dh_installlogrotate. But according to the docs, it should. There is no output. |
| 10:52.53 | Xalys | 2: I have config files under etc/ in my binary package. According to the docs, they should get installed into /etc/ automatically with debhelper compatibility level 9 or higher. They are not copied. When I manually add the debian/conffiles file, the build fails saying files under etc/ do not exist, but they do. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:00.31 | Xalys | Fixed point 1 by using override_dh_installlogrotate. But if that is expected behaviour, then the docs are wrong. |
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| 11:10.18 | choice | Is checkrestart still the way to go after "apt update && apt upgrade" to figure out if a restart is needed? |
| 11:12.18 | Ede|Popede | what would be the method to go to limit ressourec usage of a program? CPU and even more RAM. |
| 11:12.53 | Xalys | Ede|Popede: cgroups. |
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| 12:07.59 | DrBunsen | Heya, I am trying to have a second screen attached to my system, that is only going to run kodi. Now I can't have kodi working full screen on my second screen, it becomes a black tile(?). Does anyone have experience with this? |
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| 12:44.32 | toca | Hey guys, can someone walk me through or give me resources for creating a patch file for 4.19.0-6 -> 4.19.0-8 for kpatch? |
| 12:45.04 | toca | I'm not sure how to get the diff. |
| 12:45.36 | toca | Their (kpatch's) github only covers /proc/meminfo.c |
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| 12:56.16 | pitch | hey there, apt noob here... how can i display all installed files by a specific package |
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| 12:58.00 | rephlexie | pitch, hmm |
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| 12:59.13 | pitch | rephlexie: apt show $pkg is not helping... |
| 12:59.21 | rephlexie | dpkg-query -L 'package' iirc, might be way off with that though |
| 13:00.14 | pitch | yeah |
| 13:00.16 | pitch | nice |
| 13:00.29 | pitch | so apt is just a masking for dpkg? |
| 13:01.33 | pitch | if i have no depenmdencies and only a single binary i can assume its a static build, right? |
| 13:01.52 | rephlexie | dpkg is the sewer of it yeah, lot of changes that I have missed though so dont take my word for it |
| 13:01.53 | dpkg | rephlexie: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 13:04.58 | archaeopter | Can someone invite me to debian next or can i ask questions here? |
| 13:05.09 | rephlexie | pitch, I am so far behind I still check things using https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search |
| 13:08.54 | avu | archaeopter: the channel is on OFTC, there you can join without needing an invite |
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| 13:20.13 | ejr | hi, i have a question. i tried installing a package but lacked dependencies. i can correc tthat with apt --fix-broken install, I know, but i changed my mind and do not want to install the package (including the missing dependencies anymore). How can I get rid of the error message and fix the dependencies still? |
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| 13:38.41 | dff | Ede|Popede: ive gone thru a couple of those. though not the second to last answer |
| 13:38.44 | dff | gonna give that a try too |
| 13:38.47 | dff | thanks |
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| 14:26.07 | n_1-c_k | Debian appears to have stopped packaging gcc-doc. Is there a reputable source for a .deb package? |
| 14:27.17 | Wulf | n_1-c_k: you can always build it yourself |
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| 14:28.16 | n_1-c_k | Oh.. that sounds like work |
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| 14:28.57 | Wulf | n_1-c_k: sometimes yes, sometimes no. |
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| 14:30.38 | n_1-c_k | oh it's in backports apparently |
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| 14:31.04 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 14:31.29 | Wulf | n_1-c_k: really? must have missed it |
| 14:32.11 | Wulf | n_1-c_k: I think all build dependencies are in buster. So should be trivial to build it. |
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| 14:37.01 | n_1-c_k | Wulf, thanks, I might yet attempt it. Am still trying to install the backport. |
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| 15:34.47 | alencc1986 | Hello, guys. How r u? I'd like to know if it's possible to upgrade the system, but excluding a package (or group of packages) from this upgrade. Something like: "sudo apt dist-update --exclude libreoffice" |
