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| 00:02.13 | lwp | foul_owl, looking at your dmesg post. The pcie8897_uapsta.bin firmware is unsuccessfully loaded the first try; 2 error messages from that try both say error -2, which is -ENOENT, meaning file not found. The third mention shows the firmware successfully loaded. Note that this is the wireless network adapter, and it does come up successfully. |
| 00:03.07 | lwp | foul_owl, also, when you reported here that "ip addr show shows wlp1s0" note that the wl.... part of that would indicate a wireless network adapter |
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| 00:06.44 | lwp | (and of course, wireless is not ethernet) |
| 00:07.40 | trek00 | foul_owl: it seems the debian installer can't see that kernel found a network card, i don't know why, may be you need debug further, may be configuring it manually will allow the installer to continue? |
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| 00:08.40 | trek00 | foul_owl: it could be the interface comes up or begin renamed after the installer is started |
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| 00:17.56 | lwp | I don't see anything about any ethernet card anywhere in that dmesg -- i just now scanned the whole thing. |
| 00:19.37 | lwp | the wireless is renamed here: 48.132138] mwifiex_pcie 0000:01:00.0 wlp1s0: renamed from mlan0 |
| 00:20.34 | lwp | (after the successful load of the firmware which was claimed to be missing from the iso) |
| 00:23.35 | lwp | foul_owl, when you say "lspci shows the card" can you show us that lspci output please ? |
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| 02:07.28 | apteryx | hello! which implementation of locate is used by default in Debian? GNU? |
| 02:07.47 | sney | yep |
| 02:07.58 | sney | ,info locate |
| 02:07.59 | judd | Package locate (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: maintain and query an index of a directory tree. Version: 4.6.0+git+20190209-2; Size: 263.3k; Installed: 421k; Homepage: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/findutils/; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/locate |
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| 02:09.49 | trek00 | apteryx: there is also mlocate |
| 02:09.51 | apteryx | Thanks! I wonder why emacs-helm uses mlocate's updatedb as default (see: https://github.com/emacs-helm/helm/blob/ed3cc067376b6c89a102b45fd77fee6f2cc2d436/helm-locate.el#L80). Is it as/more ubiquitious than GNU findutils' updatedb across distros? |
| 02:10.59 | trek00 | apteryx: it's more secure as it check if the user has the permissions to list directory contents |
| 02:12.44 | trek00 | apteryx: anyway updatedb is provided by both locate and mlocate |
| 02:19.19 | apteryx | trek00: thanks for the info |
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| 02:37.11 | nickgaw | Hi, Is this the best place for advice on how to build a custom debian installation disc with the mate desktop and build-essential on it? |
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| 02:54.24 | karlpinc | nickgaw: Could be. If you have specific problems people here will try to help. |
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| 02:55.30 | Lovepump | Can someone help explain why this: "libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.1 (= 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2) but 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3 is to be installed" |
| 02:55.43 | Lovepump | is happening to me a day after a fresh install of stable? |
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| 02:59.26 | karlpinc | Lovepump: Have you done an "apt update"? Have you installed any non-debain packages? |
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| 03:01.40 | dvs | ,v libssl-dev |
| 03:01.41 | judd | Package: libssl-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u8; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u12; stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.1.1g-1; sid: 1.1.1g-1 |
| 03:02.12 | dvs | ,v libssl |
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| 03:02.13 | judd | No package named 'libssl' was found in amd64. |
| 03:02.22 | dvs | ,v libssl1.1 |
| 03:02.23 | judd | Package: libssl1.1 on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.1.0l-1~deb9u1; buster: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2; buster-security: 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.1.1g-1; sid: 1.1.1g-1 |
| 03:05.54 | Lovepump | Ahh - was missing the security repo from sources.list |
| 03:06.28 | dvs | Still doesn't say how the security libssl-dev got on there |
| 03:10.46 | Lovepump | I was trying to install libssl-dev without the security repo enabled that gave me libssl |
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| 03:33.37 | luna_ | when crying after deleting someones homefolder :( |
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| 03:39.11 | Betal | about package naming, is there any diference on + - ~ between upstream_version and debian_version, example: 1.1.1d-0'+'deb10u2 |
| 03:39.50 | somiaj | Betal: yes. One second |
| 03:40.14 | somiaj | Betal: in general the - always means debian revision (so dash is not part of the official upstream version) |
