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| 02:41.29 | saptech | well I got the scanner working, it was simple. I forgot to install the scanner drivers |
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| 02:42.02 | saptech | but it is an epson utility program having issues with the lsb stuff |
| 02:42.19 | saptech | nothing to do with the scanner |
| 02:42.41 | dvs | !prize saptech |
| 02:42.43 | dpkg | gives saptech a My Little Pony. |
| 02:43.07 | saptech | :O) |
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| 02:46.52 | u0m3 | hi. anyone here can suggest an acceptable way of checking what errors out when running a set of commands over ssh? (something like ssh -T user@host "long ; list ; of ; commands ; here") |
| 02:48.09 | dvs | u0m3, use "&&" instead of ";" and see which command it stops on? |
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| 03:09.04 | blackop | i am having this errors while playing youtube videos in mpv : http://paste.debian.net/plain/1142023 |
| 03:09.34 | blackop | and after a while video and computer is freezing that makes me hard reboot by power button |
| 03:10.12 | blackop | i understand it is because of my old hardware |
| 03:10.39 | blackop | how can i set resolution while streaming? |
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| 05:21.21 | accelbread | Hi, I just installed Debian in a qemu vm, and am having trouble getting the display to scale. I am using spice. I tried installing qemu-guest-agent and spice-vdagent. I've used the same config for windows VMs so the host side should be fine |
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| 07:18.34 | jim | has anyone used kill to see if a process exists? like: kill -0 pid |
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| 07:27.57 | deepy | jim: that seems to be the way to do it according to the standard |
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| 07:41.01 | kreyren | What is the command to output metadata of the package about changes that it performs to the system? |
| 07:41.07 | kreyren | i.e package nano adds /usr/bin/nano |
| 07:41.13 | kreyren | needs to implement logic based on this |
| 07:42.12 | themill | "apt-file show package" if not installed; "dpkg -L package" if installed |
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| 07:42.25 | kreyren | themill, thanks ^-^ |
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| 07:42.45 | themill | note that there can be files in /etc that won't be listed by that because they are created by the maintainer scripts |
| 07:43.03 | themill | (also sometimes in other places) |
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| 07:43.24 | kreyren | noted |
| 07:44.38 | kreyren | themill, Is it possible for either of these to output a files that will not be present on the system? |
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| 07:48.41 | kreyren | is thinking about implementing the output of these in logic |
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| 07:50.30 | jim | deepy, interesting... link? |
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| 07:59.19 | vlt | Hello. Iâve been working with Debian on a machine for a few days now without problems. Since this morning every now and then I get a short beep sound, my graphics freezes (while an ssh session works fine) and I get this https://dpaste.org/4nvv Any idea what to check first? |
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| 08:35.51 | f-a | after removing/installing apt-xapian-index I get this error when searching http://www.ariis.it/link/t/paste4980-0 |
| 08:36.13 | f-a | I suspect some kind of cache/database rebuilding is needed, but I don't know how |
| 08:36.56 | ksk | ,info apt-xapian-index |
| 08:36.58 | judd | Package apt-xapian-index (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: maintenance and search tools for a Xapian index of Debian packages. Version: 0.49; Size: 57.2k; Installed: 251k; Homepage: http://www.enricozini.org/sw/apt-xapian-index/; O: #813201 |
| 08:38.14 | ksk | ,file /var/cache/apt-xapian-index/index.1 |
| 08:38.18 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 08:38.38 | ksk | does not seem to be coming from package anyway, that file. Maybe you need to generate it somehow? |
| 08:41.39 | f-a | ah update-apt-xapian-index |
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| 08:43.55 | f-a | that did it, thanks ksk |
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| 08:49.38 | ksk | welcome. |
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| 08:57.48 | oxek | I have a few questions about debian that I hope someone can answer: |
| 08:58.48 | oxek | Can anyone simply become a maintainer for a package that does not exist in debian yet? Do I then simply upload a binary I compiled to the debian repositories? Is there anyone reviewing the binary for malicious behavior? |
| 08:58.58 | ksk | !mentors |
| 08:58.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 08:59.07 | ksk | !nmg |
| 08:59.07 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 08:59.48 | ksk | oxek: as far as I know you try to get a mentor if you want to become a debian package maintainer. He/She will then guide you, and you can become a package maintainer yourself later.. |
| 09:00.31 | ksk | you can ask the bot about all these keywords via "/msg dpkg KEYWORD" |
| 09:00.48 | oxek | ksk: thanks. Those look like quite heavy reading materials so it will take me some time to digest them. |
| 09:01.09 | ksk | yes indeed. It would be really helpful if you got some experience in building debian packages I suppose. |
| 09:01.20 | ksk | (not too trivial of a task) |
| 09:03.14 | oxek | I see |
| 09:04.07 | oxek | the other question I have is this: On windows I was using this version of chromium https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/ downloaded from https://chromium.woolyss.com/ |
| 09:04.17 | oxek | whereas on debian there's just the standard chromium package |
| 09:04.47 | oxek | is there some place where I can read about how much tracking and other google things the debian's chromium package contains compared to the ungoogled chromium? |
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| 09:05.56 | ksk | chromium is already de-googled, no? |
| 09:06.00 | ksk | ,info chromium |
| 09:06.01 | judd | Package chromium (web, optional) in buster/amd64: web browser. Version: 79.0.3945.130-1~deb10u1; Size: 54602.1k; Installed: 194224k; Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/chromium |
| 09:06.07 | ksk | ,info chrome |
| 09:06.08 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 09:07.18 | ksk | inbefore: use firefox :P |
| 09:07.40 | oxek | the https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/#key-features section says that chromium still contains a bunch of google binaries and google functionality like captive portal detection etc. |
| 09:07.48 | ksk | (its kinda usable nowadays, I did myself migrate from FF to Chrome like 5 Years ago because of performance, but seems that got better in FF) |
| 09:07.53 | oxek | ksk: I do, but a lot of things just don't work well in firefox or are slow. |
| 09:08.10 | oxek | I use firefox for personal use, but chromium for work |
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| 09:11.48 | oxek | according to wireshark, the chromium version in debian still sends a whole bunch of data to google domains, even with safebrowsing disabled. |
| 09:13.05 | ksk | :(( |
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| 09:14.57 | zub | Hi. A short packaging question: looking at https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/extras/icecc/ - how is that associated to the upstream source? |
| 09:16.53 | ksk | zub: not 100% sure what you are asking, but take a look here: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/icecc |
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| 09:17.08 | ksk | upstream is linked on the right side, "homepage" |
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| 09:17.29 | ksk | I dont think debian packages are like "programaticly linked to upstream" if that is what you wanted to know |
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| 09:20.09 | zub | ksk: thanks, I guess I'm just confused. When one builds e.g. the icecc package, one needs the "debian" packaging - and that lives in the salsa repo. But one also needs the actual icecc sources. When the official package is build, it must be somewhere specified what upstream source to use. Or... am I hopelessly lost? |
| 09:20.12 | kreyren | Why i don't have apt-utils from stable repository on this environment? http://dpaste.com/3Q0BBT7.txt |
| 09:20.30 | kreyren | or is it `now` ? assuming it being debian/stable grabbed from official docker |
| 09:22.38 | ksk | zub: if you did "apt source icecc" it would download everything needed, this includes "upstream coded mirrored and used by debian" and all the stuff debian adds |
| 09:23.16 | zub | ksk: how does apt-source know? |
| 09:23.26 | zub | (the dependencies are clear) |
| 09:23.36 | ksk | for every package there is a source package, containing everything needed to build the package. |
| 09:23.50 | ksk | !tell zub about apt-src |
| 09:23.57 | zub | ah, indeed. so there is more than what I jsut see in the salsa repo |
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| 09:24.29 | ksk | zub: see https://wiki.debian.org/apt-src |
| 09:24.47 | zub | thanks |
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| 09:25.16 | ksk | ,version apt-utils |
| 09:25.18 | judd | Package: apt-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.5; stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster: 1.8.2; bullseye: 2.0.2; sid: 2.0.2 |
| 09:25.31 | ksk | kreyren: did you issue an "apt update" before that apt-list command? |
| 09:25.40 | ksk | as you see, there is a package apt-utils in buster. |
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| 09:25.44 | kreyren | ksk, i did |
| 09:26.00 | kreyren | it doesn't seem to see it if there are sources for testing and sid |
| 09:26.13 | kreyren | same issue on my local system |
| 09:26.19 | ksk | what is apt-list though? :D can you try with "apt-cache show apt-utils" and/or "apt-cache policy apt-utils" |
| 09:26.22 | ksk | !bat |
| 09:26.22 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:26.36 | kreyren | see http://dpaste.com/0F3RX8A |
| 09:26.53 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 09:26.53 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 09:27.28 | kreyren | checking |
| 09:28.55 | kreyren | ksk, output of apt-cache show apt-utils http://ix.io/2j3x |
| 09:29.31 | kreyren | which this is a different environment from a docker that attempts to recreate the docker environment (uses different sandboxing method) |
| 09:30.29 | kreyren | for frankendebian, my local is LFS that has stablebian and bullseye in separate sandboxes and this way it's managing them, for docker we are expecting the ability to get frankendebian for packages like shellcheck that are not usable in stable |
| 09:31.22 | zub | ksk: looking at https://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit - if I understand it correctly, for packaing a sw that is developed in git, and for maintaining the packaging also in git, I could use the approach on that wiki page, right? and if I used that, the upstream sw would also be in the repo, right? so, it would look different from the salsa icecc repo which only contains the debian directory |
| 09:31.32 | kreyren | ksk, seems that stable release does not have apt-utils even when buster has it? |
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| 09:31.48 | kreyren | it is even required assuming that apt complpains about not having it? |
| 09:31.53 | kreyren | *complains |
| 09:33.15 | ksk | zub: dunno, sorry. not that deep into debian packaging. |
| 09:34.04 | ksk | kreyren: stable is buster. |
| 09:34.34 | ksk | and no, debian does not require apt-utils. |
| 09:34.59 | kreyren | ksk, but it uses it for something? |
| 09:35.35 | zub | ksk: no problem, thanks anyway for the useful links |
| 09:35.47 | zub | I wish deb packaging was easier... or I was more clever :) |
| 09:36.05 | ksk | Debian can use the Gnome Desktop to display fancy stuff on a monitor. its not required though.. |
| 09:36.19 | ksk | zub: ha, take a look at .rpm then |
| 09:36.20 | ksk | hides |
| 09:36.59 | zub | :) |
| 09:37.14 | ksk | but yeah, not too easy building debian packages. Depending on your usecase, you might just want to use $something-else (config-managment, language specific foo (composer, pip, whatnot) |
| 09:37.43 | kreyren | is building LFS-stablebian in sandbox in the meintime |
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| 09:49.18 | kreyren | debian takes so long to build.. >.> |
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| 09:51.49 | Unit193 | That's what `eatmydata` is for. :P |
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| 09:53.04 | kreyren | Unit193, My distro is not optimized on eatmydata yet >.> |
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| 09:58.15 | kreyren | hm so it outputs stable on stablebian |
| 09:58.22 | kreyren | confused |
| 09:58.57 | kreyren | How do i know that i can install apt-utils if `apt list apt-utils` outputs `apt-utils/testing,unstable,now 2.0.2 amd64 [installed]` |
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| 10:07.53 | kreyren | scared all debianers with his systems again T-T |
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| 10:25.22 | doh | i'm running raspbian (which is debian based) so i hope it's okay to ask here. i have an external disk encrypted with luks (cryptsetup). it has to be crypto-opened and then mounted to be used. |
