| 00:00.37 | carlino3 | is 4.19.0 the latest kernel available for debian 10? |
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| 00:01.41 | AndreasLutro | you can get 5.4 from backports |
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| 00:09.29 | carlino3 | ok, i have installed a new kernel image. now, how configure the system to use it? |
| 00:10.19 | AndreasLutro | when you boot you'll get a menu to choose, grub will default to the newest one |
| 00:11.01 | dvs | carlino3, reboot |
| 00:11.13 | carlino3 | let's try. |
| 00:11.30 | carlino3 | so it is the bootloader who decides which kernel with be loaded? |
| 00:11.52 | sney | yep, and it sorts alphaneumerically |
| 00:11.59 | dvs | descending |
| 00:12.31 | carlino3 | good to know, thx |
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| 00:55.57 | niock | hi how could i create a vm on lxc |
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| 00:56.43 | sney | it's all covered here https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 01:38.48 | Henry151 | hey folks. I am trying to make a debian live usb thumbdrive system for my dad to use with his macbook, and my little brother to use with his lenovo flex 11. I so far have it working great on the lenovo, except the mouse touchpad doesn't work. I don't have the macbook in hand at the moment, but when we tried it earlier, he had no wifi. I had him send me a screenshot of his wifi card information to help me |
| 01:38.54 | Henry151 | figure it out, https://i.imgur.com/v2sVIV2.png and it looks like BCM43xx |
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| 01:39.46 | sney | !b43 |
| 01:39.47 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 01:39.51 | Henry151 | so anyway, I *do* have the lenovo flex 11 in hand, and i'm trying to figure out what I need to get to make the mouse work. I plugged in a USB wireless keyboard and mouse set for the moment and that worked out-of-the-box. |
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| 01:40.51 | Henry151 | sney: awesome! Thanks, I should be able to get that one going. I had a laptop once that had broadcom network hardware and so i've been through that one before (though never with a macbook, so maybe some unforseen challenges in my future) |
| 01:41.02 | sney | most laptop touchpads are just mouse devices, when one isn't that spells trouble |
| 01:41.34 | Henry151 | to be honest, I came here *first*, I haven't even googled "lenovo flex 11 touchpad linux" or anything at all, yet. |
| 01:42.31 | Henry151 | sney: ah, additionally, the lenovo flex 11 is a touchscreen/convertible device, and the touchscreen isn't working either, i would love to figure that out just for fun. |
| 01:43.01 | Henry151 | but maybe that has something to do with why it would have a different-than-normal touchpad? |
| 01:43.06 | sney | same deal, usually a touchscreen is also a mouse as far as the OS is concerned. |
| 01:43.15 | Henry151 | ah, i see. |
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| 01:43.21 | Henry151 | well neither of them work out of the box |
| 01:43.23 | sney | it might just be a cutting-edge issue where a new (in your case, backport) kernel will solve it? |
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| 01:44.08 | Henry151 | ah. I didn't think of that |
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| 02:00.24 | Henry151 | i also get a "mmc1 unknown controller version" "you may experience problems" message or something like that when booting up the lenovo |
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| 03:35.12 | sgo11 | Is this command correct? "sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 wheezy /debootstrap/wheezy/ http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/", It always failed. Thanks. |
| 03:36.53 | somiaj | !archive |
| 03:36.53 | dpkg | from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:37.25 | somiaj | sgo11: I think the debian-archive is the problem |
| 03:37.28 | somiaj | !wheezy sources.list |
| 03:37.28 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
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| 03:54.46 | sgo11 | somiaj: thank you very much for you reply. what can I do to use it with debootstrap? I am new to debootstrap too. I just want to run wheezy to compile something. thanks. |
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| 04:02.23 | somiaj | sgo11: your mirror is wrong, that is what I said |
| 04:02.38 | somiaj | sgo11: there is no debian-archive in the mirror url |
| 04:04.25 | sgo11 | somiaj: ok. so which mirror should I use? I don't see wheezy from http://deb.debian.org/debian/. I was just following https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap. Thanks a lot. |
| 04:04.58 | somiaj | the bot told you the exact mirror to use. |
| 04:05.11 | somiaj | http://archive.debian.org/debian |
| 04:05.34 | sgo11 | somiaj: thanks a lot. :) I will try it now. |
| 04:05.35 | somiaj | And I told you exactly what was wrong with what you typed. 'there is no debian-archive in the mirror url' |
| 04:06.00 | sgo11 | ok, sorry. :) |
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| 04:08.16 | somiaj | no need to be sorry, I just like to point things out so people can learn to understand what is said better |
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| 04:11.53 | sgo11 | ^_^ cool. thanks a lot for the help. I just didn't understand at the beginning. I am running with the new URL, with my slow network, I guess it will be a long time. |
| 04:12.36 | somiaj | it has to downlaod maybe 500megs of stuff |
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| 04:15.03 | sgo11 | ok.. that will be a day. I need to change to another VPN then. My fast VPN IP is just blocked today. |
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| 04:18.37 | somiaj | might be less if it is compressed |
| 04:19.13 | somiaj | actually priobably is less, my buster chroot is 350megs, so maybe 200-300megs (depending on if it is compreassed) |
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| 04:34.06 | sgo11 | !pastebin |
| 04:34.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 04:39.33 | somiaj | sgo11: you can /msg dpkg pastebing (or whatever factoid) to get the info if it isn't part of a question or conversation |
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| 04:44.58 | ViperXL75 | So you find yourself sitting in front of your monitor and staring at a service that's running mysteriously, but u have no clue how it started. :P |
| 04:45.33 | somiaj | many services are started by hooks |
| 04:45.42 | BazookaTooth | ViperXL75: not when some distros enable services as soon as you install them |
| 04:45.43 | ViperXL75 | hooks 0_o |
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| 04:46.00 | ViperXL75 | the fun thing is. I know that i installed this service myself ages ago |
| 04:46.18 | ViperXL75 | systemctl | grep -i vnc -> shows "vnc.service load active running at startup" |
| 04:46.54 | ViperXL75 | yet systemctl vnc.service restart -> gives the error Unknown operation vnc.service |
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| 04:47.20 | ViperXL75 | as if it "sees" it. But I cant make systemctl "talk" to it. Or so? |
| 04:47.54 | somiaj | ViperXL75: what have you tried, what is the output of 'systemctl status vnc' |
| 04:47.58 | somiaj | use paste.debian.net |
| 04:48.27 | ViperXL75 | ah |
| 04:48.57 | sgo11 | somiaj: oh, sorry, I don't know that. my Debootstrap failed again. this is the full log. http://paste.debian.net/1142355/ Can you please take a look? thanks a lot. |
| 04:49.20 | ViperXL75 | http://paste.debian.net/1142357/ |
| 04:51.17 | somiaj | sgo11: what os you running this from, that segmentation fault at the end seems you might have some underlying issues |
| 04:51.59 | somiaj | ViperXL75: that is not the command I asekd for. YOu aren't using systemctl correctly. You have to do 'systemctl command service' but you are doing systmctl service command -- that of course fails |
| 04:52.13 | somiaj | ViperXL75: systemctl status vnc, systemlctl stop vnc, systemctl restart vnc, etc |
| 04:52.23 | ViperXL75 | ah |
| 04:52.54 | ViperXL75 | *facepalm* |
| 04:52.55 | ViperXL75 | thanks |
| 04:53.11 | ViperXL75 | it worked. |
| 04:53.33 | sgo11 | somiaj: I am running debian 10.3. |
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| 04:56.11 | somiaj | sgo11: I just ran a test and got the same issue, seems something is wrong with the wheezy binaries that you cannot run a wheezy chroot from buster (might be too old) |
| 04:56.19 | somiaj | sgo11: in this case you are gonna ahve to fire up a vm |
| 04:57.14 | sgo11 | somiaj: ok... after all, i have to use a vm.. thanks a lot for your help. |
| 04:59.06 | somiaj | okay the issue is bash in wheezy is having a segmetation fault, but if I use dash it works. |
| 04:59.41 | sgo11 | any easier vm system than vagrant+virtualbox? |
| 04:59.45 | somiaj | so for me I got the same error you did, the system is mostly there, you can chroot with dash, might have to use a limited shell to use the chroot. I don't know enough to figure out why bash in wheezy is having a segfault on buster |
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| 05:00.13 | somiaj | virtualbox is probably the easiest for most people but not in debian. I use qemu-kvm with libvirt, I prefer virsh, but virt-manager is a gui front end to libvirt |
| 05:00.28 | somiaj | ,v bash |
| 05:00.29 | judd | Package: bash on amd64 -- jessie: 4.3-11+deb8u1; jessie-security: 4.3-11+deb8u2; stretch: 4.4-5; buster: 5.0-4; bullseye: 5.0-6; sid: 5.0-6 |
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| 05:01.55 | somiaj | sgo11: okay I found a fix, but you will have to add an option to your kernel and reboot. |
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| 05:02.25 | somiaj | Seems in kernels 4.10 and later an option was used that breaks glibc < 2.14 (which is what wheezy uses). But you can revert this change by booting with 'vsyscall=emulate' |
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| 05:03.12 | somiaj | so if you boot your kernel with the 'vsyscall=emulate' option, you should be able to run glibc < 2.14 on your modern kernel and then be able to use a wheezy chroot. |
| 05:03.24 | somiaj | depending on your use case, a vm might be the best call so you are using a wheezy kernel |
| 05:03.35 | somiaj | here is the bug report I found, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=875981 |
| 05:03.36 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/875981 in sbuild (open): «sbuild: creation of wheezy chroot fails with segfault»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-09-16; last modified: 2018-02-24. |
| 05:04.44 | sgo11 | somiaj: thanks. will add 'vsyscall=emulate' affect anything in the future? should I remove it after I complete the task? |
| 05:05.27 | somiaj | I don't know enough to know what LEGACY_VSYSCALL_NONE vs LEGACY_VSYCALL_EMULATE is, I think it was removed because in most cases it isn't needed to run older glibc |
| 05:05.45 | somiaj | I don't know if it will cause any other issues, here is the bug which is why it was changed |
| 05:05.58 | somiaj | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852620 |
| 05:05.59 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/852620 in linux (closed): «linux: activate CONFIG_LEGACY_VSYSCALL_NONE ?»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2017-01-25; last modified: 2017-07-05. |
| 05:06.19 | sgo11 | ok, thank you very much. :) |
| 05:06.27 | somiaj | seems there are some links there about it 'weakens the kernel', exactly how I woudln't know, so probably best to remove it once your are done, or just use a vm |
| 05:07.17 | somiaj | someone in the bug report said 'minor weakness', so totally up to you what you think is the best solution to this issue |
| 05:08.20 | sgo11 | I think I will just use a vm. I only have experience with virtualbox. But my current machine hasn't install any vm tools yet. I am googling libvirt as you recommended. |
| 05:10.24 | somiaj | you can install qemu-kvm and virt-manager from debian repos. For virtualbox, you need to go upsteam (though I think they have a reasonablly good repor and .deb packages for it) |
| 05:10.38 | somiaj | We just cannot support issues with virtualbox here, though many use it just fine in debian. |
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| 05:11.42 | somiaj | I say use the one you are most familar with. I am glad I swtiched to libvirt/qemu-kvm as it is native in the linux kernel and doesn't have oracle's fingers on it. though that being said, personal preference, nothing wrong with virtualbox (often the biggest hurdel will be ensuring you can build the virtualbox module since it isn't native to the kernle) |