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| 15:54.42 | bencc1 | when debian 11 is expected to be released? |
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| 15:55.59 | Wulf | bencc1: mid of 2022 |
| 15:57.33 | Wulf | bencc1: there is no fixed release date. But see https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Production_Releases to get an idea. |
| 15:58.27 | bencc1 | Wulf: thanks |
| 15:58.44 | bencc1 | Wulf: is it relatively safe to use it in production? |
| 15:58.50 | bencc1 | I'll only use it in a docker container |
| 15:59.33 | Wulf | bencc1: testing is never really safe to use. |
| 15:59.54 | Wulf | bencc1: I use buster in my containers. What are you missing? |
| 16:00.49 | Wulf | bencc1: of course you can try and there's a good chance it will work. But e.g. security updates may be way behind. |
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| 16:02.36 | bencc1 | Wulf: I have intermittent bug with pulseaudio inside a container that I can't solve |
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| 16:02.52 | bencc1 | so I thought that maybe things changed enough that it will go away |
| 16:03.01 | bencc1 | I'll might use debian 11 for sometime to test it |
| 16:03.49 | Wulf | bencc1: well, just go test it. If it's in a container, it usually won't break the whole system ;) |
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| 16:20.06 | Bushmaster | Hi fox, I am seeking some clarification... its about Linux Server, lets say, Ubuntu server, first question, once you install Ubuntu Server OS in a server machine, do you then install Ubuntu in all your workstation computers? |
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| 16:24.50 | joepublic | General linux questions and ubuntu questions are offtopic here, but a freebie: No, that's not exactly how it works, but you can if you want to. |
| 16:25.40 | Bushmaster | no prob |
| 16:25.50 | jim | Bushmaster, personally, I'd install debian instead of redhat :) |
| 16:26.00 | Bushmaster | debian has server? |
| 16:26.40 | jim | debian isn't broken apart like that... debian can be a server, or a desktop |
| 16:27.09 | jim | the way debian -is- broken down, is by packages... you install what you want |
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| 16:28.50 | Bushmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.04 | sney | not necessarily, depends on what you're doing |
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| 16:32.15 | Bushmaster | sney, you know school and colleges right, every student sits in one random machine, lets say they have 50 machines, so they sit and log in by typing their user name and password, and then they can see their work and do work, save and log out, someone else comes in sit in the same wokstation, log in, do his work and log out, and there is server taking care of their work and loggin details right? so how it works? |
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| 16:40.07 | usney | is there a way to list the most used command line and tui apps that you use? |
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| 16:40.50 | akuhcap | Can someone help me out with this problem im having? On a fresh install of buster im trying to use xinit but a server wont start. Ive already installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but when launching it says something not finding the device at /dev/dri/card0 |
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| 16:44.38 | dashs | Why won't apt install kernel-headers? It punts to /libc-dev |
| 16:46.20 | jim | dashs, what are you looking to do once you install them |
| 16:46.21 | jim | ?\ |
| 16:46.43 | sney | dashs: please pastebin the apt command you are trying and its output. https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 16:47.42 | jim | dashs, the kernel-headers packages are versioned according to the uname -r of the kernel you want headers for... |
| 16:47.47 | jim | example, |
| 16:48.17 | jim | my uname -r is 4.19.0-8-amd64 |
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| 16:48.31 | jim | (that's the kernel I'm running) |
| 16:49.03 | lwp | Bushmaster, for what you describe, with the work happening on the server, and the files on the server, and the users having accounts on the server, then any kind of linux would be fine on the "workstations" |
| 16:49.41 | dashs | sney: on a different system wait a bit |
| 16:50.10 | jim | dashs, if I want to build modules to be installed into that kernel, I (at least) need kernel-headers-4.19.0-8-amd64 (notice the package name also contains the uname -r) |
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| 16:51.36 | Bushmaster | lwp you make lot of sense my friend |
