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| 04:36.47 | jim | is there a package I need to install for firefox to be able to display local files? |
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| 04:52.21 | jim | before the last stable update, firefox could interpret 'firefox someFile' as 'firefox file:///$(pwd)/someFile' |
| 04:53.08 | jim | not only is it not making that interpretation, it's also not able to understand file:/// |
| 04:59.28 | diogenes_ | jim, does it display if you dra-and-drop? |
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| 05:07.15 | karlpinc | jim: Does it display if you type a file url into the address bar? |
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| 05:21.33 | melpy | >_< |
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| 05:29.19 | hiya | I want WireGuard VPN in the kernel itself hence upgrading the kernel |
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| 05:41.32 | SerajewelKS | hiya: wireguard is in buster-backports and runs in the kernel. you don't need to upgrade out of a stable kernel. |
| 05:41.59 | hiya | Yes |
| 05:42.05 | SerajewelKS | hiya: enable buster-backports and 'apt-get install wireguard' |
| 05:42.10 | SerajewelKS | this works on the standard buster kernel |
| 05:42.30 | Wulf | But uses DKMS which isn't a huge problem, but still a bit annoying imo. |
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| 05:42.57 | hiya | Oh? |
| 05:42.58 | SerajewelKS | that's a really weird objection but okay |
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| 05:43.38 | SerajewelKS | is apt/dpkg also annoying? |
| 05:44.44 | Wulf | SerajewelKS: at times |
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| 05:44.57 | Unit193 | Wulf: Backported kernel has it built in rather than needing dkms. |
| 05:45.21 | Wulf | Unit193: are you sure? |
| 05:45.58 | SerajewelKS | regardless, wireguard in buster-backports runs in the buster kernel just fine. you don't have to upgrade to a backported kernel just to get wireguard. |
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| 05:46.20 | Unit193 | Wulf: Hrm, backport kernel might be lagging behind testing. |
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| 05:47.47 | hiya | -t buster-backports <-- this is not longer needed? |
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| 05:48.09 | SerajewelKS | hiya: only when the package is in both buster and buster-backports, and you want the backports version |
| 05:48.28 | hiya | so I must do -t buster-backports ? |
| 05:48.36 | hiya | But buster doesn't have Wireguard? |
| 05:48.37 | SerajewelKS | to install wireguard? no. because it's not in buster. |
| 05:48.38 | hiya | or does it? |
| 05:48.42 | hiya | yes |
| 05:48.52 | Unit193 | Wulf: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1122608/accepted-linux-5517-1bpo101-source-into-buster-backports-buster-backports/ |
| 05:48.52 | SerajewelKS | just 'apt-get install wireguard' |
| 05:49.12 | hiya | wireguard-tools v1.0.20200319 |
| 05:49.19 | hiya | Don't you think it is outdated? |
| 05:49.41 | SerajewelKS | oh no, it's a month old. i bet it won't work at all. |
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| 05:50.11 | hiya | :] |
| 05:50.49 | hiya | But then Debian kernel must be old too |
| 05:50.58 | SerajewelKS | !stable |
| 05:50.58 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 05:51.00 | hiya | Even when I upgrade to latest available from Debian |
| 05:51.29 | SerajewelKS | hiya: the point of debian stable is that it doesn't change, so that your system doesn't suddenly stop working in ways you didn't expect. a new release is every 1-2 years. |
| 05:51.41 | SerajewelKS | hiya: if you want the latest everything then either use debian testing or use a rolling-release distro |
| 05:51.47 | hiya | If it were not for Wifi Card, I would be using linux-libre |
| 05:51.58 | hiya | Anyways thanks! |
| 05:52.02 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 05:52.19 | SerajewelKS | keep in mind buster was released last year |
| 05:52.32 | Wulf | Unit193: thanks! |
| 05:52.44 | SerajewelKS | only security fixes and critical bug fixes go into stable |
| 05:52.57 | SerajewelKS | !buster |
| 05:52.57 | dpkg | Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuster . Ask me about <install buster>, <release notes>, <stretch->buster>. <apt suite changed> |
| 05:53.04 | hiya | Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3165 (rev 79) <-- This is the traitor in my new laptop |
| 05:53.23 | SerajewelKS | and the freeze was probably 1-2 months before release so you're using stuff that was probably released around may 2019 on buster. this isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
| 05:53.27 | hiya | It won't run with full libre kernel |
| 05:54.14 | SerajewelKS | sometimes it's fun to point and laugh at the person who upgraded to yesterday's version of something and has nothing but problems with it :) |
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| 05:56.14 | SerajewelKS | hiya: if it makes you feel better, we are using wireguard from buster-backports on many production machines |
| 05:56.37 | SerajewelKS | to create a VPN across several different data centers |
| 05:56.43 | hiya | SerajewelKS: I will switch Wifi card and goto linux-libre latest |
| 05:56.47 | SerajewelKS | the only problems we've had are me fucking up the config periodically |
| 05:57.17 | SerajewelKS | sometimes it's amazing how hard it is to put the same IP in three different files |
| 05:58.20 | SerajewelKS | we used to use tinc. only thing i miss from tinc really is layer 2 VPNs and automatic meshing. |
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| 06:24.18 | oxek | How would I go about getting this fixed in debian as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1844771 |
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| 06:41.33 | SerajewelKS | oxek: start by reporting the bug if it hasn't already been |
| 06:41.41 | SerajewelKS | !bts |
| 06:41.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 06:59.12 | rotaticus | powertop said which lines to run to bring the system to energy savings, but rc.local seems to be the wrong solution, how to make it run those lines at startup? |
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| 07:21.23 | oxek | SerajewelKS: is there a simpler interface to searching bugs? |
| 07:21.39 | oxek | I can't wrap my head around on how to use the bugs.debian.org site |
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| 07:57.13 | PaulGit | Good morning all. Is there anyway I can check if a reboot is required after an apt upgrade that included a new kernel? I would like to implement this check in a script. |
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| 08:04.42 | ansimita | PaulGit: Just to clarify, basically if new_kernel then reboot? |
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| 08:05.07 | PaulGit | @ansimita Yes, that's it. |
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| 08:06.46 | Warren- | fibonacci, that's all that matters. and maybe a little code. |
| 08:07.38 | Warren- | and maybe pi. |
| 08:07.46 | Warren- | but mostly fibonacci. |
| 08:08.11 | ansimita | PaulGit: My research turned up https://stackoverflow.com/a/7042545 and https://serverfault.com/questions/667076/how-can-i-know-if-reboot-is-required-after-update |
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| 08:11.43 | Warren- | hey |
| 08:13.14 | PaulGit | ansimita Thanks I'll check them out, I had looked for /var/run/reboot-required but it was not there. |
| 08:14.42 | ansimita | I'm guessing that it's a file that gets created when necessary |
| 08:16.04 | Warren- | it is necessary. |
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| 08:17.44 | ksk | PaulGit: there should be something in debian-goodies: checkrestart |
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| 08:18.10 | ksk | ,info debian-goodies |
| 08:18.11 | judd | Package debian-goodies (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Small toolbox-style utilities for Debian systems. Version: 0.84; Size: 81.5k; Installed: 217k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/debian-goodies |
| 08:18.34 | hl521 | Hey, I recently updated Debian and upon a reboot I'm stuck at a grub command line, and not too sure how to progress from here to get back into my server |
| 08:18.37 | ksk | it will tell you if apps use outdated libraries, or you need to reboot because of kernel. |
| 08:19.13 | PaulGit | judd: Ah, that looks like it. Thank you. |
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| 08:27.24 | hl521 | I wish I knew grub better lol |
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| 08:30.44 | ratrace | hl521: server? is there a rescue mode you can boot into? |
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| 08:36.56 | hl521 | ratrace: it only boots into grub, and that's it, it can't seem to find the kernel or root partition |
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| 08:38.33 | ratrace | hl521: well then you have a bad setup there if you can't boot into a rescue environment. not much you can do from that grub prompt if it is broken... |
| 08:39.16 | ratrace | you could try forcing different root, like this: https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-rescue-non-booting-grub-2-linux/ but that's all. |
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| 08:40.37 | hl521 | ratrace: I just did the default headless debian install... |
| 08:41.15 | ksk | hl521: the install finished without any errors? |
| 08:41.31 | ksk | Do you have your BIOS pointed to the wrong harddisk maybe? |
| 08:41.52 | ratrace | wrong disk but still containing grub? :) |
| 08:42.09 | hl521 | ksk: yeah, this system has been running fine for years, I even switched computers on it since hardware died on the haswell it was on, so moved it to a K10 system |
| 08:42.33 | hl521 | only broke after an update and trying to install mediawiki after I cancelled it when I realized it wiped apache2 off |
| 08:42.53 | ratrace | hl521: simply put you'll have to bring KVM to that machine, or boot into a ssh-enabled rescue env, like sysrescuecd |
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| 08:43.03 | hl521 | then I tried to do apt --fix-broken install, which couldn't fix anything so I just assumed a reboot would fix |
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| 08:43.17 | hl521 | ah, and do a chroot or something? |
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| 08:43.21 | ratrace | yes |
| 08:43.45 | hl521 | lol I wonder if this server even supports USB booting |
| 08:43.52 | hl521 | I may have to create a CD with my thinkpad |