| 05:12.29 | sgo11 | ok, thanks. I have experience with vgrant + virtualbox before. :) I think I will try libvirt/qemu-kvm this time. |
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| 05:15.16 | sgo11 | cd |
| 05:15.24 | sgo11 | oh, sorry. wrong keyboard. |
| 05:15.32 | ViperXL75 | So... i found out that I'm using Xwayland |
| 05:15.55 | ViperXL75 | is that something new for Debian10 |
| 05:15.55 | ViperXL75 | ? |
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| 05:16.27 | somiaj | ViperXL75: wayland has been in debian as a technology preview for a few releases. Buster is the first release that gnome uses it by default. Other de's don't use it |
| 05:17.02 | somiaj | you can choose the old xorg session for gnome if you don't want to use waylend (some apps just don't work in it, but all gnome stuff should) |
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| 05:17.58 | ViperXL75 | ah. -mindblown- *Viper discovers that there are options and one of them is Wayland* |
| 05:18.16 | ViperXL75 | aaaaaand right in that moment... that moment of total awe on my discovery..... wife calls to come down to eat. -_- |
| 05:18.21 | ViperXL75 | I'll be back later |
| 05:18.25 | ViperXL75 | thanks so far. |
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| 06:34.06 | Henry151 | how to set up automatic login with no password? I actually set it up already, my question is how did i do it, so that i can un-do it |
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| 06:35.17 | mandeep | do you actually have a password? |
| 06:35.36 | Henry151 | so, i set it up so that it automatically logs in as a user called "user" without asking for a password |
| 06:35.52 | Henry151 | however, if i try to log in as that user, and leave password blank, it says wrong password |
| 06:36.02 | Henry151 | normally, i start it up, log out, then log in as henry |
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| 06:36.19 | Henry151 | but i want to just have the login screen at startup instead of automatic login |
| 06:36.30 | Henry151 | this is a custome debian live usb thumbdrive setup |
| 06:36.35 | Henry151 | custom* |
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| 06:37.10 | mandeep | is there a specific package i should be using for vulkan on amd gpu? |
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| 06:50.06 | Henry151 | is this maybe something i set up when i originally created the thing and cannot change? the system is a live usb but it has good persistence, i can install programs, modify files, etc and it persists through |
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| 06:50.26 | somiaj | Henry151: usually this is done with the display manager, what display manager do you use? |
| 06:50.31 | zazagx | hi |
| 06:50.41 | Henry151 | i think it's lightdm? i can check |
| 06:50.59 | somiaj | oh it is a live system, live systems autoloing by default, unsure how live systems do this, but autologins are most commonly done by a display manager |
| 06:51.20 | Henry151 | ah! ok! |
| 06:51.55 | Henry151 | i'm feeling like i'm moving in the right direction here. So it's not something I explicitly "set up" it's just default behavior for debian live systems. |
| 06:52.08 | Henry151 | Any known way to disable it? |
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| 07:30.27 | nvz | Henry151: first you gotta figure out whats doing it |
| 07:30.32 | nvz | dpkg, which dm? |
| 07:30.32 | dpkg | To figure out which Display Manager you are using, open a terminal and type the following command: `systemctl status display-manager` see also <which de> and <which x>. |
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| 07:32.04 | kreyren | Is this sufficient to set apt's default release ? `APT::Default-Release "stable";"` |
| 07:32.14 | kreyren | meaning adding a new file to apt.conf.d file with this content |
| 07:32.24 | kreyren | (apt doesn't seem to recognize it) |
| 07:33.51 | nvz | kreyren: well I dont fool much with apt config but stable isnt tecnically a release its a branch of development |
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| 07:34.03 | nvz | on the mirrors these are aliased.. but they're not releases |
| 07:34.57 | kreyren | nvz, so trying buster? assuming that this environment has stable, testing and sid sources in sources.list where it's expected to use stable unless others are called on demand |
| 07:35.15 | kreyren | where it's currently using testing/sid on apt upgrade |
| 07:36.07 | nvz | idk.. but you can't really go backwards |
| 07:36.37 | kreyren | i don't want to go backwards i want it to not use testing/sid even when it has the sources for them |
| 07:36.39 | nvz | I am on sid, and probably going back to stable but I'm going to reinstall |
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| 07:37.28 | nvz | well good luck with that.. idk about it, and wouldnt ever do it.. its a bad idea |
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| 07:37.57 | nvz | I only ever put in sid deb-src lines for backporting, I dont mix, I dont endorse mixing, its not supported |
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| 08:08.03 | nvz | well IAFT.. says my wires should be here today |
| 08:08.24 | nvz | they seem to have been delivered by bugs bunny |
| 08:08.38 | nvz | who knew he should've taken that left turn and alberquerque |
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| 08:09.51 | nvz | took em a week to even start shipping, then it went from NC to SC and back to NC |
| 08:10.54 | nvz | but says it scanned into Pleasant Valley less than an hour ago.. so it should be delivered today |
| 08:11.34 | nvz | thats just south of fairmont.. about 20-30min drive |
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| 08:12.13 | nvz | I used to stay at a lil no-tell motel down there.. was dirt cheap, had wifi.. |
| 08:12.32 | nvz | anytime we worked to the south I'd just stay there and not make the whole trip |
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| 08:14.31 | nvz | still says friday.. but if they can't get it here today they are just pissin around |
| 08:15.15 | nvz | its 4am.. it was scanned in an hour ago.. they got plenty of time to get it on a truck and up here today.. |
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| 08:20.53 | laughingtiger | hi, I'm unable to install virtualbox on debian 10, I did installed kvm, but with windows10 as guest OS, the graphic is too slow. virtualbox tells me to run vbox-config but it repeatedly asks root password for 6 times or so, then stuck at building kernel module. |
| 08:21.46 | nvz | you'll need kernel headers installed for that |
| 08:22.21 | nvz | I had no issues with virtualbox, I just fetched it from their website, works fine for me |
| 08:22.26 | laughingtiger | nvz, but it's installed |
| 08:23.16 | nvz | shrugs.. you need to be more detailed and probably ask in the virtualbox channel |
| 08:23.22 | ksk | works fine over here, too. |
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| 08:23.42 | ksk | Do you have a log or so? If I remember correctly, the install/"give password dialog" spawns a shell? |
| 08:24.12 | laughingtiger | ksk, idk which log file to check even. |
| 08:24.39 | ksk | the shell spawned by the installer containing the details of a failed "kernel module build" for starters :) |
| 08:25.00 | laughingtiger | and vmware gives error "could not open /dev/vmmon:no such file or directory.please make sure that the kernel module vmmon is loaded" |
| 08:25.09 | ksk | one problem at a time, please. |
| 08:25.31 | laughingtiger | then "failed to initialize monitor device" |
| 08:25.42 | ksk | Be aware that both vmware and Virtualbox are third party software, and not part of debian btw.. |
| 08:26.20 | laughingtiger | ksk, I know that, can reinstall debian solve this problem? |
| 08:26.31 | ksk | Do you plan on running 3D-accelerated stuff inside the VM? I dont think that this would work in vmware/virtualbox. |
| 08:26.39 | laughingtiger | looks like sth serious is wrong |
| 08:26.53 | ksk | laughingtiger: we dont really have any details regarding this problem still.. |
| 08:27.26 | laughingtiger | ksk, 3D-accelerated? probably not, I just need windows to run some software that can't run under wine on debian. |
| 08:27.59 | ksk | then, how are the "graphics too slow"? |
| 08:28.02 | laughingtiger | ksk, but I don't know more details. so I'm just going to reinstall debian. see if this works. |
| 08:28.04 | laughingtiger | :D |
| 08:28.19 | ksk | If you did not break it before, it wont change anything. |
| 08:28.38 | laughingtiger | ksk, like when moving the mouse it isn't smooth. |
| 08:28.43 | ksk | And you in general do not break anything, if you stay away from invoking a root-shell and doing things you do not understand. |
| 08:29.16 | laughingtiger | ksk, this system has been running for too long, I can't even remember what have I done to it. |
| 08:29.57 | ksk | the problem you have in kvm is "missing 2d acceleration" - I would assume its a known thing and you would find how to get it on the webs. |
| 08:30.22 | ksk | I would maybe suggest going that road, but there is nothing wrong with Virtalbox et al. per se. |
| 08:30.28 | laughingtiger | ksk, I didn't know that. let me give that a try. |
| 08:30.39 | laughingtiger | ksk, thank you for that. |
| 08:30.51 | laughingtiger | if that works, I don't need virtualbox then. |
| 08:30.57 | ksk | like, in virtualbox its a checkbox in the settings "enable 2d acceleration" and that afaik also works if you use the kvm hypervisor in virtualbox, so.. |
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| 08:32.45 | no_signal | "missing 2d acceleration" message might be resolved by installing virtualbox tools thing (forgot how it's called) on the guest |
| 08:33.13 | no_signal | "addon" something |
| 08:33.22 | laughingtiger | ksk, yeah, thank you. I'll find it. |
| 08:33.32 | ksk | no_signal: he is running (plain?) kvm. |
| 08:34.04 | laughingtiger | see you |
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| 08:35.37 | thms | Hi. General question here. The Amavis Debian packages logs to syslog because it's "preferred". May I ask why would that be ? |
| 08:37.34 | ksk | ,info amavis |
| 08:37.35 | judd | No package named 'amavis' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 08:37.57 | ksk | ,info amavisd-new |
| 08:37.58 | judd | Package amavisd-new (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters. Version: 1:2.11.0-6.1; Size: 926.0k; Installed: 2725k; Homepage: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ |
| 08:38.25 | ksk | thms: I would assume its a relict of the days before we had journald, and syslog was the default logging-target for daemons in debian. |
| 08:38.27 | thms | It's not the buster package tho. An old version, don't know if latest version still does that. |
| 08:38.40 | ksk | ah okay, that would be something to check-out then :) |
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| 08:39.30 | ksk | before there was journald, daemons either wrote logfile themselves (apache2 for example) or use syslog. |
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| 08:39.57 | ksk | (I am sure you could configure apache2 to log to syslog ;) |
| 08:40.09 | thms | To me a logfile per service is preferred rather than having everything in syslog |
| 08:40.47 | ksk | I can relate. On Buster you would not even have a single file, but the holy systemd-journal ;) |
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| 08:41.41 | ksk | thms: if the service has its own logger just go for that? If not, there is not really much you can do in the first place? |
| 08:41.53 | thms | Well speaking of systemd... I did a buster upgrade recently. It swicthed to systemd. But I had to disable systemd-logind |
| 08:42.05 | thms | because ssh or logging in would take ages (10+ seconds) |
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| 08:42.40 | ksk | I have that running on the boxes I ssh to regularly, would need more details to debug that. |
| 08:42.43 | thms | ksk: yes it has. It's just the file said it's preffered, was wondering why. I will do. :) |
| 08:43.18 | ksk | not sure if there even is a policy for "How should daemons log" in debian, or if anyone just does as she/he seems fit |
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| 08:47.37 | depesz | hi. i might have stupid question. given .iso file how to I make it bootable usb? wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall#Creating_a_Bootable_Debian_USB_Flashdrive) suggests using "rufus", but i don't see it in "apt-cache search", and website seems to have only .exe file for rufus? |
| 08:48.08 | ksk | depesz: a official debian installation image? |
