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| 06:13.27 | choice | Hello! Am I able to download and run lynx even if I don't have a root account? |
| 06:14.20 | kopper | Run, yes. Install, not without sudo or root. |
| 06:15.07 | choice | I only want to *use* it. |
| 06:15.13 | choice | Can I download it somewhere? |
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| 06:19.04 | ayekat | theoretically yes, but it'll require some fiddling with adjusting paths to some library files and whatnot |
| 06:19.20 | ayekat | what's the situation? |
| 06:21.13 | somiaj | choice: why do you need lynx, is your goal to download something on this machine? Or what is the point of using this maching to browose the internet |
| 06:21.46 | choice | somiaj: I only have this machine. |
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| 06:22.27 | somiaj | ahh okay, was just seeing if maybe wget or curl would work. |
| 06:22.49 | choice | wget works. |
| 06:22.53 | somiaj | anyways, you can copy binaries into your $HOME and run them, if they are missing libaries you have to deal with that issues as ayekat pointed out |
| 06:23.54 | choice | somiaj: Ok, but how to get a lynx binary in the first place? |
| 06:23.57 | themill | you'd also need to have all its dependencies unpackaged |
| 06:25.01 | themill | (also how is this on-topic for both #debian and #ubuntu?) |
| 06:25.09 | kopper | themill: and #bash |
| 06:25.22 | themill | yay. |
| 06:26.00 | kopper | choice: Is asking the administrator out of the question? |
| 06:26.13 | kopper | Seems pretty silly situation |
| 06:26.30 | ayekat | a machine with only a TTY, and no root access...? |
| 06:26.57 | ayekat | (and possibly physically in front of it, as you "only have this machine") |
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| 06:27.23 | ayekat | (which in turn means you can get root access to it - but now we're deep into XY territory) |
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| 06:48.54 | xormor | can I run a virus scanner on my Debian? |
| 06:50.26 | diogenes_ | xormor, clamav. |
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| 08:08.33 | simplicius | hello |
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| 08:09.16 | simplicius | for some reason I don't have anymore programs like ristretto and the snap-shot taker.. I don't remember the name of the last |
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| 08:10.17 | xormor | simplicius, commandline: "apt search ristretto" without the quotation marks. |
| 08:10.59 | simplicius | the problem is I don't remember the name of the screenshot taker.. Do all these program come from a same package? |
| 08:12.42 | xormor | simplicius, by default - no. |
| 08:13.40 | simplicius | it seems that al these programs related to images were removed |
| 08:13.48 | xormor | $ apt search screenshot |
| 08:13.56 | xormor | simplicius, by an upgrade |
| 08:15.25 | xormor | simplicius, can you rollback? or can you just install the programs one by one? all of the 3 packages individually. do you use the commandline interface or a visual package manager? just search for the terms related to the application program. |
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| 08:16.34 | simplicius | xormor: I think I foun it: xfce4-screenshooter |
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| 08:35.50 | ws2k3 | im running glusterfs on debian 9. when i do service glusterfs-server stop. there still is a glusterfsd running which does not seem to stop. how should i close that? |
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| 08:36.16 | jomofcw | Hello ! |
| 08:36.37 | jomofcw | I'm sorry, I always comle with the same question but I can't remember the answer anytime... I'l record it this time =). |
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| 08:37.23 | jomofcw | How can I force any files/folder created in a folder (and its subfolders) to have myUser:myGroup as owner, please ? |
| 08:37.59 | ksk | ws2k3: I dont know glusterfs, but maybe take a look at what stop-command the systemd unit executes, and if that should stop that deamon or not |
| 08:38.14 | ksk | like "systemctl show glusterfs-server" |
| 08:38.29 | ws2k3 | ksk: it seems that only stops the glusterd daemon and not the glusterfsd |
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| 08:39.01 | ksk | jomofcw: all files you create will belong to your use. If you want to change owners of existing files, you can utilize the "chown" command (as root) |
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| 08:39.10 | ksk | *to your user. |
| 08:39.25 | ksk | ws2k3: then, is there another service/unit of that name glusterfsd? |
| 08:40.34 | ws2k3 | ksk: not that i can find |
| 08:41.01 | jomofcw | ksk hello. Currently when I create a file, it belong to myUser:myUser. I need to change this to automaticaly create files with owner myUser:myGroup. I know it's possible because I've alrezdy done it previously but I can't remember the command :/. |
| 08:43.45 | ksk | files are created with your primary group as far as I know. |
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| 08:45.17 | ksk | stackoverflow suggest using the setgid bit, but that comes with drawbacks as described.. |
| 08:45.26 | ksk | jomofcw: whats wrong with using chgrp after creation? |
| 08:46.00 | ksk | jomofcw: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12842/make-all-new-files-in-a-directory-accessible-to-a-group |
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| 08:57.50 | jomofcw | ksk I create hundred and hundred of files/folders, i don't want to have to chown each one any time I create it |
| 08:58.12 | jomofcw | anyway, it's possible to be automatic as it was done previosuly, I just need to remember/find how to achieve it again :s. |
| 08:58.49 | jomofcw | Perhaps with setgid, I give it a look, thanks. |
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| 09:11.27 | jomofcw | ksk fixed using "chmod g+s dir". Have a nice day. |
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| 09:34.32 | netcrash | Hello, not sure if anyone uses it , but using feh or other openbox wallpaper setter , can I set a wallpaper per screen/desktop ? |
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| 09:37.13 | oxek | I want to install signal-messenger on debian and these are the instructions: https://paste.debian.net/1142739/ |
| 09:37.16 | oxek | are they safe? |
| 09:37.28 | oxek | I am wary of running commands from the internet that I do not understand |
| 09:39.22 | towo^work | nothing is safe from 3rd party repos and a repo for ubuntu is highly not recommend in debian |
| 09:39.42 | oxek | the app does not exist specifically for debian |
| 09:39.51 | oxek | but it says it works for ubuntu and derivatives |
| 09:39.56 | oxek | so it should work on debian |
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| 09:41.16 | miskatonic | derivatives may easily introduce incompatibilities |
| 09:42.15 | ansimita | !frankendebian |
| 09:42.15 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 09:42.53 | oxek | well I need this app so I need to find a workaround when debian does not package something |
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| 09:46.09 | oxek | I'll try to be more specific with my questions regarding those commands: |
| 09:46.37 | oxek | I understand that it downloads a gpg key from the internet and adds it to apt. Is there a way of ensuring that this key is only valid for the signal repo and not for debian repos? |
| 09:47.39 | oxek | I see that a repository is added, is there a way of restricting it so that e.g. if a tampered version of firefox appears on it, then apt update will not automatically pull it just because it is newer than the version in debian repos? |
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| 09:48.53 | BenNZ | oxek: if a repo would allow a tampered version of firefox , then why would you want to use it ? |
| 09:49.08 | miskatonic | I install a lot of stuff from github, sourceforge, cpan, pypi etc. which is not available in debian repositories |
| 09:50.14 | oxek | BenNZ: I just want to be safer, that's all. I have higher trust in debian repos than in signal repos. I don't want to suddenly see my kernel being updated from signal repos due to signal repos being compromised. |
| 09:51.04 | BenNZ | oxek: but why use repos you dont trust ? |
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| 09:51.30 | oxek | BenNZ: because this app is only available from there and nowhere else |
| 09:52.48 | BenNZ | oxek: i repeat, why use a repo you dont trust |
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| 09:53.42 | oxek | it's like having a company - your employees have badges that let them in, but you're not gonna give every customer walking through the door the same badge that lets employees walk around freely. |
| 09:53.45 | oxek | and you need customers... |
| 09:53.56 | towo^work | download the source, build yourself |
| 09:54.04 | BenNZ | oxek: but why accept software from someone you dont trust |
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| 09:54.39 | oxek | BenNZ: because I have to because I use it for work. |
| 09:54.58 | BazookaTooth | oxek: you can't make trade-offs when using outside repo/ppa |
| 09:55.33 | miskatonic | what is ppa? |
| 09:55.54 | oxek | am I really the first person to come up with the idea of limiting the possible damage a malicious repo could do? Surely apt has some mechanisms already - and I can't find them. |
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| 09:56.15 | BenNZ | oxek: no people usually only install software from trusted sources |
| 09:56.18 | BazookaTooth | apt does exactly what you tell it too |
| 09:56.32 | ansimita | !ppa | miskatonic |
| 09:56.37 | ansimita | !ppa |
| 09:56.37 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 09:57.28 | BenNZ | oxek: and it is possible to 'cherry pick' what software you want from a repo , but even then if the repo is untrusted i dont see the point , if one software in that repo is 'tampered' with , the rest cant be trusted either |
| 09:57.40 | BazookaTooth | ^ |
| 09:58.20 | oxek | well I am trying to do the best I can wrt frankendebian and so on, but I also need to work |
| 09:58.37 | BazookaTooth | !frankendebian |
| 09:58.38 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 09:58.51 | oxek | I know debian aspires to various ideals, but they are not achievable in the real world for most |