| 03:40.53 | somiaj | the + means it is a debian revision and is a higher version, ~ means it is a change but is lower version, ~ is used for backports to esnure the backport version is less than the actual version in testing (to allow future upgrades) |
| 03:41.23 | Betal | somiaj: higher version? |
| 03:41.27 | somiaj | http://www.fifi.org/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/ch-versions.html |
| 03:41.49 | somiaj | when upgrading apt has to be able to determine if the packge is a newer (higher) version than the current one installed |
| 03:42.00 | somiaj | so 1.1-4~foo < 1.1-4 < 1.1-4+foo |
| 03:42.37 | Betal | somiaj: this link don't say the diff between - ~ +, or it does? I was trying to understand it, but could not find the diff |
| 03:43.00 | somiaj | yea, that link is a bit old, lets see if I can find an update |
| 03:43.11 | Betal | I was on this https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 03:44.30 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version |
| 03:44.46 | Betal | somiaj: the same link |
| 03:44.51 | somiaj | anyways, it states how the ~ affects the order, "For example, the following parts are in sorted order from earliest to latest: ~~, ~~a, ~, the empty part, a" |
| 03:45.11 | somiaj | but it is always [epoch:]upstreamversion[-debianrevision] |
| 03:45.20 | annadane | hmm, how to kill a flatpak program that won't close... |
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| 03:45.59 | somiaj | and the -debianrevsion is a version that needs to be able to dtermine which version is newer, and things like ~ . + affect how two version numbers are compared |
| 03:46.05 | somiaj | annadane: you have tried kill -9 <pid> |
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| 03:48.53 | trek00 | luna_: you could try ext4magic |
| 03:49.34 | luna_ | trek00: for what? |
| 03:50.14 | Betal | somiaj: if we get the libssl1.1 as example, 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3, this -0 means there is no upstream version right?, then +deb means higher than what? |
| 03:50.15 | trek00 | luna_: to undelete, sometimes it works |
| 03:50.27 | luna_ | trek00: its hard to undelete feelings |
| 03:51.14 | luna_ | its more feelings then a Quasselconfig |
| 03:53.03 | somiaj | Betal: no, upstream version is 1.1.1d, debian revision is 0+deb10u3 |
| 03:53.34 | somiaj | Betal: the intial debian package was 1.1.1d-0, then a security bug was found, so 1.1.1d-0+deb10u1, then another one was found 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2 |
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| 03:54.03 | somiaj | the reason security puts the +deb10u? as the new version is they want to make it clear that the package is the debian package 1.1.1d-0 with only security patches applied |
| 03:54.56 | somiaj | but in the end, the main thing is 1.1.1d-0 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u1 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u2 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u3 < 1.1.1d-0+deb10u4 (the debian revision is just a standard to understand what patches have been applied to upstream) |
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| 03:59.37 | somiaj | Betal: but all the policy says is [epoch:]upstreamversion[-debianrevision], and the instructions for comparing two versions, first compare epoch, then if the epoch's are the same compare upstreamversion, then if the upstreamversion are the same compare debianrevision. |
| 04:00.28 | somiaj | these are done using a lexographical comaprisions where + . - ~ have special meanings for how this comparision works |
| 04:02.16 | somiaj | the debian revision just uses a standard -0 (though usually starts at -1), -1, -2, -3, -4, and so on, represent changes in the package by debian, often adding patches, changing features/config options. the +deb10u? are security patches, and the ~bpo.? are backports, where ~ makes the version less than so 1.1.1d-0 > 1.1.1d-0~bpo.1 (that way the packages upgrade correctly) |
| 04:03.02 | Betal | somiaj: looks each package can have its own debianrevision way of using ~-+, but I got the main idea, for example many packages only have -1, this means is the first debian package and don't have backports or security, like firefox-esr on sid/bullseye, while it have ~deb{10,9,8}u1 on other versions |
| 04:06.04 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there any chance Debian will get the real Firefox and Chrome browsers? Firefox esr and Chromium have issues. |
| 04:06.49 | trek00 | Lady_Aleena: you could download the tarball and install under your home |
| 04:06.54 | somiaj | Betal: matainers can decide that, but most follow the standard of -1, -2, -3, and so on. the -2+foo, -2~foo, are ways to add revisions done by non matainers and still respect the matainers revisions |
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| 04:07.10 | annadane | there's a project called fasttrack which may end up doing that within debian, but yes, you can always just use the regular browsers, you're not bound to debian packages |
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| 04:09.06 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: google provides a nice debian repo for google-chrome that is safe to use with debian, and you can apt-get install google-chrome. |