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| 08:44.19 | ksk | If its not like 20 years old, it should ;) |
| 08:45.21 | ratrace | hl521: and take this as a less to prepare and have a bootable rescue env available at all times, ssh enabled if that's headless. I've installed and setup a regular (ultra minimal) debian onto an USB stick for that. |
| 08:45.27 | ratrace | *lesson |
| 08:46.02 | hl521 | I mean I have a Gentoo rescue CD ready to go |
| 08:46.06 | hl521 | er |
| 08:46.08 | hl521 | USB |
| 08:46.16 | hl521 | so I'm just going to use that lol |
| 08:46.18 | ratrace | but is it ssh enabled |
| 08:46.29 | hl521 | yeah, it's the LiveDVD image |
| 08:46.58 | hl521 | weird thing about the debian server too is it doesn't like dhcp despite trying different methods of trying to get it up lol |
| 08:46.59 | ratrace | eek, that's old :) should work I suppose |
| 08:47.15 | hl521 | it's a lot newer than the hardware the server is on lol |
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| 08:47.44 | ratrace | yeah but I mean if you're running buster there, the gentoo livedvd might not have compatible software |
| 08:47.58 | hl521 | oh okay that's fair |
| 08:48.16 | hl521 | yeah I need to make my own generic Gentoo image on the usb at some point so I can use it for travel without having to carry around a laptop |
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| 08:49.01 | ratrace | hl521: what's the rootfs setup though? just a plain (ext4)fs atop gpt/mbr partitions? something more complex? |
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| 08:50.55 | Janni | Hello there. I'm wondering what's the best way to make small permissions to a large set of files. (examples incoming) |
| 08:51.46 | Wulf | Janni: find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
| 08:52.05 | Wulf | Janni: or chmod -R. Depends. |
| 08:52.07 | hl521 | it should just be ext4, the debian server is super basic ratrace |
| 08:52.35 | hl521 | especially since I'm using temporary hardware until I can afford higher specced hardware |
| 08:52.36 | Janni | Say I want to remove permissions for all to read/write all the files within a directory but leave the permissions for the owner and the group as they are. How can I do that? |
| 08:53.24 | Janni | Optimally there's a "leave as it is" flag for chmod, something like `chmod -R --0`, but I don't think it exists. |
| 08:53.38 | ksk | Janni: find is your friend. |
| 08:54.07 | ksk | basicly what Wul-f said, maybe tweak it a little to fit your needs. |
| 08:54.25 | ratrace | Janni: you can do something like chmod o-rw /that/directory/* if it's flat, or use find like Wulf exampled, if oyu have nested files under it |
| 08:54.25 | Janni | ksk: Wouldn't I have to treat the sets of files with differing permissions for owner and group separately? |
| 08:55.11 | ksk | you can just modify group/other bits by doing someting like "chmod g-rwx" for example. |
| 08:55.16 | ratrace | Janni: o-rwx would be better, inludes directory entries, and you can descend into them with -R so find isn't even needed |
| 08:55.30 | ksk | or, by just setting it octal, "700" or "600" for dirs/files. |
| 08:55.38 | ratrace | ksk: eh they want user and group intact |
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| 08:56.28 | ksk | indeed! what ratrace says then rather :) |
| 08:57.04 | Janni | My problem is, that I'd like to do a-rw, but a-rw also changes o and g. |
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| 08:57.13 | ratrace | Janni: so use o not a |
| 08:57.23 | Janni | Oh. |
| 08:57.31 | ratrace | u(ser) g(roup) o(thers) |
| 08:57.42 | Janni | Right. |
| 08:57.48 | ratrace | a = ugo |
| 08:57.57 | Janni | Stupid me. I had thought that u=o=owner. |
| 08:58.28 | Janni | Thanks. |
| 08:58.33 | Janni | is castigating himself |
| 08:58.50 | ratrace | Janni: do that with a big, metal-bound manpage hanging on a rusty chain . :) |
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| 09:02.29 | Janni | If only I had a rusty chain around the house... |
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| 09:04.27 | ratrace | the spiky, metal bound, morning-star-like manpage is the key :) |
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| 09:14.47 | Lope | is there a package that I can install that will automagically add memtest to my grub? |
| 09:16.59 | ksk | Lope: did you just try installing memtest86? I vaquely remember having memtest in grub some time ago (another debian release, maybe?) |
| 09:17.30 | Lope | ksk, will try :) |
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| 09:19.40 | Lope | ksk, cool, it got added to grub :) |
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| 09:56.53 | lesless | should I throw this disk away "_update_request: critical target error, dev sdb, sector 250069504 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0" |
| 09:57.22 | b1ack0p | sup |
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| 09:58.30 | lesless | checking disk that I didn't use for quite a time |
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| 10:00.17 | Vanfanel | Hi there |
| 10:00.42 | miskatonic | what is the advantage of pyramid over flask? |
| 10:00.53 | miskatonic | ooooops wrong channel |
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| 10:03.22 | Vanfanel | After updating from stable to testing, I can not build SDL2 programs. I have manually rebuilt and reinstalled libSDL2, and programs build but do not link (undefine symbol for every SDL2 function). I have verified the SDL2 libs are in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 (being /usr/lib64 a symlink to /usr/lib), and I am passing -lSDL2 and -L/usr/lib to the compiler. |
| 10:03.38 | Vanfanel | Any ideas, please? This is a mistery |
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| 10:22.08 | _DeLa_ | Am I mistaken, or will creating a Debian 10 install medium on an USB stick automatically render the USB stick "not writable" for any further files? |
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| 10:40.57 | Vanfanel | It seems that something has changed on the linker from Stable to Testing. In Stable I can do: "gcc -L/usr/lib -lSDL2 -I/usr/include/SDL2 example.c", and it will build fine. However, in Stable I have to do "gcc example.c -L/usr/lib -lSDL2 -I/usr/include/SDL2", or it will fail. So, any idea on what has changed? More strict linker parameter order? Where can I find more about it? |
| 10:41.23 | Vanfanel | I mean: I know how it works now, but... what changed exactly? |
| 10:43.03 | GigaFlow | it's selfisolation. Why people are not at channels? |
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| 11:02.29 | ratrace | !debian-next |
| 11:02.29 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:02.30 | ZAJDAN | hi....on Debian10 I have added network printer which has also scanner...is possible scan over network also? |
| 11:02.41 | ZAJDAN | printing is working |
| 11:02.53 | ratrace | Vanfanel: you'd have better change asking about Testing specifics on OFTC (see dpkg's output above) |
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| 11:05.01 | ksk | _DeLa_: yeah, that sounds familiar. |
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| 11:06.45 | _DeLa_ | ksk: Thanks for your feedback! Any way to render the USB stick "writable"? I woud prefer to use free space on external mediums (backup and so on) instead of just "wasting" it ... |
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| 11:07.41 | oxek | how can I view SMB drives in Thunar? When I put smb://10.0.0.1/sharename in the location bar, it correctly opens it and I can see the files but I cannot open any files. |
| 11:07.43 | oxek | I am on debian 10, and I have cifs-utils installed |
| 11:07.51 | oxek | I prefer to do it through thunar because mounting the drive using `mount -t cifs //10.0.0.1/sharename /mnt/sharename` requires root privileges |
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| 11:13.44 | dka | I am trying to pull some backup made on my server using rsync, I have : I also have rsync: chgrp "/media/dka/T5 2TO/2020-04-29/git/private/.1588156760_2020_04_29_12.8.2_gitlab_backup.tar.IdiAZJ" failed: Operation not permitted (1) |
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| 11:13.52 | dka | what does that mean, is my backup saved? I don't know that file |
| 11:13.57 | dka | it is supposed to be .tar |
| 11:15.15 | Vanfanel | @retrace: thanks a lot! |
| 11:15.27 | Vanfanel | I will ask there |
| 11:15.31 | Vanfanel | I must know.. :) |
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| 11:55.30 | ksk | _DeLa_: I know some "lets create a bootable usb stick"-tools have an option for that, but no Idea how that is done on a lower level so to say.. |
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| 12:25.33 | Rico | hello |
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| 12:34.16 | Rico | I'm trying to use a preseed file for auto-install a debian buster. it seems that the preseed file is not taken into account by debian installer (netinst iso) |
| 12:34.57 | Rico | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.00 | Rico | is that correct ? |
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| 12:35.36 | dka | I am trying to download a 6.5Go tar.gz backup from my dedicated server with rsync, it gaves me the error: File too large (27), my FS is Fat32, I was expecting to be able to write 32GB files |
| 12:36.02 | Rico | isn't fat32 limited to 4G file , |
| 12:36.03 | Rico | ? |
| 12:36.10 | Rico | GB |
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| 12:36.24 | Rico | =32Gb |
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| 12:41.03 | winterflaw | Hi. I have a dev board (Odroid N2) with a Debian minimal image and I'm trying to configure a single, static IP address. I've been trying for a day and a half so far and I'm at the point where I'm out of ideas. Advice and guidance desperately/gratefully received! |
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| 12:42.19 | winterflaw | My approach has been to edit /etc/network/interfaces to look like this (actual newlines instead of \n, obviously); auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet static\n address 10.0.0.1 |
| 12:43.06 | winterflaw | And to apt-get purge the DHCP client packages and then reboot. If I then attach the dev board by ethernet to my laptop, also Debian and which has 10.0.0.0 as a static on ethernet, I can't ping. |
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| 12:43.46 | discovered | I have a new wifi adapter ZyXEL 6605. But it is not detecting wifi interface |
| 12:44.24 | discovered | lsusb detecting the device |