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| 16:54.17 | tyzef | Hi guys, how are you? I am on debian10buster, minimal, openbox, only alsa-utils installed... i don't know how to record... my mic is plugged back to the desktop... |
| 16:55.03 | lwp | Bushmaster, you might later find yourself migrating the "work" part of that out to the "workstations" with the server providing shared files and login authorization. |
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| 17:01.09 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 17:01.09 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 17:01.27 | karlpinc | tyzef: See above ^ |
| 17:02.31 | karlpinc | tyzef: The "alsamixer" program perhaps? |
| 17:02.54 | tyzef | ok karlpinc |
| 17:03.03 | karlpinc | tyzef: That's about all I know about sound, so if there's not enough clues here somebody else will have to help. |
| 17:03.35 | karlpinc | tyzef: Basically, start by keeping it as simple as possible. Try to use csomething on the command line to capture mic input. |
| 17:03.42 | tyzef | thanks karlpinc |
| 17:03.57 | karlpinc | !alsa firmware |
| 17:03.57 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), Echo Digital Audio series, ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <echoaudio>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>. |
| 17:04.08 | karlpinc | ?? |
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| 17:09.24 | jim | karlpinc, are any of those cards any good? |
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| 17:16.42 | karlpinc | jim: Yes, but they need firmware packages installed to work. Apparently. |
| 17:17.12 | karlpinc | jim: The factoid may not be up to date either. There are likely others. |
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| 17:17.43 | karlpinc | jim: This is why the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included is so handy. It automatically installs firmware, even if the firmware is not FOSS. |
| 17:18.31 | karlpinc | Otherwise, you need to either know, or look for firmware messages in your boot logs to know what needs firmware. Or discover a problem when some hardware does not work, or fully work. |
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| 17:20.01 | jim | karlpinc, my audio is working pretty good... and, if there's a card that has features usable in a studio (or home studio) situation, I might consider that |
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| 17:20.58 | jim | (for example, I'm not interested in gaming features right now) |
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| 17:26.03 | dashs | Is there a kernel-development package? |
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| 17:27.50 | karlpinc | dashs: There's a kernel manual at debian.org. It's mainly for the debian devs, but buried in there is info for "normal users". |
| 17:28.37 | karlpinc | jim: Dunno. I've always sorta wanted a 96bit sound card. But never enough to actually get one. |
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| 17:37.54 | jim | karlpinc, debian burys normal users?! shocking! |
| 17:38.28 | karlpinc | I can't figure out how to make cookie-blocking exceptions for specific sites in firefox-esr. Help appreciated. |
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| 17:59.45 | karlpinc | jim: My favorite burial place is the readme.debians. |
| 17:59.48 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 17:59.48 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
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| 18:28.41 | asterismo_l | hi |
| 18:28.49 | asterismo_l | is "debian" a system user? |
| 18:29.16 | asterismo_l | because i found a debian folder under /home and i deleted debian user and the folder |
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| 18:29.31 | asterismo_l | but i'm afraid i deleted a system user |
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| 18:32.14 | kline | asterismo_l, debian doesnt usually create a user called "debian", as far as i can tell |
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| 18:37.23 | deadrom | hi |
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| 18:38.15 | deadrom | someone asked me about a debian based distro called "deepin", china homed, aimed at looks - anyone know if my concerns are justified? |
| 18:39.30 | Ede|Popede | asterismo_l: entry in /etc/passwd exists? |
| 18:40.38 | sponix | !deepin |
| 18:40.38 | dpkg | deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at https://www.deepin.org/en/ or #deepin on irc.freenode.net |
| 18:41.16 | sponix | deadrom: I didn't see any weird activity with it while I had it in a virtual machine. About all I can say |