| 10:25.51 | doh | i configure it in /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab with the correct settings (same as in cli), but then prevents the damn pi from booting |
| 10:25.57 | doh | the disk is physically connected. |
| 10:26.15 | doh | and i use a keyfile, not an interactive password |
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| 10:28.08 | themill | You probably need to include the nofail option in /etc/fstab so that it is not expected to be present at boot |
| 10:28.31 | themill | and/or noauto |
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| 10:33.43 | riverr | how large log files such as /var/log/auth.log can get? |
| 10:33.49 | riverr | Should i be worried about diskspace |
| 10:38.30 | kreyren | riverr, Generally i like sanitized systems so diskspace is always a concern to me |
| 10:43.20 | riverr | I have one script which gets iptables every 10 seconds, since it uses sudo, it gets logged to auth.log |
| 10:43.30 | riverr | should i be worried about this regarding diskspace or performance? |
| 10:45.25 | robi | my debian install on a pc with no DE (just i3) installed displays serif fonts terribly in firefox, but another pc with a debian KDE install displays them super crisp and great. is there some package that KDE installs that I don't have? |
| 10:45.53 | robi | both are buster |
| 10:45.55 | AndreasLutro | robi: try installing ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 10:46.12 | robi | i'll look into that. is that in non-free? (noticed the "ms") |
| 10:47.28 | robi | ah it's contrib. cool |
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| 10:52.29 | robi | anyone experience this? i have a wireless mouse, and when i stop using it for a few seconds, i need to shake it a bit before the system detects that the mouse is moving |
| 10:52.53 | robi | doesn't happen when i keep continuously moving the mouse, just when i stop using it to type, for example |
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| 10:58.08 | AndreasLutro | might be a usb autosuspend thing, you can try modifying USB_BLACKLIST in /etc/default/tlp (assuming you have tlp installed) |
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| 11:13.44 | jaami | sometimes careless actions are good for quick fix. wifi worked that way |
| 11:16.09 | Linuxlars | Have anyone experience ore advise about what's best choice Linux Security Modules for Debian, SeLinux, AppArmor etc. ? |
| 11:16.21 | coitusinteruptus | is windows xp secure? |
| 11:16.37 | luna_ | nope |
| 11:16.40 | coitusinteruptus | i tried the modern win 7 didnt like it |
| 11:16.41 | ksk | robi: nope. we are living in 2020: Dispace is cheap, and you should have the spare cpu-cycles for some gzipping.. |
| 11:17.00 | ksk | !offtopic | coitusinteruptus |
| 11:17.05 | robi | AndreasLutro: i'll look into it. |
| 11:17.07 | coitusinteruptus | i think xp is safe now. |
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| 11:17.16 | robi | ksk: uh, what was that a response to? |
| 11:17.36 | robi | think you mis-pinged |
| 11:17.46 | ksk | oh yes indeed, sorry. |
| 11:17.54 | ksk | riverr: for you ;) |
| 11:18.01 | coitusinteruptus | can i run linux on windows xp ? |
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| 11:18.15 | robi | you can use virtualbox which is FOSS |
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| 11:18.44 | robi | but really, you shouldn't be using windows XP on any computer that is connected to the internet directly. |
| 11:19.00 | robi | maybe a router with NAT would work though. make sure to disable all ports except 80 and 443. |
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| 11:19.06 | coitusinteruptus | i find it easier to use |
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| 11:19.21 | robi | yeah, but the security implications might outweigh the convenience |
| 11:19.30 | robi | try XFCE's Redmond theme. |
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| 11:19.51 | coitusinteruptus | hmm |
| 11:19.57 | robi | AndreasLutro: didn't have tlp installed. could it have something to do with powertop tunings? |
| 11:20.08 | robi | i run sudo powertop --auto-tune every now and then |
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| 11:37.08 | AndreasLutro | no clue, these things are black boxes to me, but I do know that I disabled autosuspend for my usb ethernet device to prevent the network from hanging |
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| 11:40.58 | kreyren | set apt.conf default release on stable which seems to fix the issue with apt list not listing expected output |
| 11:41.09 | kreyren | nevermind |
| 11:41.13 | kreyren | -.-" |
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| 11:43.58 | robi | also, here's a strange one. when my laptop goes to sleep and wakes up, and I ssh to it, as soon as I terminate the ssh connection the wifi drops and i have to manually re-connect via nmtui. anyone experience anything like this? |
| 11:44.30 | robi | a reboot fixes the problem, but until then my wifi drops everytime the ssh connection terminates |
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| 11:47.27 | Diezel | robi: what did you create the wifi connection with? I had an issue when NetworkManager was running and I used connman to create my settings |
| 11:47.47 | Diezel | disabling networkmanager fixed my wifi drops |
| 11:48.11 | robi | networkmanager only |
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| 11:49.24 | Diezel | robi: sorry, have I read your question properly I would have seen nmtui. So not the same issue as mine then |
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| 11:49.51 | robi | np ^^ |
| 11:50.13 | kreyren | How do i make `apt list package` to list only specified release |
| 11:50.22 | kreyren | is about to murder someone because apt is not cooperating |
| 11:50.57 | longears | Hmm. What should I replace Xen with? Docker? Kubernates? I need something FOSS and light. The idea is it could scale, work on multiple servers in parallel, be in Debian's repos and have ability to run VMs. |
| 11:51.13 | troic | lxd ? |
| 11:51.24 | kreyren | troic, docker |
| 11:51.38 | kreyren | ah that probably wasn't on me.. |
| 11:53.14 | troic | anyone else having issues rsync'ing from security.debian.org ? |
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| 11:58.25 | ksk | longears: lxc or kvm, depending on your needs.. |
| 11:58.46 | ksk | okay, VMS; kvm then. |
| 11:59.02 | ksk | longears: its not debian, but proxmox is not too bad imho.. |
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| 12:00.28 | longears | Thanks :) I actually prefer Xen to Proxmox. Just from the experience I had years ago. The only reason why I'm even considering replacing Xen is because `xen-utils-common` requeres `python2` =\ |
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| 12:04.43 | robi | longears: be the change you want, port it to python3 :) |
| 12:05.19 | miskatonic | why do dbus and systemd depend on libapparmor even if apparmor is not used? |
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| 12:06.41 | longears | robi: If only I had time :( |
| 12:08.48 | kreyren | me found `--all-versions` and is happy |
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| 12:10.22 | CrazyTux | is Libre Office package from Debian backports stable and secure? |
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| 12:11.42 | hansol | heho, on fresh install in my laptop i dont have sound |
| 12:11.56 | kreyren | CrazyTux, check Commonly Known Vulnerabilities and then check that agains debian.. Personally i never saw unsafe package in debian's stable release |
| 12:12.33 | kreyren | generally debian is very fast on fixing security issues thus reasoning for me to use it in production ^-^ |
| 12:14.29 | CrazyTux | kreyren, I'm asking specifically about the Libre Office package from Debian backports. Could it have bugs? How stable and secure is it? |
| 12:14.51 | ksk | CrazyTux: soo, check https://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:15.07 | ksk | or, backports.debian.org rather in that case. |
| 12:15.22 | CrazyTux | ksk, ok. |
| 12:15.53 | kreyren | CrazyTux, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=stable;package=libreoffice |
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| 12:16.45 | ksk | CrazyTux: in general, from backports.d.o: "Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!" |
| 12:16.48 | kreyren | CrazyTux, This may be a concerning to you https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=stable;package=libreoffice#_0_3_4 but i am not sure how it affects things |
| 12:17.07 | CrazyTux | ksk, ok |
| 12:17.13 | CrazyTux | kreyren, ok |
| 12:17.42 | kreyren | CrazyTux, also see https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=CVE which is list of known vulnerabilities |
| 12:17.49 | CrazyTux | so, generally, it's better to stick to Debian stable? |
| 12:18.20 | ksk | You should not install a package from backports without reason. If you have a valid reason, just go for it without worrying too much. |
| 12:18.42 | CrazyTux | btw, is Ubuntu LTS based on Debian stable or testing or unstable? |
| 12:18.55 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 12:18.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 12:19.04 | kreyren | i would say it's better to make LFS with package manager capable of compiling from source with ability to run tests and expensive test and track the issues to apply user-patches in case downstream is not fast enough |
| 12:19.14 | miskatonic | the u-word may not be mentioned here |
| 12:19.14 | kreyren | but debian stable is also sufficient |
| 12:19.48 | ksk | sure, because one "linux distro maintainer in his free time" will do better than the debian team. I cannot understand such statements :P |
| 12:19.50 | kreyren | CrazyTux, ubuntu is debian unstable prove me wrong i dare you :p |
| 12:20.11 | kreyren | afaik 0 care for security on ubuntu |
| 12:20.36 | CrazyTux | I am a casual end user. I don't have much know much about the technical details of distros. |
| 12:20.40 | kreyren | well not zero but not sufficient either |
| 12:21.24 | kreyren | CrazyTux, As a casual end-user without concerns in security and stability of the system you can you really anything |
| 12:21.28 | CrazyTux | kreyren, please elaborate. |
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| 12:21.55 | CrazyTux | elaborate on your statement about ubuntu. |
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| 12:22.31 | CrazyTux | what do you mean by - 0 care for security? |
| 12:23.19 | kreyren | CrazyTux, i.e ubuntu keeping virtualbox package that has major known vulnerability that is not resolved and as a result has been removed from debian, see https://github.com/gitpod-io/gitpod/issues/1251#issuecomment-589881514 and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 |
| 12:23.20 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/794466 in src:virtualbox (open, stretch, buster, bullseye, sid): «virtualbox: might not be suitable for stable releases due to lack of cooperation from upstream on security support for older releases»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-08-03; last modified: 2019-09-28. |
| 12:23.54 | kreyren | among others ubuntu is keep forcing their shi@@#% snaps that are inefficient and overall slow down the system and deprecated i368 architecture that makes using wine pita |
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| 12:25.00 | kreyren | and generally ubuntu's community support is full of plebs that never help and waste time by proposing ridiculious solutions that mostly make the system more broken to then enforce unneeded reinstall |
| 12:25.09 | coitusinteruptus | why is debian called debian |
| 12:25.38 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, because tornado starts with deb and ends with bian :p |
| 12:25.39 | ksk | because there was an ian who had a girlfriend named debora (If I remember correctly..) |
| 12:25.57 | coitusinteruptus | must be an inside joke |
| 12:26.16 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, probably.. that's what i was told 5 years ago |
| 12:26.33 | coitusinteruptus | and they still dont spill the beans |
| 12:26.38 | riverr | ksk, how my message was offtopic |
| 12:27.12 | ksk | riverr: it was not, and I did not indicate that. The line for you was: |
| 12:27.41 | ksk | "nope. we are living in 2020: Dispace is cheap, and you should have the spare cpu-cycles for some gzipping.." |
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| 12:28.14 | ksk | also, take a look at how many lines of logins you could store in even a 1M gzipped logile (hint: many) |
| 12:28.35 | riverr | I mean when the /var/log/auth file gets filled by stuff |
| 12:28.39 | riverr | will it remove the older lines? |
| 12:28.48 | ksk | no. it will logrotate |
| 12:28.51 | ksk | !tell riverr about logrotate |
| 12:28.54 | kreyren | or like build LFS and put apt on it like me if you don't like the base provided by debian :p |
| 12:29.06 | coitusinteruptus | live for speed awesome sim |
| 12:29.18 | kreyren | Why is apt on debian/stable unable to resolve git assuming dependency on perl? http://dpaste.com/2TXAJGQ.txt |
| 12:29.20 | riverr | <dpkg> ksk wants you to know: i heard logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 12:29.22 | riverr | tf :D |
| 12:29.22 | kreyren | might be my configuration though |
| 12:29.37 | ksk | okay, not too helpful that FAQ. there is a thing called logrotate, which renames logs from today to "logs from yestarday" and compresses them |
| 12:29.42 | CrazyTux | kreyren, what's you opinion on Debian stable based distros like MX Linux, LMDE, SolydXK etc? |
| 12:29.58 | riverr | ksk, oh, but wont the logs end up taking GBs of space? |