| 08:48.12 | ksk | !tell depesz about usb install |
| 08:48.38 | ksk | basicly, its "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb" if sdb is your usb-drive |
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| 08:48.53 | depesz | ah. thx |
| 08:48.58 | ksk | (if it is not the correct drive, you will destroy your data, be careful) |
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| 08:49.01 | thms | ksk: I unmasked systemd-logind but do not get the error anymore. I'll have to learn more about systemd tho. :) Thank you for ur input! |
| 08:49.11 | ksk | thms: welcome. |
| 08:49.12 | riverr | I have script which runs one command every 10 seconds as root. Auth log is getting spammed with those sudo logs, is there something I could do about this? |
| 08:49.25 | ksk | riverr: ignore it :) |
| 08:49.50 | riverr | ksk, sure but its so frequent so I thought it would be good to disable it |
| 08:49.59 | ksk | give it a week, take a look then at how much diskspace is taken by all the aut.logs - it wont be too much :) |
| 08:50.00 | riverr | I wanted to ran the script as root but it doesnt suit my purposes |
| 08:50.26 | riverr | also inspecting auth log becomes harder when there is same log every 1s |
| 08:50.27 | riverr | 10s* |
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| 08:50.56 | ksk | if you call sudo this gets logged, I dont know of a configurable workaround (or that this would be a wise design-choice - after all you -do- want to know if someone used sudo) |
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| 08:51.26 | riverr | I allowed the sude command in sudoers file to be ran as any user |
| 08:51.31 | riverr | its basically iptables -Z -L |
| 08:51.40 | riverr | so its safe and I wouldnt need any logs of it xd |
| 08:51.52 | ksk | we have some alternatives on how to run that. |
| 08:52.01 | ksk | have you considered creating a systemd unit file? |
| 08:52.18 | ksk | and, may I ask what that command does? resetting counters or so? |
| 08:52.34 | riverr | yes I have 2 commands, one which checks iptables and resets counters |
| 08:52.43 | riverr | one which does "sudo ipset list" |
| 08:53.10 | ksk | do you know of systemd (units)? |
| 08:53.23 | ksk | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
| 08:53.34 | riverr | yes I know them, I used them few times but wait i cant remember now what was the problem |
| 08:53.58 | riverr | oh yes |
| 08:54.00 | riverr | the problem was |
| 08:54.03 | ksk | ah, you want every 10s. |
| 08:54.16 | riverr | the thing is basically nodejs script which has loop every 10s |
| 08:54.42 | ksk | nodejs executing iptables? |
| 08:54.43 | riverr | but my problem was. I have nodejs installed with nvm, so when I do sudo node, the node is not in the PATH |
| 08:54.46 | riverr | ksk, yes |
| 08:54.58 | ksk | lol no. please never ever do run node as root. |
| 08:55.17 | riverr | currently it runs as normal user and executes those few commands with sudo |
| 08:55.22 | riverr | which are in sudoers |
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| 08:55.34 | ksk | okay, Im glad to hear that :) |
| 08:55.42 | riverr | the commands have NOPASSWD so it works |
| 08:55.46 | riverr | only problem is those annoying logs |
| 08:56.02 | ksk | yeah. I dont see another way though tbh. |
| 08:56.13 | ksk | maybe have a second service which provides that information, dumps it to JSON |
| 08:56.23 | riverr | https://stackoverflow.com/a/14278264/10324719 |
| 08:56.30 | ksk | let then node parse that json (read from file, API, whatnot..) |
| 08:56.32 | riverr | any thoughts about that? |
| 08:56.42 | riverr | I dont understand the syntax |
| 08:56.47 | riverr | Defaults!SCRIPT !syslog |
| 08:56.58 | ksk | man sudoers I assume. but who understands that, I agree :D |
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| 08:57.19 | ksk | see my remark about just giving node that information via some sorts, and not having it call iptables by itself. |
| 08:58.10 | riverr | Hmm I dont know, seems pretty complicated and there would be more places which might break |
| 08:58.15 | ksk | like, run "iptables -Z -L > /my/iptableslog" every 10s. then make node read that file. |
| 08:58.22 | riverr | welll |
| 08:58.28 | riverr | that seems pretty simple tbh |
| 08:58.34 | riverr | interesting |
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| 09:00.37 | ksk | then again, having many lines in auth.log might not be a problem in the first place :) |
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| 09:02.25 | ksk | reading the webs it might be you can tweak pam to not log user elevation. But thats pretty deep in-system changes and the field may not be trivial. |
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| 09:12.38 | riverr | ksk, looks like there is 3 logs logged to auth log when I do the sudo iptables command, root session open, root session closed then the one which has the command |
| 09:12.54 | riverr | the command log can be disabled with that stackoverflow thing i posted but there is still all those root auths |
| 09:12.56 | riverr | logged |
| 09:13.06 | ksk | kk. |
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| 09:18.04 | riverr | ksk, what about option of creating 2 files chowning them to root |
| 09:18.12 | riverr | and setting SUID to them |
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| 09:28.02 | riverr | never mind SUID doesnt work on bash scripts |
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| 09:43.30 | nvz | you can do sudo -v to auth once and then further sudo commands willnot require auth until you sudo -k |
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| 09:59.21 | duso | Evening, I am having a wierd issue with the debian netinst iso. It will only boot in mbr legacy mode. I wrote arch linux iso to the same usb, booting in the same computer, and it EFI boots. What am I doing wrong? |
| 10:00.08 | duso | I have tried creating the USB with both dd and just cp the file to /dev/sdb |
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| 10:19.19 | sgo11 | i, I just realized that my "df -h" only shows tmpfs. why? How to check how much space left for the system? Thanks. |
| 10:19.25 | vlt | duso: Not sure if needed but have you tried desabling SecureBoot? |
| 10:19.41 | vlt | *disabling |
| 10:19.50 | duso | Yes, it is disabled |
| 10:21.04 | duso | I've installed debian many times, I do not know why I am suddenly getting this issue. Could it be a bad netinst image? |
| 10:21.25 | vlt | duso: Check the md5sum. |
| 10:21.29 | duso | maybe I will try and find an older one and see it if gives me this grief |
| 10:21.34 | duso | I did |
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| 10:22.04 | vlt | duso: Then I'm out of ideas :-) |
| 10:22.04 | sgo11 | I am very sorry, please ignore my last question. Wrong channel.. |
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| 10:23.12 | duso | vlt: thanks for trying, sometimes when you've been bashing your head against the keyboard for too long it helps to just hash out options. IRC is good for that |
| 10:23.14 | VinPop | hey how do i know what my CPU infrastructure is? |
| 10:23.32 | nvz | your what now? |
| 10:23.33 | VinPop | so i can download the correct Debian image file |
| 10:23.43 | duso | VinPop: type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 10:23.43 | vlt | VinPop: Have a look at /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 10:23.45 | VinPop | Processor infrastructure |
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| 10:23.49 | nvz | VinPop: what kind of machine is it? |
| 10:23.56 | VinPop | Desktop |
| 10:24.00 | nvz | its amd64 |
| 10:24.05 | nvz | or its not supported |
| 10:24.05 | VinPop | Thanks |
| 10:24.35 | nvz | chances you have some s390, sparc or something and dont know it are slim |
| 10:24.35 | VinPop | Intel Core i5 if it helps |
| 10:24.41 | nvz | yes, thats amd64 |
| 10:25.05 | VinPop | alright thanks and one more thing |
| 10:25.10 | VinPop | Debian is just Debian right? |
| 10:25.17 | VinPop | it doesn't have any flavors or anything |
| 10:25.21 | VinPop | it installs as base |
| 10:25.49 | nvz | yes and the installer has tasksel with various tasks of additional packages you can select |
| 10:26.09 | nvz | which include additional standard system utils, 7 different desktop environments, etc |
| 10:26.19 | nvz | !buster |
| 10:26.19 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 10:26.22 | nvz | erm |
| 10:26.23 | VinPop | which one is the most minimal and customizable |
| 10:26.37 | nvz | can't even remember my own factoid |
| 10:26.49 | duso | there are different flavors of live cd's that you can also install from |
| 10:26.56 | nvz | !de usage |
| 10:26.56 | dpkg | i guess de usage is The HDD/RAM of the 7 DE on Stretch: GNOME 4.2G 726M, KDE 4.1G 604M, Cinnamon 3.7G 482M, MATE 3.1G 215M, LXQt 3.1G 184M, LXDE 3.0G 180M, XFCE 2.9G 226M. For Buster usage, package lists, and screenshots of the same see http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster |
| 10:27.25 | nvz | VinPop: there are size usages, screenshots and package lists on my site there http://iamcowhearme.mooo.com/buster |
| 10:27.43 | nvz | VinPop: I personally would recommend MATE, Cinnamon, or XFCE |
| 10:28.00 | BazookaTooth | mate beat xfce on ram? since when? |
| 10:28.30 | nvz | those were recorded on Stretch.. if you look at the site, thats for initial buster release |
| 10:28.34 | nvz | there are differences |
| 10:29.00 | VinPop | i tried installing Void but i couldn't |
| 10:29.04 | VinPop | issue with UEFI and BIOS |
| 10:29.33 | nvz | yeah, idk what that is |
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| 10:29.56 | VinPop | imagine Arch but even more quirky |
| 10:30.01 | VinPop | and that's basically Void |
| 10:30.15 | nvz | can't imagine Arch |
| 10:30.28 | BazookaTooth | use arch then and it won't be so quirky |
| 10:31.00 | nvz | idk weirdest shit I seen is guixSD.. ran through that in a VM just had to see it with my own eyes |
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| 10:32.04 | VinPop | weirdest thing i seen was |
| 10:32.06 | VinPop | Exherbo |
| 10:32.43 | nvz | well I been here using and supporting debian since like 2002.. and its because of these |
| 10:32.47 | nvz | !why debian |
| 10:32.47 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 10:32.51 | nvz | !social contract |
| 10:32.51 | dpkg | The Debian Social Contract is the document that defines Debian's purpose, see http://www.debian.org/social_contract Summary: Debian is a 100% free software platform suitable for running all software. |
| 10:33.38 | nvz | all linux distributions are the same for the most part.. the communities and their priorities are what matter |
| 10:34.08 | nvz | the sooner potential linux users realize that and find a community that has similar goals to their own, the happier everyone will be |
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| 10:36.30 | BazookaTooth | ^ :) |
| 10:37.45 | BazookaTooth | just quit using arch support when you don't use arch or debian when ubuntu or mint has failed you |
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| 10:38.09 | nvz | though I also don't believe you need to have sex with everyone on the planet or at least all the ones you meet to try come across one that just magically suits you.. and its kinda the same thing as people do when they hear of linux and realize there is more than one distribution |
| 10:38.35 | BazookaTooth | "well it's based on..." |
| 10:38.37 | nvz | its like a boy realizing after that first time.. wait.. there are more of these-- EVERYONE HAS ONE? :P |
| 10:39.21 | nvz | it requires effort and commitment.. |
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| 10:39.44 | nvz | if you want OOBE use Windows, MacOS, or someone who cares about that |
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| 11:35.48 | troic | are there any logs for #debian ? |
| 11:35.57 | luna_ | i think so |
| 11:36.14 | troic | my google'ing was rubbish :( |
| 11:36.57 | dvs | !logs |
| 11:36.57 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask me about <irclog>. |
| 11:37.12 | luna_ | !irclog |
| 11:37.13 | dpkg | hmm... irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/ |
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| 11:37.23 | troic | thank you |
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| 11:37.39 | luna_ | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20200422.html.gz |
| 11:37.41 | luna_ | troic |
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| 11:50.44 | VinPop | how do you download stuff in base Debian |
| 11:50.54 | VinPop | i still don't quite get it |
| 11:51.00 | AndreasLutro | wget? |
