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| 00:18.52 | pileofstraw | pls direct me to the channel about getting my baby to sleep |
| 00:19.23 | pileofstraw | is there a deb |
| 00:19.50 | annadane | lol |
| 00:22.14 | annadane | you have to add the warm milk and rocking crib repository |
| 00:22.18 | annadane | it's in non-free |
| 00:22.47 | sney | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udj-o2m39NA |
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| 00:38.04 | velix | Interesting, Debian doesn't have /etc/dir_colors, but directly `eval`s the output of dircolors. When I need to change the colors for directories, I need to use `sed`. I think, this is a bug. |
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| 00:42.28 | mandeep | i take it wireguard wont be available until bullseye |
| 00:44.14 | dvs | ,v wireguard |
| 00:44.15 | judd | Package: wireguard on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200319-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200319-1; sid: 1.0.20200319-1 |
| 00:44.28 | dvs | It's in backports |
| 00:45.02 | mandeep | awesome |
| 00:45.17 | annadane | it's a bit weird kernel wise, i think bullseye's plan is to use 5.5 whereas wireguard is in the kernel as of 5.6 |
| 00:45.22 | annadane | but if it's a separate package well then there you go |
| 00:45.40 | mandeep | yeah but i guess kernel module is preferred |
| 00:46.07 | velix | Did wireguard go through any audits now? |
| 00:46.25 | velix | Wrong place to ask, sorry. |
| 00:46.42 | sney | the wireguard package in buster-backports pulls in wireguard-dkms, which builds the kernel module of course |
| 00:46.49 | annadane | mhm |
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| 00:46.57 | tds | ooh, that's nice, previously the wireguard docs suggested using unstable repos on a stable machine :/ |
| 00:48.36 | mandeep | sney: awesome thanks |
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| 01:02.43 | ksk | mhhm, iirc there was some reddit posting about installing from buster-backports without some suggestions? |
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| 01:03.56 | ksk | nevermind, was about bullseye: https://budai.cz/posts/installing-wireguard-on-debian-bullseye/ |
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| 01:05.04 | dragonfly28362 | https dont work in all repositories listed in my sources.list |
| 01:05.24 | ksk | does not work is not a technical statement in any way. |
| 01:06.42 | dragonfly28362 | i get the information only in pure http |
| 01:07.45 | dragonfly28362 | i dont trust in my vpn |
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| 01:08.37 | annadane | ,i apt-transport-https |
| 01:08.38 | judd | Package apt-transport-https (oldlibs, optional) in buster/amd64: transitional package for https support. Version: 1.8.2; Size: 145.4k; Installed: 152k |
| 01:08.40 | ksk | maybe you missed installing "apt-transport-https"? |
| 01:08.42 | annadane | you can use that |
| 01:08.57 | annadane | though i thought that was unneeded in buster |
| 01:09.00 | annadane | i don't remember |
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| 01:09.27 | ksk | Be aware that Debian does verify the integrety of software packages anyways, no matter if you used http or https to get them. |
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| 01:10.14 | ksk | ..And there have been lengthy discussions about if https actually protect you in anyway, let alone hide which packages you are downloading (it might now, to my knowledge) |
| 01:10.26 | ksk | s/now/not/ |
| 01:14.00 | dragonfly28362 | indeed i just installed apt-transport-https now. to use the https how do i have to upgrade? with apt the ordinary way? apt upgrade? |
| 01:15.19 | dragonfly28362 | if i use synaptic package manager, witch i prefer, i believe it is https automatic right? |
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| 01:18.08 | annadane | no idea how apt-transport-https works, maybe see the man page or /usr/share/doc/apt-transport-https |
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| 01:18.48 | x09x | 2020 and Debian still uses http, this thing should be banned asap imho |
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| 01:21.05 | somiaj | https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/ |
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| 01:27.18 | cyveris | Given that packages are signed, which provides integrity protection, and contain nothing sensitive, https seems pointless. |
| 01:28.46 | x09x | i don't want anyone to know if i'm installing metaploit on my machine, what do you mean? |
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| 01:30.28 | x09x | there's a solution to this but the codebase of apt must be refactored and many distros & systems will break, so yeah that's why Debian still uses http |
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| 01:34.50 | somiaj | that is a bit old, and maybe as more and more mirrors get valid certs (with letseyncrypt this is now less of a pain and issue than it use to be), maybe it will be enabled by default, I was just sharing some info about why debian has stuck with http, and the safeguards they have in place, and https is avilable for mirrors which support it |
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| 01:54.27 | EdePopede | what is pulse audio after all? gnome or gtk? |
| 01:55.45 | cyveris | x0n: Who gives a shit if you're installing metasploit? No one cares about you, or anyone else that might be installing metasploit. |
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| 01:56.24 | cyveris | Is there a channel specifically to discuss backports? Formal backports, not ssbs. |
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| 01:56.39 | cyveris | x0n: Mis-target, apologies. |
| 01:56.47 | cyveris | Oh, and he left anyway. |
| 01:56.52 | cyveris | !backports |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 01:57.55 | cyveris | Ah, it's on oftc. |
| 01:58.00 | EdePopede | cyveris: downloading messengers with end-to-end encryption already MAY be highly sensitive information |
| 01:58.10 | EdePopede | or torrent software |
| 01:58.29 | cyveris | Not willing to take tinfoil hattery that far, sorry. |
| 01:59.01 | EdePopede | then thank your prefered deity for living somewhere where you can totally trust your authorities |
| 01:59.04 | ksk | since we all know that likey every kind of traffic is mirrored anyways, does it matter? :P |
| 01:59.14 | somiaj | cyveris: what do you want to discuss about backports? |
| 01:59.33 | cyveris | somiaj: I have a dsc for a stable backport that I'd like to submit, but I'm not certain of the process. |
| 01:59.36 | ksk | cyveris: I dont think there is a backport-specific channel. |
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| 01:59.47 | cyveris | ksk: There is on oftc, according to debwiki |
| 01:59.58 | ksk | kk. |
| 02:00.16 | somiaj | cyveris: are the matainer of the package, or someone else making a backport? |
| 02:00.22 | cyveris | Someone else. |
| 02:00.54 | kline | cyveris, i do think its relevant that some people may not want others on the path between them and the mirror to know *what* packages are being downloaded |
| 02:00.59 | kline | and reasonable |
| 02:01.03 | nvz | I just had a random curiousity about something.. I'm guessing programs like Transmission (bittorrent) do this because they're downloading things non-sequentially.. but it seems like it reserves the space beforehand.. but I dont really understand fully the how/why of it and it confuses me when trying to figure out if I have enough disk space and torrents are downloading taking up space they dont occupy |
| 02:01.16 | somiaj | cyveris: Have you ever been a matainer? anyways, I'm looking up the details, but as a non matainer backport I think it is a bit more work. |
| 02:01.17 | nvz | I'm not really even sure if its allocating it all up front or what |
| 02:01.29 | cyveris | somiaj: I have never been, sadly. :/ |
| 02:01.43 | cyveris | I might hop over to oftc and inquire there. |
| 02:01.57 | ksk | nvz: it most likely just pre-allocated for every file. look for an option in the client? |
| 02:02.16 | nvz | yeah that'd make it even more complicated |
| 02:02.35 | somiaj | cyveris: I know the process to get packages into debian better than backports, so I am seeing if I can find any useful information, otherwise I'll point you someplace you might be able to answer that question. |
| 02:02.44 | cyveris | Thanks! |
| 02:02.55 | nvz | like right now the drive I have mounted on /home on that machine is down to like 21G used.. between active and pending downloads I probably have near 100GB to download |
| 02:03.21 | ksk | utilize `ncdu' to see where all the space has gone ;) |
| 02:03.30 | ksk | most likely "ncdu -x /home" |
| 02:03.31 | nvz | I'm almost certain it'll all fit on there.. but what I'm not certain is, wht has been allocated already and what hasnt |
| 02:03.31 | kline | nvz, "torrents taking up space they dont [*yet*] occupy". technically it should be easier as you dont have a moving target. if you have 20GB on your torrent partition, and 1 torrent in flight currently at 2GB used, will your new 10GB torrent fit? |
| 02:04.10 | somiaj | cyveris: https://backports.debian.org/Contribute/ I'm looking at this currently, but trying to find info specificly about someone uploading a backport who is not a matainer |
| 02:04.10 | nvz | I know exactly where the space has gone :P |
| 02:04.17 | kline | nvz, if the in-flight torrent in 5GB, then yes. if it's 15GB, then no. if the torrent client preallocates the 15GB is needs upfront for that torrent, then you have an accurate representation immediately |
| 02:04.27 | nvz | what I dont grasp is space reserved and not yet occupied |
| 02:04.46 | kline | i mean, it's just the opposite of a sparse file: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file |
| 02:05.16 | nvz | kline: it seems like thats whats occuring, that when the torren starts to download it pre-allocates and file managers show the space as no longer available.. for the entire torrent |
| 02:05.41 | nvz | where it gets complicated is when you have two active, two queued but already started to download some, and two not yet started.. |
| 02:05.46 | kline | but the most trivial thing to do is if you have a 10GB torrent file coming down, to open a file, write 10GB of 0s, then update by overwriting each chunk as it arrives |
| 02:05.48 | nvz | trying to figure out whats what |
| 02:05.59 | kline | very naive though |
| 02:06.00 | nvz | I know it'll all fit cause I trust my calculations before I started all this |
| 02:06.16 | nvz | but what I dont like is not being able to look at it and tell whats going on :P |
| 02:06.21 | nvz | and not really understanding why |
| 02:06.33 | nvz | I vaguely grasp whats happeneing.. |
| 02:07.09 | kline | remember that the torrent client isnt just guarding against you messing up |
| 02:07.31 | somiaj | cyveris: This is what it appears to me, first you should be able to matain and support that package through the life of buster, this means being able to update it as testing gets updates and security fixes. After that you should file a wish-list bug and ask the matainer (maybe provdie them whave you have done). If the matainer doens't want to matain the backport, you can then choose to do so, and it |