| 04:09.19 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: for firefox you have to install the upstream binary in $HOME |
| 04:09.30 | Lady_Aleena | Eek! |
| 04:10.07 | Lady_Aleena | So, I could remove Chromium and install Chrome? |
| 04:10.11 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main -- that will get you google-chrome |
| 04:10.15 | Lady_Aleena | Is that recommended? |
| 04:10.24 | somiaj | you can have both chromium and google-chrome installed side by side |
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| 04:10.47 | somiaj | often times chromium isn't that far behind google-chrome, but google-chrome adds googles' branding and some other non-free stuff |
| 04:10.56 | Betal | somiaj: thanks, if this is correct, then now I can read the package versions, and reading changelog make sense like there, even after '68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1', it got a upstream new version, still with '1-deb10u1' related fix, https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/f/firefox-esr/firefox-esr_68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1_changelog and here they decide to use ~, but there is no problem to use + |
| 04:10.58 | Betal | instead ~ |
| 04:11.04 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I am a ONE of each type person. If I have one, I do not want the other to clutter up my system. |
| 04:11.42 | somiaj | you cant use '-' in debian revision, though I don't know why they used ~ vs + for a security patch |
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| 04:12.45 | Lady_Aleena | And I don't want to install programs into $HOME. So, if I can't apt-get install it, I will pass. |
| 04:13.15 | somiaj | matainers get to decide what to do, but here there will never be a -1 package, so using ~ there doesn't really matter |
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| 04:13.33 | somiaj | Betal: I'm unsure why the firefox esr matainers chose that convention, but there is no policy against it |
| 04:13.53 | somiaj | Betal: in general the debian revision (just like any other version) only has meaning in relation to other versions of the same software |
| 04:14.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I personally have chromium, google-chrome, and google-chrome-unstable installed |
| 04:14.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Though I don't like google |
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| 04:14.26 | Lady_Aleena | My problems with Firefox est and Chromium are that they render SVG horribly. |
| 04:14.34 | Lady_Aleena | s/est/esr/; |
| 04:14.35 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: like google's branding, so I use chromium for most my day to day stuff, google-chrome gets used for a few things that chromium didn't work on |
| 04:15.10 | somiaj | I don't see google-chrome being much better at svg than chromium, they are the same base, and I doubt google's branding and nonfree additions do much around svg |
| 04:15.27 | somiaj | the rendering of svg might be some other issue. |
| 04:15.47 | somiaj | I've personally never noticed any issues with svg myself |
| 04:15.55 | Lady_Aleena | I thought I had a problem with my SVGs text not rendering properly, but it is just on my system. I asked for screenshots from other OSs and they rendered the SVG fine. |
| 04:16.29 | Betal | don't fonts affect svg render? |
| 04:16.43 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, it is only when they are reduced in size. The smaller an SVG gets, the more problematic my text in the SVG gets. |
| 04:17.42 | Lady_Aleena | The problem is in both browsers. |
| 04:17.56 | Lady_Aleena | And I do not know where to go with the issue. |
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| 04:18.11 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: well you coulud install google-chrome from a .deb from google, and test it out, firefox I suggest you install in $HOME if you wanted to test that |
| 04:21.56 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I saw you suggested that before. |
| 04:22.11 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: But I personally can't think of what could be differnt between google-chrome and chomrium to have a large affect on svg graphics. Makes me wonder if the issue is something else |
| 04:22.32 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, do you have chrome and chromium? |
| 04:26.54 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I'm not in linux right now, but on my work machine I have chromium, google-chrome, and google-chrome-unstable installed |
| 04:27.53 | Lady_Aleena | Let me show you the problem. This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/G8nZq1g.png This is what someone else saw: https://postimg.cc/gxvMD8Y0 The text is overflowing from the boxes on my system but not on another system (mac os 10.14.x safari 12). |
| 04:28.40 | Lady_Aleena | The final "p" of Earp is overflowing as well as other text. |
| 04:29.01 | Lady_Aleena | The link to that page is: https://fantasy.xecu.net/Fandom/Crossovers/Westerns_in_Crisis.pl |
| 04:29.41 | somiaj | bringin up my debian laptop, one second |
| 04:30.38 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, sorry to be so much trouble... |
| 04:31.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you are on debian stable? |
| 04:31.24 | somiaj | (buster - 10) |