| 12:30.01 | ksk | riverr: in short: you do not have to worry or do anything :P |
| 12:31.01 | ksk | not really, no. since it gets compressed, and this kind of content (log entries about authentication) is very similar, so it compresses really well. |
| 12:31.34 | kreyren | CrazyTux, i like how MX Linux handles Nvidia drivers i would say that it's supperior to debian in that regard otherwise i see debian being supperion, never heard of SolydXK and LMDE being linux mint which i consider being terrible distro for simmilar reasons as ubuntu but it seems to be faster on patches while having a some what competent developers |
| 12:32.13 | riverr | ksk, hmm, is it some string compression algorithm? |
| 12:32.20 | kreyren | CrazyTux, generally on linux by using high-end distro like Gentoo/Exherbo you learn how to properly use the system and avoid breakage caused by pebcak so it's worth the time investment for those reasons |
| 12:32.26 | riverr | any idea how much less they take space compared to plain log file? |
| 12:32.35 | CrazyTux | kreyren, do you think MX is better than Ubuntu LTS? |
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| 12:32.45 | kreyren | also both of those allow you to customize the packages since you would be building them from source though a package manager which i find being a must have for me |
| 12:33.01 | ksk | riverr: factor 1000? depends on the data you compress. I suspect you heard of .zip archives? its something similar (but another algorythm) |
| 12:33.35 | kreyren | CrazyTux, code quality-wise maybe, but i woudn't be confident in recommending that over ubuntu even when i woudn't recommend ubuntu to my worst enemy |
| 12:33.54 | riverr | Yep I know zip and tar but i thought they would make it only like 3x smaller or something |
| 12:34.03 | ksk | riverr: for example, on my box I have an auth.log containing ~5000 Lines - it is about 480K on disk. after gzipping its is 58k |
| 12:34.19 | CrazyTux | kreyren, LOL. Is Ubuntu that bad? |
| 12:34.23 | ksk | that totally depends on the similarity of the data you compress. |
| 12:34.29 | kreyren | CrazyTux, don't tell them but yes |
| 12:34.47 | ksk | you could expect it to even be gzipped 58k in that case, even if it had 10k lines |
| 12:34.51 | CrazyTux | kreyren, ok |
| 12:35.05 | riverr | ksk, interesting |
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| 12:35.15 | riverr | thats pretty good difference there |
| 12:35.37 | miskatonic | the only cool thing of Mint is the mint spirit font , available in debian only as part of the tex live fonts extra package |
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| 12:54.35 | MertEtcioglu | hello everybody i have a really annoying problem please help me i can not activate my wifi connection |
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| 12:56.16 | ksk | !wifi |
| 12:56.16 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 12:56.51 | ksk | MertEtcioglu: you can triggger the various things by doing "/msg dpkg TRIGGER" where trigger for example can be "what's my wireless" |
| 13:00.27 | Achylles | I am trying to install paratext-8.0_1.44.amd64.deb on debian. But, I failed because of some dependencies. It seems that I can install it only on ubuntu and wasta-Linux as it is stated in SIL website. And I do not want to install ubuntu or wasta-Linux (ubuntu derivative) just to install this app |
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| 13:00.57 | MertEtcioglu | im new at linux i don't know what commands i must run |
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| 13:01.57 | ksk | Achylles: if that package is not part of debian, please contact its vendor for support. We cannot support third party software in here.. |
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| 13:02.32 | ksk | Achylles: a quick workaround might be getting a ubuntu chroot / lxc container or so, and deploy the app in there. |
| 13:02.42 | Achylles | ksk: I have already contected them and they said that will not support debian... |
| 13:02.56 | ksk | so, you have your answer. |
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| 13:03.29 | ksk | the creator of the software is the only one who can make it run on debian, not the other way around. |
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| 13:04.20 | coitusinteruptus | kreator good slid thrash band |
| 13:04.24 | coitusinteruptus | solid |
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| 13:04.52 | Achylles | ksk: it installs, but there are a few dependencies that fail. Then, when I issue "apt install -f" it install some dependencies and uninstall paratext |
| 13:06.05 | SerajewelKS | Achylles: you could extract the contents of the package to a directory in /opt and try running it. if it complains about missing libraries, just manually install them. |
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| 13:06.30 | SerajewelKS | Achylles: an ubuntu chroot or container would simplify it |
| 13:06.36 | coitusinteruptus | does debian have a dark mode |
| 13:07.36 | Achylles | SerajewelKS: would virtualbox be too much for that? Or I should try a container instead. |
| 13:07.50 | ksk | if you do not mind the overhead, go for it. |
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| 13:08.01 | BazookaTooth | ,v redshift |
| 13:08.02 | judd | Package: redshift on amd64 -- jessie: 1.9.1-4; stretch: 1.11-1; buster: 1.12-2; bullseye: 1.12-2+b1; sid: 1.12-2+b1 |
| 13:08.09 | SerajewelKS | Achylles: it would work. whether it is "too much" is up to you. |
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| 13:08.35 | SerajewelKS | Achylles: however, virtualbox is no longer in debian. perhaps look at virt-manager. |
| 13:08.36 | Achylles | ksk: I have no experience with containers, but virtualbox :( |
| 13:08.52 | ice99 | how can I install 'npm' on debian 9? i can only find 'nodejs' package |
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| 13:09.25 | SerajewelKS | ,v npm |
| 13:09.26 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; stretch-backports: 5.8.0+ds6-2~bpo9+1; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-4; buster-backports: 6.14.3+ds-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 6.14.4+ds-1; sid: 6.14.4+ds-1 |
| 13:09.36 | SerajewelKS | ice99: it's in stretch-backports |
| 13:10.05 | SerajewelKS | ice99: however, for npm/node you're better off installing from upstream because the versions in debian are old by node standards. |
| 13:10.20 | coitusinteruptus | debian is anagram for in a bed |
| 13:10.23 | coitusinteruptus | why |
| 13:10.42 | ice99 | SerajewelKS, sorry how to install it from upstream? |
| 13:10.52 | robi | it's because you can use your laptop in your bed without worrying that windows will eat up your battery |
| 13:11.04 | SerajewelKS | ice99: you can either use a tarball, or upstream does offer debian packages |
| 13:11.52 | robi | consider nvm. https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm |
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| 13:17.48 | ice99 | SerajewelKS, i tried this https://linuxhint.com/install_npm_debian/ but it adds broken repo |
| 13:18.33 | SerajewelKS | ice99: you probably want node 12 or 14. 8 is out of support i think. |
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| 13:18.49 | SerajewelKS | ice99: https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/ |
| 13:21.24 | ksk | ice99: install it from upstream |
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| 13:21.37 | ksk | oh, I was late. nevermind :) |
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| 13:23.24 | kreyren | How should i resolve git fatally depending on perl? http://dpaste.com/349J41H.txt |
| 13:24.09 | ksk | !bat |
| 13:24.09 | dpkg | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 13:24.11 | kreyren | Assuming this being stable channel |
| 13:24.12 | ksk | kreyren: ^ (Again..) |
| 13:24.32 | coitusinteruptus | jib jib |
| 13:26.19 | kreyren | ksk, this is the output that i can recover http://dpaste.com/2SP39MH.txt also i've added debug channels which output the commands used. apt-cache policy git is generating. |
| 13:27.45 | ksk | kreyren: the paste still does not contain the command you issued. |
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| 13:28.02 | ksk | I will refrain from clicking any more links you provide, as you are clearly wasting my time. |
| 13:29.11 | ksk | ,v python3-novnc |
| 13:29.12 | judd | Package: python3-novnc on amd64 -- buster: 1:1.0.0-1; bullseye: 1:1.0.0-3; sid: 1:1.0.0-3 |
| 13:29.14 | kreyren | ksk, i did not expect it to not output the used command for git, checking.. note that i have limited environment for diagnostics |
| 13:29.29 | ksk | furthermore, you seem to be running testing. we only support debian stable in here. |
| 13:29.33 | ksk | !debian-next |
| 13:29.33 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:29.50 | kreyren | ksk, it has testing repository on demand for shellcheck and other packages that are not present in stable |
| 13:29.59 | ksk | !frankendebian |
| 13:29.59 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 13:30.04 | kreyren | it should not be using it for anything else, checking.. |
| 13:30.05 | ksk | (again..) |
| 13:30.23 | ksk | but it does. it tries getting for example that python3-novnc in its testing version. |
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| 13:30.26 | ksk | do a reinstall, really. |
| 13:30.39 | kreyren | ksk, this is a docker environment generated from debian:stable |
| 13:30.48 | kreyren | So it reinstalls on each run |
| 13:31.04 | kreyren | ksk, apt-cache policy git http://dpaste.com/35H26Y8 |
| 13:31.19 | kreyren | checking novnc, sec |
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| 13:32.04 | kreyren | dc at 15:31:23 UTC (freenode mirror went down) |
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| 13:32.12 | kreyren | trying to appent -t stable to novnc atm |
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| 13:32.45 | ksk | sounds like your docker image is b0rken. |
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| 13:33.52 | kreyren | ksk, i know that, but i don't know why |
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| 13:34.33 | ksk | I suppose its nothing "official debian" anyways (That image) |
| 13:35.01 | ksk | so contact its creator, or create your own one. I would also suspect docker to supply actually working debian images, but what do I know. |
| 13:35.12 | coitusinteruptus | why should i use debian over ps5 ? |
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| 13:36.50 | kreyren | ksk, it seems to prefer testing repository http://dpaste.com/0WB5VY9.txt any way to force this assuming that apt.conf has `APT::Default-Release \"$RELEASE\";` already |
| 13:37.01 | kreyren | ? |
| 13:37.24 | kreyren | ksk, from debian's docker team https://hub.docker.com/_/debian |
| 13:37.29 | kreyren | -> official |
| 13:37.56 | ksk | kreyren: Im inclined to say that this are "official debian images by docker" |
| 13:38.01 | ksk | and has nothing to do with the debian team. |
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| 13:38.33 | kreyren | this is `FROM debian:stable` the LFS alternative is currently not used for debugging |
| 13:38.44 | kreyren | assuming that it has the same issue |
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| 13:39.58 | EdePopede | kreyren: doesn't even display without cloudfront scripting. ugh. |
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| 13:40.11 | kreyren | EdePopede, elaborate? |
| 13:40.23 | kreyren | want me to use different paste service? |
| 13:40.28 | EdePopede | kreyren: look into the sourcecode of your link |
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| 13:40.35 | EdePopede | no, the docker page |
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| 13:40.59 | kreyren | this? https://hub.docker.com/_/debian |
| 13:41.10 | kreyren | can't do much about it's formatting.. |
| 13:41.13 | EdePopede | this. C-u or something |
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| 13:41.27 | kreyren | confused |
| 13:41.29 | EdePopede | sure, it just says what kind of crap it is :) |
| 13:43.17 | kreyren | Seems that novnc now also refuses to install http://dpaste.com/03FCT8Y.txt |
| 13:44.03 | coitusinteruptus | debian wouldnt work on my machine.. like most linux .. no wifi driver |
| 13:44.39 | EdePopede | kreyren: "it should be possible to regenerate (clean-room!) the same tarballs used for building the official Debian images" -- has a different meaning |
| 13:44.49 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, get non-free sources if you need them |
| 13:45.00 | coitusinteruptus | hard to do |
| 13:45.06 | EdePopede | !non-free |
| 13:45.06 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. |
| 13:45.41 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, Not really.. just open /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free or generate from https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 13:45.43 | ksk | he is just trolling imho. |
| 13:45.56 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, or use non-free iso from debian |
| 13:46.04 | ksk | (asking about the best linux disto for "a gay lib" in ##linux..) |
| 13:46.12 | coitusinteruptus | im not.. i have to manually paste code to get wifi wotking. and even that doesnt work for all |
| 13:46.22 | coitusinteruptus | ksk.. that was a troll yea.. |
| 13:46.30 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, don't paste a code that you don't know what is it doing |
| 13:46.41 | coitusinteruptus | i have no choice.. just want my wifi to work |
| 13:46.46 | EdePopede | !non-free iso |
| 13:46.46 | dpkg | Packages in <non-free> are not included on official Debian CD/DVDs. See http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#nonfree for details. |