| 02:07.32 | kline | pre-allocating disk space means that things like log-files will get errors for running out of disk space that the torrent client knows it will need |
| 02:07.37 | somiaj | appears the process for a non-matainer is similar to any other package and you get to use mentors.debian.net to upload it to and get a sponsor. |
| 02:07.44 | EdePopede | if it's possible to write a specific block of the file then it would definitely make sense. "start at $offset and write these $size blocks". |
| 02:07.53 | kline | it would be pretty frustrating if a torrent failed because a log file grew oversized |
| 02:07.56 | kline | EdePopede, you can |
| 02:08.14 | somiaj | cyveris: here is the basic guide lines for getting a package into debian via a mentor, https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers, so read over the two links I sent you. If you need more help backports suggest you use their mailing list. There is also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net that can answer questions. |
| 02:08.16 | nvz | kline: yeah I get why it'd be beneficial, just not so much the mechanism at play reserving space ilke that.. only reserve I'm familiar with is the FS level reserved blocks for root.. |
| 02:08.28 | EdePopede | i had already midnight commander telling me that the disk is full right before the copy finished. not nice. |
| 02:08.31 | cyveris | somiaj: Thanks a ton! |
| 02:08.32 | nvz | I also dont really understand the method used by this client well enough |
| 02:08.50 | nvz | I been just assuming it reserves the whole amount upfront when any data from that torrent first hits the disk |
| 02:08.52 | kline | easiest thing to do is go and look at the source of your favourite client |
| 02:09.05 | kline | thatll tell you the actual truth |
| 02:09.08 | nvz | yeah.. probably not :P |
| 02:09.17 | kline | what client is it? |
| 02:09.30 | nvz | pretty sure transmission is not only written in C, which I barely grok, but its got so many damn pieces.. |
| 02:10.04 | lwp | nvz, in general the torrent protocol is randomly downloading small bits of the total file, not sequential at all, so it makes sense to reserve the entire space at the outset |
| 02:10.19 | nvz | lwp: I know, and I said as much on the outset |
| 02:10.35 | kline | nvz, http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/posix_fallocate.3.html ? |
| 02:10.37 | joepublic | and that's literally all that happens, it saves a big empty file |
| 02:10.52 | nvz | the issue here is with me getting a better understanding of the how so I can administer a machine that does this.. |
| 02:11.10 | nvz | cause outside a torrent client, in some 30 years of computing I'm not used to encountering this kinda thing |
| 02:11.25 | nvz | space reserved for admin, deleted files, recycled files, virtual memory..etc.. I am used to |
| 02:11.39 | nvz | space reserved for files not yet written.. thats a foriegn concept to me |
| 02:11.39 | lwp | nvz, it would be very hard for it to allocate only random chunks of the file space, not in sequential order,wouldn't it ? |
| 02:11.50 | kline | nvz, this looks like it could be it: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/fallocate.2.html |
| 02:11.57 | nvz | lwp: I KNOW WHY it makes sense.. heh |
| 02:12.12 | nvz | I dont understand how its doing it or when.. |
| 02:12.25 | kline | The default operation (i.e., mode is zero) of fallocate() allocates the disk space within the range specified by offset and len. |
| 02:12.33 | nvz | I can't hardly accurately run a machine thats doing stuff I can;t account for |
| 02:12.35 | kline | https://github.com/transmission/transmission/blob/master/libtransmission/file-posix.c#L845 |
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| 02:12.47 | kline | it's used here in "tr_sys_file_preallocate()" |
| 02:13.26 | nvz | kline: yeah well I'll have to investigate it more.. but the dialogue helped me think more on it |
| 02:13.39 | nvz | didnt even contemplate the possibility its doing this per-file |
| 02:13.49 | nvz | which if thats the case, thats much harder to keep track of |
| 02:14.03 | kline | im not really sure what you're trying to achieve |
| 02:14.16 | nvz | its trivial to know its gonna pre-allocate the entire torrent.. I got the torrents total size and size downloaded so far at a glance.. |
| 02:14.34 | nvz | but if its randomly during downloading creating and pre-allocating new files.. |
| 02:14.41 | nvz | thats just a f'n mess |
| 02:15.02 | nvz | I have no way of easily telling when these chunks of data are of a new file that will be pre-allocated |
| 02:15.09 | kline | is this causing you an actual problem, though? |
| 02:15.25 | nvz | not yet.. other than having to watch the shit too damn closely |
| 02:15.32 | kline | too closely for what? |
| 02:15.35 | nvz | cause I dont know enough to know if I can just leave it |
| 02:15.51 | lwp | my favored solution to this problem, is to have WAY more empty disk space than I will need, and then not worry about it. |
| 02:15.52 | nvz | I dont know if I'm out of space or if my original calculations were correct |
| 02:15.54 | kline | are you trying to micro your disk space by moving files on and off a filesystem that youve overcommitted? |
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| 02:16.40 | nvz | na, I'm just downloading new stuff I'm gonna put on my file server eventually.. but my file server is like 90mi away and here I only have a 1TB drive thats almost full now :P |
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| 02:17.03 | kline | the preallocation means that you're not likely to accidentally overcommit yourself |
| 02:17.19 | nvz | I could if its doing it per-file as it gets to each file |
| 02:17.21 | ladderff | Hello, possible regression upgrading to buster on a macbook pro 5,5: no /dev/video0 for the built-in camera. Wasn't a problem on stretch! |
| 02:17.25 | kline | if you download 5x10GB torrents onto a 40GB drive, itll tell you in advance |
| 02:17.35 | nvz | if its doing it as I thought, per-torrent every time.. thats predictable |
| 02:17.59 | EdePopede | <nvz> space reserved for files not yet written.. thats a foriegn concept to me <-- that's just like you reserving some space in the house before bringing in all the furniture |
| 02:18.06 | nvz | I then know my 21GB remaining is 21GB remaining minus the remaining undownloaded portions of any torrents |
| 02:18.24 | kline | nvz, just pretend that all your files download instantly |
| 02:18.29 | nvz | cause right now I got 3 torrents with progress.. but only two are downloading one is queued |
| 02:18.30 | kline | (just you cant use them until later) |
| 02:18.42 | nvz | so I am not sure if all 3 of those are accounted for or what |
| 02:19.21 | EdePopede | the torrents are quarantined until everything is in place |
| 02:19.38 | nvz | cause I had put a roughly 5 and 10 GB torrent in there as well.. those have no progress so far.. and should fit in the 21GB or so remaining easily |
| 02:20.04 | nvz | but if any of the not yet downloaded files in the current two torrents or queued partially downloaded torrent are still not accounted for.. |
| 02:21.42 | EdePopede | nvz, i'd check right before and after starting it. if it happens everytime i'd assume it would also happen next time you don't check it. |
| 02:22.22 | nvz | nm it seems to be treating the pre-allocated files like they're actually there so I guess its fine.. I can click a directory its downloading and go to properties and see it says 6GB used even though the torrent has only downloaded 1GB so far |
| 02:22.36 | nvz | so I can actually check with the filemanager and see the allocated space |
| 02:22.38 | kline | if its a 6GB file in the torrent |
| 02:22.44 | kline | and it's 6GB "on disk" |
| 02:22.49 | kline | and only 1GB has downloaded |
| 02:22.57 | kline | you can trust its only ever going to be 6GB |
| 02:22.57 | EdePopede | 5 to go? |
| 02:22.58 | nvz | I thought it was only showing me that the space was no longer available, but not showing it actually in use |
| 02:23.09 | nvz | but I guess its showing both |
| 02:23.21 | nvz | which is fine.. as long as I know how to tell whats happening |
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| 02:23.59 | EdePopede | does the client have its own bookkeeping on the reserved space? so that if something fails it would delete this partial file and free all the space (or continue later, whatever) |
| 02:24.10 | nvz | kline: I mean clicking on the parent folder.. any good torrent with more than a file typically is inside a directory |
| 02:24.39 | nvz | EdePopede: that I wasnt sure of either.. hence the current issue where I have things I've started but then queued |
| 02:24.46 | nvz | are they garbage collected when inactive? |
| 02:25.06 | nvz | but now I got a better handle on it to figure it out I guess |
| 02:26.07 | EdePopede | as long as the fs doesn't have a "reserved" flag for the blocks but only "used" then i see no other option than letting the client handle this. |
| 02:26.09 | nvz | I oft micromanage torrenting.. I'll turn crap up as far as number of peers and simultaneous downloads then turn it down.. sometimes start things above my simultaneous downloads when one torrent is showing little bandwidth usage.. etc. |
| 02:26.18 | nvz | I just wanna know how to go about this when space is an issue |
| 02:26.46 | nvz | up to now I had no way of knowing for sure out of paused, queued, downloading torrents exactly what was accounted for already and what wasnt |
| 02:27.01 | nvz | now I got a better idea and know how to figure it out :P |
| 02:27.20 | kline | nvz, best would be to ask the community/developers of your client |
| 02:27.23 | nvz | idk what made me think the file managers and stuff wouldnt see the space in use |
| 02:27.25 | kline | they will know the actual behaviour |
| 02:27.33 | nvz | cause they sure show it not available anymore |
| 02:27.35 | EdePopede | maybe downloading a segment, tagging the block as work in progress, data transfer, tagging as used. |
| 02:27.37 | kline | i can tell you that you can ask linux to preallocate you files |
| 02:27.46 | nvz | I just couldnt grasp how to find usage of a file thats not there yet :P |
| 02:28.04 | nvz | now I know I can just click the parent directory and see its usage.. it should equal the total torrent |
| 02:28.16 | nvz | despite how much the torrent client said is downloaded |
| 02:28.31 | EdePopede | yeah, midnight commander also has a Preallocate Space option |
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| 02:29.02 | nvz | it dodnt seem to me like it worked like say chrome/chromium where it just creates a file then fills it up |
| 02:29.11 | nvz | calls em .crdownload until they're finished |
| 02:29.18 | EdePopede | gah |
| 02:29.27 | nvz | seemed like it was doing some black magic shit to me :P |
| 02:29.29 | EdePopede | or .part like youtube.dl |
| 02:30.27 | nvz | but mind you, I was one of those kids who when they were teaching us base 10 in grade school.. you got the 1s, 10s, 100s, 1000s place.. you put a number in this place and.. blah blah blah |