| 18:41.32 | dob1 | after dpkg-reconfigure tzdata how can I setup to use 24h format ? |
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| 18:42.37 | deadrom | sponix: thanks |
| 18:44.05 | dob1 | it's locale |
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| 18:48.27 | annadane | sort of depends on your threat model |
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| 18:48.33 | annadane | but yeah trusting anything china is a bit suspect |
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| 18:53.38 | Kobaz | anyone familiar with how to remap the caps lock key with setxkbmap |
| 18:53.54 | Kobaz | i found this: setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps which disables the caps lock, but then iwant to set this as another button |
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| 18:58.04 | Kobaz | oooo i got it: setxkbmap -option caps:supe |
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| 19:11.58 | synaps3 | hi what graphics driver i need to install for thinkpad x200tablet |
| 19:12.07 | synaps3 | none of steam games work |
| 19:12.10 | synaps3 | Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 19:12.14 | synaps3 | this is from lspci |
| 19:12.37 | synaps3 | VGA compatible controller |
| 19:12.45 | synaps3 | any help ? |
| 19:15.33 | cybercrypto | synaps3: try running as root "hwinfo" and output to a log file, so you can analize later and discover the hardware detected |
| 19:15.42 | met | synaps3, you might find something useful on thinkwiki.org |
| 19:16.05 | cybercrypto | synaps3: with that in hand, we can start looking for compatible drivers. |
| 19:17.15 | diogenes_ | i doubt you can play any advanced games with that integrated graphics. |
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| 19:21.29 | cybercrypto | diogenes_: True. |
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| 19:24.45 | joker5bb | hello |
| 19:24.53 | sney | hi |
| 19:25.36 | joker5bb | im trying to get backports to create a package with latest drivers |
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| 19:26.36 | joker5bb | im following https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 19:28.07 | joker5bb | after running ./gentree.py --integrate --clean ~/linux-next/ /tmp/output and going to /tmp/output i cant run make menuconfig |
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| 19:35.00 | sney | joker5bb: I haven't used those specific tools for custom kernel, but to troubleshoot anything like that, break down the individual steps and make sure they are doing exactly what they should be doing. if you don't know what that is, find out. get logs, read the output carefully. |
| 19:36.59 | joker5bb | sney: this is mostly to update wifi drivers only on your existing kernel |
| 19:37.19 | sney | that still counts as a custom kernel |
| 19:37.31 | joker5bb | sney: yes |
| 19:38.18 | synaps3 | cybercrypto, https://pastebin.com/PUKw6phc |
| 19:38.27 | synaps3 | output of hwinfo --gfxcard |
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| 19:46.58 | cybercrypto | synaps3: what module is currently loaded for video? |
| 19:48.42 | synaps3 | how do i check that ?cybe |
| 19:48.44 | synaps3 | cybercrypto, |
| 19:49.19 | cybercrypto | synaps3: try as root: lspci -nnk (search the results for VGA compatible and 'kernel drive + kernel in use' |
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| 19:50.45 | synaps3 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 19:51.37 | cybercrypto | synaps3: please preffer debian pastebin if it is more than 3 lines. |
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| 19:52.06 | cybercrypto | synaps3: you will have something like: kernel driver in use: xxxxxxx |
| 19:52.18 | cybercrypto | Kernel Modules: xxxxxx |
| 19:52.59 | cybercrypto | synaps3: that will show you, the kernel modules you have and which one is currently bein used for your hardware. |
| 19:54.19 | cybercrypto | synaps3: Intel has a good history/background working with open source projects, providing drivers and support (some other companies are really 'just pain'... |
| 19:56.49 | synaps3 | cybercrypto, https://paste.debian.net/1141190/ |
| 19:56.50 | synaps3 | here |
| 19:56.53 | synaps3 | i915 |
| 19:57.06 | ws2k3 | im investigate why debian is droppping alot of packets. im seeing this in dropwatch 4209 drops at net_tx_action+0 (0xffffffff8d3123d0) what could this mean? |
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| 20:01.28 | cybercrypto | synaps3: i915... so I am afraid I cannot offer you a better choice. You must try install software to use some 3D feature from your hardware. |