| 13:46.46 | coitusinteruptus | had to do it even on ubuntu |
| 13:46.57 | kreyren | then do what i've told you and it will most likely work |
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| 13:47.50 | coitusinteruptus | its too complicated |
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| 13:48.03 | kreyren | seems that the packages on stable are breaking where adding testing and sid seems to make apt to take the latest version -> I need to force apt to use only stable by default unless `-t release` is provided |
| 13:48.09 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, can't be stupider :p |
| 13:48.19 | Akuw | what do this line in ntp.conf |
| 13:48.23 | EdePopede | so much for the trolling issua |
| 13:48.26 | coitusinteruptus | we arent all linux hobbyists |
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| 13:49.08 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: if you're not willing to spend even basic time to your usage maybe you should ask someone to set up your box for you. |
| 13:49.10 | kreyren | would say that linux are all confident idiots which he prefers over boring mecca |
| 13:49.21 | kreyren | or however they call themself these days~ |
| 13:49.40 | ksk | kreyren: you do not just add testing and sid sources, told you multiple times and invoked the FAQtoid.. |
| 13:50.10 | kreyren | ksk, i know but i don't see any alternative assuming that debian/stable does not have the required packages for runtime |
| 13:50.13 | coitusinteruptus | no.. its to complex.. no way can i understand the code.. so i have to paste it and gamble.. worked for ubuntu at least |
| 13:50.16 | kreyren | and that this is for production system |
| 13:50.18 | ksk | we _do not_ support mixing debian releases in here, period. |
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| 13:50.31 | coitusinteruptus | then i cant run debian |
| 13:50.36 | kreyren | ksk, give me a better solution then |
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| 13:50.54 | ksk | kreyren: use an OS your software supports? |
| 13:50.59 | kreyren | that does not include rebuilding haskell and shellcheck from scratch |
| 13:51.05 | coitusinteruptus | windows 10 then |
| 13:51.13 | ksk | there is shellcheck for debian stable, I am quite sure.. |
| 13:51.14 | kreyren | ksk, environment is expected to support all distributions including debian |
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| 13:51.30 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: don't expect others to do your job. to invest more time to your problems than you are willing to. |
| 13:51.40 | ksk | then contact the softwares vendor, file a bugreport (if you are sure the error is not coming from the bogous docker image in the first place) |
| 13:52.00 | coitusinteruptus | i do invest time.. there is no way i can understand the code i pasted.. id need ten years |
| 13:52.04 | coitusinteruptus | be reasonable |
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| 13:52.11 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: if windows 10 is fine for you, then go for it. and hf with the daily annoyances and all the malware. |
| 13:52.12 | coitusinteruptus | i just want my wifi to work |
| 13:52.27 | coitusinteruptus | well if linux devs fix my wifi i wont have to |
| 13:52.30 | EdePopede | then read the links you get pasted |
| 13:52.34 | kreyren | ksk, 0.5.0 that does not work see https://github.com/gitpod-io/workspace-images/pull/204#issuecomment-614463958 |
| 13:52.49 | coitusinteruptus | im not tech savvy.. thats what u guys dont get |
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| 13:53.21 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: no, it's the company building your hardware that doesn't seem to have interest in supporting linux. |
| 13:53.21 | kreyren | So if you don't have a better solution then assume this being the best option and provide the required support.. -> i need to force apt to use stable unless specified explicitely |
| 13:53.37 | coitusinteruptus | linux job to support the hardware |
| 13:53.44 | coitusinteruptus | i have a lenovoe machine. very mainstream |
| 13:53.44 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: not everyone using debian is an IT expert |
| 13:54.06 | coitusinteruptus | lenovo idea pad 330. and NO linux had wifi support.. wtf |
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| 13:54.18 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: no, lenovo isn't "mainstream". it sells a lot, but this doesn't make it "mainstream". |
| 13:54.30 | coitusinteruptus | lol.. wats your idea of mainsteam? |
| 13:54.47 | EdePopede | ideally following open industry standards |
| 13:55.01 | EdePopede | so that default drivers would work. |
| 13:55.24 | kreyren | +1 |
| 13:55.24 | coitusinteruptus | common industry standards is more realistic |
| 13:55.29 | coitusinteruptus | +1 |
| 13:55.30 | kreyren | -1 |
| 13:55.35 | EdePopede | or have an open policy so that drivers can be written by the community, or even write their own under a free license |
| 13:55.37 | coitusinteruptus | thank for the plus @ keyren |
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| 13:55.45 | kreyren | as you can see your realism is proving yourself as futile |
| 13:55.55 | coitusinteruptus | only in linux land |
| 13:56.03 | coitusinteruptus | futility is your mantra lol |
| 13:56.06 | EdePopede | linux isn't the big money maker, it is windows |
| 13:56.10 | coitusinteruptus | get real and we'll be fine |
| 13:56.24 | coitusinteruptus | so.. compete.. dont blame others if you cant compete |
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| 13:56.31 | EdePopede | people buy computers in shops and want to just "press the button" to make it work. just like you. |
| 13:56.40 | coitusinteruptus | yes.. whats wrong with that? |
| 13:56.50 | coitusinteruptus | thats why i buy it. i dont builf it myself |
| 13:57.03 | EdePopede | nothing. only that these computers mostly come with preinstalled windows. |
| 13:57.13 | BazookaTooth | lenovo has been going to shit for a while now anyway |
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| 13:57.29 | coitusinteruptus | true.. i loved my old ideapad 230 |
| 13:57.33 | EdePopede | and so those who make wifi cards and other stuff have interest in supporting windows |
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| 13:57.36 | coitusinteruptus | not as robust these days |
| 13:57.57 | EdePopede | and so they have ND contracts with microsoft |
| 13:58.05 | coitusinteruptus | sp why dont linux understand this obvious fact, and get the drivers sorted out. it would make them more relevent and competitive |
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| 13:58.31 | EdePopede | because the internals of such hardware isn't known to anyone but the company building it |
| 13:59.20 | coitusinteruptus | doesnt take lomng to learn it.. my laptop is over 3 years old i think |
| 13:59.32 | EdePopede | just accept it, microsoft doesn't want them to support linux, they want to be supported by microsoft, and everything they build is considered as confidential by them |
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| 14:00.26 | coitusinteruptus | ok. thats a shame |
| 14:00.29 | EdePopede | you're not even willing to read some docs on how to get problematic hardware running, so better don't talk about driver development |
| 14:00.32 | coitusinteruptus | makes your job harder |
| 14:00.43 | EdePopede | the shame has a name, it's Microsoft |
| 14:00.46 | coitusinteruptus | but for the common man.. we dont want excuses.. just funcionlity |
| 14:00.49 | EdePopede | my job? surely not. |
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| 14:00.56 | coitusinteruptus | u know wat i mean |
| 14:00.58 | EdePopede | then buy supported hardware |
| 14:01.18 | kreyren | rages behind a monitor because apt is playing retarded |
| 14:01.22 | EdePopede | or have the company you throw your money for open its specs |
| 14:01.39 | kreyren | EdePopede, done |
| 14:01.39 | kreyren | :p |
| 14:01.44 | coitusinteruptus | or linux devs get their ass in gear.. and include the drivers in the iso... |
| 14:01.49 | coitusinteruptus | shouldnt take 3 years |
| 14:02.08 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, unethical to support a software that does not support four freedoms |
| 14:02.12 | EdePopede | and look into the drivers on your Win 10, they're usually not (c) Microsoft but (c) $hardwarecompany |
| 14:02.17 | BazookaTooth | or buy a 9$ wifi dongle that's known to work |
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| 14:02.23 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus <EdePopede> you're not even willing to read some docs on how to get problematic hardware running, so better don't talk about driver development |
| 14:02.27 | coitusinteruptus | i jsut want my wifi to work out of the box |
| 14:02.33 | coitusinteruptus | another fail from linux |
| 14:02.41 | EdePopede | !pebkac |
| 14:02.41 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
| 14:02.46 | coitusinteruptus | if you cant admit it. and try harder.. you will always remain in the shadows |
| 14:02.50 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, agains that's what non-free iso is for |
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| 14:03.05 | EdePopede | as told a few times before |
| 14:03.17 | coitusinteruptus | free isnt any use if it doesnt work |
| 14:03.17 | EdePopede | lack of understanding or lack of will to understand |
| 14:03.32 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: free als means you're free to not use it |
| 14:03.36 | coitusinteruptus | its a lack of will to ahve to studty for hours. just to get basic functionality |
| 14:03.38 | EdePopede | s/als/also |
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| 14:03.58 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: told you already a few times whom to blame |
| 14:04.08 | coitusinteruptus | i dont agree |
| 14:04.10 | EdePopede | or what to do to make it possibly work |
| 14:04.16 | coitusinteruptus | 3 years.. no excuse.. None |
| 14:04.24 | EdePopede | so blame them, not the people spending their spare time on writing drivers |
| 14:04.43 | EdePopede | no, no excuse. because there's no need for any |
| 14:04.48 | BazookaTooth | so fix it yourslf. no excuse |
| 14:04.55 | coitusinteruptus | windows 10 doesnt need a f ix |
| 14:05.00 | EdePopede | !lol |
| 14:05.00 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:05.01 | coitusinteruptus | lost another user lol |
| 14:05.10 | EdePopede | another troll you mean |
| 14:05.39 | EdePopede | grow up and learn to say thank you for what you get for free |
| 14:05.45 | coitusinteruptus | edepopede is anagram pf [pedofile. i cant take you seriously |
| 14:05.57 | EdePopede | and hf with microsoft support should you run into trouble :D |
| 14:06.09 | EdePopede | or the next malware that will hurt you |
| 14:06.13 | coitusinteruptus | lets face it.. only reason most people use linux is to look at kids |
| 14:06.30 | coitusinteruptus | even the linux guy said its 'ok' |
| 14:06.45 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, i use it for gaming and various development |
| 14:06.56 | coitusinteruptus | windows may 'steal' ypur info.. but who cares.. got something to hide? |
| 14:06.59 | Akuw | i have a error when try to connect to VPN |
| 14:07.00 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1142141/ |
| 14:07.09 | coitusinteruptus | gaming? lol.. can linux run automobilista 2? |
| 14:07.18 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus, i use it because it's far less annoying then windows in most aspects |
| 14:07.32 | kreyren | coitusinteruptus, i don't need to share nudes from my slaves with others :p |
| 14:07.33 | coitusinteruptus | well ok.. wjen it works i love it.. but... to many times it doesnt |
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| 14:07.52 | nifker | why do people answer trolls? I dont get it... |
| 14:08.04 | coitusinteruptus | u a troll nifker? |
| 14:08.04 | cstls | with a nick like coitusinteruptus.. |
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| 14:08.37 | coitusinteruptus | im n troll. im drunk. my wife left me. surely im allowed a drink |
| 14:08.49 | cstls | oh boy. |
| 14:09.05 | coitusinteruptus | back off |
| 14:09.10 | EdePopede | heh, i can understand her :D |
| 14:09.31 | coitusinteruptus | yea.. well her new guy will 'understand' when i punch his face in |
| 14:09.31 | BazookaTooth | back off? you're the one calling us perverts |
| 14:09.37 | BazookaTooth | fucking moron |
| 14:09.46 | kreyren | doesn't mind being called a pervert~ |
| 14:09.48 | kreyren | =~= |
| 14:09.59 | EdePopede | Perv is a nice place actually |
| 14:10.14 | coitusinteruptus | im tired of the abuse in here |
| 14:10.18 | coitusinteruptus | get real |
| 14:10.22 | BazookaTooth | so go away |
| 14:10.32 | coitusinteruptus | u go |
| 14:10.37 | EdePopede | let's see |
| 14:10.39 | coitusinteruptus | im here for healhy discourse |
| 14:10.40 | Akuw | stop figthing |
| 14:10.47 | Akuw | this channel is not fr that |
| 14:10.48 | BazookaTooth | no you're not |
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| 14:10.54 | coitusinteruptus | ure not, i am |
| 14:10.57 | coitusinteruptus | ure an asshole |
| 14:10.58 | EdePopede | !ops coitusinteruptus wants an interruption |
| 14:10.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: edepopede complains about a problem (see above) |
| 14:11.14 | coitusinteruptus | only wanted wifi |
| 14:11.15 | kreyren | Akuw, arguing is mandatory in science :p |
| 14:11.21 | coitusinteruptus | rificulous.. im going for a smoke |
