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| 00:07.01 | russw | Just to close on this (for interest's sake), the problematic mouse *does* advertise a "faster" mousewheel response as a gaming thing, so that matches the theory... and does seem to indicate it isn't just marketing (time from finger action to ButtonRelease is actually shorter!). |
| 00:07.05 | russw | This is the mouse, fwiw: |
| 00:07.06 | russw | https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=37991Â |
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| 00:13.01 | somiaj | russw: well at least you know it is working as designed, but yea could be poor code is setup assuming events at a normal mouse rate |
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| 00:36.04 | invra | how should i go about installing gparted 1.0 on buster? the repo has 0.32 |
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| 00:37.29 | dvs | ,v gparted |
| 00:37.30 | judd | Package: gparted on amd64 -- jessie: 0.19.0-2; stretch: 0.25.0-1+b1; buster: 0.32.0-2; bullseye: 1.0.0-0.1; sid: 1.0.0-0.1 |
| 00:37.39 | dvs | It's also in sid |
| 00:37.44 | dvs | !ssb |
| 00:37.44 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:39.19 | invra | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster-backports&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=gparted Internal Server Error? |
| 00:40.32 | dvs | nope, it clearly doesn't say it's in buster-backports |
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| 00:41.41 | invra | dvs: https://imgur.com/cIhyLRtl.png :/ |
| 00:45.39 | dvs | <judd> Package: gparted on amd64 -- jessie: 0.19.0-2; stretch: 0.25.0-1+b1; buster: 0.32.0-2; bullseye: 1.0.0-0.1; sid: 1.0.0-0.1 |
| 00:48.04 | ChiLLabiS | How do i upgrade to Sid from Buster? |
| 00:48.14 | invra | yeah i already saw that, thats why i went to the backports page |
| 00:48.38 | dvs | !iyhtays ChiLLabiS |
| 00:48.38 | dpkg | ChiLLabiS: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 00:49.09 | ChiLLabiS | ? |
| 00:49.22 | velix | Is there a tool, which could send me an email if there are upgradeable packages or should I script it myself using cron? |
| 00:49.36 | BalooRJ | Why run Sid? |
| 00:50.00 | invra | im unsure on where that is located dvs |
| 00:50.07 | ChiLLabiS | BalooRJ: I'm a newb, i want newer versions on apps and other packages |
| 00:50.11 | velix | BalooRJ: because the name is stable and short ;) |
| 00:50.20 | dvs | velix, KDE has an upgrade icon in the bottom right corner when there are new packages so I imagine there is. |
| 00:50.36 | BalooRJ | velix: lol |
| 00:50.43 | velix | dvs: I've never used X-server on linux for over 10 years. And I won't install for an update function :D |
| 00:50.49 | BalooRJ | ChiLLabiS: Might be better off with another distro then |
| 00:50.50 | velix | dvs: I'm on shell _only_ |
| 00:50.57 | ChiLLabiS | Ok |
| 00:51.01 | velix | dvs: ncurses is enough for me ;) |
| 00:51.20 | BalooRJ | And I don't mean that to be flippant, but Debian is not designed to do that...the packages are curated not to break. |
| 00:51.32 | velix | ChiLLabiS: that's what docker is for. or chroots. |
| 00:51.42 | velix | Just get a stable Debian, install Docker or Podman or a chroot with sid. |
| 00:51.43 | dvs | velix, I'm sure that the GUI icon uses a command-line command to set the flag. |
| 00:51.58 | velix | dvs: okay, I'll dig into that. otherwise: writing my own function doesn't kill me. |
| 00:52.25 | ChiLLabiS | And i want recent drivers for my graphicscard |
| 00:53.22 | somiaj | ChiLLabiS: you can get newer kernel/drivers from buster-backports. |
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| 00:53.42 | ChiLLabiS | Okay then |
| 00:53.57 | ChiLLabiS | Thanks for the info |
| 00:54.01 | somiaj | ChiLLabiS: If you want to run testing/sid, there is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and various guides on how to do that. Thigns will break, you will encounter grave bugs, and if you don't understand debian that well it may not be what you want. |
| 00:54.34 | somiaj | It could be debian is not the distro for you, but you can run the development version of debian if you like, just expect less help and things to break from time to time. |
| 00:54.35 | ChiLLabiS | Okay thanks for the warning. I'll stay with buster and backports then |
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| 00:56.18 | velix | Kernel 5.4 from buster-backports is running damn stable on 7 of my machines. |
| 00:56.32 | annadane | stability is underrated |
| 00:56.42 | annadane | you can get specific versions of new things you need, 99% of the time |
| 00:56.46 | invra | Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitMasked: Unit -.mount is masked what does it even mean |
| 00:57.09 | velix | annadane: as long as my chair is stable, I'm fine. if it breaks, I have to quit home-office :D |
| 00:57.10 | invra | systemctl list-unit-files outputs -.mount masked-runtime |
| 00:57.17 | somiaj | invra: you have masked some unit, do you see the file -.mount in /etc/systemd/system? |
| 00:57.18 | invra | what kind of service is that |
| 00:57.39 | invra | somiaj: no |
| 00:57.44 | annadane | i need a new chair. :P |
| 00:57.51 | somiaj | invra: sounds like an error you made, it is probably a link from /etc/systemd/system/-.mount -> /dev/null |
| 00:58.12 | somiaj | invra: do you see such a file in /lib/systemd/system? Do you have any lines in /etc/fstab that could be creating such a mount unit? |
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| 00:58.36 | somiaj | invra: systemctl status -.mount should tell you where the unit file is located |
| 00:58.43 | invra | http://ix.io/2k6M |
| 00:58.55 | BalooRJ | One thing I will say about the Debian backports though...there are some packages that I do not understand why they're in every Debian distro but stable |
| 00:59.05 | invra | http://ix.io/2k6N |
| 00:59.06 | BalooRJ | I can't figure out why mugshot is not in Buster |
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| 00:59.40 | somiaj | invra: systemctl status -.mount output? |
| 00:59.49 | BalooRJ | All i want to do is change my user icon in the Tasker menu... |
| 01:00.00 | invra | systemctl: invalid option -- '.' |
| 01:01.02 | somiaj | invra: systemctl status -- -.mount <- that works for me, seems to be my / file system, though unsure why it is called just -.mount |
| 01:01.43 | invra | http://ix.io/2k6Q |
| 01:01.51 | invra | what on earth is this |
| 01:02.09 | somiaj | invra: on my system it appears to be generaed and for my root file system, wonder why it is masked on your system. |
| 01:02.46 | somiaj | invra: systemctl unmask -- -.mount then run the status command again |
| 01:03.43 | invra | somiaj: the only thing i did after install is, install dmraid and mdadm.. then when i saw one was messing with the other i removed dmraid with apt remove dmraid. thats all i did in the install i got basically |
| 01:04.29 | invra | dont know if it can actually help somehow to figure out anything... but thats pretty much the only thing i did |
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| 01:05.29 | invra | somiaj: http://ix.io/2k6R |
| 01:05.31 | somiaj | invra: yea I'm not sure why that is masked, but did unmasking it do anything? I don't use raid, so unsure if the mount units generated from /etc/fstab would be different int hat case, I just see that on my system -.mount is generated from /etc/fstab and is related to my root fs. is /dev/sda5 your root fs, or is your root fs on some raid? |
| 01:05.58 | somiaj | on a raid system isn't the root file system on some other device? |
| 01:06.37 | invra | somiaj: i never generated a fstab, i skipped the grub installation part as i manage my grub from a different install.. the fstab is copy pasted from my other distro.. onlt changes are ofcourse the btrfs subvolumes |
| 01:07.11 | invra | dmraid and mdam generate even a different UUID.. i notused |
| 01:07.14 | somiaj | that is probably the issue, are you sure this /etc/fstab you copied over is configured correctly for your system with its raid? |
| 01:07.32 | somiaj | because the -.mount unit is generated from your fstab file |
| 01:07.33 | invra | also even a different /dev name.. one is mapper the other is mdxxx |
| 01:07.56 | somiaj | and ona raid, /dev/sda5 seems strange, so maybe the uuid's are not set to the correct file system |
| 01:08.08 | somiaj | but I don't know raid enough, but I think the issue is with your fstab, so I would start there |
| 01:08.40 | invra | yes somiaj i am 100% positive the fstab is perfect... i have the same exact configuration on arch,gentoo |
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| 01:08.49 | invra | i can paste is you want to look |
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| 01:10.01 | invra | somiaj: should i leave that service unmasked now? |
| 01:10.07 | somiaj | fstab should not be the exact same as another system. |
| 01:10.27 | somiaj | well I guess it could, but the uuid of the file systems should differe from system to system. |
| 01:10.39 | invra | http://ix.io/2k6U |
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| 01:10.58 | invra | hmm why would it differ sorry i am getting lost there |
| 01:11.56 | somiaj | is this system a dual boot? Or a different system? |
| 01:12.06 | somiaj | UUID changes from file system to file system, and needs to match |
| 01:12.28 | invra | UUID remain the same unless you format or change the partitions or decide to change the uuid manually... but if that would be the case then all OS's would have the UUIDs changed |
| 01:12.48 | invra | at least that is my understanding on UUIDs |
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| 01:13.05 | somiaj | I think the issue is I don't know btrfs here as I don't use it. I didn't realize you could have multiple filesystems under the same btrfs volume |
| 01:13.14 | invra | its a 5 boot |
| 01:13.22 | somiaj | I would think that you would need a unique UUID for each root fs for each os you boot. |
| 01:13.29 | invra | no |
| 01:13.37 | invra | subvolumes are handled different |
| 01:13.38 | cyveris | No two filesystems on the same system should have the same UUID. |
| 01:14.31 | somiaj | yea, that is where I was confused, didn't realize that you were using the same main file system with subvolumes, it could be that systemd when dealing with these subvolumes isn't creating the mount units normally, so it creates -.mount to be the whole /dev/sda5 volume, then masks it because the actual root file system is a subvolume. |
| 01:14.42 | invra | somiaj: look at my /dev/sda5 (btrfs filesystem) with btrfs subvolumes. http://ix.io/2k6V |
| 01:15.00 | invra | every @xxx is a different subvolume within the same filesystem |
| 01:15.18 | somiaj | so when systemd creates a mount unit for UUID=.... which is /dev/sda5, it calls it -.mount, but this is not your root file system, so it masks it and then assigns another unit to the subvolume. |