| 09:58.56 | BazookaTooth | so you already know you are doing things wrong |
| 09:59.04 | oxek | yes |
| 09:59.13 | oxek | but I want to do it less wrong as opposed to perfectly correct |
| 10:00.11 | BazookaTooth | and you think others without more resources have already tried and failed withou.. nevermind |
| 10:00.36 | oxek | I don't understand |
| 10:00.42 | BenNZ | oxek: what youre wanting to do is lick one side of the stripper pole because you know the other side isnt good .... |
| 10:00.44 | BazookaTooth | go reinvent the wheel |
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| 10:01.58 | BenNZ | oxek: if you cant trust any part of it , dont go near it |
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| 10:03.02 | oxek | You are admirable for being able to stick to that resolve, but it is not realistic for the rest of us |
| 10:03.24 | BenNZ | oxek: i only add repos that i trust |
| 10:04.19 | BazookaTooth | oxek: come tell us that when you grabbed a bad ppa/repo and your shit turned into a nice botnet |
| 10:05.15 | BazookaTooth | you won't notice right away |
| 10:05.17 | oxek | I don't think this line of discussion is being productive, so I'll get back to my issue: What danger am I exposing myself to by running the commands in https://paste.debian.net/1142739 both now and in the future, and what is a realistic way of mitigating those dangers? |
| 10:05.39 | oxek | I am new, so please bear with me if I don't understand right away |
| 10:06.22 | BenNZ | oxek: other than possible dependency hell ? |
| 10:06.24 | BazookaTooth | sesame street style.. do not frankendebian and dont use 3rd party repo |
| 10:06.32 | BazookaTooth | good? k |
| 10:06.52 | oxek | BenNZ: yes, other than dependency ehll |
| 10:07.10 | BenNZ | oxek: and other than the fact you dont trust the software from this repo ? |
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| 10:08.21 | BenNZ | oxek: it will install software that you dont trust to do go knows what all the while ensuring you can install/remove any other software because of dep hell |
| 10:08.40 | BenNZ | cant install/remove |
| 10:08.50 | oxek | BenNZ: I trust it to do what it says on the can for now, but I don't trust it that it will not start downloading linux kernel upgrades from it in the future for example |
| 10:09.06 | BazookaTooth | ... |
| 10:09.19 | BazookaTooth | but lemme guess you are going to do it anyway |
| 10:09.33 | oxek | not necessarily |
| 10:10.08 | oxek | e.g. yesterday I successfully backported a package from debian sid into stable thanks to guidance here, so I can probably compile some stuff |
| 10:10.20 | oxek | but this looks a level more difficult because the sources are not in debian sid |
| 10:11.02 | BazookaTooth | fair. but you admitted frankendebian so have fun |
| 10:11.17 | Space_Man | oxek: "Signal doesnât advertise it, but itâs possible to install the client via the Flatpak" |
| 10:11.22 | Space_Man | oxek: https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/install-signal-privacy-messenger-linux/ |
| 10:11.26 | Space_Man | near the end |
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| 10:12.08 | miskatonic | do dpkg force installs count as frankendebian? |
| 10:12.11 | oxek | Space_Man: thanks, reading it now |
| 10:12.24 | BazookaTooth | and stop expecting apt to give a shit about security. it just does what you tell it too |
| 10:12.39 | ayekat | more brokendebian than frankendebian |
| 10:12.55 | oxek | BazookaTooth: so perhaps I am looking for a better tool than apt. I am new, so I don't know what tools there are. |
| 10:12.55 | BazookaTooth | ayekat: pretty sure they are aware |
| 10:13.34 | BazookaTooth | oxek: there is no package tool that cares about security. if you feed it the wrong thing.. it is going to own you |
| 10:14.48 | BazookaTooth | being new is not an excuse.. you are reminded constantly to not use 3rd party repos |
| 10:16.43 | EdePopede | oxek, i was looking for it since i couldn't see it on debian. found this forum post with exactly your question and with this fine answer with a great link to the ubuntu forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=135251#p658343 |
| 10:16.50 | EdePopede | xenial. rly. |
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| 10:18.20 | oxek | Space_Man: the flatpak thing looks interesting, it might be what I am looking for. I'll read up a bit more about it, it looks like it even has some sort of sandboxing to prevent the app from taking over the system, so it might be a better tool than apt in this case. |
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| 10:19.02 | oxek | EdePopede: thanks, good find, I did not realize debian has a forum page |
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| 10:33.48 | EdePopede | oxek: i looked into their files, they seem to have 2 different versions of the client and one in beta. can't see a reason for the first thing. |
| 10:34.44 | oxek | "can't see a reason for the first thing" what does that mean? English is not my first language. |
| 10:35.11 | oxek | I know they say that their repo contains the stable version and a beta version |
| 10:35.18 | oxek | and they are installed with different names |
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| 10:36.41 | EdePopede | Packages.gz lists 3 files: 1.33.3, 1.32.3, 1.34.0-beta.1 |
| 10:37.01 | oxek | yeah that sounds odd |
| 10:37.20 | oxek | 1.33.3 was released today, so maybe a bug in their repo that they haven't removed the older version? |
| 10:37.34 | oxek | I don't really understand how it works |
| 10:38.37 | EdePopede | and if you're only concerned about their repo cluttering your system, but not about the client itself, it is as i expected it: everything goes into /opt, only the usual icons and docs and the desktop file into /usr. so you may as well dl it, and then unpack manually. but then it would be up to you ofc to stay up-to-date with fixes |
| 10:40.40 | oxek | that's a relief to hear, thanks for checking that out. How did you find out? I'd like to learn so that I can do that myself without having to bother people in this channel with possibly very beginner questions. |
| 10:40.44 | EdePopede | the postinst doesn't do more than the one for erm.. the other, proprietary, system everyone uses now. creates a link to the binary, updates mime, but then... |
| 10:40.46 | EdePopede | # SUID chrome-sandbox for Electron 5+ |
| 10:40.52 | EdePopede | er.. no. |
| 10:42.11 | EdePopede | besides the fact that i don't like electron and then not have the ressource to run such a thing (tried Franz! some years ago, was a nice idea, but really, no) i surely won't run a MESSENGER SUID ROOT |
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| 10:42.43 | oxek | unfortunately I do not understand what that means |
| 10:42.57 | oxek | does that mean the messenger runs with administrator privileges at all times? |
| 10:43.55 | EdePopede | this one's only about beep, which just has one job, to give you some sound on YOUR machine https://lwn.net/Articles/751534/ |
| 10:44.13 | EdePopede | *nod* |
| 10:44.37 | EdePopede | and beep isn't the first one i see discussed because of its SUID bit |
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| 10:46.50 | EdePopede | heh, even on the same site https://lwn.net/Articles/590296/ |
| 10:47.11 | oxek | ok so signal having SUID set is a bad thing. Is that malicious or a bug or intentional to get around some problem? (probably a question for signal devs, sorry) |
| 10:51.08 | BenNZ | oxek: isnt signal a messenger program ? |
| 10:51.27 | oxek | yes |
| 10:51.41 | BenNZ | oxek: and it needs complete control of your system ? |
| 10:51.51 | BenNZ | oxek: sounds worse than facebook |
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| 10:52.04 | oxek | probably shouldn't need it, so it's a bad thing they do that |
| 10:52.25 | BenNZ | oxek: in short yes |
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| 10:53.38 | miskatonic | can't signal be replaced by dbus-based messenger programmes? |
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| 10:56.02 | oxek | miskatonic: is that a question for me? |
| 10:57.02 | EdePopede | ah, the other system i was referring to is Discord. same issues here. electron, suid root. that's exactly why i don't just curl | sudo packages from teh webz. |
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| 10:58.07 | miskatonic | it's a question for whoever understands what that signal program is doing |
| 10:58.20 | EdePopede | BenNZ: may be a electron thing, i don't use anything from that corner. only the short test i did with Franz! |
| 10:59.09 | oxek | lots of things are moving to electron |
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| 10:59.29 | EdePopede | messengers using open protocols (irc, xmpp) surely can be replaced. just a matter of taste here. something that obviously doesn't work with proprietary crap like Discord and facebook. |
| 10:59.52 | oxek | signal claims to be opensource |
| 11:00.07 | EdePopede | oxek: existing programs are rewritten from scratch or new ones don't support anything but electron? |
| 11:00.31 | EdePopede | it is, and this gives you (theoretically at least) the freedom to use another client |
| 11:00.45 | EdePopede | of course someone would have to develop one first :) |
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| 11:04.25 | EdePopede | oh. in the EU the parlament uses it and now also the commission. in the meantime Signal may stop supporting USA because of their Earn IT Act. |
| 11:04.32 | miskatonic | what is Franz? |
| 11:05.01 | oxek | EdePopede: yeah, EU decided to use Signal instead of some other communication things. |
| 11:05.10 | oxek | and USA decided to go with wickr I think |
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| 11:05.29 | oxek | and both are electron-based on desktops |
| 11:05.34 | EdePopede | better than Discord or Whatsapp for sure. or even Zoom, which seems to be just a bad joke. |
| 11:06.00 | oxek | discord and whatsapp are also electron based. Everything is electron based :( |
| 11:06.10 | EdePopede | that's why i use irc. lots of clients without the need to install some SUID google browser |
| 11:06.17 | EdePopede | !sns |
| 11:06.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 11:06.25 | EdePopede | just the sns webapp crap |
| 11:06.38 | miskatonic | so signal is for communication between computers across teh net, not between processes on the same computer? I had not understood that initially. |
