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| 00:15.48 | oxek | ok I edited my ~/.bashrc to add ~/.local/bin to my PATH and it works |
| 00:15.58 | oxek | I can now run anything I placed in ~/.local/bin |
| 00:16.47 | oxek | however, I spotted that it added ~/.local/bin to the beggining of my path, which makes me think that any program that can add stuff to ~/.local/bin can create e.g. ~/.local/bin/ls which will override the functionality of ls |
| 00:17.00 | dvs | Why have a ~/.local/bin? Why hide it? |
| 00:17.03 | oxek | so I guess I should add ~/.local/bin to the end of my $PATH, right? |
| 00:17.21 | oxek | dvs: I already have ~/.local so I thought I might use it |
| 00:17.26 | oxek | whereas I don't yet have ~/bin |
| 00:17.45 | mason | oxek: Traditional is ~/bin. And if you're worried about system binaries being overridden, have it show up at the end of your PATH. |
| 00:18.11 | dvs | But ~/bin comes already defined? |
| 00:18.24 | oxek | dvs: appaerntly not on debian xfce by default |
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| 00:18.46 | mason | It's been so very long since I used a default shell config that I'll have to defer that question to you guys. |
| 00:18.47 | joepublic | ~/bin is only added to your path if it exists. |
| 00:18.47 | apt | ...but /bin is already something else... |
| 00:18.56 | oxek | my `echo $PATH` was just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
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| 00:19.11 | mason | My paths only just started omitting /usr/ucb. :P |
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| 00:20.54 | somiaj | by default if you mkdir ~/bin/ it gets added to the path |
| 00:21.59 | joepublic | upon login, in .bashrc |
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| 00:23.06 | oxek | somiaj: you're right, I did not spot that behavior |
| 00:23.12 | somiaj | on my system it is in /etc/skel/.profile, if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then |
| 00:23.32 | somiaj | so if you have the stock .profile it should work, (note not all xsessions read .profile though) |
| 00:23.41 | oxek | all I needed to do was create ~/bin and/or ~/.local/bin and they then get added to my path when I source .bashrc or start new terminal |
| 00:24.04 | somiaj | no, ~/.local/bin won't, at least on the debian .profile I se |
| 00:24.18 | somiaj | oh wait it is there, I can't keep up with all these changes |
| 00:24.54 | dvs | somiaj, I see .local/bin in mine too |
| 00:25.01 | dvs | how about that? |
| 00:25.11 | somiaj | dvs: yea, I overlooked it, didn't realize both were there. |
| 00:25.40 | dvs | oxek, so are you still going to use ~/.local/bin |
| 00:26.28 | oxek | dvs: I am willing to learn. I don't see much difference between the two, except that ~/.local already exists and contains ~/.local/share so I might as well add bin there |
| 00:26.38 | somiaj | seems it was added in bash (4.4.18-1) to close bug #839155 |
| 00:26.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/839155 in bash (closed, patch): «bash: $HOME/.local/bin missing from $PATH again»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-09-29; last modified: 2018-04-16. |
| 00:27.40 | somiaj | oxek: you can arrange your data in $HOME however you like, ~/bin was the old standard, all putting it in .local/bin is put it in a hidden dir |
| 00:27.43 | dvs | I only have ~/.local/share |
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| 00:28.06 | mason | This is the first I've heard of ~/.local/bin - when did it pop into existence? |
| 00:28.25 | oxek | I guess if ~/bin was old, then I am gonna go with ~/.local/bin if that's new |
| 00:28.49 | somiaj | mason: more and more things are using things like this, ~/.local, seems I have some local python and ruby packages installed there too |
| 00:29.10 | dvs | ugh |
| 00:29.59 | mason | oxek: It's of course up to you, but traditional paths mean you won't find yourself on systems where nothing is where you expect it. Plus, you know, https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw |
| 00:30.07 | oxek | dvs: is there any particular problem with that |
| 00:30.19 | mason | oxek: Watch the video and THEN decide. |
| 00:30.23 | somiaj | freedesktop.org keeps updating their stanadrds. |
| 00:30.23 | oxek | mason: oh I fully expect to not find things where I expect them, my memory is not what it used to be :D |
| 00:31.02 | dvs | oxek, I don't see why it has to be in a hidden directory. |
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| 00:32.46 | themill | most people don't seem to want ~/share and ~/lib and so ~/.local makes sense so that you can have the normal hierarchy somewhere within ~/ ; at that point ~/.local/bin becomes quite sensible |
| 00:32.52 | oxek | dvs: dunno. Something already created ~/.local/share and is putting whole bunch of stuff in there |
| 00:33.03 | dvs | I'd be worried if something wasn't working right because a script is running an old version of a program hidden in a hidden directory. |
| 00:33.48 | oxek | dvs: isn't there a saying like "tradition is just peer pressure from dead people" |
| 00:34.11 | themill | dvs: forgetting that you put something in ~/.local/bin is no more or less of a problem than forgetting you put something in ~/bin |
| 00:34.48 | dvs | but at least I can see bin in my home directory and it could ring a bell |
| 00:35.38 | somiaj | seems to be the reason for ~/.config, so all configurations are more centrally located than each having their own hidden file/directory, can often tell the age of software by the conventions it decides to use. |
| 00:36.16 | somiaj | just hard for me to keep up with all these changes |
| 00:40.15 | oxek | I wonder if ~/.bashrc will move to ~/.config one day |
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| 00:42.16 | somiaj | oxek: most likely not, core stuff seems to like to stick to tradition |
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| 00:42.54 | somiaj | also due to backwards compadability, I use fvwm, and it now supports like 8 places to find its config file as the conventions have evolved over time. |
| 00:43.38 | somiaj | so even if bash also used ~/.config/bashrc, it would still want to check ~/.bashrc for existance if the new place doesn't exsit to not break existing systems. |
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| 00:47.09 | silverwhitefish | :p |
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| 01:05.00 | DeaDSouL | Hi |
| 01:05.06 | DeaDSouL | does anyone know if UrBackup preserves the ownership, ACL, xattrs of the backed up files and directories ? |
| 01:08.13 | somiaj | I don't know what UrBackup is? Have you read the docs? |
| 01:08.35 | somiaj | I also see no package in debian by the name of urbackup |
| 01:10.29 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: here https://www.urbackup.org/download.html |
| 01:11.15 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: the docs don't mention anything about xattrs, onwership or ACL |
| 01:11.20 | sponix | DeaDSouL: think he is hinting that Debian 10 stable likely has at least a handful of actually supported backup programs available |
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| 01:11.45 | sponix | DeaDSouL: recommendation would probably be to try one of them |
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| 01:12.45 | DeaDSouL | sponix: I already tried it since 2019, and now I'm in a situation where I need to restore some files for my home user. |
| 01:13.39 | DeaDSouL | sponix: urbackup providing a nice easy webui to manage all backups for multiple users with multiple OSes |
| 01:14.07 | DeaDSouL | that's why I went with it.. but now I'm not sure if it backed up the permissions or not |
| 01:14.47 | sponix | DeaDSouL: that is wonderful, and you already know where the support for it is. |
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| 01:15.38 | sponix | DeaDSouL: but to answer your original question. No, I don't know anything about it. If anyone else does, hopefully they will speak up |
| 01:15.44 | DeaDSouL | sponix: I just wanted to give it a shot here first.. |
| 01:16.02 | DeaDSouL | sponix: I hope that too |
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| 01:16.55 | sponix | I am old school and just use rsync .. It is basic, just like me |
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| 01:19.05 | somiaj | in general we only support software that is included with debian. |
| 01:19.40 | DeaDSouL | sponix: I use it too for my own workstation and servers.. but the reason I went with urbackup, is it can be used on any OS, and it provides one webui to manage them all, |
| 01:19.51 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: ok |
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| 01:21.09 | DeaDSouL | sponix: and i'm using it for the other windows/linux users in the house |
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| 01:24.33 | somiaj | also depends on what you are backing up, user data in $HOME permissions don't mean much, just set them back when you restore |
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| 01:30.14 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: it's not just about owner:group, some of them are having special modes, besides I'm backing up /home, /etc, /root, /usr/local and /opt |
| 01:30.25 | DeaDSouL | somiaj: never mind |
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| 01:45.12 | somiaj | I was more poiting out you could backup a lot of your user data on this new place that works for you and other users, but then have a seprate backup for the os. There are tons of backup models. |
| 01:48.46 | tabb | anyone know a good webcam working on debian? |
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| 01:50.08 | sney | they all seem to work fine |
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| 02:01.17 | sponix | tabb: Logitech C920 you can just plug in, and have it start working out of the box well |
| 02:03.18 | sney | I have a microsoft one that worked out of the box, too. and it's been years since I've seen someone need extra work for one of the built-in laptop sort. they all seem to be UVC |
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| 02:46.33 | invra | lightdm is a dependency of libreoffice?? :/ http://dpaste.com/2XFSQMM |
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| 02:49.45 | joepublic | removing lightdm removes your desktop task. |
| 02:50.24 | dvs | task-xfce-desktop probably installs libreoffice |
| 02:50.26 | joepublic | it depends on all that stuff above. |
| 02:50.37 | invra | aha i see |
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| 03:07.29 | DammitJim | I just took a hard drive from an old machine where the drive was part of an LVM |
| 03:08.00 | DammitJim | I was surprised to see that on the new system, the VG and PV showed the info of the hard drive (with some errors) |
| 03:08.11 | DammitJim | how do I properly clean that up? |
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| 03:09.06 | DammitJim | I just used gdisk to re-create the gpt partition and add a new partition |
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| 03:09.53 | swivel | hello, quick question: I'm trying to dist-upgrade a small debian container from stretch to buster and it wants to install mailutils and exim4 garbage when this container only runs nginx as a proxy and has no mail anything installed |
| 03:10.09 | swivel | how do i prevent this nonsense from getting installed by dist-upgrade |
| 03:10.51 | sney | it's probably coming in as a recommend for one of the packages that you already have |
| 03:11.19 | velix | Is Exim4 the default MTA of Debian Buster? |
| 03:11.36 | sney | velix: yes, exim4 has been the default debian mta for a long time. |
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| 03:11.56 | swivel | sney: how do i block it? I've tried apt-mark hold mailutils exim4-stuff and it ignores that |
| 03:12.09 | swivel | this container has no mta |
| 03:12.12 | sney | swivel: try adding --no-install-recommends to your apt command |
| 03:12.15 | velix | sney: Okay. I wonder, if I can configure to use internal mail delivery *and* external as smarthost :/ |
| 03:12.27 | sney | though also, exim4 minimal is tiny on disk and can be disabled, so that's also an option |
| 03:12.44 | swivel | sney: hmm that's better |
| 03:12.49 | swivel | sney: thanks! |
| 03:12.53 | sney | np |
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| 03:57.17 | Eugen | https://topg.org/cs-servers/in-600477 ! thanks help for my server |
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| 05:38.57 | fareast | can someone tell me about no using sudo I am trying to install a package and my username isn't on the sudoers list. |
| 05:39.17 | fareast | I am coming from arch so I am not familiar with this whole "do not break debian" concept |
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| 05:42.50 | Destro | fareast, Install a .deb package and then use apt-get install package (without writing the sudo) and then use dpkg -i package.deb --force-not-root --root=$HOME |