| 01:15.36 | somiaj | you might want to look into how systemd works with btrfs, subvolumes, and generating the mount units. |
| 01:16.21 | invra | it super weird.. its the only distro causing this out of those you see ther in my last paste... i think the problem was generated with the installation of dmraid and mdraid |
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| 01:17.34 | somiaj | outside of this error, do thigns seem to be working fine? Maybe check to see if on the other systems that -.mount is a masked unit for your btrfs volume /dev/sda5, and the issue is whatever is trying to activiate that unit vs systemd's naming of it. |
| 01:18.08 | invra | somiaj: no other system has this :/ |
| 01:18.28 | invra | might be a bug with mdraid specific to this version? |
| 01:18.31 | somiaj | are you sure you just never noticed that unit, I dind't ralize -.mount was a unit until you got that error |
| 01:21.19 | invra | well no i am not 100% sure to be honest. ill investigate.. weird is that on the debian install i get that error only when i run apt update,upgrade... if the same error was happening on lubuntu i am pretty sure it would be spitting out the same error. only differenc eis that in ubuntu i never installed the two raid array "managers" at once... so i think the problem is that... systemd masking that service cause |
| 01:21.20 | invra | dmraid and mdadm are "overlapping tasks" is that even a thing?! not sure if you get the idea |
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| 01:22.37 | somiaj | it could be that you did something that confused your system to think that -.mount is your root fs, can you give an output of all your mount units |
| 01:23.09 | invra | sure, here you go http://ix.io/2k6Y |
| 01:23.46 | somiaj | invra: systemctl list-units --type=mount |
| 01:24.12 | invra | oh sorry, http://ix.io/2k70 |
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| 01:25.19 | somiaj | well it does look like the generated units are all masked, so the issue isn't that -.mount is your rootfs, or that it is masked, it is whatever is trying to do something to it over DBUS |
| 01:25.38 | somiaj | do you know what triggered this error, or does it occur every so often. |
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| 01:26.06 | somiaj | well in comparision none of mount units on my system are masked, I wonder what is masking them. |
| 01:26.48 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/533933/systemd-cant-unmask-root-mount-mount -- maybe that is the issue, this says (g)parted locks the units when running |
| 01:27.17 | somiaj | I also see suggestions there to try systemctl daemon-reload |
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| 01:28.01 | somiaj | invra: anyways, thanks for discussing this with me, I'm learning a bit, but not sure if I'm helping much. |
| 01:29.29 | invra | thank you |
| 01:29.42 | invra | ill see if people at #systemd have any idea on this. |
| 01:30.20 | somiaj | and rebooting didn't fix the problem? Anyways appears something on your system is masking all the units creatd from fstab, but I don't see why. |
| 01:30.38 | somiaj | but those units seem normal, as they exist on my system too (though the -.mount name confused me at fisrt) |
| 01:30.49 | invra | i didnt reboot yet |
| 01:30.58 | invra | well i rebooted earlier before we started the talk |
| 01:31.17 | somiaj | just one of the comments said a rebot fixed the issue for them. |
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| 01:33.12 | invra | ok so i think its time to cross fingers and see what a reboot can do xD |
| 01:33.34 | invra | ill be right back somiaj thanks again |
| 01:34.14 | dvs | maybe!!!! |
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| 01:35.31 | invra | here i am, have faith dvs |
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| 01:35.46 | dvs | rats! :-> |
| 01:36.43 | jim | where??! |
| 01:38.43 | invra | somiaj: cant reproduce the error anymore... i wonder what was all that about http://ix.io/2k75 |
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| 01:41.53 | somiaj | invra: seems something masked a lot of units, one user said gparted, maybe your raid commands masked the units for saftey but never unmasked them. |
| 01:42.27 | somiaj | so wonder if there is some systemd saftey when essing with mount units that mask them, and then in your case something happend and they stayed mask, where a reboot just fixed it |
| 01:42.27 | invra | remembers the good old sysvinit and runit |
| 01:43.03 | somiaj | I do to, I like systemd. Sometimes it does things in unstandard/strange ways that I don't know enough as to why, but overall I like systemd for service mangament than /etc/init.d/ scripts and run levels |
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| 01:44.41 | invra | i dont know,it is pretty good but i feel it is such a big project that it might need more time to mature. |
| 01:45.23 | somiaj | I think parts of it are mature, but more stuff keeps being added. Anyways, let me know if #systemd provides any insight as to why those .mount units were masked |
| 01:46.32 | invra | i will.. i pastebined the whole log to them. hopefully they know where to look at. i must go to bed now. apreciate your help |
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| 01:46.41 | invra | g'night |
| 01:46.46 | somiaj | glad it works, even if we don't know why |
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| 04:25.55 | saeia | Hi, I've attempted to google my problem, multiple times. But I believe my syntax could be incorrect, leading me away from the solution. I used smxi to install Opera, There is no line for it in my sources file, but when i attempt to use apt upgrade it always gives me a message about expecting an stretch deb but the line wherever it is, has been added for Sid. |
| 04:26.16 | saeia | I've managed to delete its key, but that did not remove the line. |
| 04:26.58 | saeia | I found a deb line in Synaptic, but not one in sources. |
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| 04:39.38 | somiaj | saeia: sometimes packages put files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which adds to your sources. |
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| 04:45.33 | saeia | somiaj, I've opened that file in nano using root. It appeared empty. |
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| 04:46.49 | somiaj | that is not a file, it is a directory |
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| 04:47.23 | somiaj | (well I guess a direcotry is a type of file, but it will contain multiple files, unsure if nano shows this) |
| 04:48.10 | somiaj | also, you should give us the command you typed and the full output at paste.debian.net |
| 04:48.55 | saeia | I've been running 2k12 R2 for a few years now. It finally got too full of cancer. I left debian around Jessie, I apologie, haha. |
| 04:50.01 | somiaj | so you aren't even running debian, then you are in the wrong splace |
| 04:50.04 | somiaj | !based on debian |
| 04:50.05 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 04:54.35 | saeia | Um, I'm not asking about another Linux distro. I'm asking about Debian Stretch. Windows Server 2012 isn't a linux distro and it doesn't have a source file. |
| 04:54.58 | saeia | I was able to resolve the issue. Thanks for the help Somiaj. |
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| 05:00.13 | somiaj | In the future please use the support community for your distro of choice. |
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| 05:07.16 | saeia | I am. Thanks. Running Debian stretch. Is there another channel specifically for OldStable Debian, or am I in the correct channel, Somiaj? |
| 05:09.39 | saeia | Because Windows Server doesn't have a sources.list.d. Wasn't asking about that. Just attempting to make small talk about my ignorance. |
| 05:12.56 | somiaj | oh I thought you said you left debian. Oldstable is supported here, though we often suggest desktop users upgrade to current stable, as old stable is loosing offical security support soon (though LTS will keep it going longer, though focus more on server side). Webbrowers end up loosing the support the fasest. |
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| 05:16.23 | saeia | I like living in 2018. Things seemed alot brighter back then. haha. |
| 05:16.47 | somiaj | !stretch |
| 05:16.47 | dpkg | Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>. |
| 05:17.06 | saeia | I was close! |
| 05:17.28 | saeia | !sarge |
| 05:17.28 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 05:17.32 | somiaj | Hmm, I'm surpsied that didn't give the approximate end of life, but debian LTS makes debian releases have about 5 years of support, but from the desktopsize, having a vulunable browser is the biggest drawback |
| 05:17.41 | somiaj | here is an example |
| 05:17.45 | somiaj | !wheezy |
| 05:17.45 | dpkg | Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. Consider upgrading. |
| 05:17.59 | saeia | !jessie |
| 05:18.00 | dpkg | Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie and ask me about <install jessie> <jessie release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Last point release was <8.11>. |
| 05:18.23 | somiaj | !jessie-lts |
| 05:18.23 | dpkg | Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information |
| 05:18.56 | somiaj | you can of curse run older releases, but in the world we live, security support is useful |
| 05:19.32 | saeia | Yep... Just compounds everyday. |
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| 05:23.42 | somiaj | my only suggestion if running stretch as a desktop, is probably get your browser from upstream, either google-chrome or download the current firefox and run it from $HOME |
| 05:24.10 | annadane | it's factoid spammin' hour! |
| 05:24.18 | somiaj | I think one of the two browsers has already lost support, maybe both. I'd have to dig through DSA's to make sure |
| 05:24.26 | somiaj | annadane: we want you to read all the back log, word for word. |
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| 05:29.08 | saeia | Yeah Chrome doesnt seem to work very well. I've been using firefox. I'm so happy to have flash again. Windows versions of Browsers dont run flash anymore. |
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| 05:31.00 | somiaj | flash is dead, get use to it. |
| 05:32.09 | warsoul | with chrome my pc sometimes freezes |
| 05:32.13 | warsoul | dont know why :s |
| 05:33.39 | diogenes_ | warsoul, how much RAM? |
| 05:34.04 | warsoul | 32gb |
| 05:34.58 | warsoul | brand new pc |
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| 05:37.50 | diogenes_ | warsoul, and CPU? |
| 05:38.01 | somiaj | warsoul: does just xorg freeze, or the whole system (if you ahve a second system, try to ping/ssh into it after a freeze) |
| 05:38.17 | warsoul | it freeze |
| 05:38.21 | warsoul | and restart by itself |
| 05:38.30 | warsoul | this is my system |
| 05:38.56 | warsoul | CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz (800MHz) |