| 11:06.38 | EdePopede | written by cay latte slurping yuppies |
| 11:06.56 | oxek | miskatonic: yeah, it's a chat app like ICQ |
| 11:07.34 | EdePopede | i really don't get it why people always have to use the newest shiny chat app with no value added compared to the old ones. |
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| 11:07.55 | oxek | EdePopede: again, wasn't my choice, but i have to use it for work |
| 11:08.37 | EdePopede | skype was rewritten in electron some years ago, so i stopped using it. was a replacement for Ekiga which i didn't find really usable some more years back. |
| 11:08.57 | EdePopede | oxek: yea, and someone made the decision to use this particular system |
| 11:09.05 | oxek | on windows, I ran it sandboxed, so I wasn't that worried, but on linux I don't know anything about sandboxes yet, so I am looking for the next best thing I am able to do with my current skillset |
| 11:09.30 | EdePopede | some containering or w/e? |
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| 11:09.45 | oxek | Sandboxie on windows |
| 11:10.55 | oxek | I am looking at the flatpak version of signal-messenger from https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signal and it looks like what I am looking for |
| 11:11.00 | EdePopede | i don't really have an idea which model would be fitting on linux. there are many ways to run software separated from the rest of the system |
| 11:11.03 | oxek | it does not add any apt repositories nor does it use apt |
| 11:11.04 | miskatonic | icq seems to be more of a protocol than an app, as there are a variety of icq clients. I remember having used icq with a ncurses-based clients at the turn of the century |
| 11:11.20 | EdePopede | licq maybe |
| 11:11.25 | oxek | and the flatpak thing also seems to use some sandboxing |
| 11:11.42 | oxek | does using flatpak break debian or make a frankendebian or lead to dependency hell? |
| 11:11.44 | EdePopede | didn't they support xmpp for years and then stopped it? |
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| 11:11.54 | EdePopede | same with fb messenger iirc |
| 11:12.43 | EdePopede | oxek: apt is just the management, there wouldn't even have been a need to create a .deb, a tarball would have been enough, just like firefox does it. |
| 11:13.19 | EdePopede | it's only for the convenience regarding updates i think |
| 11:13.49 | EdePopede | because it's just 3 commands after unpacking (and some files, granted) |
| 11:14.05 | EdePopede | !flatpak |
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| 11:14.32 | EdePopede | ,info flatpak |
| 11:14.33 | judd | Package flatpak (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Application deployment framework for desktop apps. Version: 1.2.5-0+deb10u1; Size: 813.3k; Installed: 3667k; Homepage: http://flatpak.org/ |
| 11:14.40 | EdePopede | no, it shouldn't :) |
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| 11:15.09 | miskatonic | probably the icq protocol changed as no free clients are any longer available in debian, only via gateways |
| 11:15.19 | EdePopede | ,v licq |
| 11:15.20 | judd | Package: licq on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.2-1+b1 |
| 11:15.26 | oxek | so in general if the option is between flatpak and adding a 3rd party repo to debian, I should always go with flatpak? |
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| 11:17.20 | EdePopede | looks like ICQ started blocking alternative clients end of 2018 |
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| 11:19.17 | EdePopede | they literally killed it after more than 20 years https://hybridtechcar.com/2018/12/27/icq-has-stopped-supporting-third-party-clients-users-bury-the-messenger-and-look-for-alternatives/ |
| 11:19.17 | ws2k3 | a disk got replaced in my system. sda was pulled out and sdp came back. is there a way to move /dev/sdp to /dev/sda |
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| 11:21.13 | oxek | ws2k3: the better way would be to not refer to disks by their /dev/sdX name but by /dev/disk/by-something |
| 11:21.40 | EdePopede | ws2k3: just throw the IDs into fstab and forget about them |
| 11:21.51 | oxek | that way you no longer need to care about /dev/sdb changing to /dev/sdc randomly every reboot |
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| 11:27.12 | ws2k3 | is it possible to not set a file system type when using parted? |
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| 11:32.15 | oxek | ws2k3: perhaps we don't understand what you're asking. Please provide more details. |
| 11:36.05 | joepublic | why do you need a typeless partition? honest question |
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| 11:47.20 | EdePopede | joepublic: while i was rebuilding the new sysdisk on the other PC i took the opportunity to dd the live iso to a partition. just because. could be a usecase to have a live system around without the need of an extra drive. or maybe for some raw data, but no idea what kind of software wouldn't use a file on a fs. |
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| 12:30.36 | riverr | If packets gets ACCEPT'ed in PREROUTING table does it still proceed to filter table? |
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| 13:01.45 | holycow | does anyone know why on debian 10, gtk based apps that can stream sound by default change the pcm volume instead of just be mixed independently? |
| 13:03.00 | holycow | i can't use sites like youtube or whatever without absolutely destroying my speakers when adjusting the volume of any single youtube stream |
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| 13:42.50 | shtrb | What is the proper approach for mongodb server these days: install from stretch , install from mongodb offical repo or something else ? |
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| 13:46.52 | miskatonic | is there something wrong with mongo's deb package? |
| 13:47.09 | shtrb | mongodb server had been removed from buster already |
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| 13:48.20 | shtrb | miskatonic, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=919089 |
| 13:48.21 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/919089 in golang-github-juju-testing (closed): «Please remove (build-)dependency on mongodb for buster»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2020-03-21. |
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| 13:54.33 | miskatonic | is forking from previously open-sourced versions of mongodb possible? |
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| 13:55.48 | miskatonic | as in the case of mariadb derived from old mysql versions? |
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| 13:57.27 | joepublic | well, yes, if someone would want to take it on |
| 13:57.49 | joepublic | "if dev null is fast I will use it" |
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| 13:59.35 | EdePopede | joepublic: just a running gag or someone's real plan? |
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| 14:00.17 | joepublic | it's from https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs |
| 14:02.26 | miskatonic | i do not know what golang-github-juju-testing is (not exitant in stretch), but I assume that it did not make it to buster, either ... at best to buster contrib? |
| 14:04.24 | shtrb | sorry I had pasted the wrong bug , mongodb-server had been removed from buster and all it's deps |
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| 14:06.25 | shtrb | miskatonic, bugs.debian.org/916107 |
| 14:06.26 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/916107 in src:mongodb (closed): «mongodb: MongoDB should not be part of a stable release»; severity: serious; opened: 2018-12-10; last modified: 2020-03-23. |
| 14:06.54 | Xogium | hi folks⦠Hopefully quick question, I have to install the package that provides ifconfig on a debian 10 box⦠I checked and net-tools is already installed yet ifconfig is missing, what else am I missing ? Yeah, I don't like net-tools/ifconfig and I know it has been replaced by iproute2, but the software I use needs it |
| 14:06.55 | eth01 | hi, I'm looking to start a project of offering debian vps'es to the foss community for learning and development, is this something that would be of interest? |
| 14:07.25 | holycow | Xogium: sudo ifconfig |
| 14:07.32 | Xogium | huh |
| 14:07.32 | shtrb | Xogium, /usr/sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:07.51 | Xogium | hm, how come using it as my own user fails ? |
| 14:08.02 | Xogium | it just says ifconfig command not found |
| 14:08.17 | shtrb | You are running without it being in the PATH (sbin is not in path for normal users) |
| 14:08.17 | joepublic | because it's in sbin |
| 14:08.17 | Xogium | I've never used debian before so⦠|
| 14:08.23 | Xogium | oh |
| 14:08.32 | Xogium | right, that makes sense |
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| 14:08.34 | miskatonic | because sbin stuff is not in the path of joe normal user |
| 14:08.49 | joepublic | why does it have to be about me specifically? :) |
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| 14:09.22 | miskatonic | and if using su, do not forget that the path is not automatically adjusted anymore |
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| 14:09.41 | holycow | would anyone know why gtk apps that can stream sound set the pcm volume instead of get mixed as relative volume like apps using any other toolkit? |
| 14:09.51 | Xogium | hmmm alright |
| 14:09.59 | joepublic | to become root, use `su -` or `su -l` and not just `su` if you want the proper path including /sbin |
| 14:09.59 | miskatonic | sorry, i just selected a common first name by hazard |
| 14:10.02 | holycow | i'm using debian 10 / pulseaudio / default install |
| 14:10.06 | joepublic | :) |
| 14:10.07 | EdePopede | "I'm a web programmer." the reaction. joepublic, actually your initial quote made me think of this guy: https://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-825400.html # (and now i'll stop the OT) |
| 14:10.18 | Xogium | then it's definitely not my issue⦠I've configured ddclient to do dynamic dns update and it doesn't work |
| 14:10.35 | Xogium | so I thought about ifconfig, but obviously not since it is ran as root |
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| 14:11.52 | Xogium | WARNING: last updated <never> but last attempt on Fri Apr 24 10:02:10 2020 failed. |