| 12:45.02 | winterflaw | The one thing which is a possible clue is that when I ssh to the dev board (when it's using DHCP and is plugged into the router), there's no /dev/eth* and also no /dev/en*. I understand the new naming schema means eth0 can be gone, but then I'd expect an "en", and it's not there. Also if I use 'ip link show' I get this "eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000", |
| 12:45.02 | winterflaw | which as you see has eth0. |
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| 12:47.00 | neoclust | hi |
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| 12:48.08 | neoclust | i try to build python-syncthing ( doing a deb ) and i have a problem because when it installs it bytecompil and there is a |
| 12:48.10 | neoclust | PY2 = sys.version_info[0] < 3 |
| 12:48.13 | neoclust | if PY2: |
| 12:48.15 | neoclust | else: |
| 12:48.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 12:48.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the proper way to dd a iso on a usb? |
| 12:48.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there some sync command at end? |
| 12:48.46 | neoclust | it tries to compile the else: which is for python3 and it fails |
| 12:48.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | dd if=ovirt-node-ng-installer-ovirt-3.6-2016052403.iso of=/dev/sdb status="progress" bs=512 |
| 12:48.56 | dvs | Eryn_1983_FL, you don't need sync for dd |
| 12:49.07 | neoclust | is there a way to disable bytecompiling for this specific deb ? |
| 12:49.14 | neoclust | Eryn_1983_FL: nothing to do |
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| 12:50.54 | ksk | Eryn_1983_FL: feel free to just use cat (or if you know fitting bs-values, keep it to dd..) |
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| 12:51.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the proper bs value |
| 12:51.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ill try cat.. |
| 12:52.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.40 | dvs | Eryn_1983_FL, if you use cat, you must use sync |
| 12:52.54 | discovered | anyone can help me to get it worked? |
| 12:54.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 12:56.50 | Na_Klar | I want to create a file which is filled up from /dev/hwrng. I simply cat /dev/hwrng > file.data ... how could I be in control over the filesize? Is this possible just in shell or would I need a script? |
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| 12:57.10 | Na_Klar | ah wait, I could just let it write an then truncate in the end ... |
| 12:57.23 | dvs | Na_Klar, dd? |
| 12:57.55 | Na_Klar | yeah, or that |
| 13:02.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | it wont work |
| 13:02.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | it wont over write it |
| 13:02.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | im about to throw it through a window |
| 13:02.31 | dvs | sudo? |
| 13:03.03 | ksk | What is the error message you get? |
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| 13:05.56 | _DeLa_ | ksk: Which "lets create a bootable usb stick"-tools are you refering to? My Balena Etcher does not, AFAIK |
| 13:07.29 | ksk | _DeLa_: you can do it manually, sort of. See: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:07.36 | ksk | "4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image" |
| 13:07.59 | ksk | "Create a second, FAT partition on the stick" |
| 13:08.08 | ksk | not actually what you asked for, but close enough!? |
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| 13:08.37 | ksk | " 4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way" might also be worth a look ;) |
| 13:09.02 | _DeLa_ | ksk: I will look into this. Thanks! |
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| 13:10.33 | annadane | hey, just so people know, someone came up with a cool thing for configuring packages during preseeding: https://jack.einval.com/debian-preseed/ |
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| 13:21.31 | ws2k3 | how can i delete a file that has a ( in the name? |
| 13:22.09 | wsky | escape it with a backslash |
| 13:22.30 | dvs | ws2k3, put a backslash "\" before the "(" |
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| 13:23.16 | cyveris | You could also type it as a literal - rm 'test(file)' |
| 13:25.00 | ws2k3 | and how to escape a space? |
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| 13:25.52 | wsky | same way |
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| 13:27.12 | ws2k3 | wsky i cant delete it. i wanne delete file file(1).csv |
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| 13:27.47 | cyveris | rm 'file(1).csv' or rm file\(1\).csv |
| 13:28.19 | ws2k3 | and how about file (1).csv |
| 13:29.08 | cyveris | rm 'file (1).csv' or rm file\ \(1\).csv |
| 13:29.22 | cyveris | Hence the 'escape the character' statement. |
| 13:29.41 | ws2k3 | cyveris i cant use tab to autocomplete on that? |
| 13:29.42 | cyveris | Prefixing a character with a backslash tells the shell to interpret the character literally - as just a character - rather than something with a special meaning. |
| 13:29.50 | cyveris | ws2k3: You should be able to, yes. |
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| 14:43.13 | n_1-c_k | In <https://paste.debian.net/1143736/> why doesn't line 6 have the effect of allowing all inbound traffic? |
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| 15:22.14 | winterflaw | Hola. I appear to have no ethernet devices in /dev - no ethN, and no new name-style en or ep or anything like them. Tools like iconfig all report "eth0". |
| 15:22.27 | winterflaw | Is it normal now that ethernet is missing from /dev? |
| 15:22.45 | winterflaw | and in general how should you find out the device name for an ethernet device? |
| 15:23.52 | n_1-c_k | winterflaw, try 'ip link' |
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| 15:27.46 | winterflaw | yups, done that, also says eth0 |
| 15:27.47 | ShotokanZH | hi evryone |
| 15:28.10 | ShotokanZH | is it possible to force mount not to follow symbolic links? |
| 15:28.15 | winterflaw | I mean I can understand the devicing being eth0 *or* being ens*, but I can't understand it *not* being there |
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| 15:28.32 | winterflaw | devicing = device (sigh) |
| 15:28.46 | ShotokanZH | let me explain with an example: 'touch A; ln -s A B; mount --bind /dev/null B' what i expect is B to appear as /dev/null, instead A is modified. |
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| 15:28.51 | somiaj | winterflaw: internet devices don't appear in /dev, check 'ip a' do you see all your interfaces there? |
| 15:28.54 | winterflaw | actually given I'm on buster I'm surprised to be seeing eth0 anyway |
| 15:29.19 | winterflaw | som -> I do indeed see them all |
| 15:29.26 | winterflaw | when did eth0 et al stop turning up in dev? |
| 15:29.32 | somiaj | winterflaw: there are ways to return to the old naming system. |
| 15:29.33 | ShotokanZH | I am also trying with syscalls but it seems even those are following symbolic links |
| 15:29.40 | usney | when installing debian and you login to your new system am I suppose to have these folders in my home folder? "tmp and bin"? there is nothing in them just curious why they would be there. |
| 15:29.41 | somiaj | winterflaw: I don't ever recall network interfaces being in /dev |
| 15:29.51 | winterflaw | yes, but I don't want to use them - I just want to understand what I have now |
| 15:30.08 | winterflaw | okay, well, that's that mystery cleared up |
| 15:30.13 | winterflaw | thankyou very much somiaj |
| 15:30.18 | somiaj | usney: That does seem odd to me, I don't think they should be there by default (Though I have them in my $HOME and use them) |
| 15:30.51 | somiaj | usney: do you see them in /etc/skel/? |
| 15:30.52 | usney | I did setup the seperated partitions though maybe that has something to do with it? |
| 15:31.40 | usney | no just the templates folder is there. |
| 15:31.45 | somiaj | usney: I personally wouldn't worry about it if there is nothing in them, it does seem odd to me though, as though they are used, I dno't think they are there by default. |
| 15:32.02 | usney | okay |
| 15:32.04 | usney | thank you |
| 15:32.20 | usney | I did a fresh install a couple of days ago. |
| 15:32.24 | somiaj | I know the default .bashrc you see in /etc/skel/ will add $HOME/bin to your $PATH if it exists, but I don't think it usually creates them by default. |
| 15:33.02 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: I don't quite follow you, what don't you want to follow symbolic links? You have a mount and you don't want that mount to allow links? |
| 15:33.30 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, I want to mount ON TOP of a symbolic link |
| 15:33.32 | usney | I thought that is just environment variables for menu generator and being able to access apps via the command line properly |
| 15:33.46 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: I think your ln comand is backwards. |
| 15:34.18 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, the command is ok, i'm testing with that :) it creates a B symbolic link pointing to A |
| 15:35.37 | wsky | i got this weird issue, i use an usb headset and i get cracking sounds in it on debian 10 |
| 15:35.54 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: I don't know the details well enough, but my guess is works as expected, why are you trying to mount on a link? Mounts need a directory, so most likely mount instead of failing just mounts at the directory the link points to. |
| 15:35.54 | wsky | spontanious cracks at random times |
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| 15:36.27 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, untrue, mount can mount on top of files too, it does not need directories. |
| 15:36.32 | somiaj | wsky: could the wire be faluty, sometimes a poorly grounded wire or hardware issue could do that. |
| 15:36.47 | wsky | the wire isn't faulty, this does not happen on windows |
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| 15:37.06 | wsky | if i move wire around it does not happen |
| 15:37.09 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: hmm, anyways maybe someone who knows the details here can explain what is happening, but my guess is it is working as designed, and you are just expecting it to do something else. |
| 15:37.36 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, in this specific case the link is pointing to a socket file and in determinated conditions I need to mount another file on top of it, without replacing the original socket file |
| 15:37.56 | ShotokanZH | in this case A is owerwritten and B is not, while i need the exact opposite |