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| 05:43.47 | fareast | curl -fsSL https://unms.com/v1/install > /tmp/unms_inst.sh && bash /tmp/unms_inst.sh |
| 05:43.54 | fareast | I am trying to do this command |
| 05:44.00 | fareast | it keeps asking for password |
| 05:44.35 | fareast | it did have sudo in there so I tried to drop it |
| 05:45.07 | fareast | curl -fsSL https://unms.com/v1/install > /tmp/unms_inst.sh && sudo bash /tmp/unms_inst.sh |
| 05:45.12 | fareast | this was the original command |
| 05:45.21 | fareast | it is coming from ubiquiti |
| 05:45.57 | fareast | trying to get the unified network management server up on my laptop with debian I was able to do it with ubuntu no problem |
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| 05:46.43 | fareast | I am running debian because I don't like all the extra crap ubuntu has I figure just build with what I need and that is it. |
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| 05:47.56 | luckylinux | Hi everybody. I am having some weird issue for the first time ... I used debootstrap in the past with great success. On this system however, for some reason not all base packages are getting installed, notably base-files and base-passwd, so I'm getting chown: invalid user: 'root:root' and I cannot get much further. Any easy way to solve this ? |
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| 05:48.45 | luckylinux | a /etc/passwd.lock and /etc/shadow.lock was created. I tried to remove it to se if it could unblock the situation, but it had no effect |
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| 05:48.58 | luckylinux | It seems this is a bug back from 2012 that was supposed to be fixed |
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| 05:50.17 | luckylinux | also getting W: No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges |
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| 06:03.04 | themill | luckylinux: are you running debootstrap as root? |
| 06:03.12 | luckylinux | Maybe I managedto unblock by copying /etc/{passwd,shadow,gpasswd,group} from another system |
| 06:03.17 | luckylinux | themill, yes |
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| 06:06.36 | luckylinux | themill, I will try reinstalling the required / important packages that seem to be part of the base system with required=$(aptitude search ~prequired -F"%p") |
| 06:06.36 | luckylinux | important=$(aptitude search ~pimportant -F"%p") |
| 06:06.58 | luckylinux | also systemd was missing :S |
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| 06:09.33 | luckylinux | Very weird however. It's the first time it's doing me that. Only thing is that I changed from my local mirror apt-cacher-ng to direct debian server (since I am currently migrating my NAS :S). Maybe debootstrap has a timeout that triggers due to too slow internet connection ? |
| 06:11.09 | themill | shouldn't do; it's failure modes are unfortunately very hard to figure out, however |
| 06:11.59 | luckylinux | themill, Well this is the only change I did, I cannot figure out why it would do it other. Just changed the debootstrap source to one of the official debian mirrors |
| 06:12.17 | luckylinux | after installing those packages it seems to not complain too much anymore |
| 06:13.45 | themill | that will have primed your cache, but shouldn't otherwise make any difference. Copying around passwd etc is interesting though. Did you have more than one root account, I wonder? |
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| 06:14.35 | luckylinux | themill, no. the file wasn't there in the chroot ... |
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| 06:17.03 | luckylinux | and on the "host" I just checked. Only 1 root account, I always used this USB stick to setup a ZFS partitioning / zpool, then install using debootstrap and chroot into it. Debootstrap didn't indicate any error except one at the begigging |
| 06:17.08 | luckylinux | *beginning |
| 06:18.06 | luckylinux | cannot remember the exact error but it was something along the line of "Cannot get Package list / Packages.gz" or something |
| 06:18.17 | luckylinux | but then it continued going on without any error or warning |
| 06:18.35 | luckylinux | unpacked all files (although the list of unpacked files was quite short to other installs) |
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| 06:31.18 | luckylinux | OK I rebooted, it seems to have fixed the problem. I can now install Proxmox-VE |
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| 06:55.21 | jmspeex | Hi, I just installed Buster on a new server, but it keeps just going into suspend by itself without notice. Anything I missed? |
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| 07:04.34 | tyzef | Hi all, "lspci -vvnn | grep Network" = "pcilib: sysfs_read_vpd: read failed: Input/output error" |
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| 09:40.52 | dka | Hi, I have a USB dongle WWAN stick, can I use it on debian? |
| 09:41.03 | dka | THis is the product https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32847791427.html?src=google&src=google&albch=shopping&acnt=494-037-6276&isdl=y&slnk=&plac=&mtctp=&albbt=Google_7_shopping&aff_platform=google&aff_short_key=UneMJZVf&&albagn=888888&albcp=6459788344&albag=76234907246&trgt=743612850874&crea=fr32847791427&netw=u&device=c&albpg=743612850874&albpd=fr32847791427&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItvnxpq-S6QIVDbTVCh2xHQzBEAYYAiABEgITnfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds |
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| 09:43.25 | dka | THis is the LSUSB new line: Bus 001 Device 019: ID 05c6:1000 Qualcomm, Inc. Mass Storage Device |
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| 09:47.01 | ham5urg | At a first-time-ssh-connection I get the remote fingerprint to accept. How can I generate the fingerprint at server side, take him (e.g. via usb-stick) to the client and tell it to ssh before initiating the connection? |
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| 09:51.25 | Wulf | ham5urg: ssh-keyscan 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:51.38 | Wulf | ham5urg: you can add the keys to ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 09:52.08 | Wulf | well, after fixing the hostname. So better "ssh-keyscan servername" |
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| 09:56.47 | ham5urg | Wulf, thanks |
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| 10:14.13 | ham5urg | My client is getting the SHA256 ECDSA key fingerprint. ssh-keyscan is producing (default) other fingerprint ed25519. How can I get the sha356 fingerprint in particular? |
| 10:14.24 | ham5urg | sha256* |
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| 10:20.48 | ham5urg | got it: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key.pub |
| 10:23.13 | oxek | ham5urg: I'm a big fan of disabling everything but ed25519 |
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| 10:24.26 | ham5urg | oxek: I'm curious, why? |
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| 10:27.01 | oxek | ham5urg: it makes sure that anything that tries to connect is at least recent enough to understand ed25519. It gives me at least the knowledge the connecting program has been updated in the last few years. |
| 10:27.46 | oxek | plus it prevents loads of automated malware that only understands rsa or dsa |
| 10:28.09 | ham5urg | oxek, I understand. |
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| 10:28.56 | ham5urg | oxek, is there a page out there how to disable certain algos? |
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| 10:30.41 | oxek | ham5urg: there was a nice one from mozilla a while ago |
| 10:31.02 | oxek | https://infosec.mozilla.org/guidelines/openssh |
| 10:32.42 | ham5urg | oxek, that's an easy one, nice. |
| 10:32.58 | oxek | there's also ssh-audit in debian repos but it is not maintained anymore |
| 10:33.52 | oxek | apparently resurrected at https://github.com/jtesta/ssh-audit/ though |
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| 10:35.19 | oxek | if anyone from debian knows how to do this, then https://github.com/jtesta/ssh-audit/ should be used as the new source for the ssh-audit package in debian repos |
| 10:37.23 | oxek | the same buy even runs https://www.ssh-audit.com/ and maintains some nice hardening rules at https://www.ssh-audit.com/hardening_guides.html |
| 10:37.31 | oxek | s/buy/guy |
| 10:37.55 | oxek | I probably just landed myself on some spam list |
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| 10:47.04 | ham5urg | oxek, thanks |
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| 10:49.41 | brutser | on debian host and guest, with vbox and guest additions it works out of the box, with qemu-kvm i cannot get mouse button 4,5 to work (left side of mouse) inside guest vm - it seems not very trivial how to do this, but i cannot imagine it's impossible. can anyone help me out here? |
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| 10:53.07 | ratrace | brutser: even with full mouse capture (Ctrl-Alt-G I think) ? |
| 10:55.39 | ham5urg | Has anyone managed to have the private key on some fat32-formatted usb-stick and to login via ssh without complaining "Permissions 0644 for id_rsa are too open."? |
| 10:56.26 | ham5urg | Hot to store the key on some fat32 usb stick which does not know about permissions? |
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| 10:58.53 | ratrace | ham5urg: probably not |
| 10:59.11 | budlight | hi |
| 11:00.16 | brutser | ratrace: i will check that, but it would be nice if i could get it to work just as the vbox guest additions work, there the mouse buttons all work |
| 11:00.24 | brutser | i cannot imagine that cannot be done for qemu-kvm |
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| 11:39.10 | f8e4 | can scp do file matching, eg in a toplevel dir issue: $ scp -r */dist/*.whl ? |
| 11:40.20 | ratrace | that's the shell doing, not scp per se. also, scp is deprecated, consider sftp or rsync |
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| 11:42.39 | f8e4 | is rsync shipped i cant find it |
| 11:42.57 | f8e4 | No manual entry for rsync |
| 11:43.33 | ratrace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.41 | f8e4 | n$ rsync -rv --include '*/dist/*.whl' steve_ssh_hostname <- how to use steve from ssh steve ? |
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| 11:53.02 | f8e4 | i try: $ rsync -rv --include '*/dist/*.whl' . steve:~ |
| 11:53.08 | f8e4 | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(235) [sender=3.1.3] |
| 11:54.42 | ratrace | f8e4: first of all, that include pattern probably won't do what you want because you're missing a full filter with exclusions. second, ~ is invalid . just "steve:" means the default directory upon ssh login, which is usually $HOME . otherwise specify full path: steve:/home/steve/or/wherever/ |
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| 11:55.38 | ratrace | f8e4: with such search patterns where you don't know the top level dir and want ALL of them that DO have the "dist" as second dir, which DO have "*.whl" inside them, better to use `find` to build a list of files, then use that list for rsync |
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| 11:57.08 | ratrace | otherwise you need --filter and you need to include all path elements individually, for all the patterns you want included, followed by -* exclusion. see the manpage, FILTER RULES |
| 11:58.12 | ratrace | f8e4: btw, use -n (--dry-run) optionally with -t as well, to see what would be transferred, until you get the desired pattern correct |
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| 12:00.48 | f8e4 | ratrace wow this is hard :) i try to figure it |
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| 12:01.25 | ratrace | well you don't have a simple requirement there. fastest but hackiest way is to use find to build a list, then use rsync --files-from=that_list.txt |
| 12:02.22 | ratrace | find ./ -wholename '*/dist/*.whl' > that_list.txt or whatever you seek. |
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| 12:04.57 | f8e4 | find ./ -wholename '*/dist/*.whl' | rsync -vn steve:/home/steve ? |
| 12:06.26 | ratrace | no |
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| 12:07.36 | ratrace | if you really must avoid files, you could do rsync -vn $(find ./ -wholename '*/dist/*.whl') steve: |
| 12:07.56 | ratrace | but you're limited with the size you can put in argument list like that, so using a file is always better |
| 12:11.12 | f8e4 | i cant get past: rsync -vr --files-from=that_list.txt . steve:/home/steve/ |
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| 12:11.19 | f8e4 | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(235) [sender=3.1.3] |
| 12:11.48 | ratrace | f8e4: means you have an error in ssh connection. can you `ssh steve` ? |
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| 12:12.16 | f8e4 | is perfect |
| 12:12.36 | ratrace | ah... does the `steve` host have rsync installed to? it needs one |
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| 12:12.52 | f8e4 | nope :D |