| 04:31.27 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 04:32.10 | somiaj | I do not see what you see in both chromium or firefox-esr, so as suspected the problem you are having isn't the browser. |
| 04:32.45 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, can I see a screenshot? |
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| 04:33.41 | somiaj | umm, I don't really have a nice way to upload one, but I have shunk my images really small and they all clearly fit int he box |
| 04:34.00 | somiaj | can you upload to imgur without an account (never tried) |
| 04:34.12 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I just did. |
| 04:34.43 | somiaj | where do I go, I don't see an upload button, only a signin one |
| 04:34.50 | Lady_Aleena | I used Xfce4-screenshooter |
| 04:34.58 | somiaj | nevermind,found it |
| 04:35.12 | somiaj | does it matter if it is firefox or chromium? |
| 04:35.24 | Lady_Aleena | Probably not... |
| 04:37.23 | Betal | Lady_Aleena: what font it uses on text? |
| 04:37.23 | somiaj | actually I was incorrect, if I resize it, I can resize it to a size I get the overlap you see it jums around |
| 04:37.32 | Lady_Aleena | Betal, arial. |
| 04:38.16 | somiaj | but it might be a font issue, as Betal pointed out |
| 04:38.48 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, so it may be Debian's arial font? |
| 04:38.48 | Betal | Lady_Aleena: maybe you don't have arial |
| 04:38.56 | Lady_Aleena | Betal, I have arial. |
| 04:39.15 | Betal | Lady_Aleena: that is how I see the page after delete Arial (using console), on latest firefox version, https://i.imgur.com/Ohyp0fn.png |
| 04:39.19 | Lady_Aleena | I would not use a font if I didn't have it on my system. |
| 04:39.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it could be the fonts being used compared to how the box is sized |
| 04:40.00 | Lady_Aleena | ACL! Roboto made it worse! |
| 04:40.07 | somiaj | though on my ssytem I only get the overlap at certain sizes |
| 04:40.13 | Betal | well, I removed Arial from font-family and got the same behavior as your |
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| 04:41.03 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I have the same. But at the size on the page, the overlap occurs. So, I have a font issue not a browser issue. |
| 04:41.09 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you might want to look at some more modern ways to get font rendering, I think setting font-family isn't the prefered method anymore as it is always better to use a native font on the os than a family want to force. |
| 04:41.26 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, and if your default sans-serif is DejaVu Sans, it will get worse than that. |
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| 04:42.16 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I used default sans-serif, which is DejaVu on my system, and the text was WAY too wide. |
| 04:42.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: https://css-tricks.com/snippets/css/system-font-stack/ |
| 04:43.11 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you can also slow down rendering and force all oses to use the same font, but you don't do that with font families |
| 04:43.21 | Lady_Aleena | So, I chose the lesser of two evils and chose arial. |
| 04:44.17 | somiaj | but you can force the font of all systems to be download from say google, and use the same font on all systems, vs let each system pick their own font. Here it is a css/web design issue, there are lots of blogs and pages you can discussing the merits of various things |
| 04:44.37 | somiaj | what I linked you is becoming more standard, to use the system-font-stack, but if you want to ensure every system renders the same, you need to force the font better |
| 04:45.30 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_fonts.asp maybe something like this, this way you can use the same font on all oses vs using one installed on the system |
| 04:46.07 | somiaj | so I would either look into using the sytem-font-stack (though this is faster, fonts will render slightly different on different oses) or use a web font, in which all oses will use the exact same font, slower, but more control |
| 04:46.17 | somiaj | but this is now more a web deisgn issue vs debian |
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| 04:47.59 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, I am on the verge of tears now. Why the hell does this have to be so damned frustrating? |
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| 04:48.22 | rue_mohr | http://paste.debian.net/1142913/ |
| 04:48.34 | rue_mohr | ^^^ nfs4 server is mangling data, anyone know anything? |
| 04:48.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Its web design, it is way easier than it use to be. It use to be you had to deal with this for each browser on each os, but that is mostly times past |
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| 04:49.20 | somiaj | I recall when IE would render differently than firefox, different than chrome, different than safari, and each os would be different and you would have to have hacks/configs for each and every difference |
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| 04:49.47 | somiaj | now almost all browsers follow html5 and css3, with only small differences like font rendering |