| 14:11.58 | holycow | Xogium: well, if /sbin is in your path ifconfig will be able to read data but not wrote as non root user |
| 14:12.04 | holycow | only root can write via ifconfig |
| 14:13.03 | Xogium | it's just telling me to wait 5 minutes between update attempts, which I already do⦠|
| 14:14.04 | Xogium | I suspect it's able to get the ip seeing that it tries to update to it, but it is failing with no more explanation than that |
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| 14:16.14 | Xogium | but seeing that its more a ddclient config issue, that's not related to debian so I won't bother the channel more with this ;) thanks for explaining about ifconfig and the default path |
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| 14:25.41 | shtrb | So what people who use mongo do these days ? |
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| 14:29.14 | dacencora | Hey guys! This directory usually has .isos in it, but it doesn't have any right now. https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 14:29.44 | miskatonic | is there an alternative to mongo? I fear it is a niche that cannot be filled easily by sql servers or arbitrary nosql servers |
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| 14:30.44 | holycow | that is a huge question |
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| 14:34.46 | shtrb | miskatonic, There are better solution if you are on a design level , but I just wish to take something that used to work at stretch in buster. And my question was about what would better to use old versions from debian repo or using upstream versions. |
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| 14:41.30 | dacencora | So why are there no live testing isos anymore? |
| 14:41.38 | dacencora | I just downloaded some last week |
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| 14:45.42 | ksk | dacencora: these isos are for testing the installert |
| 14:45.58 | ksk | if you want to install testing, install stable, and do an upgrade. |
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| 14:46.29 | dacencora | ksk: no there were isos of testing live that were updated weekly |
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| 14:46.35 | dacencora | Downloadable as isos |
| 14:46.36 | nkuttler | perhaps they don't build right now? it's called testing for a reason |
| 14:46.54 | dacencora | I installed two machines with testing isos a few weeks ago |
| 14:47.11 | dacencora | I just wanted to get a different flavor, but now none of them are there |
| 14:48.34 | ksk | !tell dacencora about testing |
| 14:48.43 | ksk | (not the best idea to run testing in production) |
| 14:48.59 | ksk | !tell dacencora about testing security |
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| 14:50.57 | sgo11 | hi, I am not sure if I should ask this question here. Why can I use "ipset -N" but ipset manpage doesn't have "-N" argument? Thanks a lot. |
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| 14:53.57 | bmomjian | Does this Debian buster kernel message just mean someone is trying to attack my server, and I can ignore it? RPC: fragment too large: 50331691 |
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| 14:56.51 | dacencora | Ok sorry, my network went down for a minute. Ok so you're saying that testing is no good because of security |
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| 14:57.44 | dacencora | So I am wondering, because I like rolling release more than I like numbered releases, is Sid more secure than testing? I know stable is the most secure, but how is Sid? |
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| 15:01.12 | badsektor | bro why no pinta in debian? |
| 15:01.30 | luna_ | ,pinta |
| 15:01.40 | shtrb | v,pinta |
| 15:01.58 | luna_ | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pinta |
| 15:03.11 | badsektor | oh, it didn't come up in the "software" app |
| 15:03.27 | EdePopede | ,v pinta |
| 15:03.28 | judd | Package: pinta on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-3; sid: 1.6-2; stretch: 1.6-2 |
| 15:03.31 | EdePopede | software app? |
| 15:04.08 | EdePopede | seems it had a little nap |
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| 15:05.33 | badsektor | it is a gui named 'software' |
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| 15:06.55 | EdePopede | but not part of debian as it seems |
| 15:07.15 | luna_ | might be Gnome Software or Synaptic |
| 15:07.32 | EdePopede | ah, the name in the titlebar |
| 15:10.08 | luna_ | i would guess so |
| 15:12.22 | EdePopede | ,info gnome-software |
| 15:12.23 | judd | Package gnome-software (gnome, optional) in buster/amd64: Software Center for GNOME. Version: 3.30.6-5; Size: 491.1k; Installed: 2619k; Homepage: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Software; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-software |
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| 15:21.32 | badsektor | so if it is not in gnome-software then it is not supported? |
| 15:21.48 | miskatonic | what is the license of Apache CouchDB? If it was the usual apache license, it would comply with DFSG directives. |
| 15:23.38 | x0n | anyone here knowledgable with node.js? I'm trying to install from source package, build goes through but unit tests fail. I'll take that risk. how to disable the tests though? the makefile has lots of references to tests, can't have to rip them all out or must I? |
| 15:23.55 | miskatonic | badsector: not supported by whom or what? |
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| 15:38.41 | otyugh | heya, i'm confused about the security source |
| 15:38.55 | otyugh | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates |
| 15:39.03 | otyugh | deb https://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates |
| 15:39.06 | otyugh | are the same ? |
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| 16:13.51 | somiaj | otyugh: they should be, deb.debian.org will redirect you to a proper secuirty mirror. |
| 16:14.31 | somiaj | just check out http://deb.debian.org/ it gives you a brief description of what it does, and it lists debian-security as one of the mirrors it redirects for. |
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| 16:15.32 | otyugh | somiaj, okay, thanks ! |
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| 16:21.32 | simplicius | is there anyone familiar with gtk3 ? |
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| 16:28.14 | badsektor | why is pinta not in the repos? |
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| 16:30.01 | somiaj | usually because someone hasn't volunteered to package it and matain it, sometimes due to technical or license reasons |
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| 16:31.41 | somiaj | Oh in this case, looks like it was removed due to upstream beind dead. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pinta and https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=877106 -- looks like a grave bug required it to be removed |
| 16:31.42 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/877106 in pinta (open): «pinta: Pinta 1.6-2 crashes on image scaling and other image manipulation.»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-09-28; last modified: 2020-01-06. |
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| 16:50.50 | f8e4 | in systemd one can specify the user and group <--- what is this? |
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| 16:52.40 | greycat | When you run a process, you don't always want it to run as root. |
| 16:53.02 | greycat | Most daemons should run as some daemon-specific account, so that a security flaw in one doesn't compromise the entire system. |
| 16:53.03 | f8e4 | indeed User=user1, but Group=?? what to put here |
| 16:53.18 | greycat | if you don't have a specific need, just leave it out |
| 16:53.29 | f8e4 | greycat aye thank you |
| 16:53.39 | karlpinc | f8e4: Typically that user's default group. Depends.... |
| 16:53.56 | greycat | system accounts often do not have their own matching groups, the way "real" users do |
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| 16:54.37 | f8e4 | where does 'true daemons dont take args and have no workdir' come from? because i can specify all of it in the unit file |
| 16:54.38 | mutantturkey | good morning. I am using sysvinit on buster and I have a problem booting. it is hanging during boot so I do not get a console. I am looking for strategies to debug this |
| 16:55.26 | greycat | f8e4: I've never heard that one. It sounds like rubbish. |
| 16:57.01 | somiaj | mutantturkey: do you have quiet in yoru boot options in /etc/default/grub? |
| 16:57.16 | somiaj | mutantturkey: if so remove that, so you get more output as you boot |
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| 16:58.03 | mutantturkey | okay let me take a look at that. thank you |
| 16:58.23 | mutantturkey | (this is after the kernel stage, it is starting services when it gets stuck) |
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| 16:59.14 | somiaj | make sure to run update-grub after you remove quiet from the boot options to ensure you see what services could be the problem |
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| 17:02.52 | mutantturkey | well how do i run update grub if i can't boot? |
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| 17:03.23 | somiaj | use a live/recovery system, boot using init=/bin/bash or something similar |
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| 17:04.24 | somiaj | though I think grub allows you to edit boot parameters, you can also remove quiet that way, but unsure on any details |
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| 17:05.09 | mutantturkey | yes |
| 17:05.15 | mutantturkey | i am going to edit the boot params via grub |
| 17:05.22 | mutantturkey | 'doing this through digitalocean so its a bit weird |
| 17:05.22 | Choumou | Hi ! I'm trying to start a program at debian startup (before gnome startup). I tried to put my scrit into /etc/rc.local but it blocked gnome startup. Do you know how to start a script without block gnome ? |
| 17:05.40 | somiaj | mutantturkey: you will proibably still need a recovery method even if you figure out what service is hanging |
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| 17:05.53 | mutantturkey | yep not a problem |
| 17:06.22 | hyskaru | Choumou, add & at the end of your line in your rc.local |