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| 12:13.33 | ratrace | *too and yeah, install it |
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| 12:15.52 | ratrace | f8e4: btw, looking at the manpage, it appears you can use --files-from=- to feed the list from stdin, so find ... | rsync ... --files-from=- ./ steve: might actually work. just note that files-from paths are RELATIVE to the src dir in your rsync |
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| 12:20.42 | f8e4 | ratrace thank so much, this is magic. |
| 12:21.36 | ratrace | !next |
| 12:21.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 12:26.11 | kreyren | How do i resolve all packages on apt so that it would install the appropriate versions from /etc/apt/preferences.d ? |
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| 12:27.14 | petn-randall | kreyren: Are you still asking here about your Frankendebian? |
| 12:27.29 | ratrace | that's gentoobian :) |
| 12:28.00 | kreyren | ratrace, GXNUUTILS/guixgentooexherbianFS to be precise |
| 12:28.11 | ratrace | oof :) |
| 12:28.29 | joepublic | I think that's supported in #goodluckwiththat |
| 12:28.29 | kreyren | petn-randall, and no that was my friend he came to my pc and did this |
| 12:28.34 | kreyren | he looks exactly like me though |
| 12:28.37 | ratrace | joepublic: lol |
| 12:29.01 | joepublic | i must admit the absolute genius of turning apt into a gambling game |
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| 12:29.17 | ham5urg | I want to write a script to check for apt update and send email via sendmail if something is to be updated. Is there a oneliner to tell 'apt update' to deliver a 0 or 1? |
| 12:29.55 | ratrace | ham5urg: why not use the apticron package |
| 12:29.57 | cyveris | ham5urg: Check out 'unattended-upgrades'. |
| 12:29.58 | petn-randall | ham5urg: Have you heard of the package 'unattended-upgrades' yet? It can do just that for you. |
| 12:29.58 | kreyren | petn-randall, and this is unfrankenstaining -> supported here right :3 |
| 12:30.14 | ratrace | no not unattended-upgrades, that does MORE than just notify. |
| 12:30.14 | petn-randall | kreyren: Still no. |
| 12:30.20 | kreyren | petn-randall, cmooon |
| 12:30.25 | kreyren | i draw you a picture of happy debian |
| 12:30.31 | cyveris | ratrace: If you configure it, it does exactly what's being asked for. |
| 12:30.48 | ratrace | so does the proper tool for that, apticron |
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| 12:31.50 | ham5urg | ratrace, cyveris, petn-randall, thanks guys. |
| 12:31.54 | kreyren | kreyren, `sudo aptitude -t stable $(apt list --installed | grep -oP "^[^\/]+" | tr '\n' ' ')` |
| 12:31.58 | kreyren | thanks kreyren |
| 12:31.59 | kreyren | <3 |
| 12:32.02 | ratrace | lol |
| 12:32.16 | petn-randall | kreyren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyksogsIwt4 |
| 12:32.44 | GeneralStupid | Hi, it looks like that the debian installer is not able to create a grub which is capable of booting from a mdarray |
| 12:33.04 | GeneralStupid | Is there an easy way to achieve this or do i have to configure than manually? |
| 12:33.21 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: Hi, how did you prepare the installation medium? |
| 12:33.30 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: Sure it is. When it asks which device(s) to install grub to, you need to enter one or more of the component devices, NOT the md array. |
| 12:33.41 | ratrace | petn-randall: that must hurt less than managing that ... guixgentooexherbian :) |
| 12:33.54 | GeneralStupid | cyveris: i did grup-install to both devices |
| 12:34.07 | GeneralStupid | petn-randall: prepare? i just bootet from usb |
| 12:34.17 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: If you did grub-install, then you didn't do that during the install process. |
| 12:34.19 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: Yes, how did you prepare the usb image? |
| 12:34.22 | GeneralStupid | cyveris: i used that same setup with gentoo before, so i did it the same |
| 12:34.39 | joepublic | it's like it's gentoobian day |
| 12:34.41 | GeneralStupid | cyveris: i chosed both partitions |
| 12:34.47 | ratrace | GeneralStupid: you didn't install grub onto md though |
| 12:34.53 | cyveris | ratrace: You shouldn't. |
| 12:34.56 | ratrace | right |
| 12:35.06 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: You don't install grub to a partition. You install it to a disk. |
| 12:35.08 | GeneralStupid | i didnt do that |
| 12:35.18 | GeneralStupid | i installed it two both disks |
| 12:35.27 | joepublic | you can install grub to a partition, useful in certain situations |
| 12:35.35 | GeneralStupid | it didnt work. grub config does not load md stuff |
| 12:35.35 | cyveris | joepublic: You CAN. But in this case, you don't. |
| 12:35.54 | joepublic | this is not one of those situations, no |
| 12:35.56 | GeneralStupid | joepublic: problem is, bios or uefi cannor read mdarrays... |
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| 12:36.29 | cyveris | No, it can't. That's why grub needs to be installed to the MBR (or GPT equivalent BIOS boot partition) of one or more of the physical disks. |
| 12:36.59 | ratrace | on wait, with GPT you still install to /dev/sda for example, NOT the bios_boot partition |
| 12:37.09 | ratrace | grub then finds the bios_boot partition and puts its second stage there |
| 12:37.22 | cyveris | Yup. |
| 12:37.23 | GeneralStupid | What i did, i chosed manual partition, selected my physical drives as RAID devices and created a software raid device. md0 was created and mounted. I installed the stuff and then i installed grub via the graphical installer first on sda1 then on sdb1 |
| 12:37.36 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: And that's your problem. |
| 12:37.44 | cyveris | You installed grub to a partition, NOT the MBR/BIOS boot partition. |
| 12:37.49 | kreyren | petn-randall, here is the promised image of happy debian ^^ https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Kreyren/8975bd1b00bb47704ddf8c357a23d0c1/raw/bb3eb9953b612bf6be91c8a090b7b1fe2c367124/gistfile1.txt |
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| 12:37.54 | cyveris | You need to instsall grub to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. |
| 12:38.04 | cyveris | Otherwise, it won't be located in a place where BIOS knows to look. |
| 12:38.04 | ratrace | GeneralStupid: usually problems with manual raid and debian in my experience is in naming of the md. md0 while you install manually, but it becomes md127 on reboot. |
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| 12:38.39 | GeneralStupid | cyveris: i used the graphical installer, so i think it will use devices not partitions? |
| 12:38.53 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: You just said exactly where you installed grub to. |
| 12:39.06 | cyveris | GeneralStupid: If you tell it to install to sda1, that's where it goes. |
| 12:39.24 | ratrace | yea, install to sda, not sda1 |
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| 12:40.43 | petn-randall | kreyren: You missed the joke. |
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| 12:40.52 | petn-randall | :) |
| 12:40.54 | oxek | Anyone know if it is possible to not send "Debian-10+deb10u2" in the client identifier of the ssh client (currently sends ""SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9p1 Debian-10+deb10u2") without recompiling the ssh client? I know I can disable it for sshd server using "DebianBanner no" but I am talking about the client. |
| 12:41.42 | cyveris | My first question is "why?" |
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| 12:42.13 | oxek | cyveris: I prefer apps giving out information on a need-to-know basis. |
| 12:42.34 | cyveris | This sounds like security cargo-culting. |
| 12:42.51 | petn-randall | oxek: Out of curiosity, where are you seeing this output? |
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| 12:43.25 | oxek | petn-randall: sshconnect.c:send_client_banner(int connection_out, int minor1) |
| 12:43.41 | ratrace | (and it's just Banner, not DebianBanner) |
| 12:43.42 | oxek | can be observed e.g. when you do a client test on https://ssh-audit.com/ |
| 12:44.08 | ratrace | oxek: are you really connecting to untrusted ssh servers? |
| 12:44.09 | GeneralStupid | cyveris: iam pretty sure i installed it on the device and made a mistake in my text. Debian Installer only showed two devices to install grub on... |
| 12:44.17 | oxek | ratrace: unfortunately yes |
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| 12:45.24 | ratrace | oxek: looks like you can't without recompiling or even changing source |
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| 12:45.40 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: You should be installing it to sda and sdb, not the partitions on it. |
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| 12:46.27 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: I also asked about how you prepared the installer because a common mistake it to use things like unetbooting, which mangle the installer, and you end up not being able to write grub to the HDDs. |
| 12:46.27 | oxek | ratrace: Yeah I was wondering if I missed something. I can change that function to omit the debian part, but then I'd have to compile and keep everything up-to-date myself, so I was hoping there was something else. |
| 12:47.04 | GeneralStupid | petn-randall: i used dd to a usb key |
| 12:47.52 | dvs | to a partition? |
| 12:48.25 | GeneralStupid | dvs: device |
| 12:48.48 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: Ah, ok. That's the proper way :) |
| 12:49.41 | annadane | does debian provide any simple counter packages? you click a button and the number goes up |
| 12:51.20 | GeneralStupid | annadane: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 12:51.59 | annadane | no, not number of packages installed |
| 12:52.06 | GeneralStupid | petn-randall: i will try it again... And then i will see, as i saw it there was no insmod raid in my grub config |
| 12:52.40 | GeneralStupid | but the positive thing is, i dont need to recompile grub to get mdarray support :D |
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| 12:55.37 | GeneralStupid | oxek: actually it should be really easy. you could download the debian package source, just add one patch and recompile. This could be automated and will only fail if your patch is no longer compatible |
| 12:55.51 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: I've got a system with mdraid raid1, and I'm using grub2, so I'm certain it does work. |
| 12:56.43 | ratrace | annadane: https://bpaste.net/3SCQ and put that into a /home/annadane/file.html and use file:///home/annadane/file.html in your browser :) |
| 12:56.53 | oxek | GeneralStupid: maybe I will try it. Though I am definitely not yet confident enough in my abilities in patching code and compiling it. The most I've done was backport some package from debian-testing. |
| 12:57.27 | annadane | thanks ratrace :D |
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| 12:58.15 | ratrace | annadane: could CSS it to open up as a separate tiny window, with more bling! :) |
| 12:58.17 | GeneralStupid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.11 | GeneralStupid | oxek: apt-source can do that for you |
| 13:01.40 | ratrace | annadane: haz bug. no </head> damn I'm so used to IDEs auto-closing tags for me.... |
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| 13:06.24 | annadane | man i need to learn how to... do everything, but especially write scripts/units |
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| 13:09.14 | oxek | GeneralStupid: yes, it can, but I have much to learn ahead of me |
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| 13:19.50 | petn-randall | GeneralStupid: Yes, that works. |
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| 13:24.38 | stockholm | where can i find manoj? |
| 13:24.54 | petn-randall | stockholm: Who or what is manoj? |
| 13:25.03 | cyveris | Animal, vegetable, or mineral? |
| 13:25.06 | stockholm | a dd |
| 13:25.14 | petn-randall | stockholm: Probably their mail address. |
| 13:25.23 | stockholm | i am trying to think of his real name |
| 13:25.31 | stockholm | manoj is his irc handle |
| 13:25.45 | petn-randall | stockholm: /query manoj |
| 13:26.05 | annadane | Manoj Srivastava? |
| 13:26.10 | annadane | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kernel-package |
| 13:26.12 | stockholm | yes |
| 13:26.14 | stockholm | him |
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| 13:26.29 | petn-randall | Is there a reason you want to speak to them privately? |
| 13:26.34 | stockholm | indian, older then me! |
| 13:26.49 | stockholm | i want to ask him about make |
| 13:27.01 | stockholm | he used to maintain gnu make i think |
| 13:27.05 | petn-randall | Regarding what exactly? |
| 13:27.21 | stockholm | i am looking for an irc channel about gnu make |
| 13:27.27 | stockholm | and google failed me |