| 02:30.36 | EdePopede | there was a user once in firefox with a networked /home and the browser was downloading to /tmp first and then transferred it over the network. not really effective. |
| 02:30.46 | nvz | then like 3rd grade came around and they dropped this 100,000 thing on me and I just couldnt grasp it |
| 02:30.53 | nvz | cause 100 comes before 1000 |
| 02:30.59 | EdePopede | heh |
| 02:31.00 | nvz | hundred-thousand sounded ridiculous to me |
| 02:31.01 | nvz | heh |
| 02:31.28 | EdePopede | because you're english language-wise |
| 02:31.44 | EdePopede | germans are used to it, 13 already is three-ten :P |
| 02:31.57 | nvz | yeah and that means we were never taught not to try make sense of the language |
| 02:32.09 | nvz | which is a futile struggle |
| 02:32.22 | nvz | we drive on parkways and park on driveways |
| 02:32.30 | EdePopede | if you *really* want to do this you don't get around its history |
| 02:32.35 | EdePopede | heh |
| 02:33.49 | gZen0n | Hi, I need to move/copy/delete several files recursively, all formatted with a same pattern (^FSCK[0-9]*) but located in diferent directories with undefined depth. I can list them with "find . | grep mypattern", but how could I work on them in the same time ? I want to copy them for bkup, delete those which are 0o sized and rename others. Thanks |
| 02:34.18 | nvz | find supports an exec option |
| 02:34.25 | nvz | there is no need to pipe with find |
| 02:34.46 | nvz | I am no find guru though so I will not comment further on the specifics |
| 02:34.59 | gZen0n | Ok thanks |
| 02:35.37 | nvz | but really to someone who is savvy with find, its a trivial oneliner, and fwiw #bash is often quite handy for such questions |
| 02:35.38 | EdePopede | like: -exec rm {} \; |
| 02:35.56 | EdePopede | or + instead of \; if it's ok to do it in parallel |
| 02:36.34 | nvz | they dont seem to mind questions related to shell utilities as they're just like libraries of sorts extending the language.. |
| 02:37.04 | nvz | either way folks in #bash would all be more savvy with use of the shell for such things if you can't get help here |
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| 02:37.58 | gZen0n | @nvz You're right, it's a bash question, my bad |
| 02:38.07 | EdePopede | and there are nice things like mv $i ${i%.*} to remove the extension and much more |
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| 02:39.12 | gZen0n | @EdePopede, Yes, I was going to use exiftool to get the extension for renaming files, does it seems ok ? |
| 02:39.18 | nvz | gZen0n: na, if you're on debian its a debian question as much as a bash one.. but what I do is ask myself is my question specific to one or another.. and in this case the answer is no.. so the next question is, where are folk likely to know/help the most? |
| 02:40.31 | nvz | like I personally while I do not condone support of non-debian distros, I do think armbian debian versions can be supported cause they use our packages unmodified.. their repos contain only kernel, driver type stuff.. so if your question isnt hardware/kernel related, its applicable and reproducible here |
| 02:40.39 | EdePopede | gZen0n: filetype recognition? gives you more info than just file(1) i guess, no idea if this is really needed |
| 02:40.49 | nvz | they literally use our repos.. they dont even mirror them |
| 02:41.04 | nvz | their repos have like a dozen or so packages thats it |
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| 02:41.44 | nvz | though on the other hand I dont really condone kde support even on pure debian in here :P |
| 02:41.58 | nvz | cause most of us just dont use it, and you're better off in #debian-kde :D |
| 02:43.09 | gZen0n | @EdePopede, as the pattern implied, these are recovered files after a ddrescue. and "file --extension" answers ???, while "exiftool -T" answers right extensions |
| 02:43.16 | nvz | just gotta know both what will suit your situation best as well as respect the supporters.. this question was a case where it was just as applicable one place as another but one place (here) is rather idle and only a subset of the folks here will have firm grasp of advanced shell usages |
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| 02:43.28 | nvz | where in #bash the vast majority will know this suff and its more active :P |
| 02:44.04 | EdePopede | gZen0n: actually i never used --extension, used file only for the mime type so far |
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| 02:45.13 | nvz | gZen0n: fwiw there is also globstar and extglob you can ask about in #bash or lookup.. they're shell modes that expand the capabilities of globs to allow things like recursion |
| 02:45.33 | nvz | I've used it before but its not strong enough in my toolkit to know it off the top of my head |
| 02:45.36 | gZen0n | @EdePopede, Yes, i'm reading file manual, and I see mime-type option, but the output format is not "raw" |
| 02:45.52 | EdePopede | xsx i got a hit! mpv-shot0001: jpeg/jpg/jpe/jfif |
| 02:46.06 | nvz | with an extended glob doing recursion you don't need find per-se |
| 02:47.17 | nvz | thats one of the odd bits about bash.. is that it has all these shell modes that change the syntax and behavior of the language :P |
| 02:47.39 | EdePopede | btw, "find | grep". if the output of ls is not to be trusted, what about find? |
| 02:47.46 | nvz | you manipulate them with shopt if you're not familiar |
| 02:47.50 | gZen0n | @nvz I didn't expect #bash was more active, godod to know |
| 02:48.18 | nvz | gZen0n: yes both #debian channels have gotten slower in recent years except during certain times of the day |
| 02:48.33 | nvz | I sit in #bash too among others, and its far more active |
| 02:49.06 | gZen0n | @EdePopede, find is recursive in whatever depth |
| 02:49.25 | EdePopede | gZen0n: it was about weird filenames iirc |
| 02:49.41 | EdePopede | like they could include \0 or line breaks |
| 02:52.47 | gZen0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.12 | nvz | gZen0n: http://paste.debian.net/1144471/ |
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| 02:55.10 | nvz | thats demonstrating globs and recursion and changing the glob modes |
| 02:55.42 | nvz | there are quite a few shopts that change glob behavior |
| 02:56.17 | gZen0n | nice |
| 02:56.58 | gZen0n | Many thanks ! That's great to know, and so shopt is a built-in bash function ? |
| 02:57.13 | nvz | I think so.. idk.. try help shopt vs man shopt |
| 02:57.28 | nvz | and ask in #bash they know all this and more :P |
| 02:57.31 | gZen0n | there is no man, but --help option |
| 02:57.45 | nvz | builtin functions work with help |
| 02:57.46 | nvz | help if |
| 02:57.48 | nvz | help test |
| 02:58.04 | gZen0n | yes, there is |
| 02:58.50 | nvz | just help by itself lists them all |
| 02:59.02 | nvz | and fwiw apropos is for searching the linux manual pages |
| 02:59.23 | nvz | when you know there is a "command for that"(tm) but don't know what it is :P |
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| 03:01.11 | gZen0n | :D |
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| 03:02.46 | nvz | apropos -s1 remote sync |
| 03:02.48 | nvz | for example |
| 03:03.07 | nvz | searches section 1 (normal user commands) for remote sync.. |
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| 03:03.12 | nvz | returns things like rsync |
| 03:03.20 | nvz | with a breif description |
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| 03:04.42 | nvz | -s1,8 are most common for commands 1 is user, 8 is root, 5 is config files also.. beyond 1,5,8 the rest is more programmer stuff :P |
| 03:05.58 | EdePopede | are the others ones still in use? with n,p,s added or other stuff? |
| 03:06.18 | gZen0n | Nice tips |
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| 03:07.08 | EdePopede | ah: SECTION 1 n l 8 3 2 3posix 3pm 3perl 3am 5 4 9 6 7 |
| 03:08.44 | EdePopede | that was man(1) and this is manpath(5): SECTION 1 n l 8 3 0 2 5 4 9 6 7 |
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| 03:12.20 | EdePopede | nice list https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/138643 |
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| 03:22.31 | velix | How can I remove a BTS ticket, I've opened? |
| 03:23.01 | velix | It's damn hard to work with debian.org, since the pages automatically switch to my native language, which is often translate a bad way. |
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| 03:24.56 | velix | It's so annyoing. It's German by default and no way to turn this off |
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| 04:05.50 | EdePopede | yeah, i don't get it why the links aren't adapted to the corresponding language during the page creation process |
| 04:06.44 | EdePopede | if a page doesn't exist in that language it could simply redirect to english. voilà . |
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| 04:22.03 | colemickens | Is there something wrong with the current Buster live images? Gnome-shell is completely unusable in a qemu/kvm VM. I use this same config regularly with other debian-based distros running gnome-shell without issue/ |
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| 04:23.29 | nkuttler | colemickens: unusable? |
| 04:23.38 | warsoul | having issue with running a eggdrop |
| 04:23.47 | warsoul | how can i check the ports i have open to telnet |
| 04:24.19 | colemickens | this is embarrasing, I don't think so? "current-live" 10.3.0? |
| 04:24.31 | colemickens | https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ <- the gnome iso |
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| 04:35.26 | colemickens | oh sorry, I thought you asked if I was running unstable for some reason. |
| 04:35.56 | colemickens | Yeah, the CPU gets pegged to 80% basically the entire time and the shell just sort of hangs at some point. Not just slow but all input ceases to work. Yet, I used Tails a while back and it worked fine in the same environment. |
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| 04:49.13 | warsoul | "package require dict" |
| 04:49.29 | warsoul | how i fix this |
| 04:49.30 | warsoul | ? |
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| 04:50.05 | warsoul | hi diogenes_ |
| 04:50.50 | warsoul | "package require dict" |
| 04:50.53 | warsoul | how i fix this |
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| 04:56.13 | warsoul | ? |
| 04:56.13 | rottentomatoes | colemickens: in low resources pc you must rely on lots of swap wich is trouble if is live, lots of ram is greatfor performance cpu come in second place |
| 04:56.48 | colemickens | same RAM I give to tails? |
| 04:56.58 | colemickens | and low mem doesn't explain a constantly pegged 80% cpu |
| 04:57.09 | colemickens | it felt more like gnome-shell was doing software rendering for some reason |
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| 04:57.29 | rottentomatoes | change to xfce |
| 04:57.41 | colemickens | Yup, worked like a charm |
| 04:57.42 | rottentomatoes | gnome is heavier |
| 04:58.07 | colemickens | I understand. But I don't understand why gnome-shell would work fine on a downstream of debian, but not in debian. I doubt the Tails forlks are perf-patching gnome. |