| 15:38.50 | ShotokanZH | sadly mounting the parent directory using a unionfs (or similar fs) is not possible due to other conditions |
| 15:39.25 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49014/using-a-symlink-for-a-mountpoint -- wish the answer was better but they say "A symbolic link cannot be a mount point" |
| 15:39.50 | somiaj | could you write a wrapper script that checks for a link first, then removes it before mounting? |
| 15:40.48 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, I cannot, in case of power loss I need that the link is present to avoid bad things |
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| 15:41.30 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 15:41.41 | neilthereildeil | "uname -a" returns: |
| 15:41.42 | neilthereildeil | Linux neil-linux 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.4.19-1~bpo10+1 (2020-03-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:41.49 | somiaj | ShotokanZH: maybe someone with more knowledge than I can add to this, I can't seem to find a description why a symbolic link cannot be a mount point. |
| 15:41.55 | neilthereildeil | what is the "5.4.19-1~bpo10+1" here? |
| 15:42.02 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: the kernel version |
| 15:42.11 | ShotokanZH | somiaj, thank you man |
| 15:42.20 | neilthereildeil | then what is "5.4.0-0.bpo.4-amd64"? |
| 15:42.35 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: kernel name (which is the debian package that it comes from) |
| 15:42.59 | neilthereildeil | this wasnt a debian package. i got this but git cloning kernelorg |
| 15:43.03 | neilthereildeil | by* |
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| 15:43.17 | somiaj | neilthereildeil: that really looks like a debian backported kernel |
| 15:43.20 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 15:43.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.6.0-trunk-686-pae (5.6.4-1~exp1); sid: 5.5.0-2-686-pae (5.5.17-1); bullseye: 5.5.0-2-686-pae (5.5.17-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (5.4.19-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.8-686 (4.19.98-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: |
| 15:43.22 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1~deb8u1) |
| 15:43.55 | somiaj | that kernel version seems to match the version in buster-backports exactly, and I dont' think building your own kernel would do that. |
| 15:43.57 | neilthereildeil | ohh |
| 15:44.11 | neilthereildeil | how would i know if this is a custom kernel? |
| 15:44.21 | neilthereildeil | i built my kernel but dont remember if i installed it |
| 15:44.29 | somiaj | how did you build your custom kernel? |
| 15:44.33 | neilthereildeil | git clone |
| 15:44.38 | neilthereildeil | make menuconfig |
| 15:44.45 | somiaj | I suggest you build with 'make deb-pkg' this should create a .deb you can install |
| 15:44.53 | neilthereildeil | make debball i think |
| 15:44.55 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 15:44.57 | zodd | when using mkchromecast it cannot detect cast devices even without a firewall enabled. But as I noticed it also uses /usr/bin/python instead of enforcing python3 I wonder if this software is not deprecated and has a better alternative? |
| 15:45.00 | neilthereildeil | i used the deb |
| 15:45.02 | somiaj | did you install the package, and then boot from it? |
| 15:45.12 | neilthereildeil | thats what i would have done |
| 15:45.26 | somiaj | it appears you are on the debian backports kernel, so you aren't booting into your custom kernel |
| 15:45.48 | neilthereildeil | ok, and you can tell that because of the "bpo"? |
| 15:46.19 | somiaj | partly, the full version matches the one in buster-backports exactly. A custom kernel should not have this version unless you did something to force it to |
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| 15:47.17 | neilthereildeil | ok, this means im getting a newer version than buster, because i am using backports, right? |
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| 15:47.58 | somiaj | correct, the backports kernel is the newest on debian provides, the stable kernel is 4.19.x |
| 15:48.09 | neilthereildeil | ok thanks |
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| 15:48.22 | somiaj | (note backport kernels don't get security support beyond that a new version will sowly become available |
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| 15:50.09 | neilthereildeil | ok thanks |
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| 15:56.35 | usney | I recently installed my new system and it crashed last night. Where should I look to see what it was that caused the problem? |
| 15:57.33 | ksk | usney: As far as I know journal is not persistent by default - so you dont have any logs (whoever though that this was a good idea..) |
| 15:57.37 | ksk | thought* |
| 15:57.38 | usney | I wasn't used it the computer crashed when I was sleeping and I didn't have any software apps open that are not run in the background or at startup so all user started apps were closed. |
| 15:57.58 | ratrace | ksk: uhm by default it's forwarded to syslog |
| 15:57.59 | usney | I have an ssd ksk |
| 15:58.12 | somiaj | some logs are still created in /var/log, such as messages and kern.log, but only a few this are logged there by default. |
| 15:58.43 | usney | do are need to turn on journal logging even if I am using an ssd? |
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| 15:58.51 | usney | do I need* |
| 15:58.54 | ksk | usney: then you should have rsyslogd installed and a file /var/log/syslog containing everything you need. |
| 15:58.59 | ratrace | somiaj: eh? by default everything is forwarded to syslog |
| 15:59.16 | ksk | ratrace: afaik there is not even syslog installed anymore. gonna check that.. |
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| 15:59.24 | ratrace | there is in buster |
| 15:59.30 | ratrace | you're thinking of !debian-next |
| 15:59.56 | ratrace | and syslog by default logs *.* to /var/log/syslog, among other filters, so pretty much everything is syslogged |
| 16:00.25 | somiaj | ratrace: I don't see kernel messages in syslog on my system |
| 16:00.45 | usney | cool hopefully it isn't larger than my var partition but probably not since it is a fresh install |
| 16:00.46 | ratrace | by default kern.* goes to /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:02.02 | somiaj | ratrace: thanks for the clarifiction, I guess I was under the impression that only some of the logs by default were redirected to /var/log/...., and not everything. |
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| 16:02.49 | ratrace | somiaj: and btw, by defautl you _should_ see stuff from dmesg in /var/log/syslog due to default *.* |
| 16:03.03 | ratrace | if you don't see them, then they've rotated out since you've booted |
| 16:03.09 | somiaj | yea, I just haven't rebooted in a while so it has been rotated out, I findally found it |
| 16:04.04 | ratrace | usney: ideally you'll want to enable persistent systemd journal so you could do neat tricks like "show me last 100 entries before crash" via journalctl -b -1 -n 100 |
| 16:04.52 | somiaj | I did reboot yesterday due to the kernel security update, so luckly I didn't have to go to far to find where it was rotated out |
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| 16:06.06 | annadane | !persistent journal |
| 16:06.06 | dpkg | In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+. |
| 16:07.41 | ratrace | I prefer being explicit about it in /etc/systemd/journald.conf , instead of implicit by coaxing tmpfiles to pre-create the dir on boot. feels dirty, that way. |
| 16:08.39 | somiaj | thought it is good to know that everything is being redirected to syslog though, for somereason I thought only some of the logs were being redirected, but it wasn't as complete as journald. So outside of logrotate getting rid of old logs after a set time, everything is there it seems. |
| 16:09.01 | greycat | ratrace: I'm just following the documentation... |
| 16:09.07 | ratrace | can't forward only some btw, journald has no filtering capabilities |
| 16:09.40 | ratrace | (filtering in forwarding, it does have filtering when querying the db with journalctl, of course) |
| 16:09.45 | somiaj | ratrace: yea, last time I checked I hadn't rebooted for about a month, so most things were not there, and I miss assoicated why. |
| 16:10.13 | somiaj | they had been rotated out vs not being there in the first place |
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| 16:11.04 | ratrace | my preference is keeping journald as a short 100MB in-memory ("volatile") buffer before syslog, then alter the (inane default) rsyslog config to separate out stuff neatly into errors.log, kern.log, cron.log and messages with everything else; mail.log on servers with mail, etc... |
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| 16:15.16 | usney | okay going to run that command now ratrace |
| 16:15.26 | usney | just had to see what those options did first |
| 16:16.02 | ratrace | usney: won't have any effect unless you've had persistend journald before the crash, which is not default on buster |
| 16:16.22 | usney | how do I turn it on by default? |
| 16:16.32 | usney | I mean how to I enable it? |
| 16:16.49 | ratrace | annadane told you via factoid, scroll up |
| 16:16.58 | usney | okay thank you |
| 16:18.10 | usney | I don't see anybody with that username in my scrolllog |
| 16:18.24 | ratrace | !persistent journal |
| 16:18.24 | dpkg | In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable the persistent journal, see systemd-journald.service(8) or «mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal». Persistent will be the default in Debian 11+. |
| 16:18.26 | usney | but I'll web search for it |
| 16:19.19 | usney | cool |
| 16:19.35 | usney | looks like I just got to do this? mkdir -p /var/log/journal; systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal |
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| 16:19.54 | usney | so there is no systemctl enable or anything I have to do too? |
| 16:20.01 | annadane | no |
| 16:20.13 | usney | cool thank you so much |
| 16:20.23 | ratrace | usney: that's the convoluted way. a simpler way is to ... simply... enable Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 16:20.33 | annadane | i'll edit the factoid |
| 16:21.11 | annadane | should i just nuke dpkg's preexisting suggestion and replace it entirely? |
| 16:21.19 | ratrace | dunno why the factoid goes on with the convoluted way but I misread it, thought it said to look up journald.conf ..... instead of systemd-journald.service |