| 20:02.34 | cybercrypto | synaps3: you may try 'compizz' and do some 3D digging. And remember... integrated graphics are never powerfull enougth to fire up advanced 3D gamming. |
| 20:02.54 | synaps3 | i see |
| 20:03.02 | synaps3 | thanks for help cybercrypto :D |
| 20:03.02 | Freneticks | Is there a tool like arch-audit -u for debian ? (-u Show only packages that have already been fixed) |
| 20:03.31 | cybercrypto | synaps3: np |
| 20:03.48 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: what does the mentioned tool of yours do? |
| 20:04.13 | Freneticks | cybercrypto: show package that have cve but fixed so you can apt upgrade -y |
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| 20:04.52 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: you can APT in arch? that's new... |
| 20:05.21 | Freneticks | cybercrypto: pacman if you prefer this was a wg |
| 20:05.23 | Freneticks | a eg* |
| 20:05.45 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: in this case, we may get a step back, to talk a bit about concepts... |
| 20:06.03 | Freneticks | ? |
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| 20:06.56 | cybercrypto | Debian distro is a rock solid stable solution. I firmly believe that it is the most stable at all (competing against few others like Slackware) in terms of stability. |
| 20:08.08 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: to my knowledge, there is no need for debian to have a 'audit-tool' to find security issues/bugs, since there is acctually a debian-team working on security. |
| 20:08.34 | Freneticks | lol what a mess |
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| 20:08.48 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: you know, Debian is not rolling-release, so it does not find in the same situation as archlinux 'latest software and bugs' |
| 20:08.54 | Freneticks | stop please |
| 20:09.31 | Freneticks | the situation are worst since they need the patch themself only the cve thing |
| 20:09.42 | Freneticks | and yes there is a tool to audit every package in debian |
| 20:09.59 | Freneticks | but this is a developper tool |
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| 20:10.28 | Freneticks | i want a admin sys tool to show only package that have been fixed |
| 20:10.43 | Donatas | exit |
| 20:10.52 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: good, so grab that tool and have fun. |
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| 20:14.02 | Freneticks | Also there is a stable repo but there is also a rolling repo so your definition is a bit weird |
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| 20:15.41 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: you may keep saying 'rolling' but that concept is not applied in debian. It is unstable repo. And it is for testing/dev earlier phases (before getting mature enougth for stable repo). |
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| 20:17.00 | Freneticks | testing yes but many user use unstable for day to day life and happy with it. |
| 20:17.02 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: The user can of couse point its own repo to 'unstable' but that does not turn you debian a 'rolling release'. |
| 20:18.07 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: back to your question then: No, I dont know any tool in debian that will do the same as 'audit-arch' does for archlinux rolling release. |
| 20:18.42 | cybercrypto | Freneticks: you may wait other to comment here, and you may also try debian-security for detailed info, if you will. |
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| 20:37.04 | schmuck | Hi. Man boobs. k thnx. |
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| 20:46.10 | schmuck | I said man boobs please? |
| 20:46.18 | schmuck | I broke the channel rules. |
| 20:46.28 | schmuck | I am being silly and immature? |
| 20:46.31 | schmuck | Anyone around? |
| 20:46.47 | ws2k3 | im investigate why debian is droppping alot of packets. im seeing this in dropwatch 4209 drops at net_tx_action+0 (0xffffffff8d3123d0) what could this mean? |
| 20:47.20 | schmuck | wifi or cable? |
| 20:47.47 | ws2k3 | schmuck is that for response for me? cable |
| 20:48.53 | schmuck | ws2k3: try sudo ping google.com -f and see if you stay at one dot or if packets are dropped |
| 20:49.30 | schmuck | trust me, this is what professionals do to troubleshoot. |
| 20:49.44 | ws2k3 | schmuck its not that easy unfortunaly. once an hour or something all client disconnect from the server i lose ssh connections. and after like 2/3 seconds the machine is back online again |
| 20:50.14 | ws2k3 | schmuck also. grafana is showing me that exacly at that point linux was dropping packets |