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| 05:01.50 | rottentomatoes | do top in bash and kill what is eating the cpu and not necessary |
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| 05:02.51 | colemickens | it was gnome-shell |
| 05:03.28 | diogenes_ | warsoul, what package and what you're trying to do? |
| 05:04.01 | rottentomatoes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.43 | warsoul | diogenes_ im running a eggdrop |
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| 05:09.51 | rottentomatoes | better eggdrop than evesdrop |
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| 05:16.08 | EdePopede | colemickens: you may want to run htop and sort by CPU% to catch the bad guy |
| 05:16.51 | EdePopede | ,v dict |
| 05:16.53 | judd | Package: dict on amd64 -- jessie: 1.12.1+dfsg-3; stretch: 1.12.1+dfsg-4; buster: 1.12.1+dfsg-8; bullseye: 1.12.1+dfsg-8+b1; sid: 1.12.1+dfsg-8+b1 |
| 05:17.04 | EdePopede | warsoul, is it installed? |
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| 06:05.20 | colemickens | should /etc/apt/sources.list contain more than just "main"? isn't there usually security lines here too? |
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| 06:08.36 | gswan | colemickens: Yes, see https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list |
| 06:09.03 | colemickens | That's what I thought, I guess I was surprised the live iso only contains the one... |
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| 06:10.06 | pingfloyd | colemickens: there's also contrib and non-free which are optional |
| 06:11.25 | pingfloyd | colemickens: it contains the one, because that's the most floss one. floss as possible by default, and then the user can decide how much they want to taint their installation. |
| 06:11.42 | colemickens | let me be more clear |
| 06:11.47 | colemickens | the live disk is missing the security repo |
| 06:11.54 | colemickens | is that intentional, or am I mistaken? |
| 06:11.57 | pingfloyd | oh |
| 06:12.10 | pingfloyd | if it's stable, you should add it |
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| 06:12.46 | pingfloyd | unstable for instance, doesn't have one because it would be superflous |
| 06:13.13 | pingfloyd | that is, we get our security updates there, through upstream |
| 06:13.22 | colemickens | hm, okay. I'll add this to my list to circle back on, I was under the impression I was on a stable disk. (seems low pri, I assume it's correct after an install) |
| 06:13.34 | colemickens | yeah, ack on unstable, I'm normally on my distros equivalent |
| 06:13.57 | gswan | Maybe it just doesnt have it because its just a live system? |
| 06:14.02 | colemickens | nods |
| 06:14.07 | rottentomatoes | from https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#sources.list_format you can copy https://pastebin.com/3c3uiJYD |
| 06:14.26 | pingfloyd | I suspect it is an oversight, or the image being used, isn't very well handled. |
| 06:15.43 | pingfloyd | in short, it's a bad idea to not have the security repo with stable, because of how updates are maintained between the branches. |
| 06:16.42 | pingfloyd | i.e., new stuff gets added to sid and if it passes, trickles down into testing. Stable happens after testing is frozen and moved over. |
| 06:17.21 | pingfloyd | so less of an issue on the rolling side of it, but huge one on the stable release side. |
| 06:18.29 | pingfloyd | stable is extremely dependant on security backports (what the security repo is full of) in maintaining a decent level of security |
| 06:19.19 | warsoul | pingfloyd a good sources.list how it should look |
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| 06:20.34 | fury__ | trying to install debian in a bhyve VM. I've mounted the installer ISO, and for some reason I'm at a bootloader. the prompt says "OK ". very little/confusing google results, since googling the word "OK" is nearly impossible, and I don't know what this is other than I can guess it's the bootloader. how do I load the kernel and boot into the installer? |
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| 06:21.53 | pingfloyd | warsoul: a lot of the repos are options, but a minimal one would have something like: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main non-free contrib ; deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 06:22.26 | pingfloyd | warsoul: and the contrib and non-free parts are pretty optional too |
| 06:23.04 | rottentomatoes | bhyve VM? |
| 06:23.19 | fury__ | sure, that part is not relevant. I'm at a bootloader, I need to know how to load the kernel. |
| 06:23.20 | pingfloyd | !dpkg sources.list |
| 06:23.20 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 06:23.44 | pingfloyd | warsoul: ^ |
| 06:23.49 | fury__ | it just says "OK ", and I don't know what that means, other than I can guess it's a bootloader. |
| 06:24.50 | pingfloyd | fury__: you sure you're using a good image? |
| 06:24.57 | fury__ | positive |
| 06:25.10 | pingfloyd | fury__: did you verify its integrity? |
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| 06:25.17 | fury__ | I am at a bootloader, and need to know how to load the kernel. really simple, impossible to google. all I need to know is how to load the kernel. |
| 06:25.27 | fury__ | pingfloyd: yes, I've used this image before. it's fine. |
| 06:25.37 | pingfloyd | fury__: then this must be an issue with your hypervisor |
| 06:25.39 | fury__ | again, just need to know how to load the kernel. nevermind why I'm at a bootloader. |
| 06:25.53 | pingfloyd | fury__: possibly your setting for the VM |
| 06:26.00 | fury__ | generally, the kernel needs to be loaded manually for bhyve. |
| 06:26.15 | pingfloyd | bootloader is what loads the kernel |
| 06:26.21 | fury__ | I just need to know the command to load the kernel. again, really simple, impossible to google. I'll wait for somebody who knows how to load the kernel manually from the installation ISO. |
| 06:26.35 | fury__ | let's not get into discussions that aren't relevant |
| 06:26.43 | mathgrad | try 'linux vmlinuz-*' |
| 06:26.50 | mathgrad | dunno if it'll work |
| 06:27.05 | fury__ | linux is an "unknown command". that's probably a grub thing, this prompt says "OK " |
| 06:27.07 | pingfloyd | fury__: does your machine use EFI? |
| 06:27.50 | pingfloyd | or I should say the VM |
| 06:28.10 | pingfloyd | I think you're rather SOL if it doesn't |
| 06:28.52 | fury__ | the vm works fine generally. I'm at the bootloader. let's not talk about VMs. I just need to know how to load the kernel at an "OK " prompt. |
| 06:28.52 | rottentomatoes | isnt it a freeBSD issue? https://github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve |
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| 06:29.26 | fury__ | again, I just need to know how to load the kernel from an "OK " prompt, and I can handle the rest. |
| 06:29.36 | fury__ | it is not a freebsd "issue" |
| 06:29.44 | fury__ | it's not an issue at all, just need to load the kernel from the bootloader. |
| 06:29.44 | warsoul | pingfloyd , https://paste.debian.net/1144481/ |
| 06:29.53 | pingfloyd | rottentomatoes: looks like it to me |
| 06:30.01 | jim | what generates the ok prompt? |
| 06:30.07 | fury__ | the bootloader. |
| 06:30.24 | jim | 'do you know which one? |
| 06:30.31 | fury__ | if I did, I'd be googling. |
| 06:30.52 | pingfloyd | warsoul: looks good from what I can tell. |
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| 06:39.28 | gswan | fury__: try this maybe?: https://github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve/wiki/Supported-Guest-Examples#debian--ubuntu-grub |
| 06:39.45 | jim | not sure how you're getting that boot loader (the freebsd one) when you're trying to install debian |
| 06:39.46 | pingfloyd | see |
| 06:39.48 | jim | '? |
| 06:40.12 | fury__ | jim: I'm already past that, thanks. again, I'm just looking to load the linux kernel from the linux bootloader. |
| 06:40.41 | jim | for which purpose? |
| 06:41.03 | fury__ | to boot the kernel. no further discussion required, really |
| 06:41.24 | pingfloyd | !dpkg non-debian |
| 06:41.24 | dpkg | #debian is for Debian users and Debian-related questions. We aren't experts on other distributions, and it gets frustrating when people from other distributions ask for help in here. Use your common sense and ask in a channel where they know your distribution. |
| 06:42.00 | fury__ | pingfloyd: you're not paying attention. you're so hung up on being right, that you're not bothering to read what I'm saying. I gotta go, thanks anyway. |
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| 06:42.20 | gswan | wow |
| 06:42.36 | pingfloyd | what you're saying is a total non-sequitur :P |
| 06:42.53 | jim | he's all gone |
| 06:43.29 | pingfloyd | why is there such an influx of idiots these days on freenode? |
| 06:43.33 | rottentomatoes | he or it? |
| 06:44.03 | rottentomatoes | wasnt a bot? |
| 06:45.08 | pingfloyd | I'd be almost be willing to bet, he's been told that before numerous times in here. |
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| 06:54.12 | EdePopede | pingfloyd: i'd blame the lockdown at least partially. people getting frustrated, going nuts, kids looking for some fun or what they consider being some. |
| 06:54.38 | EdePopede | and the idiocracy level rising in general |
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| 06:59.04 | bsdnoob | there's a weird bug I am still unable to find root cause |
| 06:59.22 | bsdnoob | system slows down ad sometimes hangs |
| 06:59.32 | bsdnoob | this happens both in windows & linux |
| 06:59.41 | bsdnoob | I managed to grab screenshot of perf top |
| 06:59.43 | bsdnoob | https://i.imgur.com/pDX2wxV.png?1 |
| 06:59.55 | bsdnoob | what is this _nv021245rm ? |
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| 09:23.02 | brutser | some debian repositories i find at https://software.opensuse.org/ , using repositories is comfortable, but is there a security risk, or are these repositories safe to use? |
| 09:29.28 | jim | I'm confused, do you want to run suze? or debian? or? |
| 09:31.29 | jim | my personal view, I run debian because I know debian devs work their ass off, and through that and through their analytic ability, they make debian a very high quality dist |
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| 09:32.53 | jim | and as long as I'm equally careful, I can keep my installation of debian at a very high quality level |
| 09:33.49 | jim | suse has an interesting idea, to have all the services be configured in one single file |
| 09:34.17 | jim | unfortunately such an arrangement is hard to automate |
| 09:36.22 | jim | does that have to do with the quality of suse? I don't know, but I don't think so... quality of a dist depends on how trustable each person is, and ultimately how trustable each software item is |
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| 09:48.26 | brutser | jim: i just wanted to install veracrypt and since that's not in the official debian packages, i could either add some repository or download .deb from the veracrypt site and install it |
| 09:49.03 | brutser | that opensuse site has many repositories for debian as well |
| 09:49.25 | brutser | anyway,, i decided to just grab the .deb file and install it |