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| 17:06.50 | Choumou | Ok i'll try thx |
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| 17:06.57 | Choumou | exit |
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| 17:12.26 | Choumou | Hi again ! How can i be sure that my startup program is launched ? Cause it doesn't seem to be launch when i look at the "startup logs" |
| 17:12.30 | mutantturkey | Choumou: somiaj yeah, recovery mode works so it's not a problem |
| 17:12.57 | mutantturkey | somiaj: that certainly made the kernel boot process more verbose, butwhen it gets to services it isn't any mor everbose and then is stuck |
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| 17:14.20 | somiaj | well it tells you last thing that worked, which helps you identify which service is having roblems |
| 17:14.33 | mutantturkey | that'd be /var/log/messages? |
| 17:14.39 | somiaj | Choumou: I smell an XY problem, my guess is rc.local is not the best way to achive your goal. What is your goal. |
| 17:14.50 | mutantturkey | yeah i tihnk pdns might be bailing, cool somiaj |
| 17:15.03 | joepublic | also, /var/log/kern.log substantially contains dmesg from the last boot |
| 17:15.03 | Choumou | My goal is to start a programm before gnome startup |
| 17:15.03 | somiaj | mutantturkey: often times the service freezes before any logs are produced, so you have to manually debug it, maybe disable the service and so on |
| 17:15.05 | greycat | rc.local is a quick hack, and if you want logging or any real management possibilities, use a systemd unit |
| 17:15.25 | greycat | Choumou: WHAT program, and what does it have to do with GNOME? |
| 17:15.28 | mutantturkey | somiaj: good tip |
| 17:15.43 | rnix | hi, i try to build ffmpeg from source package without gpl options. i removed gpl related compile flags one after another. when finally removing --enable-gpl, dh_install fails complaining about missing libpostproc binaries. any hint on this= |
| 17:15.48 | rnix | ? |
| 17:15.52 | mutantturkey | alphabetically there's pdns after my last entry (openvpn). this in combo with /var/ is telling me pdns is geting stuck. gool |
| 17:16.02 | Choumou | greycat : it's a script that do something everytime there is an authentification failure in gnome session |
| 17:16.17 | mutantturkey | rnix: sounds like you are missing libpostproc |
| 17:16.30 | mutantturkey | libpostproc-dev - FFmpeg library for post processing - development files |
| 17:16.33 | greycat | So it's meant to be run as PART of a gnome session? It has to interact with the user, or with the X/Wayland server? If that's the case, rc.local is the WRONG place for it. |
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| 17:16.49 | greycat | rc.local is for daemons that do not participate in user sessions |
| 17:16.50 | rnix | mutantturkey: not really. as long as i leave --enable-gpl in debian/rules the build passes |
| 17:17.01 | greycat | if you want to run something as part of your GNOME session, you have to configure GNOME |
| 17:17.19 | greycat | or you might be able to cheat and use ~/.xsessionrc but with GNOME, all bets are off |
| 17:17.22 | greycat | GNOME is the worst |
| 17:17.35 | somiaj | Choumou: and what do you need to do if there is an authentification failure, what is causing these failures, maybe fix the actual problem vs creating some strange hack. |
| 17:17.43 | mutantturkey | rnix: weird |
| 17:17.50 | mutantturkey | rnix: maybe it's one OR the other that's required? |
| 17:17.56 | mutantturkey | rnix: i'd just check that first |
| 17:18.03 | Choumou | somiaj : it's just for logging when someone want to have access to a gnome session |
| 17:18.21 | Choumou | greycat : i can configure gnome to launch a programm at its startup ? |
| 17:18.35 | rnix | mutantturkey: i guess libpostproc gets build as dependency somehow as long as i leave --enable-gpl. |
| 17:18.56 | greycat | Choumou: Yes. Ask a GNOME user how. I sure as hell don't know. |
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| 17:19.36 | somiaj | gnome resepets xdg standards so you write a .desktop file and stick it in some autostart dir |
| 17:19.49 | Choumou | Cause i found on internet that we can start script at gnome session startup but in my case, i want to launch the script before gnome session startup |
| 17:19.54 | somiaj | still think this is an xy problem, for aren't authentication failures already logged |
| 17:20.33 | greycat | somiaj: I'm starting to agree with you. The language Choumou is using is dodgy as hell. |
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| 18:08.49 | f8e4 | does debian have n s a backdoors? |
| 18:09.14 | ChiLLabiS | systemd |
| 18:09.22 | f8e4 | link? |
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| 18:15.18 | ChiLLabiS | No i blame every problem for systemd, kind of a joke |
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| 18:19.35 | somiaj | f8e4: Debian main is fully open, and you are welcome to audit the code. Others do some auditing, and you can find any known security issues on security-tracker.debian.org |
| 18:20.32 | somiaj | f8e4: in addition debian is move to reproducible builds to ensure that the binaires on the mirrors are the exact same as the ones generated by the code. https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds |
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| 18:25.12 | f8e4 | somiaj yeah |
| 18:25.17 | f8e4 | good news |
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| 18:25.47 | rwp | f8e4, Ubuntu infamously had direct channels to Amazon at times in the past. Sometimes it is private industry that is more insidious. |
| 18:26.53 | somiaj | this only applies to debian main, we cannot fully audit non-free code that gets on your system from contrib or non-free, though debian wouldn't knownly distribute malisious software through these unoffical repos |
| 18:28.41 | rwp | It would be a huge scandal if something were found. If you haven't heard of a huge scandal, then nothing has yet been found. |
| 18:29.23 | rwp | It can't be proven that something does not exist. But there are a lot of eyes looking. If someone saw something then they would say something. |
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| 18:54.33 | mandeep | so seems like Zoom is taking over pulseaudio for other applications as well. is there a way i can stop zoom from accessing pulse settings? |
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| 18:55.18 | EdePopede | wasn't this the reason why PA is superior to ALSA? |
| 18:55.26 | somiaj | no single app should take over pulseaudio, pulse dose software mixing. |
| 18:55.42 | somiaj | Or are you talking about the mic, it might be only one app can access the mic at a time (Which seems reasonable) |
| 18:55.43 | EdePopede | being able to use every source at the same time |
| 18:56.29 | mandeep | somehow it's affecting all app settings i think |
| 18:56.40 | mandeep | whenever im in a zoom meeting my firefox sound settings change |
| 18:56.57 | mandeep | probably because im entering a meeting through firefox |
| 18:57.03 | mandeep | and then the meeting opens in zoom |
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| 18:57.13 | EdePopede | the volume level? |
| 18:57.16 | mandeep | yeah |
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| 18:57.40 | somiaj | zoom is also constantlly changing due to security concerns, a lot of things are now disabled by default. |
| 18:57.46 | EdePopede | i have this here too. only use the mouse wheel so it advances in steps of 5%. but sometimes i see odd values. |
| 18:58.01 | mandeep | i have to go back into pavucontrol after every meeting just to get sound back in the browser |
| 18:58.10 | jmcnaught | It could be flat volumes, try disabling that: https://wiki.debian.org/PulseAudio#Sound_level_is_low_or_suddenly_becomes_too_loud |
| 18:58.23 | EdePopede | the only thing i do which may not be default is to unplug the loudspeakers when i need the system on the other machine |
| 18:58.55 | mandeep | im not sure it's flat volumes. it seems like something is actively adjusting the volume levels |
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| 19:04.12 | porton | Which control panel would you recommend? (I posses good knowledge of Linux.) |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | None. |
| 19:05.06 | miskatonic | panel for fcontrolling what? |
| 19:06.09 | porton | miskatonic: sites, databases, etc. |
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| 19:07.24 | nkuttler | porton: none, they suck |
| 19:07.36 | somiaj | porton: most of us suggestion configuring this from the command line and don't expose your server using some web based pannel for this (it only open's up security holes and doesn't often provide any feature you like). If if don't want to follow our advise |
| 19:07.47 | somiaj | !free whcp |
| 19:07.48 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 19:08.09 | somiaj | I mean any additional features |
| 19:08.14 | jhutchins | ,v zoom |
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| 19:08.15 | judd | No package named 'zoom' was found in amd64. |
| 19:08.17 | porton | thanks, I will not install a CP on my new server, following your advice. Bye |
| 19:09.26 | miskatonic | webmin has not been in debian for over ten years due to security gaps |
| 19:09.38 | mandeep | judd: you have to download the deb package from their website |
| 19:09.53 | somiaj | mandeep: judd is a bot |
| 19:09.56 | mandeep | oops |
| 19:10.08 | mandeep | jhutchins: you have to download the deb package from their website |
| 19:10.37 | jhutchins | mandeep: Yeah, I was checking to see if I got it from Debian. |
| 19:11.01 | mandeep | i see |
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| 19:13.15 | mandeep | is there a way yet to install deb packages to a user directory without root? |
| 19:13.30 | mandeep | that way i dont need to do sudo dpkg -i zoom.deb |
| 19:14.04 | somiaj | mandeep: you can extract the .deb, but depending on the package you have to do a bunch more stuff than that |
| 19:14.05 | jhutchins | mandeep: Doesn't really work that way. |
| 19:14.11 | greycat | mandeep: no, there is not. |
| 19:14.33 | mandeep | i see |
| 19:14.56 | somiaj | mandeep: appimages, flatpack, snap are prefered methods for having a self contained app in $HOME |
| 19:15.03 | jhutchins | mandeep: The only way to really achieve isolation is to build a complete chroot and run it in that. |