| 11:51.18 | nvz | VinPop: apt install stuff |
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| 11:51.37 | VinPop | it says something about not having permissions |
| 11:51.42 | VinPop | even when i do sudo it doesn't work |
| 11:51.55 | AndreasLutro | what's the exact error message? |
| 11:51.57 | nvz | VinPop: yes sudo is not installed in debian by default unless you do not set a root password |
| 11:52.11 | nvz | VinPop: its an optional package which must be installed |
| 11:52.18 | VinPop | ah okay |
| 11:52.19 | VinPop | so |
| 11:52.24 | nvz | VinPop: are you actually on a BASE install or did you install a Desktop Environment? |
| 11:52.30 | VinPop | BASE |
| 11:52.31 | VinPop | as in |
| 11:52.34 | VinPop | just terminal |
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| 11:52.45 | nvz | base means you selected NOTHING in tasksel |
| 11:52.45 | VinPop | i tried to install a desktop enviroment |
| 11:52.51 | VinPop | but the mirror install didn't work |
| 11:53.08 | nvz | perhaps you did not have internet connectivity |
| 11:53.11 | dvs | VinPop, are you using Wifi? |
| 11:53.21 | VinPop | Yeah |
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| 11:53.29 | VinPop | i think it was that the connection wasn't reliable |
| 11:54.50 | VinPop | or |
| 11:54.54 | nvz | well for now you can just do su - |
| 11:54.58 | VinPop | is there a guide for base installs? |
| 11:55.00 | nvz | then apt install sudo if you like |
| 11:55.12 | VinPop | if there is i'll just follow it |
| 11:55.27 | nvz | VinPop: there is no guide.. tell us what you wanna do and we'll be the guide |
| 11:55.35 | VinPop | alright thanks |
| 11:55.55 | ayekat | there is the Debian installation manual, no? |
| 11:56.03 | nvz | there can be no guide to having bootstrapped 248 of over 50,000 packages and choosing others |
| 11:56.12 | nvz | ayekat: he's already installed asking what to do now |
| 11:56.18 | nvz | thats a user's choice |
| 11:56.28 | VinPop | for now i just need a browser set up |
| 11:56.32 | ayekat | mmh... true |
| 11:56.34 | VinPop | cordless |
| 11:56.36 | VinPop | and spt |
| 11:57.03 | nvz | wtf is cordless and spt? |
| 11:57.07 | VinPop | having a browser would help a ton because then i can actually talk here while on Debian |
| 11:57.09 | nvz | ,file bin/cordless |
| 11:57.13 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 11:57.17 | ayekat | I'm guessing 'cordless" means wireless |
| 11:57.24 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
| 11:57.27 | VinPop | that's unimportant i'll probably be able to install it when i get snap |
| 11:57.27 | dvs | nvz, I think he means Wifi |
| 11:57.28 | nvz | VinPop: you don't need a browser for that you need an IRC client |
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| 11:57.46 | nvz | VinPop: do you have a wired connection available? |
| 11:58.02 | ayekat | VinPop: installing programs on Debian (or any Linux distro) is done through a package manager, not by downloading random stuff from the Web |
| 11:58.02 | VinPop | Cordless is just a Discord TUI |
| 11:58.12 | nvz | @.@ |
| 11:58.14 | ayekat | ah right, I was wrong :-X |
| 11:58.33 | nvz | something tells me you ignored my spiel earlier and you don't belong here :P |
| 11:58.33 | BazookaTooth | eh |
| 11:59.07 | nvz | but if you wanna do things the hard way, we can help you with Debian stuff.. which Cordless/Discord is definately not |
| 11:59.07 | BazookaTooth | install synaptic and search |
| 11:59.24 | nvz | VinPop: do you have a wired connection available? |
| 11:59.38 | BazookaTooth | aptitude-ui or whatever if you are brave |
| 11:59.44 | VinPop | yeah i just need to set it up |
| 11:59.53 | VinPop | connect the router to the PC |
| 12:00.18 | nvz | VinPop: I'd advise doing so for a few minutes.. as otherwise you are going ot have to learn wpa_supplicant which is not real easy to use |
| 12:00.33 | VinPop | alright |
| 12:00.43 | nvz | VinPop: connecting to wifi from a base install is not very easy.. if you can wire to install some more stuff that'd be easier on you |
| 12:01.35 | VinPop | Okay i'm gonna do that business with the router at night because everyone needs the internet rn |
| 12:01.38 | nvz | VinPop: I'd recommend you install screen, irssi, links2, network-manager, sudo just to get you working while you decide what desktop/browser and stuff you want |
| 12:01.55 | VinPop | thanks i really appreciate your help |
| 12:01.58 | nvz | VinPop: well we can get you online with wifi |
| 12:02.09 | nvz | but its not the most user-friendly thing in the world :D |
| 12:02.16 | nvz | would've been easier to do in the installer |
| 12:02.16 | VinPop | that's okay |
| 12:02.25 | VinPop | i still have the install USB |
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| 12:02.30 | VinPop | can't i just re-install it? |
| 12:02.46 | nvz | sure, if you can get connected from the installer.. but did it even connect to your wifi from the installer? |
| 12:02.54 | nvz | you may need the firmware images to use your wifi |
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| 12:03.15 | BazookaTooth | linux is not windows though. reinstalling is not the answer to everything |
| 12:03.18 | VinPop | nvz that's exactly it |
| 12:03.21 | VinPop | i was missing firmware |
| 12:03.28 | VinPop | that's why it wouldn't connect to WI-fi |
| 12:03.40 | nvz | VinPop: ok, well then just download the firmware netinst image and reinstall.. its simpler and you're not that far along anyhow |
| 12:03.51 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 12:03.51 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:04.23 | nvz | VinPop: then you can select a desktop from the installer and not muck with the console right off |
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| 12:05.04 | VinPop | thank you so much |
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| 12:05.31 | VinPop | and just asking i do the same thing with the normal install right? |
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| 12:05.39 | VinPop | use rufus to write the image to the usb |
| 12:05.58 | nvz | yes the only difference is that contains firmware that is non-free and not included in the normal debian images |
| 12:06.03 | nvz | otherwise its exactly the same |
| 12:06.23 | nvz | though if you use rufus you need to use dd mode or w/e |
| 12:06.48 | nvz | the Debian documentation has always said not to use that.. but afaik it now has a compatible mode |
| 12:07.36 | VinPop | firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso this is the one i'm supposed to install correct? |
| 12:07.47 | dvs | yes |
| 12:07.56 | nvz | yes, that one will have additional non-free firmware and should get your wifi working during install |
| 12:08.34 | nvz | VinPop: alternatively there are larger ISOs that have enough packages to install a desktop built in.. but they're larger |
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| 12:09.07 | VinPop | i have about 250 GB available so i think i can probably use those |
| 12:09.18 | dvs | and don't connect to online repos when installed |
| 12:09.30 | nvz | well if you're not concerned with a larger download it'd eliminate the need to connect to the repos during the install |
| 12:09.44 | nvz | do we still have them for all DE? |
| 12:09.55 | nvz | I know we have the default gnome and a small XFCE |
| 12:10.09 | nvz | its getting hard to slim DE down enough to fit on an ISO |
| 12:11.10 | nvz | actually seems we only have the XFCE now |
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| 12:11.30 | nvz | though the live images are available in all last I checked but I dont recommend using those to install :P |
| 12:12.34 | VinPop | so do i install the larger ones or no |
| 12:12.45 | nvz | if you want XFCE we have a 640mb iso for that |
| 12:12.56 | nvz | but you can probably use the firmware netinst and choose any of the 7 DE |
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| 12:13.59 | nvz | I prefer MATE of the 7 DE personally.. its very usable and configurable.. XFCE and Cinnamon would be my prefrence above the rest :P |
| 12:14.19 | VinPop | yeah from what i saw Cinnamon looks very very nice |
| 12:14.42 | nvz | yeah and its very similar in use and shares config/themes and such with MATE and GNOME |
| 12:15.05 | dvs | VinPop, I'd use firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso to install the base and specify the desktop environment you want afterwards. |
| 12:15.06 | VinPop | that's really cool |
| 12:15.33 | VinPop | alright it's almost finished downloading |
| 12:15.38 | nvz | it also has a default config that'd be more familiar for windows users |
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| 12:16.30 | VinPop | yeah i think it's a better idea to start with a GUI and slowly move to TUI and CLI |
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| 12:17.31 | nvz | VinPop: well the text stuff isnt usually that daunting but the BASE debian doesn't come with much.. its a bare minimum.. and what you have to work with can be cumbersome |
| 12:17.47 | VinPop | yeah it's like they just give you flour |
| 12:17.51 | VinPop | not even all the ingredients |
| 12:17.54 | VinPop | and tell you to make a cake |
| 12:18.00 | BazookaTooth | kinda the point |
| 12:18.10 | nvz | some of the text programs are a lot nicer than the alternatives I use a lot of them regularly.. like irssi for irc, pianobar for pandora, mps-youtube for youtube.. |
| 12:18.31 | BazookaTooth | otherwise you end up with an extra 200 packages you don't do anything with but always get updated unless you prune them out |
| 12:18.48 | nvz | which is why I dont recommend using live to install.. too much cruft |
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| 12:40.45 | ws2k3 | im trying to configure my ssh so it will log all action users take.https://pastebin.com/wqxtjQ3B but somehow its not i already tested the settings individualy on another box and there the logging works just fine. what could i doing wrong here? |
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| 12:43.58 | kreyren | Why woudn't apt install expected apt-extracttemplates? http://dpaste.com/03PSXYD.txt |
| 12:44.22 | kreyren | relevant codeblock http://dpaste.com/1A4Q331.txt |
| 12:44.47 | kreyren | noticed that he forget to double-quote, trying again |
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| 12:46.09 | kreyren | same issue with /usr/bin/$component double-quoted |
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| 13:06.37 | kreyren | Resolved the issue above, found issue in logic |
| 13:06.58 | kreyren | Why is clang installation failing even when it's pinned correctly? http://dpaste.com/0GKGQNC |
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| 13:31.17 | peb` | does your container have an up-to-date list of available packages? |
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| 13:41.15 | ZAJDAN | why the hell Debian 10 has not as default common wifi firmware |
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| 13:41.35 | ZAJDAN | Broadcom, Realtek |
| 13:41.41 | miskatonic | because common wifi firmware is non-free |
| 13:41.53 | nvz | well thats a good questin and if you don't like the answer Debian may not be for you |
| 13:42.18 | nvz | the answer is that the firmware is non-free and Debian has a social contract that promises it will be 100% free |
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| 13:42.40 | nvz | included in that ideal is the freedom to use non-fre stuff which we provide |
| 13:42.52 | ZAJDAN | fresh installation of debian so many problems |
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| 13:43.04 | nvz | Debian also provides firware install ISOs which result in debian being installed with the firmware |
| 13:43.12 | ZAJDAN | reboot ....command not found |
| 13:43.44 | nvz | ,file bin/reboot |
| 13:43.48 | judd | Search for bin/reboot in buster/amd64: molly-guard: sbin/reboot; runit-init: sbin/reboot; sysvinit-core: sbin/reboot; systemd-sysv: sbin/reboot; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/reboot |
| 13:44.04 | nvz | debian uss systemd |
| 13:44.06 | joepublic | ZAJDAN, use `su -` instead of just `su` to set root's path |
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| 13:44.08 | BazookaTooth | sudo systemctl reboot |
| 13:44.22 | ZAJDAN | why so complicated |
| 13:44.32 | BazookaTooth | why expect nothing to ever change? |
| 13:44.33 | ZAJDAN | why fresh install doesnt created PATH |
| 13:44.41 | joepublic | dpkg, su |
| 13:44.41 | dpkg | extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su". |
| 13:44.49 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.49 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 13:45.03 | ZAJDAN | omg omg |