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| 09:50.07 | brutser | another question: i need to run a script only once when X session starts for first time - how would i do this? |
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| 09:53.35 | ansimita | brutser: $HOME/.xinitrc manpages.debian.org/buster/xinit/xinit.1.en.html |
| 09:53.56 | brutser | ansimita: ok thanks |
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| 09:56.16 | jim | brutser, usually, before the next revision of a dist is released, the dev/maintainers of that dist will test the packages together to make sure they all work together; a failure could mean either the software that failed doesnt' get included, or, it delays the release until it can get fixed |
| 09:56.56 | jim | so this business of mixing could cause problems |
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| 09:59.49 | ratrace | brutser: ~/.xsessionrc is better, as xinitrc is only for xinit (startx) |
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| 10:00.17 | brutser | ratrace: ok and how can i have it run only once? |
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| 10:01.58 | ratrace | brutser: separte what you want run once into a script, then in .xsessionrc [ -f /path/to/that/script ] && <execute it> [ -f /path/to/that/script ] && rm /path/to/that/script |
| 10:02.27 | brutser | ok |
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| 10:09.35 | NetTerminalGene | do you guys experiencing evince takes a lot time to open pdf files that have pictures? (buster) |
| 10:09.56 | NetTerminalGene | and it consumes %100 cpu while waiting |
| 10:10.00 | NetTerminalGene | to open |
| 10:10.52 | NetTerminalGene | example: https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Brave-2020-DPA-Report.pdf |
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| 10:15.13 | x0n | cyveris: I did actually have metasploit installed at one point. just in case you care :D |
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| 10:19.34 | shtrb | using rsyslog 8.1901 (debian stable ) , how do I properly use properties to select messages from something which arrive from a different server , I tried http://paste.debian.net/1144504/ (my rsyslog.conf accept traffic over UDP with imudp) but logs from other machines are still written into the general log file. |
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| 10:31.12 | cyveris | x0n: I have metasploit installed most of the time. :P |
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| 10:45.32 | trek00 | shtrb: may be this help? https://www.tecmint.com/install-rsyslog-centralized-logging-in-centos-ubuntu/ |
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| 10:48.05 | shtrb | trek00, thanks ! it will stop (I think) but I wish to use the variables (such code will also take localhost messages into it's own folder which I do not wish to do ) |
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| 10:48.52 | trek00 | shtrb: is your issue about the client or the server? |
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| 10:49.39 | shtrb | server side , I get the logs , I just wish to have remote messages in their own folder and not in the general logs (but not to change the local logs on the server in any way ) |
| 10:50.09 | shtrb | I was working with https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/properties.html to get that varibale |
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| 10:52.59 | brutser | i got some .xsession-errors: https://bpaste.net/5XUQ < can someone please help me with them to determine which are critical to fix ?? |
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| 11:03.56 | tomreyn | brutser: syntax errors (line 43) usually are something you should fix first of all. it's also easy most of the time. |
| 11:04.15 | brutser | tomreyn: ok let me start with that then |
| 11:05.07 | brutser | ah yes, that is because the conky config file is in old format i need to convert that to the new format |
| 11:05.16 | tomreyn | brutser: notify-send (line 55) is an on-screen notification utility. you're possibly missing a relevant message there because it's not installed |
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| 11:05.47 | brutser | tomreyn: would i need to install some notification like xfce4-notifyd or what is best to use with openbox? |
| 11:06.28 | tomreyn | i'm not so familiar with openboc, which graphical toolkit does it use? |
| 11:06.34 | tomreyn | *openbox |
| 11:06.39 | tomreyn | gtk3 yet? |
| 11:06.43 | trek00 | it's own |
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| 11:07.20 | brutser | notify-send actually needs libnotify-bin |
| 11:07.33 | tomreyn | well you'll need some software providing a "notify-send" command |
| 11:07.54 | brutser | ok |
| 11:08.11 | brutser | trek00: you know any that is good to use with openbox? the xfce4 one i wrote? |
| 11:08.20 | tomreyn | libnotify-bin will be the best + easiest option |
| 11:08.35 | brutser | ok |
| 11:09.14 | tomreyn | pnmixer fails to detect the volume range of your default audio playback device |
| 11:09.53 | brutser | tomreyn: this is run in virtual machine, so let me get that installed on a laptop to see what xsession errors i get there |
| 11:11.00 | tomreyn | lines 82 and 85 point out more syntax errors |
| 11:11.59 | tomreyn | i think that's it |
| 11:12.03 | brutser | yes they should be easy to fix |
| 11:12.25 | brutser | tomreyn: ok |
| 11:12.51 | brutser | let me try some fixes and then do a re-run on laptop |
| 11:12.55 | brutser | thanks so far |
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| 11:24.47 | Thete | Is there anything people normally recommend to install on debian for better temperature/fan control on laptops? |
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| 11:30.53 | knob | Hello. How can I recall a command yet not run it? Say $1998 yet not run the command? Just place it in the command line? |
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| 11:33.14 | SwedeMike | knob: what do you want to do with it afterwards? |
| 11:33.51 | knob | SwedeMike, modify it. |
| 11:34.09 | knob | So, ideally run !1993-recall-command.... then hit up arrow and modify it for running. |
| 11:34.28 | SwedeMike | knob: have you looked into the "history" command? |
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| 11:34.33 | knob | o/ good morning btw SwedeMike ! |
| 11:34.40 | f8e4 | i get weird stuff sshd[5175]: Invalid user admin from 51.15.118.15 port 55858 in my journal |
| 11:34.42 | knob | SwedeMike, haven't read the man page. Lemme check. |
| 11:34.47 | f8e4 | are they trying to break in? |
| 11:35.12 | f8e4 | how to prevent these junks from trying connects? |
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| 11:36.02 | tomreyn | find out where they live and disconnect their internet |
| 11:36.11 | tomreyn | most of the time they'll live in a data center, though |
| 11:36.40 | knob | f8e4, have you looked into iptables? Or, based on iptables, uncomplicated firewall? |
| 11:36.51 | knob | You could drop all the incoming packaets from xyz IP |
| 11:37.19 | tomreyn | or better, just allow those you need to allow |
| 11:37.57 | knob | ^^ that's better. I've always been scared of that because I don't have a static IP. I have residential ISP service. |
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| 11:38.10 | knob | Yet I do setup ssh-keys, and disable password login. |
| 11:39.06 | cyveris | or just accept that systems on the internet are going to get harassed, and yeah. disable passwords (or use 2fa) and use keys. |
| 11:39.36 | cyveris | I use keys and have a 2fa option sitting aside. |
| 11:40.17 | tomreyn | ḿaking ssh listen on a different port can reduce the noise |
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| 11:41.23 | simplicius | I've installed this with apt install chocolate-doom |
| 11:41.48 | simplicius | but it seems to be corrupted I cannot see the bar at the bottom of the screen when playing |
| 11:41.52 | knob | tomreyn, wow, that's the best way I've seen it described. Because usually, if one mentions to change the port, people start screaming that it's not security. Yet "reduce the noise" is a good way to describe it. I like it. |
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| 11:42.21 | knob | simplicius, but does it actually run? |
| 11:42.45 | cyveris | knob: When people talk about changing the port, they're usually presenting it as a security measure. You're right, it's not. But can it reduce log volumes? Absolutely. |
| 11:43.11 | simplicius | yes it run but they told me "there's either something else wrong in your environment or your binary" |
| 11:43.14 | knob | cyveris, exactly. That reduction is probably worth it. |
| 11:44.15 | cyveris | knob: For most people, yeah. I'm a weirdo - I send spurious auth data and IDS events to my employer's SOC. They use it for training for new analysts. |
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| 11:45.08 | knob | cyveris, ahh... my next-door neighbor works with similar stuff in a health-care company. |
| 11:45.19 | cyveris | knob: Finance, here. |
| 11:45.19 | knob | I rather stay in the software development side of things. |
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| 11:52.07 | shtrb | anyone for rsyslog ? |
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| 12:05.01 | f8e4 | knob me too only dynamic isp ip :(, its mostly asian stuff, wonder if my isp got some top level i can exlusively include |
| 12:05.06 | f8e4 | but even than on travel :( |
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| 12:18.56 | Exagone313 | Hi, it seems debian buster kernel doesn't have CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB enabled, which is required for an app I want to use (cilium in kubernetes). Are you aware of a custom kernel having that config, or do I need to build a kernel manually (which wouldn't be nice to automate)? Thanks for your help. |
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| 12:28.12 | brutser | hi, i install the following for audio: sudo apt install --no-install-recommends -y pulseaudio pnmixer pavucontrol << but pnmixer is giving some issues, what are good alternatives? |
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| 12:49.08 | Unit193 | ohnx: ssh-audit maintainer poked, new version just uploaded. |
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| 13:11.11 | trek00 | Exagone313: you just download the kernel version you like (the same of debian for example), copy then modify the config and compile with make deb-pkg to create a nice debian package |
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| 13:12.21 | trek00 | Exagone313: or follow this guide to recompile the official debian kernel https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official |
| 13:13.42 | jaakkos | networkd seems to remember interface Name= assigned from .link files after reboot, even if those files are long gones. How does it remember them? I'd like to get back to original persistent network names |
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| 13:16.12 | trek00 | shtrb: may be you can add & stop to your remotestore: :omusrmsg:source, !isequal, $myhostname -?RemoteStore & stop |