| 14:11.50 | Akuw | well, useless lines of text, but anyway |
| 14:11.51 | EdePopede | coitusinteruptus: meanwhile you may want to get a copy of merriam-webster or oxford dictionary |
| 14:12.34 | kreyren | Akuw, true |
| 14:12.53 | Akuw | can somebody help with a VPN problem |
| 14:12.55 | Akuw | ? |
| 14:13.06 | kreyren | sucks at networking sorry >.> |
| 14:14.03 | EdePopede | kreyren: you have internet, that's a good start ;) |
| 14:14.24 | kreyren | EdePopede, yes and when it's not working i get PTSD and call Karel |
| 14:14.48 | EdePopede | Karel Gott? you got the wrong one i'm afraid ;) |
| 14:14.57 | kreyren | Sometimes i calm down and call ISP and force them to fix it under 10 min |
| 14:15.20 | kreyren | EdePopede, nah that one is dead, MY KAREL! i.e person who is abused for network management :p |
| 14:15.20 | coitusinteruptus | merriam webster? wwtf |
| 14:15.29 | coitusinteruptus | bloddy fool |
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| 14:15.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@2001 44c8:42c1:44a4:30eb:f07f:5c81:a9b8] by somiaj |
| 14:15.33 | *** kick/#debian [coitusinteruptus!~jaimos@unaffiliated/somiaj] by somiaj (you should know better) |
| 14:15.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o somiaj] by somiaj |
| 14:15.58 | EdePopede | somiaj: thanks and sorry for the interruption :) |
| 14:16.15 | EdePopede | (i think it's the first time ever i !ops'd) |
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| 14:16.52 | somiaj | We try to give people the beinifit of the doubt, but there was nothign redeeming in anything I read. |
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| 14:17.28 | somiaj | Akuw: think the noise lost your actual question, I would reask it |
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| 14:17.51 | EdePopede | *nod* i was hoping for an annoyed user after days of trying everything with no sleep |
| 14:18.06 | Akuw | i have a error when try to connect to VPN |
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| 14:18.10 | Akuw | https://paste.debian.net/1142141/ |
| 14:18.23 | Akuw | i check syslog and saw that error |
| 14:18.29 | Akuw | every time i try to connect |
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| 14:19.17 | somiaj | I don't see anything that helps me with that error. Have you tried to google any of those error messages? |
| 14:20.06 | Akuw | yes i am looking |
| 14:20.21 | Akuw | actually reading about libreswan |
| 14:20.29 | somiaj | Akuw: https://askubuntu.com/questions/904217/unable-to-connect-l2tp-ipsec-vpn-from-ubuntu-16-04 seems similar but they have more logs than you posted, so the actual cause maybe hidden |
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| 14:22.25 | ksk | he is asking that question in here for months now, I suggest some good ol plonking :X |
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| 15:35.28 | uniqdom | I'm getting this warning while trying to resize a partition with gparted: "Warning: Shrinking a partition can cause data loss, are you sure you want to continue?". I'm assuming that data loss could occur if the process is stopped in the middle of the operation, right? |
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| 15:36.56 | uniqdom | I mean, it while move all the files and dirs from the filesystem that are in the region that will be left outside of the new partition to a region inside, right? |
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| 15:37.47 | uniqdom | or it is just a change in the partition table, without touching the filesystem? |
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| 15:38.12 | somiaj | it could also occur if you shrink it before shirnking the filesystem |
| 15:38.22 | somiaj | or if there isn't enough space after you shrink to hold all the data |
| 15:38.35 | somiaj | you should always have a backup before you do anything like this |
| 15:38.46 | somiaj | (I'm unsure if gparted will shrink the filesystem first or not) |
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| 15:40.09 | jim | deepy, earlier, I asked a question about kill -0 pid being a test for the existance of pid, and you replied mentioning a standard... which standard? is there a link to that standard? |
| 15:40.21 | uniqdom | sorry, I mistyped the command. I'm using parted instead of gparted |
| 15:40.36 | greycat | https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/kill.html |
| 15:40.55 | jim | greycat, thanks so much :) |
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| 15:44.29 | A|an | Is it possible to rollback a specific package update? Yesterday I did an apt-get update and, among other things, it updated google-earth-pro, which I just discovered no longer works. Can I go back?> |
| 15:45.04 | greycat | !snapshot |
| 15:45.04 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 15:45.29 | A|an | thx |
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| 15:46.56 | Akuw | when modify ntp.conf have i to restart ntp service? but what is the impact |
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| 15:52.10 | A|an | For lurkers, google-earth-pro is only available (as a deb file) from Google, yet apt-get updater recognized it as needing updating...and broke it. So...don't do that. |
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| 16:25.21 | MetaNova__ | fists Akuw, grabs a turd inside of him, pulls it out and smears it all over Abdullah and abeniis and abrotman and aaro |
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| 16:25.49 | MetaNova__ | greycat: I don't wanna hear no more homophobic racist slurs! |
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| 16:32.43 | miskatonic | does aptitude also get changed? |
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| 16:34.32 | quadrathoch2 | miskatonic: hm? what do you mean? |
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| 16:35.46 | miskatonic | dpkg talks about changes of apt and apt-get. is aptitude also affected by these changes? |
| 16:35.47 | dpkg | that's too long, miskatonic |
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| 16:36.18 | SerajewelKS | miskatonic: yes |
| 16:36.33 | quadrathoch2 | miskatonic: it shouldn't get changed as apt-get apt-cache etc are just put together into one command |
| 16:36.55 | SerajewelKS | or i'm not understanding what you mean by "changed" |
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| 16:42.17 | joeatt | I need little help in buster, removed zsh, now it automatically start in sh where I cant su -, and therefore cant change /etc/passwd to /bin/bash, what can I do? |
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| 16:42.40 | quadrathoch2 | joeatt: did you try chsh -s /bin/bash |
| 16:42.43 | somiaj | miskatonic: what particular changes are you talking about, changes in package names and the repo affects both, but changes to apt/apt-get interfaces will be independet of aptitude (and as far as I know aptitude hasn't had any major changes) |
| 16:43.01 | abrotman | eh .. buster has zsh |
| 16:43.07 | abrotman | or you removed zsh yourself? |
| 16:43.22 | somiaj | joeatt: why can't you 'su -" sound like a path problem, what about '/bin/su -' |
| 16:43.30 | miskatonic | somiaj: I talk about the changes mentioned by dpkg when aked "apt suite changes" |
| 16:43.32 | abrotman | and when you use 'su, you can use -s to specify a shell |
| 16:43.33 | gorillapatch | joeatt: sounds like a path problem |
| 16:43.41 | gorillapatch | Uhh too slow |
| 16:44.16 | somiaj | miskatonic: "apt suite changes" -> "I don't know what your talking about" |
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| 16:44.47 | somiaj | miskatonic: sorry it is changed not changes |
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| 16:44.50 | greycat | dpkg apt suite changed |
| 16:44.50 | dpkg | If you were already using Debian 10 "Buster" prior to it being released as stable, or you use 'testing' in your sources.list, apt-get will complain about changes to the release information on the mirror. apt(8) will prompt you to accept changes; apt-get(8) will need --allow-releaseinfo-change |
| 16:45.01 | joeatt | https://paste.debian.net/1142198/ |
| 16:45.26 | miskatonic | oops changed , not changes |
| 16:45.47 | somiaj | miskatonic: I'm unsure if aptitude will also note that the release name changed, you could always try, but I think it would have mentioend that in the factoid if aptitude was also affected. |
| 16:46.07 | gorillapatch | joeatt: you need to specify the shell to use by using the -s switch. |
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| 16:47.02 | miskatonic | doesn't chsh ask interactively for a new shell if no -s option is given? |
| 16:47.08 | somiaj | miskatonic: though I would be surprised if you ran into this issue, unless you have an old testing box you haven't updated in about a year. |
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| 16:47.29 | gorillapatch | joeatt: su -s /bin/sh - |
| 16:47.40 | gorillapatch | joeatt: maybe |
| 16:47.41 | greycat | !buster su |
| 16:47.42 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 16:49.40 | somiaj | gorillapatch: though be careulf /bin/sh -> dash, and that shell is very limited compared to what most users are use to |
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| 16:50.17 | gorillapatch | OK maybe use /bin/bash instead. |
| 16:51.00 | miskatonic | i can do without tab completion |
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| 16:51.46 | joeatt | gorillapatch: https://paste.debian.net/1142201/ |
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| 16:51.57 | jhutchins | Anybody get skype working on linux? I have it installed, but there doesn't seem to be any way to launch/join a call. |
| 16:52.32 | sney | jhutchins: the linux client hasn't been maintained in years and is currently behind the protocol |
| 16:52.33 | somiaj | jhutchins: does skype produce a linxu binary again, at one time the olinux binary they produces was so old it wasn't compadable anymore |
| 16:52.46 | somiaj | jhutchins: I think the web interface is your best bet for skype in linux |
| 16:52.48 | gorillapatch | Well what does the manpage say? |
| 16:52.55 | sney | it still installs but it doesn't work, yeah. or I've heard that it might support audio only |
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| 16:53.18 | jhutchins | somiaj: All the web interface does is offer to download an msi. |
| 16:53.46 | somiaj | jhutchins: hmm, I dno't use skype so don't have any advise other than last I heard the web interface was how to use skype in linux |
| 16:53.55 | jhutchins | Oh, now it's prompting me to log in. |
| 16:54.06 | sney | I wonder if wine supports it. otherwise try to convince your friends to use jitsi or zoom instead |
| 16:54.53 | gorillapatch | Use Jitsi! It is open source and performant |
| 16:55.15 | somiaj | sney: winehq makes it seem like you aren't going to be able to use wine |
| 16:55.17 | gorillapatch | Use the server of init7 in Zurich or New York meet.init7.net |
| 16:55.40 | somiaj | gorillapatch: often times you don't have such choices and need to use what others are already using though. :/ |
| 16:56.14 | gorillapatch | somiaj: i know what you mean. But trying to educate people is a thing |
| 16:56.31 | somiaj | The last time I was asked to use skype, google hangouts (or some google video chat thing) is what we ended up using, though that is because where i work has a google license for all the their tools. |
| 16:57.04 | somiaj | gorillapatch: my experience is 'I can't use the software that the rest of the department/team/whatever is using can we us this instaead' didn't go over well |
| 16:58.29 | joeatt | definitely runned in trouble with shell here |
| 16:58.33 | gorillapatch | If you are late to the party no. But in this case a self hosted Jitsi server has advantages. |
| 16:59.24 | gorillapatch | joeatt: what if you try using -s and leave out the final - |
| 16:59.38 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj: did you already try the flatpak or snap package of skype? because I was using skype a week ago, on ubuntu, but sadly can't remember which 'version' it was |
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| 17:00.16 | somiaj | quadrathoch2: jhutchins: ^^ |
| 17:00.19 | greycat | So, apparently, what joeatt did was change root's shell to /usr/bin/zsh, and then remove the zsh package. The moral of this story is you DO NOT change root's shell. You leave it at the OS's default. This applies to every operating system. |
| 17:01.01 | greycat | You also DO NOT run around as root so frequently that you feel like you need a more powerful shell. Root shells should be used MINIMALLY. You get in, you fix whatever needs fixing, and you get out. No fancy customizations. |
| 17:01.03 | somiaj | and if you are using roots shell enough you want to change it, maybe think about why you are root so much. |
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| 17:02.41 | joeatt | greycat: yes I did that, please dont tell because of that I must reinstall all |
| 17:02.50 | miskatonic | would sudo avoid using a login shell for root? |
| 17:02.55 | gorillapatch | The brute force attempt is take a live CD, boot into it, mount the other root file system and then change the shell in /etc/passwd |
| 17:03.03 | greycat | If sudo is installed, use sudo. |
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| 17:03.44 | greycat | You do not need to "reinstall all". Even in the worst case, where none of the SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED work, you can still boot with something like init=/bin/bash to get out of trouble. |
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| 17:04.32 | gorillapatch | greycat: much better suggestion than my live CD. |