| 13:45.17 | joepublic | hey, you asked. |
| 13:45.23 | ZAJDAN | the newer it is..the worst it is |
| 13:45.32 | BazookaTooth | sure |
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| 13:48.34 | ZAJDAN | I was as root and anyway reboot needed /sbin/reboot |
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| 13:49.32 | nvz | init 6; systemctl reboot .. etc |
| 13:49.47 | nvz | use the proper means to become root.. |
| 13:50.51 | joepublic | if you become root with `su -` then you need only type `reboot` as previously mentioned |
| 13:51.57 | nvz | I thought the change was rather stupid at first.. but a lot has been rather stupid for a long time.. they're actually trying to get it right.. the PATH shouldnt be set by changing user, it should be set by the user logging in.. unless you tell it to login when you change the user |
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| 13:53.09 | ZAJDAN | I am to much conservative and I like old style..easy-logic |
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| 13:53.51 | nvz | yeah well.. things change.. and a LOT has chaned |
| 13:54.17 | ZAJDAN | changed which brings nothing |
| 13:54.25 | BazookaTooth | ... |
| 13:54.45 | joepublic | ZAJDAN, while I understand your frustration and your concerns, your attitude frankly sucks. |
| 13:54.54 | nvz | the recent changes brought in properly booting the linux kernel, asynchronous booting, all kinds of things |
| 13:55.21 | joepublic | I mention this only in the context that it might be contributing to the frustration. |
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| 13:55.34 | ZAJDAN | from Debian 6-9 was all perfect...many my machines worked perfectly |
| 13:56.01 | joepublic | debian 6, 7, 8, and 9 are still available. |
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| 13:56.25 | ZAJDAN | so I really do not understand why is so necessary remake many thing which worked properly |
| 13:56.36 | nvz | they did NOT work PROPERLY |
| 13:56.44 | ZAJDAN | 555 |
| 13:57.29 | ZAJDAN | I should change my wife if she doesnt works properly :_)))) |
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| 13:57.48 | joepublic | fortunately all of the specific troubles you have brought up have so far had easy answers. |
| 13:58.06 | nvz | good luck with that.. hope you got a good lawyer :P |
| 13:58.22 | joepublic | if your wife is a piece of software, yes, but that's... an unusual approach. |
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| 13:59.26 | nvz | answers so easy we all including the bots knew about them |
| 13:59.50 | miskatonic | I will possibly stay with Stretch until the machine withers away, so no need to bother with changes |
| 14:00.12 | nvz | please be patient with our supporters, even a toilet can only service one asshole at a time :P |
| 14:00.22 | joepublic | miskatonic, you are not affected by 'shiny new stuff syndrome' ? |
| 14:00.34 | nvz | grins |
| 14:00.36 | joepublic | heck I have a server running debian 8, so i shouldn't talk |
| 14:01.36 | miskatonic | no, what is so shiny in buster? |
| 14:01.51 | joepublic | point taken. |
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| 14:03.05 | BCMM | joepublic: you're doing LTS properly, right? i.e. checking whether the packages you use are supported packages? |
| 14:03.22 | MYK-78 | big NOPE to the new console font in sid. |
| 14:03.29 | joepublic | to some extent, sure |
| 14:03.45 | joepublic | had to manually upgrade the php, for example |
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| 14:05.52 | BCMM | MYK-78: in a terminal emulator? or did the VT font change? |
| 14:06.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I have two questions, do you know how to get the bot to show more output when it displays only a few results? and have you restored an old backup recently? |
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| 14:10.40 | MYK-78 | @BCMM I think the VT font was changed to a larger bold terminus from default terminus |
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| 14:12.08 | BCMM | MYK-78: hmm it doesn't look odd here. do you have a hiDPI display? |
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| 14:12.18 | BCMM | it would make sense for the default to depend on resolution |
| 14:14.23 | Freneticks | is there a way right after adduser myuser sudo, to make this "right" effective for the current terminal ? |
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| 14:15.06 | rrttyy | Hi, I'm using debian stable. The toolbox in GIMP has no icons, they are all red crosses. |
| 14:15.25 | rrttyy | How can I reload the icons? |
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| 14:16.58 | BCMM | rrttyy: do you have a GTK icon theme installed? |
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| 14:18.25 | rrttyy | Yes, "Tango" in XFCE |
| 14:18.41 | rrttyy | I just tried changing it to adwaita and that didn't solve the issue |
| 14:18.51 | rrttyy | this happened after an update, I previous used to have the icons. |
| 14:18.59 | rrttyy | And I haven't changed the theme in a LONG time. |
| 14:19.21 | miskatonic | does xfce not come with a default gtk icon theme? |
| 14:20.00 | rrttyy | I haven't installed nay extra icon themes, I think this is what it came with. |
| 14:23.37 | JustTheDoctor | using screen is there a way to clear the current screen -ls list? |
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| 14:31.31 | miskatonic | screen -wipe removes dead sessions from screen -ls, but that may not be the desired effect of justthedoctor |
| 14:31.54 | JustTheDoctor | thanks miskatonic i used pkill screen and it did the trick |
| 14:32.26 | BCMM | rrttyy: you could try renaming your ~/.gimp-2.8 directory or ~/.config/GIMP/ directory (not sure which is the one it uses currently), in case there's something old in there |
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| 14:36.07 | Ooze | What's the benefit in separating /home, var, and /tmp partitions? |
| 14:36.42 | BCMM | Ooze: some people separate /home/ to make it easier to keep their home directory when moving between distros or reinstalling |
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| 14:37.00 | BCMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.28 | nvz | well seperating /home makes data migration more straightforward.. seperating any of those you mentioned also easily prevents careless use of the system from filling up the rootfs and allows for you to reinstall the rootfs without formatting the other partitions and retain all data |
| 14:37.32 | Johann | Ooze: /tmp and /var can be filled pretty fast from logs and temporary files explosion (notably for web browser but it can be true for any system), so it's good to separate them to avoid breaking your system if it fills |
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| 14:39.08 | Johann | /home is the same, can be filled by user and you don't want that to make yur system unusable, plus it allows you to install a new system from scratch without wiping user's data |
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| 14:41.48 | Ooze | Makes sense. I just screwed up my partition table last time trying to grow /home. I guess LVM should change that this time round tho |
| 14:41.49 | miskatonic | keeping /home can cause troubles, though. old config files in .config may be incompatible with upgraded versions |
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| 14:43.03 | simplicius | Hello |
| 14:43.08 | luna_ | hey |
| 14:43.10 | simplicius | I can't find anymore the screenshot application |
| 14:43.26 | nvz | thats simple to fix, move the homedir out of the way and move stuff from it to the new one bit by bit |
| 14:43.55 | simplicius | it was placed under utilities |
| 14:44.34 | nvz | simplicius: have you tried pressing the print screen button? :P |
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| 14:44.44 | BadPractice | hi |
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| 14:44.56 | nvz | BadPractice: not yet, but I'm working on it |
| 14:45.09 | simplicius | nvz: yes but doesn't work |
| 14:45.21 | BadPractice | i just installed a debian stable on my Lenovo T480 and do not manage to get thunderbolt support according to my thunderbolt settings of my gnome desktop |
| 14:45.22 | nvz | simplicius: what DE are you using? |
| 14:45.30 | simplicius | nvz: Ice |
| 14:45.38 | nvz | IceWM? |
| 14:45.50 | simplicius | how can I run it through shell invocation? |
| 14:46.00 | nvz | IceWM? |
| 14:46.26 | simplicius | yes |
| 14:46.31 | miskatonic | icewm is not a de |
| 14:46.46 | simplicius | Xfce |
| 14:47.12 | nvz | so you're using XFCE AND IceWM?! |
| 14:47.16 | simplicius | yes |
| 14:47.26 | nvz | thats a bit odd.. icewm provides desktop/panels like a DE |
| 14:47.32 | nvz | there is some overlap there :P |
| 14:47.42 | miskatonic | interesting combi |
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| 14:48.00 | nvz | what I am trying to get at here is what utility you SHOULD have and what happened to it |
| 14:48.29 | simplicius | what's its name? |
| 14:48.52 | nvz | ,file bin/xfce4-screenshot |
| 14:48.55 | judd | No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 14:49.13 | nvz | ,file bin/xfce4-screenshooter |
| 14:49.17 | judd | Search for bin/xfce4-screenshooter in buster/amd64: xfce4-screenshooter: usr/bin/xfce4-screenshooter |
| 14:49.30 | nvz | simplicius: dpkg -l xfce4-screenshooter |
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| 14:49.59 | simplicius | dpkg-query: no packages found matching xfce4-screenshooter |
| 14:50.04 | nvz | o.O |
| 14:50.51 | nvz | simplicius: well we're gonna need some basic information.. unless you have anything to add like something you did recently.. upgraded to sid, put in strange sources.. something.. |
| 14:50.56 | mvaenskae | eh, is there a reason the installer for buster unconditionally writes random data to a disk that i want to be cryptographically secure without invoking the secure erase command, thus making the process at least for SSDs magnitudes quicker? |
| 14:51.51 | nvz | simplicius: (uname -r;cat /etc/debian_version;apt policy)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 14:51.55 | rrttyy | BCMM: I'll try doing that. Whatever config file is present would probably be old, I've been uprading this machine from debian 8, about four years now. |
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| 14:52.51 | rrttyy | Okay, that didn't do anything. |
| 14:53.15 | simplicius | is there a way to search for all packages installed named screenshot? |
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| 14:54.08 | nvz | simplicius: yes, dpkg -l | grep screenshot is a simple command that does essentially that |
| 14:54.38 | Ooze | Should I be doing something like this manual partitioning to set up LVM, or should the Guided LVM in Debian install be sufficient? http://www.techspacekh.com/installing-debian-os-with-logical-volume-manager-lvm/ |
| 14:54.52 | BadPractice | i just installed a debian stable on my Lenovo T480 and do not manage to get thunderbolt support according to my thunderbolt settings of my gnome desktop |
| 14:55.58 | nvz | BadPractice: I heard you the last time.. and so did everyone else.. I have a T440 and X240.. no thunderbolt.. dont know much about it.. |
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| 14:58.59 | BadPractice | nvz, so it does not work on debian? |
| 14:59.11 | nvz | BadPractice: do you have thunderbolt-tools installed? have you checked the logs for possible missing firmware? |
| 14:59.26 | nvz | BadPractice: hell if I know I got something that looks like a thunderbolt but its a mini display port |
| 14:59.53 | nvz | afaik its usable on linux and has been for quite some time |
| 15:00.18 | BadPractice | nvz, thunderbolt-tools are installed fwupdatmgr does not show thunderbolt. maybe bios settings that are wrong? |
| 15:01.04 | nvz | it could be that there is a bios setting to disable it.. and I dont trust these firmware update things |
| 15:01.10 | nvz | I dont know about them, or how the work.. |
| 15:01.19 | nvz | I know about checking the kernel logs |
| 15:01.58 | nvz | BadPractice: you also may just need a newer kernel |
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| 15:02.33 | BadPractice | nvz, currently im more concerned that the port os broken or something |
| 15:02.46 | nvz | near as I can tell the T480 is newer than Buster |
| 15:03.04 | nvz | which means you may just need a newer kernel |
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| 15:03.49 | nvz | ok maybe not.. its more like 2-3 years old I guess but that doesnt mean the kernel isn't too dated |