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| 13:18.58 | shtrb | tried , did not work (it does not seem to match ) |
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| 13:19.26 | trek00 | shtrb: may be check this answer https://serverfault.com/a/865833 |
| 13:19.56 | trek00 | shrysr: using the if-then construct instead of old style syslog filtering |
| 13:20.10 | shtrb | sounds good , thanks |
| 13:20.37 | shtrb | *I was trying to avoid such code |
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| 13:21.52 | trek00 | shrysr: or just remove the :omusrmsg tag |
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| 13:22.16 | trek00 | shtrb: or just remove the :omusrmsg tag |
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| 13:24.21 | shtrb | trek00, such case throw an error http://paste.debian.net/1144536/ |
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| 13:29.57 | trek00 | shtrb: try with the if-then, as the documentation says: rsyslog v7+ does no longer support BSD-style blocks for technical reasons. So it is strongly recommended not to use them. |
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| 13:30.18 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 13:46.54 | shtrb | trek00, It seems that I didn't read correctly the documenation for the compare operator , the doc says "Compares the âvalueâ string provided and the property contents. These two values must be exactly equal to match. The difference to contains is that contains searches for the value anywhere inside the property value, whereas all characters must be identical for isequal. As such, isequal is most useful for fields like syslogtag or FROMHOST, wh |
| 13:46.55 | shtrb | ere you probably know the exact contents." but I used a property ! |
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| 13:49.21 | Exagone313 | trek00: thanks I'll guess I'll build kernel, software in question may not be easy to patch. after installing built packages, do I need to hold kernel packages to make sure these aren't replaced by repo packages? |
| 13:49.30 | Exagone313 | I guess* |
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| 13:50.59 | trek00 | shtrb: yes may be this variable/old style filtering does not work |
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| 13:51.54 | trek00 | Exagone313: if it's the same 4.19 version of stable, i guess you need to hold it |
| 13:52.18 | Exagone313 | ok |
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| 14:41.00 | fenris | debian 10.3 will be updated if you use i386? |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | updated in what sense? |
| 14:41.27 | fenris | for 10.04 |
| 14:41.33 | abrotman | why wouldn't it be? |
| 14:41.43 | fenris | not sure if will be for 11 |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | that's not quite the same |
| 14:42.11 | fenris | ok |
| 14:42.16 | fenris | then the 1st |
| 14:42.26 | fenris | i assume that a yes |
| 14:42.28 | fenris | :-) |
| 14:42.45 | mason | fenris: You might be thinking of this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html |
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| 14:42.55 | fenris | checking |
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| 14:43.11 | mason | I've not heard anything about dropping i386 entirely. |
| 14:43.29 | annadane | yeah, i386 is definitely staying for deb 11 |
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| 14:43.57 | annadane | it's not quite NetBSD levels but debian's fairly good at supporting hardware |
| 14:44.06 | fenris | excellent thanks, annadane i use it for recompile a old code and relaunch in 64 with lib6-i386 .deb |
| 14:44.34 | fenris | libc6-i386 |
| 14:44.51 | abrotman | if you're bored, /msg dpkg elks |
| 14:45.26 | fenris | i just have inxi installed and apt says isnt thats all my only problem so yes i'll poke dpkg |
| 14:46.20 | fenris | wow my first box was 8086 and the second 80286 (IBM PS1) |
| 14:46.30 | fenris | i was like 8 |
| 14:47.10 | mason | TMS9900, then Z80 here |
| 14:47.20 | mason | elks isn't going quite that far back |
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| 15:26.22 | zodd | I am trying to cast to a chromecast device from a Buster laptop. Regardless of fw settings or even fw off the caster (starting with the easiest: chromium) the device (TV) is never found. A windows laptop has no issues; same for android phones |
| 15:26.37 | zodd | am I missing a kernel module or ... ? |
| 15:28.06 | zodd | mdns-scan can find the TV. catt cannot. mkchromecast cannot |
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| 15:29.10 | zodd | the fw setting are based on: https://blog.g3rt.nl/allow-google-chromecast-host-firewall-iptables.html |
| 15:29.24 | zodd | with fw on mdns-scan can find the tv |
| 15:30.10 | zodd | I also tried win10 in a vm (kvm) but that also gives no devices found regardless of the fw state |
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| 15:53.11 | epsilonKNOT | yo |
| 15:53.40 | dd10 | hi |
| 15:53.52 | epsilonKNOT | anyone here can help a tiny bit with armbian installation? |
| 15:54.03 | epsilonKNOT | we want to dd the image but its not working out |
| 15:54.24 | abrotman | that's what #armbian is for |
| 15:54.42 | epsilonKNOT | things are a bit slow there :( |
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| 15:55.05 | epsilonKNOT | did ask there, just thought might be good to ask hereas well :P |
| 15:55.07 | epsilonKNOT | is k |
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| 15:58.53 | trek00 | epsilonKNOT: just ask, may be someone will reply even if it's not debian |
| 16:00.29 | annadane | or ##linux, but generally, people on irc lurk, so you should probably just wait for an answer in #armbian, cross-posting isn't a great habit to get into |
| 16:00.37 | annadane | unless i guess you need an answer *now* |
| 16:00.44 | abrotman | and it's OT here |
| 16:02.12 | epsilonKNOT | nah, not in too much of hurry |
| 16:02.29 | epsilonKNOT | we used dd like so: dd if=armbian...img of=/dev/mmcblk0 status=progress |
| 16:02.44 | epsilonKNOT | but then when we screened using screen 1500000 |
| 16:02.53 | epsilonKNOT | it just showed some weird symbols |
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| 16:03.37 | annadane | i'd say wait, or repost your question in #armbian after a suitable amount of time |
| 16:03.39 | trek00 | epsilonKNOT: try without status=progress |
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| 16:17.51 | vlt | Hello. How can I predict the name of the first eth device to prepare /etc/network/interfaces? On one machine I got "enp1s0", on another "ens3" ... |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | vlt: same driver |
| 16:18.18 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:22.20 | sney | vlt: network interface names can be controlled with systemd.link files as documented here https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.net-naming-scheme.html |
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| 16:24.03 | warsoul | version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.4, need 8.5 |
| 16:24.11 | warsoul | how do i check the tcl version i have |
| 16:24.21 | vlt | abrotman: I got enp1s0 on "Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection" (e1000e) and ens3 for a (virtual) "e1000" driver "Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller". |
| 16:24.33 | vlt | sney: Thank you. |
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| 16:25.10 | trek00 | vlt: may be this help? https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-disable-predictable-network-interface-device-names-in-centos-rhel-7/ |
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| 16:25.44 | trek00 | warsoul: dpkg -l | grep tcl |
| 16:26.51 | vlt | trek00: I'll have a look at it (though it seems I'd have to predict the MAC address then). |
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| 16:28.20 | warsoul | trek00 version are 8.5 & 8.6 |
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| 16:28.28 | warsoul | why im getting this error |
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| 16:28.41 | warsoul | saying that i have 8.4 |
| 16:28.45 | trek00 | vlt: just put net.ifnames=0 and the network card will get eth0 |
| 16:29.13 | trek00 | warsoul: may be the software installed it's own tcl version? |
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| 16:29.37 | amprxc | Hello, I'm using debian 10. I'm trying to hide the output in the terminal when I execute this command (from my script) : timeout "$_deauth_time_in_sec" aireplay-ng -0 0 -a $_bssid -c $_station_to_deauth $_interface_name & > /dev/null 2>&1. But I still see the deauth messages. How can I hide its ? Thanks |
| 16:29.56 | warsoul | trek00 is a tcl for a eggdrop |
| 16:30.34 | trek00 | amprxc: put the & sign after the redirection |
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| 16:31.19 | trek00 | warsoul: the official eggdrop debian package? |
| 16:31.26 | warsoul | yes |
| 16:31.49 | amprxc | trek00 thanks ! |
| 16:33.03 | trek00 | warsoul: may be an addon script to eggdrop? if not you could fill a bug report, but it's seems strange to me |
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| 16:33.16 | trek00 | amprxc: :) |
| 16:35.56 | LtL | warsoul: do yourself a favor, the eggdrop from debian is old. Download and compile the latest from eggheads.org |
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| 16:39.37 | LtL | warsoul: note, you may have to specify locations of two tcl files when compiling. It doesn't always find them, use 'find' to locate them and the syntax to use when using ./configure .. it will tell you the syntax, very easy. |
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| 16:45.58 | warsoul | LtL download the newest eggdrop version |
| 16:46.03 | warsoul | still having this tcl error |
| 16:46.35 | LtL | warsoul: tcl error when you do what exactly, during install? |
| 16:47.27 | trek00 | warsoul: try to type: echo 'puts $tcl_version;exit 0' | tclsh |
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| 16:47.55 | warsoul | LtL when i type ./eggdrop -m eggdrop.conf i get this error |
| 16:48.03 | warsoul | Tcl error in file 'eggdrop.conf': |
| 16:48.03 | warsoul | version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.4, need 8.5 |
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| 16:49.01 | fenris | get tcl 8.5.0 |
| 16:49.04 | LtL | warsoul: so install 8.5 |
| 16:49.10 | warsoul | echo 'puts $tcl_version;exit 0' | tclsh |
| 16:49.10 | warsoul | 8.6 |
| 16:49.19 | fenris | at least ^ |
| 16:49.21 | LtL | 8.6 is the latest |
| 16:49.41 | fenris | yes but eggdrops do magically perfect function with 8.5.0 in special |
| 16:50.15 | warsoul | ok so how i downgrade to 8.5 version |
| 16:50.16 | warsoul | ? |
| 16:50.22 | fenris | so the problem is that old version its in sourceforge or ftp... |
| 16:50.29 | fenris | upgrade |
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| 16:50.38 | fenris | goto ftp.tcl.tk |
| 16:50.41 | fenris | try 8.5.0 |
| 16:50.54 | warsoul | how do i install? |
| 16:51.04 | fenris | ./configure ; make ; sudo make install |
| 16:51.10 | LtL | fenris: debian repo tcl works fine |