| 04:49.55 | somiaj | anyways, I should have left to bed hours ago |
| 04:50.26 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, thanks...I will go elsewhere now that the problem is fully diagnosed. |
| 04:50.50 | miskatonic | I disable css |
| 04:51.22 | Lady_Aleena | miskatonic, then don't go to my site or look at my SVGs. They are css heavy. |
| 04:52.08 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I think you will be best served by using a web font so you can ensure all users have the same font for that svg |
| 04:52.23 | somiaj | or just live with the small rendering issues |
| 04:52.50 | somiaj | web fonts give you far more control, they just slow down rendering a bit |
| 04:53.02 | somiaj | (which is why they aren't used much for sites that don't need that much control) |
| 04:53.49 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, that is the choice I am now on the fence about making. I hope you sleep well. |
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| 05:04.36 | rue_mohr | anyone know anything about NFS4 severly corrupting files? |
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| 05:08.54 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1142914/ Okay, I just ran apt update and something weird showed up... Hit 5 should not have come up, that source is not in my sources list. I don't know where it came from. |
| 05:09.19 | kreyren | resending here bcs #debian-next takes too long atm -- <kreyren> is it sane to pin stable-backports on 500 assuming stable/stable-backports/testing/unstable/experimental being pinned as 500/500/120/110/100 |
| 05:09.19 | kreyren | <kreyren> I assume that i want to pin it so that it would prefer stable over stable-backports if stable has better version? |
| 05:09.19 | kreyren | <kreyren> or probably calling stable-backports on demand |
| 05:09.19 | kreyren | <kreyren> assuming scenario where i need shellcheck from stable-backports (0.7.0) when stable has version (0.5.0) that does not work for my workflow |
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| 05:09.59 | kreyren | i guess pin stable-backports on 130 more sane? |
| 05:10.16 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: is it in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 05:11.24 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, yes...I have 3 files in there that I guess didn't get cleaned up when I removed notepadqq. |
| 05:12.54 | Lady_Aleena | So, rm those three notepadqq files and be done with it? |
| 05:13.16 | Lady_Aleena | Hell, 2 are for jessie! |
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| 05:14.23 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to read the contents of all of those files in one command? |
| 05:15.56 | jmcnaught | !show sources.list |
| 05:15.56 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
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| 05:17.31 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I just pasted my sources.list and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are two empty files and one that has the notepadqq sources. |
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| 05:19.18 | jmcnaught | You can just delete the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that has the notepadqq repository in it. Then "apt update". |
| 05:22.15 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, I had a feeling... |
| 05:22.38 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, this was just a little bit of weirdness. |
| 05:23.11 | Lady_Aleena | Though I do not like that sudo rm does not ask for confirmation automatically. |
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| 05:26.53 | Lady_Aleena | head -v -n -0 is so cool! |
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| 05:28.15 | Bugz000 | Hey i have a silly question but it'd put my mind at ease, i want to install webmin on debian 10, but i already have a httpd installed, they all seem to expect apache to be installed? either way, basically does the web-server directory default in the config /var/www/ NEED to have apache (some extra integration maybe for taking system stats to the webpage) or can i just dump the files out in my existing httpd directory and it work just fine? (httpd |
| 05:28.15 | Bugz000 | i have installed is Lighttpd) |
| 05:31.07 | jmcnaught | Bugz000: #webmin might know. |
| 05:31.16 | Bugz000 | oh dayum that's a channel? |
| 05:31.33 | Bugz000 | rofl... -facedesk- it's been a long day |
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| 05:37.58 | Lady_Aleena | has been head desking a lot lately. |
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| 05:43.21 | jim | Lady_Aleena, hi, how you doing otherwise |
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| 05:44.40 | jim | is webmin any better than it was? I'm getting a couple good reports, and I was wondering if the problems got fixed |
| 05:45.15 | jim | Bugz000, by the way... there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help |
| 05:47.19 | Lady_Aleena | jim, okayish. |
| 05:47.26 | Lady_Aleena | jim, you? |
| 05:47.59 | jim | I'm doin ok, figuring out my next semester |
| 05:48.08 | ansimita | !chat |