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| 15:04.22 | simplicius | it was an application that allowed me to upload on imgmur or open with gimp |
| 15:04.24 | nvz | BadPractice: become root and type this command to compile some information.. |
| 15:04.39 | BadPractice | okey... |
| 15:04.42 | BadPractice | what command |
| 15:05.09 | nvz | BadPractice: (lspci -nn;systemctl -k)|nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 15:05.37 | nvz | simplicius: sounds like flameshot maybe |
| 15:05.48 | nvz | ,i flameshot |
| 15:05.49 | judd | Package flameshot (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: Powerful yet simple-to-use screenshot software. Version: 0.6.0-11; Size: 265.6k; Installed: 1104k; Homepage: https://github.com/lupoDharkael/flameshot; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/flameshot |
| 15:06.00 | nvz | simplicius: see the screenshot above ^ |
| 15:06.02 | BadPractice | nvz, https://termbin.com/gj0e |
| 15:06.15 | BadPractice | no thunderbolt in there |
| 15:06.40 | nvz | you apparently didnt run that as root because the kernel messages are missing |
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| 15:07.09 | simplicius | nvz: no it isn't |
| 15:07.30 | BadPractice | nvz, is it somehow connected with this usb 3.0 controller? |
| 15:07.49 | nvz | BadPractice: could be, but I doubt it.. you can scan the usb bus with lsusb |
| 15:08.15 | nvz | they wouldnt hook a highspeed bus to another one like that.. |
| 15:09.29 | BadPractice | nvz, no good. that means its disabled in bios or bricked? |
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| 15:09.52 | EdePopede | simplicius, you could play with: debtags search 'interface::commandline && role::program && scope::utility && use::storing && works-with::image' |
| 15:10.17 | EdePopede | simplicius, both scrot and flameshot have them all, and byzanz also appears |
| 15:10.48 | nvz | BadPractice: its most likely disabled in bios but idk.. systemctl -k and dmidecode .. whatever might help but prob easier to reboot and check the bios |
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| 15:12.17 | EdePopede | oh. nvm. |
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| 15:15.21 | simplicius | EdePopede: I don't have neither |
| 15:16.29 | oxek | I am trying to install a package from Testing in Stable and want to make sure I am doing it right. |
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| 15:16.36 | EdePopede | scrot didn't even appear with less parameters and grep, it's job is to "capture". making it harder to find things. |
| 15:16.44 | oxek | so far I have added APT::Default-Release "stable"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release |
| 15:16.57 | oxek | now I have to add the debian testing repositories to sources.list |
| 15:17.22 | oxek | which repositories do I add? Do I just copy all the stable repositories and rename them to testing? |
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| 15:17.58 | nvz | oxek: no, you're doing it wrong.. the part where you're trying to install a package from testing in stable |
| 15:18.08 | nvz | oxek: what are you trying to install? |
| 15:18.09 | oxek | or do I only need the testing repo, and not testing/updates testing-updates testing-backports |
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| 15:18.19 | nvz | DO NOT DO THIS _AT_ _ALL_ |
| 15:18.30 | oxek | nvz: for a few days I've been fighting with scrcpy, it does not exist in stable but exists in testing |
| 15:18.38 | nvz | ,v scrcpy |
| 15:18.40 | judd | Package: scrcpy on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.12.1+ds-1; sid: 1.12.1+ds-1 |
| 15:18.46 | nvz | ,checkbackport scrcpy |
| 15:18.48 | judd | Backporting package scrcpy in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 15:18.57 | nvz | oxek: its easily backportable it seems |
| 15:19.11 | oxek | if it was, wouldn't it be done already? |
| 15:19.14 | nvz | oxek: anytime you get a crazy idea like this.. come here and ask.. don't mix stuff |
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| 15:19.35 | nvz | oxek: no interest probably and backports typically only occur for things already in the target branch |
| 15:19.35 | oxek | I read it should be safe as long as i just do apt install scrcpy/testing |
| 15:19.48 | oxek | instead of apt -t testing install scrcpy which would install all the deps |
| 15:19.49 | nvz | ,depends scrcpy |
| 15:19.51 | judd | No package named 'scrcpy' was found in buster/amd64. |
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| 15:20.13 | nvz | ,depends scrcpy --release bullseye |
| 15:20.14 | judd | Package scrcpy in bullseye/amd64 -- depends: libavcodec58 (>= 7:4.2), libavformat58 (>= 7:4.2), libavutil56 (>= 7:4.0), libc6 (>= 2.28), libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.10), scrcpy-server. |
| 15:20.20 | nvz | yeah, no.. |
| 15:20.41 | nvz | I'm not gonna run down all those versions but its a bad idea |
| 15:20.45 | nvz | just backport it |
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| 15:21.10 | oxek | ok, I read about backporting it, but that still requires me to add the testing repos so that I can download the testing source, no? |
| 15:21.26 | oxek | so I am still kinda on the same path, no? |
| 15:21.28 | nvz | just relax a minute I'm gonna do it and see |
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| 15:21.33 | somiaj | oxek: adding deb-src repos doesn't affect binary packages at all and is safe |
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| 15:22.06 | oxek | thanks for trying to help. I don't need you to do it all for me, just a pointer in the right direction of some guide would be enough I hope. |
| 15:22.47 | oxek | somiaj: so I'd add just the deb-src testing repos and not the ones that start with just 'deb', yes? |
| 15:23.25 | somiaj | oxek: yea, because deb-src only gives you access to source packages, not binaries and won't install anything on your system (just give you the ability to download source and use build-dep to install build depends) |
| 15:23.43 | somiaj | and build-dep will come from stable (if possible otherwise throw an error) |
| 15:24.29 | oxek | somiaj: and that still requires me to add APT::Default-Release "stable"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release yes? |
| 15:24.31 | nvz | apt install aapt aidl android-libaapt android-libandroidfw android-libart android-libbacktrace android-libetc1 android-libf2fs-utils android-libnativebridge android-libnativehelper android-libnativeloader android-libsparse android-libunwind android-libutils android-libziparchive android-sdk android-sdk-build-tools android-sdk-build-tools-common android-sdk-common android-sdk-platform-23 |
| 15:24.37 | nvz | android-sdk-platform-tools apksigner dalvik-exchange default-jdk default-jdk-headless dexdump dmtracedump etc1tool f2fs-tools fastboot fastjar hprof-conv jarwrapper libandroid-23-java libandroid-uiautomator-23-java libdbus-1-dev libegl1-mesa-dev libf2fs-format4 libf2fs5 libgles2-mesa-dev libibus-1.0-dev libproguard-java libsdl2-dev libsndio-dev libwayland-bin libwayland-dev libxkbcommon-dev libxss-dev |
| 15:24.43 | nvz | libxt-dev libxv-dev libzopfli1 meson ninja-build openjdk-11-jdk openjdk-11-jdk-headless proguard-cli split-select sqlite3 x11proto-scrnsaver-dev zipalign |
| 15:24.46 | nvz | meh.. that was paste accident compiling the build-deps |
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| 15:24.51 | nvz | clicked the wrong window :D |
| 15:25.00 | somiaj | oxek: no, you don't need to do any pinning or default release at all. |
| 15:25.07 | BadPractice | nvz, no good. its enabled in bios. I think its broken |
| 15:25.10 | somiaj | oxek: deb-src does not affect what packages can be installed at all. |
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| 15:25.34 | oxek | somiaj: but what if I then needed the sourcecode of some package that exists both in stable and testing? |
| 15:25.41 | oxek | sounds like some pinning is required |
| 15:26.03 | oxek | otherwise apt would not know which to get, or would get testing by default (because it is newer) which I might not want |
| 15:26.23 | somiaj | oxek: hmm, I have alawys just only enabled the deb-src for the repo I was using at that time, then change it |
| 15:27.02 | BadPractice | nvz, i would really like to see a life sign of that lovely thunderbolt. i have to return it if there is a hardware issue |
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| 15:27.46 | trek00 | oxek: you need to download the source one time only and you can specify the target release by command line: apt-get source -t testing scrcopy |
| 15:27.48 | nvz | should-work backport instructions for scrcpy from sid http://paste.debian.net/plain/1142559 |
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| 15:28.18 | somiaj | oxek: from apt-get manpage, seems apt-get source does respect default release, you can also use apt-get source package=version or apt-get source package/release |
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| 15:28.59 | nvz | BadPractice: I don't have the foggiest idea how a thunderbolt works, or what you'd hook to it.. or why you'd even want to.. so I can't really help |
| 15:29.02 | somiaj | oxek: so though you could mess with the APT::Default-Release for this, to me I don't see the point and just manaully state what source you want to download at the time. |
| 15:29.27 | oxek | in that case, what would `apt-get source package` do? Pull it from stable or testing or error out? |
| 15:29.44 | nvz | oxek: should-work backport instructions for scrcpy from sid http://paste.debian.net/plain/1142559 |
| 15:29.52 | somiaj | oxek: pulls in the one apt would install by default, so newest version, respecting pinning or APT::Default-Release |
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| 15:30.34 | somiaj | oxek: trek00: suggestion of -t testing makes the pinning of the release 999 making it choose that one, you could also use teh apt-get source package/release or package=version to specificy which one if there are multiple. |
| 15:30.58 | somiaj | oxek: to me since you have various options to control which source to download, I don't think changing the defaults will do much (except maybe cause problems later if you forget you set that) |
| 15:31.10 | BadPractice | nvz, well i just bought a new laptop for 1000⬠i would like to evaluate that it works or return it |
| 15:31.27 | oxek | nvz: thanks, I'll digest that info and see what I can do with it |
| 15:31.37 | nvz | oxek: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1142562 is with more spaces.. |
| 15:31.41 | nvz | so you can tell the seperate commands |
| 15:31.53 | oxek | do I need to use the sid repo instead of testing? |
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| 15:31.58 | nvz | its only adding one line, running 4 commands and waiting |
| 15:32.23 | somiaj | oxek: offical backports are from testing, it is your choice (also might want to check if there is a version difference) |
| 15:32.24 | trek00 | oxek: try the one nvz said at first |
| 15:32.31 | nvz | oxek: when it comes to testing or unstable.. its best to go with unstable.. its more current.. testing can develop issues that are slower to fix cause they typically gotta be fixed in sid first |
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| 15:33.04 | somiaj | oxek: you an also just grab upstream and build locally and install in /usr/local if you don't want to go through the extra work of making a .deb (.deb is useful is wanting to install on multiple machines) |
| 15:33.08 | nvz | oxek: normally if the package is already in stable you don't need to manually install the builddeps which is the longer of the commands |
| 15:33.24 | oxek | sounds scary but ok |
| 15:33.42 | nvz | its actually dead simple.. if I weren't already on sid I'd have prob done it already |
| 15:33.43 | somiaj | nvz: you shouldn't need to manually isntall build deps, apt build-dep packagename will do that if you have the deb-src line |
| 15:34.04 | nvz | somiaj: I've had spotty results with that.. but good to know |
| 15:34.26 | somiaj | well build-deps may not be satisifable in stable (which is a whole different story) but if they are, you don't need to manually install them |
| 15:34.44 | trek00 | i usually save the build-dep package list to remove it after building |
| 15:34.48 | nvz | well judd only mentioned debhelper-compat and thats just a bug in judd |
| 15:35.00 | somiaj | the most common one is the debian helper depends, but you can get newer debian helper from buster-backports |
| 15:35.26 | somiaj | well often times packages are built with the newerest standards and need newer debian helper (or you to modify the compat level in the debian/ directory) |
| 15:35.37 | somiaj | ,v debhelper-compat |