| 05:39.16 | somiaj | gpu? |
| 05:39.43 | somiaj | as a newer machine, have you tried both kernel and firmware from backports? |
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| 05:40.00 | warsoul | msi 8gb |
| 05:40.23 | somiaj | msi? Is this nvidia? amd? |
| 05:40.30 | warsoul | i tried once the new kernel but didnt boot |
| 05:40.34 | warsoul | nvidia |
| 05:40.42 | somiaj | using non-free driver or nouveau? |
| 05:40.55 | warsoul | dont remember |
| 05:41.00 | warsoul | how can i check that |
| 05:41.12 | somiaj | lsmod should either list nouveau or nvidia drivers being loaded |
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| 05:41.52 | warsoul | nvidia |
| 05:42.31 | somiaj | the issue with the newer kernel was probably making sure the nivida driver built for it, but your hardware sounds fairly new, the kernel and nvidia driver from backports may help |
| 05:42.34 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:42.35 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 390.132-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; buster-proposed-updates/non-free: 418.113-1; buster-backports/non-free: 440.82-1~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 440.82-1; sid/non-free: 440.82-1 |
| 05:43.03 | warsoul | what i need to do? |
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| 05:43.34 | warsoul | somiaj, yes they are couple of months old |
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| 05:43.47 | saeia | running bleeding edge hardware and debian might cause a snafu... |
| 05:43.48 | somiaj | you to install the linux kernel, headers, and nvidia driver from buster-backports |
| 05:43.51 | warsoul | basically new |
| 05:44.34 | warsoul | somiaj dont know to do that |
| 05:44.39 | warsoul | :s |
| 05:44.53 | somiaj | !buster-backports |
| 05:44.54 | dpkg | Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>. |
| 05:45.37 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:45.37 | saeia | !bdo |
| 05:45.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 05:46.07 | somiaj | bascailly follow the instructions at that link, then apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver |
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| 05:48.11 | saeia | im gonna take a blind guess at that link. Adding Deb and Deb-src lines for buster-backport? |
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| 05:48.58 | warsoul | deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main contrib non-free |
| 05:49.14 | saeia | yay |
| 05:49.28 | warsoul | i had it in my sources.list |
| 05:50.27 | saeia | you need a special syntax for apt to install backports. Should be on that link. |
| 05:50.52 | warsoul | saeia ? |
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| 05:51.02 | somiaj | which was in the command I stated |
| 05:51.12 | saeia | apt -t buster-backports like somiaj |
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| 05:51.44 | warsoul | somiaj everything together? |
| 05:52.28 | somiaj | that should install the packages you need, the kernel, headers, and nvidia driver |
| 05:52.41 | warsoul | apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver |
| 05:53.22 | warsoul | like that? |
| 05:53.29 | warsoul | or |
| 05:53.35 | warsoul | apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 05:53.48 | warsoul | apt -t buster-backports install linux-headers-amd64 |
| 05:53.48 | somiaj | put all three on the same line, what I wrote should be fine |
| 05:53.48 | saeia | do it all at once with sudo. |
| 05:53.55 | warsoul | ok |
| 05:54.26 | saeia | good luck. I hope its safer then it was in the past. |
| 05:55.04 | saeia | but, I'm definitely the cause of every one of my Debian's breaking haha. |
| 05:55.29 | warsoul | Run "nvidia-installer --uninstall"? |
| 05:55.54 | somiaj | umm, you shoudln't be using the upstream binary from nvidia to install the driver, that could explain some problems you are having |
| 05:56.26 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1143873/ |
| 05:56.44 | warsoul | hit yes or no |
| 05:57.06 | somiaj | yea hit yes, it seems you installed the driver from nvidia.com, which is a good way to mess up a debian system |
| 05:57.15 | somiaj | so let it clean that up for you |
| 05:57.27 | somiaj | (will also explain why when you tried a newer kernel you had problems) |
| 05:57.46 | saeia | somiaj would smxi be a bad suggestion here? It's how i managed to do it. |
| 05:58.29 | warsoul | Progress: [ 3%] [#.........................................................] |
| 05:58.35 | warsoul | freeze here |
| 05:58.45 | warsoul | the terminal |
| 05:58.58 | somiaj | saeia: I dno't konw what smxi is |
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| 06:12.03 | somiaj | warsoul: https://itsfoss.com/could-not-get-lock-error/ -- scroll down to method 2, follow the instructions, where you end with dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:15.23 | warsoul | https://paste.debian.net/1143875/ |
| 06:16.11 | f-a | thanks somiaj |
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| 06:18.57 | warsoul | somiaj im stock there |
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| 06:23.23 | warsoul | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1143875/ |
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| 06:46.06 | saeia | Warsoul, Ill look at it. |
| 06:46.23 | warsoul | ok |
| 06:48.41 | saeia | did you ever run nvidia-xconfig? |
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| 08:15.20 | ksk | daniel-s: sounds a little insane to default to the package maintainers version :P |
| 08:16.24 | ksk | daniel-s: it seems force-confnew ist what you are looking for? |
| 08:17.00 | ksk | from man dpkg: confask: If a conffile has been modified always offer to replace it with the version in the package, even if the version in the package did not change (since dpkg 1.15.8). If any of |
| 08:17.04 | ksk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.24 | ksk | best look up the three and their differences :) |
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| 08:50.35 | sandman13 | Hi, what does --auto-deconfigure do with dpkg? I read the manual page but couldn't understand it fully |
| 08:51.23 | sandman13 | does it remove the configuration? |
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| 08:54.27 | themill | sandman13: no, this is about the status of packages, not configuration files. Packages are not merely "installed" or "not installed", there 8 states that the package can be in depending on what is being done to it. See "Package States" towards the top of dpkg(1). |
| 08:55.46 | themill | --auto-deconfigure means that dpkg will move reverse-deps from "installed" back to "half-configured" during the removal. It can then reconfigure them later. "configured" means running the maintainer scripts with the relevant action. |
| 08:56.32 | themill | this is only really used by apt to be able to remove packages and then install new packages and have dpkg appropriately deal with the status of dependencies |
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| 08:57.33 | themill | See https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-flowcharts.html for the states and how things move between them |
| 08:57.34 | sandman13 | Ah. |
| 08:58.25 | themill | Removing config files is called "purge" in the dpkg/apt world |
| 08:59.06 | sandman13 | This issue was encountered with a Ubuntu package but since it was reported by dpkg, I asked here |
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| 09:01.20 | sandman13 | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/61cb4cfd/ and I was curious what the flag did |
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| 09:30.56 | ksk | !ubuntu |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 09:31.27 | ksk | (if you are running debian, you should never install ubuntu packages) |
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| 10:36.24 | TyZef | hi guys, how are you? it's 5days now, from a netinstall without gui, only OpenBox, i am not able to bring up my wifi interface. i prefer to use wpasupplicant. |
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| 10:57.16 | cast4dx | https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin following this guide the autologin isn't being activated on debian buster running inside a KVM VM, i tried various solutions from google like adding a user to autologin group or tuning more lightdm options and none work, where should i look futher? |
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| 12:38.51 | joaquimBg | I apologize for raising such a sensitive issue. my nephew had his android invaded by anonymous threat messages after protesting offensively against the american government, showing that android has backdoors, what about debian? |
| 12:41.44 | annadane | none that we know of |
| 12:41.56 | Ede|Popede | joaquimBg: hard to keep up backdoors in fully openscourced software |
| 12:42.02 | annadane | also, that |
| 12:42.17 | annadane | possible in principle, just less likely |
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| 12:43.01 | Ede|Popede | and there would be an ongoiing shitstorm not finishing before the responsibles would have left the planet for mars or so |
| 12:43.31 | Ede|Popede | obfuscated code, yes. but then someone would notice even this. |
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| 12:46.15 | pileofstraw | Is having contrib non-free in sources not enough to automatically grab firmware-misc-nonfree during apt upgrade? |
| 12:46.21 | pileofstraw | It has to be installed explicitly? |
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| 12:47.09 | dvs | pileofstraw, it has to be installed once |
| 12:48.59 | pileofstraw | I am in a machine right now, one of many, where I dist-upgraded from Stretch to Buster, and I can confirm apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade have no jobs to do |
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| 12:49.11 | pileofstraw | and apt-cache policy firmware-misc-nonfree says it is not installed |
| 12:49.35 | pileofstraw | sources file: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 12:49.58 | pileofstraw | I can't understand why its missing |
| 12:50.00 | annadane | a package has to be installed or be a new dependency of an existing installed package, it won't just install itself |
| 12:50.40 | dvs | also... |
| 12:50.41 | pileofstraw | Ah so even using non-free sources there's nothing in debian that would necessarily depend on this firmware pack and so it just wouldn't show up. |
| 12:50.43 | dvs | !ftp.debian.org |
| 12:50.43 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 12:51.07 | pileofstraw | thank you for the clarification |
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| 13:01.09 | annadane | dpkg, minimize thunderbird is <reply> If you can't minimize Thunderbird to the tray, try the kdocker package |
| 13:01.10 | dpkg | okay, annadane |