| 16:51.32 | fenris | LtL, im talking about eggdrops afaik |
| 16:51.40 | fenris | but its ok try 8.6 |
| 16:51.55 | warsoul | the error is saying i have 8.4 |
| 16:51.58 | fenris | if the eggdrop is old, wont compile |
| 16:52.08 | LtL | fenris: me too, but i compile eggdrop, and use debian tcl. |
| 16:52.09 | warsoul | is the newest eggdrop |
| 16:52.38 | fenris | ah then 8.6 is perfectly fine |
| 16:52.48 | fenris | sudo apt-get install libtcl* |
| 16:53.10 | fenris | sudo apt-cache search libtcl* ; then try one (best option) |
| 16:53.15 | LtL | warsoul: eggdrop-1.8.4 is newest, tcl 8.6 is debian newest |
| 16:53.17 | trek00 | fenris: it's already installed |
| 16:53.35 | fenris | sudo rm /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.4* |
| 16:54.53 | fenris | look i have something like this ; /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so |
| 16:55.19 | fenris | then you should do to /usr/lib/%ARCH%/libtcl8.4.so |
| 16:55.49 | warsoul | done |
| 16:55.53 | fenris | try again! |
| 16:55.55 | warsoul | remove the libtcl8.4* |
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| 16:56.06 | fenris | now your bot should not show that error |
| 16:56.42 | fenris | and autoget the 8.6 |
| 16:56.48 | warsoul | can't find package dict |
| 16:56.48 | warsoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.48 | warsoul | "package require dict" |
| 16:57.01 | fenris | looks like a conf error |
| 16:57.05 | warsoul | invoked from within |
| 16:57.05 | warsoul | "if {$::tcl_version < 8.5} { |
| 16:57.06 | warsoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.06 | warsoul | }" |
| 16:57.27 | fenris | use ./configure |
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| 16:58.00 | fenris | sudo updatedb ; sudo locate libtcl8.6.so ; sudo cp libtcl8.6.so /usr/lib/%ARCH%/libtcl8.6.so |
| 16:58.22 | warsoul | ./configure the eggdrop again? |
| 16:58.22 | fenris | replace %ARCH% for your architecture |
| 16:58.26 | fenris | yeah? |
| 16:58.44 | fenris | try the 2nd |
| 16:58.58 | warsoul | you mean arch for Debian? |
| 16:58.59 | fenris | like the file you erased just copy libtcl8.6.so |
| 16:59.04 | LtL | warsoul: also apt install dict |
| 16:59.09 | fenris | in the same path, folder |
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| 16:59.42 | warsoul | sudo rm /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.4* |
| 16:59.45 | warsoul | i erase this |
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| 17:01.15 | warsoul | fenris /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so |
| 17:01.19 | warsoul | mine is here |
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| 17:03.01 | warsoul | fenris |
| 17:03.21 | warsoul | i stayed on sudo locate libtcl8.6.so |
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| 17:04.15 | trek00 | warsoul: try to compile the latest version of eggdrop now |
| 17:04.52 | trek00 | warsoul: after installing dict package as LtL said |
| 17:09.31 | fenris | warsoul, sudo mv /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.4.so |
| 17:09.45 | fenris | or cp instead of mv |
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| 17:09.57 | sney | or ln -s |
| 17:10.03 | fenris | also ^^ |
| 17:10.17 | fenris | much more clean |
| 17:10.30 | trek00 | fenris: you are breaking the debian installation with that |
| 17:10.41 | fenris | just copying no |
| 17:10.53 | fenris | sudo cp /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.4.so |
| 17:10.58 | fenris | so that doesnt break |
| 17:11.08 | trek00 | fenris: it will not get updates and it will not be removed on apt remove |
| 17:11.08 | fenris | sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.6.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtcl8.4.so |
| 17:11.26 | fenris | hmmm then dont do that |
| 17:11.31 | fenris | tbh i use tcl 8.0.5 |
| 17:11.55 | fenris | want a nice script for configure eggdrop warsoul ? |
| 17:12.04 | fenris | i can paste |
| 17:12.44 | fenris | it will work :-) |
| 17:14.26 | fenris | https://termbin.com/bjbs |
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| 17:14.28 | fenris | try this |
| 17:14.31 | fenris | Makefile |
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| 17:16.26 | fenris | echo #define HAVE_TCL_FREE > config.h |
| 17:16.39 | fenris | also if you wanrt the configure script ask me again |
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| 18:45.19 | Henry151 | hey guys |
| 18:45.42 | Henry151 | my dad's macbook, trying to run debian live from a usb drive, can't see his network hardware/there's no wifi |
| 18:46.29 | sney | missing firmware for the wifi card |
| 18:46.30 | sney | !firmware live |
| 18:46.31 | dpkg | Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 10 "Buster" as a live OS are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ . See also <firmware images>. |
| 18:46.36 | sponix | Henry151: if you haven't already -- might try the "non-free" it has firmware/drivers not included in the regular installer |
| 18:46.39 | Henry151 | it's broadcom bcm43xx stuff so i installed firmware-b43-installer |
| 18:47.04 | sney | b43 is a mess and can be a pain to get working manually. I think the firmware live iso would be a quicker approach |
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| 18:47.08 | Henry151 | so, it has good persistence set up, i can install things and they persist through reboots |
| 18:47.19 | Henry151 | and i have spent a while custom-crafting it |
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| 18:47.25 | Henry151 | so i don't really want to start from a blank one again |
| 18:47.47 | Henry151 | anything other than firmware-b43-installer that i might try that might work? |
| 18:47.53 | sney | !b43 |
| 18:47.54 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 18:48.03 | sney | the wiki page should list a few options |
| 18:48.58 | Henry151 | thank you. |
| 18:49.35 | Henry151 | and, side question, if i install a firmware package, is there any way to get debian to "see" it, without rebooting? |
| 18:49.51 | sney | reload the module in question |
| 18:49.56 | Henry151 | like, from the wiki i see there is b43legacy and so i just installed that, do i have to reboot to see if it worked? |
| 18:49.59 | Henry151 | oh |
| 18:50.01 | Henry151 | ok |
| 18:50.09 | sney | so for b43 you would do 'modprobe -r b43;modprobe b43' |
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| 18:58.27 | Henry151 | hmm... nothin workin |
| 18:58.40 | Henry151 | i seem to have all the various packages related to b43 installed |
| 18:59.51 | trek00 | Henry151: what says about modules this command? lspci -k |
| 19:02.15 | Henry151 | https://termbin.com/ajew |
| 19:02.27 | Henry151 | sorry took me a second to figure out how to copy and paste |
| 19:02.33 | Henry151 | because i am on his macbook now |
| 19:02.47 | Henry151 | i got internet by using a usb tethering connection with my phone |
| 19:02.54 | Henry151 | only internet method i could figure out that works |
| 19:03.32 | Henry151 | so it's a BCM4360 |
| 19:03.48 | trek00 | Henry151: try with lspci -nnn -s 02:00 |
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| 19:05.59 | Henry151 | trek00: yeah it's https://termbin.com/0tns |
| 19:06.49 | trek00 | Henry151: well you should install this package instead of b43*: broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 19:07.20 | trek00 | Henry151: see that guide https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:07.33 | Henry151 | ok! awesome, that is one that i do not have installed, i will try immediately |
| 19:08.18 | Henry151 | than i would modprobe for broadcom-sta-dkms, not for b43 after? |
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| 19:08.52 | trek00 | Henry151: modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma; modprobe wl |
| 19:08.57 | Henry151 | or for wl |
| 19:09.01 | Henry151 | ok |
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| 19:13.53 | Henry151 | hey it worked! |
| 19:13.55 | Henry151 | thank you so much! |
| 19:14.02 | trek00 | Henry151: good! :) |
| 19:14.04 | Henry151 | really appreciate it. I <3 #debian |
| 19:14.24 | trek00 | Henry151: uninstall the others b43 to avoid conflicts |
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| 19:39.38 | rozenglass | f8e4: totally possible if it's a public instance. The internet is a hostile place, tons of bots are roaming the internet all the time trying to catch easy pray, someone who might have a username of "admin" and a password of 1234 or something. |
| 19:40.09 | rozenglass | sorry, didn't notice I was replying to a very old message |
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| 19:42.55 | rozenglass | Generally, I think it is recommend to use fail2ban to automatically block IPs doing too many bad ssh login attempts, and disable password login and use an ssh key instead |
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| 19:44.14 | sney | vps providers often offer a configurable firewall that sits outside the vm, so you can limit the ip range that ssh is even allowed from |
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| 20:02.59 | ectospasm | I just use hosts.allow to allow my ISP subnets, and hosts.deny to block everything else. |
| 20:03.29 | ectospasm | Actually, I use my ISP's subdomain, not a list of IP subnets. |
| 20:03.34 | karlpinc | Don't allow password authentication. Problem solved. |
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| 20:25.38 | Exagone313 | Hi, I followed https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html and random mailing list posts to rebuild debian kernel with added config I need. The issue is that it didn't build the "common" package which is required by the kernel headers package. That link says that with `fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_amd64_<flavour>_real` it builds the "linux-headers-version-common binary package" but this is not the case. How |
| 20:25.38 | Exagone313 | can I build the "common" package? Thanks for your help. PS: Since this might sound like an XY problem, my issue is that I need a kernel with `CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB=y` which is not set in debian kernel. |
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| 20:27.49 | Exagone313 | as a last resort, I'll build upstream kernel "normally" without build a debian package (I just hope I can use debian's config file I got instead of fiddling with make menuconfig) :/ |
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| 20:31.25 | Exagone313 | also, I need kernel headers to build module using wireguard-dkms, I seriously hope this can be done, or I need to rebuild kernel with upstream patch :/ |
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| 20:33.08 | sponix | Exagone313: check backports, I think there is 5.6.7 in there that should have wireguard support built in |
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| 20:33.37 | sponix | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:33.38 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u3; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u4; buster-backports: 5.4.19-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.5.17-1; sid: 5.6.7-1 |