| 17:04.36 | quadrathoch2 | or as somebody already meantioned, use a live usb stick |
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| 17:05.13 | deepy | jim: sorry got a headache, but it's in POSIX apparently |
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| 17:05.22 | joeatt | yeah with live CD I may fix passwd |
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| 17:05.31 | greycat | booting from a live CD is fine, too |
| 17:05.56 | greycat | mount the Debian root partition, edit the /mnt/etc/passwd file, save it, unmount |
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| 17:09.19 | joeatt | ok, thank you. |
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| 17:10.29 | miskatonic | why are bash, dash, and mksh in /bin, but zsh and yash are in /usr/bin? |
| 17:10.53 | greycat | History. |
| 17:11.49 | greycat | Before initramfs, before UsrMerge, boot scripts that use /bin/sh need a shell that's in the root file system, because you need to run the boot scripts to mount /usr. |
| 17:12.06 | greycat | Since /bin/sh can point to either dash or bash, those need to be in /bin. |
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| 17:16.10 | jim | deepy, sorry to hear that |
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| 17:19.23 | demostanis | hello guys, i'm trying to dual boot arch with debian using lvm on luks. i manually set root, home and swap partitions but then it says " the installer failed to create partition on disk ".. any help? |
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| 17:20.58 | demostanis | i have this screenshot: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697332817964695582/702556587658575922/IMG_20200422_182730.jpg?width=568&height=426 |
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| 17:28.42 | userandom | hello, hello, Hola |
| 17:28.56 | sney | hi |
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| 17:29.12 | somiaj | demostanis: do you already have a lvm on the disk you are using? |
| 17:29.49 | userandom | Well, I leave lxc abandoned but this time I'll try to run at least one VM (I think it don't run it) |
| 17:29.52 | somiaj | demostanis: the last line is your error, group "volumes" not found, so sounds like you are trying to use an existing lvm but it has an incorrect name. |
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| 17:30.45 | demostanis | yes lvm is already on the disk |
| 17:31.19 | demostanis | i use cryptsetup open <disk> cryptlvm which then writes /dev/volumes |
| 17:31.35 | demostanis | it is here, but when i install debian it disappears |
| 17:32.54 | userandom | Which is UID and GID? Alike ID? |
| 17:33.04 | userandom | Or PID? |
| 17:33.11 | somiaj | demostanis: I'm not that familar with lvm, but maybe manually create all the partitions from arch on the lvm, so all you have to do is tell debian to use them vs create them? |
| 17:33.37 | demostanis | ive had already done that, it throwed the sane error |
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| 17:34.53 | demostanis | userandom: are u asking this to me? what do you mean? |
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| 17:35.51 | somiaj | demostanis: how comfortable are you with using the command line and doing a manual install (my only other suggest). Others might know the installer better, but you can manually install debian from arch. |
| 17:36.09 | somiaj | demostanis: I don't know why the installer is having trouble using your existing lvm/crypt setup. |
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| 17:36.50 | demostanis | yea i'm more used to command line, i'm using one right now... where can i find documentation on how to install debian manually? |
| 17:37.39 | quadrathoch2 | demostanis: you can just install debian the arch way with debootstrap and debian-archive-keyring on arch ;) |
| 17:37.46 | userandom | @demostanis Well, you'll see... I have problems understanding something at the first, like weak will, poor concentration, and so. But when I "catch the hand", for sure I won't let it NEVER 'til I become an expert. |
| 17:37.46 | somiaj | demostanis: look up debootstrap. You can install debootstrap inside of arch (I belive it is in arch's repos) and then debootstrap a base install into a mounted partition. After that you need to chroot into the partition and do all the stuff to isntall a kernel and make it bootable (including ensuring all the info about your encryptiion and lvm is available) |
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| 17:39.04 | userandom | @demostanis But I've used Arch. Good OS. Just a bite more complicated than Debian, you know why: you'll need to install everything from CLI (or it is what I remember). |
| 17:39.30 | demostanis | seems funnier to do than using a live usb, i'm gonna try |
| 17:39.49 | somiaj | demostanis: oh you were using a live usb and not an offical debian installer? |
| 17:39.54 | quadrathoch2 | userandom: that's just the way arch is meant to be 'played' ^^ |
| 17:39.56 | demostanis | userandom: yea but everything is well explained on their wiki |
| 17:40.13 | demostanis | i've tried both |
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| 17:40.41 | somiaj | demostanis: okay, I do know it is suggested ot use the offical installer (not live systems) so just making sure that wasn't an issue |
| 17:41.14 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj: wasn't it just the live debian installer (the screenshot?) |
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| 17:42.14 | somiaj | quadrathoch2: I am unsure, I think the debian live images are using the offial debian installer now, I just still go by use the offical installer since in the past, the live installer wasn't the same. |
| 17:42.36 | somiaj | My understanding is the live images contain both the debian installer and some installer you can use from within the live system. |
| 17:42.41 | quadrathoch2 | somiaj: as I never used the live installer ;) i also don't know |
| 17:42.57 | quadrathoch2 | yeah I think I can remember it using calamares or sth |
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| 17:43.53 | userandom | @demostanis Truth. In fact, they have one of the better wikis I ever read. Just a little problem, in my case: 1) I have a HDD which contains a Ubuntu broken install (besides I've put in it a password); 2) I can't recover that hard drive since then, and I have two disks: 1 it's where this OS is running, the other contains the corrupt install. |
| 17:44.04 | radkos | hello I'm trying to test my router's static ISP connection before sending it |
| 17:44.08 | radkos | it has the following config |
| 17:44.27 | userandom | @radkos Hi. Which test you wanna do? |
| 17:44.35 | radkos | 192.168.64.57/24 ; gw 192.168.64.3 |
| 17:45.22 | radkos | I have it connected to laptop which i gave address 192.168.64.55/24 in the corresponding interface but I don't have a ping |
| 17:46.00 | radkos | I'm trying to check whether the router is in the correct address and all the seetings are correct maybe I'm missing something with the gw part? |
| 17:46.27 | radkos | do i need to set the router's gw as broadcast on the laptop side? |
| 17:47.12 | userandom | @radkos You already tried to do a ping from terminal/bash? |
| 17:47.30 | radkos | yes |
| 17:47.44 | greycat | A router has an IP address on the internal network. That IP should be the gateway (default route) of all the other hosts on the internal net. |
| 17:47.54 | radkos | i've also tried setting the router's gw address as laptop's internal address - yet still no luck |
| 17:48.06 | greycat | That sounds absolutely backwards. |
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| 17:50.14 | quadrathoch2 | somebody knows a few things about nfs and fstab? as I can't get my nfs share to automoun on boot :/ is always saying network is not up (even with _netdev enabled) |
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| 17:52.54 | somiaj | quadrathoch2: systemd does a lot in parallel, unsure if writing a systemd mount unit that explicity waits for the network to be up would be perferable here. |
| 17:53.13 | greycat | !auto |
| 17:53.13 | dpkg | Interfaces marked "auto" are waited for by things that wait for the network to be up (like systemd's network-online.target). "allow-hotplug" means the interface is removable or not always needed, so network-online won't wait for it. |
| 17:53.16 | somiaj | quadrathoch2: and unsure if the sytemd fstab compadability will allow you to add options to fstab to wait until network is up. |
| 17:53.20 | radkos | think of the router as the host as I 'm testing router-ISP connection not the other way around |
| 17:53.35 | greycat | so, first thing is, make sure it's marked auto, not allow-hotplug |
| 17:53.55 | radkos | I'm just using a laptop as the starting point [ethernet] which connects to the router |
| 17:54.12 | quadrathoch2 | greycat: you are talking about the interface or? |
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| 17:56.07 | quadrathoch2 | greycat: thanks, that fixed the whole thing :) awesome |
| 17:57.24 | quadrathoch2 | now I have the issue, that docker needs to start after the nfs share gets connected :( |
| 18:00.15 | userandom | Well, what if I want to run lxc containers on a x32/i386? And which is the technical difference between x32 and i386? The second question I've looking for it on google, and it says that: x32, x64 are (or were) the principal, but x32 is decaying since the low capacity of process "words" in few microseconds |
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| 18:01.55 | userandom | I mean: it will work? |
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| 18:07.49 | Akuw | what is the new web application like phpmyadmin in debian 10? |
| 18:08.52 | quadrathoch2 | Akuw: phpmyadmin probably :) |
| 18:08.57 | Akuw | no |
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| 18:09.08 | Akuw | that was removed from main repo |
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| 18:09.35 | quadrathoch2 | ahh sorry, it's in the backports repo |
| 18:09.37 | userandom | how could i change my username |
| 18:09.48 | quadrathoch2 | , /nick randomnick |
| 18:10.13 | somiaj | Akuw: there was a bug that just didn't get fixed by the time of the release. Since it is just php, you can also install it form upstream. |
| 18:10.19 | rand0muser | oh, thanks |
| 18:10.49 | somiaj | Akuw: Are you needing to use this for just you, or do you have multiple users needing to manage databases over a web interface? |
| 18:10.51 | greycat | a bug in php?! |
| 18:11.13 | Akuw | just for me |
| 18:11.13 | quadrathoch2 | rand0muser: you quit too fast, so x32 is not i386. as it's a reimplementation of i386 on amd64 tech (as far as I know). and the kernel doesn't support it anymore anyway ^^ |
| 18:11.29 | Akuw | i instaled a web app but forgot the name |
| 18:11.36 | Akuw | that is very simple |
| 18:13.01 | rand0muser | @quadrathcoh2 sorry, i have a very poor quality of connection; anyway, i can run lxc containers on i386? |
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| 18:13.25 | quadrathoch2 | rand0muser: yup |
| 18:14.09 | rand0muser | @quadrathcoh2 but i was trying to say that x86 it's a "descendant" (a way of say) of x32, but more efficient. that's was i read. |
| 18:14.49 | quadrathoch2 | rand0muser: I wouldn't say it's a descendant, but probably for easier explaining it |
| 18:15.14 | quadrathoch2 | but as it is already dead, probably not too many people talk about it |
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| 18:17.49 | rand0muser | quadrathcoh2: but how I do it? in bash it says me that I must put it a name, while in the wiki of lxc it says that i must put my username (then command prompt says that is not recognized as a command) |
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| 18:19.14 | quadrathoch2 | rand0muser: can you pastebin that? |
| 18:19.22 | quadrathoch2 | the error |
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| 18:23.27 | rand0muser | @quadrathoch2 https://pastebin.com/28UagdbJ |
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| 18:25.19 | quadrathoch2 | rand0muser: well, you still need a template for the container |
| 18:25.37 | rand0muser | oh, like on QubesOS |
| 18:25.38 | quadrathoch2 | as it says so in the error message (if you want none then you need to type none in the command) |
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| 18:26.36 | riceandbeans | Please refresh my memory, what's the setting to turn on in the installer to show the d-i options? |
| 18:26.40 | riceandbeans | Something like DEBUG4 |
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| 18:32.27 | L0aD1nG | i am trying to install debian in virt-manager and i get a permission denied cause the .iso image returns to root privilages by itself |
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| 18:32.50 | L0aD1nG | i change it and the same error occurs |
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| 18:36.12 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: is your user in the libvrit group? |
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| 18:37.13 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: let me check |
| 18:37.46 | L0aD1nG | libvirt:x:123:l0ad1ng |
| 18:37.47 | L0aD1nG | kvm:x:124:l0ad1ng |
| 18:38.02 | L0aD1nG | this two lines is from /etc/group |
| 18:38.44 | somiaj | type groups, if you only recentally added yourself you may have to logout/backin |
| 18:39.17 | riceandbeans | Figured it out, DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 |
| 18:39.23 | riceandbeans | Been a few years since I had to use it |
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| 18:40.55 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: i get the same result with "groups" i dont recently added myself |