| 20:51.55 | schmuck | ws2k3: have you concluded that it's not the gateway? |
| 20:52.15 | ws2k3 | schmuck no but it seems the server works fine if there is no network load on it |
| 20:52.16 | schmuck | and have you checked the system log for those points in time? |
| 20:52.29 | ws2k3 | schmuck yes i did nothing in dmesg or in syslog |
| 20:52.39 | schmuck | is it a VPN or is it connected to your home router maybe? |
| 20:53.49 | ws2k3 | schmuck nope. its a dedicated server in a datacenter connected to a switch with a cable. it also not a vm just bare metal |
| 20:53.54 | ws2k3 | schmuck https://puu.sh/Fzkay/cdcb7be14e.png |
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| 20:55.15 | ws2k3 | schmuck https://puu.sh/Fzkcv/ed8e821a80.png also there is direct relation between the network traffic by packet and network traffic drop in the following image https://puu.sh/Fzkcv/ed8e821a80.png |
| 20:55.16 | schmuck | is this a production server or can you stress test it? |
| 20:55.35 | ws2k3 | schmuck i can stress test on it |
| 20:56.20 | ws2k3 | schmuck im just trying to find out why debian is dropping packages sometimes |
| 20:57.23 | schmuck | yes, you gotta trouble shoot it, because it isn't straight. |
| 20:57.43 | ws2k3 | schmuck do you know dropwatch? https://pastebin.com/mQvfHZbf |
| 20:58.45 | ws2k3 | schmuck yeah so im pretty sure something is wrong. but no idea what |
| 20:59.12 | schmuck | I don't know dropwatch. But try to reproduce the situation by stress testing the server if you can (i.e. isn't production) |
| 21:00.10 | ws2k3 | schmuck lets say this traffic is allmost impossible to reproduce |
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| 21:00.24 | schmuck | unlikely |
| 21:00.26 | ws2k3 | cause its maby different processes that together at some point this issue comes up |
| 21:02.52 | schmuck | Yes, that's what you've got to find out. Start basic, just push through a lot of traffic. If that gives something you may wanna check the firewall, gateway/router etc etc. If it gives you nothing then you might wanna try opening up a lot of TCP-connections or examine if there's a specific port (i.e. service) that fails but no others. You wanna try turning different kind of network services on and off. But you need to be able to reproduce |
| 21:02.53 | schmuck | the problem by trying different things. |
| 21:03.09 | schmuck | it could be anything |
| 21:03.43 | schmuck | maybe it's not local but you reach the ISPs throughput |
| 21:04.24 | schmuck | maybe some kind of network stack gets full because you're using some custom made software with weird faulty packets. |
| 21:04.28 | schmuck | do you have a port knocker? |
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| 21:05.41 | schmuck | if you run "sudo ping google.com -f" for a while and it fails once in a while (shouldn't since that's not much traffic really) then a good guess would be the internet connection. |
| 21:05.55 | schmuck | Really gotta find that lead. Got to try things. |
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| 21:06.37 | schmuck | I came here to troll damn it |
| 21:06.49 | schmuck | aaro, wake up, you look stupid. |
| 21:06.53 | schmuck | anybody. |
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| 21:14.27 | flayer | kek |
| 21:14.55 | schmuck | flayer: hi. me and aaro are going to make a baby and then dump it in the nearest dumpster. |
| 21:14.56 | schmuck | <3 |
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| 21:28.22 | schmuck | hi blastoise. Penis etc. |
| 21:28.39 | schmuck | injects crocodile |
| 21:30.27 | blastoise | schmuck: hi |
| 21:31.27 | schmuck | hi blastoise. Now this: Very long man boobs. |
| 21:31.58 | schmuck | blastoise, we must have an op remove me, I can't do this, this is against the channel policy. |
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| 22:10.04 | soft_concrete | Which files should I be looking at to manually configure a new network interface card, besides /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 22:16.31 | soft_concrete | Never mind! |
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| 22:38.47 | Mr_Queue | # file java |
| 22:38.48 | Mr_Queue | java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 |
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| 22:39.17 | Mr_Queue | # ./java |
| 22:39.19 | Mr_Queue | -bash: ./java: No such file or directory |
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| 22:42.09 | Mr_Queue | how can that be? |
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| 22:53.36 | HeXiLeD | just installed another box with debian but this install seems borked. Is there a package or config needed to be done to have cmds to work by their name and not by their full path? ie: ifconfig does not work. i have to /sbin/ifconfig |