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| 16:21.30 | oxek | I have an insurmountable problem for me in debian with connecting to samba shares. I am using debian 10 xfce. I have cifs-utils, smbclient, gigolo installed. Using thunar, I can open a remote windows share by going to smb://10.0.0.1/sharename. I can see the files, I can delete and create files, I can move files around, I can copy files from remote to local, I can copy from local to remote. |
| 16:21.41 | oxek | However, I cannot read any of the files on the remote share |
| 16:21.48 | usney | hi oxek |
| 16:21.48 | oxek | no text files, no images, no videos |
| 16:21.53 | ratrace | annadane: I'd just have the factoid instruct people to look up Storage= param in journald.conf(5) manpage |
| 16:22.09 | oxek | when I copy the files from remote to local, I can read them just fine |
| 16:22.24 | usney | maybe it is a permissions issue? oxek |
| 16:22.24 | oxek | I tried adding the share as a bookmark to gigolo, but that changed nothing |
| 16:22.50 | oxek | btw everything works just fine from debian stable right now installed in a virtual machine |
| 16:22.52 | usney | is the remote windows share on windows or another linux machine? |
| 16:23.03 | oxek | usney: not a permission issue given that it works in debian testing |
| 16:23.16 | oxek | it is a remote windows share on a windows 10 machine |
| 16:23.22 | usney | okay |
| 16:23.44 | usney | so you can't open the files like play videos and such? |
| 16:23.46 | oxek | interesting thing is that when I double click on the bookmark in gigolo, nothing happens in debian stable, whereas the share opens in debian testing |
| 16:24.03 | oxek | usney: indeed, I cannot open the files. When I open a text file, it instead opens an empty file. |
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| 16:24.21 | usney | hmmm that's strange |
| 16:25.04 | oxek | ineed |
| 16:25.06 | oxek | indeed |
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| 16:25.55 | oxek | I can see in debian testing that the following location is created /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:... |
| 16:26.07 | oxek | whereas on debian stable /run/user/1000/gvfs/ remains empty |
| 16:26.34 | somiaj | ratrace: journald.conf manpage doens't incldue the systemd-tmpfiles --create --prefix /var/log/journal step to ensure correct permissions |
| 16:27.41 | ratrace | because it's not needed. the correct way is to set Storage=persistent, done. the _default_ systemd is Storage=auto which checks if /var/log/journal exists, and if it does, treats it as the storage unit, and since it's on disk, it's implicitly then persistent |
| 16:27.47 | oxek | and when I try to open a textfile in debian testing on the remote share, it shows the file location as /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=... whereas on debian stable it just opens Untitled 1 |
| 16:28.04 | somiaj | though I guess it will create it if you change the configuration of Storage= correctly, so it is a matter of how you want to enable this, though in debian 11 this should no longer be an issue |
| 16:28.16 | oxek | I have been fighting with this for the 2nd day, so any help is appreciated |
| 16:28.17 | ratrace | somiaj: that is in support of immutable rootfs or /etc, but mutable /var. which is convoluted and should not be the default way to set storage persistence. |
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| 16:31.19 | oxek | gvfs-backends is installed as well |
| 16:31.30 | oxek | and I tried both Thunar File Manager and PCManFM |
| 16:32.23 | usney | spacefm is pretty nice too it is another light weight gtk based file manager. |
| 16:32.27 | jhutchins | Perhaps managing filesystems and mounts should be done at the root console level, not through a crappy ineficient GUI. |
| 16:32.46 | ratrace | wise advice. |
| 16:33.16 | oxek | I can add the share manually using `sudo mount -t cifs //10.0.0.1/sharename /mnt/sharename` and it works if I then navigate to /mnt/sharename |
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| 16:33.33 | oxek | but that is horrible workflow for me, it requires root privileges, switching to terminal and back, etc. |
| 16:33.44 | oxek | and should not be needed given that it works in debian testing just fine |
| 16:33.48 | ratrace | so much horror! how often are you mounting them |
| 16:34.06 | oxek | this is a laptop that moves, and the share locations and names change all the time |
| 16:34.07 | ratrace | also: autofs, or fstab with "nofail" so you can simply sudo mount /mnt/sharename |
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| 16:34.22 | oxek | yes, using fstab would work, if the shares were always at the same location with same name |
| 16:35.06 | oxek | the other thing is that eventually this laptop is given to someone else who will not have root privileges on the machine, so sudo must not be required for this |
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| 16:36.21 | oxek | I do not see any new messages in dmesg when connecting or working with the share |
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| 16:36.51 | winterflaw | I've been trying to set up a single static IP address on a dev board running Debian. I've not been able to do so. It's been two days of trying, now giving up. I have no idea why it doesn't work, which is really the frustrating thing - you always want to know. |
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| 16:39.52 | ratrace | was that a ragequit? |
| 16:40.08 | usney | how do I remove a required package if it is installed by not by apt? |
| 16:40.32 | usney | I would assume to remove it and then set it to manually install |
| 16:40.35 | ratrace | usney: what package and how was it installed if not via apt (or dpkg, which is same database)? |
| 16:40.36 | towo` | usney, who should know |
| 16:41.02 | towo` | and if it is required, removing is a bad idea |
| 16:41.07 | usney | I installed youtube-dl to /usr/local/bin |
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| 16:41.15 | ratrace | usney: installed how? |
| 16:41.26 | usney | mpv seems to require youtube-dl |
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| 16:41.49 | greycat | you want to tell the Debian mpv package that youtube-dl has been provided, without installing the Debian youtube-dl package? equivs. |
| 16:41.54 | usney | sudo wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl -O /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 16:41.54 | usney | sudo chmod a+rx /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 16:42.00 | oxek | usney: download the linux binary from the official youtube-dl website and overwrite the debian provided one. That works for me. |
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| 16:42.24 | somiaj | !equivs |
| 16:42.24 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 16:42.31 | somiaj | (to add to greycat comment) |
| 16:42.31 | usney | oh yes I forgot I can just ln the /usr/localbin to /usr/bin |
| 16:42.45 | somiaj | usney: you don't want to make that link. |
| 16:42.45 | greycat | usney: don't do that |
| 16:42.51 | usney | oh okay |
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| 16:43.14 | usney | thank you for your advice. |
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| 16:43.25 | somiaj | usney: also note, that youtube-dl is only a recommended package, so apt --no-install-recommends install mpv |
| 16:43.27 | oxek | why not? I am new and looking to learn. |
| 16:43.29 | annadane | you understand why you shouldn't, right? |
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| 16:43.48 | annadane | because /usr/bin contains critical stuff and you don't want to link it to /usr/local/bin |
| 16:43.52 | usney | are you talking to me annadane ? |
| 16:43.56 | ratrace | oxek: clobbers packaged file in /usr/bin/ (assuming usney really meant symlinking /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl and not the entire dir) |
| 16:44.20 | usney | no I mean link /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl to /usr/bin/youtube-dl |
| 16:44.24 | somiaj | oxek: dpkg will overwrite any changes you make the next time the package is upgraded. In general you should let dpkg manage the files in /usr, use /usr/local for local/custom stuff. |
| 16:44.36 | oxek | ratrace: it is safe in the case of youtube-dl though, especially since the version packaged for debian stable plainly does not work anymore due to changes on youtube website. |
| 16:44.49 | somiaj | usney: so in this case, just install mpv without youtube-dl, no need for equivs as the depends is not a require depends (only recommended) |
| 16:44.59 | ratrace | oxek: that's orthogonal to symlinking a file while packaged one exists |
| 16:45.02 | usney | oh okay thank you |
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| 16:45.17 | ratrace | meanwhile, I'm just using youtube-dl from a virtualenv ..... |
| 16:45.31 | usney | in the python virtualenv? |
| 16:45.32 | ratrace | SPEAKING OF WHICH..... google broke latest youtube-dl just yesterday, can't dl anything |
| 16:45.41 | somiaj | oxek: that link adds on additional functionality to your system (since /usr/local/bin is already in your PATH), and only causes problem. |
| 16:45.48 | ratrace | usney: yes, created a venv, and then pip-installed youtube-dl in it |
| 16:45.50 | usney | I haven't used it lately so I wouldn't know |
| 16:45.56 | usney | yes I have done that |
| 16:46.14 | ratrace | usney: done what, the virtualenv pip install? |
| 16:46.15 | oxek | imo youtube-dl should not be packaged for debian stable, only for debian testing due to frequent updates. |
| 16:46.19 | somiaj | oxek: also since /usr/local/bin take priority over /usr/bin, that link will never be used. |
| 16:46.31 | annadane | youtube-dl *should*, in a perfect world, work without too many updates, but unfortunately corporations don't like to play nice |
| 16:46.47 | usney | how do you keep doing that would having to source activate each time you want to use youtube-dl? ratrace yes the virtualenv pip youtube-dl install. |
| 16:46.49 | oxek | somiaj: maybe I confused the directories then. |
| 16:46.57 | usney | without having to* |
| 16:46.58 | ratrace | pretty sure corps are just protecting their interests and youtube-dl is the leech here :) </devils-advocate> :) |
| 16:47.16 | annadane | disagrees with the devils advocate |
| 16:47.35 | ratrace | usney: you don't actually have to source activate. that only modifies $PATH so you can symlink into the venv/bin/.... directly, as those py files are hardcoded for the venv python |
| 16:47.57 | somiaj | I personally suggest downloading and putting it in $HOME/bin, but that is because I am on a system in which other users don't need access to that binary. |
| 16:48.11 | usney | how can I avoid doing the source activate each time do I have to change my environment variables? ratrace |