| 13:27.42 | annadane | well, #gnu is the channel for general gnu related queries |
| 13:27.55 | stockholm | yes, that might be a good first step |
| 13:28.24 | annadane | make is also pretty common, if you ask your question i'm positive someone will know the answer |
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| 13:29.23 | stockholm | annadane, ask here? |
| 13:29.39 | annadane | ask in #gnu i meant, though i suppose you can ask here if you're running debian |
| 13:29.52 | annadane | it's up to you, #gnu might be more helpful |
| 13:30.05 | stockholm | i want to use that makefile on both debian and windows |
| 13:30.31 | stockholm | and many of the useful tools are not there on windows |
| 13:30.37 | stockholm | like sed or awk |
| 13:30.42 | annadane | gnu's website also has pretty extensive documentation |
| 13:31.03 | stockholm | oh yes! |
| 13:31.04 | annadane | well... makefiles install things to specific locations and you probably can't do that on windows |
| 13:31.29 | annadane | the *general* way one runs linux stuff on windows is cygwin but i doubt make works like that |
| 13:31.55 | petn-randall | stockholm: You'll likely need to find a way to install all those on Windows, and even then many things will differ, so I don't think you're saving a lot of effort by unifying them. |
| 13:32.34 | stockholm | perhaps. |
| 13:33.38 | annadane | i've heard of xy problems but this is ridiculous :P |
| 13:34.12 | ratrace | annadane: these are xyzzy problems. complete with grues in the night. :) |
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| 13:35.14 | ratrace | feels old and sad that nobody else recognized the reference.... May Zork be with y'all. |
| 13:35.31 | cyveris | I did. |
| 13:35.46 | cyveris | Sad that Neil passed this year. |
| 13:36.02 | cyveris | Wait, that was YYZ. ;) |
| 13:36.11 | cyveris | I'm on a Rush rush right now. |
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| 13:37.56 | annadane | "what is the name of this debian dev" -> "because he used to maintain make" -> "i'm looking for the irc channel for make" -> "because i want to use makefiles on debian and windows" |
| 13:38.02 | annadane | next time, just ask your question :P |
| 13:38.46 | cyveris | We need a bot command for xyzzy that says "nothing happens." |
| 13:38.56 | ratrace | heh :) |
| 13:39.43 | ratrace | !xyzzy |
| 13:39.43 | dpkg | Twice as much happens! |
| 13:39.56 | ratrace | we have this tho |
| 13:40.14 | cyveris | Good enough! |
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| 13:41.06 | ratrace | I miss playing Zork. I think I have INFORM files somewhere in teh archives still |
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| 14:02.50 | netcrash | Hello, I discovered how to use Xterm paste (shift + insert ) but copy (shift + prtn screen ) does not work ? Any ideas? |
| 14:04.10 | petn-randall | netcrash: I've never heard of that copy feature. You can mark text with your mouse to copy it. |
| 14:04.31 | netcrash | but it does not paste on firefox only works in terminals |
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| 14:07.53 | f8e4 | does less have a tail -n 10 option? |
| 14:09.29 | annadane | you can pipe tail to less, so "yes" |
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| 14:09.40 | annadane | unless you mean does less have it natively |
| 14:10.20 | ham5urg | I want to disable all local logins via console. Login via ssh (without password but with id_rsa) is already configured. What's the best approach? |
| 14:10.57 | joepublic | say that again slowly. disable all local logins? |
| 14:11.39 | jolt | f8e4: In "less", press "shift+g" to go to end of file. Bonus tip: "shift+f" to "follow", like "tail -f" |
| 14:12.06 | annadane | ooh. TIL. |
| 14:12.30 | f8e4 | jolt nice ty |
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| 14:12.48 | ham5urg | joepublic, yes. The server are remote and I won't see them again in a long time (hopefully). I want to disable all local logins into the machine |
| 14:13.12 | joepublic | one normally prevents unwanted local logins by using strong passwords. |
| 14:13.25 | joepublic | this will not work for your use case, I take it |
| 14:13.58 | ham5urg | I want to disable the usage of passwords. id_rsa is good for me. |
| 14:14.03 | joepublic | are you also taking precautions against someone booting a live cd? |
| 14:14.16 | invra | ham5urg: local login would be possible with a live ISO anyways... unless you phisically remove USB ports aswell.. |
| 14:14.23 | jolt | ham5urg: You can lock out users with /etc/securetty. But BEWARE. Sometimes it's good to be able to login locally, so think about what you are doing. |
| 14:14.28 | invra | ham5urg: you can disable password |
| 14:14.55 | jolt | annadane: There are a bunch more keys, to open in editor etc, it's worth a read. |
| 14:14.57 | ham5urg | If I need to login locally I can boot via usb and change it again. |
| 14:15.03 | cyveris | So can anyone else. |
| 14:15.19 | ham5urg | invra, how? just remove it from passwd? |
| 14:15.27 | jolt | Yeah, you need to set a boot pw, otherwise you can just use init=/bin/<shell> |
| 14:15.33 | jolt | in grub |
| 14:15.34 | invra | ham5urg: in /etc/passwd you could add /sbin/nologin but this would also not let you login as user in any way |
| 14:15.50 | ham5urg | invra, yes, I need ssh to work. |
| 14:15.59 | invra | ham5urg: why dont you just use a strong password?? |
| 14:16.15 | invra | ham5urg: example FAepGvl*7MwyzvCbq3v7$SB#SxBMa%ZAIRw*nt!w2$9YKjS5EVsDjm1cjWi#wHUrCG0TB0%9ejiA%ZrcHi@rVKNjqr&XP@04zoE |
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| 14:16.37 | invra | and tadaaaa... login disabled unless you know it... |
| 14:16.39 | joepublic | something like XQkd_]qbyw$6_JJf would probably even do |
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| 14:17.20 | ham5urg | it's just to stop local employees from trying even if they won't reach theri goal. |
| 14:17.37 | joepublic | when I write down passwords like that I put umlauts over the lower case letters as in NES Guardian Legend |
| 14:17.52 | cyveris | ham5urg: If you have so little trust in the employees, why are you hosting there? |
| 14:18.03 | ham5urg | I hoped to get it done with a short edit of some file. |
| 14:18.19 | ham5urg | because of the payment, cyveris. |
| 14:18.30 | jolt | ham5urg: do you want them to be able to login with ssh-keys? Just not pw? |
| 14:18.32 | joepublic | I am thinking that there is little difference between the strong password method and the totally impossible method |
| 14:18.36 | ham5urg | If I found something I will post it here |
| 14:18.39 | cyveris | ham5urg: You're not going to achieve what you want. |
| 14:18.51 | invra | ham5urg: it makes no sense what you want to achieve |
| 14:18.51 | cyveris | Physical access is God. Set a strong password and stop preemptively breaking your system. |
| 14:18.57 | ham5urg | jolt, yes. |
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| 14:19.22 | jolt | ham5urg: vipw -s, set their pw-string to just * in /etc/shadow |
| 14:19.29 | joepublic | of course, typing FAepGvl*7MwyzvCbq3v7$SB#SxBMa%ZAIRw*nt!w2$9YKjS5EVsDjm1cjWi#wHUrCG0TB0%9ejiA%ZrcHi@rVKNjqr&XP@04zoE every time you sudo would be something of a pain |
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| 14:19.38 | joepublic | so there's that to consider |
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| 14:19.49 | jolt | ham5urg: then their pw will never match, but they are still allowed to login via non-pw measures, like ssh key. |
| 14:20.41 | jolt | (since the nologin suggestion would block their ssh logins as well). You could potentially also make a pam rule for whatever setup you want, but I'm no pam expert, so I can't help you out there. |
| 14:21.38 | jolt | ham5urg: maybe just comment out the contents of the common-password file in /etc/pam.d |
| 14:21.59 | invra | i smell imminent catasthropee |
| 14:22.07 | jolt | :D |
| 14:22.34 | jolt | I have added 2fa for ssh-logins not in my office subnet, also by utilizing pam.d, so it definitely works |
| 14:22.45 | jolt | But yeah, is scary |
| 14:23.14 | ham5urg | jolt, I will try |
| 14:23.39 | invra | i fidn that a strong passwords does the same withot the risk of messing up everything xD |
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| 14:29.40 | ham5urg | jolt, commenting contents for common-password in /etc/pam.d did not helped |
| 14:31.26 | invra | ham5urg: may i ask why you dont trust a 50 character password? |
| 14:31.33 | invra | jsut curious |
| 14:31.34 | GeneralStupid | so again, when i boot grub2 is starting and after it starts to load the kernel i just get a blinking cursor |
| 14:31.51 | GeneralStupid | its reading the ramdisk and its don |
| 14:31.52 | GeneralStupid | e |
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| 14:34.25 | ham5urg | invra, I trust it, but I don't want to handle any password anymore. |
| 14:34.44 | GeneralStupid | oh its not an installer issue... |
| 14:35.59 | joepublic | GeneralStupid, do you suppose super grub 2 rescue disc would help you? |
| 14:36.36 | invra | yeah then you can set a whatever crazy password, and forget about it... then just use ssh key authentication... no need to manage it |
| 14:36.58 | jolt | ham5urg: well, setting * instead of the password hash do work. |
| 14:37.08 | invra | ^ |
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| 14:40.02 | GeneralStupid | joepublic: its booting into recovery but not "normal" |
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| 14:40.15 | GeneralStupid | I dont see a difference in both cases |
| 14:40.28 | joepublic | you mean using super grub 2 rescue? |
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| 14:41.41 | GeneralStupid | no the installed grub |
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| 14:42.46 | joepublic | I mention super grub 2 rescue because it can boot into just about anything, allowing you to install grub properly from within the booted system |
| 14:43.11 | GeneralStupid | the only difference is single user mode |
| 14:43.20 | GeneralStupid | grub is installed and working |
| 14:43.55 | joepublic | I repent of having so mentioned. |
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| 14:45.20 | GeneralStupid | i just removed the quiet. it looks like its hanging after not finding the CPU microcode |
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| 14:46.42 | GeneralStupid | oh could be an hardware issue |
| 14:47.39 | ham5urg | jolt, thanks, that was an easy solution. |
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| 14:49.38 | wyre | how can I check which package owns a file? |
| 14:49.54 | joepublic | dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 14:49.54 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /path/to/file! |
| 14:49.55 | wyre | I would like to know why some files owned by docker are not removed when I uninstall it |
| 14:50.25 | petn-randall | wyre: docker from Debian, or docker from their upstream repo? |
| 14:50.26 | ham5urg | wyre, did you use --purge? |
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| 14:51.36 | wyre | petn-randall, docker from Debian |
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| 14:51.52 | wyre | ham5urg, oh, yes, but apparently also there exist docker.io as a package ð¤ |
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| 14:55.04 | wyre | also, ... I've tried to disable rm usage in sudoers |
| 14:55.09 | ikonia | don't suppose anyone running Debian 10 could just verify if uid 1000 is in use on a default install |
| 14:55.13 | ikonia | or if it's unallocated |
| 14:55.20 | ikonia | save me doing an install to check |
| 14:55.27 | wyre | I've created an Cmnd_Alias but didn't work |
| 14:55.41 | annadane | i think it uses 1000. i just don't know how to check |
| 14:55.42 | wyre | despite of I've added the alias to %sudo line |
| 14:55.56 | ikonia | annadane: grep 1000 /etc/passwd |
| 14:56.17 | annadane | yeah, it shows up under my user |
| 14:56.22 | ikonia | annadane: perfect, that makes sense |
| 14:56.26 | ikonia | first new user grabs 1000 |
| 14:56.28 | ikonia | amazing |
| 14:56.33 | ikonia | just what I needed, appreciated |
| 14:56.50 | annadane | (i also can't believe i didn't remember to check /etc/passwd, but anyway) |
| 14:56.57 | annadane | !pal annadane |
| 14:56.57 | dpkg | points at annadane and laughs uproariously |
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| 15:00.36 | GeneralStupid | ham5urg: it depends ÃD |
| 15:00.50 | GeneralStupid | ham5urg: now i have to thing about the cooling of that old device -.- |
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| 15:35.08 | wyre | this is my sudoers file |
| 15:35.10 | wyre | http://ix.io/2kjx |
| 15:35.38 | wyre | I'd say it should blacklist the rm to prevent its use |
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| 15:37.42 | somiaj | wyre: what is to stop someone from cp /usr/bin/rm $HOME/totaly_not_rm and then using that binary with sudo? |
| 15:37.50 | somiaj | blacklisting doesn't really do much in essence |
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| 15:39.31 | somiaj | also python, or other programing langauges, or text editors can also delete files if ran as root |