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| 13:40.46 | f8e4 | which path to use for unit files? system uses /lib/systemd/system |
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| 13:47.14 | cyveris | I tend to drop my unit files in /etc/systemd/system, so as not to commingle them with the system's units. |
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| 13:48.30 | zazagx | I installed a gpg key with an error with whonix, how do i find it in my sources of apt-key list - not sure which key to delete |
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| 14:21.40 | BalooRJ | Anyone had any luck running the Plexamp AppImage in Debian 10 Buster? I keep getting this error when I run it, for disclosure I have checked the file itself to run as an executable. "[13499:0430/101838.641913:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_PlexamdmSbkr/chrome-sandbox |
| 14:21.40 | BalooRJ | is owned by root and has mode 4755. |
| 14:21.40 | BalooRJ | Trace/breakpoint trap" |
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| 14:22.09 | zazagx | i think i messaged up my gpg sources.list...how do i reset it all over again? |
| 14:22.20 | zazagx | messed* |
| 14:22.28 | greycat | !buster sources.list |
| 14:22.28 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 14:24.02 | BalooRJ | zazagx - There's a good GUI program that can edit/fix source.list called software-properties-gtk |
| 14:24.28 | greycat | there's another one called nano |
| 14:24.45 | zazagx | yeah i am using nano |
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| 14:27.48 | zazagx | ah |
| 14:28.04 | zazagx | Err:6 https://deb.whonix.org buster InRelease The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CB8D50BB77BB3C48 |
| 14:28.25 | greycat | !whonix |
| 14:28.25 | dpkg | Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:28.30 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 14:28.31 | zazagx | i can't remove this. even with apt-key del last-8-keys |
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| 14:30.52 | zazagx | nevermind, it was in the nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 14:33.33 | zazagx | yay its fixed |
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| 14:58.05 | f8e4 | cyveris great pick, me too now |
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| 15:08.56 | f8e4 | but every file is a symlink to some /lib/*, should i place the unit file directly into /etc/systemd/system/myfile.service ? |
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| 15:10.27 | f8e4 | doc says: /etc/systemd/system System units created by the administrator |
| 15:10.32 | f8e4 | but ALL are symlinks |
| 15:11.10 | lupulo | f8e4, there are a priority reading the directories, you could read man systemd-system.conf |
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| 15:12.34 | jmcnaught | that man page explains where systemd conf files go, "man systemd.unit" discusses where to put unit files. |
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| 15:13.43 | greycat | f8e4: if all of the things in /etc/systemd/system/ are symlinks, then you (the administrator) have not created any local unit files on this system |
| 15:14.39 | greycat | that directory is used for both your local unit files (of which you apparently have none), *and* the symlinks that constitute local configuration (masking, etc.) of the standard units |
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| 15:30.09 | f8e4 | greycat yes thank you. it is my first unit file. |
| 15:35.00 | f8e4 | greycat why i wonder: unit files in the path cant be disabled: Warning: Can't execute disable on the unit file path. Proceeding with the unit name. |
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| 15:35.30 | greycat | The syntax is "systemctl disable unitname" |
| 15:35.35 | greycat | I have no idea what you typed. |
| 15:36.06 | han-solo | there's mask... |
| 15:36.20 | f8e4 | got it. i typed the full path. its fine now. |
| 15:36.24 | greycat | "mask" is best used sparingly |
| 15:36.51 | han-solo | disable is used to not run it an boot. Just so, if it wasn't clear |
| 15:37.02 | han-solo | greycat: Yeah |
| 15:37.10 | han-solo | to f8e4 |
| 15:37.28 | f8e4 | sudo cd/mv not found why? sudo bash -c'mv' is ugh |
| 15:37.55 | greycat | cd is a shell builtin. you can't execute a shell builtin as an execve() program. |
| 15:38.23 | greycat | if you want a temporary root-shell in which you can cd around and have working tab completion and so on, use sudo -s, or sudo -i |
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| 15:39.07 | greycat | mv *is* a program, and you can "sudo mv" just fine. |
| 15:39.45 | f8e4 | greycat aye, thank you. |
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| 15:56.27 | simplicius | hello |
| 15:56.55 | simplicius | do you know where can I find gtk debugging symbols? |
| 15:57.03 | simplicius | which package |
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| 15:57.29 | sney | !dbgsym |
| 15:57.29 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 15:58.41 | simplicius | I don't find one specific for gtk |
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| 16:06.53 | simplicius | in practice I need Valgrind suppression files |
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| 16:07.55 | sney | find the package that contains the binary you want to debug, and it will be packagename-dbgsym in the repo dpkg mentioned above |
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| 17:11.35 | cast4dx | i followed this guide to enable autologin on lightdm/xfce https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin on debiain 10 (on a kvm vm), but it doesn't work, tried also some random solutions from google but didnt' help, where should i be looking at? |
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| 17:20.26 | gvth | Hi; I have to install Debian on an old netbook with a "VIA C7-M Processor 1000Mhz" but cannot find out whether it takes 32- or 64-bit instructions. Any idea? |
| 17:20.27 | diogenes_ | cast4dx, cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | grep autologin-user= |
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| 17:20.46 | diogenes_ | what are you getting? |
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| 17:23.14 | cast4dx | diogenes_, i said already that I followed this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM#Enable_autologin |
| 17:23.35 | cast4dx | diogenes_, when i execute your command I get the uncommented autologin-user=myuser line as expected |
| 17:24.21 | diogenes_ | cast4dx, well you think i have the time to read all the things you read? |
| 17:24.25 | somiaj | gvth: wiki says that processor is about 2005. I'd say go with 32bit, but I am not familar with that processor so don't know for sure. |
| 17:24.45 | cast4dx | diogenes_, yes otherwise you shouldn't be helping, because your help is useless in that case |
| 17:25.13 | somiaj | cast4dx: diogenes_: asked for exact output to check something, you should run the command and provide the output. |
| 17:25.28 | cast4dx | somiaj, i did |
| 17:25.32 | cast4dx | it's autologin-user=myuser |
| 17:25.47 | cast4dx | uncommented line |
| 17:25.55 | diogenes_ | cast4dx, in this case you're wrong because i'm giving you the solution which 100% works if you didn't mess up your cofings. |
| 17:26.04 | gvth | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:26.47 | cast4dx | you must be thinking that everyone here who asks a question is a complete newbie and don't know how to find a string inside a file |
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| 17:27.13 | cast4dx | especially when i had modified that string by uncommenting it before as per official docs |
| 17:27.52 | cast4dx | i was expecting to someone indicating me what logs to check , because re-checking the config i made is pointless |
| 17:28.13 | somiaj | gvth: in gneral most 64bit also supported 32bit, so 32bit is just the safest for that age. |
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| 17:29.06 | somiaj | cast4dx: I missed you said that. |
| 17:29.20 | JustTheDoctor | right now when i run * */2 * * * /bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh > /var/log/cron-pandacoin it replaces the file each time, if i add another > so its like * */2 * * * /bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh >> /var/log/cron-pandacoin will it keep the previous contenet and write new? |
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| 17:29.41 | somiaj | cast4dx: in general it is useful for us to double check things as we don't know what a user has done, but I'm unsure what log lightdm would use, you have tried using journalctl on the lightdm service? |
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| 17:29.58 | greycat | JustTheDoctor: >> means append, yes |
| 17:30.17 | somiaj | cast4dx: you can sometimes get info by just doing 'systemctl status lightdm' and see what sort of messages the display manager has spit out and systemd has logged. |
| 17:30.28 | cast4dx | somiaj, well i've checked syslog and /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log but haven't found anything that could indicate a problem |
| 17:30.32 | JustTheDoctor | greycat thank you |
| 17:32.18 | cast4dx | somiaj, actually checking systemctl status gave some progress now, thank you. I see the errors (that havent appeared in the above mentioned log files) |
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| 17:33.01 | simplicius | how do I add the source repository for the -dbgsym packages? |
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| 17:33.42 | somiaj | cast4dx: journalctl can also give you info, with systemd, systemd logs the stdout and stderr of the process, and journalctl (systemctl status) give you ways to get this info quickly (I really need to learn journalctl better myself) |
| 17:34.34 | cast4dx | yeah it was giving errors related to PAM that's why it didn't appear in the lightdm logs probably |
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| 17:39.48 | ratrace | gvth: dmidecode -t 4 and then under Characteristics: you'd see "64-bit capable" if it were |
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| 17:41.28 | gvth | ratrace: my main laptop has a 64bit CPU but it says: "Characteristics: None". |
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| 17:42.44 | gvth | ratrace: (in the last line of output) |
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| 17:44.08 | cast4dx | ah well that error related to PAM was me entering an invalid password once before i logged in, so i guess the problem can't be diagnosed easily |
| 17:44.55 | cast4dx | escpeially when the same config works on an os on a bare metal hw |
| 17:46.25 | cast4dx | i guess the only way would be trying some other alternative to lightdm, since i am trying to resolve this a week already without success |
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| 17:48.23 | ratrace | gvth: are you sure then, it's 64-bit capable? doesn't seem so |