| 18:42.17 | userandom | oh god. well, how can i create it? the container of lxc? using man lxc-create it shows me the parameters of -n (for the name), -t (for the template, which i don't know what is) |
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| 18:42.50 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: hmm, unsuer where the permission errors could be then. |
| 18:43.21 | userandom | I've used Qubes OS, and it was showing about a template (i think it was alike a small .iso) |
| 18:44.38 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: might be that the libvirtd process runs by the root? |
| 18:47.51 | somiaj | no, libvritd should be allowing group members access, might be some other permissions, what is the permission of the location of your virtual disks (think it is somwehere in /var by default) |
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| 18:48.06 | somiaj | I personally put my virtual disks in /home/libvirt and had to manaully set the permisions |
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| 18:52.01 | L0aD1nG | /var/lib/libvirt/images/ thats the location |
| 18:52.43 | z3bra | Hello ! Could someone explain me quickly how setupcon(1) does to set the keyboard layout on the TTY from the XKB files ? |
| 18:52.47 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: and the permissions on /var/lib/libvirt and /var/lib/libvirt/images seem sane? |
| 18:52.47 | riceandbeans | Does order matter in a preseed? |
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| 18:54.38 | L0aD1nG | somiaj: i change the permissions to the user, but when i go to boot it from the virt-manager the permission of virtual disk and the image change back to root. |
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| 18:55.08 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: don't, they need to be setup to be controled by libvirt. |
| 18:55.45 | somiaj | L0aD1nG: actually looks like mine here are root.root, but the images inside are readable by libvrit-qemu |
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| 18:56.23 | L0aD1nG | i was using virt-manager on the past with not an issue |
| 18:56.50 | L0aD1nG | it seems strange to me now, but depended on the "Permission denied" it has to do with the privilages |
| 18:58.16 | L0aD1nG | the exact error i got in terminal i ran libvirtd with sudo : https://paste.debian.net/1142242/ |
| 18:59.23 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.31 | greycat | So, check the perms on THAT. |
| 19:01.09 | L0aD1nG | greycat: i am changing the permissions to the normal users and when i go boot from it i get the file to change the permissions back to root automatically. |
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| 19:02.07 | greycat | Did you try checking the permissions on the file that it says it can't read because of permissions? |
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| 19:10.05 | L0aD1nG | this is the error from virt-manager, and file is owned by normal user and alla permissions given... |
| 19:10.07 | L0aD1nG | https://paste.debian.net/1142248/ |
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| 19:13.58 | hansol | guys i just installed debian 10 but dont have sound on my laptop |
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| 19:15.16 | greycat | L0aD1nG: check the permissions on all of the DIRECTORIES in the path to this file. ls -ld / /home /home/l0ad1ng /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images/DEBIAN /home/l0ad1ng/OperatingSystems/ISO_images/DEBIAN/debian-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 19:15.46 | greycat | I suspect you will find that at least one of these directories is missing "other" +x permission. |
| 19:16.34 | L0aD1nG | okay give me a sec |
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| 19:20.45 | L0aD1nG | greycat: thanks a lot man. "DEBIAN" file missed the X permission after setting it to 755 worked |
| 19:20.49 | L0aD1nG | thank you! |
| 19:22.13 | L0aD1nG | now somehow i touched the /var/lib/libvirt ownership i hope i putted them back to default correctly |
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| 19:31.54 | L0aD1nG | hansol: might thats helps somehow : https://wiki.debian.org/Sound |
| 19:32.02 | L0aD1nG | s/thats/that |
| 19:32.35 | hansol | L0aD1nG thx |
| 19:32.53 | L0aD1nG | hansol: what did you actually choose to install, on the installation process?? |
| 19:33.18 | L0aD1nG | base system utilities, laptop or Desktop Enviroment too |
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| 19:33.46 | hansol | L0aD1nG it's install automaticlly |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | For most people, sound comes down to: Are you using pulseaudio, or ALSA? If pulseaudio, use pavucontrol, and make sure timidity is not installed. If ALSA, make sure you use alsamixer and UN-MUTE and RAISE VOLUME on the channels. |
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| 19:35.50 | hansol | how to check what im using ALSA or pulse ?>? |
| 19:36.13 | ksk | Hi. Do you know of something fitting tool for generating a "I want to prove to my ISP that my internet is not working"-protocol of some sorts? |
| 19:36.35 | greycat | ps -ef | grep pulse |
| 19:36.43 | ksk | I can think of putting something together in bash or so, but was wondering wether there was something ready to use.. |
| 19:37.15 | hansol | greycat i have 3 results with that command |
| 19:37.28 | L0aD1nG | one is the grep itself i think.. |
| 19:37.30 | greycat | then you're probably using pulseaudio |
| 19:37.47 | greycat | does one of them say "pulseaudio --start" or something similar? that's what I have... |
| 19:38.10 | hansol | greycat sec i will told you |
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| 19:38.46 | randomnick | Look in git or Internet. I've found tons of bs about kali. Then I get REALLY sick, and wrote: ..... without kali, without android, without windows, without mac, without S*** |
| 19:38.52 | randomnick | & it works |
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| 19:39.20 | randomnick | Forget the last: it didn't work |
| 19:39.28 | hansol | greycat, i have this 3 lines: |
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| 19:39.34 | hansol | cleopat+ 807 720 0 22:36 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 19:39.34 | hansol | cleopat+ 831 663 1 22:36 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
| 19:39.34 | hansol | cleopat+ 973 830 0 22:36 pts/0 00:00:00 grep pulse |
| 19:39.34 | hansol | cleopat+ 807 720 0 22:36 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 19:39.34 | hansol | cleopat+ 831 663 1 22:36 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=no |
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| 19:39.44 | hansol | TT sry |
| 19:39.50 | Choumou | Hello ! Do you know how keep netcat listner open after a client disconnected ? |
| 19:40.04 | greycat | you're using pulseaudio. make sure timidity is NOT installed (known bug). use pavucontrol to control volume and stuff. |
| 19:40.27 | hansol | how to sure timidity is not installed ? |
| 19:40.50 | greycat | Choumou: use xinetd or tcpserver or something similar, like a systemd --user socket-activated thingy |
| 19:41.26 | hansol | greycat, pavucontrol i check there everything is ok |
| 19:41.34 | Choumou | ok i'll look thx |
| 19:43.15 | hansol | greycat, i can see volume precentage and its moving while i watch youtube |
| 19:43.24 | hansol | but no sound |
| 19:44.28 | greycat | also check hardware (speakers are connected to the right jack, have power, volume knob is not at zero...) |
| 19:44.29 | randomnick | @hansol what problem do you have with volume? |
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| 19:45.09 | somiaj | sometimes (though don't think this happens as much anymore) with the snd_hda_intel you have to tell alsa what model you have, as that configures what ports are outputs, mic, inputs, etc. |
| 19:45.23 | somiaj | and unfourntally this requires manually adjusting the module options |
| 19:45.31 | randomnick | exactly |
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| 19:45.50 | randomnick | sometimes it depends on the configurations |
| 19:45.51 | greycat | I'm not sure if that applies to pulseaudio, though |
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| 19:46.21 | somiaj | well pulse uses alsa, which might be required to ensure that the port you are plugging into is actually the speaker port and not some other port |
| 19:46.21 | hansol | greycat, randomnick with headphones i have sound without them i dont have sound |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | pavucontrol shows "Port:" under Output Devices ... make sure it's showing something that looks correct as the output device |
| 19:46.48 | randomnick | @quadrathoch2 hi? |
| 19:46.53 | somiaj | hansol: do you have a hardware mute (some laptops have a button for that) |
| 19:47.25 | hansol | nope somiaj no.. but with xubuntu i haved same problem, and there i got sound installing few things read it in google |
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| 19:47.42 | hansol | but here i cant fix that bug i think |
| 19:48.23 | randomnick | @hansol why? do you are using debian, or not? |
| 19:48.45 | hansol | im with debian now |
| 19:48.56 | randomnick | then you could fix it |
| 19:49.17 | hansol | how to fix that ? |
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| 19:49.24 | hansol | mb i give you my laptop model to check ?? |
| 19:49.38 | somiaj | hansol: how did you fix it in xubuntu, do you recall |
| 19:49.59 | hansol | somiaj, installed few things and edided some files |
| 19:50.16 | somiaj | installed what? Edidit what files? |
| 19:50.32 | randomnick | @hansol Which files? Tell me that they wheren't config files of the system... |
| 19:50.33 | somiaj | did you edit any files in /etc/modules.d/ to change the information on the sound module? |
| 19:50.53 | hansol | i think yes |
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| 19:51.17 | hansol | randomnick, i dont remember at 100% |
| 19:51.40 | randomnick | Alright |
| 19:51.41 | hansol | with headphones now i have sound |
| 19:51.46 | somiaj | then you probably did what I suggsted above, changed the model of the snd_hda_intel module to fit your machine, this is sometimes require to get the ports to function correctly |
| 19:51.57 | hansol | like xubuntu but without them i dont |
| 19:52.46 | hansol | the netbook model is ASUS eee pc R11CX |
| 19:53.08 | hansol | have problems with manjaro, with every linux |
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| 19:53.11 | hansol | also |
| 19:53.39 | randomnick | @hansol Then it's probably the hardware. |
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| 19:54.07 | rawtaz | hi. quick question; can you still use ufw on buster and nf_tables, or is it not compatible with the default nf_tables? |
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| 19:54.49 | hansol | randomnick, but in xubuntu i have fix it |
| 19:55.01 | hansol | no way to cannot fix in debian i think or ? |
| 19:55.02 | randomnick | I have problems trying to use a pc with amd64 but, since all OSes I use I burn them in a USB, the ports are bad, the connection it's poor... but |
| 19:55.23 | randomnick | @hansol Maybe are the drivers |
| 19:56.01 | somiaj | it really sounds like you just need to adjust the modle being used for the snd_hda_intel module |
| 19:56.06 | randomnick | @hansol Ubuntu has no problems in have this soft and the other, but it has on other sides... |
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| 19:56.33 | knstn | greycat: are you retarded or something? |
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| 19:57.03 | somiaj | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto -- here is a kinda old device, but you need to basically do 'options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL' and go look up the various modles you can use for the codec for your laptop |
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| 19:57.32 | Diezel | hansol: are you using alsa or pulseaudio to manage the levels? In my alsamixer I have a slider for headphone and it was 100% default, while speakers were muted |
| 19:57.33 | greycat | %~1d going out of his way to antagonize, did the "rm -rf /" thing in another channel |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | oops |
| 19:57.47 | greycat | adds a /msg eir |
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| 19:58.17 | hansol | E: Package 'alsa-base' has no installation candidate -- ?? |
| 19:58.20 | somiaj | hansol: https://github.com/spotify/linux/blob/master/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt -- figure out what codec you have, look for it there, try different modules, maybe one will work. |
| 19:58.39 | somiaj | hansol: yea, don't follow that exactly, just the diea, what you need is the model, and to set that option for the module |
| 19:58.51 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: I think what they meant to say was "thank you for all your help" lol |
| 19:58.53 | greycat | I thought hansol already HAD working audio via headphones, and just needs to point PA to the right jack. |
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| 19:59.32 | hansol | why cant install alsa-base ? |
| 19:59.54 | greycat | because that's not a package |
| 19:59.59 | greycat | ,info alsa-utils |
| 20:00.00 | judd | Package alsa-utils (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Utilities for configuring and using ALSA. Version: 1.1.8-2; Size: 1018.8k; Installed: 2253k; Homepage: https://www.alsa-project.org/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/alsa-utils |