| 15:39.46 | wyre | oh, somiaj is not a security matter |
| 15:39.51 | wyre | just because to prevent myself |
| 15:39.53 | wyre | of a baduse |
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| 15:39.56 | wyre | I prefer trash-put |
| 15:40.25 | wyre | so I want to create a 'del' alias to 'trash-put' |
| 15:40.28 | wyre | and disable 'rm' |
| 15:41.01 | somiaj | another option is have your own rm script in /usr/local/bin that does trash-put for you |
| 15:41.22 | somiaj | since the /usr/local/bin/rm would take presence over /usr/bin/rm, and you could still use the /usr/bin/rm if ever you wrote out the full path |
| 15:41.35 | somiaj | (though others might be surprised if they use your system and wanted to really rm something) |
| 15:42.04 | somiaj | well othes and maybe scripts, so probably not a good idea in the long run |
| 15:42.47 | wyre | somiaj, well, all of this started because I usually create an alias also for rm, something like 'echo Use 'del' or the full path i.e. '/bin/rm'' |
| 15:43.16 | wyre | for both users, root and wyre |
| 15:43.42 | wyre | and I'd say this does work as expected in zsh but not in fish |
| 15:43.58 | wyre | because fish uses functions as aliases |
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| 15:44.45 | wyre | and I can create those aliases for wyre and root but I'm still able to combine 'sudo rm' |
| 15:44.57 | wyre | and I'm not getting the warning |
| 15:44.58 | somiaj | well same issue with the alias if all root shells get it, you can mess up system scripts who try to remove something and end up not |
| 15:45.06 | miskatonic | whereas tcsh abuses aliases as functions |
| 15:45.29 | somiaj | sudo doesn't use the full enviorment of the user that ran it, so it wouldnt get aliases. |
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| 15:45.59 | somiaj | Though I guess I don't really remove stuff I don't want to, another solution is to have a good backup, so you can just recover stuff from the backup instead of have a trash |
| 15:46.13 | wyre | somiaj, then there is not way to prevent totally a bad rm usage! |
| 15:46.21 | somiaj | the few times I've accidently removed the wrong thing, recovering it from the backup was my solution. |
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| 15:47.09 | somiaj | wyre: I think you have to be careful and consider the consequences of how it affects scripts (mostly dpkg scripts that remove stuff on removal or other system scripts) |
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| 15:48.20 | wyre | somiaj, so ... do you suggest that I'd have to get used to use just my del alias and forget about rm aliases? |
| 15:48.34 | wyre | could I keep at least the alias in my user? |
| 15:49.02 | deb | fuck you wyre ...am not doing sudo rm -rf / |
| 15:49.40 | somiaj | wyre: I think as your user it should be safe, but I would be careful about root and how it affects system scripts. |
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| 15:49.44 | wyre | deb, lol, imagine you want delete something in ./ but you forget the . |
| 15:50.21 | somiaj | wyre: personally I would just learn how to use rm correctly, and if you create regular backups using rysnc, you have a backup in case you delete something you shouldn't have. |
| 15:50.48 | wyre | somiaj, and could I not prevent other users to use rm through sudo? |
| 15:50.55 | wyre | just my particular user |
| 15:51.08 | wyre | but ... why not all users in sudo group ð¤ |
| 15:51.16 | wyre | ? |
| 15:51.50 | dvs | wyre, then you write a sudo line for your user instead of using the %sudo group |
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| 15:52.35 | somiaj | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/42757/make-rm-move-to-trash -- I also like the comment here, "It has the risk of getting used to the semantics of your "new rm" and performing commands with fatal consequences when working on other people's systems" -- so not learning how to use rm responsiblity could have consequences when you aren't on your system any longer |
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| 15:53.13 | somiaj | ,i trash-cli |
| 15:53.14 | judd | Package trash-cli (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: command line trashcan utility. Version: 0.17.1.14-2; Size: 25.3k; Installed: 110k; Homepage: https://github.com/andreafrancia/trash-cli |
| 15:54.06 | wyre | dvs, that makes sense |
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| 15:54.21 | wyre | inside sudoers, do you mean? |
| 15:55.08 | dvs | yes |
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| 15:55.31 | somiaj | there is already a trash-rm utility, you can install and use, I would just train yourself to get use to that, and keep backups, vs train yourself that rm is safe to use |
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| 15:57.29 | wyre | somiaj, I don't get trash-rm |
| 15:57.45 | wyre | I mean, I've got it ... but ... what's its purpose? |
| 15:57.58 | wyre | it requires a PATTERN? |
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| 15:58.34 | wyre | oh, remove files that maches with the PATTERN from trash |
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| 15:58.58 | wyre | apparently this is not to train xD |
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| 15:59.02 | somiaj | wyre: trash-cli is a package that contains a set of tools like trash-rm, list-trash, empty-trash, restore-trash, so you don't have to write your own 'del' tool |
| 15:59.15 | somiaj | so you can trash-rm /path/to/file |
| 15:59.21 | wyre | somiaj, ofc, del is just a short alias for trash-put |
| 15:59.33 | wyre | but when I'm managing the trash I'm using those other |
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| 16:00.09 | somiaj | But I do like that comment, best get use to the command as stated, in case you are on an envirment or system that doens't have your customizations |
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| 16:10.03 | wyre | dvs, why do you think this sudoers is not working? http://ix.io/2kjY |
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| 16:10.53 | warsoul | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144177/ |
| 16:11.40 | dvs | wyre, I'm not saying that it's not working. I'm saying that if you only want one user to be affected, then put that specific user in the sudoers file, not the whole %sudo group |
| 16:11.49 | somiaj | nvidia-installer-cleanup is not required, you could just remove that package, espically since it probably has cleaned up yoru system. |
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| 16:12.14 | wyre | dvs, yes, but I'm not getting it working, that's my point ð |
| 16:13.06 | dvs | wyre, personally, I'd put a script/alias for rm in the /usr/local/bin directory. |
| 16:13.44 | jmcnaught | what about mv? |
| 16:14.17 | warsoul | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144180/ |
| 16:14.32 | wyre | dvs script? alias? |
| 16:14.38 | wyre | I don't get you |
| 16:14.52 | somiaj | wyre: I said to remove the nvidia-installer-cleanup, but you should learn to read this output and inturprit it yoruself. |
| 16:14.54 | dvs | wyre, you don't know what a script file is? |
| 16:15.18 | wyre | dvs, yes, but an alias? |
| 16:15.50 | wyre | and what interpreter for the scirpt? bash? |
| 16:15.50 | dvs | wyre, a soft link to your desired replacement. |
| 16:16.30 | wyre | dvs, something like 'ln -s /usr/bin/trash-put rm' inside /usr/local/bin ? |
| 16:16.39 | dvs | yes |
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| 16:18.34 | wyre | dvs, why is using this before than /usr/bin/rm? |
| 16:18.42 | wyre | because PATH? |
| 16:18.58 | dvs | yes |
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| 16:24.54 | wyre | dvs, anyway is not being using the one from /usr/local/bin when I introduce sudo |
| 16:25.02 | wyre | so ... this is exactly the same than an alias |
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| 16:25.15 | wyre | is not solving the issue ð |
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| 16:25.34 | wyre | s/is not being using/is not being used/ |
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| 16:27.45 | wyre | oh, it was because it had not execution permission ;-) |
| 16:28.05 | joepublic | along with because path |
| 16:28.16 | wyre | the symlink did work as expected and my script apparently is doing well after have been granted execution permissions |
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| 16:36.47 | wyre | this way is also preventing root user to execute rm ð¤ |
| 16:36.59 | wyre | it will affect also scripts? |
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| 16:38.05 | somiaj | it depends on the PATH the script uses |
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| 16:38.14 | somiaj | personally I would avoid what you are doing and just learn how to use rm correctly |
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| 16:39.31 | wyre | what do you mean with "how to use rm correctly"? |
| 16:40.00 | wyre | I know how is rm used, but I don't want a typo causing destruction ð |
| 16:40.16 | wyre | at least I know the risks of rm usage, I mean |
| 16:41.20 | wyre | and I cannot afford another HDD to do backups .. |
| 16:42.34 | miskatonic | the put it up for anonymous ftp and let the whole world mirror your server ... as suggested by Linus Torvalds over 20 years ago |
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| 16:46.24 | somiaj | wyre: as I menteiond from the post, if you train yourself that this custom rm script is common, if you are on a system that doesn't have it, you may find yoruself in a worse case, vs undersatnding rm is permanat and to be careful before using it. |
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| 16:50.19 | wyre | somiaj, so do your recommend me to use always trash-put or rm (being careful) |
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| 16:51.11 | somiaj | wyre: I would, as this would transfer to other systems better |
| 16:51.39 | somiaj | if you are in the habbit of always typing trash-rm to remove things, if you are on a system without trash-rm, then you get an error that command is not found, you can either install it or realize oh I have to be careful. |
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| 16:52.03 | somiaj | while if you are in the habbit of rm telling you to use trash-rm, you may not fully train yourself and end up deleting something on another system without meaning too |
| 16:52.48 | wyre | it would be trash-put instead trash-rm, but I think I get your point |
| 16:52.52 | somiaj | Your stoping rm from working with sudo and alias rm may work to help train yourself, but if you have a safety net, you may not fully train. |
| 16:53.00 | wyre | trash-rm is to remove thing from inside trash |
| 16:53.23 | somiaj | ahh, thanks, I was just going off a post that said alias rm with trash-rm, so I assumed that was what it did, I don't use such tools |
| 16:54.29 | wyre | I found them more safety when I'm removing personal files from cli |
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| 16:55.43 | somiaj | I understand the reasoning, just trying to point out some counter agguments. Anyways, your system, do what you like. |
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| 16:56.18 | somiaj | but as for backups, you should take them regardless, 'data that isn't copied to three different mediums can be considered lost', what happens if your hd fails, your machine burns down, etc |
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| 17:01.59 | wyre | somiaj, what about an alias for rm as root? |
| 17:02.06 | wyre | that would affect scripts? |
| 17:02.43 | somiaj | wyre: It depends on what shell the root scripts are using. so it isn't a clear cut question, but yes if the alias was present it could have consequences of leaving stuff on your system you told dpkg to remove |
| 17:03.21 | wyre | somiaj, the root shell is fish |
| 17:03.26 | wyre | as the mine |
| 17:05.11 | somiaj | not always, many system scripts will be running in dash |
| 17:05.26 | somiaj | what about cron, or other scripts that happen from services |
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| 17:12.33 | wsky | is there anything special i need to do to keep my stretch under long term support? |
| 17:12.59 | somiaj | you don't have to change anything to get LTS support for stretch |
| 17:13.32 | somiaj | do note that for desktop users, you do loose security support of some software. The webbrowser being the biggest, I know one of chormium/firefox-esr is no longer supported in stretch. |
| 17:15.01 | ratrace | latest FF can be installed via snaps |
| 17:15.32 | somiaj | and google-chrome can be installed in stretch via google's repo, you just won't get support from debian. |
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| 17:21.54 | miskatonic | what is not supported in Stretch? |
| 17:22.00 | jmcnaught | somiaj: as far as I know firefox-esr is still supported on stretch (it's not listed in /usr/share/debian-security-support/security-support-ended.deb9, but chromium is) |