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| 17:49.02 | gvth | ratrace: yes, it's a first generation Core i5 CPU with Debian AMD64 installed on it |
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| 17:49.18 | somiaj | cast4dx: do you see the errors appearing in /var/log/auth.log, since you wanted auto login, checking authentication seems natrual. |
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| 17:49.35 | somiaj | cast4dx: though iw ould just get use to using sytemd/journald better to debug things, it really is quite powerful once you get use to it. |
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| 17:51.19 | ratrace | gvth: wikipedia disagrees |
| 17:51.40 | ratrace | also, VIA != Core i5 .... are we now talking about something else? |
| 17:52.19 | somiaj | they were saying how their current amd64 install, the dmidecode line didn't state 65-bit under characteristicts. Maybe older chips dont' fully report that in the dmidecode? |
| 17:52.30 | gvth | ratrace: My main laptop has a first generation Core i5 and another one I am setting up for my mother as a typing machine has a VIA CPU |
| 17:52.35 | somiaj | so this wasn't about the processor they wanted to install on, but the one they are currently running. |
| 17:53.09 | ratrace | I see... well, I suppose it's possible a buggy or older bios would misreport for dmidecode |
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| 17:55.39 | cast4dx | hmm paste.debian.net tells me to 'not spam' so i wasn't able to paste there; repasted logs here http://oshi.at/hbVawY/auth.log http://oshi.at/jhYWrk/lightdm.log |
| 17:55.57 | ratrace | the debian paste bin is broken |
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| 17:58.34 | DammitJim | so, here is something I've never thought about... my workstation has 2 dns servers |
| 17:58.53 | DammitJim | why do we put 2 dns servers if when the first one fails, it doesn't automatically use the second one? |
| 17:59.19 | greycat | If you mean "two nameserver lines in resolv.conf", it uses both. |
| 17:59.30 | greycat | What are you actually asking? |
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| 17:59.37 | DammitJim | I'm not seeing that behavior on my servers, though |
| 17:59.37 | simplicius | where do I find this libgtk-3-0-dbgsym ? |
| 17:59.47 | DammitJim | so, we were doing maintenance on the primary DNS |
| 18:00.28 | DammitJim | and then had to shut it down.. for the period of time it was down, the applications trying to make web requests to other servers in my network kept printing host not found |
| 18:00.54 | greycat | sounds like your "secondary" was not working, and you didn't know it, because the "primary" had been so reliable |
| 18:00.56 | DammitJim | I wonder if I have something configured wrong |
| 18:01.12 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 18:01.20 | DammitJim | I guess I"m going to have to create my own lab to test it again |
| 18:01.48 | greycat | dig @ip.of.secondary.server A www.whatever |
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| 18:02.06 | greycat | or ask #dns for more tools (there are many) |
| 18:02.14 | DammitJim | I wasn't using dig, but nslookup |
| 18:02.21 | DammitJim | and nslookup kept using the primary |
| 18:02.21 | greycat | .... O_O |
| 18:02.25 | greycat | jesus fuck |
| 18:02.26 | DammitJim | oh ok, I'm going there |
| 18:02.27 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 18:02.39 | DammitJim | greycat, is nslookup not a good idea? |
| 18:02.54 | greycat | nslookup was deprecated about 20 years ago... it's a laughing stock... |
| 18:03.03 | DammitJim | oh man!!!! |
| 18:03.11 | DammitJim | I'm going to dig from now on, then |
| 18:03.25 | ratrace | or drill if you prefer unbound and its tools |
| 18:03.40 | greycat | I use "host" for quickies, and "dig" for most real digging, unless I use "dnsqr" or something, but that's not a common tool. |
| 18:04.00 | ratrace | dig is pretty much the swiss knife of dns analytics |
| 18:04.10 | ratrace | ya dig? |
| 18:04.11 | DammitJim | dig sounds reasonable (I've used that but haven't shaken off nslookup) |
| 18:05.51 | tyzef | hi guys! how are you? how can I know if my wifi card is properly recognized, drivers properly installed, and working properly? any idea? any tutorial? thank you ! |
| 18:07.28 | tyzef | trek00, greycat, my problem of last day is that my wifi never come UP... I guess thats why I could congratulate in https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 18:07.53 | tyzef | s>could>couldn't |
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| 18:08.54 | simplicius | I need to add this repo http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug.. |
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| 18:09.45 | simplicius | I'm not sure how to do it |
| 18:11.01 | somiaj | !dbsym |
| 18:11.06 | dvs | tyzef, try "iwlist wlan0 scan" to see if it can see any WiFi networks. Replace "wlan0" with whatever you WiFi device name is. |
| 18:11.17 | sney | hands somiaj a g |
| 18:11.21 | somiaj | !dbgsym |
| 18:11.21 | dpkg | Packages that end in '*-dbgsym' contain the symbols required for debugging executables and libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list. See also https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 18:11.47 | somiaj | Have they fixed the issue where security patches don't have -dbgsym packages yet? |
| 18:12.09 | somiaj | simplicius: also read the info from the bot, dpkg. |
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| 18:12.30 | simplicius | somiaj: I think I need to add a repo to download the debug package for glib |
| 18:12.53 | sney | simplicius: it says add a line like "deb http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main" to your sources.list |
| 18:12.56 | greycat | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/nslookup.html |
| 18:13.07 | sney | do you need help understanding that instruction? |
| 18:13.35 | simplicius | how do I do that? |
| 18:13.48 | tyzef | dvs Thanks! result: wlp2s0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 18:13.50 | sney | sources.list is a text file |
| 18:14.18 | simplicius | ok I use vi |
| 18:15.21 | greycat | dpkg, literal but nslookup |
| 18:15.21 | dpkg | "but nslookup" is "deprecated" |
| 18:15.26 | greycat | dpkg, but nslookup |
| 18:15.27 | dpkg | greycat: are you using Windows? |
| 18:15.35 | greycat | ...? silly bot. |
| 18:15.36 | ratrace | HAR HAR HAR |
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| 18:15.52 | ratrace | some sassy bot there |
| 18:15.53 | sney | you don't know how often I yell at that bot, but I do it in a query |
| 18:15.57 | simplicius | I get W10: Warning: Changing a readonly file |
| 18:16.17 | sney | simplicius: yes... like any system administration task, you need to use sudo or be root |
| 18:16.18 | greycat | I guess "but" is some sort of bot keyword, which prevents it from doing the factoid lookup. |
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| 18:16.43 | greycat | Also "nslookup" is a bot keyword, so we can't have an nslookup factoid, or a factoid that *begins* with nslookup. Except there is one. You just can't read it. |
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| 18:17.12 | greycat | dpkg, literal nslookup localhost |
| 18:17.12 | dpkg | "nslookup localhost" is "<reply> localhost is http://www.porn.org" |
| 18:17.16 | joepublic | so, nslookup seems to still be in use, at least amongst irc bots |
| 18:17.35 | greycat | The IRC bot version causes almost as many problems as the BIND version. |
| 18:17.57 | greycat | hmm, let's see if we can... |
| 18:18.22 | greycat | dpkg, don't use nslookup is <reply>The nslookup command is deprecated, and has many known bugs and problems. See <http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/nslookup.html>. Use "host", "dig" or other tools instead. |
| 18:18.22 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 18:19.43 | greycat | dpkg, forget but nslookup |
| 18:19.50 | greycat | 14:19 =dpkg> cannot remove factoid 'but nslookup', too old. |
| 18:20.00 | simplicius | E: Unable to locate package libgtk-3-0-dbgsym |
| 18:20.15 | ham5urg | I'm beginning with an fresh standard installation and now I replaced exim4 with msmtp-mta. AFAIK any 'user' who wants to send an email, needs ~/.msmtprc. That is Ok for user root and any process which runs under root. But what about cron, it runs under user message+. Do I need to create for any 'user' an extra email-home-dir? How is it handled with exim4 in the standard-inst.? |
| 18:20.16 | joepublic | simplicius, did you `apt update` first |
| 18:20.17 | greycat | dpkg, forget nslookup localhost |
| 18:20.20 | greycat | (same) |
| 18:20.43 | sney | simplicius: did you run apt update? |
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| 18:22.39 | tyzef | by the way, my wifi card is a Qualcomm Atheros AR9285... issues are there on the web, I am looking at |
| 18:24.13 | sney | that's ath9k, it doesn't need firmware and usually works very well, though it's 802.11n only |
| 18:24.41 | dvs | It's a PCIe card |
| 18:24.42 | somiaj | tyzef: do you have firmware-atheros installed from non-free, some atheros cards need firmware. |
| 18:24.52 | sney | !ath9k |
| 18:24.52 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>. |
| 18:25.18 | somiaj | oh nevermind, this one actually does not need additional firmware. |
| 18:25.29 | tyzef | well thanks |
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| 18:28.10 | tyzef | should I do this??? https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/how-to-fix-atheros-ar9285-ar9287-wireless-problems-in-ubuntu-1104/ |
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| 18:29.31 | somiaj | tyzef: it is worth a try, easy enough to revert if it dosen't help. |
| 18:30.12 | tyzef | ok, thanks |
| 18:30.28 | somiaj | tyzef: I don't like how they don't give a better description of what errors they encounterd for this fix, but I see no harm in trying it nut |
| 18:30.31 | somiaj | out |
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| 18:55.07 | Kurogane | Hello, anyone can help me with this? https://bpaste.net/74KA buster |
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| 18:57.35 | somiaj | Kurogane: what is the output of apt policy? |
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| 18:58.19 | Kurogane | somiaj, Sorry what? |
| 18:58.39 | somiaj | Kurogane: I want the output of 'apt policy' for your system. |
| 18:58.43 | greycat | you run the command, and then you paste the output on a web page |
| 18:58.56 | greycat | and then you paste the URL of the web page here |
| 19:01.01 | Kurogane | somiaj, https://bpaste.net/raw/RAYA |
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| 19:01.55 | oxek | I spotted this is available: linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64/stable 4.19.98-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.19.98-1] |