| 16:48.23 | ratrace | usney: I literally just told you |
| 16:49.09 | usney | I see |
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| 16:56.09 | usney | is it always safe to purge files in apt that are no longer needed? |
| 16:56.47 | somiaj | depends, did you do any custom changes to the config files in /etc you may wish you had at some future date? |
| 16:57.20 | somiaj | remove vs purge, is just apt/dpkg not destorying user configs by default in case you need them. |
| 16:58.22 | usney | no I didn't need any config files that's what I thought it removed I was just checking |
| 16:58.47 | annadane | most users will prefer Remove unless they have specific reasons |
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| 16:59.03 | usney | okay |
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| 17:14.39 | oxek | I am the master of SMB now. Installed gvfs-fuse and all works now... |
| 17:14.57 | oxek | interestingly enough, gvfs-fuse was installed by default in debian testing but not in debian stable. |
| 17:16.01 | oxek | I also had to reboot for it to work. |
| 17:16.20 | oxek | 2 days I spent on this issue... |
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| 18:15.46 | simplicius | hello |
| 18:16.05 | simplicius | when I compile using FLAGS with gcc the 1st time I see warnings then they disappear |
| 18:16.24 | simplicius | they told me that the build system is doing that, not gcc.. |
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| 18:17.44 | somiaj | what do you mean by build system, are you using make or something else, or using gcc directly? |
| 18:17.57 | simplicius | using make |
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| 18:18.32 | somiaj | so they could be correct, make is giving you the warnings, though I'm unsure how to best fix this. |
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| 18:20.04 | simplicius | it's a debian issue on dilos they can see them |
| 18:20.21 | sney | put your cflags in the Makefile and include -Wall |
| 18:20.26 | sney | then you will always see all warnings |
| 18:20.47 | greycat | simplicius: what is "FLAGS"? what is "dilos"? what is the actual warning you're seeing? |
| 18:21.16 | simplicius | I'm compiling with gcc -std=c99 -W -Wextra -Werror -ggdb3 -Wall -pedantic ... |
| 18:21.25 | somiaj | dilos appears to be some based off debian tool, "DilOS is illumos based platform with a debian package manager" |
| 18:22.19 | simplicius | yes |
| 18:23.13 | joepublic | illumos is based on open solaris, even if they are using apt to manage packages |
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| 18:23.53 | somiaj | we don't supported based on debian here, and it appears you really just have dpkg/apt on top of something eles. This issue is probably more related to the makefile being used though. |
| 18:24.37 | simplicius | the debian build system leaves a lot to be desired |
| 18:25.04 | joepublic | your desires are noted and will be carefully considered. |
| 18:25.10 | greycat | what "debian build system" are you even talking about |
| 18:26.42 | simplicius | If I forget to include some header it doesn't even alert me |
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| 18:27.47 | somiaj | what? Are you budling a .deb? If so you should state this, so far you have stated you are using gcc and make which isn't the debian build system, but the make build system. |
| 18:28.01 | cyveris | And also not running Debian. |
| 18:28.11 | simplicius | I'm try to build my project |
| 18:28.23 | somiaj | simplicius: and you are using make to do this? |
| 18:28.30 | simplicius | yes |
| 18:28.32 | tarzeau | simplicius: it's far better than the rpm, solaris pkg, and many others |
| 18:28.43 | tarzeau | simplicius: and your project is where? url? |
| 18:28.52 | somiaj | simplicius: Well you aren't even running debian, and make is not the debian build system, maybe try ##linux. |
| 18:29.03 | cyveris | He's not even running Linux. He's on some Solaris derivative. |
| 18:29.10 | tarzeau | simplicius: a build system's job is not to alert you when you forget to include some header |
| 18:29.14 | tarzeau | simpit's job is to build stuff |
| 18:29.41 | simplicius | I'm ruinng 4.19.0-6 |
| 18:29.42 | tarzeau | simplicius: the compiler tells you already |
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| 18:29.52 | greycat | This is pointless. *plonk* |
| 18:30.17 | greycat | He's not running Debian, he's not correctly stating what he's doing, he's not giving DETAILS necessary to understand the issue, .... |
| 18:30.34 | cyveris | simplicius: This is not the channel for your issue. Please stop spamming off-topic stuff. |
| 18:30.40 | cyveris | You're not running Debian, or even Linux. |
| 18:30.45 | tarzeau | greycat: just like at work "it doesn't work :)" |
| 18:30.52 | tarzeau | my favourite bug report |
| 18:31.16 | dvs | heh |
| 18:31.22 | cast4dx | i've followed this advice to enable autologin for Xfce + lightdm on Debian buster running in a KVM vm, but it doesn't autologin, where should i start looking for the problem? |
| 18:31.24 | dvs | That hits too close to home |
| 18:31.25 | cast4dx | https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin |
| 18:31.29 | joepublic | a correct response to "it doesn't work" is "try plugging it in" |
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| 18:32.00 | dvs | or "it's not a coffee cup holder" |
| 18:32.09 | tarzeau | joepublic: i first ask if it's macOS/windows or linux. for windows also works "throw it out the window" |
| 18:32.25 | somiaj | joepublic: "have you turned it off and back on again?" |
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| 18:38.19 | oxek | Is there a command to uninstall packages that were automatically installed with a package that I just removed? |
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| 18:39.07 | somiaj | if using aptitude they are removed automatically, if using apt, run 'apt autoremove' afterards |
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| 18:40.53 | oxek | I tried `apt autoremove` but it did not remove them |
| 18:41.32 | oxek | for example: I installed smbclient and it pulled samba-common with it. I now uninstalled smbclient but samba-common remains. I run `apt autoremove` and nothing is removed. |
| 18:42.23 | dvs | oxek, maybe because another package can use it (a suggested package) |
| 18:42.41 | oxek | hmm, do suggested packages work this way? |
| 18:43.14 | oxek | `apt list samba-common` still shows it is automatically installed |
| 18:43.27 | somiaj | oxek: yes, autoremove will only remove auto packages that are not dependeded on, recommended by or suggested by another manual package you have installed |
| 18:43.30 | greycat | try "aptitude why samba-common" |
| 18:43.44 | somiaj | so if apt installs a package that is suggested by another package you already have installed, autoremove won't remove it. |
| 18:44.01 | oxek | I did not know that, thanks for telling me |
| 18:44.12 | oxek | it's not how I'd imagine 'suggested' packages would work |
| 18:44.18 | oxek | if they were automatically installed |
| 18:44.31 | oxek | greycat: any way of doing it with apt instead of aptitude? |
| 18:44.55 | somiaj | yea, the issue is recommended packages are installed by default, but suggested are not, so you could have a package that suggests another package on your system already. |
| 18:45.09 | greycat | It is for INFORMATION GATHERING PURPOSES, just fucking do it. |
| 18:45.12 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 18:45.14 | somiaj | oxek: I don't think the 'why' and 'why-not' capabilities have been added to apt. |
| 18:45.32 | somiaj | oxek: you could try to search through the reverse depends yourself, but aptitude does such a nice job here. |
| 18:46.14 | somiaj | though more and more apt is getting some of the aptitude only features, maybe one day this will be part of apt |
| 18:46.17 | oxek | I don't have aptitude and am afraid that if I install it it will pull in a whole bunch of packages that will not be autoremoved afterwards |
| 18:46.35 | annadane | aptitude's pretty self contained AFAIK |
| 18:46.47 | somiaj | oxek: why? Is harddrive space so valuable that a few extra packages are gonna fill it up? |
| 18:46.54 | greycat | Then you will never know why apt(itude) feels this package is not eligible for autoremoval. Your loss. |
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| 18:47.14 | somiaj | for instance samba-common: Installed-Size: 288 kB |
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| 18:47.34 | oxek | somiaj: I am used to stuff installing all sorts of services, autoupdaters, background processes, etc. so I am wary of this |
| 18:48.03 | rozie | first of all, you can configure apt not to install suggested and recommended packages |
| 18:48.11 | JyZyXEL | does Discords voice calls work for other Chromium users here? |
| 18:48.27 | somiaj | rozie: this isn't the issue, the issue was some package depends was another packages suggested, that would not change what happened. |
| 18:48.46 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: any reason you aren't using the discord app? |
| 18:48.56 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: that works on debian? |
| 18:48.57 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I haven't tried using chromium with discord, but the app always worked for me. |
| 18:49.19 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I think you can install it in $HOME or they have a deb, but yes discord has a linux client. |
| 18:49.27 | JyZyXEL | had no idea :) |
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| 18:50.46 | JyZyXEL | though the .deb from a non-debian source is probably a bad idea without a condom |
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| 18:51.32 | somiaj | not really, nothing wrong with thrid party .deb's. Lots of places make them fairly self contained. |
| 18:51.42 | somiaj | (it is the one that require a lot of additional libaries that are the problem). |
| 18:51.50 | somiaj | I had no issue with installing the discord app in debian for what it is worth. |
| 18:52.00 | JyZyXEL | how does dpkg -L look for it? |
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| 18:52.21 | somiaj | I'm not on that system right now, but I recall having no problems and finding the package safe |
| 18:52.29 | greycat | JyZyXEL: dpkg -L reads the contents from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 18:52.45 | somiaj | I belive the package is just a launcher, and it downloads the actuall app into $HOME, so it can auto update it regurally |
| 18:54.03 | JyZyXEL | greycat: so it would only work for official debian packages? |