| 20:00.34 | hansol | but why then in forum i see i can install it with apt-get install ?? |
| 20:00.54 | somiaj | greycat: some cards don't get detected correctly and manually changing the MODEL will change how the card works, maybe it is needed to get the internal speakers to work (I have had laptops where this was needed to get sounds to work correctly) |
| 20:01.10 | somiaj | hansol: that is a ubuntu form (not debian), but it contains the basic info you need (not exact) |
| 20:01.45 | somiaj | again this is just one thing you can try, figure out what codec you are using, go look at the different MODELS for that codec, see if using a different model than the one that is being detected changes the behavior. |
| 20:02.05 | hansol | i think sound cart is Realtek |
| 20:02.45 | somiaj | hansol: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec -- you need more than just Realtek, for instance mine is ALC3234 |
| 20:03.15 | hansol | Codec: Realtek ALC269VB |
| 20:03.16 | hansol | Codec: Intel CedarTrail HDMI |
| 20:03.32 | randomnick | @hansol Then look for it in the page |
| 20:03.36 | somiaj | so look up ALC296VB, though the link I gave you is way outdated, let me get a better one |
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| 20:05.23 | hansol | how i can check i have pulseaudio installed ? |
| 20:05.30 | somiaj | hmm, seems that file was removed from the kernel source after 4.9.... |
| 20:05.37 | greycat | hansol: you already did. |
| 20:05.42 | hansol | pulseaudio is already the newest version (12.2-4+deb10u1). |
| 20:06.03 | greycat | and now you did again |
| 20:06.32 | somiaj | https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.9.219/source/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD-Audio-Models.txt -- anyways go to the ALC22x/23x/.... -- that might apply |
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| 20:06.49 | somiaj | though it almost seems as this (like lots of my knowledge) might be outdated, as I wonder why this file was removed from the kernel source. |
| 20:06.55 | randomnick | Hey, this is a question that suddenly came to me: what if I need to use much more data (connection) than a normal user? I know that I am not superhuman (I won't learn 25 careers at the same time), but, for example: I need to solve jobs of a career that I was learning, investigate this (informatics), learn a couple of things, connect various hours for that... |
| 20:07.36 | hansol | im restarting hold a minute |
| 20:07.42 | randomnick | It's like my head needs a LOT of work. It's like a d++++ |
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| 20:11.18 | randomnick | I quit too. According to the instructions on a post, like everything didn't work, I've installed some drivers, and now I must reboot. See you later. |
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| 20:12.18 | hansol | dont know what i do but now i dont have sound in headphones also |
| 20:13.08 | GenTooMan | now if my computer would boot I could find that out too.. :D |
| 20:13.11 | somiaj | https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.19.117/source/Documentation/sound/hd-audio/models.rst -- okay found where they moved this file too |
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| 20:13.16 | somiaj | hansol: what laptop did you say you had? |
| 20:13.35 | hansol | R11CX |
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| 20:13.42 | somiaj | what vendor? |
| 20:13.46 | hansol | ASUS |
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| 20:14.33 | somiaj | well I see some modules that have things like 'asus x101 fixups', as to which one will help you I'm unsure |
| 20:14.52 | hansol | just try somthening |
| 20:15.12 | somiaj | I do see modules like alc269vb-dmic and alc269vp-amic that sayy they do some mic pin fixups, but nothign that maybe your situation. |
| 20:15.38 | hansol | can we re-install all sound systems, programs ... packages ?? |
| 20:15.48 | somiaj | but anyways, I haven't seen people need to do this in a while, but you can specific specific model=foo for the snd-hda-intel card that may have luck |
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| 20:17.05 | Diezel | hansol: I know this might sound like a really stupid thing, but did you check the sound levels in a mixer? like pulsemixer if you were using pulse audio? |
| 20:17.51 | hansol | Diezel, i cant start pusemixer |
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| 20:18.16 | hansol | now installing it |
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| 20:19.03 | hansol | y i have sound in headphones |
| 20:19.08 | hansol | but no on speakers |
| 20:19.29 | Diezel | was the volume up on both? |
| 20:19.35 | hansol | yes |
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| 20:20.22 | hansol | Diezel, i see the line is moving |
| 20:20.35 | hansol | from left to right |
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| 20:20.43 | Diezel | and speakers not muted. Using alsa myself so cant say how it works on pulse but I can have volume on in Alsa and mute a channel |
| 20:20.48 | somiaj | hansol: you should pay more attention to what you have done in the past. You have already installed pavucontrol and used it to adjust mixers, you didnt' need a second program for this. |
| 20:21.04 | Diezel | somiaj: sorry, missed that part |
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| 20:21.11 | userandom | How I select the wifi usb? |
| 20:21.20 | Diezel | Bugging out of the audio issues :D |
| 20:22.08 | hansol | how i can send you screenshot ?? |
| 20:22.55 | hansol | i think we have to edit some code line's to fix it |
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| 20:24.41 | hansol | I've updated from Stretch to Buster, Sound didn't work, removing the timidity fixed my problem. |
| 20:24.49 | hansol | i see on forum |
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| 20:27.20 | hansol | the model of laptop is eee pc |
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| 20:29.42 | L0aD1nG | hansol: for screenshot you can use "scrot" |
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| 20:34.05 | hansol | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:35.09 | hansol | I solved the issue. All drivers were fine. I just needed to add my user to the audio group. |
| 20:35.09 | hansol | Code: |
| 20:35.09 | hansol | sudo useradd <username> audio |
| 20:35.29 | hansol | ?? mb this will work ? |
| 20:35.30 | greycat | Incorrect. It should be adduser, not useradd. |
| 20:36.01 | hansol | lol it works! |
| 20:36.13 | hansol | i have sound now!! |
| 20:36.30 | hansol | guys.. |
| 20:37.08 | BalooRJ | Looking for some assistance with Thunar's ability to write files to a Samba share. I am able to access the samba share in Thunar, and I can even create folders. However, Thunar does not seem to be writing files to the samba share that I attempt to copy over from my computer. Are there any specific settings or extra packages that I need to install to write in this case MP3 files to the samba share I am accessing over my local network? |
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| 20:45.38 | blackop | hi- could anyone please guide me how to set video quality while streaming youtube video on mpv via yt-dl in command line? |
| 20:45.50 | rawtaz | can someone take a look at https://pastebin.com/XP5YLriS and tell me what they think could be causing that? it's the only change i did to the firewall after installing the firewalld package. |
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| 20:47.02 | rawtaz | this is on debian buster, fresh install |
| 20:47.32 | blackop | me too :p |
| 20:49.17 | BalooRJ | blackop: Did you see this video? https://invidio.us/watch?v=FsQuGplQvrw |
| 20:49.36 | blackop | no |
| 20:49.41 | AndreasLutro | blackop: if I search for "youtube-dl quality" the top search result seems to have the answer |
| 20:49.42 | BalooRJ | blackop: Seems he is selecting the format with --ytdl-format= |
| 20:50.01 | EdePopede | b1ack0p i use --ytdl-format="best[height=720]", 1080 is already too much and 4k seems to be the new default on yt |
| 20:50.15 | blackop | i want 480p or 360p |
| 20:50.42 | blackop | when i do mpv youtube-url |
| 20:51.02 | blackop | it starts the video with 720p automatically and it is too much for this old laptop |
| 20:51.35 | EdePopede | same game, only with 480 then |
| 20:52.07 | EdePopede | though not sure how it works exactly, sometimes there's no 720p. rare, but happens. i think it gives me 360 then |
| 20:52.16 | blackop | [ytdl_hook] ERROR: requested format not available |
| 20:52.16 | blackop | [ytdl_hook] youtube-dl failed: unexpected error ocurred |
| 20:52.17 | blackop | Failed to recognize file format. |
| 20:52.17 | blackop | Exiting... (Errors when loading file) |
| 20:52.40 | EdePopede | uh. may be you have to use <= insted |
| 20:52.44 | blackop | it gives error when i add --ytdl format |
| 20:53.04 | EdePopede | what's the command? |
| 20:53.27 | blackop | mpv --ytdl-format="best[height=480]" URL |
| 20:54.17 | blackop | wrong? |
| 20:56.04 | EdePopede | looks good to me. but you may need <= and i can't imagine there's no resolution below 720p |
| 20:56.53 | jhutchins | Strange, I get no inbound audio on Hangouts. Outbound works. |
| 20:57.10 | jhutchins | Other sound in the browser works. |
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| 21:03.27 | blackop | maybe i need to install some additional things? |
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| 21:05.53 | EdePopede | b1ack0p: cpu doubler doesn't really work ;) |
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| 21:08.45 | jhutchins | Audio works in firefox. |
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| 22:15.55 | roylaprattep | somiaj: hi! |
| 22:16.01 | roylaprattep | somiaj: bug solved! |
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| 22:16.15 | roylaprattep | somiaj: roundcube-core working in buster backport |
| 22:17.16 | dvs | !prize roylaprattep |
| 22:17.16 | dpkg | gives roylaprattep a medal. |
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| 22:17.28 | carlino3 | hrello |
| 22:17.35 | dvs | they finally backported the package? |
| 22:17.50 | greycat | ,v roundcube-core |
| 22:17.51 | judd | Package: roundcube-core on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; buster: 1.3.10+dfsg.1-1~deb10u1; buster-backports: 1.4.3+dfsg.1-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.4.3+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.4.3+dfsg.1-1 |
| 22:18.08 | dvs | no, it was a dependency |
| 22:18.29 | carlino3 | i just got a new Debian 9 server. i can see that it is running kernel 4.9.0-4-amd64, and i have found some CVE's for it. |
| 22:18.50 | greycat | do you need to keep it on debian 9, or can you upgrade to stable? |
| 22:19.07 | carlino3 | as i can see, more recent versions are not available for debian 9 , is this right? |
| 22:19.21 | carlino3 | should i upgrade to latest debian version? |
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| 22:19.46 | greycat | I would upgrade to Debian 10 unless you have a specific reason NOT to. |
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| 22:20.12 | carlino3 | well, i can't install my own iso on the server, only provider's ones. |
| 22:20.21 | carlino3 | can i upgrade from debian 9 to latest 10 version/ |
| 22:20.22 | carlino3 | ? |
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| 22:20.35 | greycat | dpkg, stretch->buster |
| 22:20.35 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
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| 22:21.11 | carlino3 | thanks! i'll read. |
| 22:21.52 | sney | carlino3: also, kernel CVEs have often been fixed already in the debian release. |
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| 22:22.52 | carlino3 | sney: how can i check that? i'll update to buster anyway. but want to know. |
| 22:24.40 | sney | carlino3: for instance, here's the changelog for the kernel on the stretch system you're using right now. ctrl+f for CVE https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/l/linux/changelog-4.9.210-1 |
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| 22:24.48 | greycat | carlino3: example: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-9383 |
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| 22:25.12 | greycat | just replace CVE-* with your CVE of choice |
| 22:25.33 | carlino3 | thanks |
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| 22:25.59 | carlino3 | i'll upgrade anyway just to be safe |
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| 22:27.01 | tharkun | Good $DAY I need to do a uml diagram, What would be my weapon of choice under Debian? |
| 22:28.25 | sney | I think libreoffice draw is the usual one |
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| 22:30.39 | tharkun | sney: Thanks, since there are a lot of relationships between the different objects (if you can call them that), I was expecting something more ¿"advanced"? |
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| 22:34.17 | flayer | tharkun, umbrello? |
| 22:34.50 | flayer | tharkun, plantuml? |
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| 22:36.13 | tharkun | flayer: researching |
| 22:36.15 | tharkun | Thanks |
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| 22:37.41 | flayer | literally went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unified_Modeling_Language_tools and sorted by 'latest stable release' then checked the license and went aptitude search |
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| 22:49.20 | tharkun | flayer: Thanks I'm underslept and overworked. I should have thought about that earlier. |
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