| 19:02.05 | oxek | but when I do `apt changelog linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64` I get an error |
| 19:02.15 | oxek | how can I find out the changes in that package? |
| 19:02.27 | somiaj | Kurogane: okay now I need 'apt policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ...' where pkg1, pkg2, pkg3, ... are the names of every package listed in the orriginal output you shared. |
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| 19:03.32 | somiaj | Kurogane: oh wait, did you give me the full output of apt policy, it looks like it got cut off, the last line should not be origin deb. |
| 19:04.30 | Kurogane | somiaj, huh? what line |
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| 19:05.07 | somiaj | the last line looks cut off, which makes me think you have more lines that got cut off to, either way, if it was only the last line, I still need the output requested above |
| 19:05.08 | Kurogane | somiaj, https://bpaste.net/raw/5XBA |
| 19:05.42 | somiaj | that is not 'every package listed in the original output you shared' that is only 2 of them. |
| 19:06.20 | Kurogane | somiaj, yes i no take "last line" https://bpaste.net/raw/2DTA |
| 19:07.21 | Kurogane | somiaj, you mean all? damn |
| 19:07.51 | sney | oxek: apt update and try again. tracker.debian.org has changelogs too. |
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| 19:11.02 | oxek | sney: apt update did not resolve the issue, but I found what I was looking for at tracker.debian.org. Thank you! |
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| 19:11.51 | somiaj | Kurogane: you have some package installed that is causing a conflict, I need to get info to try to determine what one it is. |
| 19:12.15 | Kurogane | somiaj, https://bpaste.net/raw/R7JA |
| 19:12.19 | somiaj | Kurogane: this is most likely to some third party package being installed from outside the debian repos. Since it appears your sources seem fine, this could take a bit to track down. |
| 19:12.59 | cybercrypto | Hi there, is there any software/tool to probe/scan my current RAM DIMM slots and tell me the installed memory frequency in Mhz? |
| 19:13.06 | sney | Kurogane: you could install aptitude and try 'aptitude why-not perl' |
| 19:13.21 | somiaj | Kurogane: that last line being only deb. (and not deb.debian.org) is strange, I wonder what is going on with your system. |
| 19:14.23 | sney | cybercrypto: dmidecode has a lot of that information |
| 19:14.27 | somiaj | anyways, all packages in debian buster should be installable, but so far I'm not seeing anything that points to what the issue could be, except that strange 'deb.' output, which I'm unsrue why it is there. |
| 19:14.47 | somiaj | cybercrypto: lshw is also a all in one tool that tells you a lot about all hardware on your system. |
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| 19:15.44 | somiaj | Kurogane: if you are installing aptitude for sney, you may want to see if aptitude can install the packge for you, sometimes its logic can resolve things apt can't. But so far I am not seeing anything that points to the conflict, you may have to start diging into this until you find the exact package on your system causing the conflict. |
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| 19:15.58 | cybercrypto | somiaj: I tried hwinfo and could not find frequency. Let me try the ones you hae suggested and see. |
| 19:16.47 | somiaj | cybercrypto: I see clock info in my lshw output on my system. |
| 19:18.02 | somiaj | Kurogane: also I think sney is onto something, perl might be the package having trouble, Im' personally surprised it isn't already installed. |
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| 19:18.29 | Kurogane | i can't |
| 19:18.30 | somiaj | It is a standard package, so it is stange to me it wasn't installed (overlooked this at the start) |
| 19:18.43 | sponix2ipfw | cybercrypto: https://www.linuxlinks.com/systemprofilers/ -- out of these I-Nex seems promising as a CPU-Z alternative |
| 19:18.47 | somiaj | Kurogane: well how about the output of 'apt install perl', lets see why perl is having trouble. |
| 19:19.22 | sponix2ipfw | https://www.ghacks.net/2017/07/23/a-look-at-i-nex-a-cpu-z-like-application-for-gnulinux/ |
| 19:19.26 | Kurogane | somiaj, https://bpaste.net/raw/WHRQ |
| 19:20.17 | sney | smells a frankendebian |
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| 19:20.34 | invra | what is frankendebian |
| 19:20.35 | sney | Kurogane: what is this system? is it a vps? |
| 19:20.44 | Kurogane | no |
| 19:20.44 | somiaj | Kurogane: this install was originally a debian system? HOw did you install it. |
| 19:20.50 | sney | !tell invra -about frankendebian |
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| 19:21.09 | sponix2ipfw | !frankendebian |
| 19:21.10 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 19:21.27 | sney | !msg the bot |
| 19:21.27 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . Also ask me about <judd>, which is another bot and window into the Ultimate Debian Database. |
| 19:21.35 | somiaj | Kurogane: anyways, this is indeed strange, the fact you cannot install perl (and it wasn't installed already), is something that shouldn't be happening, but it look slike we have to dig down a rabbit hole to figure it out. |
| 19:22.02 | invra | interesting ty |
| 19:22.09 | sponix2ipfw | sney: oh.. I see what you did there :) |
| 19:22.45 | Kurogane | normal install via usb |
| 19:22.53 | somiaj | Kurogane: okay, 'apt policy init-system-helpers adduser perl-base' what is that output? |
| 19:23.59 | Kurogane | https://bpaste.net/raw/26GQ |
| 19:24.06 | diogenes_ | maybe he added some repos? |
| 19:24.34 | somiaj | diogenes_: they are not currently present, so they would have removed them. |
| 19:24.34 | cybercrypto | somiaj: the output looks good, i will investigate better. Thanks for now! cya. |
| 19:25.07 | somiaj | ,v perl-base |
| 19:25.08 | judd | Package: perl-base on amd64 -- jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u11; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u12; stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u5; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u6; buster: 5.28.1-6; bullseye: 5.30.0-10; sid: 5.30.0-10; experimental: 5.30.1~rc1-1 |
| 19:25.32 | somiaj | Kurogane: okay, why do you have perl-base from testing installed, did you add and then remove testing repos from your system? |
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| 19:26.21 | somiaj | but this does look like a frankendebian problem, you have mixed packages from stable and testing, and have found yourself in a broken state. I personally suggest reinstalling testing at this point, and not mixing things in the future. |
| 19:26.37 | somiaj | arg reinstalling stable at this point... |
| 19:27.40 | somiaj | You might be able to manually downgrade perl-base and any other package from testing you have hiding no your sustem and be able to recover it, but our policy is basically we can't and don't support mixing like you have done. |
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| 19:27.48 | somiaj | !downgrade |
| 19:27.48 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:29.44 | Kurogane | somiaj, Not i remember, i think few weeks ago i install network drive for sid but only for that. |
| 19:30.28 | somiaj | this is why we tell people to never mix repos, you think you are just installing one package, but you aren't and this one package has basically put your system in a broken state |
| 19:30.36 | somiaj | YOu should have installed the kernel + firmware from backports. |
| 19:32.29 | somiaj | (well the depends of that one package, it upgrded perl-base and removed perl, and is the cause of all of these problems. A reinstall is the safest way to ensure you dont' have any other issues from this, though someone could track down and try to manually fix this) |
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| 19:34.11 | Kurogane | not is possible to remove perl-base and install again? |
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| 19:35.04 | somiaj | Kurogane: the bot dpkg gave info on how to try to manually downgrade stuff. But you could have other problems hiding, my advise is reinstall and don't mix in the future. As you may run into other hidden problems in the future if you don't |
| 19:35.22 | jmcnaught | perl-base is priority required and also marked as essential, so apt probably won't let you remove it. |
| 19:36.26 | sponix2ipfw | jmcnaught: yeah, even trying is likely to want to take a lot of stuff with it on the way out |
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| 19:37.06 | miskatonic | it can still be dpkg force deinstalled to wreak disaster |
| 19:37.37 | somiaj | Luckly the bot's method didn't reinstall but downgrade, which could leave artifacts, and wont' be supported |
| 19:37.53 | Kurogane | well i try anyways, where i can find binary? |
| 19:38.11 | somiaj | Kurogane: did you read what the bot said? Anyways, this is not supported, you are on your own. |
| 19:38.23 | somiaj | !tell Kurogane about downgrade |
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| 19:43.30 | Kurogane | somiaj, yes but i need to know here i can download .deb, but anyway i find it installed seems now is with buster perl-base another problem come then i did "apt --fix-broken install" now i'm able to install again. |
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| 19:44.42 | Kurogane | Not sure if other package come in future, but better now i think i going to reinstall system but i going to backup first because i can't do right now. |
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| 19:48.51 | somiaj | Kurogane: the bots instructions never require you download the .deb |
| 19:49.05 | somiaj | that is one option, but not the one I would suggest |
| 19:49.10 | somiaj | just use apt/aptitude |
| 19:49.29 | Kurogane | Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" |
| 19:49.37 | somiaj | Kurogane: okay keep reading |
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| 19:53.00 | Kurogane | i not want to install aptitude that is why i not tested, but if i can use apt well either way other time i test it (better not use again) |
| 19:54.26 | greycat | Are you that low on disk space? aptitude only takes about 4.5 MB. (Even that is much larger than I expected, but still, small by today's standards.) |
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| 20:05.28 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: when you can get a 120GB SSD for $30 USD or under... hard to imagine someone struggling to do 5MB in 2020 |
| 20:07.11 | greycat | I'm guessing it's some sort of stubbornness thing... "I refuse to use aptitude, because the squirrels told me it's evil" |
| 20:08.22 | annadane | i suppose if you filled up your drive with personal files... |
| 20:08.46 | annadane | aptitude is awesome though, everyone should try it |
| 20:09.23 | greycat | it's worth having around just so you can do "aptitude why", or the occasional complex query |