| 18:54.43 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: You can extract the .deb and look at it if you really want. Again I had no issues with installing it and trust it to be safe with debian for whatever that is worth. |
| 18:55.02 | greycat | JyZyXEL: that is completely incorrect. Did you even *try*? Or *look*? |
| 18:55.02 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: that would work for any package you have installed, so you have to install it frist. |
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| 18:55.31 | somiaj | greycat: though I think they were wanting the output from a system that has it installed, I don't think they have actually insalled the package yet. |
| 18:55.39 | JyZyXEL | exactly |
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| 18:56.06 | greycat | then why did they talk about dpkg -L which ONLY DOES THINGS WITH INSTALLED PACKAGES .... |
| 18:56.20 | oxek | is aptitude still being developed? |
| 18:56.30 | greycat | ,v aptitude |
| 18:56.31 | judd | Package: aptitude on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.11-1+b1; stretch: 0.8.7-1; buster: 0.8.11-7; bullseye: 0.8.12-3; sid: 0.8.12-3 |
| 18:56.32 | somiaj | greycat: they wanted someone who had it installed to do that. |
| 18:56.33 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: you are right, it's pretty much just a self contained binary with some /usr/share resources |
| 18:57.22 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: it is a launcher I belive, the actuall app is installed in $HOME, so it can get updates indpenednet of hte pakage if I recall (I have been using windows on my desktop for a while now due to some software incompadabilities with work so I can't check) |
| 18:57.28 | greycat | somiaj: oh, it's an English proficiency issue. They asked how dpkg -L works, but they *meant* "please run dpkg -L for me and report the output". |
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| 18:58.23 | JyZyXEL | hehe, didn't even realize it could be read another way |
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| 19:01.59 | Ede|Popede | somiaj: that's actually what i did some time ago (remembered it because i did the samee with Tox just recently): download the .deb and look into it (including install scripts - if possible i prefer to throw 3rd party stuff into /usr/local and i'm not afraid of some additional manual work. |
| 19:01.59 | Ede|Popede | they both had 2 things in common: electron based and both installer scripts were checking for the chromium sandbox being SUID root. didn't like this. is it just me or is this suboptimal, thinking of the trouble around even good old beep? |
| 19:05.24 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: thank you. got it firejailed now and mic is working :) |
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| 19:12.37 | m0rr1gan | hello, I have a docker container running debian buster. The `default-mysql-client` does not provide the `caching_sha2_password.so` for interacting with default mysql 8 passwords. How would I best be able to install that file? PPA? I'd prefer not to downgrade the password hashing in mysql |
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| 19:24.03 | kreyren | How do i get proxychains on debian |
| 19:24.49 | kreyren | kreyren, proxychain package |
| 19:24.51 | kreyren | kreyren, thanks |
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| 19:32.39 | bdax | does anyone know of a good way to to automount usbs? debian's wiki says autofs is deprecated in favour of usbmount, but usbmount isn't available on debian buster |
| 19:33.03 | somiaj | bdax: do you not use a DE? |
| 19:33.23 | somiaj | yea the wiki is outdated on this front, I forget what tool is used now. Most DE's do this already |
| 19:33.39 | bdax | ah, I use bspwm so my system is quite stripped down |
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| 19:34.23 | somiaj | okay, yea I use a simple wm myself, but also don't like auto anything so I manually mount my usb drives, hence I'm unsure what tool is prefered now |
| 19:34.42 | somiaj | seems systemd can do automuting, and maybe udsiks2 |
| 19:34.46 | somiaj | ,i udisks2 |
| 19:34.47 | judd | Package udisks2 (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices. Version: 2.8.1-4; Size: 360.7k; Installed: 2361k; Homepage: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/udisks |
| 19:35.06 | bdax | ah interesting, thanks somiaj |
| 19:37.45 | somiaj | now that I see the name, I do think udisk2 is the standard way now for automouting usb drives |
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| 19:39.02 | petn-randall | kreyren: glad we could help. |
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| 19:54.19 | lwp | I try to be knowledgeable about making install media, so I have a question about some USB-writing advice from earlier today -- it seems to be the opposite of what I thought is correct: |
| 19:54.41 | lwp | 05:48:56 <dvs>Eryn_1983_FL, you don't need sync for dd 05:52:40 <dvs>Eryn_1983_FL, if you use cat, you must use sync |
| 19:55.34 | dvs | I still stand by that. |
| 19:55.48 | dvs | You also need sync for cp |
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| 20:06.57 | jhutchins | The system will eventually sync on it's own, and I believe it will sync if you umount it. Most GUI device handlers will also sync on "eject". |
| 20:08.06 | dvs | jhutchins, you don't mount if you are making install media |
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| 20:09.47 | lwp | the question is not "eventually" the question is when is it safe to remove the USB stick? some may be tempted to pull the device as soon as the dd command returns to a command prompt |
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| 20:13.42 | wigums | its safe to pull the stick after dd has finished |
| 20:14.21 | greycat | Only if you use the fsync option. |
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| 20:17.34 | bitblit | hello, i think i messed up the perms on my vm's qcow2. anyone know what the defaults should be? tried owner as libvirt-qemu:kvm. |
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| 20:18.33 | horribleprogram | hello |
| 20:18.54 | horribleprogram | my pulseaudio always stops working in 10 minute intervals, I get it working again with killall pulseaudio |
| 20:19.01 | horribleprogram | is this some sort of bug? |
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| 20:21.23 | horribleprogram | also how I remove a ppa from my apt |
| 20:22.12 | horribleprogram | E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kelleyk/emacs/ubuntu groovy Release' does not have a Release file. |
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| 20:23.13 | ratrace | why are you using ubuntu ppas on debian... that's not gonna work, ever. meanwhile, you probably just have to remove the repo config file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or reverse whatever way you used to add it in the first place. |
| 20:25.15 | annadane | you needed a ppa for emacs of all things? |
| 20:25.16 | horribleprogram | ahh sources.list.d/ |
| 20:25.29 | horribleprogram | I looked in sources.list didn't see it |
| 20:25.34 | horribleprogram | LOL |
| 20:25.41 | ratrace | that's because you're on ubuntu |
| 20:25.42 | horribleprogram | there's a bug in the normal emacs |
| 20:25.44 | ratrace | !ubuntu |
| 20:25.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 20:25.50 | horribleprogram | I'm not I'm on Debian |
| 20:26.03 | horribleprogram | I added that repo from a SO solution |
| 20:26.07 | ratrace | so which _debian_ command did you use to add the ppa? |
| 20:26.07 | horribleprogram | didn't realize it was for ubuntu lol |
| 20:26.18 | horribleprogram | apt-add-repository or something |
| 20:26.49 | horribleprogram | yeah I see the .list file |
| 20:26.55 | horribleprogram | in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 20:29.18 | greycat | you remove it with rm(1) |
| 20:29.27 | greycat | followed by apt-get update |
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| 20:32.54 | horribleprogram | greycat: wow very inciteful, tyvm |
| 20:33.11 | ratrace | also, apt-add-repository has an option to remove repos as well... |
| 20:33.34 | horribleprogram | yeah I figured that as well, like a -d option or someshit, I just hate things like... shorthand names |
| 20:33.51 | horribleprogram | cuz I always forget them, like you know when you add a remote repo you give it a shorthand name? |
| 20:34.14 | ratrace | no, what name? |
| 20:34.26 | horribleprogram | git remote add shorthandName https://.... |
| 20:35.05 | ratrace | I don't know what you're talking about, in relation to apt sources |
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| 20:35.28 | horribleprogram | how would I remove the emacs ppa with apt-add-repository |
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| 20:35.33 | horribleprogram | I don't remember what I used to add it |
| 20:35.36 | horribleprogram | u feel me? |
| 20:35.44 | greycat | I don't know or care. I only answered 16:21 horribleprogram> also how I remove a ppa from my apt |
| 20:35.53 | horribleprogram | I did already greycat |
| 20:36.15 | horribleprogram | I'm trying to explain to ratrace the analogy I presented |
| 20:36.45 | ratrace | well frankly I don't care either :) |
| 20:37.06 | horribleprogram | I care the least |
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| 20:37.28 | horribleprogram | anyways lol |
| 20:37.30 | horribleprogram | tyvm guys, tc |
| 20:38.46 | ratrace | oof new kernel.... I foresee fun weekend ahead... |
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| 20:39.13 | greycat | It looked like a really small change, so I haven't even rebooted yet. |
| 20:41.46 | ratrace | well there's a local priv escalation that I always treat as "remote vuln" due to possibility of multi-stage intrusion through public services... |
| 20:43.14 | greycat | that's not clear in the changelog.gz ... first one is KVM only, checking the second... |
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| 20:44.04 | ratrace | greycat: use after free in VFS layer |
| 20:44.34 | ratrace | my bad, isn't priv escalation, but it's critical nonetheless on servers |
| 20:45.14 | ratrace | actually, the IBM Z one is local priv escalation, but that doesn't concern my use case |
| 20:45.30 | greycat | so... the second one (CVE-2020-8428) |
| 20:46.25 | ratrace | yeah 8428 is most "critical" for me |
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| 20:52.05 | dvs | checks out ratrace's mainframe |
| 20:54.06 | ratrace | ah I meant.... I don't have any IBM Zs :) |