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| 20:34.07 | sponix | hmm, maybe I was wrong |
| 20:34.18 | Exagone313 | sponix: it doesn't have CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB=y |
| 20:34.34 | sponix | Exagone313: oh |
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| 20:34.50 | Exagone313 | unless they added the config on more recent kernel, didn't actually check |
| 20:35.09 | Exagone313 | only checked in what apt source linux gave me |
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| 20:37.49 | sponix | Exagone313: I'm not familiar with what you are trying to do. But I would recommend bringing down the sid source and seeing if that options does it for you |
| 20:39.03 | Exagone313 | I think I need someone that do kernel builds using debian build system (debian/rules.gen) |
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| 20:39.26 | sponix | Exagone313: I followed this to build rtorrent from sid |
| 20:39.27 | sponix | !ssb |
| 20:39.28 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 20:39.45 | sponix | Exagone313: not 100% sure it will work on a kernel, but worth a shot IMHO |
| 20:40.12 | Exagone313 | since I need to fiddle with config files in the source it's not that easy |
| 20:41.21 | Exagone313 | debian testing kernel got: # CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB is not set |
| 20:42.33 | Exagone313 | same for sid |
| 20:43.42 | Exagone313 | I'm going to build kernel from upstream source :/ |
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| 20:44.42 | sponix | Exagone313: what does that specific config option do ? |
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| 20:46.10 | Exagone313 | sponix: it's required by some kubernetes-related software I want to use. on another new machine I used ubuntu and it got that config, but I can't easily reinstall that one which is "stuck" with debian (although I'd prefer to use debian everywhere) |
| 20:47.14 | Exagone313 | I don't know the specific details, but I know that it adds support for huge tables for cgroups |
| 20:47.43 | sponix | Exagone313: well there is a 5.6.7 "Liquorix" kernel as an option, not sure if it has what you need either though |
| 20:48.16 | Exagone313 | using a 3rd party kernel that provides updates would be nice indeed |
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| 20:49.05 | sponix | I am limited to 5.4 due to ZFS support. But I have heard several LMDE users do that kernel with good stories |
| 20:49.33 | Exagone313 | going to download their deb, if they got that config I use it |
| 20:49.41 | trek00 | Exagone313: if you want to build from upstream source, use make deb-pkg |
| 20:51.51 | Exagone313 | boot/config-5.6.0-10.1-liquorix-amd64:CONFIG_CGROUP_HUGETLB=y |
| 20:52.04 | Exagone313 | sponix: thanks I couldn't find custom kernels with my search queries |
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| 20:53.49 | sponix | Exagone313: okay... Well glad you found something that can work for your needs. That branch stays really current with updates |
| 20:56.27 | Exagone313 | sponix: you save my night :P |
| 20:57.03 | sponix | Exagone313: I'm just learning Debian myself. But tend to get lucky every now and then |
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| 20:58.50 | trek00 | Exagone313: have you tried with: fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_amd64_none_real |
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| 20:59.18 | trek00 | Exagone313: just to make the common package as outlined in chapter 4.2.5 |
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| 20:59.26 | Exagone313 | yes I did |
| 20:59.36 | Exagone313 | it didn't build more deb that without _real |
| 20:59.45 | Exagone313 | than* |
| 20:59.55 | trek00 | Exagone313: with none as featureset? |
| 21:00.16 | Exagone313 | yes, but I had to create a new "flavour" because I had ABI errors |
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| 21:00.35 | trek00 | oh well i don't know then |
| 21:00.57 | Exagone313 | I don't want to use a mailing list to find out the issue xD |
| 21:01.08 | trek00 | :) |
| 21:01.47 | Exagone313 | the only time I used a mailing list was for asking a specific curl question, and in one day I received so many mails that I just unregistered and gave up |
| 21:02.20 | Exagone313 | I guess you can configure to only receive replies to your threads but well, I was young |
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| 21:06.13 | Exagone313 | Now I have another little issue. That setup is for a weird server where I can't configure the bootloader, it actually loads the hosting provider's kernel, BUT by chance supports kexec on boot, which I use to load a local kernel. The issue is that I need a stable path to vmlinuz and initrd, I don't want to have to maintain a symlink manually. Is there a way to add a postinst hook that will create that symlink? I found that there is a "linux-update-symlinks |
| 21:06.13 | Exagone313 | " tool that exists, but I just miss the hook that calls it. :) |
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| 21:07.27 | Exagone313 | for now I just copy the files to make sure I always have a kernel if I reboot, but this is not a safe choice |
| 21:07.39 | sponix | Exagone313: you are getting further out of my league. Might have to see if sney or others can chime in on that |
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| 21:11.37 | Exagone313 | well it's a shell script so I should just read it, the man page is not helpful |
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| 21:11.43 | Exagone313 | perl script* |
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| 21:17.08 | Exagone313 | in fact it's already run to create symlinks /vmlinuz and /initrd.img |
| 21:17.17 | Exagone313 | I was expecting files in /boot |
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| 22:45.13 | vlt | Hello. What is the corrext syntax on Debian 10 to allow a single IP address in nbd-server's authfile? The man page says "one line per IP-address" and "nbd-server will only allow clients to connect whose IP-adres [sic!] is listed in this file". I put a single "192.168.1.6" there but get "Client '192.168.1.6' is not authorized to access" :-| Any idea? |
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| 22:49.54 | lwp | vlt, did you signal or restart the server, so it re-reads that authfile ? |
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| 22:50.33 | vlt | lwp: Yes. |
| 22:51.44 | vlt | lwp: Deleting the "authfile" line from the config and restarting makes it work, but for everyone: "No authorization file, granting access." |
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| 22:55.20 | dob1 | I don't have a gps but what I need to install to get my position acquired by the browser? it can use wifi right? |
| 22:55.58 | dob1 | it will be not accurated for sure but now it gives no response |
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| 22:57.06 | dob1 | I ask because I have a windows pc, without gps too, and here the position is acquired so there will be a way even without gps |
| 22:58.53 | vlt | dob1: I canât follow. |
| 22:59.40 | vlt | dob1: Maybe your brwoser is linked to your GPS phone. |
| 23:00.02 | vlt | dob1: Via Google, for example. |
| 23:01.58 | dob1 | vlt, I am not sure about this |
| 23:03.16 | dob1 | vlt, try this https://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_geolocation.asp |
| 23:04.28 | dob1 | with firefox it works, but it's very inaccurate. with chromium it doesn't work |
| 23:05.34 | tomreyn | dob1: so are you *trying* to have something on your computer guess your approximate location, or trying to *prevent* it from happening? |
| 23:06.18 | dob1 | tomreyn, I am testing a webapp that works with geolocation |
| 23:07.30 | dob1 | on debian it's, or very inaccurate or it doesn't work. I can assume this is a browser related issue but I was thinking if something is missing in my installation |
| 23:08.00 | tomreyn | a remotely hosted web application will only be able to guess it based on your WAN ip address, or by guessing your approximate location within the network topology by checking latencies to multiple locations via javascript |
| 23:08.55 | dob1 | tomreyn, it is using Geolocation API, and that's ok but why on windows is so accurate? |
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| 23:09.05 | lwp | vlt, the only guess I can offer, is that maybe they want you to write 192.168.1.6/32 |
| 23:09.28 | vlt | lwp: I will try that. |
| 23:09.54 | tomreyn | dob1: i would guess thatr on windows the OS is happy to share the wireless AP scan results with the web browser, and that is happy to share it with the web site you're visiting. |
| 23:10.05 | tomreyn | but then this is #debian ;) |
| 23:11.04 | tomreyn | you can probably install some software (or write it) on debian that does the same thing if you see a need for it |
| 23:11.13 | TheMaster | Firefox can request you share your location as well. |
| 23:11.40 | dob1 | I agree to share my position where firefox ask about it |
| 23:11.54 | dob1 | but I have both pcs side by side and the results are very very differents |
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| 23:12.39 | vlt | lwp: "client address does not match 2/10: address family mismatch (IPv4 vs IPv6?)" and again "Client '192.168.1.6' is not authorized to access". |
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| 23:16.01 | lwp | vlt: weird error! that was my only guess, sorry |
| 23:16.18 | vlt | lwp: Thank you :-) |
| 23:19.07 | vlt | Same error message for "192.168.1.0/24". |
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| 23:30.09 | sponix | Exagone313: seems building from 5.6.7 source is your method then |
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| 23:31.09 | trek00 | vlt: may be this help? https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/5-nbd-server/ |
| 23:34.56 | trek00 | vlt: sorry, the example on the end |
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| 23:38.28 | vlt | trek00: This is exactly what `man 5 nbd-server` is showing me (including "IP-adres" [sic!]). My config looks the same, even with the same "allow" filename. I have one line "192.168.1.6" (without the indentation from the example) in there. |
| 23:39.08 | trek00 | vlt: try to remove the last endline? it should not be an issue with glibc 2.28 but give it a try https://github.com/NetworkBlockDevice/nbd/commit/6cabf9af2310282ace4208ae6f3f4d874dbf3e88.patch |
| 23:42.11 | vlt | trek00: I added a "127.0.0.1" line. Same result. Then I added a "#" line. Same. Trying to remove \n after my address now. |
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| 23:44.51 | vlt | Having only an 11 byte sized allow file results in that weird "client address does not match 2/10: address family mismatch (IPv4 vs IPv6?)" error again. |
| 23:46.08 | trek00 | vlt: given the types of bugs, it seems authfile is not widely used/tested, may be you can setup iptables rules quickly than trying to figure out |
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| 23:47.38 | vlt | trek00: Yes, Iâll do that (and try to find time to file a bug report). Thank you. |
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