| 15:35.38 | judd | No package named 'debhelper-compat' was found in amd64. |
| 15:35.51 | nvz | the version it complained about is 12.. which is in buster |
| 15:36.03 | somiaj | ,v debhelper |
| 15:36.04 | nvz | it does this for everything that uses debhelper |
| 15:36.04 | judd | Package: debhelper on amd64 -- jessie: 9.20150101+deb8u2; jessie-security: 9.20150101+deb8u2; stretch: 10.2.5; stretch-backports: 12.1.1~bpo9+1; buster: 12.1.1; buster-backports: 12.9~bpo10+1; bullseye: 12.10; sid: 13 |
| 15:36.08 | trek00 | LANG=C apt-get -s build-dep scrcopy | sed '/^ /!bA;H;$bA;d;:A;x;/The following NEW/!d;s/^The .*:\n//' >build-package-list.txt |
| 15:36.40 | trek00 | then after build: apt-get purge $(cat build-package-list.txt) |
| 15:36.44 | nvz | trek00: kudos, I used an actual editor for the search and replace :P |
| 15:36.46 | somiaj | nvz: ahh that could be true the bot has a bug, but it isn't uncommon to need debhelper from backports to build testing packages without modifing debian/ |
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| 15:37.03 | trek00 | nvz: sed it's an editor! ;) |
| 15:37.12 | nvz | trek00: its a stream editor |
| 15:37.18 | nvz | not an interactive one |
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| 15:37.27 | nvz | where I needed only type \n and a space |
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| 15:37.43 | trek00 | nvz: but you can reuse it so many times :) |
| 15:37.59 | nvz | yeah well I'm in no frame of mind for concocting regex |
| 15:38.11 | nvz | bad enough there are so many dialects |
| 15:39.03 | trek00 | nvz: yeah those old programming languages have obscure and archaic syntax |
| 15:39.56 | trek00 | nvz: may be some modern language will replace them (may be perl? but it is obscure too sometimes) |
| 15:40.15 | nvz | idk what you're on about.. I'm talking about BRE,m PCRE, etc.. |
| 15:40.45 | trek00 | nvz: the actual regex part is really simple on that sed commandline, just ^ and .* |
| 15:41.01 | trek00 | nvz: the rest are sed commands |
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| 15:48.02 | brutser | got a grub problem when installing debian, maybe anyone can help me a little? https://bpaste.net/AEMA |
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| 15:51.14 | nvz | why is everyone using bpaste lately?! |
| 15:51.32 | juanrubio_ | Hi, I'm reading this document: https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-python.html |
| 15:51.45 | juanrubio_ | and it says "The directory /usr/local/lib/python3/site-packages is in the Python 3 runtime module search path." |
| 15:51.55 | nvz | o.O |
| 15:52.03 | juanrubio_ | But I don't find this to be true... |
| 15:52.25 | brutser | nvz: for me it's because i can remember it easy and therefore just type it |
| 15:52.26 | juanrubio_ | what am I missing? is the documentation wrong? |
| 15:52.42 | nvz | brutser: yeah.. its not a bad pastebin just been seeing it a lot in the last 24hrs |
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| 15:54.13 | trek00 | brutser: may be you need to pass the root device to the kernel, like root=UUID=1234-dead-beef |
| 15:54.51 | nvz | brutser: I have encrypted root on here that was setup by d-i auto partition if you wanna see anything |
| 15:56.00 | nvz | brutser: though mine is an encrypted lvm so its slightly different |
| 15:56.35 | brutser | trek00: i think i need to yes, i just don't know how to do that exactly :) |
| 15:57.03 | sgo11 | Hi, after adding a bridge network interface br0 in /etc/network/interfaces and install "qemu-kvm virt-manager libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon-system bridge-utils virtinst libvirt-daemon", my wireless device is no longer working. GUI shows "device not managed". Why and how to fix it? THanks a lot. |
| 15:57.12 | brutser | trek00: during install i need to get this UUID? |
| 15:57.27 | brutser | any tutorial that explains that part? |
| 15:57.40 | trek00 | brutser: just add it to the grub commandline: linux /vmlinuz root=UUID=1234-dead-beef |
| 15:58.09 | trek00 | brutser: yes you need to know the UUID of the decrypted partition |
| 15:58.10 | sgo11 | I am not sure if that is caused by "virsh net-start default", or "/etc/network/interfaces" adding br0. |
| 15:58.15 | nvz | brutser: blkid /dev/name tells you the uuid |
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| 15:58.24 | trek00 | brutser: or his device /dev/name |
| 15:59.40 | brutser | ok let me check that |
| 15:59.40 | trek00 | sgo11: adding br0 should not break your network-manager |
| 16:00.35 | sgo11 | trek00: ok. thanks. so what can be the cause? btw, I did reboot |
| 16:00.55 | trek00 | sgo11: may be the VM configuration? |
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| 16:01.34 | trek00 | juanrubio_: that directory is only for python packages installed manually (not via aptitude) |
| 16:01.50 | trek00 | juanrubio_: if you don't have installed any you should not have that directory |
| 16:02.22 | sgo11 | All I do is: install the packages listed above. and then "sudo virsh net-start default", virsh net-autostart default", modprobe vhost_net, adding br0 to /etc/network/interfaces. and then reboot. That's all. |
| 16:02.42 | trek00 | juanrubio_: for packages installed via apt you should check /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages |
| 16:03.05 | sgo11 | After that, wifi device is not managed shown in the GUI. |
| 16:03.19 | trek00 | sgo11: which GUI? there are many |
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| 16:04.23 | sgo11 | trek00: NetworkManager Applet for xfce. |
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| 16:04.40 | sgo11 | trek00: ifconfig will not show wlan0 too. I can only see it by ifocnfig -a |
| 16:05.04 | trek00 | sgo11: may be it was taken by virt-manger? |
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| 16:06.06 | sgo11 | trek00: I see NetworkManager.conf has "managed=false". If that is taken by virt-manager, what can I do? .... |
| 16:06.19 | sgo11 | how to use both networkmanager and virt-manager... |
| 16:06.39 | trek00 | sgo11: try to do that instead of default: virsh net-start br0 |
| 16:06.59 | brutser | trek00: cryptsetup luksOpen ${luksdevice} luksroot < here i decrypt /dev/sda and it creates /dev/mapper/luksroot < should i do blkid /dev/mapper/luksroot to find the UUID? |
| 16:07.16 | trek00 | brutser: yep |
| 16:07.19 | brutser | k |
| 16:08.13 | trek00 | brutser: you can use directly the device name too, if the initrd open it in the same way: root=/dev/mapper/luksroot |
| 16:08.36 | BalooRJ | Anyone know if there is a way to install furiusisomount without also having to keep nautilus around? |
| 16:08.48 | brutser | trek00: that is what i have tried, but i think i need to add crypttab entry for this to work right? |
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| 16:09.06 | brutser | perhaps i should do this anyway |
| 16:09.07 | sgo11 | trek00: what is different btw "virsh net-start br0" or "virsh net-start default"? wif I don't start default, will virt-manager work? Thanks a lot. I never use qemu vm and virt before. |
| 16:09.13 | BalooRJ | I've noticed that when I open the download folder from browsers it defaults to nautilus rather than thunar, which I prefer to use. Have no desire to use nautilus, but want to keep furiusisomount. Doesn't seem that I can uninstall nautilus without uninstalling the other |
| 16:09.26 | sgo11 | s/wif/if/ |
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| 16:09.50 | trek00 | brutser: well, if initrd ask for a password may be it already know the root device and how to mount it |
| 16:10.30 | trek00 | sgo11: i don't know i don't use virt-manager sorry |
| 16:10.49 | sgo11 | trek00: ok. thanks a lot for the help. I will try that. :) |
| 16:11.03 | brutser | trek00: the problem is that initrd is not asking the password, it's grub's cryptomount that is doing that |
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| 16:12.15 | somiaj | BalooRJ: can you tell your browser which application to use to open folders? It could also be using an xdg mime type which can be changed (though unsure what mime type would be for folders) |
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| 16:13.29 | Akuw | i have a virtual machine that is using dhcp to get ip address, but i want to use static, but if i use static then could be i choose a used one |
| 16:13.32 | Akuw | how can fix that |
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| 16:14.02 | somiaj | BalooRJ: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18869772/mime-type-for-a-directory it does look like there is a mime type for directories, unsure if inode/directory or application/x-directory but you might be able to change which application is used there if the browser can't be configured to use thunar |
| 16:14.11 | sney | Akuw: go into your router, find the range for dhcp addresses, choose one outside that range |
| 16:14.28 | Akuw | is there any other way? |
| 16:14.39 | Akuw | no way to use static and gateway? |
| 16:14.50 | somiaj | Akuw: usually dhcp servers have a way to limit what address they assign, so you can use static address that are not in that range. |
| 16:15.08 | trek00 | BalooRJ: you should be able to configure your default browser adding the inode/directory to your miminfo see https://askubuntu.com/a/870857 |
| 16:15.11 | somiaj | Akuw: the other option is to configure the dhcp server to always give the same address to that machine's mac address, this will efictivally be static. |
| 16:15.12 | BalooRJ | somiaj: Thank you, let me look into the mime type for directories. When looking through the firefox settings I don't see a setting for using a specific app to open folders |
| 16:15.59 | BalooRJ | trek00: Thank you, this seems to be what I am looking for |
| 16:16.09 | trek00 | brutser: well ok, then both your boot partition (on usb) and root partition (on disk) are encrypted? if so you need to add the crypttab entry |
| 16:16.12 | Akuw | how can i see all ips used in my net? |
| 16:16.50 | somiaj | Akuw: Why avoid what we are saying, at some level you need to know what ip range your dhcp server assigns. And this can be configured |
| 16:17.14 | somiaj | seeing all possible ip's on your net won't change or tell you the max possible range your dhcp server can assign |
| 16:17.31 | Akuw | the problem is i dont admin that |
| 16:17.54 | Akuw | so because its a VM i thought i could use a private range |
| 16:17.55 | somiaj | Akuw: can you talk to the admin, or request a static ip from them for that machiens mac address? |
| 16:18.04 | Akuw | i have to try |
| 16:18.06 | trek00 | BalooRJ: yeah somiajsuggestion is better, look: xdg-mime query default inode/directory |
| 16:18.54 | somiaj | Akuw: now this depends on how your virtual network is setup, some vms are setup to use a bridge and use an ip on the same network as the host, others have a virtual network, and the host uses nat to get trafice to and from the vm |
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| 16:19.10 | somiaj | Akuw: if you use the later, you own the dhcp server for the virtual network and can configure it |
| 16:19.43 | Akuw | i have the first |
| 16:20.04 | somiaj | (though if you hide your vm behind your hosts ip, you have less access to it from the outsdie world and have to setup port forwarding for any thing you want to serve) |
| 16:20.06 | brutser | trek00: yes i thought so too, but initrd is not decrypting the disk, that's done by grub's cryptomount, even before the initrd is loaded - so what kind of line would i put in crypttab then?? |
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| 16:20.44 | somiaj | Akuw: sounds like you need to contact the admin of the network and ask them for a static ip. They will either assign you one you can use or setup the dhcp server to give that vms mac address one then. |
| 16:20.45 | Akuw | one question, i just installed debian 10, in that VM, i can ping from VM to my computer, but can ping from my computer to that VM. this version of debian has any firewall > |
| 16:20.45 | trek00 | brutser: the one not yet decrypted, the root partition |
| 16:21.18 | somiaj | Akuw: debian doesn't include any firewall by default, it sounds like a network issue. |
| 16:21.29 | somiaj | Akuw: you might want to check more details about how the network with the vm is actually configured |
| 16:22.21 | trek00 | BalooRJ: you could set with: xdg-mime default thunar inode/directory |
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| 16:23.44 | brutser | trek00: like > luksroot /dev/sda none |
| 16:23.47 | brutser | just like that? |
| 16:24.04 | trek00 | brutser: yes |