| 17:22.30 | jmcnaught | the package debian-security-support has the files that list support status, and a check-security-status command |
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| 17:32.19 | ham5urg | How is apt-listchanges invoked/called from unattended-updates? |
| 17:32.45 | Agiofws | hello |
| 17:33.25 | ham5urg | Man, I should read manual pages more serious: Please note that in the default installation if apt-listchanges is run during upgrades as an APT plugin, it displays NEWS.Debian entries only. This can be changed with the --which option. |
| 17:35.12 | ham5urg | https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#apt-listchanges is mentioning listchange.conf. The package wont install such conf-file. Is this intentional? |
| 17:35.42 | Agiofws | i have just upgraded to buster but i can't install wine i have unmet dependencies winehq-staging : Depends: wine-staging (= 5.7~buster) Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 17:35.51 | ham5urg | Ahh, not in /etc but in /etc/apt. Good |
| 17:36.00 | Agiofws | i need some help |
| 17:37.04 | annadane | Agiofws, winehq has specific instructions for debian users |
| 17:37.08 | annadane | one second |
| 17:37.26 | annadane | https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian "The WineHQ packages for Debian 10 and later require libfaudio0 as a dependency. Since the distro does not provide it for Debian 10, users of that version can download libfaudio0 packages from the OBS. See https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192 for details." |
| 17:38.10 | Agiofws | i have tried but i'm going to once again |
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| 17:38.51 | annadane | otherwise, i find aptitude is a good way to *investigate* - not blindly accept its proposals - dependency issues |
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| 17:39.25 | somiaj | jmcnaught: I know there was a DSA that annoucned the end of support for one of them, I forget what one, thanks for the update. |
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| 17:40.05 | Agiofws | annadane, i think installing wine through the link and what i've read through the post ist still a mess |
| 17:41.28 | annadane | i've only installed wine-stable, not staging |
| 17:41.35 | annadane | so i can't vouch |
| 17:41.40 | somiaj | Agiofws: do you really need the newest wine, debian does provide wine and wine-devlopment that works for many things |
| 17:42.07 | jmcnaught | Agiofws: that error looks like a problem with winehq.org's third-party repository, but I noticed on their Debian wiki page that they say to use "--install-recommends"⦠do you maybe have recommends disabled. Also I agree with ^, why not use the Debian provided packages? |
| 17:42.49 | somiaj | Agiofws: as for your issue, can you paste the output of apt policy (wonder if winehq is pinning its repo like buster-backports) |
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| 17:58.56 | Agiofws | somiaj, i need to paste some output is there a debian paste site? |
| 17:59.28 | annadane | paste.debian.net |
| 17:59.47 | Agiofws | somiaj, annadane https://paste.debian.net/1144190/ |
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| 18:01.41 | Agiofws | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144191/ |
| 18:01.47 | somiaj | Agiofws: output of apt policy and apt policy wine-staging |
| 18:02.10 | annadane | wait, really? |
| 18:02.12 | somiaj | Agiofws: do you have multiarch enabled? |
| 18:02.15 | annadane | opensuse, not winehq? |
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| 18:02.22 | annadane | also yeah, you need multiarch |
| 18:02.37 | somiaj | annadane: opensuse has debian repos hostsed there, that shoudl'tn be an issue, notice the Debain_10 at the end |
| 18:02.40 | Kurogane | livecd come with gui? |
| 18:03.08 | Agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1144192/ apt policy |
| 18:03.10 | annadane | libfaudio mentioned before, has 64 bit and 32 bit versions, which you'll know if you read what i posted earlier, Agiofws, maybe that's also partially the issue |
| 18:03.20 | annadane | somiaj, yeah i know i'm just surprised it came from there |
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| 18:04.22 | Agiofws | what should i do? |
| 18:05.20 | somiaj | webmin *shutters* |
| 18:05.28 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.29 | somiaj | Agiofws: I asked for the output of a second apt policy command too |
| 18:05.43 | somiaj | Agiofws: yes, you need i386 support for wine |
| 18:06.00 | Agiofws | somiaj, i did ? |
| 18:06.07 | Agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1144192/ apt policy somiaj ? |
| 18:06.13 | somiaj | anyways that policy is a mess in my mind. It probably works, but webmin, dmo, lots of third party sources can start to cause issues. |
| 18:06.31 | Agiofws | should i remove webmin ? |
| 18:06.36 | warsoul | somiaj, you got the pastebin? |
| 18:06.38 | somiaj | that is not the second apt policy command I asked for |
| 18:06.49 | somiaj | warsoul: did you remove nvidia-installer-cleanup package? |
| 18:06.54 | miskatonic | webmin is unsupported since a few years |
| 18:06.57 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 18:06.57 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:07.20 | somiaj | Agiofws: you are using an old repo from sarge for a piece of software that is known to be terrible and full of security holes. Though I doubt this has issues with your current problem. |
| 18:07.25 | warsoul | somiaj y did upgrade it says to remove it i said YES |
| 18:07.34 | warsoul | but got an error |
| 18:07.36 | warsoul | look |
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| 18:07.43 | warsoul | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144180/ |
| 18:07.45 | somiaj | warsoul: I might have missed your last output, but really you need to learn how to read and intrupit things here. |
| 18:08.04 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.47 | warsoul | there is the pastebin of the error |
| 18:08.48 | somiaj | warsoul: I saw that, and no you did not remove the package. 'apt remove nvidia-installer-cleanup', we should try to get to a poitn I don't have to type out each and every command you need |
| 18:09.29 | somiaj | Agiofws: where is the second apt policy wine-staging I asked for |
| 18:09.44 | warsoul | somiaj, debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 18:09.50 | somiaj | Agiofws: webmin isn't the issue here, but with looking at your sources.list, it apepars you like to mix a lot of things which could cause problems. |
| 18:10.29 | Agiofws | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144194/ |
| 18:10.31 | somiaj | warsoul: have you tried to reboot, you have your system in some crazy state due to closing a terminal while running apt the last time, and I don't really have the time to guide you through every step |
| 18:10.40 | somiaj | warsoul: maybe someone else will help you |
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| 18:11.24 | somiaj | Agiofws: you can try apt install wine-staging, but you are going to head down a rabit hole and figure out what conflict is preventing this package from installing. |
| 18:11.34 | warsoul | somiaj, :s |
| 18:12.17 | Agiofws | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/1144196/ |
| 18:12.19 | somiaj | Agiofws: so if wine-staging doens't install, repeate the process of figuring out what packages are causing problems, use apt policy pkgname and then try to install the depends that are causing problems, eventaully you should run into exactly what package is causing problems due to the version on your system or the version it wants to install not matching what the software depends on |
| 18:12.55 | somiaj | again it appears to be a multiarch problem, but now try wine-staging-i386, and keep going until you figure out what package is causing the problem |
| 18:13.16 | somiaj | first use apt policy to see if it is even isntallable |
| 18:13.56 | warsoul | somiaj, you are a really good helper |
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| 18:14.11 | Agiofws | https://paste.debian.net/1144197/ somiaj |
| 18:14.20 | somiaj | I'm also a really good procstranator, I should really be doing my actual work |
| 18:14.50 | dvs | narcs on somiaj |
| 18:15.01 | somiaj | Agiofws: keep going down the list and pay attention to the output you get. You need to figure out what package is causing the actual conflict |
| 18:15.05 | warsoul | lol |
| 18:15.14 | Agiofws | i don't get it |
| 18:15.34 | somiaj | you now have a list of 4-5 more packages that can't be installed, you need to keep digging until you find the actual conflict |
| 18:15.35 | Agiofws | i upgraded to buster and my system is broken? |
| 18:16.02 | somiaj | you are mixing various thrid party repos, which can cause conflicts |
| 18:16.25 | somiaj | You need to track down the actul package/confict before you can see what the real problem is |
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| 18:17.01 | somiaj | it could be a pacakge on your system, it could be the fact one of these thrid party repos provides a newer version of a package that the older version is needed to satsify some dependency |
| 18:17.20 | somiaj | you need to use a combination of apt policy packagename and go down the rabbit hole of depends to find out where the actual conflict is |
| 18:18.06 | somiaj | it could be you have 'held broken packages', though I find that error not fully correct, it just means apt cannot fix the issue, so you must find it and fix it manually |
| 18:19.05 | Agiofws | maybe synaptic would but thats broken as well |
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| 18:20.13 | somiaj | it is due to conlicts in your sources, probably due to mixing repos. But until you track dwon the actual cause, this is only spectulation. |
| 18:20.16 | Agiofws | Package libunistring0:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 18:20.30 | Agiofws | ok i have to go |
| 18:20.35 | somiaj | ,v libunistring0 |
| 18:20.36 | judd | Package: libunistring0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.3-5.2+b1; stretch: 0.9.6+really0.9.3-0.1 |
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| 18:20.50 | Agiofws | BUT thank you for your advice |
| 18:20.51 | somiaj | that package was removed after stretch, what do you have that stil depends on that, you might be getting closer |
| 18:21.12 | Agiofws | apt policy libunistring0 ? |
| 18:21.51 | somiaj | in this case you need to figure out why that package is on your system still, 'aptitude why libunistring0' or what package depends on it and is trying to pull it in? |
| 18:21.59 | Agiofws | thank you somiaj and annadane |
| 18:22.07 | Agiofws | maybe tomorrow |
| 18:22.10 | somiaj | anyways, this is why we don't really support mixing here, it can be a pain as you have seen |
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| 18:44.12 | warsoul | somiaj, just reboot upgrade now working :) |
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| 18:52.57 | Kurogane | Anyone can explain me why i can't getting work port local address in apache? https://bpaste.net/raw/VU7Q |
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| 19:12.34 | boredtobonesbyco | let's say I'm without GUI, with 2 ttys one with irssi and the other with elinks, and I want to copy a string of elinks to irssi and have gpm activated. How do I do it? |
| 19:13.16 | boredtobonesbyco | do gpm works across ttys? |
| 19:13.34 | greycat | Well, if gpm is installed, you should be able to copy and paste with the mouse on the Linux console. Or at least, that's how it worked 20 years ago, which was the last time I actually saw gpm. |
| 19:14.02 | inerkick | Hi. I have an issue installing postgres. kindly help. Getting this error. https://pastebin.com/0W536Udv |
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| 19:14.16 | g0zzy | Since (i think) i plugged an additional monitor into this laptop, my mate desktop under Debian got borked. Looks like the monitor settings have perhaps gone queer as the font is boldish and elongated. I tried to reset it with dconf (dconf-cli) to no avail. It doesn't happen when i log in as a different user. What's the best way to restore default? |
| 19:15.49 | g0zzy | An update to that. I just copied the ~/.config/dconf/user from the working to the non-working user and it had no effect on the problem |
| 19:19.07 | boredtobonesbyco | g0zzy: If I can say, at home, I have a huge HD TV that I replace for the 2 monitors, I put it in the maximum resolution of the GPU and it looks great and better |
| 19:20.18 | boredtobonesbyco | and simpler to config |
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| 19:23.19 | g0zzy | boredtobonesbyco: thanks but that is a rare use case for me |
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| 19:26.50 | inerkick | Hi. I have an issue installing postgres. kindly help. Getting this error. https://pastebin.com/0W536Udv |