| 22:53.50 | HeXiLeD | first time this happened to me |
| 22:54.25 | dvs | Mr_Queue, maybe file is smart enough to follow PATH |
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| 23:03.36 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: a few things, first thing is /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in a normal users $PATH, since those binaries often require root permisions to work anyways. |
| 23:03.46 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: ifconfig ahs been replaced with ip, ip is in a normal users $PATH |
| 23:03.48 | somiaj | !buster su |
| 23:03.49 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 23:04.04 | somiaj | also, su now works like it is supose to, and won't update roots path if you don't use a login shell |
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| 23:09.12 | BalooRJ | sudo -i is the same as Su, no? |
| 23:09.14 | HeXiLeD | what are the advantages of these changes? |
| 23:16.27 | HeXiLeD | and the solution gives me an error. |
| 23:16.36 | HeXiLeD | this is a disgraceful change. |
| 23:17.10 | lwp | HeXiLeD, what solution give what error. do you want help, or just want to cry ? |
| 23:17.34 | HeXiLeD | no one is crying. just stating what is happening. |
| 23:17.45 | HeXiLeD | Put ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs to get an approximation of the old behavior. |
| 23:17.49 | HeXiLeD | out puts an error |
| 23:18.15 | lwp | just use "su -" |
| 23:19.58 | HeXiLeD | let me put it this way. system boots. (no wm) login prompt and i type root as the username. Right after i get configuration error - unkonwn item 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH' (notify adninistrator) |
| 23:20.42 | HeXiLeD | right now i am spending more time getting the OS to work than the time it took to install it. |
| 23:21.55 | HeXiLeD | are there any docs we can read, informing why these changes were done? |
| 23:22.31 | HeXiLeD | also, is this a debian change only or more distros are going the same route? (if anyone knows) |
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| 23:23.24 | somiaj | BalooRJ: same as su -l, |
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| 23:24.19 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: There are reasons to have a full login shell, (su -) or (su -l), vs gaining root privlages for your current enviorment. Changing the $PATH changes the enviorment and that aws not the designed behavior of su |
| 23:24.29 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: just learn to type 'su -' or 'su -l' |
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| 23:24.49 | somiaj | debian just made su act like it is supose to |
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| 23:25.14 | HeXiLeD | again, we are not talking about the same somiaj. i am not doing su from regular user. I am login as root right away. |
| 23:25.15 | somiaj | all of this information is in the release notes |
| 23:25.37 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: how are you logging in as root, from the prompt, and when you login as root the $PATH isn't being set correctly? |
| 23:26.15 | HeXiLeD | The OS boots ( i am not using GUIs) (just console) So i login as root. |
| 23:26.47 | HeXiLeD | i added ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs |
| 23:26.50 | somiaj | seems you hit https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905564 which was mentioned in the link the bot set |
| 23:26.51 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/905564 in util-linux (open): «login: shows error about "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" which is supported by "su" from "util-linux"»; severity: minor; opened: 2018-08-06; last modified: 2019-11-11. |
| 23:27.29 | HeXiLeD | great. by the way... dont even get network. |
| 23:27.57 | HeXiLeD | also, this is s fresh install |
| 23:28.01 | somiaj | what network card? Debian doesn't install non-free firwmare by default |
| 23:28.28 | HeXiLeD | i am using virtualbox as i have used in the past many times. intel vcard |
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| 23:30.46 | HeXiLeD | another question is, what will happen to older installs that will get updated? will the updates change the OS configs in regards to these changes, or will they work in 'legacy'? |
| 23:31.17 | somiaj | depends on the change, since the change in su affects the binary (not a config file) it will happen due to upgrades. |
| 23:31.30 | joepublic | ...as explained in the release notes that you read before upgrading |