| 19:15.05 | somiaj | unsure if zoom provides any of those. |
| 19:15.17 | mandeep | ah yes forgot about flatpack and the like |
| 19:15.25 | jmcnaught | flathub has a zoom flatpak |
| 19:15.27 | mandeep | yeah i thought about a chroot too |
| 19:15.34 | jhutchins | There's probably a way to do it with docker, but docker and networking don't play well together. |
| 19:15.44 | somiaj | you still have to be root for chroots, so don't really gain much from that vs just installing the .deb on the systme. |
| 19:16.02 | mandeep | i imagine you face the same issues with flatpak though |
| 19:16.06 | somiaj | and chroots and xorg requires a bit more work to be able to run a gui app in a chroot on your current running xorg. |
| 19:16.09 | jhutchins | mandeep: You could try a different browser. |
| 19:16.43 | mandeep | jhutchins: i was having similar issues with chromium :( |
| 19:16.46 | jmcnaught | mandeep: flatpaks can be installed by non-privileged users, it's how I have Discord and Steam installed on buster. |
| 19:16.50 | jhutchins | mandeep: Yeah, sound settings aren't a matter of packaging, it's how zoom sets the audio preferences, which is internal to zoom. |
| 19:17.06 | jhutchins | It's not a question of installation. |
| 19:18.03 | NetTerminalGene | ubuntu 20.04 released. it beats buster now |
| 19:18.13 | NetTerminalGene | debian lose |
| 19:18.17 | greycat | Bye. |
| 19:18.19 | mandeep | jmcnaught: ah nice |
| 19:18.43 | mandeep | jhutchins: yeah seems like there's no way around it |
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| 19:19.36 | jhutchins | ... beats buster because it has bigger numbers. |
| 19:20.11 | dvs | proposes Debian S20 |
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| 19:35.07 | NetTerminalGene | i want ubuntu theme on my buster |
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| 19:37.05 | thejonny | install the package and use update-alternatives, it should work :) |
| 19:37.09 | thejonny | i am using the squeeze theme |
| 19:37.53 | somiaj | umm, I don't think that does what you think it dose. |
| 19:38.15 | somiaj | I'm unsure where ubuntu stores it's theme, but look at gnome shell themes, and install it locally in $HOME |
| 19:39.14 | somiaj | though not finding any decent guides on how to change the gnome shell theme in debian |
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| 20:03.20 | warsoul | my pc just froze |
| 20:03.25 | warsoul | and restart it by itself |
| 20:03.35 | warsoul | how can i check/fix whats wrong |
| 20:03.55 | towo` | if you have persistent journal, look there |
| 20:04.20 | towo` | if not, make it persistent, to have it on the next freeze |
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| 20:09.26 | warsoul | how di i check that |
| 20:09.27 | warsoul | towo` |
| 20:10.48 | greycat | journalctl -b |
| 20:11.28 | towo` | better -b1 |
| 20:11.44 | towo` | for the log from the boot where it freezed |
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| 20:12.27 | somiaj | warsoul: you can check if you have persistent journal by seeing if the directory /var/log/journal exists |
| 20:12.32 | somiaj | if it doesn't create it |
| 20:12.53 | warsoul | bash: cd: journal: No such file or directory |
| 20:12.57 | warsoul | think i dont have it |
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| 20:13.11 | somiaj | yea, by default it won't exist so you have to create it |
| 20:13.12 | greycat | or if you meant "how do I enable persistent journal", see systemd-journald.service(8) |
| 20:13.28 | greycat | god DAMN that page is hard to find and obnoxious to type |
| 20:13.53 | warsoul | ok |
| 20:13.57 | warsoul | how do i enable it? |
| 20:14.00 | greycat | god DAMN that page is hard to find and obnoxious to type |
| 20:14.02 | greycat | or if you meant "how do I enable persistent journal", see systemd-journald.service(8) |
| 20:14.16 | somiaj | warsoul: I told you how to enable it |
| 20:14.33 | warsoul | the page is not opening |
| 20:14.35 | somiaj | < somiaj> if it doesn't create it -- enables persistance logging |
| 20:14.39 | greycat | the man page has a second step after the mkdir |
| 20:14.48 | petn-randall | Either greycat is stuck in a loop, or there's a glitch in the matrix. |
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| 20:15.17 | greycat | I'm really getting tired of giving and answer, and then people don't read it, and ask the same damned question that I literally JUST ANSWERED. |
| 20:15.39 | greycat | Especially after spending multiple minutes and multiple search terms trying to FIND said answer. |
| 20:16.24 | warsoul | greycat |
| 20:16.29 | warsoul | that page is not opening |
| 20:16.35 | petn-randall | :> |
| 20:16.40 | greycat | "man systemed-journald.service" |
| 20:17.22 | petn-randall | "man systemd-journald.service" |
| 20:17.31 | warsoul | man systemed-journald.service |
| 20:17.31 | warsoul | No manual entry for systemed-journald.service |
| 20:17.34 | greycat | dpkg, (1) is <reply>Unix man pages are divided into sections, which normally have numeric names. ls(1) means the page "ls" in section "1". To read it, you type "man 1 ls". |
| 20:17.35 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:17.42 | greycat | warsoul: you're misspelling it. |
| 20:17.48 | greycat | FUCK |
| 20:17.50 | greycat | Just FUCK. |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 20:18.10 | greycat | FUCK YOU TOO SYSTEMD FOR MAKING THIS SHIT SO GOD DAMNED HARD TO TYPE |
| 20:18.18 | greycat | What the HELL. |
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| 20:18.44 | greycat | !(1) |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | Unix man pages are divided into sections, which normally have numeric names. ls(1) means the page "ls" in section "1". To read it, you type "man 1 ls". |
| 20:18.55 | greycat | There, good enough. |
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| 20:19.20 | greycat | So when I type 16:14 greycat> or if you meant "how do I enable persistent journal", see systemd-journald.service(8) |
| 20:19.28 | greycat | You now have the instructions for how to READ IT. |
| 20:23.12 | tharkun | Is there a 32 bit build of debian? |
| 20:23.19 | greycat | Yes. Several, in fact. |
| 20:23.46 | greycat | !arch |
| 20:23.47 | dpkg | methinks arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 20:24.31 | tharkun | greycat: Thanks. For some reason I believed there where not enough downloads to justify the build and fine tuning. |
| 20:24.57 | greycat | i386 is still widely used, if that's the particular 32-bit arch you meant. We're not Ubuntu. |
| 20:25.21 | tharkun | greycat: We know each other since sarge :) |
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| 20:26.13 | somiaj | though unless you have really old hardware, amd64+multiarch is what many suggest, afiak debian has no plans to remove the i386 arch any time soon. |
| 20:26.31 | annadane | i'm used to greycat yelling at people, not man pages :D |
| 20:26.39 | greycat | aren't there still some niche i386 systems being built and sold today? |
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| 20:26.58 | tharkun | somiaj: After I get this laptop its driving license I will nuke winxp and then install debian. |
| 20:27.21 | foul_owl | Debian has various types of install media "live", "netinst" etc. Each of these types has a corresponding "nonfree" also. Should each type of "nonfree" iso contain identical firmware, everything else being equal? |
| 20:28.23 | greycat | debian-live should just remove the installer from their images already |
| 20:28.38 | somiaj | foul_owl: only the debian-installer on the non-live systems without firmware (netinstall, cd1, dvd1) are considered offical. |
| 20:28.49 | somiaj | foul_owl: non-free firmware images and live installers are not offical. |
| 20:28.55 | foul_owl | Ahh, understood |
| 20:29.07 | foul_owl | Who builds the "nonfree" isos? |
| 20:29.18 | foul_owl | What is the project or org who does that |
| 20:29.28 | somiaj | greycat: From what i've seen in buster, the live images use the offical debian-installer and the new installer from inside the live image actually is quite relaiable, seen various people with sucess with it |
| 20:29.49 | somiaj | foul_owl: they are all built by debian, but due to DFSG, debian will never call anything with non-free software offical. |
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| 20:29.54 | greycat | yeah, installs from buster's debian-live actually seem to *work* for, like, the first time in history |
| 20:30.10 | Delf | I must pester you⦠about multi-seat :( |
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| 20:30.25 | foul_owl | My issue is this |
| 20:30.26 | greycat | which has had the unfortunate side effect that people think they should *actually install* from a -live |
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| 20:30.45 | foul_owl | The livecd has the firmware I need |
| 20:30.54 | foul_owl | But I'm trying to install from netinst with preseed |
| 20:31.01 | foul_owl | And netinst doesn't have the firmware |
| 20:31.02 | somiaj | dpkg has a factoid about this, but i can't recall the name of the software being used |
| 20:31.02 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, somiaj |
| 20:31.19 | foul_owl | here's the diff: https://pastebin.com/axrbBbT5 |
| 20:31.22 | foul_owl | (live, netinst) |
| 20:31.24 | somiaj | foul_owl: the unoffical netinstall with firmware still doesn't have the correct firmware? |
| 20:31.29 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 20:31.29 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:31.38 | foul_owl | The netinst does not |
| 20:31.41 | somiaj | !calamares |
| 20:31.41 | dpkg | Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See https://jonathancarter.org/2019/10/17/calamares-plans-for-debian-11/ and https://averagelinuxuser.com/debian-10-calamares/ |
| 20:31.54 | foul_owl | I repack the netinst anyway with my preseed |
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| 20:32.03 | somiaj | foul_owl: the unoffical netinstaller right? (if you say netinstall I assume offical and of course that doesn't have any firmware) |
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| 20:32.15 | foul_owl | Correct |
| 20:32.21 | joepublic | the debian installer is somewhat unreliable? |
| 20:32.28 | foul_owl | I've only ever used "nonfree" since debian 6 |
| 20:32.44 | foul_owl | As all systems I've installed debian on need some firmware unfortunately |