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| 16:24.45 | trek00 | brutser: then you can directly use the devicename on the kernel commandline: root=/dev/mapper/luksroot |
| 16:24.58 | brutser | ok |
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| 16:25.24 | Akuw | fixed |
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| 16:39.36 | Akuw | samiaj: thanks |
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| 16:39.45 | Akuw | *o |
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| 16:46.20 | dob1 | if you have several debian installation and you want to keep them up to date, what you use ? ansible ? |
| 16:46.41 | Ooze | How can I see the errors in my boot startup? 2fast |
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| 16:46.51 | dob1 | journalctl I think |
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| 16:48.23 | Ooze | thx dob1 |
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| 16:59.08 | oxek | ok, all dependencies installed, was quite a download... |
| 16:59.14 | oxek | attempting build now |
| 17:00.09 | oxek | wow looks like the 'hacker' scene from movies with all that text flying around |
| 17:00.27 | Ooze | I nfs map a drive on my NAS to /media. Previously I had manually changed the uid of my local debian user to match that of my NAS user. Is this bad practice? |
| 17:01.59 | greycat | It is a GOOD practice to use consistent username/UID pairs across your LAN, when doing NFS. |
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| 17:02.19 | greycat | (This is why NFS and NIS are so often used together.) |
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| 17:06.17 | oxek | I report successfully having backported scrcpy to my system. It all works. Thanks everyone! |
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| 17:07.32 | Ooze | Awesome |
| 17:07.59 | nvz | oxek: \o/ |
| 17:09.29 | oxek | now... what do I need to keep in mind for the future? When scrcpy is officially in stable or backports, will something break? |
| 17:09.52 | somiaj | oxek: good job. Backprots are often not that hard and work well (provided you can build the software in stable -- this is where it gets hard if the software can't actually be built with the libaries in stable) |
| 17:10.43 | somiaj | oxek: provided it was just a package or two, not much, usually versions will be newer causing the package to upgarde naturally |
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| 17:11.07 | oxek | good to know, thanks |
| 17:11.31 | somiaj | oxek: it is often suggested when upgrading to be careful about thrid party packages (this is your own third party package), they can cause trobules, but usally one or two that nothign else depends on won't. |
| 17:13.15 | oxek | also, can something break by keeping this "APT::Default-Release "stable";" in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/default-release? |
| 17:13.29 | oxek | should i perhaps change it to APT::Default-Release "buster"; ? |
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| 17:14.46 | brutser | trek00: still not working: linux /vmlinuz cryptdevice=UUID=0000-1111-2222:luksroot root=/dev/mapper/luksroot ro quiet |
| 17:14.54 | brutser | would that be the way to add cryptdevice? |
| 17:14.58 | somiaj | oxek: as I said, I see no reason you need to do that. But if you change releases it may have an affect later |
| 17:18.23 | oxek | somiaj: I think I prefer it because I am likely to forget about having the debian testing deb-src in my sources.list, which means that if I have to get the source of some package in stable I'll just do `apt source package` and not realize I am getting the testing version instead of stable. |
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| 17:21.25 | somiaj | oxek: deb-src does nothing as I have said |
| 17:21.47 | somiaj | oxek: if you are worried about the next time you comple source getting testing sources, just comment it out now that you are done with it |
| 17:22.31 | somiaj | anyways, personal choice, if you manually set the default release, realize this could have issues down the road when you upgrade to bullseye. |
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| 17:36.48 | metbsd | how do i check my ens0 bandwidth |
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| 17:37.45 | somiaj | to what? a computer on your same network, or a computer on another network? |
| 17:37.59 | greycat | metbsd: ip -s link |
| 17:38.02 | somiaj | (though sometimes banwidth is limited by i/o on the machine as well) |
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| 17:38.57 | metbsd | ens3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 |
| 17:39.06 | metbsd | how much bandwidth can this device get? |
| 17:39.18 | metbsd | if i use this for router |
| 17:39.48 | metbsd | im connecting it to a l2 switch. will there be bottlenek |
| 17:39.48 | greycat | oh, *NOT* bandwidth used... potential speed |
| 17:40.00 | metbsd | yes potential speed |
| 17:40.09 | metbsd | do you think it's good for a router? |
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| 17:40.20 | greycat | what you do is find the box is came in, and read the specs on the box |
| 17:40.27 | metbsd | it's laptop |
| 17:40.43 | metbsd | what does that "1000" mean? |
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| 17:43.06 | metbsd | how can i tell if its gigabit ethernet or no? |
| 17:43.13 | greycat | metbsd: ok, well, then you can do "lspci -nn" to find the ethernet chipset, then look up its specs online |
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| 17:44.32 | metbsd | Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8039 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller |
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| 17:45.26 | bouzu_ | metbsd> you can also use ethtool: sudo ethtool your_interface_name | grep Speed |
| 17:45.43 | greycat | "Fast Ethernet" usually means 100 Mbps, but I haven't found the exact specs for this device |
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| 17:47.03 | metbsd | so you think it's good enough for home router? |
| 17:47.39 | greycat | I guess it depends on your home |
| 17:47.53 | VinPop | Hello |
| 17:48.11 | VinPop | i just installed Debian but it won't connect to my internect connection |
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| 17:48.43 | VinPop | it just says "Connection Failed" |
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| 17:49.03 | sney | what kind of connection? what exactly are you trying? did you have an internet connection in the installer? |
| 17:49.36 | metbsd | my home maybe 10-20 devices including webcam, alarm system, thermostat and phones, computers |
| 17:50.16 | trek00 | brutser: it prints some error? |
| 17:50.17 | VinPop | sney Wi-fi connection, i don't understand the second question and yes |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | if your Internet connection is under 100 Mbps, then a 100 Mbps router should suffice, alhough I'd be concerned about the age of this device, and thus its expected remaining lifetime |
| 17:51.05 | sney | VinPop: like, what steps did you take before you saw the word "failed" |
| 17:51.17 | sney | remember I cannot see your screen. |
| 17:51.23 | VinPop | all of the steps i did were in the installer |
| 17:51.31 | VinPop | in the actual finished OS i just clicked connect |
| 17:51.32 | metbsd | youe right it's old laptop. i'm thinking turning it to a router |
| 17:51.52 | brutser | trek00: i was mistaken, the /dev/mapper/luksroot is created on the temporary expert installer from debian, this is not available on the target system..duuh, stupid |
| 17:52.08 | brutser | still no solution though, i have one single disk encrypted, no lvm |
| 17:52.14 | brutser | still no idea how to grub config that |
| 17:52.35 | brutser | i am thinking to just use lvm because of all the examples out there that all are using lvm |
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| 17:53.19 | trek00 | brutser: i think it could depend by your initrd |
| 17:53.27 | brutser | trek00: as about the error, yes it says it cannot find /dev/mapper/luksroot which is obvious now |
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| 17:55.22 | trek00 | brutser: if you initrd uses systemd may be you need to setup an sd-encrypt format |
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| 17:55.46 | brutser | trek00: i am not testing without a grub config, directly from the grub command, cryptomount decrypt fine the hdd, set root=crypto0 works fine too > "ls /" show the root of the system now |
| 17:56.14 | brutser | linux /vmlinuz works, but i need a root=, but i got no idea what to set it to |
| 17:56.19 | brutser | i tried just root=/ |
| 17:56.24 | brutser | but that didn't work |
| 17:56.26 | trek00 | brutser: may be this page can help to figure out the missing steps https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system (ok it's not for debian, but the overview it's the same) |
| 17:56.48 | brutser | i have that opened in a tab already :p |
| 17:57.00 | VinPop | huh |
| 17:57.04 | trek00 | brutser: you need your initrd to decrypt the root device, then the kernel can use that root=device |
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| 17:58.13 | trek00 | brutser: so you need to configure the crypttab inside the initrd |
| 17:59.10 | trek00 | brutser: usually on debian you configure /etc/crypttab on the root partition, then update-initramfs should take that file and put it inside the initrd |
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| 17:59.37 | trek00 | brutser: you rebuilt the initrd after adding crypttab? |
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| 18:00.13 | brutser | trek00: yes that i know, but initrd is not doing the decryption, that's the difference here, initrd is not even loaded |
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| 18:00.25 | brutser | decryption is done by grub's cryptomount in this case |
| 18:00.37 | brutser | so there is already a decrypted root fs |
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| 18:02.00 | trek00 | brutser: i think grub only decrypt the root partition to read kernel and initrd, then you need initrd to decrypt again that partition |
| 18:02.25 | brutser | aah yes i think that's correct |
| 18:02.45 | brutser | brrrrrrr how my brain forget things over and over again |
| 18:03.08 | brutser | ok, restart, reboot and i get to it again |
| 18:03.17 | trek00 | brutser: :D |
| 18:03.18 | brutser | thx |
| 18:03.30 | trek00 | brutser: hope this will fix it :) |
| 18:03.35 | trek00 | I hope |
| 18:03.38 | brutser | i will let you know |
| 18:06.40 | lwp | VinPop, where do you click connect ? Did you install some Desktop environment like gnome or KDE or XFCE or something ? what other choices can you click ? what error messages do you see ? |
| 18:07.36 | VinPop | i installed Cinnamon and i click connect in the internet panel, other choice is settings where i can change properties of the connection, and there is no error message, all it says is "Connection failed" |
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| 18:09.49 | lwp | VinPop, do the properties of the connection look correct ? does the AP require a password ? are there any messages in the logs ? |
| 18:10.11 | VinPop | i checked the password twice and the properties look correct, no messages in the logs |
| 18:10.15 | VinPop | i have 1 clue |
| 18:10.21 | VinPop | that may be the reason |
| 18:10.26 | VinPop | which is incorrect domain name |
| 18:10.32 | VinPop | i'm not sure how to change it |
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| 18:14.28 | VinPop | lwp do you have any idea? |
| 18:14.33 | VinPop | how to change the domain name |
| 18:15.20 | greycat | *What* domain name? That is an incredibly overused term. Do you mean the default search domain that's added to hostnames when you do DNS queries? |
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| 18:15.24 | greycat | Do you mean the NIS domainname? |
| 18:15.30 | greycat | Something Kerberos? |
| 18:16.24 | VinPop | the default search domain |
| 18:16.25 | greycat | Perhaps the default @foo that's added to email addresses? |
| 18:16.37 | greycat | OK, DNS search. That's defined in /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 18:16.41 | VinPop | in the installation a prompt came up to put in the domain name |
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| 18:16.46 | greycat | Your resolv.conf is *most likely* generated by a DHCP client. |
| 18:16.49 | VinPop | and i put in the wrong one by accident |
| 18:17.14 | greycat | If you're one of the unusual cases where you're NOT using DHCP, then just edit the /etc/resolv.conf file and you're done. |
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