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| 20:10.06 | greycat | e.g. aptitude search '~pstandard' |
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| 20:11.29 | sney | (am I missing php modules or is this app broken) aptitude search ~iphp (ah, I see) |
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| 20:16.20 | oxek | how do I know if I need to reboot the system after a kernel upgrade? Is it always necessary? |
| 20:16.48 | greycat | Yes. |
| 20:17.08 | oxek | good to know, thanks, I'll make a note of it |
| 20:17.30 | tomreyn | why is it always necessary, though? |
| 20:17.30 | oxek | actually, how do I know if I need to reboot after apt upgrade of various other packages? |
| 20:17.58 | oxek | e.g. I just upgraded libldap-common and have no idea if I need a reboot or not |
| 20:18.28 | greycat | Imagine a flowchart. There is one bubble at the top, and it looks like ( Was linux-image in the update? ) |
| 20:18.41 | tomreyn | oxek: there's the needrestart package which would tell you by the time an 'apt install' run has finished |
| 20:18.48 | greycat | It has one arrow going southwest, labeled "no", pointing to a bubble that says ( Do not reboot ) |
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| 20:19.01 | greycat | And one arrow going southeast, labeled "yes", pointing to ( Reboot ) |
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| 20:19.35 | greycat | (Actually, I'm oversimplifying, but only a *tiny* bit. Sometimes you have to reboot for systemd, udev, or dbus upgrades.) |
| 20:19.52 | dvs | ,i reboot-notifier |
| 20:19.53 | judd | Package reboot-notifier (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: daily reboot notification mailer. Version: 0.8; Size: 3.8k; Installed: 23k |
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| 20:20.42 | sponix2ipfw | "daily" reboot ? |
| 20:20.54 | greycat | daily notification |
| 20:21.06 | sponix2ipfw | I apply video drivers and kernels - Monthly. That is when I reboot |
| 20:21.14 | sponix2ipfw | If neither of those are required.. whatever |
| 20:21.17 | dvs | but needrestart is what I was really after |
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| 20:21.27 | sponix2ipfw | I just wait for the next power outtage that last longer than my UPS |
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| 20:24.16 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: so, that will notify you if it feels you need a reboot - and only when it feels so ? Not just a daily reminder based on time ? |
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| 20:25.12 | greycat | ... what? |
| 20:25.31 | greycat | What part of "daily ... notification mailer" confused you here? |
| 20:25.51 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: specifically the daily part - honestly :) |
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| 20:27.01 | ratrace | confuses me too, wth is that thing |
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| 20:29.03 | greycat | https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/reboot-notifier/filelist |
| 20:29.06 | greycat | /etc/cron.daily/reboot-notifier |
| 20:29.14 | greycat | Seems unsurprising to me. |
| 20:29.57 | oxek | tomreyn: thanks, needrestart looks like exactly what I wanted |
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| 20:31.57 | sponix2ipfw | greycat: I am pretty simple minded. And have also just consumed a few shots of Jack. Doesn't take much to confused me at the moment :) |
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| 20:42.26 | oxek | what about the checkrestart utility from debian? Does it do the same thing? |
| 20:43.14 | greycat | !checkrestart |
| 20:43.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, checkrestart is a program that tries to determine if there are processes requiring a restart after a system upgrade. It is part of the debian-goodies package. |
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| 20:43.33 | greycat | "restart" does not mean reboot to unix people. Only to windows people. |
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| 20:46.42 | tyzef | guys, something disturb me... I can do a netinstall and get all data downloaded from my wpa wifi network... and after the install done+reboot... plop! no more wifi..... so one question come to my mind, what netinstall use to connect to my wpa wifi during the install??? |
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| 20:50.47 | dvs | tyzef, what ISO image did you use to do the install? (the EXACT name) |
| 20:51.09 | tyzef | yep |
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| 20:52.26 | mandeep | when using ispell or spell, is there a specific modern technical dictionary i can use? |
| 20:52.34 | mandeep | for example if i want to spellcheck a latex file |
| 20:53.19 | tyzef | dvs, debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:53.52 | dvs | tyzef, yeah, that image doesn't have the firmware on it. |
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| 20:57.55 | tyzef | dvs, that's my: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 20:58.09 | dvs | !firmware iso |
| 20:58.09 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 20:58.17 | mandeep | nvm, looks like aspell has a tex dictionary |
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| 21:03.47 | tyzef | dvs, I can confirm that I am able to scan trough: iwlist scan |
| 21:03.53 | tyzef | why is that??? |
| 21:04.44 | dvs | dunno |
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| 21:05.14 | tyzef | well |
| 21:05.54 | tyzef | dvs, so I should look toward the firmware |
| 21:06.39 | lupulo | tyzef, why do you try connecting directly? |
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| 21:07.05 | lupulo | not use wpa, use nothing and test the connection |
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| 21:07.17 | tyzef | hmm |
| 21:07.19 | lupulo | do a ping to anywhere |
| 21:07.34 | tyzef | yet ping doesn't work |
| 21:07.45 | lupulo | you require a ip before |
| 21:07.57 | lupulo | dhclient after you connect |
| 21:08.00 | lupulo | or dhcpd |
| 21:08.04 | lupulo | or something |
| 21:08.05 | tyzef | i don't know about ip |
| 21:08.17 | lupulo | ip address show |
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| 21:09.27 | lupulo | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse tyzef |
| 21:09.30 | lupulo | command line |
| 21:10.13 | lupulo | if you test and it doesn't work ask about the iso what you need |
| 21:10.43 | tyzef | I am trying for wpasupplicant, I need a debian minimal, no gui, only xorg and openbox |
| 21:11.40 | lupulo | perhaps you could donwload firmware to another pendrive in order to mount it |
| 21:11.47 | lupulo | if it is required |
| 21:13.54 | tyzef | I guess I should check if the firmware is there avaible on my debian or not, I will look for it now |
| 21:14.18 | tyzef | and I want to check your idea as well without password |
| 21:14.35 | tyzef | wpe isn't it? |
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| 21:15.17 | lupulo | you could try the phone wifi or something |
| 21:15.24 | lupulo | it is the same |
| 21:15.31 | lupulo | it is your time |
| 21:15.43 | dvs | tyzef, dpkg -l firmware\* |
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| 21:17.05 | brutser | hi guys! if i use qemu-kvm, if i have a debian guest (on a debian host), the left buttons on the mouse (one is assigned as the BACK button) do not work |
| 21:19.19 | tyzef | dvs, the answer of dpkg -l firmware\* is very strange |
| 21:19.29 | brutser | i notice QEMU emulates a PS/2 for the mouse so that only allow LEFT mIDDLE and right buttons for the mouse? |
| 21:19.34 | tyzef | ok two are there |
| 21:19.42 | brutser | is there no known workaround? |
| 21:20.03 | dvs | tyzef, what are the first two letters in that line? |
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| 21:20.44 | tyzef | firmware-crytalhd & firmware-linux-free 3.4 |
| 21:21.26 | dvs | no firmware-atheros? |
| 21:21.28 | tyzef | un & ii |
| 21:21.37 | tyzef | yes no atheros |
| 21:21.42 | sponix2ipfw | brutser: well, if using something like virt-manager you can easily pass through a USB Mouse, emulate one or similar with a few "clicks" |
| 21:21.51 | dvs | tyzef, and that's why your wifi doesn't work. |
| 21:22.02 | greycat | the one that starts with ii is installed. the one that starts with un is not. |
| 21:22.25 | brutser | sponix2ipfw: yea i am using virt-manager, but adding a generic USB mouse does not change it |
| 21:22.35 | tyzef | so only firmware-linux-free 3.4 is installed then |
| 21:22.51 | brutser | and passthrough the USB mouse is a bit tricky as then i need to shutdown the guest in order to get my mouse back no? |
| 21:22.57 | dvs | tyzef, yes |
| 21:23.18 | tyzef | ok thank you guys ! |
| 21:23.39 | tyzef | I will work on it, what ever comes up I will inform you |
| 21:23.42 | sponix2ipfw | brutser: pretty sure it will show up in both places just fine -- try it :) |
| 21:23.55 | lupulo | tyzef, you could donwload the firmware and install |
| 21:24.05 | tyzef | yes |
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| 21:24.23 | dvs | the firmware deb! |
| 21:24.33 | lupulo | tyzef, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-atheros |
| 21:24.35 | tyzef | from there? https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:24.54 | lupulo | you donwload .deb to usb, and mount it |
| 21:24.56 | dvs | tyzef, lupulo just gave the link |
| 21:25.07 | brutser | sponix2ipfw: when i redirect the mouse as USB device, mouse just stops working, both in host and guest |
| 21:25.08 | tyzef | ok |
| 21:25.11 | lupulo | after you install the firmware |
| 21:25.21 | sponix2ipfw | brutser: sweet |
| 21:25.35 | sponix2ipfw | brutser: guess that wasn't the answer then ;) |
| 21:26.11 | brutser | sponix2ipfw: i guess not :) but you saying that it's easy means it is working for you? |
| 21:26.16 | lupulo | !https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-atheros |
| 21:26.19 | brutser | at least then i know it's possible alltogether |
| 21:28.22 | sponix2ipfw | brutser: not sure, I haven't used qemu-kvm recently with virt-manager. And I am a simpleton that is likely to use any advanced mouse functions to notice this issue anyway lol |
| 21:29.08 | tyzef | well lulupo thanks i do it |
| 21:29.11 | lupulo | tyzef, a lot of people use a wifi usb which doesn't require firmware. |
| 21:29.27 | lupulo | or a usb-ethernet |
| 21:29.39 | tyzef | hey |
| 21:30.06 | greycat | Or an ethernet that's built into their motherboard, and oh by the way, it's not a freakin' laptop. |
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| 21:30.15 | tyzef | I get internet trough adsl, is it usefull to install that firemware? |
| 21:30.33 | tyzef | it's a eeepc |
| 21:32.37 | dvs | tyzef, the firmware enables the Wifi on the eeepc. It can't even connect to the router without it. |
| 21:33.57 | tyzef | but trough CAT6 cable it do, but that doesn't matter isn't it |