| 20:33.00 | foul_owl | So I copied the firmware over from live to netinst |
| 20:33.17 | foul_owl | But the installer still refuses to use it |
| 20:33.32 | somiaj | joepublic: the offical installre is fairly reliable in a wide varitie of situations, on both legach and ufi systems, from both usb and cdrom, but there are issues in edge cases. |
| 20:33.49 | joepublic | somiaj, yes, in contrast with the impression that the factoid above gives. |
| 20:33.53 | foul_owl | How do I convince netinst to use the entire contents of "firmware" |
| 20:34.18 | Delf | foul_owl: So this one has the firmware you want but the netinst isn't using it? https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:34.18 | somiaj | foul_owl: you have to put the firmware on a separate usb stick. Sounds like you have hardware that requires firwmare to new for the netinstall |
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| 20:34.43 | foul_owl | Delf: It does not have that firmware. I had to copy the firmware over from the livecd |
| 20:34.45 | somiaj | joepublic: the debian-installer on the live images isn't as relaiable (and for some the calameres installer has better luck), but this is the debian-installer on the live images, not the offical debian install images. |
| 20:34.47 | foul_owl | And repack the iso |
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| 20:34.59 | foul_owl | Here is the list of firmware from the livecd https://pastebin.com/3Ueer8qM |
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| 20:35.15 | foul_owl | And here's the list from the netinst: https://pastebin.com/kvRy7gtx |
| 20:35.34 | foul_owl | somiaj: The firmware can't be bundled with the iso itself? |
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| 20:36.02 | somiaj | foul_owl: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.en.html |
| 20:36.12 | somiaj | foul_owl: no, you have to supply it on a separte usb stick during the install |
| 20:36.22 | foul_owl | Why do any isos ship with a "firmware" directory at all then? |
| 20:36.55 | greycat | dpkg, persistent journal is <reply>In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+. |
| 20:36.55 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 20:36.59 | somiaj | foul_owl: you just have poorly supported hardware, but the non-free netinstaller does provide firmware for many devices and requires no extra work. |
| 20:37.18 | foul_owl | Why does the livecd work but the netinst doesn't then? |
| 20:37.33 | foul_owl | Why aren't the "firmware" dirs identical? |
| 20:37.38 | foul_owl | It defies sanity |
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| 20:38.11 | somiaj | foul_owl: what does it matter? The live team is different, and they may just be newer images than the offical installer. |
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| 20:38.22 | greycat | It's almost like they're two different images! |
| 20:38.27 | Delf | Can someone verify that multi-seat is not working as intended on debian stable? At least update the wiki to let people know that it's partially broken https://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 20:39.05 | foul_owl | It's almost as if making them different is causing a problem |
| 20:39.58 | greycat | You assume things that are not true, like "Debian is a single entity with a single and consistent policy". |
| 20:40.13 | greycat | the -live team is totally separate from the d-i team |
| 20:40.14 | foul_owl | Why not include a random firmware assortment for each type of desktop iso. mate will get firmware a, b, and c, and gnome gets firmware c, d, and e |
| 20:40.15 | trek00 | foul_owl: it's just a matter of what is free and what's not, official debian installer images are completely free software, then there are the unofficial non-free images with firmware; the live images probably contains firmware because you could have more problems, installing firmware inside those live images every time you use it |
| 20:41.04 | foul_owl | greycat: That is an incorrect assumption on my part |
| 20:41.59 | foul_owl | I simply want a netinst with a directory containing all firmware that has ever shipped with any version of any iso built for debian 10 |
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| 20:42.47 | foul_owl | I don't mind repacking the iso myself |
| 20:43.06 | trek00 | Delf: exactly, what it not working? may be the wiki howto is a bit outdated |
| 20:43.16 | foul_owl | But I don't want to load it from a separate usb drive as that negates the purpose of preseeding, a fully automated installation |
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| 20:43.49 | trek00 | foul_owl: then try the non-free debian images: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 20:44.29 | greycat | He seems to be claiming that the non-free netinst is missing something, or has too-old something, but he's not saying what, because why be explicit and problem-focused when you can rant and ask for the moon? |
| 20:44.58 | foul_owl | I have said what |
| 20:45.02 | foul_owl | https://pastebin.com/axrbBbT5 |
| 20:45.06 | foul_owl | This is the diff |
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| 20:45.26 | foul_owl | Notice how the live cd contains firmware that the netinst does not? |
| 20:45.51 | foul_owl | Why do you keep ignoring my link and acting like I'm making things up? |
| 20:45.57 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:46.11 | trek00 | foul_owl: ok, but try to diff the non-free images with the live one |
| 20:46.20 | foul_owl | The link IS THE DIFF |
| 20:46.40 | trek00 | foul_owl: diff of non-free images with the live one? |
| 20:46.47 | greycat | "I don't just want the one firmware package I *actually* need, so I won't tell you which one I want, because what I *ACTUALLY* *WANT* is for the entire Debian culture to be overhauled and for all the images to be unified under one central controller!!!" |
| 20:47.00 | foul_owl | trek00: yes |
| 20:47.22 | foul_owl | This isn't for just one install |
| 20:47.23 | trek00 | foul_owl: which one is the live? it's not written in the diff |
| 20:47.27 | foul_owl | live, netinst |
| 20:47.46 | Delf | trek00: The wiki is not out dated. Debian old-stable is working but not current stable. Locking and unlocking doesn't work. When a user logs out from seat1 or seat2, seat0 gets locked and no gdm is respawned until someone else on another seat logs out⦠only seat0 is able to log out and respawn a gdm login. |
| 20:48.19 | trek00 | Delf: may be something need to be configured with newer logind? |
| 20:48.29 | foul_owl | greycat: I'm not asking for anything to be overhauled, I'm happy to build the iso myself |
| 20:48.50 | greycat | The unofficial images are not supported by Debian. They are "as is". If your life would be improved by you making a new custom netinst image with more firmware, then do that. |
| 20:49.10 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 20:49.10 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>. |
| 20:49.31 | foul_owl | That is what I am trying to get help with here :( |
| 20:49.43 | Delf | trek00: Err⦠Good question. I'll look it up now. Thanks! |
| 20:49.48 | foul_owl | I understand all that, I've been building custom isos since debian 6 |
| 20:49.59 | trek00 | foul_owl: well, probably the live team added more firmware packages than the non-free netinst team |
| 20:50.20 | foul_owl | I understand now they are differnet teams |
| 20:50.42 | foul_owl | My question is simply: if I copy firmware over from the livecd to the netinst, why doesn't the netinst load that firmware? |
| 20:51.01 | foul_owl | I have built an iso that contains the union of both sets of firmware |
| 20:51.18 | foul_owl | But I can't convince the netinst to load it from the contents of the firmware dir |
| 20:51.41 | foul_owl | My question isn't some insane idea, it's the best solution for a fully automated install |
| 20:52.07 | trek00 | foul_owl: if the contents are unpacked inside the correct /lib/firmware directory, the installer should see and use them (but not install) |
| 20:52.13 | foul_owl | Especially when every person I know is asking me for debian on their shitty laptop so they can ditch windows 10 |
| 20:53.15 | foul_owl | trek00: Understood. This is my issue. I can see the firmware from the live cd in that location, but the installer is not loading it |
| 20:53.41 | foul_owl | Rather, I can confirm that the firmware from the livecd has been copied correctly to the netinst iso |
| 20:54.04 | kingsley | I wonder if Debian's package management infrastructure could benefit from the X Binary Package System (in short XBPS). Evidently its creator just resigned from the Void project. You can see this is so at |
| 20:54.07 | kingsley | https://github.com/void-linux/void-infrastructure/issues/67 |
| 20:54.43 | trek00 | foul_owl: are the kernel versions the same? may be the kernel module that uses those firmware was not compiled in? |
| 20:55.15 | kingsley | My cursory review of XBPS's features suggests, at least to me, commendable management of software complexity. |
| 20:55.28 | user217217 | hello. I can't remove redis. Is any trics? |
| 20:55.35 | foul_owl | Ahh, good point, I didn't consider that |
| 20:55.44 | kingsley | XBPS's highlights are listed at |
| 20:55.53 | foul_owl | Let me take a look, thank you! |
| 20:55.54 | kingsley | https://github.com/xtraeme/xbps |
| 20:57.09 | trek00 | user217217: what error message is printed? |
| 20:57.31 | user217217 | trek00: just stuck on 11% |
| 20:58.33 | trek00 | kingsley: debian is based on dpkg and apt, may be some of those features could be incorporated inside the actual infrastructure, but it's unlikely that debian could switch to a completely different packaging system |
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| 20:59.00 | kingsley | trek00: I agree. |
| 20:59.05 | trek00 | user217217: if you are using synaptic, may be you can open the logs window and see the actual error message |
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| 20:59.28 | user217217 | trek00: I use console now |
| 20:59.35 | HelloShitty | Hello... Anyone with some hplip/sane/xsane knowledge that can hepl me to troubleshoot a problem I have with my scanner device? |
| 20:59.58 | petn-randall | HelloShitty: It's best if you ask away, anyone knowing the answer will respond. |
| 21:00.01 | trek00 | user217217: which command you typed? |
| 21:00.01 | user217217 | trek00: also I get timeout error when try to stop it |