| 05:48.08 | dpkg | This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic (either freenode or oftc) or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, ##chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/ |
| 05:49.06 | jim | ansimita, don't be mean, we wern't going to keep going |
| 05:50.54 | Bugz000 | Hello Jim <3 |
| 05:50.54 | jim | ansimita, and, as long as we're supportive, might you have a response to my question? |
| 05:51.11 | jim | Bugz000, (shh!) hi |
| 05:52.33 | Bugz000 | hahah! one second |
| 05:56.51 | jim | also when trying to install the package of webmin, I'm not finding it... one sec I'll check with apt-cache |
| 05:57.10 | miskatonic | webmin is deprecated |
| 05:57.29 | jim | is there something that replaces it? |
| 05:57.29 | Bugz000 | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-webmin-on-debian-10 i was looking at following this guide rofl |
| 05:58.32 | jim | oh I see... the results I'm getting, apt install webmin -> no such package, apt-cache search webmin -> no output |
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| 06:00.57 | Bugz000 | i would also be interested if there's a suitable replacement |
| 06:01.02 | Bugz000 | that is better supported |
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| 06:06.52 | jim | I guess webmin lets you control stuff... there's something else called ossec that's more like fail2ban, but it is less resource intensive than fail2ban is (and it's client/server too) |
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| 06:08.32 | jim | it reads your auth logs to see what IP originates failed login attempts, and bans their IP |
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| 06:17.51 | miskatonic | it bans people for a mistyped password? That is worse than the nazis |
| 06:19.57 | oiaohm | miskatonic: its in fact recommend security to ban someones IP for a while after so many incorrect password attempts to slow down attacker attempting to brute force. |
| 06:20.42 | oiaohm | Remember today you do have options of password managers. |
| 06:22.54 | jim | is there a debian package that lets you receive and read kindle books? |
| 06:25.23 | jim | found calibre, that might do it |
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| 09:30.17 | MarioMey | Hello, there. Half times I wake up Buster (my computer), I get blank screen. Some seconds later or if I try to press some keys, there's a beep. Nothing else. I can't do anything: not even go to TT1. But it does receive AltGr-PrintScreen-B and I reboot with this. |
| 09:30.18 | MarioMey | How should I know what's happening? What's the log I have to read and how to do it when it happens? Thanks in advance. |
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| 09:30.57 | Wulf | MarioMey: can you connect through ssh? |
| 09:38.32 | ratrace | MarioMey: do you have nvidia gpu there? |
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| 09:59.31 | MarioMey | Wulf: I don't know how to do it... this is my desktop computer. |
| 09:59.38 | MarioMey | ratrace: Yes, GT620. |
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| 10:06.59 | FilipeMaia | I have two servers connected by 10Gbit ethernet but I'm having troubles getting rsync to transfer at more than 120MB/s |
| 10:07.38 | FilipeMaia | I checked the link speed with netperf and the local hard drive speed, but still rsync seems stuck |
| 10:07.41 | FilipeMaia | What could be the problem? |
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| 10:32.02 | flayer | how are you connecting the servers? |
| 10:32.33 | flayer | 10gbit is the hardware layer, but what else you got going on there? |
| 10:34.02 | flayer | one might suggest moving from rsync/ssh to rsync/nfs for example |
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| 10:38.56 | moldy | hi |
| 10:39.01 | moldy | how do i clear the systemd journal? |
| 10:39.14 | flayer | you take the hard drive out of your computer and you burn it |
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| 10:41.53 | moldy | setting SystemMaxUse in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and then restarting journald seems to work |
| 10:42.02 | moldy | though it still seems to be using more than SystemMaxUse |
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| 11:06.14 | oxek | what is the proper process for requesting an update of an app in debian sid? |
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| 11:06.51 | abrotman | how out of date is it? and which app is it? |
| 11:07.04 | oxek | about a year out of date |
| 11:07.05 | oxek | one moment |
| 11:07.22 | oxek | https://packages.debian.org/sid/datovka |
| 11:08.16 | oxek | 3 years out of date |
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| 11:09.08 | abrotman | have you tried emailing the maintainer, or filing a bug? |
| 11:09.13 | oxek | 4.9.3 released 2017-09-06, latest 4.15.0 released 2020-03-05 |
| 11:09.46 | oxek | abrotman: I haven't yet because I want to know the proper way of doing this? Can I just email the maintainer then? |
| 11:10.12 | abrotman | you can, but if the newer versions resolve security issues, etc .. a bug might be better |
| 11:10.31 | oxek | the version in debian no longer works due to the internet service having changed |
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| 11:10.54 | abrotman | if you're willing .. you can also offer to help resolve it |