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| 23:32.47 | BalooRJ | I just took the plunge today and installed Linux completely on my laptop. Was originally a W8 gaming laptop from ASUS, then I dualbooted Windows 10 and Debian, and now have took the plunge to only use Debian after a number of stupid quirks from Windows, like my headphone jack not working and the network card taking forever to load |
| 23:33.25 | HeXiLeD | i see. how much long will stretch be supported? |
| 23:33.45 | somiaj | oldstable is supported officaly for one year, and then by lts for about 3 more years |
| 23:34.03 | HeXiLeD | well, i am staying there for a while |
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| 23:34.18 | zmoo | hello debian channel |
| 23:34.37 | teksimian | hello zmoo |
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| 23:34.48 | HeXiLeD | curious to know what motivated this type of change. If anyone knwos |
| 23:34.56 | zmoo | question is there a prefered medod for compiling glibc ? I needed glibc-2.28 so. im thinking source> |
| 23:35.25 | zmoo | or is there a source or debian latest srv? |
| 23:36.03 | joepublic | ,v glibc |
| 23:36.05 | judd | No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64. |
| 23:36.10 | somiaj | zmoo: changing the glbic on debian stable is not something that is suggested, being a core libary. |
| 23:36.15 | joepublic | fair enough |
| 23:36.21 | somiaj | zmoo: also what version of debian are you running, buster has 2.28 |
| 23:36.23 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 23:36.24 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.30-4; sid: 2.30-4; experimental: 2.31-0experimental0 |
| 23:36.27 | zmoo | I must compile against it |
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| 23:37.03 | somiaj | zmoo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:37.08 | zmoo | just install to options? or something and pass it as local to "other" package? |
| 23:37.33 | joepublic | has a sneaky feeling about that "debian" version thing |
| 23:37.51 | zmoo | stretch |
| 23:38.11 | somiaj | zmoo: using debootstrap to make a buster chroot, and build in that chroot would be my suggestion. |
| 23:38.34 | somiaj | though if this runs on stretch, unsure, it could be the software you want to build isnt' compadable with stretch. |
| 23:39.00 | zmoo | I could do that* |
| 23:39.25 | zmoo | it openwrt latest kernel |
| 23:40.15 | zmoo | i think it actually builds its own chroot |
| 23:40.21 | zmoo | or it did |
| 23:42.18 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: what type of change, changes happen all the time, and it is a combination of matainers and developer decisions. |
| 23:46.24 | HeXiLeD | somiaj: yes i can see that. I just dont see the validity of coming up with an idea that provides a bug right away https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905564 |
| 23:46.25 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/905564 in util-linux (open): «login: shows error about "ALWAYS_SET_PATH" which is supported by "su" from "util-linux"»; severity: minor; opened: 2018-08-06; last modified: 2019-11-11. |
| 23:47.34 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: from what I read that bug isn't wide spread. As to exactly why the matainers wanted to revert su to its intended behavior (which I agree with) I don't know |
| 23:47.51 | somiaj | but seems this bug is minor, and only affects some systems. |
| 23:48.51 | HeXiLeD | well... some... i mean, i just finished installing debian. |
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| 23:50.13 | somiaj | I can't confirm if the bug exists or not (I haven't tried this change). |
| 23:53.02 | somiaj | but it appears the message is just noise, personally I don't see why you don't just use 'su -' for a login shell |
| 23:53.32 | lwp | Yes, the release notes for buster mention this may happen, and call it a "harmless error message". |
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| 23:55.28 | somiaj | HeXiLeD: buster isn't bug free, but the bugs are known, this is a known bug that doesn't cause any problems with the functionality of your system. |
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| 23:55.49 | HeXiLeD | yes i see now. |
| 23:56.07 | somiaj | buster is rc-bug free at the moment of the release (though rc-bugs often surface after the release) |
| 23:56.49 | dify | You guys ever get disappointed when your scripts work the first time, and there's nothing to troubleshoot? lol |
| 23:57.07 | somiaj | dify: I have never felt that way |
| 23:57.32 | dify | understandable. lol |
| 23:58.15 | dify | I was just ready to fix a bunch of shit, but then it just worked. So now idk what to do. |
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