| 21:00.27 | user217217 | for remove: sudo apt purge redis-server |
| 21:01.04 | trek00 | user217217: please paste the full output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:01.08 | user217217 | to stop: /etc/init.d/redis-server stop |
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| 21:04.56 | HelloShitty | I have connected my new router and I have been able to connect my AIO printer to the router but I can only print over wireless network |
| 21:05.04 | HelloShitty | but I can't scan over the wireless network |
| 21:05.18 | HelloShitty | when I start xsane, it says it couldn't find any scanner device |
| 21:05.48 | HelloShitty | I have hplip and hp-aio installed and when I try to run hp-check I get severall python errors |
| 21:06.38 | user217217 | trek00: I'm on phone now. I can just make photo |
| 21:07.01 | trek00 | user217217: it's better than nothing :) |
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| 21:17.41 | foul_owl | trek00: both live and netinst have the same kernel version: 4.19.0-8-amd64 |
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| 21:20.19 | sney | HelloShitty: fwiw, I haven't had consistent success making my hp scanner work in debian either. I usually end up just scanning to a thumbdrive. Not sure what to suggest since hp doesn't have much in the way of non-windows support |
| 21:20.25 | Delf | trek00: It's not because of logind.conf :(. I'm miserable but it made me happy at least a little bit thinking it was it. |
| 21:20.56 | sney | I did have it working once, but I didn't write down the exact working versions of everything before an upgrade broke scanning again |
| 21:21.59 | sney | and hp-check is known to complain about stuff missing when it isn't |
| 21:22.56 | Delf | If any devs are in eu I can ship a gpu for them to try multi-seat |
| 21:27.40 | sney | the wiki already doesn't list buster as a supported release, but I can add a sentence making that explicit |
| 21:28.01 | sney | I wonder if it works through lightdm or sddm with different desktop environments |
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| 21:32.58 | lwp | foul_owl, if you can get a more specific complaint of some specific firmware that should be added to one of those images, then file a bug |
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| 21:36.55 | trek00 | Delf: is mulitseat working only with gdm? or may be others dm can do better? |
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| 21:37.12 | foul_owl | lwp: What is more specific than listing the files? |
| 21:37.51 | foul_owl | Why is that so hard to understand? Here is the god damn list: https://pastebin.com/axrbBbT5 |
| 21:38.12 | trek00 | foul_owl: none of those firmware gets loaded? |
| 21:38.27 | trek00 | foul_owl: what dmesg says? |
| 21:39.26 | lwp | foul_owl, we've all seen your lazy diff output. if you want something changed, you should create a specific request for adding some specific thing(s) to some specific version of some specific installer or live image. otherwise, you are just ranting |
| 21:39.59 | foul_owl | trek00: Correct, the firmware does not get loaded |
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| 21:40.17 | sney | the live and installer teams are technically separate so it is possible for them to have some minor variance between releases. a bug report calling attention to this will probably result in the problem being fixed quickly. |
| 21:40.27 | trek00 | foul_owl: please paste the full output to paste.debian.net/ |
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| 21:43.32 | foul_owl | trek00: I need to locate another usb drive so I can copy the output of dmesg off the installation target |
| 21:43.52 | foul_owl | sney: Thank you, you are first person to acknowledge that this is an issue |
| 21:43.59 | trek00 | foul_owl: that could bring some more detailed info to debug it |
| 21:44.57 | foul_owl | I don't understand why me identifying a mistake in the iso builds qualifies me as a lunatic. If it were me, I would say "oh damn, that shouldn't be like that, I can see how that is messing up your preseed netinst" |
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| 21:45.31 | foul_owl | trek00: Thank you, let me work on that |
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| 21:51.04 | trek00 | 24°C today! |
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| 21:55.59 | Delf | trek00: Locking an session is not available in other dms |
| 21:56.40 | Delf | Multi-seat seams to be⦠obsolete. I'm an endangered species :P |
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| 21:58.41 | plantroon | how is firewall gonna be handled going ofrward? Will the next Debian support iptables or ipset ? |
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| 21:59.08 | sney | Delf: sddm definitely supports locking unless you mean something other than what it does automatically on my machine after I walk away for a while |
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| 21:59.34 | sney | plantroon: netfilter upstream is pushing everyone from iptables to nftables. there are compatibility options to help with the transition |
| 21:59.43 | Delf | sney: Locking in multi-seat setup or single-seat? |
| 22:00.09 | sney | I only have single-seat, but have you tried it with multi? |
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| 22:00.54 | plantroon | sney: I noticed that, and the Debian is freaking awesome at handling the compat in Buster. I was actaully amazed because I started looking into reworking everything to nft before upgrading. But will this work in the future? ipset is also a "legacy" feature I believe and for many things there are just no equivalents in nft (ebtables, geoip) |
| 22:01.26 | Delf | sney: Might have tried it before. Going to try it now and let you know |
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| 22:02.23 | sney | plantroon: as long as the kernel retains support for ip sets, there will be some way to manipulate them. but you'd have to ask upstream for specific plans. |
| 22:02.51 | jim | where's the debian kernel manual living? |
| 22:03.01 | sney | !kernel handbook |
| 22:03.01 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.debian.net/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 22:03.55 | jim | handbook... ok, thanks |
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| 22:08.31 | Delf | sney: locking the session is not possible, confirmed |
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| 22:09.35 | sney | hmm. I wonder where support broke down. I'm inclined to point at systemd, except that tends to bring out the crazies |
| 22:09.52 | sney | in any case, talking with upstream is probably a good next direction for you |
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| 22:12.03 | Delf | For who? Gnome or sddm? |
| 22:12.42 | sney | systemd. since logind used to handle it but doesn't anymore, right? |
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| 22:21.30 | foul_owl | trek00: https://paste.debian.net/1142891/ |
| 22:21.47 | foul_owl | Relevant line seems to be "firmware: failed to load mrvl/pcie8897_uapsta.bin" |
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| 22:24.08 | n01d | where can I get a barebone copy of slackware? |
| 22:24.14 | dvs | foul_owl, seems to be missing firmware-libertas |
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| 22:27.12 | foul_owl | Is that just a deb I can put on the repacked iso? |
| 22:27.41 | dvs | yes |
| 22:28.45 | jhutchins | Hey foul_owl! |
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| 22:30.26 | foul_owl | Hmm, I see "firmware-libertas_20190114-2_all.deb" on the original netinst iso |
| 22:30.34 | foul_owl | And on my repacked version |
| 22:30.55 | foul_owl | jhutchins: Hello |
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| 22:35.40 | trek00 | foul_owl: i can only see mrvl/pcie8897_uapsta.bin not loading for two times, but it was loaded the third one |
| 22:36.42 | foul_owl | Hmm |
| 22:37.35 | foul_owl | The installer just says "No ethernet card detected" |
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| 22:39.36 | trek00 | foul_owl: try to open the shell inside installer and check with lspci -k if the module was loaded and with ifconfig -a if it is ready |
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| 22:42.41 | foul_owl | lspci shows the card |
| 22:43.22 | karlpinc | plantroon: https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Moving_from_ipset_to_nftables |
| 22:43.22 | foul_owl | So the installer has a bug then |
| 22:43.55 | foul_owl | ip addr show shows wlp1s0 |
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| 22:47.08 | foul_owl | How do I convince the installer that my card does exist? |
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| 22:57.41 | foul_owl | It prompts me with a huge list of firmware, unfortunately I don't see my card in the list, but lspci shows it correctly |
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| 23:23.51 | \n3p | Sigyn, #debian-next is invite only is that ok? How can I get invited= |
| 23:24.05 | sney | !debian-next |
| 23:24.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:24.23 | HelloShitty | sney: sorry I missed your reply |
| 23:24.36 | HelloShitty | Well, I haven't that much issues |
| 23:24.43 | HelloShitty | this is probably the worst one |
| 23:24.54 | HelloShitty | I'm always able to make it work |
| 23:24.54 | \n3p | thx |
| 23:24.59 | HelloShitty | but not this time |
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| 23:32.52 | lwp | foul_owl, does the problem happen the same way with the unmodified firmware installer .iso ? i.e. is it possible that your repacking has changed something that confuses the installer code ? |
| 23:34.27 | foul_owl | Same issue with either iso |
| 23:34.33 | foul_owl | But no issue with the livecd |
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| 23:50.52 | Ooze | I'm freezing after entering my user and password, often after just my username, on the login page for Debian. Is this an issue w/ my X env yet? |
| 23:50.59 | Ooze | Or is the login page separate? |
| 23:51.07 | Ooze | Just now installing xdm or something |
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| 23:54.19 | HelloShitty | ok, my problem, seems to be about something called PolicyKit |
| 23:54.38 | HelloShitty | I mean, about not being able to run hp-check and getting python errors |
| 23:54.56 | HelloShitty | it is complaining about /etc/PolicyKit |