| 20:54.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 21:35.19 | f8e4 | how to get processes that use the network interface? sometimes i have 1 min spikes with 2mb donwload, how to detect/find out? |
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| 21:38.40 | somiaj | various network traffic tools can help with this. iptraf (now iptraf-ng) I think can list network usage and tie it to processes |
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| 21:40.40 | senate | lsof -i |
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| 21:41.42 | f8e4 | senate well long list |
| 21:43.15 | somiaj | though that might just list a lot of open sockets (maybe similar to netstat) vs identify what is using the network trafic. |
| 21:43.37 | senate | ah i didnt read all question :) |
| 21:44.16 | senate | with -i you can specifiy port or hostnbame or protocol and see all files that use that, but not interface |
| 21:46.09 | senate | teting iptraf, how do you see that in iptraf? |
| 21:46.49 | somiaj | Does iptraf only give ip's and not process? Its been a while since I"ve used it |
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| 21:47.11 | ryouma | f8e4: nethogs -p -- show /unix process/ and bandwidth hogs real time |
| 21:47.30 | greycat | Seems to me the first step would be to identify the protocol and port involved, and then you can work backward from that to see what process was in charge of that port at the time. |
| 21:48.16 | greycat | ... or, there might be a special-purpose tool already written |
| 21:48.24 | ryouma | there is also a tool taht shows connections in real time so it is lower volume. color coded. soyou coulod look at that stream for something with a 1m period. |
| 21:48.41 | ryouma | dunno its name |
| 21:48.56 | greycat | ntop? |
| 21:49.31 | somiaj | yea seems iptraf only gives ipaddress/ports but not actuall process |
| 21:49.38 | greycat | nethogs does look promising |
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| 21:50.18 | ryouma | f8e4: tcpick -a -C -- show connection flow history real time |
| 21:50.48 | ryouma | dunno if iftop would be useful |
| 21:51.42 | f8e4 | ok will try iftop nethogs and tcpick |
| 21:52.37 | ryouma | also in principle could try pktstat -- who you connect to and /what filename being transferred/ |
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| 22:09.18 | buttros | Hi! I'm on Debian Testing Gnome in VirtualBox and shell extension setting in tweaks do not work. Any ideas? |
| 22:09.35 | buttros | settings |
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| 22:10.36 | buttros | Gnome 3.36.1 |
| 22:12.20 | annadane | #debian-next |
| 22:12.24 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 22:12.24 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:12.27 | annadane | buttros, ^ |
| 22:12.57 | annadane | (channel is on oftc, not here on freenode) |
| 22:13.41 | buttros | annadane: Thanks! |
| 22:14.12 | Mysterytrain | my sources.list is giving me problems here is the sources.list and the errors: |
| 22:14.25 | Mysterytrain | http://paste.debian.net/1143843/ |
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| 22:15.31 | dvs | Mysterytrain, line 6-7 and 11-12 point to the same repo |
| 22:16.30 | cyveris | As do 1-2 and 3-4. |
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| 22:16.46 | dvs | good call |
| 22:17.05 | Mysterytrain | I thought you had to have both main and main contrib non-free |
| 22:17.10 | Mysterytrain | oops |
| 22:17.20 | dvs | Mysterytrain, no you only need main contrib non-free |
| 22:17.30 | Mysterytrain | so that's all the problem was heh. |
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| 22:52.06 | aphorise | I'm using virtualbox and trying to set the date to a particular point in the past with `timedatectl` - I've tried a lot of things including `timedatectl set-local-rtc false` - yet a few seconds after having all RTC, universal & Local times set it reverts back to the current time... can anyone suggest what else it may be? |
| 22:52.53 | aphorise | RTC tims remains as I want - but not local & universal times... even though I have syn disabled. |
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| 22:55.43 | invra | how do i actually get flatpack on buster? |
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| 22:57.07 | sney | invra: 'apt install flatpak' |
| 22:57.17 | brokencycle | Hi! Can anyone recommend how to learn assembly language programming for x86_64? |
| 22:57.29 | brokencycle | I mean, are there any recommended tools to use? |
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| 23:02.04 | somiaj | aphorise: systemd contains a ntp daemon by default, and in general you don't want to change the time of your system. Why do you want to change the date? |
| 23:02.31 | somiaj | ,i faketime |
| 23:02.32 | judd | Package faketime (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Report faked system time to programs (command-line tool). Version: 0.9.7-3; Size: 14.3k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: https://github.com/wolfcw/libfaketime |
| 23:02.41 | somiaj | aphorise: ^^ could that work for your use case? |
| 23:02.44 | aphorise | somiaj not without reason - I'm doing some testing that's date / time related. |
| 23:03.08 | aphorise | will check that faketime thanks |
| 23:03.46 | somiaj | look at/disable systemd-timesyncd.service, though expect other things to get made/complain/notwork if your time goes to much out of sync |
| 23:04.26 | aphorise | I tried disabling that already had no effect |
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| 23:05.10 | somiaj | did you also stop it, disable only keeps it fromloading at boot? |
| 23:05.11 | aphorise | faketime only does it per CLI - I need this system wide though :-( |
| 23:05.36 | somiaj | and if stoping it doesnt' work, then try to mask it |
| 23:05.36 | aphorise | yes I stopped it too |
| 23:05.59 | aphorise | somiaj what does mask mean in this context? - not sure I understand. |
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| 23:06.07 | somiaj | and you don't have any other ntp daemons running, 'dpkg -l | grep ntp' |
| 23:06.19 | somiaj | aphorise: maks points the service at /dev/null and prevents it from running under any circumstance. |
| 23:06.45 | russw | I'm having weird problems in some applications where mousewheel events are getting picked up intermittently. running buster, Any ideas on how to fix? been looking at evdev vs libinput, but don't really know enough. |
| 23:06.54 | somiaj | enable/disable sets if it runs at boot, start/stop is for services that continousually run, some services are triggered by hooks, so stopping ti wont' help, masking it prevents if rom ever running |
| 23:07.43 | somiaj | russw: xev is a small tool you can use to check if the application is getting the X event, and can sometimes help debug things |
| 23:08.05 | somiaj | russw: if the application is not getting the event (or only gets it sometimes), this could mean your window manager/de is getting in the way. |
| 23:09.00 | russw | looking into xev now... thanks |
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| 23:11.07 | somiaj | russw: run it from a terminal, it will produce a lot of output, so you may need to log it |
| 23:11.10 | russw | xev seems to be getting 100% of every mousewheel movement. no misses. |
| 23:11.24 | somiaj | so maybe the appliaction is having trouble once it recieves them. |
| 23:11.28 | russw | how can I tell if/how the window manager is getting in the way? |
| 23:11.41 | somiaj | if xev is getting them, that means they are being passed to the application correctly |
| 23:11.57 | somiaj | (well should be, unless your wm/de has window specific mouse bindings) |
| 23:12.35 | russw | fwiw, my wm is KWin |
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| 23:15.20 | russw | definitely ok for xev... `xev | grep "Button.*event"` catches everything perfectly. Hmm. |
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| 23:21.47 | russw | Interestingly it is an issue only with some applications, but not all. For example, Geany mousewheel event pickup is 100% perfect (like with xev). Sublime and Wing have issues. Wing uses scintilla... not sure about Sublime. Wonder if it is there? |
| 23:22.36 | russw | Kate is also perfect. |
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| 23:27.48 | russw | it's not scintilla since SciTE 4.1.3 is fine. Unless it is a version thing? |
| 23:27.54 | russw | What an annoying problem, :( |
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| 23:28.55 | somiaj | russw: is this on debian stable? |
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| 23:34.11 | russw | somiaj: yes |
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| 23:38.20 | somiaj | russw: might be something to do with those particular applications, maybe see if anyone else has reported a similar bug. But it shoulds like the events are getting sent to the applications just fine, maybe the applications can't deal with them if they come to fast |
| 23:38.39 | somiaj | russw: also some apps have this idea of double click, so if they recieve two events in a short enough time it is a double click not a single click, and thus different behavior |
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| 23:41.49 | russw | that last bit is my guess as to what is happening, since the wheel events come through as buttonpress and buttonrelease |
| 23:42.55 | somiaj | Yea, from an X point of view there is nothing special about the mouse wheel, it is just two more buttons (or more depending on the wheel), and the app has to deal with them correctly |
| 23:43.13 | somiaj | and it sounds like since some apps do this correctly, the problem lies in the app and not the hardware, xorg, windowmanager |
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| 23:48.07 | russw | yep |
| 23:49.02 | russw | definitely odd behaviour though. Most apps are fine and get every single measured dedent change in the mousewheel without issue. Sublime and Wing are the the only to problems so far. |
| 23:49.13 | russw | (and I spend most of my day in those... sigh) |
| 23:51.51 | somiaj | start with bug reprots against those apps, if youd ont' find one file one. |
| 23:51.59 | russw | already done :) |
| 23:52.15 | somiaj | Depending on the app, some prefer you report to debian, and debian pushes upstream, others appear filing to upstream directly |
| 23:56.57 | russw | just switched mice and it is much better. This probably means it is the time between ButtonPress and ButtonRelease. Maybe too fast on the problematic mouse? |
| 23:57.41 | somiaj | could be, I have had mice do that, in this case wonder if it is just poor coding and if events come to fast the app discards them |
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