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| 19:28.22 | ikonia | inerkick: you're installing a package from (I assume) an external source that is not compatible with your current dependencies |
| 19:28.56 | greycat | judd v postgresql |
| 19:28.57 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; bullseye: 12+214; sid: 12+214 |
| 19:29.50 | inerkick | up |
| 19:29.52 | inerkick | yup |
| 19:30.21 | inerkick | i was following this ikonia https://www.vultr.com/docs/how-to-install-elixir-and-phoenix-framework-on-ubuntu-16-04 |
| 19:30.31 | ikonia | you're not using ubuntu |
| 19:30.37 | ikonia | and it's a random guide off the internet |
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| 19:30.56 | ikonia | if that guide doesn't work - contact the guide author and ask him why |
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| 19:31.36 | inerkick | even i followed this method ikonia https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ |
| 19:31.42 | ikonia | right ? |
| 19:31.48 | greycat | If you want to install postgresql in Debian, you type "apt install postgresql" or some variant thereof. And you get the stable version that was tested and released with your stable version of Debian. No "guide" needed. |
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| 19:32.28 | inerkick | i have followed the one given in https://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ and with buster version itself |
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| 19:32.31 | DanteD | Can I still use wheezy mirrors? I'm getting 404 not found |
| 19:32.33 | inerkick | that's the reason i came in here |
| 19:32.56 | ikonia | it doesn't seem it |
| 19:32.57 | greycat | !wheezy sources.list |
| 19:32.57 | dpkg | Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb http://archive.debian.org/debian wheezy main». Be sure to run «apt-get update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and «man sources.list». |
| 19:33.01 | ikonia | as it appears your trying to use something that is unsable and not tested |
| 19:33.15 | ikonia | that's different than just typing apt install postgresql |
| 19:33.52 | inerkick | even that is giving me the same error |
| 19:33.57 | inerkick | is what i mean to point out |
| 19:34.06 | DanteD | greycat: thanks |
| 19:34.17 | ikonia | I have no idea what else you will have updated trying to install the unsupported version |
| 19:34.21 | ikonia | so basically, fix the dependencies |
| 19:34.33 | g0zzy | All ok now i think - it seems that it had jumped into some different monitor setting |
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| 19:34.45 | inerkick | libkf5coreaddons5 : Breaks: libkf5auth5 (< 5.54) but 5.28.0-2+deb9u1 is to be installed |
| 19:34.52 | inerkick | that's what i was getting error in all the cases |
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| 19:35.00 | ikonia | yeah, I read the paste |
| 19:35.09 | ikonia | what repo supplied that package |
| 19:35.18 | ikonia | and what other sources do you have enabled |
| 19:35.22 | ikonia | that is what you need to look at |
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| 19:48.22 | cuddylier | I made a LACP bond (802.3ad) of 2 x 1Gb links in Debian 10 which is seeing expected performance of 2Gb but outbound traffic is only going via a single uplink despite traffic going to multiple destination IPs. My interfaces config file is here: https://pastebin.com/raw/Ey4WAcNg and 'ip route' output here: https://pastebin.com/raw/EKKwvWZa Anyone any ideas why I see this? |
| 19:48.29 | sponix2ipfw | you all are just breaking Debian by attempting to snag software from outside sources that doesn't even match your main Debian version. Should be looking into the Synaptic package manager 1st and using what is already provided, before even starting to search elsewhere |
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| 20:09.01 | mason | Or use LXC or similar. |
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| 20:12.28 | cyveris | cuddylier: You might want to change the xmit-hash-policy parameter to get a bit better load balancing. |
| 20:13.01 | cuddylier | cyveris: Is it normal though for there to be zero load balancing on the outbound? The inbound load balances perfectly but maybe this is how it's designed? |
| 20:13.25 | cyveris | cuddylier: The default xmit-hash-policy parameter bases solely on MAC, not IP. |
| 20:13.37 | cyveris | cuddylier: Set it to 'layer3+4' and you'll most likely notice much better balancing. |
| 20:14.02 | cuddylier | cyveris: Ah okay, thanks for the tip :) |
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| 20:14.35 | invra | xarchiver doesnt support rar extraction with password? |
| 20:14.55 | invra | i think it was automatically installed with the xfce task |
| 20:16.44 | invra | well the package description says it does support rar password extraction.. but when i try it doesnt... its a rar divided in parts... might be cause of that? |
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| 20:45.14 | LostInTheShell | Hiall, it's me tyzef..... guys, I had tried many things, everythings? my wifi card Atheros AR9285 card don't comes UP..... should I give up? but the netinstall make it work ! why ? how ? no idea, I am just here and there, in between wlp2s0 and the kernel, lost in the shell... |
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| 20:46.13 | somiaj | What are you using to configure your network? network-manager? |
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| 20:49.16 | LostInTheShell | I tried wicd, no way, Bionic Puppy, no way..... this wifi card can connect to my smartphone hotspot from puppy(my only live USB) but can't connect to my kind of box "huawei B612s-25d |
| 20:50.33 | LostInTheShell | 'wicd on buster and puppy scann my box but can't connect..... only the buster netinstall connect to it, only during the install |
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| 20:50.46 | LostInTheShell | that netinstall is like superman ! |
| 20:52.17 | somiaj | puppy? |
| 20:52.27 | somiaj | !puppylinux |
| 20:52.27 | dpkg | Puppy Linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.puppylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:52.33 | LostInTheShell | yes bionic puppy en usb pendrive |
| 20:52.54 | LostInTheShell | yes it was just to test you know |
| 20:53.40 | somiaj | well it sounds like we have tried to track down the issue as best as we could in the past. You don't have some issue with a softblock, have you checked rfkill? |
| 20:54.08 | somiaj | and by doens't come up, do y ou see the card in 'ip addr'? |
| 20:54.10 | LostInTheShell | I don't know how to use rfkill |
| 20:54.23 | LostInTheShell | yes I see it |
| 20:54.29 | somiaj | you iinstall it and run it, it will tell you if you have any soft or hardblocks on the network |
| 20:54.38 | somiaj | so you see the interface in 'ip a' but you don't see it in network-manager? |
| 20:54.57 | LostInTheShell | oops, I am on minimal debian, no gui |
| 20:55.13 | LostInTheShell | nothing is there on my debian |
| 20:55.34 | somiaj | do you configure the network via /etc/apt/interfaces then (well you said you tried wicd, so thinking you were using a guid) |
| 20:55.48 | somiaj | on common issue is trying to use a gui while having the network configured in /etc/network/interfaces from the installer |
| 20:56.04 | LostInTheShell | ip addr I see my wlp2s0 and it say satate DOWN |
| 20:56.27 | LostInTheShell | i use openbox |
| 20:56.28 | invra | well the package description says it does support rar password extraction.. but when i try it doesnt... its a rar divided in parts... might be cause of that? |
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| 20:56.34 | LostInTheShell | and tint2 |
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| 20:58.00 | LostInTheShell | I had tried to configure with /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:58.54 | LostInTheShell | on the web so many people have the same issue as me |
| 20:59.41 | LostInTheShell | I also need to read this but it's blocked for me : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=135638 |
| 21:00.12 | LostInTheShell | first I will read at rfkill and try to make it |
| 21:00.46 | LostInTheShell | guys I am really sorry, it's 6days now I am stuck on it |
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| 21:17.11 | tyzef | somiaj, frkill is now installed via ADSL |
| 21:19.51 | tyzef | no blocking from rfkill list |
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| 21:20.26 | tyzef | 0: phy0: Wireless LAN |
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| 21:20.52 | longears | Any maintainers of `i2pd`? |
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| 21:21.29 | jhutchins | longears: Generally maintainers don't hang out in the support channels. Your best bet is email. |
| 21:22.31 | longears | jhutchins: Thanks. Was just hoping there would be an exception this time :) |
| 21:23.44 | somiaj | longears: what are you looking for? If you have a bug, a bug report vs emailing the matainer directly is prefered |
| 21:24.53 | longears | somiaj: Just saw a line in logs and thought I'd bring a suggestion to avoid it. I'll just email the maintainer later tonight. |
| 21:25.17 | somiaj | tyzef: it could be a kernel difference why it works in puppy but not debian. Usually people have good expereince ath9k, maybe your hardware isn't functioning properly, and due to differences in the kernel that issue manifests in debian. |
| 21:25.26 | somiaj | longears: you should file a wishlist bug vs emailing them directly. |
| 21:26.01 | longears | somiaj: Ah, thanks. Sorry, never dealt with mainteiners before :) |
| 21:26.37 | somiaj | longears: in general debian prefers using the bug system to log/keep track of issues with packages, this sounds like a wishlist bug to me, and provide a patch if you have a fix. |
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| 21:27.30 | somiaj | though it also might be a minor bug, maybe this is something small issue that could be fixed, vs an option you wish would change, after re-reading your issue, a minor bug might be more reasonable. |
| 21:28.06 | somiaj | bugs.debian.org will describe the process to report bugs and how they are classified |
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| 21:28.54 | tyzef | sorry somiaj, I may had not explained properly. debian10+wicd, debian10+wpasupplicant, debian10+networkmanager, puppy..... no one can connect to my box... the only way I got congratulation is during the network configuration in NetInstall Debian10, and it worked only for the install... once debian installed... the end |
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| 21:29.37 | tyzef | and all can connect to my smartphone hotspot |
| 21:29.56 | jhutchins | tyzef: Network Manager has a CLI interface. |
| 21:30.08 | jhutchins | tyzef: Have you checked for missing firmware? |
| 21:30.27 | jhutchins | tyzef: wicd not working is pretty much expected. |
| 21:31.15 | tyzef | yes checked, no missing software |
| 21:31.19 | longears | Thanks, will deal with it tonight :) |
| 21:31.28 | somiaj | tyzef: your hardware might just be going bad, I personally would get a new wifi card if possible |
| 21:31.46 | somiaj | also there are ways to use open firmware on the ath9k card, unsure if looking into that is something you want to try. |
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| 21:32.45 | jhutchins | !ar9285 |
| 21:32.45 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <carl9170>. |
| 21:32.59 | somiaj | are you able to relabily get the card to work inside the netinstaller? Or was it just one time. If the netinstaller always gets it, you may need to start digging through dmesg and see if you can spot any differnces, though in debian the netinstaller should be using the same kernel, so I can't think of any differences that could arise. |
| 21:33.43 | somiaj | jhutchins: I don't agree with 'completely free', it just doesn't use userland non-free firmware, but it does have firmware on the chip. Though with ath9k_htc you can aperntally use fully open firmware on that card. |
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| 21:34.07 | tyzef | yes but if so my hardware is bad, why debian netinstall can do what others can't? this is...... I don't know |
| 21:34.29 | somiaj | tyzef: does it work in the net install each and every time. |
| 21:34.30 | somiaj | ? |
| 21:35.05 | tyzef | I really would like to see what this netinstall do to connect to my box, it have the secret, yet it's a software, we can't have a coffee together |
| 21:35.29 | tyzef | yes whenever I tried it worked |
| 21:35.45 | jhutchins | tyzef: have you pastebinned your cofig files? |
| 21:36.10 | somiaj | tyzef: the only thing I can think of is the netinstall is a bit more minimial of an enviorment, but it uses the exact same kernel, so this seems odd |
| 21:36.34 | somiaj | I would start by taking a log of dmesg from inside the netinstall after the card is up and working and then compare it to debian install it isn't working and look for differences. |
| 21:37.06 | somiaj | actually it probably uses a slightly older kernel. Wonder if trying to downgrade to the exact kernel the netinstaller used would help |