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| 21:34.54 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:35.32 | ws2k3 | i got a dir with this name J�ngstentraining 4-6 Jahre how can i rename this folder? cause the � sign is pretty weird some script are failing on it |
| 21:35.44 | tyzef | my router I have two ways to connect to the network... with cable or wifi... with cable it work, not with wifi |
| 21:35.49 | dvs | tyzef, I haven't heard of any ethernet adapter that needs firmware |
| 21:36.05 | dvs | ok, that makes sense. |
| 21:36.10 | tyzef | ok |
| 21:36.25 | dvs | tyzef, if you want to connect through wifi, you need the firmware. period. |
| 21:36.34 | tyzef | well |
| 21:36.56 | lwp | tyzef, but when you connect via ethernet, you can install the firmware for the wifi |
| 21:37.03 | dvs | yup |
| 21:37.16 | dvs | well (In his words) |
| 21:37.29 | dvs | non-free repos need to be set up |
| 21:38.07 | tyzef | yes lwp |
| 21:38.30 | tyzef | ok now I am going to install it |
| 21:38.39 | tyzef | it's there on the eeepc |
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| 21:43.06 | tyzef | that's it, a reboot? |
| 21:43.12 | dvs | yes |
| 21:43.21 | tyzef | well |
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| 21:46.10 | tyzef | I am still down |
| 21:46.55 | tyzef | I can see the firmware is "ii" |
| 21:47.32 | dvs | tyzef, https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK |
| 21:47.44 | dvs | configure you wifi |
| 21:47.49 | dvs | *your |
| 21:48.11 | tyzef | well |
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| 21:57.01 | tyzef | I again stuck here: sudo systemctl restart dhcpcd.service = Unit dhcpcd.service not found |
| 21:58.21 | greycat | because this is not Raspbian |
| 21:58.34 | dvs | busted |
| 21:58.37 | tyzef | oh I see |
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| 22:01.02 | greycat | Network config in Debian can be done several different ways. The most basic is via the "ifupdown" package, which includes networking.service, and which is configured in /etc/network/interfaces (see interfaces(5)). |
| 22:01.09 | greycat | It can also be done with network-manager. |
| 22:01.52 | greycat | dhcpcd is not installed by default; isc-dhcp-client is. |
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| 22:31.58 | eth01 | hi, does anybody here use errbot? |
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| 22:44.53 | lwp | !anyone |
| 22:44.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 22:57.57 | oxek | just to confirm, on debian I should not be manually adding exectutables to /bin or /usr/bin because apt might overwrite them. I should instead place them in ~/.local/bin . Do I understand it correctly? |
| 22:58.20 | annadane | i think so |
| 22:59.24 | joepublic | not ~/bin ? |
| 23:00.58 | oxek | ~/bin would work as well probably, but makes a mess in my ~ |
| 23:01.24 | oxek | the default debian .profile adds both ~/bin and ~/.local/bin to path |
| 23:01.37 | sponix | oxek: you should just not require programs outside of what Debian offers in its packages |
| 23:01.51 | sponix | problem solved |
| 23:01.57 | oxek | sponix: so many apps are electron-based and debian does not package any |
| 23:02.17 | joepublic | Most of the stuff in my ~/bin is either scripts or programs I wrote |
| 23:02.20 | sponix | oxek: like ? |
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| 23:02.54 | oxek | sponix: Signal messenger |
| 23:04.13 | somiaj | oxek: you can use /usr/local/bin as well, $HOME is best if only your user needs, /usr/local provides a full FHS heirchy to install self compiled software to debian. |
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| 23:04.51 | oxek | somiaj: good to know, thanks! |
| 23:05.41 | somiaj | note /usr/local will take default over /usr, and could cause conflicts if you have thw same software isntalled locally in /usr/local and from debian in /usr |
| 23:05.43 | sponix | somiaj: how does /opt rate ? |
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| 23:11.00 | oxek | I think I am starting to understand linux more and how it all pieces together |
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| 23:13.33 | pingfloyd | oxek: https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html |
| 23:14.41 | ham5urg | I want to replace exim4 after a standard installation. I installed msmtp-mta and looking at the configuration. The examples I've found are using the root account for sending email. Will this be available to all services? What about some service which is not running under root? |
| 23:14.52 | pingfloyd | oxek: also there's man 7 hier |
| 23:15.07 | oxek | anyone know the order of precedence if the same named binary exists in ~/bin, ~/.local/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin, /bin? |
| 23:15.23 | oxek | I suspect it goes from left to right according to $PATH |
| 23:15.29 | annadane | yep, that |
| 23:15.31 | oxek | but the ~ directories are not in $PATH |
| 23:15.46 | oxek | or at least not there when I do `echo $PATH` |
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| 23:16.20 | pingfloyd | so you want to add them |
| 23:17.06 | pingfloyd | PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH |
| 23:17.39 | oxek | odd thing is that ~/.profile says it adds those two paths to PATH |
| 23:17.53 | pingfloyd | oxek: what display manager you use? |
| 23:17.59 | oxek | I don't think I understand how ~/.profile works, am going to read up on it |
| 23:18.09 | pingfloyd | is this in a terminal emulator? |
| 23:18.15 | oxek | pingfloyd: I run xfce |
| 23:18.31 | pingfloyd | probably using lightdm, and that's why your ~/.profile doesn't get sourced |
| 23:18.47 | oxek | just checked, yes it is lightdm |
| 23:18.49 | pingfloyd | the tradition is to source it, but lightdm wants to be different |
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| 23:19.51 | pingfloyd | oxek: so now you need to find an alternate means that it will be sourced after X is up but before your start a terminal emulator. |
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| 23:20.28 | pingfloyd | there's a lot of different ways to tackled this whole stupid dilemma. Don't rule out maybe the best solution of all, changing which DM you use. |
| 23:22.22 | oxek | sounds great... why make things simple, right? |
| 23:22.27 | oxek | I'll see what I can do |
| 23:23.24 | miskatonic | I use startx from the console, so the profile is already loaded from the outset |
| 23:23.30 | ham5urg | The most howtos are describing a configuration of exim via dpkg-reconfigure. But this lacks the access-rights. How can a (non-root-server-)program send an email if the mta is owned by root? |
| 23:23.56 | ham5urg | And if exim4 is replaced by mstmp |
| 23:24.53 | miskatonic | does lightdm not read Xsession? |
| 23:25.01 | pingfloyd | another way, ugly and hackish is say try editing /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc or ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc < source ~/.profile |
| 23:25.19 | pingfloyd | miskatonic: I can't remember |
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| 23:25.30 | pingfloyd | miskatonic: xsession and xinit are like a ball of yard |
| 23:25.34 | oxek | I think I am just looking for the best file to place PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH |
| 23:26.08 | pingfloyd | oxek: other option, is put the PATH line in .bashrc |
| 23:26.18 | pingfloyd | and forget about it |
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| 23:27.44 | somiaj | oxek: man bash, pay attention to the difference between interactive and login shells |
| 23:27.52 | pingfloyd | I remember how I handled this now |
| 23:28.19 | somiaj | some source one from the other to ensure there is no difference, but realize other shells than bash may use .profile |
| 23:28.20 | pingfloyd | I put '. $HOME/.profile' in my ~/.xsessionrc |
| 23:28.39 | oxek | well I have no idea about the distinction between interactive and login, looks like I have a lot of reading to do |
| 23:28.42 | pingfloyd | I'm running lightdm with xfce for reference |
| 23:29.00 | pingfloyd | it's silly we should even have to deal with it |
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| 23:30.43 | pingfloyd | beside PATH, you usually want it where you have had your .profile source by the time you spawn terminal |
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| 23:31.56 | somiaj | I have functions that check if something is in PATH before adding it, so I dno't have to worry about double enteries if .bashrc gets sourced twice |
| 23:34.12 | lwp | somiaj, is that just for neatness, or is there some reason to worry about double entries ? |
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| 23:34.49 | somiaj | lwp: well the more entries the more places things like tab-completion have to look through, but neatness is probably most of it |
| 23:35.16 | somiaj | modern computers are fast enough I'm sure the overall affect is minute |
| 23:35.42 | miskatonic | if .profile sources .bashrc and vice versa, doesn't that lead to an infinite loop? |
| 23:36.54 | somiaj | miskatonic: it could be bash is smart enough to deal with that, but I only source one from another. |
| 23:37.37 | somiaj | my .profile checks if I'm running bash, and if .bashrc exists, then sources that, and I do all my config in .bashrc (since my use case doens't need to distniguish between interactive and login shells) |
| 23:37.51 | somiaj | I've never tired to see what happens if you create a loop sourcing back and forth. |
| 23:38.33 | somiaj | but that does mean my .bashrc often gets source twiced by the time I open an xterm, hence my functions to check things fist. |
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| 23:39.27 | annadane | wonders if lightdm will source .profile in debian 11 |
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| 23:40.53 | somiaj | I guess I don't see the point of display managers and use startx... |
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| 23:42.42 | oxek | somiaj: I thought I need a display manager to have a working lock screen |
| 23:43.23 | annadane | lightdm has had tons of reported bugs, it's kind of funny |
| 23:43.36 | somiaj | oxek: not as much anymore, it use to be startx would run on a different tty, so you could switch to the tty your ran startx on, but now startx runs on the same tty, and this isn't the case |
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| 23:44.16 | somiaj | and with ctrl-alt-del disabled too, I don't think there is much difference there anymore |
| 23:44.36 | sponix | somiaj: what was ctrl+alt+del supposed to do ? |
| 23:44.41 | somiaj | so just using some tool like i3lock is enough to lock the screen, and there isn't a way to get out of x |
| 23:44.56 | somiaj | sponix: arg you are correct, ctrl-alt-backspace -- it use to kill xorg |
| 23:45.29 | sponix | somiaj: Yeah, that is one of my favorites |
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