| 21:37.32 | somiaj | there have been a few security patches since the netinstall kernel was made, and sometimes kernels cause regressions |
| 21:38.03 | tyzef | can I try with debian9, I have an iso |
| 21:38.23 | tyzef | hey, ayyoooo ..... I have a xfce debianb 9 iso |
| 21:38.31 | somiaj | go right ahead, but what I would be intersted in would be the output of dmesg and the kernel the netinstall is using in which it works |
| 21:38.34 | tyzef | maybe I should try it |
| 21:38.37 | somiaj | then compare that to a place it doesn't |
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| 21:39.50 | tyzef | yes, now the thing is I have no idea how to get output of dmesg and the kernel of the netinstall? |
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| 21:40.25 | somiaj | hit ctrl-alt-f2 after you get past the network stage |
| 21:40.37 | somiaj | this opens up a terminal, dmesg will then work |
| 21:40.42 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | How do I fix an error where a program tries to listen to 127.0.0.1:0 but the operation is not permitted? |
| 21:40.43 | somiaj | though you'll have to have some usbdrive or place to write a file to |
| 21:41.09 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram2: what program is trying to listen on port 0, I think you have configured it wrong. |
| 21:41.09 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | I've already asked the forum related to this program (Aether), but nobody has responded for days |
| 21:41.29 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | somiaj: Aether, https://meta.getaether.net/t/aether-shows-a-spinning-circle-never-starts-up-and-shows-a-repeating-error-message-in-the-terminal/367 |
| 21:41.48 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | I haven't configured it, just installed it with snapd and it won't finish starting up |
| 21:42.01 | jmspeex | Anyone can help me with my newly installed Debian server that keeps auto-suspending by itself? |
| 21:42.29 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram2: sounds like a bug in the snap, which we can't fully support. See if you can configure that software and tell what port to listen on. |
| 21:42.47 | somiaj | jmspeex: that is strange, do you have a DE installed on that? |
| 21:43.00 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | When does it auto-suspend? |
| 21:43.12 | tyzef | well somiaj, thank you so much, it's a great progress for me ! |
| 21:43.13 | jmspeex | somiaj: yes, I installed gnome to make it easier to configure at first |
| 21:43.22 | tyzef | I come back asap |
| 21:43.54 | somiaj | jmspeex: go check gnome's power management/configuration tools, that is most likely what is auto suspending. |
| 21:44.29 | jmspeex | somiaj: Yes, I can disable that for a user, but when it boots up, there's no user logged-in |
| 21:44.56 | somiaj | does the display manager have any power settings you can set there? |
| 21:46.23 | jmspeex | Not that I can see |
| 21:46.39 | jmspeex | somiaj: ^^ |
| 21:47.01 | somiaj | jmspeex: that is strange, I don't know what could be causing autosuspsend. |
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| 21:47.48 | inthl | I have a very weird problem with ip6tables - but not with iptables. when using some hostname which ip(6)tables would resolve to all IP addresses, then iptables -I INPUT --fobar -s somehostname.com ..works perfectly fine. but doing this with ip6tables fails with the error message ip6tables v1.6.0: host/network `somehostname.com' not found - this happens to *any* hostname, and also I can resolve the IPv6 addresses there perfeclty fine using |
| 21:47.48 | inthl | `host somehostname.com` or `dig somehostname.com` - any ideas what this is all about? or where/how ip6tables fetches the addresses. the host is perfectly fine with ipv6, also other services like httpd do respond to ipv6 requests, pings from-to and vise versa other hosts work as well |
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| 21:48.10 | inthl | the host is debian stretch |
| 21:49.38 | jmspeex | Seems to be related to this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=896083 |
| 21:49.39 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/896083 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: Suspends machine after 20 minutes»; severity: important; opened: 2018-04-19; last modified: 2019-10-24. |
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| 21:50.45 | jmspeex | What I don't understand is how something that obviously wrong can be happening without everyone screeming bloody murder considering that Debian is used on servers a lot. Or am I somehow one of the few affected (why?) |
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| 21:51.38 | somiaj | jmspeex: you could change your default target from graphical.target to multi-user.target and not laod the gdm. |
| 21:51.54 | AndreasLutro | jmspeex: because you installed gnome on a server? |
| 21:52.13 | somiaj | jmspeex: sometimes bugs only affect certain combinations of software installed, and most people running servers dont' also run a gui |
| 21:52.32 | somiaj | but just because there is a bug, it might only affect some hardware/configurations |
| 21:53.09 | jmspeex | somiaj: How do I change the target? |
| 21:53.55 | somiaj | systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 21:54.04 | jmspeex | thanks |
| 21:54.13 | jmspeex | Still pretty bad behaviour -- even for a desktop |
| 21:54.15 | somiaj | then you should no longer boot into gdm, you cuold also remove gdm3 or disalbe it in other ways. |
| 21:54.31 | somiaj | bugs exist, it is reported, and it might only affect some users |
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| 21:56.26 | somiaj | but it appears that this is more a gdm issue than debian (seems fedora has a bug too). My guess is gdm is doing what windows does by default, which I agree, probably isn't best |
| 21:57.02 | somiaj | and it could also on affect certain setups, hence why only a few have responded to that bug report |
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| 22:02.40 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | somiaj: What port should I tell it to use? |
| 22:04.58 | somiaj | Copenhagen_Bram2: depends on the service, though > 1024 for non system services |
| 22:05.07 | Copenhagen_Bram2 | Hmm |
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| 22:25.57 | joepublic | ikhxcsz7y, maybe midori? |
| 22:26.11 | ikhxcsz7y | thanks, will search for it on apt-cache |
| 22:27.23 | ikhxcsz7y | no.. systemd wants libwebkit2gtk which at least gtk3 needs systemd |
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| 22:29.17 | annadane | just thinking of the wine discussions earlier and at other times, where someone wants to use wine from winehq and people keep asking "why not just use debian's", i get a lot better performance out of certain games using winehq's newer wine versions; i do understand debian's general philosophy of "but the old versions work fine" but wanting newer wine is very legitimate |
| 22:29.45 | somiaj | annadane: it totally depends on the games/apps you run. |
| 22:29.53 | annadane | people just have to understand that libfaudio0 isn't in debian stable and they need to get it from OBS |
| 22:30.08 | somiaj | annadane: some games will workt he same in both, some apps will, some apps will work better in older versions of wine (this does happen), some work in newer |
| 22:30.09 | shibboleth | anyone have a favorite software which can manage old ipod/nanos (pre iphone)? |
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| 22:30.35 | ikhxcsz7y | wine64-development 5.5-3 |
| 22:30.45 | tyzef | Baam ! Somiaj, debian9xfce connect on that wifi, it's a great progress ! |
| 22:31.15 | somiaj | might be a kernel regression, tracking down the exact kernel might help |
| 22:31.30 | somiaj | so figure out what kernel the debian 10 netinstall users, and downgrade to that kernel, see if it works, file a regression bug |
| 22:31.48 | tyzef | well |
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| 22:32.02 | tyzef | thank you a lot, I will keep update |
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| 22:36.13 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 22:37.07 | johnfg | I needed more space for /, so, I endeavored to move/mount /var (the main space culprit) to /dev/vg0/lvol3. |
| 22:39.19 | johnfg | Here's what I did: mount /dev/vg0/lvol3 /mnt/temp; 2nd: cp -R /var /mnt/temp; 3rd: mv var var.old; 4th: edited /etc/fstab to add this line: |
| 22:39.24 | pingfloyd | johnfg: why not allocate more PEs to the LV that you're using for /? |
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| 22:40.25 | johnfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.55 | johnfg | pingfloyd: Sorry, what are PE's? |
| 22:41.43 | johnfg | 5th: mkdir /var; 6th: reboot. |
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| 22:43.06 | johnfg | Problem though was that when /dev/vg0/lvol3 was mounted on /var, it gave me /var/var. What did/am I do/doing wrong? |
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| 22:48.37 | somiaj | johnfg: your issue was you copied /var (the directory) to your mount, not /var/* into your mount |
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| 22:50.35 | johnfg | somiaj: You mean, after I'd done `mount /dev/vg0/lvol3 /mnt/temp`, I should have done `cp -R /var/* /mnt/temp`? |
| 22:51.16 | somiaj | johnfg: you can fix this easy enough, mv /var/var/* /var |
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| 22:51.29 | somiaj | johnfg: yes, because you coppied the directory (and its contents) not just the coontents |
| 22:51.53 | johnfg | Yeah, what you say makes sense. I should just remount, remove var, then copy the contents of var? |
| 22:52.52 | somiaj | johnfg: no, just mv /var/var/* /var (or mv /path/to/mount/var/* /path/to/mount/) |
| 22:55.03 | somiaj | then after that rmdir /path/to/mount/var/ |
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| 23:09.40 | hierbat | So apparently Debian Testing has a delay when it comes to security updates for packages |
| 23:09.52 | hierbat | does that have any implication for non-server (desktop) use? |
| 23:10.28 | hierbat | if e.g. there is a vulnerability in one of the packages, is my data/system realistically at risk? |
| 23:10.57 | hierbat | apologies for the basic question but it's hard to wrap my mind around security |
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| 23:12.42 | annadane | really serious fixes tend to get fast-tracked |
| 23:13.03 | annadane | but for a desktop... it depends on your threat model, and we do mostly recommend stable, but i feel one should generally be ok |
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| 23:14.13 | hierbat | okay, so my task is to work out a threat model. Got it, thanks |
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| 23:14.51 | annadane | it looks terrible on paper but i'm not sure the h4x0r's will get you through some security hole, automatically, if you run testing |
| 23:17.07 | annadane | best practices do help |
| 23:17.48 | hierbat | thanks a lot! |
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| 23:20.27 | annadane | hierbat, for specific things, you can generally just install the sid version to get immediate fixes, though this may or may not involve apt pinning, i've never really run any mixed systems |
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| 23:20.42 | annadane | hierbat, if you have further testing/sid questions, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:22.01 | hierbat | annadane: thank you, I'll join. So far I've built some software from source so I could have some recent versions |
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| 23:22.25 | hierbat | annadane: alas I have to be invited |
| 23:22.48 | johnfg | I didn't get this before, when I didn't copy things correctly: cp: cannot overwrite directory '/mnt/temp/run' with non-directory. Should I be concerned? |
| 23:22.48 | annadane | hierbat, oftc, not freenode |
| 23:22.50 | somiaj | hierbat: in general people who want stability and secuirty run stable. |
| 23:23.07 | johnfg | somiaj: I'd acted too quickly to do things the easy way you had mentioned. |
| 23:23.55 | dmnb | Hi, anyone have knowledge about tinyproxy? |
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| 23:24.32 | somiaj | hierbat: most of the issues are local vulns, so if you aren't running any services or have multiple users on the system, webbrowsers are the biggest thing to worry about. |
| 23:24.54 | somiaj | johnfg: are you trying to now cp -R /var/* /mnt/tmp/? |
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| 23:36.50 | hierbat | somiaj: thank you, I'll look into the best web browser package to use in that case |
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| 23:38.53 | annadane | you can also firejail your browser |
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| 23:39.09 | annadane | firefox is most people's go-to |
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